For a natural - no point to eat more than 60g's or protein/day

[ASJChaotic]

Question: Is that what Phil does now or is that what Phil did back in the late 80's and 90's when he got up to his top size? Alot of bodybuilders forget what they did to reach their top size...case in point Nasser....preaching how he only eats 100 grams of protein a day at the end of his career....yet he was right in there with the 400-550 grams group earlier in his career when he was trying to set the standard for muscle mass onstage

did you ever consider the fact that they got smarter?
learned more?
got to know their body better?
Lou Ferrigno only eats 150 grams of protein a day MAXIMUM and he is 275 pounds and huge

have you experimented with with protein intake that is not high?

how could you be so sure? you just go with what Ronnie Coleman does?  

[James Phoenix]

Arnold was a champion bodybuilder and he used many sets;
Dorian was a champion bodybuilder and he used few sets.

Both training techniques are equally effective;

however, they are not equally efficient.

Building muscle is about breaking down tissue.
Often it's the case that guys performing excessive amounts of sets are going through the motions sloppily and at a rapid pace.
It takes them several sets to accomplish the amount of tissue breakdown a Dorian inspired trainer can accomplish in 1.

Nobody will agree with this because selling secret training methods that give an edge over someone is an important part of the 'business'.

And we all know business is about screwing people.

[ASJChaotic]

Im not even going to bother bro, I kind of caught a glimpse of your act on this board already and your reputation precedes you as someone who doesnt have an iota of reality in his reasoning

I'm trying to reason with you, and I'm backing up everything I say unlike almost everybody on these boards that are making 7 figures or are 290 pounds of muscle natural  
what does how I treat them have to do with this discussion?
they deserve what they got coming to them
this thread is about protein intake

[ASJChaotic]

Arnold was a champion bodybuilder and he used many sets;
Dorian was a champion bodybuilder and he used few sets.

Both training techniques are equally effective;

however, they are not equally efficient.

Building muscle is about breaking down tissue.
Often it's the case that guys performing excessive amounts of sets are going through the motions sloppily and at a rapid pace.
It takes them several sets to accomplish the amount of tissue breakdown a Dorian inspired trainer can accomplish in 1.

Nobody will agree with this because selling secret training methods that give an edge over someone is an important part of the 'business'.

And we all know business is about screwing people.

OH YEAH LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THE EDGE 

[James Phoenix]

GO AWAY
we are actually having a scientific discussion here you homo
go back to posting "fag like" pics of yourself on threads and don't give us bullshit
words coming from a homo like you doesn't mean anything
you are the one to talk on "muscle building"? 
skinny emo fag

I am elite level as far as intelligence goes, so everything I say should be taken seriously.
This is not subjective like your post skinny grease man; it's a fact.
I scored consistently in the 96th-97th percentile on national testing in school.

You're a dumb, skinny, greasy asshole, with a dirty ponytail.

[James Phoenix]

You are only bigger in absolute terms.

In terms of relative muscle size you are small.

Now just imagine if I actually worked out more than once a week.

[ASJChaotic]

You are only bigger in absolute terms.

In terms of relative muscle size you are small.

Now just imagine if I actually worked out more than once a week.

I'm sorry am I supposed to see muscle?  
relative and absolute?
emo homo your brain is screwed up

[DOGGCRAPP]

I've been eating a meal once every 3 days for the past 10 years and I could have won the olympia all 10 years if I wanted to, but I had better things going on at the time.  By the way I only hit the gym once a year.

If this was Jeapardy, I would ring the buzzer and say "Who is Mike Mentzer"

[ASJChaotic]

cheer up emo kid 

[James Phoenix]

Also, dipshit,

there is more to bodybuilding than wearing nylon shirts and greasy ponytails while pressing your biceps against your stomach.

Clearly you are delusional, retarded, or playing a joke.

[James Phoenix]

Just imagine if I had more weights than this, and more than a passing interest in bodybuilding.

Did I mention that I work out once a week?

[ASJChaotic]

Also, dipshit,

there is more to bodybuilding than wearing nylon shirts and greasy ponytails while pressing your biceps against your stomach.

Clearly you are delusional, retarded, or playing a joke.

wow you are talking about hair?  
and wearing clothes?  
pressed bicep against stomach?    
you are not a bodybuilder, you're just a homosexual emo

[Earl1972]

do you guys know for a fact that prisoners are jacked or are you just going by what you see in the movies?

also football players definitely eat a lot of protein and calories, right after practice and games there is a large buffet of basically everything from chicken breasts to pizza

they eat a lot because they need to maintain strenght and keep their weight up to deal with the beatings they take, at least that is what some of the steelers said on a local sports talk show

E

[ASJChaotic]

do you guys know for a fact that prisoners are jacked or are you just going by what you see in the movies?

also football players definitely eat a lot of protein and calories, right after practice and games there is a large buffet of basically everything from chicken breasts to pizza

they eat a lot because they need to maintain strenght and keep their weight up to deal with the beatings they take, at least that is what some of the steelers said on a local sports talk show

E

I was discussing this scientifically before this emo jumped in and told people to take more STEROIDS instead of protein
yes it's a fact, go into any prison and you'll see
they have nothing better than to workout all day

 

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

Just imagine if I had more weights than just this, and more than a passing interest in bodybuilding.

Did I mention that I work out once a week?

bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........

[ASJChaotic]

bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........

hahahahaha
I know GIRLS who have never touched weights and have bigger muscles

[James Phoenix]

do you guys know for a fact that prisoners are jacked or are you just going by what you see in the movies?

also football players definitely eat a lot of protein and calories, right after practice and games there is a large buffet of basically everything from chicken breasts to pizza

they eat a lot because they need to maintain strenght and keep their weight up to deal with the beatings they take, at least that is what some of the steelers said on a local sports talk show

E

This doesn't have much to do with aesthetically minded bodybuilders.
Football players are trying to gain muscle and weight, hence the diet of pizza and big macs.
The only thing they share with bodybuilders, diet-wise, is high protein intake.

[James Phoenix]

bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........

Yes, I've seen a lot of big stocky construction worker types bigger than me to.

It's not something I'm trying to emulate, but to each his own.

[ASJChaotic]

This doesn't have much to do with aesthetically minded bodybuilders.
Football players are trying to gain muscle and weight, hence the diet of pizza and big macs.
The only thing they share with bodybuilders, diet-wise, is high protein intake.

maybe those bodybuilders should take "god like" pictures of themselves
while in bed?  
are you also a britney spears fan?  

[ASJChaotic]

Yes, I've seen a lot of big stocky construction worker types bigger than me to.

It's not something I'm trying to emulate, but to each his own.

emo kid
do you think you're ripped to shreds?
you're skinnyfat
thin ....and fat 

[James Phoenix]

maybe those bodybuilders should take "god like" pictures of themselves
while in bed?  
are you also a britney spears fan?  

If I was I'm not anymore.

And that has nothing to do with Chris Crocker.

[wavelength]

As far as protein intake, my experience is that below 0.5g/LBM is too low. Above 1g is (probably more than) sufficient. The sweet spot will be anywhere between those two values depending on the individual.

[Alex23]

this thread =

gayer than taking that cock our of your mouth 'cause the phone rang.

[io856]

Its so funny when nobodies come on getbig to try to justify their lack of self-control and drive.

[Meso_z]

There are two primary types of people that bodybuild:

Casual trainers and competitors.

For someone that is competing at the very highest level of competition, micromanagement of nutrient intake is important.
(The same way water temperature and body suits can break records at Olympic swimming competitions)

For casual trainers it's not necessary to micromanage.
Eat a lot of food with high protein and low fat; train hard and consistently.
To be sure, you will soon develop a respectable set of t-shit muscles.

This keeping track of gram intake per day business is silliness.
One wonders if, this type of personality is looking for a nutritional formulae that will give them an edge,
because of their reluctance to admit inferior genetics for work ethic and muscle.

And if you are a casual (non-competitive) bodybuilder that juices, just increase your dope intake and don't train hard.

stfu queen.