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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on November 24, 2008, 05:54:10 PM
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He's about to be on with Larry Pepe (http://www.bodybuildingradio.com).
Will he show dov and aquiles any love?
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Dr Connelly:
"A calorie is a calorie is nonsense!"
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Dr Connelly:
"A calorie is a calorie is nonsense!"
YES! Go Dr. Connelly!
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Dr Connelly:
"A calorie is a calorie is nonsense!"
Really? No shit? And all this time I thought a 350 calorie snickers bar was the same as a 350 calorie Chicken breast!
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Adam is gonna love the recognition either way.
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Adonis is going to have a meltdown ;D
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Adam is gonna love the recognition either way.
you bet he is not matter how much his theories get shot down. He will be his family's hero after this. I bet Jezzumbelle is going to give him some tonight
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Adam is gonna love the recognition either way.
Unfortunately, he WILL recover. He always comes back for more abuse.
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Really? No shit? And all this time I thought a 350 calorie snickers bar was the same as a 350 calorie Chicken breast!
;D
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Well, we have to look at the reasons he provides. I mean, we do have a reason to believe he has a bias in favor of high protein diets since he sells supplements- so a yay or nay answer won't do.
Hasn't Layne Norton ripped apart this theory anyway?
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Really? No shit? And all this time I thought a 350 calorie snickers bar was the same as a 350 calorie Chicken breast!
;D
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I will take a listen to this if someone can be kind enough to link me. I will also write an article refuting any errors or differences I have with what Scott claims. He may also not have read thoroughly through my principles.
This should be educational for all.
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I hope he knows that I have advocated a calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is NOT a Macro Nutrient the entire time. I think he may be confused a bit.
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I will take a listen to this if someone can be kind enough to link me. I will also write an article refuting any errors or differences I have with what Scott claims. He may also not have read thoroughly through my principles.
This should be educational for all.
Can you please post your formula Adam? I was unable to find it. Thanks
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It doesn't matter. Adonis is too smug to admit he's wrong.
I hate how Adonis always throws out the "a calorie is a calorie, but a macronutrient isn't a macronutrient". If you're gonna say something as radical as "a calorie is a calorie", then it can't have all these exceptions. A calorie obviously isn't a calorie if you're gonna have all these dumbass exceptions.
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Can you please post your formula Adam? I was unable to find it. Thanks
;D
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;D
I am being serious. He commented the other day that he would post if for me.
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I am being serious. He commented the other day that he would post if for me.
I know that's what makes me laugh
he keeps dodging your questions unless you call him out on it ;D
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It doesn't matter. Adonis is too smug to admit he's wrong.
I hate how Adonis always throws out the "a calorie is a calorie, but a macronutrient isn't a macronutrient". If you're gonna say something as radical as "a calorie is a calorie", then it means ANY calorie. A calorie obviously isn't a calorie if you're gonna have all these dumbass exceptions.
Again, why would I state otherwise when it is an undeniable FACT that a calorie is a calorie but a Macro nutrient is not a Macro nutrient.
Scott Connelly is just not familiar at all with the approach. He has been fed a line or two out of context so I do not fault him at all.
I have to listen to the whole thing so I can get an idea of what was told or asked of him. Scott I am sure would agree with me 100 percent had he been given accurate information.
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Is it just me or is this dumb fuck weasling out of the stupid statement hes made. A calorie is a calorie but a macro is not a macro? WTF is that even supposed to mean. You claimed you can eat any food and get big or ripped off of it, never once did u mention that it makes a difference what kind of nutients you take in as long as they are below maintainance.
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HE IS NOT REFUTING ADONIS.. he is refuting the idea.. i dont think he knows who adonis is...
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I am pretty damn sure Adonis once said you could drink nothing but pepsi to meet your caloric needs and you would have the same results
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I am pretty damn sure Adonis once said you could drink nothing but pepsi to meet your caloric needs and you would have the same results
Again, please read the thread Adonis Principles. I have NEVER claimed that would be optimal. I will bump it up for you.
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I am pretty damn sure Adonis once said you could drink nothing but pepsi to meet your caloric needs and you would have the same results
thats what hes been saying all along, yapping about how he eats nothing but mcd and ice cream
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I am being serious. He commented the other day that he would post if for me.
Take the lbs of fat lost during a specific period and multiply that by its caloric value. This will equal the total calories lost in storage for a given time frame.
Take the number of calories eaten per day. You can do an average, but a constant will provide you with incredibly accurate results. Multiply that by the given length of time. This is your total calories from food ingested during this period.
Now take the total calories lost from storage and add them with the total calories that you ingested in the time frame. This is how many calories you have effectually used in the given time period
Now take the total calories burned and divide that by the time period. The longer the time period the more accurate.
Have fun with it.
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I am being serious. He commented the other day that he would post if for me.
I found it easily. From over a year ago. Like I said, it is pretty simple and can be applied in a few different ways. I don`t think I will bother explaining how to apply it to get real time results as the lot of you are easily confused with the most simple of concepts. 8)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160706.msg2259018;topicseen#msg2259018
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Also Note that you have to figure in the amount of water lost per fat gram or lb yourself. I figured it is self-evident, but I am sure it will fly over some.
Also, keep in mind that this is just examining a trend and that the longer the adherence, the more accurate. Virtually the same thing for all statistical and plottable data.
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I found it easily. From over a year ago. Like I said, it is pretty simple and can be applied in a few different ways. I don`t think I will bother explaining how to apply it to get real time results as the lot of you are easily confused with the most simple of concepts. 8)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160706.msg2259018;topicseen#msg2259018
Thanks
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Also Note that you have to figure in the amount of water lost per fat gram or lb yourself. I figured it is self-evident, but I am sure it will fly over some.
Also, keep in mind that this is just examining a trend and that the longer the adherence, the more accurate. Virtually the same thing for all statistical and plottable data.
so please enlighten us as to how much water is lost per gram of fat. As you said some of us arent bright enough.
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I am pretty damn sure Adonis once said you could drink nothing but pepsi to meet your caloric needs and you would have the same results
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0
Learn how to read and comprehend. :)
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well?
I am curious as to how much water one would lose with every gram of fat. Please help.
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The largest component of the body is water. Water makes up between 45 and 75% of body weight, with the variability due primarily to differences in body fat. While most tissues including muscle, skin, and visceral organs are over 70% water, adipose tissue contains less than 10% water. The percentage of body weight that is water therefore varies inversely with body fat. In the average lean adult male around 60% of the body weight is water. The remaining body weight consists of 16-18% fat with 22-24% protein, carbohydrate and other solids. In the female the percentage of body weight that is water is lower due to a relatively greater amount of subcutaneous fat.
Body water is broken down into the following compartments:
Intracellular fluid (2/3 of Body Water)
Extracellular fluid (1/3 of Body Water)
Plasma (1/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Interstitial fluid (4/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Transcellular fluid (normally ignored in calculations)
Contained inside organs, such as the gastrointestinal, cerebrospinal, and ocular fluids.
The simplest calculation is the 60-40-20 rule.
Total Body Water = 60% of Body Weight
Intracellular fluid = 40% of Body Weight
Extracellular fluid = 20% of Body Weight
This is consistent with the above relations between total body water and the compartmental fluids.
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"a calories is a calorie" - no shit...it's a measure of energy. 1 gram of carbohydrate contains the same amount of potential energy in the form of heat if you burned it as a gram of protein.
"a macronutrient is not a macronutrient" - right. How your body metabolizes the macronutrients is all different.
As far as I know, the Adonis principles state that you need to consume the RDA amount of protein per day and the rest of your calories can be from any source. So long as you consume less calories than your body burns, you will lose weight.
I don't have a problem with this theory - we've seen Adonis's results. He got more ripped than most people who eat super strict, tasteless food. The problem with this principle that I have however is the fact that I believe eating like this is deleterious over time for your health. Factors such as very high omega 6:omega 3 ratio and cholesterol intake may contribute to future cardiovascular disease. The key is moderation. Eat your junkfood, but in moderation.
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Dr Connelly:
"A calorie is a calorie is nonsense!"
Thank God.
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Apenis do you think you are as smart as Dr Connelly in regards to diet, supplementation, protein, and nutrition. Also, what kind of college degree do have related in these fields and what kind of actual experience do you have other than reading stuff on the internet and cut & pasting it on here and other boards. Just wondering cause it would really help you if you had anything to support your gibberish.
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As usual great cut and paste job.
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"a calories is a calorie" - no shit...it's a measure of energy. 1 gram of carbohydrate contains the same amount of potential energy in the form of heat if you burned it as a gram of protein.
"a macronutrient is not a macronutrient" - right. How your body metabolizes the macronutrients is all different.
As far as I know, the Adonis principles state that you need to consume the RDA amount of protein per day and the rest of your calories can be from any source. So long as you consume less calories than your body burns, you will lose weight.
I don't have a problem with this theory - we've seen Adonis's results. He got more ripped than most people who eat super strict, tasteless food. The problem with this principle that I have however is the fact that I believe eating like this is deleterious over time for your health. Factors such as very high omega 6:omega 3 ratio and cholesterol intake may contribute to future cardiovascular disease. The key is moderation. Eat your junkfood, but in moderation.
I was with you until the final part of the last paragraph. I never eat the same thing day after day. Why would you assume that food is "good or bad" and that I eat only one certain type of food?
Exit Question: Did you know that 2 slices of Pumpkin Pie contains more Nutrients and Vitamins than a Chicken Breast, Brocolli serving and Oatmeal?
There is your Thanksgiving Fact for the day.
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The largest component of the body is water. Water makes up between 45 and 75% of body weight, with the variability due primarily to differences in body fat. While most tissues including muscle, skin, and visceral organs are over 70% water, adipose tissue contains less than 10% water. The percentage of body weight that is water therefore varies inversely with body fat. In the average lean adult male around 60% of the body weight is water. The remaining body weight consists of 16-18% fat with 22-24% protein, carbohydrate and other solids. In the female the percentage of body weight that is water is lower due to a relatively greater amount of subcutaneous fat.
Body water is broken down into the following compartments:
Intracellular fluid (2/3 of Body Water)
Extracellular fluid (1/3 of Body Water)
Plasma (1/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Interstitial fluid (4/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Transcellular fluid (normally ignored in calculations)
Contained inside organs, such as the gastrointestinal, cerebrospinal, and ocular fluids.
The simplest calculation is the 60-40-20 rule.
Total Body Water = 60% of Body Weight
Intracellular fluid = 40% of Body Weight
Extracellular fluid = 20% of Body Weight
This is consistent with the above relations between total body water and the compartmental fluids.
Regardless of opinions on diet this in itself is good info. I have taken this info into account before when drying people out.
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Exit Question: Did you know that 2 slices of Pumpkin Pie contain more Nutrients and Vitamins than a Chicken Breast, Brocolli serving and Oatmeal?
A lot of cheat food are no where near as bad as they are made out to be. I'm not a "calorie is a calorie" person by any means, but if I cheat eating 1000 calories of vanilla ice cream as opposed to 1000 calories of twinkies, I'm going to feel a lot better eating the ice cream.
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Adonis, 'scott' is a doctor, please refer to him as such.
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A lot of cheat food are no where near as bad as they are made out to be. I'm not a "calorie is a calorie" person by any means, but if I cheat eating 1000 calories of vanilla ice cream as opposed to 1000 calories of twinkies, I'm going to feel a lot better eating the ice cream.
See I wouldn`t label it as a "cheat" food. Doing so is not only misnomer, it is untruthful and disengenuious and continues to spread a myth and further the folklore and meme of acceptable vs. unacceptable daily foods.
Ice Cream as Functional Food:
Question: How can frozen desserts participate in the functional foods trend?
Answer: Ice cream and similar products are inherently good sources of nutrition. They also are good carriers of value-added ingredients including nutrients and nutraceuticals not normally found in frozen desserts. Ice cream can be easily flavored and colored to match virtually any added nutrient and can hold within its structure both particulate and semi-solid inclusions. Fortification can be as simple as adding protein, vitamins, minerals or complex carbohydrate. It can be a bit more complex through the addition of a variety of biologically active "nutraceutical" compounds. In frozen novelty applications, the value-added ingredient could be added topically in the form of a crisp or chip, or with cone novelties, the cone itself can be an effective carrier.
In most cases, the impact of added ingredients on ice cream behavior and properties can be anticipated and managed. For example, the impact on freezing behavior and heat shock stability is directly related to the amount, type and point of addition of ingredient. Background flavors or masking agents can be used to address negative flavor effects. Label statements such as nutrient content claims can be easily engineered into almost any given formula or product. Keep in mind that because many frozen desserts contain air (overrun) and have a relatively small serving size (a half-cup,) the ability to add enough of a given nutrient to achieve any given claim is limited.
From a marketing perspective, there is always the issue of the FDA-required disclosure statement when making health, nutrient content or structure/function claims. Disclosure statements are required when the per reference amount of the food exceeds 13g total fat, 4g saturated fat, 60mg cholesterol or 480mg sodium. Health claims, which relate specific nutrients to migration of specific diseases, are limited and difficult to execute in frozen dairy desserts. Nutrient content claims specifically address the presence, absence or quantity of a specific nutrient. Such claims are realistic in frozen desserts. Structure/function claims relate a specific nutrient to a healthful side benefit. These need to be carefully prepared, supported and designed into the product to adhere to current regulatory requirements.
With all these considerations, frozen desserts most readily adaptable to nutrient fortification and inclusion of nutraceuticals are either low-fat or nonfat ice cream, frozen yogurt, sorbet, sherbet and water ice. With care, these frozen dairy desserts can be used successfully to deliver unique nutritional benefits to consumers beyond the basic nutrition of current products. It's important to remember, though, that frozen dairy desserts are positioned as "fun food" and consumers may have difficulty accepting them as products delivering more than basic nutrition.
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I was with you until the final part of the last paragraph. I never eat the same thing day after day. Why would you assume that food is "good or bad" and that I eat only one certain type of food?
Exit Question: Did you know that 2 slices of Pumpkin Pie contains more Nutrients and Vitamins than a Chicken Breast, Brocolli serving and Oatmeal?
There is your Thanksgiving Fact for the day.
cool I just finished two slices of Enntemans Pumpkin pie and then read your post...this stuff is amazing.
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The largest component of the body is water. Water makes up between 45 and 75% of body weight, with the variability due primarily to differences in body fat. While most tissues including muscle, skin, and visceral organs are over 70% water, adipose tissue contains less than 10% water. The percentage of body weight that is water therefore varies inversely with body fat. In the average lean adult male around 60% of the body weight is water. The remaining body weight consists of 16-18% fat with 22-24% protein, carbohydrate and other solids. In the female the percentage of body weight that is water is lower due to a relatively greater amount of subcutaneous fat.
Body water is broken down into the following compartments:
Intracellular fluid (2/3 of Body Water)
Extracellular fluid (1/3 of Body Water)
Plasma (1/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Interstitial fluid (4/5 of Extracellular fluid)
Transcellular fluid (normally ignored in calculations)
Contained inside organs, such as the gastrointestinal, cerebrospinal, and ocular fluids.
The simplest calculation is the 60-40-20 rule.
Total Body Water = 60% of Body Weight
Intracellular fluid = 40% of Body Weight
Extracellular fluid = 20% of Body Weight
This is consistent with the above relations between total body water and the compartmental fluids.
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meme
noun
a cultural unit (an idea or value or pattern of behavior) that is passed from one person to another by non-genetic means (as by imitation); "memes are the cultural counterpart of genes"
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
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meme philosophy
/meem/ [By analogy with "gene"] Richard Dawkins's term for an idea considered as a replicator, especially with the connotation that memes parasitise people into propagating them much as viruses do.
Memes can be considered the unit of cultural evolution. Ideas can evolve in a way analogous to biological evolution. Some ideas survive better than others; ideas can mutate through, for example, misunderstandings; and two ideas can recombine to produce a new idea involving elements of each parent idea.
The term is used especially in the phrase "meme complex" denoting a group of mutually supporting memes that form an organised belief system, such as a religion. However, "meme" is often misused to mean "meme complex".
Use of the term connotes acceptance of the idea that in humans (and presumably other tool- and language-using sophonts) cultural evolution by selection of adaptive ideas has become more important than biological evolution by selection of hereditary traits. Hackers find this idea congenial for tolerably obvious reasons.
See also memetic algorithm.
[The Jargon File]
(1996-08-11)
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Adam couple of questions. Why do you pick 2000 cals for a cutting diet? Wouldn't it be different for someone who weighs more and has more muscle? Also, I know your views on protein intake, what if someone was getting slightly more than 1 gr per pound, do you feel that is detrimental?
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I'll take 350kcal of premium copper river salmon over 350kcal of refined sugar any day of the week and twice on Sunday
ok
maybe even three times on Sunday
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As usual great cut and paste job.
You can`t post anything but scientific fact. I don`t see how I could have answered this any different or how could anyone for that matter.
Exit Question to you Jame Hetfield: Can you please demonstrate how you would have answered the question and your modus operandi?
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I'll take 350kcal of premium copper river salmon over 350kcal of refined sugar any day of the week and twice on Sunday
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maybe even three times on Sunday
Why would you eat 350 calories of Sugar by itself? Why would anyone?
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cool I just finished two slices of Enntemans Pumpkin pie and then read your post...this stuff is amazing.
Yea I hear ya. If Apenis keeps saying pumpkin pie is better than that other stuff I may change my whole attitude about him ;) ;)
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Why would you eat 350 calories of Sugar by itself? Why would anyone?
a calorie is a calorie (not)
gross daily kcals matter
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Why would you eat 350 calories of Sugar by itself? Why would anyone?
Because "a calorie is a calorie" ::)
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Really? No shit? And all this time I thought a 350 calorie snickers bar was the same as a 350 calorie Chicken breast!
;D ;D Exactly. Someone's trying way too hard to invent a better wheel.
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MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT
I was just using ice cream as an example to help agree with your pumpkin pie statement. Whenever I am trying to put on weight I make my post-workout shakes with ice cream. I cut back the protein powder a little bit though since I'm already getting a lot of dairy, which has protein in it. I purposely avoid the fat and sugar free stuff. I figure if I'm eating ice cream I'm doing this right.
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Yea I hear ya. If Apenis keeps saying pumpkin pie is better than that other stuff I may change my whole attitude about him ;) ;)
I'm going to eat my annual allotment of pumpkin pie in the next 72 hours
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he never said you should eat 350 calories of sugar, he just said that you could if you chose to as long as you met the other nutritional requirements.
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Adam couple of questions. Why do you pick 2000 cals for a cutting diet? Wouldn't it be different for someone who weighs more and has more muscle? Also, I know your views on protein intake, what if someone was getting slightly more than 1 gr per pound, do you feel that is detrimental?
That is easy to answer. That is all he can find on the internet. Any other weight or factors would make it to difficult to just cut & paste.
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he never said you should eat 350 calories of sugar, he just said that you could if you chose to as long as you met the other nutritional requirements.
for most people it would be better to figure out how to pack the most nutrients into the least amount of calories
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Adam couple of questions. Why do you pick 2000 cals for a cutting diet? Wouldn't it be different for someone who weighs more and has more muscle? Also, I know your views on protein intake, what if someone was getting slightly more than 1 gr per pound, do you feel that is detrimental?
1. Well It does depend on the individual certainly. I choose 2000 for the Natural, sedentary bodybuilder which let`s face it, a lot of us are. 2000 is not set in stone by any means it is just what I use personally as I am Natural and Sedentary for the most part. Also, 2000 is a perfect starting/ending point for Naturals which will not be detrimental. Naturals usually have to bring their diets to about 2000 eventually to get really ripped. Take Cardio out of the equation and the 2000 is even more bearable.
With that said, I also like to multiply bodyweight times 12-15 and use that as a starting point also. If no real change is made in appearance or weight loss in a month, I would then lower calories by 200 and repeat.
I myself can eat around 2500-2800 without gaining any noticeable weight. Right now I am eating 2000 calories 5 days a week and not counting calories at all on the weekends. Last Month, I didn`t count calories the entire month. I probably was averaging around 3000-6000 calories. I made a lot of recipes with Lamb, Fruit Compotes......using Payard, Alinea, Mario Batali, etc....
Even when I eat 2000 calories I still cook from cookbooks. Just simply tally the calories of the recipe, then make it. Weigh the finished product, then do a proportional ratio to figure out your caloric needs. I suspect most people do not know how to do this which is why they don`t bother cooking. It really is simple.
2. No detriments whatsoever but no real positives either. I am sure I go over when I eat a 12 ounce steak, Met-Rx Protein bars, Milk etc...I just advocate that people get at least .5 to 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. More is not necessary, but I am sure I go over all the time with my adventurous cooking.
Note: I do not know anything about the protien needs for drug users and given the fact there are so many radical drugs out there that alter the body`s chemistry so much, I would not presume to know where to direct a drug user. I have no interest in examining or researching it either.
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he never said you should eat 350 calories of sugar, he just said that you could if you chose to as long as you met the other nutritional requirements.
Exactly.
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Yea I hear ya. If Apenis keeps saying pumpkin pie is better than that other stuff I may change my whole attitude about him ;) ;)
(http://images.marthastewart.com/images/content/pub/ms_living/2008Q4//mla103804_1108_choc_pump_l.jpg)
Martha Stewart and Keith Olbermann made a great Pumpkin Pie today.
Simple to make.
Ingredients
Serves 12
FOR THE GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST
2 cups finely ground graham cracker crumbs (about 16 crackers)
3 ounces (6 tablespoons) unsalted butter, melted
1 tablespoon granulated sugar
2 tablespoons packed light-brown sugar
1/2 teaspoon coarse salt
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
3 ounces bittersweet chocolate (preferably 61 percent cacao), finely chopped
FOR THE FILLING
6 ounces semisweet chocolate (preferably 55 percent cacao), chopped
2 ounces (4 tablespoons) unsalted butter, cut into small pieces
1 can (15 ounces) solid-pack pumpkin
1 can (12 ounces) evaporated milk
3/4 cup packed light-brown sugar
3 large eggs
1 tablespoon cornstarch
1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
1 1/2 teaspoons coarse salt
3/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
3/4 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
Ground cloves
1 ounce milk chocolate, melted
Directions
Make the crust: Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Combine graham cracker crumbs, butter, sugars, salt, and cinnamon in bowl. Firmly press mixture into bottom and up sides of a deep, 9 1/2-inch pie dish. Bake until firm, 8 to 10 minutes.
Remove from oven, and sprinkle bittersweet chocolate over bottom of crust. Return to oven to melt chocolate, about 1 minute. Spread chocolate in a thin layer on bottom and up sides. Let cool on a wire rack. Reduce oven temperature to 325 degrees.
Make the filling: In a large heatproof bowl set over a pot of simmering water, melt semisweet chocolate and butter, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat.
Mix pumpkin, milk, brown sugar, eggs, cornstarch, vanilla, salt, cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, and a pinch of cloves in a medium bowl. Whisk 1/3 pumpkin mixture into chocolate mixture. Whisk in remaining pumpkin mixture until completely incorporated.
Transfer pie dish to a rimmed baking sheet, and pour pumpkin mixture into crust. Bake until center is set but still a bit wobbly, 55 to 60 minutes. Let cool in pie dish on a wire rack. Refrigerate until well chilled, at least 8 hours (preferably overnight). Before serving, drizzle melted milk chocolate on top. Serve immediately.
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I don't know who is more pitiful, Gaydonis or the people who actually take him seriously and play into his attention whoring nature? :-\
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I don't know who is more pitiful, Gaydonis or the people who actually take him seriously and play into his attention whoring nature? :-\
Says the man who thought Sarah Palin was a genius. ::)
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for most people it would be better to figure out how to pack the most nutrients into the least amount of calories
If that were the case, they sure would NOT be eating Rice or Oatmeal by itself as they are devoid of Nutrients when compared to other choices.
Now make a recipe with Oatmeal or Rice and it is acceptable as providing ample Nutrients. By themselves, not so much.
You would be suprised to learn that most bodyuilders are actually getting poor nutrition.
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Pumpkin Pie rules, so does pumpkin milk shakes and pumpkin lattes, why cant we have those flavours all year round...lot of hate out there for pumpkins
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Pumpkin Pie rules, so does pumpkin milk shakes and pumpkin lattes, why cant we have those flavours all year round...lot of hate out there for pumpkins
What about intercourse with pumpkins?
I heard it can be quite seedy...
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Pumpkin Pie rules, so does pumpkin milk shakes and pumpkin lattes, why cant we have those flavours all year round...lot of hate out there for pumpkins
I love pumpkin pie
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Pumpkin Pie rules, so does pumpkin milk shakes and pumpkin lattes, why cant we have those flavours all year round...lot of hate out there for pumpkins
Lol yes!
I was discussing this just the other day regarding egg nog. I mean we live in a technologically advanced agricultural growing and providing society where we can make and get anything on demand regarding food, so seasonal eating of the past is somewhat silly. Sure, honor traditions, but there certainly is no rule saying you can`t eat a Roast with Yukon Gold Mashed Potatoes and Pumpkin Pie in the Summer.
American food memes are out of control I tell you!
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How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.
By The True Adonis
You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.
You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.
Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.
Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?
QUOTED 2007
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If that were the case, they sure would NOT be eating Rice or Oatmeal by itself as they are devoid of Nutrients when compared to other choices.
Now make a recipe with Oatmeal or Rice and it is acceptable as providing ample Nutrients. By themselves, not so much.
You would be suprised to learn that most bodyuilders are actually getting poor nutrition.
I wouldn't be that suprised
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1. Well It does depend on the individual certainly. I choose 2000 for the Natural, sedentary bodybuilder which let`s face it, a lot of us are. 2000 is not set in stone by any means it is just what I use personally as I am Natural and Sedentary for the most part. Also, 2000 is a perfect starting/ending point for Naturals which will not be detrimental. Naturals usually have to bring their diets to about 2000 eventually to get really ripped. Take Cardio out of the equation and the 2000 is even more bearable.
With that said, I also like to multiply bodyweight times 12-15 and use that as a starting point also. If no real change is made in appearance or weight loss in a month, I would then lower calories by 200 and repeat.
I myself can eat around 2500-2800 without gaining any noticeable weight. Right now I am eating 2000 calories 5 days a week and not counting calories at all on the weekends. Last Month, I didn`t count calories the entire month. I probably was averaging around 3000-6000 calories. I made a lot of recipes with Lamb, Fruit Compotes......using Payard, Alinea, Mario Batali, etc....
Even when I eat 2000 calories I still cook from cookbooks. Just simply tally the calories of the recipe, then make it. Weigh the finished product, then do a proportional ratio to figure out your caloric needs. I suspect most people do not know how to do this which is why they don`t bother cooking. It really is simple.
2. No detriments whatsoever but no real positives either. I am sure I go over when I eat a 12 ounce steak, Met-Rx Protein bars, Milk etc...I just advocate that people get at least .5 to 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. More is not necessary, but I am sure I go over all the time with my adventurous cooking.
Note: I do not know anything about the protien needs for drug users and given the fact there are so many radical drugs out there that alter the body`s chemistry so much, I would not presume to know where to direct a drug user. I have no interest in examining or researching it either.
Thanks for the response. Counting cals is very easy. Obviously the more muscle you have the more protein one would need, but as far as drugs go I never really believed that drugs increased you need for more protein, but instead increased the utilization of it it. Of course this is just my theory, but I am basing it on seeing people gain on drugs with no change in calories and or protein intake. I believe most guys on drugs eat way too damn much anyway.
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What about intercourse with pumpkins?
I heard it can be quite seedy...
Good one! ;D
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Thanks for the response. Counting cals is very easy. Obviously the more muscle you have the more protein one would need, but as far as drugs go I never really believed that you the allowed you to use much more protein as it does as far as utilizing it. Of course this is just my theory, but I am basing it on seeing people gain on drugs with no change in calories and or protein intake. I believe most guys on drugs eat way too damn much anyway.
I don`t see how you guys keep up with the new drugs and the dosages and all of that. It seems like there are so many vairables involved which is why the majority of Doctors won`t even think about advocating steroids. These people are taking so many different compounds and not in isolation it is a complete wonder to me how they are certain they are going to achieve the desired result. Or are most people flying blind which seems to be the case?
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I don`t see how you guys keep up with the new drugs and the dosages and all of that. It seems like there are so many vairables involved which is why the majority of Doctors won`t even think about advocating steroids. These people are taking so many different compounds and not in isolation it is a complete wonder to me how they are certain they are going to achieve the desired result. Or are most people flying blind which seems to be the case?
Well please don't include me into the "you guys" as I also think that these guys are making things way too complicated. When I lay out a plan for someone it is more towards the diet side of things and not drugs. I think this is what surprises guys more than anything. They think that I am going to give them someone kind of secret formula when it comes to drugs. The more shit you take the harder it is to bring a guy in peak condition. The guys in the 70's and 80's had it right.
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Well please don't include me into the "you guys" as I also think that these guys are making things way too complicated. When I lay out a plan for someone it is more towards the diet side of things and not drugs. I think this is what surprises guys more than anything. They think that I am going to give them someone kind of secret formula when it comes to drugs. The more shit you take the harder it is to bring a guy in peak condition. The guys in the 70's and 80's had it right.
Have you ever read about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment? It is really interesting how they undertook it and what they were able to observe and learn. Google it. I think you would find it interesting.
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Have you ever read about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment? It is really interesting how they undertook it and what they were able to observe and learn. Google it. I think you would find it interesting.
Sounds familiar, wasn't there a program on about this? I'll google it and check it out.
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Sounds familiar, wasn't there a program on about this? I'll google it and check it out.
Their Formula prediction is about the same as what I came up with.
Wx = Wf + K • (24 - t)2 ,
where Wx is the subject’s weight at time t and Wf is the final target body weight after 24 weeks. For each subject, the individual factor, K, is determined by the formula,
K = W0/100 • P/242 ,
where W0 is the subject’s initial weight at the beginning of the starvation phase and P is the total desired target weight loss. This quadratic formula for determining calorie intake is called the Key’s Formula and is still used today in the therapeutic treatment of nutritional disorders.
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There is a lot of pent up anger and hate by many members here because they simply cannot believe Adam achieved what he did eating what he wanted. Adonis proved that you can have your cake and eat it too (pun intended ha ha)
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Their Formula prediction is about the same as what I came up with.
Wx = Wf + K • (24 - t)2 ,
where Wx is the subject’s weight at time t and Wf is the final target body weight after 24 weeks. For each subject, the individual factor, K, is determined by the formula,
K = W0/100 • P/242 ,
where W0 is the subject’s initial weight at the beginning of the starvation phase and P is the total desired target weight loss. This quadratic formula for determining calorie intake is called the Key’s Formula and is still used today in the therapeutic treatment of nutritional disorders.
Yep, I remember now seeing this on TV and I would like to see it again. All I can say of F@ck that sh$t!! ;D
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I'm not engaging this TA guy anymore; he's just got too much energy to keep fighting back. He'll never stop. He LIVES and BREATHES these battles. It's most all of getbig against TA, yet he keeps coming back every time. Credit must be given for TA's message board warrior spirit.
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Yep, I remember now seeing this on TV and I would like to see it again. All I can say of F@ck that sh$t!! ;D
Is that Team Falcon?
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Says the man who thought Sarah Palin was a genius. ::)
Feel free to quote me ...oh wait..you can't because I never said it.
I did say and that's a fact that she was more qualified than Obama, she have much more experience as a leader as mayor and governor than some freshman senator.
So where is your 225X50 deadlift video? Where are new pictures of Jezz (your sister) kissing you instead of just a family hug....should I go on?
You're a joke.
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Have you ever read about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment? It is really interesting how they undertook it and what they were able to observe and learn. Google it. I think you would find it interesting.
wholly shit!
"There were extreme reactions to the psychological effects during the experiment including self-mutilation (one subject amputated three fingers of his hand with an axe, though the subject was unsure if he had done so intentionally or accidentally)."
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<- Eating a Big Mac as I type. :)
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<- Eating a Big Mac as I type. :)
Let's see a recent pic, TA.
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Feel free to quote me ...oh wait..you can't because I never said it.
I did say and that's a fact that she was more qualified than Obama, she have much more experience as a leader as mayor and governor than some freshman senator.
So where is your 225X50 deadlift video? Where are new pictures of Jezz (your sister) kissing you instead of just a family hug....should I go on?
You're a joke.
Hahaha this has to be the most ironic post ever made.
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Oh and btw when you claim a calorie is a calorie and you can eat whatever you want, you ARE implying the make up of macronutrients of your food does not matter what so ever.
But what do you expect from someone with a never ending dribble of shit coming out of his mouth?
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Oh and btw when you claim a calorie is a calorie and you can eat whatever you want, you ARE implying the make up of macronutrients of your food does not matter what so ever.
But what do you expect from someone with a never ending dribble of shit coming out of his mouth?
a calorie is a calorie
as long as you get .5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight you can eat WHAT EVER YOU WANT and still get ripped
you have to be in a negative calorie balance
I'll show you in a couple of weeks, I'll post pictures or send them to Adonis before I go on my trip
I'll be more ripped than Alex A (when he is photoshoped and looks ripped )
you can refer to it as the "AXA experiment" :-*
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a calorie is a calorie
as long as you get .5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight you can eat WHAT EVER YOU WANT and still get ripped
I'll show you in a couple of weeks, I'll post pictures or send them to Adonis before I go on my trip
I'll be more ripped than Alex A (when he is photoshoped and looks ripped )
you can refer to it as the "AXA experiment" :-*
Learn to be humble, akhmed..
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I'm not engaging this TA guy anymore; he's just got too much energy to keep fighting back. He'll never stop. He LIVES and BREATHES these battles. It's most all of getbig against TA, yet he keeps coming back every time. Credit must be given for TA's message board warrior spirit.
you have engaged TA and AXA in the period of 24 hours, you must be fuckin exhausted. ;D ;D
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Let's see a recent pic, TA.
Well here is one from September 28.
And one from November 4th. :)
And one in late November.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/zvxts0.jpg)
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you have engaged TA and AXA in the period of 24 hours, you must be fuckin exhausted. ;D ;D
These guys always come back for more; they're tireless. They might even be more Relentless than I.
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PED
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Well here is one from September 28.
And one from November 4th. :)
And one in late November.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/zvxts0.jpg)
Good, but how about a few standard bodybuilding poses?
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Well here is one from September 28.
And one from November 4th. :)
And one in late November.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/zvxts0.jpg)
Your sister is hot, can you hook us up? Goatboy outed you years ago, why do you keep doing it?
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Your sister is hot, can you hook us up? Goatboy outed you years ago, why do you keep doing it?
Wait, he's posing with his sis in these pics?
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Well here is one from September 28.
And one from November 4th. :)
And one in late November.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/zvxts0.jpg)
You and ur weird lighting.....
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Wait, he's posing with his sis in these pics?
thats one of the theories at least ;D
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Learn to be humble, akhmed..
"humble" is not in my dictionary, I prefer "confident" :)
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Good, but how about a few standard bodybuilding poses?
Well these here are old from the summer. I was a bit fatter as I was playing around with caloric numbers for a while.
As you can see, I stay lean and about the same size. A few lbs difference here and there. Ah, the Natural slow progression.
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Your conditioning is good, but your structure/shape is terrible...
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Well these here are old from the summer. I was a bit fatter as I was playing around with caloric numbers for a while.
And here are the obligatory ones from about 2 years ago I think.
As you can see, I stay lean and about the same size. A few lbs difference here and there. Ah, the Natural slow progression.
Are you happy with what you have achieved? What are your strengths and weaknesses?
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Your conditioning is good, but your structure/shape is terrible...
That's what I was thinking. He's done a good job with what he has available genetically.
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I assume the side chest is your favourite pose adam?
Mine too 8)
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"humble" is not in my dictionary, I prefer "confident" :)
Try "delusional" and "hopeless." These words describe you much better.
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I assume the side chest is your favourite pose adam?
Mine too 8)
Adam's or yours?
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Are you happy with what you have achieved? What are your strengths and weaknesses?
My strength is my brain. My strength is my ability to get lean very fast with no work. I go to the gym about 1-3 days of week and no Cardio. I know how to eat correctly and optimally.
My biggest weakness is procrastination. I love going to the gym, but I have what I call a Jezebelle clause. For some reason she won`t let me go unless she goes since we always work out together. Today I actually went by myself as Jezebelle was too sleepy to go, but usually I obey her and wait for her to be able to go with me.
Now I go to the gym at least 1-3 days a week, I should be doing 3-5 as I would probably would get a better result. Not much different in terms of muscle gain, but a bit faster result on the lean time.
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Adam's or yours?
side chest is my favourite pose, of my own
stop being gay Relentless ::)
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My strength is my brain. My strength is my ability to get lean very fast with no work. I go to the gym about 1-3 days of week and no Cardio. I know how to eat correctly and optimally.
My biggest weakness is procrastination. I love going to the gym, but I have what I call a Jezebelle clause. For some reason she won`t let me go unless she goes since we always work out together. Today I actually went by myself as Jezebelle was too sleepy to go, but usually I obey her and wait for her to be able to go with me.
Now I go to the gym at least 1-3 days a week, I should be doing 3-5 as I would probably would get a better result. Not much different in terms of muscle gain, but a bit faster result on the lean time.
jesus christ, grow some fucking balls you fruitcake... ::)
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That's what I was thinking. He's done a good job with what he has available genetically.
I am biased in that I like the physiques of the 60s and 70s when tall guys ruled. Today it is the midgets. I personally like the long and lean look with long appendages. The short midger look in my opinion is repulsive.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/jusupwilkosz/jusupwilkosz2.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/dennistinerino/dennistinerino2.jpg)
(http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/davedraper8.jpg)
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I assume the side chest is your favourite pose adam?
Mine too 8)
please stfu already.
Adonis may be absurd, but atleast he has some muscle.
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I am biased in that I like the physiques of the 60s and 70s when tall guys ruled. Today it is the midgets. I personally like the long and lean look with long appendages. The short midger look in my opinion is repulsive.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/jusupwilkosz/jusupwilkosz2.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/dennistinerino/dennistinerino2.jpg)
(http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/davedraper8.jpg)
Long appendages?
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Old School. Anti-Midger.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/guymierczuk/guymierczuk7.jpg)
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please stfu already.
Adonis may be absurd, but atleast he has some muscle.
TA has much more physical and mental prowess than AXA.
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Just one problem Adam, you're not tall
as the tallest getbig member, I say Adonis is taller than most on here
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Impressive shot here.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/aniballopez/aniballopez12.jpg)
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as the tallest getbig member, I say Adonis is taller than most on here
You don't have any credibility here, sorry kid.
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please stfu already.
Adonis may be absurd, but atleast he has some muscle.
3/4 of your posts have been about me, just admit you're gay and have a crush on me and get it over with
like that other guy did :-X
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Old School. Anti-Midger.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/guymierczuk/guymierczuk7.jpg)
Why not respect all physiques? Sooner or later, you'll progress to this conclusion. Many diff types of physiques are worthy of respect.
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I would much rather look like world class naturals such as
Jeff Willet, and Skip LaCour than Markus Ruhl :-X
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I would much rather look like world class naturals such as
Jeff Willet, and Skip LaCour than Markus Ruhl :-X
[img height= 300 width=250 ]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Markus_Rühl.jpg[/img]
Don't fret, you'll never get there AXA. You won't ever reach TA's level.
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Don't fret, you'll never get there AXA. You won't ever reach TA's level.
LOL
your stupid acts of trying to get me and TA to clash is not gonna work Mr. stoooooooopeeed :D
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you forgot to mention that you're the skinniest also
you're an idiot, if I had my conditioning right I would have been in the mix for 1st or 2nd place
I have more muscle in my left calf than you do on your entire body :-*
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I'm 6' 6" 280, you've got a long way to go stick boy
pics?
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I'm 6' 6" 280, you've got a long way to go stick boy
isn't everybody on getbig 6 foot 6 300 pounds ripped to shreds? ::)
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no need to post pics, just ask McFarland, I've trained with him many times... beanpole
I believe you...
One of getbig's biggest right here...
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I would much rather look like world class naturals such as
Jeff Willet, and Skip LaCour than Markus Ruhl :-X
Ahahaha ....I see the term "natural" is used loosely nowadays ::)
And btw. even if you would have been shredded there is no way in hell you could've beaten Aquilles , dov , goudy .. and most of the other entrants. And I think you know that I'm right.
Honestly you look like I did when I was like ... 14-15 years old. Hmmm I might even looked better .. yea most definitely.
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Well these here are old from the summer. I was a bit fatter as I was playing around with caloric numbers for a while.
As you can see, I stay lean and about the same size. A few lbs difference here and there. Ah, the Natural slow progression.
this face...THIS FACE... THIS FACE! OH MAN...
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Ahahaha ....I see the term "natural" is used loosely nowadays ::)
And btw. even if you would have been shredded there is no way in hell you could've beaten Aquilles , dov , goudy .. and most of the other entrants. And I think you know that I'm right.
Honestly you look like I did when I was like ... 14-15 years old. Hmmm I might even looked better .. yea most definitely.
oh my, aren't we so very opinioniated with our 30 posts? :D ::)
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3/4 of your posts have been about me, just admit you're gay and have a crush on me and get it over with
like that other guy did :-X
hahaha
Ive been here for years....just because u have 5k posts, doesnt mean ur not a noob.
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oh my, aren't we so very opinioniated with our 30 posts? :D ::)
So you think more posts make you better in any way ?
Well they don't .. especially not if half of em are bullshit claims.
You barely look like you go to a gym.
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So you think more posts make you better in any way ?
Well they don't .. especially not if half of em are bullshit claims.
You barely look like you go to a gym.
you're been registered for 7 days Mr. Gimmick 8) ::)
it's so tough talking behind a computer, you'd never say anything to me face to face
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you're been registered for 7 days Mr. Gimmick 8) ::)
it's so tough talking behind a computer, you'd never say anything to me face to face
I'm not a gimmick .. thought we were over this.
I'd say whatever I want to your face. I'm a really nice guy that's why I would not insult you for no reason.
I'm just telling you the truth you're the one posting bullshit all over this board so you should either change your way of writing or get used to the fact that people will call you out.. and if you think just because you're 6feet6 or whatever I would be scared of you you're wrong. I am pretty strong and big.. ;)
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I hope he knows that I have advocated a calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is NOT a Macro Nutrient the entire time. I think he may be confused a bit.
1. No you have not!! That did not start until the "latest" version of the principles were posted. Early on you stated that the only thing that matters is TOTAL CALORIES, then proceeded to post pictures of ice cream.
2. You never said anything about 1g protein per lb of bodyweight, that was also added in later. You were advocating the RDA for everything, including protein.
3. You made bullshit claims with no specifics to get attention, now you cleverly "refine" it to save face.
Hope this helps.
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but as far as drugs go I never really believed that drugs increased you need for more protein, but instead increased the utilization of it it. Of course this is just my theory, but I am basing it on seeing people gain on drugs with no change in calories and or protein intake. I believe most guys on drugs eat way too damn much anyway.
Steroids increase recycling of aminos, so yes, guys on drugs can actually grow on less protein.
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Haven't read the whole thread but saw the Minnesota experiment mentioned. I've mentioned it before too. It of course proves that everyone will lose weight if calories are restricted and the weight loss is predictable. The slowing of the metabolism wasn't as dramatic as many would expect either.
There were no fat people coming out of the concentration camps either!
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We have (Berardi and I) have discussed this from time to time. Here's a summary (or at least a summary for John :-\) Maybe this will help.
By Dr. John M Berardi, Ph.D.
First published at www.t-nation.com, May 11, 2005.
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A Violent Uprising?
Arthur Schopenhauer, a preeminent 19th century philosopher, once said that truth isn’t always as easily accepted as we’d like it to be. Specifically, he stated: "Truth always goes in 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally accepted as self-evident."
Now, in this article, I intend to introduce the Testosterone Nation to a new
"truth." Well, maybe that’s not the best way of saying it. But, since saying
that I intend to introduce the T-Nation to my best guess at a theoretical model designed to explain and predict a natural phenomenon will leave a few of you scratching your heads, let’s stick with calling it a new truth.
The "new truth" that I want to introduce you to today is a new view of the
concept of energy balance. Although the ideas in this article will suggest that the current view of the energy balance equation offers limited explanatory and predictive power and, as a result, needs revisions, I don’t necessarily think that these ideas will stir uprisings, violent or otherwise.
First of all, the concepts in this article are logical, supported by research, and have appeared in bits and pieces, albeit fragmented, elsewhere on this site in the work of myself and the Warrior Nerd, Dr Lonnie Lowery.
Second of all, I’m just not sure the concept of energy balance has the power to rouse violence. It always makes me chuckle when "experts" (in any field) parrot this Schopenhauer quotation, suggesting that the ridicule of their ideas actually somehow makes the ideas true! Looking back through history, many more ridiculed ideas have been shown to be false than have shown to be true.
So rather than testing the ideas in this article against the barometer of ridicule and violent upheaval, let’s just test them against a much more objective standard—the available body of scientific and clinical evidence.
The Current View of Energy Balance
Let’s start out with a few pictures illustrating the current view of energy
balance, or, at least, how most people view the relationship between "calories in" and "calories out."
The first image below represents how most people perceive the energy balance equation during weight maintenance. As the diagram represents, when "calories in" are equivalent to "calories out," body mass should remain constant.
The next image below represents the conventional view of the energy balance equation during weight gain. As the diagram represents, when "calories in" exceed "calories out" body mass should be gained.
The next image below represents the conventional view of the energy balance equation during weight loss. As the diagram represents, when "calories out" exceed "calories in," body mass should be lost.
Now, in looking at these pictures it’s important to understand exactly what they represent. These pictures represent a scientific model, or in other words, a mental picture, or idealization, based on physical concepts and aesthetic notions that account for what scientists see regarding a particular phenomenon. And not only does a scientific model, as described above, explain a particular phenomenon, it allows scientists to predict a future course for the phenomenon in question.
Therefore, if the energy balance model above (or as we understand it, based on the pictures) can consistently explain body composition changes seen in those altering their exercise and nutritional habits, as well as predict how any specific change in either variable will impact body composition in the future, it’s a valid model. If not, it’s invalid (incomplete, misunderstood, or completely wrong).
From that perspective, let’s take a few case studies of mine and see if the
model above holds up under the explanatory and predictive scrutiny necessary for a scientific model to be valid.
Three Strikes and You’re Out
In order to support my contention that the above-mentioned model of energy
balance (or as we understand it, based on the pictures) is inadequate; here are 3 case studies for your examination.
*Case Study #1:
National Level Cross Country Skier; Female - 20y
Client Information from September 2002:
5’6" ; 160lb ; 22% fat
(125lb lean, 35lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~2500kcal/day
15% protein
65% carbohydrate
20% fat
Client Information from December 2002:
5’6" ; 135lb ; 9% fat
(123lb lean, 12lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~4000kcal/day
35% protein
40% carbohydrate
25% fat
Net result — 12 weeks:
25lbs lost; -23lb fat; -2lbs lean
*Note that in case study #1, we increased energy intake by a whopping 1500 per day while energy expenditure remained the same. Since the athlete was weight stable in September—prior to hiring me—you might have expected her to have gained weight during our 12 week program. However, as you can see, she lost 25lbs (while preserving most of her muscle mass). Since the energy balance model above, as it appears, can’t explain this very interesting result, that’s one strike.
*Case Study #2:
Beginner Weight Lifter; Male — 23y
Client Information from August 2003:
5’6" ; 180lb ; 30% fat
(126lb lean, 54lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~200kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~1700kcal/day
21% protein
57% carbohydrate
22% fat
Client Information from October 2003:
5’6" ; 173lb ; 20% body fat
(138.5lb lean, 34.5lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~600kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~2200 - 2400kcal/day
35 - 40% protein
30 - 35% carbohydrate
30 - 35% fat
Net result — 8 weeks:
7lb weight loss; -19.5lb fat, +12.5lb lean
*Notice that in case study #2, we increased energy intake by between 500 and 700 per day while increasing energy expenditure by about 400 per day. Again, since the lifter was weight stable in June, prior to hiring me, you might have expected him to have gained weight or at least remained weight stable during this 8 week program. However, as you can see, he lost 7 lbs. But that’s not the most interesting story. During the 8 weeks, he lost almost 20lbs of fat while gaining almost 13 lbs of lean mass. Since the energy balance model above, as it appears, can’t explain this very interesting result, that’s two strikes.
*Case Study #3:
Mixed Martial Arts Trainer; Male — 35y
Client Information from June 2004:
5’10" ; 179lb ; 19% fat
(148.6lb lean, 30.4lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~300kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~1100 - 1500kcal/day
48% protein
25% carbohydrate
27% fat
Client Information from August 2004:
5’10" ; 187lb ; 9% body fat
(170.2lb lean, 16.8lbs fat)
Exercise Expenditure:
~600kcal/day
Energy Intake:
~2400 - 2600kcal/day
26 - 38% protein
28 — 42% carbohydrate
22 — 34% fat
Net results — 8 weeks:
8lb weight gain; -13.6 lb fat, +21.6 lb
*Notice that in case study #3, we increased energy intake by between 1100 and 1300 per day while increasing energy expenditure by only about 300 per day. Again, since the lifter was weight stable in June, prior to hiring me, you might have expected him to have experienced a large gain in mass, both significant muscle and fat gains. However, as you can see, he gained 8 total lbs, having lost almost 14lbs of fat while gaining nearly 22lbs of lean mass.
While the energy balance equation might have predicted weight gain, it’s
unlikely that it would have predicted the radical shift in body composition seen in this individual. Yet another strike against the current view of energy
balance, as it appears.
Simplicity and Energy Balance
After looking at the case studies above, you might be wondering where the
classic view went wrong. (You also might be wondering what these individuals were on in order to progress so quickly—well, actually, not one of them took steroids or any nutritional supplements more powerful than Low-Carb Grow! Surge, and fish oil).
Although scientists are still trying to work out what types of metabolic
"uncoupling" are going on in order to produce results like those results above, it’s my belief that the current view of energy balance (depicted in the slides above) is just too simple to offer consistent explanatory and predictive power in the realm of body composition change. Below are the three main reasons I believe this to be true:
1. Calorie restriction or overfeeding (in the absence of other metabolic
intervention like drugs, supplements, or intense exercise) is likely to
produce equal losses is lean body mass and fat mass (w/restriction) or equal gains in lean body mass and fat mass (w/overfeeding). And even if these gains or losses aren’t necessarily equal, they still are in such a proportion that while body mass may be affected, individuals will only likely end up smaller or larger versions of the same shape. I call this the "body shape status quo".(1)
2. Most people assume too much simplicity by associating energy intake with calorie intake alone, and energy expenditure with exercise activity alone. This simplistic view can lead to false assumptions about what causes weight gain and weight loss.(2) Both sides of the equation are much more complex and it’s these interrelationships that are important to physique mastery.
3. Most people treat the energy intake and energy expenditure sides of the
equation as independent. As a result, even if we could avoid reason #2 (the
problem of simplicity) by matching energy intake against all the known forms of work that the body does in utilizing energy,
"…Obesity can arise in the absence of calorie over consumption. In addition, opposite models can show how obesity can be prevented by increasing expenditure to waste energy and stabilize body weight when challenged by hyperphagia (over consumption)". (3)
Factors Affecting Energy Balance
Now, when I say that most people assume too much simplicity by associating energy intake with calorie intake alone, and energy expenditure with exercise activity alone, I’m not shaking my finger at them. Obviously, of the factors playing into energy balance, these are the most readily modifiable. But, assuming they are the only factors playing into energy balance is what gets people into trouble.
In the diagram below, I’ve outlined all the factors that we currently know to
impact both the energy intake and energy expenditure sides of the energy balance equation.
Notice one thing, though. I don’t mention hormones here. The reason: hormones don’t impact energy expenditure directly. Rather, they signal a change in one of the factors listed on the energy expenditure side of the equation (or they lead to an increased appetite, thus are two steps removed from affecting the energy intake side of the equation).
Obviously, this relationship is much more complex than most people make it out to be. Sure, on the energy intake side of the equation, things are fairly
simple. The "calories in" are mostly affected by the efficiency of digestion
(90-95% of energy in). And we can control this side by volitionally choosing how much we stuff in our mouths.
However, on the energy expenditure side, we’ve got three major "destinations" for our ingested energy; work, heat and storage. And all the energy coming in goes to one of those three destinations. From this perspective, although it seems a bit counterintuitive, we’re actually always in "energy balance" regardless of whether we’re gaining or losing weight. The energy taken in is always balanced by the energy going toward work, heat and storage.
The interesting part is that during periods of over- or under feeding, the
amount of energy in can influence most of the factors on the energy out side.
Relationships Between Energy In and Energy Out
In order to add another touch of complexity to the discussion, as discussed
above, most people treat the two sides of the energy balance equation as
independent. They’re not. But don’t just take my word for it:
"The regulatory systems (of the body) control both energy input and output so that for a given steady state, compensatory changes on the input side are made if expenditure is challenged, or on the output side (expenditure or efficiency) if intake is challenged…Realizing human obesity is caused by the interaction of an obesigenic environment with a large number of susceptibility genes, successful treatment will require uncoupling of these compensatory mechanisms" (4).
"The critical issue in addressing the problem of alterations in body weight
regulation is not intake or expenditure taken separately, but the adjustment of one to the other under ad libitum food intake conditions" (5).
In the end, as these scientists suggest, understanding the relationship between "energy in" and "energy out" requires a more complex energy balance model than the one most people currently picture in their minds.
And, as promised above, here’s my take on what this model should look like in order to more accurately reflect what’s going on with energy balance.
Dr. JB’s Energy Balance Model
Let’s walk through this model together.
First, energy is ingested, with 90-95% of it being digested and absorbed. Once this energy reaches the cells, the intake is "sensed" by the body and signals are sent to the brain (and other tissues) to manipulate energy expenditure.
Here’s one way that energy intake is "sensed." (For a more detailed explanation, check out check out Part 1 of my "Hungry Hungry Hormone" article series.)
Based on the signals received, the brain either sends signals back to the body in order to increase hunger and metabolic efficiency while decreasing metabolism (if in a hypocaloric state), or in order to decrease hunger and metabolic efficiency while increasing metabolism (if in a hypercaloric state).
A complete understanding of this model leads us to realize that trying to
manipulate total energy intake alone in order to alter body composition lets us down because the energy expenditure side of the equation quickly changes to accommodate intake conditions. And trying to manipulate the energy expenditure side of the equation in order to alter body composition lets us down because the energy intake side of the equation is signaled to change in order to match expenditure conditions. In the end, this entire system is in place to prevent significant deviations from a comfortable body composition homeostasis. However, we all know that body mass and body composition can be altered reliably and homeostasis can be overcome to one degree or another. So, how do we manage to "outsmart" the body?
Well, various strategies can help to "uncouple" the relationships between energy intake and expenditure. I’ve detailed a few of them below.
Energy Uncoupling
Notice that there are two possible "uncoupling points" in this energy balance model.
The first uncoupling point lies in the communication between energy sensing/brain signaling (the lower arrow) and the second lies in the communication between the brain and the body—particularly in the drive to eat and the drive to move (the upper arrow).
Think of what dieters face during those inevitable dieting stalemates that
nearly all of us have experienced. Once energy is restricted, appetite is
reduced and both exercise and non-exercise energy expenditure is reduced. In order to combat this inevitable metabolic slow-down, a few of the strategies illustrated above can be beneficial.
First, on the energy sensing/signaling end, periodic re-feeding, the use of
carbohydrate or carbohydrate/protein drinks during exercise, and upregulation of thyroid function by nutritional supplements designed to provide raw materials for thyroid hormone manufacture or to stimulate the conversion of T4 to the more active T3 in the body can help keep the metabolic signal alive.
Secondly, on the brain to body end (the drives to eat and move), although
signals are sent to increase food intake and decrease voluntary activity, these can be uncoupled by refusing to eat more in the face of increased hunger.
Also, uncoupling can occur as a result of performing more exercise and non-exercise activity (including using strategies for increasing the cost of each activity — wearing an X-vest when walking, for example) in an attempt to maintain pre-diet energy expenditure.
If you’re looking for more tips for uncoupling the tight relationship between
energy intake and energy expenditure, check out Dr Lonnie Lowery’s Losing Your Energy Balance series at www.t-nation.com
In addition, as most of you know, I believe that alterations in food type (what
you eat) and food timing (when you eat) can also uncouple this relationship and improve both weight loss profile and muscle building profile.
For more on this, check out my" Lean Eatin’" articles — Part 1 and 2 — as well asmy Appetite for Construction column right here at JB.com.
And if after reading these articles, you still don’t buy into the calore is not a calorie argument (which is closely related to the concepts presented in this article), check out this recent scientific paper by Buchholz and Schoeller (6).
Finally, check out my review of my presentation at the 2004 SWIS Symposium for a more complete treatment of how to use the information presented in this article to impact fat loss.
In the end, I hope it’s evident that the traditional picture of energy balance
is missing one key facet—the fact that energy intake and expenditure are tightly inter-related. Without understanding this relationship, some erroneous conclusions are regularly drawn by dieters and nutritionists, conclusions that prevent the types of success seen in the case studies discussed in this article.
Now that you’re armed with this information, you’ll be better equipped to
construct nutrition schedules designed to "outsmart" the body, uncoupling this relationship above, and losing fat (or gaining muscle) while others stagnate.
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/new_view.htm
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How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.
By The True Adonis
You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.
You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.
Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.
Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?
QUOTED 2007
LOL! Classic. ;D
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There is a lot of pent up anger and hate by many members here because they simply cannot believe Adam achieved what he did eating what he wanted. Adonis proved that you can have your cake and eat it too (pun intended ha ha)
Yes great achievement. :o ::)
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1. No you have not!! That did not start until the "latest" version of the principles were posted. Early on you stated that the only thing that matters is TOTAL CALORIES, then proceeded to post pictures of ice cream.
2. You never said anything about 1g protein per lb of bodyweight, that was also added in later. You were advocating the RDA for everything, including protein.
3. You made bullshit claims with no specifics to get attention, now you cleverly "refine" it to save face.
Hope this helps.
The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually. I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of. I just made it easier via clarification is all.
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Proof that Apenis does have a degree and is a published writer. Congrats!
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The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually. I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of. I just made it easier via clarification is all.
Please use your research skills and show me where the RDA says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
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Proof that Apenis does have a degree and is a published writer. Congrats!
You have no business talking smack about anyones physique.
Your lack of willpower sickens me!!
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The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually. I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of. I just made it easier via clarification is all.
You need to read the study I posted.
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You have no business talking smack about anyones physique.
Your lack of willpower sickens me!!
Hey tell me more so I can do whatever it takes so you kill yourself. We all know what you look like and you don't belong anywhere but............ well really nowhere
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Isn't RDA pretty much based upon prison populations and related to the minimum amount people can take in without symptoms?
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Please use your research skills and show me where the RDA says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
The RDA/RDI offers a flexible range and no set number and advocates based on needs. Hope this helps.
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Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.
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Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.
When you get ready for a contest you really think that's an issue ::)?
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When you get ready for a contest you really think that's an issue ::)?
I personally think it should be addressed and why not? You can have a functional bodybuilding contest diet that meets and exceeds nutritional needs all the while eating foods you enjoy.
The limiting to certain foods and food groups is the problem.
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I just found one of my diet spreads for August 25th. As you can see I eat what I enjoy and have met it in a nutritionally sound manner.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/recipe/646293/2
August 25, 2008
Serving size:
Recipe Ingredients Qty x Measure click on name for nutrient facts
96 Extra Ground Beef 4 oz
1.5 x Custom Food (112g)
Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
0.7534904 x 100 grams (100g)
Body Fortress Whey Protein
1.0 x Custom Food (66g)
Butter, without salt
0.030096618 x 100 grams (100g)
Oil, olive, salad or cooking
1.0 x 1 tsp (4g)
Organic Pure Dark Amber Maple Syrup Harris Teeter
0.053743962 x Custom Food (60g)
Organic Whole Wheat Couscous
0.31 x 100 grams (100g)
Palermo`s Garlic and Pesto Pizza
2.36 x 100 grams (100g)
Peaches, raw
1.76 x 100 grams (100g)
Snickers Marathon Chocolate Nut Burst
1.0 x Custom Food (80g)
StarKist Tuna Creations Hickory Smoked
2.5 x Custom Food (56g)
Sugars, granulated [sucrose]
0.07416667 x 100 grams (100g)
Sweet potato, cooked, baked in skin, without salt [Sweetpotato]
1.17 x 100 grams (100g)
FOOD SUMMARY
Download Printable Label Image Nutritional Target Map
2.6 3.5 Fullness FactorND Rating
NutritionData's
Opinion
Weight loss:
Optimum health:
Weight gain:
The good: This food is a good source of Vitamin C and Phosphorus, and a very good source of Vitamin A and Potassium.
Caloric Ratio Pyramid
37% 26% 37%
Carbs Fats Protein
81 NA
NUTRIENT BALANCE
63
Completeness Score
PROTEIN QUALITY
23
Amino Acid Score
Adding other foods with complementary amino acid profiles to this food may yield a more complete protein source and improve the quality of some types of restrictive diets.
Find foods with complementary profile
NUTRITION INFORMATION
Amounts per Entire Recipe (1,108g)
Calorie Information
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calories1809(7574 kJ)90%
From Carbohydrate677(2834 kJ)
From Fat468(1959 kJ)
From Protein664(2780 kJ)
From Alcohol~0.0(0.0 kJ)
Carbohydrates
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Carbohydrate~185g~62%
Dietary Fiber~25.9g~104%
Starch~8.3g
Sugars~64.1g
Fats & Fatty Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Fat52.3g80%
Saturated Fat~17.9g~90%
Monounsaturated Fat~6.5g
Polyunsaturated Fat~3.3g
Total trans fatty acids~0.0g
Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids~0.0g
Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids~0.0g
Total Omega-3 fatty acids~58.7mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids~772mg
Learn more about these fatty acids
and their equivalent names
Protein & Amino Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Protein~176g~352%
Vitamins
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Vitamin A~25398IU~508%
Vitamin C~112mg~187%
Vitamin D~ ~
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)~23.0mg~115%
Vitamin K~11.8mcg~15%
Thiamin~1.7mg~112%
Riboflavin~1.9mg~112%
Niacin~23.2mg~116%
Vitamin B6~2.4mg~120%
Folate~416mcg~104%
Vitamin B12~6.0mcg~100%
Pantothenic Acid~11.4mg~114%
Choline~29.2mg
Betaine~41.1mg
Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calcium~1190mg~119%
Iron~16.4mg~91%
Magnesium~395mg~99%
Phosphorus~2227mg~223%
Potassium~18032mg~515%
Sodium~2105mg~88%
Zinc~6.7mg~45%
Copper~0.3mg~17%
Manganese~0.7mg~36%
Selenium~0.5mcg~1%
Fluoride~9.7mcg
Sterols
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Cholesterol~209mg~70%
Phytosterols~36.6mg
Other
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Alcohol~0.0g
Water~310g
Ash~2.5g
Caffeine~0.0mg
Theobromine~0.0mg
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Here is the next day.
August 26th.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/recipe/648693/2
August 26,2008
Serving size:
Recipe Ingredients Qty x Measure click on name for nutrient facts
Body Fortress Whey Protein
1.25 x Custom Food (66g)
Father Sam`s Pita White
1.0 x Custom Food (50g)
Fish, tuna, light, canned in water, drained solids
0.98 x 100 grams (100g)
Grapefruit, raw, pink and red, all areas
2.48 x 100 grams (100g)
Hellman`s Real Mayonnaise
1.0 x Custom Food (13g)
Mrs. Fields Ice Cream Chocolate Chip Cookie
1.0 x Custom Food (55g)
Mt. Olive Sweet Relish
1.0 x Custom Food (15g)
Pizza Pretzel Kim and Scott
1.0 x Custom Food (113g)
Snickers Marathon Chocolate Nut Burst
1.0 x Custom Food (80g)
Starkist Tuna Creations Sweet and Spicy
2.5 x Custom Food (56g)
Sweet potato, cooked, baked in skin, without salt [Sweetpotato]
1.4 x 100 grams (100g)
FOOD SUMMARY
Download Printable Label Image Nutritional Target Map
2.6 3.8 Fullness FactorND Rating
NutritionData's
Opinion
Weight loss:
Optimum health:
Weight gain:
The good: This food is a good source of Protein, Vitamin C, Niacin and Phosphorus, and a very good source of Vitamin A and Potassium.
Caloric Ratio Pyramid
44% 21% 35%
Carbs Fats Protein
101 NA
NUTRIENT BALANCE
69
Completeness Score
PROTEIN QUALITY
55
Amino Acid Score
Adding other foods with complementary amino acid profiles to this food may yield a more complete protein source and improve the quality of some types of restrictive diets.
Find foods with complementary profile
NUTRITION INFORMATION
Amounts per Entire Recipe (1,034g)
Calorie Information
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calories1761(7373 kJ)88%
From Carbohydrate789(3303 kJ)
From Fat363(1520 kJ)
From Protein609(2550 kJ)
From Alcohol~0.0(0.0 kJ)
Carbohydrates
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Carbohydrate~216g~72%
Dietary Fiber~23.8g~95%
Starch~9.9g
Sugars~83.4g
Fats & Fatty Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Fat41.6g64%
Saturated Fat~15.3g~77%
Monounsaturated Fat~2.7g
Polyunsaturated Fat~6.5g
Total trans fatty acids~0.0g
Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids~
Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids~
Total Omega-3 fatty acids~301mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids~165mg
Learn more about these fatty acids
and their equivalent names
Protein & Amino Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Protein~162g~324%
Vitamins
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Vitamin A~31711IU~634%
Vitamin C~165mg~275%
Vitamin D~ ~
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)~21.6mg~108%
Vitamin K~3.4mcg~4%
Thiamin~2.0mg~134%
Riboflavin~2.1mg~126%
Niacin~37.2mg~186%
Vitamin B6~2.9mg~144%
Folate~445mcg~111%
Vitamin B12~8.9mcg~149%
Pantothenic Acid~12.1mg~121%
Choline~66.2mg
Betaine~51.3mg
Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calcium~1135mg~113%
Iron~17.0mg~94%
Magnesium~482mg~120%
Phosphorus~2855mg~286%
Potassium~22492mg~643%
Sodium2694mg112%
Zinc~7.4mg~49%
Copper~0.4mg~18%
Manganese~0.8mg~38%
Selenium~79.3mcg~113%
Fluoride~18.2mcg
Sterols
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Cholesterol~210mg~70%
Phytosterols~
Other
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Alcohol~0.0g
Water~397g
Ash~4.2g
Caffeine~0.0mg
Theobromine~0.0mg
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How would I eat if I didn't want to lose all of my muscle mass like you while dieting, Adonis?
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Hey tell me more so I can do whatever it takes so you kill yourself. We all know what you look like and you don't belong anywhere but............ well really nowhere
I had a 1.5 year layoff from training, I've been back at it for 5 weeks now - making great progress. I'll prob post my 8 week comparison. You would not last one week on the diet I am following.
You will be lazy and fat the rest of your life, you have no willpower, and no woman would ever have sex with you unless you paid them.
I guess having a life for ten years is a fair exchange for becoming a worthless fat slob for the next 40. Have fun getting around in your Walmart scooter.
Hope this helps.
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I had a 1.5 year layoff from training, I've been back at it for 5 weeks now - making great progress. I'll prob post my 8 week comparison. You would not last one week on the diet I am following.
You will be lazy and fat the rest of your life, you have no willpower, and no woman would ever have sex with you unless you paid them.
I guess having a life for ten years is a fair exchange for becoming a worthless fat slob for the next 40. Have fun getting around in your Walmart scooter.
Hope this helps.
I can vouch that you are a qualified and accomplished bodybuilder. I have seen your pics and know who you are.
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Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.
I agree with this statement. As TA pointed out before, why would one cut fruit out of a diet?
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What kind of nonsense is this, really? "A calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is NOT a Macro Nutrient."
What you're really saying is that the four calories from a gram of protein are NOT the same as the four calories from a gram of carbohydrates. Therefore a calorie is NOT a calorie.
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Take the lbs of fat lost during a specific period and multiply that by its caloric value. This will equal the total calories lost in storage for a given time frame.
Take the number of calories eaten per day. You can do an average, but a constant will provide you with incredibly accurate results. Multiply that by the given length of time. This is your total calories from food ingested during this period.
Now take the total calories lost from storage and add them with the total calories that you ingested in the time frame. This is how many calories you have effectually used in the given time period
Now take the total calories burned and divide that by the time period. The longer the time period the more accurate.
Have fun with it.
can you explain this in simpleton terms ???
are you saying to diet, simply take note of the amount of fat in lbs you want to lose - work out the calorie value of it, then divide that number by the amount of days you want to lose it in - to get a daily calorie level ??? or is there more to it?
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I personally think it should be addressed and why not? You can have a functional bodybuilding contest diet that meets and exceeds nutritional needs all the while eating foods you enjoy.
The limiting to certain foods and food groups is the problem.
Adonis, bodybuilders really don't give a crap about being "healthy" :D
and if they wanted nutrients that's what multivitamins are for ;)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0
Learn how to read and comprehend. :)
no offence TA, but in the brief read ive had, i dont see where you've addressed the sparing and wasting response that the body goes through cyclically.
i presume that that is covered because you arent stricly adhering to a fixed regime with fixed ratios?
in effect, the recommendation about the protein intake is incorrect purely due to that fact.
I also dont see where the preferential absorption sources of energy and nutrients is addressed..
what i see is an outline of what a normal, healthy diet of training and exercise can be simplistically applied- just written down in dot points and claimed as a principle.
firstly, it doesnt qualify as a principle as its not anything unique that hasnt been said before, nor is it prescriptive enough to be. It may be a guideline, or a regime, but it falls far from being a principle other than your own.
without nutrient cycling, the body's adaptive responses arent exercised, and similarly without stress cycling. You havent outlined the exercise regimes that invoke specific responses, and the timing of them.
i could go on.
basically its hardly a rant worth reading. im not sure what all the fuss from GB visitors is about.
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don't knock it till you try it
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/111/284106907_60d9fffebe.jpg?v=0)
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I had pumpkin pie for dinner tonight!!
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I had a 1.5 year layoff from training, I've been back at it for 5 weeks now - making great progress. I'll prob post my 8 week comparison. You would not last one week on the diet I am following.
You will be lazy and fat the rest of your life, you have no willpower, and no woman would ever have sex with you unless you paid them.
I guess having a life for ten years is a fair exchange for becoming a worthless fat slob for the next 40. Have fun getting around in your Walmart scooter.
Hope this helps.
Hey you are a great man I can tell. I hear it all the time especially from you. And with all your current achievements (you do have some right?) you haven't done shit compared to what I have done (that's not bragging, just facts). So keep going, live to at least 40 come back on here and tell us of all the things you have done. Till then you are someone who spends a whole lot of time on this board during supposedly the prime years of your life. So you tell me who is the loser. A fat guy who is already past his prime and who has accomplished many things wasting time on this board or a guy who is in his prime years who has accomplished nothing spending his time here. I'll take my life over yours any day of the week. 8)
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how about this ,adonis shows up on a real bbing stage in any federation natural or not using his supposed system to achieve the condition needed to compete and win.then we can close this chapter finally.times ticking adam...
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how about this ,adonis shows up on a real bbing stage in any federation natural or not using his supposed system to achieve the condition needed to compete and win.then we can close this chapter finally.times ticking adam...
Never will happen.
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Never will happen.
true,better chance of finding hoffa..
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how about adonis follows jim 'disgusted 'advice and contest plan and competes in gb4 or real show.and prove what most of us already know.
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how about adonis follows jim 'disgusted 'advice and contest plan and competes in gb4 or real show.and prove what most of us already know.
Why doesn't he just do a real bodybuilding show that's tested?
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I think he uses his internet board persona to keep Jeezumbelle. If he was to actually meet any these people who could easily shatter all his bullshit Jeezumbelle would probably leave him. Right now he has her convinced he is above everyone else and he is always right and his theories are all revolutionary. He would get destroyed by someone like Connelly, Serrano, Everson or many others out there
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Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.
if so and only if,its for 16 wks then back to more stable eating routine.bbing for contest look is not for rda,its for npc,ifbb ect.....
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Never will happen.
funny for you to say, since you're like 200lbs over weight. :-\
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ive learned over the 3 decades or so that what works for one might not work for another,then again it might.ive never had the best genetics for bodybuilding and working hard on my diet was always priorty in my bodybuilding quest.genetics are the most important thing in determining what a person can eat and get musculer with low bodyfat,some guys can live on potatoe chips and icecream and look amazing while a guy like myself needs very strict eating habits just to look decent.i think trial and error and time is the only real way to know what works for someone,im always willin to listen to anothers veiw and suggestions though,i think its important.i also think if you look great keep doin what your doin,stay with that program,dont fix it if it aint broke kinda thing
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I don't know about you guys, but there's something creepy about this Adonis dude
- his meticulous nutritional record keeping
- his cold-eyes and stone-faced poses
- his obsessive rants and posts
something is just not right
He reminds me of a serial killer waiting to stab you in the skull while he cooks you a nice pumpkin pie