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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Straw Man on April 07, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
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http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
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here we go
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I think it's more likely that that the laws of motion took a day off on 9/11.
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chemistry has a well known liberal bias
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*yawn*
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*yawn*
ditto
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ditto
maybe you should take a nap
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I think it's more likely that that the laws of motion took a day off on 9/11.
yeah, I think most people who take an honest look at the events of that day know something is fishy.
Even the two co-chairs of the 911 Commission want a new investigation. They're more pissed about pakistan paying Atta $100k (making it a conspiracy involving a govt) than they are about the physical evidence, but kean admits there is a lot of info that he was never given about the collapse, and people who weren't allowed to testify, but should have been, like Rodriguez in the basement.
Although I guess some people on getbig's political forum know more about 9/11 than Kean and hamilton.
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yeah, I think most people who take an honest look at the events of that day know something is fishy.
Even the two co-chairs of the 911 Commission want a new investigation. They're more pissed about pakistan paying Atta $100k (making it a conspiracy involving a govt) than they are about the physical evidence, but kean admits there is a lot of info that he was never given about the collapse, and people who weren't allowed to testify, but should have been, like Rodriguez in the basement.
Although I guess some people on getbig's political forum know more about 9/11 than Kean and hamilton.
We'll be lucky if we reach 70 and hear some report or 'investigation'...
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Ok, who has a copy of that guy slapping his forehead and saying "Ah jeez, not this shit again"...
Anyone?
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(http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/notagain.jpg)
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LOL!
NT
:)
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doesnt suprise me in the least. i wouldnt doubt it
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April 4, 2009
used in steel welding
enough said
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maybe you should take a nap
Nah. I'm too busy closing in on the secret government agents who carried out 911. :)
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enough said
I noticed that too in the article--"thermite" is used in steel welding--so why is this story even news, except to die-hard 9/11 CT fanatics???
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Danish scientist has found THERMITE in World Trade dust, proves it was no accident that caused collapse. Says much of Europe knows the official US story is a LIE
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19805 - Lots of info
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scientific evidence by a foreign scientist, what more do you want?
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Your point is what???
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Science is Anti American >:(
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I always hear from the doubters that gov. is so stupid and inefficient there's no way that 9/11's attack could have been a conspiracy.
That's the same blanket rationale used as justification for almost all rightwing political initiatives.
Gov. isn't incompetent. The FOIA works pretty lamely at exposing gov. secrets. Why is there such a thriving X-files sub-culture?
B/c gov. can keep a secret pretty damn well.
Personally, I believe the 9/11 attacks were allowed to happen. Why do I believe that? Here's why:
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, through mutual support arrangements with other commands.
http://www.norad.mil/about/index.html
NORAD knew what was happening. It had to know. Hijacked planes requiring 45+ minutes to reach their targets in the most protected air space in the world would be discovered, tracked and shot down.
It is inconceivable that a series of failures allowed the attacks of 9/11 to happen.
Then we have strange acts that follow up the attacks: Bush continues to read a story to children in fl after he is told a second plane has hit the world trade center and that our country is indeed under attack.
That's pretty strange.
Then the 9/11 site is cleared before it can be properly investigated.
That's odd.
Then Bush and Cheney ask the Congress to forgo any investigation into how the attacks happened.
That's really fucking strange.
Can everybody see why reasonable people might think that something is afoot?
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lololol
OK- Your theory is almost as absurd as the other CT's on here. But I will say this. At least you dont think it was an inside job where the government planted explosives in the twin towers.
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I always hear from the doubters that gov. is so stupid and inefficient there's no way that 9/11's attack could have been a conspiracy.
That's the same blanket rationale used as justification for almost all rightwing political initiatives.
Gov. isn't incompetent. The FOIA works pretty lamely at exposing gov. secrets. Why is there such a thriving X-files sub-culture?
B/c gov. can keep a secret pretty damn well.
Personally, I believe the 9/11 attacks were allowed to happen. Why do I believe that? Here's why:
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, through mutual support arrangements with other commands.
http://www.norad.mil/about/index.html
NORAD knew what was happening. It had to know. Hijacked planes requiring 45+ minutes to reach their targets in the most protected air space in the world would be discovered, tracked and shot down.
It is inconceivable that a series of failures allowed the attacks of 9/11 to happen.
Then we have strange acts that follow up the attacks: Bush continues to read a story to children in fl after he is told a second plane has hit the world trade center and that our country is indeed under attack.
That's pretty strange.
Then the 9/11 site is cleared before it can be properly investigated.
That's odd.
Then Bush and Cheney ask the Congress to forgo any investigation into how the attacks happened.
That's really fucking strange.
Can everybody see why reasonable people might think that something is afoot?
It's possible they were "allowed" but not because NORAD purposely let the planes go. NORAD is a pretty big place and quite a lot of people are involved in what goes on there. The defense posture on that day was for a soviet attack from the Atlantic not a domestic hijacking with intent to use the planes as weapons.
The "cover up" is about massive failures by our military and government.
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Danish is a fucking UGLY language.
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But they are a great breakfast pastry.
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Danish is a fucking UGLY language.
The funny thing is ...The Danes think the same of English...
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It's possible they were "allowed" but not because NORAD purposely let the planes go. NORAD is a pretty big place and quite a lot of people are involved in what goes on there. The defense posture on that day was for a soviet attack from the Atlantic not a domestic hijacking with intent to use the planes as weapons.
The "cover up" is about massive failures by our military and government.
NORAD exists for situations exactly like the events of 9/11. It just does not pass the smell test.
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The funny thing is ...The Danes think the same of English...
I doubt it. Admittedly I only had a semester of it but it was enough. Danish is universally acknowledged to sound like shit and it is even worse when you understand some of it, which I unfortunately do; it makes pretty Scandinavian languages like Swedish look bad... :-X
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NORAD exists for situations exactly like the events of 9/11. It just does not pass the smell test.
Maybe now. But then absolutely not. It's whole defense posture was from attack by the Soviets from the Atlantic.
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Danish is a fucking UGLY language.
No shit. Sounds like audio played in reverse.
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*yawn*
ditto
maybe you should take a nap
No need, they are already asleep, like the good little 'Goyim' sheep they are.
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No need, they are already asleep..
good point
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The funny thing is ...The Danes think the same of English...
How many countries in the world speak Danish (oh, except Denmark that is) ??
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How many countries in the world speak Danish (oh, except Denmark that is) ??
How many countries speak PATOIS
Hoe many countries speak GAELICK
How many countries speak SWAHILI
How many countries speak TWEE
Ho many counties speak FRENCH
How many countries speak CHINESE: MANDARIN/CANTONESE
How many countries speak ITALIAN
How many countries speak GERMAN
How many countires speak JAPANESE
How many countries speak RUSSIAN
etc
etc
etc
You get my point??... Now what is your point???
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Why did the company - "controlled demolition' take all the debris away from ground Zero, before any, independent, metallurgists, chemical engineers, had a chance to inspect it for residues of any kind.
Same company came in to dispose of the left overs of the 'Alfred P. Murrah Federal '
for the same reason 'IMO'.
Refute the evidence or get another 'Bud' from the fridge & put the game on the plasma screen, você é desligado já & você é demasiado distante ido !!
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How many countries speak PATOIS
Hoe many countries speak GAELICK
How many countries speak SWAHILI
How many countries speak TWEE
Ho many counties speak FRENCH
How many countries speak CHINESE: MANDARIN/CANTONESE
How many countries speak ITALIAN
How many countries speak GERMAN
How many countires speak JAPANESE
How many countries speak RUSSIAN
etc
etc
etc
You get my point??... Now what is your point???
Oh my, almost tempted to use the 'M' word !!
Point ??
Oh yeah, shit loads (English speaking countries).
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A 9/11 CT thread getting hijacked by Language topics.......I love it!
Did the mods knowingly let this happen?
Wait, I'm a mod. Chit, no comment and an investigation isn't needed.
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yeah, I think most people who take an honest look at the events of that day know something is fishy.
Even the two co-chairs of the 911 Commission want a new investigation. They're more pissed about pakistan paying Atta $100k (making it a conspiracy involving a govt)
Not really.
Director of Pakistani Intelligence (ISI), 'Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed', was the gentleman in question.
That would be a bit like saying 'MI6' pulled some shenanigans in N.Ireland & blaming 'G.Brown'.
Dodgy, yes !! GOV involvement, no !!
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A 9/11 CT thread getting hijacked by Language topics.......I love it!
Did the mods knowingly let this happen?
Wait, I'm a mod. Chit, no comment and an investigation isn't needed.
LOLz.
Yeah a bit 'OT' my bad.
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LOLz.
Yeah a bit 'OT' my bad.
No worries.
Threads go where they go. I hate the Hijack police! ;D
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Why did the compact "controlled demolition' take all the debris away from ground Zero, before any, independent, metallurgists, chemical engineers, had a chance to inspect it for residues of any kind.
Same company came in to dispose of the left overs of the 'Alfred P. Murrah Federal '
for the same reason 'IMO'.
Refute the evidence or get another 'Bud' from the fridge & put the game on the plasma screen, você é desligado já & você é demasiado distante ido !!
there was lots of material. Hell even Steve Jones managed to get some.
I was waiting for the right time to post this.
Even Steve Jones has had to admit that the pools of metal under the trade center weren't steel.
Which is the fundamental point of his argument.
The conspiracy once again goes flat on its face.
Don't worry though all you little CT'ers someone else will make a slightly plausible story about what happens with no direct proof.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
11. Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the crashed plane although aluminum burns with a white glow?
NIST reported (NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.
Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
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How many countries speak PATOIS
Hoe many countries speak GAELICK
How many countries speak SWAHILI
How many countries speak TWEE
Ho many counties speak FRENCH
How many countries speak CHINESE: MANDARIN/CANTONESE
How many countries speak ITALIAN
How many countries speak GERMAN
How many countires speak JAPANESE
How many countries speak RUSSIAN
etc
etc
etc
You get my point??... Now what is your point???
Several countries speak Russian and several speak French; they are international languages.
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Several countries speak Russian and several speak French; they are international languages.
Name the countries were the official language is French or Russian other than France or Russia?
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there was lots of material. Hell even Steve Jones managed to get some.
I was waiting for the right time to post this.
Even Steve Jones has had to admit that the pools of metal under the trade center weren't steel.
Which is the fundamental point of his argument.
The conspiracy once again goes flat on its face.
OK, back to game face mode.
So, as I have done many times before, I will ask you 1 question...........
What did happen that fateful day in Sept ??
In your opinion of course.
Let the games begin !! LOLOLOLOLz.............. ............ ;D
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The conspiracy once again goes flat on its face.
The conspiracy has masochist tendencies.
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OK, back to game face mode.
So, as I have done many times before, I will ask you 1 question...........
What did happen that fateful day in Sept ??
In your opinion of course.
Let the games begin !! LOLOLOLOLz.............. ............ ;D
Why not just say "we don't yet have enough evidence to draw a conclusion"
No need to develop a CT just to be able to look at information
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OK, back to game face mode.
So, as I have done many times before, I will ask you 1 question...........
What did happen that fateful day in Sept ??
In your opinion of course.
Let the games begin !! LOLOLOLOLz.............. ............ ;D
That is not a question I need to answer since the 9-11 commission and NIST has already covered this.
It is up to you the conspiracy theorists to come up with one plausible theory that actually has some burden of proof connect to it.
Wing nut theories don't mean much.
For example prove that Atta was working for the CIA and was being paid to plan 9-11.
Prove that there was someone planting explosives.
Prove that the planes were controlled by remote control.
Prove something.
As I already stated Steven Jones has been proved wrong.
The remote control and missile theories are also proved wrong.
The most plausible thing is that the FBI wanted to wire tap Americans leading up to 9-11 and were denied.
Therefore the terrorists planning 9-11 within the US could do so under a cloak of secrecy. Thankfully Bush fixed this.
It appears that congress was trying to push trough some bills that would have allowed for closer surveillance of the people that perpetrated this act, but they were denied by Judges and some members of congress.
My theory is that 19 people boarded 4 planes and hijacked them. 2 hit the towers. 1 hit the pentagon and 1 hit Pennsylvania.
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Name the countries were the official language is French or Russian other than France or Russia?
French
Country Status Year joined Official language Notes
Albania member 1999 Albanian approximately 30% of young Albanians choose French as their first foreign language[11]
Andorra member 2004 Catalan President of France is co-Prince of Andorra
Armenia associate member 2004[12] Armenian Armenian culture is tied to France via the Franco-Armenian dynasty of the Kingdom of Cilicia during the Middle Ages and the large Armenian community in France. See also: Franco-Armenian relations
Belgium member 1970 officially trilingual, French included French is the native language of about 40% of the population. [13]. Belgium's French community is also a member separately.
* French Community of Belgium member 1980 French official language a community of Belgium with its two components Wallonia (excepting the German speaking Community and Brussels-Capital Region [its French-Speaking majority])
Benin member 1970 French former French colony
Bulgaria member 1993 Bulgarian French is spoken by 9% as additional language
Burkina Faso member 1970 French former French colony
Burundi member 1970 French former Belgian UN-protectorate
Cambodia member 1993 Khmer former French colony
Cameroon member 1991 officially bilingual, French included over 90% of country was a French colony
Canada member 1970 Officially bilingual, French included the provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick are participating governments; much of Quebec, Ontario and the Maritimes formed part of former French Colonies (as part of New France and Acadia). As of 2004, a government representative from Ontario also attends as part of the Canadian delegation, although Ontario is not yet a participating government in its own right.
* New Brunswick participating government 1977 officially bilingual, French included province of Canada; former French colony Acadia, New France.
* Quebec participating government 1971 French province of Canada; former French colony Canada, New France.
Cape Verde member 1996 Portuguese Former Portuguese colony with many neighboring French-speaking countries.
Central African Republic member 1973 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Chad member 1970 French former French colony
Comoros member 1977 officially trilingual, French included former French colony
Democratic Republic of the Congo member 1977 French former Belgian colony
Republic of the Congo member 1981 French former French colony
Côte d'Ivoire member 1970 French former French colony
Djibouti member 1977 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Dominica member 1979 English French and then British colony; Antillean Creole, a French-based creole language, is spoken by 90% of the population.
Egypt member 1983 Arabic traditional Francophone elite
Equatorial Guinea member 1989 officially bilingual, French included Former Spanish colony surrounded by French-speaking countries; member of the CFA.
Republic of Macedonia member 2001 Macedonian French is taught as a second language in many Macedonian schools throughout the country.
France member 1970 French
Gabon member 1970 French former French colony
Greece member 2004 Greek French is understood and spoken by 8% of the population
Guinea member 1981 French former French colony
Guinea-Bissau member 1979 Portuguese country surrounded by French-speaking countries. Former Portuguese colony
Haiti member 1970 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Laos member 1991 Lao former French colony
Lebanon member 1973 Arabic; French is an administrative language Under a French mandate from 1920-1943, French language used in schools and universities, and is understood by the majority of the population.
Luxembourg member 1970 Officially trilingual, French included
Madagascar member 1970-1977
1989 officially trilingual, French included former French colony
Mali member 1970 French former French colony
Mauritania member 1980 Arabic former French colony, French is an administrative language
Mauritius member 1970 English; Creole is the mother tongue of the general population. Dutch, French, and then British colony; French is widely used by the media.
Moldova member 1996 Romanian
Monaco member 1970 French former French protectorate
Morocco member 1981 Arabic former French protectorate; French is commonly used
guy member 1970 French former French colony
Romania member 1993 Romanian French is understood and spoken by 24% of the population [2]. Historic cultural ties with France, especially during the late 19th century and early 20th century.
Rwanda member 1970 officially trilingual, French included former Belgian UN-protectorate
Saint Lucia member 1981 English Former French and British colony. Antillean Creole, a French-based creole language, is spoken by 90% of the population.
São Tomé and Príncipe member 1999 Portuguese Former Portuguese colony, neighboring French-speaking countries.
Senegal member 1970 French former French colony
Seychelles member 1976 officially trilingual, French included former French colony (first empire), later British colony, French is commonly used
Switzerland member 1996 Officially quadrilingual, French included French is the native language of about 20% of all Swiss.
Togo member 1970 French former French colony
Tunisia member 1970 Arabic former French protectorate; French is commonly used
Vanuatu member 1979 officially trilingual former French and British condominium
Vietnam member 1970 Vietnamese former French colony
Cyprus associate member 2006 Greek,Turkish French is understood and spoken by 12% of the population; Historical ties through the Lusignan rule of the Kingdom of Cyprus during the Middle Ages.
Ghana associate member 2006 English country surrounded by French-speaking countries
Russian
Kazakhstan is ethnically and culturally diverse, in part due to mass deportations of many ethnic groups to the country during Stalin's rule. Kazakhs are the largest group, followed by Russians. Kazakhstan allows freedom of religion, and many different beliefs are represented in the country. Islam is the primary religion, followed by Orthodox Christianity. Kazakh language has the status of the "state" language, while Russian is declared the "official" language and used in everyday business.[9][10]
Kyrgyzstan: Official languages Kyrgyz (State), Russian (Official)[1]
The Uzbek language is the only official state language.[43] The Tajik language is widespread in the cities of Bukhara and Samarqand because of their relatively large population of ethnic Tajiks.[44] Russian is still an important language for interethnic communication, especially in the cities, including much day-to-day technical, scientific, governmental and business use. Russian is the main language of over 14% of the population and is spoken as a second language by many more.[citation needed] The use of Russian in remote rural areas has always been limited, and today school children have no proficiency in Russian even in urban centers.
Turkmen is the official language of Turkmenistan (per the 1992 Constitution), although Russian still is widely spoken in cities as a "language of inter-ethnic communication". Turkmen is spoken by 72% of the population, Russian 12%, Uzbek 9%, and other languages 7%.[3]
Seriously, go back to school and get an education. Belgium and Switzerland should have hit you right in the face for France (never mind Africa and Latin America as well as Asia) and all he -stans should have hit you in the face for Russian. Embarrassing for you that is...
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A 9/11 CT thread getting hijacked by Language topics.......I love it!
Did the mods knowingly let this happen?
Wait, I'm a mod. Chit, no comment and an investigation isn't needed.
Oh great. You talked. >:(
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French
Country Status Year joined Official language Notes
Albania member 1999 Albanian approximately 30% of young Albanians choose French as their first foreign language[11]
Andorra member 2004 Catalan President of France is co-Prince of Andorra
Armenia associate member 2004[12] Armenian Armenian culture is tied to France via the Franco-Armenian dynasty of the Kingdom of Cilicia during the Middle Ages and the large Armenian community in France. See also: Franco-Armenian relations
Belgium member 1970 officially trilingual, French included French is the native language of about 40% of the population. [13]. Belgium's French community is also a member separately.
* French Community of Belgium member 1980 French official language a community of Belgium with its two components Wallonia (excepting the German speaking Community and Brussels-Capital Region [its French-Speaking majority])
Benin member 1970 French former French colony
Bulgaria member 1993 Bulgarian French is spoken by 9% as additional language
Burkina Faso member 1970 French former French colony
Burundi member 1970 French former Belgian UN-protectorate
Cambodia member 1993 Khmer former French colony
Cameroon member 1991 officially bilingual, French included over 90% of country was a French colony
Canada member 1970 Officially bilingual, French included the provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick are participating governments; much of Quebec, Ontario and the Maritimes formed part of former French Colonies (as part of New France and Acadia). As of 2004, a government representative from Ontario also attends as part of the Canadian delegation, although Ontario is not yet a participating government in its own right.
* New Brunswick participating government 1977 officially bilingual, French included province of Canada; former French colony Acadia, New France.
* Quebec participating government 1971 French province of Canada; former French colony Canada, New France.
Cape Verde member 1996 Portuguese Former Portuguese colony with many neighboring French-speaking countries.
Central African Republic member 1973 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Chad member 1970 French former French colony
Comoros member 1977 officially trilingual, French included former French colony
Democratic Republic of the Congo member 1977 French former Belgian colony
Republic of the Congo member 1981 French former French colony
Côte d'Ivoire member 1970 French former French colony
Djibouti member 1977 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Dominica member 1979 English French and then British colony; Antillean Creole, a French-based creole language, is spoken by 90% of the population.
Egypt member 1983 Arabic traditional Francophone elite
Equatorial Guinea member 1989 officially bilingual, French included Former Spanish colony surrounded by French-speaking countries; member of the CFA.
Republic of Macedonia member 2001 Macedonian French is taught as a second language in many Macedonian schools throughout the country.
France member 1970 French
Gabon member 1970 French former French colony
Greece member 2004 Greek French is understood and spoken by 8% of the population
Guinea member 1981 French former French colony
Guinea-Bissau member 1979 Portuguese country surrounded by French-speaking countries. Former Portuguese colony
Haiti member 1970 officially bilingual, French included former French colony
Laos member 1991 Lao former French colony
Lebanon member 1973 Arabic; French is an administrative language Under a French mandate from 1920-1943, French language used in schools and universities, and is understood by the majority of the population.
Luxembourg member 1970 Officially trilingual, French included
Madagascar member 1970-1977
1989 officially trilingual, French included former French colony
Mali member 1970 French former French colony
Mauritania member 1980 Arabic former French colony, French is an administrative language
Mauritius member 1970 English; Creole is the mother tongue of the general population. Dutch, French, and then British colony; French is widely used by the media.
Moldova member 1996 Romanian
Monaco member 1970 French former French protectorate
Morocco member 1981 Arabic former French protectorate; French is commonly used
guy member 1970 French former French colony
Romania member 1993 Romanian French is understood and spoken by 24% of the population [2]. Historic cultural ties with France, especially during the late 19th century and early 20th century.
Rwanda member 1970 officially trilingual, French included former Belgian UN-protectorate
Saint Lucia member 1981 English Former French and British colony. Antillean Creole, a French-based creole language, is spoken by 90% of the population.
São Tomé and Príncipe member 1999 Portuguese Former Portuguese colony, neighboring French-speaking countries.
Senegal member 1970 French former French colony
Seychelles member 1976 officially trilingual, French included former French colony (first empire), later British colony, French is commonly used
Switzerland member 1996 Officially quadrilingual, French included French is the native language of about 20% of all Swiss.
Togo member 1970 French former French colony
Tunisia member 1970 Arabic former French protectorate; French is commonly used
Vanuatu member 1979 officially trilingual former French and British condominium
Vietnam member 1970 Vietnamese former French colony
Cyprus associate member 2006 Greek,Turkish French is understood and spoken by 12% of the population; Historical ties through the Lusignan rule of the Kingdom of Cyprus during the Middle Ages.
Ghana associate member 2006 English country surrounded by French-speaking countries
Russian
Kazakhstan is ethnically and culturally diverse, in part due to mass deportations of many ethnic groups to the country during Stalin's rule. Kazakhs are the largest group, followed by Russians. Kazakhstan allows freedom of religion, and many different beliefs are represented in the country. Islam is the primary religion, followed by Orthodox Christianity. Kazakh language has the status of the "state" language, while Russian is declared the "official" language and used in everyday business.[9][10]
Kyrgyzstan: Official languages Kyrgyz (State), Russian (Official)[1]
The Uzbek language is the only official state language.[43] The Tajik language is widespread in the cities of Bukhara and Samarqand because of their relatively large population of ethnic Tajiks.[44] Russian is still an important language for interethnic communication, especially in the cities, including much day-to-day technical, scientific, governmental and business use. Russian is the main language of over 14% of the population and is spoken as a second language by many more.[citation needed] The use of Russian in remote rural areas has always been limited, and today school children have no proficiency in Russian even in urban centers.
Turkmen is the official language of Turkmenistan (per the 1992 Constitution), although Russian still is widely spoken in cities as a "language of inter-ethnic communication". Turkmen is spoken by 72% of the population, Russian 12%, Uzbek 9%, and other languages 7%.[3]
Seriously, go back to school and get an education. Belgium and Switzerland should have hit you right in the face for France (never mind Africa and Latin America as well as Asia) and all he -stans should have hit you in the face for Russian. Embarrassing for you that is...
MORON...THese "nations" many of which are break away republics of Russia or former French colonies don't speak Russsian or French as their primary language...your own statistics show 4%, 9% 20 % yadda yadda. These countries had/have their own languages and the few who do speak other languages are those most effected by the colonization of their nation by France or Russia. THe Vietnamese DO NOT SPEAK FRENCH despite the French colonizing their nation until the Vietnamese kicked their asses out. The same has been done in Haiti where Patoi is the language which is a combination of French, Spanish and English...what did the Haitians speak before the INVADERS came??? And even Patoi is hard to understand by the French. Russian is spoken in a few former satellite nations in what is now eastern Europe...thanks to the colonization, but there are many people who still speak their original tongue in those lands. and as they seperate themselves more from their former occupiers, they return to their original tongues.
Nonetheless this argument has gone away from the topic which is ACTIVE THERMITE into stupefying argument started over a clown not liking the Danish language... Back to the topic..
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MORON...THese "nations" many of which are break away republics of Russia or former French colonies don't speak Russsian or French as their primary language...your own statistics show 4%, 9% 20 % yadda yadda. These countries had/have their own languages and the few who do speak other languages are those most effected by the colonization of their nation by France or Russia. THe Vietnamese DO NOT SPEAK FRENCH despite the French colonizing their nation until the Vietnamese kicked their asses out. The same has been done in Haiti where Patoi is the language which is a combination of French, Spanish and English...what did the Haitians speak before the INVADERS came??? And even Patoi is hard to understand by the French. Russian is spoken in a few former satellite nations in what is now eastern Europe...thanks to the colonization, but there are many people who still speak their original tongue in those lands. and as they seperate themselves more from their former occupiers, they return to their original tongues.
Nonetheless this argument has gone away from the topic which is ACTIVE THERMITE into stupefying argument started over a clown not liking the Danish language... Back to the topic..
Everything I cited is current and Belgium and Switzerland were never colonies of France. I did not highlight Vietnam for that very reason; they have given up French. I personally know Khazaks here who spend all day speaking Russian, NOT the Turkic language of the country.
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MORON...THese "nations" many of which are break away republics of Russia or former French colonies don't speak Russsian or French as their primary language...your own statistics show 4%, 9% 20 % yadda yadda. These countries had/have their own languages and the few who do speak other languages are those most effected by the colonization of their nation by France or Russia. THe Vietnamese DO NOT SPEAK FRENCH despite the French colonizing their nation until the Vietnamese kicked their asses out. The same has been done in Haiti where Patoi is the language which is a combination of French, Spanish and English...what did the Haitians speak before the INVADERS came??? And even Patoi is hard to understand by the French. Russian is spoken in a few former satellite nations in what is now eastern Europe...thanks to the colonization, but there are many people who still speak their original tongue in those lands. and as they seperate themselves more from their former occupiers, they return to their original tongues.
Nonetheless this argument has gone away from the topic which is ACTIVE THERMITE into stupefying argument started over a clown not liking the Danish language... Back to the topic..
Got to rural Quebec and try to use English.
Quebec is 80% french and has the language laws to prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_demographics_of_Quebec
Its because arguing about language is far more interesting, then some people that don't even know what thermite is, proposing a wack job theory that even the creator has had to admit doesn't hold up, melting pools of steel " oh I mean metal that may or may not be steel".
We should investigate air now because a strong wind gust can bring down a building and there might have been a tornado, but all of the twisted steel was removed and we can't investigate air residue.
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That is not a question I need to answer since the 9-11 commission and NIST has already covered this.
I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commission" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.
It is up to you the conspiracy theorists to come up with one plausible theory that actually has some burden of proof connect to it.
That is going to be virtually impossible, & you know it, oh & I am not a 'CT' either.
'Judicial systems' work on never having seen a crime take place, however, you do get to review an amount of evidence & make up your mind to a level deemed 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
That is our task at hand.
We are not far of 10 years down the road, there has been so much diss-info pumped out there it's not funny.
You have to play detective, & go back to basics.
Who had to most to gain out of the events of that day ??
As I already stated Steven Jones has been proved wrong.
The remote control and missile theories are also proved wrong.
Incorrect, nothing of the sort my man, you are going to need to do better than this.
Your ball.
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I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commission" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.
If you take the time to look at the facts. Oswald easily made a pre-sighted shot with expert marksman skills he achieved in the military.
Try the bolt action test your self. 3 shots in 8 seconds.
Bang!
timer starts
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang!
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang
PS 'Verille Zaitsev' would have nailed him on the first shot.
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I beg to differ old chasp.
You may as well just go get the 'Warren commision" & try & convince us that 'Oswald' shot 'JFK' from a window in the book depository building, with a 'single bolt action 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle', a shot that 'Verille Zaitsev' himself could not have made !!
I mean, come on.
That is going to be virtually impossible, & you know it.
'Judicial systems' work on never having seen a crime take place, however, you do get to review an amount of evidence & make up your mind to a level deemed 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
That is our task at hand.
We are not far of 10 years down the road, there has been so much diss-info pumped out there it's not funny.
You have to play detective, & go back to basics.
Who had to most to gain out of the events of that day ??
Incorrect, nothing of the sort my man, you are going to need to do better than this.
Your ball.
I proved through Steve Jones own writing that he is wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.
The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
You can keep believing in it. I hear that Santa and the Easter Bunny are looking for believers too.
As for me I believe that 19 hijackers and 4 planes were used that day. That there were some warning signs, but the CIA and FBI couldn't operate together because of their organizational rules and that wire tapping of American residents wasn't allowed because the government didn't have a strong enough case.
This all came out during the Moussaoui trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui
On August 16, 2001, Moussaoui was arrested by Harry Samit of the FBI and INS agents in Minnesota and charged with an immigration violation[15]. Materials itemized when he was arrested included a laptop computer, two knives, flight manuals pertaining to Boeing's 747 aircraft, a flight simulator computer program, fighting gloves and shin guards, and a computer disk with information about crop dusting.[15]
Some agents worried that his flight training had violent intentions, so the Minnesota bureau tried to get permission (sending over 70 emails in a week) to search his laptop, but they were turned down.[16] FBI agent Coleen Rowley made an explicit request for permission to search Moussaoui's personal rooms. This request was first denied by her superior, Deputy General Counsel Marion "Spike" Bowman, and later rejected based upon FISA regulations (amended after 9/11 by the USA Patriot Act). Several further search attempts similarly failed.
FBI watchdog Sen. Chuck Grassley, Republican-Iowa, later wrote to FBI Director Robert Mueller:
If the application for the FISA warrant had gone forward, agents would have found information in Moussaoui's belongings that linked him both to a major financier of the hijacking plot working out of Germany, and to a Malaysian al-Qaida boss who had met with at least two other hijackers while under surveillance by intelligence officials.
I agree with Ozmo on the whole JFK thing.
However this is the same deflect technique that seems all the rage with truthers. Move to another almost plausible conspiracy then try to link it to the one that you are arguing.
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?
Lets flip it and say that there wasn't enough American intervention.
Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998.
Bush senior should have finished his invasion in Iraq in 1990.
The Americans shouldn't have disengaged Haiti.
All of these things would have saved countless lives and money.
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Lets flip it and say that there wasn't enough American intervention.
Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998.
Bush senior should have finished his invasion in Iraq in 1990.
The Americans shouldn't have disengaged Haiti.
All of these things would have saved countless lives and money.
Well, technically 9/11 could be traced all the way back to 1953. At what point do we stop intervening?
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http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/i-am-in-very-good-company-prof-jones-and-the-evidence-of-thermite/
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Well, technically 9/11 could be traced all the way back to 1953. At what point do we stop intervening?
When does intervention start to become occupation.
My answer would be just before then.
I like the South Korea or European model of intervention.
Sign a status of forces agreement, then prop up the government.
For that matter. America and Britain should have reinstalled the shah in Iran.
This would have stopped the 1980's war with Iraq.
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http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/i-am-in-very-good-company-prof-jones-and-the-evidence-of-thermite/
Post the text.
Oh wait. He already did and in this supposed peer reviewed document.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
It seems his paper hasn't been peer reviewed after all.
Because Steve Jones was wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.
The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
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When does intervention start to become occupation.
My answer would be just before then.
I like the South Korea or European model of intervention.
Sign a status of forces agreement, then prop up the government.
For that matter. America and Britain should have reinstalled the shah in Iran.
This would have stopped the 1980's war with Iraq.
Wow...we have VERY different takes on things... :o
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Everything I cited is current and Belgium and Switzerland were never colonies of France. I did not highlight Vietnam for that very reason; they have given up French. I personally know Khazaks here who spend all day speaking Russian, NOT the Turkic language of the country.
Much of the info you posted is almost 40 YEARS OLD... some are ten to 15 years old, but nonetheless OLD. These countries have switched languages and customs since their oppressors/occupiers have left. Eee Gad
Got to rural Quebec and try to use English.
Quebec is 80% french and has the language laws to prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_demographics_of_Quebec
Its because arguing about language is far more interesting, then some people that don't even know what thermite is, proposing a wack job theory that even the creator has had to admit doesn't hold up, melting pools of steel " oh I mean metal that may or may not be steel".
We should investigate air now because a strong wind gust can bring down a building and there might have been a tornado, but all of the twisted steel was removed and we can't investigate air residue.
UH..Quebec is a province in the COUNTRY of Canada. They MADE French the official language after English started to become the tongue of choice. The mandatory teaching of French starts in school children and works it way to the adults assuring the language's survival....otherwise English would be spoken like the rest of Canada.
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Much of the info you posted is almost 40 YEARS OLD... some are ten to 15 years old, but nonetheless OLD. These countries have switched languages and customs since their oppressors/occupiers have left. Eee Gad
UH..Quebec is a province in the COUNTRY of Canada. They MADE French the official language after English started to become the tongue of choice. The mandatory teaching of French starts in school children and works it way to the adults assuring the language's survival....otherwise English would be spoken like the rest of Canada.
Quebec has been french since it was founded by Champlain you moron.
Which precedes the Brits.
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=112881491
Also the Quebecois are a nation in a united Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/27/nation-vote.html
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Post the text.
Oh wait. He already did and in this supposed peer reviewed document.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
It seems his paper hasn't been peer reviewed after all.
Because Steve Jones was wrong.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down
in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to
subterranean fires after the collapses.
The NIST report refuted this. Now Steven Jones agrees with the NIST report.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
You see, for every claim/reference you provide.
I will provide an equally convincing counter claim/reference
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
There in lies our dichotomy !!
We could pass this Ball back & forth for 50 pages & get no-where.
As I have already stated "the amount of diss-info that is now in circulation, neigh on a decade later leaves this entire point moot !!
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PT -- nós somos todos os unbelievers.
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You see, for every claim/reference you provide.
I will provide an equally convincing counter claim/reference
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
There in lies our dichotomy !!
We could pass this Ball back & forth for 50 pages & get no-where.
As I have already stated "the amount of diss-info that is now in circulation, neigh on a decade later leaves this entire point moot !!
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PT -- nós somos todos os unbelievers.
The difference is that I post the materials that you conspiracy people are following right from Steve Jones's website.
notice the direct links to journalism of 9-11 links.
You add more conspiracy crap.
Again Steve Jones has already said his information isn't peer reviewed.
The article you posted was from Steve Jones.
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Name the countries were the official language is French or Russian other than France or Russia?
{pssst}
French: - Canada, Benin, Cote D'Ivoire, Haiti, Switzerland, etc
Russian: - Khazakstan
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{pssst}
French: - Canada, Benin, Cote D'Ivoire, Haiti, Switzerland, etc
Russian: - Khazakstan
I already named all those countries and more Ms. Swindler.
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I already named all those countries and more.
I was only responding to a ridiculous statement, ...but hadn't yet read your post.
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The difference is that I post the materials that you conspiracy people are following right from Steve Jones's website.
notice the direct links to journalism of 9-11 links.
You add more conspiracy crap.
Again Steve Jones has already said his information isn't peer reviewed.
The article you posted was from Steve Jones.
ENGLISH & LOGIC NOT YOUR STRONG POINT ??
I am, first of all NOT a 'CT' as I have stated.
2'nd you are citing GOV documentation (that was the end for me).
But most important of all, are the facts that stare us in the face.
The pipe-line is on track - Iraq now has permanent military bases (made of concrete) this was never going to happen (BUSH) & Opium production has gone up every single year since 2003 - we are now at well over a 1000% up on 2002 harvests !!
I rest - MY FUCKING CASE YOUR HONOR.
I could put you in touch with a guy called 'Lion-Axe' - he could bore the paint off a wall with this shit.
You 2 would get on fro hours - weeks of e-mail exchanges on the finer detail - every subtle nuance.
Personally at neigh on a decade later, I am bored of the whole fucking episode.
Bush is gone, 'Obama' is in, & as Micheal Moor will no doubt tell you in his next (EPIC, ::) shill - movie) problem solved !!
The Diamond part of this game plan is that you will buy it.
Thanks for playing.
Now get another 'Bud' from the fridge & put the game on the '30 ft Plasma screen' - go back to the herd moron ( ruff-ruff-woof - sheep dog herding sounds).
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I was only responding to a ridiculous statement, ...but hadn't yet read your post.
Gotta love the on going linguistic diatribe, slap bang in the middle of a 9/11 thread, FFS !!
Only on Get-Big ::) ;D ;)
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If you take the time to look at the facts. Oswald easily made a pre-sighted shot with expert marksman skills he achieved in the military.
Try the bolt action test your self. 3 shots in 8 seconds.
Bang!
timer starts
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang!
Bolt action
find target again (easy because you just shot at it)
Bang
PS 'Verille Zaitsev' would have nailed him on the first shot.
1 major issue with your little theory here (sorry for the tardy response, only just saw it ::) )
Have you been & looked out of the window in question ??
You can not even see the road, from that position - no sniper in his right mind would have picked that for 'eyes on target' 'LUP' no in a Million years, mate ~ !!
This of course is now impossible, because the powers that be have put a - BIG - Glass display case full of facts about 'LHO' blocking you from doing so !!
I wonder why ?? ??? ::)
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Let's make this more interesting. I am not a conspiracist ??. I do believe however that US foreign policy was the primary cause of the attack. What do people think of that?
Go do some reading on 'Zibignew Brzezinski' & his involvment in the 'Russian Afghan war'
Now look at who is behind the (Wizard of OZ) screen pulling 'Obama's' US foreign policy strings.
His own book Brzezinski - 'the grand chess board' - will answer a lot of your questions in his own words.
Then take a closer look.
What do he & H.Kissinger share, as far as commonality ?? ;D
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ENGLISH & LOGIC NOT YOUR STRONG POINT ??
I am, first of all NOT a 'CT' as I have stated.
2'nd you are citing GOV documentation (that was the end for me).
But most important of all, are the facts that stare us in the face.
The pipe-line is on track - Iraq now has permanent military bases (made of concrete) this was never going to happen (BUSH) & Opium production has gone up every single year since 2003 - we are now at well over a 1000% up on 2002 harvests !!
I rest - MY FUCKING CASE YOUR HONOR.
I could put you in touch with a guy called 'Lion-Axe' - he could bore the paint off a wall with this shit.
You 2 would get on fro hours - weeks of e-mail exchanges on the finer detail - every subtle nuance.
Personally at neigh on a decade later, I am bored of the whole fucking episode.
Bush is gone, 'Obama' is in, & as Micheal Moor will no doubt tell you in his next (EPIC, ::) shill - movie) problem solved !!
The Diamond part of this game plan is that you will buy it.
Thanks for playing.
Now get another 'Bud' from the fridge & put the game on the '30 ft Plasma screen' - go back to the herd moron ( ruff-ruff-woof - sheep dog herding sounds).
You can't deny what you already are.
You are quoting Steven Jones.
He is the backbone of the whole CT movement.
The fact that you will believe a non-peer reviewed paper over the findings of many peer reviewed papers speaks volumes.
Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11.
And not one inch of pipeline has been laid down for TAPI.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Mumbai-attack-casts-shadow-on-Tapi--IPI-projects/394026/
The plan is now to send as much natural gas into Europe as possible by avoiding Russia.
See Nabucco pipeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_Pipeline
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A few days ago 2 F16's intercepted a stolen single engine Piper. Estamated time to intercept = 15 mins.
Just like 9/11. :-*
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A few days ago 2 F16's intercepted a stolen single engine Piper. Estamated time to intercept = 15 mins.
Just like 9/11. :-*
You mean the plane came from outside the US? You mean the plane wasn't a hijacked passenger liner? You mean the Air force learned lessons from 9/11? You mean they had some notice from Canadian authorities? You mean the plane was already in the radar pattern? You mean there wasn't a flight plan filed?
Or do mean the plane was loaded with thermite and wasn't really a plane but instead a missile and they took the passengers to some secret base where they executed in them in the name of the new world order?
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1 major issue with your little theory here (sorry for the tardy response, only just saw it ::) )
Have you been & looked out of the window in question ??
You can not even see the road, from that position - no sniper in his right mind would have picked that for 'eyes on target' 'LUP' no in a Million years, mate ~ !!
This of course is now impossible, because the powers that be have put a - BIG - Glass display case full of facts about 'LHO' blocking you from doing so !!
I wonder why ?? ??? ::)
Never been there myself. The man wanted to kill the president of the United States of America. In that he also wanted to kill a man. How could he be in his right mind? Aside from that, I've never seen anything, even in CT stuff, that said he didn't a have a view to shoot at him. I just looked at a pic of it, and even almost 50 years later there still is a view. Oh, and he wasn't a sniper.
Also are you suggesting the planners of the museum are in on it too?
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You can't deny what you already are.
You are quoting Steven Jones.
He is the backbone of the whole CT movement.
The fact that you will believe a non-peer reviewed paper over the findings of many peer reviewed papers speaks volumes.
Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11.
And not one inch of pipeline has been laid down for TAPI.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Mumbai-attack-casts-shadow-on-Tapi--IPI-projects/394026/
The plan is now to send as much natural gas into Europe as possible by avoiding Russia.
See Nabucco pipeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_Pipeline
Pillow-talk,
You might wanna invite lion-axe into this discussion because it looks like you are getting shredded here.
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Pillow-talk,
You might wanna invite lion-axe into this discussion because it looks like you are getting shredded here.
I see no blood yet.
Just you trying to convince me that I am bleeding ::)
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You can't deny what you already are.
You are quoting Steven Jones.
He is the backbone of the whole CT movement.
The fact that you will believe a non-peer reviewed paper over the findings of many peer reviewed papers speaks volumes.
Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11.
And not one inch of pipeline has been laid down for TAPI.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Mumbai-attack-casts-shadow-on-Tapi--IPI-projects/394026/
The plan is now to send as much natural gas into Europe as possible by avoiding Russia.
See Nabucco pipeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_Pipeline
Wikipedia.org quotes, next the 'Warren commission' & I am using material that is spurious in nature ::) fuck off.
What speaks volumes is your question "Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11" - you are not from this planet are you ??
I provided an example that for every claim that - YOU MAKE I CAN FIND A COUNTER, THAT IS JUST AS CONVINCING, due to the ammount of time that has elapsed since said attack (terrorism, or internal Dialectics) nothing more.
As I have said "you could bore the paint off walls with this shit" - just don;t ask me back to listen to your inane drivel.
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Pillow-talk,
You might wanna invite lion-axe into this discussion because it looks like you are getting shredded here.
My dear fellow, you misunderstand.
'Lion-Axe' is of the same kind as our friend here.
The kind of guy most people avaoid getting into conversation with at parties.
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Never been there myself. The man wanted to kill the president of the United States of America. In that he also wanted to kill a man. How could he be in his right mind? Aside from that, I've never seen anything, even in CT stuff, that said he didn't a have a view to shoot at him. I just looked at a pic of it, and even almost 50 years later there still is a view. Oh, and he wasn't a sniper.
Also are you suggesting the planners of the museum are in on it too?
This weak arse shit will not even get a paragraph out of me.
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PT - done with this thread.
So by all means have the last word.
I will not be returning to answer you back :o ::) :-*
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Pillow Biter: owned everyone in this thread and then took off into the sunset.
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Wikipedia.org quotes, next the 'Warren commission' & I am using material that is spurious in nature ::) fuck off.
What speaks volumes is your question "Also what does Iraq have to do with 9-11" - you are not from this planet are you ??
I provided an example that for every claim that - YOU MAKE I CAN FIND A COUNTER, THAT IS JUST AS CONVINCING, due to the ammount of time that has elapsed since said attack (terrorism, or internal Dialectics) nothing more.
As I have said "you could bore the paint off walls with this shit" - just don;t ask me back to listen to your inane drivel.
That fact that you didn't even know what the Nabucco pipe line is makes you totally unaware of what is going on in the region.
May be look up Russia China Kazakhstan pipeline or the Trans Caspian sea pipeline.
I could have post many other links. But you have google.
By the way I haven't been countering your arguments.
I have been showing that you are lying about what is going on.
See you claim that the TAPI pipeline is already being built.
I prove that it wasn't.
You claim that Steve Jones is a legitimate source. I prove that he isn't.
As for Iraq what does it have to do with 9-11.
Iraq was about the UN resolution 1440.
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PT - done with this thread.
So by all means have the last word.
I will not be returning to answer you back :o ::) :-*
This weak arse shit will not even get a paragraph out of me.
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All you can do throw out a bunch of gibberish and can't back it up? But instead resort to this shit?
What a coward.
Another CT nut job bites the dust.
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All you can do through out a bunch of gibberish and can't back it up? But instead resort to this shit?
What a coward.
Another CT nut job bites the dust.
You spend too much time in California.
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You spend too much time in California.
No argument there. 8)
I was really hoping I'd find someone who could intelligently debate the whole JFK thing. Oh well. Sigh.
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No argument there. 8)
I was really hoping I'd find someone who could intelligently debate the whole JFK thing. Oh well. Sigh.
I'm still working on this. I put a lot of research in it. Still have more to do but won't have time for a while. I won't have time to get into a big debate but take a look and maybe you will or won't like it.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411261/pg1
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I've also obtained the original camera and film used for the backyard photos. I'm looking for the original newspapers and will find copies some day. They're not easy to find. Anyway, I have a lot of testing planned.
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This weak arse shit will not even get a paragraph out of me.
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That, my friends, is one magic loogie.
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That, my friends, is one magic loogie.
Salami, jarlsberg cheese, tomatoes and mustard on rye.
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No argument there. 8)
I was really hoping I'd find someone who could intelligently debate the whole JFK thing. Oh well. Sigh.
PT'S BACK !!
Seeming as you wish to talk on the 'JFK' incident, I will peruse this.
I don't like to bail on debates I know inside & out (with the exception of 9/11 ;) ), bores the fucking tits of me, & there is no resolution to the whole affair, other than the 1 planned by the 'Zionist foreign policy agenda', that we know see play out before our very eyes. ::)
Just to be clear here, are you saying that the shots that killed 'JFK' came from the book depository ??
What was the distance from that window to the motorcade - do you know in ft ??
Oh, & yes the 3 shots in the time available, from that weapon are well within reason, but that is not the issue here, & you know it, as well as I.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&ei=DVLmSeznGoKO-AamlK3ABA&hl=en
Enjoy ;)
I look for conspiracies.
A theory is some-thing that is yet be classified, as definitive !!
3 issues, 'Green backs' - 'smash the 'CIA' (yeah, good one Johnny make enemies of the, Dulles, brothers grim) & their over-seas shenanigans' - 'Vietnam' & all the smack that was getting shippped to the states from the 'Golden Triangle'
In 1953, 'Dulles' became the first civilian Director of Central Intelligence, (these brothers get in a lot of pies from 53 onward) which had been formed as part of the National Security Act of 1947; earlier directors had been military officers.
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That fact that you didn't even know what the Nabucco pipe line is makes you totally unaware of what is going on in the region.
May be look up Russia China Kazakhstan pipeline or the Trans Caspian sea pipeline.
The recent visit of US President Obama to Turkey was far more significant than the President's speech would suggest. For Washington Turkey today has become a geopolitical "pivot state" which is in the position to tilt the Eurasian power equation towards Washington or significantly away from it depending on how Turkey develops its ties with
Moscow and its role regarding key energy pipelines.
If Ankara decides to collaborate more closely with Russia, Georgia's position is precarious & Azerbaijan's natural gas pipeline route to Europe, the so-called Nabucco Pipeline, is blocked. If it cooperates with the United States & manages to reach a stable treaty with 'Armenia' under US auspices, the Russian position in the Caucasus is weakened and an alternative route for natural gas to Europe opens up, decreasing Russian leverage against Europe.
For Washington the key to bringing Germany into closer cooperation with the US is to weaken German dependence on Russian energy flows. Twice in the past three wintersWashington has covertly incited its hand-picked President in Ukraine - 'Viktor Yushchenko' to arrange an arbitrary cut off of Russian gas flows to Germany & other EU destinations. The only purpose of the actions was to convince 'EU' governments that Russia was not a reliable energy partner. Now, with the Obama visit to Ankara, Washington is attempting to win Turkish support for its troubled - Nabucco - alternative gas pipeline through Turkey from Azerbaijan which would theoretically at least lessen EU dependence on Russian gas.
None of this detracts from the fact that back in 01 the agenda was to get that pipe-line through Afghanistan, & you know that.
So why the semantics ??
But you knew this already didn't you ??
Just like the photo's/film of 'Taliban' officials being given the red carpet treatment in the US, just before the 9/11 attacks.
Your comments about Iraq (WTF has Iraq got to do with this ?? yeah, good one ;) )have sealed your fate here, my well informed (by CNN & GOV documentation) friend.
Your ball....................
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I'm still working on this. I put a lot of research in it. Still have more to do but won't have time for a while. I won't have time to get into a big debate but take a look and maybe you will or won't like it.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411261/pg1
I lurk/post on 'ATS' from time to time.
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The recent visit of US President Obama to Turkey was far more significant than the President's speech would suggest. For Washington Turkey today has become a geopolitical "pivot state" which is in the position to tilt the Eurasian power equation towards Washington or significantly away from it depending on how Turkey develops its ties with
Moscow and its role regarding key energy pipelines.
If Ankara decides to collaborate more closely with Russia, Georgia's position is precarious & Azerbaijan's natural gas pipeline route to Europe, the so-called Nabucco Pipeline, is blocked. If it cooperates with the United States & manages to reach a stable treaty with 'Armenia' under US auspices, the Russian position in the Caucasus is weakened and an alternative route for natural gas to Europe opens up, decreasing Russian leverage against Europe.
For Washington the key to bringing Germany into closer cooperation with the US is to weaken German dependence on Russian energy flows. Twice in the past three wintersWashington has covertly incited its hand-picked President in Ukraine - 'Viktor Yushchenko' to arrange an arbitrary cut off of Russian gas flows to Germany & other EU destinations. The only purpose of the actions was to convince 'EU' governments that Russia was not a reliable energy partner. Now, with the Obama visit to Ankara, Washington is attempting to win Turkish support for its troubled - Nabucco - alternative gas pipeline through Turkey from Azerbaijan which would theoretically at least lessen EU dependence on Russian gas.
None of this detracts from the fact that back in 01 the agenda was to get that pipe-line through Afghanistan, & you know that.
So why the semantics ??
But you knew this already didn't you ??
Just like the photo's/film of 'Taliban' officials being given the red carpet treatment in the US, just before the 9/11 attacks.
Your comments about Iraq (WTF has Iraq got to do with this ?? yeah, good one ;) )have sealed your fate here, my well informed (by CNN & GOV documentation) friend.
Your ball....................
The agenda, has always been to get Caspian oil and natural gas to the black sea and to Europe.
TAPI was never a serious contender because of the enormous costs associated with it and the problems with instability in the area.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspgase.html
July 2002
Caspian Sea Region: Natural Gas Export Options
In addition to problems related to the unresolved legal status of the Caspian Sea and several regional conflicts, natural gas exports from the Caspian region have been hindered by geography. The majority of the Caspian Sea region's natural gas reserves are located on the east side of the Caspian, in relatively remote Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, as well as in Uzbekistan. This distance from markets, as well as the lack of infrastructure to deliver this natural gas to customers, has tempered interest in the Caspian region's natural gas potential.
However, the 1999 natural gas discovery of Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz field appears to have boosted the region's natural gas export prospects. The Shah Deniz field, thought to be the largest natural gas discovery worldwide since 1978, already is being developed for export to Turkey, and the infrastructure that will be built to deliver this natural gas has helped to renew international interest in the region's natural gas.
In addition, Kazakhstan is beginning to tap its huge natural gas production potential, with plans to become a net natural gas exporter in the near future, and Turkmenistan is seeking to boost its natural gas output. Although the infrastructure to deliver this natural gas to customers will be costly, multiple routes for Caspian region natural gas exports have been proposed.
Northwest, via Russia
Prior to 1997, the only option for exporting Caspian region natural gas was via the Russian natural gas pipeline system. Although over 2 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of Caspian Sea region natural gas was piped via the Central Asia Center gas pipeline in 1990, exports fell to 0.3 Tcf in 1997 when Russia's Gazprom, which is a competitor with Turkmen natural gas and owns the Russian pipelines through which Turkmenistan exports, denied Turkmenistan access to the system over a payment dispute.
Following resolution of this dispute, Turkmenistan exported 1.1 Tcf of natural gas via Russia in 2000, with 918 billion cubic feet (Bcf) sent to Russia and 177 Bcf contracted to Ukraine. Turkmenistan and Gazprom have agreed to increase shipments of Turkmen natural gas via Russia to between 1.8 Tcf and 2.1 Tcf per year by 2005 to 2006, with total capacity on this line as much as 3.5 Tcf per year. On May 14, 2001, Turkmenistan and Ukraine agreed to a major natural gas export deal through 2006 under which Turkmenistan will provide Ukraine with a total of 8.83 Tcf of natural gas via Russia between 2002 and 2006.
The existing Russian natural gas pipeline system also could be expanded to allow Central Asian natural gas exports to enter the Russian pipeline system en route to European customers. Existing pipelines through Kazakhstan and Russia have the capacity to transport over 700 Bcf per year, and capacity could be increased by an additional 50% by adding more compressors. The Russian natural gas pipelines through Astrakhan and Dagestan provide other options for Caspian region exports. Another proposal has been to transport natural gas from Kazakhstan to a proposed new LNG terminal on the Taman peninsula in Russia, where it would be transported to world markets via tankers.
Caspian region natural gas exports could also reach the growing Turkish natural gas market via Russia. This could occur by using an existing Russian natural gas pipeline to Georgia and connecting to a proposed new pipeline from Georgia to Turkey, possibly passing through Armenia en route. However, construction of this pipeline has been shelved as Russia concentrates instead on its own Blue Stream pipeline to deliver gas to Turkey.
The Blue Stream pipeline, scheduled to be completed in the spring of 2002, will pass under the Black Sea from the Russian port of Tuapse to the Turkish coastal city of Samsun. Rather than building a competing pipeline to transit Caspian natural gas via its territory to Turkey, Russia is likely to buy Caspian region natural gas and then re-export that natural gas to Turkey via the Blue Stream pipeline.
West, via Georgia to Turkey (and on to Europe)
Demand for natural gas in Turkey, the region's largest energy consumer, is projected to increase over the next 10 years. As such, Caspian region natural gas exporters are competing to supply the Turkish market, and Georgia could become a major transit center for natural gas. In addition, in March 2002 Turkey and Greece signed a memorandum of understanding to build a $300 million natural gas pipeline linking the two countries, allowing Caspian Sea region natural gas to reach European Union consumers.
After months of negotiation and delay, Azerbaijan and Turkey signed a long-term natural gas purchase and supply contract on March 12, 2001. Starting in 2004, Azerbaijan will deliver 70 Bcf of natural gas to Turkey, rising to 233 Bcf in 2007 and continuing until 2018. Natural gas for the deal will come mainly from Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz field, which is scheduled to come online in 2004. In order to deliver this natural gas, it will be necessary to construct a pipeline from Baku to Erzurum in eastern Turkey, where the natural gas will join the Turkish natural gas distribution system. Originally, Azeri officials had hoped to use the existing Soviet-era Gazi-Magomed-Gazakh pipeline, but technical inspection of the pipeline, along with the planned export volumes, determined that a new pipeline will be necessary.
The Baku-Erzurum pipeline will stretch some 630 miles, including 290 miles in Azerbaijan and approximately 170 miles in both Georgia and Turkey. Currently, the pipeline project is estimated to cost $1 billion. Credits to be drawn from international financial institutions, including the World Bank, European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), International Finance Corporation (IFC), and investors from the United States and Japan are expected to cover 70% of the pipeline's construction costs, while shareholders in the development of the Shah Deniz field development will contribute the remaining 30%.
In September 2001, Georgia and Azerbaijan cleared a major hurdle for implementation of the pipeline plan by signing a transit agreement. The Azeri parliament ratified the transit agreement in October 2001, followed by the Georgian parliament in December 2001. In January 2002, Georgia announced it would build two, 88.3-Bcf-capacity underground natural gas storage facilities in the east and southwest of the country as part of the pipeline project.
Construction of the Baku-Erzurum pipeline is scheduled to begin in late 2002, with the pipeline operational by the end of 2004. Initial capacity on the pipeline is slated to be 777 billion cubic feet (Bcf) per year, with capacity eventually rising to 1.06 Tcf per year. With natural gas production in the first stage of exploitation of the Shah Deniz field expected to be 282 Bcf per year, the Baku-Erzurum pipeline will have excess capacity to pipe additional Caspian Sea region natural gas exports, possibly from Turkmenistan if the Caspian littoral states agree on a legal regime for the Sea, allowing the proposed Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline to be built.
Natural gas also could transit Georgia via a proposed north-south pipeline from Russia to eastern Turkey, with one route also passing through Armenia. In November 2000, Georgia approved a project for a 37-mile pipeline to carry Russian natural gas to Turkey via the Georgian Black Sea coast. After a September 2001 meeting, Georgian officials announced that representatives from Conoco and Turkey's Acsoy Group were ready to invest in the pipeline, which would transport 35.3 Bcf per year of natural gas from Kobuleti, Georgia, to Hopa, Turkey.
Georgia also has held discussions with Gazprom on refurbishing the existing North Caucasus-Transcaucasian natural gas pipeline and extending it into a trans-Georgian pipeline to bring Russian natural gas to Armenia and Turkey. However, this idea has lost some support as Russia focuses on delivering its gas to Turkey via the "Blue Stream" natural gas pipeline under the Black Sea.
Caspian Sea Region Existing and Proposed Natural Gas Pipelines map. Having problems, call our National Energy Information Center on 202-586-8800 for help.South, via Iran to Turkey
In December 1997, Turkmenistan launched the $190-million Korpezhe-Kurt Kui pipeline to Iran, the first natural gas export pipeline in Central Asia to bypass Russia. The 124-mile pipeline, which had an initial capacity of 141 Bcf, will have a peak capacity of 282 Bcf per year. In 2000, Turkmenistan exported 106 Bcf to Iran via the pipeline, with that figure increasing to 154 Bcf in 2001.
According to terms of the 25-year contract between the two countries, Turkmenistan will pipe between 177 Bcf and 212 Bcf of natural gas to Iran annually, with 35% of Turkmen supplies allocated as payment for Iran's contribution to building the pipeline. In December 2001, the presidents of Turkmenistan and Armenia reached an agreement by which Turkmenistan will supply up to 70.6 Bcf per year to Armenia via the Korpezhe-Kurt Kui pipeline and across Iran. Implementation of this deal is contingent on the construction of a long-delayed Iran-Armenia natural gas pipeline.Construction of the $120 million, 84-mile Iran-Armenia pipeline link has been delayed for years due to disagreements between the two sides over natural gas prices and the location of the pipeline.
In addition, any large investment in Iran's oil and natural gas sector would be legally problematic. U.S. Presidential Executive Orders signed in 1995 prohibit U.S. companies from conducting business with Iran. Furthermore, the U.S. Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which was renewed for five years in August 2001, imposes sanctions on non-U.S. companies that make large investments in the Iranian oil and natural gas sectors.
Southeast, to Pakistan via Afghanistan or Iran
In July 1997, Turkmenistan signed a memorandum of understanding with Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Uzbekistan to build a Central Asia Gas pipeline to carry 0.7 Tcf of natural gas per year via Afghanistan to Pakistan (and possibly on to India). In October 1997, Unocal set up the Central Asian Gas Pipeline (Centgas) consortium to build the pipeline, which would run 900 miles from the Turkmen natural gas deposit at Dauletabad through Kandahar, Afghanistan, and terminate in the Pakistani city of Multan. The pipeline was estimated to cost $2 billion.
However, in June 1998, Russian natural gas giant Gazprom bowed out of the international consortium formed to build the pipeline, and in early August 1998, Unocal announced that Centgas had not secured the financing necessary to begin the work. On August 22, 1998, Unocal suspended construction plans for the pipeline due to the continuing civil war in Afghanistan and the U.S. missile attacks on suspected terrorist training camps. In April 1999, Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan agreed to reactivate the Centgas project, and to ask the Centgas consortium, now led by Saudi Arabia's Delta Oil, to proceed, but continuing fighting in Afghanistan, as well as sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the United Nations on Afghanistan, kept the project on hold.
Until recently, the pipeline was considered effectively dead, but with a fragile peace in Afghanistan established and the Taliban removed from power, the idea of a trans-Afghan pipeline has been revived. Turkmen President Saparmurat Niyazov and Afghan leader Hamid Karzai have expressed their support for the pipeline, and Uzbek President Islam Karimov is also on record advocating the pipeline. In May 2002, Karzai, Niyazov, and Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf held trilateral talks on the pipeline proposal.
Since the Taliban government in Afghanistan was ousted in December 2001 as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, this pipeline option has gained some support, but continuing instability in the region may deter potential investors. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Elizabeth Jones, during a visit to Ashgabat in January 2002, stated that the United States would support private companies that chose to undertake trans-Afghanistan pipeline projects if they were considered to be beneficial and commercially viable.
However, continuing tensions between India and Pakistan make cooperation on a natural gas pipeline highly unlikely for the time being. Although the trans-Afghanistan pipeline could still be built to terminate in Pakistan rather than India, the southeast pipeline option for Caspian natural gas exports remains a distant possibility
Trans-Caspian Western Routes
In order to give Central Asian countries an alternative to exporting their natural gas via the Russian pipeline system, the United States has supported the idea of trans-Caspian pipelines rather than routing pipelines through Iran. The U.S. Trade and Development Agency funded a $750,000 feasibility study by Enron for a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan, and another feasibility study was also completed by Unocal.
On May 21, 1999, Turkey and Turkmenistan signed a 30-year agreement to ship 565 Bcf/year of Turkmen gas to Turkey, with the rest exported to Europe, starting in 2002. In addition, on November 18, 1999, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey and Turkmenistan signed an Intergovernmental Declaration laying the legal framework for the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline (TCGP) route running from Turkmenistan, through Azerbaijan and Georgia, to Turkey.
However, the 1,020-mile TCGP, which is estimated to cost between $2 billion and $3 billion to construct, has been mired in problems, and the future of the project is uncertain. Negotiations between Turkmenistan and the international consortium backing the project have stalled over payment and price issues, and PSG, the co-operator of the project with Royal Dutch/Shell, closed its office in Turkmenistan in October 2000. Also, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan have been unable to agree on space allocations for the pipeline, which has a planned capacity of between 565 Bcf and 1.1 Tcf of natural gas.
Turkmenistan had offered Azerbaijan 30% of the pipeline volumes for Azeri natural gas exports, but with the discovery of the Shah Deniz natural gas field in 1999 in Azeri waters, Azerbaijan hardened in its resolve to receive 50% of the available capacity on the pipeline. After negotiations stalled, in March 2001, Azerbaijan consummated a natural gas export deal of its own with Turkey, lowering Turkmenistan's leverage in negotiations over pipeline volumes. In order to supply Turkey with this natural gas, Azerbaijan is proceeding with plans to construct the aforementioned Baku-Erzurum pipeline.
Although Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan resumed talks on the TCGP in October 2001, the lack of a legal framework governing the use of the Caspian Sea continues to complicate the issue of constructing the pipeline. In addition, several of the Caspian littoral states are opposed to trans-Caspian pipelines on environmental grounds. The U.S. continues to support the project in principle, although Stephen Mann, the U.S. Ambassador for Caspian Basin Energy Development, said that Turkmenistan will have to seek the support of private investor companies in order for the project to move forward. Royal Dutch/Shell continues to support the TCGP project.
East, to China
Exxon, Mitsubishi, and China National Petroleum submitted a preliminary feasibility study for the construction of the world's longest natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to the Chinese coast, perhaps continuing onwards to Japan. The 1-Tcf capacity pipeline would start in Turkmenistan and traverse Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan before traveling the length of China--a 4,161-mile journey to Xinjiang. The pipeline's estimated cost is $10 billion, which, along with logistical difficulties related to building the longest pipeline, has diminished investor interest in the project.
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Yeah, errrrrrrrm.
WTF ever dude.
I have a lot of work to do this week for a reason I need not extrapolate on here.
From this post on, I will reserve my 'GB' attention for the whole 'JFK' schtick, KAY ?? KAY !! :'( :'( :'( :'(
Ta-ta.
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PT'S BACK !!
Seeming as you wish to talk on the 'JFK' incident, I will peruse this.
I don't like to bail on debates I know inside & out (with the exception of 9/11 ;) ), bores the fucking tits of me, & there is no resolution to the whole affair, other than the 1 planned by the 'Zionist foreign policy agenda', that we know see play out before our very eyes. ::)
Just to be clear here, are you saying that the shots that killed 'JFK' came from the book depository ??
What was the distance from that window to the motorcade - do you know in ft ??
Oh, & yes the 3 shots in the time available, from that weapon are well within reason, but that is not the issue here, & you know it, as well as I.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&ei=DVLmSeznGoKO-AamlK3ABA&hl=en
Enjoy ;)
I look for conspiracies.
A theory is some-thing that is yet be classified, as definitive !!
3 issues, 'Green backs' - 'smash the 'CIA' (yeah, good one Johnny make enemies of the, Dulles, brothers grim) & their over-seas shenanigans' - 'Vietnam' & all the smack that was getting shippped to the states from the 'Golden Triangle'
In 1953, 'Dulles' became the first civilian Director of Central Intelligence, (these brothers get in a lot of pies from 53 onward) which had been formed as part of the National Security Act of 1947; earlier directors had been military officers.
go to this thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152455.50 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152455.50)