I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
"A lot's changed in the last 15 years or so in terms of pre contest prep for bodybuilding shows. One of the new mainstays is cardio. The mantra is; cardio burns fat so it should rip you up. But does it? My experience is that there is a happy medium to be followed and it's truly a fine line. Don't do enough and you wont be in shape (possibly...there's always the right diet which can get you there with almost no cardio) Do too much and your muscles lose that "hard" look and lack the "pop" and eye catching roundness.
I recently worked with Troy Alves who won the Europa pro show and he did far less cardio then earlier in the year where he was 11th in the Ironman. How did he do it? He did cardio on the right days, at the right intensity and allowed a better diet to strip away the body fat. The end result; his muscles had that "pop" that gave him an edge over the competition.
I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
Fuck maybe my 1000-1200 calorie a day diet isn't a bad idea.troy is on steroids insulin growth hormone and other stuff, which allows retention of muscle. you arent.
sounds right...never a need to kill myself with cardio...20-30 min..high intense, perfect diet...done
Great post wave.. when Chris speaks, people listen. Where is it quoted from?
troy is on steroids insulin growth hormone and other stuff, which allows retention of muscle. you arent.
and troy did no cardio. you run marathon type distances.
tbombz, based on your posts, it looks like you are a chemical guru. are you very big and ripped?i look similar to you did a few years ago :-*
troy is on steroids insulin growth hormone and other stuff, which allows retention of muscle. you arent.
and troy did no cardio. you run marathon type distances.
BB.com thread, not sure if this is blocked here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115850501
5k twice a week isn't exactly marathon type distances ;Dtroy may have been walking at 2.5mph with zero incline for 20 minnutes a day.
Adonis Principles in action via calorie amount and no cardio.
The next logical step for Aceto will be when he discovers you can eat any food you want.
He had him eating pizza ;DIt took him long enough to figure it out haha.
Adonis Principles in action via calorie amount and no cardio.
The next logical step for Aceto will be when he discovers you can eat any food you want.
troy may have been walking at 2.5mph with zero incline for 20 minnutes a day.
compared to that, 5k is a marathon. will only make you small and stringy.
If I remember correctly your delluded approach included little to no protein; far from Master Chris' approach.Try again.
It explains your stringy look to this day.
What do you think of tabata type sprinting shit or just no intense cardio at all?
Try again.
I advocate .5 to 1 grams per lb of bodyweight.
I don`t find myself stringy since I keep myself lean and I do not have to lose 75 lbs which is quite a strain on the body and counterproductive.
High intentsity cardio for naturals = the bomb.
So how does one ensure 200g+ of protein without eating clean? I think you contradicted your self, but again, nothing new.Easy. Calculate the Nutrition for whatever you eat (Which I do not even have to do). Protein Powder makes it even easier. I usually have 2 scoops which is around 60 grams of protein at about 250 calories.
and don't confuse ripped with stringy... many are ripped at 145lb; doesn't make it appealing.
Try again.too little for optimal growth, even with super high carb intake
I advocate .5 to 1 grams per lb of bodyweight.
The problem is there is no definition of "clean" food anyway. You need a certain amount of essential nutrients and enough protein. Whether you get that from "clean" or "junk" food is irrelevant for body composition.
The problem is there is no definition of "clean" food anyway. You need a certain amount of essential nutrients and enough protein. Whether you get that from "clean" or "junk" food is irrelevant for body composition.for diffrerent diets there is different definiton.
Weren't you a HUGE advocate of NOT eating carbs... ever? Like super low carb diets? Candibombz, what gives?
with age comes wisdom :P
Junk = unwanted chemicals that makes you body work harder to extract the good nutirents.
I guess we'll have to wait a few more years ;Dhow long have you been into bodybuilding wavelength? longer than me? age can mean different things... not just total years alive. my bodybuilding age is 5y.o. although "apear older" than many guys with 20+ years bodybuilding age.
how long have you been into bodybuilding wavelength? longer than me? age can mean different things... not just total years alive. my bodybuilding age is 5y.o. although "apear older" than many guys with 20+ years bodybuilding age.
and yes i know im not being humble
Just kiddin' man, you know your shit. 8)your right about calories nto mattering so much about their source. expecially when dieting. in a caloric defecit everything is getting burned up anyway.
however there is some evidence to support the notion that different ratios of macronutrients in a diet do have different end results. so the food one eats does matter.
Adonis Principles in action via calorie amount and no cardio.
The next logical step for Aceto will be when he discovers you can eat any food you want.
Easy. Calculate the Nutrition for whatever you eat (Which I do not even have to do). Protein Powder makes it even easier. I usually have 2 scoops which is around 60 grams of protein at about 250 calories.How you got from 160 to 180 so quickly and still extremely lean?
Add that to whatever else I eat and I easily get to .5- 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
I am about 180-187 these days and extremely lean. Hope this helps.
Fuck maybe my 1000-1200 calorie a day diet isn't a bad idea.
your right about calories nto mattering so much about their source. expecially when dieting. in a caloric defecit everything is getting burned up anyway.
however there is some evidence to support the notion that different ratios of macronutrients in a diet do have different end results. so the food one eats does matter.
thanks for frigging nothing chris
i asked u on rx muscle to help me w/ my diet twice and u ignored my question both times
youre awesome ::)
what did you ask him NW?on his super little q&a thread i posted my diet and asked him if he thought i was on the right track...and he ignored it.then i asked him again real nice with a smiley face and bumped my post and he ignored it again
on his super little q&a thread i posted my diet and asked him if he thought i was on the right track...and he ignored it.then i asked him again real nice with a smiley face and bumped my post and he ignored it again
maybe he doesn't answer specific questions about diets since it's his businesshmmm maybe
tbombz, based on your posts, it looks like you are a chemical guru. are you very big and ripped?LOL, he's on the far right RenaMan. ;D
"A lot's changed in the last 15 years or so in terms of pre contest prep for bodybuilding shows. One of the new mainstays is cardio. The mantra is; cardio burns fat so it should rip you up. But does it? My experience is that there is a happy medium to be followed and it's truly a fine line. Don't do enough and you wont be in shape (possibly...there's always the right diet which can get you there with almost no cardio) Do too much and your muscles lose that "hard" look and lack the "pop" and eye catching roundness.
I recently worked with Troy Alves who won the Europa pro show and he did far less cardio then earlier in the year where he was 11th in the Ironman. How did he do it? He did cardio on the right days, at the right intensity and allowed a better diet to strip away the body fat. The end result; his muscles had that "pop" that gave him an edge over the competition.
I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
LOL, he's on the far right RenaMan. ;D
Looks like candidate's gains are mostly face based... he looks quite young however, reading his posts, I would've guessed a 30yo juicer. I'm not sure what to think of this.I think he's 19 still, maybe 20 at the most, juiced to the gills and looks like a potato with toothpicks for arms and legs. ;D
candidate, any front/back shots? No bashing here, this is the Renaissance getbig. The dark ages are over.
Looks like candidate's gains are mostly face based... he looks quite young however, reading his posts, I would've guessed a 30yo juicer. I'm not sure what to think of this.
candidate, any front/back shots? No bashing here, this is the Renaissance getbig. The dark ages are over.
I think he's 19 still, maybe 20 at the most, juiced to the gills and looks like a potato with toothpicks for arms and legs. ;D
The diet for Troy he talks about in the thread referenced above looks to me to be basically the same diet he had Victor Martinez on for his NOC win his rookie year.
Don't you think these guys look better at a lower bodyweight, Jeff? Imo, Martinez back in 2003 at the NOC was one of the all-time best conditions in the history of the IFBB. Btw, weren't you there taking pics and posting them on Mayhem?
Troy looked unbelievable at 212; that's a great look for him.
I'm not here to talk about the "past" bro. ;D
the question is how significant would you rate the ratio of macros in a diet for the purpose of body composition given that for each diet considered, protein is high enough and total intake is adjusted to maintain the same rate of weight loss. Extremes like keto and very low fat diets (to the point of not getting enough EFAs) are taken out of the question.
I would especially be interested in how you think this significance changes (if it does at all) between let's say getting to 8% bodyfat and getting below that. I'm also interested in how much you think this significance is dependent on genetics of the individual. Thanks for taking the time!
Good question. I wouls say macros play a role. Lets start this way. Would you want to follow a cutting diet that was made of 90% carbs and 10% protein? Even if the calories were fewer then your body required, you would lose muscle mass. When you lose mass, you would, in turn, fail to look "hard". In addition, when you lose mass you would experience some decline in the metabolism since calorie burning is loosly tied to the total amount of muscle mass you have. Now lets reverse it and eat 90% protein and 10% carbs. (These are made up ratios for illustation only). You would most likley fail to be able to energise the muscles because although muscles can use body fat or the fat you eat as fuel, they need glucose to to look like a bodybuilders muscles. However, you will hold more muscle on a diet made of 90% protein (and the fat common tot he protein foods you eat) and 10% carbs. That's because, in extreme diets, protein beats out carbs in its ability to help you save muscle tissue while dieting. So you can see there is merit to ratios. What do I like? I prefer somewhere, while dieting to 50/50 half carbs and half protein but a lot of people may have to bring the carbs down which, as ratios go, automatically pushes the protein ratio up. That said, I don't get super hung up on numbers becasue I do not believe you can micromanage the body. I think thats where people get a little too crazy.
With regards to getting below 8% body fat; the only way thats possible is by using my fat burner Nordrenalean HSL. Ok, in all seriousness to get below 8% you have to get to 9% by NOT going to extremes. From there, you can try to manipulate variables to get down lower. I think a lot of people make the mistake of using all kinds of dietary techniques too early in their prep phase.
Chris Aceto
www.procardnutrition.com (http://www.procardnutrition.com)
"His diet was about 160-190 carbs a day very low fat 240-300 grams of protein over 6 meals. He did cardio 4-5 times a week after training and a lower intensity. Its hard to put down in a couple paragraphs the scheme becasue it was changing week to week."Very..VERY interesting.
Palumbo & co just shat thier pants... then again palumbo's bs is known to flat people out, especially that he gives everyone the same diet. Troy won because of his "pop", something palumbo's shit can't do.
Pretty insightful statement right here by Mr. Aceto:
Ok, in all seriousness to get below 8% you have to get to 9% by NOT going to extremes. From there, you can try to manipulate variables to get down lower. I think a lot of people make the mistake of using all kinds of dietary techniques too early in their prep phase.
agreed, getting to 8-9% is very uncomplicated, below that, I don't know
No, what he means is that if you get to 8% by starving yourself, doing too much cardio, or having already used up the effect to be had by thermos you've limited your potential to take it further by having prematurely run out of variables to manipulate.
Pretty insightful statement right here by Mr. Aceto:
Ok, in all seriousness to get below 8% you have to get to 9% by NOT going to extremes. From there, you can try to manipulate variables to get down lower. I think a lot of people make the mistake of using all kinds of dietary techniques too early in their prep phase.
absofucking lutely
I am experimenting this right now, and it sucks ass
where are the pics to prove those lofty claims french stud?
Adonis Principles in action via calorie amount and no cardio.
The next logical step for Aceto will be when he discovers you can eat any food you want.
no pics !!!
maybe in a month or so, I am not posting pics unless I attain a ripped back and glutes
just started doing protein + veggies only day today, I will do 2 of those alternated with 2 protein-fat days.
than if I still dont drop fat I'll do more protein and veggies days.
I am affraid I won't be in shape in time for doing the show may 30th unfortunately ! but fuck I am still getting shredded just for the hell of it
You can do it! Just don't look at nasty pictures like this one while on the keto :)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/213925019_4f50d2fb20.jpg)
doesn't bother me 8)
I'll try again in two weeks then ;D
hehe ;D
watch out for a thread called "hey stavi, how's the keto going?" ;D
watch out for a thread called "hey stavi, how's the keto going?" ;D
you mother fucker !! ;D
haha debussey is jealous of our relationship
The jealous one is actually Duck :o
tell her it's just a little bromance, nothing serious :-*
This is Duck: I am awaiting you at my pad tonight. I've made sausage and am expecting some sausage in return >:(
I am affraid I won't be in shape in time for doing the show may 30th unfortunately ! but fuck I am still getting shredded just for the hell of it
Didn't you also say that you're doing 2-3 HOURS of cardio a day somewhere? You don't think that with doing that much you will be in shape? That is what I'd call getting too far out of shape offseason! ;)
I totally agree with Aceto & McJeff on the below 8% body fat deal. Some people start off doing 3hrs of cardio....where are you supposed to go from there? Do 4hrs of cardio and eat 1k calories? Shit I think even a concentration camp guy would look better onstage if that's the case.
I am doing 2 hours of low intensity cardio a day.
I started fucking fat, at about 18% bf ;D
yeah that was stupid.
anyway, I dieted for 2 months before adding the cardio
not I am not fat, a few lbs away from contest shape but it seems like the fat loss stopped
I just started doing protein only days today, we will see how it goes
the worst that can happen is that I won't do the show, I don't really care I was just dieting for the beach in the first place
Stevie
Ketosis is the most catabolic condition you can be in while dieting
it really is a horrible way to improve body composition
which is why all ketosis guys come in flat even though they are on steroids and that helps them keep the muscle
I am not flat at all, I have exactly the same fullness as when I diet on carbs.
didn't lose any muscle either
Victor Martinez should go back to working with Chris
Avesher has left Getbig.
There is still a little bit of Avesher in all of us
"A lot's changed in the last 15 years or so in terms of pre contest prep for bodybuilding shows. One of the new mainstays is cardio. The mantra is; cardio burns fat so it should rip you up. But does it? My experience is that there is a happy medium to be followed and it's truly a fine line. Don't do enough and you wont be in shape (possibly...there's always the right diet which can get you there with almost no cardio) Do too much and your muscles lose that "hard" look and lack the "pop" and eye catching roundness.
I recently worked with Troy Alves who won the Europa pro show and he did far less cardio then earlier in the year where he was 11th in the Ironman. How did he do it? He did cardio on the right days, at the right intensity and allowed a better diet to strip away the body fat. The end result; his muscles had that "pop" that gave him an edge over the competition.
I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
i totally agree with you..
and how much cardio troy was doing??.. i belive the perfect thing is 3 days a week, 30 minutes each.. more than that you will be taking from the energy you need to lift and will have to increase your food so will be useless!!..
You bring such amazing intelligence and reasoning to this board ::)
Debussey, I want to blow a big juicy load on your face. How do you feel about that, stud?
I am doing 2 hours of low intensity cardio a day.
I started fucking fat, at about 18% bf ;D
yeah that was stupid.
anyway, I dieted for 2 months before adding the cardio
not I am not fat, a few lbs away from contest shape but it seems like the fat loss stopped
I just started doing protein only days today, we will see how it goes
the worst that can happen is that I won't do the show, I don't really care I was just dieting for the beach in the first place
Bro, how could you possibly spend 2 hrs a day doing low-intensity cardio? You're wasting time. I think that keto diet is too restrictive of living a somewhat normal lifestyle with all of the cardio and complete direct carb limitations.
Do you think you'll use it again after this contest? I tried it for 3 weeks and had to ditch it - I have to use my brain for a living and couldn't think while I was on it. "Ketosis" never really felt the way Palumbo said it would.
I am not flat at all, I have exactly the same fullness as when I diet on carbs.I second that. I diet ketogenically and I am by no means FLAT. People who never used that diet often assume you will get flat. It's an old wives tale at best. On keto, I cook everything in soy sauce and season everything with salty seasonings. That keeps me full. The only thing I do not like about keto is the need for t3 drugs when you plateau.
didn't lose any muscle either
I second that. I diet ketogenically and I am by no means FLAT. People who never used that diet often assume you will get flat. It's an old wives tale at best. On keto, I cook everything in soy sauce and season everything with salty seasonings. That keeps me full. The only thing I do not like about keto is the need for t3 drugs when you plateau.
- Block!
the real question is what was his drug stack. diet/cardio/too much/too little...hahahahaha what a bunch of bullshit. hey chris just tell us what his drug stack was and then lets talk about what he was eating. fucking knob
I disagree
when getting ready for a show, diet is more important
drugs only make you hold onto the muscle
know, knowing his off-season stack would be interesting
ugh. i know a pro that ate pizza to within a week before show and only reason he stopped eating pizza was because of sodium. please. maybe for you and your drug regimen diet is important but these guys are play with diffierent checmicals that you are.
ugh. i know a pro that ate pizza to within a week before show and only reason he stopped eating pizza was because of sodium. please. maybe for you and your drug regimen diet is important but these guys are play with diffierent checmicals that you are.
Stevieyou have no idea what your talking about
Ketosis is the most catabolic condition you can be in while dieting
it really is a horrible way to improve body composition
which is why all ketosis guys come in flat even though they are on steroids and that helps them keep the muscle
2 older sister, older brother, and older cousin... actuallyand the nig -ger , who owns that ?
and the nig -ger , who owns that ?you should watch your mouth. or say it to my face.... but you wouldnt. :)
and the nig -ger , who owns that ?
you should watch your mouth. or say it to my face.... but you wouldnt. :)looking great as usual 'candi' ::) ::)
2 older sister, older brother, and older cousin... actually
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/34ry2yw/gaylor.jpg)
haha, oh dear God!!!
So Taylor, this is what '20oz of steak, 20 eggs, 5 whey shakes, and 10 tins of tuna' alongside 600g of carbs and 30g of Omega 3's several times per day EVERY DAY on top of steroids is capable of building?
Fuck me son, you are the fucking knowledge font my friend, the FUCKING FONT!!!
Dude, seriously, as well as eating all of that food, youre supposed to train LOL
or perhaps you do train, then simply throw all the food straight down the toilet in an effort to 'cut out the middle man'?
haha, you look... rough, decidedly average, your hubris knows no bounds!
oh and, i cant wait to see what kind of 85IQ offspring you and the skinny bantu pop out? but then again, maybe she has a cock? who knows, its a rollercoaster ride with you LOL
with a bone in her nose, and a bone up your ass, I salute you!! ;)
lol, either way, good work.
I don't know what you guys are talking about, Tbombz looks pretty big in that shot
candi looking huge 8)
also with a very attractive girl that looks like serina williams. 8)
well played candi - props 8)
Tbombz your girl is hot. I wouldnt get wound up by them.
panda, where have you been?
what's your take on Aceto's posts?
i've been here every day :D
similar if not identical to what he has always recommended. ( i have his diet plans for troy in the past, martinez and chris cook - they are very similar)
also funnily enough my recent diet was the same in terms of carbs and fats only with slightly more protein (50-75g more) and cardio (hiit on bike) after workouts.
the weight was dropping off. It certainly works.
i think troy looked so good recently because he did exactly what he should have i.e. no cheat meals etc, while in the past he may have slipped a few times ( he admits as much in the md interview)
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/34ry2yw/gaylor.jpg)
haha, oh dear God!!!
So Taylor, this is what '20oz of steak, 20 eggs, 5 whey shakes, and 10 tins of tuna' alongside 600g of carbs and 30g of Omega 3's several times per day EVERY DAY on top of steroids is capable of building?
Fuck me son, you are the fucking knowledge font my friend, the FUCKING FONT!!!
Dude, seriously, as well as eating all of that food, youre supposed to train LOL
or perhaps you do train, then simply throw all the food straight down the toilet in an effort to 'cut out the middle man'?
haha, you look... rough, decidedly average, your hubris knows no bounds!
oh and, i cant wait to see what kind of 85IQ offspring you and the skinny bantu pop out? but then again, maybe she has a cock? who knows, its a rollercoaster ride with you LOL
with a bone in her nose, and a bone up your ass, I salute you!! ;)
lol, either way, good work.
you have no idea what your talking about
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/34ry2yw/gaylor.jpg)ROFLMAO "Throw the food down the toilet to cut out the middle man"
haha, oh dear God!!!
So Taylor, this is what '20oz of steak, 20 eggs, 5 whey shakes, and 10 tins of tuna' alongside 600g of carbs and 30g of Omega 3's several times per day EVERY DAY on top of steroids is capable of building?
Fuck me son, you are the fucking knowledge font my friend, the FUCKING FONT!!!
Dude, seriously, as well as eating all of that food, youre supposed to train LOL
or perhaps you do train, then simply throw all the food straight down the toilet in an effort to 'cut out the middle man'?
haha, you look... rough, decidedly average, your hubris knows no bounds!
oh and, i cant wait to see what kind of 85IQ offspring you and the skinny bantu pop out? but then again, maybe she has a cock? who knows, its a rollercoaster ride with you LOL
with a bone in her nose, and a bone up your ass, I salute you!! ;)
lol, either way, good work.
hmmm TAIts neither. The above poster is a true legend years and précédent, d'avant your internet debut.
so is that you, or is that leafy bug ?
:)
hmmm TAYou have to admit, that line was rather humorous.
so is that you, or is that leafy bug ?
:)
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/34ry2yw/gaylor.jpg)
haha, oh dear God!!!
So Taylor, this is what '20oz of steak, 20 eggs, 5 whey shakes, and 10 tins of tuna' alongside 600g of carbs and 30g of Omega 3's several times per day EVERY DAY on top of steroids is capable of building?
Fuck me son, you are the fucking knowledge font my friend, the FUCKING FONT!!!
Dude, seriously, as well as eating all of that food, youre supposed to train LOL
or perhaps you do train, then simply throw all the food straight down the toilet in an effort to 'cut out the middle man'?
haha, you look... rough, decidedly average, your hubris knows no bounds!
oh and, i cant wait to see what kind of 85IQ offspring you and the skinny bantu pop out? but then again, maybe she has a cock? who knows, its a rollercoaster ride with you LOL
with a bone in her nose, and a bone up your ass, I salute you!! ;)
lol, either way, good work.
You have to admit, that line was rather humorous.i dont see any humor there
i dont see any humor there
what i do see is a racist hiding behind a computer, saying things he/she would never in a million years say to my face. and also insulting what i look like, when i will guarantee if i was to stand next to the person i would dwarf him/her.
i dont see any humor there
what i do see is a racist hiding behind a computer, saying things he/she would never in a million years say to my face. and also insulting what i look like, when i will guarantee if i was to stand next to the person i would dwarf him/her.
i dont see any humor there
what i do see is a racist hiding behind a computer, saying things he/she would never in a million years say to my face. and also insulting what i look like, when i will guarantee if i was to stand next to the person i would dwarf him/her.
i dont see any humor there"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor Roosevelt
what i do see is a racist hiding behind a computer, saying things he/she would never in a million years say to my face. and also insulting what i look like, when i will guarantee if i was to stand next to the person i would dwarf him/her.
should a mental midget such as yourself talk about "dwarfing"?
also, your eyes are too close together, a dead give away of mental retardation, as if the Zulu next to you wasn't enough.
tel you what
fly to my house and we will take an iq test
if you score higher than me you can have my car.
if i score higher, nothing happens.
deal? :)
No thanks, Purple Rain.
tel you whatYou know I like you Candi, but does that offer extend to yours truly? I will even give the car to charity. (After I wipe the Cheetos crumbs off the front seats and sterilize the headrests)
fly to my house and we will take an iq test
if you score higher than me you can have my car.
if i score higher, nothing happens.
deal? :)
haha
BTW, does he think you are Superman?
You know I like you Candi, but does that offer extend to yours truly? I will even give the car to charity. (After I wipe the Cheetos crumbs off the front seats and sterilize the headrests)
LOL, come on, lighten up, you are on the verge of a meltdown my friend.
I think he thinks I would actually pay money to fly out to Compton to compete in an IQ test with him over his "ride, yo". Can you imagine the confused look on his mother's face if i knocked on the door?ROFLMAO.
"Good Morning, Mrs. Dizzle. Is Taylor in the basement? I'm here to have an IQ contest with him over his Purple Mustang. What's that you say? Yeah, it is a girl color, but then again, he does have big floppy tits."
i dont see any humor therehahahaha epic insecurity complex....
what i do see is a racist hiding behind a computer, saying things he/she would never in a million years say to my face. and also insulting what i look like, when i will guarantee if i was to stand next to the person i would dwarf him/her.
(After I wipe the Cheetos crumbs off the front seats and sterilize the headrests)
Tbombz, why don't you shut them up with a real pic?
It's just impossible to judge from such pics if you're 15% or 40% bodyfat.
he has two chins, is bloated and isnt that big... and all after the last 24 months of shit talking and supposed expertise.
he has acheived NOTHING - and infact far less - than thousands of below average juice heads across the globe.
what part of that dont you grasp, stevie wonder?
... or are you hoping he will let you hang out of his fudge funnel one day soon?
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor Roosevelt
Somebody post the original pic of Taylor, the one with him sat on the off road motorcycle.
Lets marvel at the MASSIVE gains he has made with his IMMENSE knowledge over the last 24 months.
Jesus, at least Adonis walks the fucking walk.
Taylor, drugs and niggers will ruin your game everytime; you need to gravitate towards above average IQ whites, and leggy European girls.
You are a shambles!
"Frank's dick bent the wrong way and he was my cousin." - Eleanor RooseveltLOL.
"tell me my hair aint luxurious, when you know it is bitches!"
GAY ;D
On GetBig, you can't just say "gay" You have to say "gayer than..."
Ex./ Gayer than going 18-0 but losing the Super Bowl ... Gayer than a French soccer team called Nancy ... Gayer than low-cal salad dressing ... Gayer than a semen-flavored rice cake
You get the idea.
"tell me my hair aint luxurious, when you know it is bitches!"
Well Chris allowed some cheat meals, he had him eating pizza. :)
yes, but wasn't chris there to monitor the changes it made to his body?ROFLMAO monitor the changes....
ROFLMAO monitor the changes....so you disagree?
Stop acting as if he were a patient in some hospital or that simply eating something is an intricate experiment.
I really hope one day the simplicity of the entire concept will dawn on you thus ending your Sisyphean struggle permanently.
so you disagree?I don`t know a thing about if it has any reaction with whatever drugs the midget Troy was scarfing down since I am entirely ignorant on that front, but I do know that naturally as long as there is abundant water ingested, there shall be no ill or noticeable effect.
you feel that all the sodium in a pizza would have no effect on a sub 4% bf physique ?
I don`t know a thing about if it has any reaction with whatever drugs the midget Troy was scarfing down since I am entirely ignorant on that front, but I do know that naturally as long as there is abundant water ingested, there shall be no ill or noticeable effect.
so you disagree?You have attacked me for over a year or several. Why should I even bother with tones or degrees of civility when you never have contemplated extending that basic consideration which will require mutual reciprocation of respect, something that has eluded your dealings with me thus far.
you feel that all the sodium in a pizza would have no effect on a sub 4% bf physique ?
you misunderstand me adonis. i have tried on many occassions to have a truely scientific debate on your thoughts on training and diet, each time you have been rude - which i have returned in kind.
perhaps we should start again?
You have attacked me for over a year or several. Why should I even bother with tones or degrees of civility when you never have contemplated extending that basic consideration which will require mutual reciprocation of respect, something that has eluded your dealings with me thus far.
I did see where you tried to make amends with an apologetic gesture meant to absolve your past sins, however I have watched you renege and descend freely into buggery as you failed to live up to being a born again Getbigger.
Shall we put down our arms, uncross our fingers and shake hands and leave the blustering behind?
You have attacked me for over a year or several. Why should I even bother with tones or degrees of civility when you never have contemplated extending that basic consideration which will require mutual reciprocation of respect, something that has eluded your dealings with me thus far.
I did see where you tried to make amends with an apologetic gesture meant to absolve your past sins, however I have watched you renege and descend freely into buggery as you failed to live up to being a born again Getbigger.
Shall we put down our arms, uncross our fingers and shake hands and leave the blustering behind?
yes, but wasn't chris there to monitor the changes it made to his body?
yes, but wasn't chris there to monitor the changes it made to his body?
Yes I did..It did nothing; no harm. It would be like opening your front door on a cold Maine morning. Regardless of how hot irt is in the house, its so darn cold out...you aint gonna influence the temperature outside. He was in excellent shape with hardly any fat. Regardless of 2,3, or 5 pices of pizza, them cuts were not going anywhere
gayer than saying
Here's your answer :)
Wavelength is the hardcore diet master!You still do not believe whatever he or I say when we tell you what and how we eat.
Wavelength is the hardcore diet master!
Not at all, I just discovered a few things through trial and error. Could have gotten there earlier if I would have reviewed actual studies myself instead of listening to bro science.
You still do not believe whatever he or I say when we tell you what and how we eat.
You still do not believe whatever he or I say when we tell you what and how we eat.
What did you eat today (resp. yesterday)?Let`s see, 2 Wendys Double Stack after the gym, Greek Yogurt with Cherry Preserves, 1 Cup of Cinnamon Mini Wheats with 1 cup of Whole Milk, 2 Scoops Protein Powder, 2 Servings Ben and Jerrys Mission to Marzipan, 1.4 lbs of Strawberries that Jezebelle and I picked.
Let`s see, 2 Wendys Double Stack after the gym, Greek Yogurt with Cherry Preserves, 1 Cup of Cinnamon Mini Wheats with 1 cup of Whole Milk, 2 Scoops Protein Powder, 2 Servings Ben and Jerrys Mission to Marzipan, 1.4 lbs of Strawberries that Jezebelle and I picked.
I think that was it.
Today, Sunday, is my non calorie count day. Today we are making Pound cake with a LB of Butter, a Lb of Sugar, and a Lb of eggs along with some other ingredients. A True Pound Cake!
Then we are making Strawberry and Vanilla Heavy Cream Scones with some of the Strawberries we Picked.
I also have another Cake on hand from last week that We froze, Mississippi Mud Cake. Probably have a few pieces of that as well.
I also have a Sour Cream and Avocado Hamburger made.
Then, it is on to Cha Shao Bao or what is known as Barbecued Pork Buns. Sweet Pork filling in a baked Dough. Here is a pic!
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Since you believe that calories are king, I would assume you count every calorie you eat to be able to eat that stuff...Again,
Hahaha, great stuff TA, I never count calories. This is my Sunday dinner. ;D
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you are an amateur Wavelenght !!!
I should have took pictures of what I ate yesterday hahaha 8)
"Refeed" day? ::)
;D
what did you have stavi?
no no it's not a refeed day, I decided I start lean bulking again on monday so it's a fucking junk fest this week-end until I get back on a clean diet monday 8)
last night I had
a vegetarian medium pizza (I hate peperonis and shit like that on a pizza)
a whole breadstick with garlic butter
a piece of sugar pie
a piece of apple pie
big plate of nachos
then about 1 hour later a footlong submarine with extra steak and cheese 8)
when I got home a friend called me and I couldn't even talk, my stomach hurt so bad I lied down on my couch and fell asleep there ;D
I looked like a pregnant woman
tonight is the junkfest number 2, with pussy for desert ;D
Tu es Québécois?
oui !
Ah...cool.
tu es du quebec aussi ?
de quel coin ?
Non, je suis anglophone. En fait j'avais remarque ton anglais peculier et me demande pourquoi...donc...la question...
moi aussi..
lol my english sucks ass this hard ? ;D
I tough it was bad but I didn't think it was that noticable
"thought"
and I'm Austrian ;D
lol my english sucks ass this hard ? ;D
I tough it was bad but I didn't think it was that noticable
Stavios do you believe in the Wavelength diet principles?
Stavi is a masochist, he diets for pleasure ;D
You mean he doesn't follow them?
Stavios do you believe in the Wavelength diet principles?
Hahaha, great stuff TA, I never count calories. This is my Sunday dinner. ;D
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I don't !
maybe to get to 8% or so but to get shredded for a show I wouldn't try it !
I don't !
maybe to get to 8% or so but to get shredded for a show I wouldn't try it !
Agreed, I don't know yet how to get below 8%, but I will boldly go where no man has gone before 8)
I even believe u that this is ur Sunday dinner. The question that remains is how u look? :)
no no it's not a refeed day, I decided I start lean bulking again on monday so it's a fucking junk fest this week-end until I get back on a clean diet monday 8)
last night I had
a vegetarian medium pizza (I hate peperonis and shit like that on a pizza)
a whole breadstick with garlic butter
a piece of sugar pie
a piece of apple pie
big plate of nachos
then about 1 hour later a footlong submarine with extra steak and cheese 8)
when I got home a friend called me and I couldn't even talk, my stomach hurt so bad I lied down on my couch and fell asleep there ;D
I looked like a pregnant woman
tonight is the junkfest number 2, with pussy for desert ;D
yikes :o
I love to eat like that, but you will get fat again no?
even if just for one day, i swear i would get much fatter :-X
Agreed, I don't know yet how to get below 8%, but I will boldly go where no man has gone before 8)Length of time and adherence will easily get you there.
yikes :oYou wouldn`t, provided you spend more time in a deficit than in a surplus.
I love to eat like that, but you will get fat again no?
even if just for one day, i swear i would get much fatter :-X
abs shot 5 minutes ago. a little bloated from the feast :)
(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv350/wave_length/f4de6244.jpg)
back shot from a few days ago, hovering around 10% right now.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/500/wavelength_back_07.jpg)
and that was me last year, using the exaxt same diet (one pig-out day per week).
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/500/wavelength_back04.jpg)
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I bet you your 'junk food' diet won't do the trick...You really have no clue. What does it feel like to have apathy govern your whole outlook on nearly all aspects of life?
Length of time and adherence will easily get you there.
I do have some suggestions to your previous approach such as counting calories and a hyper calorie interval, with that said, your last
approach would have most likely gotten you there, but with these two suggestions you will get there 100 percent of the time.
Really? Then I recommend this book!
You wouldn`t, provided you spend more time in a deficit than in a surplus.
You really have no clue. What does it feel like to have apathy govern your whole outlook on nearly all aspects of life?
What would be the benefits of counting calories over a feedback loop via rate of weight loss?With your approach of not counting calories, you have no basis to make adjustments should they be needed other than logical guessing and waiting. Weight loss is not via scale reading is not a good indicator of fat loss as you can easily gain muscle or mantain a weight whilst cutting bodyfat. Knowing just how much you are eating can also help with your planning if you want to look a certain way at a certain time, say for a competition or beach trip or what have you.
Please explain hyper calorie interval. :)
What does it feel like to believe you are infallible and incapable of error?I do not feel that way. That is your simply a judgment based on your own bias and warped perception.
With your approach of not counting calories, you have no basis to make adjustments should they be needed other than logical guessing and waiting. Weight loss is not via scale reading is not a good indicator of fat loss as you can easily gain muscle or mantain a weight whilst cutting bodyfat. Knowing just how much you are eating can also help with your planning if you want to look a certain way at a certain time, say for a competition or beach trip or what have you.
Hyper-Calorie would be similar to your all out days, but spaced in different intervals depending on your current progress or lack thereof should there be a lack. It can be every 10th day, 7th, 3rd for instance on a rotating basis. The idea is to keep hormones in balance,natural testosterone as high as possible, and using leptin to induce adipose apoptosis.
I agree if I had to meet a certain goal in time. If I would train for a competition, I would probably have to count calories. I also agree with gaining muscle on a cut, but for that I also use experience and watch my strength in the gym. If I can't maintain most of my strength, I go for a smaller rate of weight loss. For me, the convenience of just eating out most of my meals outweighs the disadvantages of not knowing exactly when I will hit a certain condition.Its PIZZA time for me today!
How exactly would the mechanism of adjusting the intervall work?
yikes :o
I love to eat like that, but you will get fat again no?
even if just for one day, i swear i would get much fatter :-X
Its PIZZA time for me today!
I decided to get a pizza instead of making the Chinese Pork Rolls. I am too lazy after baking that Pound Cake and the Scones.
I will eat probably a whole Large. :)
When I get back I will go over this a bit more regarding Natural Hormone balances.
Its PIZZA time for me today!
I decided to get a pizza instead of making the Chinese Pork Rolls. I am too lazy after baking that Pound Cake and the Scones.
I will eat probably a whole Large. :)
When I get back I will go over this a bit more regarding Natural Hormone balances.
damn you have some appetite !!I have eaten myself sick a few times in the past. hahaha
even a medium is hard for me to eat.
I have trouble eating a large quantity of the same food. I can eat a lot but I need variety
damn you have some appetite !!
even a medium is hard for me to eat.
I have trouble eating a large quantity of the same food. I can eat a lot but I need variety
4-12 pounds the first year
2-6 each additional year...closer to 2-4
I have eaten myself sick a few times in the past. hahaha
I remember once I ate a whole extra large pizza, 17 inch, with extra cheese and the works, then immediately went to a Malt Shop and got a 70 oz milkshake and drank it.
I felt awful. Just awful. My stomach felt like I had been punched by Tyson and I had to lay on the floor for about 3 hours.
Been there done that ;D
Eating too much = great 8)
Not really bro, there has been days where I have eaten 15,000 calories and it's awful
your heart is at 150 beats a minute, you fee like throwing up, your stomach is about to explode
you can feel the sugar rushing through your veins, you can't sleep at night, etc etc
plus adding an extra 3.5 pounds of fat in one day doesn't feel too good the next morning haha
I bet Duck knows all about this :-X
That overeating = honorable 8) 15000 calories ;D
Duck eats a lot to maintain her weight. It usually consists of bags of chips and loads of McDonalds. Duck = a monster eater :o
What the hell did you eat to reach 15000? :o
couple boxes of oreos with couple liters of chocolate milk
couple of pounds of chocolate
half of a large cake
then went on a rampage to fast food places, superseting a couple of Burger King double whopper meals with fries, coke and everything
with couple of Blizzards from Dairy Queen, couple hours later went to Quiznos had 2 large subs, then to Mr. Sub for another sub, then later ate lots of icecream with lots of Reese, more milk chocolate, couple cereal bowls later the night and everything else in sight
I couldn't sleep almost all of that night, had a headache, and racing heart haha
It's worth doing it just once ;D
Start early in the day haha ;D
So you are from Nebraska?
couple boxes of oreos with couple liters of chocolate milk
couple of pounds of chocolate
half of a large cake
then went on a rampage to fast food places, superseting a couple of Burger King double whopper meals with fries, coke and everything
with couple of Blizzards from Dairy Queen, couple hours later went to Quiznos had 2 large subs, then to Mr. Sub for another sub, then later ate lots of icecream with lots of Reese, more milk chocolate, couple cereal bowls later the night and everything else in sight
I couldn't sleep almost all of that night, had a headache, and racing heart haha
It's worth doing it just once ;D
Start early in the day haha ;D
couple boxes of oreos with couple liters of chocolate milk
couple of pounds of chocolate
half of a large cake
then went on a rampage to fast food places, superseting a couple of Burger King double whopper meals with fries, coke and everything
with couple of Blizzards from Dairy Queen, couple hours later went to Quiznos had 2 large subs, then to Mr. Sub for another sub, then later ate lots of icecream with lots of Reese, more milk chocolate, couple cereal bowls later the night and everything else in sight
I couldn't sleep almost all of that night, had a headache, and racing heart haha
It's worth doing it just once ;D
Start early in the day haha ;D
No, what the hell kind of question is that and why do you keep asking man ;D
This guy is from Nebraska :D
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You're from the Midwest though, aren't you?ouch.
ouch.
you must really hate AXA, huh?
My reply to that is:
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Huh? is he not from the Midwest?
Huh? is he not from the Midwest?to say someone seems like they are from the mid west... to me would be an insult. i would take that as saying " you look like the typical midwestern dumb uncoltured simple minded intolerant conservative moron"
to say someone seems like they are from the mid west... to me would be an insult. i would take that as saying " you look like the typical midwestern dumb uncoltured simple minded intolerant conservative moron"
:P
Where the hell is he from then?
Florida?
I do not feel that way. That is your simply a judgment based on your own bias and warped perception.
I enjoy making errors. An error teaches me that whatever the error and cause are, I can lay that instance to rest and seek additional evidence or a new approach. Science is simply narrowing down the errors and labeling them as such.
As far as being infallible, I do not believe in such a concept or that the state of infallibility can ever exist. I cannot name a single perfect concept that is not amenable in any way.
With your approach of not counting calories, you have no basis to make adjustments should they be needed other than logical guessing and waiting. Weight loss is not via scale reading is not a good indicator of fat loss as you can easily gain muscle or mantain a weight whilst cutting bodyfat. Knowing just how much you are eating can also help with your planning if you want to look a certain way at a certain time, say for a competition or beach trip or what have you.
Hyper-Calorie would be similar to your all out days, but spaced in different intervals depending on your current progress or lack thereof should there be a lack. It can be every 10th day, 7th, 3rd for instance on a rotating basis. The idea is to keep hormones in balance,natural testosterone as high as possible, and using leptin to induce adipose apoptosis.
That is a good suggestion. However i would suggest the intervals between the all out days would have to increase in number rather than decrease over time. Its like a carb rotation only with cals and over a greater time scale 8)
IMO, it's irrelevant for body composition, I use it as a psychological help only. As far as I can remember, TA also shared that opinion the last time we talked about it, so I would be interested in his current opinion.
IMO, it's irrelevant for body composition, I use it as a psychological help only. As far as I can remember, TA also shared that opinion the last time we talked about it, so I would be interested in his current opinion.
Think of all out feedings as Hormone Replacements for Naturals.
Otherwise Testosterone for one, begins to drop if the all out days are not there.
Think of all out feedings as Hormone Replacements for Naturals.
Otherwise Testosterone for one, begins to drop if the all out days are not there.
none
Its effective but a lot of bodybuilders start it way too early. Its really helpful towards then end to overcome potential roadblocks you may have. However, at the beginning of a diet, its still the core fundamentlas that are most important; eating fewer total calories each day then the body burns
Can you remember the last time we talked about that? AFAIR, you said it's irrelevant. I would be interested what made you change your mind, any new scientific studies or personal experience? Just curious. 8)
"A lot's changed in the last 15 years or so in terms of pre contest prep for bodybuilding shows. One of the new mainstays is cardio. The mantra is; cardio burns fat so it should rip you up. But does it? My experience is that there is a happy medium to be followed and it's truly a fine line. Don't do enough and you wont be in shape (possibly...there's always the right diet which can get you there with almost no cardio) Do too much and your muscles lose that "hard" look and lack the "pop" and eye catching roundness.
I recently worked with Troy Alves who won the Europa pro show and he did far less cardio then earlier in the year where he was 11th in the Ironman. How did he do it? He did cardio on the right days, at the right intensity and allowed a better diet to strip away the body fat. The end result; his muscles had that "pop" that gave him an edge over the competition.
I am a believer in less food and less cardio. Its sort of the opposite of conventional thinking; more cardio and more food. ... He (Troy) was eating about 2000 calories a day."
too little for optimal growth, even with super high carb intake
I think it's enough for natural and lean growth.it is enough for SOME growth. but not enough for as much growth as possible.
haha I like Chris
How many calories do you average a day wavelength? I find that if I go above 2000 a day I will gain. I kept dropping and dropping the calories until I found that 1200 to 1500 will keep me good. With that intake I can definitely binge a few days here and there and not blow up.
About 2000-2200 I guess, counting in the weekly pig-out day. At that intake I'm losing weight slowly.
1200-1500 doesn't sound very much, what's your weight?