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Okay so I've been reading a lot about rfid and the implantable rfids. Does that scare anyone else? Also, the Bible mentions something similar to this. It says no man shall be able to buy stuff without the mark in their hand or head. How is it possible the Bible, or the fairy tale book as most people on here refer to it as, could have been right about this? Just makes you wonder.
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How is it possible the Bible, or the fairy tale book as most people on here refer to it as, could have been right about this?
Same way I can say that one eye color will be universal in all humans and in about... oh what, 2000 years or so?? And then my prediction might be perceived as "accurate" and "right". Thus making me a prophet. Even somewhat like the very slim possibility of RFID.
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Okay so I've been reading a lot about rfid and the implantable rfids. Does that scare anyone else? Also, the Bible mentions something similar to this. It says no man shall be able to buy stuff without the mark in their hand or head. How is it possible the Bible, or the fairy tale book as most people on here refer to it as, could have been right about this? Just makes you wonder.
It should make you aware that the BIBLE is NOT a fairy tale book. Not only is the MARK OF THE BEAST spoken of but it also tells of america and the financial state it is in as well as the fact that it will be destroyed. You should read the BIBLE more...very accurate stuff in there.
Same way I can say that one eye color will be universal in all humans and in about... oh what, 2000 years or so?? And then my prediction might be perceived as "accurate" and "right". Thus making me a prophet. Even somewhat like the very slim possibility of RFID.
Well it has been more than 2000 years of humans on the planet and guess what..eye colors are still diverse. Now if you want to be really prophetic.... tell me what will become of america, Europe, Russia, Middle East, China and Africa in the very near future...and the events that will lead up to this "becoming"??
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It has become obvious that the individuals responsible for guiding the destiny of this planet are directly following scripture from the Bible. What is puzzling is as obvious as this is, atheists are still in complete denial.
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It has become obvious that the individuals responsible for guiding the destiny of this planet are directly following scripture from the Bible. What is puzzling is as obvious as this is, atheists are still in complete denial.
I guess we're all waiting for natural selection to wipe these people out ;D
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Okay so I've been reading a lot about rfid and the implantable rfids. Does that scare anyone else? Also, the Bible mentions something similar to this. It says no man shall be able to buy stuff without the mark in their hand or head. How is it possible the Bible, or the fairy tale book as most people on here refer to it as, could have been right about this? Just makes you wonder.
nobody here gives a rats ass. Well a few but they're the same ones who have been posting on it. You won't get an OMG, this is fucked up out of anyone here.
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Rf id is a means for the authorities, government, "the Man"...whatever you want to call it, to track all your activities by following your purchases. If there are no anonymous financial transactions, there can be no "underground". All things will be known, you can't buy marijuana, steroids, firearms, anything on the quiet...anything considered "contraband". They will try to do this by minting currency with Microscopic Rf id chips in the money that will have the serial numbers encoded. They will know who has given you money because the banks will be required to make the information available to..."the Man". Retailers, service providers will have the same requirements. If the chips are in the consumer products, they will know what you buy, and who sold it to you, how much you paid. If you go buy that ounce of marijuana one weekend, there will be an imbalance somewhere. Plus if they intercept a drug trafficker's money, they will know who gave it to them, because of the encoded serial numbers.
Really, it can be looked upon as a twenty first century version of the stamp act of 1765 where Britain wanted to track financial transactions, legal documents, permits, commercial contracts, newspapers, wills, pamphlets, and playing cards in the American colonies.
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RFID is can be easily blocked or destroyed.
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RFID is can be easily blocked or destroyed.
Obviously it can be, but the concern is that without said implant, a person will not be able to conduct any transactions.
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RFID is can be easily blocked or destroyed.
hahaha, and then what? You didn't think about that did you?
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hahaha, and then what? You didn't think about that did you?
Considering that the OP was worried about them being in him I simply specified that they can be easily become a nonissue.
You're "then what" applies to what? No where in this thread anyone mentioned a specific situation , only the general idea of putting a chip in you was mentioned.
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Considering that the OP was worried about them being in him I simply specified that they can be easily become a nonissue.
You're "then what" applies to what? No where in this thread anyone mentioned a specific situation , only the general idea of putting a chip in you was mentioned.
yes he did. ::) Can't you read?
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yes he did. ::) Can't you read?
Saying that he read somewhere about something and that the bible mentioned something about something is hardly a comment that is worth taking into account.
Not to mention that I got a BSPF running on most of the posters here so I don't take most of their words too seriously.
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Rf id is a means for the authorities, government, "the Man"...whatever you want to call it, to track all your activities by following your purchases. If there are no anonymous financial transactions, there can be no "underground". All things will be known, you can't buy marijuana, steroids, firearms, anything on the quiet...anything considered "contraband". They will try to do this by minting currency with Microscopic Rf id chips in the money that will have the serial numbers encoded. They will know who has given you money because the banks will be required to make the information available to..."the Man". Retailers, service providers will have the same requirements. If the chips are in the consumer products, they will know what you buy, and who sold it to you, how much you paid. If you go buy that ounce of marijuana one weekend, there will be an imbalance somewhere. Plus if they intercept a drug trafficker's money, they will know who gave it to them, because of the encoded serial numbers.
Really, it can be looked upon as a twenty first century version of the stamp act of 1765 where Britain wanted to track financial transactions, legal documents, permits, commercial contracts, newspapers, wills, pamphlets, and playing cards in the American colonies.
Unlikely - mostly because you could quite easily 'wipe' the RFID if you wanted. Plus the fact is a lot of transactions & gifts still occur between individuals where there is no logging to 'the man'.
The more likely scenario is we all get chipped with RFID and these replace money to a large extent or even we still have money but the chips inside us are read wherever we go.
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
I could see it happening. They are trying to pass a law that creates a nationalized drivers license. This license will have an rfid transmitter inside it. Very small step to implants from there.
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
According to the bible, the mark (possibly being chipped) will be the only option for buying and selling.
“And he (the Antichrist) causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand, or on their forehead, and he provides that no one should be able to buy or sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name." (Revelation 13:16-17)
Some people contend believers that would have never accepted the chip will have been "raptured" previously to this time period and later others will be killed for refusing the chip.
"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands." (Rev. 20:4).
Plus they could make it appealing as an end to cash-related crimes and identity theft etc. and our desire for convenience....for instance you could walk into a store and walk out w/your merchandise...no lines...sensors could determined who and what you should be charged.
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
hahaha, there's a time I would never have thought the British would have ever put up with a tenth of the big brother shit you guys have today, but here you are proving me completely wrong.
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I could see it happening. They are trying to pass a law that creates a nationalized drivers license. This license will have an rfid transmitter inside it. Very small step to implants from there.
forced implants don't even have to really happen do they? I mean if everyone has to have their RFID transmitting ID to do anything, what's the difference? And that shit is on the doorstep.
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It should make you aware that the BIBLE is NOT a fairy tale book. Not only is the MARK OF THE BEAST spoken of but it also tells of america and the financial state it is in as well as the fact that it will be destroyed. You should read the BIBLE more...very accurate stuff in there.
Well it has been more than 2000 years of humans on the planet and guess what..eye colors are still diverse. Now if you want to be really prophetic.... tell me what will become of america, Europe, Russia, Middle East, China and Africa in the very near future...and the events that will lead up to this "becoming"??
The Bible isn't a fairy tale book? Good one!!!!!!! You're quite the joker!
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The Bible isn't a fairy tale book? Good one!!!!!!! You're quite the joker!
Whether you think its a fairy tale or not is irrelavent. It's the script that's being followed. Why is that so hard to understand for athiests? I'd suggest you get reading.
Here is Aaron Russo commenting on the subject. He had no reason to lie about the subject...
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Rf id is a means for the authorities, government, "the Man"...whatever you want to call it, to track all your activities by following your purchases. If there are no anonymous financial transactions, there can be no "underground". All things will be known, you can't buy marijuana, steroids, firearms, anything on the quiet...anything considered "contraband". They will try to do this by minting currency with Microscopic Rf id chips in the money that will have the serial numbers encoded. They will know who has given you money because the banks will be required to make the information available to..."the Man". Retailers, service providers will have the same requirements. If the chips are in the consumer products, they will know what you buy, and who sold it to you, how much you paid. If you go buy that ounce of marijuana one weekend, there will be an imbalance somewhere. Plus if they intercept a drug trafficker's money, they will know who gave it to them, because of the encoded serial numbers.
Really, it can be looked upon as a twenty first century version of the stamp act of 1765 where Britain wanted to track financial transactions, legal documents, permits, commercial contracts, newspapers, wills, pamphlets, and playing cards in the American colonies.
people can barter if it gets that bad, people don't want paper or electronic numbers, they want goods and services.
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hahaha, there's a time I would never have thought the British would have ever put up with a tenth of the big brother shit you guys have today, but here you are proving me completely wrong.
Same with the Yanks do isn't it? Wire tapping and all that...
There could be a movement... I've been thinking about this since getting a speeding ticket... that if every citizen showed their desire physically to remove the cameras the government wouldn't have power to stop the action, people being as apathetic as they are would never do it, but if it happened the big brother system could be taken down by the people OVER NIGHT.
What this has to do with speeding tickets is... that if everyone started going 100MPH on the highway/motorway the traffic cops would be POWERLESS to stop it and the government would have to concede...
A bit anarchist I know but honestly think we need some of that shit right now...
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Same with the Yanks do isn't it? Wire tapping and all that...
There could be a movement... I've been thinking about this since getting a speeding ticket... that if every citizen showed their desire physically to remove the cameras the government would have power to stop the action, people being as apathetic as they are would never do it, but if it happened the big brother system could be taken down by the people OVER NIGHT.
What this has to do with speeding tickets is... that if everyone started going 100MPH on the highway/motorway the traffic cops would be POWERLESS to stop it and the government would have to concede...
A bit anarchist I know but honestly think we need some of that shit right now...
yes, I'm shocked and disappointed with what we've allowed to happen too. Still I can't count the number of shocking Big Brother news that's come out of England over recent years. It seems like it starts over there and we follow shortly after. And I'm mostly talking about the In Your Face Big Brother stuff. Remember, most of the wire tapping stuff and all that was denied over and over and later was revealed as true. With you guys over there, I've been shocked at what you've accepted knowingly. I'm just saying, go back 25 years ago or so and tell people over there that the landscape of London today would look very Big Brother and many would probably say no way, they won't accept it. Well here we are and they do. Now with this RFID stuff, I'm sure if they came out tomorrow and said, hey, you all have to have this thing or you can't do anything, there would be huge opposition. But introduce it gradually and get everyone use to the benefits of it for both business and consumer, toss in a major national crisis and years down the road, it becomes a different perspective entirely.
I think you're right, or I hope you're right that there could be a movement to reverse some of this nonsense. But perhaps I'm just a dreamer
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I don't doubt it's in the realm of possibility; but honestly can't see it happening any time soon.
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I don't doubt it's in the realm of possibility; but honestly can't see it happening any time soon.
I don't think it ever happens soon. New tech comes along and a few see the possibilities and express worry and are always denounced because the vision of such seems absurd. The ideal would be to stop the direction so that it doesn't have a chance to happen, but that never happens. People always judge based on the time they're living in. Well when the time comes rolling around 20+ years later to what they wouldn't have gone for in the past, it's to late, a new crop, larger, younger population has come up with a new social set. To me, it makes sense to set legal framework now for what things like this can and can't be used for. If it's absurd and wasn't going to happen, then there is no harm no foul, nothing changed. The only possible outcome by acting now is positive. Saying it won't happen anytime soon and leaving it at that has always been the enabling mindset which has allowed over the line shit to come about.
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To me, it makes sense to set legal framework now for what things like this can and can't be used for. If it's absurd and wasn't going to happen, then there is no harm no foul, nothing changed. The only possible outcome by acting now is positive.
Absolutely, no loss to the government, just a more comfortable populace... unless of course they have other motives...
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Absolutely, no loss to the government, just a more comfortable populace... unless of course they have other motives...
exactly and if you started to say, get stuff on the ballot with this kind of wording, I have a sneaking suspicion that it would be opposed. Most likely by those corporations who own the technology.
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exactly and if you started to say, get stuff on the ballot with this kind of wording, I have a sneaking suspicion that it would be opposed. Most likely by those corporations who own the technology.
Plus I think the governments have done a good job of making a substantial % of people have a mind set that would label you crazy for suggesting such things.
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Anything more known about this (the Government attempting to have control of all water)?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=279611.0
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Anything more known about this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=279611.0
looks like they lost 1 co-sponsor from the stated number in that thread, other than that no changes
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/show
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people can barter if it gets that bad,
That might last for awhile.
looks like they lost 1 co-sponsor from the stated number in that thread, other than that no changes
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/show
Thanks Hugo, good link.
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Cash to Become Extinct as Chips Take Off
related: Supermarkets to Refuse Cash
ATMs to Move Beyond Just Cash
June 15, 2009
By Anthony Keane
The Advertiser, News Limited, Australia
CASH is accelerating down the path to extinction as new technologies threaten to mark the end of loose change within a decade.
Photo: Extinct? ... bank bosses have predicted the decline of cash as transactions are done through microchips.
Bank and credit union bosses say cash won't be alone, with wallets and credit cards also likely to disappear too.
They told The Advertiser's round table forum that cash and cards will be replaced by computer chips embedded in mobile phones, watches or other portable devices.
Australian Central chief executive Peter Evers believes cash will be replaced for most transactions in five-to-seven years.
"Cash will disappear as there will be other forms of carrying cash, stored value in your phone or whatever it might be. It will transfer automatically," he said.
"We're very close in countries around the world. If you go in to Hong Kong or Singapore, the low-value transactions have already disappeared. You can't go anywhere, like on public transport, without pre-purchasing a card.
"I think the Australian Payment Systems Board is very much on top of it and is trying to move down a path, but hasn't publicly put things into place yet."
BankSA general manager strategy and operations Chris Ward expects Australia to follow the offshore lead, with small cash transactions disappearing first.
"So you can't go and buy a bottle of water from the deli with cash; you've got to go and buy it with your chip," he said.
Bendigo and Adelaide Bank state manager SA/NT John Oliver said it was easier for retailers to use electronic transactions than manual cash transactions.
Savings & Loans chief executive Greg Connor said the concept of the wallet would go.
"Whereas now we have a wallet and purse, it will be a chip in your phone or your watch or something like that as your access," he said.
Mr Evers said credit cards were on the way out as well.
"The access to credit is still going to be there through the mobile phone, but you don't need the card because that's really only a means of identification," he said.
"There could be another way of identifying, but the product, revolving credit, will still sit there."
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25637102-5014239,00.html
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"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the
beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short...
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the
beast for it is a human number, its number is Six hundred and
sixty six."
(http://ironmaiden.webvis.net/images/Albums/The-Number-Of-The-Beast/The-Number-Of-The-Beast.jpg)
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
Yes.
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You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.
Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.
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Cash to Become Extinct as Chips Take Off
related: Supermarkets to Refuse Cash
ATMs to Move Beyond Just Cash
June 15, 2009
By Anthony Keane
The Advertiser, News Limited, Australia
CASH is accelerating down the path to extinction as new technologies threaten to mark the end of loose change within a decade.
Photo: Extinct? ... bank bosses have predicted the decline of cash as transactions are done through microchips.
Bank and credit union bosses say cash won't be alone, with wallets and credit cards also likely to disappear too.
They told The Advertiser's round table forum that cash and cards will be replaced by computer chips embedded in mobile phones, watches or other portable devices.
Australian Central chief executive Peter Evers believes cash will be replaced for most transactions in five-to-seven years.
"Cash will disappear as there will be other forms of carrying cash, stored value in your phone or whatever it might be. It will transfer automatically," he said.
"We're very close in countries around the world. If you go in to Hong Kong or Singapore, the low-value transactions have already disappeared. You can't go anywhere, like on public transport, without pre-purchasing a card.
"I think the Australian Payment Systems Board is very much on top of it and is trying to move down a path, but hasn't publicly put things into place yet."
BankSA general manager strategy and operations Chris Ward expects Australia to follow the offshore lead, with small cash transactions disappearing first.
"So you can't go and buy a bottle of water from the deli with cash; you've got to go and buy it with your chip," he said.
Bendigo and Adelaide Bank state manager SA/NT John Oliver said it was easier for retailers to use electronic transactions than manual cash transactions.
Savings & Loans chief executive Greg Connor said the concept of the wallet would go.
"Whereas now we have a wallet and purse, it will be a chip in your phone or your watch or something like that as your access," he said.
Mr Evers said credit cards were on the way out as well.
"The access to credit is still going to be there through the mobile phone, but you don't need the card because that's really only a means of identification," he said.
"There could be another way of identifying, but the product, revolving credit, will still sit there."
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25637102-5014239,00.html
Cash is definitely becoming extinct.
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Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.
I see stupid people everywhere. I'll be shocked if Nordic doesn't too. They'll go for it. Set up the right series of events and they'll line up.
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this stuff will probably be voluntary at first. A way to quickly move through stores, airport security, never going to the bank etc. People will be waiting in line with a cart full of groceries as the chipped people walk right past them with a cart full of things they bagged right off the shelf and then they'll want it. That's one way I see this could get started. Then once everyone is accustomed to it, it's only a crisis away from being required.
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Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.
Yup. I have many friends who would be considered "techy" and new age etc. They not only laugh at religion, they pray they could get something as awesome as a microchip in their hands. They'd never think twice. Hell consider you an idiot for even considering NOT getting one.
The Bible also says we all get a chance to side with God and choose which way we go. Assuming we don't get taken during Rapture. I don't see this being a pretty experience. Starving to death someplace clutching a Bible to show your faith does not sound fun, but will simply be the only path for many.
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Yup. I have many friends who would be considered "techy" and new age etc. They not only laugh at religion, they pray they could get something as awesome as a microchip in their hands. They'd never think twice. Hell consider you an idiot for even considering NOT getting one.
I'm a programmer, atheist and I consider myself as much against this shit as anyone with religious reasoning why not to want it.
What I do find odd tho... is that manner governments implemented religion into society for their own benefit to control, yet now it seems the Christian religion is one of the greatest barriers to a NWO? Hmm...
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I'm a programmer, atheist and I consider myself as much against this shit as anyone with religious reasoning why not to want it.
What I do find odd tho... is that manner governments implemented religion into society for their own benefit to control, yet now it seems the Christian religion is one of the greatest barriers to a NWO? Hmm...
They seem to be for a NWO imo. A lot of them anyway. It's Global Governance they have a problem with. I know that's odd.
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They seem to be for a NWO imo. A lot of them anyway. It's Global Governance they have a problem with. I know that's odd.
Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:
(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!
(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!
Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?
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Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:
(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!
(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!
Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?
I know, wtf? lol... I don't get that either.
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The only logical explanation would be that since the rapture is coming they(christians) don't really care what happens.
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Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:
(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!
(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!
Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?
I don't necessarily think your guess is correct but I need more info please.
I will try to answer from my perspective but can you explain what you mean by NWO? I mean, I think you are saying New World Order but what aspects are you referring to in your equation?
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They seem to be for a NWO imo. A lot of them anyway. It's Global Governance they have a problem with. I know that's odd.
my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.
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my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.
If implanting a chip like that into the body is a part of the NWO definition, then I agree, most Christians w/a knowledge of bible prophecy wouldn't be for the NWO in either equation.
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my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.
yea, no way, didn't mean to imply all.
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Nordic you might be interested in this:
2005
A Scottish nightclub is about to become the first in Britain to offer its customers the chance to have a microchip implanted in their arm to save them carrying cash.
The "digital wallet", the size of a grain of rice, guarantees entry to the club and allows customers to buy drinks on account. Brad Stevens, owner of Bar Soba in Glasgow, said his customers had responded enthusiastically to the idea.
The VeriChip is inserted by a medical professional and then scanned for its unique ID number as a customer enters the bar.
"There are a number of advantages, from instant access, to not having to carry money or credit cards, to letting bar staff know a customer's name and favourite drink," said Mr Stevens. "By the time you walk through the door to the bar, your favourite drink is waiting for you and the bar staff can greet you by name."
However, he said the bar would also have to make sure that customers with the chip had a limit on how much they could spend to prevent them drinking beyond their ability to pay.
The scheme was criticised by a spokesman for the Scottish Executive, who said the microchip could encourage excessive drinking, and by Notags, a consumer group set up to resist the spread of radio frequency identification devices.
A spokesman said: "The chip contains your name and ID number and, as this could be read remotely without your knowledge, that is already too much information."
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Church Implants Microchips in Members’ Right Hands
CROCKETT’S BLUFF, AR – In a startling collision of modern technology and ministry, Crockett’s Bluff Community Church is the first known church in America to use Logitech’s biochip technology to receive its weekly tithes and offerings.
According to last year’s church theme - “Be ID’d With CBCC in ‘03″ - the congregation of 15,782 outfitted each member of its flock with a subdermal microchip in the right hand. The device, smaller than a mustard seed, contains the banking information of each worshipper and is scanned by an usher as he or she enters the sanctuary.
Pastor Bud Caldwell readily admits news of the action is sure to send end times specialists scrambling to rewrite their works of eschatological punditry. “Oh there’ll be a buzz for a while. Especially from the Van Impe’s. Forgive me for saying this, but it doesn’t take much for Rexella to get her prophetic panties in a bunch. If those two were halfway to heaven when credit cards came out, I can only imagine.”
cont... http://www.holyobserver.com/techno-tithe-church-implants-microchips-in-members-right-hands/
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"Be part of the In Crowd" ::)
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"Cincinnati video surveillance company CityWatcher.com now requires employees to use VeriChip human implantable microchips to enter a secure data center"
http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/us-employees-verichipped.html
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Andy Rooney promotes the mark of the beast...
"We need some system for permanently identifying safe people... a tattoo somewhere maybe... I wouldn't mind having something implanted permanently in my arm"
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Tommy Thompson taking the Verichip...
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IBM RFID TV Advertisment - Start Shopping As a Chipped Human Now
THIS SHIT IS COMMING ON FASTER THAN I IMAGINED. commercials promoting it, politicians taking and promoting it, nightclubs in America and Europe, Police Officers having the implants, Companies requiring the implants. People taking them already in the name of convenience. It's here and it's going to get bigger and bigger.
I'll go back to Christians on this. They're clearly the biggest most powerful group in America. They put up one hell of a fight against Gays... Where is the outrage over the RFID/IBM/Verichip direction? If they're not fighting this, what does that say?
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That IBM advert is fucking scary shit :o
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That IBM advert is fucking scary shit :o
It even looks gloomy/evil like they filmed it that way on purpose. I thought it was a spoof at first but it's real.
Here is another one from IBM. I just watched this for the first time today and did a doubletake thinking of the post I made in this thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284217.msg4051279#msg4051279
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It even looks gloomy/evil like they filmed it that way on purpose. I thought it was a spoof at first but it's real.
Here is another one from IBM. I just watched this for the first time today and did a doubletake thinking of the post I made in this thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284217.msg4051279#msg4051279
Hugo...everything's gonna be alright...
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These adverts are just odd and disturbing.
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Hugo...everything's gonna be alright...
I don't give a flying fuck. I find it all interesting, that's all. I gave up any actual personal hope that the people would guard against any misuse of shit like this a long long time ago. They deserve what comes of it.
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holy shit! Check this shit out. Why mythbusters and Discovery won't touch any serious RFID issues...
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How to hack RFID-enabled Credit Cards for $8
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How to hack RFID-enabled Credit Cards for $8
So encase the chip in stainless before implantation?
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I'll go back to Christians on this. They're clearly the biggest most powerful group in America. They put up one hell of a fight against Gays... Where is the outrage over the RFID/IBM/Verichip direction? If they're not fighting this, what does that say?
I don't give a flying fuck. I find it all interesting, that's all. I gave up any actual personal hope that the people would guard against any misuse of shit like this a long long time ago. They deserve what comes of it.
Maybe Christians (that are aware of what this could be) are not that afraid of the technology until it becomes a requirement. If it comes down to it, I won't be chipped. People I know talk about this stuff and share about the dangers of it though. It's up to each person whether they will believe it though. Many people already think Christians are nuts....do you think the louder we would shout about this it would help?
Another theory is that by the time this thing becomes a requirement to buy and sell Christians will be out of the way ("raptured") anyway so many voices in opposition to this stuff won't be there.
Here is a good article re: The Mark of the Beast that was written a few years ago which brings in the biblical perspective of things.
Beware: The Mark of the Beast!
www.JesusSoonReturn.com
The purpose of this report is to warn people of the coming “mark,” and especially warn them of the eternal consequences for consenting to this mark on themselves.
“And he (the Antichrist) causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand, or on their forehead, and he provides that no one should be able to buy or sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for that number is that of a man, and the number is six hundred and sixty-six.” (Revelation 13:16-18)
These ancient words from Holy Scripture, revealed by God to the Apostle John, describe a condition of world political and economic tyranny during the prophesied Great Tribulation of the last days just before Christ’s return. The world will be under the control of “the beast.”
The beast is the Antichrist, who will be a man, and appear as a man, but who will also be the incarnation of Satan, Satan in human form. He will be a brilliant, charming, and charismatic leader, but also devious, cruel, and totally evil.
The above passage speaks of a “mark” which the Antichrist will try to place on every person as a means of identification and control. It will be used in commerce, and without it no one will be able to buy or sell anything, making it a perfect device to control the masses and demand their allegiance. To live, people must eat and have goods. Therefore, this required mark will be able to totally control people – that is, most people. There will be some who reject the mark, for a most critical reason explained later below.
Until recent years, such a “mark” was a great mystery. No one had any idea what it meant or how it would work. But for centuries the faithful have believed it, simply because it was in God’s Word. But with modern technology, just in the past few years, it is now clear how it could work. In fact, “mark” technology is already available.
The mark could possibly be an implantable biochip, sometimes called a microchip, a rice-size radio frequency chip implanted in the human body just under the skin, such as on the hand, just like the book of Revelation says! They are already available and in use!
Biochips are being used in animals to identify pets and to track herds. It is expected that millions of animals will soon have this chip. Several companies are involved in this. One such company says, “Our goal is to ‘chip’ every pet in the U.S.” Radio frequency emissions from an implanted chip are picked up and transferred to a computer database, which quickly identifies the animal.
This is merely a prelude to a mandatory implantable biochip in every human. At first, the purpose will appear beneficial and actually good, such as for identification and medical history. Some are already implanting biochips in children so they can be tracked in cases of abduction.
The “smart card”, already in use, is a prelude to the biochip. Europe is reportedly in the lead in identification technology. The smart card was invented by a Frenchman. At this writing, about 150 million Europeans already have smart cards. In the U.S., a card called the MARC (interesting name!) is being used with military personnel. The MARC has a bar code, a magnetic strip, embossed data, a digitized photograph, and an integrated circuit (IC) computer chip bonded to it.
The universal health card planned under President Clinton’s defeated effort to socialize the U.S. medical industry would have been a beginning for universal smart card use. Possibly no one could have received healthcare without this card. The process was probably only delayed.
An implanted biochip will be much more efficient than a smart card and will be permanently personal; not subject to loss and theft.
It is not the purpose of this report to go into detail on smart card and biochip technology, uses and trends. Much has been written and is available to the public, such as in bookstores and libraries. On the Internet, just type those words into a search engine and numerous references will be given. The purpose of this report is to only briefly explain their reality, but more importantly, to issue a most serious warning:
Do not take the mark of the beast!
“And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “if anyone worships and beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” (Revelation 14:9-11)
A most critical problem is revealed here. It is not just a matter of receiving a mark for purposes of identification and commerce. Receiving it will require one to “worship the [Antichrist] and his image” (verse 11). How can this be?
Obviously, this tyrant ruler, the Antichrist, will require people to deny the great Creator God and his Son Jesus Christ and declare his own deity before they will be given a “mark,” which they will need to buy food or anything else needed to live. If a person denies God and His merciful blood atonement through Christ, which is the only way one can escape eternal torment, they will cast away and forfeit all chance at salvation. The pressure to do so will be immense. But if you are living on the earth at the time this happens and did not make the rapture or catching away of believers when it occurred, DO NOT TAKE THIS MARK NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, even if it means your physical death!
This will be a time of severe testing for you. If you refuse the mark, you may die a martyr, but you will live with Christ in paradise forever and ever. Taking the mark may buy you only a few days, or at best a few months or years of physical life on this earth. It is not worth it!
As I write this, there is relative peace and tranquility in the world, with some exceptions. But tensions are rising. The New World Order is emerging. National sovereignties are being ignored in favor of the United Nations and NATO. Jerusalem is becoming a source of international conflict, precisely as prophesized by the ancient Hebrew prophet Zachariah (12:3). It is an explosion waiting to happen. Horror weapons of mass destruction have been proliferated to rogue nations and terrorists, and many experts, including the U.S. Senate, predict they will soon be used.
It is believed that the Antichrist will soon arise out of international chaos, and that he will be a charismatic leader who will seem to have solutions to the world’s overwhelming economic, social, and political problems. He will receive a fatal wound, but will recover (Revelation 13:3). He will blaspheme God. Thinking him divine and wonderful, or just to be able to buy and sell, most of the inhabitants of the earth will worship him – except those whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE belonging to the Lamb (Jesus Christ).
And it was given to him (The antichrist) to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of THE LAMB who has been slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear (Revelation 13:7-9).
The LAMB is the Lord JESUS CHRIST who was slain as a Lamb and shed His own blood to purchase our redemption, just as prophesied by the ancient Hebrew prophet, Isaiah, several hundred years before His birth (e.g. chapter 53).
The revelation of the Antichrist
The Lord Jesus Christ is coming, first to rapture or catch away His church, those who placed their trust in Him during the 2,000 year church age. He will then come in power at the end of the Great Tribulation, which He described: “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, no ever shall” (Matthew 24:21).
Guided by the Holy Spirit, the Apostle Paul wrote, concerning “the day of the Lord”:
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (the day of the Lord) will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things: And you know what restrains him now so that in his time he may be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming: that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, in order that they may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. And it was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory or our Lord Jesus Christ. So then brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us (2 Thessalonians 3:15)
As Christ is coming, so is Antichrist during the Tribulation. Many people will be deceived by the Antichrist. Many people will die. But many, whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, will be faithful until the end.
If you are reading this and you find yourself in this situation, just remember the words of the Lord and stand firm. If you have received Christ, you were written about thousands of years ago. God knows exactly who you are, by name. You are chosen. And as recorded in the Scriptures above, we “give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit, and faith in the truth.”
Just in case…
Just in case you have never “received” Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, I urge you to do so right now, at this very moment: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.” (John 1:12). We receive Him by faith: “FOR BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, THAT NO ONE SHOULD BOAST” (Ephesians 2:8-9). We receive Him by invitation: “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him” (Revelation 3:20).
Here is a suggested prayer to receive Christ: “Dear Lord Jesus. I need you. I believe you are the Son of God and that you died for my sins. I ask you to forgive my sins and come into my heart to be my Lord and Savior. Help me to live for you, and if necessary die for you. By faith, I open the door of my heart and I receive you right now, and I thank you for what you have done and will do. In Jesus’ name. Amen”.
Talk to God (pray) frequently. Read His Word (the Bible). Fellowship with other believers. May God bless and sustain you, and give you courage and peace.
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Stella, yes, if Christians were united against this technology it wouldn't stand a chance. They're a lot more vocal over gays than they are the coming of the mark. Plus a lot on the left are against this stuff of other reasons too so that really just leaves the corporations profiting and a few dimwits who think it's cool for it. For what this represents to Christians, I'm baffled at the relative silence. There was probably more outcry over prop 8 than putting guards in place against misuse of this technology. I mean if they're going to accept the end coming and this just being part of it, why the hell worry about gays and all that? Ok, they figure they won't take the chip if it comes to that? Nobody was knocking on their doors forcing them into a gay marriage either :D
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Stella, yes, if Christians were united against this technology it wouldn't stand a chance. They're a lot more vocal over gays than they are the coming of the mark. Plus a lot on the left are against this stuff of other reasons too so that really just leaves the corporations profiting and a few dimwits who think it's cool for it. For what this represents to Christians, I'm baffled at the relative silence. There was probably more outcry over prop 8 than putting guards in place against misuse of this technology. I mean if they're going to accept the end coming and this just being part of it, why the hell worry about gays and all that? Ok, they figure they won't take the chip if it comes to that? Nobody was knocking on their doors forcing them into a gay marriage either :D
I'm not one that gets overly excited about the gay thing so I really didn't follow Prop 8 and other gay stuff.
What do you think Christians should do to protest/put guards in place against this technology?
If a company makes it and sells it to people that want it and it's not illegal, how can people stop it from happening? What are your suggestions?
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I'm not one that gets overly excited about the gay thing so I really didn't follow Prop 8 and other gay stuff.
What do you think Christians should do to protest/put guards in place against this technology?
If a company makes it and sells it to people that want it and it's not illegal, how can people stop it from happening? What are your suggestions?
easy, make it illegal now. Define what it can and more importantly can't be used for. This isn't unusual when new technology is presented to us, especially when it's controversial. Just like Stem Cells and all those embryo issues. There was a pretty significant Christian opposition to that and in turn you have politicians playing to it and it was very limited. What should be done now is to define where you can go with this and where you can't. First thing on the list of don'ts is that no matter what this cannot be forced on ANY person by any means including orchestrated nessecity. In other words it can't be "voluntary" and at the same time have the banks or other basic service/industry require it.
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Hugo, the majority of the people who oppose same sex marriage in the US are not the same people who believe that there will be a "Mark of the Beast" or an "anti-Christ" or a "False Prophet." Of those who oppose same sex marriage in the US, few believe these things.
Many different religions oppose same sex marriage, as do many secular people who are socially conservative.
That is why you don't see the same group opposing this new technology.
I have heard that when Social Security numbers first came out in the US years ago, some Christians believed it was the mark of the beast, but it wasn't it. Same thing when credit card numbers first came out, but it wasn't it. Now it's this chip.
Many of those who believe that the world will be forced to take this mark of the beast also believe that they will not be around to see it because they will be "raptured" out of this world, so why oppose it now?
Others believe that they will be here to see it, but they believe that there is nothing that can stop it. They believe that they will not take the mark and that they will have to hide. If they believe that they will have to hide from the government, why would they publicly protest and freely expose themselves to the government as the opposition?
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Hugo...everything's gonna be alright...
No it's not!
The United States will still be here to ruin the world!
US BAD!!! BAD BAD BAD AAAAAAGHGHGGH!!!!!!
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No it's not!
The United States will still be here to ruin the world!
US BAD!!! BAD BAD BAD AAAAAAGHGHGGH!!!!!!
why would you blame the United States for evil shit? Isn't it better to blame those responsible rather than the whole country. The spirit of what's right is alive in many but it only takes a few among many to do wrong that effects us all. Weed out the bad, don't blame the whole. No need to be anti-American because something is wrong.
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why would you blame the United States for evil shit? Isn't it better to blame those responsible rather than the whole country. The spirit of what's right is alive in many but it only takes a few among many to do wrong that effects us all. Weed out the bad, don't blame the whole. No need to be anti-American because something is wrong.
Certian ones among us blame the US as a whole for all the worlds ills.
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Hugo, the majority of the people who oppose same sex marriage in the US are not the same people who believe that there will be a "Mark of the Beast" or an "anti-Christ" or a "False Prophet." Of those who oppose same sex marriage in the US, few believe these things.
Sorry, I don't believe that for a second. I'm not saying non christians were not against gay marriage, I'm sure many were. That's not the point. The fact is the majority of the fight financially came from Christian groups. I posted those stats in the thread on prop 8 a while back. It's obviously very important to Christians...
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Sorry, I don't believe that for a second. I'm not saying non christians were not against gay marriage, I'm sure many were. That's not the point. The fact is the majority of the fight financially came from Christian groups. I posted those stats in the thread on prop 8 a while back. It's obviously very important to Christians...
Mormons? Evangelical Christians do not consider Mormons true Christians, and I do not know what Mormons believe about the Mark of the Beast. So I would not expect them to oppose the chip for religious reasons.
Of all the Christians who oppose same sex marriage, many believe that the events described in the book of Daniel and in the book of Revelation already happened in the first and second centuries. They don't believe that this chip will be the Mark of the Beast because they do not believe that there will ever be a Mark of the Beast. So don't expect them to oppose this technology either.
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Sorry, I don't believe that for a second. I'm not saying non christians were not against gay marriage, I'm sure many were. That's not the point. The fact is the majority of the fight financially came from Christian groups. I posted those stats in the thread on prop 8 a while back. It's obviously very important to Christians...
Also very important to the voters in Hawaii and Oregon, both overwhelmingly liberal states. Also very important to all the Democrats in Congress who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act and the Democrat president who signed it into law.
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Also very important to the voters in Hawaii and Oregon, both overwhelmingly liberal states. Also very important to all the Democrats in Congress who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act and the Democrat president who signed it into law.
still not my point, but ok.
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Mormons? Evangelical Christians do not consider Mormons true Christians, and I do not know what Mormons believe about the Mark of the Beast. So I would not expect them to oppose the chip for religious reasons.
Of all the Christians who oppose same sex marriage, many believe that the events described in the book of Daniel and in the book of Revelation already happened in the first and second centuries. They don't believe that this chip will be the Mark of the Beast because they do not believe that there will ever be a Mark of the Beast. So don't expect them to oppose this technology either.
where the hell did you dig up this fantasy? Any links to any Christian sites that can back this up? I believe they were talking about that time too, but of all the Christians I've known and I've known a lot living in Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, none of them believed Revelations was not a book for our end times.
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still not my point, but ok.
Your point was twofold: (1) religious groups provided a majority of the funding and (2) the issue is "obviously very important to Christians." I was addressing (2).
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Your point was twofold: (1) religious groups provided a majority of the funding and (2) the issue is "obviously very important to Christians." I was addressing (2).
yea ok and?
I was just pointing out that the issue is important to Christians, they put up a fight, financially and vocally againt gays with some success.... Not so much so on the what appears to be the workings of the mythical "Mark"
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yea ok and?
I was just pointing out that the issue is important to Christians, they put up a fight, financially and vocally againt gays with some success.... Not so much so on the what appears to be the workings of the mythical "Mark"
And what? That's it. You said the issue was important to Christians. I simply pointed out it was important to a lot of others too. Wasn't addressing the financial part, the "mark of the beast," etc.
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where the hell did you dig up this fantasy? Any links to any Christian sites that can back this up? I believe they were talking about that time too, but of all the Christians I've known and I've known a lot living in Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, none of them believed Revelations was not a book for our end times.
No matter what you've read on the Internet or what your Christian buddies have told you, it does not follow that what I said is fantasy or that I dug it up. ::)
I grew up in a Christian home and have attended church all my life, many different churches from many different Christian denominations in different parts of the US and Venezuela. My father attended seminary and earned masters degrees in Divinity and in Theology, and earned a PHD in Theology.
Go to any Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist church or seminary and ask the preacher or other leaders of the church or seminary professors. You'll see that most of them don't believe that The Mark of the Beast will happen because the end time events described in the book of Daniel, Mathew 24 and Revelations already happened in the first and second centuries, except for the return of Jesus Christ.
Now go to any Baptist or Pentecostal, or even non-denominational church and you'll meet more people who believe that The Rapture, The Beast and his Mark and a The Great Tribulation are coming soon, though even they disagree on the order of these events.
Google the various Christian eschatological systems.
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No matter what you've read on the Internet or what your Christian buddies have told you, it does not follow that what I said is fantasy or that I dug it up. ::)
I grew up in a Christian home and have attended church all my life, many different churches from many different Christian denominations in different parts of the US and Venezuela. My father attended seminary and earned a masters degrees in Divinity and in Theology, and earned a PHD in Theology.
Go to any Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist church or seminary and ask the preacher or other leaders of the church or seminary professors. You'll see that most of them don't believe that The Mark of the Beast will happen because the end time events described in the book of Daniel, Mathew 24 and Revelations already happened in the first and second centuries, except for the return of Jesus Christ.
Now go to any Baptist or Pentecostal church and you'll meet more people who believe that The Rapture, The Beast and his Mark and a The Great Tribulation are coming soon, though even they disagree on the order of these events.
Google the various Christian eschatological systems.
I'm not going to google it, you show me... If it's so common you shouldn't have a problem. Tune in any evangelical program on TV here in the states, it's not hard whatsoever to find them using Revelations in a perspective as to suggest it is meant for end times. It's also all over the radio. It's also common belief. I have no idea where you got otherwise.
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yea ok and?
I was just pointing out that the issue is important to Christians, they put up a fight, financially and vocally againt gays with some success.... Not so much so on the what appears to be the workings of the mythical "Mark"
And I asked you why would they put up a fight and expose who they are to the government when they believe that when the Mark of The Beast is imposed on them by the government, they'll have to go into hiding from the government?
Those who have already made up their mind not to take The Mark don't want the government to know who they are.
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I'm not going to google it, you show me... If it's so common you shouldn't have a problem. Tune in any evangelical program on TV here in the states, it's not hard whatsoever to find them using Revelations in a perspective as to suggest it is meant for end times. It's also all over the radio. It's also common belief. I have no idea where you got otherwise.
It doesn't matter. See above. There is good reason why you don't see Christians fighting this.
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Loco, it's actually more common for athiests to believe Revelations was a book for Christians of that early time than for Christians of today to think that.
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It doesn't matter. See above. There is good reason why you don't see Christians fighting this.
I quess you couldn't find anything ;)
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Loco, it's actually more common for athiests to believe Revelations was a book for Christians of that early time than for Christians of today to think that.
Don't take my word for it. Know of any Episcopalian, Presbyterian or Methodist churches in your area?
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And I asked you why would they put up a fight and expose who they are to the government when they believe that when the Mark of The Beast is imposed on them by the government, they'll have to go into hiding from the government?
Those who have already made up their mind not to take The Mark don't want the government to know who they are.
yea so like I said before, why fight the other shit with that being the mindset, if that's so....
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yea so like I said before, why fight the other shit with that being the mindset, if that's so....
You are still lumping all those who fight the other crap into one group. I was just trying to kindly answer your question, but you just want to argue. Believe what you want!
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You are still lumping all those who fight the other crap into one group. I was just trying to kindly answer your question, but you just want to argue. Believe what you want!
argue? Lump? HUH? I'm trying to make a point and that's how you define it? I'm not lumping or arguing anything. Did you find any sites to back up what you said? I'm guessing not. That's not argumentive or lumping, it's a question to find a truth. Fact is Evangelicals and many christians see revelations as relevent to our end times.
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easy, make it illegal now. Define what it can and more importantly can't be used for. This isn't unusual when new technology is presented to us, especially when it's controversial. Just like Stem Cells and all those embryo issues. There was a pretty significant Christian opposition to that and in turn you have politicians playing to it and it was very limited. What should be done now is to define where you can go with this and where you can't. First thing on the list of don'ts is that no matter what this cannot be forced on ANY person by any means including orchestrated nessecity. In other words it can't be "voluntary" and at the same time have the banks or other basic service/industry require it.
The Stem Cell/embryo thing is a much tangible and present argument than RFID imo.
But what you said about defining where you can go w/this and where you can't ...and to also make it where it was still voluntary would be great.
The thing is, if the end-time interpretation of the book of Revelation that we are talking about is accurate, many laws will be out the window by the time they make it a requirement anyway. The Anti-Christ will be running the show. You don't like a rule he makes, then you're likely going to be killed.
Also, in loco's defense we know a couple families that are Christians (as far as we know) that believe the book of Revelation is some symbolic thing and has nothing to do w/end-time stuff. One family is Catholic but I can't remember what the other one is.
Also many years ago I had a Mormon call me one day to see if I wanted a free bible and Book of Mormon and I asked him what his thoughts were on the Rapture and the 2nd coming. Not saying he is representative of most of them as I wouldn't know but he had not heard of either of them.
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argue? Lump? HUH? I'm trying to make a point and that's how you define it? I'm not lumping or arguing anything. Did you find any sites to back up what you said? I'm guessing not. That's not argumentive or lumping, it's a question to find a truth. Fact is Evangelicals and many christians see revelations as relevent to our end times.
Let's talk for a moment just about the one group of Christians that does believe in the Mark of The Beast and also fights same sex marriage.
The government, at least so far, will not go after them for fighting same sex marriage. But when The Beast arrives, the government will go after them for fighting The Mark. That's if they believe that they will be here to see it.
If they don't believe that they will be here to see it because they will be Raptured before it happens, why would they fight it if they won't be around to see it? Same sex marriage is something that they believe that they will have to live with now if they don't fight it now.
And why would they fight this chip now not knowing that it is for sure the Mark?
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The Stem Cell/embryo thing is a much tangible and present argument than RFID imo.
But what you said about defining where you can go w/this and where you can't ...and to also make it where it was still voluntary would be great.
The thing is, if the end-time interpretation of the book of Revelation that we are talking about is accurate, many laws will be out the window by the time they make it a requirement anyway. The Anti-Christ will be running the show. You don't like a rule he makes, then you're likely going to be killed.
Also, in loco's defense we know a couple families that are Christians (as far as we know) that believe the book of Revelation is some symbolic thing and has nothing to do w/end-time stuff. One family is Catholic but I can't remember what the other one is.
Also many years ago I had a Mormon call me one day to see if I wanted a free bible and Book of Mormon and I asked him what his thoughts were on the Rapture and the 2nd coming. Not saying he is representative of most of them as I wouldn't know but he had not heard of either of them.
In my defence, it is an undeniable reality that revelations pertains to end times for a great number of Christians. There is simply no refuting that. Finding a church or several chruchs that don't believe that still doesn't change the fact that it is widely accepted among many christians as having relevance to our end times.
And you say stem cells are much more tangible than RFID? I'm guessing you didn't look at the string of posts I made in this thread :D That's pretty tangible and now...
On the end times futility, I ask again, why bother with the other stuff then?
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And why would they fight this chip now not knowing that it is for sure the Mark?
are you fracking serious?
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are you fracking serious?
Yes
I see you've watched fracking Battlestar Galactica, a show with Mormon themes by the way. :)
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In my defence, it is an undeniable reality that revelations pertains to end times for a great number of Christians. There is simply no refuting that. Finding a church or several chruchs that don't believe that still doesn't change the fact that it is widely accepted among many christians as having relevance to our end times.
I agree with you.
And you say stem cells are much more tangible than RFID? I'm guessing you didn't look at the string of posts I made in this thread :D That's pretty tangible and now...
I see what you are saying but the stem cell/embryo thing is here and now...what they want to do or do is here and now.
The RFID thing..by the time it is used as a requirement is in the future...that's what I mean. Many people don't realize that it likely will be the only option in the future...may not be a very distant future unfortunately.
On the end times futility, I ask again, why bother with the other stuff then?
Personally, I don't really bother w/the other stuff. Some people do feel very strongly about it though. Maybe if I had kids I'd be more concerned about it.
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Yes
I see you've watched fracking Battlestar Galactica, a show with Mormon themes by the way. :)
what's with all the mormon references, are you getting on me being mormon?
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I agree with you.
I see what you are saying but the stem cell/embryo thing is here and now...what they want to do or do is here and now.
The RFID thing..by the time it is used as a requirement is in the future...that's what I mean. Many people don't realize that it likely will be the only option in the future...may not be a very distant future unfortunately.
Personally, I don't really bother w/the other stuff. Some people do feel very strongly about it though. Maybe if I had kids I'd be more concerned about it.
well do it for my kid then, she's really cute and she doesn't want to have to grow up to be implanted ;D
Naaa, I don't care that much, I'll just shoot the fuckers if they try to stick her with an implant ;D
But it is interesting anyway. I would say that obviously the RFID thing is as here and now as Stem Cells if not more so. Check out a few of those posts. The idea with shutting down stem cell research was to nip it in the ass before it got started into something unstopable that they didn't like. Well isn't that the same with RFID implants?
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well do it for my kid then, she's really cute and she doesn't want to have to grow up to be implanted ;D
Wait, is she here already?!?! :D
Also, I was saying I don't bother w/the gay stuff. I do care about the Mark stuff though.
But it is interesting anyway. I would say that obviously the RFID thing is as here and now as Stem Cells if not more so. Check out a few of those posts. The idea with shutting down stem cell research was to nip it in the ass before it got started into something unstopable that they didn't like. Well isn't that the same with RFID implants?
I did watch some of those vids and sent them out. Also that church seems kinda whacked for doing that.
The thing is, if the end-time interpretation of the book of Revelation that we are talking about is accurate, many laws will be out the window by the time they make it a requirement anyway. The Anti-Christ will be running the show. You don't like a rule he makes, then you're likely going to be killed.
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Wait, is she here already?!?! :D
Also, I was saying I don't bother w/the gay stuff. I do care about the Mark stuff though.
I did watch some of those vids and sent them out. Also that church seems kinda whacked for doing that.
yup, she was born on the 11th :)
I had to do a doubletake with that church impanting chips and then remember that nothing surprises me these days lol.
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yup, she was born on the 11th :)
Congratulations!! :D :D Hope everyone is getting some good sleep!
I had to do a doubletake with that church impanting chips and then remember that nothing surprises me these days lol.
Yeah, the Pastor seems like quite a character
it doesn’t take much for Rexella to get her prophetic panties in a bunch.
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Congratulations!! :D :D Hope everyone is getting some good sleep!
Yeah, the Pastor seems like quite a character
Thanks Stella :)
I actually watch Jack Van Impe and Rexella late Sunday night. They're a real hoot... lol...
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Thanks Stella :)
I actually watch Jack Van Impe and Rexella late Sunday night. They're a real hoot... lol...
"That's right Rexella!" ;D
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"That's right Rexella!" ;D
have you watched those two? lol... I have a few stories with them hahaha...
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what's with all the mormon references, are you getting on me being mormon?
Not at all. I don't think you are Mormon.
I bring up Mormons because from what I've read, Mormons were the biggest religious group pushing and funding Proposition 8. That helped get it on the ballot. From what I read, it was the many socially conservative minorities who showed up to vote because of Obama that actually voted for Proposition 8.
But yes, I don't know that this chip is the Mark of the Beast. People were wrong about Social Security numbers being it. They were wrong about credit card numbers being it. This is no different. For all I know, IF there will be a Mark of the Beast, it could very well be a Tattoo on the forehead or on the hand. It could be so many other things. Who knows for sure?
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Not at all. I don't think you are Mormon.
of course I am >:( I just suck at it...
Oh, you're still missing the point... mormons prop 8 bla bla bla, right over your head.
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where the hell did you dig up this fantasy? Any links to any Christian sites that can back this up? I believe they were talking about that time too, but of all the Christians I've known and I've known a lot living in Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, none of them believed Revelations was not a book for our end times.
Lutherans:
"The mark of the beast on the right hand or on the forehead is just a symbolic way of referring to unbelievers as Revelation 14:10-11 indicates by saying that all these people will suffer in hell forever."
http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1518&cuTopic_topicID=77&cuItem_itemID=24438
Presbyterians:
It happened during the persecution of the early church and is over(Postmillenial), it is just symbolic language and not to be taken literally (amillenial)
http://books.google.com/books?id=0BAEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA391&lpg=PA391&dq=presbyterians+on+the+mark+of+the+beast&source=bl&ots=QJBMOVPoZG&sig=7V3pHwg9pl9DPXXarNx-2P7v-eQ&hl=en&ei=KaJKStCfCZeytwePzc3yBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2
The Rev. Paul DeLain Allick St. George’s Episcopal Church, April 11, 2009
This guy thinks the Mark of the Beast symbolic of is putting work first, six days of the week, and God second, the seventh day.http://www.stgeorgesonline.org/stg/2009/04/11/easter-vigil-stuck-on-six/
Seventh-day Adventist’s teach that Sunday worshippers ARE THE Mark Of The Beast.
http://www.bible.ca/7-mark-beast.htm
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of course I am >:( I just suck at it...
Oh, you're still missing the point... mormons prop 8 bla bla bla, right over your head.
I thought you were an atheist. Learn something new every day. :)
I'm not missing anything. You are the one who brought up Proposition 8.
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Seriously loco, methodist? Presb.? Luth? These denominations are backwards and you kknow it. These denominations seem to take the bible and use it as they see fit, instead of using it as it was written. I'm assuming you grew up in one of these denoms. I personally grew up in several different churches over the years, and from my observations baptists seem to be the closest followers of what the bible actually says.
I thought you were an atheist. Learn something new every day. :)
I'm not missing anything. You are the one who brought up Proposition 8.
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Seriously loco, methodist? Presb.? Luth? These denominations are backwards and you kknow it. These denominations seem to take the bible and use it as they see fit, instead of using it as it was written. I'm assuming you grew up in one of these denoms. I personally grew up in several different churches over the years, and from my observations baptists seem to be the closest followers of what the bible actually says.
I grew up Southern Baptist, in Venezuela believe it or not. But I have attended churches from many other Christian denominations, and my closest Christian friends belong to many different denominations. But even many Northern Baptists, and at least one Southern Baptist pastor, that I have met believe that the Mark is just a symbol or that it already happened a long time ago.
My point is just that not all Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Mark, or that the Mark is a thing of the future.
I'm not saying that Christians won't openly fight this new chip implant the same way that they fight abortion, embryonic stem cell research and same sex marriage. I'm just saying that I don't see why they would.
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I grew up Southern Baptist, in Venezuela believe it or not. But I have attended churches from many other Christian denominations, and my closest Christian friends belong to many different denominations. But even many Northern Baptists, and at least one Southern Baptist pastor, that I have met believe that the Mark is just a symbol or that it already happened a long time ago.
My point is just that not all Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Mark, or that the Mark is a thing of the future.
I'm not saying that Christians won't openly fight this new chip implant the same way that they fight abortion, embryonic stem cell research and same sex marriage. I'm just saying that I don't see why they would.
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Very insightful and intelligent response!
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I grew up Southern Baptist, in Venezuela believe it or not. But I have attended churches from many other Christian denominations, and my closest Christian friends belong to many different denominations. But even many Northern Baptists, and at least one Southern Baptist pastor, that I have met believe that the Mark is just a symbol or that it already happened a long time ago.
My point is just that not all Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Mark, or that the Mark is a thing of the future.
I'm not saying that Christians won't openly fight this new chip implant the same way that they fight abortion, embryonic stem cell research and same sex marriage. I'm just saying that I don't see why they would.
You are a man of many Bibles, no doubt about it.
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You are a man of many Bibles, no doubt about it.
No. There is only one Bible.
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India to Give 1.2 Billion Citizens Biometric ID Cards
The Indian government will establish new biometric identification cards that will be released to every citizen of the nation that holds 1.2 billion people.
“It is surely the biggest Big Brother project yet conceived,” according to a report published by the Times Online. India will issue 1.2 billion biometric identification cards to every one of its citizens in the nation.
The card will include a computer chip with either an iris scan or a fingerprint and, according to the report, may tie criminal and credit histories. Only seven percent of Indians are registered to pay income tax, this new database will help the Indian government collect taxable income.
This new initiative will cost the Indian government seven billion pounds ($11.45 billion) and it will be operated by the Unique Identification Authority, which is a new government department in India.
Nandan Nilekani, head of the unit’s operation, called this new initiative, “humongous, mind-boggling challenge,” and further added, “But we have the opportunity to give every Indian citizen, for the first time, a unique identity. We can transform the country.”
According to Mr. Nilekani, it will take up to eighteen months to issue these new identification cards however; many analysts feel that this new operation could take up to four years to reach the “critical mass.”
In the Times Online report they describe the amount of cards, “If the cards were piled on top of each other they would be 150 times as high as Mount Everest — 1,200 kilometers.”
www.digitaljournal.com