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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
Thanks for clearing that up
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kyomu, spot on as always.
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
It depends on genetics some people could never reach 200lbs pounds in contest shape. Yes natural is not really fatter, but the drugs allow you to strip off more fat and water while holding size so you end up harder with more muscle - just my opinion 8)
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I am doing 8-12 reps for first time in my life properly and am exploding with growth - was 17stone dead earlier in boxers. Am leaner than I been in a while and much thicker
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I am doing 8-12 reps for first time in my life properly and am exploding with growth - was 17stone dead earlier in boxers. Am leaner than I been in a while and much thicker
Congrats.
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Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?
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It depends on genetics some people could never reach 200lbs pounds in contest shape. Yes natural is not really fatter, but the drugs allow you to strip off more fat and water while holding size so you end up harder with more muscle - just my opinion 8)
well, basicaly you have same opinion as mines.
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Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?
I think he will make same opinion though.
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Congrats.
I LOL'd
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No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.
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I LOL'd
good for you!!
;D ;D ;D
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No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.
Logical as usual 8)
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No one can really say or estimate in advance how much muscle they can put on if they train consistently, properly and sensibly for 20 + years naturally, let alone guess someone else's potential. Yes, naturals are never going to come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but a lot of people here drastically underestimate the upper limit of the human body when it comes to bodybuilding naturally.
And one of the reason why i built this thread is that many people dont believe a natural bber having more than 18 inchs arms.
Well, one of my best japanese friend used to have 50cm arms with abs. And he was a solid natural bber.
But he was also soft as a natural bber...
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I know a guy who competes in NABBA.
Juices 5 montsh of year and clean the rest. On stage he is just under 18stone. When he goes clean his heaviest weighthe gets is 22stone - granted he is fatter buthas remnants of top 2 abs and has good vascularity.
When he juices he gets much smaller. He told me NOONE knows what is or is not possible for your own body.
I have no delusions of grandeur but at my current b/f I dontthink me being 265lbs in my lifetime is out of teh realms of possibility. If i get there great - If i dont whatharm have i done to anyone else trying to aspiring for something.
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Simple - Genetics and Hard Training = Reaching your natural potential. Add drugs and take your genetic potential above and beyond.
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Is this post a sparring invitation for gh15?
Sevastase incoming with pics and insults in 5...4...3...2...1...
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This thread = dilusional.
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Simple - Genetics and Hard Training = Reaching your natural potential. Add drugs and take your genetic potential above and beyond.
Yes.
but i notice that the juice works for more quality than the mass.
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This thread = dilusional.
When did you start bbing?
And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.
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Sevastase incoming with pics and insults in 5...4...3...2...1...
I cant wait :D
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When did you start bbing?
And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.
These things don't matter. I actually agree with you. Naturals can be big if they are fat. We all know this.
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These things don't matter. I actually agree with you. Naturals can be big if they are fat. We all know this.
No. I mean 10% bodyfat around.
Its obvious that you are beginner less than 10yrs experience.
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Kyomu what's keeping you from using anything? It's not like you're lifetime natural... your cherry been popped long ago as you said and Paco is a good friend of yours... plus you live in spain right? Just do it.
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Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??
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Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??
No. Thats the juicers way.
I think the natural should consume more protein than juicers plus hard cardio.
With the effect of hard cardio, you can eat enough calory to be big.
I found this truth this time.
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Kymou looks good enough to suck off ...
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Kymou looks good enough to suck off ...
Thanx. Boss.
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Kyomu= smarter and more realistic than G15
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No. Thats the juicers way.
I think the natural should consume more protein than juicers plus hard cardio.
With the effect of hard cardio, you can eat enough calory to be big.
I found this truth this time.
i works for me.
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Kyomu= smarter and more realistic than G15
Some time i feel that he is not that stupid.
Just he is a drug dealer and he must act like that. Who knows?
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Each of us has access to the needed sources like good food, a decent gym and more. I think it's rather a lack of will power, ambition and knowledge for most people.
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Each of us has access to the needed sources like good food, a decent gym and more. I think it's rather a lack of will power, ambition and knowledge for most people.
Yes, if we want to talk about the natural limit, we must do every effort to be big and cut naturaly before it.
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I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.
Pat
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When did you start bbing?
And also, your post reveal that you are not big.
If you are a big bber, you can believe what i am saying.
This is true.
I enjoy watching the tiny tits flail away, unwilling to accept their inferiority.
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Would you not have to be very massive before your cutting phase to be natural and come in 10% body fat at 202 lbs??
Yeah, atleast 240-250 while not being too fat. Good luck with that. ::)
And we are talking about average height bodybuilder right? Around 175 cm, 5"9.
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Yeah, atleast 240-250 while not being too fat. Good luck with that. ::)
I'm 252 as of yesterday
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I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.
Pat
Do you have a mandatory pose pic that i can see your skin tone?
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I found for myself, that it all depends on my diet. As a natural bodybuilder I can take my physique to pretty good size and muscularity if I consume a lot of calories and train heavy. I had a job in Kosovo for two years, where I was Recreation Manager for the US Facilities throughout the country. I ran the gyms and rec centers. I lived on base and had access to several 24hr dining facilities and all the food I could eat (for free) everyday. Quality food, I might add. I took absolutely no drugs and managed to put on some good size and increase my strength pretty well. check out these pics from 2001 when I was in Kosovo. The great thing about being natural is you don't have to worry about the roller coaster of up and down size. I've been able to keep my mass for.......well, for as long as I can remember.
Pat
nice sunglasses, Pat!!
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This is true.
I enjoy watching the tiny tits flail away, unwilling to accept their inferiority.
Well of course I'm a tiny tit, I am true natural. ;D >:(
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Do you have a mandatory pose pic that i can see your skin tone?
No, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder so when I take pics they don't get much better than that. If I come across anything I'll post it. Remember, those pics were almost ten years ago. Oh, by the way, the guy with me in the last pic. is country singer Toby Keith. He did a tour for the troops over there.
I took this pic the other day while training in Sri Lanka. The camera was crap but at least it's recent. (last week-never mind the date on the pic)
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nice sunglasses, Pat!!
Come on, give me a break. They were prescription and that was 10 yrs ago. Oh wait a minute, I still have those. My bad. ;D
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No, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder so when I take pics they don't get much better than that. If I come across anything I'll post it. Remember, those pics were almost ten years ago. Oh, by the way, the guy with me in the last pic. is country singer Toby Keith. He did a tour for the troops over there.
I took this pic the other day while training in Sri Lanka. The camera was crap but at least it's recent. (last week-never mind the date on the pic)
You are a quite huge bodybuilder.
Honestly I cant trust you until seeing your skin tone.
Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.
But if you are truely natural,Conglats to your achivement. ;)
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Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.
Yep. ::)
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Yep. ::)
You are they guy who reject a "easy" bet.
Remeber.
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Depends upon genetics too. I've seen guys who can get extremely lean (contest ready) who are clean. Carry good size too although one never trained his legs so i guess he held the fat there. On gear or off i could never get as lean as these guys.
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You are a quite huge bodybuilder.
Honestly I cant trust you until seeing your skin tone.
Sorry for suspecting you since many liar in the bbing world.
But if you are truely natural,Conglats to your achivement. ;)
I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.
Pat
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I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.
Pat
Phew, for a second I thought you weren't natural. ::)
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I just finished taking a four week cycle of Decabolen, which I really didn't find to do much for me. Last year I did a Superdrol/Phere Plex Cycle and I could really see the gains with that one. I went from 218 to 230 and my strength shot up. Of course I went back down to the 218 range shortly after finishing the cycle. Besides that, I've been pretty much the same size, with measurable fluctuations throughout the years. Obviously depending how my training and dieting is going I will get more or less sharper but I've been about the same size for years. Right now I'm 5'9 and weigh 217 to 220.
Pat
How about the hardness? Did you see any change with that prohormone cycle?
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Oh, I forgot to add, although I don't compete, I love the sport. I don't have anything against someone who decides to take steroids. I work as a defense contractor for the US Govt for the past 15 yrs and as such I am subject to routine drug tests. As long as I can purchase the product legally over the counter I'm not worried. That's why I tried the Superdrol/Phere Plex and the Decabolen. If I get tested then it's on big deal. I'm not competing so it really isn't a matter of an unfair advantage.
Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Pat
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How about the hardness? Did you see any change with that prohormone cycle?
Now kyomu is interested too. Isn't it funny how these "naturals" like to take every damn thing they can get their hands onto legally...they are like the users but in a smaller scale.
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How about the hardness? Did you see any change with that prohormone cycle?
Not much with the second one but with the first one it was crazy. When I would go to the gym and train I would get some really intense pumps. So much so that it limited my workouts at times. I was on a high calorie diet which added some extra body fat but damn when I pumped up it was on. It even got to the point that routine repetitive movements at work would get me pumped. I would imagine if I would have had a more strict diet I could have maintained a harder look then I did. Like I said, it wasn't long after the cycle that the gains slowly drifted away. It's all good though, I felt much better under 220. When I put on that weight I felt awful. I felt like I was carrying someone on my back all day. Although it was only ten pounds, when you get up near your upper limits and then put on an additional ten, that has an extreme effect.
Pat
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Now kyomu is interested too. Isn't it funny how these "naturals" like to take every damn thing they can get their hands onto legally...they are like the users but in a smaller scale.
STFU
You are obviously young kids who dont have any idea.
I did a cycle in 1993already and i know how is juicing.
Beside, my life is not only bbing.
Just have more respect to the older guy please. ;)
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Not much with the second one but with the first one it was crazy. When I would go to the gym and train I would get some really intense pumps. So much so that it limited my workouts at times. I was on a high calorie diet which added some extra body fat but damn when I pumped up it was on. It even got to the point that routine repetitive movements at work would get me pumped. I would imagine if I would have had a more strict diet I could have maintained a harder look then I did. Like I said, it wasn't long after the cycle that the gains slowly drifted away. It's all good though, I felt much better under 220. When I put on that weight I felt awful. I felt like I was carrying someone on my back all day. Although it was only ten pounds, when you get up near your upper limits and then put on an additional ten, that has an extreme effect.
Pat
Mmmm...Sorry. Then I cant admit you as a natural in my opinion.
You must obtain that hard look without any hormone. The real natural bber will have extreme difficulty to get it.
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By the way, I went and had some blood work done last night. (friend of mine is a nurse and had her Dr. friend square me away) I did blood work ECG and urine. I haven't gotten the printout of the results but the doctor called me 30 mins later and talked to me about them. Said I was at the high end of normal on my creatine and my CK levels were slightly elevated. My blood pressure was a little high but everything else was good to go. Whenever I take a stack like that I get overcautious and want to make sure everything is cool. Since I have a hook up it's always good to get things checked out. I'll take a few days off from the gym while I travel back to Iraq and then it's back in the mix. Not planning on getting over 220 but I would like to reduce my bodyfat percentage a bit more and maintain my current size. For me it will be easy as long as I'm disciplined at the dinner table.
Pat
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By the way, I went and had some blood work done last night. (friend of mine is a nurse and had her Dr. friend square me away) I did blood work ECG and urine. I haven't gotten the printout of the results but the doctor called me 30 mins later and talked to me about them. Said I was at the high end of normal on my creatine and my CK levels were slightly elevated. My blood pressure was a little high but everything else was good to go. Whenever I take a stack like that I get overcautious and want to make sure everything is cool. Since I have a hook up it's always good to get things checked out. I'll take a few days off from the gym while I travel back to Iraq and then it's back in the mix. Not planning on getting over 220 but I would like to reduce my bodyfat percentage a bit more and maintain my current size. For me it will be easy as long as I'm disciplined at the dinner table.
Pat
Seem like your body react a lots.
Even prohormone is sufficient to look like that.
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Mmmm...Sorry. Then I cant admit you as a natural in my opinion.
You must obtain that hard look without any hormone. The real natural bber will have extreme difficulty to get it.
I don't really claim natural or not natural. If anyone asks me I'll tell them what I take directly. I don't have the least bit of problem keeping my mass but as you said the hardness is the real trick. You saw the picture I posted where I was standing in front of the bus with the Panda, well that is about as hard as I've gotten in years and that was during softball season and we were at a tournament in Bangkok. We'd been sweating our ass off for three days. I was in descent shape as far as hardness is concerned. Other then that I wouldn't say that I could jump on stage or anything but I'm doing ok.
PT
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Seem like your body react a lots.
Even prohormone is sufficient to look like that.
Well, I wouldn't say that. I've looked like this for at least the past 10yrs, if not more. I've only tried the Superdrol/Phere Plex last year for once cycle and the Decabolen for the past 4 weeks. Those pics I posted earlier are from almost 10yrs ago. As long as I go to the gym I can maintain my size. I've been training since I was 9yrs old. No shit. I started with a 25lbs weight set. I can remember getting up and hitting the weights every morning. Haven't stopped since. (I'll be 41 in Sept.)
Pat
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I don't really claim natural or not natural. If anyone asks me I'll tell them what I take directly. I don't have the least bit of problem keeping my mass but as you said the hardness is the real trick. You saw the picture I posted where I was standing in front of the bus with the Panda, well that is about as hard as I've gotten in years and that was during softball season and we were at a tournament in Bangkok. We'd been sweating our ass off for three days. I was in descent shape as far as hardness is concerned. Other then that I wouldn't say that I could jump on stage or anything but I'm doing ok.
PT
You know, we are talking about the natural limit. So any hormone cant be allowed.
About hardness, Those juicers look hard even their bodyfat % is bit high. Its not about BF %.
Anyway, its good to be honest. ;)
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Well, I wouldn't say that. I've looked like this for at least the past 10yrs, if not more. I've only tried the Superdrol/Phere Plex last year for once cycle and the Decabolen for the past 4 weeks. Those pics I posted earlier are from almost 10yrs ago. As long as I go to the gym I can maintain my size. I've been training since I was 9yrs old. No shit. I started with a 25lbs weight set. I can remember getting up and hitting the weights every morning. Haven't stopped since. (I'll be 41 in Sept.)
Pat
Then do you have some pics when you were on prohormone cycle?
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I think a good way of looking at it is this... you can be Big, or you can be ripped, without gear....but you really cant do both. Its really a matter of body compisition....I dont really get that much bigger on gear, (probably only 10-15 pounds), but I look a lot better.
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You know, we are talking about the natural limit. So any hormone cant be allowed.
About hardness, Those juicers look hard even their bodyfat % is bit high. Its not about BF %.
Anyway, its good to be honest. ;)
I appreciate Pat's honesty as well. PH's or not he's got very,very good genetics . I think it's funny that everyone universally slams ph's but they are the top selling supps. someone's buying them
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I think a good way of looking at it is this... you can be Big, or you can be ripped, without gear....but you really cant do both. Its really a matter of body compisition....I dont really get that much bigger on gear, (probably only 10-15 pounds), but I look a lot better.
Its hardness.
If the gear is so effective for size, i had to be the smallest in the competition(But I was not).
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I appreciate Pat's honesty as well. PH's or not he's got very,very good genetics . I think it's funny that everyone universally slams ph's but they are the top selling supps. someone's buying them
Agreed. I dont doubt that he could achive his size without prohormone.
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I think a good way of looking at it is this... you can be Big, or you can be ripped, without gear....but you really cant do both. Its really a matter of body compisition....I dont really get that much bigger on gear, (probably only 10-15 pounds), but I look a lot better.
If you are talking 15 pounds in great condition, that's a huge difference so I undertand what you mean...
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You know, we are talking about the natural limit. So any hormone cant be allowed.
About hardness, Those juicers look hard even their bodyfat % is bit high. Its not about BF %.
Anyway, its good to be honest. ;)
My plan once I get back up to Iraq where I can get my diet back on track is to reduce my bodyfat and switch to some high rep training. I'll increase my cardio and see how hard I can get without loosing all my mass. I don't want to take my weight down below 205. At 5'9 I just think 205 is to small. I'm not sure if or when I will do any more pro/hormones-designer steroids or whatever you want to call it but I can guarantee you one thing, with or without it I will always represent when It comes to getting right. ;D
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You know, we are talking about the natural limit. So any hormone cant be allowed.
About hardness, Those juicers look hard even their bodyfat % is bit high. Its not about BF %.
Anyway, its good to be honest. ;)
You understand every "natural" is like that right? They claim "it" :o but over time the truth always comes out one way or the other...
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Its hardness.
If the gear is so effective for size, i had to be the smallest in the competition(But I was not).
Wrong.
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Wrong.
Yeah. I am talking about regular cycle.
Not GH or slin. They are strong.
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I've never done a competition but I'm pretty sure of one thing, In order for me to get in condition to compete on stage I would end up loosing most of my size. Like I said, I'm 5'9 and dieting down from 218 would put me down to nothing. (without gear) I can see what you mean about the gear and the hardness. Well since I don't have any plans on getting up on stage, I don't have to worry about that.
Pat
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Naturals don't lose that much muscle when dieting correctly, you just overestimate how much muscle you really have.
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Naturals don't lose that much muscle when dieting correctly, you just overestimate how much muscle you really have.
Yeah, you may be right but the end result is still the same. You end up small, or at least much smaller then you would like to be. I've haven't really gotten in that kind of condition since college so I can't really speak from experience but it seems like every time I start working on my hardness and conditioning I end up (or at least I feel like) I'm getting to small. I've been content to just find the happy median. I can put a shirt on and still look a little swole, take it off and not an ab is sight. ;D Actually recently I've been actually working on getting my abs back. Their coming soon. Stay tuned. ;D
Pat
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Yeah, you may be right but the end result is still the same. You end up small, or at least much smaller then you would like to be. I've haven't really gotten in that kind of condition since college so I can't really speak from experience but it seems like every time I start working on my hardness and conditioning I end up (or at least I feel like) I'm getting to small. I've been content to just find the happy median. I can put a shirt on and still look a little swole, take it off and not an ab is sight. ;D Actually recently I've been actually working on getting my abs back. Their coming soon. Stay tuned. ;D
Pat
I have a 4 pack ;D
you can see the first two rows then it all falls apart.
I got lucky that i have cool looking intercostals so i look leaner than i am
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I think Tom Platz said it best... "A body is like a car...and steroids are like putting wax on it."
Steroids work differently for different people...I get a lot harder...and little bigger...but really it just makes me look better...then again my natural bodyweight is fairly big. (about 230-240 at 5"11 at about 12-13% bodyfat)...I only jump up about 10-15 pounds on gear.
M!
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I have a 4 pack ;D
you can see the first two rows then it all falls apart.
I got lucky that i have cool looking intercostals so i look leaner than i am
Couldn't tell you what my intercostals look like, haven't seen them in a while. lol. That's great to have a 4 pack and still maintain all that mass. Keep up the good work.
Pat
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Yeah, atleast 240-250 while not being too fat. Good luck with that. ::)
And we are talking about average height bodybuilder right? Around 175 cm, 5"9.
Haha, I know it isn't realistic for most. Ya average height. I am 5' 9".
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I think Tom Platz said it best... "A body is like a car...and steroids are like putting wax on it."
Steroids work differently for different people...I get a lot harder...and little bigger...but really it just makes me look better...then again my natural bodyweight is fairly big. (about 230-240 at 5"11 at about 12-13% bodyfat)...I only jump up about 10-15 pounds on gear.
M!
If Tom didn't use steroids he'd be driving a pinto instead of a lambo... that's more a more realistic comparison.
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Oh, I forgot to add, although I don't compete, I love the sport. I don't have anything against someone who decides to take steroids. I work as a defense contractor for the US Govt for the past 15 yrs and as such I am subject to routine drug tests. As long as I can purchase the product legally over the counter I'm not worried. That's why I tried the Superdrol/Phere Plex and the Decabolen. If I get tested then it's on big deal. I'm not competing so it really isn't a matter of an unfair advantage.
Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Pat
This is such bullshit. Didn't you read about that guy working at a nuclear plant that was fired after using an OTC hormone?
Iraq? Kosovo? The drugs are flowing in great amounts over there. Don't try to tell us guys in your line of business don't use steroids. There's been recent newspaper articles on the rampant steroid use of US guys working in Iraq for example.
I don't think you guys are tested for steroids unless someone really has a personal vendetta against you. The first pics you posted I bet you were on Galenika Enanthate. ;) You are clearly on drugs there.
Now you're paranoid that they will start testing but you can't give up the drugs so you try to stay with the OTC products to have plausible deniability.
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
You can't get hard without insulin (of all things!), right Kyomu? :D
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This is such bullshit. Didn't you read about that guy working at a nuclear plant that was fired after using an OTC hormone?
Iraq? Kosovo? The drugs are flowing in great amounts over there. Don't try to tell us guys in your line of business don't use steroids. There's been recent newspaper articles on the rampant steroid use of US guys working in Iraq for example.
I don't think you guys are tested for steroids unless someone really has a personal vendetta against you. The first pics you posted I bet you were on Galenika Enanthate. ;) You are clearly on drugs there.
Now you're paranoid that they will start testing but you can't give up the drugs so you try to stay with the OTC products to have plausible deniability.
LOL. Political doublespeak hits Getbig. Only a matter of time, I 'spose. ;D
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LOL. Political doublespeak hits Getbig. Only a matter of time, I 'spose. ;D
Was the term appropriate to use there? I'm not a native English speaker (writer). :D
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thank god you posted this, you FUCKING ASSHOLE, STOP POSTING!!!!
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Why don't we put this "misunderstanding" to a test? What better candidate than yourself since we have all seen so many (too many?) pics and videos already?
Kyomu, get started on 500 mg a week of Sustanon and let's see if your physique changes. We can just call it an experiment, and you still won't be considered a juicer.
Once you come off, we can take a look at how smooth you don't get-- or do get.
Maybe you could throw a little Clen in the mix and use the Palumbo "no carb" diet.
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
this coming from a juiced up "natty" . thanks ::)
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This is such bullshit. Didn't you read about that guy working at a nuclear plant that was fired after using an OTC hormone?
Iraq? Kosovo? The drugs are flowing in great amounts over there. Don't try to tell us guys in your line of business don't use steroids. There's been recent newspaper articles on the rampant steroid use of US guys working in Iraq for example.
I don't think you guys are tested for steroids unless someone really has a personal vendetta against you. The first pics you posted I bet you were on Galenika Enanthate. ;) You are clearly on drugs there.
Now you're paranoid that they will start testing but you can't give up the drugs so you try to stay with the OTC products to have plausible deniability.
You are ranting and raving about bullshit and you dont have a clue of what you are talking about. Many of the jobs I have had since beeing over here require security clearances and yes you can be tested at any time for any reason. Of course there are guys using steroids that work over here. There are thousands of companies that employ workers in this region and not all of them require clearances or even work directly for the government on many occasions. Yes there have been people fired for using and possessing steroids over here and they will continue to do so. No, the jobs that I've had will not fire you for taking something that is legal to buy over the counter. They wouldn't have any authority to unless they had some company rules regarding those types of products, which none of the companies I have worked for has had. So before you go spouting off at the hole check to make sure you know what you are talking about. Thanks.
Pat
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You are ranting and raving about bullshit and you dont have a clue of what you are talking about. Many of the jobs I have had since beeing over here require security clearances and yes you can be tested at any time for any reason. Of course there are guys using steroids that work over here. There are thousands of companies that employ workers in this region and not all of them require clearances or even work directly for the government on many occasions. Yes there have been people fired for using and possessing steroids over here and they will continue to do so. No, the jobs that I've had will not fire you for taking something that is legal to buy over the counter. They wouldn't have any authority to unless they had some company rules regarding those types of products, which none of the companies I have worked for has had. So before you go spouting off at the hole check to make sure you know what you are talking about. Thanks.
Pat
Those products aren't really legal to sell. That's the problem, brolio. And not only that, many of them are tainted with scheduled anabolics. See the 6-OXO case for example. You test positive for Dianabol or Trenbolone or Methyltestosterone, will you be cleared if you show your bottle of "DECAVOL" or whatever? You take Gaspari's Novedex XT and you'll test positive for boldenone, a highly illegal steroid.
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This is such bullshit. Didn't you read about that guy working at a nuclear plant that was fired after using an OTC hormone?
Iraq? Kosovo? The drugs are flowing in great amounts over there. Don't try to tell us guys in your line of business don't use steroids. There's been recent newspaper articles on the rampant steroid use of US guys working in Iraq for example.
I don't think you guys are tested for steroids unless someone really has a personal vendetta against you. The first pics you posted I bet you were on Galenika Enanthate. ;) You are clearly on drugs there.
Now you're paranoid that they will start testing but you can't give up the drugs so you try to stay with the OTC products to have plausible deniability.
Oh, I forgot to say thanks for that "clearly on drugs comment." I've heard it before and hopefully I'll hear it again. That means I must be doing something right. I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks about it. I've been lifting for 30 yrs and your opinion won't have the slightest effect on what I can or can't acheive in the gym. But anyway, thanks. ;D
Pat
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Those products aren't really legal to sell. That's the problem, brolio. And not only that, many of them are tainted with scheduled anabolics. See the 6-OXO case for example. You test positive for Dianabol or Trenbolone or Methyltestosterone, will you be cleared if you show your bottle of "DECAVOL" or whatever? You take Gaspari's Novedex XT and you'll test positive for boldenone, a highly illegal steroid.
Aren't legal to sell? ???
I won't dispute what you are saying but in my case, if I have the product on hand or can proove what I was taking then I won't have an issue. Like you said, sometimes taking these products will cause positive test results. Unless I happen to take a job over here where my employer states that their staff is not allowed to take these type of products then I won't even waist time worrying about it. I've been in the game a long time "brolio", and what I got took years of training and hard work. Hearing from guys like you lets me know that whatever I'm doing is working. Keep up the good work.
Pat
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Aren't legal to sell? ???
I won't dispute what you are saying but in my case, if I have the product on hand or can proove what I was taking then I won't have an issue. Like you said, sometimes taking these products will cause positive test results. Unless I happen to take a job over here where my employer states that their staff is not allowed to take these type of products then I won't even waist time worrying about it. I've been in the game a long time "brolio", and what I got took years of training and hard work. Hearing from guys like you lets me know that whatever I'm doing is working. Keep up the good work.
Pat
Alright, whatever you say. But that sounds like an awfully easy way to get out of a positive test, if they don't even investigate further. Might as well do any "real" cycle then and just say you were using this or that supplement which caused a positive. What's to stop you?
Sounds like they don't take positive tests seriously at your companies, unlike these guys, who fired the guy despite him using a "legal" supplement. They don't prohibit supplement use but if you test positive you're fucked.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/07/26/decavol-leads-to-firing-of-guard-at-nuclear-weapons-facility/
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jul/26/fired-guard-disputes-test/
"We were just told, don't take steroids," he said. "I thought, 'I'm fine, I'm not doing steroids.' … When they told me I tested positive, I was in shock."
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Naturals don't lose that much muscle when dieting correctly, you just overestimate how much muscle you really have.
agreed! when i dieted many, many, years ago i made the mistake of following a 12 week diet plan underestimating how much drugs play a role in a pro's diet. needless to say it took me a 1.5 years to get things back again.
with that said at your size you do not need to diet, at all! this will greatly effect your ability to gain.
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If some of you guys think Kyomu's physique can't be achieved naturally, you are a sad bunch of people.
average genetics, hard work, diet, and it's definitely attainable. I also believe Kyomu has been training for years.
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Why does Chris Faildo suddenly come to mind?
Oh yeah, he's all natural too.
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Why does Chris Faildo suddenly come to mind?
Oh yeah, he's all natural too.
That's a different story, now Kyomu, that can definitely be achieved naturally.
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Kyomu, that can definitely be achieved naturally.
I have absolutely no arguement with that. If he were juicing, I would have to say he's "doing it wrong."
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kyomu is as natural as a cock in a man's anus
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You can't get hard without insulin (of all things!), right Kyomu? :D
At least, I havent seen any pure naturals who have hard physics.
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Why don't we put this "misunderstanding" to a test? What better candidate than yourself since we have all seen so many (too many?) pics and videos already?
Kyomu, get started on 500 mg a week of Sustanon and let's see if your physique changes. We can just call it an experiment, and you still won't be considered a juicer.
Once you come off, we can take a look at how smooth you don't get-- or do get.
Maybe you could throw a little Clen in the mix and use the Palumbo "no carb" diet.
Its good idea to do a experiment.
But, Already I did it in the past.
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If some of you guys think Kyomu's physique can't be achieved naturally, you are a sad bunch of people.
average genetics, hard work, diet, and it's definitely attainable. I also believe Kyomu has been training for years.
That is the factor which separates hardgainer and gainer.
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This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.
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This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat
conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar
I go with no 2
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Was the term appropriate to use there? I'm not a native English speaker (writer). :D
Yes, indeedy. Posted like an excerpt from a Congressional hearing on the Iraq War.
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This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.
His bodyfat is not even under 10% hope this helps, hes soft
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His bodyfat is not even under 10% hope this helps, hes soft
Oh my........... :-\
You are too young to know that.
Bit more respect for a old geek like me.
Same guy with his double bi back.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat
conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar
I go with no 2
well said... Sev!
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well said... Sev!
Yet, this midget guy owns those skinny fat physic of you guys.
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OH BOY ,,kymou ur friend looks good and pretty hard at that wt and above shot,legs are soft fr to back due to reason 1 ,genetic like u have in legs area getting dry and it could be part of asian genetic "naturally"i am excluding all asian bbers on drugs who could and do rectify the problem.
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OH BOY ,,kymou ur friend looks good and pretty hard at that wt and above shot,legs are soft fr to back due to reason 1 ,genetic like u have in legs area getting dry and it could be part of asian genetic "naturally"i am excluding all asian bbers on drugs who could and do rectify the problem.
His legs are his problem area. Small and soft.
Mines are big and also have hard time to be harden up.
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he looks small
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
this dude would be a fucking 123 lbs skinny midget off hormones at that bodyfat
conclusion : you are either incredibly dumb and retarded or you are a liar
I go with no 2
Nobody can gain more then 15 lbs without the juice, lol. I'd say he's on something because of the muscle seperation and cut, but he's not exactly carrying tons of size.
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he looks small
Not small.
But smaller than me. Yes.
Here I am talking about the hardness of the natural bbers.
He looks soft in spite of his BF%.
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Not small.
But smaller than me. Yes.
Here I am talking about the hardness of the natural bbers.
He looks soft in spite of his BF%.
ok ,,soft issue,posed your friend looks pretty hard as i said,its relaxed and standing next to a user is where u would see the difference.and even standing alone and he does his poses and then relaxed u will see and i think thats the point ur trying for,
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ok ,,soft issue,posed your friend looks pretty hard as i said,its relaxed and standing next to a user is where u would see the difference.and even standing alone and he does his poses and then relaxed u will see and i think thats the point ur trying for,
Exactly.
Of course he is harder than 90% of Getbigers. ;D
But, if he comes here(spain) and stand next to the heavy juicers of his category(-70kg),maybe he looks same size or bit more bigger but he will look way softer.
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2577/79/102/1378849140/n1378849140_30124933_2235585.jpg)
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Just he is a drug dealer and he must act like that.
Exactly. I've said many times that GH15 is a steroid dealer getting out a good laugh at getbiggers pretending to be an I.F.B.B pro.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Exactly.
Of course he is harder than 90% of Getbigers. ;D
But, if he comes here(spain) and stand next to the heavy juicers of his category(-70kg),maybe he looks same size or bit more bigger but he will look way softer.
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2577/79/102/1378849140/n1378849140_30124933_2235585.jpg)
"Be still like a mountain and flow like a great river." Lao Tse.
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they look like grashoppers
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they look like grashoppers
LOL :D
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I think Tom Platz said it best... "A body is like a car...and steroids are like putting wax on it."
Steroids work differently for different people...I get a lot harder...and little bigger...but really it just makes me look better...then again my natural bodyweight is fairly big. (about 230-240 at 5"11 at about 12-13% bodyfat)...I only jump up about 10-15 pounds on gear.
M!
ha ha... tom plats is full of shit... told my pals at a seminar years ago that he took 4 12 week cycles a year every year.... thats a lot of wax, lying c.unt!
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they look like grashoppers
agreed. ;D
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kyomu is as natural as a cock in a man's anus
LOL ;D
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Kyomu, I disagree 100% with you - I believe its Size thats mostly effected and determined by a person's Natural Limit, and not hardness.
Thats why in natural organizations there is a higher emphasis on hardness and being conditioned as opposed to size.
In comparison to NPC shows where there is more of an emphasis on size as opposed to conditioning.
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A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.
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A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.
Iggy Pop is on roids, no way you can achieve his mass and conditioning naturally.
3g roids,,,,, easily,,, he would be,,, 30lbs witout roids,,,
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ha ha... tom plats is full of shit... told my pals at a seminar years ago that he took 4 12 week cycles a year every year.... thats a lot of wax, lying c.unt!
Tom Platz is a complete tool, he was never off gear while he competed, when he retired well see how he shrunk,except his jaw, into a skinny sack of skin and bones shit, this moron said all he took for the 1980 Olympia was 400mg Deca per week and 30mg Winstrol a day, or some bullshit, almost as stupid as that other moron Robby Robinson and his 1 shot of primobolan to win Mr World bullshit ::)
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A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.
LOL. 'Natural' is not a word that springs to mind to describe Iggy. Be like calling Keef 'healthy.'
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Tom Platz is a complete tool, he was never off gear while he competed, when he retired well see how he shrunk,except his jaw, into a skinny sack of skin and bones shit, this moron said all he took for the 1980 Olympia was 400mg Deca per week and 30mg Winstrol a day, or some bullshit, almost as stupid as that other moron Robby Robinson and his 1 shot of primobolan to win Mr World bullshit ::)
WELL OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T BE COMPLETLY FORTHRIGHT.
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Kyomu, I disagree 100% with you - I believe its Size thats mostly effected and determined by a person's Natural Limit, and not hardness.
Thats why in natural organizations there is a higher emphasis on hardness and being conditioned as opposed to size.
In comparison to NPC shows where there is more of an emphasis on size as opposed to conditioning.
but, most of natural competitors go with GH which create hardness and pass the doping test.
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A natural can get ripped. Look at Iggy Pop.
Yes. You can get ripped. But not look hard as a rock like Dorian.
Plus, you can be ripped with small size.
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Yes. You can get ripped. But not look hard as a rock like Dorian.
Plus, you can be ripped with small size.
LIKE U SAID RIPPED IS ONE THING,ROCK HARD AND GRANITE HARDNESS IS DRUG INDUCED ,RELAXED FOR EXAMPLE DORIAN LOOKED FLEXED AND HARD STANDING STILL.
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His bodyfat is not even under 10% hope this helps, hes soft
I agree.. he's probably around 10% he just holds it all in his legs. I don't see any cuts or striations in his legs. Calves are a weak point but your buddy looks good.
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LIKE U SAID RIPPED IS ONE THING,ROCK HARD AND GRANITE HARDNESS IS DRUG INDUCED ,RELAXED FOR EXAMPLE DORIAN LOOKED FLEXED AND HARD STANDING STILL.
Thats what i am saying. They are so full and hard.
On the other hand, Natural bber are cut but looks flat and soft.
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I agree.. he's probably around 10% he just holds it all in his legs. I don't see any cuts or striations in his legs. Calves are a weak point but your buddy looks good.
I see, but how about his upper body? He looks quite lean and SOFT no?
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dorian is not natural
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I see, but how about his upper body? He looks quite lean and SOFT no?
Yeah but thats because he could still lose a few pounds of fat atleast 10lbs maybe more cause of the legs. That would be sacrificing "size" for hardness so in that regard I agree with Big Ach. I think the best theory here is, it is harder to combine both size & hardness while being natural. -- Your friend is not as lean as you may think he is and that is leading you to believe naturals are not able to achieve such hardness, that's what I think.
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Yeah but thats because he could still lose a few pounds of fat atleast 10lbs maybe more cause of the legs. That would be sacrificing "size" for hardness so in that regard I agree with Big Ach. I think the best theory here is, it is harder to combine both size & hardness while being natural. -- Your friend is not as lean as you may think he is and that is leading you to believe naturals are not able to achieve such hardness, that's what I think.
Thats good opinion. ;)
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dorian is not natural
You have a misunderstanding about the natural limit.
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but, most of natural competitors go with GH which create hardness and pass the doping test.
I was talking about naturals who don't use juice or GH. A lot of natural shows will do unit tests and Lie Detector tests, and I know that neither is 100% accurate, and people do go into tested shows using, but that doesn't mean that ALL of them are.
I disagree with your argument.
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I've never used juice or GH in my life, am I soft in this picture?
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/achavatar04.jpg)
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I've never used juice or GH in my life, am I soft in this picture?
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/achavatar04.jpg)
Ripped man nice job - reminds me of a praying mantis
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Here it is bigger, am I soft?
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Another...
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Not even full flexing..... Still soft? Last one....
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You look fantastic.
However, Natties cant getthe hard dryand grainy look juicers can
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Ripped man nice job - reminds me of a praying mantis
Mr Nobody thank you for your compliment - I do look like some sort of insect , dont I! LOL
[/quote]You look fantastic.
However, Natties cant getthe hard dryand grainy look juicers can
Ursus - thank you as well for the props. you are abolutely right I don't have that grainy look - I never have been able to achieve it, no matter what I do.
This picture below is of me at probably the best conditioning of my life and the LIGHTEST I have ever competed, I weighed 157 in that picture, (my norm competition weight is 175 - 180) and I am still not grainy like you are saying.
But that doesn't mean it can't be done, I have seen some legit naturals with a SICK grainy look that put some juicing IFBB pros to shame when it comes to conditioning. Maybe in the future I will be able to achieve it.
I have totally hijacked this thread with my pictures!
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Here it is bigger, am I soft?
No offence.
You are not a lier. You are natural.
Because you have SOFT shredded body.
You still misunderstand what i am saying.
You can look HARD with juicing without your bodyfat low.
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No offence.
You are not a lier. You are natural.
Because you have SOFT shredded body.
You still misunderstand what i am saying.
You can look HARD with juicing without your bodyfat low.
lol, first time a guy that admits juice is called a natural. LMAO!!!
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Mr Nobody thank you for your compliment - I do look like some sort of insect , dont I! LOL
Ursus - thank you as well for the props. you are abolutely right I don't have that grainy look - I never have been able to achieve it, no matter what I do.
This picture below is of me at probably the best conditioning of my life and the LIGHTEST I have ever competed, I weighed 157 in that picture, (my norm competition weight is 175 - 180) and I am still not grainy like you are saying.
But that doesn't mean it can't be done, I have seen some legit naturals with a SICK grainy look that put some juicing IFBB pros to shame when it comes to conditioning. Maybe in the future I will be able to achieve it.
I have totally hijacked this thread with my pictures!
Clearly on GH, just look at the gums....
Had to man, sorry... ;D
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No offence.
You are not a lier. You are natural.
Because you have SOFT shredded body.
You still misunderstand what i am saying.
You can look HARD with juicing without your bodyfat low.
You are saying that if you juice you can look hard with a HIGH bodyfat?
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You are saying that if you juice you can look hard with a HIGH bodyfat?
just to use yates say as an example ,at 285/300 he looked pretty hard already.probably 8/10 pct at that wght,maybe lower if anybody has any insight on it.
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Here it is bigger, am I soft?
Excellent conditioning..great job. Were your carbs extremely low..or are you one of those guys who doesn't go real low?
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You are saying that if you juice you can look hard with a HIGH bodyfat?
Exactly, even high in BF(Ok, there is a limit of course.), they look hard as rock.
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Exactly, even high in BF(Ok, there is a limit of course.), they look hard as rock.
Ok - that I will actually agree with you on. You see that in pros all the time, off-season bloated and all but still seeing a full six pack!
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Ok - that I will actually agree with you on. You see that in pros all the time, off-season bloated and all but still seeing a full six pack!
If you meet those juicers in gym and take a look at their forearms and arms. Its veiny and tight as if their bodyfat is low.
Then ask them if they show their abs, some of them even dont have 1 pack. ;D
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
Impossible, GH15 said so. ;D ::)
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Impossible, GH15 said so. ;D ::)
So exactly, how do you think?
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I dunno about that kyomu
Im 218 nat low bf
it depends on the individual
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I dunno about that kyomu
Im 218 nat low bf
it depends on the individual
Again, Looking hard and looking cut is two different thing.
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Again, Looking hard and looking cut is two different thing.
Big Ach shows you can get hard and cut however for him to gain more size and maintain the same conditioning being natural is the hard thing to do.
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i look hard and i am cut
nothing like a pro....of course
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Big Ach shows you can get hard and cut however for him to gain more size and maintain the same conditioning being natural is the hard thing to do.
However I dont see him harder than juicers.
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i look hard and i am cut
nothing like a pro....of course
Then you are not hard.
And even amateur juicers look harder than the most of pros.
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However I dont see him harder than juicers.
Do you think you are even close to your "natural limit"?
If not, spend your time getting there and not getting everyone to agree with you that you can't expect very much because you are natural.
You all sound like whiny little bitches. Just train and get as big and hard as YOU can.
and, STFU!
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Do you think you are even close to your "natural limit"?
If not, spend your time getting there and not getting everyone to agree with you that you can't expect very much because you are natural.
You all sound like whiny little bitches. Just train and get as big and hard as YOU can.
and, STFU!
I am doing it already. So whats the point?
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It's like starting a thread: You can only bench press so much weigh without drugs.
Yeah? So what, Captain Obvious?
Unless you are the measure of a natural that everyone should be compared to, what the point? You have no idea what a person can do.
Everyone just needs to get as big and as hard as they can without you telling them what the limit is because you and the other weak minded losers on this board have no idea either.
What YOUR point? To get little 16 years old on this board to agree with your limits?
You are a weak man. Do a better job of hiding it.
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I want to correct the concept about the natural limit of you guys.
This is the truth.
Size...........You can reach almost 202lbs pro level mass without even supps if you have a average genetics.
Quality........You cant even reach the hardness of local competitors. It doesnt mean that natural bbers are fatter. Just natural bber look way softer than juicers.
15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)
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15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)
LMAO :D
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It's like starting a thread: You can only bench press so much weigh without drugs.
Yeah? So what, Captain Obvious?
Unless you are the measure of a natural that everyone should be compared to, what the point? You have no idea what a person can do.
Everyone just needs to get as big and as hard as they can without you telling them what the limit is because you and the other weak minded losers on this board have no idea either.
What YOUR point? To get little 16 years old on this board to agree with your limits?
You are a weak man. Do a better job of hiding it.
If I dont agree with you, I would quit competing next year against juicers.
Just i say general opinion and I said it FOR NOW.
Hopefuly I can be a person who deny what i am saying next year.... who knows?
So you call me a weak mind..Possibly... Then show me your pic and prove yourself in front of me how strong minded you are. ;)
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15000mg/week natural like yourself K-Y (jelly) OMU (on-my-uterus)
:o :o :o :o
Famous Milos is challenging me?
Do you doubt if i am natural? :o
If it is, Can I make it a offcial bet here?
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:o :o :o :o
Famous Milos is challenging me?
Do you doubt if i am natural? :o
If it is, Can I make it a offcial bet here?
kyomu looks like you gained some mass there nice job
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kyomu looks like you gained some mass there nice job
Since last contest 77kg to 85kg now.
I wont gain my weight anymore.
Just maintain and want to improve my hardness.
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Since last contest 77kg to 85kg now.
I wont gain my weight anymore.
Just maintain and want to improve my hardness.
How much will you bet Milos that you are natural?
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How much will you bet Milos that you are natural?
30000euros.
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Then you are not hard.
And even amateur juicers look harder than the most of pros.
Most of the us pro look soft compare to some ama
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Not even full flexing..... Still soft? Last one....
Good condition, but still soft yes
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Most of the us pro look soft compare to some ama
In my region. Not.
Barcelona
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs028.snc1/3161_1125663067292_1398602197_30354154_6542131_n.jpg)
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This guy(I know him very well) is 100% pure natural.
His bodyfat is really low. But he looks kind of soft.
Why people have to say "100% natural". "90% natural" doesn't exist. You are or aren't
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If I dont agree with you, I would quit competing next year against juicers.
Just i say general opinion and I said it FOR NOW.
Hopefuly I can be a person who deny what i am saying next year.... who knows?
So you call me a weak mind..Possibly... Then show me your pic and prove yourself in front of me how strong minded you are. ;)
If I was better than you, would that have anything to do with your weak mind and your whining on the board?
If I was not better than you, would that have anything to do with your weak mind and your whining on the board?
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If I was better than you, would that have anything to do with your weak mind and your whining on the board?
If I was not better than you, would that have anything to do with your weak mind and your whining on the board?
You dont need to have better physic than me.
But, I can judge if you are a hard trainee and strict about diet with watching your physic.
Dont underestimate my long bbing experience. I have seen a lot of bbers in my life.
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In my region. Not.
Barcelona
I would have had to say "top ama" vs top pro
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Why people have to say "100% natural". "90% natural" doesn't exist. You are or aren't
Highly agreed.
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I would have had to say "top ama" vs top pro
Ok. I give you top amas.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/ffefb38f.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/eb02d88d.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/Bahrain_pesaje-100.jpg)
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Ok. I give you top amas.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/ffefb38f.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/eb02d88d.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Bahrain/Bahrain_pesaje-100.jpg)
awesome physiques.
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You dont need to have better physic than me.
But, I can judge if you are a hard trainee and strict about diet with watching your physic.
Dont underestimate my long bbing experience. I have seen a lot of bbers in my life.
Your long experience means nothing.
Some people (with long experience) truly believe it is hard to make money.
Some people (with long experience) truly believe it is easy to make money.
Who is right?
Your opinion as to what you think a natural bodybuilder can do means nothing to the rest of us.
So quit whining and just back to work.
Also, I know English probably isn't your first language but this is a bodybuilding board and you shouldn't keep misspelling the word.
It's physique
not
physic
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Why people have to say "100% natural". "90% natural" doesn't exist. You are or aren't
it's like the guy saying his teenage daughter is a little bit pregnant.
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it's like the guy saying his teenage daughter is a little bit pregnant.
What the biggest your arms ever got?
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What the biggest your arms ever got?
i don't think i should answer that in this topic since it is about 'natural limits' lol.
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i don't think i should answer that in this topic since it is about 'natural limits' lol.
Haha, it's not so much the gear thing. A lot of guys around here throw around numbers that for some reason their pictures don't quite back up. I assume from the pictures of you I've seen they were around 20ish???
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Yeah, Hazbin looks phenomenal in some of his photos. Not only are his upper arms fantastic..but his forearms are among the best ever. Incredibly vascular..and even more importantly, he's a great guy. Went out of his way to send me a vintage mag and didn't even know me.
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Yeah, Hazbin looks phenomenal in some of his photos. Not only are his upper arms fantastic..but his forearms are among the best ever. Incredibly vascular..and even more importantly, he's a great guy. Went out of his way to send me a vintage mag and didn't even know me.
'Natch. He's Canadian. :)
/sorry, bro. i know we don't toot our own horns, so i did it for ya.
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So worried.
Juicy juice on the mind 24/7
Must be a bitch.
It's like you wanna whack off but can't.
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Haha, it's not so much the gear thing. A lot of guys around here throw around numbers that for some reason their pictures don't quite back up. I assume from the pictures of you I've seen they were around 20ish???
thanx bro,
yeah, they got over 20". pumped and off season. mind you, when i tried getting fat they never really grew anyway. doesn't really matter though, they are too long and have shitty shape, so they wouldn't look big even at 22".
disclaimer: this is a natural topic and i am not natural in these pics ;D
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Yeah, Hazbin looks phenomenal in some of his photos. Not only are his upper arms fantastic..but his forearms are among the best ever. Incredibly vascular..and even more importantly, he's a great guy. Went out of his way to send me a vintage mag and didn't even know me.
hey Chem,
i was glad to send you that mag. i could only imagine what it would be like to have an article of myself in a muscle mag.
btw, you mean these forearms?
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terrible forearms.
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Your long experience means nothing.
Some people (with long experience) truly believe it is hard to make money.
Some people (with long experience) truly believe it is easy to make money.
Who is right?
Your opinion as to what you think a natural bodybuilder can do means nothing to the rest of us.
So quit whining and just back to work.
Also, I know English probably isn't your first language but this is a bodybuilding board and you shouldn't keep misspelling the word.
It's physique
not
physic
Look like you havent even competed and talking about positivity? Gimme a break.... :-\
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thanx bro,
yeah, they got over 20". pumped and off season. mind you, when i tried getting fat they never really grew anyway. doesn't really matter though, they are too long and have shitty shape, so they wouldn't look big even at 22".
disclaimer: this is a natural topic and i am not natural in these pics ;D
It doesnt matter. Juicers are welcome too.
Just we are talking about the physical difference between naturals and juicers.
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hey Chem,
i was glad to send you that mag. i could only imagine what it would be like to have an article of myself in a muscle mag.
btw, you mean these forearms?
Damn, that's a hell of a forearm. Way to go bro.
Pat
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disclaimer: this is a natural topic and i am not natural in these pics ;D
Say it isn't so! Looks like just Creatine and a high protein diet.
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Do you do direct work for forearms or does it go along for the ride?
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lol if my arms were that vascular i would be worried about scratching them incase a vein bust open lol.
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Look like you havent even competed and talking about positivity? Gimme a break.... :-\
I have competed in over 20 competitions.
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thanx bro,
yeah, they got over 20". pumped and off season. mind you, when i tried getting fat they never really grew anyway. doesn't really matter though, they are too long and have shitty shape, so they wouldn't look big even at 22".
disclaimer: this is a natural topic and i am not natural in these pics ;D
You really are to humble, there are worse looking guys out their that are pro. You probably wouldn't have won the Olympia but I see no reason whatsoever why you couldn't have become a pro.
What were you doing diet and training wise at that point? What were you on?
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I have competed in over 20 competitions.
Then why dont you post a pic of your physique?
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You really are to humble, there are worse looking guys out their that are pro. You probably wouldn't have won the Olympia but I see no reason whatsoever why you couldn't have become a pro.
What were you doing diet and training wise at that point? What were you on?
You havent even attended a show have you?
Hazbin is a great BBer. But far from a pro.
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http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/ (http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/)
Tell me again he can't look better than almost all of them. And that's just one list.
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http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/ (http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/)
Tell me again he can't look better than almost all of them. And that's just one list.
dude don't be so humble yourself,kymou, blair moen is big dude and competed npc ,good build now wrestler or trying to be .
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Then why dont you post a pic of your physique?
My picture doesn't change anything about what I'm saying about you. I already know what will be said. "Awesome physique, bro!" and/or "You are on steroids/hormones and you are a liar." Either way, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks to me.
My point is you are trying to get people to buy into your struggles.
It's like getting all of the other employees at the "burger joint" that you work at that you can't make a lot of money here. The majority of them are going to agree with you. Big deal! They are "burger joint" employees!
The fact is that some hard working employee can make it to manager. Some better ones can make it to supervisor of a couple of them. Some who are even better can become regional supervisors. And some of the very best could work really hard and become part owner of one of the burger joints.
Can they become multi-millionaires? No. Of course not. Why start a thread about that?
You are a struggling "burger joint" employee with a weak burger joint employee mind who constantly needs the approval of other whiners like Sev and drug dealers like gh15.
You have a weak mind. The only problem is that you don't know it. But you are doing a good job of getting all of the burger joint employees to agree that they can't make any money working there. Good for you!
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My picture doesn't change anything about what I'm saying about you. I already know what will be said. "Awesome physique, bro!" and/or "You are on steroids/hormones and you are a liar." Either way, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks to me.
My point is you are trying to get people to buy into your struggles.
It's like getting all of the other employees at the "burger joint" that you work at that you can't make a lot of money here. The majority of them are going to agree with you. Big deal! They are "burger joint" employees!
The fact is that some hard working employee can make it to manager. Some better ones can make it to supervisor of a couple of them. Some who are even better can become regional supervisors. And some of the very best could work really hard and become part owner of one of the burger joints.
Can they become multi-millionaires? No. Of course not. Why start a thread about that?
You are a struggling "burger joint" employee with a weak burger joint employee mind who constantly needs the approval of other whiners like Sev and drug dealers like gh15.
You have a weak mind. The only problem is that you don't know it. But you are doing a good job of getting all of the burger joint employees to agree that they can't make any money working there. Good for you!
Hey, I strongly recomend you to go to a hospital.
Your prejudice is so strong and i am really surprised.
Its just a fvckin internet. Its not my business nor the important part of life. I am doing just for the entertainment.
And I dont prove anything in the cyber world. Not only bbing, i did numerous things in my life.
Just many getbigers always think that its impossible to get big size without juice and Just I wanted to say no. And also, many people ask me about it through PM. So, I had to give a clear answer no?
Thats it.
And I say this to you. I competed as swimmer also. But the toughest thing i have ever done is raising my company to this level of now in the foreign country.
Comparing with another things i did, the pain of bbing is nothing.
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http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/ (http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2009-jacksonville-pro-202-from-the-lens-of-mark-mason/)
Tell me again he can't look better than almost all of them. And that's just one list.
I still see those pros are way better than him.
especialy pec and quads. Even many have better arms than Hazbin.
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Hey, I strongly recomend you to go to a hospital.
Your prejudice is so strong and i am really surprised.
Its just a fvckin internet. Its not my business nor the important part of life. I am doing just for the entertainment.
And I dont prove anything in the cyber world. Not only bbing, i did numerous things in my life.
Just many getbigers always think that its impossible to get big size without juice and Just I wanted to say no. And also, many people ask me about it through PM. So, I had to give a clear answer no?
Thats it.
And I say this to you. I competed as swimmer also. But the toughest thing i have ever done is raising my company to this level of now in the foreign country.
Comparing with another things i did, the pain of bbing is nothing.
Don't ever waste you time qualifying yourself to other people. Especially people you don't even know. It's a sign of weakness.
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dude don't be so humble yourself,kymou, blair moen is big dude and competed npc ,good build now wrestler or trying to be .
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2343639126_c012c0d711.jpg?v=0)
Great build... unfortunately that's not me ;D
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Don't ever waste you time qualifying yourself to other people. Especially people you don't even know. It's a sign of weakness.
Qualifying by crazy people? Gimme a break..
And also, i am not afraid to be weak. Since I am nothing.... ;)
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2343639126_c012c0d711.jpg?v=0)
Great build... unfortunately that's not me ;D
huuge nipples
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2343639126_c012c0d711.jpg?v=0)
Great build... unfortunately that's not me ;D
I see this bber better than Hazbin.
(Hazbin, my friend, sorry. Just my honest opinion.)
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All DRUGS ;D
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Natural?
You guys are all full of shit , sorry no pun entended..
But come on !!!
In the old days guys like Arnold and Loiu where full of chems.
And a lot of these guys today claim natural and are the size of Arnold..
Guess Arnold had shitty genetics then?
Why all the lies and bullshit size claims?
Like Kyomu his 19 inch arm claims.... hahahahahhaa
You are like 5 feet tall man, if you truly had 19 inch that would look huge!!!!!!
Cut the bullshit!
You have an ok physique, but you are not natural and your arms are no way near 19 inch!
And you know it!
Have a nice weekend all!
Romero
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Natural?
You guys are all full of shit , sorry no pun entended..
But come on !!!
In the old days guys like Arnold and Loiu where full of chems.
And a lot of these guys today claim natural and are the size of Arnold..
Guess Arnold had shitty genetics then?
Why all the lies and bullshit size claims?
Like Kyomu his 19 inch arm claims.... hahahahahhaa
You are like 5 feet tall man, if you truly had 19 inch that would look huge!!!!!!
Cut the bullshit!
You have an ok physique, but you are not natural and your arms are no way near 19 inch!
And you know it!
Have a nice weekend all!
Romero
Well, this one is definitely easy to prove. Break out the tape and the video. Let's check it out.
Pat
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Natural?
You guys are all full of shit , sorry no pun entended..
But come on !!!
In the old days guys like Arnold and Loiu where full of chems.
And a lot of these guys today claim natural and are the size of Arnold..
Guess Arnold had shitty genetics then?
Why all the lies and bullshit size claims?
Like Kyomu his 19 inch arm claims.... hahahahahhaa
You are like 5 feet tall man, if you truly had 19 inch that would look huge!!!!!!
Cut the bullshit!
You have an ok physique, but you are not natural and your arms are no way near 19 inch!
And you know it!
Have a nice weekend all!
Romero
What a typical inferior mind.
You actualy try to believe that my height is like Lee priest to feel yourself better and try to deny my arm measurement for justifying your tiny arms measurement. What a loser...
I dont fvcking care if my arm measurement is like 10 inchs since those judges dont measure my arms.
And sorry. I am taller than Dexter according to Paco.
Dexters arm is over 20inchs easily.
So, my arms measure 19inchs around is nothing strange.
(http://toronto.cityguide.ca/images/dexter1.jpg)(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs147.snc1/5456_1210608788418_1324685224_30579620_6196809_n.jpg)
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I am not going to prove anything...
Do not have to.....
I do have 20 inch arms, but I am 6 feet 2 inch.
And even at that height they do not look small...
So Kyomu claims 19 inch at what 5,7?
Yeag right........
I am not natural, do not claim to, I am just always sick off all the bullshit claims of so called "naturals"
No pun intended...
Nice weekend all..
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Well, this one is definitely easy to prove. Break out the tape and the video. Let's check it out.
Pat
I will post it soon on Youtube. Maesured by Paco.
Next week, he will disappear for the vacation.
So our arms workout of another week..
I will own TONS OF GETBIG LOSERS.
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I will post it soon on Youtube. Maesured by Paco.
Next week, he will disappear for the vacation.
So our arms workout of another week..
I will own TONS OF GETBIG LOSERS.
Milos says you take Steroids
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I will post it soon on Youtube. Maesured by Paco.
Next week, he will disappear for the vacation.
So our arms workout of another week..
I will own TONS OF GETBIG LOSERS.
Yeah you will prove us all you are a user. Good going. ;D
And by the way, you are starting to sound like a typical user hellbent on proving he is a natural and in the process calling people names and making some new enemies...
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Milos says you take Steroids
I see no signs of steriod use in Kyumo's physique. Do some of you actually believe that's not attainable naturally? ???
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I am not going to prove anything...
Do not have to.....
I do have 20 inch arms, but I am 6 feet 2 inch.
And even at that height they do not look small...
So Kyomu claims 19 inch at what 5,7?
Yeag right........
I am not natural, do not claim to, I am just always sick off all the bullshit claims of so called "naturals"
No pun intended...
Nice weekend all..
Typical loser who cant admit better people than you.
What a sad life...
About natural, I always offer a bet.
And Everybody run away from it because of fear.
Hahahahahahaha!
I have just offered one to Milos with 30000euros.
I wont offer it to you. Cus you are a poor kid and even you dont have 10000euros.
So, forget about it.. ;)
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I will post it soon on Youtube. Maesured by Paco.
Next week, he will disappear for the vacation.
So our arms workout of another week..
I will own TONS OF GETBIG LOSERS.
I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait for you to shut some of these guys up. I wish there was some way to prove once and for all that you can have a good physique and be natural. Not only good but with some descent size. I've been training for years and I know it can be done. Granted, there are a lot of guys who claim to be natural that are not but doesn't it make sense that there would be some guys with good builds that truly are natural. I've seen guys with good builds that don't even lift weights. Anyway, I think we can chalk this one up to one of the age old discussions that can never truly be settled.
Pat
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I see no signs of steriod use in Kyumo's physique. Do some of you actually believe that's not attainable naturally? ???
Its simple. You have a great physique and you feel it.
Take a good look at how they are(Those who think I juice). They are all tiny or fat losers.
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Its simple. You have a great physique and you feel it.
Take a good look at how they are(Those who think I juice). They are all tiny or fat losers.
Sevatase say differently
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I am natural with 20 inch arms.I'm 5'10.
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I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait for you to shut some of these guys up. I wish there was some way to prove once and for all that you can have a good physique and be natural. Not only good but with some descent size. I've been training for years and I know it can be done. Granted, there are a lot of guys who claim to be natural that are not but doesn't it make sense that there would be some guys with good builds that truly are natural. I've seen guys with good builds that don't even lift weights. Anyway, I think we can chalk this one up to one of the age old discussions that can never truly be settled.
Pat
Yeah. Honestly saying, I am not gifted like you or Meso. And so, everybody can attain my physique level naturaly.
Just week mind people dont want to face that fact.
What a losers...
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Its simple. You have a great physique and you feel it.
Take a good look at how they are(Those who think I juice). They are all tiny or fat losers.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
Prove it. :-\
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I guess "humble natural" is an oxymoron... ::)
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Prove it. :-\
We need pics of klaus fan
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Milos says you take Steroids
Thats why I offered 30000euros bet to him.
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We need pics of klaus fan
Well I can describe myself. I have 24" arms (all natural and no oil). 100 % hard work. :P
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Thats why I offered 30000euros bet to him.
he never responded to your offer
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he never responded to your offer
He told me that i will get his response for sure.
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Thats why I offered 30000euros bet to him.
Is the juice that expensive you need to make these huge bets you know you will win by cheating?
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Its simple. You have a great physique and you feel it.
Take a good look at how they are(Those who think I juice). They are all tiny or fat losers.
Dude I am not poor, nor am I a kid...
I am not the one bragging about my physique and bragging about betting wit money.
Peole who brag , oftn have issues.
I do not need to brag, I am 6,2 and even if I do not work out I am a big man.
So I am not at litte.
Sucks to be short and puny huh?
I live in Holland so pass by , spain is near.
We can tak about your bet then.
You are betting away with money you can not even spend!
10000 euros?
Even 30000 hahahahahaha...
Dude you clearly have issues, I say something and you are getting so wind up?
Why If you are so natural why even get pissed a me, I am stating my opinion?
You clearly have issues.
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Dude I am not poor, nor am I a kid...
I am not the one bragging about my physique and bragging about betting wit money.
Peole who brag , oftn have issues.
I do not need to brag, I am 6,2 and even if I do not work out I am a big man.
So I am not at litte.
Sucks to be short and puny huh?
I live in Holland so pass by , spain is near.
We can tak about your bet then.
You are betting away with money you can not even spend!
10000 euros?
Even 30000 hahahahahaha...
Dude you clearly have issues, I say something and you are getting so wind up?
Why If you are so natural why even get pissed a me, I am stating my opinion?
You clearly have issues.
OK. Lets build a thread.
Please post your pic if everybody can know your face.
Its a official bet.
I will prepare lawyer and Civil law notary.
30000euros.
Deal?
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Is the juice that expensive you need to make these huge bets you know you will win by cheating?
Whats up fat chubby?
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I see no signs of steriod use in Kyumo's physique. Do some of you actually believe that's not attainable naturally? ???
kyomu is part of the Team Lousy Responders. No, 19" arms aren't attainable naturally. So he is either a liar (arm size) or a lier (a user).
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Whats up fat chubby?
;D Hey give me some of that DNP. And some diuretics so I can be just like you.
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kyomu is part of the Team Lousy Responders. No, 19" arms aren't attainable naturally. So he is either a liar (arm size) or a lier (a user).
About 19inchs arms..... Youtube
About natural..........bet
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;D Hey give me some of that DNP. And some diuretics so I can be just like you.
Kid,
even if you use tons of juice, you cant beat me.
You are just a lazy ass.
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Kid,
even if you use tons of juice, you cant beat me.
You are just a lazy ass.
Of course I am. ::)
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OK. Lets build a thread.
Please post your pic if everybody can know your face.
Its a official bet.
I will prepare lawyer and Civil law notary.
30000euros.
Deal?
hahahahahhahaa
My little friend,
You are making a real fool of yourself on this friday night!
As I said man I reside in europe, holland.
If you are so anxious to see my physique pass by here!?
I mean you are so rich , with all this money you can bet away!
Pass by here man, you can pay a ticket right?It is only 250 euros a ticket to Amsterdam.
Anyway I am off to hit the clubs!
Show of my little arms!
And while you will not be able to sleep beause I ruined your night with my opinion, and while you will be on getbig asking for pictures of other dudes, I will be fucking my lady. (that is whatb real men do you know)
Nice weekend my little closet homo sapien friend!!
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hahahahahhahaa
My little friend,
You are making a real fool of yourself on this friday night!
As I said man I reside in europe, holland.
If you are so anxious to see my physique pass by here!?
I mean you are so rich , with all this money you can bet away!
Pass by here man, you can pay a ticket right?It is only 250 euros a ticket to Amsterdam.
Anyway I am off to hit the clubs!
Show of my little arms!
And while you will not be able to sleep beause I ruined your night with my opinion, and while you will be on getbig asking for pictures of other dudes, I will be fucking my lady. (that is whatb real men do you know)
Nice weekend my little closet homo sapien friend!!
Another coward run away.......
I dont want to see the pic of your skinny physic. Just show your face to everybody who you are.
About money, dont worry. I am a company owner.
I can go there. but I must really sure about who you are and everything there.
In that case, you must prepare everything LEGALY with lawyer and Notaly.
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Of course I am. ::)
Talk talk talk talk.......
And nothing....
Its a wasting time.
Same as Sevas. I wont talk to you anymore.
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Talk talk talk talk.......
And nothing....
Its a wasting time.
Same as Sevas. I wont talk to you anymore.
Yeah run away. :D
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I think alot of people have misunderstood kyomu in this thread. What he is saying, I think, is that he has average genetics, but with hard work and good nutrition, you can build a decent body. And I don't think anyone would say that he hasn't built a respectable physique. But what kymou is NOT doing is bragging on himself. I think some have misinterpreted him.
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I think alot of people have misunderstood kyomu in this thread. What he is saying, I think, is that he has average genetics, but with hard work and good nutrition, you can build a decent body. And I don't think anyone would say that he hasn't built a respectable physique. But what kymou is NOT doing is bragging on himself. I think some have misinterpreted him.
I'm glad some people live in a world where 19" natural arms are "decent". :)
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I think alot of people have misunderstood kyomu in this thread. What he is saying, I think, is that he has average mediocre genetics, but with hard work and good nutrition, you can build a decent body. And I don't think anyone would say that he hasn't built a respectable physique. But what kymou is NOT doing is bragging on himself. I think some have misinterpreted him.
Fixed.
Thanx as usual. ;)
If my level phsique is attainable only with drugs...what a sad sport.. :-\
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I'm glad some people live in a world where 19" natural arms are "decent". :)
19" arms are decent--very respectable. I don't get your meaning.
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19" arms are decent--very respectable. I don't get your meaning.
What would be awesome natural arms? 22"? 23"?
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What would be awesome natural arms? 22"? 23"?
If Paco does bbing like me as natural, possibly he can reach 22inch around.
But maybe not super grany hard like now.
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If Paco does bbing like me as natural, possibly he can reach 22inch around.
But maybe not super grany hard like now.
I don't think so. That guy is a walking pharmacy.
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If Paco does bbing like me as natural, possibly he can reach 22inch around.
But maybe not super grany hard like now.
Ok. ::) So a little bit bigger than Arnold's arms at his peak...sounds realistic.
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What would be awesome natural arms? 22"? 23"?
so i guess you want to quibble over the definition of "decent"? any natural that has acheived 19 inch arms has done well, depending on body fat levels. hell, i saw a woman today with 30 inch arms and she was all natural...if McDonald's is considered natural.
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so i guess you want to quibble over the definition of "decent"? any natural that has acheived 19 inch arms has done well, depending on body fat levels. hell, i saw a woman today with 30 inch arms and she was all natural...if McDonald's is considered natural.
Well of course talking about some kind of shape, under 20% bodyfat atleast.
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I don't think so. That guy is a walking pharmacy.
Oh yes? ;D
I cant say anything about him here. ;)
Do you know why he hang around out side of gym with me also?
Cus one of the reasons is that I dont talk about drugs like another bbers.
And he is not that stupid like those average juicers and he knows his situations..
Now you imagine.. ;)
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I see this bber better than Hazbin.
(Hazbin, my friend, sorry. Just my honest opinion.)
no shit he's better than me!!
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no shit he's better than me!!
Mr. Kyumo has gotten real critical lately. Since he's such a great "natural", maybe he should be able to beat other "naturals" like Jeff Willett, Jeff Rodriguez, or maybe Skip La Cour. After all, he has 19 inch arms...and feels he compares well with Dexter Jackson. Maybe he should go into the Team Universe instead of untested local shows in Spain...where he blames his placings on his lack of drugs. What do you say Kyomu..why don't you compete against the world's best naturals instead of trying to beat second rate "juicers?"
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19 inch arms natural is not as unobtainable as some of you make it out to be. I had 19's way back in the day. Way back before I used Superdrol/Phera Plex and any of the new "designer steroids". I think it's definitely respectable and very obtainable. Give the guy a break. 19 Natural is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. ???
Pat
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once again 20 inch natural....(over 15 years training).
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once again 20 inch natural....(over 15 years training).
Come on man, give it a rest. Have some faith. It can be done. It's not that big a deal. I don't know why you guys keep going on about it. I've known a few in my day and I'm sure there are some of you who know some too. Not everyone does drugs. Anyway, like I said, debate for the ages. Never gonna be solved her on Getbig.
Pat
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This just in, kyomu has arms the same size as vince taylor.
Turnerg, I'm not saying you cant get 19's natural, all I'm saying is I've seen 19's and kyomu doesn't have them.
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vince taylor is bigger
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vince taylor is bigger
Vince said he had 19's.
Something isn't adding up, either every picture kyomu takes is at a bad angle, or he is....
no, no he cant be...
I refuse to believe he's lying about his arm measurement.
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This just in, kyomu has arms the same size as vince taylor.
Turnerg, I'm not saying you cant get 19's natural, all I'm saying is I've seen 19's and kyomu doesn't have them.
This just in = LOL :D
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I see no signs of steriod use in Kyumo's physique. Do some of you actually believe that's not attainable naturally? ???
so someone who takes steroids always has "signs"? ::)
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19 inch arms natural is not as unobtainable as some of you make it out to be. I had 19's way back in the day. Way back before I used Superdrol/Phera Plex and any of the new "designer steroids". I think it's definitely respectable and very obtainable. Give the guy a break. 19 Natural is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. ???
Pat
Another liar. ::) And in your avatar you have 16-17" arms. You are so far away from 19"...even with drugs.
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Vince said he had 19's.
Something isn't adding up, either every picture kyomu takes is at a bad angle, or he is....
no, no he cant be...
I refuse to believe he's lying about his arm measurement.
What if Vince Taylor is...gasp...telling the truth! :o Would be the first one...
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so someone who takes steroids always has "signs"? ::)
I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.
Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.
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I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.
Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.
Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=292438.0;attach=333059;image)(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs147.snc1/5456_1210608788418_1324685224_30579620_6196809_n.jpg)
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Vince said he had 19's.
Something isn't adding up, either every picture kyomu takes is at a bad angle, or he is....
no, no he cant be...
I refuse to believe he's lying about his arm measurement.
Its impossible that Vince didnt have his arms more than 20inchs.
He is just kidding for sure.
Even my friend measured his arms 51cm in front of us(BF 10% around now with 95kg).
And he is shorter than me too.
Ok. He took 5th place of -85kg category of the Europe championships.
As you see, his arm is smaller than Vince.
(http://www.musclemag-es.com/images_docs/galeria_campeonatos_nacionales/2009/copa_espana_ifbb/carlos_espuelas.jpg)
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Lol joking mate :D
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Angry or hungry?
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Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=292438.0;attach=333059;image)(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs147.snc1/5456_1210608788418_1324685224_30579620_6196809_n.jpg)
Who says that there is no big difference in BF level?
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Angry or hungry?
Same question, i was going to ask
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Who says that there is no big difference in BF level?
Oh you see me much mcuh fatter than Hazbin?
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Oh you see me much mcuh fatter than Hazbin?
The only thing I see is that he looks much more ripped than you. The question is if that's because he is on roids but not more ripped than you or he is more ripped than you indeed?
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The only thing I see is that he looks much more ripped than you. The question is if that's because he is on roids but not more ripped than you or he is more ripped than you indeed?
Oh yes? Count the number of striations of pecs please.
Please check the abdominal cuts depth please.
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Oh yes? Count the number of striations of pecs please.
Please check the abdominal cuts depth please.
He's much more vascular and probably the tan helps too.
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He's much more vascular and probably the tan helps too.
Vascularity comes from juicing since your blood flow increase dramaticaly.
So, not only vascularity, it cause muscle fullness while my muscle dont look so full next to him.
Even I tan my skin, i would look soft next to him.
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Angry or hungry?
Angry but you can feed it if you like :D
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I would say usually, correct?? Hardness, size, shoulders, big, but still very lean.
Kyomu, while impressive, really doesn't have that "wow," factor that juicers have if you know what I mean. Hard to explain I guess.
Who is the internet "guru" who came up with these signs as being a steroid user? ::) ::) ::) as gh15 says its the same as "deca dick", "pct" and all that internet crap.
before juicing i had big round shoulders and extreme hardness, yet everyone accused me of steroids. its all genetic
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so someone who takes steroids always has "signs"? ::)
ofcourse not.. but from what I know and have done I can tell you his physique is attainable naturally. Anyone who cant believe it does not work hard enough or has shit genetics or the combination of the two.
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Hazbin looks much leaner than Kyomu.
I would guess 3% leaner
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ofcourse not.. but from what I know and have done I can tell you his physique is attainable naturally. Anyone who cant believe it does not work hard enough or has shit genetics or the combination of the two.
X2
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Not even full flexing..... Still soft? Last one....
Hard upper body, soft lower body. You're only proving Kyomu's point with your pictures.
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Come on man, give it a rest. Have some faith. It can be done. It's not that big a deal. I don't know why you guys keep going on about it. I've known a few in my day and I'm sure there are some of you who know some too. Not everyone does drugs. Anyway, like I said, debate for the ages. Never gonna be solved her on Getbig.
Pat
I agree bro.
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I pity the fools who think I'm a juicer. I'm just an average guy with great work ethic.
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Who is the internet "guru" who came up with these signs as being a steroid user? ::) ::) ::) as gh15 says its the same as "deca dick", "pct" and all that internet crap.
before juicing i had big round shoulders and extreme hardness, yet everyone accused me of steroids. its all genetic
Yes, to some extent, you can obviously tell from a juicer and a non juicer. It's the "wow," factor, like I said, the hardness, lean and big look.
TRUE naturals are not that impressive next to juicers period, of course, but by themselves yes.
I don't agree with everything GH15 says, but he did say something along the lines is that juicers always have that pumped up look 24/7.
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I pity the fools who think I'm a juicer. I'm just an average guy with great work ethic.
This is Scott Steiner, you stupid.
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Yes, to some extent, you can obviously tell from a juicer and a non juicer. It's the "wow," factor, like I said, the hardness, lean and big look.
TRUE naturals are not that impressive next to juicers period, of course, but by themselves yes.
I don't agree with everything GH15 says, but he did say something along the lines is that juicers always have that pumped up look 24/7.
Yes.
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This is Scott Steiner, you stupid.
Did Milos take your bet?
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Did Milos take your bet?
Still waiting.
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the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.
so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.
these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.
i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.
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the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.
so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.
these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.
i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.
Since your receptors were flesh, they worked very well with minimum dose.
Too full and vascular for natural.
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the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.
so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.
these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.
i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.
Damn bro...either way you got an impressive physic.
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Swimmers are cool...
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Damn bro...either way you got an impressive physic.
Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.
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Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.
yea but who doesn't look better when there young...unless they didn't work out when they were young.
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Actualy, he looked thicker and better when he was young.
i agree. back then it was more training and diet and next to no drugs. later on i didn't train or diet that hard and took more drugs. i looked much worse with higher drugs. that is why i think drugs are less of a factor than naturals think.
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i agree. back then it was more training and diet and next to no drugs. later on i didn't train or diet that hard and took more drugs. i looked much worse with higher drugs. that is why i think drugs are less of a factor than naturals think.
Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?
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Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?
yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.
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Yeah. But If you train hard like your young days and more drugs than young day...
In case, we could see your blue stars saying Pro... who knows?
btw, i have no stars at all.
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yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.
Just you are smart though.
You turned pro...Then you didnt win even one show and paid lots of money and sacrificed your health.. :-\
If you are not top 5 of Mr.O, its a bad business.
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yes, people always said i would be pro if i wasn't so scared of drugs. it wasn't fear, it was a logic based decision to not damage myself. in retrospect i was way more conservative than i needed to be.
You made the right move...Yes, loading up on grams a week of androgens, tons of GH, IGf-1, Insulin, thyroid, etc..and I believe you could have turned pro. Yes, you may have had fulfilled a dream (if indeed that was your dream) but at the same time you may have ended up a physical wreck..with kidney transplants, heart problems. Who knows what will happen to guys like Ronnie? I'd rather look like you, still have my health than risk everything and spend a fortune on drugs just to be on a Pro stage (with a big gut probably). Just feel good about yourself and what you accomplished, and be happy you still have your health..because when you spend the rest of your life feeling shitty, life isn't fun and the fact that you were a pro won't mean much.
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btw, i have no stars at all.
yes, you have four little gold stars
it means you're the best at being who you are
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yes, you have four little gold stars
it means you're the best at being who you are
Sounds good.
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Didn't Jay had a income of about 1 million when being Mr.Olympia? Sure that's some money but honestly very very bad for being 'the best person of the sport'
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HAZBIN, can you tell us what drugs and dosages you were on in both early and later part of your amateur career? It's interesting to hear... please be completely honest too.
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Exactly.
While there is no big difference in the BF level, Hazbin look way harder and tighter than me.(Thats the WOW factor).
And my physique looks soft.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=292438.0;attach=333059;image)(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs147.snc1/5456_1210608788418_1324685224_30579620_6196809_n.jpg)
K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic :D
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K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic :D
Has anyone ever met a woman who appreciates a good handle bar mustache? a real woman.
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You made the right move...Yes, loading up on grams a week of androgens, tons of GH, IGf-1, Insulin, thyroid, etc..and I believe you could have turned pro. Yes, you may have had fulfilled a dream (if indeed that was your dream) but at the same time you may have ended up a physical wreck..with kidney transplants, heart problems. Who knows what will happen to guys like Ronnie? I'd rather look like you, still have my health than risk everything and spend a fortune on drugs just to be on a Pro stage (with a big gut probably). Just feel good about yourself and what you accomplished, and be happy you still have your health..because when you spend the rest of your life feeling shitty, life isn't fun and the fact that you were a pro won't mean much.
IIRC, (and correct me if I'm wrong hazbin), but hazbin said he drinks a lot and takes cycles when his body can't take the booze anymore. That ain't too healthy either.
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K you should grow a handlebar Moustace like hazbin has in this pic :D
Oh I am too lazy to trim it like that.
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kyomu - Milos wrote you back on his thread ;D
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kyomu - Milos wrote you back on his thread ;D
Now I go.
P.S. You should pay to us(Me,Sevas and Milos). You are entertained by us too much.
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Now I go.
P.S. You should pay to us(Me,Sevas and Milos). You are entertained by us too much.
LOL :D Keep entertainning us man.
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So kyomu you do not take any supplements at all? Just maybe proetin powder now and then?
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Namat 5th too smooth.
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the pics of me here (compared to Kymoyo) are from long after i took bodybuilding seriously. up till 1991 i trained and dieted literally like my life depended on it. in 1992 i bought a gym, and never really trained that hard again. up til 1992 i did absolutely minimal amounts of juice. and i was 10 times as grainy as recently when i relied more on drugs.
so higher drug use actually decreased my grainy look.
these pics are from 1990 and1991, the first two years that i used steroids; and in very low amounts.
i weighed 235 and 240 in these two pics.
And this guy could not be a pro kyomu? You must be completely blind ;D
Some of the best caucasian genetics I have ever seen. Jay Cutler would kill for thin skin like hazbin has
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And this guy could not be a pro kyomu? You must be completely blind ;D
Some of the best caucasian genetics I have ever seen. Jay Cutler would kill for thin skin like hazbin has
90kg or 100kg shredded amas exist many.(Another reason why i dont want to juice)
But, 90-100kg shredded complete physic is rare.
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So kyomu you do not take any supplements at all? Just maybe proetin powder now and then?
Since May, I havent taken any supps because of laziness.
But, I progress same. So why should i use them again?
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Since May, I havent taken any supps because of laziness.
But, I progress same. So why should i use them again?
Creatine and vanadyl stack has worked well for me.
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IIRC, (and correct me if I'm wrong hazbin), but hazbin said he drinks a lot and takes cycles when his body can't take the booze anymore. That ain't too healthy either.
when i was young i was completely health conscious and i took alot for me to actually convince myself to do my first cycle. now, i treat my body like shit. i take painkillers everyday for arthritis and disc problems, i drink all the time, eat like shit.
so yeah, i was smart about my health when i was younger, now i just can't seem to give a shit. ???
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im witrh crazy mishko in this one ,,,i think kyomi took a lot more than one cycle of hormone,,not only that but when your friend is mr pako him self ,,, you just have hormones aounrd all over ready to be used ,,
not big user not heavy used but his height with his condition at 80kg for 5'7 guy...trhsoe fellas naturlaly stop at 70kg,, he is more than that A LOT MORE ,,,the best indonian natural i know compete at 5'7 152 lb on stage at better condition than kyomi but i would go and say here that in the prepatation for competition kyomi is clean and thats is also why he place bad,,
over all no one can prove anything not with the way drugs are now days and the masking agents around to cover for them ,,pill go in and out in a matter of 2 hours,,and thats with no masking agents,,
also naturals can get way beter condition than hormonized bodybuilders they will only be much smaller,,but their skin tone will be better and thinner,,they wont be as hard as hormonized true ,,but they will have better condition at smaller size if dier very hard ,,,they will also look like skeleton but condition will be 100%
almost no fellas i see on getbig are naturals from the competitors ,,the one natural fella i saw here is that feella with the boxing gloves,, now he is natural true natural never touched hotmones and he is also the best youll get ,,i forgot his name he has this picture with the boxing gloves and the boxing pants ,,something with 4 in the name or this for that or something
mj15 approved
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im witrh crazy mishko in this one ,,,i think kyomi took a lot more than one cycle of hormone,,not only that but when your friend is mr pako him self ,,, you just have hormones aounrd all over ready to be used ,,
not big user not heavy used but his height with his condition at 80kg for 5'7 guy...trhsoe fellas naturlaly stop at 70kg,, he is more than that A LOT MORE ,,,the best indonian natural i know compete at 5'7 152 lb on stage at better condition than kyomi but i would go and say here that in the prepatation for competition kyomi is clean and thats is also why he place bad,,
over all no one can prove anything not with the way drugs are now days and the masking agents around to cover for them ,,pill go in and out in a matter of 2 hours,,and thats with no masking agents,,
also naturals can get way beter condition than hormonized bodybuilders they will only be much smaller,,but their skin tone will be better and thinner,,they wont be as hard as hormonized true ,,but they will have better condition at smaller size if dier very hard ,,,they will also look like skeleton but condition will be 100%
almost no fellas i see on getbig are naturals from the competitors ,,the one natural fella i saw here is that feella with the boxing gloves,, now he is natural true natural never touched hotmones and he is also the best youll get ,,i forgot his name he has this picture with the boxing gloves and the boxing pants ,,something with 4 in the name or this for that or something
mj15 approved
Why?Too big to be a natural huh? ;D
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Why?Too big to be a asian natural that lives24/7 with a pro and known huge drug abuser huh? ;D
Fixed ;D
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Fixed ;D
;D
The funny thing is, If I say i juice, people start to say "Bad responder","shitty genetic","looks like a natural"....
Anyway, here is Getbig.. ;)
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why would you lie about your natural status
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why would you lie about your natural status
I dont need to lie anything. What is the benefit?
If there is a big benefit, i would lie as much as i want.
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;D
The funny thing is, If I say i juice, people start to say "Bad responder","shitty genetic","looks like a natural"....
Anyway, here is Getbig.. ;)
Because that's what you say about natural who are better than you.
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Because that's what you say about natural who are better than you.
Again. What a prejudice you have...
I know tons of natural who are better than me.
But, I say a general view.
If Dorian stayed natural, i am really sure that he is still harder than any juicers.
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im witrh crazy mishko in this one ,,,i think kyomi took a lot more than one cycle of hormone,,not only that but when your friend is mr pako him self ,,, you just have hormones aounrd all over ready to be used ,,
not big user not heavy used but his height with his condition at 80kg for 5'7 guy...trhsoe fellas naturlaly stop at 70kg,, he is more than that A LOT MORE ,,,the best indonian natural i know compete at 5'7 152 lb on stage at better condition than kyomi but i would go and say here that in the prepatation for competition kyomi is clean and thats is also why he place bad,,
over all no one can prove anything not with the way drugs are now days and the masking agents around to cover for them ,,pill go in and out in a matter of 2 hours,,and thats with no masking agents,,
also naturals can get way beter condition than hormonized bodybuilders they will only be much smaller,,but their skin tone will be better and thinner,,they wont be as hard as hormonized true ,,but they will have better condition at smaller size if dier very hard ,,,they will also look like skeleton but condition will be 100%
almost no fellas i see on getbig are naturals from the competitors ,,the one natural fella i saw here is that feella with the boxing gloves,, now he is natural true natural never touched hotmones and he is also the best youll get ,,i forgot his name he has this picture with the boxing gloves and the boxing pants ,,something with 4 in the name or this for that or something
mj15 approved
Nice try, Nassar. I'll give you a hint as to who is is. He wrote you 5 part series of articles on bodybuilding.com. ::)
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Nice try, Nassar. I'll give you a hint as to who is is. He wrote you 5 part series of articles on bodybuilding.com. ::)
He is not even Nasser. He is justa drug dealer.
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He is not even Nasser. He is justa drug dealer.
It is Nassar. "gh15" knows every little nobody on getbig but doesn't know who wrote Nassar's articles series for bodybuilding.com? yeah right.
And Dennis James would not be taking the time to post after his win on Saturday. That is for sure.
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It is Nassar. "gh15" knows every little nobody on getbig but doesn't know who wrote Nassar's articles series for bodybuilding.com? yeah right.
And Dennis James would not be taking the time to post after his win on Saturday. That is for sure.
Yes he would. He hasn't posted all week and the show's over so he's posting now.
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Yes he would. He hasn't posted all week and the show's over so he's posting now.
You do not know how a champion thinks. James would not jump on this board right after a contest he won. Nassar has nothing to do but drum up business.
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You do not know how a champion thinks. James would not jump on this board right after a contest he won. Nassar has nothing to do but drum up business.
Of course he would. He'd want to see what getbig thinks of how he looked etc... all bber's always go on the boards to check this stuff out.
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Of course he would. He'd want to see what getbig thinks of how he looked etc... all bber's always go on the boards to check this stuff out.
You do have a point. I will give you that. However, I still believe it is Nassar because gh15 is such a bitter person. He knows the details of every little nobody on getbig but "can't remember" the person who wrote the Nassar interviews. Too obvious. I bet every person on the board can tell you who the person "with the boxing gloves" is.
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You do have a point. I will give you that. However, I still believe it is Nassar because gh15 is such a bitter person. He knows the details of every little nobody on getbig but "can't remember" the person who wrote the Nassar interviews. Too obvious. I bet every person on the board can tell you who the person "with the boxing gloves" is.
bitter person ? ,,not quite ,,i just give out the truth about what all of you know is the truth,,
i belive ethat when you meet girl you need to tell her look i use hormone testosterone thats why i wanna fuck you 5 times a night and thats why i have big muscles with lower bodyfat,,
then some majority of fools come to the girl and say i was born this way i work hard in gym and lie to her face,,
thats the whole problem of this industry,, if more truth been told lot more of you would be happily married,,
the worst thing is to lie about something and then for th eperson to find out that lie ,,the problem is not the hormone the problem in bodybuilding is the lies!!
mj15 approved
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bitter person ? ,,not quite ,,i just give out the truth about what all of you know is the truth,,
i belive ethat when you meet girl you need to tell her look i use hormone testosterone thats why i wanna fuck you 5 times a night and thats why i have big muscles with lower bodyfat,,
then some majority of fools come to the girl and say i was born this way i work hard in gym and lie to her face,,
thats the whole problem of this industry,, if more truth been told lot more of you would be happily married,,
the worst thing is to lie about something and then for th eperson to find out that lie ,,the problem is not the hormone the problem in bodybuilding is the lies!!
mj15 approved
its very very rare for people to tell the truth about steroids in this industry,,,
especially the girls,,, no way you tell them you on steroids,,, then everything you do will be "oh its the steroids" fuck that,,, you need to ease people into it,,, before scaring them the fucck aaway
people will tell that girl you want in jealously that you use steroids,,, you need to address that when she asks,,, sometimes you gotta say no brother,,,
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;D
The funny thing is, If I say i juice, people start to say "Bad responder","shitty genetic","looks like a natural"....
Anyway, here is Getbig.. ;)
you DO juice, YOU are A BAD RESPONDER, and you definetly have shitty genes
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you DO juice, YOU are A BAD RESPONDER, and you definetly have shitty genes
the same could be said for you.although on an even worse scale.not flaming bro just pointing out the obvious.
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I guess I should feel ashamed if anyone thinks I'm natural. That means you can't win either way. Using but not looking good enough or not using and looking to good. You're in a loose loose situation. The only solution to this problem is to not give a damn what anyone else thinks either way. For me, it's all about the training anyway. I love it. What anyone else thinks really doesn't matter.
Pat
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I guess I should feel ashamed if anyone thinks I'm natural. That means you can't win either way. Using but not looking good enough or not using and looking to good. You're in a loose loose situation. The only solution to this problem is to not give a damn what anyone else thinks either way. For me, it's all about the training anyway. I love it. What anyone else thinks really doesn't matter.
Pat
Exactly, if many people call you a lier, you did good job as a natural bber.
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Exactly, if many people call you a lier, you did good job as a natural bber.
I'll pick you up lets go to Milos's Gym...
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Exactly, if many people call you a lier, you did good job as a natural bber.
or maybe you really ARE a liar ;)
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MIlos is going to be busy this summer with all the MMA fights, Challenges and bets. Does anyone have a recap on all the things going down?
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the same could be said for you.although on an even worse scale.not flaming bro just pointing out the obvious.
:D ::)