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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 02:52:12 PM
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A lot of you have PMd me asking this question, so I will answer it here. No, I am not anti bodybuilding as I define it. However, I am disgusted at what the "sport" is.
Some would argue that bodybuilding is a great "sport" because it's healthy, it makes you look better and if you're successful at it, it can provide fame & money. However, the truth is that it's really not a sport, it is very unhealthy, it forces you to break the law, to the vast majority of the population you look disgusting, and it brings you fame only to Schmoes. Of course, there is no money, even for the top professionals.
That said, I do enjoy "building my body". I train with weights and eat a certain way so that I can have an athletic body that allows me to be strong, flexible, explosive and have strong muscle endurance.
So, there it is.
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There is lots of money...even for top professionals.
Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue
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There is lots of money...even for top professionals.
Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue
Okay, educate me. Let's take Kai Greene as an example. What would you say he makes in a year factoring in contest winnings, sponsor money, appearance fees, gay4pay, etc.
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Okay, educate me. Let's take Kai Greene as an example. What would you say he makes in a year factoring in contest winnings, sponsor money, appearance fees, gay4pay, etc.
Made just under 200K in prize money...I'll guess 10 Guest posings at 3K apiece, supp contract and Pubs contract, even at 50K apiece...looks like he made about 330K last year in my estimation
you would know G4P money as you seem to be an authority on it lately...
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Made just under 200K in prize money...I'll guess 10 Guest posings at 3K apiece, supp contract and Pubs contract, even at 50K apiece...looks like he made about 330K last year in my estimation
you would know G4P money as you seem to be an authority on it lately...
Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?
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Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?
oooo interesting question
grabs popcorn
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Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?
For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....
I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.
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For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....
I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.
Jay Cutler seems to be doing ok for himself as do many more.
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It's not like he can't get another job after he's done.
He knows the rules it's his choice to compete. If he doesn't want to compete go do something else. You can't just complain things need to change just because he only wants to lift weights and compete.
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For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....
I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.
but Kai, for the moment, is one of the top tier of guys. the real question is what do the middle of the pack guys make?
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I'm no expert but I'm sure when he stops competing he can make a fair bit personal training because of the name he made for himself by being a top tier pro. Also if he's smart with investing like Nasser was he can be financially independent after competing.
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I'm no expert but I'm sure when he stops competing he can make a fair bit personal training because of the name he made for himself by being a top tier pro. Also if he's smart with investing like Nasser was he can be financially independent after competing.
He can also write a book when he's done. ;)
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Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?
Who the hell needs 150k for supps, food, health insurance and other expenses?
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in the end
we're all fat and dumb
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and yes, Mindspin, to answer your question, you are anti-bodybuilding
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Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?
dont forget what he pays oscar arden to babysit him 24 hours a day,because he is a 300lb emotional child, i think they function close to a "team" dynamic where oscar probably gets a good portions of his money
why else would he be spending 24hours a day wiht him for months at a time, traveling with him, ect
so what ever kai makes, you can proably factor a third of it goes to oscar, very likely up to almost 50%
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He can also write a book when he's done. ;)
:)
Jokes aside though he's not writing the book to try to make a profit.
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There is lots of money...even for top professionals.
Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue
true but outa how many pros, only a small handfull make over 100k a year its a coin toss to make bb your main income.unless you have rich parents who will support you. very risky to throw away youre life in a gym to maybe make it with nothing to fall back on thats why alot of these up and commers do the shit that they do...
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but Kai, for the moment, is one of the top tier of guys. the real question is what do the middle of the pack guys make?
It varries greatly, I know guys who make 50K on a supp contract...others who make next to nothing. No one says you have to rely soley on BB to make a living....WORKING a job is always a good idea.
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Who the hell needs 150k for supps, food, health insurance and other expenses?
clearly you don't know what these guys are spending on gear...
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For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....
I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.
So, of the several thousand aspiring bodybuilders out there who hope to one day turn pro, or who are pro and hope to one day win a show, how many do you think are making $80,000/yr from bodybuilding? What percentage?
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good thread. hey chick...put the numbers up like food, gear, and other expenses so we get a good idea. step up. anyway...did you work a job like ronnie or have a schmoe like oscar going thru the amateur? an insider once said you had a personal suga daddy (no homo)?
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clearly you don't know what these guys are spending on gear...
LOL...clearly, you dont either
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So, of the several thousand aspiring bodybuilders out there who hope to one day turn pro, or who are pro and hope to one day win a show, how many do you think are making $80,000/yr from bodybuilding? What percentage?
see my above post
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So, of the several thousand aspiring bodybuilders out there who hope to one day turn pro, or who are pro and hope to one day win a show, how many do you think are making $80,000/yr from bodybuilding? What percentage?
Who cares? (other than you)
How much do you think the thousands of aspiring football players hoping to make the NFL one day are making?
They WORK, like everyone else, until opportunity presents itself....or not.
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gear's only the finishing touch so I don't think they spend that much money on it.
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good thread. hey chick...put the numbers up like food, gear, and other expenses so we get a good idea. step up. anyway...did you work a job like ronnie or have a schmoe like oscar going thru the amateur? an insider once said you had a personal suga daddy (no homo)?
Insider? LOL...please.
I worked....owned my own gym for 9 years, turned pro, signed a contract, moved to LA....
food is a genuine big expense, gear wasnt too bad...maybe 10K/ show...that said, I wasnt taking GH either...
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Insider? LOL...please.
I worked....owned my own gym for 9 years, turned pro, signed a contract, moved to LA....
food is a genuine big expense, gear wasnt too bad...maybe 10K/ show...that said, I wasnt taking GH either...
QFT, chick slaying the haters while living large and is always the one in charge.
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QFT, chick slaying the haters while living large and is always the one in charge.
what hater chimp? knoxsville tried to out chick with a suga daddy story and made comments on shawn n his side johnson's baby power job? thanks chick for getting it straight.
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what hater chimp? knoxsville tried to out chick with a suga daddy story and made comments on shawn? thanks chick for getting it straight.
Thats the beauty my friend, cant be "outed" when you have nothing to hide...took me 13 years to turn pro...If I had a sugardaddy, he wasnt doing too good of a job, I guess...
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LOL...clearly, you dont either
I know for a fact the mass dosages that these guys are using yearound. I know some guys are trading sexual favors for their stuff and others get free shit, but by and large, there are thousands of $$$ being spent on GH, AAS, etc.
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Who cares? (other than you)
How much do you think the thousands of aspiring football players hoping to make the NFL one day are making?
They WORK, like everyone else, until opportunity presents itself....or not.
Okay, you disagree with my point that bodybuilders make very little money. What percentage of pros make $60,000/yr from bodybuilding alone?
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I know for a fact the mass dosages that these guys are using yearound. I know some guys are trading sexual favors for their stuff and others get free shit, but by and large, there are thousands of $$$ being spent on GH, AAS, etc.
By and large, I know guys who take a shitload of stuff too....and some others who take less than anyone would guess.
Whats your point?
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By and large, I know guys who take a shitload of stuff too....and some others who take less than anyone would guess.
Whats your point?
Agreed. Some use very little and get amazing results. But, back to my point. Bodybuilders make crappy money. Right?
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Okay, you disagree with my point that bodybuilders make very little money. What percentage of pros make $60,000/yr from bodybuilding alone?
It works in tiers, like any other SPORT...top5% make the most (300K/ plus), scales down from there...
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clear the air here... what is the estimated amount of $ spent on super supps per year, by the top 10 finishers at the O?
Bob and Mindspin, please share your estimates.
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Agreed. Some use very little and get amazing results. But, back to my point. Bodybuilders make crappy money. Right?
Next to you, Bill Gates makes crappy money
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clear the air here... what is the estimated amount of $ spent on super supps per year, by the top 10 finishers at the O?
Bob and Mindspin, please share your estimates.
20-25K
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'20-25K'
not a huge amount.
very honest -thanks!
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clearly you don't know what these guys are spending on gear...
so you're saying, every pro spends that amount of money?
impossible.
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Does Mindspin sell steroids ?
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If I had a sugardaddy, I wasnt doing too good of a job, I guess...
fixed.
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what hater chimp? knoxsville tried to out chick with a suga daddy story and made comments on shawn n his side johnson's baby power job? thanks chick for getting it straight.
Not so fast. My buddy from Venice, CA told me some things about Chick that would indicate that the suga daddy story does have merit.
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Not so fast. My buddy from Venice, CA told me some things about Chick that would indicate that the suga daddy story does have merit.
LOL...good luck with that
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I have a feeling Kai Greene would bodybuild for free seeing as he lived in the slums while still an IFBB Pro for a relatively long time.
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The Problem with bodybuilding is that its merit based and not salary AND Merit based. This leads into a larger problem- where would the revenue come from to pay the salaries seeing as these guys only compete just a few times a year, some even just once.
I think there should be an IFBB Pro Show every single month and the competitors should be awarded each show on a points system. Once the points are tallied up from the top 20 of all contests or whatever, determines the Olympia Lineup.
This puts a strategy element in to it as a competitor may just gun for 3rd or forth place all year in relatively good shape and then all out for the Olympia. Or one may sit out a few competitions and then hit a few shows in their best shape winning firsts.
At least there would be a competitive element to it all and give the fans something to follow.
Also, I would try to get sponsorship from Fast Food companies, Food Products such as Nabisco Oreos, Perdue Chicken,etc...As you can eat these foods and be in great shape. Tool companies, whatever...Problem is, nobody is out there lobbying for the IFBB or for the Competitors. Nobody gives a shit because they all lack any kind of vision and they want to keep it within their stupid "fitness" industry.
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Can't comment too much because I really don't know, but I'm interested how Chris Cormier made a living out of bbing knowing his outlandish lifestyle?? ;D
But on topic, I know Stan McQuay makes a lot mostly outside of bbing and he is living a comfortable life!
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I think there should be an IFBB Pro Show every single month and the competitors should be awarded each show on a points system. Once the points are tallied up from the top 20 of all contests or whatever, determines the Olympia Lineup.
They can't peak every month. That would be impossible.
Yes i know you have your amazing way of eating to peak but you don't hold near the muscle these guys do and do not realise it is totally different.
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Mindspin seems to have lots of free times on hands these? ;)
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'20-25K'
not a huge amount.
very honest -thanks!
even disregarding the fact that the above estimated annual "supps" expenses are probably being lowballed by Chick,
20-25K for drugs seems to me to be a rather hefty sum for a fringe pursuit with so little upside?
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They can't peak every month. That would be impossible.
Yes i know you have your amazing way of eating to peak but you don't hold near the muscle these guys do and do not realise it is totally different.
Thats the point. Thats where the strategy and the challenge comes in.
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chick,,,why do you respond to these clowns such as mindspin,,,,
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Not so fast. My buddy from Venice, CA told me some things about Chick that would indicate that the suga daddy story does have merit.
::) I started training in Venice a few weeks before Bob left for FL (sorry I didn't get a chance to say hello Bob). In my time out here, I've seen or heard nothing to believe that Chick engaged in that shit. It's not all that hard to spot the ones that do...
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Okay, you disagree with my point that bodybuilders make very little money. What percentage of pros make $60,000/yr from bodybuilding alone?
Who cares what they make from bodybuilding? They should work a real job like everyone else. Coleman continued to work as a cop for years after he won his first O. Cutler still has his real estate business as far as I know. The money you make from bodybuilding should just be an added bonus - not your main source of income.
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Who cares what they make from bodybuilding? They should work a real job like everyone else. Coleman continued to work as a cop for years after he won his first O. Cutler still has his real estate business as far as I know. The money you make from bodybuilding should just be an added bonus - not your main source of income.
I agree. What would be so hard about working at least a part time job while being a pro? I work a full time corporate job and still have time to run a plant nursery on my personal time ???. Lazy bastards ::)
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What fight is your avatar from? That guy looks like he almost got killed.
WEC 47: Bowles vs. Cruz. That's a sick front guillotine being perfectly executed by Scot Jorgensen. Ended the fight in 31seconds of round 1.
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It works in tiers, like any other SPORT...top5% make the most (300K/ plus), scales down from there...
So a handful of guys make $300k and the rest are barely scraping by. I believe that proves one of my premises. There is no fame & monetary fortune in bbing as the magazines would lead you to believe...
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Bob seems to be telling a decent amount of truth here, so props for that.
I remember King claiming he spent roughly 20-30k per show on Gear, but keep in mind the largest portion of that was on the expensive GH he was using in insane dosages. You can easily spend 1-2k a month on GH if you are using high quality stuff in high amounts or if you buy from Palumbo, err i mean if you buy overpriced crap from a shady dealer. If Bob never used GH, which is possible, he might be giving an accurate number here.
Good thread here, i know local guys who spend 20k a year on gear.
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Bob seems to be telling a decent amount of truth here, so props for that.
I remember King claiming he spent roughly 20-30k per show on Gear, but keep in mind the largest portion of that was on the expensive GH he was using in insane dosages. You can easily spend 1-2k a month on GH if you are using high quality stuff in high amounts or if you buy from Palumbo, err i mean if you buy overpriced crap from a shady dealer. If Bob never used GH, which is possible, he might be giving an accurate number here.
Good thread here, i know local guys who spend 20k a year on gear.
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They would be better off staying Natural, competing in Natural shows (since drugs are only 2 percent of it. Right Bob?) investing the yearly 20 grand in the Stock Market or using that money to make more. I guess bodybuilders aren`t the sharpest knives in the cutlery drawers.
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So a handful of guys make $300k and the rest are barely scraping by. I believe that proves one of my premises. There is no fame & monetary fortune in bbing as the magazines would lead you to believe...
Actually, it completetly proves you wrong...but believe what you want, it seems to make you sleep at night
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just farted
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Actually, it completetly proves you wrong...but believe what you want, it seems to make you sleep at night
You said that on average pros are spending $25-$30k/yr on gear, yet most are barely making that much in income. Seems pretty sad to me. In fact, it kinda reminds me of crack addicts. Spending everything they have on drugs and when they can no longer afford the drugs, they turn to selling their bodies :-\
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You said that on average pros are spending $25-$30k/yr on gear, yet most are barely making that much in income. Seems pretty sad to me. In fact, it kinda reminds me of crack addicts. Spending everything they have on drugs and when they can no longer afford the drugs, they turn to selling their bodies :-\
ummmm it's called, living the dream. ::)
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You said that on average pros are spending $25-$30k/yr on gear, yet most are barely making that much in income. Seems pretty sad to me. In fact, it kinda reminds me of crack addicts. Spending everything they have on drugs and when they can no longer afford the drugs, they turn to selling their bodies :-\
Thats not what I said...
Whats funny is watching you backpeddle and change your tune now that you've been proven WRONG...why do you insist on trying to make a point when you clearly dont know what you're talking about?
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Thats not what I said...
Whats funny is watching you backpeddle and change your tune now that you've been proven WRONG...why do you insist on trying to make a point when you clearly dont know what you're talking about?
Backpedaling? Proven wrong? Okay. What exactly was I proven wrong about?
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Okay, educate me. Let's take Kai Greene as an example. What would you say he makes in a year factoring in contest winnings, sponsor money, appearance fees, gay4pay, etc.
You can start here...
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You said that on average pros are spending $25-$30k/yr on gear, yet most are barely making that much in income. Seems pretty sad to me. In fact, it kinda reminds me of crack addicts. Spending everything they have on drugs and when they can no longer afford the drugs, they turn to selling their bodies :-\
and here
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Chick, serious question... how much do you think Kai had to pay for that grapefruit?
LOL
-A DUB
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A lot of you have PMd me asking this question, so I will answer it here. No, I am not anti bodybuilding as I define it. However, I am disgusted at what the "sport" is.
Some would argue that bodybuilding is a great "sport" because it's healthy, it makes you look better and if you're successful at it, it can provide fame & money. However, the truth is that it's really not a sport, it is very unhealthy, it forces you to break the law, to the vast majority of the population you look disgusting, and it brings you fame only to Schmoes. Of course, there is no money, even for the top professionals.
That said, I do enjoy "building my body". I train with weights and eat a certain way so that I can have an athletic body that allows me to be strong, flexible, explosive and have strong muscle endurance.
So, there it is.
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You can start here...
I said there is no money in bodybuilding. You admitted that only a handful of bodybuilders make okay money and the rest are spending more on drugs than they are earning. How am I wrong?
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So are you suggesting that the current Arnold Classic winner maybe getting protien from say the source still ?? Despite winning a hummer with 4 miles to the gallon and some cash ??? hahahahaha I forgot he got a trophy too..... BB are just cattle for the homos
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I said there is no money in bodybuilding. You admitted that only a handful of bodybuilders make okay money and the rest are spending more on drugs than they are earning. How am I wrong?
are you retarded?
comprehend for Godssake...and try and post what *I* write, not what YOU interperet
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are you retarded?
comprehend for Godssake...and try and post what *I* write, not what YOU interperet
the guy is a clown chick,,,he is gonna back peddle you back to the future if he could,,,and say joe weider only 5 dolalrs for his publication as an example of making no money,,,
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I think Chick has proven Mindspin wrong...
I also think the top guys make a good living for the years they are active for sure, and probably pretty well with appearances and endorsments after. A guy like Lee Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, although retired, still make big bucks i am sure... Yes these are past Mr. O's... but even Shawn Ray, Levrone, guys who never won, but were at the top of their day are probably still doing very well... Chick has never been a top 3 pro bodybuilder, but he has made a great living for himself keeping busy with MCing, apperances, being a rep for companies..
I'm not really sure what the point is?! It's obvious that not everyone can turn pro... Regardless of how many drugs they use (eg- Dave Palumbo)... and that it's probably pretty stupid to think you will make a living out of bodybuilding if you don't have a pro physique, or great genetics... but i see nothing wrong in people chasing after their "dream" of becoming a pro... Working a normal job like a personal trainer and spending all their money on juice and food...
-A DUB
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the guy is a clown chick,,,he is gonna back peddle you back to the future if he could,,,and say joe weider only 5 dolalrs for his publication as an example of making no money,,,
Got that right...
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Overall bodybuilding is shady and the money isn't that good. You don't really have to be too much of an insider to see this.
Comparing it to other sports, the mid level and low level people make much much much less money. In bodybuilding it's only the high level people making decent money.
Of course these guys prostitute themselves. What's worse? Selling your ass to some dude for 15 minutes or slaving away somewhere for 40 hours a week?
When I walk into a fast food chain, retail store, restaurant or some other wage job, I see the workers as whores. I lived as a corporate whore for years myself. No longer....
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LOL...clearly, you dont either
I hate to agree with Chick, but he is correct here. Pros don't spend nearly as much on gear as a lot of you would like to think. Their number one expense has to be food. GH is probably #2 for the Pros that do take it on the upper end of the scale, but I doubt that many are in a position to be taking more then 4-7 I.U.s a day. Since most pros are taking Insulin now, gear is probably more cost effective, as you don't need to take as much of it....
They don't wind up looking nearly as good, but that is another story all together.
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Chick : 10k per show...ok...how about the restof the year as most of them rarely go off
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Who cares what they make from bodybuilding? They should work a real job like everyone else. Coleman continued to work as a cop for years after he won his first O. Cutler still has his real estate business as far as I know. The money you make from bodybuilding should just be an added bonus - not your main source of income.
I agree 100%, bodybuilding went to shit when all these guys started thinking they were celebrities and stopped having regular jobs, to chase the 'dream'
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Chick : 10k per show...ok...how about the restof the year as most of them rarely go off
Another misconception...I'm sure there are fools that dont, but for the most part, they pro's are much more educated than you believe when it comes to the "science" of BB...as I've said many times, the ones with better genetic response are the ones who outlast and exceed...the ones who need truckloads of drugs to win a novice show, dont make it too far
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Another misconception...I'm sure there are fools that dont, but for the most part, they pro's are much more educated than you believe when it comes to the "science" of BB...as I've said many times, the ones with better genetic response are the ones who outlast and exceed...the ones who need truckloads of drugs to win a novice show, dont make it too far
Whats your fave drug , on and off season ?
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Whats your fave drug , on and off season ?
Off season...none
I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...
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Off season...none
I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...
So does that mean that you have been clean since your last show?
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So does that mean that you have been clean since your last show?
:D
cannot fucking back outta dis one ;D
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Of course these guys prostitute themselves. What's worse? Selling your ass to some dude for 15 minutes or slaving away somewhere for 40 hours a week?
When I walk into a fast food chain, retail store, restaurant or some other wage job, I see the workers as whores. I lived as a corporate whore for years myself. No longer....
maybe having a better education and being smarter would have helped not to be a "low wage slave" ? retard.
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Off season...none
I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...
i like that statement.
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Chick already admitted he uses hrt, whats the big deal, big man gotta stay fresh, love me some chic.
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He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do. If that's true, why is he still using ???
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He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do. If that's true, why is he still using ???
he gets paid from the bodybuilding scene..My guess is he still has to use to look the part..However, he's probably just cruising on a gram a test a week.
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He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do. If that's true, why is he still using ???
Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key.
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Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key.
there are HRT doses and then there are HRT doses
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Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key.
So you don't like using gear, yet you still use it...I don't get it. Even if it's in low dosages, why do you use it if you're not competing?
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So you don't like using gear, yet you still use it...I don't get it. Even if it's in low dosages, why do you use it if you're not competing?
Why do you think? Chic has defined his entire life around his body. Without it he ceases to exist. And he's also terrified of losing everything else in his life becasuse he aquired his life (including his relationships) thru the use of drugs. So, he stays on...
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Mindspin- are you really having such a hard time grasping this concept? Or are you gay for Bob all of a sudden and want to spend your days harassing him? lol
Any fool can see the BIG difference between using an HRT dose of testosterone vs taking a competition cycle...
I see it as no different to the fact that I HATE being piss drunk and how i feel after I had been drunk... but i enjoy a glass of wine every now and then.
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Why do you think? Chic has defined his entire life around his body. Without it he ceases to exist. And he's also terrified of losing everything else in his life becasuse he aquired his life (including his relationships) thru the use of drugs. So, he stays on...
I think to a certain degree this is true... Chick wouldn't want to shrink down to Tom Prince size (I'm not saying that he ever WOULD... but certainly no one who has made a life of being the huge bodybuilder wants to walk around looking like a 140lbs pussy!) But I seriously think Chick is probably on HRT to keep his test levels high/normal... Given his age, he probably is experiencing some Andropause, and certainly years of steroids could have potentially shut off his own natural production...so taking 200-400mg every week or 2 weeks, would be enough to get him back to a "normal" level for someone in their 20's, 30's...40's.
And again, I see this being VERY different from taking 5,000mg of combined steroids, crazy dieting and everything else associated with COMPETITIVE bodybuilding.
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there are HRT doses and then there are HRT doses
lol, right, a typical HRT dose is like 100mgs per week,....... 200mgs if your doctor is a mensch........
bob still walks around at a reasonably lean 260-270
you cant bet your asshole he is on a much more generous dose then that, and more then one compound.
im not calling chick a degenerate or anything, but you can TRUST me, he is downplaying the crucial role steroids played, and continue to play, in his life
i understand he has to be PC cause he has a career in the industry now, so he just cannot flaunt drug abuse
but PLEASE, do not buy in to hsi "steroids are just a finishing touch" argument,
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A lot of you have PMd me asking this question, so I will answer it here. No, I am not anti bodybuilding as I define it. However, I am disgusted at what the "sport" is.
Some would argue that bodybuilding is a great "sport" because it's healthy, it makes you look better and if you're successful at it, it can provide fame & money. However, the truth is that it's really not a sport, it is very unhealthy, it forces you to break the law, to the vast majority of the population you look disgusting, and it brings you fame only to Schmoes. Of course, there is no money, even for the top professionals.
That said, I do enjoy "building my body". I train with weights and eat a certain way so that I can have an athletic body that allows me to be strong, flexible, explosive and have strong muscle endurance.
So, there it is.
You weren't natural I take it? ???
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You are correct in that most HRT doses are 200mg per week every 2 weeks, this is for more people... I dont think either one of us can comment on what Bob's doctor gives him, or what his test levels are at... But it's not uncommon for someone to be on 400mg every 2 weeks, or 200mg weekly to get them to an appropriate level...
I don't think Bob is super lean now or 270lbs still, at least the last pics I saw of him...
I also don't think that Bob is still taking NEARLY what he used to take... Regardless of if you believe he was taking MASSIVE doses or not...
I also don't remember Bob saying that steroids were just a "finishing touch"... That was TOM PRINCE... LOL Bob has been pretty straight about it... Some guys use MASSIVE doses and look like shit, others are super gifted and dont need much... On average, I'm pretty sure 4-5,000mg per week of a combo of steroids is the norm... guys use lots more, some guys use much less...
I'd believe a guy like Ronnie, didn't need much, but probably used more as he moved up his career... I also think a guy like Levrone probably grows like a freak on 1,000mg...
Who knows... who cares...
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You are correct in that most HRT doses are 200mg per week every 2 weeks, this is for more people... I dont think either one of us can comment on what Bob's doctor gives him, or what his test levels are at... But it's not uncommon for someone to be on 400mg every 2 weeks, or 200mg weekly to get them to an appropriate level...
I don't think Bob is super lean now or 270lbs still, at least the last pics I saw of him...
I also don't think that Bob is still taking NEARLY what he used to take... Regardless of if you believe he was taking MASSIVE doses or not...
I also don't remember Bob saying that steroids were just a "finishing touch"... That was TOM PRINCE... LOL Bob has been pretty straight about it... Some guys use MASSIVE doses and look like shit, others are super gifted and dont need much... On average, I'm pretty sure 4-5,000mg per week of a combo of steroids is the norm... guys use lots more, some guys use much less...
I'd believe a guy like Ronnie, didn't need much, but probably used more as he moved up his career... I also think a guy like Levrone probably grows like a freak on 1,000mg...
Who knows... who cares...
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You are correct in that I never said "steroids are just the finishing touch"...also never said the infamous "Its only gay if you want it to be", that these fools keep misquoting...
That said...I find it quite funny how some anonymous fool here will "bet his ass", or "be sure that.." what I'm doing. Looks like he just lost his ass. I'm not a small guy, never have been. To think I would need anywhere even close to what I used when competing to maintain 260 lbs is laughable.
There is a big difference between 250 and in competition shape, and maintaining "good" shape at 265-270...
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You are correct in that I never said "steroids are just the finishing touch"...also never said the infamous "Its only gay if you want it to be", that these fools keep misquoting...
That said...I find it quite funny how some anonymous fool here will "bet his ass", or "be sure that.." what I'm doing. Looks like he just lost his ass. I'm not a small guy, never have been. To think I would need anywhere even close to what I used when competing to maintain 260 lbs is laughable.
There is a big difference between 250 and in competition shape, and maintaining "good" shape at 265-270...
no one said you would have to use exotic competition stacks to maintain the weight you currently do
once you have a base, and are already big, you could cruise are that bodyweight on relatively low doses, although your composition tends to change a little
but there is a pretty substantial difference between a therapeutic dose of test, and walking around at 5'9 265
you can call me an ass all you want, but you understand