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Shawn Ray´s BFTO
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Shawn Ray was a bitter whiny bitch at this point.
He admitted later in an interview that he shouldnt have been talking shit about Doz,, and that wasnt Dorians fault, and that he was just upset because he thought he "had Dorian on the ropes" (somebody needs to tell Shawn that when youre outmassed by 40+ lbs, you dont have to just be good, you have to be fucking flawless, which Shawn wasnt ((Narrow, extremely Narrow, some imbalances).
He basically said he was bitter and he should have been questioning the judging and not Dorian.
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Ray loked great on his own. Wacth the 94 posedown, actually Yates is going after Ray and you immediately see why Yates dominated Ray all these years.
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Koloseum Gym in the vid, miss that place
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I totally agree with Shawn Ray.
Dorian looked really bad at 94 Olympia!
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Ray loked great on his own. Wacth the 94 posedown, actually Yates is going after Ray and you immediately see why Yates dominated Ray all these years.
I beg to differ. Dorian was waterlogged with a torn biceps and a wider waist than he possessed the previous year. If there's one year Dorian should have lost the title, it's 1994.
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I totally agree with Shawn Ray.
Dorian looked really bad at 94 Olympia!
But not bad enough to get beaten by him. Dorian's conditioning was so damn near perfect that he could beat able-bodied competitors with torn muscles.
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I beg to differ. Dorian was waterlogged with a torn biceps and a wider waist than he possessed the previous year. If there's one year Dorian should have lost the title, it's 1994.
lol. Shawn Ray is nothing! Someone take a snapshot when both Dorian and Shawn stay together before the fucker says who's gonna win the whole thing. Shawn is nothing.
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Shawn was always trashing the champ. Before Dorian, it was Haney. Flex would run articles by Ray going on and on about how it was his time, and he was the new uncrowned champ. Then he'd come in 4th. I know it's self promotion, but it always felt like Shawn was having a self-affirmation- "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me!"
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Shawn is 100% right
How can the worlds greatest bber have one complete arm...
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I agree. Theres nothing wrong about what Shawn Ray said. Sometimes I think people give him more of a hard time than he deserves. He is well spoken and articulate on most subjects.
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he was a true great, but couldnt match yates in any year....
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Shawn is 100% right
How can the worlds greatest bber have one complete arm...
People hate on Shawn, because he is right, yet kept hims Weider contract---he wasn't "ghetto" about it, he was professional and conducted himself well, plus he had the "ladies man look". All this people hated on him---that he should be thankful...
Everything he said he was correct on, spot on. And just because he was outweighed by 40 pounds means nothing...if you are going to assess the physique do so bodypart for bodypart, the totality...
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People hate on Shawn, because he is right, yet kept hims Weider contract---he wasn't "ghetto" about it, he was professional and conducted himself well, plus he had the "ladies man look". All this people hated on him---that he should be thankful...
Everything he said he was correct on, spot on. And just because he was outweighed by 40 pounds means nothing...if you are going to assess the physique do so bodypart for bodypart, the totality...
If Dex can win the Mr Olympia, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone should of won too...
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If Dex can win the Mr Olympia, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone should of won too...
All of them would have won is this era of Lunchbox Jay...Michael Francoi included.
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If Dex can win the Mr Olympia, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone should of won too...
That doesn't really makes sense, because it ignores the context of the competition at the time. Flip it - Dex would never have beaten Dorian Yates.
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Looks better than 90% of getbiggers.
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That doesn't really makes sense, because it ignores the context of the competition at the time. Flip it - Dex would never have beaten Dorian Yates.
Jay Cutler was sligthly off in 08, Dorian had a torne biceps and bloated stomach in 94 like Shawn Ray said. And you know very well that wasnt the only time either. It makes perfectly sense, but off course not in all cases though... I still think they all deserved at least 1 Mr O each. :)
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Looks better than 90% of getbiggers.
Only 90%???
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Shawn Ray looked far better than Yates could ever hope to.
Shawn was the consumate bodybuilder and the judging sucked as Yates ruined the sport.
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Only 90%???
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Shawn Ray looked far better than Yates could ever hope to.
Shawn was the consumate bodybuilder and the judging sucked as Yates ruined the sport.
QFT
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Shawn is 100% right
How can the worlds greatest bber have one complete arm...
The same way this guy can win for 8 years with NO calves what so ever
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1994 was NO contest , Dorian was clearly off from 1993 but still leaps & bounds better than the competition.
Shawn Ray was NOT close to Dorian in any way shape or form in this contest , fact is he was trailing behind Kevin Levrone after prejudging and he only beat Kevin with a better posing routine in the evening show and the crowd was incensed with Shawn beating Kevin for second
This video has been posted before and it's typical Shawn trying to fluff himself up to something he's not but hey they always say you have to convince yourself that you're great before you can convince anyone else
Shawn talked shit it's what he did , before Dorian he talked shit about Haney , and after Yates he talked shit about Ronnie , mind you Shawn claimed Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 that he and Flex were better , and Ronnie should have won most improved but not the entire contest , typical Shawn talking shit and not based in reality
he did great for a little guy , he had a nice physique but he simply wasn't in Dorians , Lee or Ronnie's league.
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1994 was NO contest , Dorian was clearly off from 1993 but still leaps & bounds better than the competition.
Shawn Ray was NOT close to Dorian in any way shape or form in this contest , fact is he was trailing behind Kevin Levrone after prejudging and he only beat Kevin with a better posing routine in the evening show and the crowd was incensed with Shawn beating Kevin for second
This video has been posted before and it's typical Shawn trying to fluff himself up to something he's not but hey they always say you have to convince yourself that you're great before you can convince anyone else
Shawn talked shit it's what he did , before Dorian he talked shit about Haney , and after Yates he talked shit about Ronnie , mind you Shawn claimed Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 that he and Flex were better , and Ronnie should have won most improved but not the entire contest , typical Shawn talking shit and not based in reality
he did great for a little guy , he had a nice physique but he simply wasn't in Dorians , Lee or Ronnie's league.
Well, if Shawn wasnt so afraid of adding more mass, then maybe he would of won back in the day. But he refused to progress in that direction at the expense of his asthetics. He tried to beat them in his own game, and thats where he failed.
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LOL @ "I keep coming up short"
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Well, if Shawn wasnt so afraid of adding more mass, then maybe he would of won back in the day. But he refused to progress in that direction at the expense of his asthetics. He tried to beat them in his own game, and thats where he failed.
Exactly , he wanted the sport to bend towards his physique not how it works.
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1994 was NO contest , Dorian was clearly off from 1993 but still leaps & bounds better than the competition.
Shawn Ray was NOT close to Dorian in any way shape or form in this contest , fact is he was trailing behind Kevin Levrone after prejudging and he only beat Kevin with a better posing routine in the evening show and the crowd was incensed with Shawn beating Kevin for second
This video has been posted before and it's typical Shawn trying to fluff himself up to something he's not but hey they always say you have to convince yourself that you're great before you can convince anyone else
Shawn talked shit it's what he did , before Dorian he talked shit about Haney , and after Yates he talked shit about Ronnie , mind you Shawn claimed Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 that he and Flex were better , and Ronnie should have won most improved but not the entire contest , typical Shawn talking shit and not based in reality
he did great for a little guy , he had a nice physique but he simply wasn't in Dorians , Lee or Ronnie's league.
(http://www.whatgirl.net/BSPWomanCoveringEarsLaurent_Hamels.jpg)
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Well, if Shawn wasnt so afraid of adding more mass, then maybe he would of won back in the day. But he refused to progress in that direction at the expense of his asthetics. He tried to beat them in his own game, and thats where he failed.
Shawn could have easily been 235 on stage. He had to keep his quads in check, as he was bottom heavy in a sense. His quads grew, and he did talk about not wanting to come in heavier, but wanting to be balanced...it worked in a sense, but would have worked better had he been taller or had it been Flex.
He could still fit in a tailored suit without looking outrageous
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(http://www.whatgirl.net/BSPWomanCoveringEarsLaurent_Hamels.jpg)
truth hurts huh?
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Shawn could have easily been 235 on stage. He had to keep his quads in check, as he was bottom heavy in a sense. His quads grew, and he did talk about not wanting to come in heavier, but wanting to be balanced...it worked in a sense, but would have worked better had he been taller or had it been Flex.
He could still fit in a tailored suit without looking outrageous
He still wouldn't have won regardless of how much he weighed didn't have the back width , clavicle width or height
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Shawn talks just to talk. Maybe that talk is what sucked out the extra water and got him so ripped for the 1996 Mr. O.
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Shawn Ray >>>>>>>> Yates
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truth hurts huh?
The truth is fine,it`s the judging that would reward a Yates type physique over Rays that hurts.
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The truth is fine,it`s the judging that would reward a Yates type physique over Rays that hurts.
I totally get people saying Shawn's physique is the type of physique that should be what represents what the Mr Olympia title is , but I deal with what happened not what could have happened , what should have happened , what might have happened , etc
according to how contests are judged Dorian was the clear winner in 1994
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All bullshit aside, for as much as Shawn is/was an asshole to the fans of this sport and in general towards humanity (Probably directly related to his Napoleon complex), you have to admit that he was (A) very attractive by way of facial features, one of the few that can shave his head down to the skin and still have a great looking face and (B) physically blessed with excellent genetics for putting on quality muscle, albeit in the presence of anabolic steroids. Height is a different story, but you can't beat what hand you were dealt with..
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/7/875219.1136655950296.f_85.jpg)
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according to how contests are judged
That changed through the years
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That changed through the years
It has along with the physiques for better or for worse , but Shawn wasn't gonna beat Dorian according to how contests were judged in the 1990s
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I totally get people saying Shawn's physique is the type of physique that should be what represents what the Mr Olympia title is , but I deal with what happened not what could have happened , what should have happened , what might have happened , etc
according to how contests are judged Dorian was the clear winner in 1994
True enough,and fair enough.
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It has along with the physiques for better or for worse , but Shawn wasn't gonna beat Dorian according to how contests were judged in the 1990s
It changed with Dorian .
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It changed with Dorian .
Not true actually , people in Haney's day were bitching & complaining Bob Paris should be the Olympia ideal and his physique represented the epitome of bodybuilding , nothing new. If anything Haney started the trend.
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Not true actually , people in Haney's day were bitching & complaining Bob Paris should be the Olympia ideal and his physique represented the epitome of bodybuilding , nothing new. If anything Haney started the trend.
I disagree
Dorian Yates = first distended gut in Pro bodybuilding
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This is why Dorian won.
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This is why Shawn was better than Dorian .
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TQuqPnAs5uI/AAAAAAAAADU/lcxDj0TcUGQ/s1600/94.jpg)
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Shawn was lucky to place ahead of Levrone tbh in 94.
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Dorian was lucky to place ahead of Shawn in 94
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Bodybuilding is worse off now that Shawn retired. He was a very accomplished bodybuilder, one of the greatest of all time. Sadly as great as he looks standing alone, next to Dorian Ronnie Nasser etc he just gave up too much size. Shawn was also an asshole (he once would not hit a bicep shot when I was taking pics with him and had bought his vhs the final countdown AND paid 10 for an autographed picture, which I still have. From 1998.) and I think that hurt his placings. Nevertheless, he was a deserving champion, and should have won probably 2 sandows.
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Jay Cutler was sligthly off in 08, Dorian had a torne biceps and bloated stomach in 94 like Shawn Ray said. And you know very well that wasnt the only time either. It makes perfectly sense, but off course not in all cases though... I still think they all deserved at least 1 Mr O each. :)
Jay wasn't slightly off in 08 or 07. He was fucking horrible and lucky to have been top 5. I also thought Ronnie or Victor should have won in 06. Phil should have won in 10 and 09 was a toss up between Jay and Dexter.
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To all the posters that think Shawn was narrow or incomplete:
WAKE UP AND GET A FUCKING CLUE........
Every bodypart was complete......the man was dialed in for damn near every show......he posed with grace. Yates was a fantastic bodybuilder......with the freakiest traps and back EVER......but Dorian was far from complete......Shawn should have at least two Sandows.......maybe more......he was the complete package......you fellas that are hung up on what a guy weighs in at.....need to learn more about what bodybuilding is really about! IMHO
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I disagree
Dorian Yates = first distended gut in Pro bodybuilding
not true Momo had one in 1992 and maybe earlier
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Spell the mans name correctly! It´s Sean Ray nothing else ;)
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Shawn is 100% right
How can the worlds greatest bber have one complete arm...
X2.
Yates won it fair in 1992 and 93 then whoever came up in second was just BETTER than him.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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This pic says everything
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Shawn was the consumate bodybuilder
nuff said ;D
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I totally agree with Shawn Ray.
Dorian looked really bad at 94 Olympia!
X2. Shawn was a great example of what bodybuilding should be all about. Dorian was huge and dense, but without his outstanding back he wouldn't be shit. And shawn ne>er had a bloated gut. He was able to do a great >acuum pose.
Nowadays most guys need oil in their delts to make up for the lack of taper they ha>e due to their distended guts. But hey, that's what they call "progress"... ::)
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Well, if Shawn wasnt so afraid of adding more mass, then maybe he would of won back in the day. But he refused to progress in that direction at the expense of his asthetics. He tried to beat them in his own game, and thats where he failed.
Thank God he "failed"...
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Shawn is/was a bitter troll. Dorian, in addition to tapping Mrs. Sarcev, was also known to have been fellated by Mrs. Ray.
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Shawn is/was a bitter troll. Dorian, in addition to tapping Mrs. Sarcev, was also known to have been fellated by Mrs. Ray.
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Shawn didn't marry until like 2005-2006 or so...
And i think it was Nasser that apparently was with Milamar...
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lol. Shawn Ray is nothing! Someone take a snapshot when both Dorian and Shawn stay together before the fucker says who's gonna win the whole thing. Shawn is nothing.
wao shawn is nothing..that is hell of a statement.
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I totally agree with Shawn Ray.
Dorian looked really bad at 94 Olympia!
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Shawn makes a lot of good points. Id take his physique over Dorians any day.
However, Shawn refused to follow the "size trend", and thats why he never became Mr. Olympia.
If you cant beat them, join them... Simple as that.
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Shawn didn't marry until like 2005-2006 or so...
And i think it was Nasser that apparently was with Milamar...
Hahaha, visiting a friend in SLC this weekend, but I know I could expect a good laugh when I log-on to getbig for a couple of minutes. Shawn's wife actually blew him off the 1st time she met him, since she taught it was odd for him to approach her out of no where. Yates was somewhere in England getting another supremacist tattoo.
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The judges (schmoes) want freakish mass monsters. No way around it, their tastes shape how the pros look. :-\
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Shawn didn't marry until like 2005-2006 or so...
And i think it was Nasser that apparently was with Milamar...
Everyone was with Milamar
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Started ok but towards the end turned into a moaning little cunt
;D i agree.. shawn ray built a great physique and i like more smaller balanced shaped physiques but Dorian Yates was another turning point in Bodybuilding with training,mental attitude..hard core to the extreme. There is no question of the mans mental and physical hardness. still...Frank zane is my ideal shape.
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Shawn makes a lot of good points. Id take his physique over Dorians any day.
However, Shawn refused to follow the "size trend", and thats why he never became Mr. Olympia.
If you cant beat them, join them... Simple as that.
People constantly retype this nonsense ' Shawn refused to follow the size trend ', and it's not accurate , Shawn was a mass-monster just on a smaller scale , he just didn't have the height. Compare him to a guy of similar height like Lee Labrada who was give-or-take an inch shorter , Lee competed at 190lbs , Shaw was 205 and as high as 215lbs , that's as much as a 25lb weight difference !!!
Shawn was a mass monster but he was 5'7" if he was 5'11" he would have been 250
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Shawn was 1000% right with everything he said. Shawn should have at least won in '94. Only delusional people thought Yates was better that year.
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Shawn was 1000% right with everything he said. Shawn should have at least won in '94. Only delusional people thought Yates was better that year.
Hahahahahahahaha he was trailing behind Levrone after the prejudging and he thought he won ::)
Only morons who don't know how contests are judged think Shawn should have won , Shawn very lucky to beat Kevin this contest , never mind Dorian.
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Hahahahahahahaha he was trailing behind Levrone after the prejudging and he thought he won ::)
Only morons who don't know how contests are judged think Shawn should have won , Shawn very lucky to beat Kevin this contest , never mind Dorian.
Dorian looked like shit in '94. How can you argue that?
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Dorian looked like shit in '94. How can you argue that?
Dorian looked like shit compared to 93 and he wasn't competing against Dorian 93 just Kevin and Shawn and Shawn was in THIRD place behind Kevin after the prejudging and Shawn was lucky to beat him , never mind Yates
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I respect when the little guys just gracefully respect their role... outclassed by 40 or 50 pounds... just accept the fact you're genetically not the other guy.
Franco always seemed content with standing in arnold's shadow onstage. knew he's never beat him, but always won his slot. "Play your position" as Biggie said.
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NONE of the present top competitors can match their unique physiques.
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But Dorian was a gamechanger,
youre right because of him mass and condition surpasses everything else that why BBr like Branch can get 2nd at the Olympia and 1st at the Arnold
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Fantasy vs REALITY ;)
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Fantasy vs REALITY ;)
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If you could put them in the same light and background and compare them closely, you would see my point.
I saw both of them with my own eyes. Won't take back anything I said.
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Che doing a great job if filling in for Hulkster with the fantasy shots , Heath would be left for dead on stage compared to Yates
He would look as narrow as Shawn and would look 6 weeks out compared to Yates ;D
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Shawn was Right And look how the size game has ruined bodybuilding!
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Dorians virtual penis puffer here to defend the honor of the thong. ;D
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Shawn SHOULD have at least ONE MR. O
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Fantasy vs REALITY ;)
two diff poses. Shawn is in the midst of doing a pose, which brings the shoulders in---scrunched.
Dorian is Doing a pose which puts emphasis on width.
Shawn is not that narrow for someone who is 5'6, and 205.
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Shawn Ray was a bitter whiny bitch at this point.
He admitted later in an interview that he shouldnt have been talking shit about Doz,, and that wasnt Dorians fault, and that he was just upset because he thought he "had Dorian on the ropes" (somebody needs to tell Shawn that when youre outmassed by 40+ lbs, you dont have to just be good, you have to be fucking flawless, which Shawn wasnt ((Narrow, extremely Narrow, some imbalances).
He basically said he was bitter and he should have been questioning the judging and not Dorian.
shawn ray was as close to flawless as you can get......he was 210 pounds of near perfection!!
dorian was great.....no doubt.....but the torn bicep, the bloated stomach.......and the lack of aesthetics!!!! come on!! yates was a beast.....but he had a few flaws that were very obvious to see. imho
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You guys realize you're arguing with a guy who spent 20,000+ posts arguing about Dorian vs Ronnie? ;D
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I would be happy if they were each a mr. o
shawn r
lee l
flex w
kev l
bob paris
chris c
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two diff poses. Shawn is in the midst of doing a pose, which brings the shoulders in---scrunched.
Dorian is Dorian a pose which emphasis is put on width.
Shawn is not that narrow for someone who is 5'6, and 205.
spot on!
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Shawn SHOULD have at least ONE MR. O
i agree
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Shawn Ray looked far better than Yates could ever hope to.
Shawn was the consumate bodybuilder and the judging sucked as Yates ruined the sport.
this 100000000000000000000000 00X
DORIAN YATES FINISHED BODYBUILDING
THE BRITISH FAGGOTSSS SUCKING HIS DICK
CAN FUCK OFFFF
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this 100000000000000000000000 00X
DORIAN YATES FINISHED BODYBUILDING
THE BRITISH FAGGOTSSS SUCKING HIS DICK
CAN FUCK OFFFF
::) what a dick
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two diff poses. Shawn is in the midst of doing a pose, which brings the shoulders in---scrunched.
Dorian is Doing a pose which puts emphasis on width.
Shawn is not that narrow for someone who is 5'6, and 205.
Shawn was narrow , Lee wasn't and he's even shorter
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Shawn R. and Lee L. should each have the Mr. O.
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Shawn R. and Lee L. should each have the Mr. O.
Not according to how contests are judged.
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Shawn was narrow , Lee wasn't and he's even shorter
camera angle...it even makes Levrone look a tad wider than Labrada, of should I say, it makes Labrada almost as wide as Levrone...
Apparently, the camera is angled down to get a wide screen shot, distorting the physiques.
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Not according to how contests are judged.
STFU , there are no set criteria for the judging of bodybuilding .
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can some one just shop dorian out of this pic? what looks wrong with shawn? zero.
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camera angle...it even makes Levrone look a tad wider than Labrada, of should I say, it makes Labrada almost as wide as Levrone...
Apparently, the camera is angled down to get a wide screen shot, distorting the physiques.
The angle would effect all of them not just making Lee look wider , and if anything the effect would favor Lee even more if he was straight on just like Shawn & Kev
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STFU , there are no set criteria for the judging of bodybuilding .
Stop crying :'( because the look you prefer didn't win , yes there is a criteria and Shawn failed to meet it better than Dorian and was lucky to beat Kevin never mind Dorian
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can some one just shop dorian out of this pic? what looks wrong with shawn? zero.
So we're judging contests based on one pose now? not how it works. Shawn looks great there and admittedly this wasn't Dorian's strongest shot but he destroyed in all the others.
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there is a criteria
What is it ?
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What is it ?
Shawn doesn't beat Dorian according to this
When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.
The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.
Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.
Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.
Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.
6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.
Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.
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Shawn doesn't beat Dorian according to this
When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Thank you , Shawn should've won .
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ND I'm calling you an Asshole and Shawn Ray kicks Dorian's ass And you lost ::) ;D
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Shawn and Dorian really shouldn't have been compared. They were two mutants from different planets. Shawn was ending an era and Dorian was the turning point for a new one.
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Thank you , Shawn should've won .
According to you , not according to 12 individual judges ;)
Shawn fantastic physique but he just doesn't beat Dorian according to that , you have to separate your personal preference from what the criteria calls for.
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According to you , not according to 12 individual judges ;)
Shawn fantastic physique but he just doesn't beat Dorian according to that , you have to separate your personal preference from what the criteria calls for.
12 individuals judges ::)
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12 individuals judges ::)
Okay of we're gonna discount the criteria and the judges how should we decide who wins? popularity? like American Idol what looks better according to you?
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Okay of we're gonna discount the criteria and the judges how should we decide who wins? popularity? like American Idol what looks better according to you?
IFBB ADVISORY NOTICE 2005-001
Date: April 13, 2005
From: IFBB Professional Division
To: All IFBB Professional Members
Re: SYMMETRY & NATURAL AESTHETICS
Montreal, Canada, April 13, 2005: With a mandate from President Ben Weider, the Professional Committee and a team of expert advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development, such as size, shape, density, separation and definition, in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.
Certain objective criteria are involved in assessing symmetry and natural aesthetics in competitive bodybuilding. Of great significance are the qualities of balance, proportion and the overall “flow” of the physique, including classic attributes such as a dramatic “V-taper”; from broad shoulders and a wide back to a streamlined waist and a flat, muscular abdomen. In addition, there should be balance between upper and lower body development, and harmony between the left and right sides of the body. These characteristics have been the hallmark of a bodybuilder’s physique for decades, and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.
Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and, therefore, detract from the overall physique. Athletes and judges are advised that muscle size at the expense of symmetry and natural aesthetics will not be assessed favourably.
All inquiries regarding the IFBB Professional Division should be directed to:
Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh , PA 15230
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Bodybuilding arguements have destroyed this family.
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looks phenomenal
godlike physique
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Stop crying :'( because the look you prefer didn't win , yes there is a criteria and Shawn failed to meet it better than Dorian and was lucky to beat Kevin never mind Dorian
Whats the point of bodybuilding then? People always use the same excuse: "Shawn couldn't compete with the taller, heavier guys". What does height and weight have to do with it? Shawn simply looked better.
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i agree ray makes dorian look like smashed potatoes/anuses
dorian had some sick calves and back tho
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i agree ray makes dorian look like smashed potatoes/anuses
Are you saying ND would love Dorian smashing his anus repeatedly? ;D :-*
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Whats the point of bodybuilding then? People always use the same excuse: "Shawn couldn't compete with the taller, heavier guys". What does height and weight have to do with it? Shawn simply looked better.
This is a sport of the genetic elite . height plays a role. You ask me who would I prefer to look like Shawn or Dorian , Shawn 24/7 but that has nothing to do with it.
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Are you saying ND would love Dorian smashing his anus repeatedly? ;D :-*
Outed , what's on your mind? :-X
people can't separate what they prefer from what wins
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This is a sport of the genetic elite . height plays a role. You ask me who would I prefer to look like Shawn or Dorian , Shawn 24/7 but that has nothing to do with it.
So after 70,000+ posts, you just admitted you were wrong. Owned into oblivion.
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Exactly , he wanted the sport to bend towards his physique not how it works.
How do you explain Zane's victories?
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How do you explain Zane's victories?
Different era , biggest guys competing back then was 200/210lbs and Zane had an edge on conditioning as well as aesthetics and balance
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height plays a role.
It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .
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So after 70,000+ posts, you just admitted you were wrong. Owned into oblivion.
??? I would prefer to look like Steve Reeves by I'm under no delusion he would beat Dorian
back in 1993 ,after the Olympia I was bitching & moaning about how Flex was robbed and no way Dorian should have beat him , then I learned how contests were judged and just how far ahead Dorian was
What you prefer and what you think should win means fuck-all
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It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .
no but the taller you are the more size you can carry
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People constantly retype this nonsense ' Shawn refused to follow the size trend ', and it's not accurate , Shawn was a mass-monster just on a smaller scale , he just didn't have the height. Compare him to a guy of similar height like Lee Labrada who was give-or-take an inch shorter , Lee competed at 190lbs , Shaw was 205 and as high as 215lbs , that's as much as a 25lb weight difference !!!
Shawn was a mass monster but he was 5'7" if he was 5'11" he would have been 250
That's true. People mouth off nonsense all the time.
Shawn Ray was 'massive' for his frame. I respect the fact that he never went over the limits of his frame.
To me, that is the sign of a good bodybuilder, irrespective of the judges.
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no but the taller you are the more size you can carry
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It doesn't matter , how many successful bodybuilders over 6' do you know ? 90% of bodybuilders are very short .
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/results/callout35.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0d7y2H1C01qk65fgo1_500.jpg)
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It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .
If you say so ::) where are all these 5'0" Mr Olympia winners? last 6 out of 7 were all 5'9" and over with the exception of Dex
Height plays into structure , balance & proportion , some guys who are short like Lee Labrada have outstanding structures and proportions they look much taller ( alone ) than what they are , some guys look like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag
Muscle looks better on a taller frame
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It doesn't matter , how many successful bodybuilders over 6' do you know ? 90% of bodybuilders are very short .
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/results/callout35.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0d7y2H1C01qk65fgo1_500.jpg)
This is true however it seems to be between 5'8" and 5'11" is ideal for bodybuilding
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If you say so ::) where are all these 5'0" Mr Olympia winners? last 6 out of 7 were all 5'9" and over with the exception of Dex
Height plays into structure , balance & proportion , some guys who are short like Lee Labrada have outstanding structures and proportions they look much taller ( alone ) than what they are , some guys look like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag
Muscle looks better on a taller frame
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Where are all these 6'4'' Mr Olympia winners ?
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Where are all these 6'4'' Mr Olympia winners ?
Where are all these 5'0" ones? like I just said the ideal height seems to be between 5''8" and 5'11"
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Where are all these 5'0" ones? like I just said the ideal height seems to be between 5''8" and 5'11"
Shawn Ray is the most complete bodybuilder of all time. He was perfectly proportional.
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Shawn Ray is the most complete bodybuilder of all time. He was perfectly proportional.
Oh boy lol Labrada out classes him
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Different era , biggest guys competing back then was 200/210lbs and Zane had an edge on conditioning as well as aesthetics and balance
He had an edge on conditioning as well as aesthetics and balance...
Yes, that's right.
Unless the judging criteria gives a breakdown of the value of each component assessed, then as long as lip service is paid to aesthetics and balance, shock and awe size and conditioning will always win. So, from that 'realistic' perspective, it is obvious why Dorian should always beat Ray (and everyone else).
But you don't agree with it even though you understand it.
My advice would be to argue in favour of changing the judging process to get 'better' physiques to win, if you take my meaning.
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Shawn Ray is a beautiful athlete if you see him alone.
But wanting to be like him is something else.
Seriously, never ever would I want to be 5ft5 (because that's his real height), no matter what body!
That's why he always lost from Dorian and others. End of the line.
Who is asking anyone to be 5 foot anything?
It's Rays sense of presentation, balance and aesthetics that bodybuilders should be striving towards.
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Height plays into structure , balance & proportion
Oh brother ::)
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Height plays into structure , balance & proportion , some guys who are short like Lee Labrada have outstanding structures and proportions they look much taller ( alone ) than what they are...
They look bigger and taller because they have better proportions and balance. If the bigger guys had the same level of balance and proportion, Labrada and Ray would never even had a look in.
Muscle looks better on a taller frame
Only if it is better balanced.
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no but the taller you are the more size you can carry
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Yes and no about your frame and structure and height has little to do with that
Take flex and Cormier , around same height but flexs frame can't carry the mass like Cormier and def can't match Coleman who was also the same height
Same could be said about Heath, around the same height compared to jay but jays frame is bigger and wider so he can carry more mass
Heath is maxed out pretty much. Flex looked his best at 218/230 max , frame can't handle 250+
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Yes and no about your frame and structure and height has little to do with that
Take flex and Cormier , around same height but flexs frame can't carry the mass like Cormier and def can't match Coleman who was also the same height
Same could be said about Heath, around the same height compared to jay but jays frame is bigger and wider so he can carry more mass
Heath is maxed out pretty much. Flex looked his best at 218/230 max , frame can't handle 250+
how come coleman could carry so much?
he isnt very wide actually
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how come coleman could carry so much?
he isnt very wide actually
Wider than Heath.
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how come coleman could carry so much?
he isnt very wide actually
Look at the pics of him next to Cormier, flex, levrone. He's pretty wide.. Bone structure, frame is bigger than flex
And the pics of Coleman when he was in college
Heath naturally is a very small guy, heck a lot of these guys are but Heath is narrow and small to began with more so than others
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Flex looked his best at 218/230 max , frame can't handle 250+
It's the judges responsibility to ensure that physiques that have gone beyond what they can handle are not judged highly.
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two different worlds
shawn deserved to win in 1994
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Koloseum Gym in the vid, miss that place
^^
I miss the female co-owner :)
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Shawn was narrow , Lee wasn't and he's even shorter
LEVRONE WIPINT THE FLOOR IWITH EVERYBODY
THICK AS A VRICK
TALLER THAN THE MANLET OSHAW AND LABRADA THE homo
LEVRONE RAPING THEM, ALL LIKE NO TOMORROW
(http://muscletime.com/gallery-13021)
LOOK HOW NARROW IS LEE PRIEST
NARROWER THAN A 5 YEAR OLD GIRL
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SuYlTX2sm9I/AAAAAAAABGM/zsuHZ3dj-9o/s400/Mr+Olympia+1995+(MUSCLEBASE)+22.JPG)
NASSER AND KEVING WIPING THE FLOOR WITH DORINA THE BRITISH Wc WITH TORN TO SHIT ARMS
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So is it wider than Heath, or narrower than Priest? ;D
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Lee P. is a little bit wider than Phil H.
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Lee P. is a little bit wider than Phil H.
;D