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Title: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 12:26:36 PM
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Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 12:28:56 PM
Good wheels for 21.
Must have been on since 17 or so.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
Good wheels for 21.
Must have been on since 17 or so.

It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Fitness4Life on June 22, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
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That waist has come a long way to where it's at now.   Terrible
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 12:52:11 PM
MattC, I can tell you from experience (my own) that your observations regarding strength reflect my own.  At 23, and only 2 years of consistent training, I hit a 500 pound deadlift at a weight of around 180-185.  
I learned thereafter (after years of training) that the deadlift was my best exercise, and somewhat to my detriment in other areas.  What I mean is that the deadlift is so taxing on the CNS (your hands are the most innervated part of your body, IIRC), that your body does not recover enough for you to grow in other areas.  I could deadlift and chin with the strongest guys in the gym, but my pressing was terrible.
So, I refocused my energy on being a very balanced lifter, and lo and behold my believed injuries all but disappeared.
I hated the squat, or any variation thereof, because I was not strong in the squat.  But I made myself love the squat and spent an inordinate amount of time perfecting my form with the Buffalo Bar, straight bar, front squats, etc.  I use the trap bar to deadlift in the higher rep range from time to time, but it is no longer my bread and butter exercise.
I am a better lifter, and look better for it.
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: jaejonna on June 22, 2011, 12:54:59 PM
MattC and SilverSpoon must be monsters hahahahha ..

Fact : Matt C looks like shit
Fact: Who the f*ck is SilverSpoon ...

I rather look big than actually lift big... which I do...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 01:05:20 PM
I am hardly a monster.
6'1" and sitting at 205, and honestly about 18% bf, maybe a little less.
The heaviest I got up to, and also my strongest, was 225, but boy was I sloppy.  Felt strong as an ox, was squatting (doing a very similar program to Strossen's "Super Squats") and eating like a pig.  But, I looked gross.
I had a child a little over a year ago, and my training fell off, but it actually made me clean up my diet, as I wanted to start training again being leaner.  I was about 15%, but training makes me very hungry, and my job requires a lot of hours.  But at least my training is consistent.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 22, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.
Dude,start entering power meets..........damn good lifts!!

How much can you squat breaking paralell?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gym**rat on June 22, 2011, 01:12:11 PM
I am hardly a monster.
6'1" and sitting at 205, and honestly about 18% bf, maybe a little less.
The heaviest I got up to, and also my strongest, was 225, but boy was I sloppy.  Felt strong as an ox, was squatting (doing a very similar program to Strossen's "Super Squats") and eating like a pig.  But, I looked gross.
I had a child a little over a year ago, and my training fell off, but it actually made me clean up my diet, as I wanted to start training again being leaner.  I was about 15%, but training makes me very hungry, and my job requires a lot of hours.  But at least my training is consistent.


SilverSpoon, is your real name Ricky Schroder?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 01:14:59 PM
SilverSpoon, is your real name Ricky Schroder?

Some friends of mine used to tease me that I grew up like Ricky did on that show, and that became a nickname of mine.  I only had a pinball machine, not a full arcade like Ricky did.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: tom joad on June 22, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
solid natural foundation there before incorporating bodybuilding chemical compounds.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gym**rat on June 22, 2011, 01:17:44 PM
Some friends of mine used to tease me that I grew up like Ricky did on that show, and that became a nickname of mine.  I only had a pinball machine, not a full arcade like Ricky did.

I hope you beat the fuck out of everyone that did that. Then shove a silverspoon in their ass. The word would have gotten around not to go there with you.   ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
I hope you beat the fuck out of everyone that did that. Then shove a silverspoon in their ass. The word would have gotten around not to go there with you.   ;D

No need to.  Life beat them up. 
Take my 8th grade all city basketball team.  Two murderers, and one guy serving a 50 year sentence on a 3 strike rule (3 indictable convictions in 10 years = exetended sentence.  Extended sentence on 1st degree crime is 20 to life in NJ).
It was all said in good fun.  I did fight the biggest guy on that team, but he was real cool, and he is now a school teacher.  Fight was broken up before either of us harmed each other badly.  I hit him in the mouth and he missed me with two haymakers.  He was 6'5" in the 8th grade.  We became best friends as a result of that scuffle, all the way through high school.  We still get together for a beer and a cheesesteak now and then.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gym**rat on June 22, 2011, 01:26:45 PM
No need to.  Life beat them up. 
Take my 8th grade all city basketball team.  Two murderers, and one guy serving a 50 year sentence on a 3 strike rule (3 indictable convictions in 10 years = exetended sentence.  Extended sentence on 1st degree crime is 20 to life in NJ).
It was all said in good fun.  I did fight the biggest guy on that team, but he was real cool, and he is now a school teacher.  Fight was broken up before either of us harmed each other badly.  I hit him in the mouth and he missed me with two haymakers.  He was 6'5" in the 8th grade.  We became best friends as a result of that scuffle, all the way through high school.  We still get together for a beer and a cheesesteak now and then.

Isn't it amazing that years ago when you got into a fight with someone at school you would usually end up best friends. That doesn't happen now because the loser of the fight is normally shot to death now.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 22, 2011, 01:29:44 PM
sick genetics.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on June 22, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
The potential was always there. Aside from his chest in that particular pose, he looks pretty damn good. ESPECIALLY the quads ! Unreal development !
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: PhysiqueNatural on June 22, 2011, 01:41:24 PM
MattC, I can tell you from experience (my own) that your observations regarding strength reflect my own.  At 23, and only 2 years of consistent training, I hit a 500 pound deadlift at a weight of around 180-185.  
I learned thereafter (after years of training) that the deadlift was my best exercise, and somewhat to my detriment in other areas.  What I mean is that the deadlift is so taxing on the CNS (your hands are the most innervated part of your body, IIRC), that your body does not recover enough for you to grow in other areas.  I could deadlift and chin with the strongest guys in the gym, but my pressing was terrible.
So, I refocused my energy on being a very balanced lifter, and lo and behold my believed injuries all but disappeared.
I hated the squat, or any variation thereof, because I was not strong in the squat.  But I made myself love the squat and spent an inordinate amount of time perfecting my form with the Buffalo Bar, straight bar, front squats, etc.  I use the trap bar to deadlift in the higher rep range from time to time, but it is no longer my bread and butter exercise.
I am a better lifter, and look better for it.
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.
Good post...but sometimes you gotta go for low reps...to test your current strenght...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: PhysiqueNatural on June 22, 2011, 01:44:21 PM
Sick wheels...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 22, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Isn't it amazing that years ago when you got into a fight with someone at school you would usually end up best friends. That doesn't happen now because the loser of the fight is normally shot to death now.

That doesn't happen now because one of the kids gets jumped by 10 guys and gets stomped on.
Ain't no such thing as "kicking a fair one" any more.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Parker on June 22, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Isn't it amazing that years ago when you got into a fight with someone at school you would usually end up best friends. That doesn't happen now because the winner of the fight is normally shot to death now.
Fixed, because many times the loser goes and "pops the trunk", his pride has been hurt and be has been "disrespected"....

On a side note, women tend to scrap more than men do, these days.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Steve Namat on June 22, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
He was pretty good even back then.

Me when I turned 21.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on June 22, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
He was pretty good even back then.

Me when I turned 21.

nice pic of an academy award!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Swlabr on June 22, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
He was pretty good even back then.

Me when I turned 21.
Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips.
Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on June 22, 2011, 05:17:51 PM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

All things considered equal, muscle mass and strength have a correlation of 1.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: dr.chimps on June 22, 2011, 05:31:01 PM
it's pathological with you; you are loaded with steroids; no doubt your asshole took a turn for the decidedly supra-saltus when Axio went up shit creek... what with you having an Axio loyalty card that would make Dave Palumbo shit! ya dirty cunt:

(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/nrrptsz4/mattsmomtakesituptheass.jpg)

Oh and, shit for brains, let's see you deny this, because, and as we all know, you can quite easily show the world your forum database containing this post; we wont wait though, mongoloid!

Don't worry, here is where you can manifest your gimmick account "Primemucsle" aka "Matt's oily daddy" to cum protect you!

You've no doubt been wanking off about men - big oily men - your entire life!

Hell, as a grown man, I bet the public toilets of Canada can tell many a tale? Fly on the wall, old mans fingerprints on your balls!

You had better pray that the CIA never creates a vaseline, AIDS and mulatto dildo based technology similar to that observed in the movie "Minority Report".

You are a fucking sickening, hatemongering cunt!

LOL. Now, we're cooking with gasoline. Carry on.   ;D 
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Havenbull on June 22, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
owned...!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Maldoror on June 22, 2011, 06:32:17 PM
it's pathological with you; you are loaded with steroids; no doubt your asshole took a turn for the decidedly supra-saltus when Axio went up shit creek... what with you having an Axio loyalty card that would make Dave Palumbo shit! ya dirty cunt:

(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/nrrptsz4/mattsmomtakesituptheass.jpg)

Oh and, shit for brains, let's see you deny this, because, and as we all know, you can quite easily show the world your forum database containing this post; we wont wait though, mongoloid!

Don't worry, here is where you can manifest your gimmick account "Primemucsle" aka "Matt's oily daddy" to cum protect you!

You've no doubt been wanking off about men - big oily men - your entire life!

Hell, as a grown man, I bet the public toilets of Canada can tell many a tale? Fly on the wall, old mans fingerprints on your balls!

You had better pray that the CIA never creates a vaseline, AIDS and mulatto dildo based technology similar to that observed in the movie "Minority Report".



 :o
A merciless and savage owning.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 07:14:40 PM
MattC, I can tell you from experience (my own) that your observations regarding strength reflect my own.  At 23, and only 2 years of consistent training, I hit a 500 pound deadlift at a weight of around 180-185.  
I learned thereafter (after years of training) that the deadlift was my best exercise, and somewhat to my detriment in other areas.  What I mean is that the deadlift is so taxing on the CNS (your hands are the most innervated part of your body, IIRC), that your body does not recover enough for you to grow in other areas.  I could deadlift and chin with the strongest guys in the gym, but my pressing was terrible.
So, I refocused my energy on being a very balanced lifter, and lo and behold my believed injuries all but disappeared.
I hated the squat, or any variation thereof, because I was not strong in the squat.  But I made myself love the squat and spent an inordinate amount of time perfecting my form with the Buffalo Bar, straight bar, front squats, etc.  I use the trap bar to deadlift in the higher rep range from time to time, but it is no longer my bread and butter exercise.
I am a better lifter, and look better for it.
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.

Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

it's pathological with you; you are loaded with steroids; no doubt your asshole took a turn for the decidedly supra-saltus when Axio went up shit creek... what with you having an Axio loyalty card that would make Dave Palumbo shit! ya dirty cunt:

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: asbrus on June 22, 2011, 07:21:17 PM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

LAYNE HIT 700.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: clownbaby on June 22, 2011, 07:28:57 PM
mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
LAYNE HIT 700.

Exactly.  Amazing lift:





I think what it boils down to is that while gear is extremely important for building muscle tissue [bodybuilding], it is a lot less important for strength because gaining strength is a multifaceted endeavour based on more than just muscle mass, i.e., tendon and ligament strength, joint resilience, injury resistance, structure, and of course, muscle mass too.  But one does not necessarily have to be big to be strong.  I am quite small but I think my strength is not too bad.  Honestly, I know everyone on here claims they are so strong or that so many strong people train at their gyms but in person I rarely see people stronger than me at the gym at any given session.  In a year there are maybe 4-6 of us at my current gym who deadlift 405 or more.

If I hit a 525 deadlift at 165 I swear I will never doubt any of Layne's claims ever again.  Keep in mind that Layne was around 225 at the time he hit his 700 deadlift and he has longer arms than I do which is a definite advantage for the deadlift.  I have shorter arms and as a result, my bench is close to what Layne's is.  Since 335 went up pretty easily today I am pretty certain I could have hit 345 which I did once before and is my best ever.  To my knowledge, Layne has never pressed more than 370 as his long arms obviously do not help him in that lift.

Plus didn't TA hit a 600 pound deadlift drug-free?  Again, TA has very long arms which obviously helps him on that movement.  As I said, I am strongly reconsidering my position that gear is as important for strength as I once thought.  Strength is a lot more than just muscle mass.

mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift

I would agree with you on my form but I was happy to lock it out.  I thought I could get it in one continuous movement but I was wrong and I should have started hitching as soon as the weight stalled.  I was happy to lock it out though and I feel that in no time I will hit 500 with decent [if not the greatest] form.  I'm honestly quite happy and not really sure what helped me bust through some plateaus which I had for literally years.  My diet definitely didn't change but I feel very good and look forward to every workout.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: abijahmaniaco on June 22, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
looks better than i ever will sadly. :-\
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: kh300 on June 22, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

I cant say I've ever seen someone gain 15 pounds on bench and 20 pounds on a dead in a week or two in my life.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: abijahmaniaco on June 22, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
Matt, if you have any aspirations of building a better physique, ditch the ultra low rep stuff.  Anything under six reps, in my experience, is inviting injury, and doesn't do too much in the way of muscle growth.
both branch warren and dennis wolf suggest never going under eight reps.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Stavios on June 22, 2011, 07:41:52 PM
weird thread  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: asbrus on June 22, 2011, 07:54:13 PM
Exactly.  Amazing lift:





I think what it boils down to is that while gear is extremely important for building muscle tissue [bodybuilding], it is a lot less important for strength because gaining strength is a multifaceted endeavour based on more than just muscle mass, i.e., tendon and ligament strength, joint resilience, injury resistance, structure, and of course, muscle mass too.  But one does not necessarily have to be big to be strong.  I am quite small but I think my strength is not too bad.  Honestly, I know everyone on here claims they are so strong or that so many strong people train at their gyms but in person I rarely see people stronger than me at the gym at any given session.  In a year there are maybe 4-6 of us at my current gym who deadlift 405 or more.

If I hit a 525 deadlift at 165 I swear I will never doubt any of Layne's claims ever again.  Keep in mind that Layne was around 225 at the time he hit his 700 deadlift and he has longer arms than I do which is a definite advantage for the deadlift.  I have shorter arms and as a result, my bench is close to what Layne's is.  Since 335 went up pretty easily today I am pretty certain I could have hit 345 which I did once before and is my best ever.  To my knowledge, Layne has never pressed more than 370 as his long arms obviously do not help him in that lift.

Plus didn't TA hit a 600 pound deadlift drug-free?  Again, TA has very long arms which obviously helps him on that movement.  As I said, I am strongly reconsidering my position that gear is as important for strength as I once thought.  Strength is a lot more than just muscle mass.

I would agree with you on my form but I was happy to lock it out.  I thought I could get it in one continuous movement but I was wrong and I should have started hitching as soon as the weight stalled.  I was happy to lock it out though and I feel that in no time I will hit 500 with decent [if not the greatest] form.  I'm honestly quite happy and not really sure what helped me bust through some plateaus which I had for literally years.  My diet definitely didn't change but I feel very good and look forward to every workout.

BUT LAYNE IS 0N JUICE. Y0U CAN'T D0 700 DEADLIFT AS A NATURAL AT THAT B0DYWEIGHT. THIS MEANS IF HE GETS 0N THE DRUGS HIS DEADLIFT W0ULD AT LEAST G0 UP 300 LBS MAKING HIM THE STR0NGEST HUMAN THAT'S EVER LIVED 0N EARTH. IT'S THE REP RANGE TRAINING THAT MAKES 0NE L00K LESS LIKE A B0DYBUILDER EVEN 0N GEAR. 3-5 REPS W0N'T BUILD AS MUCH MASS AS IN THE 6-10 REP RANGE TAKEN T0 FAILURE IF B0TH ARE D0NE WITH HEAVY WEIGHTS.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 22, 2011, 07:57:14 PM
Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips.
Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
Fag
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
I cant say I've ever seen someone gain 15 pounds on bench and 20 pounds on a dead in a week or two in my life.

I feel that today I had 345 in me.  Today I went from 275 to 325 to 335.  At that point I decided that I would not go any higher but felt that if I gone from say 295 to 345 I most likely would have gotten it.  So it is really only a five pound gain looking at it that way.  As for my deadlift, I hit 480 last Wednesday in the form seen in the video and it's already been a week.  Maybe I'm being a bit unrealistic to claim I will hit 500 with the same form next week or the week after but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if I got it at some point in July.  But who knows, I might plateau again.  I'm obviously eager to hit the big 500.

BUT LAYNE IS 0N JUICE. Y0U CAN'T D0 700 DEADLIFT AS A NATURAL AT THAT B0DYWEIGHT. THIS MEANS IF HE GETS 0N THE DRUGS HIS DEADLIFT W0ULD AT LEAST G0 UP 300 LBS MAKING HIM THE STR0NGEST HUMAN THAT'S EVER LIVED 0N EARTH. IT'S THE REP RANGE TRAINING THAT MAKES 0NE L00K LESS LIKE A B0DYBUILDER EVEN 0N GEAR. 3-5 REPS W0N'T BUILD AS MUCH MASS AS IN THE 6-10 REP RANGE TAKEN T0 FAILURE IF B0TH ARE D0NE WITH HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Layne consumes gear?  ???
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: HTexan on June 22, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
Fag
being a competitive bber. Do you think your sponsors like you using that word?   ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 08:15:32 PM
being a competitive bber. Do you think your sponsors like you using that word?   ;D

I prefer the term BENDER.  It is the UK term for fag and is a lot more proper.  In Britain a fag is a cigarette, e.g., "Can I bum a fag?" means can I have a cigarette?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: asbrus on June 22, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
I feel that today I had 345 in me.  Today I went from 275 to 325 to 335.  At that point I decided that I would not go any higher but felt that if I gone from say 295 to 345 I most likely would have gotten it.  So it is really only a five pound gain looking at it that way.  As for my deadlift, I hit 480 last Wednesday in the form seen in the video and it's already been a week.  Maybe I'm being a bit unrealistic to claim I will hit 500 with the same form next week or the week after but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if I got it at some point in July.  But who knows, I might plateau again.  I'm obviously eager to hit the big 500.

Layne consumes gear?  ???

HE'S 220 LBS SINGLE DIGIT B0DY FAT IN THE 0FF SEAS0N. HE HAS A DEADLIFT 0F 700 LBS ALL AS A NATURAL? N0.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Maldoror on June 22, 2011, 08:19:00 PM
HE'S 220 LBS SINGLE DIGIT B0DY FAT IN THE 0FF SEAS0N. HE HAS A DEADLIFT 0F 700 LBS ALL AS A NATURAL? N0.

Shitty response to gear = "Natural" with these guys.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: HTexan on June 22, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
I prefer the term BENDER.  It is the UK term for fag and is a lot more proper.  In Britain a fag is a cigarette, e.g., "Can I bum a fag?" means can I have a cigarette?
i though it was tosserpot ? ???
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
i though it was tosserpot ? ???

You would have to ask Woten.  I learned by UK slang from him.  I think UK English sounds more proper.  Plus I feel as if I can get away with saying BENDER because most people don't really know what it means.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: TrueGrit on June 22, 2011, 08:44:20 PM
Matt, what's with all these cycles? I always had you pegged as a natty.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 08:59:10 PM
Matt, what's with all these cycles? I always had you pegged as a natty.

I'm on nothing.  I'm maybe 165 pounds.  If people truly believe I am on gear right now, I find that shocking.  Look at the picture.  No, that is not a bad response, that is just what I look like.

If I could consistently eat 2,000+ calories a day, I would like to go on a cycle.  I honestly do not see my appetite going up and feel that gear would just be a waste.  Believe me, I am quite interested in running a cycle but what would the point be if I don't/can't/won't eat?  I can assure everyone reading this that I would like to use gear but I'm telling you, it would be a monumental waste.  As the expression goes, eat like a bird, look like a bird.  Maybe on gear I would be a slightly stronger, slightly bigger bird, but still.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: TrueGrit on June 22, 2011, 09:03:06 PM
I'm on nothing.  I'm maybe 165 pounds.  If people truly believe I am on gear right now, I find that shocking.  Look at the picture.  No, that is not a bad response, that is just what I look like.

If I could consistently eat 2,000+ calories a day, I would like to go on a cycle.  I honestly do not see my appetite going up and feel that gear would just be a waste.  Believe me, I am quite interested in running a cycle but what would the point be if I don't/can't/won't eat?  I can assure everyone reading this that I would like to use gear but I'm telling you, it would be a monumental waste.  As the expression goes, eat like a bird, look like a bird.  Maybe on gear I would be a slightly stronger, slightly bigger bird, but still.

I didn't mean now. I meant the screen cap posted of you saying you've done 3 cycles. Wasn't judging or anything, mate. Genuinely.

Btw..I wouldn't worry so much about not being hungry a lot. It can seriously suck being greedy as fuck..
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: HTexan on June 22, 2011, 09:04:49 PM
You would have to ask Woten.  I learned by UK slang from him.  I think UK English sounds more proper.  Plus I feel as if I can get away with saying BENDER because most people don't really know what it means.
lol i learn uk slang from xbox live. ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on June 22, 2011, 09:07:16 PM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.

you may be stronger than some one but he can for example bench press more than you if he has shorter arms!!.. strenght is a combination of many things together.. also the way you execute the exercise is very important especially when you try to do one rep with the heaviest weight possible..
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
I didn't mean now. I meant the screen cap posted of you saying you've done 3 cycles. Wasn't judging or anything, mate. Genuinely.

Btw..I wouldn't worry so much about not being hungry a lot. It can seriously suck being greedy as fuck..

I'll let people use their imaginations, however, pretty much 5% of all young men consume gear.  So a few basic stacks 5-7 years ago would do what for me now?  I have a friend who did two cycles of M1T this year alone.  I would submit to any sort of test to prove I am completely gear free.

Trust me, I'm DYING to go on some gear.  But I have to deny any accusations that I am anywhere near using any sort of gear and I honestly don't know why anyone would think that.  In 2003 I remember a friend of mine told another friend I was consuming gear even though I wasn't.  From then on, he was giving me high fives and being a lot nicer to me.  Why?  Because he himself was a consumer of gear and was happy that I was part of the club so to speak.  I think that's what it's kind of about.  I think that's also the reason why some on here want to believe I am a bender.  It's a matter of wanting me to be part of the club.

you may be stronger than some one but he can for example bench press more than you if he has shorter arms!!.. strenght is a combination of many things together.. also the way you execute the exercise is very important especially when you try to do one rep with the heaviest weight possible..

Great post!!!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on June 22, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.

your front delts look like they belong to some one who is 50 pounds heavier than you ;D..
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2011, 09:32:30 PM
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.

matt,,

both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: dr.chimps on June 22, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
matt,,

both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

gh15 approved
a total idiot.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: chess315 on June 22, 2011, 09:39:24 PM
i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: cross-of-iron on June 22, 2011, 10:08:52 PM
i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways

He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
a total idiot.

Why the need to be mean to me?  Do you hate me because my deadlift form sucks?

your front delts look like they belong to some one who is 50 pounds heavier than you ;D..

Hey thanks Sherief!!  I think that is why my bench press is what it is.  Although I want big shoulders, I always wanted a big chest but came to realize that strengths and weaknesses are a matter of genetics and it's not like I was ever going to have a chest like Nasser's.  Honestly, if I could consume gear and have a chest like Nasser's I would obviously start tomorrow!  Just reading this thread has got me thinking about it.

matt,,

both myself and van b pretty much convinced you were on hormones,, it just too much delt development for no food intake and too much strength that go along with it ,, and some parts are hormonized like and some not ,,arms which are very good with every canadian are good with you ,, delts too ,, over all both myself and van b which know what we talk about think orals was yoru route nto needle ,, still nto hromonizer as you know it now day ,, but yes if i had to say it out loud you have used

gh15 approved

Great post!!

Truly, the best advice I could get right now is techniques on increasing my calories.  I keep harping on this, but there is no point in me consuming gear without first consuming more calories.  I hate to sound like a quitter, but I honestly can't realistically see myself eating more, especially not with two small children now.  I know that sounds like an excuse, but it's really how I feel about it.  I envision myself running a nice stack and a protein shake and a sandwich a day and ruining it.  What's the point?

i honestly think his build is more impressive then his strength a near 500lb deadlift is great but not a whole lot of people train with that as there main goal I have seen many people pull 500 at smaller sizes in ymca gyms but good lift anyways

Hey thanks chess315!!  I don't personally know of 25 guys in the city I'm in who deadlift 500.  I'm not saying they don't exist, but I have never seen them, they have never entered contests, and I have never heard about them.

I knew early on that with my appetite and family genetics that I would not be big, so I figured I may as well be strong.  I figured if I am actively involved in reviewing supplements or what have you that I should at least have some proof that I am training hard, and I am.  If that can't show in my size, it may as well show in my strength.  That's why I really want to hit a 500 deadlift, 350 bench, and 400 squat.  If I hit all of those targets at 165 I don't think anyone can bash me for my strength.

Scott Herman is the same height as me and has roughly the same frame.  His chest is obviously great, but is he on gear or is his physique just the result of a good diet and hard training?:



He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.


That was my second time doing rack pulls and I think once my CNS gets used to it I will be able to do that weight with better form, or do 600 from a lower pin.

As for 500, I am fairly confident I will get that within a month, also hitched.  Ever since Ontario Strongman changed the rules to allow hitching, most of the contests I have entered have allowed it as well.  But also regarding my CNS, I feel that I should be able to do a proper 500 some time in the not so distant future.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 10:41:15 PM
According to the Canadian Powerlifting Union, the Canadian record for suited deadlift in my weight class is 620:

http://www.powerlifting.ca/recsmen.php

Maybe it's a cultural thing, but as I said I hardly see anyone deadlifting over five plates, or even over three or four on any given day at the gym.  For those of you who train around such strong people I would say consider yourself lucky because I would love to train with guys that strong.  I'm sure it would keep me motivated to get stronger.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 22, 2011, 10:56:05 PM


Mr Canning, do you have private health insurance??
The reason I ask is that I feel you may be needing it in the near future (I hope your policy is all paid up)

That lift was fucking atrocious, jeez - you have been lifting for years,& still you look like a novice when executing that deadlift.
Not to mention that the range of motion was minimal, considering you had the bar, not on the floor, but on the power rack??
This thread is just beyond weird.

It is my conclusion Mr Canning, that you are of an extremely unstable mind.

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 11:03:49 PM


Mr Canning, do you have private health insurance??
The reason I ask is that I feel you may be needing it in the near future (I hope your policy is all paid up)

That lift was fucking atrocious, jeez - you have been lifting for years,& still you look like a novice when executing that deadlift.
Not to mention that the range of motion was minimal, considering you had the bar, not on the floor, but on the power rack??
This thread is just beyond weird.

It is my conclusion Mr Canning, that you are of an extremely unstable mind.

PT

Actually...yes I do have private health insurance.  Not that Canada's health care is horrible or anything but there is a lot that is not covered so I took out extra insurance.  I am performing the lift in a power rack but my feet are on a mat which the weight is on as well so it is a full deadlift.  I should point out that I've never had any sort of injury and I feel great.  Is it poetic justice that a lot of people who have bashed my form later got injuries?  ;D  Oddly, I have friends who don't even train who can barely walk without back problems.  ???

I could post some videos of me doing 400-450 with better form at a gym with mirrors - I think not having mirrors did throw me off.  I admit I rely on them a little when lifting, force of habit I guess.  Sorry, but I LOL'd when you determined by mental stability from my deadlift form or this thread in general.  ;D

Honestly, overall I'm happy with my lift, and really hoping for 500 from the floor pretty soon.  :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 22, 2011, 11:19:47 PM
This is where I hope to be, both form wise and weight wise, hopefully very soon:



Am I being realistic or is 20 pounds with improved form not likely?  It's just a gut feeling, but I truly feel that this will happen.  If so, I will keep everyone updated.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 23, 2011, 12:26:38 AM
Actually...yes I do have private health insurance.  

 Sorry, but I LOL'd when you determined by mental stability from my deadlift form or this thread in general.  ;D



Good fucking job really!!

Secondly, there you go apologising again, I flat out insult you & you say sorry  ::)
Your metal stability has been in question for some time now, & if you carry on with threads like this, full of vids & me, me, me.......
There is a serious danger of you becoming the 'Sevestatse'  of GeTBiG, I shit you not.
This I can assure you, is not an enviable position to be in.


PT


Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: asbrus on June 23, 2011, 12:35:10 AM
MATT I HAVE A G00D WAY 0F PUTTING 0N MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT. AFTER EVERY MEAL DRINK 0NE CUP 0F WH0LE MILK. DRINK 4 CUPS 0F MILK A DAY. THAT'S AN EXTRA 600 CAL0RIES THAT I THINK WILL INCREASE LEAN MUSCLE MASS WITH0UT MUCH FAT.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: dyslexic on June 23, 2011, 12:38:00 AM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.



The will, the drive, the motivation and the power are all driven by one thing: Your mind.

All other "assistance" is just that. "Assistance"

"What the mind can conceive...'



What if you wanted to become an accomplished guitarist? Painter?



It's all in your head and what you BELIEVE that you can do. Another saying that is quite common "Just do it"
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 23, 2011, 04:23:05 AM
Quote from: DELETED post
  awwwww Matt had to report the post to have it removed .. it's OK .. everyone knows what a liar and a shill you are



You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?


You are not natural .. you have "consumed" everything you can get your greasy little fingers on .. and lets not mention the snow you've enjoyed ;)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 23, 2011, 04:29:19 AM
mattc, you need somebody to teach you how to deadlift.  That video is an atrocious lift
Yes, it hurt my lower back just watching that first vid...I still love you though.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Meso_z on June 23, 2011, 04:31:11 AM
He was pretty good even back then.

Me when I turned 21.
(http://imgon.net/di-S3KQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Red Hook on June 23, 2011, 04:48:03 AM
He doesn't have a 500lb deadlift. He hitched 480 and that rack pull was a fucking joke.



X1000000000000000000000
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 09:43:36 AM
Good fucking job really!!

Secondly, there you go apologising again, I flat out insult you & you say sorry  ::)
Your metal stability has been in question for some time now, & if you carry on with threads like this, full of vids & me, me, me.......
There is a serious danger of you becoming the 'Sevestatse'  of GeTBiG, I shit you not.
This I can assure you, is not an enviable position to be in.


PT




Good points.  It was a mistake to talk about myself when it came to strength vs. muscle in this thread  This is a relatively new observation for me as I train with both juiced guys and naturals and it always surprises me how much closer the best juiced vs. natural guys are in terms of strength but not in terms of size.

I admit I was very excited at the prospect of hitting a 500 deadlift and felt the need to post.  I will be at the Olympia again this year and I would be glad to submit to any drug test if anyone really believes that or cares.  ::)  I fear with my calories that a cycle is just going to make me look like another John Romano - and he looks good for his age but I think he's most likely what someone looks like who runs gear and doesn't eat very much.  I immediately think "bad nutrition" when I see his physique.  I look the same year after year so it would be pretty sad if I was currently using.  I'd like to think the pictures would speak for themselves if I was on.



You are not natural .. you have "consumed" everything you can get your greasy little fingers on .. and lets not mention the snow you've enjoyed ;)

You would like to believe I am a consumer of gear, rec drugs, and also a bender.  It's a matter of being "part of the club" with you.  Yet I'm married with two kids but somehow a closet gay.  ::)  I honestly don't know what's so hard to believe about me being 160 with the 480 hitched deadlift seen in the video posted.  Some on here make it sound like any strength at all is unattainable without gear.

You're just mad because I had to stop the direction my site was going in due to an unrelated lawsuit.  I already invited you back to the board and you refused.  Now you prefer instead to bash me for god knows what reason.  Just go register the domain name BodybuildingVibe.com and put up a free Simple Machines forum.  Problem solved.  Plus BodybuildingVibe is a cool name.

I can honestly say that as odd as I am, you are coming across as obsessed with me.  If you truly believe I am running something right now, I take this as a compliment.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 23, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
Good points.  It was a mistake to talk about making a kai Green thread all about my 'jaw breaking yawn' inspiring fantasy,  when it came to strength vs. muscle in this thread 

I admit I was very excited at the prospect of hitting a 500 deadlift and felt the need to post. 

I can honestly say that as odd as I am, you are coming across as obsessed with me I am just getting warmed up baby, stick around as we are heading for the twilight zone, meu irmao.



.  If you truly believe I am running something right now, I take this as a compliment - well, you are right, I just don't have the time to eat every 2.5 hrs with my family situation, & training with-out Test just makes me tired.

Here is a quick hint Mr Canning = next time you want to talk about your 'jaw breaking yawn' inspiring, fantasies.
Don't start a thread about 'Kai green' looking great at 21, just start a thread called can any-one advise me on my form.
Signed; newbie lifter (which should be the name of your next gimmick 'BTW')

Secondly
, don't have x2 kids & a fucking ball / chain, if you want to go to the gym all the time & eat every 2.5 hrs!! fuck-whit

Hope this helps

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 23, 2011, 11:43:13 AM
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Hey, Assbrush, have some o's you look like you could use them.

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That should keep you going for a few posts  ;)

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: chess315 on June 23, 2011, 11:47:13 AM
the deadlift is more popular in america thanx to are prison system lol many people dont realise but powerlifting owes a lot of its current status to leavenworth fedral prison it some what evloved and was taking around the country by released fedral prisoners in the 1950s 60s.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 23, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
Matt, those handles on your trap bar are way high.
When I pulled 500 (both on trap and standard Oly bar), it was without a belt, just in my basement with my training partner.
I had vid of the 500 trap bar, because my then girlfriend recorded it.  We broke up, so no video.  I looked "bloofy", which when you are natural = fat.
I also really liked doing trap bar deads for a 5x5, 3x3 or a 5x3 off of a 3 inch platform I made so I could use that to help my squat.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 11:54:04 AM
Matt, those handles on your trap bar are way high.
When I pulled 500 (both on trap and standard Oly bar), it was without a belt, just in my basement with my training partner.
I had vid of the 500 trap bar, because my then girlfriend recorded it.  We broke up, so no video.  I looked "bloofy", which when you are natural = fat.
I also really liked doing trap bar deads for a 5x5, 3x3 or a 5x3 off of a 3 inch platform I made so I could use that to help my squat.

Thank you SilverSpoon, I will give that a shot.  The trap bar deadlift handles can be rotated for a lower start position which I will try next time.  After doing both chest and back yesterday I feel really sore today but I look forward to next week's workout.  If I do successfully bench 345 I will post a video.  I will also give the trap bar lower handles a try some time soon.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SilverSpoon on June 23, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
Matt, I have found the trap bar to be very useful, as it can either be used to help with the squat, in which case you sit your hips nice and low and push through the floor; or it can be used for the deadlift, in which case (if you are built tall like me), you are going to have greater bend at the hips and initiate the lift with your back, not necessarily fully utilizing leg drive until you have move the bar up somewhat.
I think the trap bar is a better and safer move overall than the standard bar, because a mixed grip (if used all of the time) leads to uneven development.  For a while, when I was 22 or so, my left trap was visibly larger than my right, and I think it was due to me using a mixed grip, where my right hand was supinated.
Of course, you could always utilize the hook grip, which I hate.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on June 23, 2011, 12:04:09 PM
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene ??? How'd it turn into a " Matt C's awesome strength " thread ? Wtf ?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
Matt, I have found the trap bar to be very useful, as it can either be used to help with the squat, in which case you sit your hips nice and low and push through the floor; or it can be used for the deadlift, in which case (if you are built tall like me), you are going to have greater bend at the hips and initiate the lift with your back, not necessarily fully utilizing leg drive until you have move the bar up somewhat.
I think the trap bar is a better and safer move overall than the standard bar, because a mixed grip (if used all of the time) leads to uneven development.  For a while, when I was 22 or so, my left trap was visibly larger than my right, and I think it was due to me using a mixed grip, where my right hand was supinated.
Of course, you could always utilize the hook grip, which I hate.

I tried the hook grip once and I was surprised that it was not as bad for me as I predicted.  I'm open to trying new things right now.  My training is more or less consistent/regular at this point and I want to see how strong I can get knowing that my body weight is not going to change.  I'm not sure how realistic it is, but if I could be 180 with a 3X body weight deadlift, 2X body weight bench and a 2-3X body weight squat, I would be very happy with that.

It would ultimately mean I would have to eat much more though.

I thought this thread was about Kai Greene ??? How'd it turn into a " Matt C's awesome strength " thread ? Wtf ?

Hey thanks The_Iron_Disciple!!!  ;D

JK, but seriously I initially brought up the fact that I'm rethinking how strong a person can get without gear and the thread got derailed.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: mwbbuilder on June 23, 2011, 01:04:15 PM
Not only Matt C's strength. Steve Namat volunteered a picture of him at 21 too! :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on June 23, 2011, 01:14:27 PM
Not only Matt C's strength. Steve Namat volunteered a picture of him at 21 too! :)


Yeah, your right. Attention whores. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: PhysiqueNatural on June 23, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
Great post!!!

The way I saw it, since I obviously wasn't going to get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.  I decided this around Fall of 2009 and thus far it has worked fairly well.  I think by next week or the week after I will hit a 350 bench and 500 deadlift, with form around this for the deadlift:





This is the second time I did the trap bar deadlift:





When I hit 510 the first time trying it, I figured there is no way that it is that much easier than the conventional deadlift and it gave me the confidence to do 455 then 475 to see what I could do and I got it!  I had no idea going over 450 was just a mental barrier for me.  I was quite pleased.  :)

I attempted a high rack pull today with 680 but I was rather tired after my chest workout earlier in the day, but I suspect I will hit 725 on this soon enough:





I feel quite confident in hitting a 365 bench and 525 deadlift at some point in 2011.  I'm at least 50/50 on that right now.  I'm not sure what it is, but I feel very strong lately, which is odd because I'm eating less and less but just feel great basically.  Granted, I did use Gaspari's SIZEON in March after the Arnold but I don't think that's it.  I'm a quite realistic person in terms of my goals but obviously I would like to get as strong as I can.

If/when I hit a 500 deadlift I will strongly reconsider the thought that Layne Norton is natural.  If I can hit a 500 deadlift on crap nutrition and not being structurally advantaged for the deadlift as Layne is, couldn't he hit at least 600 or possibly more?  He has long arms and is built for the deadlift.  Also, he has claimed he is pretty consistent with his nutrition.  I certainly am not.  I do not drink a litre of water a day.  I eat next to nothing.

You truly believe that I'm consuming gear at 160-170 pounds while eating nothing in the way of calories?

First of all, I would jump on steroids IMMEDIATELY if [1] I could eat enough to actually make it worth it [fat lot of good extra protein synthesis is going to do when you don't eat much protein to begin with] and [2] one could actually KEEP the gains for a significant period of time.

I have no objection to steroids, to the contrary I've been kind of waiting for a good time to run a course of gear but have not proven to myself in the past year or two that I can eat worth anything.  With my appetite, it would be a waste of gear.

Give me the name of one pro or one bodybuilder at any level who actually has any size resembling his gear size six months, one year, three years, down the line!  The first bodybuilder I saw in person was Melvin Anthony at the 2007 Arnold Classic.  Mere months after from being in the top six in the world the man looked to be all of 230 pounds and soft!  Regardless of whether or not he stopped juicing, training, whatever, how on earth does one go from being one of the top six in the world to being barely recognizable as a bodybuilder?  Dorian looked huge this past weekend but he's probably still running something, at the very least HRT.

Trust me, I would LOVE to run a cycle but it would not do me any good on the calories I'm on.  It's as simple as that.
Great strenght man, but wach your form, once you fu** your lower back is game over for all heavy back and legs...and reading your post you seem to have problems gaining size as a natural? Did you try serge Nubret's style of medium weight, high volume, pumping workout it helped my blast trought my platou, im now on more strenght and mass program, but i will be back to Serge's after some time...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: G_Thang on June 23, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
wiggs + kai = (http://www.wdwinfo.com/images/smilies/love30.gif)

schmoe
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
Great strenght man, but wach your form, once you fu** your lower back is game over for all heavy back and legs...and reading your post you seem to have problems gaining size as a natural? Did you try serge Nubret's style of medium weight, high volume, pumping workout it helped my blast trought my platou, im now on more strenght and mass program, but i will be back to Serge's after some time...

Hey thanks PhysiqueNatural!!!  I'm always looking for new tips to improve although I know the main thing is food and I really need to look no further than that although I do appreciate training advice as well.  If 90% of the problem is insufficient calories, that's what I have to hit first.  I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest.

As for my back, maybe it's ignorant for me to say this, but I honestly feel that I can train like this and have no problems.  Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: PhysiqueNatural on June 23, 2011, 02:08:23 PM
Hey thanks PhysiqueNatural!!!  I'm always looking for new tips to improve although I know the main thing is food and I really need to look no further than that although I do appreciate training advice as well.  If 90% of the problem is insufficient calories, that's what I have to hit first.  I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest.

As for my back, maybe it's ignorant for me to say this, but I honestly feel that I can train like this and have no problems.  Time will tell I guess.
I stuff my face all the time, you must too, don't half ass it bro! :) about the training you have threads a bb. com where Serge posted also his training program, no problem man always i try to help if i can...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on June 23, 2011, 04:06:07 PM
No, it's achievable.

However, and by your own admission, you have not achieved it without gear though, dickhead!

Your straw-man to one side; you are - by any standards - a veteran gear user; you have, by your own admission, several goodly cycles under your belt (consisting of both leather daddy sperm and urine injectables and orals). Why you perceive this as shamefull I do not know?

Having said that; perhaps it is by virtue, and as you full well know, that your said admission re: 'Axio' would make good bedfellows with any potential interest from Dick Warman. In that respect, one cannot blame you for engaging in a little obfuscatory modality whence upon the topic doth find itself discussed!

You have surely learnt, that one Swallow does in fact render summerwise; you are no stranger to swallowing [pint after pint] within the acrid environs of Canada's public lavatory system; non too salubrious shit-houses so mind bendingly, mind bogglingly and mind blowingly awash with furfuraceous cock. You - Matt Canning - cannot leave; denied exit by your branlike asshole, so categorically craving crusty cock!

You know [more than anyone] that you are convincing nobody with this charade... the latest round of unequivocal insanity from Matt C!

Oh and, both Dan, Evo and I left your forum in good turn; even requesting you delete our post history in full; so save your weasel words about "giving a fuck/obsessing" over anything connected to you.

Though it must be said, well done on falling to 108,000 on the Alexa rankings (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ilovespam.com#) - after climbing to 60,000 last year. I mean, only a complete cunt would find themselves sliding from 60,000 (that Dan got you to lol) back to 120,000 inside of sixteen months; all of which, and as you full well know, was predicted by Duchaine upon leaving last year; fucking dicephalous, dick-loving, diabetic failure that you are!

What was it you said about reaching 60,000 once more in 2011, whilst under your watch?

Everything out of your yap is bullshit.

You are incapable of saying "anything honestly"; the lies pouring from your mouth - so stricken with sores - in equal measure to the sperm that doth so verily flood upon your glans glazed bowel!

Although well done on getting the Joomla installed, seriously; one year late, but well done.

The combination of toxic orals from scabby UG labs, together with one too many mouthfuls of piss drenched sperm from those oily old men [in shit-stained, public toilets] you so verily love, has only resulted in a most gross of observably attenuated mental states!

Shock therapy and straight jackets for Matt C !


Jesus christ almighty ! LOL ! I think I'm startin' to fall for you ? Are you single ? LOL !


MAJOR ownage of MASSIVE proportions, my fellow getbiggers !!! Wow ! Just ... wow !
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 23, 2011, 04:17:30 PM


oh bloody mary christmas ... is that Ben the Bakery Boy ?

IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here we go folks ... see the fat TWAT "traiining" Matt

yeah .. lemme just say

Between Goodrum .. Basile ... Michele Pulcinella ... some Tiny Tim fuckwit from England .. and Bakery Ben

Matt was beaten about the face and head because "people are mean"

more than once he begged .. please be nice to my chubby friend he will leave and he trains me

stop trying to come off as Mr Clean Natural Innocent Super Powered Small Man


the mod forum Matt .. remember that ..  I can remember everything .... you stupid little spamming snot licker
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 23, 2011, 04:24:05 PM
No, it's achievable.

However, and by your own admission, you have not achieved it without gear though, dickhead!

Your straw-man to one side; you are - by any standards - a veteran gear user; you have, by your own admission, several goodly cycles under your belt (consisting of both leather daddy sperm and urine injectables and orals). Why you perceive this as shamefull I do not know?

Having said that; perhaps it is by virtue, and as you full well know, that your said admission re: 'Axio' would make good bedfellows with any potential interest from Dick Warman. In that respect, one cannot blame you for engaging in a little obfuscatory modality whence upon the topic doth find itself discussed!

You have surely learnt, that one Swallow does in fact render summerwise; you are no stranger to swallowing [pint after pint] within the acrid environs of Canada's public lavatory system; non too salubrious shit-houses so mind bendingly, mind bogglingly and mind blowingly awash with furfuraceous cock. You - Matt Canning - cannot leave; denied exit by your branlike asshole, so categorically craving crusty cock!

You know [more than anyone] that you are convincing nobody with this charade... the latest round of unequivocal insanity from Matt C!

Oh and, both Dan, Evo and I left your forum in good turn; even requesting you delete our post history in full; so save your weasel words about "giving a fuck/obsessing" over anything connected to you.

Though it must be said, well done on falling to 108,000 on the Alexa rankings (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ilovespam.com#) - after climbing to 60,000 last year. I mean, only a complete cunt would find themselves sliding from 60,000 (that Dan got you to lol) back to 120,000 inside of sixteen months; all of which, and as you full well know, was predicted by Duchaine upon leaving last year; fucking dicephalous, dick-loving, diabetic failure that you are!

What was it you said about reaching 60,000 once more in 2011, whilst under your watch?

Everything out of your yap is bullshit.

You are incapable of saying "anything honestly"; the lies pouring from your mouth - so stricken with sores - in equal measure to the sperm that doth so verily flood upon your glans glazed bowel!

Although well done on getting the Joomla installed, seriously; one year late, but well done.

The combination of toxic orals from scabby UG labs, together with one too many mouthfuls of piss drenched sperm from those oily old men [in shit-stained, public toilets] you so verily love, has only resulted in a most gross of observably attenuated mental states!

Shock therapy and straight jackets for Matt C !

this is maybe the best posting in getbig recent history lol ,, im still laughing lol

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: newmom on June 23, 2011, 04:24:39 PM
spamming snot licker

Oh I need to text that to someone..LMAO
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Ursus on June 23, 2011, 04:57:09 PM
This is where I hope to be, both form wise and weight wise, hopefully very soon:



Am I being realistic or is 20 pounds with improved form not likely?  It's just a gut feeling, but I truly feel that this will happen.  If so, I will keep everyone updated.

That is shit form look how teh bar is twisting - great way to wreck your back!

This is 500lbs with the form I use.

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 06:43:46 PM


oh bloody mary christmas ... is that Ben the Bakery Boy ?

IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here we go folks ... see the fat TWAT "traiining" Matt

yeah .. lemme just say

Between Goodrum .. Basile ... Michele Pulcinella ... some Tiny Tim fuckwit from England .. and Bakery Ben

Matt was beaten about the face and head because "people are mean"

more than once he begged .. please be nice to my chubby friend he will leave and he trains me

stop trying to come off as Mr Clean Natural Innocent Super Powered Small Man


the mod forum Matt .. remember that ..  I can remember everything .... you stupid little spamming snot licker

You have no evidence that I ever juiced aside from doctored screen captures.  Post something resembling actual evidence and not a screen capture that I could create in under five minutes as "proof".  Oh, and an alleged admission of 20mg of dbol a day for a few weeks over the past five years?  That's it?  Wow, dbol must sure be long acting for me to consistently gain strength five years later on a dose suitable for a child.  I'll be deadlifting 525 in no time.

What I would like to see is who on this board - juiced to the gills or not - beats me on any lift.  My bench is 225X25 which narrowly falls short of Mark Alvisi's lift of 230X32 and I think we all know he's on a little more than creatine.

I think it's sad when people who double my body weight are not even as strong as me.  And even subscribing to the ridiculous notion that I am using gear to make my epic weight of 163, that would put me in the same class as most on this board who are still nowhere near as strong as me.  So juiced or not, strength wise I am ahead of over 90% of this board.

You remind me of one of those guys who threatens to fight Nasser than when you see him in person you shit your pants and all of a sudden you're his best friend.

Your posts on my site brought 0 new posting members.  If you're so great at creating a website, go do it.  If you ever create a bodybuilding site more popular than mine - which will never happen - then you can come back and bash me for my site, something I have taken a break from while raising two young children [ages one and two] who occupy almost every waking moment of my life.  Again, something you will never have.  :(  And despite not updating my site in nine months, it is still ranked just outside the top 100,000 in the world and I have finally almost completed the coding of the site and can start updating it again.  First thing's first - an article about the career of the great Nasser El Sonbaty.

Post videos of you lifting more than me.  You can't, you won't.  Post the link to your bodybuilding site which is more popular than mine.  You can't you won't.  I invited you back to post on the site and you refused.  You made your choice, so your interest in my posts/lifts/life is rather odd to me.  I think someone has a crush on Matt C.  :)

PS - Videos of my 350 bench and 500 deadlift coming soon!  Sometimes the proof is in the pudding.  :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
Still waiting for a few 250+ pound juicers on the board to post their videos beating me in any of the main lifts.

Surely most of the guys on here who outweigh me by 100 pounds can out-lift me right?  :)









I'll wait.

What's sad is when you have people bashing me whose arms are bigger than my legs and still aren't stronger than me.  You can say what you want about me, but I'll always verify my lifting claims.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: theheman on June 23, 2011, 07:16:41 PM
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene.  It's turned into a MattC thread. 
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
I thought this thread was about Kai Greene.  It's turned into a MattC thread. 

Yes it did...I'm honestly beginning to think that w8m8 has a crush on me.  In a way I'm actually flattered.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 23, 2011, 07:31:01 PM
Matt,in order to increase your food intake,you just put it into the same terms as you do your lifting.

Increasing lifts = progressive resistance

Increasing food = progressive eating.

You add small plates to the bar to increase a lift that your nearly maxed out on,you do the same thing with food.

If you only can eat two eggs,do so,then after a time make yourself eat three,then keep repeating this as you get accustomed to the new food intake...............not hard to do if you make small increments over time at each and every meal.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 07:44:19 PM
Matt,in order to increase your food intake,you just put it into the same terms as you do your lifting.

Increasing lifts = progressive resistance

Increasing food = progressive eating.

You add small plates to the bar to increase a lift that your nearly maxed out on,you do the same thing with food.

If you only can eat two eggs,do so,then after a time make yourself eat three,then keep repeating this as you get accustomed to the new food intake...............not hard to do if you make small increments over time at each and every meal.

Thanks Tim, I really appreciate the advice.  I feel like my training is going great but that my appetite has failed me.  I could honestly eat 1,200 calories a day and feel perfectly fine.  More than that, I feel that I could train hard and get a lot accomplished on that many calories.  Some people who hang out with me are stunned at how little I eat while still feeling perfectly fine.  It's been that way my entire life.  Food has always been my issue.  When I was force-feeding a little, I was able to maintain around a 180 pound physique but since reverting to nature, I hold around 160 or so.  My goal would be to be somewhere in the area of 175-180 with a slightly better body composition and I believe that is realistic as long as I can eat.

Maybe I should consider this thread a challenge and see if I can come back on here in a few months and post some progress photos and see where I'm at.  Tell me something Tim - are the photos you post sustainable?  Or is that just how you look close to a contest but different year round?  I obviously don't expect to look like you did in contest, but I do want to try to figure out what level of conditioning is sustainable and set realistic goals.  I am pretty keen on setting realistic goals, hence the strength goals I have outlined in this thread.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: GroinkTropin on June 23, 2011, 07:53:20 PM
Matt, it's the internet....Turn off the computer, walk away, go chill with your kids...
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 23, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
Matt, I normally only get around 10-12 pounds heavier after a contest as a rule.

I have slipped up recently (see other thread),but I generally stay pretty lean year round as just like you,I`m a smaller guy and I don`t have a huge appetite though it is humongous compared to what it once was.

As a kid I was the proverbial 98 pound weakling(literally),with the metabolism of a hummingbird and the genetics of a miniature poodle! ;D

One thing I always did which helped me to eat more was as I was sitting down to eat after training,I would think to myself,I have to eat more and I have to eat better food or all my hard work in the gym will be for naught.

I never would`ve eaten the foods as a kid that a bodybuilder needs to make progress but I forced myself to all the while thinking that if I did it would simply make me better which of course it will and it did.

Do some cardio if you are trying to increase food intake (all I ever do is walk on an inclined treadmill for 30-45 minutes,sometimes less depending on my goals or how I`m looking or feeling),don`t let too much of your new weight just be useless fat.

you are one strong fucker and another 10-15 pounds of mass will make you incredibly stronger.

I must say though,go light at times and try to perfect your form.

Oh another thing,any organization that allows hitching a deadlift and calling it a good lift needs to be shut down.

Powerlifting was once a great sport until all the suits and bridging annd helping hands from spotters etc. etc. entered the picture.

I`d rather bench a legit 300 pounds that 500 with some fucking suit because it`s just not a true indication of my real strength.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2011, 07:58:29 PM
Matt, it's the internet....Turn off the computer, walk away, go chill with your kids...

You know what Methyl Mike, you're absolutely right.  No matter how you cut it, I'm here at home with my loving family right now and that's really all that matters to me.  :)  I posted videos and pictures and I guess I can't control what people think about me one way or the other.  Great post and thank you for putting things in perspective.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 23, 2011, 08:02:05 PM
You know what Methyl Mike, you're absolutely right.  No matter how you cut it, I'm here at home with my loving family right now and that's really all that matters to me.  :)  I posted videos and pictures and I guess I can't control what people think about me one way or the other.  Great post and thank you for putting things in perspective.
It`s only the internet bro!

I bust your ass a lot,but I don`t really have any malice towards you at all........we just don`t see eye to eye on tons of things.

Did I just type that..........another Clomid moment!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: abijahmaniaco on June 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
... any organization that allows hitching a deadlift and calling it a good lift needs to be shut down.
what does this entail?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: PJim on June 23, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
Thanks Tim, I really appreciate the advice.  I feel like my training is going great but that my appetite has failed me.  I could honestly eat 1,200 calories a day and feel perfectly fine.  More than that, I feel that I could train hard and get a lot accomplished on that many calories.  Some people who hang out with me are stunned at how little I eat while still feeling perfectly fine.  It's been that way my entire life.  Food has always been my issue.  When I was force-feeding a little, I was able to maintain around a 180 pound physique but since reverting to nature, I hold around 160 or so.  My goal would be to be somewhere in the area of 175-180 with a slightly better body composition and I believe that is realistic as long as I can eat.

Maybe I should consider this thread a challenge and see if I can come back on here in a few months and post some progress photos and see where I'm at.  Tell me something Tim - are the photos you post sustainable?  Or is that just how you look close to a contest but different year round?  I obviously don't expect to look like you did in contest, but I do want to try to figure out what level of conditioning is sustainable and set realistic goals.  I am pretty keen on setting realistic goals, hence the strength goals I have outlined in this thread.

Killing it with the hair in the second picture haahah
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Swlabr on June 24, 2011, 02:25:03 AM
Just wondering, is MattC a troll?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 24, 2011, 03:37:56 AM
It`s only the internet bro!

I bust your ass a lot,but I don`t really have any malice towards you at all........we just don`t see eye to eye on tons of things.

Did I just type that..........another Clomid moment!  ;D

if the old generation was all like you....there would have been no need for gh15 and i would be able to retire and raise my dogs and my new fish joshua in steroidland where gear is free and the whores are on their knee,,
but.. im stuck with the dantas and the getnys and the noels in this hell and ill win

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: KevinP85 on June 24, 2011, 03:38:46 AM
225X25?????

Ah, you barely did 18 in the vid, and your form from the start, back and ass off the bench, doesn't count. Try doing Levrone way, and I bet you'll be lucky to get 10 or 12.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: nosleep on June 24, 2011, 08:25:32 AM
I'm on nothing.  I'm maybe 165 pounds.  If people truly believe I am on gear right now, I find that shocking.  Look at the picture.  No, that is not a bad response, that is just what I look like.

If I could consistently eat 2,000+ calories a day, I would like to go on a cycle.  I honestly do not see my appetite going up and feel that gear would just be a waste.  Believe me, I am quite interested in running a cycle but what would the point be if I don't/can't/won't eat?  I can assure everyone reading this that I would like to use gear but I'm telling you, it would be a monumental waste.  As the expression goes, eat like a bird, look like a bird.  Maybe on gear I would be a slightly stronger, slightly bigger bird, but still.

GEAR WOULD GIVE YOU AN APPETITE.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Ursus on June 24, 2011, 09:02:51 AM
Matt you are a strong guy for your weight however that bench pressing video every single rep you lifted your ass. That makes it much easier!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 10:21:55 AM
-  begging Dan Duchaine to write [Matt's] many forum replies over the years ;)

I begged you to come to my board, that is true.  But I realize now that you are not going to help me get new members.  Your posts did bring a lot of readers [which granted, is still a good thing], some of whom threatened with legal action.  Finally when my dad was dealt a specious YouTube lawsuit [which was later thrown out], I shut the board down.  I tried to invite you back to the board when things got resolved and you declined.  Now I honestly don't know what your deal is.  Whether you have a crush on me or something else, I seriously don't know.

What, pray tell, did you expect me to do when my family was in the process of undergoing a MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT?  ::)  Keep my board running and risk the safety of my children, who at the time were 15 months and three months old?  Yes, I'm going to risk losing everything I own to give you a platform for your posts.  ::)

Now you're mad because you know my site has the potential to easily bring in 5K, 10K, or who knows how much each month, with advertising dollars.  Dollars that you want.  Dollars that I will now get that I would never have thought about getting if not for you.  ;D  Think about it this way: Without even updating the main site for nine months, my site was in the top 100,000 until just this month.  Once I get back to updating it daily it will easily be in the top 75,000 or better in no time.

In that way I can't really be mad at you - I honestly would not have thought to expand the advertising on my site without you.  Whatever you do to me will not be worth the [literally] tens of thousands of dollars I will ultimately end up making off the site thanks to your ideas.  :D  My work ethic, but your ideas.  I invited you back to join in again and you refused.  Whose decision was that?

Your other claims you are making up, just as you are making up my being a homosexual.  You are a self-hating bisexual/steroid user and simply wish for me to "join the club".  You will be forever alone and hate your bisexuality and like to project on others that other people are bisexual as well.  But I'm not and you will never find anything to that effect.

For everyone reading this, I have 10 rental units where I live, three of which are rented to Aboriginals and all of that is easily verifiable.  Not drug dealing, slum-lording.  ::)

225X25?????

Ah, you barely did 18 in the vid, and your form from the start, back and ass off the bench, doesn't count. Try doing Levrone way, and I bet you'll be lucky to get 10 or 12.

I did 19 plus another forced rep.  That video was from over a year ago.

I never said that I could do 25 with perfect strict form but 10 or 12 with strict form is something I could do after an hour of training chest with no problems.  I'm good for at least 15 with very strict form.  Remember what happened to Nasser at the 2005 Olympia when he went first in the contest and used strict form?  He got 15 and everyone who went after did bounced half reps.  Based on the usual standard people apply for 225 for reps videos, I think my form is pretty good.  At the very least, I touch my chest with the bar for every rep and use a full range of motion.  Hardly any of the videos on YouTube of people doing it are strict and I should be held to the same standard.  In that respect, my form is fine.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 10:33:50 AM
At the 2005 Mr. Olympia expo:

1) Jeramy Freeman 54 reps (Muscletech)
2) Phil Heath 46 reps (Weider)
3) Sebastian Zona 43 reps (Muscletech)
4) Garret Downing 31 reps (Weider)
5) Justin Brooks 25 reps (Muscletech)
6) Roland Kickinger 17 reps (Weider)
6) Christian Boeving 17 reps (Muscletech)
7) Nasser 15 reps (Weider)

The form in the videos below would probably be good compared to some of the videos I have seen:





I don't see you posting the proof yet, Mr Canning.
You could settle this once & for all, just post the mod forum pages, get it done already, FFS!!

PT


Good point.  Excuse me while I go doctor a few screen captures proving w8m8 has been running gear for the past 20 years.  It seems like that constitutes "proof" around here.  Further, if I wanted to doctor an entire forum on my own board with fake posts, of course I could do that.  Unfortunately, almost everything from the Woten era of my board was deleted over a year ago when my dad was getting sued unsuccessfully.  Kind of like how Gaspari is currently being sued unsuccessfully.  I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for counter-suits in both cases.  :D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 24, 2011, 10:41:51 AM
I begged you to come to my board, that is true.  But I realize now that you are not going to help me get new members.  Your posts did bring a lot of readers fans in, which granted, is still a good thing, some of whom threatened with legal action were whining little 'PC' lefty wankers.  Finally when my dad was dealt a specious YouTube lawsuit told me you were off the hook, & this is canada, we will get jail time, I shat my self, so I shut the board down.  I tried to invite you back to the board when things got resolved and you declined but I treated you like a piss stained bed sheet, so I don't blame you for telling me to fuck off. After all the advice you gave me. that will earn $$'s I shat on you, I know that now. please forgive me, I have shamed my-self more than anything.

Now you're mad because you know my site has the potential to easily bring in 5K, 10K, or who knows how much each month, with advertising dollars.  Dollars that you want.  Dollars that I will now get that I would never have thought about getting if not for you.  ;D  Think about it this way: Without even updating the main site for nine months, my site was in the top 100,000 until just this month.  Once I get back to updating it daily it will easily be in the top 75,000 or better in no time.

Mr Canning, you without 'Dr Duchaine' are fuck all!! if you can get that board (with-out his help) from 100,000 up to just 90K, I will gladly eat a 10kg bag of my own fecal matter.

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Hulkotron on June 24, 2011, 10:44:06 AM
Everyone on getbig benches 335 naturally and adds 15 pounds to their bench and 20 to their DL in a week or two, really no big deal.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 24, 2011, 10:46:55 AM
At the 2005 Mr. Olympia expo:

1) Jeramy Freeman 54 reps (Muscletech)
2) Phil Heath 46 reps (Weider)
3) Sebastian Zona 43 reps (Muscletech)
4) Garret Downing 31 reps (Weider)
5) Justin Brooks 25 reps (Muscletech)
6) Roland Kickinger 17 reps (Weider)
6) Christian Boeving 17 reps (Muscletech)
7) Nasser 15 reps (Weider)

The form in the videos below would probably be good compared to some of the videos I have seen:






What did I say about you & 'Sevestase'??
I will start a thread about kai green (that will get the traffic in) & then x2 posts in I will flip it to 'my fantasy thread' full of back slapping, based on how strong I am considering I don't eat or do any gear.
& who said you were losing the plot??
What a fucking clown.

Wanker.

PT

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 24, 2011, 10:48:24 AM
if the old generation was all like you....there would have been no need for gh15 and i would be able to retire and raise my dogs and my new fish joshua in steroidland where gear is free and the whores are on their knee,,
but.. im stuck with the dantas and the getnys and the noels in this hell and ill win

gh15 approved
Thanks bro!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
Mr Canning, you without 'Dr Duchaine' are fuck all!! if you can get that board (with-out his help) from 100,000 up to just 90K, I will gladly eat a 10kg bag of my own fecal matter.

PT

Yes, but with two small children I can't deal with legal threats right now.  I am literally with them for all but a few hours a day right now while I train.  They are my world, not an open board, which is a great idea just not one for me at the moment.  When bullshit legal threats turn into very real litigation that ultimately gets thrown out of court, it becomes a problem.  Even when I invited Dan back to the board what did he do?  Attacked myself and my character.  Would you invite him back in my shoes?  He doesn't want to be a partner in any way, he wants full run of my board.  I offered to do some cross-promotion of his site if he ever made one, and he refused.  I think he wants my site because in general, my site is fairly well indexed in search engines.  I invited him back when the issues got resolved and he refused.  I'm not sure how that is my fault.

Everyone on getbig benches 335 naturally and adds 15 pounds to their bench and 20 to their DL in a week or two, really no big deal.

Lol...great post!!!

Everyone here is stronger than me apparently, so what's the big deal?  Sometimes I think this board thinks you can gain no size or strength at all without gear.  But it truly bears repeating that I am 160 pounds.  If this is a physique that needs steroids to build, that is sad.  In person with a shirt on, you would not even know I work out.  No one would suspect I'm on anything!  I think a lot of people want to believe I'm running something to be "part of the club".  Kind of like when a person does something which is unacceptable in some way, it is nice to see familiar faces joining you.

What did I say about you & 'Sevestase'??
I will start a thread about kai green (that will get the traffic in) & then x2 posts in I will flip it to 'my fantasy thread' full of back slapping, based on how strong I am considering I don't or do any gear.
& who said you were losing the plot??
What a fucking clown.

Wanker.

PT



Yes, I brought this on myself.

Having said that - and after training with many juiced and natural lifters and observing them - I am confident that strength is far less dependent on steroids than bodybuilding.

For example, at a certain level in powerlifting, you either have the joint and tendon strength to continue to advance or you don't.  Steroids aren't going to help you there.  While I consider myself to be very ectomorphic and not built for either muscle size or power, I have been quite pleased with my lifts lately, especially in relation to my body weight.  But because I brought this up initially in a way that was sort of bragging, I shouldn't be surprised with a backlash.

I was a little giddy for hitting some PRs this week and wanted to share.

As for Kai Greene...

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386192.0;attach=418292;image)

Was he on gear in this picture?  ???
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
what do you need to report Mattilda ?

(http://i52.tinypic.com/343q68k.jpg)

Quote
Your other claims you are making up, just as you are making up my being a homosexual.

Yawn; save your circuitous, digressive yap!

I have never said you were a homo, I said I believe you to be one based on your conduct, that's all; so save your weak strawman diversion tactics, mongoloid!

Conversely, we both know I have proof of your steroid use, and drug dealing; I just want you to answer the following question, thats all.

BTW, feel free to evade it once more; getbigers such as Van_Bilderass and gh15 will be laughing their tits off at your piss poor brand of PR ;)

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".


tick tock, mongol.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 24, 2011, 12:22:29 PM
I just kinda chuckle at the way you guys act like the fate of the free world hangs in the balance here.....who gives a fuck what Matt c. does.

He's a douche...this is common knowledge
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 12:42:36 PM
I just kinda chuckle at the way you guys act like the fate of the free world hangs in the balance here.....who gives a fuck what Matt c. does.

He's a douche...this is common knowledge

He is more than just the common douche .. he is a two faced lying scumbag who is USING Getbig for his own advantage .. he's banned from BB.com .. and his forum is DEAD .. he begged us there to post as much controversial and "edgy" things we could .. when Basile and Goodrum complained .. he laughed in the mod forum saying .. PLEASE OWN THEM MORE .. it's funny and brings traffic .. he waffles according to who he thinks he needs to please at the moment and is not loyal to anything but musclebears and money .. and thanks to us .. he got a clue how to make some money with his board

I asked Derek Anthony to post over there and Matt had an orgasm when Derek mentioned BBPro on his radio show .. he sucks at being honest .. I respect people who say what they think and feel whether it's popular or not .. if they get hated for it oh well at least they were honest ... he's a fuckin snake looking to bilk anything from anyone and it's ALL he does .. his wife makes the money .. hence his being Mr Mom .. he's a fucking scumbag who spends hours posting naked muscle photos asking if the penis is normal sized but hey he's not ghey at all  ::)

Oh and, have a look at cunt canning's current avatar, it features him whilst, and by his own admission, on Axio Dianabol and test, the test of which, he "thought was fake but wasn't sure?"

Given both his videos and pics of late, I'd wager the little shitbag is currently on.

(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/ipwgwqov/mattc2.jpg)

Along with myself and Dan, there was another mod (evo) at bbpro that can confirm everything stated here.

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

Still waiting Canning, tick tock...

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Schmoff on June 24, 2011, 12:57:13 PM
Thanks Tim, I really appreciate the advice.  I feel like my training is going great but that my appetite has failed me.  I could honestly eat 1,200 calories a day and feel perfectly fine.  More than that, I feel that I could train hard and get a lot accomplished on that many calories.  Some people who hang out with me are stunned at how little I eat while still feeling perfectly fine.  It's been that way my entire life.  Food has always been my issue.  When I was force-feeding a little, I was able to maintain around a 180 pound physique but since reverting to nature, I hold around 160 or so.  My goal would be to be somewhere in the area of 175-180 with a slightly better body composition and I believe that is realistic as long as I can eat.

Maybe I should consider this thread a challenge and see if I can come back on here in a few months and post some progress photos and see where I'm at.  Tell me something Tim - are the photos you post sustainable?  Or is that just how you look close to a contest but different year round?  I obviously don't expect to look like you did in contest, but I do want to try to figure out what level of conditioning is sustainable and set realistic goals.  I am pretty keen on setting realistic goals, hence the strength goals I have outlined in this thread.

dude needs a haircut
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
I just kinda chuckle at the way you guys act like the fate of the free world hangs in the balance here.....who gives a fuck what Matt c. does.

He's a douche...this is common knowledge

Honestly Groink, I don't know what your problem is with me because I've certainly never had a problem with you.  Have I ever done anything to you personally that would personally merit you attacking me?  If so, what?  As for making a big deal out of this thread, I would generally agree but now that I have children, the dynamic has changed.  Ron has said as much.  He told me it was a different ballpark when he didn't have kids and the threats/problems he would get mattered less to him then.  When you have kids, things change.

He is more than just the common douche .. he is a two faced lying scumbag who is USING Getbig for his own advantage .. he's banned from BB.com .. and his forum is DEAD .. he begged us there to post as much controversial and "edgy" things we could .. when Basile and Goodrum complained .. he laughed in the mod forum saying .. PLEASE OWN THEM MORE .. it's funny and brings traffic .. he waffles according to who he thinks he needs to please at the moment

I asked Derek Anthony to post over there and Matt had an orgasm when Derek mentioned BBPro on his radio show .. he sucks at being honest .. I respect people who say what they think and feel whether it's popular or not .. if they get hated for it oh well at least they were honest ... he's a fuckin snake looking to bilk anything from anyone and it's ALL he does .. his wife makes the money .. hence his being Mr Mom .. he's a fucking scumbag who spends hours posting naked muscle photos asking if the penis is normal sized but hey he's not ghey at all  ::)

I suck at being honest, said by someone hiding behind an anonymous screen name and layers of proxies.

Post under your REAL NAME, then when people accuse you of things which would put your two little children at risk, I will respect you.  Admittedly, there is no real risk here, but as my dad and Ron and Gaspari and many more can attest to, bullshit lawsuits can still have a cost.  Post some videos of you beating me in ANY lift and I will respect you.

You can't, you won't.

18 years of gear, 100 pounds more mass than me, and you can't out-lift someone who is barely 160 pounds and doesn't even look like he trains?  No wonder you desperately want to believe that I'm using everything under the sun.  This bears repeating again and again, I am 160 pounds and eat like a bird.  If you honestly think it takes gear to build my physique, I am shocked.  Yes, I'm much stronger than you which only shows how laughable your own progress is, but says nothing about my consuming gear.  Post under your real name and then let's see how "honest" you still are and what your lifts are.  And even if I was using gear, I'm still stronger than almost everyone on here.  God, how sad is that?

My ban from BB.com over posting Kai's grapefruit photos has since been lifted.  As for only posting on here for my own gain, I have multiple threads on here over the past week that collectively have thousands of views.  The pictures and videos I take at the contests are things everyone on bodybuilding boards want to see.  I'm not just spamming links, I'm posting actual relevant content.

One thing remains for certain though, when I took your advice and became pro-active about advancing my site, I was shocked about how right you were.  Making $3,000 a month on it [as you told me was possible in 2007] is not even close to the potential the site has.  Six sub-forums for supplement companies at $500 a month will get that.

As much as you became a jerk and decided to hate me over things that had nothing to do with me [my dad's lawsuit], I can't completely hate you because I honestly had no idea just how much potential my site had before you informed me.  Would I have ever stumbled upon someone who told me that?  Possibly, but quite possibly not.

Now put yourself in my shoes - your dad is getting sued over some bullshit YouTube clip and you have two small kids.  Do you keep running a website that is getting you multiple threats of litigation or do you quit, at least temporarily, until things get resolved?  At which point, I invited you back to the board and YOU refused.

Now you're getting mad at me why exactly?  Oh, because I'm not the gay steroid user which you want me to be.  Start posting under your real name and reveal all personal details about yourself and then you can tell me how dishonest I am.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 01:19:31 PM
Given both his videos and pics of late, I'd wager the little shitbag is currently on.

(http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/ipwgwqov/mattc2.jpg)

I'll take this as a compliment, but my weight is 160.  Or maybe more like 163, but whatever.  I'm a little leaner than I have been in the past, but still something like 10-20% body fat.

Gym pictures are one thing, but in person in clothes you would not think that I use steroids and quite possibly not even think that I train.  I'm not happy with that, but on my calories it's the best I can do.

My gear-free friend/trainer Ben has helped me take my strength to a level higher than it has ever been:





I've made it a point lately to train with literally the strongest guys in my city.  In my 480 deadlift video, the video was being captured by a friend of mine who has a 590 deadlift.  Both Ben and the other guy training with me that day have 550+ deadlifts  Ben is only 21.  They are all younger and stronger than me and this is obviously quite humbling/motivating.  They have motivated me to take it to the next level, training wise, if not nutrition wise which is something I find is the biggest challenge for me.

You can be small and still be strong.  Acclimation of the central nervous system and other factors matter greatly.  If I can't get any bigger, I may as well get stronger.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 01:27:49 PM
I suck at being honest, said by someone hiding behind an anonymous screen name and layers of proxies.

Post under your REAL NAME, then when people accuse you of things which would put your two little children at risk, I will respect you.  Admittedly, there is no real risk here, but as my dad and Ron and Gaspari and many more can attest to, bullshit lawsuits can still ha... snip snip

ROOOOOOAAAAAARING WITH LAUGHTER!!!

Mr Canning, we appear to have you, between the headlights no less!

Once more, for the discursive dunce:

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

LOL

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on June 24, 2011, 01:30:56 PM
if the old generation was all like you....there would have been no need for gh15 and i would be able to retire and raise my dogs and my new fish joshua in steroidland where gear is free and the whores are on their knee,,
but.. im stuck with the dantas and the getnys and the noels in this hell and ill win

gh15 approved

say hello to joshua for me.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on June 24, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
great job matt you are for sure strong for your weight and for being natural and also a dad of 2 ;D

as for bench pressing 225 pounds (100 kg) here is me doing it for 15 reps.. i was 83 kg here but this was my second chest set on that day after bench pressing 140 kg for 3 reps.. i think i could do it for 2-3 more reps if it was my first set!!..



Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 01:36:59 PM
 
Quote from: MATTILDA
I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I 
me me me me me me me me me me me
my my my my my my my my my my my

tick tock


Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 24, 2011, 01:37:11 PM
i tell you what the problem matt,, th eproblem is that your delts....they are hromnized thick...they arre very big and not from lifting,,i have seen you when you were truly off and clean ...then you are a vry small fella very thin infact bordering skinny,, the problem comes when me and van b looked at your delts and arms....the arms are ok you can still get them pumped 17.5 naturaly if you are truely gifted eventhough at 160? not a damn chance,, but the arms is not what i talk about ....what i talk about is the delts...those delts are just hormonized thick,,you never EVER NEVER EVER SEE 160 or 170 or even 180 fellas with delts lik ethat unless hormonized,,never!,, the arms umm well only profesionals like me and van b can tell so it can pass by with out fellas suspecting eventhouhg any user wil tell you immidiatly whats up..but! the delts you got delts as big 210lb bodybuilders and its nto fat in youir delts,, its sculpted and its not from no lifting lol,, it is a very thick from the inside out hormonization type of build,, now when you wil come and ask...why just why your other bodypart not develop like that? ...well its because back is very weak point or you and akwad shape...very bad from the back ...and ofcourse the food come to consideration there because when not eat enough whiel still on hormones th delts will remain ...what will go is the back....the legs....the arms to some degreee....

but again from the front both delts and arms belong on hormonizd bodybuild,,i have compared you numerous times to 200lb bodyhbuilders and delts are there with arms slightly behind,,its not because of your good genetics because you dont have good genetics because as i said before genetics means nothing in bodybuild especialy at the level talked about,, it is because of hormonization friend,, hormonization to some degree...ofcourse you are not even close to be swimming in hormones but hormonization has been there and van b can go into detail about it in most liklihood


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: CalvinH on June 24, 2011, 01:41:24 PM
say hello to joshua for me.


 ;D

x2.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 01:53:37 PM
ROOOOOOAAAAAARING WITH LAUGHTER!!!

Mr Canning, we appear to have you, between the headlights no less!

Once more, for the discursive dunce:

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

LOL



I feel like an idiot, talking to an anonymous gimmick.

A strong idiot, granted, but still.

Oh god, should I post NEW VIDEOS of me deadlifting 490 and benching 340?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
I feel like an idiot

tick tock

and just for your pleasure if Ron wants to call me in NY I will give HIM my phone number  :D



 
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 24, 2011, 02:33:15 PM
(http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/ct-images/StopTheMadness1.jpg)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 24, 2011, 03:48:50 PM
.

sorry Tim, this is the Thunderdome, Matt is not special, Groink gets hammered a LOT, Panda got called on his game, and so did dj

Just being fair here  ;)


 

YO MR CANNING

Try forming some other words, vis a vis, answering this .. because right now, both gh15 and I are passing you around like a rag doll and you're lucky Van isn't adding his opinion thus far ;)

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

Saying that, just stick to you current "avoid answering" bon mot .. its fucking hilarious .. thine surefeit grapes of gaiety, doth so verily deluge thine goblet!

LOL, Matt C... BUSTED!!!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on June 24, 2011, 04:01:06 PM
(http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/ct-images/StopTheMadness1.jpg)

some serious manhands going on!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 24, 2011, 04:53:35 PM
some serious manhands going on!
GH man hands at that! 
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2011, 05:42:07 PM
great job matt you are for sure strong for your weight and for being natural and also a dad of 2 ;D

as for bench pressing 225 pounds (100 kg) here is me doing it for 15 reps.. i was 83 kg here but this was my second chest set on that day after bench pressing 140 kg for 3 reps.. i think i could do it for 2-3 more reps if it was my first set!!..





Great work Sherief!

tick tock

and just for your pleasure if Ron wants to call me in NY I will give HIM my phone number  :D



 

So you want to continue to post anonymously while demanding that I reveal every personal detail of my life?  I have but one request:

You first.

The impression I get from your posts is that you want me to be part of the club.  I get that from a lot of bisexuals, juicers, and others.  What I am being accused of is dabbling in gear.  OH MY GOD, this is like accusing someone in Canada to have merely experienced with marijuana in their lifetime when 65% of Canadians have admitted as much, let alone the ones who did not admit to it but still did it.

This reminds me of this drunk bitch one of my friends was dating who would need to drink before playing soccer at university - even to start her day she needed to drink.  Once she drank so much she pee'd her pants in public.  She was just a total drunk fool.  Then what happened?  She caught my friend smoking a joint just outside Wal-Mart and flipped out on him.

LOL.

Or another good example: I know a couple constantly cheating on one another then freaking out on one another when they respectively get caught!  Unreal...

My lengthy history of whatever, is to the point where the best way I can be described is Mr. Clean.  When you think about me, think about a prude who is going to die regretting not using enough of whatever, not partying enough, not having enough sex.  I have not even drank a glass of wine since 2006.  I didn't have my first until 2003!

Another friend's mom loves eating bread.  I asked my friend if it's the same as getting off to her and she said no...but that's it probably better.  To me, I'm happy being 160 pounds and posting on getbig and making friends.  I don't need a lot of stimulation.  I look forward to posting online every day.  I can't say I think about sex anywhere near as often.  That's just how I am - very easily pleased.  I don't wear on my sleeve my being clean, to the contrary I often point out that such lack of enjoying oneself would probably make most people very unhappy.  It works for me though but I do slightly regret not dating more when I was younger but I was busy with school and didn't have the game to do it.

If I hit over 180 then perhaps it would be reasonable to assume I'm running something.  At 160, and despite some of my good lifts lately, I honestly can't understand why this would even cross anyone's mind.

Repeat after me: 160 pounds.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: abijahmaniaco on June 24, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
I rather look big than actually lift big... which I do...
right, the only people who are impressed about how much weight you lift are fellow gym rats. ::) you know the type... the ones that congregate around the bench presses and look around to see who's watching. if no one's watching they ask someone to come spot them (aka notice the retarded weight they're putting up for 2 reps). omg i swear i can't tolerate those frekin' meat-heads.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 24, 2011, 07:26:22 PM
Honestly Groink, I don't know what your problem is with me because I've certainly never had a problem with you.  Have I ever done anything to you personally that would personally merit you attacking me?  If so, what?  As for making a big deal out of this thread, I would generally agree but now that I have children, the dynamic has changed.  Ron has said as much.  He told me it was a different ballpark when he didn't have kids and the threats/problems he would get mattered less to him then.  When you have kids, things change.

I suck at being honest, said by someone hiding behind an anonymous screen name and layers of proxies.

Post under your REAL NAME, then when people accuse you of things which would put your two little children at risk, I will respect you.  Admittedly, there is no real risk here, but as my dad and Ron and Gaspari and many more can attest to, bullshit lawsuits can still have a cost.  Post some videos of you beating me in ANY lift and I will respect you.

You can't, you won't.

18 years of gear, 100 pounds more mass than me, and you can't out-lift someone who is barely 160 pounds and doesn't even look like he trains?  No wonder you desperately want to believe that I'm using everything under the sun.  This bears repeating again and again, I am 160 pounds and eat like a bird.  If you honestly think it takes gear to build my physique, I am shocked.  Yes, I'm much stronger than you which only shows how laughable your own progress is, but says nothing about my consuming gear.  Post under your real name and then let's see how "honest" you still are and what your lifts are.  And even if I was using gear, I'm still stronger than almost everyone on here.  God, how sad is that?

My ban from BB.com over posting Kai's grapefruit photos has since been lifted.  As for only posting on here for my own gain, I have multiple threads on here over the past week that collectively have thousands of views.  The pictures and videos I take at the contests are things everyone on bodybuilding boards want to see.  I'm not just spamming links, I'm posting actual relevant content.

One thing remains for certain though, when I took your advice and became pro-active about advancing my site, I was shocked about how right you were.  Making $3,000 a month on it [as you told me was possible in 2007] is not even close to the potential the site has.  Six sub-forums for supplement companies at $500 a month will get that.

As much as you became a jerk and decided to hate me over things that had nothing to do with me [my dad's lawsuit], I can't completely hate you because I honestly had no idea just how much potential my site had before you informed me.  Would I have ever stumbled upon someone who told me that?  Possibly, but quite possibly not.

Now put yourself in my shoes - your dad is getting sued over some bullshit YouTube clip and you have two small kids.  Do you keep running a website that is getting you multiple threats of litigation or do you quit, at least temporarily, until things get resolved?  At which point, I invited you back to the board and YOU refused.

Now you're getting mad at me why exactly?  Oh, because I'm not the gay steroid user which you want me to be.  Start posting under your real name and reveal all personal details about yourself and then you can tell me how dishonest I am.


I don't like you...you're a  snake who always plays the naive innocent.

I don't give a fuck about You, your shitty site or your personal life....no need to explain anything to me
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 24, 2011, 07:45:35 PM
YO MR CANNING

Try forming some other words, vis a vis, answering this .. because right now, both gh15 and I are passing you around like a rag doll and you're lucky Van isn't adding his opinion thus far ;)

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

Saying that, just stick to you current "avoid answering" bon mot .. its fucking hilarious .. thine surefeit grapes of gaiety, doth so verily deluge thine goblet!

LOL, Matt C... BUSTED!!!


lol Matt you muggy little bastard, it's late here and I CBA to out all you lies and postings from our mod forum when your site actually had traffic.....but if you haven't cried to Ron by the time I log on tomorrow I will.

You are a total closet homo and would still be a naive little wank stain if it were not for your eyes being opened by me and some of my friends.  Your ad hominem responses of gimmick this, proxy that and legal action guff are wearing a bit thin and you have become yet another GetBig drone. 

The best part of this is, what with you pulling the gimmick card, is your site is now simply you talking to YOUR own gimmicks, cu nt!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: SweetMuscles on June 24, 2011, 07:49:55 PM
MattC is a scumbag and all around lousy person. He used Jewish guys like Ron and Spec Ed to promote himself and his shitty website and get free legal advice to keep his ass out of jail (he was guilty btw). He repays them by spamming Getbig for a solid year with anti-semitic, holocaust-denying attention whore threads. He uses his wife to go out and earn the dollars as he looks at musclemen all day and posts about the glory of the white race. He used Woten to make his site popular then dropped him like a stone. All these people he uses and then discards. All the time playing the innocent and naive card.

Sly, deceptive, cowardly user.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Hulkotron on June 24, 2011, 07:50:11 PM
Lol...great post!!!

I was making fun of you you gotard.  But I agree it was a great post.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 24, 2011, 07:56:55 PM
MattC is a scumbag and all around lousy person. He used Jewish guys like Ron and Spec Ed to promote himself and his shitty website and get free legal advice to keep his ass out of jail (he was guilty btw). He repays them by spamming Getbig for a solid year with anti-semitic, holocaust-denying attention whore threads. He uses his wife to go out and earn the dollars as he looks at musclemen all day and posts about the glory of the white race. He used Woten to make his site popular then dropped him like a stone. All these people he uses and then discards. All the time playing the innocent and naive card.

Sly, deceptive, cowardly user.

Yes! Give that man a fu cking cigar!

I still remember the Vince Goodrum thread which in which Matt is literally creaming at his keyboard as DD/Wooten is laying down the truth on a magnitude of topics....
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: WillGrant on June 24, 2011, 08:15:56 PM




 This bears repeating again and again, I am 160 pounds and eat like a bird.  

Then this is more proof that you use AAS because without them in your system on the low cals you would not be bending bars like you are..... oh wait this is GetBig where all the natural genetic supermen in the world gather to show how they defy human physiology  ::) /
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 24, 2011, 09:21:37 PM
Mr Canning.

Why is it, pray tell, that you are home all fucking day looking at pre-teen TV (being mommy Canning) which is, I would estimate, right next door to the kitchen, fridge, cooker, blender.

So do enlighten us as to why it is that you can't get down 2gms of protein per lb of 'BW' every day, split between x6 meals, & a 'PWO' WPC80-shake??
Throw in the other macro's to make up the calories & your done!!

So, I ask again, with NO day job, how is it that you do not get your greasy arse in the kitchen every 2.5hrs?? is money an issue?? I though you would be a Billionaire by now, what with all the sound cash making advice you have had from some of us.
You are full of excuses (read as; shit) as you could also be running your weak ass site to it's full potential, being that you are home all day, why are you not??
Oh, & once you have answered those x2 questions, could you be a good little boy by addressing the one below that you have side stepped, shit, I forget how many times now...........
Tick tock

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your childrens lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".[/b]


LOL, Matt C... BUSTED!!!


PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 24, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
there is nothing here to guess,, matt c has used hormones ,, the reason is very simple ,,his body composition ,,over all weight ,, and over all strength while spotting this body composition ,, now he hasnt used any mega doses or anything to write home about,, but he has used

if you take a close look at matt c ...he is never in the double digit body fat,, always always tight waist,, always no visible abdominals due to water held RATHER THAN FAT!,,his is the mistake most of you fellas do...you confuse water for fat!,, he is always 8% always ..he just hold water like we profesional do...ofcourse its from orals

now as wil grant said ,,at 160...even 175 even 185.... to have this strength while maintinaing single digit bodyfat....to have that much strength while spotting no love handes and looking very hard when on.... is immposible with out the usage of hormones

and finaly inaddition to that ...to be AS STRONG AND AS CONDITIONED BECAUSE HE IS CONDITIONED! with such little food and say you dont eat at all etc...its possible BUT! only possible if you have enhanced help in your blood that will let you lift very heavy eventhough small 160lb fella

now if you really take matt c status,, you will see he is nto small at all,, he is small when he is 8%...but if he jumps it up to 15% the fella would sit at 200lb,, this is not small by any means,,

again friends,, it is all in the condition of the lifter not nesaserily weight,, the usage of hormones with matt c is spread as in use what you can bottle here bottle there whatever ,, but! but! if he actualy ate like he says he so want to ... then you would actualy see that this 160lb fella climb to 198-203lb of pretty much same condition and the hormonized from within will be revealed!

bodybuild is very very nasty activity that drag into it fellas you wont believe ,, fellons,, liars,, wanna bes,, supplement pushers,, anyone who want to nto work and make easy money come to bodybuild,, its just part of the cult friends,,just part of the cult

you will not belive how many lifters take anadrola on regular basis and just look full hard holding water but in the right place and with out it look soft like matt c look in expos,,and on it gain 10lb of blown up from within and just pump very well and look pretty impressive and their lifts are highly impressive,,its quite sad the cult you are part of but its all layed out for you black on white on getbig.com

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 24, 2011, 10:19:29 PM
lol Matt you muggy little bastard, it's late here and I CBA to out all you lies and postings from our mod forum when your site actually had traffic.....but if you haven't cried to Ron by the time I log on tomorrow I will.

You are a total closet homo and would still be a naive little wank stain if it were not for your eyes being opened by me and some of my friends.  Your ad hominem responses of gimmick this, proxy that and legal action guff are wearing a bit thin and you have become yet another GetBig drone.

The best part of this is, what with you pulling the gimmick card, is your site is now simply you talking to YOUR own gimmicks, cu nt!

Tom, please take the time to report on what you know regarding this tard Canning, his side stepping the fact that he has been busted is now pissing me off.
He is a cretin of the highest order, & needs to be put back in his box.
It seems from reading this thread, that most of the regular posters here are aware of the fact that Caning is a lying, using, fuck-wit, that will drop you like a piss soaked bed sheet when he is done with you.
I mean using his kids as another bull-shit excuse, "my kids were under threat" fuck off!! by who, you ponce.

So yeah, Canning is now Getbig's most obvious tool-bag.

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 24, 2011, 10:31:57 PM
bodybuild is very very nasty activity that drag into it fellas you wont believe ,, fellons,, liars,, wanna bes,, supplement pushers,, anyone who want to nto work and make easy money come to bodybuild,, its just part of the cult friends,,just part of the cult

gh15 approved

Haha, so true!!
I have heard it described as "the best place for any drug addicted slag to look for the next idiot to ponce off" anything to avoid getting a 9 to 5, is fair game - BB'ing when you scrape away the surface, is just full of con-artists, freaks & prostitutes.
Back stage at all the big events, prime example.
How do those (especially) female BB'ers who are not in the top 10 with decent endorsements, pay for their drug bill, life style in general.
Rhetorical.
We all know how, it's a fucking sick game 

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 24, 2011, 10:38:40 PM
its either you are from stable rich family,, or what you said... lol
and i can garentee you that the stable rich familys are not many ,,yes some are from money and their parents give them what they want,,there are fellas like that with full family suuport no matter what and just come from money ,, but most dont and what you said...well lol sadly its true

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: asbrus on June 24, 2011, 11:15:27 PM
its either you are from stable rich family,, or what you said... lol
and i can garentee you that the stable rich familys are not many ,,yes some are from money and their parents give them what they want,,there are fellas like that with full family suuport no matter what and just come from money ,, but most dont and what you said...well lol sadly its true

gh15 approved

H0W C0MM0N IS GAY F0R PAY? I'M TALKING ACTUALLY SLEEPING WITH TRANNIES AND GAY MEN T0 GET M0NEY F0R DRUGS. PRECENTAGE WISE?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Meso_z on June 24, 2011, 11:55:15 PM
Mr Canning.

Why is it, pray tell, that you are home all fucking day looking at pre-teen TV (being mommy Canning) which is, I would estimate, right next door to the kitchen, fridge, cooker, blender.

[b]So do enlighten us as to why it is that you can't get down 2gms of protein per lb of 'BW' every day, split between x6 meals, & a 'PWO' WPC80-shake??[/b]
Throw in the other macro's to make up the calories & your done!!


So, I ask again, with NO day job, how is it that you do not get your greasy arse in the kitchen every 2.5hrs?? is money an issue?? I though you would be a Billionaire by now, what with all the sound cash making advice you have had from some of us.
You are full of excuses (read as; shit) as you could also be running your weak ass site to it's full potential, being that you are home all day, why are you not??
Oh, & once you have answered those x2 questions, could you be a good little boy by addressing the one below that you have side stepped, shit, I forget how many times now...........
Tick tock

PT

Excuses. plus he wants to sound "special" in some way.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 25, 2011, 02:39:54 AM
PT - It's not lack of access to food that is my problem, I just genuinely have no appetite.  Is that so rare?  You've never met an ectomorph before?  Literally a bite of a protein bar gets me through half the day.  I'm telling you, it's family genetics on my mom's side.  If you hung around with me for a bit I think you might be impressed at how much energy I have on so few calories.  It's bad for bodybuilding though.

MattC is a scumbag and all around lousy person. He used Jewish guys like Ron and Spec Ed to promote himself and his shitty website and get free legal advice to keep his ass out of jail (he was guilty btw). He repays them by spamming Getbig for a solid year with anti-semitic, holocaust-denying attention whore threads. He uses his wife to go out and earn the dollars as he looks at musclemen all day and posts about the glory of the white race. He used Woten to make his site popular then dropped him like a stone. All these people he uses and then discards. All the time playing the innocent and naive card.

Sly, deceptive, cowardly user.

What was I guilty of?  Looking down while sitting in my car in a McDonald's parking lot with my friend?  ::)  It was a case of a police officer harassing my friend, plain and simple.  You can't just arrest a person talking in a car in a public parking lot with no weapons, no illegal activity transpiring, no nothing.  I am still in the position to sue the police over the incident, it was truly that out of line and ridiculous.  Yes, Ron and Special Ed did help me but I would also be happy to cross-promote their work if they are interested in that.  Also, I have many links to getbig on my site.  Every time I use one of Ron's pictures I post a link here.

And yes, I would agree that I posted too many politically incorrect threads on the war and race and so on, but that is not to say the content of the posts was wrong, but more the volume.  My mistake was derailing threads to talk about those things and that was inappropriate.  But I am a fair person and for what Ron and Special Ed did for me, I would repay them.  Admittedly I was a little overwhelmed with my initial racial awakening, prompted in no small part by Woten's posts, and had a hard time dealing with it.  But more and more on the internet these days, I find almost everyone is talking about these things.  The taboo nature of these topics is being shattered by the day.  Multiculturalism is failing all over the West.  I'm not the only one who has had these thoughts.  Looking back, I still maintain that my main problem was going off-topic and bringing up the issue in unrelated threads.  That is just not appropriate on a forum about oiled men in thongs.

As for Woten, I did not drop him from my site.  This also bears repeating.  I shut down my site temporarily as my dad was undergoing some BS lawsuit for a YouTube video he posted.  Yes, you can get sued for a million dollars for posting videos on YouTube, even when dozens of other users have the same video posted.  It sounds crazy but it's true.  I explained that I couldn't go into details about what was happening at the time but when the situation got resolved I invited Woten back to post on my board.

He refused or at least otherwise didn't respond.  It seemed to me that he had no interest to be honest.

Alright, so what was I supposed to do then?  A bad situation came up, I waited it out, attempted to resume things, and for whatever reason, some people don't believe my story.  If you want to read about my dad's lawsuit, it is literally plastered all over copyright law blogs on the net.  It's not like I'm making this up, it's quite easily verifiable.

I tried though and I didn't discard anyone.  :)  That's not what that was about.

there is nothing here to guess,, matt c has used hormones ,, the reason is very simple ,,his body composition ,,over all weight ,, and over all strength while spotting this body composition ,, now he hasnt used any mega doses or anything to write home about,, but he has used

if you take a close look at matt c ...he is never in the double digit body fat,, always always tight waist,, always no visible abdominals due to water held RATHER THAN FAT!,,his is the mistake most of you fellas do...you confuse water for fat!,, he is always 8% always ..he just hold water like we profesional do...ofcourse its from orals

now as wil grant said ,,at 160...even 175 even 185.... to have this strength while maintinaing single digit bodyfat....to have that much strength while spotting no love handes and looking very hard when on.... is immposible with out the usage of hormones

and finaly inaddition to that ...to be AS STRONG AND AS CONDITIONED BECAUSE HE IS CONDITIONED! with such little food and say you dont eat at all etc...its possible BUT! only possible if you have enhanced help in your blood that will let you lift very heavy eventhough small 160lb fella

now if you really take matt c status,, you will see he is nto small at all,, he is small when he is 8%...but if he jumps it up to 15% the fella would sit at 200lb,, this is not small by any means,,

again friends,, it is all in the condition of the lifter not nesaserily weight,, the usage of hormones with matt c is spread as in use what you can bottle here bottle there whatever ,, but! but! if he actualy ate like he says he so want to ... then you would actualy see that this 160lb fella climb to 198-203lb of pretty much same condition and the hormonized from within will be revealed!

bodybuild is very very nasty activity that drag into it fellas you wont believe ,, fellons,, liars,, wanna bes,, supplement pushers,, anyone who want to nto work and make easy money come to bodybuild,, its just part of the cult friends,,just part of the cult

you will not belive how many lifters take anadrola on regular basis and just look full hard holding water but in the right place and with out it look soft like matt c look in expos,,and on it gain 10lb of blown up from within and just pump very well and look pretty impressive and their lifts are highly impressive,,its quite sad the cult you are part of but its all layed out for you black on white on getbig.com

gh15 approved

Great post!!!

This thread really gets me excited to eat more.

The first bodybuilder I ever saw on video was none other than Nasser El Sonbaty on an A&E documentary which was about bodybuilding.  I think it was from an Arnold contest and I watched it in 2001.  My first reaction was "I need to look like this IMMEDIATELY" so I bought yet another tub of Cell-Tech shortly thereafter.

LOL...I think it's funny when I show girls photos of Nasser and they're like "Oh, his muscles are too big, please don't get that big".  LOL!!!!!!!  As if that would even be genetically possible for 99.9% of men, hahahaha.  Yeah, excuse me while I don't go swimming because I wouldn't want to swim as well as Michael Phelps, LOL.  Yeah, I'll try my best to not be 285 pounds and shredded, as if it would be a great challenge to NOT look like that, LOL.  I have to cut back on my training!  I fear becoming 285 pounds and shredded and handing Dorian his ass on stage!  ;D  Man, I would be lucky to break 200 on any of his mid to late nineties stacks.  I guess the general public doesn't understand these things though but whatever.  :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Parker on June 25, 2011, 02:56:30 AM
PT - It's not lack of access to food that is my problem, I just genuinely have no appetite.  Is that so rare?  You've never met an ectomorph before?  Literally a bite of a protein bar gets me through half the day.  I'm telling you, it's family genetics on my mom's side.  If you hung around with me for a bit I think you might be impressed at how much energy I have on so few calories.  It's bad for bodybuilding though.

What was I guilty of?  Looking down while sitting in my car in a McDonald's parking lot with my friend?  ::)  It was a case of a police officer harassing my friend, plain and simple.  You can't just arrest a person talking in a car in a public parking lot with no weapons, no illegal activity transpiring, no nothing.  I am still in the position to sue the police over the incident, it was truly that out of line and ridiculous.  Yes, Ron and Special Ed did help me but I would also be happy to cross-promote their work if they are interested in that.  Also, I have many links to getbig on my site.  Every time I use one of Ron's pictures I post a link here.

And yes, I would agree that I posted too many politically incorrect threads on the war and race and so on, but that is not to say the content of the posts was wrong, but more the volume.  My mistake was derailing threads to talk about those things and that was inappropriate.  But I am a fair person and for what Ron and Special Ed did for me, I would repay them.  Admittedly I was a little overwhelmed with my initial racial awakening, prompted in no small part by Woten's posts, and had a hard time dealing with it.  But more and more on the internet these days, I find almost everyone is talking about these things.  The taboo nature of these topics is being shattered by the day.  Multiculturalism is failing all over the West.  I'm not the only one who has had these thoughts.  Looking back, I still maintain that my main problem was going off-topic and bringing up the issue in unrelated threads.  That is just not appropriate on a forum about oiled men in thongs.

As for Woten, I did not drop him from my site.  This also bears repeating.  I shut down my site temporarily as my dad was undergoing some BS lawsuit for a YouTube video he posted.  Yes, you can get sued for a million dollars for posting videos on YouTube, even when dozens of other users have the same video posted.  It sounds crazy but it's true.  I explained that I couldn't go into details about what was happening at the time but when the situation got resolved I invited Woten back to post on my board.

He refused or at least otherwise didn't respond.  It seemed to me that he had no interest to be honest.

Alright, so what was I supposed to do then?  A bad situation came up, I waited it out, attempted to resume things, and for whatever reason, some people don't believe my story.  If you want to read about my dad's lawsuit, it is literally plastered all over copyright law blogs on the net.  It's not like I'm making this up, it's quite easily verifiable.

I tried though and I didn't discard anyone.  :)  That's not what that was about.

Great post!!!

This thread really gets me excited to eat more.

The first bodybuilder I ever saw on video was none other than Nasser El Sonbaty on an A&E documentary which was about bodybuilding.  I think it was from an Arnold contest and I watched it in 2001.  My first reaction was "I need to look like this IMMEDIATELY" so I bought yet another tub of Cell-Tech shortly thereafter.

LOL...I think it's funny when I show girls photos of Nasser and they're like "Oh, his muscles are too big, please don't get that big".  LOL!!!!!!!  As if that would even be genetically possible for 99.9% of men, hahahaha.  Yeah, excuse me while I don't go swimming because I wouldn't want to swim as well as Michael Phelps, LOL.  Yeah, I'll try my best to not be 285 pounds and shredded, as if it would be a great challenge to NOT look like that, LOL.  I have to cut back on my training!  I fear becoming 285 pounds and shredded and handing Dorian his ass on stage!  ;D  Man, I would be lucky to break 200 on any of his mid to late nineties stacks.  I guess the general public doesn't understand these things though but whatever.  :)
I remember that pic of Nasser or a similar one was on Flex, and girls and guys at the newstand were calling him nerd with muscles
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: WillGrant on June 25, 2011, 02:58:44 AM
Add EQ at 800mg to your next stack Matt - that will you have you eating genital warts out of whores cu_nts along with all the food you need , thats how hungry you will be.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Meso_z on June 25, 2011, 04:22:41 AM
PT - It's not lack of access to food that is my problem, I just genuinely have no appetite.  Is that so rare?  You've never met an ectomorph before?  Literally a bite of a protein bar gets me through half the day.  I'm telling you, it's family genetics on my mom's side.  If you hung around with me for a bit I think you might be impressed at how much energy I have on so few calories.  It's bad for bodybuilding though.

What was I guilty of?  Looking down while sitting in my car in a McDonald's parking lot with my friend?  ::)  It was a case of a police officer harassing my friend, plain and simple.  You can't just arrest a person talking in a car in a public parking lot with no weapons, no illegal activity transpiring, no nothing.  I am still in the position to sue the police over the incident, it was truly that out of line and ridiculous.  Yes, Ron and Special Ed did help me but I would also be happy to cross-promote their work if they are interested in that.  Also, I have many links to getbig on my site.  Every time I use one of Ron's pictures I post a link here.

And yes, I would agree that I posted too many politically incorrect threads on the war and race and so on, but that is not to say the content of the posts was wrong, but more the volume.  My mistake was derailing threads to talk about those things and that was inappropriate.  But I am a fair person and for what Ron and Special Ed did for me, I would repay them.  Admittedly I was a little overwhelmed with my initial racial awakening, prompted in no small part by Woten's posts, and had a hard time dealing with it.  But more and more on the internet these days, I find almost everyone is talking about these things.  The taboo nature of these topics is being shattered by the day.  Multiculturalism is failing all over the West.  I'm not the only one who has had these thoughts.  Looking back, I still maintain that my main problem was going off-topic and bringing up the issue in unrelated threads.  That is just not appropriate on a forum about oiled men in thongs.

As for Woten, I did not drop him from my site.  This also bears repeating.  I shut down my site temporarily as my dad was undergoing some BS lawsuit for a YouTube video he posted.  Yes, you can get sued for a million dollars for posting videos on YouTube, even when dozens of other users have the same video posted.  It sounds crazy but it's true.  I explained that I couldn't go into details about what was happening at the time but when the situation got resolved I invited Woten back to post on my board.

He refused or at least otherwise didn't respond.  It seemed to me that he had no interest to be honest.

Alright, so what was I supposed to do then?  A bad situation came up, I waited it out, attempted to resume things, and for whatever reason, some people don't believe my story.  If you want to read about my dad's lawsuit, it is literally plastered all over copyright law blogs on the net.  It's not like I'm making this up, it's quite easily verifiable.

I tried though and I didn't discard anyone.  :)  That's not what that was about.

Great post!!!

This thread really gets me excited to eat more.

The first bodybuilder I ever saw on video was none other than Nasser El Sonbaty on an A&E documentary which was about bodybuilding.  I think it was from an Arnold contest and I watched it in 2001.  My first reaction was "I need to look like this IMMEDIATELY" so I bought yet another tub of Cell-Tech shortly thereafter.

LOL...I think it's funny when I show girls photos of Nasser and they're like "Oh, his muscles are too big, please don't get that big".  LOL!!!!!!!  As if that would even be genetically possible for 99.9% of men, hahahaha.  Yeah, excuse me while I don't go swimming because I wouldn't want to swim as well as Michael Phelps, LOL.  Yeah, I'll try my best to not be 285 pounds and shredded, as if it would be a great challenge to NOT look like that, LOL.  I have to cut back on my training!  I fear becoming 285 pounds and shredded and handing Dorian his ass on stage!  ;D  Man, I would be lucky to break 200 on any of his mid to late nineties stacks.  I guess the general public doesn't understand these things though but whatever.  :)
no thanks
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 25, 2011, 04:28:30 AM
I remember that pic of Nasser or a similar one was on Flex, and girls and guys at the newstand were calling him nerd with muscles

whats wrong with nerd? nerd and dork is good,,beter than whores and narcotic addicts or drunks and sluts or cheaters and murderers...

dorks are ok ,,dorks with muscles even better,, only in americana the word dork is not good,, dork can be fine if you know how to play it right,, look at my pupil stavio...he is dorky and got the hottest chic in istanbul i mean canada...lol he got some good looking chic and he is not all nacrcotic abuser cheater drunk and the such ,,

dork is a wonderful thing when done right : )

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 25, 2011, 06:58:34 AM


again friends,, it is all in the condition of the lifter not nesaserily weight,, the usage of hormones with matt c is spread as in use what you can bottle here bottle there whatever ,, but! but! if he actualy ate like he says he so want to ... then you would actualy see that this 160lb fella climb to 198-203lb of pretty much same condition and the hormonized from within will be revealed!



It's funny that you call him out for juicing because it's undeniable, but you believe him when he says he doesn't eat. Him saying he eats less than you but is somehow bigger and stronger is just like him saying he doesn't take steroids but is somehow bigger and stronger and has 5x the delt of a natural 6 foot 200 pound black man for no reason. Maybe he's 1/64th african and this is where the back genes went lol. He eats as much as he can, though clean obviously, and after every workout if he doesn't have his protein shake he panics a little and his dinner has been chicken breast and broccoli or something which he hates to eat but it's what his hero told him to so he downs it no matter what. This is why he thinks he hates to eat, because eats SO MUCH shitty tasting good to become bigger.

Matt, people aren't really accusing you of being a juicer, they're accusing you of being a liar. To you this is nothing. You've chosen the one you want to imitate, his name is Norton, and you will copy everything from his stack to his fake positive attitude and the way he lifts and the way he lies because you think he has status and you want that status. But the only people who are impressed with you are other liars, and their compliments to you are fake just like their friendships just like your (lo)dead lift that you did in the squat rack where you lift 8 plates that are already 3 feet off the ground another 6 inches.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Stavios on June 25, 2011, 09:54:49 AM
whats wrong with nerd? nerd and dork is good,,beter than whores and narcotic addicts or drunks and sluts or cheaters and murderers...

dorks are ok ,,dorks with muscles even better,, only in americana the word dork is not good,, dork can be fine if you know how to play it right,, look at my pupil stavio...he is dorky and got the hottest chic in istanbul i mean canada...lol he got some good looking chic and he is not all nacrcotic abuser cheater drunk and the such ,,

dork is a wonderful thing when done right : )

gh15 approved

Fuck you I am not dork I am a thug !!!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: doriancutlerman on June 25, 2011, 09:58:19 AM
whats wrong with nerd? nerd and dork is good,,beter than whores and narcotic addicts or drunks and sluts or cheaters and murderers...

dorks are ok ,,dorks with muscles even better,, only in americana the word dork is not good,, dork can be fine if you know how to play it right,, look at my pupil stavio...he is dorky and got the hottest chic in istanbul i mean canada...lol he got some good looking chic and he is not all nacrcotic abuser cheater drunk and the such ,,

dork is a wonderful thing when done right : )

gh15 approved

I wouldn't say Stavs is dorky, though, gH.  Sure, he doesn't take himself too seriously (at least based on what I've seen) and is easy-going, but I don't see the dork part. 

You're right, though:  it's a shame nerds and dorks are looked down upon in the States.  That says a lot about many folks living here, or more specifically, their fucked mentality. 
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: no one on June 25, 2011, 10:08:57 AM


*racist thread reported*
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 25, 2011, 10:10:32 AM

It's funny that you call him out for juicing because it's undeniable, but you believe him when he says he doesn't eat. Him saying he eats less than you but is somehow bigger and stronger is just like him saying he doesn't take steroids but is somehow bigger and stronger and has 5x the delt of a natural 6 foot 200 pound black man for no reason. Maybe he's 1/64th african and this is where the back genes went lol. He eats as much as he can, though clean obviously, and after every workout if he doesn't have his protein shake he panics a little and his dinner has been chicken breast and broccoli or something which he hates to eat but it's what his hero told him to so he downs it no matter what. This is why he thinks he hates to eat, because eats SO MUCH shitty tasting good to become bigger.

Matt, people aren't really accusing you of being a juicer, they're accusing you of being a liar. To you this is nothing. You've chosen the one you want to imitate, his name is Norton, and you will copy everything from his stack to his fake positive attitude and the way he lifts and the way he lies because you think he has status and you want that status. But the only people who are impressed with you are other liars, and their compliments to you are fake just like their friendships just like your (lo)dead lift that you did in the squat rack where you lift 8 plates that are already 3 feet off the ground another 6 inches.
Which gimmick is this?

Hard to tell the who the gimmicks are without a program.  :(
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 25, 2011, 10:12:19 AM
Here`s an early shot of Stavios before he started training......he got sand kicked in his face all the time back in those days.

(http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33813.jpg?is=350,350,0xffffff)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Stavios on June 25, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Karma will get back to you guys  >:(

You will all catch clamedia of some shit like that  8) ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Dogma2010 on June 25, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
It seems to only happen in the US where they glorify being stupid. I've seen ad campaigns for Diesel where it was in big bold letters in front of the store "Be Stupid".

I remember being in high school and college and people would say things like nerd and my response would be, "what am I suppose to be? Stupid?"

Society today is literally geared to dumb you down. Shit flashing on the screen and jumping into your subconscious. People end up wondering why did I buy this random thing from the grocery store. Hmm...maybe it was the tv ad they spent over 500K on to get you and the rest of the world convinced that your life sucks and you need this random product to make your life worth something.

What this rant has to do with Kai at 21...nothing really. :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 25, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Karma will get back to you guys  >:(

You will all catch clamedia of some shit like that  8) ;D
I already got clamedia so there!!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Stavios on June 25, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
What this rant has to do with Kai at 21...nothing really. :)
oh dont worry it had nothing to do with matt C also ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 25, 2011, 05:33:16 PM
Firstly, paging Matt c:

Q) Matt Canning, swear on your children's lives that a) you never told Dan Duchaine (the ex mod at your forum) of your previous steroid cycles, of which, and according to your words, were comprised of somewhat more than "20mg per day of dianabol", and b) the screen shot presented here, indicting you as a steroid user was "doctored".

Secondly, if folks want the truth re: cunt canning and his gay pride website, read on.

To begin:

Along with myself and Dan Duchaine, the Getbig member named Evo (posting in this thread) was also one of several mods over at Matt Cannings (aka 'Matt C') forum last year.

As you might have noticed, Canning has singularly failed to answer the above question; he has also gone out of his way to peddle fabricated bullshit re: Dan Duchaine.

Canning knows that he BEGGED Dan Duchaine to return to his forum in 2010. However, Duchaine (by virtue of trying on prior occasion - in 2007, 2008 and 2009 - to get matt to do something with his site, and Cannings subsequent failure thereafter) was familiar with Matt, and more so his talent for being quite the useless cunt!

As both Evo and I can attest, it soon became apparent that Canning was once more giving us the runaround; failing abysmally to do remotely anything with his website; all the while playing the "kiddie card" ie: whining about being busy etc, claiming his kids were "in danger" for whatever bizarre reason; essentially all the same crap he is being observed to do on Getbig in 2011 LOL.

During this period, Duchaine - as Evo and I can corroborate - fully performed the PR duties as per Matt Canning's wishes ie: during his tenure at Canning's board, Duchaine created heavily controversial, unequivocally truthful, incredibly popular content, of which, flew in the face of "ass licker" canning's usual shitstained spam; in short, some of it was tabloid, some of it cutting edge science, but all of it fact based and watertight!

This content saw Matt's main gossip sub forum, for the first time, receiving 1000 visitors at anytime; these visitors were viewing the industry related scandal Duchaine was reporting. Much of this content was also responsible for BBpro becoming - for the first time - publicised by Anthony Roberts, RX Muscle Radio (After Hours), Author L rea and The DA Show. This was also responsible for BBpro climbing to 60,000 (from 120,000) in the Alexa rankings over the space of a several of short months.

Now, here is where we begin to delve into "schizo cunt" cannings bent mind.

Duchaines content was the most intense, controversial and fucked up (but factually correct) industry content found anywhere online; hell, even the pricks at Anabolic Society referred to him as "a genius" prior to asking him to join their site.

One topic up for discussion involved a large UK company that was being investigated for ripping off a client.

This topic saw several supps companies become embroiled in the affair, supps companies, of whom, and upon reading that which Dan and Evo were digging up, decided to 'try it on' and strong arm Matt C with legal threats.

None of the threats had any depth though, and Matt at no time exhibited concern for said threats. Indeed, and as Evo and I can testify, when the first threat came in, Matt notified Dan Duchaine, and in response to which, Dan's first question was: "Matt, what do you want to do at policy level? if you want to yield, you can; just let me know so I don't go against your wishes, it's your website after all, if you want to bail... bail".

In the face of this, Canning adopted a somewhat surprising position. Rather than assuming the subtle, concerned policy he claims herein to prefer, he actually went OUT OF HIS FUCKING WAY to tell us "I've had a mail from 'xyz UK supps company', can you write a reply to them, Dan? basically, tell them to fuck off in your hilarious way, fuck them good!"


THE ABOVE BEING FULLY VERIFIABLE BY BOTH MYSELF AND EVO; BUT ALSO DOCUMENTED IN THE FORUM DATABASE THAT MATT CAN RELEASE BUT WONT BY VIRTUE OF NOT WANTING TO INDICT HIMSELF! ;)

In another instance, one of the faggots Duchaine destroyed (and thus saw thousands of visitors coming to BBpro as a result) was ALRI's 'Author L Rea' [aka: Scott jensen]. This affair involved several threads, on several boards, all concerned with Duchaine's demolishing of Author's bullshit "Humapro".

Most of the original posts, now long gone, were witnessed by Getbig's Van_Bilderass. He can attest to their explosive content. Indeed, it was this Jensen episode that was responsible for the aforementioned interest expressed by the crew at Anabolic Society... it was also the episode that saw Duchaine receiving a death threat from Jensen LOL, at which point, Homo Canning's asshole decided it could take no more and he - without saying a word to Dan, Evo or myself - capitulated, thereafter sticking the knife into Dan, fully vindicating Duchaines view that Canning was a dirty, dicephalus ponce!

Incidentally, it's nice to see the many Getbiggers (Groink et al) whom appear to have garnered the same impression of Canning.

Here, below, is the thread wherein "ass kisser canning" attempts to stab over Duchaine, all whilst licking Author L Rea's ball bag LOL; Canning reveals himself to possess neither shame nor backbone... he has been shamefully boned from the back, but thats another matter!

Observe how canning is revealed for a TOTAL inconsistent loser by "fit'n'firm"; she is one of Authors lackies, but of whom, and none the less, saw through Canning's particular brand of transparent bullshit; here:

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=36942

Death threat here; Dan was actually scared of being OS'd (over-syntholed) by "Author L Mongol" LOL:

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showpost.php?p=1050797&postcount=7

^^^Scroll down to see the reply by "Heavyiron", his post quotes Duchaine's reply to Author LOL; Duchaine posted under the "BS2010" account.

Around this time, Canning got into bed with Alex23 and hatched a 'non too cunning' plan to try and snare Lord Duchaine; Duchaine got wind of their Machiavellian faggotry, and decided to procur a policy position from Canning. Duchaine asked Matt if he wanted to curtail the direction the forum had gone ie: could Matt give us some clue as to what he wanted?...

... But you know what, there was NO answer from Canning AT ANY TIME!

There was no "yes, lets stop", there was nothing, fuck all! Again, Evo and I can corroborate this.

Conversely Canning has ZERO proof to corroborate his claims about Duchaine, nothing. Indeed, Dan has asked Matt several times to present the evidence, yet all 'Twat C' can muster - and as Groink et al have noted - is peculiar vagary centered upon "danger to his kids/family" and other nonsense LOL; a total wet ponce!

To wit; If what we say is untrue, Canning could prove us as liars by simply releasing the database to the mod & secret forums, for all to view; he won't though, because to do so will indict himself on all manner of drug using, drug dealing, hate speech, "ron avidan" (amongst others) hating and ALRI (amongst others) slandering grounds!

Whether Ron Avidan (You can guess what Canning used to say about Ron), Mike Pulcinella (Canning used to joke about Mike's wife enjoying blacks, whilst simutaneously blowing Mike on the public forums), Squadfather (have we said Matt gave up Squadfathers home address?)  or whomever else Matt felt motivated to rip the piss out of (in both the mod lounge and secret forum, as both Evo and I can attest) Matt truly had - by that time - struck not only Duchaine, but also Evo and I as a rather dirty, two faced, whiny cunt!

It's nice to see Matt has left a similar impression upon many other members here.

Matt, you really need to have a word with yourself; perhaps seek professional psychiatric assistance?

There is much, much more (interest from Richard Warman, and the RCMP for example) but you get the point ;)

Matt eventually married his Kaposi Sarcoma covered, cock gobbling, HIV+ positive silver daddy; they all lived happily ever after, the end.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: gh15 on June 25, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
so wait a second,, matt c has been in bodybuild circles long time? is he havign that site for long time? is he realy in the insides that much? i didnt knwo he was so involved ,,tell the thunderdome more ,, id like to read

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 25, 2011, 06:21:06 PM
I had no idea about this. I've been pmed about being someone's gimmick an stuff, but I'm really not, I just love to talk trash on the internet. Sometimes I'm spot on wow
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: abijahmaniaco on June 25, 2011, 09:01:50 PM
I remember that pic of Nasser or a similar one was on Flex, and girls and guys at the newstand were calling him nerd with muscles
whats wrong with nerd? nerd and dork is good,,beter than whores and narcotic addicts or drunks and sluts or cheaters and murderers...
more evidince gh15 = nasser ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Meso_z on June 25, 2011, 09:02:35 PM
so wait a second,, matt c has been in bodybuild circles long time? is he havign that site for long time? is he realy in the insides that much? i didnt knwo he was so involved ,,tell the thunderdome more ,, id like to read

gh15 approved
:D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 02:02:53 AM
Canning, you wre getting raped in this thread, & from various angles, but shit........

The post no.159 by W8M8 has just sunk your battleship!!

Grease monkey, your way out of that one, slime bag.
I can just see the shit running down your leg as you read that post, I must say that it's...........
Fucking funny to watch you get nailed to the floor!!

Haha

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pellius on June 26, 2011, 04:29:02 AM
Revised and updated list of those that I never want to mess with.

gh15
pandeamonium
chaos
w8m8
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: doriancutlerman on June 26, 2011, 06:05:20 AM
Revised and updated list of those that I never want to mess with.

gh15
pandeamonium
chaos
w8m8

LOL.  I can run with that.

W8m8, pardon my ignorance, but are you Woten?  Elsewhere I read you were a gal.  Someone else suggested you are indeed a woman, but let Woten use your account from time to time.

Just curious  ???
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 06:53:13 AM
LOL.  I can run with that.

W8m8, pardon my ignorance, but are you Woten?  Elsewhere I read you were a gal.  Someone else suggested you are indeed a woman, but let Woten use your account from time to time.

Just curious  ???


No ..  I am not Woten .. No ..  he does NOT use my account ever .. I am a redneck girl in bumfuck NY who has the SAME beliefs and opinions as the Lord of the Manor.

Matt is a lowlife lying piece of shit who USES anyone he can to indulge whatever sick desire enters his mind ... he's been playing his innocent, unknowing, ignorant game for far too long ... he's now gone too far by trying to deflect his shenanigans by denegrating the integrity of others in the industry far superior to him.

Evo, Woten and I were mods on Matts board and we all know what went on over there... Pillowtalk was also a poster over there and saw all that went on.

Matts a fuckin liar... it wouldn't be so bad if he would simply shut the fuck up and cease calumniating Dans name while trying to paint himself as some sort of innocent party.

If Matt want these posts, and the truths therein, to stop... then he shall stop... simples!

Of course, if he wants to continue... then we can.

The cunt is a snake.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 07:11:22 AM
Revised and updated list of those that I never want to mess with.

gh15
pandeamonium
chaos
w8m8

W8M8 should be at the TOP of that list!! haha  ;)

LOL.  I can run with that.

W8m8, pardon my ignorance, but are you Woten?  Elsewhere I read you were a gal.  Someone else suggested you are indeed a woman, but let Woten use your account from time to time.

Just curious  ???

Listen, I will let you into a little secret, as I know Woten (AKA - Dan Duchain) off the board, as we are both from the 'UK' - although I now live in India.
So, the point is - Woten is every-where & no-where, all at the same time!! he could post from any account on this board, using methods that you & I will never have the ability to understand.
I personally think he is a ghost in the machine & can do anything on-line that he chooses.
As said I know the Guy behind the account, & being in the same room (even building) as him gives you this weird feeling that is a kinda mix of de-ja-vu, a cold sweat & static electricity running down your spine - all that same time.
TBH it spooks me out big time, & I think he plays on that.

Also, to be VERY clear on this, I am not W8M8 - she is neither my gimmick, nor me hers. We are two very separate people.

I post from Mumbai (India) & she posts from up-sate NY - so as you can see (& as Ron, also his Mods know) this is impossible.
However, my IP's have also come out of the Algarve (Portugal) & London. India is now my permanent residence & has been for a while now.

Look at some of the veterans here that have over 10K posts, what is the sig that they have?? "Woten is every-where & no-where, all at the same time" in fact Will Grant on the last page is a classic example.

Hope this helped clear the issue up for you.

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 08:33:07 AM
I remember that pic of Nasser or a similar one was on Flex, and girls and guys at the newstand were calling him nerd with muscles

Glasses = intelligence.  :D

I laugh every time a girl tells me "Matt, please don't get as big as Nasser".  LOL...these people think you just work out and you will get bigger and bigger and you have to decide when to stop.

Add EQ at 800mg to your next stack Matt - that will you have you eating genital warts out of whores cu_nts along with all the food you need , thats how hungry you will be.

I hope so.  It makes sense that appetite would rise with demands of the cycle.  I don't care about bodybuilding as much as I used to, although I would like to be fit if I plan to continue to review supplements and so on.


It's funny that you call him out for juicing because it's undeniable, but you believe him when he says he doesn't eat. Him saying he eats less than you but is somehow bigger and stronger is just like him saying he doesn't take steroids but is somehow bigger and stronger and has 5x the delt of a natural 6 foot 200 pound black man for no reason. Maybe he's 1/64th african and this is where the back genes went lol. He eats as much as he can, though clean obviously, and after every workout if he doesn't have his protein shake he panics a little and his dinner has been chicken breast and broccoli or something which he hates to eat but it's what his hero told him to so he downs it no matter what. This is why he thinks he hates to eat, because eats SO MUCH shitty tasting good to become bigger.

Matt, people aren't really accusing you of being a juicer, they're accusing you of being a liar. To you this is nothing. You've chosen the one you want to imitate, his name is Norton, and you will copy everything from his stack to his fake positive attitude and the way he lifts and the way he lies because you think he has status and you want that status. But the only people who are impressed with you are other liars, and their compliments to you are fake just like their friendships just like your (lo)dead lift that you did in the squat rack where you lift 8 plates that are already 3 feet off the ground another 6 inches.

Watch this video immediately:

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 09:02:16 AM
Reading this thread is beginning to make me wonder if I have a gimmick account or if I am indeed not a gimmick myself,or a gimmick of a gimmick,or if a gimmick shares my account or what, with other gimmicks................ .................  :-X

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 09:03:01 AM
Listen, I will let you into a little secret, as I know Woten (AKA - Dan Duchain) off the board, as we are both from the 'UK' - although I now live in India.
So, the point is - Woten is every-where & no-where, all at the same time!! he could post from any account on this board, using methods that you & I will never have the ability to understand.

Woten gave me the idea to start paying attention to my site, updating the code, etc.  I initially started it because I was interested in working out as a hobby and didn't expect anyone else to actually read it.  Woten gave me this advice:

Quote
with adverts alone you would surely be looking at an easy 3,000 per month, imagine if you had several sites, I bet a nice return could be made

This was in 2007 by the way.

I admit, I had never really thought of it before then.  Of course this was just an idea.  How I choose to implement that idea is based on how much work I want to put in.  Kind of like how people say Facebook was created by the Winklevoss brothers.  Granted, Zuckerberg stole the idea, but it was his programming and technical skills which created the site.

But still, I wonder if I would have even thought about fixing up the code on my site had it not been for Woten suggesting I do it.  Then my family gets sued and I shut down the site temporarily, verify all of my claims, and he still treats it as if I banned him from the site.  ::)

Ok, I apologize.  The lawsuit against my dad was all faked and secretly put in place to run Woten off the board.  Yeah, that's it.  ::)

The more he attacks me the more I realize he really wants a stake in my site.  It's flattering and really makes me motivated because it's his way of saying he knows my site has potential.  The accusations of currently running gear are also flattering, proof that I obviously have decent strength or else it wouldn't be brought up at all.  Admittedly, even I was impressed with my lifts lately but I suspect I've been at this level for a while and not wanting to attempt anything approaching five plates was merely a psychological barrier.

At the end of the day, Woten will never post under his real name and never attend an expo.  At least Anthony Roberts has the balls to post a blog using his real name thus adding credibility to his posts.  Woten can make up any claim he wants but until those claims are either verified or assigned to a real human being, they won't matter all that much.  When things are said which have the potential of putting the lives of my children at risk, no matter how small that potential may be, I have to object.  One thing I have learned though [and take it from Dave Palumbo, Bob, Shawn, and others] is that none of this stuff gets brought up in person, just addressed anonymously and vaguely online.  Woten doesn't want freedom of speech, he wants to post illegal claims like unverified lab reports showing Gaspari under-doses his products.  Such a claim could be devastating to Ron if Gaspari decided to sue him over that.  I completely support a free board, but when it comes to speech that has potential for a libel suit, I have to object.  Ask Ron for his opinion on this and he will tell you the same thing.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 09:09:54 AM
Reading this thread is beginning to make me wonder if I have a gimmick account or if I am indeed not a gimmick myself,or a gimmick of a gimmick,or if a gimmick shares my account or what, with other gimmicks................ .................  :-X



I only have one gimmick on the board, "Primemuscle", which I use to bump up some of my threads.  ;)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 09:12:37 AM
Free speech is one thing,but some shit just goes overboard and that`s when a motherf ucker can get hurt.

If this was real life, where I come from,there`d have been some casualties over the years.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 09:13:45 AM
I only have one gimmick on the board, "Primemuscle", which I use to bump up some of my threads.  ;)
Having one makes it too easy to keep track of your gossip,c`mon Matt where`s your balls,at least create a few more..........get with it dude!!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
Free speech is one thing,but some shit just goes overboard and that`s when a motherf ucker can get hurt.

If this was real life, where I come from,there`d have been some casualties over the years.

There are a lot of good points made in post #159.  It's a fact that Dan Duchaine's content did quickly bring my site up to around the top 60,000 of sites online rather quickly.  But at the time, with a little baby, then with two little babies, it was impossible for me to dedicate the time necessary to adequately put in the work to advance my site.  A lot of the coding problems was work I could not do with a toddler mashing on my keyboard when I am trying to do frustrating fixes to decade old code.

My dad getting sued compounded matters.  I was not going to deal with three separate legal threats of my own while he was literally served a lawsuit - not just a threat, but an actual lawsuit.

I had to shut down the board.  When I reopened it I explained matters, invited [even insisted] that Dan rejoin the board, and he chose instead to believe that I ran him off the site.  He's making it sound like I did that when the reality is that he had the chance to resume things before and chose against it.  Sorry, but it's simply untrue that I told Dan to leave, that is completely untrue.  Yes, this happened temporarily, but I later explained the reason [family lawsuit].  Most in my shoes would have made the same decision.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
But at the time, with a little baby, then with two little babies, it was impossible for me to dedicate the time necessary to adequately put in the work to advance my site.  A lot of the coding problems was work I could not do with a toddler mashing on my keyboard when I am trying to do frustrating fixes to decade old code.

I admit that my board had potential but my dad getting sued compounded matters.  I was not going to deal with three separate legal threats of my own while he was literally served a lawsuit - not just a threat, but an actual lawsuit.

I had to shut down the board.  When I reopened it I explained matters, invited [even insisted] that Dan rejoin the board, and he chose instead to believe that I ran him off the site.  He's making it sound like I did that when the reality is that he had the chance to resume things before and chose against it.  Sorry, but it's simply untrue that I told Dan to leave, that is completely untrue.  Yes, this happened temporarily, but I later explained the reason [family lawsuit].  Most in my shoes would have made the same decision.

Do you have problems with amnesia?? as you seem to have posted the same shit, since page x2 of this thread.
I was just wondering if you have issues, as I am sure that even a cretin of the highest order (that's you BTW) could not be this repetitive.

Oh, & you did not answer my VERY  simple question = "how was it that you felt your kids were in danger, & who from" (I learned this trick from a psychiatrist I see)

PT


Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from:  Matt C
with adverts alone you would surely be looking at an easy 3,000 per month, imagine if you had several sites, I bet a nice return could be made

See, Getbiggers, from the above quote - provided by Matt C - one can observe there to be a database of Canning's old forum (where both he and Dan would converse) we'd like to thank him for revealing that fact to the world LOL.

It is however, a shame he refuses to make said database public; preferring instead to employ 'snippets' here and there.

Since Matt wishes to assert that everyone other than him is making "groundless claims", and since Matt is the one whom will not release the database (by virtue that said database would corroborate Dans claims) one can only conclude Canning to be quite the guilty fruit!

Yeah, Matt, you are so correct; Dan "obviously wants a stake in your site"... that's why he, Evo and I, oh I dunno, all left after asking you to delete our accounts; WE WASHED OUR HANDS OF YOU! mongol!

Addendum to the above: Matt was told by a colleague to cease and desist calumniating Mr Duchaine; however, and in light of Canning's previous post, it appears Matt Canning wishes the perpetuation of this affair? but no matter, the game is fun, to wit:

so wait a second,, matt c has been in bodybuild circles long time? is he havign that site for long time? is he realy in the insides that much? i didnt knwo he was so involved ,,tell the thunderdome more ,, id like to read

gh15 approved

Well, gh15, in the context of which [I believe] you refer, Matt has not been in "bodybuilding circles" for a long time. However, matt has been doing his 'thing' with his bodybuilding site for years now.

He seems more comfortable in his virtual schmoe world; however over the last few months, Canning has began venturing out. It's only a matter of time though, before those ventures turn to shit, he will play something wrong, mark my words.

Canning's site came about, arguabley, by accident more so than by design ie: over the years, Matt would just add any old shit to it - supps reviews, DVD reviews etc - thus thereafter BBpro would find itself subsequently indexed by search engines and Matt, in a somewhat unbeknownst fashion, came to possess a website with potential, fair enough.

The only problems being: a) Matt himself had no clue of the potential therein, and b) is incapable of doing anything with his website by virtue that he is the archetypal lazy fuck; his world so full of "danger and family threats"! LOL

gh15, I'll tell you a little story involving Matt and some European steroid dealers.

We had a couple of firms sniffing around for advertising; Duchaine knew one of them in an associative kind of way from a few years back.

Duchaine explained to them that whilst bbpro appeared to be a shitpile of random bopdybuilding articles, with a cretin for an admin etc, it was in fact a huge site with a good amount of traffic; that it subsequently possessed an alexa ranking on par (and in some cases better than) one or two of the top bodybuilding websites (not sure which, but I believe professional muscle was one, possibly outlaw muscle? not sure, but the point stands).

Professional muscle was pulling down (as you are no doubt aware) a high end six figures from advertising alone; anyone whom has seen the banner ads, and the concurrent advertising rates therein, followed by some simple math, could observe suchlike to be the case. Canning had NO clue of this; he possessed fuck all knowledge of just how much these other sites were pulling down, much less the potential worth of his site. He was honestly flabbergasted when Dan Duchaine presented him with the figures. Incidentally, this "education" was just another aspect of Dan "waking Matt up" to how corrupt most forums are, vis a vis, the fact that all of the large forums (and all of the mods therein the steroid forums) are in bed with not only UG labs, but also supps and ancillaries companies alike... to the tune of millions of dollars each year.

It was Dan Ducahine whom opened Canning's eyes on that score. Not in a roundabout way (of the type most forum members will post) but with specific examples and figures; you know the score gh15, you'll understand ;)

Moving on; we had a couple of firms approach us; Duchaine explained to Matt that it would be a good money spinner to work with the various labs (some based in Moldova, others not) but that Matt would HAVE to pull his thumb from his ass and renovate the website. You have to understand, Duchaine presented Matt with a plan to get into bed with some UG labs, of whom, and unbeknownst to Canning, were very big labs.

These labs were interested in advertising - by virtue of the fact bbpro had a good amount of 'thru traffic' ie: lots of folks passing through. Dan had convinced them of that; of the potential economic utility represented by bbpro and it's attendant thru traffic etc.

However, their interest was predicated on the website being revamped... and guess who was making promises of revamping things? yeah, twat C. Like his head, Canning's promises are empty.

At this point, Dan asked Matt if he [canning] wanted to go ahead with this, if he wanted to get into bed with a few choice contacts etc. Dan outlined clearly that some of these firms - as gh15 you can attest - are not to be messed about etc. Canning, replied in the affirmative, AT NO POINT giving any indication other than "yeah, lets go".

Now, as Dan knew how much of a lacklustre twat Canning was/is, he SPECIFICALLY requested from Matt, a timeline (read "a date") for the revamped site to be in place. Canning gave Dan a promise that work would be completed, that he [canning] had "notified his web master; that the work shall be done by "xyz" etc.

With that, Dan was making arrangements behind the scenes with two particular UG labs in Eastern Europe; giving them assurances that everything will be in place by "xyz".

Yeah, you guessed it, Matt Canning let the whole fucking show down!

As it became apparent that the useless twat had scuppered not only the potential deals that were on the table, but also heavily jeopardized Dan, you can imagine Mr Duchaine was not too happy; yeah ok, Dan should have known better than to attempt to do business with a ponce like Canning, fair enough, hands up on that front.

I have to emphasise, it must not be underestimated what Duchaine had been discussing with his contacts. It had been outlined to matt, that the ongoing discussions were covering many aspects, everything from advertising, thru storage, re-mailing and production - all of which canning was quite happy with.

As said, it was all fucked up on account of canning's bone idle and incompetent ways. At NO point did Canning ever say "I want out", indeed - and conversely - he in fact was like an excitable, keen little kid going into this.

gh15, you can confirm this, but - and I'll tell you straight - Matt has no idea of how close he came on that occasion; honestly, if he had made his way to a show in Europe that year, the fuckers legs would have been done! If "Mouth Canning" doubts that, let him mail me at his site with the time and date of his entering the EU, more so Latvia, Poland or Estonia - or other 'suitable' nation - and we'll see how it goes.

After this, the latest in the long line of dopey Matt's bodybuilding 'business' fuck ups, it was decided "enough was enough". Dan had been vindicated - a little burnt, and to a degree embarrassed - but none the less vindicated; the above shenanigans (thereafter stacked with matts rimming of Alex23) was enough for Dan to, finally, assert matt canning to be persona non grata, and fuck him off down the road.

Honestly, if anyone doubts Matt to be an incompetent clown, then by all means, go into business with him.

Oh and, don't even get me started on the MANY MANY MANY FUCKIN MANY times Canning would beg guru Dan to discuss "establishing a North American counterfeit supps ring", the many times of which were ignored by Dan, and now Idiot Canning knows why LOL.

Evo can corroborate the above nugget; Canning does "irritating, inert bastard" like nobody else!


Honestly, and as the old axiom goes "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink"; however, and attendant to this, there are some horses you wouldn't mind seeing clubbed and left to drown in said water, but hey :)

Come on Matt, lets have the counter point, lets hear the "piss and wind" rebuttal.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 10:25:01 AM
Woten gave me the idea to start paying attention to my site, updating the code, etc.  I initially started it because I was interested in working out as a hobby and didn't expect anyone else to actually read it.  Woten gave me this advice:

This was in 2007 by the way.

I admit, I had never really thought of it before then.  Of course this was just an idea.  How I choose to implement that idea is based on how much work I want to put in.  Kind of like how people say Facebook was created by the Winklevoss brothers.  Granted, Zuckerberg stole the idea, but it was his the programming and technical skills of the 'Mossad' IT think tank in Israel, which created the site.

Woten?? that is 'Dr Duchain' to you, oh lesser being of little, if any potential.
& what pray tell does it matter when he gave the advice?? as with-out it you would still be scratching your balls.
Wanker!!

But still, I wonder if I would have even thought about fixing up the code on my site had it not been for Woten 'Dr Duchain'suggesting I do it.  Then my family gets sued and I shut down the site temporarily, verify all of my claims, and he still treats it as if I banned him from the site.  ::)

Ok, I apologize.  The lawsuit against my dad was all faked and secretly put in place to run Woten off the board.  Yeah, that's it.  ::)

Same excuses over & over, you have heard the term 'broken record' I take it??
Prick!!



The more he attacks me the more I realize he really wants a stake in my site.  It's flattering and really makes me motivated because it's his way of saying he knows my site has potential.  The accusations of currently running gear are also flattering, proof that I obviously have decent strength or else it wouldn't be brought up at all.  Admittedly, even I was impressed with my lifts lately but I suspect I've been at this level for a while and not wanting to attempt anything approaching five plates was merely a psychological barrier.

At the end of the day, Woten will never post under his real name and never attend an expo.  At least Anthony Roberts has the balls to post a blog using his real name thus adding credibility to his posts.  Woten can make up any claim he wants but until those claims are either verified or assigned to a real human being, they won't matter all that much.  When things are said which have the potential of putting the lives of my children at risk, no matter how small that potential may be, I have to object.  One thing I have learned though [and take it from Dave Palumbo, Bob, Shawn, and others] is that none of this stuff gets brought up in person, just addressed anonymously and vaguely online.  Woten doesn't want freedom of speech, he wants to post illegal claims like unverified lab reports showing Gaspari under-doses his products.  Such a claim could be devastating to Ron if Gaspari decided to sue him over that.  I completely support a free board, but when it comes to speech that has potential for a libel suit, I have to object.  Ask Ron for his opinion on this and he will tell you the same thing.

You have been warned Canning, keep on putting 'Dr Duchiane' down & see where it leads, I for one hope you do!! hahahahaha
Tosser, soaked in the cum of 'prime muscle' that you are.
I have never posted under my real name either, there are few of us who do. &  pray tell, this proves what exactly?? look at where it has landed you!! in a world of shit.
This could all end very badly for you Canning, because we all know who you are & more importantly, where to find your cum stained arse........
Sleep tight.
Cum breath.

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 10:33:14 AM
Someone please lock this shitty thread.

It`s like a fucking car accident that I keep coming back to just to witness the aftermath............... .....ridiculous aftermath that no one could care less about.

Get a life and move the fuck on.......GEEZUS!!
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: doriancutlerman on June 26, 2011, 10:35:24 AM

No ..  I am not Woten .. No ..  he does NOT use my account ever .. I am a redneck girl in bumfuck NY who has the SAME beliefs and opinions as the Lord of the Manor.

Danke for the clarification, m'lady.  And mad props for classifying yourself as a redneck girl ;)

In so far as Matt is concerned, the only thing I know about him is that he kept calling his chest a "sunken treasure" a few years back.  I want to like him but the "why are you being so mean" stuff does seem incredibly disingenuous  :-X
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 10:36:30 AM
I keep coming back to just to

you can choose not to come back to the thread

Matt is not above being called out for what HE is posting anymore than anyone else
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 10:39:45 AM
Someone please lock this shitty thread.

It`s like a fucking car accident that I keep coming back to just to witness the aftermath............... .....ridiculous aftermath that no one could care less about.

Get a life and move the fuck on.......GEEZUS!!

With all due respect, & I have no beef with you, but stop rubber necking already.
It's like the TV, just flip the channel already  ;)

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 10:40:50 AM
you can choose not to come back to the thread

Matt is not above being called out for what HE is posting anymore than anyone else
I think calling him out over and over, and him not answering you over and over is a form of insanity.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Cleanest Natural on June 26, 2011, 10:41:11 AM
pillow aka w8m8 running high on test lol
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
Carry on kiddies!!  :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 10:42:57 AM
Do you have problems with amnesia?? as you seem to have posted the same shit, since page x2 of this thread.
I was just wondering if you have issues, as I am sure that even a cretin of the highest order (that's you BTW) could not be this repetitive.

Oh, & you did not answer my VERY  simple question = "how was it that you felt your kids were in danger, & who from" (I learned this trick from a psychiatrist I see)

PT




How were my children in danger?  Is this a serious question?

My dad was being sued for a million dollars and it was quite possibly going to result in his assets being rearranged in such a manner where I would be responsible for them.  Yeah, I was going to risk being sued so that those assets be put in jeopardy and lose it all so that I could run a free-for-all forum.  You can't be serious here.  There was a very real legal matter that was ongoing and it was possible I would get swooped up in it, let alone the threats/legal intimidation I was getting from some companies.  Real or not, bogus lawsuits can have consequences.  Ask Ron who worked for a company that got sued and still had to pay $30,000 in legal fees and could not counter-sue for legal costs because the judge deemed the suit to be reasonable.

Here is a photo of my dad's lawsuit which I posted when all this was happening:

http://tinyurl.com/3addvom

But yeah, I must have been making all that up right?

You ask why I keep repeating myself and it's because the same points are being repeated against me and I am explaining them in the same way, over and over again, hoping that some people get it.

See, Getbiggers, from the above quote - provided by Matt C - one can observe there to be a database of Canning's old forum (where both he and Dan would converse) we'd like to thank him for revealing that fact to the world LOL.

That I communicated through PM to individual posters should not be some great controversy.  What was great was the advice, and I am grateful for having received it.  I guess when you add an article or two a day for many years, you will eventually be sitting on a large content-driven website.  It was in fact Dan who woke me up to this.  The content was still my work and time, but the suggestion/idea was his.  I concede that.

Yeah, Matt, you are so correct; Dan "obviously wants a stake in your site"... that's why he, Evo and I, oh I dunno, all left after asking you to delete our accounts; WE WASHED OUR HANDS OF YOU! mongol!

Yeah, but you keep following my posts around for some reason and bringing up the "good old days" as it were.  Maybe you're just bitter that you think I ran you off the boards when I have explained dozens of times by now what happened.

Professional muscle was pulling down (as you are no doubt aware) a high end six figures from advertising alone; anyone whom has seen the banner ads, and the concurrent advertising rates therein, followed by some simple math, could observe suchlike to be the case. Canning had NO clue of this; he possessed fuck all knowledge of just how much these other sites were pulling down, much less the potential worth of his site. He was honestly flabbergasted when Dan Duchaine presented him with the figures. Incidentally, this "education" was just another aspect of Dan "waking Matt up" to how corrupt most forums are, vis a vis, the fact that all of the large forums (and all of the mods in the steroid forums) are in bed with not only UG labs, but also supps and ancillaries companies alike... to the tune of millions of dollars each year.

Bang on about how Dan woke me up to many things, not the least of which are outlined here.

Other examples would be how bent the supplement companies were.  I mean, is it really so naive or unreasonable that I once thought protein products were dosed accordingly?  Dan really woke me up to how much of a scam some companies are - possibly most.  It's similar to Nasser's comments on PBW about just how many pros use synthol.  Initially I thought that the only pros who used it were the ones with obvious lumps but in reality, almost all of them use it and the ones with obvious lumps are just the ones who use a larger amount of it or get caught due to improper usage.  Again, I was oblivious to many things.

This is why Dan is actually in many ways an asset to the boards.  Some odd things he did included encouraging me to put a scat porn sub-board up which I truly think was for his own personal benefit.  ;D  I can understand a generic "Adults" board like Ron has on here but some of the fetish sub-genres are going to deter visitors.  It's as if Dan thought everyone had the same interests as he did in that sense.  In other ways, he was bang on, busting out post after post with great material.  Some of the posts crossed the line, most did not, but at the time I could not deal with more litigation or threats thereof, with a small family to take care of.  Maybe I was just being overprotective with an eight week old baby in the house and a 14 month old, but I have no regrets about my decision to temporarily shut down the board.  Yes, I miss the lost traffic but it had to be done.  I had my family's interests in mind and to state that I did what I did to somehow ban Dan from my site is absolutely untrue.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: wes on June 26, 2011, 10:45:40 AM
See people,my few postings,have ensured that the thread will go on for at least another 8 pages........possibly even nine !!  ;D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 11:01:22 AM
That I communicated through PM to individual posters

LOL, fuck off with your implication that there was no secret forum

Matt, swear on your kids lives there was no secret forum ( aside from the MOD forum )?

it's nice to see you are also unable to swear to the steroid question... LOL retard!

You are all over the place... busted and washed out like a sponge!

Oh and, of course one would have a sub forum for scat... as we did for schoolgirls and trannies, you stupid bastard!

One only has to look at the mess your main site was in to see you have NO idea of such organisational structure!

You no doubt have your gay porn in the same folder as your big black cock cuckold muck!

Finally... whats it feel like to know many here think you are a spineless, two-faced lying cunt?

Think well my little scumbag
I know for a FACT you pm'd a poster on BBPro and said " PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE stay I am going to BAN Dan Duchaine
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: pillowtalk on June 26, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
pillow aka w8m8 running high on test lol

Fuck off Sebastian, you One trick pony show.
Oh, W8M8 is Pillowtalk, can we count how many times you post that retarded shit.
Nope, we don't have enough fingers.

What solid posts do you ever bring to the table??
Look at what has been posted on the industry, & general gossip in just x4 pages of this thread.
& you have brought what?? oh yeah, your broken record  ::)

Romanians, FFS - get some tarmac on your street, & we might take you seriously............... ..
Till then, get  a car with decent suspension.
 

PT
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 11:20:20 AM
^  LOL  ;D

He posted a lovely photo of himself along with his male friend on their 10 year anniversary trip to the beach just the other day  :)

They still look very happy together .. he must do him right  :D
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 26, 2011, 02:04:20 PM
So things make a lot more sense now. The question I had before was why would Dan D. put so much effort to get traffic to Matt C's forum, well because he was going to be the middle man between Matt C and UG labs. So even though Matt C would be profiting hugely, he would also be assuming all the risks. Is this correct? For Matt C to take on this risk is foolish because he was already known as kind of a girl, right? So he had to ask himself why is Dan D handing him a deal with two UG companies when he has reason to resent him.

My conclusion is that Matt C understood the risks and in the end decided not to take the plunge, especially as he started to receive death threats already. Can you imagine how much control Dan would have over Matt because Matt was so green and new to this whole thing, and at the same time would be assuming all the risk? Am I incorrect to assume Dan operates off US soil? This would greatly reduce his risk.

So this whole thing smells like Dan D tried to take advantage of Matt C, Matt C either got scared or smelled it coming, and now Dan and all the others who stood to gain resent Matt C because all the time they invested didn't pay off. Why doesn't Dan create his own website if he can both create traffic and has connections? Too much risk. What other answer is there?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Swlabr on June 26, 2011, 02:12:44 PM
I thought Dan Duchaine died in 2000?
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 26, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
LOL, fuck off with your implication that there was no secret forum

Matt, swear on your kids lives there was no secret forum ( aside from the MOD forum )?

it's nice to see you are also unable to swear to the steroid question... LOL retard!

You are all over the place... busted and washed out like a sponge!

Oh and, of course one would have a sub forum for scat... as we did for schoolgirls and trannies, you stupid bastard!

One only has to look at the mess your main site was in to see you have NO idea of such organisational structure!

You no doubt have your gay porn in the same folder as your big black cock cuckold muck!

Finally... whats it feel like to know many here think you are a spineless, two-faced lying cunt?

Think well my little scumbag
I know for a FACT you pm'd a poster on BBPro and said " PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE stay I am going to BAN Dan Duchaine


I have no dog in this fight ...they deserve each other, but I crack up the way this guy thinks people have to answer to him.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 02:41:36 PM

I have no dog in this fight ...they deserve each other, but I crack up the way this guy thinks people have to answer to him.

no it's not that .. Alex was called out and raped over shit that went down on Alpha .. Block and Ed get called on their stuff ... Palumbo gets roasted .. Romano and Anthony butchered .. Vince and Basile all get called out .. shit gh15 even Chick deal with conflict a lot here

Matt is not above the same tone of postings that are dished out to others

He is not any different IMHO than anyone else .. why is he not being held to the same standard of facing what conflict that is coming in return to what he is posting ?


it's Getbig .. and Matt saying stuff he should be real sure can't be disputed
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 26, 2011, 03:47:47 PM
Why am I being called everyone's gimmick account? Before you call me names and such, which you're really calling Matt C, try viewing my post history. I am literally impartial. You have answered nothing. You can't explain what incentive Dan had to help Matt. Dan apparently has connections with powerful people, so Dan is apparently a man of status in this internet bbing thing, so why is he giving Matt a traffic and money.

You say Matt C seemed eager, yeah ok, so what. What does that prove, that he knew what he was doing? Clearly he didn't because look at what happened. That Matt is somewhat incompetent is clear even to me, look at the content of his posts - everything is obviously deceptive.

One more thing, you are making a mistake by saying all of this is proven in some database that won't be released but apparently there are screen shots of it somewhere. But what is going to be proven? You say he was eager to take control of this thing and that can be proven, no it can't. Whether he was eager or not can not be proven ok, what can be proven is whether he tried to convince dan/you/whoever that he was eager. If he was really eager he would have done what he said he would do. That he didn't means that his apparent eagerness was a deception. He led you on, don't you get it, he wasn't really eager to do squat.

Please explain why Dan was doing all of this for Matt C. Just because you have insider status and you say some evidence exists somewhere on some planet doesn't mean you can get away with leaving important information out.

I'm no one's gimmick, I am some creep on the interweb trying to satisfy his curiosity. That you are so insulting, you're calling me a mongoloid, lol protohumans ftw, can't you see this makes it sound like you have something to hide. Be calm and concise, use your head this is making you look bad.

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 04:12:04 PM
Why am I being called everyone's gimmick account? Before you call me names and such, which you're really calling Matt C, try viewing my post history. I am literally impartial. You have answered nothing. You can't explain what incentive Dan had to help Matt. Dan apparently has connections with powerful people, so Dan is apparently a man of status in this internet bbing thing, so why is he giving Matt a traffic and money.

You say Matt C seemed eager, yeah ok, so what. What does that prove, that he knew what he was doing? Clearly he didn't because look at what happened. That Matt is somewhat incompetent is clear even to me, look at the content of his posts - everything is obviously deceptive.

One more thing, you are making a mistake by saying all of this is proven in some database that won't be released but apparently there are screen shots of it somewhere. But what is going to be proven? You say he was eager to take control of this thing and that can be proven, no it can't. Whether he was eager or not can not be proven ok, what can be proven is whether he tried to convince dan/you/whoever that he was eager. If he was really eager he would have done what he said he would do. That he didn't means that his apparent eagerness was a deception. He led you on, don't you get it, he wasn't really eager to do squat.

Please explain why Dan was doing all of this for Matt C. Just because you have insider status and you say some evidence exists somewhere on some planet doesn't mean you can get away with leaving important information out.

I'm no one's gimmick, I am some creep on the interweb trying to satisfy his curiosity. That you are so insulting, you're calling me a mongoloid, lol protohumans ftw, can't you see this makes it sound like you have something to hide. Be calm and concise, use your head this is making you look bad.



Calm down, Matt; You are all over the place; but no matter, it is your credibility going up in smoke LOL.

Could your last post have been any more of a flailing public relations maltreat than it was?

But do carry on, you were always crap at PR; who am I to try and stop ya ;)

Oh and, Dan helped matt/you out in 2007, 2008, 2009, after which Dan fucked Canning off. In 2010, Dan went back...

Now, spastic, ask yourself what was different in 2010? Did Dan return, not by virtue of hoping to do business with Canning, but rather, by virtue of an inducement of some sort? LOL

Have we said you are a flailing, know nothing mental cripple ;)

Finally, can we thankyou for keeping this thread bumped? thankyou!

Hhahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha hahahahahahahaha twat.


Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 26, 2011, 04:13:46 PM
w8m8, you my friend have just dropped the bomb on Canning.  He will be curled up in a ball under his desk with piss running down his leg...your posting, along with PT's has brought a wry smile to my bloated face ;)  Sir Duchaine, Im sure will be sharing this also.

I had multiple PMs from Canning over @ BBPro re the UGL debacle.  He was like a fucking child waiting for Christmas day wanting to know this and that about potential earnings and deals.....until it came to him having to put up and actually do some fucking work.  He was in way over his head in all honesty, but never once either admitted to it or declared it was something he didn't want - quite the contrary in fact.  When it came to the crunch and myself, DD and w8m8 realized what a total waste of our time, resources and contacts this had been, a general consensus was reached - To say he let the side down does not even begin to come close to his part, or more lack there of, in actually fucking up the whole set up and pissing off several firms in the process.  Again to reiterate, these are people you do not fuck around and develop a maņana type attitude to dealing with their wares. Canning is very fortunate he did not have to learn this the hard way.

As for the persistent questioning from TwatC re the counterfeiting intel; had he had the get up and go, for want of a better term, he would have been balls deep in pixie dust capsules and self adhesive product labels.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: newmom on June 26, 2011, 04:20:58 PM
w8m8, you my friend have just dropped the bomb on Canning.  He will be curled up in a ball under his desk with piss running down his leg...your posting, along with PT's has brought a wry smile to my bloated face ;)  Sir Duchaine, Im sure will be sharing this also.



to much hunters chicken? ;D

holy shit, she sure did.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 26, 2011, 04:23:48 PM
to much hunters chicken? ;D

holy shit, she sure did.

lol too much Sustanon would be closer to the watery mark :D

Indeed she did, one of the many reasons I have so much time for the lady.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 04:25:16 PM
w8m8, my friend your posting, along with PT's has brought a wry smile to my bloated face ;)

Indeed she did, one of the many reasons I have so much time for the lady.

Thank you kind sir  :-*

I'm sure he was counting on you, the mellow giant, not chiming in here .. you showed more patience with him than any of us

He should have appreciated it

I hope your day today made up for that bit of an ass you had to deal with the other nite !!
That guy's not seeing how he lucky was either  .. lol  ;)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: newmom on June 26, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
lol too much Sustanon would be closer to the watery mark :D

Indeed she did, one of the many reasons I have so much time for the lady.



RUT ROH, careful with that shit. I know you know what ya doing. Just be careful.


That's very nice thing to say. He should of handed over that board to ya
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: andreisdaman on June 26, 2011, 04:31:14 PM
Good wheels for 21.
Must have been on since 17 or so.

try 13
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 26, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
:-*

I'm sure he was counting on you, the mellow giant, not chiming in here .. you showed more patience with him than any of us

He should have appreciated it

I hope your day today made up for that bit of an ass you had to deal with the other nite !!
That guy's not seeing how he lucky was either  .. lol  ;)

Well I have a little spare time and what better way to spend it than fraternizing with some old friends, and outing yet another muggy girl that has wormed his way through an existence off the back of bodybuilding.  Looking back perhaps I did take it a little easy on Matt and placed too much faith in him, but people have done the same for me and had they not I would not know who and what I do now - quelle suprise young matthew lacked the intellect to capitalize on his last chance.

Thank you, I have had a great day with my girlfriend today as it happens, we enjoyed a very relaxing day in my newly landscaped garden and enjoyed some of the finer things on offer in this world :) Said wanker from the other night, I have on good authority he is nursing multiple injuries and wont be repeating his actions in a hurry ;)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Evo on June 26, 2011, 04:41:49 PM

RUT ROH, careful with that shit. I know you know what ya doing. Just be careful.


That's very nice thing to say. He should of handed over that board to ya

I will, thank you for your concern ;)

I offered to BUY the board off him, told him to basically name his price - that place, at one time had crazy potential, there was only one thing holding it back......
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: newmom on June 26, 2011, 04:48:16 PM
I will, thank you for your concern ;)

I offered to BUY the board off him, told him to basically name his price - that place, at one time had crazy potential, there was only one thing holding it back......

that flipping ex of mine.. ;D I KID I KID. All is good there.

I agree. It was a fun and very good board with lots of information on everything.

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 26, 2011, 05:03:49 PM
It sounded like I was trying to say that Dan was conning Matt. I was more trying to find an incentive for Dan to help Matt make a million bucks instead of helping himself make millions of bucks. Get it?

So Matt has a history of fucking people off, and Dan left him a long time ago, and then Matt begged him to come back, so he did. So that makes no sense, how stupid is Dan? But you then you imply Matt paid Dan to come back. Why do you say he begged him when all that matters is that he paid him, clearly Dan came back for the money. So if the bottom line is money, why don't y'all cut Matt out and make a website. Why did you guys keep giving Matt chances when he failed you over and over, why did Dan connect Matt with his UG friends when Matt had a history of being retarded. If these people aren't to be messed around with you did you connect them with a guy who loves to mess around.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 05:06:41 PM
Well I have a little spare time and what better way to spend it than fraternizing with some old friends, and outing yet another muggy #girl that has wormed his way through an existence off the back of bodybuilding.  Looking back perhaps I did take it a little easy on Matt and placed too much faith in him, but people have done the same for me and had they not I would not know who and what I do now - quelle suprise young matthew lacked the intellect to capitalize on his last chance.

Thank you, I have had a great day with my girlfriend today as it happens, we enjoyed a very relaxing day in my newly landscaped garden and enjoyed some of the finer things on offer in this world :) Said wanker from the other night, I have on good authority he is nursing multiple injuries and wont be repeating his actions in a hurry ;)

Enjoying life the way you do is most definitely one of the finest things in life .. I think your "easy ways" are a great thing so I'm glad no one ever affect a change in that part of you  .. but I can't say I also don't admire the way you handle the odd wankers who test you  ;)

Cheers .. hope you get plenty more days of gorgeous weather to enjoy your new garden 



Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 26, 2011, 05:12:06 PM
It sounded like I was trying to say that Dan was conning Matt. I was more trying to find an incentive for Dan to help Matt make a million bucks instead of helping himself make millions of bucks. Get it?

So Matt has a history of fucking people off, and Dan left him a long time ago, and then Matt begged him to come back, so he did. So that makes no sense, how stupid is Dan? But you then you imply Matt paid Dan to come back. Why do you say he begged him when all that matters is that he paid him, clearly Dan came back for the money. So if the bottom line is money, why don't y'all cut Matt out and make a website. Why did you guys keep giving Matt chances when he failed you over and over, why did Dan connect Matt with his UG friends when Matt had a history of being retarded. If these people aren't to be messed around with you did you connect them with a guy who loves to mess around.

shut up Matt I'm ignoring your new ghey gimmick   ::)

If no homo, why am I so wet.

go down to the sex board and look up Schmoe Daddy .. it's better for you to use your little head
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 06:38:54 PM
Alright, alright.  I was making the story up about my dad being sued for posting a YouTube clip.  It was all part of an elaborate ruse to expel Dan from my site.  It never happened and there was never a possibility that some of my dad's assets may have had to be moved to my name to protect from this litigation.  I made it all up!

My dad was never sued:

http://www.expertulpc.com/tech/this-dmca-notice-got-runover-by-a-reindeer-18017775
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/california-northern-district-court/58416/elmo-shropshire-v-aubrey-canning-jr/summary
http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110407_0000708.NCA.htm/qx
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/01/13/Grandma%20Got%20Run%20Over%20By%20A%20Reindeer%20Ruling.pdf

Simultaneously I wasn't receiving e-mail and registered legal letters FROM THREE SEPARATE COMPANIES/PERSONS in the mail with statements to the effect of:

Quote
Hi,

This thread here:

*deleted link*

Throws you open to a whole bunch of legal issues including libel and defamation, with potential damages being high considering the number of firms mentions without:

1) Showing they've done anything wrong
2) Any firm facts from anything that's going on

The issue (to my understanding) presently going on, is that certain companies **** supplied have claimed on their supplements [*false label claim*] when they're not. That's it. Our protein, and those of ****, **** and others...don't claim to be [*false label claim*], they just claim to be great value, high-protein and tasty.

The way contract manufacturing works is that the client asks for a product with certain features (i.e. 80% whey concentrate, 5g's creatine mono per serving etc.)...and this is supplied by the manufacturer. It is the brands responsibility to label correctly as they'll be the ones supplying the end consumer. Almost all supplement companies use contract manufacturers - including the bulk suppliers, for example **** use **** for many of their supplements.

[...]


[*more legal explanations/threats*]

I mean, what the hell, risk a million dollars of my parent's assets as well as my own assets to allow a free-for-all bodybuilding board to run?  Put my family's well-being and future on the line?  No big deal!  Running the board was obviously much more important!

And it's not like I didn't explain all this when everything was cleared up and invite Dan back to post on my board.  No you see, as said it was all an elaborate ruse to expel Dan from my site.  I wanted my traffic to drop as a result of all this.  Yes, that was my grand plan.  ::)

Lastly, I did not have two small babies whom I wanted to protect as best as possible by shutting down my website until everything got resolved.  No, that wasn't my concern at all.  Again, it all revolved around me wanting to remove Dan from my site.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: WillGrant on June 26, 2011, 07:01:44 PM
Matt C being smashed like Bay's asshole in a San Fran bath house  :-X :-\
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Natural Man on June 26, 2011, 07:02:38 PM
how inconceivably dumb you ve got to be to post pics of your children on an internet message board -even worse; getbig-to get some sympathy.  What an attention whore. Bah.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 26, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
just breezing thru...sounds to me like Dan needed Matts Board, Matt needed Dan's connect, and they are both scumbags.... they tried to fuck each other, and nobody got anything
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 07:20:30 PM
Matt C being smashed like Bay's asshole in a San Fran bath house  :-X :-\

I verified my side of the story probably no less than a dozen times by now, with multiple of those times being in this thread.  I don't think there's much more that can be done at this point.  Believe what you will.  For everyone else, check out the links I posted and you will see I'm telling the truth.

At least Anthony Roberts has the balls to attach his name to the controversial matters he discusses on his site.  I can respect that.

how inconceivably dumb you ve got to be to post pics of your children on an internet message board -even worse; getbig-to get some sympathy.  What an attention whore. Bah.

Yet another nameless account who would never attend an expo and approach anybody on any matter ever.  Lots of credibility from the anti-Matt C camp here folks.  ::)

They are the only two photos of my children that I have online and they were already posted publicly on my site.  Pedophiles aren't going to have some vested in molesting newborns.  ::)  Ron and numerous others have photos of their children on their Facebooks.  You can search high and low for photos of me online and you will find plenty, but far less than even the average Facebook user, including photos of family.  This isn't 1980.

What the pictures do prove once again is that I am telling the truth about having family to protect.  I didn't make that up and once again my claims can be easily verifiable.

The only "owning" that has happened to me is in the minds of people who like seeing a thread where I'm being called out on something - anything.  It's like saying Layne Norton has been "owned" by people who claim he uses who offer no evidence to support those claims.

I like the comments like "Prove this DIDN'T happen."

LOL.

The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim.  It's not up to me to DISPROVE every allegation against me, it's up to the one making the positive claim to positively prove it.

Ok w8m8, prove that your mother is not a one-armed prostitute.  Post her photo, occupation, etc, to disprove this.

Oh you don't want to do that?  It must mean she's a one-armed prostitute!  ::)

See how that works?  I think some people need some basic lessons in logical fallacies.

As suggested by apply85, Dan and his friends should start a website if they think they can do such a great job with it.  I honestly don't know what's so difficult about that.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
just breezing thru...sounds to me like Dan needed Matts Board, Matt needed Dan's connect, and they are both scumbags.... they tried to fuck each other, and nobody got anything

The fact is that Dan knew a lot of people in the industry and I'm sure could fairly quickly set up a complete set of paid banner ads on my forum - no doubt Dan could have contributed a lot had he been patient and allowed me to wait until the lawsuit was resolved.  I could see Dan bringing in an easy 5K to the site in banner ads, and quite possibly over 10K given his networking ability.  Instead he chose to leave, bitter by the allegation that I booted him from the board - which I have by now proven I did not do.  I just wanted to wait for the lawsuit to clear up before risking more litigation.  A perfectly reasonable position.  I invited him back, at which point presumably he still believed I was lying - even though everything I have stated is easily verifiable.  If not, I really don't know why he refused to come back to my board.  But hey, I tried.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2011, 07:30:21 PM
how inconceivably dumb you ve got to be to post pics of your children on an internet message board -even worse; getbig-to get some sympathy.  What an attention whore. Bah.

Plus it was a photoshopped photo anyway.  Here is the original:
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: apply85 on June 26, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
shut up Matt I'm ignoring your new ghey gimmick   ::)

go down to the sex board and look up Schmoe Daddy .. it's better for you to use your little head

So you went through my post history and realized I wasn't Matt. Remember all those words you called me, and you didn't think how stupid you would look if you were wrong? All of it because I asked you to explain something in your story which you still haven't. You're making your story look even fishier than it is by being so belligerent.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 27, 2011, 04:53:06 AM
I verified my side of the story probably no less than a dozen times by now, with multiple of those times being in this thread.
 
I like the comments like "Prove this DIDN'T happen."

ROARING WITH LAUGHTER!!!

Look at Matt Canning, using his kids on a public forum ? ? ? Not to mention wheeling out his many gimmick accounts LOL... I bet the disgusting grease ball - Matt Canning - has all manner of 'photos' on his HDD???

Matt... you're all over the place... getting gang raped by those of us that were there. You're the equivocator in this equation... fabricating allegations that you have singularly failed to substantiate.

To wit:
The screen shot was NOT doctored, there were 2 secret forums where you talked shit, and you swore you would get the website up to par for the "deals" you were anxious to benefit from .. BTW adding that we would not gain money from such but were working on to help YOU

Conversely, and as said, there are first hand witnesses corroborating EVERY claim on our side!

Additionally, and as seen in this thread, we even have other, long term, respected members - from "gh15" thru "willgrant" who are anonymous and you assume have never been to an expo as well - of whom, have likewise concluded you to be an outright liar! .

As said... you are SHIT at PR .. and have NO integrity ... YOU HAVE BEEN RAPED!

But do carry on... you're making yourself look more of a feeble minded fuckwit than we could ever dream to!

Honestly, just fuck off... or authenticate your authenticity !

You've sidelined and ignored everything you were shown to have done except for an asinine lawsuit story over a Grama got ran over by a Reindeer video on youtube that your father REFUSED to just take down .. million dollar risk .. children in danger .. omfg  ::)

Take your gay gimmicks and go have have a gang bang SPAMMER

Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: WillGrant on June 27, 2011, 04:58:17 AM
Plus it was a photoshopped photo anyway.  Here is the original:
Cute kid  :)
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 27, 2011, 09:40:50 PM
Matt... you're all over the place... getting gang raped by those of us that were there. You're the equivocator in this equation... fabricating allegations that you have singularly failed to substantiate.

I validated all of my claims in the post above.  My family was undergoing a lawsuit that there was a very real possibility of me getting caught up in.  I was in turn being threatened for some of the posts on my board at the time.  I decided to close things down temporarily and wait until things got resolved.  I closed things down, the legal threats went away and my dad's lawsuit [which YouTube was named in as well] was eventually settled in his favour and life went on.  I don't need to sit here and justify the measures I take to protect my family.  If a few anonymous online user names don't like me for that, that's fine.

Prove to me you don't take legal threats seriously.  Post the Gaspari Myofusion lab assay under your real name and a domain name that you own and report that to Gaspari.  If he sues you, leave the assay online.  Will you do that?  No, you prefer to post everything anonymously using layers of proxies while giving others flak for taking million dollar lawsuits seriously.

And if you think you can create a great board and take on legal responsibility for it then go for it.  My family comes before my board.

Cute kid  :)

Hey thanks WillGrant!!  At the end of the day, my family is what matters the most for me.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Matt C on June 27, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
By the way, Gaspari is doing over $110 million a year in business.  Over $2 million dollars a week.

I'm sure Rich is seriously scared about Ron Kramer and his lawsuit.  :P
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: w8m8 on June 28, 2011, 02:24:11 AM
I'm a tiresome dimwit...


Matt, this is our final reply on this matter; your circuitous rambles are decidedly dull. Whilst it has been fun gang raping you, one does have a life to attend. You have lost this one, PR disaster that you are, so just give it up.

I appreciate the following facts are not sinking into that shit-stained brain of yours; however, and in succinct fashion, here they are again, just for you:

- You have the database to the secret and moderator forums at your website; a database, of which, verifies each and every claim we have made! If we were in court, we could subpoena said database and screw you to the wall, ironic really given your whiny crap about your fathers Youtube affair.

- re the above: this is why you will not release said forum database to the public, by virtue that to do so will vindicate each of our claims. Conversely, if the claims you have made held water, you could make us look stupid by releasing said database; doh, idiot!

- The Gaspari analysis was contracted by one Spencer Clark of STC Nutrition, thru ILS labs in the United Kingdom; contact them and verify that yourself, if the fancy takes you - all the data to do so is public domain; mongol.

Oh and, lastly, well done for revealing you know FUCK ALL about Ron Kramer LOL; honestly it just gets better and better with you.

Matt Canning... "like Santa Claus... only retarded and fond of toilet sex";  one comedy gift another another...

Anyhoo Matt, thanks for playing.

Cue more discursive waffle about "danger to your ugly kids" and "Youtube lawsuits".

Honestly, get a life; you're fuck all in in this game, and never will be.

ciao.
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 28, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
You keep going on and on about the same stuff.....right, wrong or indifferent it's apparent no one here really gives a shit except you an your  cohorts
Title: Re: Kai Greene at age 21.
Post by: whitewidow on June 28, 2011, 03:45:13 AM
It would seem that way.  I'm beginning to think that gear matters a lot less for strength [powerlifting, strongman] than for bodybuilding.

Today my bench was 335 and last Wednesday my deadlift hit 480 at around 160-170 pounds body weight.  I am completely confident that I will hit 350 and 500 within a week or two.  The fact is, strength is a lot more than just muscle size and I am going back to being unsure about Layne Norton's natural status.  If I can hit 500 with crap nutrition and less specific training, I don't see why he couldn't hit at least 600 as he has longer arms than me, better nutrition, and better training.

As for bodybuilding, I think when it comes to strictly building muscle tissue, steroids are very important.  But strength is a combination of things more than just muscle, i.e., ligament and tendon strength, joint resilience, ability to acclimate your central nervous system and more.

From personal experience I am inclined to believe that strength is more based on training while bodybuilding is more based on genetic response to gear.
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I CALL BULLSHIT ON YOUR CLAIMS! IF IMM WRONG POST UP A VIDEO OF YOU AT YOUR GYM WITH DATE ON A PIECE OF PAPER. sorry about the caps but when i hear bullshit i get hyped up. you maybe able to lift that much weight with like 4 spotters helping you.