Wow that's hilarious ::)I`m glad you found it as sardonic as I have.
Douchebagge!
In before "God has a plan" :-\Perhaps God just wanted to save a Chicken or a Watermelon perhaps? :-\
Perhaps God just wanted to save a Chicken or a Watermelon perhaps? :-\
So, a black person dies and you all are questioning if God exists?Racist Wop reported.
...I think the answer is pretty evident
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.
you really dont think things through much ta.
So, a black person dies and you all are questioning if God exists?
...I think the answer is pretty evident
Perhaps God just wanted to save a Chicken or a Watermelon perhaps? :-\
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.You have descended into complete lunacy as of late.
you really dont think things through much ta.
I wish god would immediately collect all christian people to his heaven. ::)
Did you also realize that your point implies that all living christians are immature in god's eyes? Otherwise they would die...
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Racist Wop reported.
I can feel god on this one.... its getting out of hand with the GOD THIS and GOD THAT on social networks.... Its time people start taking him serious againHow does one do that exactly? hahaha And why would someone ever want to?
My "God wanted to save a Chicken and Watermelon" theory is just as valid in that case. Right?
i didnt say thats what i believed was the case, i was simply offering that aa a plausible solution. but i have no problem accepting that all living christians, all living people for that matter, are immature. i doubt theres a single living sould who has the will to remain unconditionally positive, loving, and empathetic towards everyone and everything including themself day in and day out. thats a tough task.
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.
you really dont think things through much ta.
You have descended into complete lunacy as of late.you criticize the idea of god because someone dies after thanking him for life. yet the idea of god rests upon a foundation in which life on earth is a state of being far far inferior to life in heaven; thus if a person is to die in a world where god exists, its not a bad thing but a good one. im sorry friend, you really dont have any wisdom on the subject. best to stay quiet. "when your wrong, you can not be too conservative, when your right you can not be too radical" ;)
you criticize the idea of god because someone dies after thanking him for life. yet the idea of god rests upon a foundation in which life on earth is a state of being far far inferior to life in heaven; thus if a person is to die in a world where god exists, its not a bad thing but a good one. im sorry friend, you really dont have any wisdom on the subject. best to stay quiet. "when your wrong, you can not be too conservative, when your right you can not be too radical" ;)
There's a story in the bible (can't remember where it is off-hand) where some people die in a disaster, and a bunch of people come before Jesus and ask him why he's not really upset about it. They ask him if this isn't tragic or not, why horrible things like this happen, etc. His response (and I'm paraphrasing) was that the real tragedy is when anyone dies and they are separated from God for eternity...you know, as in they didn't make it to heaven, they went to the bad place, as in literal hell. Of course, when one dies and is not separated from God this is a cause for celebration. His overall point, this life is short and fleeting, what happens or doesn't happen is of very little consequence, how long or short the life may be does not outweigh the condition of ones soul when it comes to eternity.
Of course, if someone doesn't believe in God then the above is meaningless to them. I feel sorry for these people, not pity but sorry they're missing out on the true peace life can bring when you recognize how insignificant your life is in the eyes of eternity and how much more there is than your own miniscule existence and the cost of ignoring such things. In my opinion, there is nothing on this earth more arrogant than a denial in God's existence.
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i didnt say thats what i believed was the case, i was simply offering that aa a plausible solution. but i have no problem accepting that all living christians, all living people for that matter, are immature. i doubt theres a single living sould who has the will to remain unconditionally positive, loving, and empathetic towards everyone and everything including themself day in and day out. thats a tough task.
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I blame Bojangles.I LOVE Bojangles but lately, Hardees has edged them out in certain items. Biscuitville is unbeatable.
You have descended into complete lunacy as of late.
where do you get this stuff? ?????? seriously, why are you so concerned with "the will to remain unconditionally positive"? your entire morality is, allegedly, based on "not hurting other people." where do these beliefs come from? can you explain this?are you in disagreement or are you just wondering what logical path i used to come to the conclusion?
Ironic indeed, but funny? ??? some of you act like sick fucks every once in a whileAccording to Tbombz and most Christians, getting "called" by God and dying is the best thing that could ever happen to you, the most joyous occasion imaginable. I hope this helps.
are you in disagreement or are you just wondering what logical path i used to come to the conclusion?
I LOVE Bojangles but lately, Hardees has edged them out in certain items. Biscuitville is unbeatable.
According to Tbombz and most Christians, getting "called" by God and dying is the best thing that could ever happen to you, the most joyous occasion imaginable. I hope this helps.well, wouldnt it be? of course, if your not actually "called by god", and you just disaapear into nothingness and never exist or think or experience anything ever again, then that wouldnt be very good at all.. but then again, if that were the case, you wouldnt actually have been "called by god".. youd just be DEAD. ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088533/Student-21-collapses-dies-class-hours-tweeting-Thank-god-year-life.html
Student, 21, collapses and dies in class, hours after tweeting: 'Thank you God for another year of life'
By BETH STEBNER
Last updated at 8:33 PM on 18th January 2012
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A student at private Christian college has died after she collapsed in class on her 21st birthday.
Ariane Noelle Patterson was in a religion class at Gardner-Webb University, in Boiling Springs, North Carolina, when she collapsed Tuesday afternoon - despite appearing to be perfectly healthy.
Just hours earlier, she had written on Twitter how grateful she was to celebrate her birthday and live another day, writing: ‘Thank you God for another year of life.’
Tragic death: Ariane Noelle Patterson died hours after tweeting she was glad to celebrate another year of life
University spokesman Noel Manning said Ms Patterson's cause of death is under investigation.
He said the school is investigating whether the student had previous health problems.
Last tweet: Ariane wrote 'Thank you God for a nother (sic) year of life' hours before she collapsed and died in class
Ms Patterson, described by her friends as a loving and caring person, was a senior majoring in religious studies and went to high school in Rutherford County.
The campus, he said, is in shock. The university is offering grief counselling to any student that wants it.
Mr Manning said that Ms Patterson ‘had this outrageous love for Christ and for people. I really got a sense for how much she was loved.’
In memoriam: Friends created a memorial page for their friend and classmate on Facebook
Mystery: The university is looking into her cause of death - they were unaware of any preexisting health problems
She had recently begun a media relations position for the campus ministry group, WSOC-TV reports.
Her friends and mourners took to social media, creating a Facebook memorial page. Those on Twitter said she was an ‘inspiring’ person and had a ‘beautiful soul.’
They included the hashtag: #PrayersforAriane.
Tight-knit community: Gardner-Webb is located in North Carolina and has just under 3,000 students
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088533/Student-21-collapses-dies-class-hours-tweeting-Thank-god-year-life.html#ixzz1jwPNr11s
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Ironic indeed, but funny? ??? some of you act like sick fucks every once in a while
Every once in a while? :D
According to Tbombz and most Christians, getting "called" by God and dying is the best thing that could ever happen to you, the most joyous occasion imaginable. I hope this helps.
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There's a story in the bible (can't remember where it is off-hand) where some people die in a disaster, and a bunch of people come before Jesus and ask him why he's not really upset about it. They ask him if this isn't tragic or not, why horrible things like this happen, etc. His response (and I'm paraphrasing) was that the real tragedy is when anyone dies and they are separated from God for eternity...you know, as in they didn't make it to heaven, they went to the bad place, as in literal hell. Of course, when one dies and is not separated from God this is a cause for celebration. His overall point, this life is short and fleeting, what happens or doesn't happen is of very little consequence, how long or short the life may be does not outweigh the condition of ones soul when it comes to eternity.
Of course, if someone doesn't believe in God then the above is meaningless to them. I feel sorry for these people, not pity but sorry they're missing out on the true peace life can bring when you recognize how insignificant your life is in the eyes of eternity and how much more there is than your own miniscule existence and the cost of ignoring such things. In my opinion, there is nothing on this earth more arrogant than a denial in God's existence.
bothlol if you disagree i wonder what you consider morality to be based on ? im guessing, just a guess, you think its subjective ;D
Some of you will probably head on over to her Twitter site and leave a comment like "OWNED" on her page.
That aside, most likely the kid had some sort of underlying medical condition. Either way, she now has an entire eternity ahead of her to enjoy in paradise, that or maggots will have a nice feasts for a few days.
No one truly knows..
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Johnnynotgay.
getting mouth sex from a domican girl a couple years back
ABSOLUTELY
......also, I never ever have thought of Alfonso Riberio while getting mouth sex from a domican girl a couple years back
You atheists are the most unhappy , miserable people alive.X2.....adonis is at the very top of the list!
lol if you disagree i wonder what you consider morality to be based on ? im guessing, just a guess, you think its subjective ;D
my train of thought as to determining that morality is based on logic, based on how you treat and feel about others..
ok let me try to reconstruct this for you..
theres a couple different chains of thought going on here...
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A) you could have been, I could have been, anyother person on the face of the earth. any other animal, any other living thing. it was only by chance that you are who you are, with 7 billion people and trillions living organisms, truly its a magnificent fact that you turned out to be who you are.
B) knowing that you could have been anyother living thing, you should treat all other living things with the same love and respect that you would want someone else to treat you with. "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself"
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A) when feeling negative, when in pain, i can attempt to make myself feel better on my own but its always easier when someone else helps me to
B) everyone gets down sometimes
C) as a community and as individuals we need to work to stay positive and to minimize eachothers pain because the more we work towards that goal the better EVERYONES life will be
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i believe in god, i believe god is omnipotent and perfect, and i fully trust in gods judgement, and i think god loves everyone and wants everyone to love eachother, therefore i want to do what i think is gods will..
theres more, i cant recall everything ive meditated on at the moment.. ill try to add more as they come back to me..
......also, I never ever have thought of Alfonso Riberio while getting mouth sex from a domican girl a couple years back
well, sometimes guys just pop into your head during sex, what can you do? it's not like you can ask for a time-out, you just... have to keep going. nothing gay about it, infact it makes you more manly to suffer through images of oiled up naked men while having sex. Right?
Oddly enough, while watching this in college, I always used to imagine him doing all of these moves while simultaneously sitting on my cock.
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You fuckers made me post this pic again:
I've never ingest semen from 6 different men at the sametime
well, sometimes guys just pop into your head during sex, what can you do? it's not like you can ask for a time-out, you just... have to keep going. nothing gay about it, infact it makes you more manly to suffer through images of oiled up naked men while having sex. Right?Unfortunately the image of a naked, oiled up Alphonso Ribeiro is something no man should have to suffer thru...unless you'd like to.
That's foolish..
That's just like mixing different types of alcohol (wine, whisky, Beer etc..).. Always ends up with you throwing up and waking up in some dirty, dark alley with nothing but used condoms decorating your bare chest, while your pants hang low around your knees.
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You're a nutcase.
I achieved that without any of the bullshit these idiot Christians of the modern era run around yapping about. I'm not talking about those who quietly do their thing, I'm talking about the yappers who've infested Facebook.
It isn't arrogant to deny God's existence. It's arrogant to say that you - a man - can speak on behalf of God and determine God's intent for everyone on the planet. But since you people rarely think, that failure of reason is generally lost on you.
here's what i think:
logic is subjective. when people talk about objective facts, or truth, they're really talking about strong beliefs... beliefs which win out over the weak "subjective" beliefs of people who are "wrong"
logic is not subjective.
2+2=4.
if all A's are B
and C is an A
then C is a B
objective facts, not strong beliefs.
i've had this thought (A) too. when i was a kid i thought "jeez, why am i a christian? i could have just as easily been born into a muslim family, or two thousand years ago, or ten thousand years in the future, into a society where no one is a christian..." on the other hand, i wasn't. and from this same disembodied perspective, if someone hates me and wants to harm me, i can understand that. and i hope they can understand when i hate and choose to harm them, too. if not, oh well! :D
understanding is good, but ill will is not. this is basic and fundamental.
why do we need to minimize each other's pain? why should i care about the general good? after all, it's clear that not everyone will operate with my interest in mind, so why should i bend over backwards to meet their needs?
you dont do the right thing because you want others to do the right thing, you do it simply because its the right thing.
"love thy neighbor" ... as long as he behaves. if it gives him pleasure to do something "against the greater good," which is the same as "immoral" in this case, then we must hurt him until he obeys? And if he does, the common good is satisfied? A society 3 parts happy, 2 parts grumbling dissenters?
no, love your neighbor regardless of how he behaves. if he strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other (give him your other cheek to strike as well). if someone asks you to go a mile with them, go 5. Do not deny the one who asks of you.
there is no common good. a situation that is good for one is not good for another.
no. when you do right , you feel good. no matter what short term benefits you get from doing wrong in the long run you will suffer more negative effects. a pure conscience is worth more than all the treasures in the world. what is good for one, is good for all.
no comment on this one.
i didnt say thats what i believed was the case, i was simply offering that aa a plausible solution. but i have no problem accepting that all living christians, all living people for that matter, are immature. i doubt theres a single living sould who has the will to remain unconditionally positive, loving, and empathetic towards everyone and everything including themself day in and day out. thats a tough task.
but why protest so on somany boards
"The promotion of metrosexuality was left to the men's style press, magazines such as The Face, GQ, Esquire, Arena and FHM, the new media which took off in the Eighties and is still growing (GQ gains 10,000 new readers every month). They filled their magazines with images of narcissistic young men sporting fashionable clothes and accessories. And they persuaded other young men to study them with a mixture of envy and desire.
Some people said unkind things. American GQ, for example, was popularly dubbed ''Gay Quarterly''. Little wonder that all these magazines — with the possible exception of The Face — address their metrosexual readership as if none of them were homosexual or even bisexual.
—Mark Simpson, "Here come the mirror men," The Independent, November 15, 1994 "
what makes that scenario plausible? its complete conjecture, you have no evidence and you just made up a situation, it could just as likely god doesnt like twitter and killed her for this reason.
or perhaps its more plausible that people die randomly (as it appears) and she just happened to tweet about god before dying, nothing more nothing less. Your scenario also assumes people starving in africa that die at the age of 3 and mature, empathetic and honest, such that they get to go to heaven. Hitler went at an early age to, perhaps he reached self-actualization.
you said you disagreed that morality based based on how you treat others.
but in reality it seems you just dont believe in the existence of morality at all.
in truth, if moral systems foundation isnt upon the treatment of others then its completely meaningless.
morality exists, it's a conception of right and wrong.
right and wrong is based on how your actions effect others.
as for the rest of your post:
1. logic is a function of a brain. it exists inside your mind. the statement 2 + 2 = 4 has no meaning, or even existence, outside of a mind. this is pretty much the definition of subjective.
2 rocks sit next to 2 other rocks. there are 4 rocks. there doesnt have to be a mind present for this to be fact. logic is not only a function of the brain, logic is the expression of absolutes. subjective means that to one person it can be wrong, but to anothe rperson it can be right. logic is infallible, completely objective. 2+2 always =4.
2. it's easy to get caught up in "objective facts," because some things seem irrefutable. nonetheless, every method we have of verifying something is subjective, there is no "independent viewpoint" because every view is attached to someone. you can't "get around" yourself in the attempt to verify a fact.
what you mean to say is that we can not accomplish absolute certain truth about the nature or existence of anything in the universe. this is accurate. to say that our methods of verification are subjective is not. if we see something, we saw it. it doesnt matter if nayone else sees it or not, we saw it, and nothing can change that.
3. you say "when you do right, you feel good," "a pure conscience is worth more than all the treasures in the world," and "what is good for one, is good for all." However, different people have different constitutions, and consequently feel good in different circumstances. Murder might make one person feel terrible, and another feel great -- it might even make the first person feel great depending on the circumstances. People's consciences also differ. Some people's consciences make them physically ill when forced to lie, some people do it without suffering the slightest bad feeling. Consequently, what is good for one is not good for all. The concept "taste" was created to reflect this fact. We readily accept people having different taste in food, fashion, culture, women, etc., even sexuality! so why not morality -- or, taste in right and wrong -- as well?
people come form different backrounds and thus have different conceptions of right and wrong.. over time everyone moves closer to the same conception. empathy, honesty, universal love. that is the basis for moral action. if someone disagrees, they are wrong in the universal sense, though based on the information they have avilable to them they may not be wrong in their own head.
4. as for "love your neighbor" thanks for the reiteration but I understand the concept... my qualm is with the application. even jesus, who preached "turning the other cheek" drove the profiteers from the temple grounds in a fit of rage. certainly he cast a dark cloud over their day. didn't he realize they were having so much fun, ripping people off and desecrating the lord's home? sure, he made a lot of fans that day, but only at the expense of others' wellbeing. He made these people feel bad, cut into their profits, and sent them packing, violently!
i dont take scripture literally. i quoted those passages because they cut to the heart of the matter. whether jesus actually existed, i know not. if he did exist, and he was the son of god, then he did not act in the manner he reportedly acted in in that temple. if he wasnt the son of god, he may have.
"love your neighbor" and "do unto others" are just slick ways of convincing people to accept your morals. those who espouse these mantras just want everything their way (like everyone else), and refuse to acknowledge the fact that different people have different ideas of right and wrong, etc. someone might get into a fight with me, and I cry out "do unto others!" he could easily, and very truthfully respond, "I WANT you to fight me!"
but he doesnt actually want to get beaten up! or maybe he thinks he does. part of that mantra "do unto others" is an assumption that you want others to treat you with love and respect. some people have low self esteem, or other issues, and dont think they want that. this is besides the point. the idea is that you are to love everyone. this is not a way of trying to have it your way, because you must love everyone as well. its not that everyone must love me, its that i must love everyone regardless of whether they love me or not.
in reality, people think more along the lines of: "love your neighbor" unless he "doesnt do unto you, as you wish he would," and then gang up with enough like minded people that suddenly they've created an entire culture which ostracizes and punishes those with "bad" (ie different) values in the name of the "greater good" (ie the good of the mob). It's no different than "might makes right" though people wish it were so...
true enough.. and its sad. but people mature as they age. society has been progressing. i hope you dont think you just made an argument for subjective morality. because then you have to accept someone who believes rape and murder are good things, who believes people of your skin color and your color of eyes should be imprisoned, thinks helping others is the sign of great wickedness and forces those who do so to live in poverty.. etc. morality is most deifnitely not subjective and while we should be tolerant of everyone and love them unconcitionally we should not accept their beleifs as valid if they are not so.
2 rocks sit next to 2 other rocks. there are 4 rocks. there doesnt have to be a mind present for this to be fact. logic is not only a function of the brain, logic is the expression of absolutes. subjective means that to one person it can be wrong, but to anothe rperson it can be right. logic is infallible, completely objective. 2+2 always =4.
I like how TA makes fun of religious people. It's funny.
Let's take a look of science vs. religion.
SCIENCE: THERE WAS NOTHING..AND THEN BANG!!!! WHOLE UNIVERSE HAPPENED.
RELIGION: THERE WAS NOTHING..AND THEN BANG!!!! GOD CREATED IT.
That about sums it up. I don't see the big difference. Do you?
How do you know there are four rocks? You see them, and count them. You use your eyes and brain. There's no getting around it. You are the subject who verifies all of your "objective" observations. At bottom, no matter how many people agree with you, it's subjective.lmao.
Logical expressions are "always right" because they deal only with abstractions, or concepts, not "real things."
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i believe in god, i believe god is omnipotent and perfect, and i fully trust in gods judgement, and i think god loves everyone and wants everyone to love eachother, therefore i want to do what i think is gods will..
theres more, i cant recall everything ive meditated on at the moment.. ill try to add more as they come back to me..
lmao.
no dude. if there are 4 rocks, there are 4 rocks. it doesnt matter whether i know they are there or not.
2+2=4, it always equals 4, it never equaled anything other than four, and it doesnt matter if every lving organism in the entire universe dies tomorrow it will still equal 4.
same applies to every other kind of logic.
logic is not subjective ! (and neither is morality)
lmao.
no dude. if there are 4 rocks, there are 4 rocks. it doesnt matter whether i know they are there or not.
2+2=4, it always equals 4, it never equaled anything other than four, and it doesnt matter if every lving organism in the entire universe dies tomorrow it will still equal 4.
same applies to every other kind of logic.
logic is not subjective ! (and neither is morality)
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ABSOLUTELY
......also, I never ever have thought of Alfonso Riberio while getting mouth sex from a domican girl a couple years back
How do you know there are four rocks? You see them, and count them. You use your eyes and brain. There's no getting around it. You are the subject who verifies all of your "objective" observations. At bottom, no matter how many people agree with you, it's subjective.
Logical expressions are "always right" because they deal only with abstractions, or concepts, not "real things."
lmao.
no dude. if there are 4 rocks, there are 4 rocks. it doesnt matter whether i know they are there or not.
2+2=4, it always equals 4, it never equaled anything other than four, and it doesnt matter if every lving organism in the entire universe dies tomorrow it will still equal 4.
same applies to every other kind of logic.
logic is not subjective ! (and neither is morality)
This only further reveals your ignorance. Even the most basic arithmetic can not be 100% proven. Ever heard of Kurt Gödel? This has so far not had any practical implications but in theory we can't even prove the most basic mathematics.
This only further reveals your ignorance. Even the most basic arithmetic can not be 100% proven. Ever heard of Kurt Gödel? This has so far not had any practical implications but in theory we can't even prove the most basic mathematics.
I bet you're the type of 'guy' who gets really angry inside.
Fathers and sons ::)
Gödel's theorem doesn't imply that all of arithmetics cannot be proven, just that some/ many problems cannot be proven.
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Well, not to nitpick, but you cannot obtain peace in your life as I described without a faith in God...if you don't believe in God then how can you? That's not to say you can't have some form of peace, but it's not the same and it's not something I know how to describe to someone who doesn't believe in God.
As for Christianity, as that's the only religious belief I can speak on with any merit as it's the one I follow, I agree, there's some messed up stuff. There are tons of people who give it a bad name; unfortunately, they're the ones most people remember. If you are a Christian, in reality, not merely in words, not the arrogance you're referring to, then you don't speak for God, that's already been stated. God's intent for the world is for man to live a fruitful and productive life, but most importantly to know him, specifically, to seek him out. That's the basic gist of the whole thing, and that's not man speaking for God, that's what God says according to the Christian faith which is according to his words. Of course, I understand if you don't believe in God then you don't believe those are God's words, they can't be if you don't believe in him. In that case, it creates an impossible argument between two people like you and I. I don't see a need to get all up in arms about it.
I receive no piece of mind by willingly believing delusions, how could i?that is exactly what true faith is.. i think you just have a misconception of what faith can be based on what the most vocal of 'believers' express it as
this peace you talk about is availible to everyone, i have it more then you id imagine because i believe im in control of my life, that my actions will dictate what happens to me and that i must make this life special because its the only one i get. I think knowing this is the only chance at existence makes life so much more wonderous then believing this place is shit compared to where ill end up.
How can you Not believe this? ;D
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if there are four rocks there are four rocks. ive been talking about the impossibility of certain truth based on the inherent flaws in induction for the past two years on this site broham. the fact remains, IF THERE ARE 4 ROCKS THERE ARE 4 ROCKS.
The classic solipsistic argument. You are right in that there is no "objective" truth, nor "objective" reality that is accessible to us.
However, the rocks are convergently available to us through vision, somatosensation, hearing (if clanked together), smell (yes!), and even taste. Other people will agree with you 100% about the existence of the rocks and most of the properties of the rocks.
Further, the rocks can be measured and examined by way of apparatus such as weights, imaging through magnetism and radiation, etc. Finally, the rocks can be manipulated in different ways and the way the rocks behave can be described formally through chemistry, physics, mechanics etc.
The point is, the rocks behave as predicted, formally described, and do so in ways that intersubjectively is consistent.
Most modern scientist describe themselves as "moderate realists". By this they agree with you that the world is not accessible by other means than our sensory and cognitive systems, but that we can describe the world in ways that reliably capture some of its properties, tranceding our subjective opinions.
This is quite different from religion. In religion the question is not whether there are 4 rocks. There are hundreds of religions. The don't agree whether there IS a god, what the properties of "god" is, how many gods there are, what gods rules are (if there are rules). Basically, religion is chaos, social manipulation of the stupid and needy, and opinion where there are no facts. Religion is fantasy.
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How can you Not believe this? ;DGood shit Adam! LOL ;D
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and if particles have no mass, they can not exist!! it's simple physics, bro ;)bro, photons do have mass, just not "rest mass".. because they dont rest :) sorry you have trouble thinking on your own
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Wow that's hilarious ::)
Douchebagge!
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.
you really dont think things through much ta.
There's a story in the bible (can't remember where it is off-hand) where some people die in a disaster, and a bunch of people come before Jesus and ask him why he's not really upset about it. They ask him if this isn't tragic or not, why horrible things like this happen, etc. His response (and I'm paraphrasing) was that the real tragedy is when anyone dies and they are separated from God for eternity...you know, as in they didn't make it to heaven, they went to the bad place, as in literal hell. Of course, when one dies and is not separated from God this is a cause for celebration. His overall point, this life is short and fleeting, what happens or doesn't happen is of very little consequence, how long or short the life may be does not outweigh the condition of ones soul when it comes to eternity.
Of course, if someone doesn't believe in God then the above is meaningless to them. I feel sorry for these people, not pity but sorry they're missing out on the true peace life can bring when you recognize how insignificant your life is in the eyes of eternity and how much more there is than your own miniscule existence and the cost of ignoring such things. In my opinion, there is nothing on this earth more arrogant than a denial in God's existence.
In my opinion you're fucking crazy and no about of baseball bats to your head would ever help. You might as well tattoo on your forehead that 'this mind is close for business'. But you know what, I do have faith in people. Perhaps one day something would tweak in your head in you'd come to realize that you had little choice in how things turned out for you. You're a christian PURELY because of location of birth and a sufficient amount of indoctrination and perhaps an IQ score in the slight sub 100 regions .. and an unwillingness to question anything about religion. People that just accept without question are little robots you can program to believe anything. If their god had a chariot made of condoms and bathed in spunk every night, they'd believe it as long as it was written in the bible. Christianity is a young religion with its roots solidly based in Paganism. Christianity is an update for the modern world and will be updated again for the future morons, far into the future.
I always laugh when I think about it. Two naked people around a magic tree with magic fruit and a talking snake. I wonder if Eve fucked Cain or Able?
its not tragic..she went to heaven
How can people claim to have intellectual integrity and believe in a god?;D where did everything come from? what causes everything to happen ? ;D
The two are mutually exclusive.
;D where did everything come from? what causes everything to happen ? ;DHey, bro. Want to post up your grades? Let us know how you're doing?
;D where did everything come from? what causes everything to happen ? ;D
;D where did everything come from? what causes everything to happen ? ;DRidiculous, im no atheist but i dont buy into logical explanations of god.
Isn't heaven the ultimate goal of religious imbeciles? Why not just kill yourself now? Why go through this waiting period?
::waits for made up reasons from "X" holy book (in this case, the bible) as to why it's against god's plan to kill yourself::
.......I like to be treated like women; not men
its just nice knowing that there is a better place after this as well
and that is the ultimate farse of religion in it of itself.We don`t ? :-\
"be good and youll be rewarded"......that is the dominant role in religion, it creates a moral base for humans. obviously simplified, but ideally the teachings of most religions. Now, take a five year old and tell them..."clean your room and youll get 3 cookies". ultimately, the room will probably get cleaned. the next day say, "clean your room and youll get NO cookies"....theyll still be a mess in that room.
my point is, humans have a NEED for purpose, and reward. religion was CREATED to make them feel all warm and tingly knowing that a "paradise" awaits. in reality, we are just skin and bone....just like a dog or a pig......we live, we die...thats it. we dont have "souls" ::) and little spirits that float up to the heavens and run around with jim morrison, elvis, and your great grandpappy.
live right, be healthy, and die....the end is inevitable
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.Hahahah i guess your ass will be stuck here for eternity rotting of HIV then. They will have to surgically give you a latex colon insert for you to carry on your activities. Common, post a stink bear underwear greasy fat pic hahahaha. Let me see you pleeeease! I need i good laugh.
you really dont think things through much ta.
Isn't heaven the ultimate goal of religious imbeciles? Why not just kill yourself now? Why go through this waiting period?
::waits for made up reasons from "X" holy book (in this case, the bible) as to why it's against god's plan to kill yourself::
I'm a believer but I don't live for god.
Just because one believes in god doesn't mean he dedicates his life to god.
Just because one acknowledges right and wrong doesn't mean he tryes to be unselfish most of the time. Or do you?
I believe in god allright but you would never know unless you plain asked me. I'm just a human being like the rest of you lot, I just don't think I'm special and extraordinary god like being who can create things from nothing, that's all.
lol at you atheists and agnostics.
It keeps amazing me how religious Americans are. A guy like Obama has no chance to win if he isn't photographed going to church or mention it frequently. I am quite certain he is an utter atheist.... ;DPfft. George Bush never went to church during his terms and is somehow a right-wing religious touchstone. You can't explain that!?
Replace "god" with the tooth fairy and your post is equally meaningless.
As athiests, I don't understand why some you feel the need to shit on someones beliefs, what gets them through the day, week, month, year or hard times. Is your life so perfect in all aspects as to sit back judge people on how they get through their lives? This is what I find disturbing.
delete all the words in your post and you would make an equal amount of sense.
Just to make my point accross, my beliefs don't help me go through shit. I just think it's common sense god exists, that's all.
I was an atheist many years, but I then kind of "saw the light". Not because I needed comfort, not because I needed a friend, not because of any of that emo shit but because I saw how this world is going round. That's how I see it.
I don't base my life on my beliefs one bit but I still have them.
Just to make my point accross, my beliefs don't help me go through shit. I just think it's common sense god exists, that's all.
I was an atheist many years, but I then kind of "saw the light". Not because I needed comfort, not because I needed a friend, not because of any of that emo shit but because I saw how this world is going round. That's how I see it.
I don't base my life on my beliefs one bit but I still have them.
The Big Bang was the cause of the universe as we know it today. This is based on testable, falsifiable evidence.
Saying "god did it" is not only useless, it is utterly meaningless until it is shown a god exists.
Science doesn't claim to know everything like most religions claim to know. However, science is constantly working on figuring these mysteries out while the opposite is true for religion.
Explain how god existing is common sense. Then explain how it is the god you personally believe in.have you ever seen something happen that didnt have a cause ? 8)
have you ever seen something happen that didnt have a cause ? 8)You should be in 3rd/final year, now. What's your major? What your thesis?
(btw, if god exists, god exists. it doesnt matter if there are 5,000 different names for him, 20,000 different conceptions of what he truly is, and 1,000,000 different religions. ;) )
You should be in 3rd/final year, now. What's your major? What your thesis?should be in my 5th year champ..
should be in my 5th year champ..Academic suspension it is, Chumleigh. How do your parents keep up with all your disappointments?
you ever want to contribute to a discussion, or you just want to sit on the sidelines making derogatory comments pretending your well read/insightful ? :-\
Everybody's an atheist, until shit happens. A car comes head on in your lane and you throw your hands up and start singing that "Jesus Take The Wheel" song.
Your kid's about dead (yes I'm bringing getbiggers kids up) and you start begging God saying how sorry you are and how you'll change, blah blah blah.
Whether or not god's real is irrelevant, a lot of atheists will be guilty of the same thing they patronize christians for.
And of course you can google search an instance where someone lost everything and was still atheist but I'm talking more along the lines of reality.
You should be in 3rd/final year, now. What's your major? What your thesis?Tough love right here ;D
Academic suspension it is, Chumleigh. How do your parents keep up with all your disappointments?your old, you feel like your life experience means you intelligent, i get it.. it would behoove you to be humble, since you dont have any intelligent comments to make.. acting how you feel just makes you seem like a charlatan
what caused the big bang? where did all that matter and energy come from? what causes things to happen?
i can ask you.. "what causes lightening?".. and you can give me a mechanical explanation all the way back to the big bang.. millions maybe trillions of steps in a process that led to that singular lightening strike... but at the end of that chain the question still remains "what caused THAT?" ;) so the only correct answer to the question "what caused that to happen?" , whether the subject at hand is lightening, the wind, the rotation of the earth, the formation of a star, or the big bang ... is "we will never know" ;)
have you ever seen something happen that didnt have a cause ? 8)
(btw, if god exists, god exists. it doesnt matter if there are 5,000 different names for him, 20,000 different conceptions of what he truly is, and 1,000,000 different religions. ;) )
your old, you feel like your life experience means you intelligent, i get it.. it would behoove you to be humble, since you dont have any intelligent comments to make.. acting how you feel just makes you seem like a charlatanI am. I have achieved. You...? You just yap. And yap. You're going nowhere, fast. Such a shame. :-[
Yess wiggs I understood you... I was kind of just pointing to your post while explaining to Growth noob here.
growth noob you're the one resolting to insults here, tough guy ::)
and you allready assume I denye common sense and logic which is not the case at all
I have no reason to debate about this topic because I have debated this gazillion times with the likes of you and I don't have any need to prove my self, lol, lastly to you :D
debating with you would be like playing chess while both of us having our own rules to play with and it just doesn't work, so why bother.
But I give you some releif, I agree that science is allways 100% correct but science can't explain things that are truly bizarre and paranormal. Because there is a spiritual realm beyond science.
no, science will never know. and if there even is an answer, the only possible answer is God.
Science does not currently know.
However, as I explained before, it is absolutely useless to claim "god did it". What does that accomplish? What does it even mean?
no, science will never know. and if there even is an answer, the only possible answer is God.
what does it mean to say God exists? for one, it means life is not entirely meaningless.
no, science will never know. and if there even is an answer, the only possible answer is God.I'm an empiricist. Prove it. :)
what does it mean to say God exists? for one, it means life is not entirely meaningless.
Yes, actually. It happens all the time on the quantum level. I suggest you watch Dr. Lawrence Krauss' A Universe From Nothing.
However, your argument defeats itself because I suppose somehow your "god" didn't need a cause, right?
Yes, actually. It happens all the time on the quantum level. I suggest you watch Dr. Lawrence Krauss' A Universe From Nothing.you have observed thing on a quantum level ? ;D my, what an expensive labratory set up you must have.. ;D
However, your argument defeats itself because I suppose somehow your "god" didn't need a cause, right?
lol @ Proof. And what proof do you have ::)
Ok I give you some good explanations, you can start from here for so called "proof" about spiritual realms, big name scientists coming to a conclusion that these supernatural "ufo" light phenoms can only be spiritual phenoms because they defy physics.
Very impartial explanations, giving you t he facts, no speculation and you can make up your own mind. To me it makes sense that these are spirits in work, nothing more.
Is that a serious reply?
A poorly made youtube video about UFOs with some no name "scientist" is proof of the spirit realm.
Why are your standards of evidence so mind bogglingly low?
I'm an empiricist. Prove it. :)refer to my last post.. god is a possible explanation. and no other explanation is logically possible. BUT as ive said many times before.. it is completely possible there is no explanation.
you have observed thing on a quantum level ? ;D my, what an expensive labratory set up you must have.. ;DBlah. Blah. Blah. All day to get 'smart,' and no time to get a degree.
hypothetically speaking, lets say you acually did observe a vitual particle pop into existence. the cause of that was a "wuantum fluctuation" .. and what was the cause of that quantum fluctuation ?? we dont know, and if we find out, we still have to ask , what was the cause of that cause ? ;)
moreover, the idea that something can happen without an observable cause is teological in of itself. why did ancient man believe in God? because there was all this phenomena, all this life, and absolutely no cause to be found :) must have been done by somebody ;)
however , all that is just to address where you mind is currently at, first of all you have never observed something happening without cause. everything visible to your eye is completely bound to the laws of causality. its only in the real of theoretical physics that its hypotheisized that that law can break down. being that neither you or I or anyone else for that matter has ever observed anything happen without a significant cause behidn it, it is completely empirical to assume that the universe has a cause as well. and there is only one possible cause 8)
you have observed thing on a quantum level ? ;D my, what an expensive labratory set up you must have.. ;D
hypothetically speaking, lets say you acually did observe a vitual particle pop into existence. the cause of that was a "wuantum fluctuation" .. and what was the cause of that quantum fluctuation ?? we dont know, and if we find out, we still have to ask , what was the cause of that cause ? ;)
moreover, the idea that something can happen without an observable cause is teological in of itself. why did ancient man believe in God? because there was all this phenomena, all this life, and absolutely no cause to be found :) must have been done by somebody ;)
however , all that is just to address where you mind is currently at, first of all you have never observed something happening without cause. everything visible to your eye is completely bound to the laws of causality. its only in the real of theoretical physics that its hypotheisized that that law can break down. being that neither you or I or anyone else for that matter has ever observed anything happen without a significant cause behidn it, it is completely empirical to assume that the universe has a cause as well. and there is only one possible cause 8)
Uh oh
Someone just said "bible"
This thread is gonna be a long one
And I know you all hate when I say that but you all know I'm right
How the fuck do you know science will never know? Honestly, what an arrogant and moronic thing to claim.ill explain once more.. what caused 1? 2. what caused 2? 3. What caused 3? 4. What caused 4? and so on.
And please explain how the only possible answer is god. And which god out of the thousands is it?
refer to my last post.. god is a possible explanation. and no other explanation is logically possible. BUT as ive said many times before.. it is completely possible there is no explanation.
if you wish to refute this, either prove that God is in no way possible, or prove the logical possibility of some other explanation. :)
refer to my last post.. god is a possible explanation. and no other explanation is logically possible. BUT as ive said many times before.. it is completely possible there is no explanation.Anything posited without logic is dismissed with similar (idiotic) logic...
if you wish to refute this, either prove that God is in no way possible, or prove the logical possibility of some other explanation. :)
You have zero understanding on how reason works. You are the one making the positive assertion. It is you who must provide evidence to support your claim. How backwards and dishonest of you is it to tell us we need to prove god doesn't exist or provide another explanation. The burden of proof is on you.i never said god exists. i never asked you to prove he doesnt exist. i simply said, either prove god is not a possibility, or prove that someother explanation for reality is a logical possibility. if you cant do either, then my statement is irrefutable.
lol growth noob ::)
like I said, even if I give you explanations... you refuse to look at them because you have allready made up your mind.
It's like I'm playing with ps3, you play with xbox Live and we can't play.
I am willing to give explanations, and that is actually a very WELL MADE youtube documentary and easy to follow video to people who "refuse to read all that shit".
But you're a typical atheist, you refuse to even look at things.
Oh and you have only proven that you are thick headed... you're definetely not right. You demand proof, but refuse to look at them and bring your own proofs :D
Anything posited without logic is dismissed with similar (idiotic) logic...lmao, i already gave you logic chimps. the burden is now on you. either prove god is not possible, or prove some other explanation is possible. if neither can be done, then my statement stands true.
ill explain once more.. what caused 1? 2. what caused 2? 3. What caused 3? 4. What caused 4? and so on.
you find a cause for the big bang, add it to the end of the list, and then ask what caused that. find the answer to that question, throw it on the end of the list, and now we must ask what caused it. it never ends. empiricism can never find THE cause, because all empirical findings are subject to questions of causality.
that being said, if there actually is an "explanation", and by that i mean.. if the universe didnt "just happen" for no reason at all... then that explanation has to be "God".
by "God" i do not mean the christian god, the muslim god, the jewish god, the mormon god, or any other man made conception of what a diety might be. i just simply mean "God". :)
Hahaha...
The old "i can tell you but you won't believe me" excuse.
You are going to have to do better than that ::)
lmao, i already gave you logic chimps. the burden is now on you. either prove god is not possible, or prove some other explanation is possible. if neither can be done, then my statement stands true.No. Plebe. The burden is on you to 'prove' to all of us that 'God' exists. Take your time. And for full marks, please show your work. :)
i never said god exists.
How the fuck does it have to be god?
What is "god"? What are its properties and how do you know it exists?
i never said god exists. i never asked you to prove he doesnt exist. i simply said, either prove god is not a possibility, or prove that someother explanation for reality is a logical possibility. if you cant do either, then my statement is irrefutable.
No. Plebe. The burden is on you to 'prove' to all of us that 'God' exists. Take your time. And for full marks, please show your work. :)im sorry, have you been reading this thread? i never once said god existed. charlatan...
now your finally starting to come around..Utter nonsense.
ok
"god" is simply the supernatural creator and cause of the universe. i dont mean anything more or less than that. i dont mean god is biblical, i dont mean god is knowable, i dont mean god is human in any way whatsoever, and i dont mean that there is life after death. the only thing i mean is that there is an entity responsible for creating the universe.
what are gods properties? if god exists, then god would inherently have the power to create, god would be a thinking being, and god would be eternal. outside of these properties, one can not say. nor can one say god actually exists.
why does it have to be god? because if it wasnt god, then it wasnt anything at all. and thats completely possible. everything just happened to happen. sure, why not. theres no proof god did it, so im not denying that it all might have been complete chance with absolutely no real cause. but, if there was a cause.. then it HAD TO BE "GOD" (as defined in the above two paragraphs)
I like how God's spokesperson is some 23 year old knob polisher from the suburbs
Oh brother
''Maybe God didn't always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence.''The question of " if GOD made the universe/planets, etc........then who made God?? " Is interesting.
TBOMBZ
now your finally starting to come around..
ok
"god" is simply the supernatural creator and cause of the universe. i dont mean anything more or less than that. i dont mean god is biblical, i dont mean god is knowable, i dont mean god is human in any way whatsoever, and i dont mean that there is life after death. the only thing i mean is that there is an entity responsible for creating the universe.
what are gods properties? if god exists, then god would inherently have the power to create, god would be a thinking being, and god would be eternal. outside of these properties, one can not say. nor can one say god actually exists.
why does it have to be god? because if it wasnt god, then it wasnt anything at all. and thats completely possible. everything just happened to happen. sure, why not. theres no proof god did it, so im not denying that it all might have been complete chance with absolutely no real cause. but, if there was a cause.. then it HAD TO BE "GOD" (as defined in the above two paragraphs)
lol I just gave you an easy way to see my point of view in the video, easy to follow. Would you rather have me type you two pages so that you can ignore reading too; "hahaha, nice try to make me waste time reading your garbage, ima go with what the cool guys say" ::)
Listen, you think you're right, I think I'm right. I allready said that this type of debate is useless between us.
I am clearly wiser so I won't try to debate or talk with you about this- Sokrates
:D
He does seem to pick the most ignorant dregs of society to spreadthier ass cheeksthe message
You have zero justification to believe what you do. You can;t support it with any evidence.
utter nonsense
utter nonsense
So for the third time, provide evidence to support your claims. You've gone on and on making ridiculous excuses and posting laughable UFO videos. Can you be serious now?
yes if you wouldn't be so ignorant and thick headed and have time to watch the video you would notice that the video proves that that certain ufo phenoms are not physical but spiritual.
There's one prove right there in the video serie explaining these things, and you refuse to look at them :D
You asked for evidence, well I bring it, but then you refuse to ackowledge them.
So a poorly made youtube video PROVED that there are not only UFOs, but also that there is a "spiritual" realm.
Don't you think if this was the case this would be a world wide, Nobel Prize winning accomplishment? These "scientists" have not only PROVEN that UFOs exists, but also that there is a realm outside of our physical world, completely turning our current understanding of physics upside down. Where is the falsifiability of these claims? Where is the testable evidence? Why hasn't this been peer reviewed and published in scientific journals?
Do you know why? Because only morons believe shit like that. No one else takes it serious.
it makes more sense than your "unexplained" theory of big bang. And it was very well made video. Give me some "testable" evidence of your beliefs ::)
Why it hasn't published in scientific journals ::)? From the same reasons doctors order 10 shots of vaccines of mercury and cancer viruses to people in one day etc etc.
I'm just having so much joy to know you are ripping your hair because I don't agree with you at all :D , I believe in god period. You can just deal with it.
Unexplained theory of the Big Bang? Are you, devilsmile, UFO and spirit realm expert, renouncing decades of evidence by the worlds most brilliant minds? There are loads of testable and falsifiable evidence supporting the Big Bang. I suggest you do some research on it because you come across as a complete moron dismissing the Big Bang, yet championing a youtube video claiming UFOs and the spirit realm exist.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding mercury and "cancer viruses" (whatever the fuck that means lol). Does that part of your response come in English?
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Unexplained theory of the Big Bang? Are you, devilsmile, UFO and spirit realm expert, renouncing decades of evidence by the worlds most brilliant minds? There are loads of testable and falsifiable evidence supporting the Big Bang.the "big bang" is not explained. nobody knows what caused it to happen or where all the mass-energy came from to begin with. nobody knows how long that "hot and dense" state existed before the big bang happened, if at some point in time trillions of years before the "big bang" there was a "fast shrinking and heating" in which a previous universe shrank down into that dense and hot state and stayed that way for trillions of years before expanding out into our current universe..etc.
Utter nonsense.^ putting your head in the sand
these "flue shots" are literally flue shots, they have mercury, cancer viruses and other various toxins, it's a fact about these vaccines, look it up
You have been asked how did big bang happend, what caused it and you can't explain it, so it's just a belief theory. Anything but god goes :D
You keep saying "there's lots of theorys to prove"... yeah? I gave you ONE theory to prove spiritual realms are true but you refuse to check them out. Lol, typical conversation with an atheist, now days they seem to make the least sense or atleast they lack the basic fundamentals of following the rules of conversation.
the funny thing is i have not once asserted that god exists.
im playing off the fact that EVERY human has an innate feeling inside them that SOMETHING caused the universe to happen.
by showing that if god doesnt exist then in all actuality there was absolutely NO CAUSE, that if there is no god that by default everything just HAPPENED TO HAPPEN... atheists are confronted with a contradiction between a gut feeling of universal causality and an intellectual dismissal of God.
Inflation caused the Big Bangthat does not explain the cause of the big bang, it explains the physics of why the universe is "flat" instead of curved, how the universe can be as large as it is, and how "magnetic monopoles" can exist.
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/kenny/papers/inflation.html
knock yourself out ;)
God = story . early mans attempt at explaining the world around him, first passed from one generation to the next through oral tradition , then compiled into written form.
that does not explain the cause of the big bang, it explains the physics of why the universe is "flat" instead of curved, how the universe can be as large as it is, and how "magnetic monopoles" can exist.How the fuck would you know? you didn't read it , cause of the Big bang is inflation. I'm not arguing with you , just correcting you. You hold no cards in this game kid.
sorry broseph
Don't argue with this guy on the existence of God. He'll kill ya. :P
You HAVE to be an objectivist, unless you're a commie :P
How the fuck would you know? you didn't read it , cause of the Big bang is inflation. I'm not arguing with you , just correcting you. You hold no cards in this game kid.no, it isnt, its part of the big bang theory, its a way of explaining some of the inconsistancies in the original theory.
No one, I mean no one, can talk like a college drop-out. My bad. My bad. bomz can. ::)dont be anrgy chimps. ;D
dont be anrgy chimps. ;D
i just got back from a long bike ride and while i was riding i thought of something to ask you.. prove your username on getbig.com is dr.chimps.
do it, and i give up this subject forever.
:)
(by the way, while you think about this, go back and read my last post about your gut feeling about universal causality contradicting your intellectual dismissal of God. let it sink in )
dont be anrgy chimps. ;DLong bike ride!? Sorry, fatboy, no one is buying that nonsense. How long's it been since you dropped out? What a waste. :-\
i just got back from a long bike ride and while i was riding i thought of something to ask you.. prove your username on getbig.com is dr.chimps.
do it, and i give up this subject forever.
:)
(by the way, while you think about this, go back and read my last post about your gut feeling about universal causality contradicting your intellectual dismissal of God. let it sink in )
A lot of people failed you in your life I don't blame you 100% for the nonsense you type.
Long bike ride!? Sorry, fatboy, no one is buying that nonsense. How long's it been since you dropped out? What a waste. :-\more avoidance.. when will getbig ever see an intelligent comment from chimps.. hmm.. sadly i think never.. he prefers to pretend he could contribute, that way everyone thinks so too.. i have my doubts.. surely a wise intelligent man would at least have an anecdote here or a parable there or even just a tid bit of factual information to add in to a conversation..
more avoidance.. when will getbig ever see an intelligent comment from chimps.. hmm.. sadly i think never.. he prefers to pretend he could contribute, that way everyone thinks so too.. i have my doubts.. surely a wise intelligent man would at least have an anecdote here or a parable there or even just a tid bit of factual information to add in to a conversation..
btw, you realize you cant prove your username is dr.chimps ? ? you know how that relates to our earlier discussion?
profound ::)profound like you insisting science can speak on metaphysics ?
more avoidance.. when will getbig ever see an intelligent comment from chimps.. hmm.. sadly i think never.. he prefers to pretend he could contribute, that way everyone thinks so too.. i have my doubts.. surely a wise intelligent man would at least have an anecdote here or a parable there or even just a tid bit of factual information to add in to a conversation..You really are quite dim, aren't you? How long has it been since you told your parents that you dropped out?
btw, you realize you cant prove your username is dr.chimps ? ? you know how that relates to our earlier discussion?
True adonis is a piece of shit atheist homosexual with a horrible response to aas who is ugly as fuckDid I upset your narrow and provincial perspective of the Universe Max B? Stick to reading coloring books and watching Super Hero movies you perpetual child.
DeviLSmile and Tbombz are obliterated at this point. Good Show as always! DevilSmile posting a poorly edited pre-school production Youtube video of "UFOs" as proof of his religious conversion was hilarious.
It is remarkable how foolish and juvenile people here remain.
This thread is becoming a fucking shambles.
Like no one could have saw this thread ending up the way it did
SERIOUSLY- are you all this naive?
Threads like this are to Internet intellectuals what grape soda is to guy's named "Tyrone"
Like no one could have saw this thread ending up the way it did
SERIOUSLY- are you all this naive?
Threads like this are to Internet intellectuals what grape soda is to guy's named "Tyrone"
the "big bang" is not explained. nobody knows what caused it to happen or where all the mass-energy came from to begin with. nobody knows how long that "hot and dense" state existed before the big bang happened, if at some point in time trillions of years before the "big bang" there was a "fast shrinking and heating" in which a previous universe shrank down into that dense and hot state and stayed that way for trillions of years before expanding out into our current universe..etc.
its sad how closed minded athiests are.
profound like you insisting science can speak on metaphysics ?
DeviLSmile and Tbombz are obliterated at this point. Good Show as always! DevilSmile posting a poorly edited pre-school production Youtube video of "UFOs" as proof of his religious conversion was hilarious.
It is remarkable how foolish and juvenile people here remain.
Did I upset your narrow and provincial perspective of the Universe Max B? Stick to reading coloring books and watching Super Hero movies you perpetual child.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410599.0;attach=453923;image)
Hey Johnny, I dont know if anyones ever told you but your not that funny. Go dance for dollars Sally.
DeviLSmile and Tbombz are obliterated at this point. Good Show as always! DevilSmile posting a poorly edited pre-school production Youtube video of "UFOs" as proof of his religious conversion was hilarious.
It is remarkable how foolish and juvenile people here remain.
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This is the typical "laaa laa I'm not hearing you" getbig circus, so I'm obliterated only in your 225x112 mind.
noob growth was basicly asked that what caused the big bang to happend, how did those two atoms appear in the first place, what were there before nothing etc. and the best he could say was "science doesn't currently know", lol what a joke.
logic and science can answer questions that are logical and scientifical, not supernatural.
Why don't you just quit while you are way behind. You are by far the biggest jackass in this thread.
So because I, nor any other human being knows what caused the Big Bang, I'm a joke? Your asinine logic is mind blowing. Do you, devilsmile, UFO and spirit realm scientist, know what caused the Big Bang? If not, by your logic you're a joke, right? Do you see what a gigantic asshole you are yet?
I want you to answer that last question. Do you even realize what a colossal moron you truly are? I demand you stop posting after you answer my question.
yes you're a joke, you make no sense what so ever.
and LOL at demanding me to stop posting in this thread, hahahaha, get real, fag :D
By your logic, if you don't know what caused the Big Bang, you are a joke. Those are your direct words.
So devismile, enlighten us all on what caused the Big Bang. Be sure to collect your Nobel Prize after you post. If you can't, you're a joke according to your very own logic. You pic literally the biggest mystery in human history, and call me a joke for not knowing the answer. You are honestly the biggest moron I have encountered in a long time. I thought your UFO and spirit realm horse shit was good, but insulting me for not knowing what caused the Big Bang is fucking hilarious. That's honestly an insult a child with severe down syndrome would say. Do you have severe down syndrome, devilsmile? I am highly inclined to think you do.
I demand you start using that pea sized brain the spirit realm UFOs have endowed you with before you post.
"the big bang" explains the what has occured during the past 13.7 billion years. nothing more than that. it does not explain how our universe came to be. it describes how a once hot and dense state expanded into what we have now. how long that dense and hot state existed before the big bang, what existed before the dense and hot state, what caused the dense and hot state to exists in the first place... ect. completely unexplained. and that is part of our universe, being that those things arent explained, our universe is not explained.
You constantly argue the most irrelevant, off topic bullshit.
The Big Bang explains how our current universe came to be. You act as if what you just wrote contradicts anything I have written. I never claimed to know what caused the Big Bang. That's you, with all of your "it's irrefutable if you can't prove god didn't do it" horse shit argument.
Atheist are close minded? How so? I am open to where ever the evidence leads. Unlike you, and other theists, I won't just make shit up.
::)YOUR the one proclaimnig that its possible for science to quantify a metaphysics ! you reall have absolutely no clue what your talking about do you, just spouting off the latest scientific bullshit with absolutely no regard for the philosophical implications of your statements.
How about you demonstrate that there even is a methaphysical realm.
no, hes calling you a joke for thinking that you can.
You pic literally the biggest mystery in human history, and call me a joke for not knowing the answer.
you demanded me to post any evidence that spiritual realm exists. I gave you a simple video explaining really easily how that would be the case. You refuse to watch it, your loss.
You try to convince me that science is the explanation to everything, but you refuse to talk about what caused big bang because you can't, nobody can and you refuse to ackowledge alternative options so that's why I think you're a complete joke. To even consider other alternatives makes your blood boil :D
no, hes calling you a joke for thinking that you can.
And that's why he's a moron. Please show me where I ever even implied that I could.you keep insisting that there is a possible explanation for the universe other than God. that means you think its possible to explain what caused the big bang. :)
I watched about 30 seconds and dismissed it as absolute horse shit like any rational human being would do. If you enjoy being a simple minded, easily fooled imbecile, so be it.
Show me where I said "science is the explanation to everything". You are a liar on top of being a moron. And no shit I can't talk about what caused the Big Bang. No one can you stupid idiot. You are the joke for even letting the thought of insulting me for not knowing what caused the Big Bang enter your brain, let alone actually going ahead and embarrassing the shit out of yourself and posting that. On what possible spirit realm UFO space ship could it possibly be an insult for not knowing the biggest mystery in the universe? Are you even capable of having a rational thought permeate your brain?
I really want you to be honest with me now. Do you actually have down syndrome? I wouldn't argue with a child with down syndrome in person, and neither would I online. Let me know if this is the case. It probably won't do you much good after all of the laughable horse shit you already posted, but you can PM me if you don't want to openly post about your mental condition.
"the big bang" explains the what has occured during the past 13.7 billion years. nothing more than that. it does not explain how our universe came to be. it describes how a once hot and dense state expanded into what we have now. how long that dense and hot state existed before the big bang, what existed before the dense and hot state, what caused the dense and hot state to exists in the first place... ect. completely unexplained. and that is part of our universe, being that those things arent explained, our universe is not explained.
your an ugly homosexual who spends time on a bodybuilding message board and pretends to be afraid of steroids and fucks trannies... btw what degrees do u have and what universities have u attended, u racist homo.
edit: btw im probably almost as racist as yourself but laughing and making a joke of a young persons death is disgusting, rot in hell, we all know you youre a miserable fuck iRL
YOUR the one proclaimnig that its possible for science to quantify a metaphysics ! you reall have absolutely no clue what your talking about do you, just spouting off the latest scientific bullshit with absolutely no regard for the philosophical implications of your statements.
i dont even think you know what metaphysics means by your statement "metaphysical realm". is there a "physics realm" ? ;D
metaphysics refers to the cause and origin of physics.
science can discover physics, but it can not discover the cause of physics.
if there is a cause of physics, that cause is necessarily supernatural. metaphysics is a concept founded on religous instinct. the idea that there is a cause for the universe is grounded in religous instinct.
but, there may very well be no cause.
and this is what your having trouble with. and i knew i would catch someone to enter into this debate with me, because almost everyone has a very strong feeling that there is a cause for everything, the the universe is explainable. but in todays world people dont realize the implications of their beliefs, that if there is no God that caused the world, then there is no cause at all.
that there may be no cause is not discomforting to me. but apparantley it is to you.
you keep insisting that there is a possible explanation for the universe other than God. that means you think its possible to explain what caused the big bang. :)
meta-physics
look up the meaning of both terms ;D
no, the big bang does not explain how our universe came to be, unless you consider describing a fraction of history as sufficient information to create a universal explanation. ;D\
you disagree with my statement that there is only one possible cause for the universe. that means you think there are more than one possible causes. and that means you think science can describe the cause. (if you dont realize it, a supernatural cause is indescribeable by science and is necessarily god)
lol... no, when did i ever once say you should be able to explain the cause of the big bang? i fully understand that your incapable of doing so and i dont hold that against you in any regard. my issue is with your belief that there is some other possible explanation for God. not that you dont know what that explanation is.
The fact you extrapolate that since I think there is another explanation for the cause of the universe other than a god, that I, personally, can explain the Big Bang is fucking moronic. Something either a troll or an imbecile would deduce.
not that this actually matters, whether or not the definition is what i say it is is completely irrelevant to the points being made.. but here..
So you can't provide a definition of metaphysics that it is "the cause and origin of physics." I'm not interested on what your personal take on what the word means. You made a claim on what metaphysics means, now substantiate that claim by providing a credible source for your definition.
lol... no, when did i ever once say you should be able to explain the cause of the big bang? i fully understand that your incapable of doing so and i dont hold that against you in any regard. my issue is with your belief that there is some other possible explanation for God. not that you dont know what that explanation is.
do me a favor, off the top of your head, come up with a possible cause of the universe that isnt god. you can make up terms, create concepts, come up with physical laws. none of it has to be based on actual physics or scientfic findings. just make it somewhat logical and a possibility. :)
not that this actually matters, whether or not the definition is what i say it is is completely irrelevant to the points being made.. but here..
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphysics
i gave a more concise, accurate definition than whats listed, but they mean the same thing..
if you are familiar with philosophy from ancient times through the modern period you would know why i used the term
Oh, OK. More "concise and accurate" than Merriam Webster's Dictionary.
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Can someone please fill me in if I am being trolled or not? I'm losing interest in this.
I'll tell you right now that you will never get anything productive out of arguing with tbombz. His insights are of minuscule value and he'll never change his opinion. You can throw all the science you want at him and he won't give a shit. He's arrogant and poorly educated beyond repair... a bad mix.
Don't waste your time.
I'll tell you right now that you will never get anything productive out of arguing with tbombz. His insights are of minuscule value and he'll never change his opinion. You can throw all the science you want at him and he won't give a shit. He's arrogant and poorly educated beyond repair... a bad mix.
Don't waste your time.
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morality exists, it's a conception of right and wrong.
as for the rest of your post:
1. logic is a function of a brain. it exists inside your mind. the statement 2 + 2 = 4 has no meaning, or even existence, outside of a mind. this is pretty much the definition of subjective.
2. it's easy to get caught up in "objective facts," because some things seem irrefutable. nonetheless, every method we have of verifying something is subjective, there is no "independent viewpoint" because every view is attached to someone. you can't "get around" yourself in the attempt to verify a fact.
3. you say "when you do right, you feel good," "a pure conscience is worth more than all the treasures in the world," and "what is good for one, is good for all." However, different people have different constitutions, and consequently feel good in different circumstances. Murder might make one person feel terrible, and another feel great -- it might even make the first person feel great depending on the circumstances. People's consciences also differ. Some people's consciences make them physically ill when forced to lie, some people do it without suffering the slightest bad feeling. Consequently, what is good for one is not good for all. The concept "taste" was created to reflect this fact. We readily accept people having different taste in food, fashion, culture, women, etc., even sexuality! so why not morality -- or, taste in right and wrong -- as well?
4. as for "love your neighbor" thanks for the reiteration but I understand the concept... my qualm is with the application. even jesus, who preached "turning the other cheek" drove the profiteers from the temple grounds in a fit of rage. certainly he cast a dark cloud over their day. didn't he realize they were having so much fun, ripping people off and desecrating the lord's home? sure, he made a lot of fans that day, but only at the expense of others' wellbeing. He made these people feel bad, cut into their profits, and sent them packing, violently!
"love your neighbor" and "do unto others" are just slick ways of convincing people to accept your morals. those who espouse these mantras just want everything their way (like everyone else), and refuse to acknowledge the fact that different people have different ideas of right and wrong, etc. someone might get into a fight with me, and I cry out "do unto others!" he could easily, and very truthfully respond, "I WANT you to fight me!"
in reality, people think more along the lines of: "love your neighbor" unless he "doesnt do unto you, as you wish he would," and then gang up with enough like minded people that suddenly they've created an entire culture which ostracizes and punishes those with "bad" (ie different) values in the name of the "greater good" (ie the good of the mob). It's no different than "might makes right" though people wish it were so...
i didnt see this reply.
I'm not going out of my way to insult him, since he never really directly insulted me, but he comes across as a complete amateur. He argues points no one is discussing, as if that refutes anything I have said. He throws out ridiculous absolutes that if you can't prove "x", then "Y" (his position) must be true, along with other pretty juvenile and poorly thought out arguments. Towards the end, I really suspected I was being trolled but apparently he is being serious.