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If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
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you could evolve and devolved to another place if you stood in front of one of those blazing Apache copters.
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If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
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amen
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Neanderthals have to learn that religion has nothing to do with being a good human being.
Oil and religion is a WW3 agenda.
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
:-*
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
Radical christians bomb planned parenthood centers and murder people...in the name of a floating spaghetti monster.
I'm an atheist, I donate time and money to non profits, and i treat my fellow man as I wish to be treated. I don't need religion, or god, or some other ghost story to keep me in line. I am a good person because that is how people should be. The repercussion of acting badly towards the world is not in the form of a terrible afterlife, it comes in the form of being a bad person, and having to look at yourself in the mirror. Society will eventually shun you, which is much more concrete and immediate than myths about the afterlife/heaven/hell.
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
I would like to talk to you about oppression of some minorities in some particular religion but your cognitive bias is so strong it's useless.
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
hahahha, can't be more serious?
;D ;D ;D ;D
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If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
religion is real! real-igion!
it may contain disinformation, it may be cryptic and metaphoric what is left of it the information, it's over 10.000 years old history.
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"get rid of religion if we want evolve "
nice idea genius...
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BTW, define "evolving", you mental midget... Dont start threads if you cant finish them.
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This thread sux!
Just sayin` !!
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Radical christians bomb planned parenthood centers and murder people...in the name of a floating spaghetti monster.
I'm an atheist, I donate time and money to non profits, and i treat my fellow man as I wish to be treated. I don't need religion, or god, or some other ghost story to keep me in line. I am a good person because that is how people should be. The repercussion of acting badly towards the world is not in the form of a terrible afterlife, it comes in the form of being a bad person, and having to look at yourself in the mirror. Society will eventually shun you, which is much more concrete and immediate than myths about the afterlife/heaven/hell.
You always have a few psycos in every bunch and the majority of Christians don't condone it so dont make that a blanket statement that we are. As for planned parenthood, they should be done away with and we shouldn't have to pay for it. You talk about a few off the wall the Christians who commit violent acts (that we do not condone) as opposed to an operation who keeps its doors open by having a quota of killing babies. You do the math.
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Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world
Fuck me running. Are you SERIOUS?
All religion and belief in gods is detrimental to society.
If history hasn't taught you anything in this regard, well, there ya go. Another sheep who has been brainwashed blind.
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
You don't need us for that, Coach.
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You always have a few psycos in every bunch and the majority of Christians don't condone it so dont make that a blanket statement that we are. As for planned parenthood, they should be done away with and we shouldn't have to pay for it. You talk about a few off the wall the Christians who commit violent acts (that we do not condone) as opposed to an operation who keeps its doors open by having a quota of killing babies. You do the math.
Plus one. Christians do more for charity then any group or religion. Of course there will be a few crazy people in such a large group. Fucken retards can't wrap their simple minds around that. "but but but abortions clinics, but but but Oklahoma city bombings" ::)
Another shit thread from the mental midget Stark.
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radical muslims, radical christianity or whatever --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- atheist
the truth dont lay in the extremos. Got to find the median point. For the sacred dialetc's sake
Atheists are so wrong as religions haze.
If religion keeps you away from reality, atheism close the door for any spiritual development.
So what is the point, the human being is composed by both, matter and spirit, we're the materialization of spirit promoting the spiritualization of matter.
We're the bridge between both.
atheism sucks
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Fuck me running. Are you SERIOUS?
All religion and belief in gods is detrimental to society.
If history hasn't taught you anything in this regard, well, there ya go. Another sheep who has been brainwashed blind.
Assuming you are grouping Christianity into your def. of religion....
The main theme of Christianity is to know Christ as Savior and make Him known and to help others. How is helping others detrimental ???
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Nothing is wrong with religion its the people who are using religion to further their selfish personal agendas that is where the problem lies.
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The main theme of Christianity is to know Christ and make Him known and to help others. How is helping others detrimental ???
Love your neighbor, turn the other cheek, Treat people how you want to be treated, give to people who are hungry.Ya those are real detrimental ::)
It's the cool thing to hate Christians these days.
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Staring back from the mirror, a face that you don't recognise
It's a loser, a sinner, a cock in a dildo's disguise
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Just wait to some of you are faced with a life threatening situation like Derek. You will beg the lord for forgiveness and mercy! No atheists in foxholes.
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We can also make a brief distinction in that Christ and religion are two different things.
If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
Yes, it would be nice if radical religions didn't engage in some of the things they do.
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No surprises that the less intelligent grow up to become socially conservative, and look towards childish superstitions for comfort.
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The main theme of Christianity is to know Christ as Savior and make Him known and to help others. How is helping others detrimental?
Because it always comes with a price. Learn history.
Besides, how is a belief in a fairy tale in 2012 productive to humankind?
A majority of ills suffered by mankind has at its root (often directly) religion.
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No surprises that the less intelligent grow up to become socially conservative, and look towards childish superstitions for comfort.
Fact: Regions of the world where education is less prevalent feature more religious belief among citizens. As well, the more hardcore the believer, generally, the lower the IQ. Studies have shown this, time and again.
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Because it always comes with a price. Learn history.
Besides, how is a belief in a fairy tale in 2012 productive to humankind?
A majority of ills suffered by mankind has at its root (often directly) religion.
When people were more religous in America there was a lot less crime! When people were more conservative we had the golden era in America. Look how fucked up things are now. All the shit on the shit on tv, violence, hard drug use, the overall decay of society. America has turned their back on God.
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Why even start a thread about this. I swear there's like two of these a week. Just makes me want to slap the shit out of people like Dr. Chimps.
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Why even start a thread about this. I swear there's like two of these a week. Just makes me want to slap the shit out of people like Dr. Chimps.
That's not very "turn the other cheek" of you ;)
Love your neighbor, turn the other cheek, Treat people how you want to be treated, give to people who are hungry.Ya those are real detrimental ::)
It's the cool thing to hate Christians these days.
By the way practically all religions teach those same values.
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How many christians in this thread, 1, 2, 3, 4 oh look at all those people who haven't read the Bible. ;D
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Religion is the rest left from our savage history the sooner we shed this and concentrate on a peaceful way of life with science as the new "religion" the sooner we can move on to a type one civilisation. If not we will destroy us or at least set us back so many years that we are unable to stop a cataclysmic catastrophe.
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That's not very "turn the other cheek" of you ;)
By the way practically all religions teach those same values.
I know it's not I just can't stand his liberal arrogance. It really rubs me the wrong way. I wouldn't actually do it. I think him and Benny really bother me the most.
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Fact: Regions of the world where education is less prevalent feature more religious belief among citizens. As well, the more hardcore the believer, generally, the lower the IQ. Studies have shown this, time and again.
Most wars are over one founded thing; MONEY! People can mask the reasoning for whatever fits the agenda of the masses, but greed is the bottom line!
I am a Christian, and very proud to be a Christian!
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Assuming you are grouping Christianity into your def. of religion....
The main theme of Christianity is to know Christ as Savior and make Him known and to help others. How is helping others detrimental ???
Why insist you know something you have absolutely no evidence for? You dont even know if Jesus existed. Thinking that God exists and saying the the teachings Jesus supposedly preached are what you think God's will is if he does exist is one thing. A highly agreeable thing. Claiming certainty when you dont even have a probability to work with is another - and its highly disagreeable.
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Religion is the rest left from our savage history the sooner we shed this and concentrate on a peaceful way of life with science as the new "religion" the sooner we can move on to a type one civilisation. If not we will destroy us or at least set us back so many years that we are unable to stop a cataclysmic catastrophe.
Please Stark, tell the scientific proof against Christianity or its keeping people from evolvinig?
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Religion is the rest left from our savage history the sooner we shed this and concentrate on a peaceful way of life with science as the new "religion" the sooner we can move on to a type one civilisation. If not we will destroy us or at least set us back so many years that we are unable to stop a cataclysmic catastrophe.
You're so stupid. You think we are going to have a more peacefull way of life with out Christianity ::) Religion is one of the few positive things Americans have left. If you got rid of the Muslims ya the world would be much more peacefull
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I am a Christian, and very proud to be a Christian!
Proud of what, being brainwashed silly from the very first years of your life?
Humans are unbelievable.
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Without Christianity/religion in America things would become far worse, religion seems to cage the beast in many people. Look at prisoners who give themselves to the Lord. They have a dramatic turn around better behavior better attitude. Same with people who are sick or who have lost love ones.
You only need look throughout history at other societies and nations who never bought or adopted the idea of Christianity and see how dismal their track records were.
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If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
The Spanish Inquisition killed hundreds
The Crusades killed thousands
Atheist dictators(Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) killed Millions
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Jesus WAS Jewish!
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Please Stark, tell the scientific proof against Christianity or its keeping people from evolvinig?
2000 years of slaughter in the name of the lord should be all the proved you need but I doubt that sheep like yourself really see the truth u lack the intellect
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The Spanish Inquisition: hundreds killed
The Crusades: thousands killed
Atheist dictators(Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot): Millions killed
Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
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The Spanish Inquisition: hundreds killed
The Crusades: thousands killed
Atheist dictators(Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot): Millions killed
One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.
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One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.
There was also one death that meant redemption for billions.
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You're so stupid. You think we are going to have a more peacefull way of life with out Christianity ::) Religion is one of the few positive things Americans have left. If you got rid of the Muslims ya the world would be much more peacefull
Lol oh the irony Hahaha
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There was also one death that meant redemption for billions.
Why insist you know something you have absolutely no evidence for? You dont even know if Jesus existed. Thinking that God exists and saying the the teachings Jesus supposedly preached are what you think God's will is if he does exist is one thing. A highly agreeable thing. Claiming certainty when you dont even have a probability to work with is another - and its highly disagreeable.
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There was also one death that meant redemption for billions.
MJ?
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Lol oh the irony Hahaha
Ya because people going to Church on Sunday learning about the Lord how to treat people good volunteering their time to the sick and unfortunate is such a bad thing. Getting together with family after church and sharing a meal together. Praying over the meal, praying for your families and friends well being ya that's so bad. I'm sure life would be a lot better without that. You're a stupid fool!
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Thanks to neuro science, in near future we can pinpoint what exactly is wrong in the brain of the believer.
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MJ?
LOL!!!
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Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
I take wild stab in the dark here but I would say that to 99.9% of the us troops are Christians
And don't get me wrong I am the first to admit that a well placed hellfire and the clarity of today flir cameras makes me hard in my special place, I just love to fuck with people like you who cannot argue for shit.
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Thanks to neuro science, in near future we can pinpoint what exactly is wrong in the brain of the believer.
The priests finger up his anus?
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Stark might evolve if he logged off the computer.
Holy shit this clown has no life.
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Ya because people going to Church on Sunday learning about the Lord how to treat people good volunteering their time to the sick and unfortunate is such a bad thing. Getting together with family after church and sharing a meal together. Praying over the meal, praying for your families and friends well being ya that's so bad. I'm sure life would be a lot better without that. You're a stupid fool!
Jesus you are dimm I spell it out for you the irony was that a devoted Christian like yourself Gaga is calling for the mass extermination of another religion in left to make the planet into a more peacefull place thous proving my point that religion is the left overs from our savage past
Thanks dummy
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The proof you seek is in the relationship with Christ. Deny that opportunity and you won't have that revelation in your life.
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Stark might evolve if he logged off the computer.
Holy shit this clown has no life.
Eh I haven't been online for long than 10 no. Lately lol who are u again ?
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Thanks to neuro science, in near future we can pinpoint what exactly is wrong in the brain of the believer.
Keep us posted Klaus!
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The proof you seek is in the relationship with Christ. Deny that opportunity and you won't have that revelation in your life.
youve met jesus christ ? can you take a picture with him for me? something , anything to prove he exists.
(or have you just become warmed in your heart and experienced wisdom being taught to you by the hand of the universe in such a way that makes you believe in a heavenly father...... and thus have aboslutely no idea about the existence of jesus, dont even know if those experiences were caused by your own mind or not, but only have a gut feeling about eternal order and meaning in life.. ? )
hmmm... be humble ;)
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The Spanish Inquisition killed hundreds
The Crusades killed thousands
Atheist dictators(Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) killed Millions
Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
Good point! The Spanish Inquisition and The Crusades were in ancient times. The atheists Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed millions in modern times. Looks like Christians have evolved while atheists have devolved? ;D
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I take wild stab in the dark here but I would say that to 99.9% of the us troops are Christians
And don't get me wrong I am the first to admit that a well placed hellfire and the clarity of today flir cameras makes me hard in my special place, I just love to fuck with people like you who cannot argue for shit.
So what if they're Christians. We are at War with a filthy enemy that will stop at nothing to destroy Western Civilization if we don't systematically crush them. Muslims only understand one thing and that's the hammer! We have to protect our way of life first. Plus the troops are following orders. Plus they completely separated church and state. The military isn't a religious organization so your argument is really invalid you sick imbecile.
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Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
Good point! The Spanish Inquisition and The Crusades were in ancient times. The atheists Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed millions in modern times. Looks like Christians have evolved while atheists have devolved? ;D
Ya modern christians have really been on the war path the last few centuries ::) If people weren't fighting over religion they would kill eachother for any other reason. It's human nature.
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So what if they're Christians. We are at War with a filthy enemy that will stop at nothing to destroy Western Civilization if we don't systematically crush them. Muslims only understand one thing and that's the hammer! We have to protect our way of life first. Plus the troops are following orders. Plus they completely separated church and state. The military isn't a religious organization so your argument is really invalid you sick imbecile.
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;D I kid I kid!
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youve met jesus christ ? can you take a picture with him for me? something , anything to prove he exists.
(or have you just become warmed in your heart and experienced wisdom being taught to you by the hand of the universe in such a way that makes you believe in a heavenly father...... and thus have aboslutely no idea about the existence of jesus, dont even know if those experiences were caused by your own mind or not, but only have a gut feeling about eternal order and meaning in life.. ? )
hmmm... be humble ;)
Seek Christ with honesty and a genuine desire to experience him in your life....just take it to the source yourself.
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The proof you seek is in the relationship with Christ. Deny that opportunity and you won't have that revelation in your life.
Relationship?! What a joke. Can you see him, smell him, touch him, hear him, etc.? And don't come back with anything less than intelligence with a response.
As another has made reference to, any "warm" feeling or whatever you might have experienced is simply comfort obtained through self-delusion. Believing strongly (through brainwashing) in something because you want to so very badly.
Your relationship is with nothing and no one. Just a weak little voice in your head telling you to believe to dull your pain and fear.
Fool.
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Relationship?! What a joke. Can you see him, smell him, touch him, hear him, etc.? And don't come back with anything less than intelligence with a response.
As another has made reference to, any "warm" feeling or whatever you might have experienced is simply comfort obtained through self-delusion. Believing strongly (through brainwashing) in something because you want to so very badly.
Your relationship is with nothing and no one. Just a weak little voice in your head telling you to believe to dull your pain and fear.
Fool.
You don't have to attack....isn't necessary with me.....I try and keep things light. It's ok that you don't believe either....I had to surrender and set aside my doubt once before in my life; fortunately Christ overcame that doubt.
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Seek Christ with honesty and a genuine desire to experience him in your life....just take it to the source yourself.
are you seriously asserting that you have been able to make contact with a spirit that revealed itself as Jesus Christ and proved to you that it was true?
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Relationship?! What a joke. Can you see him, smell him, touch him, hear him, etc.? And don't come back with anything less than intelligence with a response.
As another has made reference to, any "warm" feeling or whatever you might have experienced is simply comfort obtained through self-delusion. Believing strongly (through brainwashing) in something because you want to so very badly.
Your relationship is with nothing and no one. Just a weak little voice in your head telling you to believe to dull your pain and fear.
Fool.
Are emotions real, love, hate? Can you see them, smell them, touch them, hear them, etc.? Just saying. :)
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are you seriously asserting that you have been able to make contact with a spirit that revealed itself as Jesus Christ and proved to you that it was true?
I wouldn't use those exact words, but they're good enough.....yes, absolutely.
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I wouldn't use those exact words, but they're good enough.....yes, absolutely.
so how did christ reveal himself to you? did he materialize and speak to you one night during prayer? or what
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so how did christ reveal himself to you? did he materialize and speak to you one night during prayer? or what
Acknowledging Christ as my Savior gave me fresh eyes and a heart more sensitive to sin. It was as if I perceived things differently. My sins were immediately apparent to me. In moments of prayer and worship the Holy Spirit absolutely revealed himself and continues to do so. It's amazing what a heart aligned with Christ and a genuine desire to worship and experience Christ can produce. You may have heard the expression "the Holy Spirit washing over a person".....well, it's a very cool, personal experience. It's that moment in which you know divinity is in your midst and it blankets you from the outside in....you can feel that presence and it's humbling. Calling on the name of Christ is also powerful; plus, engaging in prayer and surrendering to the Lord's will has been an awesome experience. It's not always easy to surrender, but when you finally recognize God's fingerprints and guidance in your life it's very cool. Studying his living word brings even further revelation, but the washing over of the Holy Spirit is a very tangible, awesome experience. Fellowship with other believers can also help a person draw closer to God....both publically and privately I've drawn closer to my Savior, but my favorite moments are quiet moments when it's just me and him - that's the cool stuff!
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Relationship?! What a joke. Can you see him, smell him, touch him, hear him, etc.? And don't come back with anything less than intelligence with a response.
As another has made reference to, any "warm" feeling or whatever you might have experienced is simply comfort obtained through self-delusion. Believing strongly (through brainwashing) in something because you want to so very badly.
Your relationship is with nothing and no one. Just a weak little voice in your head telling you to believe to dull your pain and fear.
Fool.
And your proof there is no God? And anything unintelligent, do not reply.
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How can muslims or buddhists have the same experience? God is clearly not needed. ;)
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Jesus you are dimm I spell it out for you the irony was that a devoted Christian like yourself Gaga is calling for the mass extermination of another religion in left to make the planet into a more peacefull place thous proving my point that religion is the left overs from our savage past
Thanks dummy
Do you honestly think that the US is trying to wipe a certain religion out, or just a certain group that reigns terror on innocent people? All this is just a mask, while people behind the scenes get filthy rich.
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Acknowledging Christ as my Savior gave me fresh eyes and a heart more sensitive to sin. It was as if I perceived things differently. My sins were immediately apparent to me. In moments of prayer and worship the Holy Spirit absolutely revealed himself and continues to do so. It's amazing what a heart aligned with Christ and a genuine desire to worship and experience Christ can produce. You may have heard the expression "the Holy Spirit washing over a person".....well, it's a very cool, personal experience. It's that moment in which you know divinity is in your midst and it blankets you from the outside in....you can feel that presence and it's humbling. Calling on the name of Christ is also powerful; plus, engaging in prayer and surrendering to the Lord's will has been an awesome experience. It's not always easy to surrender, but when you finally recognize God's fingerprints and guidance in your life it's very cool. Studying his living word brings even further revelation, but the washing over of the Holy Spirit is a very tangible, awesome experience. Fellowship with other believers can also help a person draw closer to God....both publically and privately I've drawn closer to my Savior, but my favorite moments are quiet moments when it's just me and him - that's the cool stuff!
not a wise choise of words when talking about free religion ;)
Also you've got to have a giggle at any religion that devotes a lot of time pointing out that god has given us the right of choice but in a heartbeat religion takes that away by imposing their own rules and regulations on them ::)
God: I have given you the gift of free will and choice - BUT DONT YOU FUCK IT UP IF YOU DO I WILL BEAT THE SHIT OUT IF YOU!!!
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Do you honestly think that the US is trying to wipe a certain religion out, or just a certain group that reigns terror on innocent people? All this is just a mask, while people behind the scenes get filthy rich.
I grace you with a response if you learn to quote the right post :)
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not a wise choise of words when talking about free religion ;)
Also you've got to have a giggle at any religion that devotes a lot of time pointing out that god has given us the right of choice but in a heartbeat religion takes that away by imposing their own rules and regulations on them ::)
God: I have given you the gift of free will and choice - BUT DONT YOU FUCK IT UP IF YOU DO I WILL BEAT THE SHIT OUT IF YOU!!!
Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn' talking about religion, I was talking about a relationship with Christ.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn' talking about religion, I was talking about a relationship with Christ.
Not much of a difference ;) - ask any of your fellow follower and you find out pretty fast that they all have their own special relationship with god.
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It's a good thing this memetic virus only affects the most mentally weak ones. The brilliant ones are free of mental slavery and can discover new marvels of the universe while the peasants sing in the church about Jesus.
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Not much of a difference ;) - ask any of your fellow follower and you find out pretty fast that they all have their own special relationship with god.
Yes they all have a special relationship with Christ and unfortunately many of those fellow believers can't participate in a church, attend an organized church service or fellowship with other believers so many worship from their homes or on their breaks at work or wherever they're able. Still, organized religion isn't a requirement for salvation in Christ. It can certainly assist many in furthering their faith, but it isn't a requirement.
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It's a good thing this memetic virus only affects the most mentally weak ones. The brilliant ones are free of mental slavery and can discover new marvels of the universe while the peasants sing in the church about Jesus.
The problem is (which proves a theory I have for a long time 80% of humans on this planet are not too smart) their numbers outweighs the once that want to rid them-self free of mental slavery as you said so nicely by infinity - There are simply too many dumb people on this planet.
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It's a good thing this memetic virus only affects the most mentally weak ones. The brilliant ones are free of mental slavery and can discover new marvels of the universe while the peasants sing in the church about Jesus.
Some people are just too smart for God...that is right.
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Some of the most honest, loving, caring, giving, people I've ever met in my life have been devout Christians! I don't know why so many of you have such a problem with a religion that teaches morals, honestly, love, obedience to mother and father. If more people in America tried harder to follow the teachings of the bible we would have less welfare (people would give more to charity,food banks, and churches, you would have less welfare kings and queens) less violence (Christians should only use violence to protect their families and own safety, never use violence just to get things out of greed) you would have less divorce, more faithfull relationships. You wouldn't have all of these illegitimate kids running around, less stds. If anything we need more religion it would clean things up!
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Some people are just too smart for God...that is right.
BLASPHEMY !!!! GO SAY A FEW HAIL MARY'S
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BLASPHEMY !!!! GO SAY A FEW HAIL MARY'S
I'm not Catholic LOL!!
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Ah, nothing like a Getbig religious or politics thread. Battle for the low-hanging fruit. :-\
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BLASPHEMY !!!! GO SAY A FEW HAIL MARY'S
Idiots like you take the worst things they can find about religion and just hammer on those talking points. Every natural disaster in the last hundred years the first people to respond with food clothes and money are Christians. They bring medicine food and help builder shelters in shitholes you wouldn't want anything to do with. Churches take in hopeless people that need positive guidance it gives them a second chance. Drug addicts, convicts, murderers, felons, have completely cleaned up their lives because of religion. What's wrong about giving people hope.
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Ah, nothing like a Getbig religious or politics thread. Battle for the low-hanging fruit. :-\
Add some weight to the conversation then. You just sound like a stuck up prick.
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Acknowledging Christ as my Savior gave me fresh eyes and a heart more sensitive to sin. It was as if I perceived things differently. My sins were immediately apparent to me. In moments of prayer and worship the Holy Spirit absolutely revealed himself and continues to do so. It's amazing what a heart aligned with Christ and a genuine desire to worship and experience Christ can produce. You may have heard the expression "the Holy Spirit washing over a person".....well, it's a very cool, personal experience. It's that moment in which you know divinity is in your midst and it blankets you from the outside in....you can feel that presence and it's humbling. Calling on the name of Christ is also powerful; plus, engaging in prayer and surrendering to the Lord's will has been an awesome experience. It's not always easy to surrender, but when you finally recognize God's fingerprints and guidance in your life it's very cool. Studying his living word brings even further revelation, but the washing over of the Holy Spirit is a very tangible, awesome experience. Fellowship with other believers can also help a person draw closer to God....both publically and privately I've drawn closer to my Savior, but my favorite moments are quiet moments when it's just me and him - that's the cool stuff!
just be humble. everyone knows that you have absolutely no idea where those feelings came from. to you it seems quite obvious that god exists. it seems that way to me as well. i have experienced what your talking about. i didnt need go through jesus, i dont know if such a person ever existed. i came to god by way of logic, that something must have caused life to happen. when we come to god he gives us signs, but those signs require faith. talking about god in certain terms is extremely off putting to people because they know you cant possibley be certain. and when you go off on tangents about jesus it becomes even more off puting because thats something people know you not only cant be certain of by dont have any evidence at all to indicate such a person ever existed beyond the tall tales of the bible.
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Idiots like you take the worst things they can find about religion and just hammer on those talking points. Every natural disaster in the last hundred years the first people to respond with food clothes and money are Christians. They bring medicine food and help builder shelters in shitholes you wouldn't want anything to do with. Churches take in hopeless people that need positive guidance it gives them a second chance. Drug addicts, convicts, murderers, felons, have completely cleaned up their lives because of religion. What's wrong about giving people hope.
Why do we need religion for hope? Understanding the universe striving to become a more technological advanced race which does not rape their own planet for fossil fuel living in peace and harmony should be hope not that your religion is the one and true religion on this planet.
Religion especially Christianity had its shot for over 2k years now and I think its time for change.
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Add some weight to the conversation then. You just sound like a stuck up prick.
Like threatening to beat someone up?
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I had to surrender and set aside my doubt once before in my life; fortunately Christ overcame that doubt.
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Why do we need religion for hope? Understanding the universe striving to become a more technological advanced race which does not rape their own planet for fossil fuel living in peace and harmony should be hope not that your religion is the one and true religion on this planet.
Religion especially Christianity had its shot for over 2k years now and I think its time for change.
When I was going through a bad addiction and I was strung out real bad on pain killers I opened the bible. I turned to a random page and started reading. I felt a weight lifted off my shoulders. I swear the verses were perfect for the situation I was in. I felt a warmth. It was a pure good feeling that came over me. I've had the pure evil feeling come over me to. There's both in the world. I cried that night and gave myself to Christ. I wouldn't of made it through being strung out that bad. I could of commited suicide or something. I was in severe severe opiate withdraw. The bible helped me get through it. I was sick for two months. I fell asleep with the bible in my hands. I'm convinced I would of ended up in a mental hospital if I didn't have it.
The bible lays out such a pure good way to live your life. I feel the holy spirit in me when I hear gospel music. It's hard to explain. It's an extra ordinary feeling I get. That's how I know christ is real.
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Are emotions real, love, hate? Can you see them, smell them, touch them, hear them, etc.? Just saying. :)
Emotions can be proven to exist.
But thanks for coming out.
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just be humble. everyone knows that you have absolutely no idea where those feelings came from. to you it seems quite obvious that god exists. it seems that way to me as well. i have experienced what your talking about. i didnt need go through jesus, i dont know if such a person ever existed. i came to god by way of logic, that something must have caused life to happen. when we come to god he gives us signs, but those signs require faith. talking about god in certain terms is extremely off putting to people because they know you cant possibley be certain. and when you go off on tangents about jesus it becomes even more off puting because thats something people know you not only cant be certain of by dont have any evidence at all to indicate such a person ever existed beyond the tall tales of the bible.
I strive for humility and honesty. I don't always succeed, but I try; still, having certainty about something doesn't necessitate a lack of humility. The only platform I've used for my discussion about Christ is my life - as open and honest as I can be about it. I haven't pointed fingers. I haven't judged. I haven't attacked. I tried to remain as none threatening as possible.
Again, the proof you seek is in a relationship with Christ; unfortunately, deny that opportunity and you won't have that revelation in your life. Christians are considered narrow-minded because the path to salvation begins with crossing the threshhold of a narrow gate. That narrow way is Christ.
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And your proof there is no God? And anything unintelligent, do not reply.
I have more reasonable and solid proof that he doesn't exist then you do that he does.
And if you have to ask what proof it is, then you're clearly someone who will never emerge from the brainwashing.
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It's a good thing this memetic virus only affects the most mentally weak ones. The brilliant ones are free of mental slavery and can discover new marvels of the universe while the peasants sing in the church about Jesus.
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Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
Dude, members of both faiths, or perhaps I should say self-proclaimed members of boths faiths, have and still do commit atrocities. Balkan conflict wasn't too long ago for example. A more recent example is the Haditha massacre which everyone got acquitted for. Can list many examples.
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It's a good thing this memetic virus only affects the most mentally weak ones. The brilliant ones are free of mental slavery and can discover new marvels of the universe while the peasants sing in the church about Jesus.
Good ole Dawkins and his memes.
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When I was going through a bad addiction and I was strung out real bad on pain killers I opened the bible. I turned to a random page and started reading. I felt a weight lifted off my shoulders.
BINGO!
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No surprises that the less intelligent grow up to become socially conservative, and look towards childish superstitions for comfort.
won day we hoefully be as edumacated as you....derp!
A majority of ills suffered by mankind has at its root (often directly) religion.
If you are referring to Biblical Christianity as a religion in the above can you please elaborate w/some examples?
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I have more reasonable and solid proof that he doesn't exist then you do that he does.
And if you have to ask what proof it is, then you're clearly someone who will never emerge from the brainwashing.
For those of us functioning with a two-watt bulb for a brain could you possibly provide some of your proof that God doesn't exist? It would be "enlightening" (bada-cha!).
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Let's put it this way, if a god does exist, if I meet him/her/it, I will be sure to spit in its face. Pure piece of shit "creator".
And for what it's worth, I was raised in a religious context. Gave it my all. But my intelligence and strength cured me of the foolishness.
Each passing year since becoming UNborn I feel ever more free and peaceful ... and humble in my existence. I also treat people better and feel more empathy because of our shared pain and ultimate demise.
It isn't negative this feeling, but rather enlightening and in awe of our universe and its endless mystery.
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Let's put it this way, if a god does exist, if I meet him/her/it, I will be sure to spit in its face. Pure piece of shit "creator".
And for what it's worth, I was raised in a religious context. Gave it my all. But my intelligence and strength cured me of the foolishness.
Each passing year since becoming UNborn I feel ever more free and peaceful ... and humble in my existence. I also treat people better and feel more empathy because of our shared pain and ultimate demise.
It isn't negative this feeling, but rather enlightening and in awe of our universe and its endless mystery.
Fortress do you mind sharing what your religion/denomination was?
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Let's put it this way, if a god does exist, if I meet him/her/it, I will be sure to spit in its face. Pure piece of shit "creator".
And for what it's worth, I was raised in a religious context. Gave it my all. But my intelligence and strength cured me of the foolishness.
Each passing year since becoming UNborn I feel ever more free and peaceful ... and humble in my existence. I also treat people better and feel more empathy because of our shared pain and ultimate demise.
It isn't negative this feeling, but rather enlightening and in awe of our universe and its endless mystery.
I'm sorry to say this, but if you're at peace right now I'd hate to cross you on a bad day.
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Good ole Dawkins and his memes.
Dawkin memes > Jesus memes.
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For those of us functioning with a two-watt bulb for a brain could you possibly provide some of your proof that God doesn't exist? It would be "enlightening" (bada-cha!).
So you want me to provide proof that something we can't see, hear, touch, smell or with which we can communicate in any real way, does not exist? ... All we have as "proof" from your side is a many-times-over re-written batch of texts authored thousands of years ago by ... who knows? ... ? When folks of the day didn't know shit about anything?
Please just stop.
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won day we hoefully be as edumacated as you....derp!
If you are referring to Biblical Christianity as a religion in the above can you please elaborate w/some examples?
lol what? haha :D
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Fortress, do you mind sharing what your religion/denomination was?
Roman Catholic
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I'm sorry to say this, but if you're at peace right now I'd hate to cross you on a bad day.
You'd be fortunate to meet and know me. I am a friendly guy.
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If we ever want to "upgrade" our society to type 1 we better get rid of feudal religion all together Muslims radical Christian or any religion for that matter have no interest in science religion is the last thing that keeps us from evolving.
Religion is mind poisoning/brain washing man-made garbage.
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Roman Catholic
I thought that may be it.
Do you feel you were ever a believer in Christ as Savior or did your church focus mainly on tradition and ritual?
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So you want me to provide proof that something we can't see, hear, touch, smell or with which we can communicate in any real way, does not exist? ... All we have as "proof" is a many-times-over re-written batch of texts authored thousands of years ago by ... who knows? ... ? When folks of the day didn't know shit about anything?
Please just stop.
You mentioned you had proof that God doesn't exist and I was hoping in my dullard state of brainwashed, foolishness you would share a bit of it....that's all.
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I thought that may be it.
Do you feel you were ever a believer in Christ as Savior or did your church focus mainly on tradition and ritual?
Both
I have a relative who was a priest, and he, too, bailed on "god".
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Religion is mind poisoning/brain washing man-made garbage.
Absolutely
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No surprises that the less intelligent grow up to become socially conservative, and look towards childish superstitions for comfort.
history says otherwise
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You'd be fortunate to meet and know me. I am a friendly guy.
In all honesty I'm sure you are. I try and never attack on message boards anymore because I know the reality of real life encounters....none of the same heats exists in real life encounters (with the exception of extreme cases of which I wouldn't find myself engaged in).
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You mentioned you had proof that God doesn't exist and I was hoping in my dullard state of brainwashed, foolishness you would share a bit of it....that's all.
Jeeez, are you serious?! Read what I wrote AGAIN. And AGAIN. And ...
I have already told you of my proof.
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there is no truth to be gained through atheism, it is effectively a failed, pointless religion.
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I have a relative who was a priest and he, too, bailed on "god".
Hope he didn't bail on God but can't blame him bailing on RC.
Fortress, were you taught you were superior to people because you were a member of RC?
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Dawkin memes > Jesus memes.
Dawkins is the king of memetics....no one's arguing that LOL!!!
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I never used to believe in God and use the same sort of sayings and disgust towards him. The problem with most people who do not believe in God is that they (like myself) never even read the books that the religions are based on, but used media, heresay and chinese whispers to get their facts.
All I would say to anyone who sets judgement on another religion is read the books first then make up your mind..
I will tell you now honestly, a man without God is a man who has nothing.
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Jeeez, are you serious?! Read what I wrote AGAIN. And AGAIN. And ...
I have already told you of my proof.
Ok, so your proof is your intelligence and strength? Cool.
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Hope he didn't bail on God but can't blame him bailing on RC.
Fortress, were you taught you were superior to people because you were a member of RC?
No, not really.
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Ok, so your proof is your intelligence and strength? Cool.
I don't know what's going on with you in regards to this, so I am gonna bow out. I mean, how is it possible you cannot understand my points with that which we can't see, hear, touch, smell, etc.?
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Roman Catholic
I went to a Roman Catholic grade school for 9 years, going to church twice a week. Catholicism is garbage. Im not too sure about CHRISTIANITY either, if its not a WORLDLY RELIGION then why are there Christian churches?????
Real faith/believe come from within the mind/heart.........not from sitting in a fancy million dollar building or Mentally imposed beliefs from going to church.
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No, not really.
Why do you feel you treat others better after leaving that religion?
Fortress, I hope you know that RC is not always representative of Christianity. Many people who have left RC feel as you do. Please don't reject God because of a church that may misrepresent Him. If you read the Bible on your own you will see that much of the traditions and rituals in RC are not only not in scripture, but actually go against what the Bible teaches. It may actually surprise you to see what is (and what is not) in there.
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I wondered where you were ;D
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I wondered where you were ;D
;D ;D ;D
I was actually hanging back and reading Tbombz and Coaches amazing and enlightening posts :-\ :-\
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I don't know what's going on with you in regards to this, so I am gonna bow out. I mean, how is it possible you cannot understand my points with that which we can't see, hear, touch, smell, etc.?
And I provided an example of tangible, personal proof in an earlier post so I assumed you had more to offer on the subject beyond that. I fully grasp what you're suggesting; again, I assumed you had more to offer than a simple sensory concept.
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I don't know what's going on with you in regards to this, so I am gonna bow out. I mean, how is it possible you cannot understand my points with that which we can't see, hear, touch, smell, etc.?
right because the universe begins and ends with what human beings can comprehend. if a human being cannot comprehend it, it simply does not exist. Wow. just wow.
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You always have a few psycos in every bunch and the majority of Christians don't condone it so dont make that a blanket statement that we are. As for planned parenthood, they should be done away with and we shouldn't have to pay for it. You talk about a few off the wall the Christians who commit violent acts (that we do not condone) as opposed to an operation who keeps its doors open by having a quota of killing babies. You do the math.
you said "radical," not me. when i think radical christians, i think of the "god hates fags" people who ruin the lives of families of men who have died for our country. radical is the extreme.
Atheists are more informed of the bible and religion than any other group of people (yes, that includes people who affiliate themselves with christianity/religion). Atheists are (usually) of the highest education, lowest crime rates, non violent, nice people. Everyone I know who is an atheist (which is MANY, i live in the SF bay area) is leading a good, "christian" life, minus the ridiculous belief in a ghost story. The only difference is that instead of hating on gays, they accept them (just like jesus did to everyone in the bible, and preached to everyone in the bible...acceptance) for the people they are. we don't judge people's moral fiber based on what a 2000 year old book says.
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right because the universe begins and ends with what human beings can comprehend. if a human being cannot comprehend it, it simply does not exist.
To take this a bit further, humans have been known to be mistaken from time to time as well. Even our eyes can deceive us at times.
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I survived Catholic school,now I have no religion at all,I just try to do the next right thing............though I do believe in God.
My faith has wavered at times.
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When people were more religous in America there was a lot less crime! When people were more conservative we had the golden era in America. Look how fucked up things are now. All the shit on the shit on tv, violence, hard drug use, the overall decay of society. America has turned their back on God.
Damn good post.......sad but damn good.
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I strive for humility and honesty. I don't always succeed, but I try; still, having certainty about something doesn't necessitate a lack of humility. The only platform I've used for my discussion about Christ is my life - as open and honest as I can be about it. I haven't pointed fingers. I haven't judged. I haven't attacked. I tried to remain as none threatening as possible.
Again, the proof you seek is in a relationship with Christ; unfortunately, deny that opportunity and you won't have that revelation in your life. Christians are considered narrow-minded because the path to salvation begins with crossing the threshhold of a narrow gate. That narrow way is Christ.
your not being humble. your not being honest with yourself. you have let god know that if he exists you are ready to try to follow his path and you have been warmed after doing so. when you went to god you may have had misinformation in your head about his nature, but regardless you were warmed and thus it seems he reponded. you may be misinformed about jesus. god obviously didnt blame you for that and deny you warmth if that is the case. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA IF JESUS EVER EXISTED.
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you said "radical," not me. when i think radical christians, i think of the "god hates fags" people who ruin the lives of families of men who have died for our country. radical is the extreme.
Atheists are more informed of the bible and religion than any other group of people (yes, that includes people who affiliate themselves with christianity/religion). Atheists are (usually) of the highest education, lowest crime rates, non violent, nice people. Everyone I know who is an atheist (which is MANY, i live in the SF bay area) is leading a good, "christian" life, minus the ridiculous belief in a ghost story. The only difference is that instead of hating on gays, they accept them (just like jesus did to everyone in the bible, and preached to everyone in the bible...acceptance) for the people they are. we don't judge people's moral fiber based on what a 2000 year old book says.
right we get it. all atheists are good people. and most christians are bad and the ones who aren't are just stupid. just please spare us all your stinking pile of bullshit ok? If i were to sit here and tell you that every gay guy i've ever met has been an asshole, you would have a field day with me telling me how ignorant I am. Yet you expect us to take it from you that ALL atheists are good people? just fucking stop making an ass of yourself.
truth is is that NO ONE knows the secrets of the universe and I have never met a group of people that i've considered "bad" and i have never met a group of people that are all "good". And neither have you. It's cute that you're sticking up for your little group of atheist friends and all just don't try and do it at the expense of others. OK?
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To take this a bit further, humans have been known to be mistaken from time to time as well. Even our eyes can deceive us at times.
You are mistaken about the existence of God. QED.
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your not being humble. your not being honest with yourself. you have let god know that if he exists you are ready to try to follow his path and you have been warmed after doing so. when you went to god you may have had misinformation in your head about his nature, but regardless you were warmed and thus it seems he reponded. you may be misinformed about jesus. god obviously didnt blame you for that and deny you warmth if that is the case. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA IF JESUS EVER EXISTED.
Actually bombz, MOS is being very humble and has been for awhile now. If this was "prehumble" MOS, he would have ripped many new ones by now.
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Actually bombz, MOS is being very humble and has been for awhile now. If this was "prehumble" MOS, he would have ripped many new ones by now.
little johnny has been a very good boy lately. hes only been stealing one cookie from the cookie jar per day, when he used to eat handfuls all day !
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QED.
Was this used properly here? ;D
little johnny has been a very good boy lately. hes only been stealing one cookie from the cookie jar per day, when he used to eat handfuls all day !
huh? lol!
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Greek Orthodox here. And I don't appreceate these aetheists rude comments. Show some class.
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your not being humble. your not being honest with yourself. you have let god know that if he exists you are ready to try to follow his path and you have been warmed after doing so. when you went to god you may have had misinformation in your head about his nature, but regardless you were warmed and thus it seems he reponded. you may be misinformed about jesus. god obviously didnt blame you for that and deny you warmth if that is the case. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA IF JESUS EVER EXISTED.
A perspective like yours denies every bit of evidence to support the bible's accuracy and historocity. And your notion about not being humble, not knowing the real Christ is founded in your own empirical knowledge which has not yet truly experienced the risen Christ and remains fully ignorant in that regard (that isn't an insult either). I have full assurance in the heart that Christ lived, died and rose again and that belief ignores all the other evidence that supports the authenticity of the Gospels. You deny the Gospels and you deny Christ; therefore, you have no assurance in Christ and your heart is growling increasingly hardened to the reality of his sacrifice and gift of salvation. Every philosophical proof and semantic wordplay cannot diminish or extinquish the reality of Christ. I'm sorry friend, but you're simply mistaken. Again, the proof you seek is in the proverbial pudding....take your doubt to the source and confront God directly with honesty, humility and a desire to know him and see if he doesn't respond. My friend, with utmost sincerity, I double-dog dare you. ;)
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Actually bombz, MOS is being very humble and has been for awhile now. If this was "prehumble" MOS, he would have ripped many new ones by now.
That`s an understatement! ;D
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Actually bombz, MOS is being very humble and has been for awhile now. If this was "prehumble" MOS, he would have ripped many new ones by now.
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you know what, your sincerity is so sincere, i really do have to indulge you and go ahead and meditate on the issue and see if god will reveal some wisdom to me. but even if i come to some feeling in my heart that jesus did exist and is our savior then i am still not going to go around talking about jesus like he actually exists simply because i know that many intelligent people are going to be turned off from religion and most likely anything dealing with spiritual development if i were to do so.
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That`s an understatement! ;D
lol
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These threads always suck............nobody else has the right to tell anyone else what they are supposed to believe in or can believe.
They always end up being 6 million pages long and we all know that nobody`s gonna` change their stance on things.
That being said,carry on! :)
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These threads always suck............nobody else has the right to tell anyone else what they are supposed to believe in or can believe.
They always end up being 6 million pages long and we all know that nobody`s gonna` change their stance on things.
That being said,carry on! :)
thats bullshit wes. subjecitivty is bullshit. right is right and wrong is wrong. if somebody believes in something thats negative or if they make assertions without proof then they ought be confronted about it.
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These threads always suck............nobody else has the right to tell anyone else what they are supposed to believe in or can believe.
They always end up being 6 million pages long and we all know that nobody`s gonna` change their stance on things.
That being said,carry on! :)
wes, are you saying that the C & C Machine should be given the keys to the G & O?
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wes, are you saying that the C & C Machine should be given the keys to the G & O?
That might not be such a bad idea,and at least then Clavin will finally be on a freakin` list! LOL ;D
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thats bullshit wes. subjecitivty is bullshit. right is right and wrong is wrong. if somebody believes in something thats negative or if they make assertions without proof then they ought be confronted about it.
It`s all based on individual opinions bro.
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It`s all based on individual opinions bro.
no if something exists then it doesnt matter what peoples opinions are about it it still exists exactly the same
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no if something exists then it doesnt matter what peoples opinions are about it it still exists exactly the same
Some will say it exists (God) other will disagree.......opinions.
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Some will say it exists (God) other will disagree.......opinions.
so what. if someone goes around spouting off something that is dishonest or negative then they ought be confronted about it.
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That`s your opinion! ;D
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these are some interesting books on the subject, which explain a great deal about christianity. read BGE first, as the genealogy is its sequel.
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right we get it. all atheists are good people. and most christians are bad and the ones who aren't are just stupid. just please spare us all your stinking pile of bullshit ok? If i were to sit here and tell you that every gay guy i've ever met has been an asshole, you would have a field day with me telling me how ignorant I am. Yet you expect us to take it from you that ALL atheists are good people? just fucking stop making an ass of yourself.
truth is is that NO ONE knows the secrets of the universe and I have never met a group of people that i've considered "bad" and i have never met a group of people that are all "good". And neither have you. It's cute that you're sticking up for your little group of atheist friends and all just don't try and do it at the expense of others. OK?
My friend is gay and a giant asshole, it has nothing to do with his belief system or his sexuality, he's just a prick. Most atheists are good people leading just lives, so are most christians. I never said that christians were bad people, I said extreme christians are bad people, and I stand by that. If there are extreme atheists out there trying to ruin people's lives, show it to me. I have never seen it. But if they are out there trying to blow up churches where people want to worship, i would definitely say they're bad people. Most people are good, however, atheists aren't trying to keep anyone from being happy (like gays wanting to get married). Many christians, who are good people, but misled and going off the teachings of a ghost story, don't want to let gay people get married and be happy. One system believes in acceptance of all. The other system believes in adherence to their rules, or sin and go to hell. the same people who don't want gay marriage didn't want interfaith marriage, didn't want blacks to have equal rights, didn't want females to have the ability to vote, didn't want interracial marriage, etc... they don't want anything that might fuck with their total control.
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My friend is gay and a giant asshole, it has nothing to do with his belief system or his sexuality, he's just a prick. Most atheists are good people leading just lives, so are most christians. I never said that christians were bad people, I said extreme christians are bad people, and I stand by that. If there are extreme atheists out there trying to ruin people's lives, show it to me. I have never seen it. But if they are out there trying to blow up churches where people want to worship, i would definitely say they're bad people. Most people are good, however, atheists aren't trying to keep anyone from being happy (like gays wanting to get married). Many christians, who are good people, but misled and going off the teachings of a ghost story, don't want to let gay people get married and be happy. One system believes in acceptance of all. The other system believes in adherence to their rules, or sin and go to hell. the same people who don't want gay marriage didn't want interfaith marriage, didn't want blacks to have equal rights, didn't want females to have the ability to vote, didn't want interracial marriage, etc... they don't want anything that might fuck with their total control.
Ever been to China? ???
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My friend is gay and a giant asshole, it has nothing to do with his belief system or his sexuality, he's just a prick. Most atheists are good people leading just lives, so are most christians. I never said that christians were bad people, I said extreme christians are bad people, and I stand by that. If there are extreme atheists out there trying to ruin people's lives, show it to me. I have never seen it. But if they are out there trying to blow up churches where people want to worship, i would definitely say they're bad people. Most people are good, however, atheists aren't trying to keep anyone from being happy (like gays wanting to get married). Many christians, who are good people, but misled and going off the teachings of a ghost story, don't want to let gay people get married and be happy. One system believes in acceptance of all. The other system believes in adherence to their rules, or sin and go to hell. the same people who don't want gay marriage didn't want interfaith marriage, didn't want blacks to have equal rights, didn't want females to have the ability to vote, didn't want interracial marriage, etc... they don't want anything that might fuck with their total control.
You talk about how much you believe in acceptance yet you call a Christian's beliefs a "ridiculous belief in a ghost story" and you call their Supreme Being a "flying spaghetti monster". Your words are blatantly disrespectful to Christians and are obviously meant to be such. Backpedaling and saying that you think most are good people doesn't change the fact that your discourse in this thread has been meant to mock and ridicule these people. And then you accuse them of being intolerant? I don't have any good friends that are atheists. Are they all like you?
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Proud of what, being brainwashed silly from the very first years of your life?
Humans are unbelievable.
you ve been brainwashed into becoming an atheist yourself, you fucking mental midget. You believe in your own system of beliefs, your own religion which is atheism. You shit on christianism cause your own parents abandonned it. I bet your parents are separated btw.
What a miserable "rebellous" cretin.
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to be born is to be brainwashed.
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these are some interesting books on the subject, which explain a great deal about christianity. read BGE first, as the genealogy is its sequel.
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nietzsche attempted to cure himself of his psychological troubles by writing. His philosophy of the future is nihilism. Lot of people have abandonned religion to believe in nietszche, sartre, zappfe... and they dont reproduce or destroy their kids, abuse everything the modern world has to offer, be it material goods or drugs, ending on anti depressants.
God is dead? Too bad it means mankind's death, as men are His creation.
Nihilism means lets enjoy life even if at the expense of others until i die, considering there is nothing after death. Christians believe in hell and paradise, as a result do their best to live a good life while they re on earth.
You guys are so fucking ignorant about so many things i sometimes wonder if all of you without excepetion arent uneducated, unemployed kids living in their respective moms basements.
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to be born is to be brainwashed.
brainswashing is forcing WRONG, FALSE INFORMATIONS INTO SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT PROCESS.
Christianism -or other false religions as christianism is the only true one- help individuals to contribute to their family, community, society, specie to the benefit of everyone. It elevates people and gives a meaning to their existence, while depressed, abandonned, atheists lose the will to live sinking into all the modern addictions available. Ultimately atheists stop breeding and convince their children to not breed and to "enjoy life to the fullest". They sacrify their own offspring for their own confort instead of sacryfying themselves for them.
All false religions slowly disapear because they are ...false. Only remaining systems of beliefs are christianism, islam, confucianism, zen buddhism and atheism. But ultimately only one will remain.
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brainswashing is forcing WRONG, FALSE INFORMATIONS INTO SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT PROCESS.
Christianism -or other false religions as christianism is the only true one- help individuals to contribute to their family, community, society, specie to the benefit of everyone. It elevates people and gives a meaning to their existence, while depressed, abandonned, atheists lose the will to live sinking into all the modern addictions available. Ultimately atheists stop breeding and convince their children to not breed and to "enjoy life to the fullest". They sacrify their own offspring for their own confort instead of sacryfying themselves for them.
All false religions slowly disapear because they are ...false. Only remaining systems of beliefs are christianism, islam, confucianism, zen buddhism and atheism. But ultimately only one will remain.
You are very easy to toy with. I must say.
Uberman: provide evidence to support your claim that Christianity is true and that Jesus/God is the one true god and the creator of everything.
Thanks bro. I'll wait....
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You are very easy to toy with. I must say.
Uberman: provide evidence to support your claim that Christianity is true and that Jesus/God is the one true god and the creator of everything.
Thanks bro. I'll wait....
the only thing you re easily toying with is your noodle dick, "growthnoob" ::)...
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the only thing you re toying with is your noodle dick, you retard.
See? You can't even attempt to substantiate your beliefs. I wonder what it must be like to be so willingly ignorant. Honestly, you have to deliberately convince yourself to believe the horse shit you do.
And the insults were very Christian of you.
Do you want to try again? We all see you avoiding the question you smelly little pussy lol
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the qur'an is the word of god. not but one hamza out of place. nothing has been changed or will be changed in the qur'an. the qur'an is the final truth. other messages were sent by god but were corrupted over time.
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I survived Catholic school,now I have no religion at all,I just try to do the next right thing............though I do believe in God.
My faith has wavered at times.
the important thing is to believe in the one true god :)
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the qur'an is the word of god. not but one hamza out of place. nothing has been changed or will be changed in the qur'an. the qur'an is the final truth. other messages were sent by god but were corrupted over time.
So why aren't you out killing infidels?
Also, you know that this is the word of god, how exactly?
And isn't it strange how the creator of the universe, an omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent being could have some of the most wicked, absurd morality and get some of the most fundamental and primitive knowledge about the universe completely wrong.
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the “cave” is how i know :)
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nietzsche attempted to cure himself of his psychological troubles by writing. His philosophy of the future is nihilism. Lot of people have abandonned religion to believe in nietszche, sartre, zappfe... and they dont reproduce or destroy their kids, abuse everything the modern world has to offer, be it material goods or drugs, ending on anti depressants.
God is dead? Too bad it means mankind's death, as men are His creation.
Nihilism means lets enjoy life even if at the expense of others until i die, considering there is nothing after death. Christians believe in hell and paradise, as a result do their best to live a good life while they re on earth.
You guys are so fucking ignorant about so many things i sometimes wonder if all of you without excepetion arent uneducated, unemployed kids living in their respective moms basements.
have you read these books uberman? The chapter in which a character proclaims "god is dead" (found in The Gay Science) actually echoes many of your own posts -- it's a story / illustration which points out that modern men, who no longer believe in god and flaunt their atheism are in deep shit... they've got rid of the old values, but with no new ones to replace them they are threatened by, as you said, nihilism.
something that most people don't know: when he wrote beyond good and evil, nietzsche said the best book yet written in german was THE BIBLE.
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the qur'an is the word of god. not but one hamza out of place. nothing has been changed or will be changed in the qur'an. the qur'an is the final truth. other messages were sent by god but were corrupted over time.
Like the Bible.
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to be born is to be brainwashed.
When we are young...........our minds are extremely gullible and are like sponges and soak up everything we hear and those imposed thoughts/beliefs are forever staind/tattooed in our minds.
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I myself see Christianity as a worldly religion. Why is it trying to be the One dominant religion of the world then???? And why are there Christian based churches? Like i said in a previous post..........Real faith/believe come from within the Mind and heart........not from sitting in a building where religious thoughts/believes are mentally imposed on somebody.
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I myself see Christianity as a worldly religion. Why is it trying to be the One dominant religion of the world then???? And why are there Christian based churches? Like i said in a previous post..........Real faith/believe come from within the Mind and heart........not from sitting in a building where religious thoughts/believes are mentally imposed on somebody.
So you oppose Christianity, Christ, religion in general and organized churches, but you have no issue with faith or belief? What then do you have faith or belief in?
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I myself see Christianity as a worldly religion. Why is it trying to be the One dominant religion of the world then????
Christianity is not "worldly" but I think we've discussed our differing definitions of that before.
Christians are commanded to spread the gospel of Christ; this is a positive thing as long as it is not corrupted by man (which it unfortunately often is).
IrishMuscle, have you ever read Biblical accounts of Jesus' life? If so, what kind of world do you think we would live in if everyone truly followed His example?
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the “cave” is how i know :)
Can you answer my questions or not?
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Emotions can be proven to exist.
But thanks for coming out.
Interesting! How?
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A majority of ills suffered by mankind has at its root (often directly) religion.
Nope. Remove religion and you'll still have people causing the same, if not more suffering over silly stuff. Has nothing to do with religion.
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You talk about how much you believe in acceptance yet you call a Christian's beliefs a "ridiculous belief in a ghost story" and you call their Supreme Being a "flying spaghetti monster". Your words are blatantly disrespectful to Christians and are obviously meant to be such. Backpedaling and saying that you think most are good people doesn't change the fact that your discourse in this thread has been meant to mock and ridicule these people. And then you accuse them of being intolerant? I don't have any good friends that are atheists. Are they all like you?
I can be disrespectful to anyone, and call anyone an idiot, but I am not trying to legislate their ability to be an idiot. They can do whatever they want, worship whatever they want, etc... Why would i give a fuck? my problem is with people saying that other people can't do something because it contradicts their belief system.
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So you oppose Christianity, Christ, religion in general and organized churches, but you have no issue with faith or belief? What then do you have faith or belief in?
I Do not oppose GOD...........I oppose religion/organized churches. Going too church, any kind of church, is having Mentally imposed faith/beliefs put on oneself. Again, Real faith comes from ones own " individual " mind/heart not from sitting in church where others thoughts/beliefs are mentally imposed on someone.
My beliefs are simple.............Coexi st in peace and give others a helping hand when needed.
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I Do not oppose GOD...........I oppose religion/organized churches. Going too church, any kind of church, is having Mentally imposed faith/beliefs put on oneself. Again, Real faith comes from ones own " individual " mind/heart not from sitting in church where others thoughts/beliefs are mentally imposed on someone.
My beliefs are simple.............Coexi st in peace and give others a helping hand when needed.
No problem, I appreciate the response. I agree with you. There are forms of organized churches/religion that I don't care for either, but I can offer from personal experience that they aren't all bad. Attending worship/church with fellow believers is a great avenue for strengthening faith and growing your relationship with God. Excessive showmanship (lights, pyro and pro performers), mega-churches with soft ministry, pandering to the masses for emotional responsiveness with no substance can be off-putting for believers and nonbelievers alike.
So you aren't opposed to God, but do you believe in God? Or are you more of an agnostic? I just like to know who I'm talking to so I don't inadvertently offend someone; although for some the mere mention of God is "highly offensive" LOL!! (I apologize if that was offensive).
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Christianity is not "worldly" but I think we've discussed our differing definitions of that before.
Christians are commanded to spread the gospel of Christ; this is a positive thing as long as it is not corrupted by man (which it unfortunately often is).
IrishMuscle, have you ever read Biblical accounts of Jesus' life? If so, what kind of world do you think we would live in if everyone truly followed His example?
I think overall the world would be a horrible place.
Abandoning all possessions and taking no thought for the morrow? Loving your enemies? Turning the other cheek? The world would be in absolute anarchy.
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Abandoning all possessions and taking no thought for the morrow?
I'm confused...are you referring to a scripture here? If so, can you please post it?
Loving your enemies? Turning the other cheek? The world would be in absolute anarchy.
But you wouldn't have any enemies! :)
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Can you answer my questions or not?
the qur'an itself is a good proof.
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I cannot stand people who are bitter... and therefore feel the need to bash people who do have faith.
If you don't have faith.....fine....that is your right....but please don't put religion down....just because you have lost your faith.
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I've never lost faith in myself.
"No one needs Christ, Mohammed or Moses to enter heaven!
This is the biggest lie ever perpetrated against the human race!
The purpose of Christianity, Islam and Judaism is to control every aspect of a believer's life, to prevent them from exploring life and experiencing gnosis.
These are the religions of the damned. Illumination, the secret mystery religion is the antidote. There are no rules and no boundaries.
You shape yourself, you make yourself!
There is no one to save you other than yourself.
It's not Christ, Mohammed or Moses who's responsible for your life, it's you.
In the end, souls judge themselves.
Salvation comes to those who strive for the divine, not those who pick a holy book from the many available and slavishly follow it like robots.
Nothing is more disgusting than to see the masses of Christian, Jewish and Muslim androids, believing themselves to be human when they are merely machines.
Anyone who seeks an instruction manual craves to be instructed.
That is not the road to salvation.
Salvation doesn't lie in a rulebook. What matters is whether you have lived in the right way, with the right priorities and, above all, as an individual rather than a machine.
Reject all sacred texts.
Reject all prophets.
*** God is inside you. ***
You need no one and nothing else. You contain your own salvation...
The righteous always save themselves."
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Hi freespirit!
Was your above post written by you or someone else? If someone else can you please tell us who it is?
It is interesting.
Could you please explain how Christianity aims to "control every aspect of a believer's life [and] prevent them from exploring life and experiencing gnosis?"
Do you realize the Christian Bible is not a "rulebook" of rules to follow to "achieve salvation" and in fact states that we are "saved by faith through grace and not of works, so that no one can boast?" (Eph 2:8,9)
Also, does your quote indicate that people are their own God or did I misinterpret that?
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The religions that are still around are highly likely to stem from a single 'oldschool' one.
It reminds me of one factory producing 3 "different" products which will then be used by funnypeople to describe themselves as superior to the other. While in "reality" giving due props to a piece of wording that has cosmic meaning and origin(ongoing + coming wars, etc.).
I'm sure Übermann can enlighten us about above assumptions because he knows way more.
Islam is a joke in our country because the readings/teachings are in arab while the predominant number of listeners don't understand this language.
It is used as political leverage to further justify turkish influence.
Religions seem to try to describe in words what one can only feel if it need to be really authentic.
A shortcut to gain knowledge of religion/fate without reading is to take select mind altering substances - this is the "lazy" man's approach to wisdom... you don't even have to raise a finger or read a single line.
2012 is the end of times as we know it.
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Hi freespirit!
Was your above post written by you or someone else? If someone else can you please tell us who it is?
It is interesting.
Could you please explain how Christianity aims to "control every aspect of a believer's life [and] prevent them from exploring life and experiencing gnosis?"
Do you realize the Christian Bible is not a "rulebook" of rules to follow to "achieve salvation" and in fact states that we are "saved by faith through grace and not of works, so that no one can boast?" (Eph 2:8,9)
Also, does your quote indicate that people are their own God or did I misinterpret that?
I forgot who wrote that, but it sounds logic to me. Religion to me is brainwashing. There is no God in the heavens above who is going to send a messiah to save us. Human kind has to save itself, there's no other way. Gnosis is what you will find in yourself. Socrates guiding rule was: "know thyself".
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Human kind has to save itself,
What do you think the chances are that this could happen? Do you believe in a type of "heaven?"
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Christians have evolved. You don't see Christians killing people in huge numbers like Muslims. Christians who bomb buildings or whatever are outcasts/crazy sick people.
they didnt kill in the name of atheism you moron, they did what they did for humanism at least understand what you are supporting. Too many stupid people in this thread for me to suffer, it makes getbig hard to stay on. There are no logical inroads between atheism and killing others, none, suggest one for me to destroy.
religion is a belief specifically the major religions of mostly low iq people, and average people. Its a savage book of tales containing common sense that obstensibly is availible to all without ever having to read it, nor do the stories of rape help.
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I cannot stand people who are bitter... and therefore feel the need to bash people who do have faith.
If you don't have faith.....fine....that is your right....but please don't put religion down....just because you have lost your faith.
That's what so many believers say but don't practice towards those whose beliefs don't match theirs
Organized religion is the biggest sham of all time and continues to inhibit scientific advancement.
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I cannot stand people who are bitter... and therefore feel the need to bash people who do have faith.
If you don't have faith.....fine....that is your right....but please don't put religion down....just because you have lost your faith.
I can't stand those that support orginizations that teach absolutes, eternal torture and has a track record of violence and child molestation. I also, can't stand the special privileges relgions have in most countries, nor the indoctrination of children, call me bitter but religion is evil and has to die.
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I say absolutely do not get rid of religous organizations. As much as I don't like them we cannot choose to the right thing often enough as a species with out a moral compass based on religion and the threat of punishment for our sins in the after life.
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I cannot stand people who are bitter... and therefore feel the need to bash people who do have faith.
If you don't have faith.....fine....that is your right....but please don't put religion down....just because you have lost your faith.
I didn't "lose" any faith. I never had it.
People who make claims bear the burden of evidence. No religion has put forth any.
"Just because you have lost your faith" is a bitter statement in itself.
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I didn't "lose" any faith. I never had it.
People who make claims bear the burden of evidence. No religion has put forth any.
"Just because you have lost your faith" is a bitter statement in itself.
yes, don't attack the islamic crazies who killed those on sept 11th their book of magic didn't instruct them to do so, don't fight the rich vatican who sit in gold plated chairs while people starve, who rape children and threaten the population with thoughts of eternal torture to manipulate you. Don't fight against those who wish to turn the US into a christian theocracy, who want special privileges/rights and who endorse homophobia and inhibit the equal rights of all humans. Religion and what it stands for is disgusting, it brings nothing new to the table that all the religions man made before have.
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I cannot stand people who are bitter... and therefore feel the need to bash people who do have faith.
If you don't have faith.....fine....that is your right....but please don't put religion down....just because you have lost your faith.
There's a difference between critically evaluating a theory about the world (or, universe, really) that many people believe and simply "putting it down." Critical evaluation is important because we might as well see if there is any merit to these theories.
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I say absolutely do not get rid of religous organizations. As much as I don't like them we cannot choose to the right thing often enough as a species with out a moral compass based on religion and the threat of punishment for our sins in the after life.
Do you really think this? Think about some of its logical implications: you would be agnostic about rape's being wrong until a church came along and told you you'd be eternally punished for it. Is it really true that only then would you think the act was wrong? I hope not!
If not, then we've got that compass (or most of us, anyway) without any such church. If, on the other hand, you weren't able to figure out the act's wrongness without a religious declaration, you'd be what we call a psychopath!
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Do you really think this? Think about some of its logical implications: you would be agnostic about rape's being wrong until a church came along and told you you'd be eternally punished for it. Is it really true that only then would you think the act was wrong? I hope not!
If not, then we've got that compass (or most of us, anyway) without any such church. If, on the other hand, you weren't able to figure out the act's wrongness without a religious declaration, you'd be what we call a psychopath!
It is plain to see that at least most Christians have a higher order of morals than their own religion.
How else to explain why they are able to believe in some parts of the bible while ignoring others?
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Do you really think this? Think about some of its logical implications: you would be agnostic about rape's being wrong until a church came along and told you you'd be eternally punished for it. Is it really true that only then would you think the act was wrong? I hope not!
If not, then we've got that compass (or most of us, anyway) without any such church. If, on the other hand, you weren't able to figure out the act's wrongness without a religious declaration, you'd be what we call a psychopath!
No I don't think that at all. I think people in general are not advanced morally enough to do the right thing with out some religious doctrine tellng them to do so. They have a moral compass, but do not listen to it without the threat of punishment in the after life.
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I didn't "lose" any faith. I never had it.
People who make claims bear the burden of evidence. No religion has put forth any.
"Just because you have lost your faith" is a bitter statement in itself.
do atheist not claim that God doesnt exist?
where is there proof?
abscence of proof for one argument does not prove the opposite stance by the way...
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Do you really think this? Think about some of its logical implications: you would be agnostic about rape's being wrong until a church came along and told you you'd be eternally punished for it. Is it really true that only then would you think the act was wrong? I hope not!
If not, then we've got that compass (or most of us, anyway) without any such church. If, on the other hand, you weren't able to figure out the act's wrongness without a religious declaration, you'd be what we call a psychopath!
by what measure do you believe that it is wrong?
what basis do you have to tell someone they are wrong if they believe rape is ok?
no they would be called a sociopath, psychopaths have problems with reality...sociopaths just dont subscribe to the same line of thinking but still have a firm sense of what is real and isnt.
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by what measure do you believe that it is wrong?
what basis do you have to tell someone they are wrong if they believe rape is ok?
no they would be called a sociopath, psychopaths have problems with reality...sociopaths just dont subscribe to the same line of thinking but still have a firm sense of what is real and isnt.
Victim/harm principle.
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do atheist not claim that God doesnt exist?
where is there proof?
abscence of proof for one argument does not prove the opposite stance by the way...
The burden of proof is not mine.
Is it up to you to prove to me that unicorns and dragons don't exist?
Can you prove that I can't fly just using my arms?
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The burden of proof is not mine.
Is it up to you to prove to me that unicorns and dragons don't exist?
Can you prove that I can't fly just using my arms?
LOL thats very nice but it goes against your premise.
The onus of proof is on the person making the claim.
In science, disproving the null does not prove the alternative.
so not being able to prove God exists doesnt mean that God doesnt exist.
why do you hold religious ppl to scientific standards but not yourself?
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LOL thats very nice but it goes against your premise.
The onus of proof is on the person making the claim.
In science, disproving the null does not prove the alternative.
so not being able to prove God exists doesnt mean that God doesnt exist.
why do you hold religious ppl to scientific standards but not yourself?
I know you're trying really hard, but it's not working.
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Victim/harm principle.
I see, and by what measure do you believe that person is a victim and they are being harmed?
without common basis for morals, who are you to tell me I am doing wrong?
what if I dont subscribe to your victim/harm principle?
what if I subscribe to the survival of the fittest? what is necessary for continuation of my bloodline is right...
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I know you're trying really hard, but it's not working.
good response....
so no answer then?
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I see, and by what measure do you believe that person is a victim and they are being harmed?
without common basis for morals, who are you to tell me I am doing wrong?
what if I dont subscribe to your victim/harm principle?
what if I subscribe to the survival of the fittest? what is necessary for continuation of my bloodline is right...
Good points, however, I think it still applies. Maybe you can come up with a scenario where this principle would have trouble. Like with the bloodline thing, but with more detail or info.
Rape, murder, and theft all have a victim who is harmed. War's are hard to determine either way because they are usually justifiable to the attacker in some way and immoral to the defender with or without religion.
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good response....
so no answer then?
Your conclusions aren't really conclusions, they are just where you get tired of thinking.
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Your conclusions aren't really conclusions, they are just where you get tired of thinking.
how so?
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Your conclusions aren't really conclusions, they are just where you get tired of thinking.
a response without a response, very talented...
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a response without a response, very talented...
Par for the course. :D
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Good points, however, I think it still applies. Maybe you can come up with a scenario where this principle would have trouble. Like with the bloodline thing, but with more detail or info.
Rape, murder, and theft all have a victim who is harmed. War's are hard to determine either way because they are usually justifiable to the attacker in some way and immoral to the defender with or without religion.
I agree that ppl are being harmed I have no issue there.
My point is that the ppl commiting those attrocities may not feel that doing harm in that way is wrong.
You are trying to hold them to your arbitrary views of right and wrong.
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I agree that ppl are being harmed I have no issue there.
My point is that the ppl commiting those attrocities may not feel that doing harm in that way is wrong.
You are trying to hold them to your arbitrary views of right and wrong.
Religion is just as ineffective in that regard.
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Religion is just as ineffective in that regard.
not disagreeing with you there
There is however a slight distinction, with religion your views of right and wrong shouldnt really change b/c they are based in that respective religious text.
In a world of atheism, what is the basis for moral views?
what is to keep a person from constantly changing that belief to fit their current situation?
there isnt anything, its an arbitrary value system that can change with the wind and situations.
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not disagreeing with you there
There is however a slight distinction, with religion your views of right and wrong shouldnt really change b/c they are based in that respective religious text.
In a world of atheism, what is the basis for moral views?
what is to keep a person from constantly changing that belief to fit their current situation?
there isnt anything, its an arbitrary value system that can change with the wind and situations.
The victim principle and common sense just as religion is supposed to do, but both sometimes fail to achieve their purpose.
Addtionally. I have to disagree with you on "changing belief to fit the wind and situations". Religions seem to do that all the time.
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The victim principle and common sense just as religion is supposed to do, but both sometimes fail to achieve their purpose.
Addtionally. I have to disagree with you on "changing belief to fit the wind and situations". Religions seem to do that all the time.
Agreed on religion doing that but there are also religious ppl who dont change their beliefs. Just ask our atheist friends here on the board. Im sure they would be more than happy to regail us with their views of "ignorant, non thinking, moronic religious ppl"
By citing the victim principle you assume that we all have the same base of morality. Its common sense to do what you have to do to survive as well. That will put you at odds with the victim principle from time to time.
and its then when ppl will change their views to suit their current situation. They will rationalize their actions b/c its human nature to do so, even if those actions fly in the face of their held beliefs.
The difference is that with religion you have a certain set of guidelines that says this is right and this is wrong.
The victim principle and common sense look different depending on what side of the situation you are on.
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Agreed on religion doing that but there are also religious ppl who dont change their beliefs. Just ask our atheist friends here on the board. Im sure they would be more than happy to regail us with their views of "ignorant, non thinking, moronic religious ppl"
By citing the victim principle you assume that we all have the same base of morality. Its common sense to do what you have to do to survive as well. That will put you at odds with the victim principle from time to time.
and its then when ppl will change their views to suit their current situation. They will rationalize their actions b/c its human nature to do so, even if those actions fly in the face of their held beliefs.
The difference is that with religion you have a certain set of guidelines that says this is right and this is wrong.
The victim principle and common sense look different depending on what side of the situation you are on.
I don't see how that's different. There are many sets of guidelines in many different religions and the sore values they have in common can be compared to the victim principle and how it varies slightly with atheist. Also, I am sure there are many atheist that won't change their moral compass ever.
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LOL thats very nice but it goes against your premise.
The onus of proof is on the person making the claim.
In science, disproving the null does not prove the alternative.
so not being able to prove God exists doesnt mean that God doesnt exist.
why do you hold religious ppl to scientific standards but not yourself?
Our investigations into the world are biased towards non-existence (and rightfully so). By this, I mean that we only posit the existence of something if we need it in order to explain some feature of the world. So, we don't posit invisible gnomes unless there's a damned good reason to believe they exist. Positing invisible gnomes explains precisely nothing, so we don't bother.
When it comes to "God," there is no need to posit this entity, because thus far we've been able to explain things without it (including the beginning of the universe). Thus, unless a compelling reason can be given explaining why positing God is necessary, the default stance ought to be atheism (and this is with regards to all conceptions of God, not just the Christian).
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Our investigations into the world are biased towards non-existence (and rightfully so). By this, I mean that we only posit the existence of something if we need it in order to explain some feature of the world. So, we don't posit invisible gnomes unless there's a damned good reason to believe they exist. Positing invisible gnomes explains precisely nothing, so we don't bother.
When it comes to "God," there is no need to posit this entity, because thus far we've been able to explain things without it (including the beginning of the universe). Thus, unless a compelling reason can be given explaining why positing God is necessary, the default stance ought to be atheism (and this is with regards to all conceptions of God, not just the Christian).
this is called logic.
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Our investigations into the world are biased towards non-existence (and rightfully so). By this, I mean that we only posit the existence of something if we need it in order to explain some feature of the world. So, we don't posit invisible gnomes unless there's a damned good reason to believe they exist. Positing invisible gnomes explains precisely nothing, so we don't bother.
When it comes to "God," there is no need to posit this entity, because thus far we've been able to explain things without it (including the beginning of the universe). Thus, unless a compelling reason can be given explaining why positing God is necessary, the default stance ought to be atheism (and this is with regards to all conceptions of God, not just the Christian).
very eloquent...
unfortunately in science, not proving the null does not prove the alternative.
Meaning...that without proof for or against God the default stance is not knowing.
who are you to judge what serves as reason to believe for someone?
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very eloquent...
unfortunately in science, not proving the null does not prove the alternative.
Meaning...that without proof for or against God the default stance is not knowing.
who are you to judge what serves as reason to believe for someone?
So you would agree that invisible gnomes might control space aliens who, in turn, control the actions of humans.
It's never been proven or dis-proven, so we just don't know.
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So you would agree that invisible gnomes might control space aliens who, in turn, control the actions of humans.
It's never been proven or dis-proven, so we just don't know.
cant disprove it...
can you disprove God?
Im not going to bash you for believing in your gnomes, why should you bash ppl for believing in God?
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because god in the vast majority of the incarnations and imagination is completely illogical
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who are you to judge what serves as reason to believe for someone?
Logic is a big part of reason, and presumably we want to adhere to reason when we try to establish our beliefs. I don't "judge" how people form their beliefs, logic does. You are free to form beliefs based on superstition, personal emotional reasons, or whatever else. But logic dictates the proper way to go about it.
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Logic is a big part of reason, and presumably we want to adhere to reason when we try to establish our beliefs. I don't "judge" how people form their beliefs, logic does. You are free to form beliefs based on superstition, personal emotional reasons, or whatever else. But logic dictates the proper way to go about it.
is this the same logic that leads you to believe that society should normalize and promote gay relationships?
for a non believer and someone who presumably believes in natural selection and evolution you sure have a funny way of showing it, logically that is...
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cant disprove it...
can you disprove God?
Im not going to bash you for believing in your gnomes, why should you bash ppl for believing in God?
I don't seek to make laws about my gnome beliefs, that others should live and/or suffer by.
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is this the same logic that leads you to believe that society should normalize and promote gay relationships?
for a non believer and someone who presumably believes in natural selection and evolution you sure have a funny way of showing it, logically that is...
so to believe in natural selection means we can't evolve past it? that we must be confined to it's tenets despite the clear ability we have to avoid it's pitfalls? there is no logic in what you are suggesting, i believe in gravity but we fly planes don't we? Gayness happens in the wilderness constantly, for you to suggest propagation is a reason to nullify gay marriage or relationships is not only bigoted but retarded on every level. We are already seeing the issues of over population and their are plenty of kids with no families who presumably could use them. I expect you to kill everyone in your family if they have an illness.
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Because atheists have done such a great job ::)
Radical Muslims = want to kill anyone that isn't them
Radical Christianity = Wants to help and give to people around the world.
I swear I think I just inadvertently come on here just to dumb myself down :(
Please tell me you arent serious...
Check this out.. .it isnt to start an argument.. just show you that All religions kill in the name of _________________
Christianity is no less bloody than Islam
http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html
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We can't seem to convince this guy otherwise, but we know the delights of the afterlife that await us because we accept the truth of gnomes, and the immense (and never-ending) torture that awaits this man for denying the truth of gnomes.
Time to spread the word of the gnomes. By the sword, if need be.
A gnome once told me to invade Iraq, but I wasn't president.
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is this the same logic that leads you to believe that society should normalize and promote gay relationships?
for a non believer and someone who presumably believes in natural selection and evolution you sure have a funny way of showing it, logically that is...
come back to reality
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I just don't like the intolerance so many atheists display towards the religious LOL