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i wonder
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HAHAHA. Yes. Easily
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I have been thinking about this a lot lately too.
Deep thought.
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315 bench is not an impressive bench. And what the fuck do you mean "fat"? Morbidly obese? I.e. 25%?
You can obviously hit 315 naturally. Just won't be doing it for any quality reps.
Strength is not the measuring stick of what is possible naturally in bodybuilding. Muscle mass and bodyfat is.
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You mean average or less-than-average genetics, PNS ? ;)
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HAHAHA. Yes. Easily
Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.
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Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.
Prove it.
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You mean average or less-than-average genetics, PNS ? ;)
hahaha you remain funny every time.....
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315 bench is not an impressive bench. And what the fuck do you mean "fat"? Morbidly obese? I.e. 25%?
i mean at least vague abs and veins in the arms type moderately lean
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dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using or not using
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i mean at least vague abs and veins in the arms type moderately lean
You can't achieve that if you are genetically just a skinny fucker. You need to have been muscular, 150 160 at 5'9 and 15% or so bodyfat before lifting to even think you can bench 315 naturally to begin with.
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dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using or not using
skinpoppin' skyboppin'baby let the needle burnskydivin' mainlinin'it's the point of no return
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OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!
I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.
No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.
He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.
Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.
Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.
Trained by himself on base in a power rack.
The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.
I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.
I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.
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You can't achieve that if you are genetically just a skinny fucker. You need to have been muscular, 150 160 at 5'9 and 15% or so bodyfat before lifting to even think you can bench 315 naturally to begin with.
Bullshit. Seen way skinnier bench that.
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The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.
You should have asked him to marry you, Wes ! ;)
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Brutal strength is something you don't need drugs for, just a good training program. Even when you come off drugs if you do happen to use them, you should still have quite a fuckload of strength afterwards. I benched 350lbs for 3 reps when I did Superdrol for the first time and even when I didn't have anything in my system for a year I could still throw up 3 plates.
I've seen other true naturals bench even more than that, and I'm not saying it was an impressive feat at all. I always thought that I was pretty weak, especially after believing all the fake stats from people on bodybuilding.com. People in real life think I lift heavy but between the fake stats and natural liars, I don't really know what's strong and what's weak. Everyone fucking lies. But I've seen REAL naturals bench as much as me, even more, so it's definitely possible.
Outside of power lifting, showing off and ego-lifting, I don't see any reason to bench that high. That's begging for an injury. I don't bench anymore than 225lbs on flat because anything more than that takes away from my chest and starts getting sketchy for the shoulder joint. Even if I were 20lbs heavier in pure muscle I couldn't see myself needing to bench much more than that at all.
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You should have asked him to marry you, Wes ! ;)
Exit only here bro!! ;)
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Brutal strength is something you don't need drugs for, just a good training program. Even when you come off drugs if you do happen to use them, you should still have quite a fuckload of strength afterwards. I benched 350lbs for 3 reps when I did Superdrol for the first time and even when I didn't have anything in my system for a year I could still throw up 3 plates.
I've seen other true naturals bench even more than that, and I'm not saying it was an impressive feat at all. I always thought that I was pretty weak, especially after believing all the fake stats from people on bodybuilding.com. People in real life think I lift heavy but between the fake stats and natural liars, I don't really know what's strong and what's weak. Everyone fucking lies. But I've seen REAL naturals bench as much as me, even more, so it's definitely possible.
Outside of power lifting, showing off and ego-lifting, I don't see any reason to bench that high. That's begging for an injury. I don't bench anymore than 225lbs on flat because anything more than that takes away from my chest and starts getting sketchy for the shoulder joint. Even if I were 20lbs heavier in pure muscle I couldn't see myself needing to bench much more than that at all.
Agree with all of this.
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We had another guy who powerlifted........weigh ed 198..........370 bench in a contest with a pause.
Some guys are just cockstrong and built for power......thick bones and built like tanks.
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Yes, #315 is a decent bench achievable by most folks of normal size that are willing to consistently put the time in under the bar. It's not a 1 or 2 years of training type thing, but if you've got a decent amount of quality training under your belt, you should be able to hit that for a rep.
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OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!
I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.
No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.
He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.
Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.
Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.
Trained by himself on base in a power rack.
The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.
I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.
I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.
total BS according to GH15...
ive been saying and giving proof like this for as long as gh15 has been spruiking his loser, "ive never trained a day without roids and never met anyone who doesnt roid" - gospel...
i still meet, from time to time, an old family friend, who is 53 now, currently benching 160kg for 5 strict, controlled, reps..lifetime natural..was doing 180kg in his youth.
(thats 350 and 395 lb for those who havent updated their systems of units). guy's 5'9". naturally lean, naturally virtually hairless, of dutch origin..prolly weighs around 210 from what i can guess, maybe 220.
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Train A LOT, be consistent in increasing weight gradually and have solid bones and cartilage material.
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Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.
Sounds like you are 16 years old. 315 is easily acheivable to someone who has been working out regularly for 3-4 years. I was all natural like a dumbass at the time working my ass off and at 19 I was lifting 315 and was pretty lean. Fuckers my age who were juicing were putting up 4 plates a side and I was working hard, eating boiled egg whites, plain canned tuna every 2 hours for months on end and wondering how all of these dudes are passing me in the bench. If only I juiced then.
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You do realize why he was lighter and weak after being so strong and how he gained his strength back quickly was because he was juicing.
OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!
I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.
No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.
He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.
Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.
Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.
Trained by himself on base in a power rack.
The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.
I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.
I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.
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so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?
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Wendler's 531 works, Starr's 5x5 works, Coan's bench press stuff works, Hepburn works, old Westside works, etc.....
Honestly, most of the decent mid to low rep programs will work, the key is to be consistant, you can't have training ADD where you change programs every few weeks. Some of the strongest guys use boring programs, they just make sure to show up and grind it out week after week.
Also, assuming form is correct, you can't expect big jumps with a program, personally I'd consider a 10-20lb gain each training cycle to be a great gain for a intermediate level lifter, and even smaller for an advanced lifter.
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Wendler's 531 works, Starr's 5x5 works, Coan's bench press stuff works, Hepburn works, old Westside works, etc.....
Honestly, most of the decent mid to low rep programs will work, the key is to be consistant, you can't have training ADD where you change programs every few weeks. Some of the strongest guys use boring programs, they just make sure to show up and grind it out week after week.
Also, assuming form is correct, you can't expect big jumps with a program, personally I'd consider a 10-20lb gain each training cycle to be a great gain for a intermediate level lifter, and even smaller for an advanced lifter.
ed coan's bench press program in his video is basically a bodybuilding routine
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friend of mine can bench 315 for 8 perfect reps, and hes 100% natural. I know for a fact hes natural, guy wouldnt touch roids for anything. Hes pritty weak in everything else though, cuz his whole workout is pritty much benchpressing and he half asses everything else. He has a huge chest and tris and everythiung else is so so.
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ed coan's bench press program in his video is basically a bodybuilding routine
It's old school linear periodization with bodybuilding assistance added in, it's good stuff.
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I've seen many guys over the course of my 20 years working out that have been able to not only bench 315 lbs while naturally, but even manage to get 8-10 reps with that weight.
That weight is not all that difficult to move. If you train for it and progressively increase your weight on the bench via small increments, it is very possible.
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You do realize why he was lighter and weak after being so strong and how he gained his strength back quickly was because he was juicing.
It`s certainly possible but the only time I knew him to juice and this is gospel as me and this kid were best friends for many years.........he did 20-40 mgs. of CIBA Labs D-Bol.......that was good shit and I know he never used any injectables.
The guy was driven,and never slacked and once you have a lot of muscle,lose it,muscle memory makes it a helluva` lot easier to get it back especially with this guys work ethic.
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total BS according to GH15...
ive been saying and giving proof like this for as long as gh15 has been spruiking his loser, "ive never trained a day without roids and never met anyone who doesnt roid" - gospel...
i still meet, from time to time, an old family friend, who is 53 now, currently benching 160kg for 5 strict, controlled, reps..lifetime natural..was doing 180kg in his youth.
(thats 350 and 395 lb for those who havent updated their systems of units). guy's 5'9". naturally lean, naturally virtually hairless, of dutch origin..prolly weighs around 210 from what i can guess, maybe 220.
Lots of very strong guys out there natural and enhanced.
you can`t just make a blanket statement.........well you can,but you shouldn`t.
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so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?
benching a lot and strength in general has a lot to do with speed also. Learn how to use hip/leg drive it is very important in benching the most you can also keeping the upper back very tight you should be very tight on the bench all togther dave tate can explain it good watch his videos on youtube i.e dave tate learn to bench or something like that
bench day1
bench heavy working up to 3-5 sets of low rep work
dumbell benching 2-3 set 12-20 heavy high rep sets kinda explosive
skull crushers 3 sets or 6 -12 reps
chins/pull downs 2-3 sets
bench day 2
speed benching 6 sets 3 reps 60-70% or so of you 1 rep max lower normal then pause then bench as fast as possible
close grip benching or close grip floor press 3 set of 4-8 reps
machine rows 3 sets of 10-12 reps
it is my opinion delt work such as over headpressing will usually hurt you more then help you in the quest to bench a lot
maybe throw in pushdowns/cable or hammer curls and plate raises for delts on either or both days if have extra energy. That would be all of your upper body training. You can be a better powerlifter then bodybuilder natural and look good to.
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i benched closed to 315 when i weighted 90kg, i guess if i kept trying id bench it eventually. it wasn't easy and i used all those powerlifting techniques (arched back, etc) to bench it, but i managed to do it for 1 rep. used to watch tate's videos, that stuff is awesome and helps alot!
there is a kid at my gym who is about 21 years old, weighs 75kg, very lean and kinda skinny looking. he benched 315 easily for 1rm (also arching etc) and probably benched even more than that (i just didnt witness it). he looks 100% natural, even smaller than you pns.
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i benched closed to 315 when i weighted 90kg, i guess if i kept trying id bench it eventually. it wasn't easy and i used all those powerlifting techniques (arched back, etc) to bench it, but i managed to do it for 1 rep.
there is a kid at my gym who is about 21 years old, weighs 75kg, very lean and kinda skinny looking. he benched 315 easily for 1rm (also arching etc) and probably benched even more than that (i just didnt witness it). he looks 100% natural, even smaller than you pns.
I got to 315 also knowing nothing of powerlifting techniques and also getting flithy drunk 5 times a week at least
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dont be silly 315 is a number only the very obese can obtain ::)
ps. smolov, its a bitch but it works
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Is this some kind of joke?
I did 315 in high school. I was a bodybuilder, but there were tons of kids, gassed or not, who smoked that.
3-4 years of training, max, someone should be able to bench at least 300 plus, bodyweight depending.
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Is this some kind of joke?
I did 315 in high school. I was a bodybuilder, but there were tons of kids, gassed or not, who smoked that.
3-4 years of training, max, someone should be able to bench at least 300 plus, bodyweight depending.
height comes into play with this also
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I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.
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I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.
You should train at a "fitness centrum", Zwabber...... ;)
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so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?
get off couch, drive in car, go into gym, lift weights, drink shake, leave gym, get in car, drive home, jerk off to tranny porn, take a nap, shower, rinse and repeat.
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315 is a great bench especially if you are tall since you are moving the weight more distance
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NO FUCKING WAY.
A lean (12%bf max) nattie can not bench 315. Never believe otherwise.
Forget about repping that out.
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my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench
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my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench
That's not bad, my friend..
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dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using or not using
He doesn't need to do that. The problem (assuming this isn't just a gimmick or troll) is that he thinks that he either has to stay lean (or small) and be weak or get "fat" to be bigger and stronger.
NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, steroids or no steroids. That's a fact of life. If you're training without anabolics, the likelihood his that when you train and eat for size, 50-60% of your gains will be muscle. But didn't a certain Austrian guy say something to the effect of "You can't sculpt a pebble; you sculpt a big piece of granite"?
If you want size and strength, train for size and strength. Worry about being lean later.
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That's not bad, my friend..
it is still vvery far removed from 315lbs for a legit rep which would be 143kg or so
stuart mc robert writes a nobody can achieve a 315 bench
so far i dont see this happening within 5 years
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I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.
Exactly, man!!!
I posted religiously on bodybuilding.com and was amazed at how everyone on the internet was a massive beast throwing around crazy weights. I lifted as hard as I could and ended up smoking 315lbs but realized it was just a handful of people that actually lifted that heavy in real life. A few legit naturals I knew, a few juicers and that was about it. It's not like it's too tough or anything but it goes to show how much people lie online. I've been to multiple gyms and also trained at a few gyms in the US anytime I went down there, and it was the same shit down there too.
The one good thing about that though is that it showed me how strong the mind is too. I probably never would have pressed over 135lbs had I heard about "how heavy" people online were lifting. I didn't think it was possible until I heard of people supposedly throwing around big weights like it was nothing. I lifted as hard as I could and made sure to continually progress and then I hit all my goals. It made me realize that a lot of it is in our heads too. If I didn't think that it was super easy, I probably would have kept all the mental roadblocks in place and never lifted heavy at all. I'm glad that people online are insecure pieces of shit because it worked out in my favour. :)
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my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench
hmmm high 280s...i have to call bs.
I don't doubt you could've moved the bar but i wasn't a legit rep.
on a side note who gives a shit. Benching is for tools. And maxing out is for retarded tools. Use 1-2 plates per side, rep out, and grow.
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He doesn't need to do that. The problem (assuming this isn't just a gimmick or troll) is that he thinks that he either has to stay lean (or small) and be weak or get "fat" to be bigger and stronger.
NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, steroids or no steroids. That's a fact of life. If you're training without anabolics, the likelihood his that when you train and eat for size, 50-60% of your gains will be muscle. But didn't a certain Austrian guy say something to the effect of "You can't sculpt a pebble; you sculpt a big piece of granite"?
If you want size and strength, train for size and strength. Worry about being lean later.
i actually stay lean and small despite eating plenty amounts of calories even a lot of "crap" too and no cardio
still i would hate to be fat, it shortens ur dick
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it is still vvery far removed from 315lbs for a legit rep which would be 143kg or so
stuart mc robert writes a nobody can achieve a 315 bench
so far i dont see this happening within 5 years
Stuart McRobert should be killed with fire, but it really has to do with your structure. Dwarfs with short arms like Columbu are able to bench 400 easily without gear...
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it is still vvery far removed from 315lbs for a legit rep which would be 143kg or so
stuart mc robert writes a nobody can achieve a 315 bench
so far i dont see this happening within 5 years
are you training as a powerlifter or using fullbody workouts. I don't see it happening on 4-5 days splits doing each muscle once a week ei bench in some form at least 2 times a week. Train the whole upper body as a unit. Copy a benchers training scott mendhenhall comes to mind
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hmmm high 280s...i have to call bs.
I don't doubt you could've moved the bar but i wasn't a legit rep.
on a side note who gives a shit. Benching is for tools. And maxing out is for retarded tools. Use 1-2 plates per side, rep out, and grow.
i went down to the chest and back up but ass got off the bench so somehow get leg pull in there
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are you training as a powerlifter or using fullbody workouts. I don't see it happening on 4-5 days splits doing each muscle once a week ei bench in some form at least 2 times a week. Train the whole upper body as a unit. Copy a benchers training scott mendhenhall comes to mind
i try to use them 5x5 routines written by glenn pendley/mark rippetoe/bill star
which is basically bench on monday and friday, piramid one heavy set on monday (3 or 5 rep)and 5x5 or 3x3 on friday and shoulder pressing on wednesday
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Just stick to that if you want a big bench......if you want that.
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Just stick to that if you want a big bench......if you want that.
i just want to be able to put 3 shiny plates each side
it looks magical
(totally given up on any idea of getting big and shredded)
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Patience, grasshopper.....
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I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.
EXACTLY
i come from the town of "bench press guys" as another full powerliftering dude (squat, bench, dead) used to call us (that town being Columbus, Ohio) and a 315 bench was not so common
there was a fella named JM Blakely and he was one of those "bench press guys" and he could only press 440 @ 220 and he was far from natural
a legit 315 bench is VERY IMPRESSIVE
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EXACTLY
i come from the town of "bench press ####" as another full powerliftering dude (squat, bench, dead) used to call us (that town being Columbus, Ohio) and a 315 bench was not so common
there was a fella named JM Blakely and he was one of those "bench press ####" and he could only press 440 @ 220 and he was far from natural
a legit 315 bench is VERY IMPRESSIVE
You live in a shit hole town with purely 9-5ers who go to the gym (planet fitness) to read their kindle.
So naturally, no one there will be benching 135, let alone 315.
In the real world however, most of us have seen a good few people benching 3 plates.
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Lots of very strong guys out there natural and enhanced.
you can`t just make a blanket statement.........well you can,but you shouldn`t.
Muscle memory is very legit. Like cosmic karma, the fact that you have busted your balls to get that muscle means that it is never far away. Seen this with a few older guys i know (no homo).
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I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.
Have you played sports, went to college, went to a gym, live in a city? At my college the male cheerleaders benched 3 plates a side. No joke. Almost everyone on the football team could lift 3 plates easily.
Now if you go to a curves or 24 hour fitness then you might not see that many.
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NO FUCKING WAY.
A lean (12%bf max) nattie can not bench 315. Never believe otherwise.
Forget about repping that out.
You really mean this ?
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Brutal strength is something you don't need drugs for, just a good training program. Even when you come off drugs if you do happen to use them, you should still have quite a fuckload of strength afterwards. I benched 350lbs for 3 reps when I did Superdrol for the first time and even when I didn't have anything in my system for a year I could still throw up 3 plates.
I've seen other true naturals bench even more than that, and I'm not saying it was an impressive feat at all. I always thought that I was pretty weak, especially after believing all the fake stats from people on bodybuilding.com. People in real life think I lift heavy but between the fake stats and natural liars, I don't really know what's strong and what's weak. Everyone fucking lies. But I've seen REAL naturals bench as much as me, even more, so it's definitely possible.
Outside of power lifting, showing off and ego-lifting, I don't see any reason to bench that high. That's begging for an injury. I don't bench anymore than 225lbs on flat because anything more than that takes away from my chest and starts getting sketchy for the shoulder joint. Even if I were 20lbs heavier in pure muscle I couldn't see myself needing to bench much more than that at all.
Very good post...especially the comment on bb.com,where everyone seems to add at least 20lbs. to their bodyweight and God knows how much to their lifts-especially bench
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Yes I saw a lot of guys in college get more than that. At the beggining of our weight training we would max out. Then take a percentage of that and do reps. Every week we would add more weight. We all gained a good amount of strenght by the end of the program. Having a spotter and all the motivation really helped. Guys cheering you on etc.
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Yes I saw a lot of guys in college get more than that. At the beggining of our weight training we would max out. Then take a percentage of that and do reps. Every week we would add more weight. We all gained a good amount of strenght by the end of the program. Having a spotter and all the motivation really helped. Guys cheering you on etc.
What always amazed me is the guys who didn't look like they could but they'd be strong fuckers.
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Very good post...especially the comment on bb.com,where everyone seems to add at least 20lbs. to their bodyweight and God knows how much to their lifts-especially bench
Dude, add an extra 0 onto that. Those kids are all fucking brainwashed liars.
I thought that because it was a site so huge that there's no way it could be a collusion, but I was wrong. It's a cult just like religion. You wouldn't think millions of people would be that fucking retarded, but then you learn the sad truth and lose faith in humanity. Ah well, as least I can really lift what I claim lol... even though lifting that heavy does absolutely nothing but hammer the CNS and put you at risk for injury. :(
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i actually stay lean and small despite eating plenty amounts of calories even a lot of "crap" too and no cardio
still i would hate to be fat, it shortens ur dick
Define "fat".
And define "plenty of calories". What's your bodyweight and your caloric intake?
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Dude, add an extra 0 onto that. Those kids are all fucking brainwashed liars.
I thought that because it was a site so huge that there's no way it could be a collusion, but I was wrong. It's a cult just like religion. You wouldn't think millions of people would be that fucking retarded, but then you learn the sad truth and lose faith in humanity. Ah well, as least I can really lift what I claim lol... even though lifting that heavy does absolutely nothing but hammer the CNS and put you at risk for injury. :(
Those are the exact same kids that will saturate the GH15 website and get milked for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is a sad thing.
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Those are the exact same kids that will saturate the GH15 website and get milked for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is a sad thing.
It's better that they know the truth so they can make an informed decision. A lot of they will refuse to take the unnatural path and that will be their choice. But at least they won't get milked from the supplement industry. If they take steroids and GH they'll get the results that are claimed.
I wish I had known that before I spent thousands on supplements. I would have just kept training naturally until I felt I was ready for juice, then I would have juiced. Wasted so much fucking money... :(
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Exactly, man!!!
I posted religiously on bodybuilding.com and was amazed at how everyone on the internet was a massive beast throwing around crazy weights. I lifted as hard as I could and ended up smoking 315lbs but realized it was just a handful of people that actually lifted that heavy in real life. A few legit naturals I knew, a few juicers and that was about it. It's not like it's too tough or anything but it goes to show how much people lie online. I've been to multiple gyms and also trained at a few gyms in the US anytime I went down there, and it was the same shit down there too.
The one good thing about that though is that it showed me how strong the mind is too. I probably never would have pressed over 135lbs had I heard about "how heavy" people online were lifting. I didn't think it was possible until I heard of people supposedly throwing around big weights like it was nothing. I lifted as hard as I could and made sure to continually progress and then I hit all my goals. It made me realize that a lot of it is in our heads too. If I didn't think that it was super easy, I probably would have kept all the mental roadblocks in place and never lifted heavy at all. I'm glad that people online are insecure pieces of shit because it worked out in my favour. :)
Haha, so true. If everyone online told their real stats I'd be far less inclined to work my ass off in the gym. But when I keep reading that everyone is repping 300+ it makes me feel weak so I work harder.
On a side note, it took me over four months of solid trenbolone usage to get a 300+ lb bench. I flat bench maybe once a month, I only do incline smith bench, incline dumbbell bench and incline hammer strength. That's developed my chest way more than flat bench.
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You really mean this ?
absolutely. I've never seen it happening and i've trained in many many gym has never happened.
Hell is even hard to see lean juiced lifters lifting that much.
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You live in a shit hole town with purely 9-5ers who go to the gym (planet fitness) to read their kindle.
So naturally, no one there will be benching 135, let alone 315.
In the real world however, most of us have seen a good few people benching 3 plates.
so Westside Barbell is a shithole club :D :D :D
here's JM Blakely BTW
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Haha, so true. If everyone online told their real stats I'd be far less inclined to work my ass off in the gym. But when I keep reading that everyone is repping 300+ it makes me feel weak so I work harder.
On a side note, it took me over four months of solid trenbolone usage to get a 300+ lb bench. I flat bench maybe once a month, I only do incline smith bench, incline dumbbell bench and incline hammer strength. That's developed my chest way more than flat bench.
Yeah, that's the only thing I'm grateful for. I was honestly scared at how weak I was and did everything in my power to lift like a "regular fella", but then I realized no one else was lifting nearly as heavy save for a few hardcores! I like smith machine inclines, the chest press machine at my gym, dumbbell inclines, cable flies and weighted dips. My gym doesn't have much for chest but these are doing the trick for me.
I don't bench heavy because I got a small pec tear and have no idea when or what it came from. Thankfully there's nothing cosmetic about it other than a lot of weakness in that pec and a slight recession from the middle part of my chest. I have to really twist around in a weird way to see it but I've felt it for the past year or so. No idea where it came from but it's enough for me to eliminate flat bench except for doing burn out sets or pump sets, whatever you wanna call that shit. I love doing those at the end of a chest session. Nothing humbles you more than getting your ass whooped by tiny ass weights at the end of a good workout. ;D
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Haha, so true. If everyone online told their real stats I'd be far less inclined to work my ass off in the gym. But when I keep reading that everyone is repping 300+ it makes me feel weak so I work harder.
On a side note, it took me over four months of solid trenbolone usage to get a 300+ lb bench. I flat bench maybe once a month, I only do incline smith bench, incline dumbbell bench and incline hammer strength. That's developed my chest way more than flat bench.
How much base did you have? It took me around 5 years training naturally to be able to get #315 for 1 or 2.
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Haha, so true. If everyone online told their real stats I'd be far less inclined to work my ass off in the gym. But when I keep reading that everyone is repping 300+ it makes me feel weak so I work harder.
On a side note, it took me over four months of solid trenbolone usage to get a 300+ lb bench. I flat bench maybe once a month, I only do incline smith bench, incline dumbbell bench and incline hammer strength. That's developed my chest way more than flat bench.
Benching is way overrated bro,for some with a natural predisposition to the exercise,it works wonders,for other obsessed with increasing their one rep max,it builds power if worked correctly,for the delusional or uninformed whose goal is to bench 500 pounds,it`s a shoulder destroyer.
Some guys will never be able to bench a ton of weight,others will just do it no problem.
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Benching is way overrated bro,for some with a natural predisposition to the exercise,it works wonders,for other obsessed with increasing their one rep max,it builds power if worked correctly,for the delusional or uninformed whose goal is to bench 500 pounds,it`s a shoulder destroyer.
Some guys will never be able to bench a ton of weight,others will just do it no problem.
Bench doesn't mean shit. You can look like Frank Zane, and never bench in your life.
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Benching is way overrated bro,for some with a natural predisposition to the exercise,it works wonders,for other obsessed with increasing their one rep max,it builds power if worked correctly,for the delusional or uninformed whose goal is to bench 500 pounds,it`s a shoulder destroyer.
Some guys will never be able to bench a ton of weight,others will just do it no problem.
i inclined shy on 100kg for 14,12,9 reps on sunday, My chest and tris are still pumped and sore.
I hope those bench grupies takes note from me.
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My bench has never been a stronger movement for me.however I have improved it a bit over time.
When I started I I trained at home alone without spotters.I with I had gotten as strong as possible on bench before I used hormones.
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Bench doesn't mean shit. You can look like Frank Zane, and never bench in your life.
Exactly.
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Bench doesn't mean shit. You can look like Frank Zane, and never bench in your life.
of course you can, Twink Zane looked like an anorexic.
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can an average nobody that is not fat achieve a 315 legit bench without roids? i wonder
God, I'd hope so.
315 should be VERY achievable in your lifetime without steroids.
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Benching is way overrated bro,for some with a natural predisposition to the exercise,it works wonders,for other obsessed with increasing their one rep max,it builds power if worked correctly,for the delusional or uninformed whose goal is to bench 500 pounds,it`s a shoulder destroyer.
Some guys will never be able to bench a ton of weight,others will just do it no problem.
Excellent points as well. Some people grab a weight and bang out certain exercises flawlessly. It has to do with how their body's thrown together and their mind muscle connection.
Flat bench for whatever reason just appears to be a douchebag magnet. New douches always flock to he bench, old douches flock to the bench, no idea why though. I always hated flat benching and only did it because the clowns online unfortunately convinced me that it was important.
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How much can ya` bench ?
I hate that question as well as how big is your arm, and how long will it take to look like you,and I don`t wanna` get too big,just toned!! LOL ;D
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of course you can, Twink Zane looked like an anorexic.
Looks 1000X better then you!
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How much can ya` bench ?
I hate that question as well as how big is your arm, and how long will it take to look like you,and I don`t wanna` get too big,just toned!! LOL ;D
you hate that because you have 14" guns.
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Looks 1000X better then you!
thats not a big merit.
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Excellent points as well. Some people grab a weight and bang out certain exercises flawlessly. It has to do with how their body's thrown together and their mind muscle connection.
Flat bench for whatever reason just appears to be a douchebag magnet. New douches always flock to he bench, old douches flock to the bench, no idea why though. I always hated flat benching and only did it because the clowns online unfortunately convinced me that it was important.
Yeah that's all great, but how much do you bench bro?
;D
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thats not a big merit.
Good enough to win Mr. O
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you hate that because you have 14" guns.
Calm down Francis!
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Good enough to win Mr. O
like winning mens anything...branch just won 2 AC. Look big and shitty.
Zane won olympia, looking small and stringy win 12inch arms and 13 inch legs.
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How much base did you have? It took me around 5 years training naturally to be able to get #315 for 1 or 2.
I've been lifting for close to two years now, in 5 days I will have been on trenbolone for five months straight.
Benching is way overrated bro,for some with a natural predisposition to the exercise,it works wonders,for other obsessed with increasing their one rep max,it builds power if worked correctly,for the delusional or uninformed whose goal is to bench 500 pounds,it`s a shoulder destroyer.
Some guys will never be able to bench a ton of weight,others will just do it no problem.
So so so true. I've pretty much accepted I will never be a 500-lb bencher, for example. Maybe 405 if I don't get injured and I'm on a bunch of TNE, halo, tren and anadrol. I don't mind, though, my chest is one of my best bodyparts!
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like winning mens anything...branch just won 2 AC. Look big and shitty.
Zane won olympia, looking small and stringy win 12inch arms and 13 inch legs.
Zane Beats Branch anyday. Ray Charles can see that.
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The chest exercise that i feel the most is weighted dips.
I'm a strong bencher but i don't get the same feel out of it.
Rigidly sticking to certain exercises is old school bro science at it's best.
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The chest exercise that i feel the most is weighted dips.
I'm a strong bencher but i don't get the same feel out of it.
Rigidly sticking to certain exercises is old school bro science at it's best.
Cable flys, or flat dumbell flys are the best. Unless you are on steroids, then changing your remote involves pecs as well.
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Zane Beats Branch anyday. Ray Charles can see that.
my mom can beat branch any day.
The point was that Zane had a hype physique.
Yes he was symmetrical and proportioned but bodybuiling is about size, and muscles and density. Not being a twink.
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I've been lifting for close to two years now, in 5 days I will have been on trenbolone for five months straight.
So so so true. I've pretty much accepted I will never be a 500-lb bencher, for example. Maybe 405 if I don't get injured and I'm on a bunch of TNE, halo, tren and anadrol. I don't mind, though, my chest is one of my best bodyparts!
Even if you never get over 315,you can still build a helluva` chest......I know you know that,just sayin`. ;)
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my mom can beat branch any day.
The point was that Zane had a hype physique.
Yes he was symmetrical and proportioned but bodybuiling is about size, and muscles and density. Not being a twink.
Size is overrated unless you are Coleman or Yates, Everyone else looks like shit.
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my mom can beat branch any day.
The point was that Zane had a hype physique.
Yes he was symmetrical and proportioned but bodybuiling is about size, and muscles and density. Not being a twink.
Why is it about those things? It should be about creating a beautiful physique.
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The chest exercise that i feel the most is weighted dips.
I'm a strong bencher but i don't get the same feel out of it.
Rigidly sticking to certain exercises is old school bro science at it's best.
what's your PR on weighted dips?
mine was bodyweight plus 100 pounds added for 6 good reps
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I'm not going to sift through this, but yes. I did it.
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what's your PR on weighted dips?
mine was bodyweight plus 100 pounds added for 6 good reps
I Just added them in a couple of months ago, I'm doing two 45's for 15. Not sure low reps because i have been working out at home lately.
I do that for about 3 sets diminishing then take a plate out then 7 sets just going to failure.
Then 5 more sets no resistance to failure.
Before i did weighted i just did bodyweight real high volume, really leaning forward, stretch at the bottom.
It hits my chest really well.
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Depending on natural bw and proportions, a 6'5 natural with good genetics in arms at 200 or so that has trained for years should be able to bench 315 without much trouble
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love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.
golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there
my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.
315 natural is super-respectable.
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love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.
golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there
my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.
315 natural is super-respectable.
EX-FUCKING-ACTLY
maybe these 315 benchers are using the old bridge and bounce technique :D :D :D
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Quite ironic how everyone thinks so and so who does XXX amount of weight is "in fact" a natural. ::)
So was Pat Banana Republic. In his circles, he's "in fact" a saint. ;D
"In fact", some are so sure, they are willing to provide the random tests they put their best friends through. ;)
Most can respect the #'s whether on/off the sauce, surely not the lies. Strength isn't everyone's cup of tea.
However, do realize that human nature is predicated on lies. Everyone lies. Your parents, your children, your girlfriend, and YOUR BEST FRIEND(S).
"In fact", your girlfriend is a whore.
"In fact", most of these delusional prophets don't know that their wife is fucking the neighbors pool boy, till the day the divorce lawyer calls them and lets them know divorce number 5 is on the way.
"In fact", your president lies to you (i.e. Bush).
Yet, you think your best friend is the paragon of truth. :o
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love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.
golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there
my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.
315 natural is super-respectable.
Well not to be too argumentative, but if someone's a tiny tit like me it's a lot more plausible that they'll be dipping and doing pull ups with multiple 45lb plates. There are lots of kids on youtube.com with videos of it too, so it's not far fetched. They definitely don't look juiced up either.
Strength isn't very hard to build and anyone can do it too. It's not exclusive like building muscle and creating an impressive physique. There are little girl Chinese olympic lifters throwing up weights that you wouldn't believe until you saw it. For someone to be huge and ripped you need drugs, but for building strength you can look shitty as hell and still be strong as an ox. And drug free too.
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Well not to be too argumentative, but if someone's a tiny tit like me it's a lot more plausible that they'll be dipping and doing pull ups with multiple 45lb plates. There are lots of kids on youtube.com with videos of it too, so it's not far fetched. They definitely don't look juiced up either.
Strength isn't very hard to build and anyone can do it too. It's not exclusive like building muscle and creating an impressive physique. There are little girl Chinese olympic lifters throwing up weights that you wouldn't believe until you saw it. For someone to be huge and ripped you need drugs, but for building strength you can look shitty as hell and still be strong as an ox. And drug free too.
"They definitely don't look juiced up either."
You don't have to look juiced up to be juiced.
Categorically lighter competing lifters - don't have much room to play around with their weight. So they play around with orals, that don't allow much room for mistakes i.e. halos, var, winny etc. Most of the time these types of users are hard to discern from the naturals. The fat pigs - in the heavier classes can get away with anything and everything.
Most of those average gym rats (non competing) who want to claim natural (yet impress with strength) use the right drugs without the juiced up look. NOBODY KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE NATURALS. And no one would know the difference until they piled on 4 plates on the bench.
Bodybuilders such as Pat Banana Republic come in many different shapes, sizes, and colors. These include strength athletes also, who have the same conundrum of having done it naturally, or doing it naturally.
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I am amazed that, first, many failed to take in account body proportions and size of the hypothetical lifter and second, that soome people might find 315 @200 LOLROIDS. Its a 1.5 bench aprox and some people, specially fat-er lifters are easily 200 lbs, granted, youd have to be a naturally tall guy and not lean with some years of training on.
Luckily no once cares fo my posts and noticed my math mistake ;D
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OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!
I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.
The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.
;D
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i wonder
in high school
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These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.
;D
:)
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LOL, Zane (5'9", 190lb@4%bf) was a twink and the average skinny-fat dude can bench 315 with a few years natural training? Some of you people are mentally ill.
Useless exercise anyway.
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LOL, Zane (5'9", 190lb@4%bf) was a twink and the average skinny-fat dude can bench 315 with a few years natural training? Some of you people are mentally ill.
Useless exercise anyway.
if your not short and know how to train for strength 315 is very reachable natural case closed. You will play hell getting to it natural with bodybuilding training though. Most people even a lot of people that have tried to bench a lot for 5-10 years simply don't know how to position themselves correctly how to use hip drive and many other tricks to milk the most lbs out of it. I have seen guys that are prolly stronger then me that cant bench 300-315 at the gym year after year trying to get to 300 lol simply because there technique for benching a lot sux big time. Speed is important also you have to be able to explode into the bar if you wan't to generate maximum force. That requires your legs to be engaged and whole body tight.
close grip benching and speed presses will prolly do more for benching strength then any other movements
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the way i look at chest day is if fail to get what im wanting with 315 or 365 i just go with it and get good set another exercise.overload and stimulate.
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love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.
golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there
my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.
315 natural is super-respectable.
Based on what?
What are their bodyweights and heights? I couldn't hit 315 on the bench, until I got over 200 lbs at 5'9". That was back in 1996.
Now, I incline with 315, usually for 6 to 10 reps. Current bodyweight (as of last Monday), 241.
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Based on what?
What are their bodyweights and heights? I couldn't hit 315 on the bench, until I got over 200 lbs at 5'9". That was back in 1996.
Now, I incline with 315, usually for 6 to 10 reps. Current bodyweight (as of last Monday), 241.
humor me because I might have misunderstood you... you're not claiming to be natural and doing 315 on the incline for 10 reps are you? If so, are you Mike O'Hearn?
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You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee. A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range. That is about the max you will ever see. Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.
the argument can be made... 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.
hope this helps
Jakesonyou
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You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee. A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range. That is about the max you will ever see. Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.
the argument can be made... 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.
hope this helps
Jakesonyou
I have seen naturals near 8% get 400 not bodybuilders but it is theroticaly possible not with average genetics though thats for sure. Any prison in usa has prolly 5-15 of them
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what's your PR on weighted dips?
mine was bodyweight plus 100 pounds added for 6 good reps
i did 55kilogram for 6 reps (full range with shoulders underneath elbows)
i quit doing it since it didnt help pressing power apparently
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We had another guy who powerlifted........weigh ed 198..........370 bench in a contest with a pause.
Some guys are just cockstrong and built for power......thick bones and built like tanks.
Problem on boards these days Wes, is that most people forget that we were not all born with the same bones/joints/ligaments as eachother. Thats why a % of BB is an illusion, you look stronger because of size etc.
I have a pal in Aus 'Mark Woods' used to BB but stopped before trying for pro and started his own very successful strongman show. This guy 'looks' like he could only lift (insert weight here lol) but he rolls up half inch thick frying pans, benches crazy, does all sorts of stupid stuff with big axes weighted with dumbells etc - mad strength on this guy. He tells me that even before he started BB he knew he was strong, and only got into the strongman stuff after he ripped up a yellow pages book (legit rip/not youtube kids way with air pockets etc) and his son was like WTF dad you should do a show lol
I agree with Jamie/Dustin, the only time I bench over 225 is for ego and if i'm doing 1RM with the power guys once a fortnight at my gym. Anything over that, and I can feel my shoulder joints clicking/back starts to lift off bench etc
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Late to the game on this thread.
I've done it twice, both using the program that is linked below. I did it at a body weight of about 182. I'm have small joints, and shitty, short muscle bellies.
It's really all about the individual, in terms of relative easy/difficulty - there's too many varying factors. But, I think it's safe to say that it's not easily obtainable overall, since you see so many who don't rep out with 215, let alone 315.
http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/MM2KBenchProgram.htm
This program lays it all out for you - you figure out your 1RM, and follow the excel progression tables that tell you what weight to use. It takes about 50 days to add about 40-50lbs to your max. Not a bodybuilding program.
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You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee. A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range. That is about the max you will ever see. Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.
the argument can be made... 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.
hope this helps
Jakesonyou
From my years in the gym, I would roughly agree with those numbers mate. Obviously you have to throw in the mix crazy gym rats who live for their numbers (who will be pressing 5-10% more than most lifters), and freaks that are just stronger than the normal population.
I remember one time training with a mate from Ghana, while we were in Prague on holiday (don't go to czech rep. if you are black - eventually you will get pissed off with everyone haha anyway) so he doesn't train at all, but is a thick guy naturally - so we train bench and I do my 2nd set with 225 (it took me a couple years of training to first get that lol) and I rack the weight and start taking the plates off for his set. He looks at me funny and goes "Nah man, put another of the 10s each side I reckon I could do more than that" So I laugh and go what the hell and put it up to 270.
No joke (he does not train) he gets underneath the f'kn bar and lifts it for a good 4 reps before I even have to touch the bar. Safely to say I was pissed off hahahahahahahaha
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These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.
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love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.
golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there
my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.
315 natural is super-respectable.
Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
have never been strong it's hard to believe
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Bench press 315 pounds? Never. Impossible. Negative. Can't be done. No.
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Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
have never been strong it's hard to believe
Stats for the 365?
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humor me because I might have misunderstood you... you're not claiming to be natural and doing 315 on the incline for 10 reps are you? If so, are you Mike O'Hearn?
The most I've done with 315 is 9. The most weight and reps I've done on inclines period is 325 for 8.
No, I am not Mike O'Hearn. I'm nowhere near his size.
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You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee. A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range. That is about the max you will ever see. Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.
the argument can be made... 3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.
hope this helps
Jakesonyou
As Lee Haney used to say, "Fat don't flex" and it doesn't lift poundages either.
It isn't the high bodyfat that allows people to lift. It the MUSCLE that allows them to move that weight.
Folks that don't obsess with being ripped year round can bulk up and put on the raw size (muscle and fat) needed to move the big plates. Why do you think guys like Ronnie were WAY OVER 300 POUNDS in the off-season?
If someone bulks up to 250 at 20% bodyfat and cuts down to about 205 or 210 at 8% bodyfat, you really think he won't be able to push over 300 (for reps) on his bench?
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Stats for the 365?
23, 5'9 190, 10% bodyfat , maybe less, on gear got to about 245, 515 on bench, always the strongest bencher
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Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
have never been strong it's hard to believe
yeah, that has to be it.
I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.
The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.
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yeah, that has to be it.
I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.
The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.
Even on flat, for good clean reps naturally is damn near impossible. Unless you are predisposed to being a big fucker anyways. Meso, fat boy corn fed homo.
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I benched 315 the first time I attempted it. Not sure what my max would be now. But I also curled a 75 pound dumbbell for a 1 rep max so I'm naturally very strong.
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Even on flat, for good clean reps naturally is damn near impossible. Unless you are predisposed to being a big fucker anyways. Meso, fat boy corn fed homo.
Not really!! I'm more of an ectomorph. But, I still have to bulk up past 200 lbs to move 315 ONCE. It took about two or three years, before I starting doing that much for reps on the flat bench. And, back in the day, I could barely afford weight gainer, much less anabolics.
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yeah, that has to be it.
I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.
The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.
Bro no offence but you claim 700 and you are calling out on the BS, not starting with you, but I hope you are prepared to back up your claims here on getbig, video or something,..... 315 is peanuts, lots of naturals can do this, 315 on incline for ten, now thats a different ballpark, not impossible but more then likely the one who claims it is probably lying, not sure who you are referring too, have to go back and check, if it' Mcway you are referring to he has been here along time n has never been known as a liar
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Why do you think guys like Ronnie were WAY OVER 300 POUNDS in the off-season?
massive water retention from different types of drugs and not so much at all an increase in bodyfat?
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Late to the game on this thread.
I've done it twice, both using the program that is linked below. I did it at a body weight of about 182. I'm have small joints, and shitty, short muscle bellies.
It's really all about the individual, in terms of relative easy/difficulty - there's too many varying factors. But, I think it's safe to say that it's not easily obtainable overall, since you see so many who don't rep out with 215, let alone 315.
http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/MM2KBenchProgram.htm
This program lays it all out for you - you figure out your 1RM, and follow the excel progression tables that tell you what weight to use. It takes about 50 days to add about 40-50lbs to your max. Not a bodybuilding program.
thanks for this program, i'm studying it right now
gotta get that 315lbs gotta get it goddamnit
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Yes, absolutely OP.
315 for 5 reps weighing 208 at a natural 10-12% bf was my best. I do have a shorter reach then most though so my range of motion to move that weight is not as long. <--- I don't think this is anything special either, but just pointing out that a 315 natural bench is not uncommon by any means (not being fat btw).
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Yes, absolutely OP.
315 for 5 reps weighing 208 at a natural 10-12% bf was my best. I do have a shorter reach then most though so my range of motion to move that weight is not as long. <--- I don't think this is anything special either, but just pointing out that a 315 natural bench is not uncommon by any means (not being fat btw).
what programs did you use or did you "just lift"
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i put up 365 natty 8) 8) 8)
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i think i must have long arms because my bench is horrid compared to my deadlift
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Bro no offence but you claim 700 and you are calling out on the BS, not starting with you, but I hope you are prepared to back up your claims here on getbig, video or something,..... 315 is peanuts, lots of naturals can do this, 315 on incline for ten, now thats a different ballpark, not impossible but more then likely the one who claims it is probably lying, not sure who you are referring too, have to go back and check, if it' Mcway you are referring to he has been here along time n has never been known as a liar
He may be referring to me. But, as I said, the most I've done with 315 on the incline was 9 (which I just did earlier today).
I do not and have not taken steroids, HGH, insulin, clenbuterol, etc. Let's put it this say: Anything I ingest, other than regular food, can be purchased at your average card-carrying sports nutrition store (i.e. GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World).
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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365? ::) ::)
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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365? ::) ::)
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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365? ::) ::)
yes, they are full of shit
a 315 bench by a lifetime natty is very, very rare
we're talking a legit bench here with no bridge or bounce and a slight pause at the chest
315 lifetime natty BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
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yes, they are full of shit
a 315 bench by a lifetime natty is very, very rare
we're talking a legit bench here with no bridge or bounce and a slight pause at the chest
315 lifetime natty BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
PLEASE!!!
I could bench 315 over 15 years ago, back in college. All I could afford was weight gainer and that cheap GNC Challenge Milk and Egg protein powder.
Nobody made the claim of being under 10% bodyfat. That falls on people like you and Goomba, who are more worried about your abs than your poundages.
If you want size and strength, train for that first and foremost and worry about getting ripped later. Dollars to donuts, when you can hit 315 for reps and you later diet down to 10% bodyfat or less, there will actually be some muscle there beside abdominals.
But the presence or absence of bodyfat has ZILCH to do with how much you can bench.
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massive water retention from different types of drugs and not so much at all an increase in bodyfat?
There ain't that much water in the world. Bodybuilders have offseason for a reason. Guys who tend to be ripped year-round tend to be smaller, year-round.
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Where the hell are you clowns lifting to barely see somebody ever hit 315 w/o being on gear?
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i think i must have long arms because my bench is horrid compared to my deadlift
same here
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I hate to be one of those old guys that talk about "base", but out of curiosity, what is the is the training age of the guys here saying that #315 is a giant weight? How much of that was actually hard, structured training? And how much of that was natural?
If you've only been training 2-3 years, you can't say this isn't possible or that isn't possible because you just don't have enough time actually lifting to understand it. Also if you jumped on the needle early, your vision will be cloudy, because you haven't seen what could be done naturally strength wise.
Go to a legitimate powerlifting board like outlawpowerlifting, etc.... and ask some of the older guys that lifted both naturally and enhanced whether #315 is that big of a number, it is, but it isn't. You'll see that it just takes a decent number of years of low rep training, etc..... for a guy in the #181-220 range. Now, I won't lie and say that you can get to #405 without really packing on the pounds, but low to mid three's is totally possible, especially for a 200lb + man, whose been training multiple years in the low rep brackets.
Now it's hard to show proof of being drug free because the birth of the bench press and powerlifting coincides pretty close to the age of steroids, but you can look up the olympic press results for the non-steroid years, and you'll see that there were a decent amount of guys from the light heavy weights up that were pressing in the #200-275 range during those years. Generally, if a man can stand and press over #200 with no leg drive, he'll be close to, or over #300 on the flat bench, in some cases much more.
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Where the hell are you clowns lifting to barely see somebody ever hit 315 w/o being on gear?
Planet Fitness?
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What world of weakness do some of you live in? ??? I am a skinny woman boned twink. But when I was 16yrs old and 155lbs 5'9" I benched 300#. I eventually tore my pec twice one being minor the other after I got on roids and attempting a 460+ bench which required surgury.
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OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!
I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.
No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.
He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.
Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.
Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.
Trained by himself on base in a power rack.
The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.
He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.
I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.
I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.
great memory wes,.. you still remember things that happened 70 years ago :-X
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yes, they are full of shit
a 315 bench by a lifetime natty is very, very rare
we're talking a legit bench here with no bridge or bounce and a slight pause at the chest
315 lifetime natty BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365? ::) ::)
You mean you guys train at curves ;D
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great memory wes,.. you still remember things that happened 70 years ago :-X
Of course I remember it,it was a very good part of my life, and far from 70 years ago. ::)
This kid would train anybody I`ve ever seen right into the ground.
If he had never stopped training,I bet he could/would be a household name,that`s how good he was.
No reason to lie about it.
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I got the 315 bench after following the program I got in the mail from the mm2k mag way back in the day, "how to increase your bench by 50lbs" Think I was 20 or so, natural, weighed about 200 lbs, was not a fat sack of shit either.
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I got the 315 bench after following the program I got in the mail from the mm2k mag way back in the day, "how to increase your bench by 50lbs" Think I was 20 or so, natural, weighed about 200 lbs, was not a fat sack of shit either.
so it actually works?
another poster in this topic posted it
my workout partner doesn't really want to try it since training 4 times a week is not going to be possible. he can only do monday wednesday friday routines :-\
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so it actually works?
another poster in this topic posted it
my workout partner doesn't really want to try it since training 4 times a week is not going to be possible. he can only do monday wednesday friday routines :-\
Worked for me! I followed it to a "T". I usually try to put my own spin on things, but made an exception on this time as I know by body very well for hypertrophy but strength training is not my expertise. S I think the 5x5 program is a 3 day program, known to increase your strength.
But I found the one I did was more friendly to keeping your bodybuilder look and that to me is worth the extra day in the gym. 3 day programs just involve too many groups in one day, just don't do well on them...
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I've seen many guys over the course of my 20 years working out that have been able to not only bench 315 lbs while naturally, but even manage to get 8-10 reps with that weight.
That weight is not all that difficult to move. If you train for it and progressively increase your weight on the bench via small increments, it is very possible.
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This....315 is no big deal, I know plenty of guys that can put up 315
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Worked for me! I followed it to a "T". I usually try to put my own spin on things, but made an exception on this time as I know by body very well for hypertrophy but strength training is not my expertise. S I think the 5x5 program is a 3 day program, known to increase your strength.
But I found the one I did was more friendly to keeping your bodybuilder look and that to me is worth the extra day in the gym. 3 day programs just involve too many groups in one day, just don't do well on them...
yeah i've been doing these 3 day programs 5x5
not bad but i seem to have plateaud on pressing movements
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so it actually works?
another poster in this topic posted it
my workout partner doesn't really want to try it since training 4 times a week is not going to be possible. he can only do monday wednesday friday routines :-\
I posted a link to it two pages ago that was ignored. Yes, it works.
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yeah i've been doing these 3 day programs 5x5
not bad but i seem to have plateaud on pressing movements
Do you happen to bench bb style, elbows out?
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Do you happen to bench bb style, elbows out?
i bench to the nipple line or slightly below the nipple line with the elbows under the wrist
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I posted a link to it two pages ago that was ignored. Yes, it works.
Thats awesome man. I remember writing Shawn Phillips when I was a teenager and he wrote me back when he sent me back that bench program. I got it out of the old MM2K as well. Dude was really cool and told me what to eat and gave words of encouragement. I was 15 or 16 at the time and me and my buddies all used that program. We all got a lot stronger as well. Really cool!!
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Lot of pussies in this thread...if you were talking 405 I could understand the skepticism.. but 315? How weak are you fucking people.
And Dj181.....shut the fuck up and go take some oxys so you aren't scared to talk to girls....leave the weightlifting talk to real men
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Lot of pussies in this thread...if you were talking 405 I could understand the skepticism.. but 315? How weak are you fucking people.
And Dj181.....shut the fuck up and go take some oxys so you aren't scared to talk to girls....leave the weightlifting talk to real men
Speaking of pussies, i'd bet you couldn't squat 405 for one, clean rep with those toothpick legs of yours. :D
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Thats awesome man. I remember writing Shawn Phillips when I was a teenager and he wrote me back when he sent me back that bench program. I got it out of the old MM2K as well. Dude was really cool and told me what to eat and gave words of encouragement. I was 15 or 16 at the time and me and my buddies all used that program. We all got a lot stronger as well. Really cool!!
Thanks. I am classic ecto with short, shitty muscle bellies. Did that program and got 315. Next time 325 and 225 x 18. Nothing world beating, I know, but it was good for me.
It also worked when I didn't know the correct way to bench, I didn't do the big arch, feet under bench, squeeze the bar tight, "break" the bar on the descent, etc....I think might have been able to do more if I knew that stuff.
Also, if anyone tries it, it's not a BB routine. It's a routine to get your bench up. I wouldn't tweak it.
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I posted a link to it two pages ago that was ignored. Yes, it works.
hey friend
i am reading this program
it doesn't recommend shortening rom by arching back excessively since any gain will be artificial, not from actual strength increase
however
is it foolish to bench with the feet on the bench while on this program?
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Of course I remember it,it was a very good part of my life, and far from 70 years ago. ::)
This kid would train anybody I`ve ever seen right into the ground.
If he had never stopped training,I bet he could/would be a household name,that`s how good he was.
No reason to lie about it.
i believe you.. it was just a joke as if you were very old :P
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Speaking of pussies, i'd bet you couldn't squat 405 for one, clean rep with those toothpick legs of yours. :D
sounds like someone is still struggling with 225, let alone 3 plates ;)
Epic gook genetics, you are fucked
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sounds like someone is still struggling with 225, let alone 3 plates ;)
are you talking about your self while squating, mr lollipop legs ;D
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are you talking about your self while squating, mr lollipop legs ;D
Lets see yours ;)
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Lets see yours ;)
there about as skinny as yours , i suffer from squatrackphobia too ;D
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i believe you.. it was just a joke as if you were very old :P
Gee thanks!! ;D
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sounds like someone is still struggling with 225, let alone 3 plates ;)
Epic gook genetics, you are fucked
1. Im not jeajonna
2. I can bench 315
3. Your legs look like they haven't seen a barbell in 20 years, so i suggest you drop the tough guy act, "big guy". ;)
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there about as skinny as yours , i suffer from squatrackphobia too ;D
Prove it ;) show me how "skinny" mine are :)
And i don't squat anymore, but when I did i could knock out clean reps with 405
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1. Im not jeajonna
2. I can bench 315
3. Your legs look like they haven't seen a barbell in 20 years, so i suggest you drop the tough guy act, "big guy". ;)
groink prefers the adductor machine
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1. Im not jeajonna
2. I can bench 315
3. Your legs look like they haven't seen a barbell in 20 years, so i suggest you drop the tough guy act, "big guy". ;)
lets see yours too...oh that's right...we already have....LOLOLOLOLOLOL :D
still "spilling over" ;)
never compare yourself to me
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sooo i'm looking at this workout chart from the highly acclaimed bench press program...
http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/tab1.pdf
you basically go to your 1 rep max and it gives you your workout progressions
but since i use the metric system this is all fucked up
i mean i guess i can use micro plates but this is just getting silly when converted to kilos
sucks
i wonder if these charts exist in kilos
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groink prefers the adductor machine
So that's a "no" on backing up your big mouth then ?
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Prove it ;) show me how "skinny" mine are :)
And i don't squat anymore, but when I did i could knock out clean reps with 405
hahaha if you put 405 on your back with those stilts you would end up a crumpled mess ala jeane peirre fux
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hahaha if you put 405 on your back with those stilts you would end up a crumpled mess ala jeane peirre fux
I've squatted 495 for a triple.
and until you shut the fuck up and post a picture of your legs being better, mine own yours ;)
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I've squatted 495 for a triple.
i very much doubt that
respectfully pns
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i very much doubt that
respectfully pns
I was 265 pounds when i did it..in these pics i'm 225-230
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I was 265 pounds when i did it..in these pics i'm 225-230
ok that changes the story
were you megadosing or pretty fat?
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first it was 405 , now its 495 ::) oh brother
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ok that changes the story
were you megadosing or pretty fat?
Bulked to the max, kinda fat Sharief has the pic...i don't anymore
heaviest I have ever been
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495 for a triple, damn
another prime example that strength doesn't equal hypertrophy :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=420034.0;attach=463047;image)
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first it was 405 , now its 495 ::) oh brother
Oh brother...a gimmick with a smartass mouth that doesn't believe me, and won't post a pic...what will i do now :'(
::) ::)
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495 for a triple, damn
another prime example that strength doesn't equal hypertrophy :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=420034.0;attach=463047;image)
he said he was bulked up to super fat and squating now he is lean down and not squating anymore he only works calves he said i believe
he seems to have a big ego and a propensity for personal attacks but i dont see how a 265 juiced up fatass couldn't squat 495 for a couple
i can believe it
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Oh brother...a gimmick with a smartass mouth that doesn't believe me, and won't post a pic...what will i do now :'(
::) ::)
lol groink begging for pics of my cock
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lol next groink will be begging for pics of my cock
Ahhh .....the old "you're gay asking for my pic" routine...could you be any more by the numbers ::)
what's next......"i only lift for myself and i don't care what people think, I feel no need to post a pic" ::)
OR
"I can't post a pic for security/personal/employment reasons" ::) ::)
point is...shithead. if you are gonna crack on people, you will be called out yourself,and every time you make an excuse,or deflect the question.... and don't fess up......you become more and more of a meaningless dickhead gimmick who is all talk
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can anybody tell me how i can apply this routine to metric system or should i just divide everything by 2.2 and work with odd numbers and micro plates?
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Ahhh .....the old "you're gay asking for my pic" routine...could you be any more by the numbers ::)
what's next......"i only lift for myself and i don't care what people think, I feel no need to post a pic" ::)
OR
"I can't post a pic for security/personal/employment reasons" ::) ::)
point is...shithead. if you are gonna crack on people, you will be called out yourself,and every time you make an excuse,or deflect the question.... and don't fess up......you become more and more of a meaningless dickhead gimmick who is all talk
over analyzing meltdown
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can anybody tell me how i can apply this routine to metric system or should i just divide everything by 2.2 and work with odd numbers and micro plates?
Divide by 2.2 and use micro plates, or round it close enough and forget the micros if they're hard to find at your gym.
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over analyzing meltdown
Oooh..."meltdown"
what's next.."it's not that serious" ::) ::)
I've acknowledged your meager existence long enough. I am superior...deal with it you microscopic cumstain.
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sooo i'm looking at this workout chart from the highly acclaimed bench press program...
http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/tab1.pdf
you basically go to your 1 rep max and it gives you your workout progressions
but since i use the metric system this is all fucked up
i mean i guess i can use micro plates but this is just getting silly when converted to kilos
sucks
i wonder if these charts exist in kilos
I don't know if the link is there, but if you put the chart in Excel, it can be easily converted.
Also, arch is achieved naturally by tucking the feet under the bench. The goal here is strength, and that position puts you at an advantage. Bench drives from the legs.
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I don't know if the link is there, but if you put the chart in Excel, it can be easily converted.
Also, arch is achieved naturally by tucking the feet under the bench. The goal here is strength, and that position puts you at an advantage. Bench drives from the legs.
thanks friend, i will have to study how to convert this with excel
but the program text said
my last suggestion regarding technique concerns arching the back-don't do it. True, it will almost always improve your bench-press poundage, but the advantage is entirely artificial. When you arch your back, you reduce the distance between your chest and the bar. Doing it will not accelerate muscle growth or increase strength.
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I don't know if the link is there, but if you put the chart in Excel, it can be easily converted.
Also, arch is achieved naturally by tucking the feet under the bench. The goal here is strength, and that position puts you at an advantage. Bench drives from the legs.
Yep...arch is natural, and doesn't negate the lift one bit. you are supposed to arch when you bench...just not ridiculously
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thanks friend, i will have to study how to convert this with excel
but the program text said
my last suggestion regarding technique concerns arching the back-don't do it. True, it will almost always improve your bench-press poundage, but the advantage is entirely artificial. When you arch your back, you reduce the distance between your chest and the bar. Doing it will not accelerate muscle growth or increase strength.
Not advocating an insane, powerlifting arch like I've seen them do, more what Groink said above.
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Lot of pussies in this thread...if you were talking 405 I could understand the skepticism.. but 315? How weak are you fucking people.
And Dj181.....shut the fuck up and go take some oxys so you aren't scared to talk to girls....leave the weightlifting talk to real men
"Real men"? Ask Groink some NFL/sports related questions and you'll soon learn the meaning of "latent homosexual".;)
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"Real men"? Ask Groink some NFL/sports related questions and you'll soon learn the meaning of "latent homosexual".;)
Oh look.....someone got his feelings hurt. Ahahahaaaaaa!!!
extensive football knowledge= I don't a have a woman and I'm lonely and bitter ;D
Some of us have better things to do than watch ESPN 14 hours a day ;)
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Oh look.....someone got his feelings hurt. Ahahahaaaaaa!!!
extensive football knowledge= I don't a have a woman and I'm lonely and bitter ;D
Some of us have better things to do than watch ESPN 14 hours a day ;)
You never played a sport in your life. That's why you act 14 at 50 years old.
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You never played a sport in your life. That's why you act 14 at 50 years old.
What does playing a sport have to do with anything you moron...you obviously did as well...and look at you...a fat blob who runs gimmicks and talks to himself on the internet
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What does playing a sport have to do with anything you moron...you obviously did as well...and look at you...a fat blob who runs gimmicks and talks to himself on the internet
Playing sports is how us heteros get involved with weights. Guys like yourself who got a late start in life working out generally have other reasons.
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Playing sports is how us heteros get involved with weights. Guys like yourself who got a late start in life working out generally have other reasons.
I've been training since I was 13 years old you moron...try again
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Hahah this thread is insane. 315 is completely, TOTALLY within the realm of reasonable natty benching, provided that you are not like 6% 8% bodyfat or some shit. And if you are, not hitting it for more than 2-3 reps MAXIMUM.
The reps you will get will NOT be convincing, but it can be done naturally.
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I've been training since I was 13 years old you moron...try again
You played with dolls and were an art fag at 13.
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I hit it for two when I was 18 and like 180 lbs. 100% natty as you can tell by my skinny shit body. My form wasn't the greatest ever, and I use to think I was big then haha.
This video has over 1 million views on youtube lmao.. I have no idea how..
I train more like a bodybuilder now instead of some jackass trying to get the weight up. This was 5 years ago.. I learned a lot since then.
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whoa that weight is just free falling on the negative!
impressive that you can get it back up
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whoa that weight is just free falling on the negative!
impressive that you can get it back up
Haha yea.. probably not the safest way. I do the complete opposite now, and focus mainly on the negatives.
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Haha yea.. probably not the safest way. I do the complete opposite now, and focus mainly on the negatives.
Good power.........big props!
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Hahah this thread is insane. 315 is completely, TOTALLY within the realm of reasonable natty benching, provided that you are not like 6% 8% bodyfat or some shit. And if you are, not hitting it for more than 2-3 reps MAXIMUM.
The reps you will get will NOT be convincing, but it can be done naturally.
not even and not even impressive.
I am more impressed by a natural who can bench with good form for a solid 5-7 reps. no playing around on the bench.
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he said he was bulked up to super fat and squating now he is lean down and not squating anymore he only works calves he said i believe
he seems to have a big ego and a propensity for personal attacks but i dont see how a 265 juiced up fatass couldn't squat 495 for a couple
i can believe it
Actually Groink was All Natural when he did those lifts. It was only recently he started doing 50mg of tren a week and even then he didn't notice much difference from being All Natural.
PNS why do you keep asking about these novelty workout routines? If you were meant to bench 315 then you'd be able to do it benching once a week for a couple of sets.
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8)This guy said he did it but lied.
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I hit it for two when I was 18 and like 180 lbs. 100% natty as you can tell by my skinny shit body. My form wasn't the greatest ever, and I use to think I was big then haha.
This video has over 1 million views on youtube lmao.. I have no idea how..
I train more like a bodybuilder now instead of some jackass trying to get the weight up. This was 5 years ago.. I learned a lot since then.
1 million, how can this be, I thought self-proclaimed-gh15 video was the record 6000 views, huh ???
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Jesus Christ u fucken pussy!!! Half the guys at my gym put up 315 and I go to a regular 24 Hour Fitness where nobody knows the the fuck dbol is.
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