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AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Associated Press
Obama's 2010 State of the Union Address
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The policy change, described to The Associated Press by two senior administration officials, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It also bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was to announce the new policy Friday, one week before President Barack Obama plans to address the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials' annual conference in Orlando, Fla. Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney is scheduled to speak to the group on Thursday.
Obama planned to discuss the new policy Friday afternoon from the White House Rose Garden.
Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed. The officials who described the plan spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it in advance of the official announcement.
The policy will not lead toward citizenship but will remove the threat of deportation and grant the ability to work legally, leaving eligible immigrants able to remain in the United States for extended periods. It tracks closely to a proposal offered by Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida as an alternative to the DREAM Act.
"Many of these young people have already contributed to our country in significant ways," Napolitano wrote in a memorandum describing the administration's action. "Prosecutorial discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here."
The extraordinary move comes in an election year in which the Hispanic vote could be critical in swing states like Colorado, Nevada and Florida. While Obama enjoys support from a majority of Hispanic voters, Latino enthusiasm for the president has been tempered by the slow economic recovery, his inability to win congressional support for a broad overhaul of immigration laws and by his administration's aggressive deportation policy. Activists opposing his deportation policies last week mounted a hunger strike at an Obama campaign office in Denver, and other protests were planned for this weekend.
The change is likely to cause an outcry from congressional Republicans, who are sure to perceive Obama's actions as an end run around them. Republicans already have complained that previous administration uses of prosecutorial discretion in deportations amount to back-door amnesty. Romney and many Republican lawmakers want tighter border security measures before considering changes in immigration law. Romney opposes offering legal status to illegal immigrants who attend college but has said he would do so for those who serve in the armed forces.
An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found Obama leading Romney among Hispanic voters 61 percent to 27 percent. But his administration's deportation policies have come under fire, and Latino leaders have raised the subject in private meetings with the president. In 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported a record 396,906 people and is expected to deport about 400,000 this year.
A December poll by the Pew Hispanic Center showed that 59 percent of Latinos disapproved of the president's handling of deportations.
The changes come a year after the administration announced plans to focus on deporting serious criminals, immigrants who pose threats to public safety and national security, and serious immigration law violators.
One of the officials said the latest policy change is just another step in the administration's evolving approach to immigration.
Under the plan, immigrants whose deportation cases are pending in immigration court will have to prove their eligibility for a reprieve to ICE, which will begin dealing with such cases in 60 days. Any immigrant who already has a deportation order and those who never have been encountered by immigration authorities will deal with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
The exact details of how the program will work, including how much immigrants will have to pay to apply and what proof they will need, still are being worked out.
In making it harder to deport, the Obama administration is in essence employing the same eligibility requirements spelled out in the proposed DREAM Act.
The administration officials stopped short of calling the change an administrative DREAM Act - the name is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors - but the qualifications meet those laid out in a 2010 version that failed in the Senate after passing in the House. They said the DREAM Act, in some form, and comprehensive overhaul of the immigration system remained an administration priority.
Illegal immigrant children won't be eligible to apply for the deportation waiver until they turn 16, but the officials said younger children won't be deported either.
Last year, Napolitano announced plans to review about 300,000 pending deportation cases and indefinitely suspend those that didn't meet department priorities. So far, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reviewed more than 232,000 cases and decided to stop working on about 20,000. About 4,000 of those 20,000 have opted to keep fighting in court to stay in the United States legally. For the people who opted to close their cases, work permits are not guaranteed.
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HISPANDERING at its worst.
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digusting hispandering = correct.
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digusting hispandering = correct.
Obama should rot in hell.
And for blacks who still support this fool - fuck you too. You stupid fucking idiots signed your own death warrant worshipping this scam artist who now just royally fucked you clowns in the ass far more than you can ever imagine.
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This is despicable. But, it shows just how desperate this goof of a president is.
333386 said it best. I hope Obama get absolutely DESTROYED in November, not just a loss, but a complete Rodney-King-style BEATDOWN.
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This is despicable. But, it shows just how desperate this goof of a president is.
333386 said it best. I hope Obama get absolutely DESTROYED in November, not just a loss, but a complete Rodney-King-style BEATDOWN.
Obama just shoved millions of black teens right off the fucking cliff with this move.
However, morons like Option FAIL, Andre, blackass, Straw, benny refuse to see this.
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this whole immigration thing is a mess. in the end, both parties are just going to open the floodgates. I think just about every candiddate has supported DREAM in some format or level. Rubio is going to be the "it's okay to endorse anchor babies staying" bridge. Watch and see.
A non-issue in 5 years. whoever is president from 2013-2017 will sign amnesty. Doesnt matter the party lol.
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AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Associated Press
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The policy change, described to The Associated Press by two senior administration officials, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It also bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was to announce the new policy Friday, one week before President Barack Obama plans to address the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials' annual conference in Orlando, Fla. Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney is scheduled to speak to the group on Thursday.
Obama planned to discuss the new policy Friday afternoon from the White House Rose Garden.
Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed. The officials who described the plan spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it in advance of the official announcement.
The policy will not lead toward citizenship but will remove the threat of deportation and grant the ability to work legally, leaving eligible immigrants able to remain in the United States for extended periods. It tracks closely to a proposal offered by Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida as an alternative to the DREAM Act.
"Many of these young people have already contributed to our country in significant ways," Napolitano wrote in a memorandum describing the administration's action. "Prosecutorial discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here."
The extraordinary move comes in an election year in which the Hispanic vote could be critical in swing states like Colorado, Nevada and Florida. While Obama enjoys support from a majority of Hispanic voters, Latino enthusiasm for the president has been tempered by the slow economic recovery, his inability to win congressional support for a broad overhaul of immigration laws and by his administration's aggressive deportation policy. Activists opposing his deportation policies last week mounted a hunger strike at an Obama campaign office in Denver, and other protests were planned for this weekend.
The change is likely to cause an outcry from congressional Republicans, who are sure to perceive Obama's actions as an end run around them. Republicans already have complained that previous administration uses of prosecutorial discretion in deportations amount to back-door amnesty. Romney and many Republican lawmakers want tighter border security measures before considering changes in immigration law. Romney opposes offering legal status to illegal immigrants who attend college but has said he would do so for those who serve in the armed forces.
An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found Obama leading Romney among Hispanic voters 61 percent to 27 percent. But his administration's deportation policies have come under fire, and Latino leaders have raised the subject in private meetings with the president. In 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported a record 396,906 people and is expected to deport about 400,000 this year.
A December poll by the Pew Hispanic Center showed that 59 percent of Latinos disapproved of the president's handling of deportations.
The changes come a year after the administration announced plans to focus on deporting serious criminals, immigrants who pose threats to public safety and national security, and serious immigration law violators.
One of the officials said the latest policy change is just another step in the administration's evolving approach to immigration.
Under the plan, immigrants whose deportation cases are pending in immigration court will have to prove their eligibility for a reprieve to ICE, which will begin dealing with such cases in 60 days. Any immigrant who already has a deportation order and those who never have been encountered by immigration authorities will deal with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
The exact details of how the program will work, including how much immigrants will have to pay to apply and what proof they will need, still are being worked out.
In making it harder to deport, the Obama administration is in essence employing the same eligibility requirements spelled out in the proposed DREAM Act.
The administration officials stopped short of calling the change an administrative DREAM Act - the name is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors - but the qualifications meet those laid out in a 2010 version that failed in the Senate after passing in the House. They said the DREAM Act, in some form, and comprehensive overhaul of the immigration system remained an administration priority.
Illegal immigrant children won't be eligible to apply for the deportation waiver until they turn 16, but the officials said younger children won't be deported either.
Last year, Napolitano announced plans to review about 300,000 pending deportation cases and indefinitely suspend those that didn't meet department priorities. So far, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reviewed more than 232,000 cases and decided to stop working on about 20,000. About 4,000 of those 20,000 have opted to keep fighting in court to stay in the United States legally. For the people who opted to close their cases, work permits are not guaranteed.
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OBAMA TO BLACK PEOPLE - D R O P D E A D
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this whole immigration thing is a mess. in the end, both parties are just going to open the floodgates. I think just about every candiddate has supported DREAM in some format or level. Rubio is going to be the "it's okay to endorse anchor babies staying" bridge. Watch and see.
A non-issue in 5 years. whoever is president from 2013-2017 will sign amnesty. Doesnt matter the party lol.
Obama should be impeached and put in jail.
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Obama should be impeached and put in jail.
do you agree or disagree with my statement?
whoever is president from 2013-2017 will sign amnesty. Doesnt matter the party lol.
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do you agree or disagree with my statement?
whoever is president from 2013-2017 will sign amnesty. Doesnt matter the party lol.
See this is why you get attacked. You excuse away total bullshit from obama just because you are convinced at some point in the future someone else will do it to.
Fuck off man.
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I think he'll lose more votes on this than he gains.
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The White House will halt the deportation of as many as 800,000 young illegal immigrants and in some cases give them work permits, in a sweeping new initiative announced by the Department of Homeland Security. The process will begin sometime in the next 60 days
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-white-house-halt-deportation-young-illegal-immigrants-133800284.html
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I have no problem with this as long as it is designed to legalize and retain educated immigrants without criminal records.
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I think he'll lose more votes on this than he gains.
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The White House will halt the deportation of as many as 800,000 young illegal immigrants and in some cases give them work permits, in a sweeping new initiative announced by the Department of Homeland Security. The process will begin sometime in the next 60 days
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-white-house-halt-deportation-young-illegal-immigrants-133800284.html
And, somehow, they'll get the ability to vote for him in November.
Time to ratchet up the voter ID laws.
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I have no problem with this as long as it is designed to legalize and retain educated immigrants without criminal records.
And what about the parents? Are they going home still since they are illegal too?
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I have no problem with this as long as it is designed to legalize and retain educated immigrants without criminal records.
We already have such a program. I have members of my family who migrated here LEGALLY! Why should these folks get a passed, simply because they jumped the fence or burrowed here under a tunnel?
Get in line or GET OUT!!
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And what about the parents? Are they going home still since they are illegal too?
The kids will sponsor them. Most of America's immigration comes from family reunification. If their kids are going to school, staying out of trouble and living productive lives then their families are not a problem.
It's the families whose kids are selling drugs, committing crime, not working, not becoming skilled labor, those families and individuals we need to target.
The fact remains American was NEVER going to be able to deport every single illegal. The cost is astronomical. You talk about big government the amount required on payroll for such an operation is huge, as is the burden on the Court system.
The whole purpose of this legislation is to define who the government needs to target for deportation and use the resources wisely. Not some blanket sweep that won't do anything but cost billions of dollars to execute and in the end not work.
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The kids will sponsor them. Most of America's immigration comes from family reunification. If their kids are going to school, staying out of trouble and living productive lives then their families are not a problem.
It's the families whose kids are selling drugs, committing crime, not working, not becoming skilled labor, those families and individuals we need to target.
The fact remains American was NEVER going to be able to deport every single illegal. The cost is astronomical. You talk about big government the amount required on payroll for such an operation is huge, as is the burden on the Court system.
The whole purpose of this legislation is to define who the government needs to target for deportation and use the resources wisely. Not some blanket sweep that won't do anything but cost billions of dollars to execute and in the end not work.
SO YOU AGREE W THIS ALL BEING DONE BY ONE PERSON?
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Allen West Blasts Obama Overriding Congress on Dream Act as ‘Rule by Edict’
http://www.therightscoop.com/allen-west-blasts-obama-overriding-congress-on-dream-act-as-rule-by-edi ^ | June 15th, 2012 | The Right Scoop
Responding to Obama’s plan to override Congress in order to grant immunity to young illegals, Rep. Allen West says that we are getting away from representative government and are starting to live under a ‘rule by edict’. He adds that this proposal has more to do with political expediency than finding an appropriate solution to our immigration problem:
(Excerpt) Read more at therightscoop.com ...
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Republicans Say Obama's De Facto Amnesty Move Violates Oath of Office
Conservative Nation News ^ | June 15, 2012
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:55:01 PM by Free ThinkerNY
(The Hill) -- Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration’s new leniency for some illegal immigrants as a politically motivated and possibly illegal effort to win over Hispanic voters.
The Republicans contend the new rules — which will prevent deportations for as many as 800,000 illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children — circumvent the law just to buy Obama support from Hispanics ahead of November's elections, in which the Hispanic vote will likely be crucial.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said the change marks "a breach of faith with the American people."
“This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama’s oath to uphold the laws of this land," Smith said in a statement.
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Republicans Say Obama's De Facto Amnesty Move Violates Oath of Office
Conservative Nation News ^ | June 15, 2012
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:55:01 PM by Free ThinkerNY
(The Hill) -- Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration’s new leniency for some illegal immigrants as a politically motivated and possibly illegal effort to win over Hispanic voters.
The Republicans contend the new rules — which will prevent deportations for as many as 800,000 illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children — circumvent the law just to buy Obama support from Hispanics ahead of November's elections, in which the Hispanic vote will likely be crucial.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said the change marks "a breach of faith with the American people."
“This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama’s oath to uphold the laws of this land," Smith said in a statement.
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OUTRAGE: Obama Bypasses Congress; Gives Amnesty, Work Permits to 1 Million Illegal Aliens
Stand With Arizona ^ | 06-15-2012 | John Hill
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:18:19 PM by montag813
by John Hill
Stand With Arizona
He's done it again. After enacting a virtual amnesty-by-decree for 300,000 illegal aliens last August, Obama is once again showing his total contempt for the rule of law by announcing a new amnesty and work permits for up to 1 million illegal aliens - effective immediately.
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano today announced that effective immediately, people who were brought to the United States before the age of 16 and meet certain criteria will be considered for relief from removal from the country or from entering into removal proceedings. Those eligible will receive deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal, and will be eligible to apply for work authorization.
This action represents an administrative end-run around Congress, which twice rejected the ‘DREAM Act’ in 2010.
1 million illegal aliens now have an immediate reprieve from deportation and will not be subject to deportation for at least two years - which the DHS can, unilaterally, extend this reprieve indefinitely using its own authority, not subject to Congressional approval. And we suspect, as with Sen. Dick Durbin's DREAM Act, DHS can also provide unlimited reprieves and overrides for any of these illegal aliens, again on its own sole authority.
And Obama finally produces a jobs program - but for ILLEGAL ALIENS - as a million illegals will be added to a workforce to compete with Americans workers already suffering through a record length of recession unemployment.
We knew this was coming. Illegal alien advocates La Raza, ACLU, MALDEF and others have been urging Obama to sign an executive order for amnesty for weeks now, and press reports hinted that this might occur. But now, with his poll numbers collapsing, and independent voters abandoning him in swing states, Obama is using this virtual amnesty as a blatant attempt to garner more of the "Latino" vote, which itself had been souring on him for 2 years.
We need to see the fine print of this order, but if it is similar to the DREAM Act, we should expect an immediate increase in border crossings and massive new fraud as ineligible illegals and foreign nationals scramble to get in on the amnesty order - just as occured in 1986. That is because - as SWA noted in its objection - the DREAM Act would have permitted ANY illegal alien to apply for the amnesty, even if they were well outside the bounds of its terms, and they would be granted an automatic stay of deportation pending "investigation" - which could be extended indefinitely by the DHS Secretary.
If this order matches those terms of the DREAM Act, then we may well be looking at a MAJOR amnesty of more than 2 million ADDITIONAL illegals, due to document fraud, new border crossings, and fraudulent applications.
Enough is enough. This disgraceful end-run of the rule of law and constitution must NOT stand!
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I have no problem with this as long as it is designed to legalize and retain educated immigrants without criminal records.
Good luck with that.
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I have no problem with this as long as it is designed to legalize and retain educated immigrants without criminal records.
I have every problem with this.
WE HAVE A LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROGRAM we need to use it, not grant amnesty to the children of LEECHES without congressional approval.
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I have every problem with this.
WE HAVE A LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROGRAM we need to use it, not grant amnesty to the children of LEECHES without congressional approval.
And who guesses that their illegal alien parents will now be deported either? Anyone?
FUCK YOU OBAMA AND FUCK YOU EVERY OBAMA VOTER!
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Obama last year admitted that what he did today is ILLEGAL!
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•By: Erisa Nakano
PHOENIX - Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio sat down at ABC15 to talk about the new changes by the Obama administration to stop deporting younger illegal immigrants.
The announcement came in around 6:30 a.m. Friday that some illegal immigrants will be granted work permits if they meet certain requirements.
"I think people from Mexico are now going to feel, 'Hey come on in and we'll get by with it.' But it won't happen in this county. They will still be arrested," Arpaio said.
According to The Associated Press, this change will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation.
"This seems to be politically motivated," Arpaio said. "I would rather see the president let Congress decide what to do on this issue and other illegal immigration problems."
You can watch the interview between ABC15's Connie Colla and Sheriff Arpaio in the attached video.
More information on the illegal immigration announcement can be found on ABC15.com.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/video-sheriff-arpaio-reacts-to-illegal-immigration-change#ixzz1xsvCsdbr
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Obama administration tries to downplay impact, muffle public opposition to amnesty move
12:06 PM 06/15/2012
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Administration officials tried to head off public protest over their June 15 decision to not deport under-30 illegal immigrants by claiming that the de-facto amnesty is not a legal amnesty.
“This is not amnesty — it is an exercise of [prosecutorial] discretion so that these young people are not in the removal system,” said President Barack Obama’s immigration deputy, Janet Napolitano, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
The legal rollback is needed to focus law-enforcement resources on criminals and terrorists, officials claimed.
But Napolitano also undermined the claim by highlighting the policy’s broad and immediate impact.
“Effective immediately, young [foreign] people who were brought to the United States… will no longer be removed from the country,” Napolitano said in the press conference.
The administration’s large-scale amnesty for roughly 800,000 illegals may spur anger among voters already facing high unemployment.
Many polls show Americans want to be generous to immigrants, but fear the impact on jobs and their neighborhoods. Even the so-called “DREAM Act” did not win a clear majority of support from the public, despite much much lobbying by industry and hispanic advocates, and despite favorable media coverage that cast it as a minor measure to help younger productive Hispanics.
The administration’s election-year amnesty move may grow far larger than advertised, because it can be used by foreign children who are now in the country when they reach the age of 15. Younger illegal immigrants “will be able to age into the process,” said an administration official June 15.
It may also be exploited by other immigrants who will use the existing black-market in false documents to fake suitable work histories and ages.
The new policy may also spur additional illegal immigration by people wishing to see their children immigrate into United States’ relatively high-wage economy.
The process puts illegals under age 30 on track to gain legal residency, citizenship and the ability to co-sponsor their older relatives to legally join them in the United States.
New citizens, including older residents, are eligible for the United States’ relatively generous welfare programs, including Medicare and Medicare.
The potential for campaign-trail damage was highlighted by Napolitano’s June 15 press conference.
She portrayed the amnesty as a cost-saving program, not an amnesty or a bid for Hispanic votes in 2012.
“I believe that additional measures are needed to ensure that enforcement resources are not expended on low priority cases,” she said.
But she did not take questions from reporters.
Instead, two administration officials answered questions from selected reporters, including from the Spanish-language TV network, Univision and from The New York Times.
The selected reporters did not offer skeptical questions about the scale and impact of the amnesty. The reporters also did not ask about its impact on American workers, especially low-skill workers whose wages and opportunities have declined for more than a decade amid the inflow of roughly 10 million illegal immigrants.
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Good luck with that.
it's the only reasonable approach to this issue. There is zero chance of deporting the millions of illegals already here.
Refine the focus and move on. Everything else is pure posturing and more money spend on chasing a rabbit hole. This is reminiscent of the "war on drugs" and the billions spent on that farce. A reasonable approach is required. I believe this provides one.
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it's the only reasonable approach to this issue. There is zero chance of deporting the millions of illegals already here.
Refine the focus and move on. Everything else is pure posturing and more money spend on chasing a rabbit hole. This is reminiscent of the "war on drugs" and the billions spent on that farce. A reasonable approach is required. I believe this provides one.
You don't have to deport them. Just make penalties for employing them severe, proof of citizenship for DL, no schooling etc. Then they will leave. Additionally, this "reasoned approach" is garbage and ignorant because if you don't stop the flow, we will just have the same problem again.
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it's the only reasonable approach to this issue. There is zero chance of deporting the millions of illegals already here.
Refine the focus and move on. Everything else is pure posturing and more money spend on chasing a rabbit hole. This is reminiscent of the "war on drugs" and the billions spent on that farce. A reasonable approach is required. I believe this provides one.
Well obama disagreed with you last year and admitted what he did today is illegal. You leftist drones truly beg for communist dictatorship running this nation.
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You don't have to deport them. Just make penalties for employing them severe, proof of citizenship for DL, no schooling etc. Then they will leave. Additionally, this "reasoned approach" is garbage and ignorant because if you don't stop the flow, we will just have the same problem again.
Ozmo - what do you think the odds of Obama deporting the illegal alien parents are now?
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I dont agree with this shit..
Obama just ensured the guy vote for sure..
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You don't have to deport them. Just make penalties for employing them severe, proof of citizenship for DL, no schooling etc. Then they will leave. Additionally, this "reasoned approach" is garbage and ignorant because if you don't stop the flow, we will just have the same problem again.
Not gonna happen. Those companies pay millions to political campaigns to ensure the status quo is kept. Slave labor is alive and well.
No it won't. Immigrants will still come here illegally unless you give them an opportunity to come legally or stay legally. Get an education, contribute to society, stay out of trouble. Those are immigrants America needs and wants. The demographics of this country are shifting towards an aging population. A boom of immigrants who become educated and contribute is just what this economy needs long term.
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At a time when youth unemployment is already a disaster, does this piece of garbage not understand that adding up to a million new people into that equation will only exacerbate the problem and drive down wages even further?
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Not gonna happen. Those companies pay millions to political campaigns to ensure the status quo is kept. Slave labor is alive and well.
No it won't. Immigrants will still come here illegally unless you give them an opportunity to come legally or stay legally. Get an education, contribute to society, stay out of trouble. Those are immigrants America needs and wants. The demographics of this country are shifting towards an aging population. A boom of immigrants who become educated and contribute is just what this economy needs long term.
It needs to happen because the reasoned approach leads to more of the same problem. When the people of the USA (actual citizens) get fed up enough they can cause change in our government. It takes a lot but is can happen. Will it ever happen? I donno, i would hope, but it doesn't look that way.
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Obama Jobs Program: Help Illegals Compete with Americans for Scarce Jobs
by Mike Flynn
www.breitbart.com
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/15/reporter_shouts_at_obama_during_immigration_speech.html
Fuck Obama. This piece of shit won't even answer a simple question.
"Is this good for American workers?" And obama melts down like the ego maniac communist thug he is.
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WATCH: Obama Chews Out A Heckling Reporter
Grace Wyler|31 minutes ago|750|4
President Barack Obama was just interrupted by a reporter during his announcement about his new immigration policy, which will end deportations of young illegal immigrants who pose no threat to national security.
A CNN clip from the press conference shows that the heckler was a Daily Caller reporter, who several people present identified as Neil Munro.
In the middle of his remarks, the heckler interrupted by someone shouting something we couldn't understand. Obama responded with a death stare, and shouted him down:
"Excuse me sir, it's not time for questions sir — not while I'm speaking."
Later, as he concluded his remarks, Obama turned back to the reporter and said sternly:
"And the answer to your question sir — and the next I'd prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question, is that this is the right thing to do for the American people," he said, before because it's the right thing to do."
Watch the video below, courtesy of Talking Points Memo:
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-interrupted-heckler-daily-caller-immigration-speech-2012-6#ixzz1xtFpIg6J
The Dictator thug at it again.
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Dreaaaaaaaaaaaaam. Dream, Dream, Dream, Dream...
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Obama interrupted by heckling reporter
politico ^ | 6/15/12 | BYRON TAU and DONOVAN SLACK
"Why’d you favor foreigners over Americans?” Munro asked.
“Excuse me, sir, but it’s not time for questions," Obama responded.
“Are you going to take questions?” Munro asked.
“Not while I’m speaking.” Obama said.
Obama eventually addressed Munro's question.
"This is the right thing to do for the American people," Obama said.
"As a general matter, reporters are there to ask [questions]," Daily Caller editor-in-chief Tucker Carlson told the New York Times' Brian Stelter. Carlson did not immediately respond to a question from POLITICO.
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This piece of shit gets another term - this nation is finished.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html#comments
You liberals really do want a King don't you?
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Obama just shoved millions of black teens right off the fucking cliff with this move.
However, morons like Option FAIL, Andre, blackass, Straw, benny refuse to see this.
AYE YOU STUPID ASS BITCH
I dont agree with this shit..
Obama just ensured the beeeeener vote for sure..
fucking dumb idiot
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AYE YOU STUPID ASS BITCH
fucking dumb idiot
Well - then demand it be reversed. I already called my reps and plan on doing more. Don't just sit there - why not challenge this piece of trash for once?
When Bush was prez and tried amensty for the invaders I was calling my reps daily, sending letters, etc as did many other repubs and we fought it off. Same w Dubai ports, Harriet meirs, etc.
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Well - then demand it be reversed. I already called my reps and plan on doing more. Don't just sit there - why not challenge this piece of trash for once?
When Bush was prez and tried amensty for the invaders I was calling my reps daily, sending letters, etc as did many other repubs and we fought it off. Same w Dubai ports, Harriet meirs, etc.
Bitch fuck you. Reverse that
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Bitch fuck you. Reverse that
Obama uses blacks like human toilet paper and you just keep asking to wipe wipe wippe and wipe
Fucking pathetic.
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Rep. Steve King to sue Obama administration over new immigration policy
The Daily Caller ^ | 6/15/12 | Matthew Boyle
Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King said Friday that he plans to sue the Obama administration to halt implementation of its newly announced selective illegal immigration law enforcement policy. He told Mike Huckabee on the former Arkansas governor’s radio program Friday that he successfully sued his own state’s governor — and won — over a similar separation-of-powers issue.
“I will tell you that — I’m not without experience on this — I’m prepared to bring a suit and seek a court order to stop implementation of this policy,” King said
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Meltdown by Gaybama
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Obama should be impeached and put in jail.
Brilliant argument there, Einstein, you're truly the genius voice of a generation.
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Brilliant argument there, Einstein, you're truly the genius voice of a generation.
Congress is supposed to make laws and substantive policies like this and the executive branch enforce it, not what obama did today - WHICH HE SAID WAS ILLEGAL LAST YEAR.
So did the law change from last year to where what this jerk said was illegal last year is legal now? hhhhmmmmmmm?
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Congress is supposed to make laws and substantive policies like this and the executive branch enforce it, not what obama did today - WHICH HE SAID WAS ILLEGAL LAST YEAR.
So did the law change from last year to where what this jerk said was illegal last year is legal now? hhhhmmmmmmm?
All immigration services were absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security in 2003 when DHS enveloped Immigration and Naturalization Services. DHS is a cabinet department established by President George W. Bush, under the control of the executive branch, for the purpose of organizing numerous different executive branch agencies into one department. Included in this department are Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), among others. There's no constitutional issue, because Congress has no claim on any part of DHS or the executive branch's decision-making here.
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thanks George
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Brilliant argument there, Einstein, you're truly the genius voice of a generation.
LOL
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HEY IDIOT - THIS IS FROM OBAMA LAST YEAR
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Obama on DREAM Act: Can't "just change the laws unilaterally" Transcript (Flashback Sept. 28, 2011)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Sept. 28, 2011 | Lynn Sweet
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:03
Obama on the DREAM Act: "I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true."
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
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http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/09/obama_on_dream_act_cant_just_c.html
Hey Obama cultists - last year he said this was illegal to do!
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So they have to blame Bush for allowing the executive office this kind of power? hahahaha
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So they have to blame Bush for allowing the executive office this kind of power? hahahaha
No - bush did not try to do this via EO. He tried to get a law passed the way a law normally gets passed - not by dictatorial FIAT!
Again - why do you leftists so desire a king? Move to North Korea if you want a dictator.
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OBAMA TO BLACK PEOPLE - D R O P D E A D
how did your disease addled brain arrive at this conclusion
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how did your disease addled brain arrive at this conclusion
Guuess who is hurt the worst by this.
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Guuess who is hurt the worst by this.
no one
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no one
So fucking delusional you are.
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The President Flouts The Law [His Action Shows "Contempt For Our Laws"]
Washington Post ^ | June 15, 2012 | Ed Rogers
Posted on June 15, 2012 5:28:07 PM EDT by Steelfish
The President Flouts The Law By Ed Rogers
Apparently, there are no limits to what the president will do to get himself reelected. There is evidence that he will manipulate the law in favor of pet causes and supporters, as in the case of Solyndra. His administration might be guilty of breaking the law, as shown by the leaks of classified national security information. And now, President Obama holds himself above the law on immigration.
Today’s executive order, granting work permits and immunity from deportation to young illegal immigrants, is not an example of the president using his authority; it’s a scandal involving the president performing a selfish act in furtherance of currying favor with a special-interest group.
Obama has acknowledged that what he did today would require a new law, or at least changes to the current law. But instead of waiting on either, he has decided to rule by fiat. This is not a show of strength; it’s an act of arrogance of rare severity.
Before you can even get to the question of whether this is good policy or if it invites more illegal immigration, you can see that the president’s actions today ignore some of the Constitution’s fundamental tenets. Yesterday, I spoke about the gall the president displayed in his so-called economic speech, which was full of gratuitous pledges and the selective retelling of history. Today’s actions go beyond gall, showing contempt for our laws.
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So fucking delusional you are.
these people have been here for years and many are probably doing jobs that most of us would not do
why do you assume that if they left that black people would suddenly want those jobs.
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I have every problem with this.
WE HAVE A LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROGRAM we need to use it, not grant amnesty to the children of LEECHES without congressional approval.
I agree with you in principle, but to be fair, our legal immigration program is horribly broken; that's hardly a reason for breaking the law, and I'm not stating it as an excuse. Just stating a fact.
Now, I don't believe grants of amnesty make sense - in fact, I would find it very difficult to agree with any program that includes amnesty. But I have to admit that the issue of people who have lived their entire lives in the United States in the United States (having been brought here as children through no fault of their own) is one of the areas where we, as a nation, need to sit down, take a deep breath, and try to address.
I guess I would be ok with allowing such individuals (not the parents who brought the child; just the child itself) under some circumstances. Off the top of my head, if they (a) are attending an accredited college or University in pursuit of an undergraduate degree and maintain at least a 3.0 GPA, or (b) are attending a University in pursuit of a graduate or post-graduate degree, or (c) own a business which is properly registered under the laws of the State and employs at least 5 people, or (d) have joined the United States Army, Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard.
Are these somewhat arbitrary? Yeah. As I said, it's criteria that, off the top of my head, would probably sell me on a limited one-time program. Some may scream and say I'm supporting amnesty and blah blah blah. Perhaps I am, although I really don't see it that way.
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This is despicable. But, it shows just how desperate this goof of a president is.
333386 said it best. I hope Obama get absolutely DESTROYED in November, not just a loss, but a complete Rodney-King-style BEATDOWN.[/[/glow]b]
Are you black?
If so, why would you side with a known racist against black people and post something like this?
Honestly, that sounds like something a KKK member would say.
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I agree with you in principle, but to be fair, our legal immigration program is horribly broken; that's hardly a reason for breaking the law, and I'm not stating it as an excuse. Just stating a fact.
Now, I don't believe grants of amnesty make sense - in fact, I would find it very difficult to agree with any program that includes amnesty. But I have to admit that the issue of people who have lived their entire lives in the United States in the United States (having been brought here as children through no fault of their own) is one of the areas where we, as a nation, need to sit down, take a deep breath, and try to address.
I guess I would be ok with allowing such individuals (not the parents who brought the child; just the child itself) under some circumstances. Off the top of my head, if they (a) are attending an accredited college or University in pursuit of an undergraduate degree and maintain at least a 3.0 GPA, or (b) are attending a University in pursuit of a graduate or post-graduate degree, or (c) own a business which is properly registered under the laws of the State and employs at least 5 people, or (d) have joined the United States Army, Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard.
Are these somewhat arbitrary? Yeah. As I said, it's criteria that, off the top of my head, would probably sell me on a limited one-time program. Some may scream and say I'm supporting amnesty and blah blah blah. Perhaps I am, although I really don't see it that way.
i agree the children are more the victims here. But, it doesn't make much sense to grant the children amnesty when their parents are still breaking the law. It makes even less sense to do this if we aren't willing to actually follow our laws and enforce our borders, deport and severely penalize companies who hire illegals.
If we are not going to follow our own laws why do i have to show my passport every time i re-enter the country?
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i agree the children are more the victims here. But, it doesn't make much sense to grant the children amnesty when their parents are still breaking the law. It makes even less sense to do this if we aren't willing to actually follow our laws and enforce our borders, deport and severely penalize companies who hire illegals.
We certainly need immigration reform, and we absolutely need to set up some kind of system to remove those who are here illegally. Really, at this point any system would be better that what we are currently doing - since we're practically doing nothing. Personally, I would not want amnesty for anyone that knowingly and willingly broke the law to get here. I'm more ambivalent about those who were brought here through no fault of their own and who may not even know that they're in the country illegally.
When it comes down to it, it's not an easy problem to solve, which makes those who try to pass it off as simple even more frustrating. I think that we can come up with something reasonable and strike a balance. Personally, I would be OK if that balance allowed a subset of those who were brought here as children through no fault of their own and which met certain requirements to either become citizens or be granted a green card, and I think that good arguments can be made for which this would be a sensible and useful approach.
Regardless of what plan is put into effect, it absolutely must include some provision that makes it clear this is a one-time thing. Unfortunately, under the current jurisprudence of the Supreme Court, Congress cannot bind future Congresses, so no law could be written that had an immutable "and this time we mean it" provision, short of some kind of Constitutional Amendment that codified that in the Constitution itself.
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http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/09/obama_on_dream_act_cant_just_c.html
Hey Obama cultists - last year he said this was illegal to do!
Its not legal to hand them citizenship without congressional approval....however its not illegal for him to tell immigration services not to pursue certain groups and quite frankly, I think its a great idea because its a serious drain on the economy. It cost 27,000 dollars just to deport 1 person......1 person plus we are losing tax money that we could be collecting. Something had to be done and Congress wasn't doing shit so Obama took care of it.
Fact is that the GOP has been stalling for over 4 years on laws making the recovery very slow....this will create an influx of taxpayer cash and save a great deal on the budget....they are here anyway so at this point, it makes no difference
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if that's true, there should be an investigation into why a bus ride to the border costs 27,000. Yea I know there is more to it than that but it shouldn't be that fucking much!
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if that's true, there should be an investigation into why a bus ride to the border costs 27,000. Yea I know there is more to it than that but it shouldn't be that fucking much!
Food, clothing, medical expenses, legal cost, employees, jailing, paperwork, transportation etc......you just can't shove them on a bus and ship them back like cargo
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Food, clothing, medical expenses, legal cost, employees, jailing, paperwork, transportation etc......you just can't shove them on a bus and ship them back like cargo
I don't see why not. It's a better trip than the one they took here and they got all kinds of shit they were not entitled to while here. And a bus ride is not treating them like cargo. ::)
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Hmmm good point. Article says almost 400,000 people were deported last year under the obama administration. At 27,000k per, we need a better answer to this. Perhaps the felons could get a bus ride back and not the working mom cleaning hotel rooms everyday. Ive personally seen this happen to the children and its gutwrenching.
Nowget ready for the "They knew it could happen so its their fault"! crowd. Totally skipping the solution and fastforwarding to the hatred of people rant as is common with so called christians.
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no legislation needs to even be talked about before we have the ability to manage the inflow. Right now we dont have the ability to stop anyone from coming in if they want to.
By doing this all we are doing is advertising that coming here illegally if you meet the requirements obammers sets forth will be ok...
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A solution has to deal with 2 main things
1.)Enforcement of immigration laws and enforcement of the border
2.)Dealing with illegals already in the country.
In my opinion you would have to do 1 first followed closely by 2. Get rid of those with a serious criminal history (don't kick out those with a speeding ticket 2 years ago), a work history, education history etc. Try to start an assimilation program with teaching language, laws, expectations etc. You fuck up during that period, you're out.
We will have to admit to ourselves that this or any solution will not be perfect and that some that should get booted will stay and some that should stay will get booted.
The whole amnesty thing was tried in the 80's amnesty was granted, there was chest beating and sermons from the mount about how "this time will be different" and then nothing was enforced, it was laughed at boy those in power, the illegals still came over both borders and across the bodies of water and we are now revisiting it all again 20 years later except now it is a much bigger problem.
The government is hooked on Illegal immigration, though. They love the low wages, cheap labor, voting block and they help prop up social security and such.
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I don't see why not. It's a better trip than the one they took here and they got all kinds of shit they were not entitled to while here. And a bus ride is not treating them like cargo. ::)
Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
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Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.
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Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
youre about as knowledgable about business as you are about airsoft guns...
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Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.
Congress has ignored it for years and money is flowing down the drain.....what Obama did is going to stop a lot of the bleeding and bring tax money into the economy. Otherwise, they'll still be illegals here but they won't be paying taxes.
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Its inhumane and it will still cost money....plus it makes international relations difficult....we still do business with Mexico
inhumane is how they usually get here and they do that to themselves! If you think being stuck on a bus for a couple hours is inhumane, you're nuts! lol
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Congress has ignored it for years and money is flowing down the drain.....what Obama did is going to stop a lot of the bleeding and bring tax money into the economy. Otherwise, they'll still be illegals here but they won't be paying taxes.
how exactly is it going to bring taxes into the economy?
I thought the liberal argument was they are already paying taxes?
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I don't see why not. It's a better trip than the one they took here and they got all kinds of shit they were not entitled to while here. And a bus ride is not treating them like cargo. ::)
There's a huge "machine" that's at work and that machine runs on money. They need to be detained - this means money for a detention facility and people to run it. They need to be screened and checked against criminal databases - this means equipment to run the checks on and people to run the equipment. They need to be housed until a sufficient number of them are present to load into the cargo container (remember, full containers result in cost savings!) - this means buildings and facilities. They need to be fed while housed - this means more buildings, more facilities, more people and costs for food. This doesn't even involve the costs associated with the judicial side of the system.
So what would you cut out while they await deportation? Detaining them and checking against criminal databases? Housing them in secure facilities and feeding them while awaiting deportation? About the only cost savings that could be had is not providing any sort of medical care, which unfortunately, the Government cannot easily do because once you are in the custody of the Government, the Government is obligated by law, to provide healthcare for the duration of the incarceration.
It's easy to just say "Yeah, just throw them on a bus." But then again, it's always easy when you only have to look at things from a mile up and can ignore the "details".
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how exactly is it going to bring taxes into the economy?
I thought the liberal argument was they are already paying taxes?
I remember reading an article a while ago about a particular "brand" of identity theft where your social security number is sold to an illegal immigrant who then gets hired for a job under his name, with your SSN. They then pay the normal taxes that are normally taken out of payroll. If that's true (and I don't know how true it is, or how big of a problem this is) then some of them certainly are paying some taxes. Well, at least that's something I guess.
I'm not a huge proponent of government-imposed bureaucracy on businesses, but some sort of required real-time electronic verification of SSN/name pairs with the Social Security Administration wouldn't be a bad idea. I believe the e-verify system does something similar, although I'm not familiar with the details of the program or whether it's a requirement that businesses implement it.
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There's a huge "machine" that's at work and that machine runs on money. They need to be detained - this means money for a detention facility and people to run it. They need to be screened and checked against criminal databases - this means equipment to run the checks on and people to run the equipment. They need to be housed until a sufficient number of them are present to load into the cargo container (remember, full containers result in cost savings!) - this means buildings and facilities. They need to be fed while housed - this means more buildings, more facilities, more people and costs for food. This doesn't even involve the costs associated with the judicial side of the system.
So what would you cut out while they await deportation? Detaining them and checking against criminal databases? Housing them in secure facilities and feeding them while awaiting deportation? About the only cost savings that could be had is not providing any sort of medical care, which unfortunately, the Government cannot easily do because once you are in the custody of the Government, the Government is obligated by law, to provide healthcare for the duration of the incarceration.
It's easy to just say "Yeah, just throw them on a bus." But then again, it's always easy when you only have to look at things from a mile up and can ignore the "details".
I guess you missed the part where I said I know there is more to it than just the bus ride. Run a criminal check, give them a peanut butter sandwich and put them on the bus. That's probably all they use to do back in the day. We didn't use to do all this shit before, is it really that important we waste that much money on sending someone back who came here illegally? ::)
if that's true, there should be an investigation into why a bus ride to the border costs 27,000. Yea I know there is more to it than that but it shouldn't be that fucking much!
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I guess you missed the part where I said I know there is more to it than just the bus ride.
No, I didn't; I was trying to illustrate a slightly different point: that the figure of $27,000 per deportation is misleading. The important and useful metric - which we do not know and I don't recall ever seeing published - is the marginal cost.
Run a criminal check, give them a peanut butter sandwich and put them on the bus.
There's a judicial process that also needs to execute; can't just put'em on a bus. I can understand that you may not think it necessary but everyone is entitled to due process. I will say that, based on the facts available to me, I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous and completely unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. Nothing more than a quick hearing should be necessary.
That's probably all they use to do back in the day. We didn't use to do all this shit before, is it really that important we waste that much money on sending someone back who came here illegally? ::)
I hardly think that our metric for how we do things should be "shiiiiit, what did they do back in the day?" I mean, we used to not have indoor plumbing and anabolic steroids either...
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No, I didn't; I was trying to illustrate a slightly different point: that the figure of $27,000 per deportation is misleading. The important and useful metric - which we do not know and I don't recall ever seeing published - is the marginal cost.
There's a judicial process that also needs to execute; can't just put'em on a bus. I can understand that you may not think it necessary but everyone is entitled to due process. I will say that, based on the facts available to me, I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous and completely unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. Nothing more than a quick hearing should be necessary.
I hardly think that our metric for how we do things should be "shiiiiit, what did they do back in the day?" I mean, we used to not have indoor plumbing and anabolic steroids either...
uh, it's pretty recent that we started doing a lot of this crap. It's not like we're talking about 1850 lol... "I think the amount of process granted is ridiculous" you said... well that was my point.
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how many people does the TSA process through airport security everyday?
Probably several million, shouldn't take much more than what those assholes are already trained in.
You could rent out air conditioned warehouses around Texas (government already has them), as holding facilities. Set up temporary processing, bring in local law enforcement, and national guard, red cross and volunteers.
This problem could be taken care of in a month.
The savings would be immense.
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HEY IDIOT - THIS IS FROM OBAMA LAST YEAR
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Obama on DREAM Act: Can't "just change the laws unilaterally" Transcript (Flashback Sept. 28, 2011)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Sept. 28, 2011 | Lynn Sweet
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2012 12:03
Obama on the DREAM Act: "I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true."
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
I would ask how he's going to spin this, but I doubt the MSM calls him on it.
Just an outrageous abuse of power.
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Start enforcing existing laws on all levels. "They" will leave by themselves. Then go from there.
good point............
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LOL, wait for the massive flood of young mexicans coming over when they hear about this. I'm sure they're all calling their familes in Mexico now saying, "hurry hurry, Obama said you can stay legally"
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Obama to average taxpayer - drop dead.
Is he going to deport the parents who are also illegal?
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Executive Overreach
By John Yoo
June 15, 2012 8:26 P.M. Comments26
President Obama’s claim that he can refuse to deport 800,000 aliens here in the country illegally illustrates the unprecedented stretching of the Constitution and the rule of law. He is laying claim to presidential power that goes even beyond that claimed by the Bush administration, in which I served. There is a world of difference in refusing to enforce laws that violate the Constitution (Bush) and refusing to enforce laws because of disagreements over policy (Obama).
Under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, the president has the duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” This provision was included to make sure that the president could not simply choose, as the British King had, to cancel legislation simply because he disagreed with it. President Obama cannot refuse to carry out a congressional statute simply because he thinks it advances the wrong policy. To do so violates the very core of his constitutional duties.
There are two exceptions, neither of which applies here. The first is that “the Laws” includes the Constitution. The president can and should refuse to execute congressional statutes that violate the Constitution, because the Constitution is the highest form of law. We in the Bush administration argued that the president could refuse to execute laws that infringed on the executive’s constitutional powers, particularly when it came to national security — otherwise, a Congress that had a different view of foreign policy could order the military to refuse to carry out the president’s orders as Commander-in-Chief, for example. When presidents such as Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, and FDR said that they would not enforce a law, they did so when the law violated their executive powers under the Constitution or the individual rights of citizens.
The president’s right to refuse to enforce unconstitutional legislation, of course, does not apply here. No one can claim with a straight face that the immigration laws here violate the Constitution.
The second exception is prosecutorial discretion, which is the idea that because of limited resources the executive cannot pursue every violation of federal law. The Justice Department must choose priorities and prosecute cases that are the most important, have the greatest impact, deter the most, and so on. But prosecutorial discretion is not being used in good faith here: A president cannot claim discretion honestly to say that he will not enforce an entire law — especially where, as here, the executive branch is enforcing the rest of immigration law.
Imagine the precedent this claim would create. President Romney could lower tax rates simply by saying he will not use enforcement resources to prosecute anyone who refuses to pay capital-gains tax. He could repeal Obamacare simply by refusing to fine or prosecute anyone who violates it.
So what we have here is a president who is refusing to carry out federal law simply because he disagrees with Congress’s policy choices. That is an exercise of executive power that even the most stalwart defenders of an energetic executive — not to mention the Framers — cannot support.
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LAST YEAR HE SAID HE COULD NOT DO THIS!
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Obama’s overreach
Last Updated: 10:39 PM, June 15, 2012
President Obama has a DREAM: to ignore Congress if it suits his needs.
In a Rose Garden speech yesterday, the president announced he was suspending the deportation of some young illegal aliens and allowing others to apply for green cards.
This essentially puts into effect the so-called DREAM Act — a highly controversial measure that he couldn’t get through the Democrat-dominated Congress two years ago.
To be fair, there is a lot to be said on behalf of the merits of the new policy — more on which below.
First, however, it must be noted that:
* What the president did yesterday was clearly meant to boost his increasingly shaky re-election prospects. It may well have been the most nakedly political act of his incumbency — and was underscored by four combative slaps at the Republicans during his brief remarks.
* It demonstrated contempt for the legislative process; Obama had declined to implement such a policy several times in the past, insisting that only Congress had the power to do so.
* It underscored yet again his inability to bring Congress to his side on a controversial issue — or, more likely, demonstrated his unwillingness even to try.
Indeed, the fact that there is significant merit to the new policy — that is, it shouldn’t be a tough case to make — simply emphasizes his ineffectiveness.
Some 800,000 young people — most brought illegally to America as children by their parents — are affected.
Such kids are in a tough spot as adults seeking to attend college or work — and anyone who thinks there ever will be a political consensus to round them up en masse and expel them is hallucinating.
But that doesn’t address the constitutional issues — as Obama once pretended to understand.
In March of last year, he was asked at a Univision-sponsored town hall, “With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of students?”
After noting the separation-of-powers issues, Obama said that there are many immigration laws on the books and “that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore [them] would not conform with my appropriate role as president.”
A month later, as Democrats urged more direct action, “a senior White House official” told The New York Times: “At the end of the day, the president cannot fix administratively what is broken in the immigration system.’’
That was then. This is now.
“The [DREAM Act] bill hasn’t really changed; the need hasn’t changed,” the president said yesterday. “It’s still the right thing to do. The only thing that has changed, apparently, was the politics.”
Precisely.
But such pandering and disrespect for process comes with a price.
As Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — who is introducing his own version of the DREAM Act — observed: “By . . . ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short-term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long-term one.”
Not that Obama seems to care.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/obama_overreach_pyzlEnbdXZF06s6X5EnD7N#ixzz1xy2avts8
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Obama is such a fucking disaster its not funny. But one good thing is that he is destroying the demo party and going off the cliff.
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Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws
By: Steve Friess
June 16, 2012 07:02 AM EDT
President Obama returned Friday to a trusted tactic — satisfying his political allies by not doing something.
Conservatives were angry when Janet Napolitano announced the administration would stop deporting certain undocumented immigrants but they should have seen it coming. On issue after issue – gay rights, drug enforcement, Internet gambling, school achievement standards – the administration has chosen to achieve its goals by a method best described as passive-aggressive.
Rather than pushing new laws through a divided Congress to enact his agenda, Obama is relying on federal agencies to ignore, or at least not defend, laws that some of his important supporters –like Hispanic voters and the gay community — don’t like.
“If the president says we’re not going to enforce the law, there’s really nothing anyone can do about it,” University of Pennsylvania constitutional law professor Kermit Roosevelt said. “It’s clearly a political calculation.”
A White House official said the strategy is the result of a stalemate in Washington.
“We we work to achieve our policy goals in the most effective and appropriate way possible,” the official said. “Often times Congress has blocked efforts (ie [No Child Left Behind] and DREAM) and we look to pursue other appropriate means of achieving our policy goals. Sometimes this makes for less than ideal policy situations - such as the action we took on immigration - but the president isn’t going to be stonewalled by politics, he will pursue whatever means available to do business on behalf of American people.”
For Obama – and future presidents should Washington remain polarized to the point of perpetual inaction —it may be the only way to fulfill a range of campaign promises.
As of Friday, the federal government won’t deport undocumented immigrants under age 30 who came to the United States as children. It is a temporary, de facto implementation of a part of the stalled DREAM Act.
The result: a loud message to Hispanic voters to remember Obama in November.
On gay rights, too, the administration has asked agencies to do less. In February 2011 the Justice Department announced it would not defend DOMA against court challenges — an unusual step for the agency, which typically defends legal challenges to laws on the books. But the 1996 law, which bars the government from recognizing same-sex marriage, appears headed to the U.S. Supreme Court via either the 9th or 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.
In August, Obama’s DHS announced it would no longer deport the non-citizen spouses of gay Americans — a direct contradiction to DOMA as well.
The tactic has its start in the earliest days of the administration. In October 2009, the DOJ announced it would not prosecute medical marijuana users or suppliers in states where it’s legal, despite the state laws contradicting federal law. Federal law generally trumps state law in such matters.
Last September, the DOJ also announced a change of legal interpretation that effectively legalized Internet gambling. Two statutes seem to ban it – the Wire Act of 1961, which bars betting across state lines using the telecommunications devices, and the 2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which bans American banks from processing payments to online casinos.
On education, too, Obama has made policy by not enforcing the law. By fiat, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan granted waivers to 10 states freeing them from the strict requirements of the 2002 No Child Left Behind Act. In doing so, the president removed the mechanism that would force certain school standards to be improved.
“The president is using executive power to do things Congress has refused to do, and that does fit a disturbing pattern of expansion of executive power under President Obama,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law scholar at George Washington University Law School known for his support of progressive causes as well as his ire at Obama for not prosecuting Bush officials in connection with alleged torture of terror suspects.
“In many ways, President Obama has fulfilled the dream of an imperial presidency that Richard Nixon strived for. On everything from (the Defense of Marriage Act) to the gaming laws, this is a president who is now functioning as a super legislator. He is effectively negating parts of the criminal code because he disagrees with them. That does go beyond the pale.”
That Nixon analogy may be apt, John Eastman, a constitutional law professor known for his support of conservative causes at Chapman University School of Law in Orange, Calif said. He cited Nixon’s abuse of the traditional presidential power of not spending, or impounding, allocated funds as an earlier example of a president opting not to carry out the will of Congress.
Yet other scholars cited a more recent example: President George W. Bush’s signing statements. The Republican came under fire from Democrats for his frequent decision to attach statements to bills he signed that indicated he found various provisions unconstitutional and, thus, would not enforce or follow them.
“There’s a difference between refusing to enforce a statute (as Obama is doing) and refusing to recognize a statute that binds the executive,” Roosevelt said. “The latter is what the Bush Administration used to do. When Bush issued signing statements that he would construe laws so as not to infringe on his Commander in Chief power, he was saying that he reserved the right to disregard them if he thought it was necessary to protect the country, since that’s what the secret memos said the Commander in Chief power required. … I view that as more extreme.”
Roosevelt, like Eastman and Turley, worries that the Obama approach will give a future president the license “to decide we’re not going to prosecute insider trading or enforce EPA regulations. They could do that.”
And while giddy liberals on Friday marveled at Obama’s brazen craftiness, legal experts say supporters might feel a lot differently if the tactic becomes an enduring precedent.
“Say a Republican were to follow this strategy after regaining the White House in January of 2013 and the Supreme Court upholds the health care bill and Romney can’t repeal it because the Democrats in the Senate filibuster it, he could basically repeal it through non-enforcement,” said Eastman.
They theoretically could but won’t, said former Obama legal adviser Laurence Tribe, a Harvard Law School constitutional professor and prominent liberal scholar.
“It’s always possible to conjure hypotheticals that test the outer boundaries of the broad principle that the president is generally obligated to enforce laws duly enacted by Congress but has a paramount duty to obey the Constitution,” Tribe wrote POLITICO in an e-mail. “Obviously the rule of law and the importance of orderly and stable governance in a system that relies principally on the judicial branch to ‘say what the law is’ precludes promiscuous presidential exercise of the prerogative of non-compliance. Yet it is also surely true that presidents cannot blindly follow Congressional directives unless and until a court tells them to stop! What if a Congress were to tell the president to shoot all self-proclaimed Mormons on sight, the way the governor of Missouri once did in the 19 th century? Surely no president with a constitutional conscience could comply with such a directive.”
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As a white, tax paying, hetero sexual, male, non-communist, pro-freedom and pro business, person - this disgusting ghetto slum pimp and his cabal of communists, marxists, leninsts, maoists, gays, racists, freaks, and traitors offers absolutely nothing to me.
FUBO! BTW - every business person I know is intentionally holding back spending anything until obama is gone as a big F U to obama.
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Are you outraged?
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Are you outraged?
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."
Oh, wait, that was a typo. What I meant to write was this:
Are you never not outraged?
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Oh, wait, that was a typo. What I meant to write was this:
Are you never not outraged?
Of course you are perfectly ok w this since obama is your gay black messianic savior.
You leftist drones have a messianic cult worship of this fraud.
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;D
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Posted on June 15, 2012
Krauthammer: Obama's Immigration Policy Is "Out-And-Out Lawlessness"
"Beyond the pandering, beyond the politics, beyond the process is simple constitutional decency. This is out-and-out lawlessness. You had a clip of the president himself say months ago 'I cannot do this on my own because there are laws on the books.' Well, I have news for the president: The laws remain on the books, they haven't changed," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said on "FOX News" tonight.
"He proposed the DREAM Act of which the executive order is a variation. He proposed a DREAM Act. The Congress said no. The Congress is the one who makes the laws. What the administration does is it administers law. And in fact, what it's pretending to do is to use discretion, that's what the Homeland Security Secretary said," Dr. Krauthammer said.
"This is not discretion," he said. "Discretion is when you treat it on a one-by-one basis on the grounds of extenuating circumstances. This is the declaration of a whole new set of criteria, which is essentially resurrecting the legislation that the Congress has said no to."
“And I think this is not how you run a constitutional Republic. This ought to be in the hands of Congress, and it is an end-run. What's ironic of course is for eight years, the Democrats have been screaming about the imperial presidency with the Bush administration, the nonsense about the unitary executive. This is out-and-out lawlessness. This is not how you govern. And I think that's the first issue that should be on the table," Krauthammer concluded.
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Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws
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As a white, tax paying, hetero sexual, male, non-communist, pro-freedom and pro business, person - this disgusting ghetto slum pimp and his cabal of communists, marxists, leninsts, maoists, gays, racists, freaks, and traitors offers absolutely nothing to me.
FUBO! BTW - every business person I know is intentionally holding back spending anything until obama is gone as a big F U to obama.
what a pack of lies
you're a very low level attorney who probably doesn't make enough money to pay any signficant amount of taxes
after Bay, you're by far the gayest poster on this board
I guess we can take your word that you're a male but you cry like a little girl on a daily basis
you're by far the biggest commie on this board. You constantly rant that people can't be trusted to vote "correctly"
the only thing you're pro-freedom about is stuff that you like but you have no problem restricting the freedom of others
pro-business - maybe but then so are most everyone in the country. I think what you really mean by this is that you're anti-regulation of any kind and that business should be a able to do whatever they want even at any time
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what a pack of lies
you're a very low level attorney who probably doesn't make enough money to pay any signficant amount of taxes
after Bay, you're by far the gayest poster on this board
I guess we can take your word that you're a male but you cry like a little girl on a daily basis
you're by far the biggest commie on this board. You constantly rant that people can't be trusted to vote "correctly"
the only thing you're pro-freedom about is stuff that you like but you have no problem restricting the freedom of others
pro-business - maybe but then so are most everyone in the country. I think what you really mean by this is that you're anti-regulation of any kind and that business should be a able to do whatever they want even at any time
Whatever asshole. Obama said last year twice it was illegal and unlawful for him to do what he did yesterday.
I posted the videos. Your messianic cult hero is a lawless 3rd world ghetto thug and traitor.
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If We Took the Constitution Seriously, Obama Would Be Impeached
American Thinker ^ | June 15, 2012 | Michael Filozof
If the citizens of this Republic still took the Constitution seriously, Obama would be impeached for his decision to unilaterally grant amnesty to certain illegal aliens.
Article 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution, which enumerates the power of Congress, states that "Congress shall have the Power To... establish an [sic] uniform Rule of Naturalization."
Congress has passed numerous laws pertaining to immigration and naturalization, including laws requiring the deportation of illegals.
The role of the President, according to Article II, Sec. 3, is to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Obama's refusal to execute Congress's immigration laws (or, for that matter, Congress's Defense of Marriage Act) is an impeachable offense.
Article II, Sec. 4 states that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for... Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."
The deliberate failure to enforce valid immigration law and allow hordes of foreigners to live and work in the U.S. is, arguably, "treason," and doing so in an election year to appease Hispanic voters could certainly be considered "bribery."
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
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Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws
FUBO! BTW - every business person I know is intentionally holding back spending anything until obama is gone as a big F U to obama.
btw - I'll give you credit for this little bit of accidental honesty on your part
now you can stop pretending that businesses are waiting for "certainty" in order to start creating jobs
you've admitted they are really just doing it to spite Obama..... at least just "every business person" that you know
If Obama has broken any laws then let's see the Republican controlled House start the impeachment process
Until then STFU
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Man this is such a great plan for the economy.
You know with Black Unemployment amongst the youth at 33.1% allowing 800,000 illegal immigrants the ability to search for work legally is definitely in the Black Youths best interest.
You know with 1 in 2 of College Grads that are unemployed or underemployed it is really in their best interest for 800,000 illegal immigrants to have the ability to go to College and search for jobs. This is Obviously in the American Citizens and the Legal Residents best interest.
I mean why do things legally in this country? It is obviously American Citizens and Legal Residents are second class citizens. It is obvious that Illegal Immigrants are first class citizens because they get to ignore laws and the Federal Government panders to them.
Such a sad day to be an American. It is obvious the President doesn't care for what is best for America but what is best for his re election. But in my opinion this won't help his re election. Obama truly believes a Immigrant family that saved Tens of Thousands of dollars taking years if not decades so they will have the ability to bring their family to this country legally are going to be happy with this move? He truly believes these families will be OK for law breakers to get in the front of the line over them? I think not. This will backfire Americans believe in the Separation of Powers and strong laws.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/obama-immigrants_n_1602406.html#comments
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what a pack of lies
you're a very low level attorney who probably doesn't make enough money to pay any signficant amount of taxes
after Bay, you're by far the gayest poster on this board
I guess we can take your word that you're a male but you cry like a little girl on a daily basis
you're by far the biggest commie on this board. You constantly rant that people can't be trusted to vote "correctly"
the only thing you're pro-freedom about is stuff that you like but you have no problem restricting the freedom of others
pro-business - maybe but then so are most everyone in the country. I think what you really mean by this is that you're anti-regulation of any kind and that business should be a able to do whatever they want even at any time
and you "own your own business" in "finance" and know nothing about either...
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and you "own your own business" in "finance" and know nothing about either...
you're certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I and anyone else
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If We Took the Constitution Seriously, Obama Would Be Impeached
No question
Wouldn't almost all of our past dozen or so Presidents have been impeached had we followed to Constitution? Almost all of them committed serious crimes.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0616/Obama-immigration-order-Does-audacity-of-hope-mean-unchecked-presidential-power
Do you scumbag Obama cultists Really want a king?
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and when a dem congress refuses to support ANYTHING a president romney wants, he'll do the same thing.
what do you do when the members of congress pride themselves on "I promise to get NOTHING done on my watch".?
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and when a dem congress refuses to support ANYTHING a president romney wants, he'll do the same thing.
what do you do when the members of congress pride themselves on "I promise to get NOTHING done on my watch".?
Where is Harry Reid? and guess what 180 - unlike GWB, Clinton, GHWB, Reagan, etc, Ghettobama NEVER comunicates with others or tries to get anything done at all!
He has only himself to blame for the mess.
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what is the 'mess'?
Obama got his way. Rubio is neutralized as a threat because any hispanic support he brings is "me too!" to obama's Dream act exec order already. Now all romney gets is rubio's inexperience and quesiton marks. Never been nationally vetted.
But hey, run a weak ticket again. You had an inexperienced VP in 2008 race and 60% of voters believed she wasn't ready to be prez. Rubio ain't ready.
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Playing Latinos for Pawns (He just can't help it)
Townhall.com ^ | June 16, 2012 | Carol Platt Liebau
Posted on June 16, 2012 6:50:41 PM EDT by Kaslin
Desperately flailing in his bid for re-election, the President hopes to sway votes in the Latino community (especially in states he needs like New Mexico and Colorado) by coming up with a half-baked extralegal plan that -- depending on how one looks at it -- is either nothing at all, or else constitutes a big impediment to reaching a permanent, legislative solution on how to address the illegal immigration crisis in this country.
How is the plan nothing at all? Well, how many young people under 30 who meet all the criteria set out by the President yesterday are actually being pursued and deported? I would wager not many.
And so now, the President is willing to give them work permits. That might mean a little more if unemployment among young people weren't at historically high levels -- approximately 16% among those 25 and under.
Now, he's simply creating more competition in an already suffering cohort of the labor market . . . after having failed to demonstrate the leadership to spearhead a serious, meaningful immigration reform bill despite having had two years of an overwhelming Democrat majority in which he could have done so (and during a term in which he has broken repeated promises to do so; apparently, the pledge to get on it first thing next term wasn't enough! ). Instead, he pursued massively unpopular ObamaCare.
On the other hand, how is the plan an impediment? As this LA Times story makes clear, the President's idea came in response to pleas from Democrat senators -- who realized that Republican Marco Rubio was putting together a real legislative solution that could address the crisis. Having him do so was a political nightmare for the Democrats, who are hoping to cement the Latino vote by handing out tokens like this one while accusing the Republicans of being anti-Latino.
Thus, rather than working with Rubio to hammer out legislation that would have addressed the problem in a serious, permanent way -- and truly benefited Latinos -- the President chose instead the path that would benefit himself and his allies politically. It also helps to poison the water for any real and lasting reform, to the detriment of those who need it most.
(Of course, this analysis sets aside the President's unconscionable arrogation of power that he himself has acknowledged is not his to take -- a shameful and desperate move inimical to the long-term health of our republic and its separation of powers.)
Let us hope that Latinos understand that the President has done little to advance their real long-term interests -- that, in fact, he has been hoping to hoodwink them, and willing to make them pawns to further his own electoral prospects at their ultimate expense.
The contrast is striking: President Reagan believed there was no limit to what could be achieved if you don't care who gets the credit. President Obama doesn't care if anything is achieved so long as he can claim whatever credit there is.
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Meltdown by Gaybama
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Never question the messiah.
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If We Took the Constitution Seriously, Obama Would Be Impeached
American Thinker ^ | June 15, 2012 | Michael Filozof
If the citizens of this Republic still took the Constitution seriously, Obama would be impeached for his decision to unilaterally grant amnesty to certain illegal aliens.
Article 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution, which enumerates the power of Congress, states that "Congress shall have the Power To... establish an [sic] uniform Rule of Naturalization."
Congress has passed numerous laws pertaining to immigration and naturalization, including laws requiring the deportation of illegals.
The role of the President, according to Article II, Sec. 3, is to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Obama's refusal to execute Congress's immigration laws (or, for that matter, Congress's Defense of Marriage Act) is an impeachable offense.
Article II, Sec. 4 states that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for... Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."
The deliberate failure to enforce valid immigration law and allow hordes of foreigners to live and work in the U.S. is, arguably, "treason," and doing so in an election year to appease Hispanic voters could certainly be considered "bribery."
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Obama isn't making them citizens....he's issuing work permits to them which would in effect make them pay taxes. American Thinker doesn't seem to think much.... ::)
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Obama isn't making them citizens....he's issuing work permits to them which would in effect make them pay taxes. American Thinker doesn't seem to think much.... ::)
Obama said twice last year that was he did yesterday was illegal. Did the law change?
And how you blacks still support this thug is beyond me. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for allowing yourselves to be treated like human toilet paper and shit by this imposter. He has done ZILCH for blacks and yet you morons will cheerfully follow him right off the cliff for one reason and one reason only. Disgraceful.
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Obama said twice last year that was he did yesterday was illegal. Did the law change?
And how you blacks still support this thug is beyond me. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for allowing yourselves to be treated like human toilet paper and shit by this imposter. He has done ZILCH for blacks and yet you morons will cheerfully follow him right off the cliff for one reason and one reason only. Disgraceful.
so they dont have to pay taxes
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Immigration: The Latest Example of Obama's Unprecedented Power Grabs
Townhall.com ^ | June 17, 2012 | Kevin Glass
Posted on June 17, 2012 5:27:41 PM EDT by Kaslin
In the wake of the 2010 midterm elections, Republicans were energized. Their perception was that President Obama, in his first two years in the Oval Office, shunned bipartisan cooperation and intentionally aggravated Republicans in an effort to get his progressive policies enacted into law. Now that the GOP had control of some small percentage of the federal government, Obama would have to at least attempt to reach across the aisle.
That's how the argument went. But the reality has fallen far short of that. The Obama Administration has decided that, instead of reforming laws that are on the books, they'd simply not enforce them. From DOMA to the DREAM Act to No Child Left Behind, Obama has used executive power rather than going through Congress.
Politico's Steve Friess has the details:
“We we work to achieve our policy goals in the most effective and appropriate way possible,” the [White House] official said. “Often times Congress has blocked efforts (ie [No Child Left Behind] and DREAM) and we look to pursue other appropriate means of achieving our policy goals.
On gay rights, too, the administration has asked agencies to do less. In February 2011 the Justice Department announced it would not defend DOMA against court challenges — an unusual step for the agency, which typically defends legal challenges to laws on the books.
The tactic has its start in the earliest days of the administration. In October 2009, the DOJ announced it would not prosecute medical marijuana users or suppliers in states where it’s legal, despite the state laws contradicting federal law.
This is a shocking expansion of executive power that Congress-loving progressives used to abhor. It turns out, though, that when the President has a D next to his name, progressives are in favor of unprecedented expansions to executive power.
Jonathan Turley, a constitutional scholar that Friess quotes, notes that "President Obama has fulfilled the dream of an impreial presidency that Richard Nixon strived for... this is a President who is now functioning as a super legislator." He's right. Progressives should be careful what they wish for. They've cheered President Obama's unilateral power expansions every step of the way - from drone strikes that kill American citizens to recess appointments done without a recess, they should stop to think what would happen if these powers were possessed by "the other side."
Imagine, a legal expert writes, that a Republican president simply announces that his Environmental Protection Agency is going to halt enforcement of pollution regulations. Or that a Republican's IRS isn't going to enforce the Obamacare mandate.
When George W. Bush was in power, progressives were outraged at his expansion of executive power. President Obama has largely kept every executive power that Bush claimed and expanded the executive's power even further.
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Immigration: The Latest Example of Obama's Unprecedented Power Grabs
Townhall.com ^ | June 17, 2012 | Kevin Glass
Posted on June 17, 2012 5:27:41 PM EDT by Kaslin
In the wake of the 2010 midterm elections, Republicans were energized. Their perception was that President Obama, in his first two years in the Oval Office, shunned bipartisan cooperation and intentionally aggravated Republicans in an effort to get his progressive policies enacted into law. Now that the GOP had control of some small percentage of the federal government, Obama would have to at least attempt to reach across the aisle.
That's how the argument went. But the reality has fallen far short of that. The Obama Administration has decided that, instead of reforming laws that are on the books, they'd simply not enforce them. From DOMA to the DREAM Act to No Child Left Behind, Obama has used executive power rather than going through Congress.
Politico's Steve Friess has the details:
“We we work to achieve our policy goals in the most effective and appropriate way possible,” the [White House] official said. “Often times Congress has blocked efforts (ie [No Child Left Behind] and DREAM) and we look to pursue other appropriate means of achieving our policy goals.
On gay rights, too, the administration has asked agencies to do less. In February 2011 the Justice Department announced it would not defend DOMA against court challenges — an unusual step for the agency, which typically defends legal challenges to laws on the books.
The tactic has its start in the earliest days of the administration. In October 2009, the DOJ announced it would not prosecute medical marijuana users or suppliers in states where it’s legal, despite the state laws contradicting federal law.
This is a shocking expansion of executive power that Congress-loving progressives used to abhor. It turns out, though, that when the President has a D next to his name, progressives are in favor of unprecedented expansions to executive power.
Jonathan Turley, a constitutional scholar that Friess quotes, notes that "President Obama has fulfilled the dream of an impreial presidency that Richard Nixon strived for... this is a President who is now functioning as a super legislator." He's right. Progressives should be careful what they wish for. They've cheered President Obama's unilateral power expansions every step of the way - from drone strikes that kill American citizens to recess appointments done without a recess, they should stop to think what would happen if these powers were possessed by "the other side."
Imagine, a legal expert writes, that a Republican president simply announces that his Environmental Protection Agency is going to halt enforcement of pollution regulations. Or that a Republican's IRS isn't going to enforce the Obamacare mandate.
When George W. Bush was in power, progressives were outraged at his expansion of executive power. President Obama has largely kept every executive power that Bush claimed and expanded the executive's power even further.
no need to imagine it because that's essentially what Bush did in 2008
http://environment.about.com/od/airquality/a/bush_ozone.htm
If the right wingers don't like the power the current POTUS is using then they should have been opposed to it when their guy was setting the precedent
If you don't like it then you should take Herman Cain's advice and Blame Yourself
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they were okay when a repub was issuing exec orders for anything he liked.
now they act all surprised when a dem does it?
victimhood.
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they were okay when a repub was issuing exec orders for anything he liked.
now they act all surprised when a dem does it?
victimhood.
yep and as Doug Steele pointed out on page 3 of this thread the very power that Obama is using came from the DHS which was a creation of the Bush Administration
Then again, it's par for the course for Repubs to bitch and moan about the very things they championed when their guy was in office. This is the party that votes against the own legislation as soon as Obama gets on board so it's not exactly a suprise
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yep and as Doug Steele pointed out on page 3 of this thread the very power that Obama is using came from the DHS which was a creation of the Bush Administration
Then again, it's par for the course for Repubs to bitch and moan about the very things they championed when their guy was in office. This is the party that votes against the own legislation as soon as Obama gets on board so it's not exactly a suprise
Obama said twice last year that what he did is illegal. What changed?
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Obama's Naked Pandering To Illegals
IBD ^ | June 15, 2012 | Editor
Posted on June 18, 2012 6:05:56 AM EDT by yoe
Election '12: In his most brazen act of pandering to date, President Obama has dangled de facto amnesty to 800,000 illegal immigrants in a shameless bid to win Latino votes. This is pure banana-republic electoral politics.
There's zero doubt Obama's Friday order to hand work permits to hundreds of thousands of illegals who claim they were brought here as children is merely an embattled and unpopular president's bid to gain an electoral edge.
Politics trump all other factors that a responsible president would consider, such as the wisdom of dumping nearly a million new job seekers onto the market to compete for jobs with America's 26 million unemployed at a time of sky-high unemployment.
[snip] Obama has told his supporters in the past that he couldn't take such a brazen step, knowing that its legality and clear usurpation of congressional authority would be questioned.
[snip This is no different from banana-republic politicos buying votes for bags of beans. Obama's gambit is in fact straight from Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who, facing a tight recall referendum in 2004, handed citizenship to 2 million illegal immigrants in Venezuela to secure votes, and with Jimmy Carter's help, won.
It's also been done in that other banana-republic, California, where in 2003, Democratic Gov. Gray Davis offered drivers licenses to millions of illegals to secure Latino votes for his own recall referendum. It maddened California's voters and Davis was booted. ]
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yep and as Doug Steele pointed out on page 3 of this thread the very power that Obama is using came from the DHS which was a creation of the Bush Administration
Then again, it's par for the course for Repubs to bitch and moan about the very things they championed when their guy was in office. This is the party that votes against the own legislation as soon as Obama gets on board so it's not exactly a suprise
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Repub is the most hypocritical creatures this world has grown
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Repub is the most hypocritical creatures this world has grown
Every criminal comes up w a justification for their crime.
Obama said this was illegal twice last year remember?
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Every criminal comes up w a justification for their crime.
Obama said this was illegal twice last year remember?
Who cares?
Obama is what he is but he is a 100 times better than the repub thats for sure
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Who cares?
Obama is what he is but he is a 100 times better than the repub thats for sure
Lol. You Obama drones truly want a king and a messiah. You applaud lawlessness so long as it is the ghetto messiah doing it.
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Every criminal comes up w a justification for their crime.
Obama said this was illegal twice last year remember?
why wont romney promise to reverse an order we all know is illegal?
he's in panic mode, scared to commit to ANY position on this.
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here's a bold prediciton - whatever position Rush takes today at noon EST...
is the EXACT same position Romney chooses to take in public statements on monday night ;)
WATCH AND SEE!
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why wont romney promise to reverse an order we all know is illegal?
he's in panic mode, scared to commit to ANY position on this.
Because Romney is a pussy
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Lol. You Obama drones truly want a king and a messiah. You applaud lawlessness so long as it is the ghetto messiah doing it.
Yes i love Obama and think he is the second coming of christ ::)
Are you a teenager?
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Its not legal to hand them citizenship without congressional approval....however its not illegal for him to tell immigration services not to pursue certain groups and
WRONG!!!
As president HE CAN'T CHOOSE TO NOT ENFORCE THE LAW OF THE LAND. PERIOD.
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and when a dem congress refuses to support ANYTHING a president romney wants, he'll do the same thing.
Prove it. Link please? You are making assumptions with no evidence to support such nonsense.
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“And I think this is not how you run a constitutional Republic. This ought to be in the hands of Congress, and it is an end-run. What's ironic of course is for eight years, the Democrats have been screaming about the imperial presidency with the Bush administration, the nonsense about the unitary executive. This is out-and-out lawlessness. This is not how you govern. And I think that's the first issue that should be on the table," Krauthammer concluded.
End of thread. So much for CHANGE.
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no need to imagine it because that's essentially what Bush did in 2008
http://environment.about.com/od/airquality/a/bush_ozone.htm
If the right wingers don't like the power the current POTUS is using then they should have been opposed to it when their guy was setting the precedent
If you don't like it then you should take Herman Cain's advice and Blame Yourself
Your stupidity comes from your assumption that "right wingers" didn't oppose Bush. Your stupidity is stating that Bush went to this extent. He never did.
Your stupidity comes from the fact that you liberal idiots destroyed Bush and labeled him another Hitler. Yet, you are now applauding Obama for doing worse and are giving him a pass by stating that Bush did the same. Do you honestly believe that this makes for a credible arguement when Obama and you morons for the entirety of 2008 preached CHANGE?
Where is the CHANGE? WHERE? I thought the reason you idiots did not vote for McCain was because it would be a third Bush term. Obama has proved every bit a third Bush but with a worse economy.
CHANGE!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEH!!! So much for that.
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Repub is the most hypocritical creatures this world has grown
CHANGE!!! HOPE AND CHANGE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Lawless and He Knows It
Townhall.com ^ | June 18, 2012 | Bob Beauprez
Posted on June 18, 2012 8:32:35 AM EDT by Kaslin
Even he knows better, or at least he should. That man, Barack Obama. After all he claims to be a Constitutional Law professor. But, on Friday, the President blew it.
I understand that there are at least as many different ideas of how to fix the illegal immigration problem as there are Members of Congress. So, it comes as no surprise that the President also has some thoughts on the subject – particularly as the election draws near.
But, when I heard him announce his executive order which changes existing law, I bristled. The Constitution is very clear about separation of powers; the Congress makes laws, the executive branch administers them.
Obama knows it, too. In September 2011 in response to pressure to take this same action he said, "this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally in just not true…there are laws on the books that I have to enforce…we live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it."
Earlier in 2011, Obama said the same thing to La Raza; "The idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. But that's not how our system works." And, on Univision he said, "Congress passes the law. The executive branch's job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws. There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President."
What changed since then? Did I miss an Amendment to the Constitution?
No. Barack Obama just trampled on it – again. The great Charles Krauthammer summed it up best, "This is out-and-out lawlessness." See the Fox News video below. Full text of his comments is here.
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Your stupidity comes from your assumption that "right wingers" didn't oppose Bush. Your stupidity is stating that Bush went to this extent. He never did.
Your stupidity comes from the fact that you liberal idiots destroyed Bush and labeled him another Hitler. Yet, you are now applauding Obama for doing worse and are giving him a pass by stating that Bush did the same. Do you honestly believe that this makes for a credible arguement when Obama and you morons for the entirety of 2008 preached CHANGE?
Where is the CHANGE? WHERE? I thought the reason you idiots did not vote for McCain was because it would be a third Bush term. Obama has proved every bit a third Bush but with a worse economy.
CHANGE!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEH!!! So much for that.
Well if Obama is Bush does that mean you will vote Obama Dario?
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Well if Obama is Bush does that mean you will vote Obama Dario?
No. I am voting for Romney. I never voted for Bush.
And Bush is not Obama. No one is as stupid or as incompetent as Obama. Not even both Bushes.
The liberals, however, essentially voted for a third Bush term by voting for Obama. CONGRATULATIONS!!! HOPE AND CHANGE!!!!! There is no HOPE. There never was. And now it is more evident than ever that there is no CHANGE!!!!
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Prove it. Link please? You are making assumptions with no evidence to support such nonsense.
links to the new 'leadership' of the house vowing to stop anything the dems do in congress?
lol youre kidding right? have you seen the comparison of this congress with past congresses? they rejeect everything.
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links to the new 'leadership' of the house vowing to stop anything the dems do in congress?
lol youre kidding right? have you seen the comparison of this congress with past congresses? they rejeect everything.
Hey idiot - guess why they wont work with obama? Your kneepadding poor barry is a fucking joke. When obama goes about his presidency like a dictator and a tyrant, why should ANYONE work with him?
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No. I am voting for Romney. I never voted for Bush.
And Bush is not Obama. No one is as stupid or as incompetent as Obama. Not even both Bushes.
The liberals, however, essentially voted for a third Bush term by voting for Obama. CONGRATULATIONS!!! HOPE AND CHANGE!!!!! There is no HOPE. There never was. And now it is more evident than ever that there is no CHANGE!!!!
Cool :)
Where do you think Romney will differ from Obama? (specifik none of this he is a commie bla bla BS)
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Tom Hoefling: Obama usurpation and dereliction merit immediate impeachment and removal
America's Party News ^ | June 17, 2012 | Tom Hoefling
"This is how great republics die"
"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?"
-- George Washington
The Constitution of the United States, which all officers of government, in every branch, must swear to support, is crystal clear that Congress has the exclusive constitutional grant of power to establish immigration and naturalization standards.
Article 1, Section 8:
"The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..."
Also, the Constitution absolutely requires that the United States protect each of the States from Invasion.
Article 4, Section 4:
"The United States...shall protect each of them [the States] against Invasion..."
Barack Obama's actions this week in, by executive decree, granting certain classes of illegal invaders of our country a de facto amnesty are an obvious usurpation of that exclusive congressional power, AND they are a gross dereliction of one of the primary imperative duties of the Commander-in-Chief.
If a president were acting to check a lawless law passed by a lawless Congress; in other words, if he was standing firmly against a Congress or Court that had clearly breached their own constitutional limits; I would support actions by the chief executive to stop them. His oath would require that he do so.
But that is obviously not the case here.
I applaud the actions of my congressman, Steve King, in launching a court challenge to this illegitimate Obama policy. The third branch of government, the judiciary, should immediately join with the legislative branch to check the executive's lawlessness.
However, this is a perfect case to illustrate why Congress was also given the impeachment power. If they cared at all for their own oaths to support the Constitution; if they cared about the survival of the rule of law in this country, if they cared for our territorial integrity and sovereignty, they would immediately impeach this usurper and remove him from office at once.
To be frank though, experience tells me that they will not do so. Obama Democrats have no regard for the Constitution or their oaths, and Romney Repubublicans have no principles or spine.
This is how great republics die.
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Your stupidity comes from your assumption that "right wingers" didn't oppose Bush. Your stupidity is stating that Bush went to this extent. He never did.
Your stupidity comes from the fact that you liberal idiots destroyed Bush and labeled him another Hitler. Yet, you are now applauding Obama for doing worse and are giving him a pass by stating that Bush did the same. Do you honestly believe that this makes for a credible arguement when Obama and you morons for the entirety of 2008 preached CHANGE?
Where is the CHANGE? WHERE? I thought the reason you idiots did not vote for McCain was because it would be a third Bush term. Obama has proved every bit a third Bush but with a worse economy.
CHANGE!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEH!!! So much for that.
your stupidity comes from failing to address the fact that Bush set the precedent for the type of action that Obama has now taken. Feel free to show anywhere on this thread or anywhere where I've said I agree or condone the actions taken by Obama on this issue
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your stupidity comes from failing to address the fact that Bush set the precedent for the type of action that Obama has now taken. Feel free to show anywhere on this thread or anywhere where I've said I agree or condone the actions taken by Obama on this issue
Obama said TWICE last year that what he did on Friday was illegal.
What changed other than his disastrous poll numbers as we get closer to an election?
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Obama said TWICE last year that what he did on Friday was illegal.
What changed other than his disastrous poll numbers as we get closer to an election?
if he's done something illegal (I don't know if he has or has not) then the Republican congress will impeach him
don't you think?
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if he's done something illegal (I don't know if he has or has not) then the Republican congress will impeach him
don't you think?
Like Harry Reid would ever allow a trial in the Senate? Yeah, ok.
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Like Harry Reid would ever allow a trial in the Senate? Yeah, ok.
impeachment starts in the House of Representatives
do you really think Bohner, Cantor etc.. gives a shit about Harry Reid
will that be their excuse for letting Obama break that law (alleged by you)
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impeachment starts in the House of Representatives
do you really think Bohner, Cantor etc.. gives a shit about Harry Reid
will that be their excuse for letting Obama break that law (alleged by you)
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I rarely ever watch any videos you post (you know this by now)
Any one on person in the House can start the impeachment process
why would they all give him a pass ?
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I rarely ever watch any videos you post (you know this by now)
Any one on person in the House can start the impeachment process
why would they all give him a pass ?
Obama admitted TWICE that legally he can't do what he did on Friday. What changed?
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Obama admitted TWICE that legally he can't do what he did on Friday. What changed?
beats me
maybe the specific action he took is not illegal
again, if it is then I assume someone in the House will start the impeachment process
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Obama admitted TWICE that legally he can't do what he did on Friday. What changed?
good Q. Romney won't even tell us if he'll repeal it.
Do you think romney is hispandering, 333386?
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good Q. Romney won't even tell us if he'll repeal it.
Do you think romney is hispandering, 333386?
I think you need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to divert attention as always and stop being a trolling little c vnt bag.
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links to the new 'leadership' of the house vowing to stop anything the dems do in congress?
lol youre kidding right? have you seen the comparison of this congress with past congresses? they rejeect everything.
You are the one acting like you know exactly what Romney is going to do. So you provide the proof. Put up or shut up.
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I think you need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to divert attention as always and stop being a trolling little c vnt bag.
Shut up bitch, youre the king of trolling, usless threads, and quickly changing or muddying the thread when you get called out to be a liar/idiot
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"fine...but but but.. did you see my thread on Obama spending time tying his show"
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Shut up bitch, youre the king of trolling, usless threads, and quickly changing or muddying the thread when you get called out to be a liar/idiot
Obama admitted twice last year that what he is doing is illegal and obama slaves like yourself, vince, andre, benny, blacken, etc refuse to hold him accountable because racial solidarity trumps everything above all else.
I love it too. Obama takes a dull knife across the throats of black america and you morons are too fucking sheepish to stand up to this.
Keep worshiping at the altar of obama - you idiots are signing your own death warrants. Hilarious and comical that you fools who worship a communist fraud would rather be shived in the back w a knife than actually think for yourselves and stand up to this shit. PATHETIC!
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"fine...but but but.. did you see my thread on Obama spending time tying his show"
Obama treats blacks like utter shit and you clowns NEVER say a word because race trumps everything. Fucking sad. Obama is dstroying black wealth and opportunity and you fools keep asking for more more more.
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your stupidity comes from failing to address the fact that Bush set the precedent for the type of action that Obama has now taken. Feel free to show anywhere on this thread or anywhere where I've said I agree or condone the actions taken by Obama on this issue
It doesn't matter what precedent was set by Bush. Obama was billed as the beginning of CHANGING the political culture. There would no longer be any "business as usual" in Washington D.C. They were going to drain the swamp of any corruption. Wars would end. The president would bring together Congress and not govern from just one side of the aisle. Transparency would rule the day.
What happened to all of that? And your answer is "Bush did it too". Again. YOU ARE A VERY STUPID INDIVIDUAL.
CHANGE? HEHEHEEHEHEH!!! You nitwits were fooled.
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It doesn't matter what precedent was set by Bush. Obama was billed as the beginning of CHANGING the political culture. There would no longer be any "business as usual" in Washington D.C. They were going to drain the swamp of any corruption. Wars would end. The president would bring together Congress and not govern from just one side of the aisle. Transparency would rule the day.
What happened to all of that? And your answer is "Bush did it too". Again. YOU ARE A VERY STUPID INDIVIDUAL.
CHANGE? HEHEHEEHEHEH!!! You nitwits were fooled.
Bush was supposed to be the worst potus of all time, and the best Team Kenya can do is say "Bush did it too" speaks volumes no?
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It doesn't matter what precedent was set by Bush. Obama was billed as the beginning of CHANGING the political culture. There would no longer be any "business as usual" in Washington D.C. They were going to drain the swamp of any corruption. Wars would end. The president would bring together Congress and not govern from just one side of the aisle. Transparency would rule the day.
What happened to all of that? And your answer is "Bush did it too". Again. YOU ARE A VERY STUPID INDIVIDUAL.
CHANGE? HEHEHEEHEHEH!!! You nitwits were fooled.
possibly the dumbest statement ever written on this board
are you delusional
do you think If Obama acted differently that the Repubs would just get on board with his ideals
back to the topic at hand - at this point I have not seen any proof that Obama has broken the law
If you know differently then you should contact your congressperson
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possibly the dumbest statement ever written on this board
are you delusional
do you think If Obama acted differently that the Repubs would just get on board with his ideals
back to the topic at hand - at this point I have not seen any proof that Obama has broken the law
If you know differently then you should contact your congressperson
Obama broke the law according to his own claims of last year.
You = FAIL
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Bush was supposed to be the worst potus of all time, and the best Team Kenya can do is say "Bush did it too" speaks volumes no?
DING. DING. DING!!!
It's hilarious to see this liberals make fools of themselves. All of the sudden they forgot that Obama was supposed to be the anti-Bush. That claim and the state of the economy (which was better than it is at this very moment) is what got him elected in 2008. The oceans were suppose to rise!!!! All wars were suppose to end!!!!! Everyone was supposed to come together!!! Gasoline price was supposed to drop and mortgages were going to get paid!!!! He was going to turn the economy around!!! He would lead, not rule!!!!
CHANGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Yeah, there was change. Change for the worst.
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Obama broke the law according to his own claims of last year.
You = FAIL
for the third or fourth time now
I don't know the specific action he took violates the law
regarding his statements - all he said is that he cannot change the law
did he change the law ?
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possibly the dumbest statement ever written on this board
are you delusional
Hey, moron. That is what Obama's supporters claimed. That is the message that he put forth when he stated that no longer was there going to be any special interests, lobbyists and that he would work with both parties. Pelosi said she would drain the swamp. I love how you did not address the issue that the Health Reform negotiations were going to be on C-SPAN AS OBAMA MENTIONED A BILLION TIMES DURING HIS CAMPAIGN IN 2008!!!
You are the one who is delusional. I didn't believe any of it which is why I voted for McCain.
I am repeating and reminding you WHAT OBAMA, HIS CAMPAIGN AND HIS SUPPORTERS STATED IN 2008. Don't attribute the stupidity of such statement to me, but rather to your god king.
You are without a doubt the dumbest history revisionist ever.
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Obama admitted twice last year that what he is doing is illegal and obama slaves like yourself, vince, andre, benny, blacken, etc refuse to hold him accountable because racial solidarity trumps everything above all else.
I love it too. Obama takes a dull knife across the throats of black america and you morons are too fucking sheepish to stand up to this.
Keep worshiping at the altar of obama - you idiots are signing your own death warrants. Hilarious and comical that you fools who worship a communist fraud would rather be shived in the back w a knife than actually think for yourselves and stand up to this shit. PATHETIC!
Um whatever...im not an obama supporter, ive said for the 10 millionth time, im not an obama supporter, that i am a ron paul but the repubs couldnt get it done. Way to go.
I for the life of me can undertand why you like to over look that point. You are like a horse with blinders on, even when proven different from what you think, you keep holding on to your thoughts. Ive said maybe 2000 times on this board that i dont support.. are you fucking stupid.. like for real... are you stupid. Can you answer that question. Are you a fuckin moron that ignores words in your face in black and white? So seriousy, are you stipid
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Hey, moron. That is what Obama's supporters claimed. That is the message that he put forth when he stated that no longer was there going to be any special interests, lobbyists and that he would work with both parties. Pelosi said she would drain the swamp. I love how you did not address the issue that the Health Reform negotiations were going to be on C-SPAN AS OBAMA MENTIONED A BILLION TIMES DURING HIS CAMPAIGN IN 2008!!!
You are the one who is delusional. I didn't believe any of it which is why I voted for McCain.
I am repeating and reminding you WHAT OBAMA, HIS CAMPAIGN AND HIS SUPPORTERS STATED IN 2008. Don't attribute the stupidity of such statement to me, but rather to your god king.
You are without a doubt the dumbest history revisionist ever.
LOL @ godking
dude you're all over the map with your ranting and raving
am I really supposed to take anything you say seriously
it seems like you just want to piss and moan and project your delusions on others
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LOL @ godking
dude you're all over the map with your ranting and raving
am I really supposed to take anything you say seriously
it seems like you just want to piss and moan and project your delusions on others
Obama does not project messianic delusions to you? "We are the ones we have been waiting for", "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the USA", "Obama is hovering over us sort of like god", "This is the moment when the rise of the oceans would begin to fall", etc etc
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Um whatever...im not an obama supporter, ive said for the 10 millionth time, im not an obama supporter, that i am a ron paul but the repubs couldnt get it done. Way to go.
I for the life of me can undertand why you like to over look that point. You are like a horse with blinders on, even when proven different from what you think, you keep holding on to your thoughts. Ive said maybe 2000 times on this board that i dont support.. are you fucking stupid.. like for real... are you stupid. Can you answer that question. Are you a fuckin moron that ignores words in your face in black and white? So seriousy, are you stipid
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If you don't support something as disastrous like this - than why sit silent and call on your reps to deal w this like many of us did when Jorge Arbusto tried the same shit?
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If you don't support something as disastrous like this - than why sit silent and call on your reps to deal w this like many of us did when Jorge Arbusto tried the same shit?
Did you call your congressman when the patriot act was signed?
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Did you call your congressman when the patriot act was signed?
Yes! I called w Harriet meyers, dubai ports, medicare part D, TARP, amnesty for illegals, etc. I resigned my RNC membership in 2005.
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Yes! I called w Harriet meyers, dubai ports, medicare part D, TARP, amnesty for illegals, etc. I resigned my RNC membership in 2005.
and when was the patriot act signed?
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and when was the patriot act signed?
What part of Yes did you not read dipshit?
Unlike the lock step, follow over the cliff democrats, many of us did try to reign Jorge Arbusto in.
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What part of Yes did you not read dipshit?
Unlike the lock step, follow over the cliff democrats, many of us did try to reign Jorge Arbusto in.
Yeah.. obviously you didnt read... the question is..... When was the patriot act signed?
You are the non reading dipshit
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Yeah.. obviously you didnt read... the question is..... When was the patriot act signed?
You are the non reading dipshit
Having hundreds of thousands of wetbacks running around the streets impacts me far more than the patriot act.
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Having hundreds of thousands of wetbacks running around the streets impacts me far more than the patriot act.
What are you talking about.,.i asked a simple question.
You were against the patriot act, we got that,
when exactly was the patriot act signed?
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What are you talking about.,.i asked a simple question.
You were against the patriot act, we got that,
when exactly was the patriot act signed?
right after 9/11 w the support of both parties overwhelmingly.
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right after 9/11 w the support of both parties overwhelmingly.
but you didnt support it tho.. and you went to the lengths of calling someone about it to complain (congressman or senator or some shit)
but in the same breath you say that bush's presidency was awesome...
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but you didnt support it tho.. and you went to the lengths of calling someone about it to complain (congressman or senator or some shit)
but in the same breath you say that bush's presidency was awesome...
I said most of his first term was ok and the second was a disaster. how you translate that into awesome I don't know.
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Mexican President Thanks Obama for Immigration Changes
2:02 PM, Jun 18, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mexican-president-thanks-obama-immigration-changes_647438.html
At a bilateral meeting in Los Cabos, Mexican president Felipe Calderón thanked President Obama for his Friday announcement not to prosecute young illegal immigrants:
I would like to thank personally, and on behalf of the Mexican nation, President Barack Obama for his valuable decision by executive order to give an opportunity for young people who were not born in the United States but who arrived in that great nation before they were 16 years of age, or who are studying in university, or who have served in the United States armed forces, for them not to be deported for at least a period of two years, so this is a clear and certain situation for them.
We believe that this is very just. It's a humanitarian action. And it's an unprecedented action in our opinion. And in this sense, Mr. President, we would like to thank you for the valor and courage that you had in implementing this action. I am sure that many, many families in the United States of America are thankful to you as well.
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A Nation of Paper, Not of Men
June 18, 2012 - 5:28 am - by Andrew C. McCarthy
In continuing the dramatic shift from American constitutional democracy to rule by executive fiat that has marked his tenure, President Barack Obama now claims that the illegal aliens, to whom he purports to grant what effectively is amnesty, are “Americans … in every single way but one — on paper.” That is false. They are not Americans under the only thing that matters, the thing the Obama administration has chanted like a mantra — while riding roughshod over – since its very first day in power: the rule of law.
The Constitution and congressional statutes are written on parchment. That is the only relevance of “paper” in this equation — as the “hard copy” of our social contract and of the laws enacted pursuant to it. Under the Constitution, Congress, not the president, is endowed with such a power: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Congress exercises this power by passing laws. Under the Constitution, which Obama took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend, and under the laws it is his duty to execute faithfully, illegal aliens — no matter how sympathetic their plight, no matter how blameless they may be for the illegality of their status — are not citizens of the United States. They are not Americans. Period. It is not “paper” that separates them from our body politic, it is the law, of which Obama is supposed to be servant, not master — as I argued in this September 2011 essay for The New Criterion: “The Ruler of Law — On ‘Justice’ in the Age of Obama.”
Nevertheless, immigration is only the context of the president’s latest usurpation. It is a critically important issue, yes, but the real gravity of what Obama has done lies not in the subject matter of his edict but in the authoritarian assumptions of its issuance. They transcend mere arrogance: the president proposes to eviscerate our constitutional system. He claims nothing less than the dictatorial power to pronounce what the law is. This usurpation, moreover, complements the dictatorial powers he has already claimed to enforce only the laws of his choosing and to use the police powers of his office to deprive the sovereign states and the people of their constitutional prerogatives and rights.
To be sure, a president has not only the authority but the duty to refrain from enforcing congressional statutes that violate the Constitution. Presidents are no less duty-bound in this regard than the federal courts, which are obliged to hold that such enactments are null and void when the question arises in litigation. That, however, is not what Obama is doing.
As John Yoo observes, there is no conceivable argument that the federal immigration laws are constitutionally suspect. Obama simply rejects them as a matter of policy preference. That itself is a blatant violation of his constitutional oath.
Lest we forget, the president of the United States is the only federal official required by the Constitution to swear, as a condition precedent to assuming the vast powers of his office, that he will “faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and … to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Nor ought we forget that every nominee to the Supreme Court and the office of attorney general is grilled by the Senate regarding his or her willingness to abide by and enforce those laws and precedents with which he or she, on policy grounds, disagrees. It is a bedrock principle that once the people’s representatives enact a law to which there is no plausible constitutional objection, government officials must honor that law — regardless of their personal views about it — unless and until it is repealed or amended through the process prescribed by the Constitution.
Nor can prosecutorial discretion remotely justify Obama’s gambit. Resources are finite. Practicality demands — and the law acknowledges — that good-faith judgments must be made by the Justice Department and other Executive Branch agencies regarding which violations of law are a priority to address and which may go unaddressed. President Obama, however, is not saying the Executive Branch lacks the resources to enforce the immigration laws. He is proclaiming that he chooses not to enforce them.
Moreover, he is not simply refraining from law enforcement. He is affirmatively obstructing the states from enforcing their sovereign right to police their territories. He furthermore proposes to confer positive benefits on a class of illegal aliens in order to legitimize their status, something it is in the power only of Congress to do and something which Congress — having considered the matter carefully, and having heard the objections of the American people — has specifically declined to do.
This is another instance of Obama’s brazen lack of regard for the system he is duty-bound to honor: He claims he cannot sit back and wait for Congress to act; but as he well knows, lawmakers have acted: They said “no.”
Obama is not merely failing to enforce the immigration laws. He is destroying the system on which our liberty depends, a system he swore to safeguard. This oath was a solemn one, of far greater consequence than, say, a pitcher’s oath to testify truthfully to Congress about steroid use — an incident over which the federal government has spent millions of taxpayer dollars in an effort to convict Roger Clemens of a felony, notwithstanding the utter absence of any federal interest in the integrity of professional baseball.
We are entitled to conclude Obama defrauded the American people in taking his oath of office. He prefaced the oath by unabashedly declaring his intention to “fundamentally transform the United States of America.” He followed the oath with a series of usurpations designed to do just that. This highlights another mendacious aspect of Obama’s pandering to the hard Left on illegal immigration and, symmetrically, on election fraud (the policing against which he similarly obstructs).
The president says the young illegal aliens he has in mind are “Americans” except on paper. But who is Obama to say what an American is? By his own self-heralding, he is here to transform the United States. His mantra is “change.” He has stacked his Justice Department and the rest of the Executive Branch sprawl with progressive operatives whose obsession is to transmogrify America culturally, economically, and politically — to alter our very nature. When Obama talks about someone being “an American” or something being one of “our values,” he is not talking about the America that is; he is invoking the authoritarian, collectivist, redistributionist, post-sovereign, transnational America of his design.
It ought not matter whether we agree or disagree with Obama’s policy objectives on immigration — or the glut of areas from the use of force to labor relations to state sovereignty to socialized medicine to debt to diet, etc., on which he presumes to dictate rather than honor the law. Our social compact as a body politic demands that policy objectives be pursued within a system of divided powers in which the prerogatives of the president and of the federal government are strictly limited. Obama rejects this bedrock principle. Therefore, we must reject him.
If he is not removed from office — and if, while he retains office, politically accountable actors at the federal and state level continue their feckless failure to use their constitutional muscle to block him and rein him in — this will no longer be America. Not even on paper.
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If you leftist communists desire a king so badly - move to cuba, venuzuela, or NK you freaks.
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The Immigration Ploy (Thomas Sowell)
Creators Syndicate ^ | June 19, 2012 | Thomas Sowell
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2012 4:08:53 PM by jazusamo
President Obama's latest political ploy — granting new "rights" out of thin air, by Executive Order, to illegal immigrants who claim that they were brought into the country when they were children — is all too typical of his short-run approach to the country's long-run problems.
Whatever the merits or demerits of the Obama immigration policy, his Executive Order is good only as long as he remains president, which may be only a matter of months after this year's election.
People cannot plan their lives on the basis of laws that can suddenly appear, and then suddenly disappear, in less than a year. To come forward today and claim the protection of the Obama Executive Order is to declare publicly and officially that your parents entered the country illegally. How that may be viewed by some later administration is anybody's guess.
Employers likewise cannot rely on policies that may be here today and gone tomorrow, whether these are temporary tax rates designed to look good at election time or temporary immigration policies that can backfire later if employers get accused of hiring illegal immigrants.
Why hire someone, and invest time and money in training them, if you may be forced to fire them before a year has passed?
Kicking the can down the road is one of the favorite exercises in Washington. But neither in the economy nor in their personal lives can people make plans and commitments on the basis of government policies that suddenly appear and suddenly disappear.
Like so many other Obama ploys, his immigration ploy is not meant to help the country, but to help Obama. This is all about getting the Hispanic vote this November.
The principle involved — keeping children from being hurt by actions over which they had no control — is one already advanced by Senator Marco Rubio, who may well end up as Governor Romney's vice-presidential running mate. The Obama Executive Order, which suddenly popped up like a rabbit out of a magician's hat, steals some of Senator Rubio's thunder, so it is clever politics.
But clever politics is what has gotten this country into so much trouble, not only as regards immigration but also as regards the economy and the dangerous international situation.
When the new, and perhaps short-lived, immigration policy is looked at in terms of how it can be administered, it makes even less sense. While this policy is rationalized in terms of children, those who invoke it are likely to do so as adults.
How do you check someone's claim that he was brought into the country illegally when he was a child? If Obama gets reelected, it is very unlikely that illegal immigrants will really have to prove anything. The administration can simply choose not to enforce that provision, as so many other immigration laws are unenforced in the Obama administration.
If Obama does not get reelected, then it may not matter anyway, when his Executive Order can be gone after he is gone.
Ultimately, it does not matter what immigration policy this country has, if it cannot control its own borders. Whoever wants to come, and who has the chutzpah, will come. And the fact that they come across the Mexican border does not mean that they are all Mexicans. They can just as easily be terrorists from the Middle East.
Only after the border is controlled can any immigration policy matter be seriously considered, and options weighed through the normal Constitutional process of Congressional hearings, debate and legislation, rather than by Presidential short-cuts.
Not only is border control fundamental, what is also fundamental is the principle that immigration policy does not exist to accommodate foreigners but to protect Americans — and the American culture that has made this the world's richest, freest and most powerful nation for more than a century.
No nation can absorb unlimited numbers of people from another culture without jeopardizing its own culture. In the 19th and early 20th century, America could absorb millions of immigrants who came here to become Americans. But the situation is entirely different today, when group separatism, resentment and polarization are being promoted by both the education system and politicians.
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Obama's move on immigration is an unconstitutional disaster for the unemployed
By Roy Beck, Monday, June 18, 2012, 9:03 AM EDT
President Obama thwarted the will of Congress and shunned the 20 million under-employed and unemployed Americans by announcing he will grant work permits to 2 million to 3 million illegal immigrants.
This appears to be an unconstitutional fiat that not only usurps congressional authority to set immigration policy but directly contradicts what Congress has already decided. The president suggests that his new policy is designed to enact as much of the DREAM Act amnesty as possible because Congress hasn't acted on its own. But Congress indeed has acted -- three times in votes that rejected granting these illegal aliens the legal residency and work permits that the president now says he will deal out all by himself.
(This blog also ran as an op-ed on FoxNews.com.)
This is a knee-jerk response to pro-amnesty interest groups that have attacked Mr. Obama with an intense, well-funded public relations campaign urging him essentially to nullify congressional immigration laws because supporters of amnesty know that the elected representatives of the American people won't approve amnesties any more. Until today, the president had said that he couldn't just overturn immigration laws on his own. His capitulation may provide a short-term political payoff among some special interest groups but in the long term will feed the perception that he is much more interested in currying favor among narrow interest groups than addressing the needs of the massive ranks of the unemployed.
The unavoidable fact is that Mr. Obama's announced executive amnesty will increase the supply of legal workers to compete for jobs with the 20 million Americans who can't find a job or have been forced into part-time work. The president may think he can repeal the laws of Congress but he can't repeal the law of supply and demand.
And the increase in the labor supply will not be small. Most news reports at first suggested that around 800,000 illegal aliens would benefit from the president's offer of job permits. But that is a misinterpretation of estimates in 2010 about the effect of the DREAM Act amnesty that the lame duck Senate defeated. There were nearly 2 million illegal aliens who could qualify for the provisional part of the amnesty because they were in high school, in college or had already graduated from college. But only about 800,000 were expected to actually end up as college graduates and qualify for the permanent amnesty. Because the new Obama amnesty would not require college graduation, the 800,000 figure is no longer valid. All 2 million would qualify. In addition, the Obama amnesty would not require a person to even go to college which would add hundreds of thousands more illegal aliens to the beneficiary list.
When the president announced his new more lenient directive last summer for people who would have benefited from the DREAM amnesty, he was skating close to the legal line but probably not over it because Congress indeed has given presidents prosecutorial discretion in whether to go through the effort to deport an illegal immigrant. It also has given presidents the ability to provide temporary work permits to illegal aliens in special circumstances.
But President Obama has moved into frightening new territory with his new announcement because he has taken discretion away from his law enforcement agents and now appears to require them to grant this presence amnesty and jobs amnesty in massive numbers never intended or anticipated by Congress. And it is the jobs promise that is the most insulting and insensitive to the most vulnerable members of our national community.
The most vulnerable Americans are disproportionately black and Hispanic Americans, two voting blocs the president is counting on for his re-election. Yet, these two groups with exceptionally high unemployment among young adults are the ones who will have to compete most directly with the millions of illegal aliens that the president intends to add to the labor force.
What Mr. Obama – and all the Members of Congress proposing their own versions of a DREAM amnesty -- miss is that young illegal aliens aren't the only ones having a hard time. The country is full of American victims of this economy. The latter should not be re-victimized by efforts to help the former.
The Republican leadership in Congress may bear considerable responsibility for Mr. Obama's latest power grab. It has stood by terrified to tackle immigration priorities the last two years.. Speaker John Boehner and his team are currently center stage in blocking a mandatory E-Verify bill that would provide employment for millions of Americans by moving illegal immigrants from the very construction, hospitality, manufacturing, service and transportation jobs sought by most unemployed U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. Republican leaders have allowed Pres. Obama to ignore and modify congressional immigration laws so consistently that it isn't surprising that he thinks he can get by with this huge new executive amnesty. Perhaps this latest pandering by the president will finally move them to action to stand up for the 20 million Americans who can't find a full-time job.
ROY BECK is the CEO & Founder of NumbersUSA
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/june-18-2012/obamas-move-immigration-unconstitutional-disaster-unemployed.html
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Allen West on Obama: 'The Resurrection of an Imperial Presidency'
Weekly Standard ^ | 5/18/12 | DANIEL HALPER
Posted on June 18, 2012 9:40:11 PM EDT by Libloather
Allen West on Obama: 'The Resurrection of an Imperial Presidency'
1:21 PM, Jun 18, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER
Speaking this morning to talk radio host Laura Ingraham, Florida congressman Allen West, a Republican, blasted President Obama's immigration plan to use prosecutorial discretion not to go after young immigrants who came to the United States illegally. Obama announced his new immigration plan on Friday.
"What country did we wake up in on Friday?," West asked. "It just causes people to ask, where are we? You know, the last time we had this was with King George III, and we didn't like it too much. And I think that you’re seeing the resurrection of an imperial presidency, and the arrogance thereof. To think that you can come out and basically tell the American people that this is what we're going to do ... and don't question me."
The big hold up for West seems to be Obama's decision to bypass Congress and the law of the land. "America is not about ruling by verbal edict or just whims; the president has been elected to enforce the laws of this country. And he doesn't get to pick which laws he likes or dislikes. And I find it very perplexing and ironic that when he had control of the House and Senate, this did not seem like a very important issue."
West continued:
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Obama Campaign Sends ‘Dreamers’ Fundraising Email Hours after Amnesty Announcement
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-campaign-sends-dreamers-fundraising-email-hours-after-amnesty-announcement ^
Posted on June 18, 2012 9:39:39 PM EDT by chessplayer
(CNSNews.com) – Seven hours after President Barack Obama announced that some illegal aliens would be allowed to stay in the United States and could be allowed to work here, Katherine Archuleta, Obama’s national campaign director, e-mailed a fundraising letter seeking donations to his re-election effort.
The e-mail, with the subject line “wonderful news,” contains links to the website, where visitors can listen to Obama’s speech on immigration he gave at 2:08 p.m. on Friday in the White House Rose Garden.
The letter said that Obama has been trying “for years” to get Congress to act on immigration reform.
“They haven't,” the letter states. “So he did.”
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Just like gay marriage, it's all about cash for Ghettobama
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Top Immigration Enforcement Official Arrested After Allegedly Hiring Illegal Aliens
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/top-immigration-enforcement-official-arrested-after-allegedly-hiring-illegal-aliens ^
Posted on June 18, 2012 9:49:43 PM EDT by chessplayer
Boston - A top Homeland Security official in Boston has been accused of repeatedly hiring illegal immigrants to clean her home.
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Obama's Backdoor Amnesty Overreach Just Par for His Course
Townhall.com ^ | June 19, 2012 | David Limbaugh
As disturbing as was President Obama's lawless usurpation of constitutional authority in circumventing the DREAM Act to grant backdoor amnesty, this type of overreach is nothing new for him.
He has frequently complained about how democracy and the Constitution are "messy" and do not permit him to exercise the authority of a Chinese president. But he nevertheless warned us that he would be pushing forward with his agenda through executive orders and administrative actions "on a wide range of fronts."
But he has outdone himself this time, even going beyond limitations he freely recognized not long ago, when he complained that he didn't have the authority to impose his immigration policy wish list. Perhaps recent polling numbers showing him trailing Mitt Romney have increased his desperation.
His frontal assaults on the Constitution are so brazen now it's hard not to conclude that he was willing to take a calculated risk that his excesses would offend fewer rule of law sticklers than they would attract Hispanic voters.
A few people emailed and tweeted me and said they bet I was disappointed my new book, "The Great Destroyer," had already gone to print so that I couldn't include this latest example of Obama's destructive behavior.
To the contrary, I told my well-wishers, I had in fact included this backdoor amnesty stunt in the introduction to the book (pages 6-7), saying Obama had already been considering it. I told you the book was timely -- and comprehensive.
Let me give you some other examples of Obama's recurring pattern of executive encroachment on the legislative branch, which, taken together, will demonstrative why many of us are so concerned with these assaults on the Constitution, as well as Obama's destructive swath against our nation's financial health, our national security, our values, our economy, our oil and a host of other things.
His administration deceived Congress and the public in reporting that the Comprehensive Review Working Group survey revealed that our military rank and file supported the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," before the service members had even been questioned.
It took steps to shut down the Yucca Mountain nuclear storage facility, in which Congress had already invested $12 billion, without securing an alternative site -- the decision being based solely on policy reasons, not science.
While Obama pretended to be against -- he later "evolved" -- same-sex marriage, his administration unilaterally denounced the Defense of Marriage Act and said it would not defend it in court.
The administration granted waivers to certain states from the No Child Left Behind Act's math proficiency requirements, on the condition that these states impose its education policies. Outrageous.
It submitted a report to the United Nations Human Rights Council that sounded like a liberal policy screed, in which it strongly criticized America's "discriminatory" record against the LGBT community and minorities. It even offered up for review and critique Arizona's immigration law, an effort to allow an international body consisting of many notorious human rights-abusing and America-hating nations to pass judgment on our sovereign state. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer was rightly incensed.
Obama unilaterally crammed down a restructuring of the automakers, in which he forced secured creditors to receive far less and enabled his unsecured union creditor friends to receive far more than the law provided. The administration disproportionately allowed minority- and female-owned dealerships to retain their businesses. And, as everyone now realizes, the Justice Department dismissed an already won case against New Black Panther Party members for voter intimidation, which DOJ insiders informed us was based on an unwritten policy forbidding the pursuit of such cases involving black perpetrators against white victims.
Though only 12 percent of employees are union members, the administration granted the majority of its 1,231 Obamacare waivers to plans run by labor unions.
Then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates was furious that the administration, in its shameless PR orgy following the Osama bin Laden raid, had leaked vital national security information that could put our troops at risk.
The Department of Justice has repeatedly refused to release the majority of "Fast and Furious" documents to congressional investigators, in flagrant contempt of Congress.
The administration pressured Solyndra to delay layoffs until after the November 2010 elections so as to avoid political damage, costing taxpayers an additional $40 million.
When a federal judge lifted the administration's offshore drilling ban, the administration just slightly rewrote it and re-implemented the ban, in defiance of the court. Administration officials also doctored a report from experts to deceitfully downplay the economic damage that would result from the drilling moratorium and overstate the environmental risk that would result from lifting the ban.
I'm just getting warmed up, but it suffices to say that it's past time for Democratic lawmakers to join with Republicans in defending our Constitution and our liberties against this rogue president.
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now, the question is- how will romney respond.
we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill. I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(
Obama played ROmney on this one. Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill. too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway. WTF.
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now, the question is- how will romney respond.
we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill. I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(
Obama played ROmney on this one. Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill. too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway. WTF.
4 days to respond? And the repub wants you to think it was easy ordering the OBL raid LOL?
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now, the question is- how will romney respond.
we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill. I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(
Obama played ROmney on this one. Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill. too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway. WTF.
So obama brazenly breaks the law and the best you piece of shit obamabots can do is turn it to romney?
180 - I am being dead serious - you have turned into a pathetic fucking troll of the worst order and a perfect example of the peggy's, julio's, and sycophantic lemmings crying at obama's rallys.
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So obama brazenly breaks the law and the best you piece of shit obamabots can do is turn it to romney?
180 - I am being dead serious - you have turned into a pathetic fucking troll of the worst order and a perfect example of the peggy's, julio's, and sycophantic lemmings crying at obama's rallys.
33, take a breath here - I completely agree the DREAM exec order is garbage, it's illegal and should be repealed on minute fucking 1 of a Romney presidency. I"m just pissed that he doesn't agree with me ;) I've bitched about DREAM for 3 years now, probably louder than you have. It's crap. I've been saying for a decade that Id break the knee of every illegal and drop them at south points of mexico and let them try to limp back, making them easier to ID the next time around.
So please, don't call me a kneepadder - this order is straight fucking illegal. But why the holy hell won't romney say it's garbage and he'll end it? He says it about obamacare (and he is right) - so why is romney hispandering here? And if you ADMIT romney is hispandering, how is he any better than obama?
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The president is not the king
By U-T San Diego Editorial Staff
6 p.m., June 17, 2012
This editorial page has long supported smarter, forward-thinking immigration policies such as those ordered by the Obama administration Friday. Under the order – if it survives certain legal challenges – illegal immigrants will be allowed to live and work in the United States without fear of deportation if they came here before they were 16, are younger than 30, have lived here for five years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or served in the military.
However, this editorial page has also long held that there are constitutional limits on the power of the president. This led us to criticize George W. Bush’s extremist view that the president has nearly unlimited powers during war and to hail a 2004 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that said “a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation’s citizens.”
We lamented the Bush administration’s belief that it could it indefinitely detain anyone it wanted, including Americans, without judicial review, and noted the high court had held this was contrary to “the essence of a free society.”
Before reaching the White House, Barack Obama voiced similar concerns. He even signed a pledge that emphasized the limits on executive authority: “We are Americans, and in our America we do not torture, we do not imprison people without charge or legal remedy, we do not tap people’s phones and emails without court order, and above all we do not give any president unchecked power.”
But this is not remotely how Obama has governed. His administration unilaterally rewrote the immense, complex No Child Left Behind education law – landmark legislation crafted after a year of bipartisan wrangling between President Bush and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. The administration also asserts authority to kill suspected terrorists anywhere, including American citizens, without anything resembling legitimate due process. And now it asserts authority to unilaterally rewrite U.S. immigration policy – even though just last year, the president said it was “just not true” that he could make sweeping changes without congressional approval.
These actions come in a polarized political climate in which a main theme of the White House is that it could get so much done if only Congress wasn’t obstructionist. But many presidents have had to govern with Congresses that balked at their initiatives. And Obama, who taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, knows that the founding fathers crafted a government with a separation of powers among the executive, judicial and legislative branches so that a president could not govern as if he were a king, above the law.
Those who welcome Obama governing by fiat should think about the precedent. How would they feel if on Jan. 20, 2013, President Mitt Romney repealed Democrats’ hard-earned health care reform law – with an executive order? Based on the Obama administration’s conception of executive authority, that would be within his power.
Everyone who thinks about this issue should consider what might result if a president with views they didn’t like had the sort of unchecked power asserted by the present chief executive. The acceptability of an imperial presidency then quickly recedes.
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Thanks Obama! Mexican illegals plan family reunions at last
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 6/18/12 | Simon Gardner and Ioan Grillo - Reuters
IXMIQUILPAN, Mexico (Reuters) - Seamstress Paulina Gutierrez, an ethnic Otomi Indian, prayed every day for years for a miracle to reunite her with her two sons, who were smuggled into the United States as children and have lived in permanent fear of deportation back to Mexico.
Now, thanks to a major immigration policy shift by U.S. President Barack Obama, she can barely contain her excitement at the prospect of once again hugging her two boys - and two grandchildren she has never met.
Without papers to get back into the United States, Gutierrez' sons cannot visit her in Mexico. She says at 58 she is too old to creep back across the U.S. border with human smugglers, or "coyotes." So she has not seen them since returning to Mexico in 2007.
Sitting on a plastic chair in her humble provisions store on the outskirts of the heavily migrant city of Ixmiquilpan, 95 miles north of Mexico City, her eyes well with tears as she recalls making the heart-wrenching decision to leave her sons and husband behind in the United States.
She had to return to Mexico to look after her ailing parents.
So Obama's order on Friday allowing young undocumented immigrants to stay legally and work as long as they meet a series of conditions was a godsend for her.
It is also a major victory for President Felipe Calderon, who had all but given up on winning improved terms for Mexico's massive migrant population after the September 11, 2001, attacks relegated the issue to the back burner and shifted the U.S. focus to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Obama probably was forced to do this to continue the coverup of Fast and Furious and to please Calderone who is still seathing over the 300+ deaths as a result of obama's treason.
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The president groveling for votes at the expense of the American citizen and the law. Pathetic.
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All Hail Emperor Obama
Townhall.com ^ | June 19, 2012 | Cal Thomas
"This notion I can somehow just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively, but fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true." -- Barack Obama, September 2011
President Obama is no longer president in the constitutional sense. He appears to have elevated himself to the role of emperor, deciding unilaterally what should be the law and what should not, bypassing Congress and placing himself in the role of Julius Caesar.
First it was the revelation that he has a "hit list" from which he alone decides who lives and who dies by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen.
With last Friday's announcement that he intends to effectively grant amnesty to a category of illegal aliens, according to criteria he has set -- their age, a spotless criminal record, a minimum level of education, and/or military service -- the president has technically, possibly deliberately and it can be argued illegally, violated his oath of office in which he swore to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" so help him God. Whose help does the president seek when he acts as if he is God?
The Constitution empowers Congress, not the president, to make laws, but President Obama has bypassed that body to become a Congress of one and a law unto himself.
The president has announced his administration won't enforce a law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton -- the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- because he believes it is unconstitutional. But he will craft his own immigration policy -- given that the Dream Act is still in limbo -- by immediately halting the deportation of and giving work permits to illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children. So not only is he president; Emperor Obama has usurped the power of Congress and the Supreme Court.
In an age of political pandering, this crass appeal for Hispanic votes has to rank near the top of anyone's list. While the Washington Post fixates on the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in and recalls Richard Nixon's disdain for the Constitution, there is silence about this president's similar disregard for that document's constraints on executive power.
Official unemployment for American citizens remains above 8 percent. Now, 800,000 noncitizens can work legally, in some cases for lower wages, thus robbing some citizens of what should be their priority place in the job line. Will those newly enfranchised noncitizens who can't find work get food stamps and welfare checks drawn on borrowed money from China? You know they will. That is part of the president's vote-buying contract.
The Obama re-election team apparently has calculated that every vote lost by an angry unemployed American citizen will be made up for with votes from Hispanics and result in a net plus for the president. That is a dangerous gamble, especially since it assumes Hispanics who are legal citizens, or legal residents, will applaud those who violated laws they had to obey when they came to America.
If a Republican president behaved in such a cavalier manner toward Congress and the Constitution he would be impeached. Again, consider Nixon and Watergate.
The president's appeal, he maintains, is about "fairness" and other notions that have nothing to do with the law. There is a constitutional and legal way to regulate people who are "undocumented." It is through Congress, which made the laws illegals have violated. The decree of a president who unilaterally and unconstitutionally decides which laws he will uphold, in the case of DOMA, and which laws he will create, in the case of illegal aliens, in order to cynically pander for Hispanic votes, is how dictators rule.
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The president groveling for votes at the expense of the American citizen and the law. Pathetic.
Romney being a spineless little bitch for not speaking out against it. Oh wait Romney is a sell out too for votes.
Our future is so bright I need a head lamp.
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Romney being a spineless little bitch for not speaking out against it. Oh wait Romney is a sell out too for votes.
Our future is so bright I need a head lamp.
getbiggers are actually criticizing Obama WAY more than ROmney is. how silly is that?
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getbiggers are actually criticizing Obama WAY more than ROmney is. how silly is that?
Tool is, tool does.
Obama doing something like that is a given but Romney not making a stand about it is a tragedy of our system.
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All Hail Emperor Obama
Townhall.com ^ | June 19, 2012 | Cal Thomas
"This notion I can somehow just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively, but fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true." -- Barack Obama, September 2011
President Obama is no longer president in the constitutional sense. He appears to have elevated himself to the role of emperor, deciding unilaterally what should be the law and what should not, bypassing Congress and placing himself in the role of Julius Caesar.
First it was the revelation that he has a "hit list" from which he alone decides who lives and who dies by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen.
With last Friday's announcement that he intends to effectively grant amnesty to a category of illegal aliens, according to criteria he has set -- their age, a spotless criminal record, a minimum level of education, and/or military service -- the president has technically, possibly deliberately and it can be argued illegally, violated his oath of office in which he swore to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" so help him God. Whose help does the president seek when he acts as if he is God?
The Constitution empowers Congress, not the president, to make laws, but President Obama has bypassed that body to become a Congress of one and a law unto himself.
The president has announced his administration won't enforce a law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton -- the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- because he believes it is unconstitutional. But he will craft his own immigration policy -- given that the Dream Act is still in limbo -- by immediately halting the deportation of and giving work permits to illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children. So not only is he president; Emperor Obama has usurped the power of Congress and the Supreme Court.
In an age of political pandering, this crass appeal for Hispanic votes has to rank near the top of anyone's list. While the Washington Post fixates on the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in and recalls Richard Nixon's disdain for the Constitution, there is silence about this president's similar disregard for that document's constraints on executive power.
Official unemployment for American citizens remains above 8 percent. Now, 800,000 noncitizens can work legally, in some cases for lower wages, thus robbing some citizens of what should be their priority place in the job line. Will those newly enfranchised noncitizens who can't find work get food stamps and welfare checks drawn on borrowed money from China? You know they will. That is part of the president's vote-buying contract.
The Obama re-election team apparently has calculated that every vote lost by an angry unemployed American citizen will be made up for with votes from Hispanics and result in a net plus for the president. That is a dangerous gamble, especially since it assumes Hispanics who are legal citizens, or legal residents, will applaud those who violated laws they had to obey when they came to America.
If a Republican president behaved in such a cavalier manner toward Congress and the Constitution he would be impeached. Again, consider Nixon and Watergate.
The president's appeal, he maintains, is about "fairness" and other notions that have nothing to do with the law. There is a constitutional and legal way to regulate people who are "undocumented." It is through Congress, which made the laws illegals have violated. The decree of a president who unilaterally and unconstitutionally decides which laws he will uphold, in the case of DOMA, and which laws he will create, in the case of illegal aliens, in order to cynically pander for Hispanic votes, is how dictators rule.
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Romney doesn't have to give a knee jerk response. He needs to give the right response.
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Tool is, tool does.
Obama doing something like that is a given but Romney not making a stand about it is a tragedy of our system.
Romney is afraid.
The same way he was afraid during the debates.
Romney KNOWS he can't win the presidency by being a strong leader, an inspiring beacon of hope, a trendsetter, or by rattling cages and changing the system.
Romney is simply a DEFAULT candidate. Appear competent and let the other guy suck so bad the job becomes yours. Romny wants NOTHING more than for this issue to just go away.
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Romney doesn't have to give a knee jerk response. He needs to give the right response.
No, but he needs to react a little faster than the 120 hours that have passed so far.
When he's president, he will have to make the right decisions, and do it fast. He's hiding behind "run a bunch of polls and talk to party elders to come to a consensus".
Instead, he sohuld be doing what it freaking RIGHT - and saying he'll repeal this illegal-ass bill the minute he takes the oath!
he's a wimp. period. Obama sucks balls, but he's willing to take a position. weak romney is scared here.
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Tool is, tool does.
Obama doing something like that is a given but Romney not making a stand about it is a tragedy of our system.
It's called hispandering for votes.
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It's called hispandering for votes.
so you're saying both romney and obama - both of them - are spineless cowards begging hispanics for votes?
The only problem is that obama is honest about it - he has begged for the DREAM act for 3 years. Romney is fake about it - he said for 3 years he'd repeal it if passed by congress, but now he won't even repeal it when passed illegally with exec order?
They're both wimps, but obama claims to support the position. Romney scared to support anything.
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Tool is, tool does.
Obama doing something like that is a given but Romney not making a stand about it is a tragedy of our system.
On this issue, this one game, Obama's move was a check mate. You can blame Romney and the GOP for not being ready for this possiblility but Obama put Romney in a spot doing this where he is screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't. Politically it was brilliant. I hate Romney but I can't be pissed at him for being out manuevered and cornered with not much to do about it lol... They should take a lesson from this because if they can't, they'll get played like this again...
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On this issue, this one game, Obama's move was a check mate. You can blame Romney and the GOP for not being ready for this possiblility but Obama put Romney in a spot doing this where he is screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't. Politically it was brilliant. I hate Romney but I can't be pissed at him for being out manuevered and cornered with not much to do about it lol... They should take a lesson from this because if they can't, they'll get played like this again...
how do you feel this move affects Rubio? Does he go from the innovative one that would bring latino vote, to just another 'me too!" guy?
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Considering Obama said last year TWICE thatwhat he did on Friday was illegal and against the law, how can you blame anyone for acting surprised at this?
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how do you feel this move affects Rubio? Does he go from the innovative one that would bring latino vote, to just another 'me too!" guy?
He was part of the hammer they were getting ready to crush Obama with. Obama just snapped his fingers and turned that hammer into a toothpick. I don't personally agree with what Obama did, but politically, it was brilliant and timed perfect despite what 3333 says.
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No, but he needs to react a little faster than the 120 hours that have passed so far.
When he's president, he will have to make the right decisions, and do it fast. He's hiding behind "run a bunch of polls and talk to party elders to come to a consensus".
Instead, he sohuld be doing what it freaking RIGHT - and saying he'll repeal this illegal-ass bill the minute he takes the oath!
he's a wimp. period. Obama sucks balls, but he's willing to take a position. weak romney is scared here.
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Haha @ my post about 240 getting deleted.
The guy sounds like a little bitch. "Waah, they're picking on Obama more than Romney!"
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fact is that Obama said that doing what he did on Friday was illegal TWICE!
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On this issue, this one game, Obama's move was a check mate. You can blame Romney and the GOP for not being ready for this possiblility but Obama put Romney in a spot doing this where he is screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't. Politically it was brilliant. I hate Romney but I can't be pissed at him for being out manuevered and cornered with not much to do about it lol... They should take a lesson from this because if they can't, they'll get played like this again...
I agree, it seems like OB is out witting the GOP and they are in a reaction mode. but my anger stems from out politics being dominated by politicians not leaders.
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It's called hispandering for votes.
Point OB on this one.
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Romney doesn't have to give a knee jerk response. He needs to give the right response.
What's the right response?
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On Friday, President Obama once again displayed his utter contempt for Congress and the rule of law by unilaterally announcing that his administration would no longer deport up to 800,000 illegal immigrants who arrived in this country at a young age.
Along with his pledge to stop deportations, the President announced that these illegal immigrants would be able to apply for work permits.
This new policy was hailed by Democrats such U.S. Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), who admitted that the decision did “go around the legislative process. “ In an interview, Gutierrez gushed that the pronouncement was supported by the “majority” of Americans and that the President was finally starting to act like “the Barack Obama we voted for.”
Gutierrez must have observed an alternate reality in 2008. In that presidential campaign, Barack Obama played the role of fiscal conservative, blasting President Bush’s deficit spending. He adopted the “hope and change” theme and promised to bring Americans together. After his election, Obama ditched the lofty rhetoric and began pursuing a radical course of government expansion, deficit spending and class warfare. Under Obama’s leadership, the national debt has exploded by more than $5 trillion. His conflict-ridden administration regularly engages in racially divisive initiatives which foment conflict not cooperation.
If Americans understood Obama’s radical agenda, he would have never won the presidency. His immigration decision follows a clear path of divisive policies which have characterized his administration. According to David Schweikert (R-AZ), Obama decided to “grant amnesty and hand out work permits to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, while over 23 million Americans remain unemployed and the civilian participation rate is at a 30-year low. This amounts to an abdication of duty to the American people who are struggling in this economy. Instead of working with Congress to secure our border and reform our immigration policy, President Obama sought to circumvent Congress once again."
The President’s new policy will surely upset unemployed Americans who are looking for jobs and will now face increased competition from illegal aliens with work permits and no fear of deportation. "The White House decree is bad for America. It is unconscionable for the White House to pit unemployed Americans against illegal aliens in a competition for scarce jobs," said U.S. Congressman Mo Brooks (R-AL).
The 23 million out of work Americans must realize that Obama’s only answer to their problems is to extend their unemployment benefits. He certainly has not been able to create more jobs in this economy and his administration will be the first to show an overall decline in employment during a term in office. According to the Fact Check website, there has been an overall loss of 552,000 jobs during the Obama administration.
Because of his concerns about the legislation, Schweikert is proposing a bill in Congress that will prevent implementation of the President’s policy. In Schweikert’s view, Obama is “dictating” on this issue and Congress needs to take action. As noted by many Republicans, immigration laws have historically been drafted by Congress, not the President.
Of course, the real motivation for President Obama’s bold proclamation is to win re-election. He realizes that this de-facto “amnesty” decision will please the majority of Latino voters, the largest minority population in the United States.
The President waited until five months before re-election to announce this policy. He did not seek such legislation when Democrats controlled Congress during the first two years of his administration; he delayed the initiative until it had the maximum political impact.
If enacted, Obama’s policies will be damaging as selective enforcement of immigration laws will set a very bad precedent in our country. It will only further deteriorate any type of national resolve to reduce the number of illegal aliens.
This new policy continues a disturbing trend in the Obama administration in which decisions are made without congressional input or approval. Whether the issue is gay marriage, the defense of marriage act, implementation of the healthcare bill, drug enforcement, Internet gambling, or educational testing, the Obama administration acts as though Congress is irrelevant.
As President Obama chooses which immigration laws to follow, his Justice Department is taking legal action against states such as Alabama and Arizona which are trying to curtail the flow of illegal aliens into their state. Attorney General Eric Holder believes that the new immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama violate the civil rights of illegal immigrants.
If unemployed Americans are upset about the administration’s efforts to retain and secure work permits for illegal aliens, there is a clear option available to them on November 6, 2012, add another person to the unemployment rolls, Barack Obama.
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Jeff Crouere is a native of New Orleans, LA and he is the host of a Louisiana based program, “Ringside Politics,” which airs at 7:30 p.m. Fri. and 10:00 p.m. Sun. on WLAE-TV 32, a PBS station, and 7 till 11 a.m.weekdays on WGSO 990 AM in New Orleans and the Northshore. For more information, visit his web site at www.ringsidepolitics.com . E-mail him at jeff@ringsidepolitics.com.
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He was part of the hammer they were getting ready to crush Obama with. Obama just snapped his fingers and turned that hammer into a toothpick. I don't personally agree with what Obama did, but politically, it was brilliant and timed perfect despite what 3333 says.
Did you see romney's response today?
He admits he is vetting Rubio for veep. So sad. He doesn't know what to do about this bill. But he's trying to fight for those hispanic votes with this flirt.
They're both playing all-out politics. I love it. It's about time. But none of you getbiggers should sit on a high horse and say the other guy is the only one hispandering, the only one being a weak little bitch, playing games with US policy to win over a certain group.
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On Friday, President Obama once again displayed his utter contempt for Congress and the rule of law by unilaterally announcing that his administration would no longer deport up to 800,000 illegal immigrants who arrived in this country at a young age.
I love blatant spin. lol
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Did you see romney's response today?
He admits he is vetting Rubio for veep. So sad. He doesn't know what to do about this bill. But he's trying to fight for those hispanic votes with this flirt.
They're both playing all-out politics. I love it. It's about time. But none of you getbiggers should sit on a high horse and say the other guy is the only one hispandering, the only one being a weak little bitch, playing games with US policy to win over a certain group.
The only thing sad is Obama drones applauding lawless behavior.
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I love blatant spin. lol
Hey moron , yes you are a moron of the highest order, Obama said TWICE last year that what he did on Friday was illegal and unconstitutional.
So fuck off Obama bot.
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The only thing sad is Obama drones applauding lawless behavior.
I hope youre not calling me here. I call it an outright illegal bill which should be repealed on Jan 20, 2013.
Unfortunately, Romney doesn't have the minerals to admit the same.
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Jose Vargas: Obama's immigration policy has created 'a new normal' (He's an illegal!)
MSNBC's The Ed Show ^ | June 19, 2012 | Jordan Michael Smith
Posted on June 19, 2012 10:24:42 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Just days after President Obama inaugurated his new immigration policy, "there is a new normal when it comes to talking about immigration," said Jose Antonio Vargas. "There is a notable shift in the way our country and our politicians are talking about it," he said on Tuesday's episode of The Ed Show. "And I welcome that."
A whole generation "now thinks the Republican Party is synonymous with being the anti-immigrant party," said Vargas, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who outed himself as an illegal immigrant last year...
(Excerpt) Read more at leanforward.msnbc.msn.co m ...
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I hope youre not calling me here. I call it an outright illegal bill which should be repealed on Jan 20, 2013.
Unfortunately, Romney doesn't have the minerals to admit the same.
Why have you ignored Gigantor's post on this topic? Is it because he slapped the taste out of your mouth with it and in one post managed to destroy the dozens you've logged in the last few days about it?
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Hey moron , yes you are a moron of the highest order, Obama said TWICE last year that what he did on Friday was illegal and unconstitutional.
So fuck off Obama bot.
What does what he said two years ago have to do with the fact congress has nothing to do with this and it's with in OB power to what he did?
Try and keep up and not be such a tool sometimes you dumb ass lol
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What does what he said two years ago have to do with the fact congress has nothing to do with this and it's with in OB power to what he did?
Try and keep up and not be such a tool sometimes you dumb ass lol
He said this last year TWICE!
and congress did not approve it! Obama, your king and messiah, does not automatically get whatever he wants under the USC.
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He said this last year TWICE!
and congress did not approve it! Obama, your king and messiah, does not automatically get whatever he wants under the USC.
you are not making any sense again.
Unless congress passes a law OB can modify deportation anyway he likes.
But go ahead ans SUCK the SPIN COCK some more. Remember your savior Romney will get jealous at some point.
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you are not making any sense again.
Unless congress passes a law OB can modify deportation anyway he likes.
But go ahead ans SUCK the SPIN COCK some more. Remember your savior Romney will get jealous at some point.
No he can't. Again, you are ignorant and illiterate in this. Obama does not get to create new classes of people who can stay and get visas.
did you go to public school?
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No he can't. Again, you are ignorant and illiterate in this. Obama does not get to create new classes of people who can stay and get visas.
did you go to public school?
Looks like he just did saved them from deportation. have you read the news lately?
Or have you been sucking on the S.C. too much?
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Looks like he just did saved them from deportation. have you read the news lately?
Or have you been sucking on the S.C. too much?
He broke the law according to his own definition. I don't give a fuck who he saved. Je committed an illegal act, not that Obama cultists care one bit.
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you are not making any sense again.
Unless congress passes a law OB can modify deportation anyway he likes.
But go ahead ans SUCK the SPIN COCK some more. Remember your savior Romney will get jealous at some point.
If you guys get past the sparring, you might actually agree. He has to enforce immigration laws. He issued an EO saying he will not enforce immigration laws against an entire category of people.
I think this is absolutely unconstitutional.
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He broke the law according to his own definition. I don't give a fuck who he saved. Je committed an illegal act, not that Obama cultists care one bit.
which law did he break? As a lawyer, i'm sure you can list many. Just one will do. He issued an exec order. I have just assumed you knew which law, and i parroted it. I'm taking heat on other boards for making fun of this illegal ass move.
I dont wanna feel stupid - which law did he break? Not "he said last year it was illegal" - cause he is an admitted liar and will say anything.
What law did obama break with this exec order, 333386?
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If you guys get past the sparring, you might actually agree. He has to enforce immigration laws. He issued an EO saying he will not enforce immigration laws against an entire category of people.
I think this is absolutely unconstitutional.
My contention is not with what he did. I hate what he did and think its awful and i loath Romney for having to be the weak one here.
My contention is with the spin. does OB have the power with in the office of the POTUS to do what he did?
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which law did he break? As a lawyer, i'm sure you can list many. Just one will do. He issued an exec order. I have just assumed you knew which law, and i parroted it. I'm taking heat on other boards for making fun of this illegal ass move.
I dont wanna feel stupid - which law did he break? Not "he said last year it was illegal" - cause he is an admitted liar and will say anything.
What law did obama break with this exec order, 333386?
really post a link to the other boards why dont you? LOL
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really post a link to the other boards why dont you? LOL
you can probably tell from the aritlces i post, that i visit FR, DU, sherdog, and a few others.
I'm unable to find which laws obama broke. I"m against DREAM, and I hope romney grows the courage to vow to revoke this bill. But I feel kinda stupid arguing "The bill is illegal" when I don't even know why :(
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you can probably tell from the aritlces i post, that i visit FR, DU, sherdog, and a few others.
I'm unable to find which laws obama broke. I"m against DREAM, and I hope romney grows the courage to vow to revoke this bill. But I feel kinda stupid arguing "The bill is illegal" when I don't even know why :(
so no link to any of those posts youre "taking heat for on other boards"?
color me SHOCKED!!!
sounds a lot like the "Ive been a registered republican all my life" comment, or wait was it independent?
or democrat?
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so no link to any of those posts youre "taking heat for on other boards"?
color me SHOCKED!!!
sounds a lot like the "Ive been a registered republican all my life" comment, or wait was it independent?
or democrat?
i'm sorry i'm not willing to do so. It means we can't go on that tangent of 'attack the messenger' instead of you telling me what law obama has broken.
i'd rather talk about the issues that actually affect our country, and this punk ass DREAM bill does that. I guess I suck because I'm not willing to list my screen name on other forums.
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i'm sorry i'm not willing to do so. It means we can't go on that tangent of 'attack the messenger' instead of you telling me what law obama has broken.
i'd rather talk about the issues that actually affect our country, and this punk ass DREAM bill does that. I guess I suck because I'm not willing to list my screen name on other forums.
HAHAHAH thats good shit right there, you wanting to talk about the issues hahahahha
well I must confess that I did know you wouldnt produce any links as I am certain that no links exist but we can get back to the issues if you want.
I wonder why obama himself said that there were laws on the books that prevented him from doing this?
do you think he was just LYING and waiting until the most opportune moment?
do you think there is a law that he feels he can circumvent?
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HAHAHAH thats good shit right there, you wanting to talk about the issues hahahahha
well I must confess that I did know you wouldnt produce any links as I am certain that no links exist but we can get back to the issues if you want.
I wonder why obama himself said that there were laws on the books that prevented him from doing this?
do you think he was just LYING and waiting until the most opportune moment?
do you think there is a law that he feels he can circumvent?
The only law you're claiming he broke - is an unknown statute mentoined by a known fucking liar (obama).
Why can nobody tell me what law was broken, only that a failed attorney like obama (who lies nonstop about everything) said it.
When you cite obama as your source - it's poor form. Please tell me what law he broke. Or just say "I dont know that he did". Either way, I hate this bill and hope it ends but I can't tell anyone why it's illegal.
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The only law you're claiming he broke - is an unknown statute mentoined by a known fucking liar (obama).
Why can nobody tell me what law was broken, only that a failed attorney like obama (who lies nonstop about everything) said it.
When you cite obama as your source - it's poor form. Please tell me what law he broke. Or just say "I dont know that he did". Either way, I hate this bill and hope it ends but I can't tell anyone why it's illegal.
so what youre saying is that obama was lying in order to by time and use this as a political stunt for re-election?
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hell yes obama lies.
I have no clue if he was lying at the time. I'm not a lawyer. But a lawyer on getbig (33) said it was illegal. I want to know what law obama broke.
Do you know what law obama broke, tony?
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hell yes obama lies.
I have no clue if he was lying at the time. I'm not a lawyer. But a lawyer on getbig (33) said it was illegal. I want to know what law obama broke.
Do you know what law obama broke, tony?
I think he was lying to buy time to use this as a political stunt to drum up support...
pretty damn sad, dont you agree?
What kind of person would do that?
what kind of person would defend, deflect and promote for a person like that?
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hey 240 why dont you give me your user name on those websites you were getting heat from so I can go look up the responses?
maybe someone on those websites know?
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I think he was lying to buy time to use this as a political stunt to drum up support...
pretty damn sad, dont you agree?
What kind of person would do that?
what kind of person would defend, deflect and promote for a person like that?
sounds like this obama guy is a real jerk. If I ever meet Obama, I will ask him about this, and then invite him to hold a Merlot summit, as I enjoy merlot and grew up in summit county in ohio. I would be a perfect candidate. Maybe we get some getbiggers and some sutter home and just relax a bit and just talk NBA finals with Obama.
i dislike the idea of all these illegals being allowed to stay. but i've accepted it as inevitable. Even mitt romney seems to agree - he won't revoke something that MIGHT be illegal.
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My contention is not with what he did. I hate what he did and think its awful and i loath Romney for having to be the weak one here.
My contention is with the spin. does OB have the power with in the office of the POTUS to do what he did?
No, he doesn't have the power to refuse to enforce the law. That's the problem.
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No, he doesn't have the power to refuse to enforce the law. That's the problem.
Appearantly he does.
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Appearantly he does.
Lmfao!
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Appearantly he does.
Nah. There's that whole separation of powers thing. He'll get smacked down by the courts. May not happen before November. I think that's why he waited so long.
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Appearantly he does.
+1 :D
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I know... real communist shit huh ::)
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I know... real communist shit huh ::)
Don't blame me - you voted for him.
How black people don't hold this fraudulent con man to task for his destruction is beyond comprehension.
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Don't blame me - you voted for him.
How black people don't hold this fraudulent con man to task for his destruction is beyond comprehension.
Where do you see any blame in that post... i just said "real communist shit"
Tha Fuck are you talking about?
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Where do you see any blame in that post... i just said "real communist shit"
Tha Fuck are you talking about?
Obama is a communist and I proved it in the other thread with his being a member and signing a pledge to the "New Party" in Chicago, which he lied about.
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Obama is a communist and I proved it in the other thread with his being a member and signing a pledge to the "New Party" in Chicago, which he lied about.
I asked where you saw me blaming you... tha fuck are you goin on about
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W.Va. Dem on Obama immigration policy: ‘Wrong as he can be’
Washington Free Beacon ^ | June 18, 2012 | Washington Free Beacon Staff
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:19:58 AM by Kaslin
Rep. Nick Rahall (D., W.Va.) criticized sharply President Obama’s immigration policy in a Monday statement, saying the president is “as wrong as he can be” on the issue:
“We are a nation of immigrants. But I believe that the president is wrong on this issue — as wrong as he can be,” said Rahall. “For every immigrant who came to this country legally, abiding by the process and respecting the law, this action is a slap in the face. For the American workers, who will be forced to compete for American jobs against immigrant aliens, this action is a slap in the face.”
“The Constitution requires the president to enforce the law. It authorizes the president to recommend changes to the law. It does not — does not — permit the president to selectively choose which laws to enforce,” said Rahall. “More important than party, and more important than presidential politics, must be the upholding of the constitution and seeing to it that the laws are faithfully executed. This action may make for good politics in some quarters of our Nation, but it sets a terrible and dangerous precedent.”
Rahall is one of three prominent West Virginia Democrats—Rahall, Sen. Joe Manchin, and Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin—who will not attend the Democratic National Convention, Politico reported Monday.
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I asked where you saw me blaming you... tha fuck are you goin on about
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Going on about obama destroying the nation and obama voters sitting idly by silent like slaves while he slits your throats.
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Don't blame me - you voted for him.
How black people don't hold this fraudulent con man to task for his destruction is beyond comprehension.
Haha you are getting more and more sad each day. You need to get laid bro
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Haha you are getting more and more sad each day. You need to get laid bro
LOL - obama just had his watergate moment today fool.
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333 - what did Obama say starting at the 59 second mark in this video
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Nah. There's that whole separation of powers thing. He'll get smacked down by the courts. May not happen before November. I think that's why he waited so long.
Who is stopping him ATM?
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Who is stopping him ATM?
No one. When someone takes it to court, like Rep King has already threatened to do, a judge should invalidate the EO.
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No one. When someone takes it to court, like Rep King has already threatened to do, a judge should invalidate the EO.
I would hope so, but why is King just threatening?
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I would hope so, but why is King just threatening?
Maybe because the ink is barely dry on the EO?
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I would hope so, but why is King just threatening?
maybe because other POTUS's have also selectively enforced immigration and what the Obama administration did was most likely legal and within his authority
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maybe because other POTUS's have also selectively enforced immigration and what the Obama administration did was most likely legal and within his authority
Does that make it right? how anyone can cheer on this thuggery is disgusting. Straw, if you want a dictator running your life move to north Korea or Cuba.
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Does that make it right? how anyone can cheer on this thuggery is disgusting. Straw, if you want a dictator running your life move to north Korea or Cuba.
If he didn't break the law then it's as "right" as it need to be
get a grip man
no dictator is running my life or yours
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If he didn't break the law then it's as "right" as it need to be
get a grip man
no dictator is running my life or yours
You are little more than a slave and a cult follower of the messiah if you buy that crap.
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You are little more than a slave and a cult follower of the messiah if you buy that crap.
you're delusional
I think I might have told you that one or two times in the past
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Maybe because the ink is barely dry on the EO?
We will see. If its that blantanty against the law, why wait?
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We will see. If its that blantanty against the law, why wait?
I don't think they're necessarily waiting. It has only been a few days.
If we're talking about this two or three weeks from now, then I'll question what the hold up is.
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Does that make it right? how anyone can cheer on this thuggery is disgusting. Straw, if you want a dictator running your life move to north Korea or Cuba.
It makes no difference to you you live on getbig anyway
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I don't think they're necessarily waiting. It has only been a few days.
If we're talking about this two or three weeks from now, then I'll question what the hold up is.
So how did he break the law?
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So how did he break the law?
nobody has yet answered how obama broke the law with this executive order.
maybe they dont konw.
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nobody has yet answered how obama broke the law with this executive order.
maybe they dont konw.
You already know im holding something in my back pocket for the 1st person who says he broke the law.
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Obama said twice himself that what he did is illegal last year.
Amazing how delusional racist blacks will defend obama while he treats them like human toilet paper and beaten down slaves. Fucking sad.
You already know im holding something in my back pocket for the 1st person who says he broke the law.
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Obama said twice himself that what he did is illegal last year.
Amazing how delusional racist blacks will defend obama while he treats them like human toilet paper and beaten down slaves. Fucking sad.
Fatality
Executive Order 13444
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Now thats just lightweight... would you like the real death blow?
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Fatality for blacks seeking entry level work. Agreed.
Incredible what you morons defend solely for reasons of racial allegiance to obama.
Fucking pathetic.
Fatality
Executive Order 13444
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What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Did he break the law or not?
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Obama said twice himself that what he did is illegal last year.
Amazing how delusional racist blacks will defend obama while he treats them like human toilet paper and beaten down slaves. Fucking sad.
Wrong
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-skewers-fox-news-for-using-edited-obama-video-to-criticize-immigration-policy/
Jon Stewart Skewers Fox News For Using Edited Obama Video To Criticize Immigration Policy
Earlier tonight, we covered a Sean Hannity segment in which he played a video of President Obama saying he doesn’t have the authority to unilaterally change laws. Hannity used this clip against the president, attacking Obama’s method of enacting new immigration policy. On Tuesday night, Jon Stewart took aim at this line of argument, criticizing Fox News for cutting off the video just before the president clarified his remark.
RELATED: Hannity, Sarah Palin Question Lack Of Outrage About Obama’s Immigration Policy ‘Power Grab’
Stewart headed the segment first zoning in on those who were unhappy with the president for using executive power to make this decision about deportation. No other modern-day president has acted thusly. Except, of course, Stewart added, George W. Bush (regarding Liberia). And Bill Clinton. And George H. W. Bush. …And Ronald Reagan.
But he digressed, turning to Fox News’ segment that aimed to catch Obama contradicting his view of his own authority. In a video from less than a year ago. The clip Fox News played included Obama said the following:
I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true.
Game over, Stewart said. “I’m kind of a dick” to Fox News, he said, “but they got it right. I commend them.” But actually…in that video, it kind of looked like the president wasn’t done speaking. Let’s just double check, he said, rolling the longer clip. In it, Obama’s remarks continued off where Fox News’ clip left off:
The notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things is just not true. What we can do is to prioritize enforcement — since there are limited enforcement resources — and say, we’re not going to go chasing after this young man or anybody else who has been acting responsibly, and would otherwise qualify for legal status if the DREAM Act passed.
“Motherfuckers!” Stewart exclaimed. “They cut him off just before he very clearly says that he can do the exact thing he just did, but which you said he said he’s not supposed to — motherf**kers!”
“You almost had me, Fox News,” he added. Close, but no cigar.
Take a look, via Comedy Central:
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What the fuck people?
Did he break the law or not?
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Obama said twice himself that what he did is illegal last year.
Amazing how delusional racist blacks will defend obama while he treats them like human toilet paper and beaten down slaves. Fucking sad.
I thought you said Obama was a liar and now you believe him?
Amazing how delusional middle class racist whites will defend the repub party despite they treat them like useful idiots. Fucking sad.
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What the fuck people?
Did he break the law or not?
33, you've said for a week that obama broke the law last friday with that law. I repeated it elsewhere and was called for it.
I can't back it up. Did Obama break the law?
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Fatality for blacks seeking entry level work. Agreed.
Incredible what you morons defend solely for reasons of racial allegiance to obama.
Fucking pathetic.
Respond to that EO please.. did the person who issued that EO Break the law?
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Respond to that EO please.. did the person who issued that EO Break the law?
He is creating a new class of immigrants provided status. That is changing the law which he said twice he cant do.
Again - I am laughing hysterically at you racist blacks cheering this on. 800k newly minted employees without jobs to compete w blacks in an already bad situation and you idiots applaud this.
Fucking priceless.
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did he break the law or not?
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His office released a statement calling the President’s plan an arbitrary granting of “amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants.” But, in 1986, it was Republican President Ronald Reagan who did just that. Upon signing the Immigration Reform and Control Act Reagan gave amnesty to over 3 million undocumented individuals in the US. In support of the initiative the conservative icon said, "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally,".
Flawless Victory
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/12394/republicans-defy-reagan-oppose-obama-on-amnesty
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His office released a statement calling the President’s plan an arbitrary granting of “amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants.” But, in 1986, it was Republican President Ronald Reagan who did just that. Upon signing the Immigration Reform and Control Act Reagan gave amnesty to over 3 million undocumented individuals in the US. In support of the initiative the conservative icon said, "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally,".
Flawless Victory
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/12394/republicans-defy-reagan-oppose-obama-on-amnesty
You are a fucking idiot and a typical 95% racist idiot who pledges allegiance to obama simply because he is black.
Simpson Mazzoli was not an EO you stupid fuck.
Seriously - I laugh so hard lately watching you moronic blacks defend obama while he destroys "da community". Really, its beyons sad at this point.
Bro - is this what you are proud of?
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What's wrong with you people?
Is what he did against the law or not?
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What's wrong with you people?
Is what he did against the law or not?
That is what the lawsuit will be about.
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That is what the lawsuit will be about.
what law did he break?
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what law did he break?
The fundamental fact that the Executive Branch does not make laws!
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You are a fucking idiot and a typical 95% racist idiot who pledges allegiance to obama simply because he is black.
Simpson Mazzoli was not an EO you stupid fuck.
Seriously - I laugh so hard lately watching you moronic blacks defend obama while he destroys "da community". Really, its beyons sad at this point.
Bro - is this what you are proud of?
Yo chump Bitch, i never said it was an EO.. this was giving Illegal immigrants amnesty... that is what youre crying like a little punk loud mouth period havin bitch right.
Bush gave the EO on immigrants.
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So once again - the only thing you fools rest on is blame bush, who you tools claim was the worst president, an imperial hitler like dictator, to defend obama doing the same thing?
Great. Speaks volumes how low you will go to pledge your allegiance to the messiah while he collapses your community.
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So once again - the only thing you fools rest on is blame bush, who you tools claim was the worst president, an imperial hitler like dictator, to defend obama doing the same thing?
Great. Speaks volumes how low you will go to pledge your allegiance to the messiah while he collapses your community.
So what are you mad at.. the EO or the Amnesty?
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So what are you mad at.. the EO or the Amnesty?
Both. I resigned my membership from the RNC over amnesty for illegals w Bush.
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Both. I resigned my membership from the RNC over amnesty for illegals w Bush.
But Ronald did the same for 3 million and justified it...but youre good with that right?
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But Ronald did the same for 3 million and justified it...but youre good with that right?
not at all and I was not of voting age. Reagan was promised strict enforcement under Simpson Mazzoli and a limit of about 3 million illegals.
He was a fool to go along with it since the actual amnesty was 5 million and he never got the eonforcement.
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The fundamental fact that the Executive Branch does not make laws!
Lmao. That's all you got?
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not at all and I was not of voting age. Reagan was promised strict enforcement under Simpson Mazzoli and a limit of about 3 million illegals.
He was a fool to go along with it since the actual amnesty was 5 million and he never got the eonforcement.
But just as a student of history.. youre going after this guy for this and your guy did the same x3 (and for the record.. the x3 is a real number based on data.. not some shit i pulled out of thin air)
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But just as a student of history.. youre going after this guy for this and your guy did the same x3 (and for the record.. the x3 is a real number based on data.. not some shit i pulled out of thin air)
Hey idiot - I can't chamge mistakes of the past - I can only try to prevent present ones right now.
How you liberal blacks don't see illegal immigration as such a destructive force to the black community speaks volumes upon volumes of just how fucked up and warped you clowns are and why nothing will EVER improve on the path you are going.
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Hey idiot - I can't chamge mistakes of the past - I can only try to prevent present ones right now.
How you liberal blacks don't see illegal immigration as such a destructive force to the black community speaks volumes upon volumes of just how fucked up and warped you clowns are and why nothing will EVER improve on the path you are going.
Lol.. the racial venom is strong... Youve been trying to bait and change... but whatever... im just saying.. your hero has done more in this area.. but you overlook that.. interesting.. you bitch ass punk party line fuck face chump
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Lol.. the racial venom is strong... Youve been trying to bait and change... but whatever... im just saying.. your hero has done more in this area.. but you overlook that.. interesting.. you bitch ass punk party line fuck face chump
LOL overlook what? I said i disagreed with it and it was a disaster.
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You are a fucking idiot and a typical 95% racist idiot who pledges allegiance to obama simply because he is black.
Simpson Mazzoli was not an EO you stupid fuck.
Seriously - I laugh so hard lately watching you moronic blacks defend obama while he destroys "da community". Really, its beyons sad at this point.
Bro - is this what you are proud of?
1. People voted for every other president because he was white....people voted for McCain because he was white and people will vote for Romney because he's white......it doesn't make a difference....its their vote.
2. Why do I need to worry about black people for? Do you worry about your own race??? Its ridiculous for you to argue that I or any other black person has a responsibility to my race for some delusional reason.
Fact is that Obama is right....blacks need to stop complaining and stop crying and take personal responsibility for what goes on in their life. I don't owe shit to my own race and neither should anyone else.
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Illegal aliens have a profound negative impact on many communities, especially those seeking entry level work and need a functioning public school system.
illegal drain these employment opporotunities and drain the schools of resources.
How you morons still defend this simply because its obama doing it is beyond comprehension.
and as for obama really? You agree with him screaming at blacks to get their bedroom slippers off and marching shoes on while he seemingly lost his comfortable marching shoes in Wisconsin?
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Illegal aliens have a profound negative impact on many communities, especially those seeking entry level work and need a functioning public school system.
illegal drain these employment opporotunities and drain the schools of resources.
Agreed, that's the problem with illegals.
But so far no one has shown how OB broke a law doing what he did.
Or shown he isn't with in his power to do what he did.
What taking rep King so long? Is OB's transgression not that cut and dry?
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http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/19/mark-levin-goes-nuclear-in-defense-of-the-dcs-neil-munro
FUCKING AWESOME - LEVIN KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK
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Illegal aliens have a profound negative impact on many communities, especially those seeking entry level work and need a functioning public school system.
illegal drain these employment opporotunities and drain the schools of resources.
How you morons still defend this simply because its obama doing it is beyond comprehension.
and as for obama really? You agree with him screaming at blacks to get their bedroom slippers off and marching shoes on while he seemingly lost his comfortable marching shoes in Wisconsin?
Yes....if you want something in life...get off your ass and get it like I did
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Yes....if you want something in life...get off your ass and get it like I did
He was talking about propping him up for re-election, nothing else.
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So how did he break the law?
By not enforcing the law. That's his job. From the White House website:
The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acts as head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet. The Vice President is also part of the Executive Branch, ready to assume the Presidency should the need arise.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/executive-branch
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The Immigration Bombshell: Obama's Naked Lawlessness
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
Posted 06/21/2012 05:29 PM ET
http://news.investors.com/articleprint/615618/201206211729/obama-violates-constitutional-obligation-for-re-election.aspx
"With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations (of immigrants brought here illegally as children) through executive order, that's just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed." — President Obama, March 28, 2011
Those laws remain on the books. They have not changed. Yet Obama last week suspended these very deportations — granting infinitely renewable "deferred action" with attendant work permits — thereby unilaterally rewriting the law. And doing precisely what he himself admits he is barred from doing.
Obama had tried to change the law. In late 2010, he asked Congress to pass the Dream Act, which offered a path to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants. Congress refused.
When subsequently pressed by Hispanic groups to simply implement the law by executive action, Obama explained that it would be illegal.
"Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. ... But that's not how our system works. That's not how our democracy functions. That's not how our Constitution is written."
That was then. Now he's gone and done it anyway. It's obvious why. The election approaches and his margin is slipping. He needs a big Hispanic vote and this is the perfect pander. After all, who will call him on it? A supine press? Congressional Democrats?
Nothing like an upcoming election to temper their Bush 43-era zeal for defending Congress' exclusive Article I power to legislate.
With a single Homeland Security Department memo, the immigration laws no longer apply to 800,000 people. By what justification? Prosecutorial discretion, says Janet Napolitano.
This is utter nonsense. Prosecutorial discretion is the application on a case-by-case basis of considerations of extreme and extenuating circumstances. No one is going to deport, say, a 29-year-old illegal immigrant whose parents had just died in some ghastly accident and who is the sole support for a disabled younger sister and ailing granny. That's what prosecutorial discretion is for.
The Napolitano memo is nothing of the sort. It's the unilateral creation of a new category of persons — a class of 800,000 — who, regardless of individual circumstance , are hereby exempt from current law so long as they meet certain biographic criteria.
This is not discretion. This is a fundamental rewriting of the law.
Imagine: A Republican president submits to Congress a bill abolishing the capital gains tax. Congress rejects it. The president then orders the IRS to stop collecting capital gains taxes, and declares that anyone refusing to pay them will suffer no fine, no penalty, no sanction whatsoever. (Analogy first suggested by law professor John Yoo.)
It would be a scandal, a constitutional crisis, a cause for impeachment. Why? Because unlike, for example, war powers, this is not an area of perpetual executive-legislative territorial contention.
Nor is cap-gains, like the judicial status of unlawful enemy combatants, an area where the law is silent or ambiguous. Capital gains is straightforward tax law. Just as Obama's bombshell amnesty-by-fiat is a subversion of straightforward immigration law.
It is shameful that Congressional Democrats should be applauding such a brazen end-run. Of course it's smart politics. It divides Republicans, rallies the Hispanic vote and pre-empts Marco Rubio's attempt to hammer out an acceptable legislative compromise. Very clever. But, by Obama's own admission, it is naked lawlessness.
As for policy, I sympathize with the obvious humanitarian motives of the Dream Act. But two important considerations are overlooked in concentrating exclusively on the Dream Act poster child, the straight-A valedictorian who rescues kittens from trees.
First, offering potential illegal immigrants the prospect that, if they can successfully hide long enough, their children will one day freely enjoy the bounties of American life creates a huge incentive for yet more illegal immigration.
Second, the case for compassion and fairness is hardly as clear-cut as advertised. What about those who languish for years in godforsaken countries awaiting legal admission to America? Their scrupulousness about the law could easily cost their children the American future that illegal immigrants will have secured for theirs.
But whatever our honest and honorable disagreements about the policy, what holds us together is a shared allegiance to our constitutional order. That's the fundamental issue here. As Obama himself argued in rejecting the executive action he has now undertaken, "America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the president, am obligated to enforce the law. I don't have a choice about it."
Except, apparently, when violating that solemn obligation serves his re-election needs.
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