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Mg for mg oral steroids tend to be some of the most potent anabolics available. Oral steroids, especially in high doses, can have some of the nastiest side effects, though. The current trend in the higher echelons of competitive bodybuilding is very high doses orals, but used only on workout days, in one large dose pre workout. Many have seen that dosing their orals this way allows them to run much higher doses than they typically would but avoid most - if not all - of the negative side effects they typically would encounter from such doses if it was everyday, dosed throughout the day. Another major and equally important goal of this dosing protocol is to induce the highest possible blood levels of anabolics during and after a workout. While some may argue that growth does not just occur during and after a workout so it would be important to keep blood levels high all the time, the goal we are trying to achieve can be outlined in the following, with the following conditions explained:
Pre-Workout Oral Dosing Conditions (i.e. when would be a good time to start using this protocol?)
I. You are trying to build muscle (this is important...i.e, you are not pre contest just taking orals to fill out)
2. You are already on 2+ grams of steroids (at this point your receptors are going to be extremely saturated and running 50mg dbol daily probably will just put on water weight and increase glycogen storage NOT build muscle in the way that going from 500mg - 1 gram of test builds real hard muscle, bloat aside
If you meet these criteria, then its usually advised to start with something simple and easy like dbol. 100mg's of dbol chewed up or injected 90-120 mins pre workout only on workout days will provide peak hormone blood levels during and immediately post training as well as a good strength increase during the workout to promote greater muscle fiber damage from moving heavier weights, pushing out more reps, etc etc
Once you feel comfortable with dbol...move on to anadrol, start at 50 and build up to 100mg's in the same fashion. 100mg's pre workout anadrol is potent.
"Superdrol" is another popular pre workout oral at around 30-40mg's but it can be hard to find a quality lab with the product.
The most common and most effective blend is 100mg dbol 100mg anadrol 100mg TNE pre workout, dosed only on workout days.
Another major benefit to this protocol that top bodybuilders prefer is the length it can be run. Liver damage and overall internal organ stress is greatly diminished with the 3 or so off days where the orals are not dosed.
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Kidney doner society approved
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maybe you can give some input on this issue BFG.i currently use liquid anadrol and proviron.very strong drol.ive had all kinds of tabs and its the best.
Grapefruit juice.the med info says it makes stimulants,oral steroids etc.work much better.
what are your thoughts.
thanks.
good to have you here.
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Pro's secrets to oral steroid use:
Use them. A lot of them.
Groundbreaking. ::)
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Do you see a use for orals, such as dbol, when running a stack such as prop/tren/mast?
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Enlarged, blood filled cyst liver of peace.
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100mg of dianabol pre workout? I tried 30mg and I felt horrible after workout, BP through the roof.
Also I imagine that despite off days bloat would be unbearable :D
I have moonface on 300mg of test/week without AI.
Sometimes I wonder if guys from USA have so fucking underdosed gear or that much better tolerance, HUGE guys from around here run 1.5g per week max.
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There are no secrets.
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That's fucking insane! I would never do more that 30 mgs of D Bol a day!
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That's fucking insane! I would never do more that 30 mgs of D Bol a day!
guess you're not willing to die for us? You're a disgrace to the ''sport''
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maybe you can give some input on this issue BFG.i currently use liquid anadrol and proviron.very strong drol.ive had all kinds of tabs and its the best.
Grapefruit juice.the med info says it makes stimulants,oral steroids etc.work much better.
what are your thoughts.
thanks.
good to have you here.
I personally don't think it would make a huge difference though I do personally know one guy whose an amateur that swears by doing this. He's 6 ft 3 300+lbs...but I don't think its because of grapefruit juice, he cruises on 1 gram of test and 600mgs of deca!
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Do you see a use for orals, such as dbol, when running a stack such as prop/tren/mast?
Yes! Assuming you are running that stack to cut or recomp, dbol or drol with 1mg adex eod or 1.5mg letro weekly would be an excellent addition. The best would be methylmasteron, though. Truly one of the best orals of all time.
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100mg of dianabol pre workout? I tried 30mg and I felt horrible after workout, BP through the roof.
Also I imagine that despite off days bloat would be unbearable :D
I have moonface on 300mg of test/week without AI.
Sometimes I wonder if guys from USA have so fucking underdosed gear or that much better tolerance, HUGE guys from around here run 1.5g per week max.
Not trying to be rude by any means but to be totally honest it just sounds like you have bad genetics for bodybuilding. 30mg dbol and 300mg test just should not have those effects. Remember, a major aspect of bodybuilding is genetic ability to use the drugs. What you described is a prime example of where a lot of guys fall short.
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Keep these threads comin' please, BFG. :) Always love hearing what you have to say. :)
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Not trying to be rude by any means but to be totally honest it just sounds like you have bad genetics for bodybuilding. 30mg dbol and 300mg test just should not have those effects. Remember, a major aspect of bodybuilding is genetic ability to use the drugs. What you described is a prime example of where a lot of guys fall short.
How would you know that , you have no idea what I look like! I have competed and done pretty well in the contests that I entered in the past! I was not trying to become a pro! 30 mgs combined with 20 mgs of anavar in my orals worked fine for what I was trying to achieve at the time!
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Pro's secrets to oral steroid use:
Use them. A lot of them.
Groundbreaking. ::)
i dont know why this is so funny but it is :D
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How would you know that , you have no idea what I look like! I have competed and done pretty well in the contests that I entered in the past! I was not trying to become a pro! 30 mgs combined with 20 mgs of anavar in my orals worked fine for what I was trying to achieve at the time!
Deciever = Ronnie Rep. Good to know ! :)
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you don't think a user should least take a smaller dose on off-days. I would think your gains would get thrown off by not keeping the drug at a sustained level. I think most amateur serious bodybuilders almost train some muscle daily. Bodybuilding can become a disease! You are constantly trying to improve and almost turn yourself OCD trying to keep in tip-top shape. The best guys I have met train everyday! They do short 45min Real Intense work-outs with short 30 second rests between sets 1 or 2 bodypart workouts instead of longer grueling work-outs.
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Deciever = Ronnie Rep. Good to know ! :)
I was like, what the fuck?
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^^^ I'd be curious to know as well, WW ( i.e - regarding orals on off days, and whether TOP amateurs / pro's train everydays, 3 times a week, etc. ).
Personally, WW, I have friends that swear by taking orals ONLY on workout days. And, for the most part, they don't seem to notice any changes. Meaning, they do not see a difference from taking them workout days only vs taking them everyday.
And as far as working out is concerned, I know quite a few ( myself included ) who only train 3-4 days a week with excellent results. I could NEVER train everyday, let alone 5 days a week.
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Deciever = Ronnie Rep. Good to know ! :)
OK Sherlock if you say so!
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I read that Joe McNeal had Dexter Jackson do 50mg of methyltest right before the workout.
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100mg of dianabol pre workout? I tried 30mg and I felt horrible after workout, BP through the roof.
Also I imagine that despite off days bloat would be unbearable :D
I have moonface on 300mg of test/week without AI.
Sometimes I wonder if guys from USA have so fucking underdosed gear or that much better tolerance, HUGE guys from around here run 1.5g per week max.
I did dbol only cycles in the past or dbol test tren
100 mg it's ok.. 150 is at the upper limit...200mg is heavy even by itself
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Is there anything the pros do for the GI distress? And what about the renal and hepatic damage? I know it's normally something that balances out, but I'd wonder about hepatic lesions and fatty liver, cysts, etc. I guess they just won the genetic lottery and can tolerate the abuse a bit better?
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Enlarged, blood filled cyst liver of peace.
This.
Most will never know about the cysts, though.
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you don't think a user should least take a smaller dose on off-days. I would think your gains would get thrown off by not keeping the drug at a sustained level. I think most amateur serious bodybuilders almost train some muscle daily. Bodybuilding can become a disease! You are constantly trying to improve and almost turn yourself OCD trying to keep in tip-top shape. The best guys I have met train everyday! They do short 45min Real Intense work-outs with short 30 second rests between sets 1 or 2 bodypart workouts instead of longer grueling work-outs.
I have always advocated training no more than 3-4x per week in the offseason when trying to gain muscle mass. Some of my personal favorites are 5x5 which is only 3 days and DC training which is at most 4 days for a very advanced trainee. Bodybuilders greatly underestimate the important of heavy, intense weight training to gain size. Of course being big and ripped is only possible with drugs, but proper training is the catalyst. What do the best bodybuilders of all time all tend to have in common? They trained extremely hard, to failure and beyond and pushed their limits each workout. Great genetics + drugs + food + heavy, intense workouts = winning contests.
There is also a specific reason why I had certain conditions in place if you are running oral steroids in this protocol. If you are only taking 750mg's of test, for example, I would recommend a steady dose of orals everyday. If you are already an advanced bodybuilder with major muscle mass and are saturated with grams of steroids everyday you need a different growth catalyst because 50mg's of dbol daily is not going to do much more than perhaps add some water weight or increase glycogen retention and some strength. By blasting a very large dose of orals pre workout you will reap the immediate strength increase (which is why i suggest chewing or injecting them for fast release into blood stream) to push your limits for more muscle fiber damage and greater hormone levels during post workout anabolism.
Its basically the same concept as taking lantus and then pre workout humalog.
Furthermore, the major point of this is longevity. No matter the amount of drugs in your system, muscle building is a relatively slow process - especially getting pro competition winning huge. Sure, you could probably take 200mg dbol everyday for a year but you won't be in the game for long after that. By hyperdosing pre workout only and getting about 3 days of rest from the internal organ damage you can push the limits longer.
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Is the use of oral steroids constant throughout the year or only during the blast periods (if yes, for how long?).
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pro's take steroids?
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300 mg of test and 30 mg DBOL?- welcome to 1970.. If you have issues on that much, you don't have a good chance of building an appreciable amount of mass beyond normal levels. Personally I didn't get any noticible sides til I was on 200 mg test, 400 mg Deca a week and 50 mg of Anadrol a day (all prescribed) and then it was just a lot of water retention.
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I haven't taken any orals for over a year now for health reasons, maybe I'll try this pre workout theory
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I have always advocated training no more than 3-4x per week in the offseason when trying to gain muscle mass. Some of my personal favorites are 5x5 which is only 3 days and DC training which is at most 4 days for a very advanced trainee.
I find this interesting because a lot of guys train 5-6 days a week...especially in the 70s-90s. The few guys I know with respectable size all do the same 5 day split..and the two classic splits of push/pull/legs and chest/back, arms/shoulders, legs have a lot of names to their credit.
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I haven't taken any orals for over a year now for health reasons, maybe I'll try this pre workout theory
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It's not a theory, the chewing them 1 to 2 hours before working out was told to me in the early 1990's, all who did this noticed big strength gains as blood test levels skyrocketed.
Most who experimented PREFERRED 2 hours before workout...
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so could it work well for lagging bodyparts?
say just doing it on arm day, if your arms are lagging behind the rest of your body?
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superdrol is probably the least faked steroid out there.
lgi got rid of so much of that stuff last august that it should be very easy to find, and it is a reputable company, anyway.
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I wish I could find sdrol damn it... best oral ever.
Eh.. I dont agree with the whole 100mg dbol and 100mg anadrol i know bfg has said these before but that just sounds nuts... i can agree to 50-100mg preworkout.. after all 100mg for 3 months put on 5kg of lean mass on couch potatos in some study without exercise.. so with good training and nutrition preworkout that should do stuff.. but all that all at once i dunno..
It has to be a fast acting oral... sdrol is one too for sure 20mg in a day when i wana do back pulsed like that works great... gradual gains but still... gains...
Pulsing pre workout on work out days u want to improve is okay in my opinion just not at those doses.. the most ive done SOLO dbol is 80mg for a number of days and felt like puking out... strong dbol but still... feeling sick while working out flip that
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I wish I could find sdrol damn it... best oral ever.
Eh.. I dont agree with the whole 100mg dbol and 100mg anadrol i know bfg has said these before but that just sounds nuts... i can agree to 50-100mg preworkout.. after all 100mg for 3 months put on 5kg of lean mass on couch potatos in some study without exercise.. so with good training and nutrition preworkout that should do stuff.. but all that all at once i dunno..
It has to be a fast acting oral... sdrol is one too for sure 20mg in a day when i wana do back pulsed like that works great... gradual gains but still... gains...
Pulsing pre workout on work out days u want to improve is okay in my opinion just not at those doses.. the most ive done SOLO dbol is 80mg for a number of days and felt like puking out... strong dbol but still... feeling sick while working out flip that
i take 10 mg of sdrol on my workout days and i workout roughly 5 days per week
so i was wondering if maybe i should load up with 30 mg on push day since that's where i want to put more muscle on
legs and pull muscles are ok for me but i'd like to yoke up my chest delts and tris a bit more
i'm not mass monster nor do i want to be, my goal is something like the fella in my avi
shape, detail, and seperation are my goals (with a slightly over-developed push mechanism ;D)
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i take 10 mg of sdrol on my workout days and i workout roughly 5 days per week
so i was wondering if maybe i should load up with 30 mg on push day since that's where i want to put more muscle on
legs and pull muscles are ok for me but i'd like to yoke up my chest delts and tris a bit more
i'm not mass monster nor do i want to be, my goal is something like the fella in my avi
shape, detail, and seperation are my goals (with a slightly over-developed push mechanism ;D)
Nobody gives a fuck about your goals.
You have been on this forum for years, stop acting like a little bitch and expecting everyone to hold your hand and give you attention, you sicken me and everyone here wishes you were dead
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Nobody gives a fuck about your goals.
You have been on this forum for years, stop acting like a little bitch and expecting everyone to hold your hand and give you attention, you sicken me and everyone here wishes you were dead
p.s. you're not everyone dipshit
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p.s. you're not everyone dipshit
Everyone ridicules you...hahahahaaaaaa
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Everyone ridicules you...hahahahaaaaaa
and everyone thinks that you're a fucking asshole, which is true in fact
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and everyone thinks that you're a fucking asshole, which is true in fact
Don't worry dj. Groink is too busy crying to Ron everytime his mugshot is posted. Also, you know your an asshole when you care more about drugs and steroids than taking care of your child.
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Don't worry dj. Groink is too busy crying to Ron everytime his mugshot is posted. Also, you know your an asshole when you care more about drugs and steroids than taking care of your child.
;)
Another internet tough guy who is afraid to make enemies with his main anonymous account... so he makes ANOTHER one to say things he wouldn't dare say to someones face....thats being a pussy on three different levels at the same time...impressive
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i take 10 mg of sdrol on my workout days and i workout roughly 5 days per week
so i was wondering if maybe i should load up with 30 mg on push day since that's where i want to put more muscle on
legs and pull muscles are ok for me but i'd like to yoke up my chest delts and tris a bit more
i'm not mass monster nor do i want to be, my goal is something like the fella in my avi
shape, detail, and seperation are my goals (with a slightly over-developed push mechanism ;D)
I hope your mum doesn't wake you up poor thing :-\
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Another internet tough guy who is afraid to make enemies with his main anonymous account... so he makes ANOTHER one to say things he wouldn't dare say to someones face....thats being a pussy on three different levels at the same time...impressive
LOL I don't have another account. Keep trying to be a hardass on the internet while looking like a complete fool in your families eyes because you can't stay away from the drugs. I'd be embarrased of you if I was your kid. You are 48 years old, grow the fuck up fool.
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LOL I don't have another account. Keep trying to be a hardass on the internet while looking like a complete fool in your families eyes because you can't stay away from the drugs. I'd be embarrased of you if I was your kid. You are 48 years old, grow the fuck up fool.
Sure you don't.....LOLOL.
Like you would just fess up and say "yeah you called it" ::)
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Sure you don't.....LOLOL.
Like you would just fess up and say "yeah you called it" ::)
I will shoot Uberman a PM and ask him to pray for you and that you may be released from the hold the drugs have on you.
;)
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I will shoot Uberman a PM and ask him to pray for you and that you may be released from the hold the drugs have on you.
;)
Ask him if god can send down a set of balls for you while he's at it.
Registered a month ago, knows Getbig lore but "it's my only account"....hahahaaa
How much of a straight up coward do you have to be that you dont want to make someone mad with your "real" fake anonymous internet persona..
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Superdrol is awesome. I have a couple containers of it and will be using a little to pulse once I dip back into the juice and stuff.
Just taking it pre-workout for a couple of days and you'll completely fill out. Amazing stuff, and almost never faked either. There's ton of it getting pumped out of China and a few fly by night shell companies will produce it every now and again. If you ever find it, make sure to load up while you can.
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Superdrol is awesome. I have a couple containers of it and will be using a little to pulse once I dip back into the juice and stuff.
Just taking it pre-workout for a couple of days and you'll completely fill out. Amazing stuff, and almost never faked either. There's ton of it getting pumped out of China and a few fly by night shell companies will produce it every now and again. If you ever find it, make sure to load up while you can.
Last company (in USA) that I have seen make some Superdrol has been LGI. They discontinued their production and all the leftover bottles are selling for $50+...I'd rather spend that money getting some HG Dbol or Anadrol..
I wish someone would come out with a clone for a few months so I could stock up.
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I read that Joe McNeal had Dexter Jackson do 50mg of methyltest right before the workout.
True
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There are no secrets to bodybuilding. Just take as much drugs as you can get your hands on.
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Yes, I do not health to become pro bodybuilder. My god, that is so fucking depressing.
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Mg for mg oral steroids tend to be some of the most potent anabolics available. Oral steroids, especially in high doses, can have some of the nastiest side effects, though. The current trend in the higher echelons of competitive bodybuilding is very high doses orals, but used only on workout days, in one large dose pre workout. Many have seen that dosing their orals this way allows them to run much higher doses than they typically would but avoid most - if not all - of the negative side effects they typically would encounter from such doses if it was everyday, dosed throughout the day. Another major and equally important goal of this dosing protocol is to induce the highest possible blood levels of anabolics during and after a workout. While some may argue that growth does not just occur during and after a workout so it would be important to keep blood levels high all the time, the goal we are trying to achieve can be outlined in the following, with the following conditions explained:
Pre-Workout Oral Dosing Conditions (i.e. when would be a good time to start using this protocol?)
I. You are trying to build muscle (this is important...i.e, you are not pre contest just taking orals to fill out)
2. You are already on 2+ grams of steroids (at this point your receptors are going to be extremely saturated and running 50mg dbol daily probably will just put on water weight and increase glycogen storage NOT build muscle in the way that going from 500mg - 1 gram of test builds real hard muscle, bloat aside
If you meet these criteria, then its usually advised to start with something simple and easy like dbol. 100mg's of dbol chewed up or injected 90-120 mins pre workout only on workout days will provide peak hormone blood levels during and immediately post training as well as a good strength increase during the workout to promote greater muscle fiber damage from moving heavier weights, pushing out more reps, etc etc
Once you feel comfortable with dbol...move on to anadrol, start at 50 and build up to 100mg's in the same fashion. 100mg's pre workout anadrol is potent.
"Superdrol" is another popular pre workout oral at around 30-40mg's but it can be hard to find a quality lab with the product.
The most common and most effective blend is 100mg dbol 100mg anadrol 100mg TNE pre workout, dosed only on workout days.
Another major benefit to this protocol that top bodybuilders prefer is the length it can be run. Liver damage and overall internal organ stress is greatly diminished with the 3 or so off days where the orals are not dosed.
LOL at specific protocols. They grab a handful of dbols and whatever else they have lying around. There is your drug protocol.
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There is a UG lab that is producing superdrol still and CHEAP because superdrol IS cheap to synthesize by tens of kilos.... so those guys selling branded bottles were making a killing for ignorants... the thing is the lab... i had a site that was selling them and I LOST THE LINK frickin ()#@#@* i was going to buy up some for my april cycle but looks like thats not going to happen what so ever unles someone points me in the right direction hah... was like 10mg 100 pills for 30 bux! which is what superdrol went for when it was legal anyway
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There is a UG lab that is producing superdrol still and CHEAP because superdrol IS cheap to synthesize by tens of kilos.... so those guys selling branded bottles were making a killing for ignorants... the thing is the lab... i had a site that was selling them and I LOST THE LINK frickin ()#@#@* i was going to buy up some for my april cycle but looks like thats not going to happen what so ever unles someone points me in the right direction hah... was like 10mg 100 pills for 30 bux! which is what superdrol went for when it was legal anyway
Geneza.....
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Nobody gives a fuck about your goals.
You have been on this forum for years, stop acting like a little bitch and expecting everyone to hold your hand and give you attention, you sicken me and everyone here wishes you were dead
This is crossing the line to me
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This is crossing the line to me
I don't wish death on him. But I do wish that when he's old, that his family puts him in a home and doesn't visit him. I hope the only communication he has with them is a shitty postcard around Christmas. And that he never wins at any bridge or Boggle tournaments.
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This is crossing the line to me
I don't really wish he was dead, come on now
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I don't wish death on him. But I do wish that when he's old, that his family puts him in a home and doesn't visit him. I hope the only communication he has with them is a shitty postcard around Christmas. And that he never wins at any bridge or Boggle tournaments.
fucking lol'ed
I don't really wish he was dead, come on now
Ok, now I feel better :D
I have a pussy side to me when it comes to this type of shit. I get like weird premonitions in my head or something.
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when using dbol always use 100mg monday, 80 tuesday, 60 wed, 40 thurs, 30 friday, 10 on weekends, then back to 100 mg on monday.
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when using dbol always use 100mg monday, 80 tuesday, 60 wed, 40 thurs, 30 friday, 10 on weekends, then back to 100 mg on monday.
dude no wonder you look like your head is about to explode
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when using dbol always use 100mg monday, 80 tuesday, 60 wed, 40 thurs, 30 friday, 10 on weekends, then back to 100 mg on monday.
Can i get my head to look like yours if i do that ?
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i take 10 mg of sdrol on my workout days and i workout roughly 5 days per week
so i was wondering if maybe i should load up with 30 mg on push day since that's where i want to put more muscle on
legs and pull muscles are ok for me but i'd like to yoke up my chest delts and tris a bit more
i'm not mass monster nor do i want to be, my goal is something like the fella in my avi
shape, detail, and seperation are my goals (with a slightly over-developed push mechanism ;D)
check with your supplier
it must be fake you look like a train wreck
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Nobody gives a fuck about your goals.
You have been on this forum for years, stop acting like a little bitch and expecting everyone to hold your hand and give you attention, you sicken me and everyone here wishes you were dead
;D
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I don't wish death on him. But I do wish that when he's old, that his family puts him in a home and doesn't visit him. I hope the only communication he has with them is a shitty postcard around Christmas. And that he never wins at any bridge or Boggle tournaments.
lol
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Can i get my head to look like yours if i do that ?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I was going to say exactly the same ;D
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when using dbol always use 100mg monday, 80 tuesday, 60 wed, 40 thurs, 30 friday, 10 on weekends, then back to 100 mg on monday.
makes no sense.
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makes no sense.
I don't think anyone will be taking any sort of advice from this guy don't worry.
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True
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Where can you get Methyltest these days?? I never seen it on any listings!
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Where can you get Methyltest these days?? I never seen it on any listings!
Not sure to be honest but not needed anyway.
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100-200 MG TEST SUSPENSION BEFORE TRAINING IS MOST POPULAR- 200 MG OF ORALS BEFORE TRAINING 5-6 DAYS A WK ...-ALOT OF IFBB PROS HAVE TRIED THE 100-200 MG ORAL THING AT ONE TIME --ONLY TILL YOUR LIVER ENZYMES TRIPLE OR MORE AND SKY ROCKET- NOT A SMART THING OVER TIME--THOSE GUYS DONT LAST VERY LONG..
BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT EVRY PRO DOES ::) SO KEEP UP THE AWESOME ADVISE BFG
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Where can you get Methyltest these days?? I never seen it on any listings!
It's available, but I'm not sure why you'd want to use it. You're not going to get any sort of significant advantage by using it, otherwise tons of people would throw caution to the wind and abuse that as well.
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It's available, but I'm not sure why you'd want to use it. You're not going to get any sort of significant advantage by using it, otherwise tons of people would throw caution to the wind and abuse that as well.
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Well, these were orals- I was thinking of the ramped-up aggression and mental energy- fun to experiment with for 3-4 weeks or so!!
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guess you're not willing to die for us? You're a disgrace to the ''sport''
Lol
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I have always advocated training no more than 3-4x per week in the offseason when trying to gain muscle mass. Some of my personal favorites are 5x5 which is only 3 days and DC training which is at most 4 days for a very advanced trainee. Bodybuilders greatly underestimate the important of heavy, intense weight training to gain size. Of course being big and ripped is only possible with drugs, but proper training is the catalyst. What do the best bodybuilders of all time all tend to have in common? They trained extremely hard, to failure and beyond and pushed their limits each workout. Great genetics + drugs + food + heavy, intense workouts = winning contests.
There is also a specific reason why I had certain conditions in place if you are running oral steroids in this protocol. If you are only taking 750mg's of test, for example, I would recommend a steady dose of orals everyday. If you are already an advanced bodybuilder with major muscle mass and are saturated with grams of steroids everyday you need a different growth catalyst because 50mg's of dbol daily is not going to do much more than perhaps add some water weight or increase glycogen retention and some strength. By blasting a very large dose of orals pre workout you will reap the immediate strength increase (which is why i suggest chewing or injecting them for fast release into blood stream) to push your limits for more muscle fiber damage and greater hormone levels during post workout anabolism.
Its basically the same concept as taking lantus and then pre workout humalog.
Furthermore, the major point of this is longevity. No matter the amount of drugs in your system, muscle building is a relatively slow process - especially getting pro competition winning huge. Sure, you could probably take 200mg dbol everyday for a year but you won't be in the game for long after that. By hyperdosing pre workout only and getting about 3 days of rest from the internal organ damage you can push the limits longer.
I don't think I'm following the logic here. Steroids, as I understand it, though there are subtle difference between the various types in regards to specifics, they all operate pretty much the same following the same general principles. They are all derivatives of testosterone, they promote protein synthesis and anabolism. As far as injectables and orals it's simply the delivery system. Injectable dbol and oral dbol pretty much have identical effects on the body differing perhaps in how it is metabolized in the body.
But now you are telling us that when you reach a certain level of injectable steroids "saturated with grams" as you say, now oral steroids, not injectables, but oral steroids, take on a different effect. For example, lets define "staturated with grams" as beginning at 3 grams of injectable anabolics. If you're at 750/wk injectables then the orals will behave like a typical steroid but when you reach the tipping point of say 3 grams of injectables now these oral won't do much for you except add water weight and increase glycogen retention but somehow the anabolism, the real muscle building properties which I thought was inherent in all steroids, is some how lost. How come this doesn't happen when you add to that 3 grams of injectables another gram or two of additional injectables? Why do oral steroids lose their anabolic properties when injectables reach a certain level except if you add them in huge dosages intermittently?
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LuvvsuNOT, This guy is an idiot Lol, this is a 'wannabe' can't you tell...
This is an entertainment forum, It has nothing to do with practical-chemical BodyBuilding.
This is where you'll find the answers you are looking for.
Thank me later :)
I don't think I'm following the logic here. Steroids, as I understand it, though there are subtle difference between the various types in regards to specifics, they all operate pretty much the same following the same general principles. They are all derivatives of testosterone, they promote protein synthesis and anabolism. As far as injectables and orals it's simply the delivery system. Injectable dbol and oral dbol pretty much have identical effects on the body differing perhaps in how it is metabolized in the body.
But now you are telling us that when you reach a certain level of injectable steroids "saturated with grams" as you say, now oral steroids, not injectables, but oral steroids, take on a different effect. For example, lets define "staturated with grams" as beginning at 3 grams of injectable anabolics. It you're at 750/wk then the orals will behave like a typical steroid but when you reach the tipping point of say 3 grams of injectables now these oral won't do much for you except add water weight and increase glycogen retention but somehow the anabolism, the real muscle building properties which I thought was inherent in all steroids, is some how lost. How come this doesn't happen when you add to that 3 grams of injectables another gram or two of additional injectables? Why do oral steroids lose their anabolic properties when injectable reach a certain level except if you add them in huge dosages intermittently?
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LuvvsuNOT, This guy is an idiot Lol, this is a 'wannabe' can't you tell...
This is an entertainment forum, It has nothing to do with practical-chemical BodyBuilding.
This is where you'll find the answers you are looking for.
Thank me later :)
I can't wait to learn what you have to teach! ::)
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BFG is spot on!
I train 4 days a week and take 100 mg's anadrol pre workout.
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BFG is spot on!
I train 4 days a week and take 100 mg's anadrol pre workout.
Yo b man, any idea who BFG actually is?
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some prohormones were legit. I remember Fizogen On. I got so big so fast on it. Must have been DBol mixed with Adrol and some superdrol thrown in.
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Yo b man, any idea who BFG actually is?
no but his info is pretty damn solid.
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LuvvsuNOT, This guy is an idiot Lol, this is a 'wannabe' can't you tell...
This is an entertainment forum, It has nothing to do with practical-chemical BodyBuilding.
This is where you'll find the answers you are looking for.
Thank me later :)
You're an idiot. BFG is SPOT ON.
There are those of us here ( myself, B-Boy, OTH, etc. ) that actually compete in mid-level / higher level comp. BFG knows what he's talkin' about.
End of story.
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no but his info is pretty damn solid.
BFG has posted many photos here. Dude gets real lean
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LuvvsuNOT, This guy is an idiot Lol, this is a 'wannabe' can't you tell...
This is an entertainment forum, It has nothing to do with practical-chemical BodyBuilding.
This is where you'll find the answers you are looking for.
Thank me later :)
can we ban this idiot spammer already ?
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no but his info is pretty damn solid.
Even this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=420400.msg6032144#msg6032144
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Even this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=420400.msg6032144#msg6032144
looks tasty
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As was said before, even in this thread. The biggest "secret" in bodybuilding is?! There are no secrets! No secret workout, no secret diet, no secret drug stack or any amount of drugs that will turn you into a pro or even make you resemble anything close to a pro. So many people just plain don't have the genetics to ever make it happen. Many "a HUGE amount on this board" people just can't accept that or refuse to accept that so they look for their Messiah to show them the way, to show them the secret and they treat that person as a genius. In the end, when they still look like shit, they take their aggressions out on those that can. Unfortunately, many of those that "can" also do stupid things and that just makes them an easier target.
Anyone that refuses to believe that genetics plays the single biggest role, is seriously disillusioned and often is beyond help. ;)
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As was said before, even in this thread. The biggest "secret" in bodybuilding is?! There are no secrets! No secret workout, no secret diet, no secret drug stack or any amount of drugs that will turn you into a pro or even make you resemble anything close to a pro. So many people just plain don't have the genetics to ever make it happen. Many "a HUGE amount on this board" people just can't accept that or refuse to accept that so they look for their Messiah to show them the way, to show them the secret and they treat that person as a genius. In the end, when they still look like shit, they take their aggressions out on those that can. Unfortunately, many of those that "can" also do stupid things and that just makes them an easier target.
Anyone that refuses to believe that genetics plays the single biggest role, is seriously disillusioned and often is beyond help. ;)
"Genetics" = A constitution capable of withstanding massive amounts of drugs. Of course there's no magic drug, it's just high dosages all of the time.
..Some people burn out or suffer health problems before they get to "that level". That's all. Those are the folks with "poor genetics."
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"Genetics" = A constitution capable of withstanding massive amounts of drugs. Of course there's no magic drug, it's just high dosages all of the time.
..Some people burn out or suffer health problems before they get to "that level". That's all. Those are the folks with "poor genetics."
This.
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Oh yes thanks for the clarification I was talking about Geneza Pharmaceuticals they are the only ones I know of now that still produce M1T and Superdrol. That's the one I found and frickin lost the site where I could get into Canada... was so dirt cheap too... as superdrol is in fact super dirt cheap to synthesized by kilo upon kilo lol.. always has been... Frickin need to find a source...
Hmm...
Oh back on topic though... I wonder what kind of supports do these pros that abuse orals as this level use??..
I mean... I know ursodeoxycholic acid and the tauro version are effective right? NAC is, milk thistle is usually thrown in. What else if anything?
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no but his info is pretty damn solid.
Says one of the biggest liars in Amatuer BodyBuilding.
He's a 'wannabe' and you're a bigger 'wannabe'. You make your living selling bunk gear. WANKER.
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"Genetics" = A constitution capable of withstanding massive amounts of drugs. Of course there's no magic drug, it's just high dosages all of the time.
..Some people burn out or suffer health problems before they get to "that level". That's all. Those are the folks with "poor genetics."
I partially agree with what you say. However it is much more than simply being able to "withstand" the drugs. It's
in no particular order
1. Your genetic shape. Your structure if you will.
2. Your ability to lose fat evenly and still maintain your muscle mass. Some people's body's will just not keep a lot of muscle mass no matter how many drugs they take when they lose too much bodyfat.
3. Your response to training and drugs. Generally those that respond very well to training will also respond extra well to the drugs.
4. Your ability to dedicate yourself and keep an extremely consistent workout schedule and eating schedule over a long period of time.
5. Your ability to withstand the drugs over a long period of time.
6. Luck.
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"Genetics" = A constitution capable of withstanding massive amounts of drugs. Of course there's no magic drug, it's just high dosages all of the time.
..Some people burn out or suffer health problems before they get to "that level" That's all..
lmao @ that's all
Probably have better chance of winning the lottery than making it to the higher ranks in bbing.
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Oh yes thanks for the clarification I was talking about Geneza Pharmaceuticals they are the only ones I know of now that still produce M1T and Superdrol. That's the one I found and frickin lost the site where I could get into Canada... was so dirt cheap too... as superdrol is in fact super dirt cheap to synthesized by kilo upon kilo lol.. always has been... Frickin need to find a source...
Hmm...
Oh back on topic though... I wonder what kind of supports do these pros that abuse orals as this level use??..
I mean... I know ursodeoxycholic acid and the tauro version are effective right? NAC is, milk thistle is usually thrown in. What else if anything?
Ursodeoxycholic acid and tauroursodeoxycholic acid are both very good. "Aegis" is a good supplement if pharm-grade ursodeoxycholic acid is not available. People on very heavy dosages should tend to aim for 1000mg+ per day of UDCA or TUDCA. Clinical doses, in hospital settings, are around 1600mg per day.
Some people in Europe use "Essentiale N.", which is a pharmaceutical preparation of antioxidants. That's very good stuff, but expensive and difficult to get in the USA.
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You're an idiot. BFG is SPOT ON.
There are those of us here ( myself, B-Boy, OTH, etc. ) that actually compete in mid-level / higher level comp. BFG knows what he's talkin' about.
End of story.
BFG is a fake. He's a 'wannabe'.. a Wanker, and I know this directly from the mod room @ GOH forums. Even LOJ himself said so, he stopped by and said to let BFG stay but take him for what he is: An AAS dealer and to watch him.... "not making funny business" in LOJ words.
This is disgrace to think this guy is anything more than a follower of LOJ like the rest of the lost boys here that got their ass kicked off GOH forums.
'Wannabe' Wankers!
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I partially agree with what you say. However it is much more than simply being able to "withstand" the drugs. It's
in no particular order
1. Your genetic shape. Your structure if you will.
2. Your ability to lose fat evenly and still maintain your muscle mass. Some people's body's will just not keep a lot of muscle mass no matter how many drugs they take when they lose too much bodyfat.
3. Your response to training and drugs. Generally those that respond very well to training will also respond extra well to the drugs.
4. Your ability to dedicate yourself and keep an extremely consistent workout schedule and eating schedule over a long period of time.
5. Your ability to withstand the drugs over a long period of time.
6. Luck.
I completely agree. The scale is a bit weighted, with #5 being (for most) the primary parameter... but the rest is also very important. It's certainly not easy to become a high-level bodybuilder. It's difficult and hazardous.
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Another great oral is DMZ -- dymeth -- superdrol deriative.
"Milder" but just as effective.
Another one is ultradrol or methylstenbolone or whatever its called. This one can still be found around.
I liked dmz. But superdrol is the oral king. Never tried M1t myself been curious for the longest time, pretty sure id blow up on that.
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i mean, if one can afford to down a 1000 pack of 5mg dbols daily, should he do it?
Slightly off-topic, imagine taking 1000 x 5mg dbols in a day...
Surely one would die, but how, why, exactly how would it happen...?
Any volunteers ?
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Even this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=420400.msg6032144#msg6032144
ask some of the pros that were ran around Venice beach, ask Titus, Tom prince and a few others about rec. Drugs in bodybuilding.
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i read in a "confession" book of alleged top athletes that some powerlifter took 500 in the morning and 500 in the evening,for one day only.
500tablets, not mgs.lol.
whatd happen, liver failure i think, quite sudden, not a slowly developed cirrhosis, i think after couple days, sudden death.
people come up with such great ideas ::)
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i read in a "confession" book of alleged top athletes that some powerlifter took 500 in the morning and 500 in the evening,for one day only.
500tablets, not mgs.lol.
whatd happen, liver failure i think, quite sudden, not a slowly developed cirrrhosis, i think after couple days, sudden death.
So he lived? I thought the liver toxicity would kill a person even if only taken one day. Definitely cirrhosis, some long term liver damage at the least
That powerlifter mustve had a high tolerance. Fucking nuts
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Oh yes thanks for the clarification I was talking about Geneza Pharmaceuticals they are the only ones I know of now that still produce M1T and Superdrol. That's the one I found and frickin lost the site where I could get into Canada... was so dirt cheap too... as superdrol is in fact super dirt cheap to synthesized by kilo upon kilo lol.. always has been... Frickin need to find a source...
Hmm...
Oh back on topic though... I wonder what kind of supports do these pros that abuse orals as this level use??..
I mean... I know ursodeoxycholic acid and the tauro version are effective right? NAC is, milk thistle is usually thrown in. What else if anything?
^^
IF you ever find that site again Private Message me, bro... I've seen Geneza BUT never been able to get any "inside Canada" supplier, and I'm in Canada. I don't want any problems w/Customs.
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ask some of the pros that were ran around Venice beach, ask Titus, Tom prince and a few others about rec. Drugs in bodybuilding.
Yea but come on, do you really see Heath and Cutler doing all this shit every day of their lives? Or Evan Centopani, the resident ifbb health freak?
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Yea but come on, do you really see Heath and Cutler doing all this shit every day of their lives?
That for me is one of the most surprising things. Sometimes it feels strange that I take steroids but I have never touched a rec drug of any kind "not even weed" at anytime in my life and I don't drink at all. However after talking with many steroids users both off and online over the years, I have learned that 80%+ "a conservative estimate" either did or do take rec drug and or had a severe rec drug or alcohol problem at one time.
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Yea but come on, do you really see Heath and Cutler doing all this shit every day of their lives? Or Evan Centopani, the resident ifbb health freak?
Not all, but some, yes. Try running high dose tren for a couple of months, for example, and see how your mental state fairs.
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That for me is one of the most surprising things. Sometimes it feels strange that I take steroids but I have never touched a rec drug of any kind "not even weed" at anytime in my life and I don't drink at all. However after talking with many steroids users both off and online over the years, I have learned that 80%+ "a conservative estimate" either did or do take rec drug and or had a severe rec drug or alcohol problem at one time.
Yea I am similar with never doing a rec drug once in my life (i drink though), yet take roids. I can see how steroids can become a gateway drug into worse things though. I just think that thread I linked is just too extreme
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Not all, but some, yes. Try running high dose tren for a couple of months, for example, and see how your mental state fairs.
What do you consider high? I've run 700mg per week for 9 months out of the year before.
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What do you consider high? I've run 700mg per week for 9 months out of the year before.
thats a high dose
did you build up a tolerance
what about insomnia and sweating
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thats a high dose
did you build up a tolerance
what about insomnia and sweating
Sort of. Don't really get insomnia but sweating never goes away no matter how long I do it. Cardio sucks too. I just started cruising but I think I will do the low test/high tren/high mast thing whenever I ever blast again and it won't be nearly as long. Not trying to get any bigger (which has been well documented here this past week)
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Sort of. Don't really get insomnia but sweating never goes away no matter how long I do it. Cardio sucks too. I just started cruising but I think I will do the low test/high tren/high mast thing whenever I ever blast again and it won't be nearly as long. Not trying to get any bigger (which has been well documented here this past week)
i wont run tren because of the sweating
i would drive to work and my shirt would be wet through by the time i got there
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i wont run tren because of the sweating
i would drive to work and my shirt would be wet through by the time i got there
Yea, I've had to put up with that all of last summer and even this winter. I've finally gotten sick of it. It's gross. I've worn more black shirts just to hide it and then my hair gets messed up from the sweating too
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tren rage and mental wear down is all hearsay.
some moron reads on the internet and thinks itll make him agressive blabla bc he read it on the internet.
tren has been shown to be much less androgenic than first believed.
its like when one sells fake dbols to kids containing nothing, and they go like"man,im so agressive i could kill ppl for loking at me"
Agreed. I act the same on tren as I do on anything else or nothing at all.
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yes, if anything, ppl get bit moody and short fused during hard dieting,low carbs etc, and most take tren during cutting, so yeah.
it makes one sweat, yeah, but so does t3 and efedrina.
tren is ok drug, brutally overrated, but if it didnt cause bitchtits id say its a top steroid overall.
I agree with your first two lines. The last line is where you lost me. Tren is definitely not overrated to me and doesn't cause bitch tits for most people. Usually people get it worse on dbol, test, or nandrolone. Tren gives the best look and allows you to have more freedom in your diet. Can be used for both size and cutting
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i know for a fact that denis wolf smokes loads of weed.
i also know that dennis james used extasy, absolute 100 percent sure.
I think Dennis James got kicked out of Thailand, I know he had some trouble selling ectasy down in Pattaya and was arrested, police are corrupt
in Thailand and money talks, not hard to buy your freedom (that includes murder), a friend owned a gym in Pattaya a few years ago and knew him, apparently he (james) is not a very
popular guy, as far as I know he's not in Thailand anymore, could be wrong on that though...
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I think Dennis James got kicked out of Thailand, I know he had some trouble selling ectasy down in Pattaya and was arrested, police are corrupt
in Thailand and money talks, not hard to buy your freedom (that includes murder), a friend owned a gym in Pattaya a few years ago and knew him, apparently he (james) is not a very
popular guy, as far as I know he's not in Thailand anymore, could be wrong on that though...
he is in germany
he got caught with a shitload of x in a sting and was asked to leave
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he is in germany
he got caught with a shitload of x in a sting and was asked to leave
A Farang (westerner) caught dealing ectasy in Thailand dosen't get asked to leave, guaranteed he was relieved of his money
before he got out...
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BFG is spot on!
I train 4 days a week and take 100 mg's anadrol pre workout.
b-boy can you outline the advantages/disadvantages of using orals on training days only compared to everyday and how the differance in results ?
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bump for educational purposes.
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Mg for mg oral steroids tend to be some of the most potent anabolics available. Oral steroids, especially in high doses, can have some of the nastiest side effects, though. The current trend in the higher echelons of competitive bodybuilding is very high doses orals, but used only on workout days, in one large dose pre workout. Many have seen that dosing their orals this way allows them to run much higher doses than they typically would but avoid most - if not all - of the negative side effects they typically would encounter from such doses if it was everyday, dosed throughout the day. Another major and equally important goal of this dosing protocol is to induce the highest possible blood levels of anabolics during and after a workout. While some may argue that growth does not just occur during and after a workout so it would be important to keep blood levels high all the time, the goal we are trying to achieve can be outlined in the following, with the following conditions explained:
Pre-Workout Oral Dosing Conditions (i.e. when would be a good time to start using this protocol?)
I. You are trying to build muscle (this is important...i.e, you are not pre contest just taking orals to fill out)
2. You are already on 2+ grams of steroids (at this point your receptors are going to be extremely saturated and running 50mg dbol daily probably will just put on water weight and increase glycogen storage NOT build muscle in the way that going from 500mg - 1 gram of test builds real hard muscle, bloat aside
If you meet these criteria, then its usually advised to start with something simple and easy like dbol. 100mg's of dbol chewed up or injected 90-120 mins pre workout only on workout days will provide peak hormone blood levels during and immediately post training as well as a good strength increase during the workout to promote greater muscle fiber damage from moving heavier weights, pushing out more reps, etc etc
Once you feel comfortable with dbol...move on to anadrol, start at 50 and build up to 100mg's in the same fashion. 100mg's pre workout anadrol is potent.
"Superdrol" is another popular pre workout oral at around 30-40mg's but it can be hard to find a quality lab with the product.
The most common and most effective blend is 100mg dbol 100mg anadrol 100mg TNE pre workout, dosed only on workout days.
Another major benefit to this protocol that top bodybuilders prefer is the length it can be run. Liver damage and overall internal organ stress is greatly diminished with the 3 or so off days where the orals are not dosed.
hmmm this is good. It makes sense that these orals could be used like this. And altho I dont meet all of the above criteria(overall dosages) I think even i can take from this.
Originally I had planned to just kickstart with superdrol or dbol for a few weeks but now I think I'll do a kickstart and then switch over to using it preworkout once or twice a week all the way through the cycle for lagging parts days.
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There are no secrets.
I would listen to this guy.
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Not all, but some, yes. Try running high dose tren for a couple of months, for example, and see how your mental state fairs.
This is what fucked me. I got fucked due to insomnia. I smoked weed for years to deal with the Insomnia and anxiety then I started taking valium to sleep and then progressed to xanax,then I started taking opiate based painkillers to numb out pain. When I got hit by that drunk bitch I already had a minor drug problem but that gave me a excuse to get my own prescriptions and then from their got real bad. 6 years later still on xanax daily and either (oxycodone Instant release) or subutex. I try to stay on the subutex but don"t get enough of it.
I get plenty of Oxy IR but get a very limited amount of subutex wich is way healthier alternative to opiate meds.
I think it is safe to blame steroids. The cycles that had Tren and Halo gave me Insomnia and anxiety no way to sleep without some kind of Benzodiazapam (human tranquilizer).
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Enlarged, blood filled cyst liver of peace.
Yeiiiiikkks!! ??? ???
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Take your orals with a handful of salt.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Take your orals with a handful of salt.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and 100% grapefruit juice
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and 100% grapefruit juice
serious?