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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on May 20, 2013, 08:21:33 PM
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What do you think this machine will do?
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games will still suck graphics will be better more animation on the screen and in background
still same 6 button controller
it wont be until 2018 they will actually consider a bigger controller when they start making more addictive complex games
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they just need to go full bore virtua reality so you dont need a controller
i remember at the arcade in the early 90s they had some virtual reality stuff
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I'm pretty excited for the new Microsoft console- (Just bring on more Red dead Revolver) I was a Sony fan at one point, but their Customer Care, ruined the brand for me,
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Still playing the games, huh? ::)
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I'll get both.
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Still playing the games, huh? ::)
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Hell yah!!! Will be watching the live stream tomorrow of the event!!!!
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Buy a new pc, they are already more powerful than the new Xbox will be
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What do you think this machine will do?
I have to save this thread. You play with consoles. This must be a gimmick.
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they just need to go full bore virtua reality so you dont need a controller
i remember at the arcade in the early 90s they had some virtual reality stuff
I have no idea why they haven't introduced VR to the public yet. The technology was in place like 20 years ago.
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My son is, so I am sure that I will be on the hook come Christmas.
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I have no idea why they haven't introduced VR to the public yet. The technology was in place like 20 years ago.
generation heme-iron is to blame
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I'm not 15 years old so I don't really give a fuck.
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I'm not 15 years old so I don't really give a fuck.
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not much for consoles.
only games woth playing on them over pc is sports and car games.
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Wait for the PS4 instead
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Wait for the PS4 instead
Do not like Sony as much. I have always been a Microsoft Man and supporter of Bill Gates. 8)
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Bill is a great businessman.
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal
1 PM.
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Do not like Sony as much. I have always been a Microsoft Man and supporter of Bill Gates. 8)
Sony took a beating on the last console, so much that the PS4 was never a guarantee.
I'm looking forward to the reveal today.
Outside of the increased power, expecting.......blu-ray, built in kinnect, expanded mulitmedia capabilities........TB sized HD?
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Bill is a great businessman.
Great human being and atheist too! No single person in the history of the world has given as much money to charity as he. They have eradicated Polio and are working on Malaria. Bill is also funding human Longevity studies.
Bill Gates was asked what was left in his bucket list and he answered “Don’t die…”
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Sony took a beating on the last console, so much that the PS4 was never a guarantee.
I'm looking forward to the reveal today.
Outside of the increased power, expecting.......blu-ray, built in kinnect, expanded mulitmedia capabilities........TB sized HD?
I think there will be some sort of special cloud capability and full internet. Something to set it apart from PS4. I am sure they have their hands on a PS4 and have dissected it and need to one up it.
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Wait for the PS4 instead
What I've read about the PS4 is that it's just gimmick bullshit about social networking and crap like that. Nothing about any real useful features.
I want a game where I can use my cock as a joystick but the game must only have levels that last 30 seconds max :P
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I think there will be some sort of special cloud capability and full internet. Something to set it apart from PS4. I am sure they have their hands on a PS4 and have dissected it and need to one up it.
Cloud is definite, since they have that now. Expecting and increased storage capacity there........
XBox Live is what really set them apart from Sony last time - I expect that to continue, and maybe another trick or two....
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I'm pretty excited for the new Microsoft console- (Just bring on more Red dead Revolver) I was a Sony fan at one point, but their Customer Care, ruined the brand for me,
Or maybe even a revamp of The Mad Dog McCree classic.
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I want to play goldeneye. EXACT same levels. only it'd be all real looking people, not so squared off.
anyone who has spent months playing that game every night can still view all those levels in their head. I still dream about those levels and haven't played it in 7-8 years.
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I want to play goldeneye. EXACT same levels. only it'd be all real looking people, not so squared off.
anyone who has spent months playing that game every night can still view all those levels in their head. I still dream about those levels and haven't played it in 7-8 years.
Good call Rob.
That was one of the sickest games for N64
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i expect it to be more about streaming movies and social networks than actual games
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i expect it to be more about streaming movies and social networks than actual games
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I`ve read that game developers aren`t quite ready to use the technology in either platform yet and aren`t really sure what to do with it. :-\
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Great human being and atheist too! No single person in the history of the world has given as much money to charity as he. They have eradicated Polio and are working on Malaria. Bill is also funding human Longevity studies.
Bill Gates was asked what was left in his bucket list and he answered “Don’t die…”
Yes he should be a saint, really. I am serious, he should be literally canonized. The "Catholics" (::)) will never allow this though.
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Anyone care to provide cliff notes on what they unveiled? I miss it. :(
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Anyone care to provide cliff notes on what they unveiled? I miss it. :(
Hasn`t happened yet. 1 PM.
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Can you post here? I have a meeting to attend shortly.
Instead of a better console, I would rather have better games. Borderlands 2 was the last great game I played. The last Gears of War was fun for 5 minutes. BioShock Infinity I played and took back the same day. Dead Island Riptide was fun to start with, but the game is designed for co-op play. You simply can't make it through on your own without having a nervous breakdown. And of course if you join a co-op it is full of nerdy kids using modded weapons to ruin the play.
There is a new FPS game coming out tomorrow. Metro or something like that. I have to check it out.
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Here is a live link
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal
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I want to play goldeneye. EXACT same levels. only it'd be all real looking people, not so squared off.
anyone who has spent months playing that game every night can still view all those levels in their head. I still dream about those levels and haven't played it in 7-8 years.
i sometimes used to still see the figures still moving in front of my eyes for a while after a long session on a video game a was particularly good at. this was back in the good old arcade days of course :)
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I`ve read that game developers aren`t quite ready to use the technology in either platform yet and aren`t really sure what to do with it. :-\
This is common to a point with new hardware.....it takes awhile for the developers to really reach the console's limits.
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Fuck the xbox charging me 60 dollars to play online when it is free on the playstation, playstation is the best i am a member of their playstation plus program where i pay 50 dollars a year and get free games every month.
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i am a member of their playstation plus program where i pay 50 dollars a year and get free games every month.
You must be a beast.
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Fuck the xbox charging me 60 dollars to play online when it is free on the playstation, playstation is the best i am a member of their playstation plus program where i pay 50 dollars a year and get free games every month.
Playstation network was free and it behaved that way. They got wiped out online.
Also, a year of Live was routinely 35-40, about 3.50 a month.
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Here is a live link
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal
Fucking EA Sports ::)
If it's in the game, we don't put it in our games!
Ignite vs a Real Physics Engine ::)
Fuck EA!
Fucking Disneyland Eye Candy Engine. ::)
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Fucking EA Sports ::)
If it's in the game, we don't put it in our games!
Ignite vs a Real Physics Engine ::)
Fuck EA!
Nobody cares already. Start an EA thread if it's that important.
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Tv-Don`t care
ESPN-Don`t Care
Sports games-Don`t Care
So far shit. :D
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Tv-Don`t care
ESPN-Don`t Care
Sports games-Don`t Care
So far shit. :D
I don't think you'll see much in the way of games until E3.
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The TV-Centric shit is just retarded in my opinion.
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The Controller doesn`t seem to be that different or as good as the new PS4.
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The TV-Centric shit is just retarded in my opinion.
I liked the snap browser part.
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I liked the snap browser part.
What for?
I didn`t realize that people still liked paying for Television. ???
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This is bordering on Idiocracy at this point with all the "Television" bullshit.
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The Controller doesn`t seem to be that different or as good as the new PS4.
Controller was near perfect to begin with, so I'm OK with that.
PS controllers still don't have offset thumbsticks, which is not as comfortable to me.
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So it sucks, is that the general summary TA?
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So it sucks, is that the general summary TA?
Can`t say for sure, but if you like television a whole lot, you will like it. :-\
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What for?
I didn`t realize that people still liked paying for Television. ???
I pay for television, and like the idea of being able to swap to the net. I have no idea if I will actually do this, since i have iPads, iPhones, etc....but I thought it was cool.
I'll buy the XBox to play games primarily, the other stuff is just a bonus, but I currently have an extra one instead of another cable box.
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WOW Halo Television Show. ::)
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More Sports Watching on TV/Xbox Bullshit Now. Man this is getting bad.
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This sucks.
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"Real Time Fantasy Football"
WHAT THE FUCK is Fantasy Football? Its already homoerotic enough, now this? What the hell is Fantasy football? ???
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This was complete garbage.
I thought I would never say it, by Playstation might literally PWN this shit out of Xbox.
That was really shit.
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Wow, Call of Duty.
Another game I don`t play or like.
Shit. Shit. Shit.
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The dog in Call of Duty looks cool though. :)
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Graphics are impressive when compared to old.
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I`d consider playing that Call of Duty actually. Looks to be way different than the usual and they hired Stephen Gaghan, Oscar winning Screenwriter for Traffic and Syriana. I think it will be very good actually. Especially for the dog. :D
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Does the new Xbox have steroids in it?
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TA - legit queston - what were you hoping this system would do?
For me, it was pretty much what I expected, give or take a few things. But I couldn't watch much of the feed at work.
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Wow, Call of Duty.
Another game I don`t play or like.
Shit. Shit. Shit.
What is wrong with you? COD is the only game i play.
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What is wrong with you? COD is the only game i play.
If you're not into multiplayer, CoD isn't the greatest....
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If you're not into multiplayer, CoD isn't the greatest....
Is it because of the lag time? I know COD isn't any where near WOW or similar games, but that's not my thing anyway.
Mainly, i like single player games, prince of Persia, need4speed, midnight club, and other single shooter games.
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What microsoft does not get is when people buy a console they are thinking about playing games not watching tv, so when you start to focus on tv and not on games you lose the hardcore gamer, look what happen to nintendo with the wii they ignore the hardcore gamer and now nobody is buying the wii u.
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TA - legit queston - what were you hoping this system would do?
For me, it was pretty much what I expected, give or take a few things. But I couldn't watch much of the feed at work.
I was hoping for more internet connectivity. Instead you get more Television connectivity.
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What microsoft does not get is when people buy a console they are thinking about playing games not watching tv, so when you start to focus on tv and not on games you lose the hardcore gamer, look what happen to nintendo with the wii they ignore the hardcore gamer and now nobody is buying the wii u.
This
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8Gb RAM, en åttakärnig processor, Blu-Ray spelare, 3.0 USB och HDMI. Med den lanseras en ny kontroller och nya Kinect.
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80 lb VCR from 1984. ;D I kid. I kid.
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Anyone care to provide cliff notes on what they unveiled? I miss it. :(
Here is a summary for you:
Innovation, ground breaking, "hyperbolic words"
Multitasking
Internet Explorer, TV, Skype, and maybe it plays games
Kinect stuff
Shows console, imposseeblay!
Exploding console and controller
Blu-ray!
Big tech numbers, windows 8 in my console (snap mode)
Smart Glass
Match making stuffs
EA
Sports dubstep trailer, wub wub wub
Fort-Za Cars! OMG!
The Quantumest breaking!
15 Exclusive Games!
More television!
Woman, hawut!
It's the next water cooler!
Haloz!!?!!!1
More gurlz?
Wahhhhh, Steven Spielberg making teh Halos???
More Fantasy Sports!
More Footballing!
Magic and Science!
"Around the world... later this year"
I CAN'T believe they showed CAAALLLLS oF Doooty!?!
Shoooty, shooty, bang, bang! Motion capture DOGS! Fluid dynamics! Dynamic, dynamic, dynamic!
Creepy floating arms
First 'gameplay' shown an hour into the video
No one was playing it, cinematic trailer only...
Countdown... 19 days.
The end.
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Hopefully you get to play that new Call of Duty from the Dog`s perspective. That would be the greatest game ever if it was also narrated from the Dog`s point of view.
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/332b8za.jpg)
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NES was awesome.
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What microsoft does not get is when people buy a console they are thinking about playing games not watching tv, so when you start to focus on tv and not on games you lose the hardcore gamer, look what happen to nintendo with the wii they ignore the hardcore gamer and now nobody is buying the wii u.
While your point has merit, Microsoft totally gets this and, as they stated before the conference, will focus on games at E3.
The Wii is a horrible example to make your point about ignoring the hardcore gamer, since it was one of the most successful consoles ever. It's the Wii U that's a flop.
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Check this SHIT out:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-has-preowned-fee-6408671
Xbox One has preowned fee
Microsoft confirms all discs must be installed to HDD to play; secondhand owners must pay an unspecified fee.
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Xbox One: One Game for One Person.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/
Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
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Xbox One won't be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games
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Xbox One won't be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games
Interesting.....and surprising......intitial thoughts are....not liking this.
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This can`t be good:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/bfnqip.jpg)
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Interesting.....and surprising......intitial thoughts are....not liking this.
The worst part is the Used Game Fee they plan to make you pay and requiring you to install the game to the HDD. WTF is that all about? ???
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i expect it to be more about streaming movies and social networks than actual games
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just as i predicted
if you want a gaming console get ps4, if you want a console that does everything your tv and computer already do get xbox one (horrible name)
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-may-have-mandatory-game-installs
Xbox One May Have Mandatory Game Installs
And playing on more than one machine could cost you.
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Sounds like Microsoft hired the same people who crafted the ObamaCare Legislation. :)
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So xbox wants people to pay to play used games well they will be losing a lot of customers to the ps4 since it allows you to play used games for free.
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Here is another gem:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-without-kinect-attached
Xbox One Will Not Function Without Kinect Attached
Xbox's UK marketing director has said that without Kinect connected, Xbox One will not function.
"Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes," he said.
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Here is a summary for you:
Innovation, ground breaking, "hyperbolic words"
Multitasking
Internet Explorer, TV, Skype, and maybe it plays games
Kinect stuff
Shows console, imposseeblay!
Exploding console and controller
Blu-ray!
Big tech numbers, windows 8 in my console (snap mode)
Smart Glass
Match making stuffs
EA
Sports dubstep trailer, wub wub wub
Fort-Za Cars! OMG!
The Quantumest breaking!
15 Exclusive Games!
More television!
Woman, hawut!
It's the next water cooler!
Haloz!!?!!!1
More gurlz?
Wahhhhh, Steven Spielberg making teh Halos???
More Fantasy Sports!
More Footballing!
Magic and Science!
"Around the world... later this year"
I CAN'T believe they showed CAAALLLLS oF Doooty!?!
Shoooty, shooty, bang, bang! Motion capture DOGS! Fluid dynamics! Dynamic, dynamic, dynamic!
Creepy floating arms
First 'gameplay' shown an hour into the video
No one was playing it, cinematic trailer only...
Countdown... 19 days.
The end.
It was a 60 minute reveal of hardware and features which is exactly what Microsoft said it would be. Games and expansion of features etc. will come at E3, I will wait to pass judgement at that time.
I like the features, the OS quickness and the actual design of the console. Dual Band N wireless, HDMI In/Out and USB 3.0 are pretty solid. It will have all the internet connectivity you will need and be able to do some things with your TV. Price still needs to be given, release date as well but that will come at E3, most likely. No real depth about the actual silicon, CU's, bandwidth etc, that has me worried...but we didn't get all that much from Sony, either.
I thought the increase in servers from 15k (now) to 300k for Xbox One was pretty awesome, they even mentioned the ability to use that processing power to aid processing for games and such. We will see if it actually is able to be implemented.
Games and more depth at E3.
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This might be the worst system since the Virtual Boy if all of these things pan out and it looks like they will. :-\
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Interesting.....and surprising......intitial thoughts are....not liking this.
Two different architectures, 360-PowerPc In Order vs Xbox One X86 Out of Order. You would either need an emulator which is probably not possible to create and make stable or you need to include the 360 architecture on an SoC inside the new Xbox One, which would drive cost up quite a bit....ask Sony how the latter worked for the PS3.
If you want to play old Xbox 360 games then just keep your old system.
As for Kinect....why is this shocking? It comes with the system and can be used to navigate/interact with the machine. It would be crap if it was required but wasn't included but this isn't the case.
As for the used game thing....I dunno, I don't like it but game makers were already doing the "OnLine Pass" stuff for the last 2 years or so, still sucks. Although, I read that you only have to pay a fee if you install it on the HD and play without the disc, if you install and use the disc to play you won't have to pay. That may be wrong but it would at least piss me off less. Remember, Sony didn't reveal anything about used game use either, if the publishers push for it you can be sure they will have something similar, especially if MS does it first.
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This might be the worst system since the Virtual Boy if all of these things pan out and it looks like they will. :-\
Your post hits me like a Tsunami of hyperbole.
Refreshing.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-shares-leap-8-percent-after-xbox-one-announcement-6408677
Sony shares leap 8 percent after Xbox One announcement
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Sony shares are already up by 10% now
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Two different architectures, 360-PowerPc In Order vs Xbox One X86 Out of Order. You would either need an emulator which is probably not possible to create and make stable or you need to include the 360 architecture on an SoC inside the new Xbox One, which would drive cost up quite a bit....ask Sony how the latter worked for the PS3.
If you want to play old Xbox 360 games then just keep your old system.
As for Kinect....why is this shocking? It comes with the system and can be used to navigate/interact with the machine. It would be crap if it was required but wasn't included but this isn't the case.
As for the used game thing....I dunno, I don't like it but game makers were already doing the "OnLine Pass" stuff for the last 2 years or so, still sucks. Although, I read that you only have to pay a fee if you install it on the HD and play without the disc, if you install and use the disc to play you won't have to pay. That may be wrong but it would at least piss me off less. Remember, Sony didn't reveal anything about used game use either, if the publishers push for it you can be sure they will have something similar, especially if MS does it first.
I never said Kinnect was shocking, in fact, I said it was expected. If you read the thread, I'm all for this system, and, as you said, realized the games will be empahsized at E3. This was just one aspect I didn't care for, but understand. While I don't like it, backwards compatibility is overrated anyway.
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just as i predicted
if you want a gaming console get ps4, if you want a console that does everything your tv and computer already do get xbox one (horrible name)
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Yeah - trust the company that made that very mistake last gen by thinking people wanted a $600 blu ray player that also played video games.
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I think Valve`s Steambox might be something worth looking into.
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I want to play goldeneye. EXACT same levels. only it'd be all real looking people, not so squared off.
anyone who has spent months playing that game every night can still view all those levels in their head. I still dream about those levels and haven't played it in 7-8 years.
Goldeneye was a awesome game, awesome leveldesign for both multiplayer and single.. ah the memories...
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I never said Kinnect was shocking, in fact, I said it was expected. I'm all for this system, and, as you said, realized the games will be empahsized at E3. This was just one aspect I didn't care for, but understand.
The Kinect thing was a general response not so much directed at you, GrapeApe, no worries though.
I'm pretty excited for Sony and Microsoft's E3 circus, should be fun. If both are priced right I will probably pick up both.
Both consoles are certainly taking 2 differing approaches to the living room, though.
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They are overdoing it. I just want the realistic gaming experience or VR. Instead they build this One World Devil machine
I wonder how much DARPA/CIA had to black budget pay Microsoft for unmitigated back end access?
Now they will research their lab rats even more intensely.
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The Kinect thing was a general response not so much directed at you, GrapeApe, no worries though.
I'm pretty excited for Sony and Microsoft's E3 circus, should be fun. If both are priced right I will probably pick up both.
Both consoles are certainly taking 2 differing approaches to the living room, though.
Agreed. I picked up both last time, but ended up selling the PS3 after finishing MGS4 and God of War 3, and getting another XBox. I'll keep an open mind this time and probably do the same again. Visually, I was hoping for something a little more funky thank the big rectangle.
Did they mention price for this? I was guessing it would be in the $400 range, but didn't see anything. Did they mention versions, or will there be only one?
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I think Valve`s Steambox might be something worth looking into.
Lol, just build your own, I built something identical a few days ago
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Microsoft will never be able to shake Apple, whether it be lurking in the shadows...
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ods10jpan44jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)
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any shots of the graphics
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any shots of the graphics
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Agreed. I picked up both last time, but ended up selling the PS3 after finishing MGS4 and God of War 3, and getting another XBox. I'll keep an open mind this time and probably do the same again. Visually, I was hoping for something a little more funky thank the big rectangle.
Did they mention price for this? I was guessing it would be in the $400 range, but didn't see anything. Did they mention versions, or will there be only one?
I feel OK with the design, they had to design something that would not look totally out of place in an entertainment center, could have proper venting in a confined space and could stack well with other things. After the previous PS3 design and the 360....I'm ok with this, looks mature and solid. Love the USB 3.0 ports as well, I'm hoping MS doesn't be a bunch of cock suckers and only allow propriety HD's to be used with the Xbox One....they probably will, though.
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I feel OK with the design, they had to design something that would not look totally out of place in an entertainment center, could have proper venting in a confined space and could stack well with other things. After the previous PS3 design and the 360....I'm ok with this, looks mature and solid. Love the USB 3.0 ports as well, I'm hoping MS doesn't be a bunch of cock suckers and only allow propriety HD's to be used with the Xbox One....they probably will, though.
Propriety HDs are a lock, I would think.
Wonder if they'll ever turn it into a Tivo.
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I will be purchasing the new Xbox One
Even with no backwards compatibility and the whole used games issue, I don't care, just take my money Microsoft! :)
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Thank god they kept the controller relatively the same. I sold my Ps3 because i hated the controller.
Day 1 buy for me.
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Hopefully you get to play that new Call of Duty from the Dog`s perspective. That would be the greatest game ever if it was also narrated from the Dog`s point of view.
dog with a blog.
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Goldeneye was a awesome game, awesome leveldesign for both multiplayer and single.. ah the memories...
one day, i hope to battle you in a PS4 version of the game. I call "Odd Job"!
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lol Xbox
I love how one of the selling points is internet explorer ::)
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lol Xbox
I love how one of the selling points is internet explorer ::)
"XBOX, Show me Internet Explorer"- Said no one ever
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lol Xbox
I love how one of the selling points is internet explorer ::)
My favorite part was, "And with the new AI, the fish swim away when you move towards them."
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Does it have to be online all the time now?
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Does it have to be online all the time now?
No.
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Does it have to be online all the time now?
No.
It seems to me that it will work much like Steam, in the respect.
Validation and then you can play off line.
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one day, i hope to battle you in a PS4 version of the game. I call "Odd Job"!
All of the subsequent remakes of Goldeneye have failed.
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great reveal, bunch of stuff no one gives a shit about ::)
and lol @ grape ape saying the ps3 was a disaster... it's probably outsold the 360 at this point, and if not, is quite close.
so far the single biggest piece of news that i've heard is ps4 is going to use x86 architecture, no more cell bullshit. i think sony learned a lot from last gen, and are eager to reclaim the first place spot.
if anything, i predict the race will be quite even, again, this round, between the xbox one (retarded name, btw) and ps4.
nintendo has COMPLETELY lost the plot with their wiiu bullshit. i sincerely hope they drop out of the console race this generation, and team up with sony, MS, or both very soon.
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great reveal, bunch of stuff no one gives a shit about ::)
and lol @ grape ape saying the ps3 was a disaster... it's probably outsold the 360 at this point, and if not, is quite close.
so far the single biggest piece of news that i've heard is ps4 is going to use x86 architecture, no more cell bullshit. i think sony learned a lot from last gen, and are eager to reclaim the first place spot.
if anything, i predict the race will be quite even, again, this round, between the xbox one (retarded name, btw) and ps4.
nintendo has COMPLETELY lost the plot with their wiiu bullshit. i sincerely hope they drop out of the console race this generation, and team up with sony, MS, or both very soon.
Both sold about 77 million consoles , ironic Xbox 360 tried hard to be the PS3 with all the features when they ' updated ' it , the only real advantage Xbox had was Live
PS4 seems to be more interesting especially with no load times and the ability to play demos before they are downloaded
In the end Xbox owners will by the One and The Sony owners will buy the PS4 , although Microsoft is gonna turn off a LOT of loyal customers with this used game bullshit
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i hate the Shitbox. singlehandedly ruined a whole generation of gaming. i'm only 25 but i remember the day when games were actually GOOD and developers put effort into making them unique, fun and original instead of just throwing together some half-assed POS and with shiny graphics and an expensive ad campaign in the hopes of appealing to a bunch of knuckle-dragging teens.
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great reveal, bunch of stuff no one gives a shit about ::)
and lol @ grape ape saying the ps3 was a disaster... it's probably outsold the 360 at this point, and if not, is quite close.
Who said anything about sales, let alone their comparison to other consoles as the measurement for disaster?
Either way, they sold about the same, but Microsoft did it in two markets, to Sony's three.
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Who said anything about sales, let alone their comparison to other consoles as the measurement for disaster?
Either way, they sold about the same, but Microsoft did it in two markets, to Sony's three.
the point is, it wasn't a disaster.
rocky start, but did fine in the end. and now it looks like the pendulum is swinging back sony's direction...
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the point is, it wasn't a disaster.
rocky start, but did fine in the end. and now it looks like the pendulum is swinging back sony's direction...
So you're of the belief that the PS3 had a positive impact on Sony?
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So you're of the belief that the PS3 had a positive impact on Sony?
I dont even think they made any money on the consoles. They were losing money on every unit sold for at least the first few years.
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I dont even think they made any money on the consoles. They were losing money on every unit sold for at least the first few years.
At the beginning they weren't but they did turn a profit. The first consoles cost Sony $800 to build and were selling for $599
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So you're of the belief that the PS3 had a positive impact on Sony?
That hack were all users info was compromised sure as fuck didn't. I think they had a rocky start and it came around towards the end , I still don't think the full capability of the system was utilized and they made a lot of mistakes
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That hack were all users info was compromised sure as fuck didn't. I think they had a rocky start and it came around towards the end , I still don't think the full capability of the system was utilized and they made a lot of mistakes
that happens all the time though, happened with Steam and you don't see everyone jumping ship. i'm pretty sure it happened to xbox too at some point. fact is most companies really don't have a whole lot in the way of tech security.
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That hack were all users info was compromised sure as fuck didn't. I think they had a rocky start and it came around towards the end , I still don't think the full capability of the system was utilized and they made a lot of mistakes
Regardless, I don't think the console had a positive overall impact, in fact, I believe it was pretty bad.
Either way, when you consider the built in user base from the wildly successful PS2, coupled with the fact that Sony dominates Japan no matter what, it fell way short of expectations. This generation was theirs to lose, and they lost it.
I owned both consoles, and am not a Sony hater. Microsoft and Nintendo just beat them.
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Regardless, I don't think the console had a positive overall impact, in fact, I believe it was pretty bad.
Either way, when you consider the built in user base from the wildly successful PS2, coupled with the fact that Sony dominates Japan no matter what, it fell way short of expectations. This generation was theirs to lose, and they lost it.
I owned both consoles, and am not a Sony hater. Microsoft and Nintendo just beat them.
Regardless, I don't think the console had a positive overall impact, in fact, I believe it was pretty bad.
Positive impact? maybe not , bad? No.
Either way, when you consider the built in user base from the wildly successful PS2, coupled with the fact that Sony dominates Japan no matter what, it fell way short of expectations. This generation was theirs to lose, and they lost it.
I agree the PS3 didn't replicate the success of the PS2 and I think you're right about falling short of expectations which is why I said I don't think the PS3's full capabilities were fully utilized
I owned both consoles, and am not a Sony hater. Microsoft and Nintendo just beat them.
Beat them how? sales? Microsoft didn't they sold about the same amount of units , I think the PS3 is a better system and Live being the better online experience but you have to pay for it.
Microsoft payed out over $1 billion dollars to fix the problems with the RROD , I don't think that's beating Sony on any level and that made Microsoft look really bad , at first they denied responsibility for failures then it got to a point of 33% of Xbox's were failing and they had to address that issue , the original failures with the Xbox was due to rush to production to beat the PS3
Then the whole HD Dvd debacle , and if you look now the new Xbox elites copied a lot of features directly from the PS3 , out of the 3 Nintendo came out looking the best with the Wii. Like I said at this point Mircosoft isn't swaying any potential Sony users or vice-versa , although I think that whole you have to pay Microsoft to play used games may turn people off but probably not , people will bend over I know lots of people who got another Xbox after the RROD and when that one died bought another.
We'll have to see what Microsoft does in terms of gaming with the new system , so far the PS4 seems more interesting.
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I just buy them all.
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Regardless, I don't think the console had a positive overall impact, in fact, I believe it was pretty bad.
Either way, when you consider the built in user base from the wildly successful PS2, coupled with the fact that Sony dominates Japan no matter what, it fell way short of expectations. This generation was theirs to lose, and they lost it.
I owned both consoles, and am not a Sony hater. Microsoft and Nintendo just beat them.
because the PS3 didn't perform like the PS2, it was a failure ::)
microsoft stepped up and provided serious competition... sony did fine; expecting a repeat performance of the PS2 is just silly. with the PS1 and PS2 sony took advantage of their competitors' oversights (catering to developers and optical disks), with the xbox360 microsoft did a bit of the same (by offering great online services and catering to developers). neither in terms of profits or product quality can the PS3 be viewed as some sort of catastrophic failure -- only due to its loss of marketshare, which was pretty much inevitable unless microsoft and nintendo decided to roll over and play dead.
and you say nintendo beat them? the wii may have outsold the ps3 and xbox, but somehow i doubt the profits were hugely higher. without looking at any figures, i'm almost sure the software sales were abysmal. nintendo lost the "traditional gamer" market, and even lost the so-called "casual market" of which they were so proud (hello smart phones). the wiiu is shaping up to be an unbelievable disaster... how that piece of shit could EVER make it to production is absolutely mind-boggling. talk about a complete loss of touch with reality. they might have made a lot of money last generation, but in doing so they wound up in a horrible position.
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Like I said at this point Mircosoft isn't swaying any potential Sony users or vice-versa , although I think that whole you have to pay Microsoft to play used games may turn people off but probably not , people will bend over I know lots of people who got another Xbox after the RROD and when that one died bought another.
just look at the responses, lol
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560761
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561013
amongst videogame forum posters, the response to xbox one is overwhelmingly negative
same with wiiu
ps4 is lukewarm
just look at this shit:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560535
i bet, in the end, the PS4 and xbox one (ffs i hate typing that) will split the market again, with the wiiu disappearing into oblivion, but at this point the hype is definitely NOT with MS.
(http://i.minus.com/jboraj9C4qiKNk.png)
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because the PS3 didn't perform like the PS2, it was a failure ::)
Who said that's the reason?
It's a failure because Sony lost 5 billion dollars on the console, and a shit ton of market share to Microsoft, despite Microsoft only selling in 2 markets vs. Sony's 3 and Sony having a ridiculously high embedded user base. That's a failure.
microsoft stepped up and provided serious competition... sony did fine; expecting a repeat performance of the PS2 is just silly. with the PS1 and PS2 sony took advantage of their competitors' oversights (catering to developers and optical disks), with the xbox360 microsoft did a bit of the same (by offering great online services and catering to developers). neither in terms of profits or product quality can the PS3 be viewed as some sort of catastrophic failure -- only due to its loss of marketshare, which was pretty much inevitable unless microsoft and nintendo decided to roll over and play dead.
Can you provide the profits over the life cycle of the PS3 to support your claim that sony did "fine".
and you say nintendo beat them? the wii may have outsold the ps3 and xbox, but somehow i doubt the profits were hugely higher. without looking at any figures, i'm almost sure the software sales were abysmal. nintendo lost the "traditional gamer" market, and even lost the so-called "casual market" of which they were so proud (hello smart phones). the wiiu is shaping up to be an unbelievable disaster... how that piece of shit could EVER make it to production is absolutely mind-boggling. talk about a complete loss of touch with reality. they might have made a lot of money last generation, but in doing so they wound up in a horrible position.
Why are you "sure" that Wii software sales were abysmal and doubt that profits were high for the Wii? In other words, you're taking your guesses as fact, when they're not correct. I've followed the console wars for most of the life cycles of these consoles. I didn't guess at anything, I followed NPD data to see sales (not shipped), market share etc.....
Yeah, the Wii was a shitty console and a gimmick, but it was a wildly successful shitty gimmick. The Wii U IS going to flop, but it's not because of the Wii.
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Positive impact? maybe not , bad? No.
It's really bad.
Microsoft payed out over $1 billion dollars to fix the problems with the RROD , I don't think that's beating Sony on any level and that made Microsoft look really bad , at first they denied responsibility for failures then it got to a point of 33% of Xbox's were failing and they had to address that issue , the original failures with the Xbox was due to rush to production to beat the PS3
This was all by design to grab market share from Sony, and it worked beautifully. They knew the consoles would RRoD. It obviously had minimal impact when you look at the final numbers.
We'll have to see what Microsoft does in terms of gaming with the new system , so far the PS4 seems more interesting.
All subjective and personal preference. I wasn't overwhelmed by MS's presser today, but a ton more data will be available over the next few months.
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Who said that's the reason?
It's a failure because Sony lost 5 billion dollars on the console, and a shit ton of market share to Microsoft, despite Microsoft only selling in 2 markets vs. Sony's 3 and Sony having a ridiculously high embedded user base. That's a failure.
Can you provide the profits over the life cycle of the PS3 to support your claim that sony did "fine".
can YOU? please show me where they lost 5 billion dollars, and i'll shut up. microsoft got the drop on sony with a 1 year head start, so much for "embedded user base"... and where did they end up? sony is looking, by all accounts, in a pretty good position at the end of the generation, neck and neck with microsoft, and poised to pull ahead. i don't consider that a failure.
Why are you "sure" that Wii software sales were abysmal and doubt that profits were high for the Wii? In other words, you're taking your guesses as fact, when they're not correct. I've followed the console wars for most of the life cycles of these consoles. I didn't guess at anything, I followed NPD data to see sales (not shipped), market share etc.....
Yeah, the Wii was a shitty console and a gimmick, but it was a wildly successful shitty gimmick. The Wii U IS going to flop, but it's not because of the Wii.
and what does the NPD data say about the wii software sales? that they're shitty, right? the wiiu is going to flop, because nintendo lucked out with their batshit insane "wii" concept, which gave them the confidence to go ahead with an even more batshit insane "wiiu" concept.
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can YOU? please show me where they lost 5 billion dollars, and i'll shut up.
Understand I've been through this discussion over the years, and have followed the industry via online sources like NPD, through a friend who works at Microsoft, and a couple of friends who are completely obsessed with this shit. Most of the data I quote is from memory, but a quick google shows this article.
http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/
Now, granted, that's from 2010 but there's been tons more like it. If you've followed Sony's investor relations reporting, they have continued to struggle since.
EDIT: Found this article from Kotaku in 2013: http://kotaku.com/5973498/weapons-of-mass-disruption-3-how-and-why-consoles-will-die
According to Cousins’ report on Kotaku, Microsoft has spent some $2.996bn on Xbox 360 since it launched in 2005, while Sony has fared worse, spending $4.951 billion on PS3. Both figures are a loss, and you can see an overview of both company’s losses in Cousins’s financial table here.
Even if you feel like data mining and the numbers turn out to be different, I wouldn't change my position. Being a leader in Market share and then getting blasted by two separate companies in that context is a disaster.
The losses between the two can't be viewed without context. This guys sums it up best about Microsoft's losses relative to Sony's. It's an old article from 1UP that says Sony could lose more on the PS3 than they made on the PS2.
He (and DFC) predict Sony will extend this generation even longer than the PS2's because of this (making Sony's claims of 10-year life cycle a real possibility). Of course, the Xbox 360, especially considering its $1 billion in replacement costs for faulty hardware, has likely cost Microsoft just as much, if not more. But Microsoft's entire foray into the videogame business has been a costly multi-billion dollar investment (Microsoft lost $4 billion on its original Xbox alone), whereas Sony's games division has only recently been forced to spend so heavily to hold on to its status in the games market (and to force the adoption of an HD media standard).
microsoft got the drop on sony with a 1 year head start, so much for "embedded user base"... and where did they end up? sony is looking, by all accounts, in a pretty good position at the end of the generation, neck and neck with microsoft, and poised to pull ahead. i don't consider that a failure.
Microsoft got the drop BECAUSE of the embedded user base, and the strategy worked brilliantly. How are they poised to pull ahead? Based on their press conferences?
and what does the NPD data say about the wii software sales? that they're shitty, right? the wiiu is going to flop, because nintendo lucked out with their batshit insane "wii" concept, which gave them the confidence to go ahead with an even more batshit insane "wiiu" concept.
No sense in arguing the Wii, since we generally agree. But, to your own point, if a console had shitty software sales, why would it give Nintendo the "confidence" to go with even shittier Wii U?
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Understand I've been through this discussion over the years, and have followed the industry via online sources like NPD, through a friend who works at Microsoft, and a couple of friends who are completely obsessed with this shit. Most of the data I quote is from memory, but a quick google shows this article.
http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/
Now, granted, that's from 2010 but there's been tons more like it. If you've followed Sony's investor relations reporting, they have continued to struggle since.
EDIT: Found this article from Kotaku in 2013: http://kotaku.com/5973498/weapons-of-mass-disruption-3-how-and-why-consoles-will-die
Even if you feel like data mining and the numbers turn out to be different, I wouldn't change my position. Being a leader in Market share and then getting blasted by two separate companies in that context is a disaster.
The losses between the two can't be viewed without context. This guys sums it up best about Microsoft's losses relative to Sony's. It's an old article from 1UP that says Sony could lose more on the PS3 than they made on the PS2.
in other words: "not really."
Microsoft got the drop BECAUSE of the embedded user base, and the strategy worked brilliantly. How are they poised to pull ahead? Based on their press conferences?
yes. they may pull ahead, or they may not, and of course we'll learn a lot more very soon, but at this point it's easy to see where the prevailing winds are blowing.
No sense in arguing the Wii, since we generally agree. But, to your own point, if a console had shitty software sales, why would it give Nintendo the "confidence" to go with even shittier Wii U?
i don't know: first party software sold decently, they didn't give a shit, they're clearly insane? who knows... for the better part of the past decade, the company has completely lost touch with reality, in no small part due to the fluke success of the wii/ds.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Microsoft clarifies Xbox One used game stance
May 21, 2013 4:47PM PDT
Eddie Makuch
By Eddie Makuch, News Editor
Xbox maker acknowledges "confusion" exists around secondhand games for next-gen platform, doesn't deny fee will be required to play secondhand titles.
Microsoft has clarified its stance on used games as it relates to the Xbox One, the company's next-generation platform.
Writing on his blog, Microsoft director of Xbox Live programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb acknowledged that some "confusion" over used games on the next-gen platform has arisen today.
"We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed today," Hryb said. "While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail."
"Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios."
Earlier today, a Wired report claimed the Xbox One would require secondhand users pay a fee to play used games. Hryb did not deny this in his statement today, saying only that there will be no fee for those who play their games at a friend's house, provided they sign in to their profile.
"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house--should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile," he said.
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Microsoft is taking a HELL of a BEATING online right now. LOLOLOL Well Deserved I might add.
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wow, yet another blatant money grab from the xbox team. such a shock coming from the system that introduced payable DLC. ::)
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My favorite part was, "And with the new AI, the fish swim away when you move towards them."
Yes, that got a good chuckle out of me :-)
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Yeah - trust the company that made that very mistake last gen by thinking people wanted a $600 blu ray player that also played video games.
the same company with far better exclusive games and didn't red ring
sony "can't be trusted" to make a good gaming console yet they somehow built the best selling console ever in the ps2, and the ps3 has only sold 3 million less than the 360 despite coming out a year later and the initial launch price
you are a fan boy
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xbox reveal in a nutshell:
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what's the point of this hardware, if EA Sports controls the sports titles and just develops eye candy engine. Ignite is bullshit.
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the same company with far better exclusive games and didn't red ring
sony "can't be trusted" to make a good gaming console yet they somehow built the best selling console ever in the ps2, and the ps3 has only sold 3 million less than the 360 despite coming out a year later and the initial launch price
you are a fan boy
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Here you go again.
Far better exclusives = subjective. RRod = known and expected as explained to you on multiple occasions. Sold the same amount of units despite having the advantage of selling in 3 over 2, and owning the market on the previous generations, as explained to you again on many occasions.
Not a fanboy. I loved the PS2, owned a 3, and will get a 4, as explained to you on many occasions.
You're just going to believe what you want. For some reason, this stuff means a lot to you.
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in other words: "not really."
So you're refuting the links?
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Here you go again.
Far better exclusives = subjective. RRod = known and expected as explained to you on multiple occasions. Sold the same amount of units despite having the advantage of selling in 3 over 2, and owning the market on the previous generations, as explained to you again on many occasions.
Not a fanboy. I loved the PS2, owned a 3, and will get a 4, as explained to you on many occasions.
You're just going to believe what you want. For some reason, this stuff means a lot to you.
"subjective" to you because apparently you only played god of war 3 and uncharted and then traded it in, list the best exclusives for best consoles, sony has a much deeper rosterand the only people that argue it's subjective are people that haven't even played them, sony has more amazing exclusives coming in the last of us and beyond 2 souls
you say sony can't be trusted yet you trust a company that released broken consoles?
i have both consoles at this point and i'm far from a fan boy, you on the other hand only have one and you take shots at ps3 every chance you get
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AHAHYAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH AAHAHAHHAHA
Everything I said about yesterday is true. I summed it up accurately.
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have to pay a fee to play used games?
so this destroys the second hand market (pawn shops, etc.)
also, how are the welfares with no jobs that play 24 hours a day gonna afford all this shit if you gotta pay fees. (bet with a credit card too)
xbox commited suicide
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A fee for second hand games would kill game sites like gamefly and redbox because then there's no point of renting games
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"subjective" to you because apparently you only played god of war 3 and uncharted and then traded it in, list the best exclusives for best consoles, sony has a much deeper rosterand the only people that argue it's subjective are people that haven't even played them, sony has more amazing exclusives coming in the last of us and beyond 2 souls
you say sony can't be trusted yet you trust a company that released broken consoles?
i have both consoles at this point and i'm far from a fan boy, you on the other hand only have one and you take shots at ps3 every chance you get
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Played MGS4, GoW3, and Uncharted to start.....but it's subjective as stated. Thought they were great. As I did with many XBox titles as well. MGS is my favorite video game series ever.
I only take shots at the PS3 when points are made on non subjective items like profit margin, server reliability, market share, cross title games being ported, texture ram, etc....... I want the PS4 to be successful, because I'm going to buy one, and it means more fun for me. I don't want Sony to fail, but their company has been a mess the last few years, with a good sized decline in thier stock since then. The PS3 has contributed to that, and was definitely NOT what they were expecting when they launched it.
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So you're refuting the links?
they don't even come CLOSE to showing that "the lifetime profit from PS3 is negative five billion dollars"
you say the PS3 isn't what sony was hoping for... when? when they were dreaming it up as PS2 passed the 100 million mark? no shit. as soon as the 360 took off, it was apparent, though, there wasn't going to be a domination. whether they let this show through their PR or not, there's no way they were naive behind closed doors. yeah, rough start, but in the end things didn't turn out bad.
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sure profits were low last year but xbox360 is just fine with graphix shure it breaks down like a computer might not run perfect. just make a perfectly running 360 with better games more bigger controllers mean more diverse game play
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johnny, your first post in this thread is actually brilliant
you understand videogames, that's for sure
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A fee for second hand games would kill game sites like gamefly and redbox because then there's no point of renting games
This disturbs me and it's a trend for publishers and content creators in film, games, music and TV, in that they want us to purchase a lease or licence for the media we bought...so although we may have the disc or download we don't really own it, we simply rent it in a way. This kind of stuff will be pushed by all media outlets and is being pushed by all media outlets.
This is a place I would like to see some court room action sorting out what "fair use" is for something someone has bought and owns.
Either way, from what I can see....I don't think Microsoft has a full 100% solid plan to implement. Post reveal there were many reps from MS being asked these questions and all of them seemed to give contradictory answers. Even when they went to Twitter to clarify they gave conflicting information. I think this will evolve right up until launch. There were statements about a used game marketplace on XBox Live and such, but no real detail, although the PS4 reveal was cloudy as well. E3 will hopefully bring us answers.
Also, expect Sony to something similar. If the manufacturer won't do it then you bet publishers will do it....just like they are doing it now. Very anti-consumer.
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How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.
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they don't even come CLOSE to showing that "the lifetime profit from PS3 is negative five billion dollars"
you say the PS3 isn't what sony was hoping for... when? when they were dreaming it up as PS2 passed the 100 million mark? no shit. as soon as the 360 took off, it was apparent, though, there wasn't going to be a domination. whether they let this show through their PR or not, there's no way they were naive behind closed doors. yeah, rough start, but in the end things didn't turn out bad.
It was infinitely closer than you just saying "things didn't turn out bad".
If they had a 4.7B loss (confirmed in link) through q2 of 2010, 4.5 years into it's lifecycle, you think they made a significant chunk back between the last two and a half years - not in 2012: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/09/sony-posts-profits-for-the-year-but-not-because-of-playstation.aspx So, unless the had a 5B profit from the division in Q12013, they got crushed.
Things didn't turn out bad? They went from the leader at 60% market share for the PS2 to third place an 29.7% for the life of the PS3. http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250810/2013-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-march-2nd/ That's a disaster.
As for expectations, here's Sony's president in 2006, with the XBox already being out a year:
KH: Well, the numbers change depending on how you slice and dice the data. What I'm saying is, given any metric they use to chart sales between 2006 and 2011, or calendar year to date of 2001, whatever you do, when we look back, I'd like to think that our market share will be as good--if not better--than what we've accomplished with the PS2 in the same kind of time frame since launch.
And here's an independent analyst group saying they'll take a dip with the new consoles but still win the market: http://www.gamespot.com/news/hirai-ps3-will-keep-or-surpass-ps2s-market-share-6156046
They were not expected to get absolutely lambasted like they did in market share. The Wii was completely underestimated, as was the 360. The company's a mess for many reasons, one being the PS3. The company recently laid of 10,000 people and sold their US headquarters for capital. Their stock has dropped from 40 to the teens since the 4.7B loss quoted above. They're in big trouble. I hope they rebound.
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It was infinitely closer than you just saying "things didn't turn out bad".
If they had a 4.7B loss (confirmed in link) through q2 of 2010, 4.5 years into it's lifecycle,
The "4.7B loss" included other products as well as PS3, for one thing, and for another, yes.
Things didn't turn out bad? They went from the leader at 60% market share for the PS2 to third place an 29.7% for the life of the PS3. http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250810/2013-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-march-2nd/ That's a disaster.
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We've been over this before -- as if the competition was just going to lie there dormant forever.
As for expectations, here's Sony's president in 2006, with the XBox already being out a year:
And here's an independent analyst group saying they'll take a dip with the new consoles but still win the market: http://www.gamespot.com/news/hirai-ps3-will-keep-or-surpass-ps2s-market-share-6156046
They were not expected to get absolutely lambasted like they did in market share. The Wii was completely underestimated, as was the 360. The company's a mess for many reasons, one being the PS3.
oh brother an "independent analyst group" (do you think i was born yesterday? let's have a look at the 5 million other completely asinine predictions "independent analyst groups" have made regarding gaming trends) and kaz' ramblings (it's a japanese company, LOL @ expecting a shred of honest from public statements)
look the wiiu is a disaster, the virtual boy is a disaster, the 3DO, jaguar, ngage, etc. were disasters.
you'd probably say the gamecube and n64 were disasters too ::)
i feel as retarded, replying to this stuff, as if i were posting on neogaf or penny-arcade
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The "4.7B loss" included other products as well as PS3, for one thing, and for another, yes.
Sony’s Q2 financials today have taken total PlayStation division losses to $4.7 billion since PS3 launched in November 2006.
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We've been over this before -- as if the competition was just going to lie there dormant forever.
We've been over it before, but it's still fact. No matter what the reason, they got crushed in market share. Going from 60% in first to 29% in third is a failure for Sony, and a success for MS and the Wii. If you get crushed by your competition, be it new or existing, it's a disaster.
oh brother an "independent analyst group" (do you think i was born yesterday? let's have a look at the 5 million other completely asinine predictions "independent analyst groups" have made regarding gaming trends) and kaz' ramblings (it's a japanese company, LOL @ expecting a shred of honest from public statements)
I grabbed a real industry analyst report. Small sample yes, but more tangible than you just making a statement.
look the wiiu is a disaster, the virtual boy is a disaster, the 3DO, jaguar, ngage, etc. were disasters.
you'd probably say the gamecube and n64 were disasters too ::)
Never disagreed with any of the addtional disasters you mention, never said anything abot the cube or n64. It's a PS3 numbers discussion. Could have been a good one too, if you didn't start with the roll eyes bullshit.
But, if you think a game system losing 50% of its market share to its competitors is "doing fine", go with that.
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How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.
Gamestop can go fuck itself, I could give 2 flying fucks about that shit business.
Backwards compatibility would be almost impossible to implement for the Xbox One AND the PS4. The architectures are too different from their predecessors so an emulator would be necessary and it probably wouldn't work at all. Failing that you would need to put the actual physical chips from the PS3 or 360 in the respective systems, that means cost/packaging and heat all go up. It wouldn't be possible.
If you want BC then keep your old system.
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How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.
that's exactly why i like playstation. i'm a PC gamer first and foremost, but back when PS3 came out i had some money to spare and wanted to take advantage of my HD tv, so i waited a few months and bought a used 60 gig, fully backwards compatible ps3 so i could play all my ps1 and ps2 games on and watch blu rays too. cost me like 400 bucks with shipping, this was when blu ray players were going for like 250 too. OMG SUCH A TERRIBLE SYSTEM.
still works like a champ, too. if it was an xbox it would've red-ringed ages ago. and none of that nickle and diming shit either. xbox's target market is pubescent teens spending their parents' money. no self-respecting wage earner would submit themselves to having to pay a FEE in order to play a used game. seriously xbox has single-handedly driven the gaming industry back a decade. steam's the biggest beacon of hope for gaming integrity now.
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I will beat the piss out of a Xbox with a ball bat.
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But, if you think a game system losing 50% of its market share to its competitors is "doing fine", go with that.
this is the crux of the matter, and i do think it's fine. you can't go on dominating forever; sooner or later the competition is going to wise up and cut down on your marketshare and profits. this is what happened to sony with the PS3. a far cry, in my opinion, from systems that crashed and burned, had their shelf lives cut drastically short, barely had any developer support, ended up with the company pulling out of the market, etc.
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this is the crux of the matter, and i do think it's fine. you can't go on dominating forever; sooner or later the competition is going to wise up and cut down on your marketshare and profits. this is what happened to sony with the PS3. a far cry, in my opinion, from systems that crashed and burned, had their shelf lives cut drastically short, barely had any developer support, ended up with the company pulling out of the market, etc.
Yup, that's the crux of our disagreement. I do agree the market can't be dominated every generation, and I do agree that the PS3 did survive and did not flame out while other have, and it did catch up in sales. And I did like the system.
We just disagree on how we define it vs expectations and impacts to Sony. All good.
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Yup, that's the crux of our disagreement. I do agree the market can't be dominated every generation, and I do agree that the PS3 did survive and did not flame out while other have, and it did catch up in sales. And I did like the system.
We just disagree on how we define it vs expectations and impacts to Sony. All good.
cool 8)
let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:
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cool 8)
let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:
My initial thoughts:
From a specs/media aspect it was pretty much as I thought.
Not thrilled with the look, but not hating either. Just wanted something more funky, but it looks like it's designed not to be hidden in a living room.
Glad the controller wasn't changed - I think it's the best I've used, but that's subjective.
I'm sure the games will look out of this world, so CoD will be gorgeous even though it will be the same multiplayer game I've played the 4 go rounds. I will still enjoy it though. MS getting the maps first is pretty big.
Now that I've thought about it, I don't think backwards compatibility is a big deal at all. I don't replay old games anyway, and if I do, they'll be an emulator and I keep my old consoles - N64, cube, PSone/2.
Hope there's no slim/streamlined version too near after launch.
A lot of the features I probably won't use, outside of it replacing a Cable Box in my house. I may eventually bag cable if this stuff gets more content.
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cool 8)
let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:
ROFOLMAO that was great.
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COD: Ghosts has one of the most realistic lighting effects of any videogame.
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COD: Ghosts has one of the most realistic lighting effects of any videogame.
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Um, Ok?
Is this a comment on the Xbox or the game itself because it's multiplatform.
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Um, Ok?
Is this a comment on the Xbox or the game itself because it's multiplatform.
No, it was just another amusing moment in the Xbox One Reveal Conference. :D
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johnny, your first post in this thread is actually brilliant
you understand videogames, that's for sure
these creative junctures for gaming consols come to us in cycles of time, this just insnt one of those times for the 'leap' of something even better than what we have but around 2018 things will be impressive compared to now
the fact that they are integrating more tv 'stuff's is a definit gimmic move for microsoft revealing how weak the innovation is over there
gee how hard is it to program split screen the xbox and a tv show "lets gimmic that gee golly" stupid fucks running the show as usual but strength in numbers!
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The new models suck.
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these creative junctures for gaming consols come to us in cycles of time, this just insnt one of those times for the 'leap' of something even better than what we have but around 2018 things will be impressive compared to now
the fact that they are integrating more tv 'stuff's is a definit gimmic move for microsoft revealing how weak the innovation is over there
gee how hard is it to program split screen the xbox and a tv show "lets gimmic that gee golly" stupid fucks running the show as usual but strength in numbers!
Wigga please .
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I only rent games through Gamefly so this news about used games completely infuriates me
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I only rent games through Gamefly so this news about used games completely infuriates me
it makes sense from a business standpoint, they don't make any money off gamers that only rent or borrow
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it makes sense from a business standpoint, they don't make any money off gamers that only rent or borrow
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Yup - sounds like a big f u to Gamefly, but only if it actually turns out to be true. From Major Nelson's blog: http://majornelson.com/
Xbox One and Used Games
We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.
Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.
Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.
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it makes sense from a business standpoint, they don't make any money off gamers that only rent or borrow
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alienating a massive portion of your target market does *not* make sense from a business standpoint. in the long run customer loyalty will make you way more money than a blatant cash grab like this.
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I'm hoping they discuss it more at E3 on June 10th. I really need to know if gamefly still has use with this system. The only games I actually purchase are Madden and NBA 2K every year. I rent upwards of 25 games a year on gamefly and play through them until I beat them
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I'm hoping they discuss it more at E3 on June 10th. I really need to know if gamefly still has use with this system. The only games I actually purchase are Madden and NBA 2K every year. I rent upwards of 25 games a year on gamefly and play through them until I beat them
Chill bro.
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned but head of Microsoft studios just went on record stating that at E3 there will be a huge Xbox 360 announcement..... Not Xbox one , but for the current gen Xbox , dunno if that means they be releasing another model or what exactly.
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alienating a massive portion of your target market does *not* make sense from a business standpoint. in the long run customer loyalty will make you way more money than a blatant cash grab like this.
that portion of the market spends almost zero dollars on their products, they don't care if they are upset because they aren't considered "loyal" customers
most money is made from the software not the hardware, if you aren't buying the games new they aren't getting any money from you
they wanted everything to be digital downloads but there is still too many people living in bumfuck nowhere with dial up internet connection, so used games will be fazed out for good when the next console comes around
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that portion of the market spends almost zero dollars on their products, they don't care if they are upset because they aren't considered "loyal" customers
most money is made from the software not the hardware, if you aren't buying the games new they aren't getting any money from you
they wanted everything to be digital downloads but there is still too many people living in bumfuck nowhere with dial up internet connection, so used games will be fazed out for good when the next console comes around
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sure they still spend money. They bought the console didnt they? Tons of people pay for xbox live right? What about accessories? An xbox customer makes money for Microsoft. Its not all about used games.
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sure they still spend money. They bought the console didnt they? Tons of people pay for xbox live right? What about accessories? An xbox customer makes money for Microsoft. Its not all about used games.
not sure but i think they lose money with each console sale, at least they used to
they make money from selling software (games)
people get xbox live for 12 bucks a year so it's not a lot especially when most only buy one game a year like call of duty or madden
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not sure but i think they lose money with each console sale, at least they used to
they make money from selling software (games)
people get xbox live for 12 bucks a year so it's not a lot especially when most only buy one game a year like call of duty or madden
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Where have you been Earl? A year membership to live is at least $55 bucks now. Maybe more then that. 12 bucks will get you a 1 month pass. Lol
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ahahahahah, that was good.
What movie is this from?
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ahahahahah, that was good.
What movie is this from?
Se7en
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Where have you been Earl? A year membership to live is at least $55 bucks now. Maybe more then that. 12 bucks will get you a 1 month pass. Lol
you need to check out the cheapassgamer forums
i get live for 12 bucks a year, i pay 2 bucks for a 2 month subscription and then renew when the 2 months are over
you can also get a one month subscription for $1
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BRILLIANT!!!!! I dunno - I was all about jumping on the new xbox one... but after talking with a friend, I'm actually considering the whole PC thing again :D
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Where have you been Earl? A year membership to live is at least $55 bucks now. Maybe more then that. 12 bucks will get you a 1 month pass. Lol
Earl's right. Only morons pay the price you quoted. There's routinely cards available for $35 for the year, in addition to the methods Earl mentioned.
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BRILLIANT!!!!! I dunno - I was all about jumping on the new xbox one... but after talking with a friend, I'm actually considering the whole PC thing again :D
Have fun buying new hardware every time you want to play the latest games.
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Earl's right. Only morons pay the price you quoted. There's routinely cards available for $35 for the year, in addition to the methods Earl mentioned.
Lol! I guess I am a moron then.
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Have fun buying new hardware every time you want to play the latest games.
Grape is right about this, they just keep getting your money.
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Grape is right about this, they just keep getting your money.
I mean honestly if you spec up a good PC - realistically you won't need to upgrade your graphics card for at least two to three years, thats not outrageous
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We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.
Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.
Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.
Pay attention to the bolded portions......
1-Trade and resell your game at retail- Where? How? Through what service? If MS begins a game trading (i.e. license or permission) market on Xbox Live they have taken Gamestop etc. out of the loop. Maybe there is some way around it or some accommodation that will be made, who knows. Still not clear at all.
2-Should you choose to play your game at your friends house, no fee to play if you are on your profile- This is huge....if this is true then you will not be able to lend games to friends like you use to be able to do. You really don't own the game you paid for. If true, this is MS telling us that we do not own anything that we paid for, we simply are leasing it and it really isn't ours. I'm hoping this goes to the courts in some way because it has consumer implications for more than just video games.
Connect the dots with #1 -#2 and you see the plan, you can lend the game to a friend but they will have to pay retail to play it.
If this is true, and I hope to dear God that it isn't, I will not be purchasing the new Xbox. If Sony swoops in and is more consumer friendly and doesn't fuck with us consumers like MS seems to be doing in this situation then Sony will have my money next generation.
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Pay attention to the bolded portions......
1-Trade and resell your game at retail- Where? How? Through what service? If MS begins a game trading (i.e. license or permission) market on Xbox Live they have taken Gamestop etc. out of the loop. Maybe there is some way around it or some accommodation that will be made, who knows. Still not clear at all.
2-Should you choose to play your game at your friends house, no fee to play if you are on your profile- This is huge....if this is true then you will not be able to lend games to friends like you use to be able to do. You really don't own the game you paid for. If true, this is MS telling us that we do not own anything that we paid for, we simply are leasing it and it really isn't ours. I'm hoping this goes to the courts in some way because it has consumer implications for more than just video games.
Connect the dots with #1 -#2 and you see the plan, you can lend the game to a friend but they will have to pay retail to play it.
If this is true, and I hope to dear God that it isn't, I will not be purchasing the new Xbox. If Sony swoops in and is more consumer friendly and doesn't fuck with us consumers like MS seems to be doing in this situation then Sony will have my money next generation.
Exactly. I have always been an Xbox guy (on the recent console gens) but I will glady give a big FU to Microsoft, if this turns out to be true.
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I mean honestly if you spec up a good PC - realistically you won't need to upgrade your graphics card for at least two to three years, thats not outrageous
You are correct BIG A, my work is on computer repair and upgrades just keep a decent graphics card until it does not work for your needs. I only upgrade hardware when required, don't bite the bait of Merchants trying to sell you something new.
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I mean honestly if you spec up a good PC - realistically you won't need to upgrade your graphics card for at least two to three years, thats not outrageous
If a console is going 7-8 years now, that's three PC upgrades over the lifecycle.
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consoles.pcs.tablets and phones will all morph into one total solution product
this is the last cycle of the stand alone
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Exactly. I have always been an Xbox guy (on the recent console gens) but I will glady give a big FU to Microsoft, if this turns out to be true.
I will still buy, since I am adult and buy my own games.
But, I agree with Gigantor's concerns about other implications on consumers, but I'm not even going to concern myself until we really see what they're going to do. We'll see what Major Nelson posts.
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I will still buy, since I am adult and buy my own games.
But, I agree with Gigantor's concerns about other implications on consumers.
Me too. I always buy New games. I am just going on principle here. Microsoft needs to trend lightly.
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consoles.pcs.tablets and phones will all morph into one total solution product
this is the last cycle of the stand alone
Someone is already building that!
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Me too. I always buy New games. I am just going on principle here. Microsoft needs to trend lightly.
Fuck principle. I want to play next gen games on the best network. ;D
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Fuck principle. I want to play next gen games on the best network. ;D
Lol! No shit. ;D I still want to act like I am angry though.
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Fuck principle. I want to play next gen games on the best network. ;D
Kinda have to agree with that. Most of the time I buy new games. Not always, but for new releases etc....
Nothing about the xbox one reveal made me feel like this is a bad product. I actually said I'm willing to jump on it and buy it right away on the day of launch.
Why I'm contemplating switching to pc is because, only reason I'm playing xbox now is For Halo and multiplayer which I don't really do that much anymore, 95% of the time I game on my own. So might as well just switch to something that will give me the best graphics.
I'm already planning on buying a new desktop, why not just increase my budget and make it a gaming desktop. Sure it won't be fool proof for 10 years, but I'd be ok updating some hardware every couple of years to make sure its running at its best capacity. for me its all about the games, I don't really care for all the stuff they did with the TV integration - as cool as that is, not the selling point for me. I'll wait and think about before I make a decision.
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Kinda have to agree with that. Most of the time I buy new games. Not always, but for new releases etc....
Nothing about the xbox one reveal made me feel like this is a bad product. I actually said I'm willing to jump on it and buy it right away on the day of launch.
Why I'm contemplating switching to pc is because, only reason I'm playing xbox now is For Halo and multiplayer which I don't really do that much anymore, 95% of the time I game on my own. So might as well just switch to something that will give me the best graphics.
I'm already planning on buying a new desktop, why not just increase my budget and make it a gaming desktop. Sure it won't be fool proof for 10 years, but I'd be ok updating some hardware every couple of years to make sure its running at its best capacity. for me its all about the games, I don't really care for all the stuff they did with the TV integration - as cool as that is, not the selling point for me. I'll wait and think about before I make a decision.
I play a lot of multi, and Live has the highest amount of people online for the games I play, so it works for me.
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I will still buy, since I am adult and buy my own games.
But, I agree with Gigantor's concerns about other implications on consumers, but I'm not even going to concern myself until we really see what they're going to do. We'll see what Major Nelson posts.
I buy my own stuff as well, never bought a used game in my life besides used Nintendo DS carts for my nephew, so this really doesn't hit me directly. It's just the precedent it sets and how consumers and the media products that we buy are viewed and labeled. And if I can't borrow a game from a friend of mine without paying close to retail to activate the license for the game....well that's fucking bullshit.
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plain and simple, the PC STILL doesn't get anywhere NEAR all the good games that come out on consoles. so, until it does, i will be buying consoles. (that said, this might be changing soon -- next-next gen?)
also, if you're so poor as to care about the used game thing, why are you playing videogames in the first place ???
guaranteed no one will give a shit in 2 years
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I will stomp the piss out of that thing.
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I buy my own stuff as well, never bought a used game in my life besides used Nintendo DS carts for my nephew, so this really doesn't hit me directly. It's just the precedent it sets and how consumers and the media products that we buy are viewed and labeled. And if I can't borrow a game from a friend of mine without paying close to retail to activate the license for the game....well that's fucking bullshit.
I agree. I knew they would eventually try to capitalize on the secondary market in terms of gamefly, gamespot, ec....but yes, it's a crock in the example you used.
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I want to play goldeneye. EXACT same levels. only it'd be all real looking people, not so squared off.
anyone who has spent months playing that game every night can still view all those levels in their head. I still dream about those levels and haven't played it in 7-8 years.
i dont know anyone who has completed the game with no cheats
the highest i ever seen anyone get was the second last level
i think it was the aztec level
fuk achievements and gamer scores
if you can finish alex the kid on sega master system thats an achievement lol
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Pinklon Thomas did not last long.
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i dont know anyone who has completed the game with no cheats
the highest i ever seen anyone get was the second last level
i think it was the aztec level
fuk achievements and gamer scores
if you can finish alex the kid on sega master system thats an achievement lol
yeah but the cheats were awesome. when i was a kid i used to spend hours on that runway level.
i'd park the tank in front of the plane so it doesn't get blown up, take out two grenade launchers and launch them into the air and try to get them to land on the infinitely spawning troops, mortar style
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I think I've made my decision. After going back and forth a few times, I've thought long and hard about it for a few days and I will be buying the new xbox, and not switching to a gaming PC.
Like it or not, there are still more games that come out on consoles than on PC, would hate to spend all this money setting up a nice gaming rig only to not be able to play some game i really want to jump on!
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Even though I only rent games from gamefly, I'm probably still going to buy the Xbox One. I just wore out the shit of my Xbox 360 over the years and I know I'm going to end up buying both Xbox One and PS4. I got both 360 and PS3 as well. No interest in the Wii U though. There are only like 3 games I would like to play but I don't think that justifies purchasing the system.
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Even though I only rent games from gamefly, I'm probably still going to buy the Xbox One. I just wore out the shit of my Xbox 360 over the years and I know I'm going to end up buying both Xbox One and PS4. I got both 360 and PS3 as well. No interest in the Wii U though. There are only like 3 games I would like to play but I don't think that justifies purchasing the system.
This is where I am at.....although Sony losing exclusivity on MGS could change things. I know I'll get the Xbox, but will definitely follow both systems over the next few months to see what the deal is.
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I think I've made my decision. After going back and forth a few times, I've thought long and hard about it for a few days and I will be buying the new xbox, and not switching to a gaming PC.
Like it or not, there are still more games that come out on consoles than on PC, would hate to spend all this money setting up a nice gaming rig only to not be able to play some game i really want to jump on!
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Why not get both....you don't have to outright buy a gaming PC....just buy the components....video card, processor, SSD hard drive, etc....
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This is where I am at.....although Sony losing exclusivity on MGS could change things. I know I'll get the Xbox, but will definitely follow both systems over the next few months to see what the deal is.
Since I've always just purchased every system in every generation dating back to the NES and Genesis/SNES days, exclusivity didn't mean anything to me really.
That being said, if MGS5 comes out for both systems, I'll get the PS4 version via gamefly so I can avoid having the buy it. I'm the type of guy who just likes to play through games once, dabble a bit in the multiplayer, and then I'm done with it (the type of gamer that nerds hate).
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Since I've always just purchased every system in every generation dating back to the NES and Genesis/SNES days, exclusivity didn't mean anything to me really.
That being said, if MGS5 comes out for both systems, I'll get the PS4 version via gamefly so I can avoid having the buy it. I'm the type of guy who just likes to play through games once, dabble a bit in the multiplayer, and then I'm done with it (the type of gamer that nerds hate).
F the nerds - to each his own. ;D
I agree - I've had pretty much every system except the Saturn. But, non game functionality is beginning to play a big part and the time I have to actually play games keeps shrinking.
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F the nerds - to each his own. ;D
I agree - I've had pretty much every system except the Saturn. But, non game functionality is beginning to play a big part and the time I have to actually play games keeps shrinking.
Yea I'm old school that way. I like a great single player experience. I have no interest in customizing crap in games or designing my own levels. I want the game to be made for me already so I can play it. Then a nice multiplayer mode is nice too, but not essential to me (except for Halo and COD)
Also, the Saturn was awesome!
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Why not get both....you don't have to outright buy a gaming PC....just buy the components....video card, processor, SSD hard drive, etc....
Don't see the need to buy both?
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GS News - Pachter: Xbox One $400, PS4 $350
Not only that, look at the Nonsense that Microsoft is pulling with the Cable Companies. Its mainly a TV Box at this point.
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those are great prices for a launch. only 50 bucks higher than consoles were last year when they were 5+ years old
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XBOX ONE just got a lot worse. :-\
CONFIRMED:
-24 hour DRM.
-1 hour DRM if not using home console.
-Mandatory Kinect.
-No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)
-Internet connection required.
-Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at "participating" retailers.
+You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then only ONCE.
+Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time? You & one other at a time
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I bet Sony is fucking laughing they're asses off right now. I own both a Playstation 3 and a 360. I have always leaned heavily towards Xbox though. Fuck all of these rules and regulations.
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if you can finish alex the kid on sega master system thats an achievement lol
haha holy fuck that game was hard. Having to swim through the spikes on the last castle was near impossible.
I remember being stuck in that room with the pink blocks where if you stood on the wrng ones the grey ghost things came for ages before my sister suggested that the paper with the sequence was upside down.
Legandary game
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Don't you know the new Xbox is just a tool to watch and hear your every move there's even reports out about it
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Don't you know the new Xbox is just a tool to watch and hear your every move there's even reports out about it
They have workout games for the Kinect. You should look into it.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-xbox-by-nsa-partner-microsoft-will-watch-you-247.html you cant power on the console without enabling the kinect which will be used to watch your every move, by the NSA
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-xbox-by-nsa-partner-microsoft-will-watch-you-247.html you cant power on the console without enabling the kinect which will be used to watch your every move, by the NSA
I Could care less if the NSA folks want to watch me strut around the house naked and play Xbox. I say enjoy the show folks ;D