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in cal equivalent quantities.
Lets see if your weight will stay the same. Please document it with pictures. Thank you. (and no "wire me money first then I will do that" bs, if you believe your theory then it would be peace of cake, otherwise you are just trolling).
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in cal equivalent quantities.
Lets see if your weight will stay the same. Please document it with pictures. Thank you. (and no "wire me money first then I will do that" bs, if you believe your theory then it would be peace of cake, otherwise you are just trolling).
HAHA.....well played sir. Well played. :D
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yeah its not the optimal approach, but it works good enough,the calorie is calorie thing.
not optimal for bodybuilding fatloss programms, kinda ok for maintenance,and for bulking,lol, it dont even matter, bulkng is so dumb one might aswell eat whatever he wants
tuna and ramen + lift penitentiary style. unless the internet has lied to me
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A thought.. If you eat say 2000 calories in one sitting. You won't absorb 100 % of it right - some of it will pass through.
Also the body will use more energy handling it than eating closer to what you can absorb.
Aren't different calories easier or more energy demanding to absorb by the body?
Wouldn't those facts mean a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to digestion ???
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A thought.. If you eat say 2000 calories in one sitting. You won't absorb 100 % of it right - some of it will pass through.
Also the body will use more energy handling it than eating closer to what you can absorb.
Aren't different calories easier or more energy demanding to absorb by the body?
Wouldn't those facts mean a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to digestion ???
some people doesnt have enough brain to grasp the difference between real concepts and abstract ones like calories (and some do undersand but are just trolling).
In the real world, its impossible to eat calories alone. You eat a piece of matter that have lots of things in it, including calories.
Take for example salt. It has the propriety to make your organism retain water, thus gaining weight, and this effect is totally unrelated to the calorie aspect of it.
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in cal equivalent quantities.
Lets see if your weight will stay the same. Please document it with pictures. Thank you. (and no "wire me money first then I will do that" bs, if you believe your theory then it would be peace of cake, otherwise you are just trolling).
According to this link http://www.fitday.com/webfit/nutrition/All_Foods/Salt_table.html (http://www.fitday.com/webfit/nutrition/All_Foods/Salt_table.html) a cup of salt has zero calories so while I understand the point behind your words, it is without merit as there is no caloric equivalent to be had.
As to a calorie is a calore, I would say again that for the greater part this may well be true. However, what you do with those calories is what really makes a difference.
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in cal equivalent quantities.
Lets see if your weight will stay the same. Please document it with pictures. Thank you. (and no "wire me money first then I will do that" bs, if you believe your theory then it would be peace of cake, otherwise you are just trolling).
Yes, your brilliance is outstanding. Oh wait....I need to point something out...SALT HAS NO CALORIES!!!!
HAHA.....well played sir. Well played. :D
Yes, well played. Perhaps you would be best served to learn something about what a calorie is (and means), as well as what DOES have calories and what does not.
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so salt supposedly has zero (or very close to it) calories... great. So since it wont affect your total sum of calories, you can eat it as much as you want that it wont change a thing in your weight, right?
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so salt supposedly has zero (or very close to it) calories... great. So since it wont affect your total sum of calories, you can eat it as much as you want that it wont change a thing in your weight, right?
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It will not add, nor subtract fat/muscle. Your attempt at this is poorly conceived. Its flawed as much as if you would ask someone to drink 3 gallons of water a day rather than eat protein. Try again Alex. Actually, try a treadmill once in a while.
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ok before it was "weight" now its "fat/muscle", its funny how the variables keep changing to try to save the "theory "
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ok before it was "weight" now its "fat/muscle", its funny how the variables keep changing to try to save the "theory "
What is the difference between 1cal of butter and 1cal of chicken?
I posed a question to you about the effect of salt on the things that matter. I didn't change anything. You using something that is a mineral and NON caloric in nature. I guess for you example I might as well replace my protein with sand. ::)
Just for you to understand, there will be a limited amount of weight that is gained from the salt intake before it takes a toll on the body. Its not going to be linear chief. From the last pics of you, I would recommend you replace some salt in your diet with more protein. Might help you cut down on the bloat.
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lol, post a pic stud, let me see the result of all those theories of yours
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ok bro I'll give this a shot
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NaCl Can`t be burned nor would it add any heat in a fire. Bam-Bam is a moron.
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I know many women and a couple men that have metabolic damage/adrenal fatigue. They eat WAY below maintenance and can't lose a fucking pound.
A calorie is NOT a calorie.
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If "a calorie is a calorie" then substitute all your protein intake for water. :D
Bam-Bam approved.
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I know many women and a couple men that have metabolic damage/adrenal fatigue. They eat WAY below maintenance and can't lose a fucking pound.
A calorie is NOT a calorie.
Way to marry two unrelated statements in the hopes of making some sore of coherent (totally incoherent) correlation.
Sometimes I wish Getbig had a moron filter or something of the sort.
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Way to marry two unrelated statements in the hopes of making some sore of coherent (totally incoherent) correlation.
Sometimes I wish Getbig had a moron filter or something of the sort.
You love to try and sound "philosophical" but nothing I said in that post was incoherent. Both things are related.
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You love to try and sound "philosophical" but nothing I said in that post was incoherent. Both things are related.
I know plenty of people missing arms.
Anyone trick or treating better make sure they have reflective clothing on.
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Bam-Bam, what an absolute retard.
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Minerals are calorie free
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If a calorie is a calorie why don't we see pro bodybuilders diet down on beef jerky and chocolate bars.
Do they enjoy veggies, chicken and oats more so? Oh wait.....they are lower calorie so you can eat more of them....right?
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lol, post a pic stud, let me see the result of all those theories of yours
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Bam-Bam, what an absolute retard.
He really thought he had something here. I can imagine him typing it with a huge grin thinking, "Now I got him". The sad thing is, he thought about this for a while and actually believed and considered such nonsense.
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This reminds me one time of a black girl in the gym that came up to Jezebelle and I when I was squatting. She was amazed by the 315 I was doing for reps and asked me point blank, "how many calories DO Ice have in it?".
I kid you not. I told her none and she had the most bewildered look upon her face.
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He really thought he had something here. I can imagine him typing it with a huge grin thinking, "Now I got him". The sad thing is, he thought about this for a while and actually believed and considered such nonsense.
change salt with french fries, its same shit. point is you cant eat calories alone.
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Take note OP you retard. This is how to make a quality post. Asking frivolous questions and shit. Really?
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If a calorie is a calorie why don't we see pro bodybuilders diet down on beef jerky and chocolate bars.
Do they enjoy veggies, chicken and oats more so? Oh wait.....they are lower calorie so you can eat more of them....right?
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Take note OP you retard. This is how to make a quality post. Asking frivolous questions and shit. Really?
lol taking a beating from the thunderdome can be refreshing
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man, bambam, im somewhere since 5-6% bodyfat at all times and i get away with eating a terrible diet, cookies dipped into molten icecream etc, and not 1 cookie, but whole packages and a gallon icecream at once.
i do a day fasting after that and stay just as lean.
over and over again.
i could also eat one icecream along with every meal and stay in same shape if i just skip one regular meal.
maybe id look 1% better if i followed everything to the t, but so what.
my best diet to cut fat approach is to simply fast as long as possible, most radical but it works no doubt
you are an experienced bb, you use a lot of steroids and probably gets your macros straight, and you dont care about your health. in that case (which is more the exception than the rule), you can pretty much use total calories as your main guide.
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The True Adonis owns all....has been for years
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A thought.. If you eat say 2000 calories in one sitting. You won't absorb 100 % of it right - some of it will pass through.
Also the body will use more energy handling it than eating closer to what you can absorb.
Aren't different calories easier or more energy demanding to absorb by the body?
Wouldn't those facts mean a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to digestion ???
Great point here, you sir get an A. The truth is if you ate 2000 calories in one setting ya the calories will go down your throat but not absorbed, depending on the person buy you may only absorb 1600 of those calories or less and you will have the runs for sure.
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I know many women and a couple men that have metabolic damage/adrenal fatigue. They eat WAY below maintenance and can't lose a fucking pound.
A calorie is NOT a calorie.
If they are not losing weight then they are not eating below maintenance.
The very definition of ''below maintenance'' is the number of calories that if you go below it you will start to lose weight
So your post was real dumb
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I hate this shit called "Metabolic damage". Hit your face with a frying pan every time you utter such nonsense.
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I hate this shit called "Metabolic damage". Hit your face with a frying pan every time you utter such nonsense.
;D lmao
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man, bambam, im somewhere since 5-6% bodyfat at all times and i get away with eating a terrible diet, cookies dipped into molten icecream etc, and not 1 cookie, but whole packages and a gallon icecream at once.
i do a day fasting after that and stay just as lean.
over and over again.
i could also eat one icecream along with every meal and stay in same shape if i just skip one regular meal.
maybe id look 1% better if i followed everything to the t, but so what.
my best diet to cut fat approach is to simply fast as long as possible, most radical but it works no doubt
I don't think you understand that not everybody can do this and achieve these results. You are genetically gifted.
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I hate this shit called "Metabolic damage". Hit your face with a frying pan every time you utter such nonsense.
Most men do. They don't even believe it exists. Go say this on a board like siouxcuntree and you'll have your asshole torn open. More than it already is of course.
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Most men do. They don't even believe it exists. Go say this on a board like siouxcuntree and you'll have your asshole torn open. More than it already is of course.
Please, there is like 12 people on that retarded site.
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Most men do. They don't even believe it exists. Go say this on a board like siouxcuntree and you'll have your asshole torn open. More than it already is of course.
It's ok butter cup, you can believe whatever makes you happy, but there is no scientific backing in support of "metabolic damage".
People overestimate their caloric needs. They eat out of habit and feelings, rather than absolute need for fuel.
Plus, women are the last i would trust when it comes to accurately reporting calories, and most definitely would not take anything they say about "feelings" seriously.
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Oh brother...adrenal fatigue :o :( :o
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change salt with french fries, its same shit. point is you cant eat calories alone.
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So you are saying I have to eat other things not made up of calories? ??? What is this mystery substance that you speak of? What sort of sorcery is this?
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It's ok butter cup, you can believe whatever makes you happy, but there is no scientific backing in support of "metabolic damage".
People overestimate their caloric needs. They eat out of habit and feelings, rather than absolute need for fuel.
Plus, women are the last i would trust when it comes to accurately reporting calories, and most definitely would not take anything they say about "feelings" seriously.
I prep people for contest and I have more females then males sometimes and I tell you female lie about what they eat way more then men. (hey you two I am working with, I am not talking about you 2 so if you read this, not referring to you)
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Great point here, you sir get an A. The truth is if you ate 2000 calories in one setting ya the calories will go down your throat but not absorbed, depending on the person buy you may only absorb 1600 of those calories or less and you will have the runs for sure.
This is simply not true. In fact I know of a guy who eats one meal per day of 2000 and has for years. Maintains good health and a weight of around 165.
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This is simply not true. In fact I know of a guy who eats one meal per day of 2000 and has for years. Maintains good health and a weight of around 165.
So because you know this guy and what he does and it works for him that makes what I am saying not true ???
Eating one meal is OK nothing wrong with one meal per day, who says there is? I simply said that when your body is use to eating 4-500 calories per setting then all of a sudden you throw in 2000 calories, all those calories will not be absorbed, you will get the runs and it will through you faster then your body can absorb the calories.
Of course in your friends case he will absorb all the calories because he is used to eating this way and his body has adapted.
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This is simply not true. In fact I know of a guy who eats one meal per day of 2000 and has for years. Maintains good health and a weight of around 165.
I started to say the same thing, but was hoping someone else would chime in. The IF crowd eats in the same manner and I do at times also. Some days I just eat something very small when I get up-around 200-400 calories and then eat the rest at one time later on in the day. I do this especially if I have all my food courses made in advance. For instance, when I smoke a Pork Shoulder, have a cake baked and Coleslaw and baked beans ready to go. Large feasts can really fill you up and satisfy you until the next day even.
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So because you know this guy and what he does and it works for him that makes what I am saying not true ???
Eating one meal is OK nothing wrong with one meal per day, who says there is? I simply said that when your body is use to eating 4-500 calories per setting then all of a sudden you throw in 2000 calories, all those calories will not be absorbed, you will get the runs and it will through you faster then your body can absorb the calories.
Of course in your friends case he will absorb all the calories because he is used to eating this way and his body has adapted.
This has NEVER been my experience.
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So because you know this guy and what he does and it works for him that makes what I am saying not true ???
Eating one meal is OK nothing wrong with one meal per day, who says there is? I simply said that when your body is use to eating 4-500 calories per setting then all of a sudden you throw in 2000 calories, all those calories will not be absorbed, you will get the runs and it will through you faster then your body can absorb the calories.
Of course in your friends case he will absorb all the calories because he is used to eating this way and his body has adapted.
Well I thought you were saying that if a person eats one meal of 2000 c then he would not absorb the food macros. Yes it may be true of what you are saying and it also have a lot to do with the kind of food too.
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A calorie is a calorie. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D gh15 would be proud of such babble.
Make up some comical lie- retell the same lie hundreds of times and then act all proud when one imbecile jumps onboard your retard express.
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A calorie is a calorie. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D gh15 would be proud of such babble.
Make up some comical lie- retell the same lie hundreds of times and then act all proud when one imbecile jumps onboard your retard express.
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Protein and carbs have a higher thermic effect than fat.....therefore, a calorie is not a calorie.
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Well I thought you were saying that if a person eats one meal of 2000 c then he would not absorb the food macros. Yes it may be true of what you are saying and it also have a lot to do with the kind of food too.
we've bumped heads a few times so if I am annoying just tell me to shut up :D ;)
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in cal equivalent quantities.
Lets see if your weight will stay the same. Please document it with pictures. Thank you. (and no "wire me money first then I will do that" bs, if you believe your theory then it would be peace of cake, otherwise you are just trolling).
Let's rephrase that for you: If "a calorie is a calorie" then substitute all your protein intake for oil. I dare you, all the believers of the "calorie is a calorie" theory, change your diet and take all your calories from oil. Oils like olive oil are healthy and there is lots of calories in them. Go for it, and let us know how it end. You will soon realize that your theory sucks, and that your stomach works quite fine.
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Let's rephrase that for you: If "a calorie is a calorie" then substitute all your protein intake for oil. I dare you, all the believers of the "calorie is a calorie" theory, change your diet and take all your calories from oil. Oils like olive oil are healthy and there is lots of calories in them. Go for it, and let us know how it end. You will soon realize that your theory sucks, and that your stomach works quite fine.
That's not the theory. It's always been you get your macros and protein, then the rest of the calories between that and your defined total intake amount don't matter, in terms of weight loss.
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lol, post a pic stud, let me see the result of all those theories of yours
You were saying?
Edit : better? ;D
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So you are saying I have to eat other things not made up of calories? ??? What is this mystery substance that you speak of? What sort of sorcery is this?
HA HA....I was thinking the same thing. BY THE GODS!!!! We shall dine in Valhalla tonight before you see us eating our calories alone.
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Protein and carbs have a higher thermic effect than fat.....therefore, a calorie is not a calorie.
So, please answer this one. If you take 10cal worth of protein and then 10cal worth of carbs. Are you saying the calories aren't the same?
Let's rephrase that for you: If "a calorie is a calorie" then substitute all your protein intake for oil. I dare you, all the believers of the "calorie is a calorie" theory, change your diet and take all your calories from oil. Oils like olive oil are healthy and there is lots of calories in them. Go for it, and let us know how it end. You will soon realize that your theory sucks, and that your stomach works quite fine.
Are you female? That phrase comes out of females' mouths a lot.
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You were saying?
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i am training couple girls too, and oh brother how they lie hahahahaha.i got examples.
ok they dont want be in contest shape, they just want visible abs and lines and maybe some leg mass etc.
so, yeah, some have asked if its ok to have "1 or 2" drinks when clubbing out, i say its not the best thing but yeah, ok do have 2 drinks then on the weekend, then sometimes we go out together and they get so drunk they cant even stand on their own anymore hahaha ;D
and have that 1 drink anyway almosr every day, however i must say if women are dedicated, they more strict than men, the one mentioned just fasts after the drinking and actually has nixe abs by now.
and another example when i said typical meal should be dry chicken with very little carbs and maybe little bit sauce on it, that other girl was like "yeah ok understood" and then i seen her meal,she ate it bfore my eyes as if i should be roud or something.it was chicken with the fatty skin, way too many carbs and the stuff was swimming in oil and butter,i mean literally swiming.on top of that, shed eat the dressing while soaking it uo in bread.
haha,women ar ehillarious ;D
kinda...
feel out when one is full of glycogen is important too imo.
and to use protein as fixed number is bit risky.the more carbs one has the less protein should be eaten i think.
but yeah, thats solid enough approach.
:D That's funny.
They swear up and down and then get caught in the act.
As for protein of course carbs go up, protein goes down, carbs go down protein goes up, very simple and basic.
now eating nothing but ice cream in a calorie deficit may get you to 7% but say good bye to your muscle.
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Krankenstein if that is really your face, please crop the picture mate. It's for the best, trust me.
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and on top of that, women and weak men notoriously lie when dieting, they munch on oreos between regular clean meals and dont count them, when the oreos make out most the calories hahaha ;D
and they dont try for long enough.
the first couple days one dont even loses fat only water.and after that things go slowly,if a guy is over 12% he will not see much difference in the mirror, maybe every 2 weeks there will be a difference.
on top of that, the scale is very misleading, eating something too salty or many carbs at once can lead to weight gain 10lbs overnight pretty much, then they thinbk they hit a plateau when its just water.
the scale discourages them and they binge out of frustration.
staying mentaly hard and focussed is all in this dieting matter.
these day, ppl are very weak.very soft, they dont even have slightest idea what it takes to get shredded.
and yes the body will absolutely somewhat decrease the calories needed after a while, the leaner one wants to become, towards the end of dieting,itll be very little food one can take in.
maintaining however is the glorious part, one can get away with ridiculous seeming diet once hes there.
i never understood why competitive bbuilders after the show blow themselves up like michelin man, i mean i understand the first few days after, but if they return to eating somewhat clean after, theyd be very near contest shape all the time.
ok, they are relatively near it, but you know what i mean 10% on gear can look kinda obese due to massive water retention.
and 10% on non training guy looks leaner than 10% on bodybuilder.bc its more fat ;D
Couldn't agree more with this.
The biggest problem is when people embark on a diet, with only 20% of the information they need. As soon as they hit a couple of bumps in the road, the classic "I just can't lose weight" or "I need to sign up to an expensive boot camp" comes out of their mouths, when in reality, all they needed to do was adjust their eating for next couple of days to be back on track.
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Yes I am....and I make no bones about it.
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Yes I am....and I make no bones about it.
Good for you brother, I can't imagine how life must have been with such a mug.
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Good for you brother, I can't imagine how life must have been with such a mug.
Not easy. Does the pic edit meet with your satisfaction?
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Not easy. Does the pic edit meet with your satisfaction?
Hey, no need for sarcasm- I did you a favour. Imagine if IronMeister had seen your pic!
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Quote from: Bam-bam on May 28, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
change salt with french fries, its same shit. point is you cant eat calories alone.
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So you are saying I have to eat other things not made up of calories? ??? What is this mystery substance that you speak of? What sort of sorcery is this?
are you saying you don't know what the word "alone" means?
Also, its not the point of the post, but salt must be a mystery substance for you?
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You were saying?
Edit : better? ;D
your face is busted but you have very lean abs, let me guess, its all 'a calorie is a calorie' diet, and the anabolics are just the finishing touch??
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these "debates" don't make any sense.
a calorie is a unit of measure not something that can be eaten.
hope this helps
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these "debates" don't make any sense.
a calorie is a unit of measure not something that can be eaten.
hope this helps
thank you
saying a calorie is a calorie is as usefull as saying a gram is a gram or a degree is a degree
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your face is busted but you have very lean abs, let me guess, its all 'a calorie is a calorie' diet, and the anabolics are just the finishing touch??
We established my face is busted. What does that have to do with the discussion?
No, I don't eat like Adam, but that doesn't mean that I don't agree with it. As far as "the anabolics" go...I am very open about how much, how often, and even when I started. Not like it will make a difference. I will re-iterate what I have done. In 2011 I elected to go on HRT with 100mg of Test Cyp under the guidance of my doctor. Last year I had my blood work done, I discussed it with my doctor and she upped the dose to 200mg/wk. I changed doctors last year around August and continuesd on the same regiment up until December. I haven't been on anything for the last few months. I don't feel like paying the $$$$ for a new exam. Considering getting some UG stuff, but I am apprehensive because I don't think I want to take a chance on legitimacy of it.
Feel better Alex? I am lean overall...not just abs. Just an FYI
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thank you
saying a calorie is a calorie is the same as saying a gram is a gram or a degree is a degree
Because it is. 1lb of lead = 1lb of feathers. Are you the type that says muscle weighs more than fat?
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We established my face is busted. What does that have to do with the discussion?
No, I don't eat like Adam, but that doesn't mean that I don't agree with it. As far as "the anabolics" go...I am very open about how much, how often, and even when I started. Not like it will make a difference. I will re-iterate what I have done. In 2011 I elected to go on HRT with 100mg of Test Cyp under the guidance of my doctor. Last year I had my blood work done, I discussed it with my doctor and she upped the dose to 200mg/wk. I changed doctors last year around August and continuesd on the same regiment up until December. I haven't been on anything for the last few months. I don't feel like paying the $$$$ for a new exam. Considering getting some UG stuff, but I am apprehensive because I don't think I want to take a chance on legitimacy of it.
Feel better Alex? I am lean overall...not just abs. Just an FYI
thats all I needed to hear, thanks.
And no, even Adam doesnt eat like he posts on this board. Actually, since he is an experienced cooker, Its safe to assume he is much more picky when choosing his ingredients than anyone in here.
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Because it is. 1lb of lead = 1lb of feathers. Are you the type that says muscle weighs more than fat?
does 1lb of lead have the same value than 1lb of feathers? No, does 100 cals of protein have the same value for the body than 100 cals of marshmellow?? no. So trying to over simplificate things to look cool/rebel is useless at best, dangerous at worst.
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No, does 100 cals of protein have the same value for the body than 100 cals of marshmellow??
Value?
You need to define "value"
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Value?
You need to define "value"
ok but define "define" first so I can "define" "value" according to your "definition"
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And throw some pepper in.
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we've bumped heads a few times so if I am annoying just tell me to shut up :D ;)
He'll no, you're posts are very informative. :)
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thats all I needed to hear, thanks.
And no, even Adam doesnt eat like he posts on this board. Actually, since he is an experienced cooker, Its safe to assume he is much more picky when choosing his ingredients than anyone in here.
Of course it was. Just so you know, I that lean before my HRT. Often times I eat Lucky Charms in the morning instead of oatmeal...baked chips instead of yams...etc. You highlight the HRT and the 'dose' thing. Did you really read how much I am on? In case you haven't read it from me for the 1,000 of times I have said it on here....I competed drug free for 25yrs. Drug free pro in last few years. Stopped competing in 2008...never really lost near competition condition at that point because I was tired of not liking how I felt (was never perma bulker, just soft). If it will make you happy and giddy, I can show a pic of me in 2010 on vacation in Jamaica.
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does 1lb of lead have the same value than 1lb of feathers? No, does 100 cals of protein have the same value for the body than 100 cals of marshmellow?? no. So trying to over simplificate things to look cool/rebel is useless at best, dangerous at worst.
No one said that. But 1 calorie = 1 calorie = 1 calorie. THAT is Adams premise as well as others with the IIFYM mantra. Do yourself a favor....look up the definition of a calorie.
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I hate this shit called "Metabolic damage". Hit your face with a frying pan every time you utter such nonsense.
;D
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If a calorie is in a forest and no one is around to eat it, is it still a calorie?
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thank you
saying a calorie is a calorie is as usefull as saying a gram is a gram or a degree is a degree
A degree is a degree. It never changes, it's a constant unit of measurement.
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No one said that. But 1 calorie = 1 calorie = 1 calorie. THAT is Adams premise as well as others with the IIFYM mantra. Do yourself a favor....look up the definition of a calorie.
1 calorie = 1 calorie is his premisse, and the tautology is legit. The theory he built upon this premisse is obviously not.
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I just love how TA has been successfully runnin this stuff on Getbiggers for years and years now LOL!! Every new year a new crop of recruits joins the boards and falls prey.
And TA never, ever breaks character in public.....good on him!
Easily one of the best ownings ever.
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I just love how TA has been successfully runnin this stuff on Getbiggers for years and years now LOL!! Every new year a new crop of recruits joins the boards and falls prey.
And TA never, ever breaks character in public.....good on him!
Easily one of the best ownings ever.
He doesnt have to lie. It is the truth.
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TA has been beating the piss out of peoples minds here for years.
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He doesnt have to lie. It is the truth.
;D
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1 calorie = 1 calorie is his premisse, and the tautology is legit. The theory he built upon this premisse is obviously not.
Obvioulsy?
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NaCl Can`t be burned nor would it add any heat in a fire. Bam-Bam is a moron.
ya i've read some pretty stupid shit on here but this takes the cake.
not even worth debating a retard like this.
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these "debates" don't make any sense.
a calorie is a unit of measure not something that can be eaten.
hope this helps
Are you a solar powered robot by chance?
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ok but define "define" first so I can "define" "value" according to your "definition"
Calorific value , nutritional value you dumb fuck.
Don't bother responding , you don't have the brains to debate any further.
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Calorific value , nutritional value you dumb fuck.
Don't bother responding , you don't have the brains to debate any further.
I love getbig, place is full of retards calling each other retards, a calorie is a calorie trolls and shit, lol
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I love getbig, place is full of retards calling each other retards, a calorie is a calorie trolls and shit, lol
It's like saying an anus is an anus, but we know it's not true.
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No, does 100 cals of protein have the same value for the body than 100 cals of marshmellow??
Nutritionally the protein has more "value", as for calorific "value" they are the same.
I knew you wouldn't grasp the point of my post.
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It's like saying an anus is an anus, but we know it's not true.
an anus is an anus is a very good analogy. its true and it also doesnt mean shit (no pun).
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some people doesnt have enough brain to grasp the difference between real concepts and abstract ones like calories (and some do undersand but are just trolling).
In the real world, its impossible to eat calories alone. You eat a piece of matter that have lots of things in it, including calories.
Take for example salt. It has the propriety to make your organism retain water, thus gaining weight, and this effect is totally unrelated to the calorie aspect of it.
enough brain? nice one num nums.
salt is a mineral. zero calories. what about the topic of calories didnt you get?
and yes a calorie is a calorie. as far as weight loss is concerned, you will have a shitty body comp but you will lose weight
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enough brain? nice one num nums.
salt is a mineral. zero calories. what about the topic of calories didnt you get?
and yes a calorie is a calorie. as far as weight loss is concerned, you will have a shitty body comp but you will lose weight
sorry but thats not what trolls are preaching
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bambam wants to say a calorie is a calorie, but a macro isnt a macro.
but all macros are turned into calories :D
dont ruin the trolling, both sides :D
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dont ruin the trolling, both sides :D
Sorry, but you can`t disguise your ignorance as "trolling". Its obvious you thought you had an epiphany of some sort and thought people would hop on board in your corner. No, they realized that you really are a moron instead. :D
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Sorry, but you can`t disguise your ignorance as "trolling". Its obvious you thought you had an epiphany of some sort and thought people would hop on board in your corner. No, they realized that you really are a moron instead. :D
Dont need to be sorry youself...
you see, I could have googled that shit up but I didn't and made a mistake - and that's fine because it's only insecure people or underachievers that avoid at all costs to commit one.
and its funny that you adress me as a non troll but stays moot about yourself, lol, adonis the king of getbig, master of trolling.
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Dont need to be sorry youself...
you see, I could have googled that shit up but I didn't and made a mistake - and that's fine because it's only insecure people or underachievers that avoid at all costs to commit one.
and its funny that you adress me as a non troll but stays moot about yourself, lol, adonis the king of getbig, master of trolling.
Why didn`t you at least think about it a bit before you posted?
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the idea was to substitute protein intake for salty french fries. Changed it for salt at the last moment for the fun of it.
Now my turn to make a question. Why you never posted that video of back that claim of you deadlifting X pounds for like a hundred reps like you promissed you would
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Sorry, but you can`t disguise your ignorance as "trolling". Its obvious you thought you had an epiphany of some sort and thought people would hop on board in your corner. No, they realized that you really are a moron instead. :D
haha no need to try to prove him wrong, he discredits himself with the abundance of 'knowledge' he shows.
nothing like starting a thread calling someone out using your 'science', and your 'science' proving to be meer retardation. :D
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haha no need to try to prove him wrong, he discredits himself with the abundance of 'knowledge' he shows.
nothing like starting a thread calling someone out using your 'science', and your 'science' proving to be meer retardation. :D
its not science, its was challenge.
edited: took out the low blow.
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the idea was to substitute protein intake for salty french fries. Changed it for salt at the last moment for the fun of it.
Now my turn to make a question. Why you never posted that video of back that claim of you deadlifting X pounds for like a hundred reps like you promissed you would
So, at the end of the day, do you think your body really "knows" the difference if you get your total fat from egg yolks, bacon, and avocado vs. triple filtered flax oil, almonds, olive oil, and salmon?
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So, at the end of the day, do you think your body really "knows" the difference if you get your total fat from egg yolks, bacon, and avocado vs. triple filtered flax oil, almonds, olive oil, and salmon?
I thought we were talking about cals not macros? Macros is something much more useful to use as a guide than simply raw cal numbers.
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Body-building is very complex, it takes a real scholar-athlete to excel at it.
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Bam Bam getting lobotomized in this thread.
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to clarify the matter, if you want to understand food energy, there are generally TWO types of calories
empty calories and nutritious calories
active individuals will have a higher tolerance for empty calories
inactive folks will get fat or suffer from "malnutrition"
This is not a debate it's just confusion related to what's being said.
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to clarify the matter, if you want to understand food energy, there are generally TWO types of calories
empty calories and nutritious calories
active individuals will have a higher tolerance for empty calories
inactive folks will get fat or suffer from "malnutrition"
This is not a debate it's just confusion related to what's being said.
Post of the year candidate.
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to clarify the matter, if you want to understand food energy, there are generally TWO types of calories
empty calories and nutritious calories
active individuals will have a higher tolerance for empty calories
inactive folks will get fat or suffer from "malnutrition"
This is not a debate it's just confusion related to what's being said.
Empty Calories. Do you think they will invent Empty Gasoline that I can fill a car up with so that way I don`t have to fill up the car with Gasoline at all?
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I thought we were talking about cals not macros? Macros is something much more useful to use as a guide than simply raw cal numbers.
I thought I asked a pretty straight forward question. BTW, why is it people take things to the absolute extreme when stuff like this come up. "Ok, asshole, so I could eat butter all day and it wouldn't matter??" Adam has pointed out REPEATEDLY (as do the IIFYM) people that you probably would be fine with the RDA in protein as well as fat (I believe it was fat too). Beyone that, if you need 2000 it really wouldn't matter how you got it.
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Empty Calories. Do you think they will invent Empty Gasoline that I can fill a car up with so that way I don`t have to fill up the car with Gasoline at all?
there is shitty gas that will fuck up your engine due to the consequences of ethanol content and there is the gas that the engineers thought was going to be put in the car. So that's the analogy.
If you want to discuss "food energy" then empty refers to the nutritional content not the energy content.
the issues of nutrition and energy need to be delaminated.
at that point this will turn into a "debate"!!!!!
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there is shitty gas that will fuck up your engine due to the consequences of ethanol content and there is the gas that the engineers thought was going to be put in the car. So that's the analogy.
If you want to discuss "food energy" then empty refers to the nutritional content not the energy content.
the issues of nutrition and energy need to be delaminated!!!!!
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Its really irrelevant since anyone who is obese is certainly beyond maxxed out as far as their nutritional needs are concerned. Furthermore, meeting basic nutritional needs, even for someone bodybuilding regularly is easy to do and requires no real planning if one eats like a normal person and is not limiting themselves in some hare-brained way. Eat normally and you will meet this all by default.
I just got a Special Edition Blue Bell Ice Cream that I am about to try. 8)
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I eat a balanced diet and its what most people would call "normal", I stay in shape by eating a bit more or less depending on how I look.
Its simple.
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Its really irrelevant since anyone who is obese is certainly beyond maxxed out as far as their nutritional needs are concerned. Furthermore, meeting basic nutritional needs, even for someone bodybuilding regularly is easy to do and requires no real planning if one eats like a normal person and is not limiting themselves in some hare-brained way. Eat normally and you will meet this all by default.
I just got a Special Edition Blue Bell Ice Cream that I am about to try. 8)
I can't imagine anyone would disagree.
The fine grained dietary analysis creates a lot of confusion. Some people just like to analyse stuff.
You can eat pretty much anything that is a FOOD and get where you want.
enjoy the ice cream 8)
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yo mr turbo, explain please how can a calorie be empty,serious question, i never understood this.
does this mean the body has no way to store it other than as bodyfat?
It is just a term nutritionist use to describe a calorie that will not benefit you in anyway. For example calories from protein are good cause they will give you valuable amino acids and some calories from rice, potatoes, oats etc but anything you do not need would be classified under the term ''empty calories''
so what turbo is trying to say I think is why waist the calories on empty shit when you can be eating food with nutritional value when you are already limited on calories due to trying to keep under your calorie maintenance. I agree with him.
From experience there is no room for a bodybuilder to eat chocolate, cookies and doughnuts 2 weeks out while trying to keep below maintenance, by this time his calorie maintenance has already plummeted to low numbers and he needs to be eating lots of protein since it is easier to lose muscle in the lower bodyfat levels.
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It is just a term nutritionist use to describe a calorie that will not benefit you in anyway. For example calories from protein are good cause they will give you valuable amino acids and some calories from rice, potatoes, oats etc but anything you do not need would be classified under the term ''empty calories''
so what turbo is trying to say I think is why waist the calories on empty shit when you can be eating food with nutritional value when you are already limited on calories due to trying to keep under your calorie maintenance. I agree with him.
From experience there is no room for a bodybuilder to eat chocolate, cookies and doughnuts 2 weeks out while trying to keep below maintenance, by this time his calorie maintenance has already plummeted to low numbers and he needs to be eating lots of protein since it is easier to lose muscle in the lower bodyfat levels.
If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.
Look up the term "Rabbit Starvation".
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It is just a term nutritionist use to describe a calorie that will not benefit you in anyway. For example calories from protein are good cause they will give you valuable amino acids and some calories from rice, potatoes, oats etc but anything you do not need would be classified under the term ''empty calories''
so what turbo is trying to say I think is why waist the calories on empty shit when you can be eating food with nutritional value when you are already limited on calories due to trying to keep under your calorie maintenance. I agree with him.
From experience there is no room for a bodybuilder to eat chocolate, cookies and doughnuts 2 weeks out while trying to keep below maintenance, by this time his calorie maintenance has already plummeted to low numbers and he needs to be eating lots of protein since it is easier to lose muscle in the lower bodyfat levels.
An Oatmeal Cookie has more nutritional value gram for gram then eating just Oatmeal. ;)
Also, the reason why cookies should be eaten is because they taste good.
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An Oatmeal Cookie has more nutritional value gram for gram then eating just Oatmeal. ;)
Also, the reason why cookies should be eaten is because they taste good.
well then that cookie does not fall under empty calories ;)
If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.
Look up the term "Rabbit Starvation".
No argument there.
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Caloric deficit = weight loss (regardless of source). Quality of diet can lead to death. Not the same thing.
A calorie still equals a calorie.
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how about you only get your calories from alcohol.. optimal physique?
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It's generally accepted that FOOD energy is made up of different calorie types.
So called "empty" calories have their place which seems to confuse many people.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/10/scientists-suggest-beer-after-workout/
Researchers at Granada University in Spain have found that beer can help the body rehydrate better after a workout than water or Gatorade. Professor Manuel Garzon also claimed the carbonation in beer helps to quench the thirst and that its carbohydrate content can help replace lost calories, The Telegraph reports.
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It is just a term nutritionist use to describe a calorie that will not benefit you in anyway. For example calories from protein are good cause they will give you valuable amino acids and some calories from rice, potatoes, oats etc but anything you do not need would be classified under the term ''empty calories''
so what turbo is trying to say I think is why waist the calories on empty shit when you can be eating food with nutritional value when you are already limited on calories due to trying to keep under your calorie maintenance. I agree with him.
From experience there is no room for a bodybuilder to eat chocolate, cookies and doughnuts 2 weeks out while trying to keep below maintenance, by this time his calorie maintenance has already plummeted to low numbers and he needs to be eating lots of protein since it is easier to lose muscle in the lower bodyfat levels.
you know adonis is just trolling right? still thank you for the detailed and coherent explanation...
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Body-building is very complex, it takes a real scholar-athlete to excel at it.
This.
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look at shizzo81 and judge for yourself ;D
for entertainment value, question to adam, why did fatpanda fail with his calorie is calorie kitkat diet?
He didn`t. He lost over 150 lbs and still had a lot more to lose. He left the site and never came back so we don`t know what happened. He did succeed though.
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If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.
are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11
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are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11
A calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro Nutrient. I have always said this my resident moron. Do a search if you don`t believe me.
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are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11
oh shit Adam, he got you on this one ;Dlmao
if a calorie is a calorie, then when in the wild you only eat protein calories, why is it that you die?
dam that was funny
so a calorie is not a calorie in the wild, lolololl NOW I GET IT :D
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oh shit Adam, he got you on this one ;Dlmao
if a calorie is a calorie, then when in the wild you only eat protein calories, why is it that you die?
dam that was funny
so a calorie is not a calorie in the wild, lolololl NOW I GET IT :D
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A calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro Nutrient. I have always said this my resident moron. Do a search if you don`t believe me.
So the kinds of calories do matter ???
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So the kinds of calories do matter ???
Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit. Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit. Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
what ??? now we are back tracking, lol
just fucken with you lol ;) just twisting up the words :D
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this was kinda funy comeback and somewhat proves youre not as retarded as the first post suggests
you got to admit that was pretty clever of bam bam, I loled ;D
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what ??? now we are back tracking, lol
just fucken with you lol ;) just twisting up the words :D
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I have said that for years and years and years. Please do a search so you see it for yourself. Also, you can refer back to Krankenstein`s posts.
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what ??? now we are back tracking, lol
just fucken with you lol ;) just twisting up the words :D
I just did a search and picked the first one that came up. 2007.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=136305.msg1932519#msg1932519
Re: TA: The true test of "a calorie is a calorie"
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2007, 11:42:15 AM »
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A calorie is a Calorie.
A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.
It is infeasible to construct such a diet and you could not meet the RDA,DRI guidelines.
For optimal health, I advise to meet these guidelines.
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I just did a search and picked the first one that came up. 2007.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=136305.msg1932519#msg1932519
Re: TA: The true test of "a calorie is a calorie"
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2007, 11:42:15 AM »
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A calorie is a Calorie.
A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.
It is infeasible to construct such a diet and you could not meet the RDA,DRI guidelines.
For optimal health, I advise to meet these guidelines.
bro, I was only kidding
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bro, I was only kidding
It was more for Bam-Bam.
He wasn`t kidding.
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A calorie (a measure of heat) is an imperfect measure. I have said this before. There are many factors involved in liberating energy in the form of heat from the macronutrients. Why on earth are people separating macros from the calories (measure of heat) they provide? How energy is liberated from the different macros is unique as the macros themselves (edit- up until Kreb's and even then there are two entry points into the Kreb's cycke that amino acids can exploit). As far as nutritionist saying empty calories are useless is not true. If one is starving then by all means eat empty calories (empty being defined as not accompanied by vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, nucleosides, fiber, or water). Constant ingestion of empty calories is not recommended. Finally, I forget the exact post but someone said a cookie is more nutritionally dense gram for gram then oatmeal. Again, not true, even the opposite cannot truthfully be said because nutrition density compares micronutrient against micronutrient in comparable caloric substrates. One must pick a nutrient and compare it and then make a statement based on that single nutrient. Example, milk is more nutritionally dense in Calcium then soymilk.
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A calorie (a measure of heat) is an imperfect measure. I have said this before. There are many factors involved in liberating energy in the form of heat from the macronutrients. Why on earth are people separating macros from the calories (measure of heat) they provide? How energy is liberated from the different macros is unique as the macros themselves (edit- up until Kreb's and even then there are two entry points into the Kreb's cycke that amino acids can exploit). As far as nutritionist saying empty calories are useless is not true. If one is starving then by all means eat empty calories (empty being defined as not accompanied by vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, nucleosides, fiber, or water). Constant ingestion of empty calories is not recommended. Finally, I forget the exact post but someone said a cookie is more nutritionally dense gram for gram then oatmeal. Again, not true, even the opposite cannot truthfully be said because nutrition density compares micronutrient against micronutrient in comparable caloric substrates. One must pick a nutrient and compare it and then make a statement based on that single nutrient. Example, milk is more nutritionally dense in Calcium then soymilk.
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I can make a 100 gram oatmeal cookie that is nutritionally superior overall (macro and micro nutrient wise as well as taste) to just 100 grams of plain oats and water.
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Depends on what you are comparing. I tried to explain that nutritional density is not based on grams (weight) but calories. At the outset, your cookie (I have to admit I would take the challenge just to eat free cookies) would automatically have less fiber (an essential nutrient in my view) than the cookie. So lets say we are comparing potassium in a 250 calorie cookie versus 250 calories of oatmeal (weight is immaterial). So an oatmeal (not yours I venture but for now) cookie would have 96 mg potassium, 1.5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams protein. Oatmeal? 165 gms potassium, 12 gms fiber, 5 grams protein.
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Depends on what you are comparing. I tried to explain that nutritional density is not based on grams (weight) but calories. At the outset, your cookie (I have to admit I would take the challenge just to eat free cookies) would automatically have less fiber (an essential nutrient in my view) than the cookie. So lets say we are comparing potassium in a 250 calorie cookie versus 250 calories of oatmeal (weight is immaterial). So an oatmeal (not yours I venture but for now) cookie would have 96 mg potassium, 1.5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams protein. Oatmeal? 165 gms potassium, 12 gms fiber, 5 grams protein.
I could easily up the fiber by adding different ingredients.
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Ahhh, but now you are going to throw off the flavor ever so slightly as well as the texture or what we call the 'mouth-feel' of the finished product. As you know, there are structure makers and structure breakers in baking and adding fiber is not a fix without having to balance out the recipe. Also, what about the other nutrients I brought up, potassium & protein?
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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit. Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
So you admit that you must take in a number of a certain type of calories to meet your RDA before you can eat whatever you want?
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If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.
Look up the term "Rabbit Starvation".
Doesn't that make protein only diets pretty stupid even in the short term?
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So you admit that you must take in a number of a certain type of calories to meet your RDA before you can eat whatever you want?
Have you not been paying attention for years and years?
You meet these needs by default and would have to go out of your way NOT to meet them so it really is not a relevant question. How many times do I have to post that and for how many more years? :D
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Doesn't that make protein only diets pretty stupid even in the short term?
No, cause there is no such a thing as protein only diets, these so called protein only diets have fat in them and lots of vegetables so hardly a ''protein only" diet. it is a term used for people who diet without complex carbs
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Have you not been paying attention for years and years?
I don't really pay too much attention. :P
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Have you not been paying attention for years and years?
You meet these needs by default and would have to go out of your way NOT to meet them so it really is not a relevant question. How many times do I have to post that and for how many more years? :D
Do you really think everyone is paying attention to your posts?
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Have you not been paying attention for years and years?
I don't really pay too much attention. :P
Nice work on the quote function ::)
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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit. Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
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Bingo.
Therefore a calorie is NOT a calorie.
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chaos owning ta by pointing out the contradictions in his posts in this thread
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Bingo.
Therefore a calorie is NOT a calorie.
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chaos owning ta by pointing out the contradictions in his posts in this thread
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Are you really this ignorant in real life or are you just trying to mimic the stupidity of Bikinislut as a new hobby of yours?
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I don't get why people can't grasp that a calorie is just a unit of measurement so a calorie is always a calorie. It doesn't change. Same as a mile per hour is a mile per hour. It's not a hard concept.
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I don't get why people can't grasp that a calorie is just a unit of measurement so a calorie is always a calorie. It doesn't change. Same as a mile per hour is a mile per hour. It's not a hard concept.
Somehow they don`t grasp that both a Ferrari and a Toyota can do 60 Miles Per Hour and travel at the same speed and get you to the same destination at the same exact time, yet are different cars. In this case the Ferrari=Carbohydrates and the Toyota=Protein. 8)
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Somehow they don`t grasp that both a Ferrari and a Toyota can do 60 Miles Per Hour and travel at the same speed and get you to the same destination at the same exact time, yet are different cars. In this case the Ferrari=Carbohydrates and the Toyota=Protein. 8)
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who want to drive a toyota if they can drive a ferrari
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;D
who want to drive a toyota if they can drive a ferrari
Precisely why I bake cakes. ;)
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Bingo.
Therefore a calorie is NOT a calorie.
Bingo??
So with that logic, I can over eat 1,000 of one thing for a month and not get any fatter, but with 1,000 calories of another I will?
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Bingo??
So with that logic, I can over eat 1,000 of one thing for a month and not get any fatter, but with 1,000 calories of another I will?
BS just made a thread blaming her coach about the way she looks on stage bro, she is just argumentative and does not know how to keep her mouth shut yet come show time she looks like shit. Maybe if she would just shut the fuck and listen for a change
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BS just made a thread blaming her coach about the way she looks on stage bro, she is just argumentative and does not know how to keep her mouth shut yet come show time she looks like shit. Maybe if she would just shut the fuck and listen for a change
Onetimehard,
Its just the "metabolic damage" she suffers from. (I love how she always looks for excuses) :D
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Onetimehard,
Its just the "metabolic damage" she suffers from. (I love how she always looks for excuses) :D
This is what cheaters do when they do not have the will, not only she has an excuse like it is a decease but she also blames her coach, when we all know she binged every other day
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This is what cheaters do when they do not have the will, not only she has an excuse like it is a decease but she also blames her coach, when we all know she binged every other day
The fact that she even needed a "coach" speaks volumes. She then comes on here with all the wrong advices, apparently parroting whatever her "coach" has told her. I`d take the "coach" to small claims court if I were her and learn how to rake leaves and lift weights.
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Nice work on the quote function ::)
You're quite the quoter yourself, stud. 8)
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I think there are a few studies knocking around(like the one below) that suggest that different macro breakdowns when dieting give differing results in terms of body composition.
Background:A high-protein (HP), low-fat weight-loss diet may be advantageous for improving cardiometabolic health outcomes and body composition. To date, only limited research has been conducted in male participants.Objective:To evaluate the medium to long-term effects of two, low-fat, hypocaloric diets differing in carbohydrate:protein ratio on body composition and cardiometabolic health outcomes in overweight and obese males.Design:One hundred and twenty males (age 50.8±9.3 (s.d.) years, body mass index 33.0±3.9 kg m(-2)) were randomly assigned and consumed a low-fat, isocaloric, energy-restricted diet (7 MJ per day) with either HP (protein:carbohydrate:fat %energy, 35:40:25) or high carbohydrate (HC; 17:58:25). Body weight, body composition and cardiometabolic risk factors were assessed at baseline and after 12 and 52 weeks.Results:Sixty-eight participants completed the study (HP, n=33; HC, n=35). At 1 year both the groups experienced similar reductions in body weight (HP, -12.3±8.0 kg (-12%); HC, -10.9±8.6 kg (-11%); P=0.83 time × group interaction) and fat mass (-9.9±6.0 kg (-27%) vs -7.3±5.8 kg (-22%); P=0.11). Participants who consumed the HP diet lost less fat-free mass (-2.6±3.7 kg (-4%) vs -3.8±4.7 kg (-6%); P<0.01). Both groups experienced similar increases in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (8%) and reductions in total cholesterol (-7%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (-9%), triglycerides (-24%), glucose (-3%), insulin (-38%), blood pressure (-7/-12%) and C-reactive protein (-29%), (P0.14).Conclusion:In overweight and obese men, both a HP and HC diet reduced body weight and improved cardiometabolic risk factors. Consumption of a HP diet was more effective for improving body composition compared with an HC diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23448804
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I think there are a few studies knocking around(like the one below) that suggest that different macro breakdowns when dieting give differing results in terms of body composition.
Background:A high-protein (HP), low-fat weight-loss diet may be advantageous for improving cardiometabolic health outcomes and body composition. To date, only limited research has been conducted in male participants.Objective:To evaluate the medium to long-term effects of two, low-fat, hypocaloric diets differing in carbohydrate:protein ratio on body composition and cardiometabolic health outcomes in overweight and obese males.Design:One hundred and twenty males (age 50.8±9.3 (s.d.) years, body mass index 33.0±3.9 kg m(-2)) were randomly assigned and consumed a low-fat, isocaloric, energy-restricted diet (7 MJ per day) with either HP (protein:carbohydrate:fat %energy, 35:40:25) or high carbohydrate (HC; 17:58:25). Body weight, body composition and cardiometabolic risk factors were assessed at baseline and after 12 and 52 weeks.Results:Sixty-eight participants completed the study (HP, n=33; HC, n=35). At 1 year both the groups experienced similar reductions in body weight (HP, -12.3±8.0 kg (-12%); HC, -10.9±8.6 kg (-11%); P=0.83 time × group interaction) and fat mass (-9.9±6.0 kg (-27%) vs -7.3±5.8 kg (-22%); P=0.11). Participants who consumed the HP diet lost less fat-free mass (-2.6±3.7 kg (-4%) vs -3.8±4.7 kg (-6%); P<0.01). Both groups experienced similar increases in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (8%) and reductions in total cholesterol (-7%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (-9%), triglycerides (-24%), glucose (-3%), insulin (-38%), blood pressure (-7/-12%) and C-reactive protein (-29%), (P0.14).Conclusion:In overweight and obese men, both a HP and HC diet reduced body weight and improved cardiometabolic risk factors. Consumption of a HP diet was more effective for improving body composition compared with an HC diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23448804
Not that it matters really, but both results are about the same and within margin of error percentage wise. In other words both outcomes were virtually the same and it really made no difference either approach. :-\
Especially if you were going by the mirror. Totally insignificant.
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does any one know how to strength train while dieting?
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does any one know how to strength train while dieting?
Lift heavy shit.
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Lift heavy shit.
This ^^.
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That^^.
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a dozen halotestin pre workout
All natural ???
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That^^.
...and the other thing
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Not that it matters really, but both results are about the same and within margin of error percentage wise. In other words both outcomes were virtually the same and it really made no difference either approach. :-\
Especially if you were going by the mirror. Totally insignificant.
Body composition doesn't really matter when dieting? ???
Also the High P group lost 5% more overall weight and held onto 2% more muscle ....I would say that is a pretty significant difference...And it is worth bearing in mind that most BB style diets would be far more extreme(in terms of high protein) so the difference may be even more pronounced with a typical BB diet.
And another
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
This study assessed the effectiveness of a prescribed weight-loss diet with 0.8 versus 1.4 g protein·kg(-1) day(-1) on changes in weight, body composition, indices of metabolic syndrome, and resting energy expenditure (REE) in overweight and obese men.
DESIGN AND METHODS:
Men were randomized to groups that consumed diets containing 750 kcal day(-1) less than daily energy needs for weight maintenance with either normal protein (NP, n = 21) or higher protein (HP, n = 22) content for 12 weeks. The macronutrient distributions of the NP and HP diets were 25:60:15, and 25:50:25 percent energy from fat, carbohydrate, and protein, respectively. Assessments were made pre and post intervention. The subjects were retrospectively subgrouped into overweight and obese groups.
RESULTS AND CONCLUSION:
Both diet groups lost comparable body weight and fat. The HP group lost less lean body mass than the NP group (-1.9 ± 0.3 vs. -3.0 ± 0.4 kg). The effects of protein and BMI status on lean body mass loss were additive. The reductions in total cholesterol, HDL-C, triacylglycerol, glucose, and insulin, along with LDL-C, total cholesterol-to-HDL-C ratio, and HOMA-IR, were not statistically different between NP and HP. Likewise, macronutrient distributions of the diet did not affect the reductions in REE, and blood pressure. In conclusion, energy restriction effectively improves multiple clinical indicators of cardiovascular health and glucose control, and consumption of a higher-protein diet and accomplishing weight loss when overweight versus obese help men preserve lean body mass over a short period of time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23592676
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Body composition doesn't really matter when dieting? ???
Also the High P group lost 5% more overall weight and held onto 2% more muscle ....I would say that is a pretty significant difference...And it is worth bearing in mind that most BB style diets would be far more extreme(in terms of high protein) so the difference may be even more pronounced with a typical BB diet.
And another
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
This study assessed the effectiveness of a prescribed weight-loss diet with 0.8 versus 1.4 g protein·kg(-1) day(-1) on changes in weight, body composition, indices of metabolic syndrome, and resting energy expenditure (REE) in overweight and obese men.
DESIGN AND METHODS:
Men were randomized to groups that consumed diets containing 750 kcal day(-1) less than daily energy needs for weight maintenance with either normal protein (NP, n = 21) or higher protein (HP, n = 22) content for 12 weeks. The macronutrient distributions of the NP and HP diets were 25:60:15, and 25:50:25 percent energy from fat, carbohydrate, and protein, respectively. Assessments were made pre and post intervention. The subjects were retrospectively subgrouped into overweight and obese groups.
RESULTS AND CONCLUSION:
Both diet groups lost comparable body weight and fat. The HP group lost less lean body mass than the NP group (-1.9 ± 0.3 vs. -3.0 ± 0.4 kg). The effects of protein and BMI status on lean body mass loss were additive. The reductions in total cholesterol, HDL-C, triacylglycerol, glucose, and insulin, along with LDL-C, total cholesterol-to-HDL-C ratio, and HOMA-IR, were not statistically different between NP and HP. Likewise, macronutrient distributions of the diet did not affect the reductions in REE, and blood pressure. In conclusion, energy restriction effectively improves multiple clinical indicators of cardiovascular health and glucose control, and consumption of a higher-protein diet and accomplishing weight loss when overweight versus obese help men preserve lean body mass over a short period of time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23592676
A high protein diet is 25 percent and a low protein diet is 15 percent? ???
This is stupid. Sorry.
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I eat more protein than the supposed "high protein" diet tested above. What a silly study.
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Have you not been paying attention for years and years?
You meet these needs by default and would have to go out of your way NOT to meet them so it really is not a relevant question. How many times do I have to post that and for how many more years? :D
Excellent.
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Excellent.
would have been better if he had backed it up with 5 year old pics
that he had taken proffesionally to come third in an online bb contest with 5 entrantsw
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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit. Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
Nutritional minimums according to the DRI (dietary reference intake)
Females 19-30 y/o
-carbs 130g/day
--fiber 28g/day
-protein 46g/day
-fat
--omega 6 12g/day
--omega 3 1.1g/day
Males 19-30 y/o
-carbs 130g/day
--fiber 38g/day
-protein 56g/day
-fat
--omega 6 17g/day
--omega 3 1.3g/day
All these minimums are easily met, despite fiber, which a daily fiber supplement can take care of.
http://fnic.nal.usda.gov/dietary-guidance/dietary-reference-intakes/dri-tables
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would have been better if he had backed it up with 5 year old pics
that he had taken proffesionally to come third in an online bb contest with 5 entrantsw
Professional Pics taken by Jezebelle? Coming in third? When did this happen? ???
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Professional Pics taken by Jezebelle? Coming in third? When did this happen? ???
What kind of name is "Jezebelle"? Tell her to get a name change and some plastic surgery to boot.
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What kind of name is "Jezebelle"? Tell her to get a name change and some plastic surgery to boot.
Are you a fan of plastic surgery? You must be old and have experience with botox already eh?
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Are you a fan of plastic surgery? You must be old and have experience with botox already eh?
I'm actually saving up to get my gyno tits cut out.
Jizzbucket on the other hand needs extensive surgery, not botox.
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I'm actually saving up to get my gyno tits cut out.
Jizzbucket on the other hand needs extensive surgery, not botox.
I knew you were flawed. You might as well tell them to add some Bicep implants while you are there. Pathetic. I bet when you go to the pool you keep your shirt on. hahahahha
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I knew you were flawed. You might as well tell them to add some Bicep implants while you are there. Pathetic. I bet when you go to the pool you keep your shirt on. hahahahha
Why did you go with an ugly chick? is it because you're ugly too, with a peanut sized head?
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Why did you go with an ugly chick? is it because you're ugly too, with a peanut sized head?
No. I did it because she has bigger biceps than you and is taller.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229869.0;attach=268959;image)
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salt doesn't even have calories, shitnuts. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/spices-and-herbs/216/2
also there's this thing called common sense, yeah a calorie is a calorie but a macro isn't a macro, you still need to hit all your intake needs for the day, not just straight up calories. wtf am i reading?
(http://files.sharenator.com/t259690_MY_HEAD_IS_FULL_OF_FUCK_How_many_Continents_are_there-s450x268-236907-580.jpg)
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would have been better if he had backed it up with 5 year old pics
that he had taken proffesionally to come third in an online bb contest with 5 entrantsw
They're closer to 7 years old... but who's counting. :D
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This reminds me one time of a black girl in the gym that came up to Jezebelle and I when I was squatting. She was amazed by the 315 I was doing for reps and asked me point blank, "how many calories DO Ice have in it?".
I kid you not. I told her none and she had the most bewildered look upon her face.
i'm thinking she meant something different by "ice" than what you thought she meant.
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A high protein diet is 25 percent and a low protein diet is 15 percent? ???
This is stupid. Sorry.
Exactly one of the points I was making, the high protein diet in that study (25%p) is far less protein than a typical BB diet and yet the 'HP' group still showed a positive difference in body composition compared to the group on a 15% protein diet. So who knows how much greater that difference would be with a more typical BB(much higher protein) diet...
And 25% protein is considered high protein by mainstream experts, i'm sure the daily recommended amount of protein is around 60grams , so about 240cals, which is probably around 10-15% of total cals . So 25% protein is nearly double mainstream rec amount.
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yes but the opposition to this theory claims a macro isnt a macro, bc macros are metabolized differently.
which is obviously true.
but how much a difference does it make for recreational bodybuilder gym rats who keep overal calries in check.
is it even worth the debate?
is it even worth constrcuting diets for non training people who got bit fat and seek a short term fix for their stupidness?
It's not.
Adonis is right, so are you. You achieve same goal - caloric restriction just by different means.
You say - eat a lot of protein (you will need it) and veggies (they will keep you full) therefore you achieve caloric restriction and loose fat.
Adonis says - eat whatever and count calories. Different approach, end result is the same.
For 95% of people out there the only diet advice they need is - eat fucking 2000 calories and move a lot. That's it. Everyone knows how to compose your meals anyway, that's not some fucking voodoo magic. And yes some people do respond better to higher carbs, some people do respond better to higher fats. But you don't really have to pay so much attention. If you get bloated on carbs even with that restriction then by all means just get those 2k calories mainly from fats.
To get lower than 10% MAYBE you will need to pay attention to details, like - eliminate carbs, load carbs, get most of the calories after workout or whatever. But 10% is not far from 8% and who needs less anyway.
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TA beating the piss out of people around here lately.
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A thought.. If you eat say 2000 calories in one sitting. You won't absorb 100 % of it right - some of it will pass through.
Also the body will use more energy handling it than eating closer to what you can absorb.
Aren't different calories easier or more energy demanding to absorb by the body?
Wouldn't those facts mean a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to digestion ???
I'm no expert, but I think that is true.
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I'm no expert, but I think that is true.
i'm pretty sure it all gets digested, food takes something like 6 to 8 hours to fully pass through your stomach, plenty of time absorb all the calories. they cals you don't use don't simply vanish, they just get stored as fat.