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Will go into detail later.
Pope Francis is the false Prophet.
By anti-christ I mean the one on the Bible. He is the man of perdition and boy did he fool alot of motherfuckers.
That is all. You thought he was bad, you aint seen nothin yet....b,b,baby you aint seen nothin yet.
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wiggs, have you had some kind of mental breakdown these past few months ? i dunno, i never had you down for this much of a mad, tinfoil hatter.. am i missing something ???
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Wiggs watch this and it will reaffirm your thoughts
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I thought it was settled.
I'm glad it's Obama now.
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Will go into detail later.
Pope Francis is the false Prophet.
By anti-christ I mean the one on the Bible. He is the man of perdition and boy did he fool alot of motherfuckers.
That is all. You thought he was bad, you aint seen nothin yet....b,b,baby you aint seen nothin yet.
A crazy half latina meth head I used to bang said the same thing before Obama was even elected. It was.... disconcerting.
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The world would be a better place if politics & religions were separated..
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No, I'm perfectly fine. Obama is the Anti-Christ, God help us all. If you're not saved, you're gonna be fucked when the believers are raptured and you're left here to deal with a new version of Obama when he's fully powered by Satan.
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I thought it was settled.
I'm glad it's Obama now.
Linking me to those guys is like linking you to the KKK. It's baseless. Nice try though prick.
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Wiggs watch this and it will reaffirm your thoughts
I just saw how long it is. I'll watch it later today and post. I'm 99% sure, Obama is the Anti-Christ.
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wiggs, have you had some kind of mental breakdown these past few months ? i dunno, i never had you down for this much of a mad, tinfoil hatter.. am i missing something ???
Pretty sure it's heat-stroke... or too much weed.
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Pretty sure it's heat-stroke... or too much weed.
lol. No.
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No, I'm perfectly fine. Obama is the Anti-Christ, God help us all. If you're not saved, you're gonna be fucked when the believers are raptured and you're left here to deal with a new version of Obama when he's fully powered by Satan.
I respect your religion bro, but there's no need to spread the word. This is what causes so many conflicts in this world, but religious people seem blind to this.. :-\
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I just saw how long it is. I'll watch it later today and post. I'm 99% sure, Obama is the Anti-Christ.
If you're 99% sure Obama is the anti-christ, then you must have some very definitive evidence to back this up. Could you please post up this evidence for us? :D
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Linking me to those guys is like linking you to the KKK. It's baseless. Nice try though prick.
look at the text under your avatar
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look at the text under your avatar
No shit.
How many different denominations of Christians do you see? How many are the truth with lies or batshit crazy stuff? These guys are no different. We are the real Hebrews that is fact BUT these guys preach hate and not love and that's not what Yahshua was about.
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Is this your evidence that Bohama is the anti-christ? ???
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No shit.
How many different denominations of Christians do you see? How many are the truth with lies or batshit crazy stuff? These guys are no different. We are the real Hebrews that is fact BUT these guys preach hate and not love and that's not what Yahshua was about.
I already know you're better than that.
And I'm not trying to pin anything on you Wiggs. Truth is I didn't even try to link you at all. But after you flew off the handle, and seeing your text, I thought wtf might as well... :D
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......yes. That is all!
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Wiggs, answer this please,since you seem to be in the loop. What exactly do people do in heaven? I'm pretty sure there will not be any sex, booze or drugs and probably no TV. One can only take so much of listening to the harp.
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please seek for help soon!!
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Wiggs, answer this please,since you seem to be in the loop. What exactly do people do in heaven? I'm pretty sure there will not be any sex, booze or drugs and probably no TV. One can only take so much of listening to the harp.
chillin' on the Astral Plane and looking at the Akashic Records.
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Op's ebony genetics only allows a certain level of intelligence, that is hindered further by drug abuse, and intellectual neglect.
Being dumb as a rock must be fun.
I mean, Johnny Falcon seems like a genius compared to this turd.
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No wonder Islam is growing, it has the best version of heaven for heterosexuals.
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hahahaha
stay away from the pipe
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Uncle%20Tom
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Is this really the last pope?
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If the world ends then yes... Last pope.
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Will go into detail later.
Pope Francis is the false Prophet.
By anti-christ I mean the one on the Bible. He is the man of perdition and boy did he fool alot of motherfuckers.
That is all. You thought he was bad, you aint seen nothin yet....b,b,baby you aint seen nothin yet.
he's too chaotic of a figure, to many people dislike him , remember the anti crist will be loved by most and the world will see him as an extremely worldly figure. 50% of Americans don't like him, 25% Americans voted for him cause he's black and the rest are straight ticket democrats. I really believe he's just one of those guys who believes he's smarter than everyone else and know what best for the US and should not be questioned
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Haha - one of dockidds vids. Always a pleasure.
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Wiggs is taking top spot over Anabolichalo ;D
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No, I'm perfectly fine. Obama is the Anti-Christ, God help us all. If you're not saved, you're gonna be fucked when the believers are raptured and you're left here to deal with a new version of Obama when he's fully powered by Satan.
Wiggy a U one of those blacks dress up in silk robes on Time Square
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Will go into detail later.
Pope Francis is the false Prophet.
By anti-christ I mean the one on the Bible. He is the man of perdition and boy did he fool alot of motherfuckers.
That is all. You thought he was bad, you aint seen nothin yet....b,b,baby you aint seen nothin yet.
What? Wiggs I thought you knew the Bible? I guess I was wrong, the prophesies in the Bible regarding the coming anti Christ that takes place in the ''end times'' happen after the rebuilding of the Temple in Jurusalem. Every Biblical scholar knows that, come on now bro,... lol.
There has been talks about this for 30 years, so we know it will happen soon (rebuilding the temple) The process will probably take at least 5 years. Now let's say they begin building in 5 years and it takes 5 years, the anti Christ would be after 10 years minimum, but who knows it can be 50 years from now or even more.
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Man, this new Pope is revolutionary minded, just on the news
he is supporting youth revolt on the streets........... :D :D :D
Conservative Vatican would get rid of him :-\ :-\ :-\
Plus he talks near G-string/topless Mecca, Copacabana beach ;D ;D
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Wiggs is sliding into Falcon territory now...
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No, I'm perfectly fine. Obama is the Anti-Christ, God help us all. If you're not saved, you're gonna be fucked when the believers are raptured and you're left here to deal with a new version of Obama when he's fully powered by Satan.
Christians will also have to live through the tribulation sir. Pre-tribulation rapture is an American culture myth.
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Christians will also have to live through the tribulation sir. Pre-tribulation rapture is an American culture myth.
I am also a post tribulation rapture believer. The argument can be made on both sides I suppose.
But what can not be argued is the building of the third Temple before tribulation, this is a must, sorry Wiggs try again in 20 years, maybe the Temple will be up by then ;)
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
Obama is pure evil you sad little man.
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
So, Jesus is fictional, now? Damn, when did Getbiggers prove that?
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Oh how the blacks have turned their backs on Obama after he showed them anything is possible in dis white mans world.
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Oh how the blacks have turned their backs on Obama after he showed them anything is possible in dis white mans world.
Black man would never ever be Russian prez ;D
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I just saw how long it is. I'll watch it later today and post. I'm 99% sure, Obama is the Anti-Christ.
you were 100 percent sure the world was going to end last year
at this point its important you go and see a doctor
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
Santa Claus (St Nicholas) was a real person. I believe jesus was also a real person. Both of these men have had they're humanly exploits vastly embellished over time. Tbombz is the easter bunny,
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
There is more historical records in ancient texts mentioning Jesus then there is any other historical figure from antequity including Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus of Persia. Hell even Achilles, Helen of troy and Hector have way less references.
The references for Jesus also are greater then half the Pharaohs of Egypt and Half the Caesar of Rome.
How much more proof of a man existence do you want, at least 12 non, biblical ANCIENT DOCUMENTS RECORDING THE HISTORICAL Jesus.
If you claim he is not real, then with the same logic Alexander the Great is not real, Helen of Troy is not Real, Cyrus is not real and half the Pharaoh`s are not real ;)
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How much more proof of a man existence do you want, at least 12 non, biblical ANCIENT DOCUMENTS RECORDING THE HISTORICAL Jesus.
Are you sure they all refer to the same bloke?
Im sure there were a few Jesus around at the time.
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Wiggs is taking top spot over Anabolichalo ;D
blacks always prevail over white
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There is more historical records in ancient texts mentioning Jesus then there is any other historical figure from antequity including Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus of Persia. Hell even Achilles, Helen of troy and Hector have way less references.
The references for Jesus also are greater then half the Pharaohs of Egypt and Half the Caesar of Rome.
How much more proof of a man existence do you want, at least 12 non, biblical ANCIENT DOCUMENTS RECORDING THE HISTORICAL Jesus.
If you claim he is not real, then with the same logic Alexander the Great is not real, Helen of Troy is not Real, Cyrus is not real and half the Pharaoh`s are not real ;)
Besides the gospels themselves, independent historical records of Jesus are scarce. Two of the three "independent" accounts of Jesus such as those of Josephus are considered by most non-biased historians to be forgeries or heavily altered much later. But none of that should matter.
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he's too chaotic of a figure, to many people dislike him , remember the anti crist will be loved by most and the world will see him as an extremely worldly figure. 50% of Americans don't like him, 25% Americans voted for him cause he's black and the rest are straight ticket democrats. I really believe he's just one of those guys who believes he's smarter than everyone else and know what best for the US and should not be questioned
just a reminder - obama won the nobel peace prize... for getting elected. the world for the first time in thousands of years believed that the little guy could stand on top. a man who would have been a slave in this country 200 years prior to his election brought hope and a glimpse of light to a world long exhausted by murderous tyrants and corrupt sellouts at the helm. Now we have a man of "the people"... who does the most charismatic thing no matter what... and blinds peoples eyes to the rapidly deteriorating world around them.. (specifically the past 3 months)...
one thing i would point out = if any prophecy has any element of truth in it (and not just a lucky guess), then its likely that the prophecy also has a transcendence. a transcendence that would make its predicted outcome ( in this case - the satanic plot is allowed to go only as far as needed and then every single individual, including all of those who did even conspire with satan, ascends into a greater consciousness or "divine paradise") appear to be the most probable one. I would not encourage the conspirators though, i believe the prophecy says they are to suffer greatly from plagues of locusts that look like men and that have tails like scorpions and are to have great earthquakes and floods and spirits among them given god-like powers with which they cause great torment. all this to teach the last of the lost what it is they have been missing. and then we can re unite greater than we were in the beginning, hopefully to meet others like ourself in a realm of champion gods of great glory
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Besides the gospels themselves, independent historical records of Jesus are scarce. Two of the three "independent" accounts of Jesus such as those of Josephus are considered by most non-biased historians to be forgeries or heavily altered much later. But none of that should matter.
Ptolemies account on Alexander was accused of being a forgery too, Homer`s Iliad and Odyssey was proved to be a copy of the original since it was written 300 years after the occurrences.
Every historical document is short of being 100% authentic, that`s the way it works when you are dealing with ancient texts, does not change anything, these are the standards of documentations we have come to accept with all historical figures.
I have no problem if someone does not believe in the historical Jesus as long as he applies the same logic with other historical figures and therefor must also not believe in Alexander the great`s existence either given the same logic.
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Ptolemies account on Alexander was accused of being a forgery too, Homer`s Iliad and Odyssey was proved to be a copy of the original since it was written 300 years after the occurrences.
Every historical document is short of being 100% authentic, that`s the way it works when you are dealing with ancient texts, does not change anything, these are the standards of documentations we have come to accept with all historical figures.
I have no problem if someone does not believe in the historical Jesus as long as he applies the same logic with other historical figures and therefor must also not believe in Alexander the great`s existence either given the same logic.
why take issue in any circumstance?if you have a task to accomplish and taking issue helps achieve that task in the most effective and effecient way you know how - ok.. but otherwise? always two sides to see.
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why take issue in any circumstance?if you have a task to accomplish and taking issue helps achieve that task in the most effective and effecient way you know how - ok.. but otherwise? always two sides to see.
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English please
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Ptolemies account on Alexander was accused of being a forgery too, Homer`s Iliad and Odyssey was proved to be a copy of the original since it was written 300 years after the occurrences.
Every historical document is short of being 100% authentic, that`s the way it works when you are dealing with ancient texts, does not change anything, these are the standards of documentations we have come to accept with all historical figures.
I have no problem if someone does not believe in the historical Jesus as long as he applies the same logic with other historical figures and therefor must also not believe in Alexander the great`s existence either given the same logic.
That is a great point. That is why I believe all of these men existed. Obviously, you have to take each man's life (as it is written) with some fiction thrown in. Hell, even George Washington is looked at as a godly figure in American history. Imagine Washington's legacy 1,000 years from now.
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Ptolemies account on Alexander was accused of being a forgery too, Homer`s Iliad and Odyssey was proved to be a copy of the original since it was written 300 years after the occurrences.
Every historical document is short of being 100% authentic, that`s the way it works when you are dealing with ancient texts, does not change anything, these are the standards of documentations we have come to accept with all historical figures.
I have no problem if someone does not believe in the historical Jesus as long as he applies the same logic with other historical figures and therefor must also not believe in Alexander the great`s existence either given the same logic.
I'm not arguing for the authenticity of any other historical figure. All im saying is, the number of historical documents on jesus are small and they have obvious signs of being tampered with. Someone who is heavily invested in proving the documents as genuine are less likely to see errors and inconsistencies.
A certain point must be clarified, I've heard the argument about there being more evidence for Jesus than Alexander. However, this is not exactly correct. How they derive that opinion is based on a bit of mathematical manipulation. Look it up, it's fascinating.
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What makes someone an 'anti-Christ', only because he/she doesn't believe in Jesus' (historical) existence, or what?
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I'm not arguing for the authenticity of any other historical figure. All im saying is, the number of historical documents on jesus are small and they have obvious signs of being tampered with. Someone who is heavily invested in proving the documents as genuine are less likely to see errors and inconsistencies.
A certain point must be clarified, I've heard the argument about there being more evidence for Jesus than Alexander. However, this is not exactly correct. How they derive that opinion is based on a bit of mathematical manipulation. Look it up, it's fascinating.
I will double check everything but outside of Ptolemy there really is almost nothing on Alexander, however, there is a statue and a coin bearing his name as well.
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What makes someone an 'anti-Christ', only because he/she doesn't believe in Jesus' (historical) existence, or what?
pretty much but the one Wiggs is referring to is the main anti-Christ spoken of in revelations.
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I will double check everything but outside of Ptolemy there really is almost nothing on Alexander, however, there is a statue and a coin bearing his name as well.
Keep digging. There is more. You've got to be careful where youre getting information from. I'd suggest avoiding sources who already agree with your position. You are likely to find anything of worth there.
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I will double check everything but outside of Ptolemy there really is almost nothing on Alexander, however, there is a statue and a coin bearing his name as well.
Many, many coins my friend. Which indicates a ruler with a world-wide currency system. Many things of Alexander were surely exaggerated. However, I believe he was a fantastic military general who conquered much of the known world at the time. How could anyone argue the fighting between his generals after Alexander's death? There were documented dynasties that can be traced back to Alexander's court.
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What makes someone an 'anti-Christ', only because he/she doesn't believe in Jesus' (historical) existence, or what?
it is a character in a story. supposedly a true story - yet to happen. this character is seen as being the nemesis of christ but i think thats a misunderstanding and overly critical analysis. anti christ would be christs yin to his own yang to some extent in my idea. not a bad perosn, equally devoted to his values as christ, but adamant against martyrdom to the extent of willing armageddon to avoid pre-mature death.
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The apostles are historical - would you get crucified upside down for Santa Claus?
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The apostles are historical - would you get crucified upside down for Santa Claus?
Would 19 crazy Arabs crash a plane into the World Trade Center for Santa Claus?
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What if guys like Jesus, Moses, etc.... were early christian re-writes of famous Greek and Roman gods. What if the Cristians, like the Muslims etc.... created the "Jesus" character (among others) to make the religion more down to earth? Instead of gods like Zues, Hades Etc........ They wanted a more human approach. Something that the people could relate to.
A poor carpenter.
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What if guys like Jesus, Moses, etc.... were early christian re-writes of famous Greek and Roman gods. What if the Cristians, like the Muslims etc.... created the "Jesus" character (among others) to make the religion more down to earth? Instead of gods like Zues, Hades Etc........ They wanted a more human approach. Something that the people could relate to.
A poor carpenter.
It's very likely Jesus existed.
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The apostles are historical - would you get crucified upside down for Santa Claus?
Santa claus is historical too. St. Nicholas was the original inspiration for the Santa story.
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It's very likely Jesus existed.
A agree, but we need to explore all options/angles. It is fascinating.
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A agree, but we need to explore all options/angles. It is fascinating.
It is also very possible that much of the Jesus mythology was, to put it mildly, elaborated on by others.
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Keep digging. There is more. You've got to be careful where youre getting information from. I'd suggest avoiding sources who already agree with your position. You are likely to find anything of worth there.
I certainly don`t do that. I study history and have so forever. Most documentation is a derivative from Ptolemies work. Who else wrote about him that did not get his info from Ptolemy? NO ONE, he had no family, they all got killed, it was 300 BC, there was not much writing at the time and the division of the empire when he died scattered the military and the governing bodies. Not much was saved.
Many, many coins my friend. Which indicates a ruler with a world-wide currency system. Many things of Alexander were surely exaggerated. However, I believe he was a fantastic military general who conquered much of the known world at the time. How could anyone argue the fighting between his generals after Alexander's death? There were documented dynasties that can be traced back to Alexander's court.
No there is not though, just Ptolemies dynasty, that`s it. The other territories that trace back to Alexander are gathered information fro Ptolemies work, nothing more.
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It is also very possible that much of the Jesus mythology was, to put it mildly, elaborated on by others.
My theory is that Jesus was absolutely real. He was a good man that came around at the perfect point in history. I'm sure that he became immensley popular. Something that Rome would have hated.
Jesus was a martyr. Like Martin Luther King jr. Remember guys, time has a way of making gods of men. Imagine Mr. King's legacy amongst African Americans in 200, 500, 1,000 years?
Jesus was the ultimate trendsetter.
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I certainly don`t do that. I study history and have so forever. Most documentation is a derivative from Ptolemies work. Who else wrote about him that did not get his info from Ptolemy? NO ONE, he had no family, they all got killed, it was 300 BC, there was not much writing at the time and the division of the empire when he died scattered the military and the governing bodies. Not much was saved.
No there is not though, just Ptolemies dynasty, that`s it. The other territories that trace back to Alexander are gathered information fro Ptolemies work, nothing more.
I'm looking at a vast source of documentation on Alexander right now. But this wasnt the thrust of my point. My main focus was on the Jesus historical record.
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Several years I might have agreed with you Wiggs but his popularity is declining. He came out of nowhere (like scripture states) but his popularity is turning.
He is a great speaker but is full of empty promises that alot of people who voted for him are seeing through now. Kennedy would be my guess in the last century who could have been the anti-Christ according to scripture.
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I'm looking at a vast source of documentation on Alexander right now. But this wasnt the thrust of my point. My main focus was on the Jesus historical record.
yes all derivatives of Ptolemies work. Look at the dates, they will not match the ten year period when Alexander reigned, I studied this very thouroughly.
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The bible is just a fairy tale with a moral and not meant to be taken literally.
It was written by mere human beings and that's it. It does contain some good rules to live by while others some of it's content is just utter bullshit but that's probably because it was written quite a while ago.
I can't believe people actually believe the stories in there ??? Jesus is not a historical person, it's just a fictional character just like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
There is no such thing as an anti-christ, you don't have to fear Obama more than any other president of the US before him. Hope I could comfort some of you :-*
the bible ,whether you are a Christian or not contain more historical facts than probably any other book written dumb fuck. Obviously you have never read a verse.
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My theory is that Jesus was absolutely real. He was a good man that came around at the perfect point in history. I'm sure that he became immensley popular. Something that Rome would have hated.
Jesus was a martyr. Like Martin Luther King jr. Remember guys, time has a way of making gods of men. Imagine Mr. King's legacy amongst African Americans in 200, 500, 1,000 years?
Jesus was the ultimate trendsetter.
Jesus was a regional phenomenon of very little renown. During this period the region was overrun with messianic figures from various religous sects of which Jesus was one. The only threat he posed was to the existing Jewish religious institutions of his day. To the Romans, he was as significant as an ant.
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yes all derivatives of Ptolemies work. Look at the dates, they will not match the ten year period when Alexander reigned, I studied this very thouroughly.
No they aren't derivatives of ptolemies work. You're argument is a very common one employed by Christian apologists and has been refuted many times, often by theologians. I have no dog in this fight. My whole point was, the evidence for a historical Jesus is thin. This shouldnt matter to the faithful at all.
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Guys, there almost certainly was a Jesus. The same thing for the Prophet Muhammad. There is no way you create millions of followers without having some root of truth.
Damn, then at the same time I look to the ancient gods. How did so many people believe in them? I know part of it was to explain away the natural phenomenon that they did not comprehend. Yet we can compare Jesus's bible exploits to that of a Zeus.
My opininion= the bible is a fairy tale. Jesus as a man can be respected.
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the bible ,whether you are a Christian or not contain more historical facts than probably any other book written dumb fuck. Obviously you have never read a verse.
No it doesn't
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pretty much but the one Wiggs is referring to is the main anti-Christ spoken of in revelations.
it is a character in a story. supposedly a true story - yet to happen. this character is seen as being the nemesis of christ but i think thats a misunderstanding and overly critical analysis. anti christ would be christs yin to his own yang to some extent in my idea. not a bad perosn, equally devoted to his values as christ, but adamant against martyrdom to the extent of willing armageddon to avoid pre-mature death.
Thanks, both of you, for shining a light on this (it took me some time to dig yours, Tbombz ;) ).
So, as in many religious debates, this is just another example of interpretation, right? I'm always fascinated about how sensitive religious/fundamentalist/dogmatic people can react, when someone has another point of view on things, esp the fundamental ones like the explanation of our existence, moral issues and so on. Can't they move one, and accept that not everyone share the same beliefs? Why is this so hard, just another ego-thing?
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Guys, there almost certainly was a Jesus. The same thing for the Prophet Muhammad. There is no way you create millions of followers without having some root of truth.
Damn, then at the same time I look to the ancient gods. How did so many people believe in them? I know part of it was to explain away the natural phenomenon that they did not comprehend. Yet we can compare Jesus's bible exploits to that of a Zeus.
My opininion= the bible is a fairy tale. Jesus as a man can be respected.
Jesus's contribution to human consciousness is immeasurable.
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No they aren't derivatives of ptolemies work. You're argument is a very common one employed by Christian apologists and has been refuted many times, often by theologians. I have no dog in this fight. My whole point was, the evidence for a historical Jesus is thin. This shouldnt matter to the faithful at all.
you just stirred off topic with a silly attack, stick with the program bro. You just contributed nothing towards your argument.
List the people and the quotes from them and I will tell you what year these people lived in to prove my point.
BTW I think those Christian groups are hypocrites and close minded, sorry don`t gather info from there ever
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Y2K
Heaven's Gate Hale–Bopp comet cult
End of the world December 21, 2012
Obama is the antichrist
Next?
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My theory is that Jesus was absolutely real. He was a good man that came around at the perfect point in history. I'm sure that he became immensley popular. Something that Rome would have hated.
Jesus was a martyr. Like Martin Luther King jr. Remember guys, time has a way of making gods of men. Imagine Mr. King's legacy amongst African Americans in 200, 500, 1,000 years?
Jesus was the ultimate trendsetter.
Yes, I believe Jesus was real as well.
But for the Romans he was insignificant, I think the local Roman leadership viewed it as a domestic dispute between the Jews and carried out the requests of the local religious leaders for crucifxion in order to placate them.
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Jesus was a regional phenomenon of very little renown. During this period the region was overrun with messianic figures from various religous sects of which Jesus was one. The only threat he posed was to the existing Jewish religious institutions of his day. To the Romans, he was as significant as an ant.
I do not agree with this. If, the story of Jesus is to be believed in any capacity, it would end in his crucifixion by the hands of Pontius Pilate. All of that other magical shit is pure fantasy.
If Jesus really existed, he created a movement (much like Martin Luther King Jr.) and was feared for it.
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you just stirred off topic with a silly attack, stick with the program bro. You just contributed nothing towards your argument.
List the people and the quotes from them and I will tell you what year these people lived in to prove my point.
BTW I think those Christian groups are hypocrites and close minded, sorry don`t gather info from there ever
I'm not going to do your work for you. You put forth an argument that you heard somewhere else and now you have to do the research necessary to prove it right or wrong. You're obviously becoming upset and I didn't intend for that to happen. You have an emotional investment in being Jesus that I dont have. I never attack anyone.
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I'm not going to do your work for you. You put forth an argument that you heard somewhere else and now you have to do the research necessary to prove it right or wrong. You're obviously becoming upset and I didn't intend for that to happen. You have an emotional investment in being Jesus that I dont have. I never attack anyone.
Wow. I could not have said it any better myself. I am not a religious person, yet I do believe Jesus was a real, influential, (maybe even a great) man. However, I have never taken the bible seriously.
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No it doesn't
sure it does
5 Caesars of the Roman empire
Ptolemy
Greek rule
Persian empire and the acheadmenid dynasty
Darius
Xerxes
Cyrus
Babylonian Rule
King Nebuchadnezzar
Assyrian rule
Essarhaddon
Sennacherib
Sargon
Tiglath Pilaser
King David and King Solomon
Egyptian and Egyptian Pharaohs
Wars
Revolutions
Conquests
and everything in between is found in the Bible.
That is over 1000 years of extensive historical facts that him been verified through outside sources and archaeology.
150 Biblical cities have been verified to exist, over 200 Biblical characters have been accepted by University professors.
Sorry bro, but no ancient text even comes close as an accurate historical narrative.
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sure it does
5 Caesars of the Roman empire
Ptolemy
Greek rule
Persian empire and the acheadmenid dynasty
Darius
Xerxes
Cyrus
Babylonian Rule
King Nebuchadnezzar
Assyrian rule
Essarhaddon
Sennacherib
Sargon
Tiglath Pilaser
King David and King Solomon
Egyptian and Egyptian Pharaohs
Wars
Revolutions
Conquests
and everything in between is found in the Bible.
That is over 1000 years of extensive historical facts that him been verified through outside sources and archaeology.
150 Biblical cities have been verified to exist, over 200 Biblical characters have been accepted by University professors.
Sorry bro, but no ancient text even comes close as an accurate historical narrative.
Yes it contains facts however it's not proof hence why religion is based on belief. What about all the contradictions? like the imaginary Roman census that Jesus' parents had to attend which there is NO Roman record of? I could go on but you get the point.
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Really guys? Santa Claus was proven real! If Santa Claus can have such an important role in our lives, why not Jesus?
Look at how the legend of St. Nicholas has changed within a few hundred years.
Jesus = Santa Claus. I am not shitting you. In fact, if any publishers want to contact me via pm.... I'm sure we can have a best seller here.
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I'm not going to do your work for you. You put forth an argument that you heard somewhere else and now you have to do the research necessary to prove it right or wrong. You're obviously becoming upset and I didn't intend for that to happen. You have an emotional investment in being Jesus that I dont have. I never attack anyone.
not upset at all, you are not proving nothing as I consider this a debate, but maybe you decided I was right and you are wrong and decided to opt out. The information I a have presented I gathered in University by a University professor in a University class as a University student.
In fact the direct quotes from the history professor ( who hated Christians BTW) was ``The only historical documentation on Alexander is from Ptolemy, every other work came later or derived from Ptolemy.``
You will not do the work for me??? LMAO, so why debate if you are just going to fold and cop out.
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Yes it contains facts however it's not proof hence why religion is based on belief. What about all the contradictions? like the imaginary Roman census that Jesus' parents had to attend which there is NO Roman record of? I could go on but you get the point.
That is a different argument for another day. I am only addressing your comment the way I understood it. The guy said the Bible is the biggest history book and you took the opposition. To me a historical Narrative that takes place over 1000 year span and include 200 historical verified figures and 150 verified cities is indeed the biggest history book out there from antequity.
Does this prove in anyway that Jesus walked on water? obviously not, but that was not my point.
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There is actual history, and then there is legendary shit. Man has always been a man. Stories are meant to last the test of time.
The fact that we are even arguing this topic, makes every ancient historian a winner.
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Many, many coins my friend. Which indicates a ruler with a world-wide currency system. Many things of Alexander were surely exaggerated. However, I believe he was a fantastic military general who conquered much of the known world at the time. How could anyone argue the fighting between his generals after Alexander's death? There were documented dynasties that can be traced back to Alexander's court.
I agree.
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not upset at all, you are not proving nothing as I consider this a debate, but maybe you decided I was right and you are wrong and decided to opt out. The information I a have presented I gathered in University by a University professor in a University class as a University student.
In fact the direct quotes from the history professor ( who hated Christians BTW) was ``The only historical documentation on Alexander is from Ptolemy, every other work came later or derived from Ptolemy.``
You will not do the work for me??? LMAO, so why debate if you are just going to fold and cop out.
No, you dragged me into a conversation about Alexander when my original comment related to the historical Jesus. There are no creditable sources for the existence of Jesus outside the gospels. There are references to Alexander from other sources other than Ptolemy. But even if there weren't, Plotemy is a far more creditable source than the gospels. The writers had an investment in the gospels.
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wiggs, have you had some kind of mental breakdown these past few months ? i dunno, i never had you down for this much of a mad, tinfoil hatter.. am i missing something ???
:P ;D get ready.
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No, you dragged me into a conversation about Alexander when my original comment related to the historical Jesus. There are no creditable sources for the existence of Jesus outside the gospels. There are references to Alexander from other sources other than Ptolemy. But even if there weren't, Plotemy is a far more creditable source than the gospels. The writers had an investment in the gospels.
Josephus is just as credible as anyone, if he was not then University professors who are atheist would not use him as a historical reference and they do, in fact historians around the world at every major University use him.
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No, you dragged me into a conversation about Alexander when my original comment related to the historical Jesus. There are no creditable sources for the existence of Jesus outside the gospels. There are references to Alexander from other sources other than Ptolemy. But even if there weren't, Plotemy is a far more creditable source than the gospels. The writers had an investment in the gospels.
Holy shit. You have summed up religion in 4 words.
RELIGION IS AN INVESTMENT.
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Josephus is just as credible as anyone, if he was not then University professors who are atheist would not use them as a historical reference and they do, in fact historians around the world at every major University use him.
His references to Jesus are believed to have been altered. They didnt even appear in his writings until 100 years after his death. They don't fit contextually either. A Jew like jophephus would never have called Jesus the Christ.
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His references to Jesus are believed to have been altered. They didnt even appear in his writings until 100 years after his death. They don't fit contextually either. A Jew like jophephus would never have called Jesus the Christ.
And you say I gather my info from conspiracy theorist and biased Christian groups, lmao. :D
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Here is a gem. Nobody ever wins these debates. ;D
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Here is a gem. Nobody ever wins these debates. ;D
X2
It's all ego..
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And you say I gather my info from conspiracy theorist and biased Christian groups, lmao. :D
This is mainstream historical though not conspiracy nonsense. Legitimate religous scholars, not bible college hacks, acknowledge something is fundamentally off about Josephus's brief passages on Christ.
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Here is a gem. Nobody ever wins these debates. ;D
They don't because one side values factual information and truth for truths sake, while the other needs to prove the thing they desperately need to be true, is true. Two different motivations and two different methods.
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They don't because one side values factual information and truth for truths sake, while the other needs to prove the thing they desperately need to be true, is true. Two different motivations and two different methods.
Faith vs. Facts on the next UFC!!!!!
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This is mainstream historical though not conspiracy nonsense. Legitimate religous scholars, not bible college hacks, acknowledge something is fundamentally off about Josephus's brief passages on Christ.
well according to my University professor, who hates Christians BTW, Josephus`s historical account of Jesus is accurate. So excuse me if I don`t believe your claim and think it is silly. ;)
They don't because one side values factual information and truth for truths sake, while the other needs to prove the thing they desperately need to be true, is true. Two different motivations and two different methods.
again another pointless gibberish opinion, stay on topic
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well according to my University professor, who hates Christians BTW, Josephus`s historical account of Jesus is accurate. So excuse me if I don`t believe your claim and think it is silly. ;)
again another pointless gibberish opinion, stay on topic
Why would a professor hate christians?
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Why would a professor hate christians?
I don`t know but he did, he would always make smart remarks and call us idiots :D
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If anyone thinks something written 2000 years ago by anyone is accurate and truthful then you have rocks in your head.
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well according to my University professor, who hates Christians BTW, Josephus`s historical account of Jesus is accurate. So excuse me if I don`t believe your claim and think it is silly. ;)
again another pointless gibberish opinion, stay on topic
You can choose to believe one individual over a plethora of others who disagree, that is your right. You can choose to disregard the evidence that indicates Josephus's writings were altered, that is your right. You can choose to believe what is in the best interest of maintaining your belief, that is your right.
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There will always be an eternal stalemate on this topic. There are only opinions held by the smartest people on both sides. Jesus is either smiling, or facepalming right now.
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Seven years into Barack "Saddam" Hussein Obama's presidency we will all stand back aghast as the gates of hell are split wide open before our very eyes.
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again another pointless gibberish opinion, stay on topic
Unnecessary comment. Slinging insults doesn't help your case. I was commenting on a shizzo post and I stand by my comment. You have an emotional investment and a life commitment to religion that I do not have.
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There will always be an eternal stalemate on this topic. There are only opinions held by the smartest people on both sides. Jesus is either smiling, or facepalming right now.
One side is playing the chess, the other with themselves.
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You can choose to believe one individual over a plethora of others who disagree, that is your right. You can choose to disregard the evidence that indicates Josephus's writings were altered, that is your right. You can choose to believe what is in the best interest of maintaining your belief, that is your right.
noted and you can choose to believe that your ``plethora`` of individuals who are spreading that Josephus `s works was altered are not biased and don`t have an agenda, that`s is your right.
And you can choose to believe that more people think that then not, that is your right.
again you added nothing to your argument. Stay on topic ;)
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One side is playing the chess, the other with themselves.
again nothing, stay on topic ;)
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Im predicting a meltdown soon.
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again another pointless gibberish opinion, stay on topic
This on topic? I always remain on topic when addressing your posts.
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Unnecessary comment. Slinging insults doesn't help your case. I was commenting on a shizzo post and I stand by my comment. You have an emotional investment and a life commitment to religion that I do not have.
no insult being slung at all, that is an opinion on your behalf that I think is gibberish, where is the insult?
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Im predicting a meltdown soon.
Not from me.
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no insult being slung at all, that is an opinion on your behalf that I think is gibberish, where is the insult?
I believe what you're saying is gibberish. Not even original gibberish but recycled gibberish you picked up from someone else. You're obviously upset because you've increased your aggression level. You have to understand, I have no emotional investment. This isn't personal as it is for you.
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This thread has delivered so far. Keep up the good work. Wiggs, stay out of it.
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This on topic? I always remain on topic when addressing your posts.
you always give your gibberish opinion that info is gathered from a Creationist site, which is not, your gibberish opinion that I am blind by faith, which I am not, gibberish opinion on a credible historians work being falsified, mean while every professor on the planet has accepted his work and the historical Jesus is accepted by every single University on the planet based on Josephus`s writing so until that changes you are just talking gibberish.
Again opinions and gibberish is what you are selling, I am delivering views accepted by Universities.
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noted and you can choose to believe that your ``plethora`` of individuals who are spreading that Josephus `s works was altered are not biased and don`t have an agenda, that`s is your right.
And you can choose to believe that more people think that then not, that is your right.
again you added nothing to your argument. Stay on topic ;)
You choose to believe one person whose opinion just so happens to conform to your own. You have zero inclination to seek out evidence that contradicts your preconceptions.
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I believe what you're saying is gibberish. Not even original gibberish but recycled gibberish you picked up from someone else. You're obviously upset because you've increased your aggression level. You have to understand, I have no emotional investment. This isn't personal as it is for you.
So you think the views from Oxford University and all other major universities are gibberish?
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I have Archer slightly ahead on the card. Onetimehard seems to be punching himself out of the fight.
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You choose to believe one person whose opinion just so happens to conform to your own. You have zero inclination to seek out evidence that contradicts your preconceptions.
I choose to believe all the major Universities in the world who claim Jesus is in fact a historical figure and they justify this notion based on jOSEPHUS`S WORK, OVER AN INTERNET WARRIOR WHO PROBABLY LIVES IN HIS MOM`S BASEMENT ;D ;D
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Lots of gibberish on both sides of late. :D
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I have Archer slightly ahead on the card. Onetimehard seems to be punching himself out of the fight.
Not at all as I am not even giving my opinion here, only a view shared by all the Universities in the world. Archer is stating opinion only.
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you always give your gibberish opinion that info is gathered from a Creationist site, which is not, your gibberish opinion that I am blind by faith, which I am not, gibberish opinion on a credible historians work being falsified, mean while every professor on the planet has accepted his work and the historical Jesus is accepted by every single University on the planet based on Josephus`s writing so until that changes you are just talking gibberish.
Again opinions and gibberish is what you are selling, I am delivering views accepted by Universities.
I only recommended you broaden your search to include sources that don't share your opinion. This ensure a modicum of intellectual honesty. Josephus's passages on Jesus are not accepted by every single university. This is either gross ignorance and/or arrogance on your part to even make such a bold assertion. You can continue to say speak gibberish, truth has no ego and therefore is unaffected by insults.
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Not at all as I am not even giving my opinion here, only a view shared by all the Universities in the world. Archer is stating opinion only.
You can't make such claims in the absence of evidence.
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Lots of gibberish on both sides of late. :D
What gibberish am I giving?, Explain? His position is Josephus`s has false works and that is against what the historians teach in University and all I am doing is calling him out on his opinion, how is this gibberish shizzo?
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I choose to believe all the major Universities in the world who claim Jesus is in fact a historical figure and they justify this notion based on jOSEPHUS`S WORK, OVER AN INTERNET WARRIOR WHO PROBABLY LIVES IN HIS MOM`S BASEMENT ;D ;D
Moms basement, real original. About as original as your arguments. And the caps only indicate further how close to breaking down you are. I did not want this. In the face of increasing hostilities I choose to remain civil as Jesus did.
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Looks like its deja vu all over again for Mr. Wiggs.
As to the rapture? Well suffice to say given your well known and very base proclivities, you're not going anywhere anytime soon. I have told you before that a faith of words is nothing. And even more so when the words are random and without merit.
That pretty much sums up the topic of this thread.
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What gibberish am I giving?, Explain? His position is Josephus`s has false works and that is against what the historians teach in University and all I am doing is calling him out on his opinion, how is this gibberish shizzo?
Your claim is patently untrue.
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I only recommended you broaden your search to include sources that don't share your opinion. This ensure a modicum of intellectual honesty. Josephus's passages on Jesus are not accepted by every single university. This is either gross ignorance and/or arrogance on your part to even make such a bold assertion. You can continue to say speak gibberish, truth has no ego and therefore is unaffected by insults.
If you study theology in University they separate the facts from the theories and historical identities are either accepted or rejected and the historical Jesus is accepted by any university that teaches history (which is every University)
They conclude that the historical Jesus is not accepted based on the Biblical text but by verification of Josephus works. This is the fact at hand, you saying no they are not means shit, go take a history course in university and see for yourself.
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What gibberish am I giving?, Explain? His position is Josephus`s has false works and that is against what the historians teach in University and all I am doing is calling him out on his opinion, how is this gibberish shizzo?
I was merely poking fun at the fact that both of you used the word gibberish in recent posts. Want to know a fact? Faith is not a fact. History is not a fact. We do not know what happened over 2000+ years ago. Faith is not factual, and intellectuals don't have life's playbook.
It is all just banter in the end.
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Moms basement, real original. About as original as your arguments. And the caps only indicate further how close to breaking down you are. I did not want this. In the face of increasing hostilities I choose to remain civil as Jesus did.
about as original as you argument that my information is gathered by Creationist sites ::)
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I was merely poking fun at the fact that both of you used the word gibberish in recent posts. Want to know a fact? Faith is not a fact. History is not a fact. We do not know what happened over 2000+ years ago. Faith is not factual, and intellectuals don't have life's playbook.
It is all just banter in the end.
Faith is not a fact, no one said it was. Certain historical points can be verified so again you are wrong. We do not know details about what happen 2000 years ago, but I am pretty sure there was Rome back then.
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If you study theology in University they separate the facts from the theories and historical identities are either accepted or rejected and the historical Jesus is accepted by any university that teaches history (which is every University)
They conclude that the historical Jesus is not accepted based on the Biblical text but by verification of Josephus works. This is the fact at hand, you saying no they are not means shit, go take a history course in university and see for yourself.
I'll only address the part that is relevant to me. There are many historians who believe Josephus passages on Jesus were fabricated or altered much later to place Jesus in historical context. I have a masters degree in history, I know how historical research is conducted and have personally had conversations with professors who believe this.
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Oh oh, looks like archer just stopped to do some google searches lmao ;D
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about as original as you argument that my information is gathered by Creationist sites ::)
I never used the word creationist sights that can remember. I suspect you have based on the fact that your argument is directly taken from such places. What I wanted you to do is broaden your scope of research by seeking out opinions that differ from your own. It's good advice.
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Faith is not a fact, no one said it was. Certain historical points can be verified so again you are wrong. We do not know details about what happen 2000 years ago, but I am pretty sure there was Rome back then.
You are only picking certain points. Of course we can get a broad history of the ancient world. Only a fool would believe more than basic facts. Everything else is just elaborate storytelling.
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I'll only address the part that is relevant to me. There are many historians who believe Josephus passages on Jesus were fabricated or altered much later to place Jesus in historical context. I have a masters degree in history, I know how historical research is conducted and have personally had conversations with professors who believe this.
I am sure there are some who believe this, I have no doubt at all, but what I know is they do not teach that in history class as it is still accepted as his context on Jesus is beyond a reasonable doubt. When that changes i will accept that argument until then I won`t.
BTW you have a masters degree in history, well I have a PhD in history lol :)
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Oh oh, looks like archer just stopped to do some google searches lmao ;D
What are you referring to? What about keeping on topic? So, instead of engaging in a reasonable debate you're going to try to make this personal? I'm going to turn the other cheek, as Jesus would.
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I never used the word creationist sights that can remember. I suspect you have based on the fact that your argument is directly taken from such places. What I wanted you to do is broaden your scope of research by seeking out opinions that differ from your own. It's good advice.
and what makes you think I have not done that? because I disagree with you on a few points?
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What are you referring to? What about keeping on topic? So, instead of engaging in a reasonable debate you're going to try to make this personal? I'm going to turn the other cheek, as Jesus would.
it was a joke, HELLO
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This is an awesome thread. Great job guys.
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You are only picking certain points. Of course we can get a broad history of the ancient world. Only a fool would believe more than basic facts. Everything else is just elaborate storytelling.
shizzo go have a few beers
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I am sure there are some who believe this, I have no doubt at all, but what I know is they do not teach that in history class as it is still accepted as his context on Jesus is beyond a reasonable doubt. When that changes i will accept that argument until then I won`t.
BTW you have a masters degree in history, well I have a PhD in history lol :)
I honestly do. My focus is East Asia, mainly Japan. I understand what youre trying to do. Instead of being civil and having a friendly debate you're going to mock me now. I'm not going to do that.
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Jesus of Nazareth did indeed walk this earth. What seems to bother some people is not so much that fact, but whether or not the claims to His divinity are true.
If you choose to not to believe in the Christ you also need to choose not to be bothered by the "supposed" consequences of said denial. If Christ is false you need not worry about judgment. If you are secure in your unbelief in the Christ, why bother to belittle it in others?
If.
Now the same must be said to those that choose to believe in (and truly follow) Jesus of Nazareth. Do not belittle those that choose not to believe in Him. If what Christ stood for (or in the case of believers, "stands for") was not worthy then it would merit derision. But of course, His life was one of kindness, mercy, morality and value.
This test is true of any so called religious figure. Take Joseph Smith or Mohammed if you will. Men playing at being prophets but in reality they were in it for profit. Such as these two are worthy of contempt and their actions while alive show as much.
And yes, the same is true of many, many Popes. Sad.
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shizzo go have a few beers
Thats not fair. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
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and what makes you think I have not done that? because I disagree with you on a few points?
Because you make broad easily disproven statements like every university on the planet agrees with you.
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Thats not fair. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
As much as attacking me personally or trying to mock me does.
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I am sure there are some who believe this, I have no doubt at all, but what I know is they do not teach that in history class as it is still accepted as his context on Jesus is beyond a reasonable doubt. When that changes i will accept that argument until then I won`t.
BTW you have a masters degree in history, well I have a PhD in history lol :)
Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that there was a historical person called Jesus and he's not an amalgam. So what? This proves nothing important about Jesus, except that a historical figure named Jesus existed.
It doesn't prove he was born of a virgin, it doesn't prove he was God, it doesn't prove that he died and was resurrected. It's no different than knowing a historical person named John Johnson existed.
So your point is... what exactly "Dr." Hard?
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As much as attacking me personally or trying to mock me does.
Onetimehard seems to be on the brink. :-\
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I honestly do. My focus is East Asia, mainly Japan. I understand what youre trying to do. Instead of being civil and having a friendly debate you're going to mock me now. I'm not going to do that.
Listen, I enjoyed this conversation very much. If you think this is beefing you in any way then you are crazy, this was civilized and I do respect your views, come on bro this was fun and my word I was not insulted once and I hope you weren't`t either.
But to be fair I must keep it real and owe you at least my honesty, I do not believe you have a masters degree in history, you might have one, I do not know. All i am saying is I don`t believe you, this is getbig, i hear wild claims all day.
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Onetimehard seems to be on the brink. :-\
I always try to be civil, man. Calling me a keyboard warrior who lives in his moms basement is unnecessary. Not only is it unoriginal but it makes no sense since I'm not being aggressive or insulting.
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Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that there was a historical person called Jesus and he's not an amalgam. So what? This proves nothing important about Jesus, except that a historical figure named Jesus existed.
It doesn't prove he was born of a virgin, it doesn't prove he was God, it doesn't prove that be died and was resurrected.
So your point is... what exactly Dr. Hard?
I 100% agree with you, 100%, no less. Now, what was your point again? ;D
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I 100% agree with you, 100%, no less. Now, what was your point again? ;D
I just don't see what Josephus' writings have to do with this. At best they establish that some guy walked around saying "I'm Jesus, yo." And?
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I always try to be civil, man. Calling me a keyboard warrior who lives in his moms basement is unnecessary. Not only is it unoriginal but it makes no sense since I'm not being aggressive or insulting.
lmao, someone is sensitive and you claimed I was the one getting angry, wow.
That was a sarcastic remark and more of a friendly insult in retaliation of your assumptions that my info comes from some wild Christian site somewhere.
This was an even attack in regards to both of us. To judge me for it is being a hypocrite
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Listen, I enjoyed this conversation very much. If you think this is beefing you in any way then you are crazy, this was civilized and I do respect your views, come on bro this was fun and my word I was not insulted once and I hope you weren't`t either.
But to be fair I must keep it real and owe you at least my honesty, I do not believe you have a masters degree in history, you might have one, I do not know. All i am saying is I don`t believe you, this is getbig, i hear wild claims all day.
I understand that you wouldn't believe me, this is getbig. I really do have have a masters in Asian studies from U of M. I'm 36, do not live in my parents basement and I own my home in a quaint small town in Michigan.
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I just don't see what Josephus' writings have to do with this. At best they establish that some guy walked around saying "I'm Jesus, yo." And?
Hey bro i am not the one who argued that ???
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Onetimehard lets his faith dictate his findings. We are all arguing "what ifs" here.
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I understand that you wouldn't believe me, this is getbig. I really do have have a masters in Asian studies from U of M. I'm 36, do not live in my parents basement and I own my home in a quaint small town in Michigan.
I know you don`t live in your parents basement, jeez
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lmao, someone is sensitive and you claimed I was the one getting angry, wow.
That was a sarcastic remark and more of a friendly insult in retaliation of your assumptions that my info comes from some wild Christian site somewhere.
This was an even attack in regards to both of us. To judge me for it is being a hypocrite
I have read your position on a Christian website as well as from books on Christian apologetics. It wasnt an insult to assume that is where you derived your opinion. From my perspective it made sense since that is the only place I've ever seen it seriously discussed.
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Onetimehard lets his faith dictate his findings. We are all arguing "what ifs" here.
what makes you say that?
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I have read your position on a Christian website as well as from books on Christian apologetics. It wasnt an insult to assume that is where you derived your opinion. From my perspective it made sense since that is the only place I've ever seen it seriously discussed.
fair enough but it was still not classy for you to use that on me.
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what makes you say that?
Faith blurs everything. I hope everything about jesus/heaven proves to be true. I do not have faith that it does. Hope and faith are two very different things.
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fair enough but it was still not classy for you to use that on me.
I was hoping you would broaden your search criteria, is all.
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Faith blurs everything. I hope everything about jesus/heaven proves to be true. I do not have faith that it does. Hope and faith are two very different things.
wrong, only the fundamentalist. the average Christians is no different then you.
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I was hoping you would broaden your search criteria, is all.
I always try to. :)
So we are good then, you are an awesome poster here bro, don`t want to be on your bad side. 8)
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wrong, only the fundamentalist. the average Christians is no different then you.
What would you say if christianity was ever proven false?
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I always try to. :)
So we are good then, you are an awesome poster here bro, don`t want to be on your bad side. 8)
You're an awesome poster too......no homo. I don't want to get on your bad side either. We're good.
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What would you say if christianity was ever proven false?
it already has been proven false for the most part
doesnt matter
religion is not about facts
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All right! A nice stalemate between two fine posters. Thats how its done Getbig.
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You're an awesome poster too......no homo. I don't want to get on your bad side either. We're good.
8) :)
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What would you say if christianity was ever proven false?
Then I would say ```budha`` ;D
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This thread has delivered so far. Keep up the good work. Wiggs, stay out of it.
Take away your useless cheering from the sidelines like a girl and it would be even better. You add nothing.
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Take away your useless cheering from the sidelines like a girl and it would be even better. You add nothing.
Im sorry if you do not take anything away from my posts in this thread. It takes a certain intelligence level to comprehend. Who are you?
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Im sorry if you do not take anything away from my posts in this thread. It takes a certain intelligence level to comprehend. Who are you?
I take away What i always take away, from your pathetic posts....you are a fat lonely loser who wants to be "included"...today you are trying your hand at being "serious"...but when your idiotic "Santa Claus" analogy crashed and burned...you resorted back to type....inane comments about "the thread"..adding nothing.
You are a bowl of shit.
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Im sorry if you do not take anything away from my posts in this thread. It takes a certain intelligence level to comprehend. Who are you?
That is zyzz`s father ;)
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I take away What i always take away, from your pathetic posts....you are a fat lonely loser who wants to be "included"...today you are trying your hand at being "serious"...but when your idiotic "Santa Claus" analogy crashed and burned...you resorted back to type....inane comments about "the thread"..adding nothing.
You are a bowl of shit.
Jesus Christ (fitting in this thread) you must hate your life. You attacked me on here for no reason whatsoever. What did I ever do to you?
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Jesus Christ (fitting in this thread) you must hate your life. You attacked me on here for no reason whatsoever. What did I ever do to you?
what? you are getting bent over that, he is entitled to his opinion on your commentating skills, why not? afterall, I must agree with him, they did suck. lmao ;D
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what? you are getting bent over that, he is entitled to his opinion on your commentating skills, why not? afterall, I must agree with him, they did suck. lmao ;D
Its hard being on another level. I try to communicate the best I can so that people can understand. Apparently it goes over most people's heads here.
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Its hard being on another level. I try to communicate the best I can so that people can understand. Apparently it goes over most people's heads here.
bro, relax, why so serious ???
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Its hard being on another level. I try to communicate the best I can so that people can understand. Apparently it goes over most people's heads here.
your "level" is face-down on the floor laying in your own piss after yet another 3 day bender
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wiggs, have you had some kind of mental breakdown these past few months ? i dunno, i never had you down for this much of a mad, tinfoil hatter.. am i missing something ???
Agreed,,,,whats going on with you man?
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Agreed,,,,whats going on with you man?
Shall we tell him about the great Buddha and the path to enlightenment?
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Shall we tell him about the great Buddha and the path to enlightenment?
I told your mom about.....while banging her.....the path to enlightenment is between her legs
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I told your mom about.....while banging her.....the path to enlightenment is between her legs
Ma nizzle, you eat too many watermelons and smoke too much cocaine.
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Would 19 crazy Arabs crash a plane into the World Trade Center for Santa Claus?
Different scenario broski. The apostles met the man, the plane bombers never met the man. Besides the plane was probably remote controlled by the CIA and FBI.