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I know this is blasphemy around here but who was better in their prime. Dorian (1993) or Jay (2009). It's not as easy as you think. Dorian 5'10.5 257lbs, Jay 5'9 255lbs.
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Dorian beats the piss out out of Jay. Now we will get Arnold to come back and beat the piss of them both. ;D
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dorian no comparison at all .
jay is the worst mr olympia of all time
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Neither man ever injected oil into their arms to make up for a sub-par biceps.
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Neither man ever injected oil into their arms to make up for a sub-par biceps.
Correct, neither man. ;D
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wile jay is great he is not even in the same class as dorian yates,only Ronnie gets compared to the great yates!
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according to modern bb judging criteria; young jay - who compared well to coleman - and 2009 jay beats any stage pic of dorian I have seen
i think jay mostly has better legs.
but dorian is from another era so he compares extremely good to a modern bber
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I know this is blasphemy around here but who was better in their prime. Dorian (1993) or Jay (2009). It's not as easy as you think. Dorian 5'10.5 257lbs, Jay 5'9 255lbs.
Uncle Wiggs should be shot in the knees for this blasphemy.
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wile jay is great he is not even in the same class as dorian yates,only Ronnie gets compared to the great yates!
Yates gets compared to Ronnie.
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if the 1993 version of yates showed up at the olympia
the fight would be for second place
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Ronnie Coleman
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No comparison.
Now Ronnie at his best to Flex at his best? That one is worth thinking about.
I think Francois stood up better next to Dorian than anyone else actually.
Bob Paris should have been standing next to Rory Leidelmeyer.
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Yates gets compared to Ronnie.
Yates BEAT Ronnie ;)
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Yates BEAT Ronnie ;)
Haney BEAT Yates ;)
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levrone always considered yates better than coleman
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Haney BEAT Yates ;)
Yates beat Haney , in the muscularity round ;)
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Yates beat Haney , in the muscularity round ;)
Are you fucking serious? That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard from you. Breaking it down to rounds and not shows because Yates never beat King Haney in a show....lolololololol
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
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Flex magazine already tried this
OLYMPIA CLASH OF THE TITANS: CUTLER VS. YATES
http://www.flexonline.com/general-news/olympia-clash-titans-cutler-vs-yates
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Better than Arnold, Better than Coleman, Better than Yates.
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Are you fucking serious? That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard from you. Breaking it down to rounds and not shows because Yates never beat King Haney in a show....lolololololol
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
Haney retired because of Dorian he absolutely would NOT have beaten Dorian 1993 and he knows it.
And that round Dorian beat him speaks volumes , Dorian in his first Mr Olympia beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter , that was Yates 3rd EVER pro show and he beat Haney in Haney's round !!
Haney said at his acceptance speech in 1991 that he just learned how to peak for a contest and he would be back for more , he retied , we both know why. ;D
I give Haney props for retiring at his best ever and going out ontop , smart man.
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jay is one of these guys who happen to be mr olympia by using tons of drugs on average genetics.
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Better than Arnold, Better than Coleman, Better than Yates.
Midsection was bad compared to all his other parts*.
*excluding the one Weider was interested in the most.
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Haney retired because of Dorian he absolutely would NOT have beaten Dorian 1993 and he knows it.
And that round Dorian beat him speaks volumes , Dorian in his first Mr Olympia beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter , that was Yates 3rd EVER pro show and he beat Haney in Haney's round !!
Haney said at his acceptance speech in 1991 that he just learned how to peak for a contest and he would be back for more , he retied , we both know why. ;D
I give Haney props for retiring at his best ever and going out ontop , smart man.
Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.
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chris dickerson was gay
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Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.
Haney was scared that's what he was 8)
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Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.
2? Didn't they only compete once?
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2? Didn't they only compete once?
Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.
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trippin on what bro?
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trippin on what bro?
;D
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Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.
Yeah Haney was forced to retire and Dorian wasn't even close to his best ;D
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Better than Arnold, Better than Coleman, Better than Yates.
lol
wouldn't win his weight class at the Nationals these days.
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Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.
That front double bi in the Haney vid after the music change is one of the best routine spots I've seen. So cool.
But, I think Yates would have beaten Haney the following year, and I feel that Yates had to fight Taylor/Levrone/Sonbaty/Wheeler whereas Haney had Gaspari/Christian/Labrada, etc.....
Quite a difference. Haney was great in his era, but Yates was unreal.
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Yeah Haney was forced to retire and Dorian wasn't even close to his best ;D
Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best. :-*
Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.
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Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best. :-*
Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.
;)
Careful, Wiggs. ND might be gunning for another epic debate thread.
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Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best. :-*
Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.
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God following? Ronnie has 20 kids out of wed lock lol
Dorian retired because he was torn up , Dorian beat Dorian Ronnie never did 8)
Haney knew when to get out , so did Dorian , Ronnie :-X
And using your logic Samir Bannout is better because he beat Haney ;D
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Careful, Wiggs. ND might be gunning for another epic debate thread.
He does the same thing every time. I've effectively boxed him in a corner on this and his only excuse is, Haney didn't defeat a prime Dorian. (Not Haney's fault he won his eighth and quit). lol. Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O was afraid of a zero time Mr. O so he didn't come back.
Seems legit. ::)
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God following? Ronnie has 20 kids out of wed lock lol
Dorian retired because he was torn up , Dorian beat Dorian Ronnie never did 8)
Haney knew when to get out , so did Dorian , Ronnie :-X
And using your logic Samir Bannout is better because he beat Haney ;D
Everyone is a sinner but not everyone follows God.
Yes, Dorian was torn up. It sucks. I remember. Yes, Dorian beat Ronnie.
Haney won a record breaking 8 Mr. Os was considered best all time and retired. He wasn't afraid of a guy with ZERO titles at the time. Nice try though.
Finally Bannout has how many Os?.....He's not even in the conversation.
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It's Os. plus record vs. other Mr/ Os.
Therefore it's Haney with 8 Os and a defeat against Dorian. Best all time.
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At least Jay has/had arms ....
I really don't know how people are so overwhelmed with Dorian's physique....
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That front double bi in the Haney vid after the music change is one of the best routine spots I've seen. So cool.
But, I think Yates would have beaten Haney the following year, and I feel that Yates had to fight Taylor/Levrone/Sonbaty/Wheeler whereas Haney had Gaspari/Christian/Labrada, etc.....
Quite a difference. Haney was great in his era, but Yates was unreal.
Yes, badass. 4:18
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He does the same thing every time. I've effectively boxed him in a corner on this and his only excuse is, Haney didn't defeat a prime Dorian. (Not Haney's fault he won his eighth and quit). lol. Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O was afraid of a zero time Mr. O so he didn't come back.
Seems legit. ::)
Boxed nothing at all.
I agree NOT Haney's fault Dorian wasn't at his best yet. However Yates in his third pro contest ever in his first Olympia EVER beat Haney in the muscularity round , mind you Haney was his best EVER and got beaten in this round by Yates who was 10lbs lighter
seems legit? ;)
Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.
This was his acceptance speech from the 1991 Mr Olympia
You do the math on why we didn't see him around for a few more years. ;)
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Boxed nothing at all.
I agree NOT Haney's fault Dorian wasn't at his best yet. However Yates in his third pro contest ever in his first Olympia EVER beat Haney in the muscularity round , mind you Haney was his best EVER and got beaten in this round by Yates who was 10lbs lighter
seems legit? ;)
Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.
This was his acceptance speech from the 1991 Mr Olympia
You do the math on why we didn't see him around for a few more years. ;)
MIGHT numbskull, MIGHT!
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Everyone is a sinner but not everyone follows God.
Yes, Dorian was torn up. It sucks. I remember. Yes, Dorian beat Ronnie.
Haney won a record breaking 8 Mr. Os was considered best all time and retired. He wasn't afraid of a guy with ZERO titles at the time. Nice try though.
Finally Bannout has how many Os?.....He's not even in the conversation.
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It's Os. plus record vs. other Mr/ Os.
Therefore it's Haney with 8 Os and a defeat against Dorian. Best all time.
If you're arguing Haney is better because he has more Olympias , you'll get no argument from me HOWEVER Haney at his best doesn't touch Dorian but don't feel bad neither does Ronnie :D
Dorian made Haney quit , Haney saw the writing on the wall
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Haney has stated he didn't want to do what was necessary to compete in the following years.....didn't want to use insulin would be my guess.
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MIGHT numbskull, MIGHT!
Stop playing semantics games , and yeah he might have if he had a 175lb Labrada to go against ;)
Lenda Murray on Dorian at the 1991 Mr Olympia , he's like Lee with legs :D
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If you're arguing Haney is better because he has more Olympias , you'll get no argument from me HOWEVER Haney at his best doesn't touch Dorian but don't feel bad neither does Ronnie :D
Dorian made Haney quit , Haney saw the writing on the wall
LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.
Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.
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If Yates never competed Haney would be beaten by Flex and maybe Levrone , the sport progressed by then Haney never faced any really tough competition.
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LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.
Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.
LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.
He eluded he might be back , he never did Dorian is most certainly part of the reason no matter what you like to think. A man with zero titles and only three pro contests ever who just beat him in the muscularity round while he was at his all-time best lol Haney was scared.
Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.
He was no Haney he faced much harder competition ;) Haney had no one who could really compete with him on size Dorian could and had better conditioning. Ronnie was a freak but that doesn't say much like Haney his competition wasn't that great either. Ronnie competed with Yates and where was he? ;D
Only in reality is Dorian better , keep clinging to your Olympia titles as the sole benchmark for them being better , Haney only had 1 against Dorian and Ronnie had 0 against him. Haney got out when the getting was good
Dorian did call out Haney in 1993 in Atlanta his home ground Haney wanted NO part of Yates we both know what would have happened if Haney did compete he would be third behind Flex :D
Forget Sandows , Haney at his best and Ronnie at his couldn't touch Dorian , in fact NO ONE could , Dorian lost twice that's the lowest he ever placed too the guy was a winning machine.
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Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.
This thread rather should be comparing Haney to Coleman, as to who is better. Evens out the playing field a bit.
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No comparison.
Now Ronnie at his best to Flex at his best? That one is worth thinking about.
I think Francois stood up better next to Dorian than anyone else actually.
Bob Paris should have been standing next to Rory Leidelmeyer.
I agree on Francois...and Dorian would wiped the floor with wrinkly back Jay...as soon as Dorian turned around, Jay would cry, "Not again! First Ronnie, now Dorian! Why can't I have a great back!"
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Haney was great.. The best for whom he competed against.. As is the measure of any mr. O.. Haney did retire early than he needed to and to those around him he admitted that Dorian was more than he was willing to handle.. In other words he was going to have to up his game and after so many mr o he did not have it I him mentally to do so.. Don't blame him.. As for Dorian.. I like Dorian.. Take his back out of the equation and I don't see the hoopla.. Dorian was dominant then Coleman upped the anty and doriangot out.. And Dorian admitted in a interview once he did not think he could beat the new and improved ronnie.. So each got out before they got dethroned.. Pretty simple..
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Jay cutler is the most overrated bodybuider ever. EVER.
Yates would absolutely destroy any version of Jay that got near him on a stage.
Yates looked like granite.
Jay always looks like a fucking tanned marshmallow and that would be magnified ten fold standing next to someone like Yates.
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Jay cutler is the most overrated bodybuider ever. EVER.
Yates would absolutely destroy any version of Jay that got near him on a stage.
Yates looked like granite.
Jay always looks like a fucking tanned marshmallow and that would be magnified ten fold standing next to someone like Yates.
This.
IMHO Jay is one of the most overrated mr olympias ever.... dude is literally the best of the rest... once the spectacular guys retired, he was there to pick up the throne. He should nt be uttered in the same sentence with Dorian, Ronnie, Arnold or Haney... they all stood shoulders above everyone else. Jay is one of the "rest".
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levrone always considered yates better than coleman
beauty in the eyes of
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no contest
Dorian easily over Jay- worst Mr O, possibly after Dickerson
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as for Haney v dorian
Haney easily
beats Dorian on every bodypart including back AND on overall size, shape, symmetry,hardness and condition
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no contest
Dorian easily over Jay- worst Mr O, possibly after Dickerson
Dickerson no arms, good calves, small, worst MR O ever.
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No question Dorian at a few Olympia's was one of the best ever, definitely the winner in terms of at their best.
Jay Cutler at the Ironman one year here in Los Angeles looked incredible.
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1996 German gran prix Yates kills any version of cutler and jay would admit this.
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as for Haney v dorian
Haney easily
beats Dorian on every bodypart including back AND on overall size, shape, symmetry,hardness and condition
Haney easily beats Yates on hardness and condition? I think this pretty much invalidates your opinion on the matter.
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No question Dorian at a few Olympia's was one of the best ever, definitely the winner in terms of at their best.
Jay Cutler at the Ironman one year here in Los Angeles looked incredible.
I see what u did there ;D but who's better?
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How about this:
Would u guys agree that Dex is better than flex, levrone, ray and Cormier ?
He did win the O and has beaten Cormier, levrone. Never beat ray and wheeler though
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Hardness----Dorian.
Mass------Jay
Separation----Jay
Shape---even
Winner----JAY
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Haney easily beats Yates on hardness and condition? I think this pretty much invalidates your opinion on the matter.
;D
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Yates had legendary hardness, back width thickness & detail, and unsurpassed calves in bodybuilding history.
Jay was the guy who won after Coleman retired.
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Jay was the guy who won after Coleman retired.
;D
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chris dickerson was gay
Jay lives with a male fitness model :-\
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Hardness----Dorian.
Mass------Jay
Separation----Jay
Shape---even
Winner----JAY
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If things had played out, Yates beats Haney, Yates beats Jay, Coleman beats Yates. Simple.
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No question Dorian at a few Olympia's was one of the best ever, definitely the winner in terms of at their best.
Jay Cutler at the Ironman one year here in Los Angeles looked incredible.
RON HAS SPOKEN
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lol. Welcome back bro.
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lol. Welcome back bro.
Thanks bro ;D
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Just can't compare Haney to Yates. It's another era. It's not fair towards Haney.
True, but same goes for Arnold vs. Haney, and, to some extent, Yates vs. Coleman.
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lol. Welcome back bro.
HAHAH.AAA...
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Just can't compare Haney to Yates. It's another era. It's not fair towards Haney.
Oh it's fair alright. Yates NEVER looked this good.
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That's why the thread is stupid ;-)
You can never compare bodybuilders from different era's because thet used different things.
Arnold had access to cadaver hg and basic anabolics.
Haney was a genetic miracle in responding to aas and took bb to another level, reaching the maximum somebody can achieve without abusing gh and slin.
Dorian introduced the abuse of gh and slin.
Ronnie had better genetics then Yates + added another ingredient in 2003 (IGF-1 lr3 in a systemic way).
The Ronnie of 2003 was the best of all times. His merit is that, even after ten years, his top physique is still unmatched, despite the ever continuing progress in bodybuilding. Nobody else can say that.
2003 Ronnie was large but he wasn't the best all time. He added muscle and sacrificed a tight waist line, tie ins, separation, and conditioning. The best incarnation of Ronnie is 1998 Mr. O (said by Ronnie himself).
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I gotta agree with Wiggs, bigger Ronnie in 2003 sacrificed a little too much for the extra size. Not his best showing, in my opinion.
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I respect your opinion, and understand it in a certain way because from an aesthetical point of view the Ronnie of 1998 was unmatched (I mean: combination aesthetics + mass), but in 2003 Ronnie was FREAKY, FROM ANOTHER PLANET. Look at him in this pic next to an all time great...
Was he handsome? No... he wasn't even human! But isn't that what bodybuilding is about? Creating a mutant physique? Well, that's what he did in 2003.
The Ronnie of 2003 would DWARF today's Heath and Ramy. The Ronnie of 1998 would still beat them, but not by that a margin.
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Ronnie 2003 would DWARF Heath NOT Ramy not by a long shot.
2003 sucked compared to his best , Ronnie looked awful and contrary to your opinion that's not what bodybuilding is all about
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Dorian was better. Thanks wiggs for taking the time to focus on two great white champions.
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And this isn't even Dorian at his best and he would still DEMOLISH Haney & Coleman
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Dorian was better. Thanks wiggs for taking the time to focus on two great white champions.
I like white fellas also. Dorian is my favorite. Arnold goes without saying, Mike Francois was great, and many others.
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And this isn't even Dorian at his best and he would still DEMOLISH Haney & Coleman
I'll see your 96 Grand Prix Dorian with my 98 Grand Prix Ronnie. Game over.
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I'll see your 96 Grand Prix Dorian with my 98 Grand Prix Ronnie. Game over.
Game over for Ronnie and his piss-poor conditioning :-\
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That's why the thread is stupid ;-)
You can never compare bodybuilders from different era's because thet used different things.
Arnold had access to cadaver hg and basic anabolics.
Haney was a genetic miracle in responding to aas and took bb to another level, reaching the maximum somebody can achieve without abusing gh and slin.
Dorian introduced the abuse of gh and slin.
Ronnie had better genetics then Yates + added another ingredient in 2003 (IGF-1 lr3 in a systemic way).
The Ronnie of 2003 was the best of all times. His merit is that, even after ten years, his top physique is still unmatched, despite the ever continuing progress in bodybuilding. Nobody else can say that.
Yeah Yates intriduced slin and gh abuse, oh brother.
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Game over for Ronnie and his piss-poor conditioning :-\
Dorian can be compared to Ronnie when he decides to show to up to shows with both of his arms. If Phil showed up with a mangled arms he'd lose is title and Dorian should have lost his title no matter how shredded he was. No arms, no Mr. O.
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Arnold would wax them both back in the day and axe no questions.
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Dorian can be compared to Ronnie when he decides to show to up to shows with both of his arms. If Phil showed up with a mangled arms he'd lose is title and Dorian should have lost his title no matter how shredded he was. No arms, no Mr. O.
Ronnie won with MANGLED calves :-\ a gut and bitch-tits
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Arnold would wax them both back in the day and axe no questions.
8)
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Yes thread over.
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Chest of a super heavy on a middle weight body. Arnold sucked get over it kids.
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Sorry wiggsy but Ronnie's torso is flat. No front to back thickness like Yates. Cry about biceps ill bring in the calf argument.
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Better than Arnold, Better than Coleman, Better than Yates.
no
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Oh it's fair alright. Yates NEVER looked this good.
and Big ronnie at his 99 best beats them both 8)
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no
Nice sharpened pic BTW ;)
You ran away from me and come back with your tail between your legs using worked pics again? ;D
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Nice sharpened pic BTW ;)
You ran away from me and come back with your tail between your legs using worked pics again? ;D
pic is not sharpened its been around since 1998.
you take a pic of ronnie not yet completing the pose and you say a contracted shot is sharpened?? ::)
nice try ::)
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ronnie's back kills both dorian and haneys
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pic is not sharpened its been around since 1998.
you take a pic of ronnie not yet completing the pose and you say a contracted shot is sharpened?? ::)
nice try ::)
LMMFAO it's not sharpened LMMFAO You don't disappoint , it's been around since 98 and sharpened since then
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ronnie's back kills both dorian and haneys
More worked pics :-\
Poor fella still grasping at straws
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LOL....Oh shit. I'm out guys. I'll leave this to you too otherwise I'll get stuck in an epic thread I don't want to be a part of and waste days off my life.
ND, You're the Dorian Rep
Hulkster You're the Ronnie Rep (sorry Ronnie Rep)
Wiggs You're the Haney Rep
Let's all go our separate ways now...lol
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Sorry wiggsy but Ronnie's torso is flat. No front to back thickness like Yates. Cry about biceps ill bring in the calf argument.
Which is why Haney is the winner. Yates no arms and Coleman no calves. Haney had both. Haney wins!
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Which is why Haney is the winner. Yates no arms and Coleman no calves. Haney had both. Haney wins!
;)
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You forgot me! I love all three of them, and Arnie also! Peace brother! ;-)
LOL. Kohl, you're the mediator. 8)
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As I said, I love all of them, but here I have to second ND: please don't come and tell me that Lee's arm were better then Dorian's. Let stay serious!
Post injury they obviously were. meaning Dorian's arms started getting injuring during Olympia prep in 94. So they weren't fucked in 91 when Haney beat him. The only thing decent about Yates' arms was his triceps. Outside that, yes, I'd rather have Haney's arms. Where they 23 inches? No. They were more than likely 20 inches but they were separated and detailed and his meaning no oil or anything else they put in there today.
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I can show a picture of an offseason haney that makes his arms look bigger also. Yates arms were injured during 4 of his 6 Olympias. As great as he was that's unacceptable. I always wondered about that as a kid also how he could win with those arms. It was ridiculous. You'll get no argument with me from 93. That year alone from the precontest photos and the show itself made him one of the greats of all time.
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I can show a picture of an offseason haney that makes his arms look bigger also. Yates arms were injured during 4 of his 6 Olympias. As great as he was that's unacceptable. I always wondered about that as a kid also how he could win with those arms. It was ridiculous. You'll get no argument with me from 93. That year alone from the precontest photos and the show itself made him one of the greats of all time.
Post tear ;)
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96 smokes 93, that's why I posted the vid
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96 smokes 93, that's why I posted the vid
95 smokes them both , I think the 96 video just has more complimentary lighting and Dorian 93/95 would look even more exceptional under the same lighting
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Don't start w me I let you stay here had the owning. Did you forget?
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Don't start w me I let you stay here had the owning. Did you forget?
lol Stop it ;D
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Ha ha we cool
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Ha ha we cool
:)
Almost 2 million views on your video crazy shit.
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Yes I know. That was Yates at his finest.
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hulkster youre obsession with ronnie is amazing
would you let ronnie have gay anal with you
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Have fun. Some random guy broke down the 91 Olympia between Haney and Yates, I agree with him on most.
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Dorian Yates - 1991 Mr. Olympia DVD PICS!!!
This was the year Dorian made his Mr. Olympia debut. He was full and in great condition. Dorian and Haney battled it out throughout the whole show. In the end Dorian easily placed second , but lost to an All-Time best Lee Haney. Dorian is one of the few bodybuilders to place runner up in their Mr. Olympia debut.
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Dorian Yates - 1991 Mr. Olympia DVD PICS!!!
This was the year Dorian made his Mr. Olympia debut. He was full and in great condition. Dorian and Haney battled it out throughout the whole show. In the end Dorian easily placed second , but lost to an All-Time best Lee Haney. Dorian is one of the few bodybuilders to place runner up in their Mr. Olympia debut.
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Great shots thanks for sharing ( no homo )
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Lee Haney - 1991 Mr. Olympia DVD Pictures
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This was Lee Haney's a.k.a. "Total-Lee Awesome" final Mr. Olympia win before he retired. He was at his all-time best. Haney at this point in time of bodybuilding, set a new standard with his classic lines along with mass and condition. He battled it out against an up and coming star named Dorian Yates who in the end came second. Haney would go on to win his 8th Sandow and solidify him as the bodybuilder with the most Mr. Olympia titles won (Arnold Schwarzenegger had the record with 7 & Ronnie Coleman would later go on to tie Lee Haney with 8).
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Great shots thanks for sharing ( no homo )
Np ND.
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If you're arguing Haney is better because he has more Olympias , you'll get no argument from me HOWEVER Haney at his best doesn't touch Dorian but don't feel bad neither does Ronnie :D
Dorian made Haney quit , Haney saw the writing on the wall
I now know that you wet yourself at night dreaming of Dorian lol. Please ND, your bias is amazing. You say Haney retired because of Yates. Haney would have beaten the 1992 version of Yates. The 1993 version of Yates is where the drugs kicked in and he went to a new level. Please, if Haney used the shit Yates did he would have won as he had way better proportions. Yates 1993 was awesome, but since you seem to infer that his hugeness would have overwhelmed Haney; maybe the thirty pound advantage Coleman had over Yates in 2003 compared to 1993 would have been tragic. Yates would have been his bitch. Yates won several Olympias where he had one average appendage...WTF. Yates in 1993 was top 3 all-time but don't spew this shit you have been for years. You are not an IFBB judge. You are a tool who salivates over bodybuilders and tries to dissect the IFBB judging criteria. Have you even judged a show in your life? I suspect you are the typical douche who gives opinions without one iota of fact.
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I now know that you wet yourself at night dreaming of Dorian lol. Please ND, your bias is amazing. You say Haney retired because of Yates. Haney would have beaten the 1992 version of Yates. The 1993 version of Yates is where the drugs kicked in and he went to a new level. Please, if Haney used the shit Yates did he would have won as he had way better proportions. Yates 1993 was awesome, but since you seem to infer that his hugeness would have overwhelmed Haney; maybe the thirty pound advantage Coleman had over Yates in 2003 compared to 1993 would have been tragic. Yates would have been his bitch. Yates won several Olympias where he had one average appendage...WTF. Yates in 1993 was top 3 all-time but don't spew this shit you have been for years. You are not an IFBB judge. You are a tool who salivates over bodybuilders and tries to dissect the IFBB judging criteria. Have you even judged a show in your life? I suspect you are the typical douche who gives opinions without one iota of fact.
meltdown ;)
You get WAY to emotional dude , relax :-X :-\
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Dorian > Jay
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Sorry wiggsy but Ronnie's torso is flat. No front to back thickness like Yates. Cry about biceps ill bring in the calf argument.
Lol, really Delta. Come on man. Ronnie was twice Yates size. In 2003, he was the biggest, most ripped bodybuilder to ever grace the stage. His arms were the size of Dorian's thighs for crying out loud. Dorians twigs were no match. Dorian had a great back, wide unshapely waist, average thighs compared to all time greats, and horrible arms. His conditioning was sick, but Dorian flowed like an Escher painting gone wrong. I know ND sucks DY's manhood daily, but for pure muscularity Ronnie kills him. In fact, Cutler is bigger. His shape may suck but Cutler has better wheels and arms. Dorian has him on back. Both of their waists suck.
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Lol, really Delta. Come on man. Ronnie was twice Yates size. In 2003, he was the biggest, most ripped bodybuilder to ever grace the stage. His arms were the size of Dorian's thighs for crying out loud. Dorians twigs were no match. Dorian had a great back, wide unshapely waist, average thighs compared to all time greats, and horrible arms. His conditioning was sick, but Dorian flowed like an Escher painting gone wrong. I know ND sucks DY's manhood daily, but for pure muscularity Ronnie kills him. In fact, Cutler is bigger. His shape may suck but Cutler has better wheels and arms. Dorian has him on back. Both of their waists suck.
Ronnie did have a weird deal, he's wasn't as thick as Dorian front to back... there is a pic from 03 next to Jay where this is readily apparent. He just didn't quite have that front to rear thickness that Dorian did.
That said, I'm abstaining from this whole whos better debate. I've wasted too many hours of my life on this dumb shit.
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meltdown ;)
You get WAY to emotional dude , relax :-X :-\
No ND, you come out here acting like you are captain Jim Manion, head of the IFBB. Please man, you are a peon who has no experience judging BB shows. Your opinion is that. You are really good at google and have downloaded a million pics of your savior Dorian, but dude come on. Your obsession is fanatical. You are a New England Patriots fan who continues to revel in SB victories in 2003 and 2004. Please man, come off of it. DY was great. Nobody claims differently. However, your continuing assertion that he is the best of all-time is absurd. You always state he beat Ronnie. Ronnie was a boy when he faced Dorian. Ronnie in his later years would have smoked Dorian. Using your own logic, Haney beat Dorian so he was better. Yet you claim he retired because he was scared of Yates. First, Haney would have beaten Yates in 1992 for number 9. Second, Yates decided to go on the mega juice in 1993 to come in 10-15 pounds heavier. Obviously, his build was chemically dependent just looking at recent pics of him. He was an A+ anabolic, GH, and insulin responder and was more disciplined than his competition. Can you honestly say that if say Dennis Newman never got ill with leukemia, maintained his lines, and took the shit Dorian took he would not be in the discussion for best of all-time. DY was average genetically with mutant parts. He did not flow like others. Deal with it. Great but not the best by any stretch of the imagination.
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Ronnie did have a weird deal, he's wasn't as thick as Dorian front to back... there is a pic from 03 next to Jay where this is readily apparent. He just didn't quite have that front to rear thickness that Dorian did.
That said, I'm abstaining from this whole whos better debate. I've wasted too many hours of my life on this dumb shit.
Really??? I wonder who had a larger circumference to their chest if measured in 1993 compared to 2003. The guy weighing 255 or the guy weighing 286. I dunno ... yeah Dorian was thicker, especially the arms ::) ::) ::)
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Really??? I wonder who had a larger circumference to their chest if measured in 1993 compared to 2003. The guy weighing 255 or the guy weighing 286. I dunno ... yeah Dorian was thicker, especially the arms ::) ::) ::)
Cause thats totally what I said. Dont get bitchy just cause you dont like whats said. Im not the only one thats noticed thsi, its not like were pulling this shit out of your buttholes.
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I love how ND now all of a sudden says that this shot from the Arnold Classic was "worked"
man, his desperation to have dorian have a better back than ronnie (which he didn't) knows no bounds... ::)
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I love how ND now all of a sudden says that this shot from the Arnold Classic was "worked"
man, his desperation to have dorian have a better back than ronnie (which he didn't) knows no bounds... ::)
well, I dont know if worked is thw right words... it definitely is a professional photoshoot, professional lighting, editied before printing, etc.
Dont pretend its a no special effects stage shot, because ots not
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What happened to Yates vs Cutler?
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What happened to Yates vs Cutler?
Cutler lost.
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well, I dont know if worked is thw right words... it definitely is a professional photoshoot, professional lighting, editied before printing, etc.
Dont pretend its a no special effects stage shot, because ots not
sort of like how dorian never looked anywhere near as good onstage as he did in the 93 famous black and white photoshoot...
<scores another one for the ronnie side> 8)
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91 was haney all the way,shape better,waist 'abs better,relaxed look /structure haney,fuller pecs /lats/even haney's leg seperation was at its finest for that show.people prefer yates look there and 92 better than his bigger yrs to come,he looked great just not better than lee there.
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ronnie > haney > dorian > jay
hth
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To the original question, Yates wins cutler loses.
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Ronnie and Yates are more comparable than people want to say but Yates seems to be more aesthetic, yeah I said it
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Ronnie and Yates are more comparable than people want to say but Yates seems to be more aesthetic, yeah I said it
It depends on what version of Dorian and what version of Ronnie you choose. If you said 2004 Ronnie (weighed 296) and 1993 Yates 257 then of course Yates was more aesthetic. Now if you take them at their best, Ronnie in 1998 and Yates in 1993, then Ronnie wins all day long.
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Yates BEAT Ronnie ;)
Prob right even though not my fav physique. If you put flex wheelers stomach on Ronnie he'd be untouchable. I think Heath could be beat ever if he threw some power lifting into his routine like Ronnie,,yeah buddy :D
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I think that if Yates and Haney were both on the same amount of drugs... I think Haney would win 9 times out of 10.
I think that results from 1991 would have been repeated year after year. But if Haney screwed up his conditioning, Yates would win. Otherwise, Haney would've won over and over.
By 1993, Yates upped his drug usage so high that I feel that he did not care his health (Haney could have done that too and he would've stayed ahead of Yates)
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I know this is blasphemy around here but who was better in their prime. Dorian (1993) or Jay (2009). It's not as easy as you think. Dorian 5'10.5 257lbs, Jay 5'9 255lbs.
Jay has never been 5'9". Met him up close and personal. BTW, he used to be listed at 5'8.5" in Flex and Muscle and Fitness before he made it big.
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God following? Ronnie has 20 kids out of wed lock lol
Dorian retired because he was torn up , Dorian beat Dorian Ronnie never did 8)
Haney knew when to get out , so did Dorian , Ronnie :-X
And using your logic Samir Bannout is better because he beat Haney ;D
And who would have won the '98 if Dorian had not known when to get out? ;)
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To the original question, Yates wins cutler loses.
Pics are chopped off at waistline
Put up scaled leg comparisons
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Pics are chopped off at waistline
Put up scaled leg comparisons
.Yates.
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.Yates.
The quad stomp. 2009.
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ND and Shockwave....end of Story ;D
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ND.... show a picture where Dorian looks more dominant or dare I say thicker lmao
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ND and Shockwave....end of Story ;D
Not really. Especially since that is from 2005, lol.
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ND.... show a picture where Dorian looks more dominant or dare I say thicker lmao
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No ND, you come out here acting like you are captain Jim Manion, head of the IFBB. Please man, you are a peon who has no experience judging BB shows. Your opinion is that. You are really good at google and have downloaded a million pics of your savior Dorian, but dude come on. Your obsession is fanatical. You are a New England Patriots fan who continues to revel in SB victories in 2003 and 2004. Please man, come off of it. DY was great. Nobody claims differently. However, your continuing assertion that he is the best of all-time is absurd. You always state he beat Ronnie. Ronnie was a boy when he faced Dorian. Ronnie in his later years would have smoked Dorian. Using your own logic, Haney beat Dorian so he was better. Yet you claim he retired because he was scared of Yates. First, Haney would have beaten Yates in 1992 for number 9. Second, Yates decided to go on the mega juice in 1993 to come in 10-15 pounds heavier. Obviously, his build was chemically dependent just looking at recent pics of him. He was an A+ anabolic, GH, and insulin responder and was more disciplined than his competition. Can you honestly say that if say Dennis Newman never got ill with leukemia, maintained his lines, and took the shit Dorian took he would not be in the discussion for best of all-time. DY was average genetically with mutant parts. He did not flow like others. Deal with it. Great but not the best by any stretch of the imagination.
meltdown 2
;D
continue with your emotional tirade
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ND.... show a picture where Dorian looks more dominant or dare I say thicker lmao
dorian just gets crushed time after time from a post mr. o ronnie
dorian could only beat ronnie when he was losing to guys like porter cottrel.
this is a point the nuthuggers like ND don't seem to get.. ::)
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interesting to note in the above comparions dorian outweighs ronnie by about 10 pounds (ronnie trimmed down for his AC win)
yet because of the amazing shape, detail and vascularity (completely absent in dorian's pose) Ronnie looks bigger.
ronnie had quality. that of a champion bodybuilder.
dorian had a construction worker's physique
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seriously?
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Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.
Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os
End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.
put haney in a lineup from '95 on and he wouldn't make top 5.
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dorian just gets crushed time after time from a post mr. o ronnie
dorian could only beat ronnie when he was losing to guys like porter cottrel.
this is a point the nuthuggers like ND don't seem to get.. ::)
Put Ronnie 2001 next to Dorian 1993 and he would look PETITE ;)
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put haney in a lineup from '95 on and he wouldn't make top 5.
Great point ! The sport passed Haney by NOT his fault he went out ontop and good for him
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seriously?
Wow the old Ronnie wins 1 pose comparison so he will win the entire contest ::) nice WORKED pic of Ronnie too :-X
Dorian kills Ronnie in the mandatories Keep your MM pose and the standing relaxed from the front because Ronnie gets OBLITERATED in all others
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interesting to note in the above comparions dorian outweighs ronnie by about 10 pounds (ronnie trimmed down for his AC win)
interesting to note the guy who has never been to a competition and has no context of what an onstage pro bodybuilder looks like is still comparing two stand alone pics and thinking he can draw absolute conclusions.
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hulkster have you ever been inside the ronnie bus
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interesting to note the guy who has never been to a competition and has no context of what an onstage pro bodybuilder looks like is still comparing two stand alone pics and thinking he can draw absolute conclusions.
heh.
pics from different angles at that. Not the sharpest tool in the shed
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heh.
pics from different angles at that. Not the sharpest tool in the shed
He never was
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You assholes! What happened to my thread? Jay, Dorian? I feel like I'm back in 2006 in this thread.
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You assholes! What happened to my thread? Jay, Dorian? I feel like I'm back in 2006 in this thread.
You know what happened , same old news Ronnie fan boys :-\
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You assholes! What happened to my thread? Jay, Dorian? I feel like I'm back in 2006 in this thread.
Jay lost, people moved on.
Jay couldnt carry Dorians jockstrap. Hell, I doubt Kay could hold the Cheaths jockstrap.