Author Topic: Dorian Yates vs. Jay Cutler - At their best, who wins? (Read 32072 times)

Tito24 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:35:17 AM »

chris dickerson was gay

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #26 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:36:11 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:34:37 AM

Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.

Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os

End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.

Haney was scared that's what he was

Grape Ape · « **Reply #27 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:37:28 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:34:37 AM

Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.

Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os

End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.

2? Didn't they only compete once?

Wiggs · « **Reply #28 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:39:36 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on August 21, 2013, 10:37:28 AM

2? Didn't they only compete once?

Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.

Tito24 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:41:05 AM »

trippin on what bro?

Wiggs · « **Reply #30 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:41:32 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on August 21, 2013, 10:41:05 AM

trippin on what bro?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #31 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:41:35 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:39:36 AM

Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.

Yeah Haney was forced to retire and Dorian wasn't even close to his best

affeman · « **Reply #32 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:43:29 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:23:54 AM

Better than Arnold, Better than Coleman, Better than Yates.

lol

wouldn't win his weight class at the Nationals these days.

Grape Ape · « **Reply #33 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:44:32 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:39:36 AM

Shit my bad you're right. I'm trippin. Just 1991 Mr. O.

That front double bi in the Haney vid after the music change is one of the best routine spots I've seen. So cool.

But, I think Yates would have beaten Haney the following year, and I feel that Yates had to fight Taylor/Levrone/Sonbaty/Wheeler whereas Haney had Gaspari/Christian/Labrada, etc.....

Quite a difference. Haney was great in his era, but Yates was unreal.

Wiggs · « **Reply #34 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:46:02 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 21, 2013, 10:41:35 AM

Yeah Haney was forced to retire and Dorian wasn't even close to his best

Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best.

Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.

The Ugly · « **Reply #35 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:48:55 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:46:02 AM

Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best.

Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.

Careful, Wiggs. ND might be gunning for another epic debate thread.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #36 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:50:13 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:46:02 AM

Ohhhhhh and now you say it. Because I can say Dorian was forced to retire when Ronnie wasn't even close to his best.

Either way, Dorian is not better than Haney or Coleman. So pick your excuse cause either one will be defeated by God following Hebrews Haney or Coleman.

God following? Ronnie has 20 kids out of wed lock lol

Dorian retired because he was torn up , Dorian beat Dorian Ronnie never did

Haney knew when to get out , so did Dorian , Ronnie

And using your logic Samir Bannout is better because he beat Haney

Wiggs · « **Reply #37 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:51:54 AM »

Quote from: The Ugly on August 21, 2013, 10:48:55 AM

Careful, Wiggs. ND might be gunning for another epic debate thread.

He does the same thing every time. I've effectively boxed him in a corner on this and his only excuse is, Haney didn't defeat a prime Dorian. (Not Haney's fault he won his eighth and quit). lol. Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O was afraid of a zero time Mr. O so he didn't come back.

Seems legit.

Wiggs · « **Reply #38 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:56:02 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 21, 2013, 10:50:13 AM

God following? Ronnie has 20 kids out of wed lock lol

Dorian retired because he was torn up , Dorian beat Dorian Ronnie never did

Haney knew when to get out , so did Dorian , Ronnie

And using your logic Samir Bannout is better because he beat Haney

Everyone is a sinner but not everyone follows God.

Yes, Dorian was torn up. It sucks. I remember. Yes, Dorian beat Ronnie.

Haney won a record breaking 8 Mr. Os was considered best all time and retired. He wasn't afraid of a guy with ZERO titles at the time. Nice try though.

Finally Bannout has how many Os?.....He's not even in the conversation.

It's Os. plus record vs. other Mr/ Os.

Therefore it's Haney with 8 Os and a defeat against Dorian. Best all time.

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #39 on:** August 21, 2013, 10:59:37 AM »

At least Jay has/had arms ....

I really don't know how people are so overwhelmed with Dorian's physique....

Wiggs · « **Reply #40 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:00:03 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on August 21, 2013, 10:44:32 AM

That front double bi in the Haney vid after the music change is one of the best routine spots I've seen. So cool.

But, I think Yates would have beaten Haney the following year, and I feel that Yates had to fight Taylor/Levrone/Sonbaty/Wheeler whereas Haney had Gaspari/Christian/Labrada, etc.....

Quite a difference. Haney was great in his era, but Yates was unreal.

Yes, badass. 4:18

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #41 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:01:53 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:51:54 AM

He does the same thing every time. I've effectively boxed him in a corner on this and his only excuse is, Haney didn't defeat a prime Dorian. (Not Haney's fault he won his eighth and quit). lol. Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O was afraid of a zero time Mr. O so he didn't come back.

Seems legit.

Boxed nothing at all.

I agree NOT Haney's fault Dorian wasn't at his best yet. However Yates in his third pro contest ever in his first Olympia EVER beat Haney in the muscularity round , mind you Haney was his best EVER and got beaten in this round by Yates who was 10lbs lighter

seems legit?

Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia

Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.

This was his acceptance speech from the 1991 Mr Olympia

You do the math on why we didn't see him around for a few more years.

Wiggs · « **Reply #42 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:02:53 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 21, 2013, 11:01:53 AM

Boxed nothing at all.

I agree NOT Haney's fault Dorian wasn't at his best yet. However Yates in his third pro contest ever in his first Olympia EVER beat Haney in the muscularity round , mind you Haney was his best EVER and got beaten in this round by Yates who was 10lbs lighter

seems legit?

Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia

Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.

This was his acceptance speech from the 1991 Mr Olympia

You do the math on why we didn't see him around for a few more years.

MIGHT numbskull, MIGHT!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #43 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:04:14 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:56:02 AM

Everyone is a sinner but not everyone follows God.

Yes, Dorian was torn up. It sucks. I remember. Yes, Dorian beat Ronnie.

Haney won a record breaking 8 Mr. Os was considered best all time and retired. He wasn't afraid of a guy with ZERO titles at the time. Nice try though.

Finally Bannout has how many Os?.....He's not even in the conversation.

It's Os. plus record vs. other Mr/ Os.

Therefore it's Haney with 8 Os and a defeat against Dorian. Best all time.

If you're arguing Haney is better because he has more Olympias , you'll get no argument from me HOWEVER Haney at his best doesn't touch Dorian but don't feel bad neither does Ronnie

Dorian made Haney quit , Haney saw the writing on the wall

Grape Ape · « **Reply #44 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:05:53 AM »

Haney has stated he didn't want to do what was necessary to compete in the following years.....didn't want to use insulin would be my guess.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #45 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:06:36 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 11:02:53 AM

MIGHT numbskull, MIGHT!

Stop playing semantics games , and yeah he might have if he had a 175lb Labrada to go against

Lenda Murray on Dorian at the 1991 Mr Olympia , he's like Lee with legs

Wiggs · « **Reply #46 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:10:02 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 21, 2013, 11:04:14 AM

If you're arguing Haney is better because he has more Olympias , you'll get no argument from me HOWEVER Haney at his best doesn't touch Dorian but don't feel bad neither does Ronnie

Dorian made Haney quit , Haney saw the writing on the wall

LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.

Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #47 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:10:32 AM »

If Yates never competed Haney would be beaten by Flex and maybe Levrone , the sport progressed by then Haney never faced any really tough competition.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #48 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:19:20 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 11:10:02 AM

LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.

Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.

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LOL. Quit making up stories. How did you get Dorian made Haney quit from that acceptance speech? Cause he didn't come back that means Haney was afraid? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Afraid of a man he just beat? Afraid of a man that had zero titles period to his 8 Mr. Os? LOLOLOL. Dream on.

He eluded he might be back , he never did Dorian is most certainly part of the reason no matter what you like to think. A man with zero titles and only three pro contests ever who just beat him in the muscularity round while he was at his all-time best lol Haney was scared.

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Dorian was great no doubt. But he was no Haney. And in terms of freaks. Ronnie outdid Dorian and won more titles. So you can pick your poison. Only in your little world is Dorian better. lol. Dorian really wanted Haney to come back I know that. Too bad for Dorian. He should be happy Haney didn't.

He was no Haney he faced much harder competition

Haney had no one who could really compete with him on size Dorian could and had better conditioning. Ronnie was a freak but that doesn't say much like Haney his competition wasn't that great either. Ronnie competed with Yates and where was he?

Only in reality is Dorian better , keep clinging to your Olympia titles as the sole benchmark for them being better , Haney only had 1 against Dorian and Ronnie had 0 against him. Haney got out when the getting was good

Dorian did call out Haney in 1993 in Atlanta his home ground Haney wanted NO part of Yates we both know what would have happened if Haney did compete he would be third behind Flex

Forget Sandows , Haney at his best and Ronnie at his couldn't touch Dorian , in fact NO ONE could , Dorian lost twice that's the lowest he ever placed too the guy was a winning machine.

BRO · « **Reply #49 on:** August 21, 2013, 11:20:49 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 21, 2013, 10:34:37 AM

Same excuses as usual. no substance. What happened on stage? On stage is what counts. Haney 2, Yates 0.

Haney 8 Mr. Os
Yates 6 Mr. Os

End of story Haney is better...No what if bullshit.

This thread rather should be comparing Haney to Coleman, as to who is better. Evens out the playing field a bit.