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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: dustin on May 10, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
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TLDR; Normally if there's any danger I can throw up a front double biceps or hit a most muscular and avert danger. But last week there was a murder rampage 3 blocks away and it shook me up. I need to know what's a good starter gun to keep at home. Getting my license very soon because I fear the gun laws will be changed any time soon.
Long version; The shooting was at a mill and there were 6 choppers that flew past my house along with more than a dozen sirens I heard rushing past while I was taking my morning shit. When news broke out I heard it was at a mill and I thought it was were my brother was working. I nearly broke down but found out it was a mill right by where his mill is. Two dead and four people shot by a disgruntled employee. My mom was at the ER and treated them all and said one buddy's face was shot right off and the other badly injured dude also died. The two deceased were flown to another hospital but she said she knew they weren't going to make it. Other two were lucky to live. And she had to treat the shooter too. The shooter was tackled by a couple brave employees but only had a few bumps and bruises... I think they should have turned the gun on him and did him in on the spot.
Anyway, later that day I'm doing yard work and run out of work beers, so I walk down to the liquor store a block away. My mom calls me frantic about a stabbing on my street "someone on your street just stabbed two people and is trying to break into houses to hide, get home right now!!!!". I turn around and run home to protect my wife and baby. Then I hear sirens again and the cops luckily apprehend the fucker. Shortly after, maybe a day or two, a 16 year old chick got stabbed more than 20 times as well but survived. :-\
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Step 1, move out of the ghetto.
Step 2, go with a short barrel 12 guage shotgun. Some guys favor slugs, but honestlt, some size 7 1/2 target loads are gonna vaporize anything they touch. Pattern size is huge, you don't have to be as precise as with a handgun, which require a fair amount of skill and experience for a rookie to accurately place a few shots during the scramble and heat of the moment. Much more room for error with a shotgun. The control and accuracy with a shotgun can't be beat.
Also you don't have to worry about sending your .45 round through your neighbors wall and hitting one of his kids.
Step 3, buy a handgun as well, before they outlaw them. .40 glock or similar model is a great starter gun.
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Remington 870 Police in 12 ga. 18-1/2 barrel. #4 buck FTW!
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DUSTIN, email them (they'll reply back to when they're getting another shipment), thank me later!!!
P.S. Best damn deal in CANADA, they are 100% reliable weapon!!https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650 (https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650)
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Where do you live that your shook up after this incident? Does this incident occur often in your neighborhood?
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Pick up a revolver like an S & W #10 in .38, or a S & W #66 in .357 if the folks in your house can handle the size of it. A .357 will allow you to shoot .38's out of it also. While it is easier to teach a beginner with a .22, a mildly loaded .38 is mellow enough for older children and women to handle easily, and you can move up the power of loadings as you progress. It also allows the casual gun owner the ability to do a lot of things without having a lot of guns or money tied up in them.
Mechanically, it's a very easy and safe design for the layman to get their head around.
If you want to pair it with a long gun, a #12 guage on something like the Remington 870 platform, and load it with #4 or #oo buckshot, and you'll be able to handle anything.
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Thanks, fellas. I'm getting a shotgun along with a handgun before they're outlawed for sure. And I also don't live in the ghetto either, which is the scary thing. Lots of random acts of violence. Lived in this quiet town for over 20 years but everywhere is becoming ghetto. People can't just throw fists anymore and go get a beer after.
Will check out all of these recommendations shortly. The wife and I have been to the shooting range numerous times but my work schedule's never allowed me to go get my permit. Off work for the summer so I'll get that permit before Canada changes their gun laws. Even if the laws did change, I don't give a fuck anymore and would get a gun anyway. Family comes first.
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any gun that is reliable will get the same effect
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Remington 870. Thread over.
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Buy a pump shotgun....any home intruder hears the unmistakable sound of you racking it and good chance they will tuck tail and run.
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AR 15 Bushmaster works well for most.
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I'd recommend a basic revolver... especially if you have kids or if you plan to have kids in your house.
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Step 1, move out of the ghetto.
Step 2, go with a short barrel 12 guage shotgun. Some guys favor slugs, but honestlt, some size 7 1/2 target loads are gonna vaporize anything they touch. Pattern size is huge, you don't have to be as precise as with a handgun, which require a fair amount of skill and experience for a rookie to accurately place a few shots during the scramble and heat of the moment. Much more room for error with a shotgun. The control and accuracy with a shotgun can't be beat.
Also you don't have to worry about sending your .45 round through your neighbors wall and hitting one of his kids.
Step 3, buy a handgun as well, before they outlaw them. .40 glock or similar model is a great starter gun.
yeah, I like this advice. Move first, if possible. Shotgun is nice, but a glock 26 or glock 19 might also work as that home defense thing, since scaring off a bad guy might save your skin more than gun battle skill. There's a certain confidence as you dare the MFer to walk into a gun battle and maybe even fire a round or two as warning, should be have already breached home. Is he really going to advance to a bedroom after breaching front door, if you're screaming like scarface and shooting holes in the floor?
finally, stay away from shady ppl. Most of those home invasions, the dudes know the invaders... they saw their shit, they know they have drugs, etc.
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DUSTIN, email them (they'll reply back to when they're getting another shipment), thank me later!!!
P.S. Best damn deal in CANADA, they are 100% reliable weapon!!https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650 (https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650)
Under no circumstances should you buy this unbelievable piece of shit.
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Having a well trained small dog is a huge burglary detterant.
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Rule #1: long gun > handgun
If having your wife be proficient with the shotgun is important (I recommend it. My wife has her carry permit and her own guns), then get the 870P in 20 ga. Almost as lethal and quite a bit less recoil.
Do not get that Bad Chinese ripoff of a shit Czech pistol. Jesus, where do you get that crap? If a pistol is a requirement, spend for quality. The best gun for the money is Glock, hands down. Don't bother with a .40 if your wife will need to use it. The Glock 19 is their compact 9mm. Big enough so that the recoil is manageable and small enough for female hands. As a matter of fact, I hate the .40, the recoil is unnecessarily snappy. Better to hit with one round than miss with 16.
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Perfect for basic home defence:
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DUSTIN, email them (they'll reply back to when they're getting another shipment), thank me later!!!
P.S. Best damn deal in CANADA, they are 100% reliable weapon!!https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650 (https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75650)
Would never buy a Norc. When it comes down to it I'm not trusting my life to a Chinese made gun. Springfield 1911 FTW
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Remington 870. Thread over.
Yes, also it's a bit more difficult to kill yourself with it, thus lowering the increased risk of suicide inherent to gun ownership
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Those beds would sell well in Texas.
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That's an 870 Marine Magnum coming out of that bed.
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Rule #1: long gun > handgun
If having your wife be proficient with the shotgun is important (I recommend it. My wife has her carry permit and her own guns), then get the 870P in 20 ga. Almost as lethal and quite a bit less recoil.
Do not get that Bad Chinese ripoff of a shit Czech pistol. Jesus, where do you get that crap? If a pistol is a requirement, spend for quality. The best gun for the money is Glock, hands down. Don't bother with a .40 if your wife will need to use it. The Glock 19 is their compact 9mm. Big enough so that the recoil is manageable and small enough for female hands. As a matter of fact, I hate the .40, the recoil is unnecessarily snappy. Better to hit with one round than miss with 16.
Amen.
This x 10000.
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I figure navy SEALs would probably pick a pretty good sidearm, its only a 9mm but a very nice one.
we live near a large population of Disadvantaged Hebrews enjoying free housing courtesy of the Californian Taxpayer, and I'm more worried about one of Obamas Sons stealing mine if they break in when no-ones home.
Keep it in the bedside table usually but hide it when I leave the house.
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I figure navy SEALs would probably pick a pretty good sidearm, its only a 9mm but a very nice one.
we live near a large population of Disadvantaged Hebrews enjoying free housing courtesy of the Californian Taxpayer, and I'm more worried about one of Obamas Sons stealing mine if they break in when no-ones home.
Keep it in the bedside table usually but hide it when I leave the house.
The MK25. I almost bought one at SigArms last year when I took their week-long defensive rifle course. It was $1000 and felt like shit. Now keep in mind that I used to be a Sig guy and have a 226, 229, 228, and a 220ST, so I know that I like them. As cool as it was, I just couldn't do it. The extra $350 gets you the little anchor on the side, $100 night sights and some "coated" parts in case it gets wet. Feh.
Switched over to Glocks about 10 years ago and haven't looked back.
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Remington 870. Thread over.
Buy a pump shotgun....any home intruder hears the unmistakable sound of you racking it and good chance they will tuck tail and run.
QFT
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Buy a pump shotgun....any home intruder hears the unmistakable sound of you racking it and good chance they will tuck tail and run.
Of course, that means that you came to a gun party with your weapon out of battery. And you gave away your position with a loud sound. Gunny says go back to class.
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The MK25. I almost bought one at SigArms last year when I took their week-long defensive rifle course. It was $1000 and felt like shit. Now keep in mind that I used to be a Sig guy and have a 226, 229, 228, and a 220ST, so I know that I like them. As cool as it was, I just couldn't do it. The extra $350 gets you the little anchor on the side, $100 night sights and some "coated" parts in case it gets wet. Feh.
Switched over to Glocks about 10 years ago and haven't looked back.
I appreciate the cost is excessive and a standard 226 would be just as good... but I got mine before Frankenstein dumped it from the CA approved list. Telling me I can't have something is a good way to make me get it.
Got a non LCI model too :)
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I appreciate the cost is excessive and a standard 226 would be just as good... but I got mine before Frankenstein dumped it from the CA approved list. Telling me I can't have something is a good way to make me get it.
Got a non LCI model too :)
The 226 is a sweet platform to run a suppressor. Not well known, but not all guns run cans well. The 226 in 9mm, the Glock 34 in 9mm. That H&K SOCOM monstrosity. They run suppressed flawlessly.
Get a threaded barrel (1/2":28) for the MK25. Someday you'll find yourself in a free state and you'll be ready for some quiet goodness.
http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/sig-sauer-threaded-barrels-311.aspx
Edit: the Sig threaded barrels are using a non-standard pitch. I don't know what their damage is.
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Awesome info! Very much appreciated!
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I figure navy SEALs would probably pick a pretty good sidearm, its only a 9mm but a very nice one.
we live near a large population of Disadvantaged Hebrews enjoying free housing courtesy of the Californian Taxpayer, and I'm more worried about one of Obamas Sons stealing mine if they break in when no-ones home.
Keep it in the bedside table usually but hide it when I leave the house.
why does that pistol carry kuehne+nagel symbol?
armed transportation?
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Of course, that means that you came to a gun party with your weapon out of battery. And you gave away your position with a loud sound. Gunny says go back to class.
It's like a warning shot, except you don't have to patch up your drywall
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Another poster mentioned a glock, and I would recommend this make as well. Best bang for your buck. I've got the .40 cal for home protection.
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two choices.
12ga shotgun with an 18in barrel loaded with birdshot (less likelihood of over-penetration)
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full size 1911 (single-stack) or HK USP in .45cal. (less penetration than 9mm, lower velocity, ect).. I'm not a fan of Glock/striker-pistols.
... either way I'd say equip the weapon with a strobe/flashlight.
or, you could go with a .357 and load it with .38 ammo and make it much easier to handle. I'd never waste money on a .38 pistol. If I want to shoot .38, it's always though a .357 frame.
after a while, after you become accustomed to shooting and feel comfortable (and assuming you'll be the only one firing it) you could go to an ar15 in the smallest, most easily maneuverable configuration you can find/build (for yourself) and shoot "low power" .223. but with that over penetration is a problem if you're not comfortable controlling your shot. even though it's a small projectile, it travels fast and will easily pass through one side of a cars rear quarter-panel (or even a door), through the trunk and out the other side... so of course it'll pass though a couple drywall sheets of interior walls.
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two choices.
12ga shotgun with an 18in barrel loaded with birdshot (less likelihood of over-penetration)
or
full size 1911 (single-stack) or HK USP in .45cal. (less penetration than 9mm, lower velocity, ect).. I'm not a fan of Glock/striker-pistols.
... either way I'd say equip the weapon with a strobe/flashlight.
or, you could go with a .357 and load it with .38 ammo and make it much easier to handle. I'd never waste money on a .38 pistol. If I want to shoot .38, it's always though a .357 frame.
after a while, after you become accustomed to shooting and feel comfortable (and assuming you'll be the only one firing it) you could go to an ar15 in the smallest, most easily maneuverable configuration you can find/build (for yourself) and shoot "low power" .223. but with that over penetration is a problem if you're not comfortable controlling your shot. even though it's a small projectile, it travels fast and will easily pass through one side of a cars rear quarter-panel (or even a door), through the trunk and out the other side... so of course it'll pass though a couple drywall sheets of interior walls.
IMHO, the 1911 is not a beginner's pistol. Even the best are finicky and there are a lot of controls to master (manual safety, grip safety). Don't even get me started about disassembly.
I used to dislike striker pistols until I started to realize the beauty and simplicity in their design.
And yes, I have a Model 70 Gold Cup that I tricked out to the moon before I realized I shot my stupid Glock 34 better in competitions.
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IMHO, the 1911 is not a beginner's pistol. Even the best are finicky and there are a lot of controls to master (manual safety, grip safety). Don't even get me started about disassembly.
I used to dislike striker pistols until I started to realize the beauty and simplicity in their design.
And yes, I have a Model 70 Gold Cup that I tricked out to the moon before I realized I shot my stupid Glock 34 better in competitions.
I shot a 1911 (and a luger and 92fs, but the 92 always felt uncomfortable to hold) since I was 7yrs old... after a day or two at a range (or even out in the country) a 1911 should be easy to shoot. it's the best 'feeling' gun I've held till this day.... disassembly is another story. for a beginner, take it to a gunsmith. lol
after nearly 10yrs of DA pistols, first time I went to double-tap with a striker-pistol I thought the fucking thing was broke, or jammed.
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What the hell is a starter gun? I carried a Sig for work for years. Outstanding firearm that's very easy to shoot accurately and never jams. It's expensive but you get what you pay for.
Home defense is close range. There is no better weapon under 40 yards than a shot gun. That is why police departments across the country it's the go to gun when the shit hits the fan. Hitting stationary paper targets at 25 yards with a hand gun while nice and relaxed is easy. When you have a moving target that is shooting at you it's another ball game. Misses are common with trained shooters with a handgun at 7 yards in a life threatening situation. A shotgun will provide you with multiple projectiles in one pull of the trigger. If someone said you can have any small arm for a battle that takes place 40 yards and under I would chose a shotgun. It's better than a sub machine gun, rifle or a hand gun. One pull of the trigger with a 3" # 4 buck 12 gauge will sent 41 .24 caliber balls toward a target at over 1300 feet per second. Pull the trigger twice and 82 on target without aiming but pointing.
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I shot a 1911 (and a luger and 92fs, but the 92 always felt uncomfortable to hold) since I was 7yrs old... after a day or two at a range (or even out in the country) a 1911 should be easy to shoot. it's the best 'feeling' gun I've held till this day.... disassembly is another story. for a beginner, take it to a gunsmith. lol
after nearly 10yrs of DA pistols, first time I went to double-tap with a striker-pistol I thought the fucking thing was broke, or jammed.
It's a long road to get 1911 presentation right. To master the draw and bring your thumb down on the safety as you find in front sight. I've seen seasoned guys forget the safety in a heated moment and then spend several crucial seconds helplessly yanking at the trigger. Simplify, simplify.
But it is a great gun and you're right, it is a joy to shoot.
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I shot a 1911 (and a luger and 92fs, but the 92 always felt uncomfortable to hold) since I was 7yrs old... after a day or two at a range (or even out in the country) a 1911 should be easy to shoot. it's the best 'feeling' gun I've held till this day.... disassembly is another story. for a beginner, take it to a gunsmith. lol
after nearly 10yrs of DA pistols, first time I went to double-tap with a striker-pistol I thought the fucking thing was broke, or jammed.
Are you allowed to have a gun now?
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What the hell is a starter gun? I carried a Sig for work for years. Outstanding firearm that's very easy to shoot accurately and never jams. It's expensive but you get what you pay for.
Home defense is close range. There is no better weapon under 40 yards than a shot gun. That is why police departments across the country it's the go to gun when the shit hits the fan. Hitting stationary paper targets at 25 yards with a hand gun while nice and relaxed is easy. When you have a moving target that is shooting at you it's another ball game. Misses are common with trained shooters with a handgun at 7 yards in a life threatening situation. A shotgun will provide you with multiple projectiles in one pull of the trigger. If someone said you can have any small arm for a battle that takes place 40 yards and under I would chose a shotgun. It's better than a sub machine gun, rifle or a hand gun. One pull of the trigger with a 3" # 4 buck 12 gauge will sent 41 .24 caliber balls toward a target at over 1300 feet per second. Pull the trigger twice and 82 on target without aiming but pointing.
Are automatick shotguns legal in most states?
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IMHO, the 1911 is not a beginner's pistol. Even the best are finicky and there are a lot of controls to master (manual safety, grip safety). Don't even get me started about disassembly.
I used to dislike striker pistols until I started to realize the beauty and simplicity in their design.
And yes, I have a Model 70 Gold Cup that I tricked out to the moon before I realized I shot my stupid Glock 34 better in competitions.
Yeah...I think the majority of the posters in this thread, though good intentioned, are forgetting the main point that he needs an easy to use, beginners firearm.
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Are automatick shotguns legal in most states?
Semi auto, self cycling guns like a Browning Auto 5 are legal in all states. A full auto, if you could find one would need a destructive device tax stamp and a class III stamp, plus a form sign off.
Some states like NY also regulate shotguns on certain features, so something like a Spas - 12 or Benelli Super 90 isn't happening, but that's only in a few states.
A short barreled shotgun is legal in many states on a AOW tax stamp and form sign off.
Generally shotguns have little regulation as long as they can be shown to have a sporting purpose.
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Step 1, move out of the ghetto.
Step 2, go with a short barrel 12 guage shotgun. Some guys favor slugs, but honestlt, some size 7 1/2 target loads are gonna vaporize anything they touch. Pattern size is huge, you don't have to be as precise as with a handgun, which require a fair amount of skill and experience for a rookie to accurately place a few shots during the scramble and heat of the moment. Much more room for error with a shotgun. The control and accuracy with a shotgun can't be beat.
Also you don't have to worry about sending your .45 round through your neighbors wall and hitting one of his kids.
Step 3, buy a handgun as well, before they outlaw them. .40 glock or similar model is a great starter gun.
Birdshot isn't going to do shit! I've seen various demonstrations on ballistics gell you would have to shoot someone right in the face. Get 0000 buck or 00 buck. Target loads have no penetration power. If you're going to do it do it right. The least powerful thing is a good turkey load you could use that.
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Semi auto, self cycling guns like a Browning Auto 5 are legal in all states. A full auto, if you could find one would need a destructive device tax stamp and a class III stamp, plus a form sign off.
Some states like NY also regulate shotguns on certain features, so something like a Spas - 12 or Benelli Super 90 isn't happening, but it that's only in a few states.
A short barreled shotgun is legal in many states on a AOW tax stamp and form sign off.
Generally shotguns have little regulation as long as they can be shown to have a sporting purpose.
Also, if you have an ATF 07/SOT you can own or make your own FA shotgun. Why is another question.
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Birdshot isn't going to do shit! I've seen various demonstrations on ballistics gell you would have to shoot someone right in the face. Get 0000 buck or 00 buck. Target loads have no penetration power. If you're going to do it do it right. The least powerful thing is a good turkey load you could use that.
Time to consult The Box O' Truth!
http://www.theboxotruth.com/
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Time to consult The Box O' Truth!
http://www.theboxotruth.com/
Yup exactly birdshot is useless very bad idea. If someone armed and serious come in our serious assailants you want the right tool.
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Get one.of this super nova autos and break it in. Bad ass! Or one of these lol
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Get one.of this super nova autos and break it in. Bad ass! Or one of these lol
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S&W Governor
Mine is loaded with alternating 45s and 410 shot gun shells with slugs. This pistol asks no questions. Aim, point, dead. Will drop a Grizzly Bear. No witnesses in your living room. Just don't shoot the bad guy on your outside steps or yard. Messy!!!
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S&W Governor
Mine is loaded with alternating 45s and 410 shot gun shells with slugs. This pistol asks no questions. Aim, point, dead. Will drop a Grizzly Bear. No witnesses in your living room. Just don't shoot the bad guy on your outside steps or yard. Messy!!!
Gimmick gun and pure bullshit that either the the .45LC or the (LOL) .410 will do anything but piss off a grizz. Have you ever seen a full grown Kodiak? FFS, I have a .454 Casull as an Alaska fishing sidearm and I don't even trust THAT. a .458 or better in a long gun. Better yet, call in a fucking air strike.
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Gimmick gun and pure bullshit that either the the .45LC or the (LOL) .410 will do anything but piss off a grizz. Have you ever seen a full grown Kodiak? FFS, I have a .454 Casull as an Alaska fishing sidearm and I don't even trust THAT. a .458 or better in a long gun. Better yet, call in a fucking air strike.
Yup I agree the judge governor maybe a good car gun or snake gun.
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320 savage shotgun w police grip. Round 199 on sale.
Spray n pray.
Wen ur groggy n they're breaking in no need to aim. Just point in the general direction n let em fly. Was just talking to a cop about the new breed of criminals. No longer do they case your house n wait till u r gone. They break in at night while u r at home. Its his new breed that knows that you will prolly wake up n they r prepared to kill u if the need arises.
Only downfall to my gun is if my pets get in the way. Ill aim high.
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For us non military people who didn't grow up around guns, I prefer pepper spray and taser, and some cuffs if you've worked corrections or law enforcement at all. Guns are too problematic and you are more apt to kill the wrong person than an intruder (stats). If you taser and pepper spray someone and they aren't down and incapacitated enough to cuff, then RUN!.
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For us non military people who didn't grow up around guns, I prefer pepper spray and taser, and some cuffs if you've worked corrections or law enforcement at all. Guns are too problematic and you are more apt to kill the wrong person than an intruder (stats). If you taser and pepper spray someone and they aren't down and incapacitated enough to cuff, then RUN!.
These "stats" you're talking about are pure fabricated bullshit. If you make the decision to get a gun, GET SOME FUCKING TRAINING. A gun isn't a magic wand.
If you aren't comfortable with guns or are a pacifist or something, I pity you. But get a mean fucking dog that'll do your killing for you.
Non-lethal means require more skill than a firearm. A taser is a one shot weapon and pepper spray? Hebrew, please.
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320 savage shotgun w police grip. Round 199 on sale.
Spray n pray.
Wen ur groggy n they're breaking in no need to aim. Just point in the general direction n let em fly. Was just talking to a cop about the new breed of criminals. No longer do they case your house n wait till u r gone. They break in at night while u r at home. Its his new breed that knows that you will prolly wake up n they r prepared to kill u if the need arises.
Only downfall to my gun is if my pets get in the way. Ill aim high.
Christ, where to even start with this?
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Step 1, move out of the ghetto.
Step 2, go with a short barrel 12 guage shotgun. Some guys favor slugs, but honestlt, some size 7 1/2 target loads are gonna vaporize anything they touch. Pattern size is huge
WRONG
bird shot is for the birds
Bird shot only will leave a flesh wound
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These "stats" you're talking about are pure fabricated bullshit. If you make the decision to get a gun, GET SOME FUCKING TRAINING. A gun isn't a magic wand.
If you aren't comfortable with guns or are a pacifist or something, I pity you. But get a mean fucking dog that'll do your killing for you.
Non-lethal means require more skill than a firearm. A taser is a one shot weapon and pepper spray? Hebrew, please.
Seriously, I have a gun for one reason only - to kill home invaders. I'm not going to risk my families life with tazers, pepper spray or other bullshit that won't work on a gang of drugged out, armed Hebrews intent on rape and murder. The last house that got raided here had a happy ending when the old ladies son was home and armed, and shot the Trayvons as they forced their way in.
And anyone who robs a house with a Rottweiler is not going to be stopped with a pissy little stun gun.
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Remington 870 Police in 12 ga. 18-1/2 barrel. #4 buck FTW!
I have that with the pistol grip, but I load mine with 00 buck
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Remington 870 Police in 12 ga. 18-1/2 barrel. #4 buck FTW!
Was considering the marine magnum version of this for this very thing. Your thoughts?
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Of course, that means that you came to a gun party with your weapon out of battery. And you gave away your position with a loud sound. Gunny says go back to class.
May keep you from beheading a 12 year old kid playing a prank.
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guns are not the answer you can get into problems shooting somebody ask zimmerman, now study krav maga and learn how to disarm people and take away their guns and study some mma for general fighting , also increase your steroid stack the bigger and stronger you are the less chance of people trying to start shit with you.
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#1 A shotgun with the shortest barrel you can get. Remi 870 or Mossberg 500. The Mossy 590 is my shotgun of choice because of it's higher shell capacity.
#2 Handgun. Something easy to shoot... 9mm or .40cal. I like S&W and Glock's. I usually alternate between my M&P .40 and my Glock 30 .45cal... both are easily accessible at all times.
I also agree that you need to buy all the handguns now before they are not legal to purchase anymore.
Extra ammo is VERY important. I recommend 1000 rounds (minimum) for each weapon you have. I have a lot stored away for when the big event takes place. I'm quite convinced that ammo will be worth more than gold someday.
Learn how to take the gun down, clean it and put it back together. Practice until it becomes 2nd nature to you.
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WRONG
bird shot is for the birds
Bird shot only will leave a flesh wound
I would not want to get hit in the neck or face with birdshot. It definitely does not have the stopping power of 00 or 000 shell, but it can be lethal nevertheless.
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Was considering the marine magnum version of this for this very thing. Your thoughts?
Great gun.
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MAC11 or even a Micro Uzi will suffice
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These "stats" you're talking about are pure fabricated bullshit. If you make the decision to get a gun, GET SOME FUCKING TRAINING. A gun isn't a magic wand.
If you aren't comfortable with guns or are a pacifist or something, I pity you. But get a mean fucking dog that'll do your killing for you.
Non-lethal means require more skill than a firearm. A taser is a one shot weapon and pepper spray? Hebrew, please.
How many home invasions are repelled successfully each year with a firearm? How many accidental shootings? I can quote the research. I have worked with murderers and trained how to put a prisoner down, I don't require a penis extension. I have 3 dogs too, so I am good there too.
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I know a guy that practices martial arts and in his art they practice swords. He uses a real sword for home defense as nutty as that sounds. He showed me video of 300 pound hogs that had their heads completely cut off in one stroke of a guy with a sword. He showed me another video of a side of beef shot with 00 buck shot. It had 9 holes in the side of beef. Then a guy with a sword cuts the entire side of beef in half with a sword. In ancient day war must have been brutal with swords, spears and arrows.
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Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries
In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.
73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.
Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.
In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.
Homicide
Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.
On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.
Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.
Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.
On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.
A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.
Firearms were used in nearly 44% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2010.
More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.
The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.
Unintentional Deaths and Injuries
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, for National, Regional, and States (Dec. 2012), http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_inj.html (hereinafter WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010. Note: Users must agree to data use restrictions on the CDC site prior to accessing data). [↩]
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Nonfatal Injury Reports, at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html (last visited Nov. 20, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports). [↩]
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention and Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2010, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html (last visited Nov. 30, 2012). [↩]
U.S. Department of Defense, Statistical Information Analysis Division, Personnel & Military Casualty Statistics, U.S. Military Casualties in Southeast Asia: Vietnam Conflict – Casualty Summary As of May 16, 2008, at http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/vietnam.pdf (last visited Feb. 10, 2012); WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
U.S. Department of Defense, Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) U.S. Casualty Status, Fatalities as of: March 12, 2012, 10 a.m. EST, at http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf (last visited Feb. 10, 2012); WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
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Matthew Miller, Deborah Azrael & David Hemenway, Rates of Household Firearm Ownership and Homicide Across US Regions and States, 1988-1997, 92 Am. J. Pub. Health 1988 (2002). [↩]
David Hemenway, Private Guns, Public Health 65 (2004). [↩]
WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
Id. [↩]
Id. [↩]
Id. [↩]
Garen J. Wintemute et al., Mortality Among Recent Purchasers of Handguns, 341 New Eng. J. Med. 1583, 1585 (Nov. 18, 1999). [↩]
WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
David C. Grossman, Donald T. Reay & Stephanie A. Baker, Self-inflicted & Unintentional Firearm Injuries Among Children & Adolescents: The Source of the Firearm, 153 Archives Pediatric & Adolescent Med. 875 (Aug. 1999), at http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/153/8/875. [↩]
Matthew Miller & David Hemenway, The Relationship Between Firearms and Suicide: A Review of the Literature, 4 Aggression & Violent Behavior 59, 62-65 (1999) (summarizing the findings of multiple studies). [↩]
WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
Id. [↩]
Id. [↩]
Matthew Miller, Deborah Azrael & David Hemenway, Firearm Availability and Unintentional Firearm Deaths, 33 Accident Analysis & Prevention 477 (July 2001). [↩]
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Id. A loading indicator, also known as a “chamber load indicator,” is a safety device that indicates at a glance whether a firearm is loaded and whether a round remains in the chamber. [↩]
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This is the best starter gun
(http://www.robbinssports.com/images/sh-TAP22-alpha-quality-starting-pistol.jpg)
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Are you allowed to have a gun now?
I'm not on parole or probation and not subject to searches of any kind.
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I know a guy that practices martial arts and in his art they practice swords. He uses a real sword for home defense as nutty as that sounds. He showed me video of 300 pound hogs that had their heads completely cut off in one stroke of a guy with a sword. He showed me another video of a side of beef shot with 00 buck shot. It had 9 holes in the side of beef. Then a guy with a sword cuts the entire side of beef in half with a sword. In ancient day war must have been brutal with swords, spears and arrows.
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Cool stuff! Does sounds crazy but if you're silent swift and trained theres no reason why a sword wouldn't work in closed quarters like a house.
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I'm not on parole or probation and not subject to searches of any kind.
Felons can't own guns I thought.... can you vote?
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Yup exactly birdshot is useless very bad idea. If someone armed and serious come in our serious assailants you want the right tool.
I'm not shooting buckshot in my home with kids in the next room.
you're making it sound like birdshot is akin to throwing a bar of soap at somebody.
if somebody is 'armed and serious', they are gonna have the upper hand from the start as you're gonna be entirely umprepared even if you have an tact-barrel/folding stock FN-FAL in every room.
unless you're a diamond-dealer, jewelry store owner, banker, payday loan center owner, pawn-shop owner, or drug dealer, 9 times out of 10, the guy breaking into your home is gonna be some cowardly burgler that's gonna either be unarmed, or even if he is armed, he'll be too spooked to draw his weapon, let alone fire it accurately when he's confronted with a weapon pointed at him... and that 'spooked' level goes to x10 when that weapon is fired at him and he's gonna be looking for the nearest exit.
unlike the movies (like Belly or Shottas or Scarface), in-home shootouts are very very rare. chances are you're gonna get off 1 or 2 shots and chances of you hitting somebody are even more slim (increasing the chances of you hitting an unintended victim, such as a child in the next room... or two rooms away, as the case with a .223 or 9mm or #00)
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Ok, now break it down by how many of those shootings were ghetto goblins popping each other over control of rock corners, wrong colored do rags, or the latest pair of foamposites.
I'm sure amongst normal folks those numbers drop considerably.
As for the rest, suicides happen, hunting accidents happen, etc.... Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.
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I would not want to get hit in the neck or face with birdshot. It definitely does not have the stopping power of 00 or 000 shell, but it can be lethal nevertheless.
This was my point, but there's some good arguments here regarding knockdown power. I may revise my stance.
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For home protection...fence your home and get 2-3 of these
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For most people:
1. 9mm handgun. 15+ rounds
2. 60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3. A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4. Firearm training and at least monthly practice.
Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc. really not the best.
I have multiple guns ready. AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor. Laser and light. 44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.
I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.
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For most people:
1. 9mm handgun. 15+ rounds
2. 60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3. A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4. Firearm training and at least monthly practice.
Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc. really not the best.
I have multiple guns ready. AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor. Laser and light. 44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.
I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.
Ya I have a glock 19 with 15 round mags 4 loaded up ready to go with gold tip hollow points. I have a cheap but effective light mounted on the bottom. The mossy stays in the closet buckshot in the tube slugs on the carrier.
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For most people:
1. 9mm handgun. 15+ rounds
2. 60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3. A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4. Firearm training and at least monthly practice.
Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc. really not the best.
I have multiple guns ready. AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor. Laser and light. 44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.
I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.
Damn that's a lot to have to worry about. Have you considered moving to a safer area?
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For most people:
1. 9mm handgun. 15+ rounds
2. 60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3. A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4. Firearm training and at least monthly practice.
Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc. really not the best.
I have multiple guns ready. AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor. Laser and light. 44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.
I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.
where do you live in Colombia? and are you a drug lord? who is after you?
avg home defense (even in the hoodiest of hoods) is a dog that can bark.
Unless you walk around your home with a gun on your person 100% of the time (again are you a drug lord?)...99.9% aint carrying at home like that (I don't)...if you are...MOVE....a home invasion would require you to run to your stash to get your firearm, so you need some type of alert system around the first layer to trigger this action and that is a dog or home alert system to for windows ,doors, garages or monitor...again...are you a drug lord?
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Shotguns are always nice for beginners. I prefer the Colt M4 Carbine model 6920. It's light, accurate, you can add optics and a light to it, and a 30 round magazine is hard to beat.
Whatever you buy get some training. It's important and not expensive.
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Ok, now break it down by how many of those shootings were ghetto goblins popping each other over control of rock corners, wrong colored do rags, or the latest pair of foamposites.
I'm sure amongst normal folks those numbers drop considerably.
As for the rest, suicides happen, hunting accidents happen, etc.... Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.
This man gets it.
Also, I love the term ghetto goblin. Classic.
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Hilarious argument about use of bird shot.
Google the numerous articles about it. Yeah I don't wanna get shit with it ...retarded argument.
Might as well have a baseball bat then
Too many tactical dorks on here making silly arguments. People arguing semantics and their opinions who shoot or handle weapons 1-2 a year.
Bottom line is this
Gun for "home defense" is like a fire extinguisher ...for emergency use only for an unlikely scenario.
Stupid pistol vs shotgun vs rifle home defense shit. Use whatever gun you shoot most with enough oomph in the cartridge whether it's 9mm or 45acp or 12 gauge buckshot.
If you're worried about rounds scattering into adjacent room them shotgun is poor choice. Also ANY bed side type gun has to have a flashlight attached! Obvious reasons
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I'm not shooting buckshot in my home with kids in the next room.
you're making it sound like birdshot is akin to throwing a bar of soap at somebody.
Dude bird shot penetrates like an inch or 2. Might as well be soap.
A motivated intruder with head full of steam will carry on their business.
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where do you live in Colombia? and are you a drug lord? who is after you?
avg home defense (even in the hoodiest of hoods) is a dog that can bark.
Unless you walk around your home with a gun on your person 100% of the time (again are you a drug lord?)...99.9% aint carrying at home like that (I don't)...if you are...MOVE....a home invasion would require you to run to your stash to get your firearm, so you need some type of alert system around the first layer to trigger this action and that is a dog or home alert system to for windows ,doors, garages or monitor...again...are you a drug lord?
Haha. No. Used to live in Chicago... Now live in a nice town, but we have had a series of break ins over the last few years in the neighborhood. Golf course community, tweakers smash in and grab cash, guns, anything quick. They come in groups of 3 or more and smash the front doors in, and generally are willing to shoot.
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Good thread, surprised E-Kul hasn't melted down yet.
Blind man beaten, pregnant wife raped in Wisconsin home invasion, police say
Published March 13, 2014
Associated Press
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=535860.0;attach=564411;image)
From right, Michon A. Thomas, Kristopher J. Hughes and Eric D. Bass face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found a man and his wife lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband.AP
The men accused of severely beating a man and repeatedly sexually assaulting his pregnant wife may have meant to target a different home for a robbery, authorities in Wisconsin said.
Three men face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found the couple lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband. But a criminal complaint shows a woman may have sought to send the men to rob the home of a man she was dating.
The complaint filed Tuesday details a botched robbery plan that may have been intended to target the victims' neighbor. Authorities said Efemia A. Neumaier told the assailants they'd find at least $1,500 in cash in the home of the man she was seeing, but that the men broke into the wrong home.
Michon A. Thomas, Eric D. Bass and Kristopher J. Hughes all face robbery and sexual assault charges in the in the Feb. 23 home invasion on Madison's east side.
Neumaier has been charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery after the man she was seeing discovered her Facebook messages to Thomas setting up the attack, the complaint says. Two others accused of helping plan and carry out the attack also have been charged.
The complaint says that while the couple struggled to sleep about 5 a.m. that Sunday morning, the male victim, who is legally blind without his glasses, noticed the bedroom door was open and shouldn't have been.
"Is someone here?" the man called out from bed. A suspect then turned on the bedroom light and three men burst into the room, demanding money.
"Someone's gonna die tonight," one suspect said, according to the complaint. One suspect was allegedly wearing a mask from the movie "Scream."
The female victim told the three men repeatedly that she was pregnant, and that the men could take what they wanted from the house.
Reports say Hughes pulled the male victim from bed, laid him on his back and began hitting him in the face with a gun and punching and kicking his body.
Another suspect pulled the woman from bed and ordered her to lie on her stomach in the hallway, the report says. A suspect allegedly took a handgun and put it to the woman's stomach, saying, "You're going to die tonight."
All three men are accused of sexually assaulting the woman, and one is accused of forcing her to perform oral sex.
After putting the couple in a darkened laundry room, the complaint says the men left with electronics and the couple's credit cards and wedding rings. The complaint says the men left in a rented Ford Fusion driven by DeAndrae L. Mayweathers Jr., who was charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.
The victims ran to a neighbor's house for help, the man with what's described in the report as a baseball-sized contusion to his head and the woman bleeding from the assault.
Police said after interviewing neighbors that the alleged assailants planned a "lick" on a man believed to carry large sums of money, but struck the wrong house.
A fifth man, DeMarco D. Mallit, has been charged with theft and aiding a felon. Investigators said the robbery was planned at his apartment.
Bass, who pleaded no contest to three counts of sexual assault in 2011, was ordered held on a $75,000 cash bail. That was higher than Thomas and Hughes, who received $50,000 bail each. Mayweathers was held on $10,000 bail, and Neumaier and Mallit were each held on $5,000 bail.
Public defenders have not yet been assigned to the suspects. Court commissioner Todd E. Meurer advised Bass on Tuesday to hire a private attorney right away.
Police said Mayweathers' girlfriend told them he wanted to drive the car because it was rented in his name, but that "he did not want to be involved in (the robbery)."
She said when he told her the story he did not mention how the woman was assaulted or that she was six months pregnant.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/wisconsin-home-invaders-beat-blind-husband-raped-pregnant-wife-police-say/
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Seriously, I have a gun for one reason only - to kill home invaders. I'm not going to risk my families life with tazers, pepper spray or other bullshit that won't work on a gang of drugged out, armed Hebrews intent on rape and murder. The last house that got raided here had a happy ending when the old ladies son was home and armed, and shot the Trayvons as they forced their way in.
And anyone who robs a house with a Rottweiler is not going to be stopped with a pissy little stun gun.
This.
If someone breaks into my house I'm killing the fuck out of them.
By the sound of things I'll be getting a shotgun for home and a handgun for fun. I've shot a few at the range and have lots of friends who can fill me in from there. They're gun nuts and going to take me in to get my registration soon.
Still got more research to do. This thread is awesome. Thanks again, all.
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gotcha gotcha ...those "randoms" crimes are the worst ones. the ones where the cluckers actually "travel" to nice parts of towns and do random smash and grabs, purse snatches, knocking on doors during work hours to see if anybody is home type shit (wife..etc) then kick in the door.
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More of Obamas sons enacting justice for Trayvon.
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Christ, where to even start with this?
wherever you'd like would be my friendly suggestion.
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Good thread, surprised E-Kul hasn't melted down yet.
Blind man beaten, pregnant wife raped in Wisconsin home invasion, police say
Published March 13, 2014
Associated Press
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=535860.0;attach=564411;image)
From right, Michon A. Thomas, Kristopher J. Hughes and Eric D. Bass face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found a man and his wife lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband.AP
The men accused of severely beating a man and repeatedly sexually assaulting his pregnant wife may have meant to target a different home for a robbery, authorities in Wisconsin said.
Three men face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found the couple lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband. But a criminal complaint shows a woman may have sought to send the men to rob the home of a man she was dating.
The complaint filed Tuesday details a botched robbery plan that may have been intended to target the victims' neighbor. Authorities said Efemia A. Neumaier told the assailants they'd find at least $1,500 in cash in the home of the man she was seeing, but that the men broke into the wrong home.
Michon A. Thomas, Eric D. Bass and Kristopher J. Hughes all face robbery and sexual assault charges in the in the Feb. 23 home invasion on Madison's east side.
Neumaier has been charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery after the man she was seeing discovered her Facebook messages to Thomas setting up the attack, the complaint says. Two others accused of helping plan and carry out the attack also have been charged.
The complaint says that while the couple struggled to sleep about 5 a.m. that Sunday morning, the male victim, who is legally blind without his glasses, noticed the bedroom door was open and shouldn't have been.
"Is someone here?" the man called out from bed. A suspect then turned on the bedroom light and three men burst into the room, demanding money.
"Someone's gonna die tonight," one suspect said, according to the complaint. One suspect was allegedly wearing a mask from the movie "Scream."
The female victim told the three men repeatedly that she was pregnant, and that the men could take what they wanted from the house.
Reports say Hughes pulled the male victim from bed, laid him on his back and began hitting him in the face with a gun and punching and kicking his body.
Another suspect pulled the woman from bed and ordered her to lie on her stomach in the hallway, the report says. A suspect allegedly took a handgun and put it to the woman's stomach, saying, "You're going to die tonight."
All three men are accused of sexually assaulting the woman, and one is accused of forcing her to perform oral sex.
After putting the couple in a darkened laundry room, the complaint says the men left with electronics and the couple's credit cards and wedding rings. The complaint says the men left in a rented Ford Fusion driven by DeAndrae L. Mayweathers Jr., who was charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.
The victims ran to a neighbor's house for help, the man with what's described in the report as a baseball-sized contusion to his head and the woman bleeding from the assault.
Police said after interviewing neighbors that the alleged assailants planned a "lick" on a man believed to carry large sums of money, but struck the wrong house.
A fifth man, DeMarco D. Mallit, has been charged with theft and aiding a felon. Investigators said the robbery was planned at his apartment.
Bass, who pleaded no contest to three counts of sexual assault in 2011, was ordered held on a $75,000 cash bail. That was higher than Thomas and Hughes, who received $50,000 bail each. Mayweathers was held on $10,000 bail, and Neumaier and Mallit were each held on $5,000 bail.
Public defenders have not yet been assigned to the suspects. Court commissioner Todd E. Meurer advised Bass on Tuesday to hire a private attorney right away.
Police said Mayweathers' girlfriend told them he wanted to drive the car because it was rented in his name, but that "he did not want to be involved in (the robbery)."
She said when he told her the story he did not mention how the woman was assaulted or that she was six months pregnant.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/wisconsin-home-invaders-beat-blind-husband-raped-pregnant-wife-police-say/
im not scared
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gotcha gotcha ...those "randoms" crimes are the worst ones. the ones where the cluckers actually "travel" to nice parts of towns and do random smash and grabs, purse snatches, knocking on doors during work hours to see if anybody is home type shit (wife..etc) then kick in the door.
All the houses at the bottom of the hill, next to the freeway that runs up into the shittest part of Oakland, have security doors, barbed wire fences etc. one of the reasons I brought a mile up a steep hill is the Hebrews are too lazy to come all the way up here.
Lucky for us with a permanent democrat majority running the city they will keep importing Oakland shitbags like the ones in that article posted and we get to pay for them to live closer to the richer folks ... It's social justice as they don't have as far to drive to claim their "reparations" from elderly Chinese ladies living alone.
EKul would likely open the door and invite them in to ensure no guns were discharged.
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A starter gun is ok for race day but you should get an actual gun for protection.
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I know a guy that practices martial arts and in his art they practice swords. He uses a real sword for home defense as nutty as that sounds. He showed me video of 300 pound hogs that had their heads completely cut off in one stroke of a guy with a sword. He showed me another video of a side of beef shot with 00 buck shot. It had 9 holes in the side of beef. Then a guy with a sword cuts the entire side of beef in half with a sword. In ancient day war must have been brutal with swords, spears and arrows.
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One somebody chimes in on the efficacy of a replica sword, we're done. But one last thought from me on this idea: you do know that many home confrontations are in hallways, right? You might want to think about the value of the overhead strike with 8' ceilings.
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;D just keep 3 or 4 of these on hand , while killer is shooting one or two of them the others would rip his or her throat out. actually people even crazies don't like to mess with big dogs.
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;D just keep 3 or 4 of these on hand , while killer is shooting one or two of them the others would rip his or her throat out. actually people even crazies don't like to mess with big dogs.
True. I agree. Standard home defense...dogs.
For the randoms though....there are just too many variables. Hell, not too long ago where I live (nice area) this woman was robbed and beaten while waiting on the security gate to open at her community. Guy just smashed her driver side window, drug her out, beat her, took her purse.
Some drifter that worked his way to the area basically.
I know i'm pretty much on guard all the time, but not everyone is wired that way. Even I could get caught "slippin" in a random. Those bother me the most.
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True. I agree. Standard home defense...dogs.
For the randoms though....there are just too many variables. Hell, not too long ago where I live (nice area) this woman was robbed and beaten while waiting on the security gate to open at her community. Guy just smashed her driver side window, drug her out, beat her, took her purse.
Some drifter that worked his way to the area basically.
I know i'm pretty much on guard all the time, but not everyone is wired that way. Even I could get caught "slippin" in a random. Those bother me the most.
The chances of something like this happening are very very low... you have a far greater chance of being killed by a drunk driver.
Take reasonable measures to ensure your safety, but spending your life worrying about something that will most likely never happen is no way to go through life. That's my opinion at least
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The chances of something like this happening are very very low... you have a far greater chance of being killed by a drunk driver.
Take reasonable measures to ensure your safety, but spending your life worrying about something that will most likely never happen is no way to go through life. That's my opinion at least
That is solid. I'm slowly coming to that understanding but part of me is like "damn that" ;D
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Buy a pump shotgun....any home intruder hears the unmistakable sound of you racking it and good chance they will tuck tail and run.
Yes and no. Yes to the shotgun no to racking it and giving away your position to an intruder. If you have a gun in your house for defense it should always be ready to fire. You won't have the time or mental alertness to be loading or chambering a weapon at 3am,in the dark, just after hearing a window break.
If you're concerned that your kids will get into it or your wife will shoot herself accidentally then you need to address those issues with the family before buying the gun.
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Yes and no. Yes to the shotgun no to racking it and giving away your position to an intruder. If you have a gun in your house for defense it should always be ready to fire. You won't have the time or mental alertness to be loading or chambering a weapon at 3am,in the dark, just after hearing a window break.
If you're concerned that your kids will get into it or your wife will shoot herself accidentally then you need to address those issues with the family before buying the gun.
lol Nothing like being in the trenches at home in your pajamas under fire. ;D
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Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries
In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.
73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.
Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.
In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.
Homicide
Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.
On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.
Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.
Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.
On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.
A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.
Firearms were used in nearly 44% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2010.
More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.
The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.
Unintentional Deaths and Injuries
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, for National, Regional, and States (Dec. 2012), http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_inj.html (hereinafter WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010. Note: Users must agree to data use restrictions on the CDC site prior to accessing data). [↩]
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Nonfatal Injury Reports, at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html (last visited Nov. 20, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports). [↩]
Nat’l Ctr. for Injury Prevention and Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2010, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html (last visited Nov. 30, 2012). [↩]
U.S. Department of Defense, Statistical Information Analysis Division, Personnel & Military Casualty Statistics, U.S. Military Casualties in Southeast Asia: Vietnam Conflict – Casualty Summary As of May 16, 2008, at http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/vietnam.pdf (last visited Feb. 10, 2012); WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1. [↩]
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Id. A loading indicator, also known as a “chamber load indicator,” is a safety device that indicates at a glance whether a firearm is loaded and whether a round remains in the chamber. [↩]
Ban forks and spoons too... they make people fat.
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TLDR; Normally if there's any danger I can throw up a front double biceps or hit a most muscular and avert danger. But last week there was a murder rampage 3 blocks away and it shook me up. I need to know what's a good starter gun to keep at home. Getting my license very soon because I fear the gun laws will be changed any time soon.
Long version; The shooting was at a mill and there were 6 choppers that flew past my house along with more than a dozen sirens I heard rushing past while I was taking my morning shit. When news broke out I heard it was at a mill and I thought it was were my brother was working. I nearly broke down but found out it was a mill right by where his mill is. Two dead and four people shot by a disgruntled employee. My mom was at the ER and treated them all and said one buddy's face was shot right off and the other badly injured dude also died. The two deceased were flown to another hospital but she said she knew they weren't going to make it. Other two were lucky to live. And she had to treat the shooter too. The shooter was tackled by a couple brave employees but only had a few bumps and bruises... I think they should have turned the gun on him and did him in on the spot.
Anyway, later that day I'm doing yard work and run out of work beers, so I walk down to the liquor store a block away. My mom calls me frantic about a stabbing on my street "someone on your street just stabbed two people and is trying to break into houses to hide, get home right now!!!!". I turn around and run home to protect my wife and baby. Then I hear sirens again and the cops luckily apprehend the fucker. Shortly after, maybe a day or two, a 16 year old chick got stabbed more than 20 times as well but survived. :-\
Take the gun nutters advice and realise, you're more likely to be killed driving to work, so why are you worried about being the victim of gun crime? You just need to man up, take a few deep breaths and accept you can't prevent fate. This realisation may help you begin to think rationally instead of making rash decisions based on fear. That's how the crazy American Gun Culture started in the first place and how it is still fed to the masses. FEAR !!!!!!
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Ban forks and spoons too... they make people fat.
Does an individuals spoons and forks make OTHER people fat?
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Does an individuals spoons and forks make OTHER people fat?
Yes , they influence others.
Ever seen someone eating something and thought you would like to try it?
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lol Nothing like being in the trenches at home in your pajamas under fire. ;D
and I don't wear pajamas! :-X
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Yes and no. Yes to the shotgun no to racking it and giving away your position to an intruder. If you have a gun in your house for defense it should always be ready to fire. You won't have the time or mental alertness to be loading or chambering a weapon at 3am,in the dark, just after hearing a window break.
If you're concerned that your kids will get into it or your wife will shoot herself accidentally then you need to address those issues with the family before buying the gun.
Another living room Rambo, ready to blaze away at the 85 year old neighbor with Alzhemier's who mistakenly comes "home" to the wrong house. ::)
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Anyone not using nun chucks to protect their family is a certified Grade A Fugazzi.
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Another living room Rambo, ready to blaze away at the 85 year old neighbor with Alzhemier's who mistakenly comes "home" to the wrong house. ::)
Using E-Kul's actuarial likelihood tables, your scenario is less plausible than a Trayvon.
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Would never buy a Norc. When it comes down to it I'm not trusting my life to a Chinese made gun. Springfield 1911 FTW
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I have one, I've NEVER had any issues with it, EVER... I keep it clean and lubed though!
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Take the gun nutters advice and realise, you're more likely to be killed driving to work, so why are you worried about being the victim of gun crime? You just need to man up, take a few deep breaths and accept you can't prevent fate. This realisation may help you begin to think rationally instead of making rash decisions based on fear. That's how the crazy American Gun Culture started in the first place and how it is still fed to the masses. FEAR !!!!!!
I watched a stabber get dragged away outside my home. Someone also went on a shooting rampage a couple blocks away. This is not being a victim of gun culture and propaganda. Canada is going to be dropping heavy legislation and I want a gun before it's not legal.
I also don't plan to carry 24/7 like the nuts here who think they'll die in a grocery store in a shootout. I want a gun just for at home. That way if anyone enters my home without permission my wife can pull a trigger and kill them. Is that okay with you?
And don't forget, I have a savage pitbull too. Dogs are good, but there are alcoholic native Americans who get high and break into homes regardless of noise and pets. It's a new trend where people break in and go balls to the wall with reckless abandon. No one expects that level of stupidity and brazenness which gives them a violent upper hand. If someone does this, I want to put bullets in them. In the nice end of town where I used to live, people were getting bound and beaten with lead pipes during break ins so I'm overdue for getting protection.
I chased away a robber with a hammer (I have hammers everywhere in case of emergency) and chased away drunk/high natives with a meat cleaver before. I'm not afraid for my own safety. I'm afraid for my wife and child and want to cinch up this last opening.
We also have cougars and bears so my fears are rational and not confounded. When my dog got lost when I was hiking I was stalked by two cougars and a bear was also spotted in that area just a couple hours prior.
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I'm not a gun guy but it seems obvious. A high shell capacity, magazine fed, semi-auto, short barrel shotgun, and two are better than one.
Apparently they're "illegal." ::) Pfff.
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Dustin look into getting glock 19 best combat handgun. Easy to use clean. Security forces and police use them all over the world. Glocks are super durable and reliable. Takes all differ size mags. You can get a pump shotgun for cheap. You can clean and lube up a ten year old pump gun and it will work great. Get a Mossberg 500 or an 870 Remington.
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Take the gun nutters advice and realise, you're more likely to be killed driving to work, so why are you worried about being the victim of gun crime? You just need to man up, take a few deep breaths and accept you can't prevent fate. This realisation may help you begin to think rationally instead of making rash decisions based on fear. That's how the crazy American Gun Culture started in the first place and how it is still fed to the masses. FEAR !!!!!!
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I watched a stabber get dragged away outside my home. Someone also went on a shooting rampage a couple blocks away. This is not being a victim of gun culture and propaganda. Canada is going to be dropping heavy legislation and I want a gun before it's not legal.
I also don't plan to carry 24/7 like the nuts here who think they'll die in a grocery store in a shootout. I want a gun just for at home. That way if anyone enters my home without permission my wife can pull a trigger and kill them. Is that okay with you?
And don't forget, I have a savage pitbull too. Dogs are good, but there are alcoholic native Americans who get high and break into homes regardless of noise and pets. It's a new trend where people break in and go balls to the wall with reckless abandon. No one expects that level of stupidity and brazenness which gives them a violent upper hand. If someone does this, I want to put bullets in them. In the nice end of town where I used to live, people were getting bound and beaten with lead pipes during break ins so I'm overdue for getting protection.
I chased away a robber with a hammer (I have hammers everywhere in case of emergency) and chased away drunk/high natives with a meat cleaver before. I'm not afraid for my own safety. I'm afraid for my wife and child and want to cinch up this last opening.
We also have cougars and bears so my fears are rational and not confounded. When my dog got lost when I was hiking I was stalked by two cougars and a bear was also spotted in that area just a couple hours prior.
You should have your dog put down while you're at it since Pit bulls are even more dangerous to their owners than loaded firearms.
offering those nice first nations who break into your home a refreshing bottle of mouthwash or can of gasoline as a peace offering would be a much better idea than buying a gun and living in fear of shooting yourself.
think of the children!!
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This is the best starter gun
(http://www.robbinssports.com/images/sh-TAP22-alpha-quality-starting-pistol.jpg)
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Simpleton. I love guns and death. ::)
Most firearms are in the wrong hands of people who should not even be near them. But this is the majority of American gun owners. Properly trained and tactically capable gun owners I have no problem with.
For the love of pete , don't be one of these guys...
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Simpleton. I love guns and death. ::)
Most firearms are in the wrong hands of people who should not even be near them. But this is the majority of American gun owners. Properly trained and tactically capable gun owners I have no problem with.
For the love of pete , don't be one of these guys...
Oh ok I just saw.you agree.with the resident scary cat sorry.
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Pump shotgun like a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590...something modern, reliable and hi-cap like an XDm or Glock in 9mm....or something simple to use and inexpensive like a police trade-in Smith Model 10 revolver in .38 special.
This was the best advice from a few previous posts just to recap.
Whatever one you can practice with is the one to use....sometimes that means handgun at the range instead of shotgun. If you aren't used to firing a shotgun you don't want to use it indoors for the first time anyway.
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Oh ok I just saw.you agree.with the resident scary cat sorry.
He's like a jack russell terrier that rips your couch apart when you leave at home for the day. feisty and vengeful. Once in a while he barks and demands attention, so he takes extremist stances on various things and gets everyone going.
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glock 19...and a good tactical handgun class..
bench
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guns are not the answer you can get into problems shooting somebody ask zimmerman, now study krav maga and learn how to disarm people and take away their guns and study some mma for general fighting , also increase your steroid stack the bigger and stronger you are the less chance of people trying to start shit with you.
good points.
most important of all, is avoiding a gun battle.
sure, if a dude is in your house, that ship has already sailed. But dudes like zimmerman helped to create that situation. Grabbing a gun and chasing a teenager thru the dark rainy night cause he doesn't like his looks. Each day, millions of shootings are avoided when people just employ common sense.
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Gimmick gun and pure bullshit that either the the .45LC or the (LOL) .410 will do anything but piss off a grizz. Have you ever seen a full grown Kodiak? FFS, I have a .454 Casull as an Alaska fishing sidearm and I don't even trust THAT. a .458 or better in a long gun. Better yet, call in a fucking air strike.
I use the 50/50 set up in my home and 45ACP in the forest with lazer. Only big blacks in our forest. I feel very safe with my noisey little Gimmick Gun thank you. Effective if you know where to point the lazer dot. I also have a 16 clip Ruger with a DU load on the other hip when Yogi is around. Wife has a 9mm in her purse and a 18" Savage 12ga. with slugs next to the bed.
Happyfishing/ hunting.
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good points.
most important of all, is avoiding a gun battle.
sure, if a dude is in your house, that ship has already sailed. But dudes like zimmerman helped to create that situation. Grabbing a gun and chasing a teenager thru the dark rainy night cause he doesn't like his looks. Each day, millions of shootings are avoided when people just employ common sense.
its no secret that im a huge gun fanatic...but in real life when people ask me about a good gun for home protection i always tell them to get a large breed dog..
cause the untrained masses dont know how to use judgment in a gunfight..they dont know how to clear corners..they dont know how to use light...they sure as hell cant judge the angle of a shot in accordance to the backstop of a target...
bench
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its no secret that im a huge gun fanatic...but in real life when people ask me about a good gun for home protection i always tell them to get a large breed dog..
cause the untrained masses dont know how to use judgment in a gunfight..they dont know how to clear corners..they dont know how to use light...they sure as hell cant judge the angle of a shot in accordance to the backstop of a target...
bench
bench, I have an RPG-7 in every room in case an intruder gets past my perimeter claymores, you think that's enough for suburban white bread America?
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bench, I have an RPG-7 in every room in case an intruder gets past my perimeter claymores, you think that's enough for suburban white bread America?
i think you are being downright careless with that weak ass firepower!
you MUST upgrade to carl gustavs, and have constant air support if you want to survive the occasional barking dog, or noisy ice cream truck!
bench
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Gimmick gun and pure bullshit that either the the .45LC or the (LOL) .410 will do anything but piss off a grizz. Have you ever seen a full grown Kodiak? FFS, I have a .454 Casull as an Alaska fishing sidearm and I don't even trust THAT. a .458 or better in a long gun. Better yet, call in a fucking air strike.
Like they never have hunted bears before high power cartridges? In fact, they hunt grizz even today with bows and arrows, and furthermore, when come fronting with the largest bear in the universe, I would prefer a gun which I can handle, not some fucking ego blaster. With bear, the point is never the caliber, it is your ability to put your bullets on the right place. If you are able to fire your gun empty to palm size group at 30 feet under 2.5 seconds, it is good gun for self-defense against wild animals. Anything less than that means you probably will be dead. For me it is 44 mag, .500 mag group is almost twice as big, even I shoot a lot of those.
What comes to the other advises to the poor bastard in bad neighborhood, it seem to me that there only one good solution. Buy the shotgun, because any other type of gun need lot of practice to use it. Pump shotgun with right ammunition is cheap, easy to use and reliable. Look for example hickok45 at the YouTube, you learn the difference between guns and ammo.
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Look for example hickok45 at the YouTube, you learn the difference between guns and ammo.
If someone needs to Google that then they shouldnt own a gun/ammo.
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i think you are being downright careless with that weak ass firepower!
you MUST upgrade to carl gustavs, and have constant air support if you want to survive the occasional barking dog, or noisy ice cream truck!
bench
Dang....and I've spent the last two years building my own Ironman suit here in my basement. ;D
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I have carried a gun for 31 years and listening about some of the firearms suggested for home defense makes me wonder about where some of you people live. Instead of investing in a laser AR-15 platform for under 3 yard indoor home defense plans maybe you should invest in a moving truck and go to a safer neighborhood.
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its no secret that im a huge gun fanatic...but in real life when people ask me about a good gun for home protection i always tell them to get a large breed dog..
cause the untrained masses dont know how to use judgment in a gunfight..they dont know how to clear corners..they dont know how to use light...they sure as hell cant judge the angle of a shot in accordance to the backstop of a target...
bench
Yep. Guns are DANGEROUS. People pray and spray and just act completely shocked at the damage they cause. Imagine the average dude with a 30-round AR-15, emptying the gun into his door and wall, while scared shitless. Killing unrelated shit all over the neighborhood.
And a poodle can be just as useful as a large dog for keeping the home safe. Granted, they can't rip people up as badly, but nothing gets past them.
And above all... people do'nt realie you don't HAVE to get into a gunfight most of the time. People think "there's a threat, i have a gun, I guess it's time to start firing". There are MANY ways to end situation without shooting. Would I actually RUN for a punk ass, 120 pound twink with a 2 inch switchblade, 50 feet away, while I'm holding my weapon? You bet your ass I would. AVOID + NEGOTIATE before any kind of shooting. Back off, run, and of course, give the guy verbal encouragement to end the confrontation. I'd look like a total punkass, running from some little twink when I could legally waste his ass with a gun... but heck yes, I'm running and yelling for help and all that. Avoid shooting if possible. Too many people are eager for that shit. "Can I shoot a guy if..." is the WORST question to hear in concealed permit classes.
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Yep. Guns are DANGEROUS. People pray and spray and just act completely shocked at the damage they cause. Imagine the average dude with a 30-round AR-15, emptying the gun into his door and wall, while scared shitless. Killing unrelated shit all over the neighborhood.
And a poodle can be just as useful as a large dog for keeping the home safe. Granted, they can't rip people up as badly, but nothing gets past them.
And above all... people do'nt realie you don't HAVE to get into a gunfight most of the time. People think "there's a threat, i have a gun, I guess it's time to start firing". There are MANY ways to end situation without shooting. Would I actually RUN for a punk ass, 120 pound twink with a 2 inch switchblade, 50 feet away, while I'm holding my weapon? You bet your ass I would. AVOID + NEGOTIATE before any kind of shooting. Back off, run, and of course, give the guy verbal encouragement to end the confrontation. I'd look like a total punkass, running from some little twink when I could legally waste his ass with a gun... but heck yes, I'm running and yelling for help and all that. Avoid shooting if possible. Too many people are eager for that shit. "Can I shoot a guy if..." is the WORST question to hear in concealed permit classes.
Epic reliance on capital letters for emphasis.
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If someone needs to Google that then they shouldnt own a gun/ammo.
So, when you are buying your first firearm, you should just go for it without any previous study or knowledge? Only an imbecile can be as stupid as that..
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bench, I have an RPG-7 in every room in case an intruder gets past my perimeter claymores, you think that's enough for suburban white bread America?
I like what you are doing so far.
However, you need a flamethrower for sure and it would probably be a good idea to add a Barrett 50 cal to deal with long distance threats.
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its no secret that im a huge gun fanatic...but in real life when people ask me about a good gun for home protection i always tell them to get a large breed dog..
cause the untrained masses dont know how to use judgment in a gunfight..they dont know how to clear corners..they dont know how to use light...they sure as hell cant judge the angle of a shot in accordance to the backstop of a target...
bench
Finally someone said it. Despite some basic instruction, I wouldn't trust 99% of the population with a plastic spoon in a crisis situation. Everyone is Dirty Harry is his own mind -- until someone yells 'boo!' and all fantasies go up in smoke and a relaxed bladder.
Very few people have the dominating mindset, where they by default instantly act to take control of any situation. If you truly have this, then you already know this from unpleasant experience. If you dream about having this type of personality: you don't have it. Get a dog. Convert your bedroom into a bunker with bullet proof walls and door with solid jambs and deadbolts. Take up running. Organize your neighborhood to pay for extra security. Just forget about weapons.
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Finally someone said it. Despite some basic instruction, I wouldn't trust 99% of the population with a plastic spoon in a crisis situation. Everyone is Dirty Harry is his own mind -- until someone yells 'boo!' and all fantasies go up in smoke and a relaxed bladder.
Very few people have the dominating mindset, where they by default instantly act to take control of any situation. If you truly have this, then you already know this from unpleasant experience. If you dream about having this type of personality: you don't have it. Get a dog. Convert your bedroom into a bunker with bullet proof walls and door with solid jambs and deadbolts. Take up running. Organize your neighborhood to pay for extra security. Just forget about weapons.
Great post
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If you dream about having this type of personality: you don't have it.
THIS!! :D