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Getting great results with the keto diet guys!! Im a believer, its done wonders for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention, once the comp is done im full on paleo for life..I feel great, making great progress! I encourage you guys to give this diet a shot, I have no cravings, the meals im eating are enjoyable and giving me tons of energy! Make it Happen Bros!! ;D
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Wonder how many pages this will get!!! ;D
Keto is a great diet, I agree the cravings for sweets and such disappear within a couple weeks.
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Nice specs poindexter.
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Getting great results with the keto diet guys!! Im a believer, its done wonders for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention, once the comp is done im full on paleo for life..I feel great, making great progress! I encourage you guys to give this diet a shot, I have no cravings, the meals im eating are enjoyable and giving me tons of energy! Make it Happen Bros!! ;D
First get rid of those glasses you look like a weird nerdy fag, if you wear them to protect your eyes when a schome shoot his load in your face then I guess I understand, you have no traps or shoulders and your back lacks thickness, plus you are a skinny twink so I am giving you a D you Failed.
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I will not get involved in this until this guy gets himself a bit more upper chest,
We told you 4 months ago, and you just wouldn't listen >:(
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good results for a lifetime natty (other than delts looking small.)
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When you say Keto what type of Carb intake are we talking about?
Personally, unless one is dieting for a contest, I see no reason for full blown Keto.
If you stick to about 150 grams, average, a day, most of the glucose will be used by the brain with the rest stored as glycogen. As long as you're not in a calorie surplus, there will be no fat accumulation.
A lot of the Paleo "Community" are former and soon to be again fatsos who use the diet as a pretext for gorging themselves with bacon and heavy cream.
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HEY you look good ,midsection tight,traps are small but for mens physique you have great balance,.good job.your back is good,full lats,wide,from front you wouldn't think you back would be like that..
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hard to function(think/work) on full keto. But it's effective.
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That damn boat food will rip you up.
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Dude looks great. The glasses are...a bit wrong. But I am willing to bet that the glasses + the physique has the potential to pull truckloads of pussy. Hopefully, you are 6 foot+.
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Dude looks great. The glasses are...a bit wrong. But I am willing to bet that the glasses + the physique has the potential to pull truckloads of pussy. Hopefully, you are 6 foot+.
no he's shorter than that by a few..
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Dude looks great. The glasses are...a bit wrong. But I am willing to bet that the glasses + the physique has the potential to pull truckloads of pussy. Hopefully, you are 6 foot+.
He's like 5'6.2" and 140lbs :-\ :D
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He's like 5'6.2" and 140lbs :-\ :D
That's OK. I am sure that he's still happy...
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That's OK. I am sure that he's still happy...
That he is
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That's OK. I am sure that he's still happy...
sure? how can someone 5'6 ever be happy?
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Wonder how many pages this will get!!! ;D
Keto is a great diet, I agree the cravings for sweets and such disappear within a couple weeks.
I agree..I have absolutely no desire to cheat..it's weird
I will not get involved in this until this guy gets himself a bit more upper chest,
We told you 4 months ago, and you just wouldn't listen >:(
I agree I need to improve chest/delts..im doing the best I can to make improvements. .takes time broski.
When you say Keto what type of Carb intake are we talking about?
Personally, unless one is dieting for a contest, I see no reason for full blown Keto.
If you stick to about 150 grams, average, a day, most of the glucose will be used by the brain with the rest stored as glycogen. As long as you're not in a calorie surplus, there will be no fat accumulation.
A lot of the Paleo "Community" are former and soon to be again fatsos who use the diet as a pretext for gorging themselves with bacon and heavy cream.
No carbs on keto..only trace carbs through nuts and green veggies. .I agree its great for contest prep..
Paleo for every day life..I dont gorge myself with bacon and heavy cream is disgusting.
HEY you look good ,midsection tight,traps are small but for mens physique you have great balance,.good job.your back is good,full lats,wide,from front you wouldn't think you back would be like that..
Thanks NJ
I'll ask.
Would you be so kind as to lay out a typical day's food, if you don't mind. And yes, I'm genuinely curious. You're one of the few guys who posts pics, so I think you have cred.
Are you still doing a lot of cardio everyday, or have you found the keto diet has allowed you to back off on the cardio?
meal 1: 6 eggs and half and avacado meal 2: 10 oz bison, unlimited broccoli meal 3: 8 oz chicken, spinach salad, macadamia nut oil, handful almonds meal 4: 8 oz grass fed ground beef, unlimited broccoli meal 5: post workout shake 2 scoop isopure meal 6: 10 oz salmon, asparagus sprinkled in olive oil
cardio: 45 in am, 20 post workout
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A go4it thread with his pictures in the 1st post?Never seen this before
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sure? how can someone 5'6 ever be happy?
Dunno. I guess the atmosphere is more oxygen-rich down there at floor level...
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Go4it is too full of himself to be depressed or sad about anything in life.
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Go4it is too full of himself to be depressed or sad about anything in life.
fuck I just lold
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Great looking build!
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Thanks man. I appreciate the response.
That's a lot of food - a lot more than I eat. And I'm not saying this to boast - I have about 40lbs more lean mass than you do.
But then, I don't do cardio at all. I only lift weights 5x/week.
I eat between 1600 and 2000 calories/day. But I tend to err on the side of lower carb like you do. It's just how I eat...I feel much more satisfied and full eating proteins and fats and veggies than i do eating carbs.
It's amazing how powerful genetics are, isn't it? Two men - one outweighs the other by significant increments, yet has to eat less and looks less lean. It's a bitch!
Good physique as always G4I. Thanks for answering my question.
Yeah I have a huge appetite. .I started off the diet with lower #'s oike 6-8 oz of meat in the meals and I was drained. .no energy at all..once I upped the #'s then I started to feel great and really hit my stride..for me the beef/steak meals are key..sometimes I'll take in 2-3 beef meals a day..keeps me more energized and I feel stronger.
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Great looking build!
thanks Sev
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So you look pretty much the same now as you did when you were eating 5000 cals for breakfast???
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So you look pretty much the same now as you did when you were eating 5000 cals for breakfast???
ive dropped 20 pounds in 6 weeks..
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I try to remain Paleo as much as I can. keep aside one day for a cheat meal with full on wheat and sweets. gotta look up this Keto stuff.
ok just found a decent resource here http://www.ruled.me/30-day-ketogenic-diet-plan/ (http://www.ruled.me/30-day-ketogenic-diet-plan/)
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ive dropped 20 pounds in 6 weeks..
Make sure you get out of the bath before pulling the plug out.
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Another natty with some gyno.
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Make sure you get out of the bath before pulling the plug out.
6 weeks before/after
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PS....it's irrelevant, you look very good. Shredded.
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have u started working on ur upper pec and delts yet???
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Look really good
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PS....it's irrelevant, you look very good. Shredded.
thanks man..honestly im not here to debate about natural status im over it. .but I have zero gyno..if anything my nipples are too tiny.
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Ground bison and broccoli has always been my go to diet foods to get ripped for summer. Nice to see other people discovering bison.
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I try to remain Paleo as much as I can. keep aside one day for a cheat meal with full on wheat and sweets. gotta look up this Keto stuff.
ok just found a decent resource here http://www.ruled.me/30-day-ketogenic-diet-plan/ (http://www.ruled.me/30-day-ketogenic-diet-plan/)
you should try to do a clean carb up..getting in the same amount of daily cals, just switch around your macros..60% carbs, 30% protein, and 10% fat..but from clean sources.
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6 weeks before/after
When a person who is not well developed go to very low bodyfat they just look stupid, eat like a normal gymrat and go train heavy doing deadlift, inclines, presses etc cause you dont have any traps, shoulders, back or upper chest, concentrate on getting developed instead of dropping bodyfat and looking like shit.
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When a person who is not well developed go to very low bodyfat they just look stupid, eat like a normal gymrat and go train heavy doing deadlift, inclines, presses etc cause you dont have any traps, shoulders, back or upper chest, concentrate on getting developed instead of dropping bodyfat and looking like shit.
thats fine..but I know I have a good back..
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6 weeks before/after
i think the before picture actually looks better, at least for an every day look.
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thats fine..but I know I have a good back..
The Trainer would disappear next to that.
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thanks man..honestly im not here to debate about natural status im over it. .but I have zero gyno..if anything my nipples are too tiny.
I LOVE TALKING ABOUT NIPPLES
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You look great regarding the fact that you are a natty. Wide lats :o. How's the separation in the quad department?
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I LOVE TALKING ABOUT NIPPLES
Cue a camwhore any second now....
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Post your meal plan, height weight please
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hey cutey pie
everything looks good
would recommend a new haircut
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fuck I just lold
:D
Go4it only posts to be praised. :-\
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Why the fuck would you want to ruin your metabolism with fad restrictive diet when you are shredded as fuck year round on tons of carbs? You are lean enough, going lower with bodyfat has no purpose if you are not willing to get on stage.
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:D
Go4it only posts to be praised. :-\
He only posts in his own threads.
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When are u going to post leg shots? :D
So u lost 20 Ibs?? Are u 150Ibs??
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Getting great results with the keto diet guys!! Im a believer, its done wonders for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention, once the comp is done im full on paleo for life..I feel great, making great progress! I encourage you guys to give this diet a shot, I have no cravings, the meals im eating are enjoyable and giving me tons of energy! Make it Happen Bros!! ;D
holy fuck man, this is by far your best look man, wow, love the keto look, brings the skin back into every crevice, this is a quality physique, no homo you homo's :D
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you should try to do a clean carb up..getting in the same amount of daily cals, just switch around your macros..60% carbs, 30% protein, and 10% fat..but from clean sources.
thanks for the heads up mate.
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holy fuck man, this is by far your best look man, wow, love the keto look, brings the skin back into every crevice, this is a quality physique, no homo you homo's :D
Yeah but I rather follow noones diet 8)
Inject GH, test and maybe some deca and eat whatever and so stay in shape ;D
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Great physique, as always. Do you schedule carb-up/refeed days?
Have you noticed any drop-off in performance in the gym?
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Looking great go4it!!!!
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good stuff buddy, looking great.
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solid physique G4I
good work!
but please dont insult our intelligence and tell us your lifetime steroid free
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Post your meal plan, height weight please
I posted it on page 1. .im 5'7, current weight is 150, starting the diet I was 170.
Why the fuck would you want to ruin your metabolism with fad restrictive diet when you are shredded as fuck year round on tons of carbs? You are lean enough, going lower with bodyfat has no purpose if you are not willing to get on stage.
Ruin?? This diet has been nothing but amazing for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention. I honestly enjoy these meals that I eat..and FYI I am getting on stage in a few weeks, but thats no excuse to just explore different nutritional tactics, to see what foids work for your physique and general well being.
holy fuck man, this is by far your best look man, wow, love the keto look, brings the skin back into every crevice, this is a quality physique, no homo you homo's :D
thank you
Great physique, as always. Do you schedule carb-up/refeed days?
Have you noticed any drop-off in performance in the gym?
I have only done 1 refeed meal in 6 weeks, I had half a box of honey nut cheerios, a cup of oats, raisins, and a sliced banana, all in a bowl with almond milk..honestly I didn't even enjoy it..my prep coach told me I needed it so I did so. When I initially started the diet I felt weak and tired, my body was still adjusting, I upped my fats a bit and my body responded..thats when I started hitting my stride.
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I posted it on page 1. .im 5'7, current weight is 150, starting the diet I was 170.Ruin?? This diet has been nothing but amazing for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention. I honestly enjoy these meals that I eat..and FYI I am getting on stage in a few weeks, but thats no excuse to just explore different nutritional tactics, to see what foids work for your physique and general well being.thank youI have only done 1 refeed meal in 6 weeks, I had half a box of honey nut cheerios, a cup of oats, raisins, and a sliced banana, all in a bowl with almond milk..honestly I didn't even enjoy it..my prep coach told me I needed it so I did so. When I initially started the diet I felt weak and tired, my body was still adjusting, I upped my fats a bit and my body responded..thats when I started hitting my stride.
They have prep coaches on cruise ships?
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Looking great go4it!!!!
thanks
good stuff buddy, looking great.
thank you
solid physique G4I
good work!
but please dont insult our intelligence and tell us your lifetime steroid free
I am..you can believe what you want..im not going to beat a dead horse..but I've been training for 15 years now..
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They have prep coaches on cruise ships?
initially I emailed my coach and sent photos weekly..now ive been on vacation for the last 6 weeks. .so ive been able to eat/sleep/train and prep all my meals..part of the perks of the job..8 weeks vacation time.
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I agree I need to improve chest/delts..im doing the best I can to make improvements. .takes time broski.
You have a good chest, but you just have a huge discrepancy between lower and upper chest. I would say start ALL of your chest days with an incline exercise, then move on to flat (don't do any decline) then finish off with incline dumbbell flies.
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Go 4 It, will disappear from this thread and getbig once he is saturated with compliments.....2 months he will come back with another pic thread with a new subject to get his dosage of praise and fuck off again :D
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Go 4 It, will disappear from this thread and getbig once he is saturated with compliments.....2 months he will come back with another pic thread with a new subject to get his dosage of praise and fuck off again :D
He wont change the habit of a lifetime.
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Go 4 It, will disappear from this thread and getbig once he is saturated with compliments.....2 months he will come back with another pic thread with a new subject to get his dosage of praise and fuck off again :D
Saturated with 'manlet in makeup' insults more like.
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Getting great results with the keto diet guys!! Im a believer, its done wonders for me regarding fat loss and muscle retention, once the comp is done im full on paleo for life..I feel great, making great progress! I encourage you guys to give this diet a shot, I have no cravings, the meals im eating are enjoyable and giving me tons of energy! Make it Happen Bros!! ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=539940.0;attach=568861;image)
Great traps and shoulders and lats waist-ratio G4It!
No white vest with hand on hip though??
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Wonder how many pages this will get!!! ;D
Keto is a great diet, I agree the cravings for sweets and such disappear within a couple weeks.
I never have cravings for sweets. Steak maybe.
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thanksthank youI am..you can believe what you want..im not going to beat a dead horse..but I've been training for 15 years now..
Thanks for keeping natural training alive and relevant!!!!
Inspiring!
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How does your training (style) fare whilst keto-dieting?
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You have a good chest, but you just have a huge discrepancy between lower and upper chest. I would say start ALL of your chest days with an incline exercise, then move on to flat (don't do any decline) then finish off with incline dumbbell flies.
thanks for the tip..I'll give it a shot..usually I start with pec deck flys to warm up/stretch the chest, then flat, incline, dips, cable cross overs supersets with push ups.
Thanks for keeping natural training alive and relevant!!!!
Inspiring!
thanks man
How does your training (style) fare whilst keto-dieting?
exactly the same.. I train one body part a day, 4 exercises, 16 sets, reps between 6-12..just incorporated ab training post cardio for the comp training.
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4 exercises per bodypart 4 sets per exercise? Thats exactly what I do, 12-15 reps. Except on arm day, when I do 8 exercises and 4 sets per exercise. .. 4 bi/4tri
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You have a good chest, but you just have a huge discrepancy between lower and upper chest. I would say start ALL of your chest days with an incline exercise, then move on to flat (don't do any decline) then finish off with incline dumbbell flies.
ESFitness gave a perfect response to upper chest training in another thread.
Basically its bollocks.
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Why bison over very lean hamburger?
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Why bison over very lean hamburger?
I just shoot for different sources each meal, different nutrients, amino profiles, taste. ..bison is great tasting as well.
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I'd get some new glasses. You're looking a bit like CNN Pentagon corespondent Barbara Starr.
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/video/2007/08/17/sitroom-20070815-binladen.jpg)
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;D
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ESFitness gave a perfect response to upper chest training in another thread.
Basically its bollocks.
look at your chest full and shaped ,i'm sure you didn't daydream all day until your chest workout about how your going to do inclines first and then so on...
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Why bison over very lean hamburger?
I've been eating ground bison for several years now, and most of my main meals revolve around bison when it comes to getting into beach body shape each summer. A large homemadeTaco salad with ground bison, shredded lettuce, cheese, chopped tomato and spices is one of my favorite meals for getting ripped for summer.
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look at your chest full and shaped ,i'm sure you didn't daydream all day until your chest workout about how your going to do inclines first and then so on...
If you are going to get thick upper pecs you will get them with declines.
People dont seem top grasp how the pectoral muscle works.
I challenge anyone to fully flex your pecs and I bet nobody holds their arms out horizontally in front of them or at an incline upwards.
Everyone to a man/woman will do this
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLA7VjVXhkFtyNYWf-kyiL4i_wcaDEmrBD4e3rvpBG1XDQby9jPQ)
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If you are going to get thick upper pecs you will get them with declines.
People dont seem top grasp how the pectoral muscle works.
I challenge anyone to fully flex your pecs and I bet nobody holds their arms out horizontally in front of them or at an incline upwards.
Everyone to a man/woman will do this
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLA7VjVXhkFtyNYWf-kyiL4i_wcaDEmrBD4e3rvpBG1XDQby9jPQ)
declines for me are a shoulder wrecker,and most people due to the movement being short ranged go way too heavy...most people will say'declines are for lower pecs..'
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I do one burnout set of decline barbell at the end of my chest routine. .just 1 plate for as many reps I can get. .usually shoot for 20-25 reps.
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declines for me are a shoulder wrecker,and most people due to the movement being short ranged go way too heavy...most people will say'declines are for lower pecs..'
Stop going heavy on them, and 'most people' are wrong.
All I do for pecs are decline machine press, cable flys (standing) and a one arm standing fly with my power band.
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Here's what Arnold thinks: :D
Ever the diligent student, Arnold analyzed his idol’s chest development the way a, geneticist might examine a string of nucleotides and determined that there were three distinct features that, when viewed as a whole, accounted for Park’s pectoral prosperity.
First, the muscles themselves were just plain large: thick, wide and high.
Second, his pectoralis major (the lower portion) and pectoralis minor (the upper portion) groups were balanced with one another in a way that gave his chest a proportionate squared-off look rather than the rounded sagging appearance typical of those who focused too heavily on flat benches and not enough on inclines. Finally, supporting Park’s pecs was a voluminous rib cage, the biggest in the sport at the time.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/chest-master-how-arnold-schwarzenegger-built-the-best-chest-of-all-time.html
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ESFitness gave a perfect response to upper chest training in another thread.
Basically its bollocks.
My chest is a lot thicker than his....I'm.not sure I am ready to listen ;D
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My chest is a lot thicker than his....I'm.not sure I am ready to listen ;D
Im not his biggest fan but it was pretty damning on the whole inclines for upper pecs nonsense.
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Dude always looks great!
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Im not his biggest fan but it was pretty damning on the whole inclines for upper pecs nonsense.
Don't you just sometimes wish esfitness was a big jacked up dude, just so we can complete the picture...he takes the gear, he talks the talk then its a deflated balloon...bit like pulling a really hot girl, then you fuck with a limp semi hard cock...a tad bit iof disappointement lingers.
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Don't you just sometimes wish esfitness was a big jacked up dude, just so we can complete the picture...he takes the gear, he talks the talk then its a deflated balloon...bit like pulling a really hot girl, then you fuck with a limp semi hard cock...a tad bit iof disappointement lingers.
never happened to me mate. ;D
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150 lbs? Amazing.
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150 lbs? Amazing.
:D
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you might need to resize the jpeg to be able to read it
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This is basically the template for John Kiefers Carbnite or maybe Carb Backloading (given the option for a potato in the evening meal)
http://rippeder.com/content/what-arnold-really-ate-70s
You have probably read Arnold's books or read his article on Flex magazine but have you ever wondered is that how and what he really ate? Well back in the early 1970's Arnold Schwarzenegger trained with Ric Drasin. Ric is an accomplished artist, actor, webcast host, stuntman, writer, personal trainer, former bodybuilder and retired pro wrestler. He has a series show on youtube called Ric's Corner. Well having trained with Arnold he has some insider information on what Arnold really ate. According to Ric the diet consisted of the following:
Morning: (At Zucky's)
Cheese Omelet
Hamburger patty
Cottage cheese
Coffee
Lunch:
Beef patty
Eggs
Cottage cheese
Dinner:
Steak or Chicken
Cottage cheese
Salad or baked potato
In between Meals:
Rheo Blair's Protein
On Sunday's only:
Eat whatever you want: pizza, ice cream, and so on
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Pectoralis minor is a very small muscle that is underneath the pec major. "Targeting" it with incline bench to build a big upper chest is the worst kind of broscience nonsense.
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I train one body part a day, 4 exercises, 16 sets, reps between 6-12..just incorporated ab training post cardio for the comp training.
Great.
Good luck!
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you might need to resize the jpeg to be able to read it
Thanks for the upload.
I also recommend "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors Vol. 1". Goes into the dietary habits of the old-timers. Very interesting read.
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Dude always looks great!
thanks wes!
you might need to resize the jpeg to be able to read it
interesting. .I've never tried those liver tabs..anybody here ever experimented with this diet, supplement protocol?
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thanks wes!interesting. .I've never tried those liver tabs..anybody here ever experimented with this diet, supplement protocol?
Well considering the supplement protocol is from the 70's, I'd say you probably don't quite need some of that stuff.
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Well considering the supplement protocol is from the 70's, I'd say you probably don't quite need some of that stuff.
I agree..liver tabs stink literally..
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http://www.beverlyinternational.com/products/ultra40.html
I take these almost every day. They don't stink or smell at all.
I can't stand the taste of liver so taking a 2-3 tabs a few times a day is my alternative to eating it.
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If you are going to get thick upper pecs you will get them with declines.
bullshit!!! stop missleading
train a session inclines only and you will get a sore upper chest.
train flat and declines only and you will get a sore lower chest.
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bullshit!!! stop missleading
train a session inclines only and you will get a sore upper chest.
train flat and declines only and you will get a sore lower chest.
Somewhat incorrect.
Declines = entire sore chest in my experience. Your pecs are designed to bring your arms down and across your body. That motion activates your entire pec.
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Somewhat incorrect.
Declines = entire sore chest in my experience. Your pecs are designed to bring your arms down and across your body. That motion activates your entire pec.
agreed, the previous poster knows fuck all.
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agreed, the previous poster knows fuck all.
negative. everyone with a good chest has my opinion.
see Arnold etc.
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agreed, the previous poster knows fuck all.
is this adonis gimmicks ?
Adonis always wants to say the opposite of general consensus just to stirr shit up. and he feels "special" doing so I guess. Fuckhead...
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negative. everyone with a good chest has my opinion.
see Arnold etc.
Lol.
Little presumptive, don't you think?
Mechanics bro, look it up. Pec pulls arm down and across, which actives the entire pec. It's exactly what happens, no bro science. My chest is far more sore top to bottom with declines than it EVER was with inclines. In fact, I completely dropped inclines and only do declines as I feel it activates far more muscle fibers.
Besides, Arnold attributed his chest to flyes mostly. And I'm sure genetics and his massive ribcage has a little to do with it.
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Lol.
Little presumptive, don't you think?
Mechanics bro, look it up. Pec pulls arm down and across, which actives the entire pec. It's exactly what happens, no bro science. My chest is far more sore top to bottom with declines than it EVER was with inclines. In fact, I completely dropped inclines and only do declines as I feel it activates far more muscle fibers.
Besides, Arnold attributed his chest to flyes mostly. And I'm sure genetics and his massive ribcage has a little to do with it.
If I do a bench press flat my pecs relax when I get past midpoint, they are only under stress in the bottom of the movement.
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Lol.
Little presumptive, don't you think?
Mechanics bro, look it up. Pec pulls arm down and across, which actives the entire pec. It's exactly what happens, no bro science. My chest is far more sore top to bottom with declines than it EVER was with inclines. In fact, I completely dropped inclines and only do declines as I feel it activates far more muscle fibers.
Besides, Arnold attributed his chest to flyes mostly. And I'm sure genetics and his massive ribcage has a little to do with it.
you really are a retard. the wole spectrum of fibers over the chest is not contracted the same depending on angle
(http://0.static.wix.com/media/6ccc5db734bcc345878e2a71921ab8bd.wix_mp_1024)
http://365bodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Decline-dumbbell-flyes.jpg
http://postfiles2.naver.net/20130114_177/hose6910_1358130638439pVFRV_JPEG/Decline_press_anatomy_copy.jpg?type=w2
maybe you think shoulder presses hits the lower chest then hahaha
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/69/d2/7c69d26b65710f0bc64b06cb3f65de85.jpg
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you really are a retard. the wole spectrum of fibers over the chest is not contracted the same depending on angle
(http://0.static.wix.com/media/6ccc5db734bcc345878e2a71921ab8bd.wix_mp_1024)
http://365bodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Decline-dumbbell-flyes.jpg
http://postfiles2.naver.net/20130114_177/hose6910_1358130638439pVFRV_JPEG/Decline_press_anatomy_copy.jpg?type=w2
maybe you think shoulder presses hits the lower chest then hahaha
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/69/d2/7c69d26b65710f0bc64b06cb3f65de85.jpg
Can you point out what part of Shawns Pecs are relaxed in that picture?
(http://www.ilovebodybuilding.pl/img2/shawnray/6.jpg)
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Can you point out what part of Shawns Pecs are relaxed in that picture?
(http://www.ilovebodybuilding.pl/img2/shawnray/6.jpg)
way to simplify. you don't know human anatomy. obvious...
flexing is not the same as puting load on a muscle at an angle.
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I feel dips more than any other pec exercise. Of course, my pecs aren't exactly "world class" (despite what my wife says).
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you really are a retard. the wole spectrum of fibers over the chest is not contracted the same depending on angle
(http://0.static.wix.com/media/6ccc5db734bcc345878e2a71921ab8bd.wix_mp_1024)
http://365bodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Decline-dumbbell-flyes.jpg
http://postfiles2.naver.net/20130114_177/hose6910_1358130638439pVFRV_JPEG/Decline_press_anatomy_copy.jpg?type=w2
maybe you think shoulder presses hits the lower chest then hahaha
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/69/d2/7c69d26b65710f0bc64b06cb3f65de85.jpg
It may not load the areas of the pecs the same, but it still stands that mechanically, the pec is designed to bring the arm across and down. Thats their entire purpose, and it recruits the most fibers doing that. Which is exactly what I said the whole time.
Plud I dont think BB.com diagramds, no matter how fancy, are going to convince the scientific crowd. Lots of bro-science in all their logic.
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What I`ve noticed when it comes to chest development is that it`s not the angle of the body, i.e. decline, incline, etc, but where you lower the bar. When I want to focus on upper chest I do a regular bench press, except I lower the bar to my neck instead of my chest.
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way to simplify. you don't know human anatomy. obvious...
flexing is not the same as puting load on a muscle at an angle.
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The hands down at the waist flexes the entire pec including the upper pec.
I hope ESFitness re-posts his destruction of the incline press as an upper chest builder.
It was basically saying that for the last 30 years people have been working inclines to build the upper pecs yet there are still very few athletes with thick upper pecs.
Why not?
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The hands down at the waist flexes the entire pec including the upper pec.
I hope ESFitness re-posts his destruction of the incline press as an upper chest builder.
It was basically saying that for the last 30 years people have been working inclines to build the upper pecs yet there are still very few athletes with thick upper pecs.
Why not?
Dorian actually mentioned that, that he thinks deckines are the best for overall chest development, as it hits the most parts lf the pec thanks to body mechanics. ... BUT, towards the end of his career when he wad working on refining he focused on inclines, which I found interesting.
Dorian has a very no-nonsense, scientific approach to hos exercise choices based on body mechanics and the way each musvle was designed to function.
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The hands down at the waist flexes the entire pec including the upper pec.
I hope ESFitness re-posts his destruction of the incline press as an upper chest builder.
It was basically saying that for the last 30 years people have been working inclines to build the upper pecs yet there are still very few athletes with thick upper pecs.
Why not?
THIS ..plus front delts come into play most people who are strong at pressing and have weak pecs'size wise'have front delts to spare.upper chest and clavicle depends on ones structure wide/narrow and how chest falls in with front delts .overpowering delts will make chest appear smaller ,Arnold had full pecs and sloped shoulders chest was focal point..
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Plus the steeper the incline the more stress is taken off the pecs and placed on the front delts.
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Plus the steeper the incline the more stress is taken off the pecs and placed on the front delts.
this as well...
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Here's my case against LONG TERM Ketosis.
If your brain really preferred Ketones over Glucose, why isn't Ketosis the brain's default source of energy with Glucose serving as the backup?
The body has much more stored fat than carbs, yet the brain will first use the latter.
The reason is that Glucose is the body's preferred energy source for intense effort: sprinting, weight lifting and THINKING.
IMO, you want to eat enough carbs so that your brain and Glycogen stores are supplied, but not so much that the body will use them for basic metabolic needs and put dietary fat in storage.
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Here's my case against LONG TERM Ketosis.
If your brain really preferred Ketones over Glucose, why isn't Ketosis the brain's default source of energy with Glucose serving as the backup?
The body has much more stored fat than carbs, yet the brain will first use the latter.
The reason is that Glucose is the body's preferred energy source for intense effort: sprinting, weight lifting and THINKING.
IMO, you want to eat enough carbs so that your brain and Glycogen stores are supplied, but not so much that the body will use them for basic metabolic needs and put dietary fat in storage.
I get mean and cant think straight on low carbs.
I prefer carbs + t3. ;D
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Why the fuck would you want to ruin your metabolism with fad restrictive diet when you are shredded as fuck year round on tons of carbs? You are lean enough, going lower with bodyfat has no purpose if you are not willing to get on stage.
People have been eating this way for 200,000 years, I'm not sure it's a fad.
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People have been eating this way for 200,000 years, I'm not sure it's a fad.
i know you're full of shit cuz the bible says the earth is 3000 years old
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i know you're full of shit cuz the bible says the earth is 3000 years old
Good point :D
Adam and Steve were big on Carb loading too. ;D
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http://www.beverlyinternational.com/products/ultra40.html
I take these almost every day. They don't stink or smell at all.
I can't stand the taste of liver so taking a 2-3 tabs a few times a day is my alternative to eating it.
You must be a monster! :o
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i know you're full of shit cuz the bible says the earth is 3000 years old
6000, get it right dam it
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6 eggs and half and avacado
10 oz bison, unlimited broccoli
8 oz chicken, spinach salad, macadamia nut oil, handful almonds
8 oz grass fed ground beef, unlimited broccoli meal
post workout shake 2 scoop isopure
10 oz salmon, asparagus sprinkled in olive oil
Lets see:
[ all measurements obtained by typing "calorie in <quantity> <item>" into google ]
half an avocado: 6g
"unlimited broccoli", let's say 1 lb: 32g
"handful" almonds, lets say 50g: 11g
"spinach" salad, lets say 2 servings spinach (plus who knows what else): 2g
"unlimited broccoli", again 1lb: 32g
isopure: im going to assume 0 carb variety
asparagus (lets say 2 cups, or 270g): 10g
So 93 grams of carb (and I think this is being conservative) is "keto" ???
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Lets see:
[ all measurements obtained by typing "calorie in <quantity> <item>" into google ]
half an avocado: 6g
"unlimited broccoli", let's say 1 lb: 32g
"handful" almonds, lets say 50g: 11g
"spinach" salad, lets say 2 servings spinach (plus who knows what else): 2g
"unlimited broccoli", again 1lb: 32g
isopure: im going to assume 0 carb variety
asparagus (lets say 2 cups, or 270g): 10g
So 93 grams of carb (and I think this is being conservative) is "keto" ???
so there's this carb called fiber. it's great, how it works is it's a carb sure, but the body cannot digest it so it just passes through without getting absorbed.
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You must be a monster! :o
and there is no doubt you're a certified moron with profound self esteem issues
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bullshit!!! stop missleading
train a session inclines only and you will get a sore upper chest.
train flat and declines only and you will get a sore lower chest.
Lets see your tits then, "coach".
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I prefer carbs + t3. ;D
Please show the world where this carbs + t3 has brought you.
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It would be interesting to see how many instances of "passenger overboard, body never recovered" have occurred on these cruise ships that Go4it works on. I get a weird serial killer vibe from him/his posts.
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It would be interesting to see how many instances of "passenger overboard, body never recovered" have occurred on these cruise ships that Go4it works on. I get a weird serial killer vibe from him/his posts.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rbtuUmohVJ4/UjOd-WUI9QI/AAAAAAAABOM/w-F9XhWivs4/s1600/627.jpg)
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So how, and how often do you carb up Go 4 It?
Do you need to carb up just cause your muscles are flat? That doesn't actually mean you're losing muscle does it?
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Please show the world where this carbs + t3 has brought you.
Well, its brought me from 320lbs @ 40%+ to 237 lbs @ 14ish%, so id assume you could have figured out that carbs+t3 has gotten me from being extremely obese, to just kinda fat.
Im going to go ahead and assume you're new here and havent seen any of the other posts in the last half decade where I have explained my journey from obese child to semi-fitness, back to obesity from health issues and back to semi-fitness, now on my way to actually being in some semblance of real shape for the 1st time in my life.
/pointless getbig life story
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Well, its brought me from 320lbs @ 40%+ to 237 lbs @ 14ish%, so id assume you could have figured out that carbs+t3 has gotten me from being extremely obese, to just kinda fat.
Im going to go ahead and assume you're new here and havent seen any of the other posts in the last half decade where I have explained my journey from obese child to semi-fitness, back to obesity from health issues and back to semi-fitness, now on my way to actually being in some semblance of real shape for the 1st time in my life.
/pointless getbig life story
props dude. keep grinding.
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It may not load the areas of the pecs the same, but it still stands that mechanically, the pec is designed to bring the arm across and down. Thats their entire purpose, and it recruits the most fibers doing that. Which is exactly what I said the whole time.
Plud I dont think BB.com diagramds, no matter how fancy, are going to convince the scientific crowd. Lots of bro-science in all their logic.
Well studies have been done that prove putting a bench on a slight incline 10 - 30 degrees does activate the fibres in the upper chest more than flat or decline.
Incline is superior to standard flat or decline pressing for this purpose and this is backed by exercise physiology testings .
To get the most activation of the fibers in this area then flat pressing or even inclining with a reverse grip is the best pressing motion to use, again backed by studies.
A slight incline is superior for full pec development as the body naturally drops shoulders back and arches the pecs upwards and this lends to activating the upper section more,
giving the so called perfect set up for benching for full pec development.
People that are genetically blessed for flat benching just fall into this position on the flat , chest high, shoulders back and down and shoulder blades pinched together , these people
have the perfect structure for benching and can develop full thick pecs from top to bottom with flat benching alone - think nubret and columbo as prime examples.
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Well studies have been done that prove putting a bench on a slight incline 10 - 30 degrees does activate the fibres in the upper chest more than flat or decline.
Incline is superior to standard flat or decline pressing for this purpose and this is backed by exercise physiology testings .
To get the most activation of the fibers in this area then flat pressing or even inclining with a reverse grip is the best pressing motion to use, again backed by studies.
A slight incline is superior for full pec development as the body naturally drops shoulders back and arches the pecs upwards and this lends to activating the upper section more,
giving the so called perfect set up for benching for full pec development.
People that are genetically blessed for flat benching just fall into this position on the flat , chest high, shoulders back and down and shoulder blades pinched together , these people
have the perfect structure for benching and can develop full thick pecs from top to bottom with flat benching alone - think nubret and columbo as prime examples.
So why after the last 30 years of incline pressing do we not see every top cometitor with full upper chests?
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The hands down at the waist flexes the entire pec including the upper pec.
I hope ESFitness re-posts his destruction of the incline press as an upper chest builder.
It was basically saying that for the last 30 years people have been working inclines to build the upper pecs yet there are still very few athletes with thick upper pecs.
Why not?
As I pointed out to him , the fibers in the area of the upper section are far and few between compared with the lower to outer sections - you will never see thick upper pecs
that compare to lower and outer for this very reason , the meat of the pec are in the mid/lower to outer areas - unless it's on a genetic freak like Arnold.
The upper section is thin on fibers ( for the average trainer)and that is why it's harder to develop and bring up.
All chest exercises work the whole pectoral structure , "but" you can put more stress on certain areas of the muscle by doing certain exercises , in this case inclined work.
If you use a reverse grip on bent rows (using correct form mind) then the whole of the lat contracts (along with other back muscles) but more stress is directed toward the lower
areas/fibers , the same apply's for all muscle groups .
There's no "bro science" in any of this it's fact.
:)
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So why after the last 30 years of incline pressing do we not see every top cometitor with full upper chests?
See above ;D
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As I pointed out to him , the fibers in the area of the upper section are far and few between compared with the lower to outer sections - you will never see thick upper pecs
compared to lower and outer for this very reason , the meat of the pec are in the mid/lower to outer areas - unless it's on a genetic freak like Arnold.
The upper section is thin on fibers ( for the average trainer)and that is why it's harder to develop and bring up.
All chest exercises work the whole pectoral structure , "but" you can put more stress on certain areas of the muscle by doing certain exercises , in this case inclined work.
If you use a reverse grip on bent rows (using correct form mind) then the whole of the lat contracts (along with other back muscles) but more stress is directed toward the lower
areas/fibers , the same apply's for all muscle groups .
There's no "bro science" in any of this it's fact.
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So a thick upper chest is down to genetics.
Gotcha.
If you have the fibres there they will be stimulated by any exercise, inclines wont make them any bigger, no evidence at all for that.
Also, if its "fact" why doesnt everyone who does inclines have thick upper pecs.
I dont care what all the studies say, look around, the evidence contrary to the studies is staring you in the face.
For the record if I do inclines all I get is a pump in my delts and arms, zippo in the chest.
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So a thick upper chest is down to genetics.
Gotcha.
If you have the fibres there they will be stimulated by any exercise, inclines wont make them any bigger, no evidence at all for that.
Genetics is key in anything - but no that's not what I said , there are studies that show inclines work the area harder - how thick and developed
will be determined by genetics, but it would be foolish not to try and develop the area to the best you can using the tools (inclines or reverse bench) that have been shown
in countless studies to work this section of the muscle and put more of the load and emphasis on this area.
You disagree and have found something that works for you - that's fine. :)
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Lets talk about Ketogenic dieting you fucking buzzards... No one gives a shit about upper chest development. >:( >:( ;D
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Genetics is key in anything - but no that's not what I said , there are studies that show inclines work the area harder - how thick and developed
will be determined by genetics, but it would be foolish not to try and develop the area to the best you can using the tools (inclines or reverse bench) that have been shown
in countless studies to work this section of the muscle and put more of the load and emphasis on this area.
You disagree and have found something that works for you - that's fine. :)
Stop quoting studies and look at the evidence.
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I dont care what all the studies say, look around, the evidence contrary to the studies is staring you in the face.
For the record if I do inclines all I get is a pump in my delts and arms, zippo in the chest.
Check your form then ;)
If you are not setting yourself up right then of course you wont feel it in the area .Stop quoting studies and look at the evidence.
I'd say most peoples form is the issue.. Studies just back up what is being said that incline work does work the upper sections.
If you can't feel inclines in the upper area it could be a number of things , form being one ?
You say look around the evidence is contrary - well look to the guys with developed chests top to bottom , what do they do ? they have inclines in there chest routines.
of course genetics is the be end of all, but if they hadn't of spent time focusing on the upper areas (with inclines) they certainly would not have developed like they did
this is fact and studies just enforce it.
The upper area is hard to develop on most people EG: the majority - but that is certainly not "evidence" as you say and is no case to say inclines don't develop this area.
I think "evidence" is a poor word to use as there is zilch it's just a hard area to develop for most
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Lets talk about Ketogenic dieting you fucking buzzards... No one gives a shit about upper chest development. >:( >:( ;D
Since the brain's preferred source of energy is glucose, in Ketosis, the body produces glucose from alternative sources: gluconeogenesis, mainly from Protein.
So, if you're in Ketosis, you want to up your Protein intake to account for the loss.
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Lets talk about Ketogenic dieting you fucking buzzards... No one gives a shit about upper chest development. >:( >:( ;D
Sorry Mum ;D
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Please show the world where this carbs + t3 has brought you.
Complex Crabs is an evidential poster...and rightly so
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Well, its brought me from 320lbs @ 40%+ to 237 lbs @ 14ish%, so id assume you could have figured out that carbs+t3 has gotten me from being extremely obese, to just kinda fat.
Im going to go ahead and assume you're new here and havent seen any of the other posts in the last half decade where I have explained my journey from obese child to semi-fitness, back to obesity from health issues and back to semi-fitness, now on my way to actually being in some semblance of real shape for the 1st time in my life.
/pointless getbig life story
keeop fighting the fight bro 8)
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So how, and how often do you carb up Go 4 It?
Do you need to carb up just cause your muscles are flat? That doesn't actually mean you're losing muscle does it?
I've carbed up 3 times in 10 weeks of prep thus far..sure I had more fullness the next two days or so, but I've found with more red meat/bison it keeps me looking fuller and gives me more energy, also the addition of a creatine supplement works great with this keto diet.
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Sorry Mum ;D
lol
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I've carbed up 3 times in 10 weeks of prep thus far..sure I had more fullness the next two days or so, but I've found with more red meat/bison it keeps me looking fuller and gives me more energy, also the addition of a creatine supplement works great with this keto diet.
Very cool, thanks!
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Very cool, thanks!
no problem..you gotta experiment to find what works for you, with Palumbos diet he incorporates nuts/shakes/lean protein meal..I found this route doesn't really work for me...I needed fatter meats for meals..once I found the formula my body responded.
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I've carbed up 3 times in 10 weeks of prep thus far..sure I had more fullness the next two days or so, but I've found with more red meat/bison it keeps me looking fuller and gives me more energy, also the addition of a creatine supplement works great with this keto diet.
GOOD JOB DUDE,,I like using fish too as good protein source as well.food and lack thereof 'carb wise'is what dials u in.
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GOOD JOB DUDE,,I like using fish too as good protein source as well.food and lack thereof 'carb wise'is what dials u in.
yes the fatty fishes..salmon/swordfish/sardines..very satisfying to eat.
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So a thick upper chest is down to genetics.
Gotcha.
If you have the fibres there they will be stimulated by any exercise, inclines wont make them any bigger, no evidence at all for that.
Also, if its "fact" why doesnt everyone who does inclines have thick upper pecs.
I dont care what all the studies say, look around, the evidence contrary to the studies is staring you in the face.
For the record if I do inclines all I get is a pump in my delts and arms, zippo in the chest.
I wrote about this a few years back. One time, instead of having the typical highish incline that we normally see, I put the incline on my bench to the 2nd notch. It only has two incline notches. I noticed right away that I was getting a pump in the upper chest/mid. Before it was just a slight upper and front delt pump.
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no problem..you gotta experiment to find what works for you, with Palumbos diet he incorporates nuts/shakes/lean protein meal..I found this route doesn't really work for me...I needed fatter meats for meals..once I found the formula my body responded.
I started on Sunday when I saw this thread. I've done keto before and love it. I'm down 8 pounds to like 178 in seven days (mostly water I guess).
You're right about finding what works for you. I've noticed that when I start to lose it something like Bacon or Pork Sausage gets me right back on track.
I had a bunch of Salmon Sashimi yesterday with Advocado, too good. You can just tell this is the way humans were meant to eat. It's not a "diet" at all.
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I'm glad you've found something that works for you, but no carbs is just not for me. The 1 contest I did keto for, I looked extremely flat and was very irritable. Carbs keep me happy and full.
U LOOK VERY FULL IN YOUR AVATAR'NICE ASS'NO HOMO...
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U LOOK VERY FULL IN YOUR AVATAR'NICE ASS'NO HOMO...
Big dude, I opened his pic in a new window to get a better look.
Lol at the "images you'll also enjoy" at the bottom.
(http://s28.postimg.org/hgtjzucv1/Screen_Shot_2014_07_03_at_20_03_35.png)
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Big dude, I opened his pic in a new window to get a better look.
Lol at the "images you'll also enjoy" at the bottom.
(http://s28.postimg.org/hgtjzucv1/Screen_Shot_2014_07_03_at_20_03_35.png)
IMPRESSIVE BACK/REAR DELTS ON THIS ONE,,GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER WELL BUILT /MAYBE SHARE SOME STUFF HERE TYPE..
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IMPRESSIVE BACK/REAR DELTS ON THIS ONE,,GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER WELL BUILT /MAYBE SHARE SOME STUFF HERE TYPE..
Sev in 3,2.1 telling him he wouldnt be able to lace his trainers if they stood side by side if he was in the same shape, condition and had the same amount of muscle.
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Thats a fine cock.
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Sev in 3,2.1 telling him he wouldnt be able to lace his trainers if they stood side by side if he was in the same shape, condition and had the same amount of muscle.
you can tell he either lifts or lifted heavy 'amongst other things'to get that look,thick size.he doesn't lift pink dbells for 50....
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Lol I swear that cocks not mine ;D
I can vouch for this.
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What's up with these fuckers on bb.com saying things like Berries and tomatoes are okay on keto?
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Lol I swear that cocks not mine ;D
I can vouch for this.
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Big dude, I opened his pic in a new window to get a better look.
Lol at the "images you'll also enjoy" at the bottom.
(http://s28.postimg.org/hgtjzucv1/Screen_Shot_2014_07_03_at_20_03_35.png)
;D
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How long does it take after re-carbing for your muscles to get full again? ???