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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
religion doesn't = blind faith?
because of religion you weren't aborted and now look at what we all have to deal with.
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
You are an idiot. Atheism is not believing in nonsense, such as religion. It is not a system of blind faith, that is religion. Atheism is based on doubt, and proof of assertions by means of demonstrable scientific evidence. In other words to be able to use one's brain, and not believe in fairy tales.
If there is a god, then prove it. Trot out the old geezer and let us get a look at him. Why not? He is supposed to be able to do anything, knows all, sees all, so let him come out of hiding and prove he exists. What is he afraid of? Is he ugly?
Religious people are idiots, who worship a cowardly god, who is afraid to face me, because he knows that I am his superior. You should be worshiping me.
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Even if you don't agree with him (and I didn't always), I would never have called Hitchens a moron.
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10 page thread of the same old arguments
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10 page thread of the same old arguments
Actually, my post was a rather new take on the argument, and creative too!
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Actually, my post was a rather new take on the argument, and creative too!
No, no, it wasn't. Getbiggers have been arguing about religion for at least 8+ years.
Similar, and more enlightened arguments have been put forth by "avxo," "synatxmachine," "sync pulse" and "Kahn M. Sing."
Nothing new here.
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10 page thread of the same old arguments
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No, no, it wasn't. Getbiggers have been arguing about religion for at least 8+ years.
Similar, and more enlightened arguments have been put forth by "avxo," "synatxmachine," "sync pulse" and "Kahn M. Sing."
Nothing new here.
Did they all point out that they are superior to your non-existant god, too? Then I'm in good company.
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Did they all point out that they are superior to your non-existant god, too? Then I'm in good company.
Yes.
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all these anti atheist threads are stupid and most of the attacks by religious people are stupid and i'd rather live in a world full of atheists rather the religious people.
but atheists are short sighted.
when atheists say they don't believe god what they really mean is they don't believe in any god presented by anyone. but they forget or don't realize that.
that is vastly different than concluding there is no god.
they point to someone's idea of god and say prove it to me? and when that person can't, they conclude and take as evidence that there is no god.
that person being wrong about creation does not mean there is no explanation of creation, which then hence, can be referred to as god.
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all these anti atheist threads are stupid and most of the attacks by religious people are stupid and i'd rather live in a world full of atheists rather the religious people.
but atheists are short sighted.
when atheists say they don't believe god what they really mean is they don't believe in any god presented by anyone. but they forget or don't realize that.
that is vastly different than concluding there is no god.
they point to someone's idea of god and say prove it to me? and when that person can't, they conclude and take as evidence that there is no god.
that person being wrong about creation does not mean there is no explanation of creation, which then hence, can be referred to as god.
No. Atheists really don't believe in any kind of god at all.
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Retardario showing his stupidity once again.
He will be back as soon as he can find some cut and paste hack job to post and butcher here.
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No. Atheists really don't believe in any kind of god at all.
you don't understand what i wrote.
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you don't understand what i wrote
So write something that makes sense then.
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Being an atheist is a religion, it's not the truth. The Bible is the truth.
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Retardario showing his stupidity once again.
He will be back as soon as he can find some cut and paste hack job to post and butcher here.
hitch has only been a dead 2 or 3 years now. maybe it took a little time for the news to reach him.
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So write something that makes sense then.
bright answer.
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bright answer.
Yes, it was.
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hitch has only been a dead 2 or 3 years now. maybe it took a little time for the news to reach him.
This is Retardario we are talking about. He probably won't even show up on the thread again.
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I dont put much credibility into any of the major religions, but at the same time i dont really see how anyone can be an athiest either...how can you just think everything is nothing and nothing has any meaning or purpose??
there must be SOME KIND of higher power. i just dont pretend to have any comprehension of what that is, much less what it wants or that it has passed down all its guidelines in some little 'book'
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I dont put much credibility into any of the major religions, but at the same time i dont really see how anyone can be an athiest either...how can you just think everything is nothing and nothing has any meaning or purpose??
there must be SOME KIND of higher power. i just dont pretend to have any comprehension of what that is, much less what it wants or that it has passed down all its guidelines in some little 'book'
To assume something is true, without any proof, is stupid.
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20 pages by tomorrow.
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To assume something is true, without any proof, is stupid.
think about that.
yeah i know you did, right?
you are out of your league.
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think about that.
yeah i know you did, right?
you are out of your league.
As I told you before, post something that makes sense.
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As I told you before, post something that makes sense.
come back in 20 years and you'll find i did.
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Religious people are idiots, who worship a cowardly god, who is afraid to face me, because he knows that I am his superior. You should be worshiping me.
In which way are you superior? If you're very lucky you'll live on the planet for what 100 years? And the planet is 4.5 billion years old. But you have it all figured out don't you. lol!
Here's a hint - you're insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We all are.
You are way too self important and egotistic. You need to learn that you really are nothing but a speck of dust.
You know even scientists agree that laws in the Universe required extreme tweaking / precision to allow for life to develop. Using super computers they can simulate the development of the Universe. If they plug in different values for the forces then galaxies and solar systems don't develop. Some intelligence outside of the Universe predetermined these laws of nature. Maybe if there were trillions of universes then yes 1 could have the right values for life as we know it to develop. Seem to me the odds are better if you bet on a Creator than Chance.
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In which way are you superior? If you're very lucky you'll live on the planet for what 100 years? And the planet is 4.5 billion years old. But you have it all figured out don't you. lol!
Here's a hint - you're insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We all are.
You are way too self important and egotistic. You need to learn that you really are nothing but a speck of dust.
You know even scientists agree that laws in the Universe required extreme tweaking / precision to allow for life to develop. Using super computers they can simulate the development of the Universe. If they plug in different values for the forces then galaxies and solar systems don't develop. Some intelligence outside of the Universe predetermined these laws of nature. Maybe if there were trillions of universes then yes 1 could have the right values for life as we know it to develop. Seem to me the odds are better if you bet on a Creator than Chance.
I am superior to your non-existant god, because I do exist in this Universe. Your god is just a figment of your dull imagination. Scientists do not agree that there is a god, not at all. Not unless you believe that creationism and intelligent design are "sciences," and of course they aren't.
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I am superior to your non-existant god, because I do exist in this Universe. Your god is just a figment of your dull imagination. Scientists do not agree that there is a god, not at all. Not unless you believe that creationism and intelligent design are "sciences," and of course they aren't.
you're an imbecile.
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
I wish I could adequately put into words how strange/funny it seems to normal folk to think that some people actually believe in gods and ghosts and goblins and stuff. There is no shame in this, but conversely there is no shame in being anchored in reality.
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come back in 20 years and you'll find i did.
In 20 years, you may have been able to have accomplished that, one time.
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I dont put much credibility into any of the major religions, but at the same time i dont really see how anyone can be an athiest either...how can you just think everything is nothing and nothing has any meaning or purpose??
there must be SOME KIND of higher power. i just dont pretend to have any comprehension of what that is, much less what it wants or that it has passed down all its guidelines in some little 'book'
How can I think everything is nothing and nothing has any meaning there must be some kind of higher power. - Why? Why MUST there be some kind of higher power? Why MUST everything have a purpose?
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you're an imbecile.
Your self chosen handle is both honest, and accurate.
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In which way are you superior? If you're very lucky you'll live on the planet for what 100 years? And the planet is 4.5 billion years old. But you have it all figured out don't you. lol!
Here's a hint - you're insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We all are.
You are way too self important and egotistic. You need to learn that you really are nothing but a speck of dust.
You know even scientists agree that laws in the Universe required extreme tweaking / precision to allow for life to develop. Using super computers they can simulate the development of the Universe. If they plug in different values for the forces then galaxies and solar systems don't develop. Some intelligence outside of the Universe predetermined these laws of nature. Maybe if there were trillions of universes then yes 1 could have the right values for life as we know it to develop. Seem to me the odds are better if you bet on a Creator than Chance.
excellent post.
the irony is that the idea that every single thing in existence was 'suddenly created spontaneously out of nothing for no reason whatsoever' is basically no less absurd-sounding as the idea of a power beyond our understanding creating everything.
neither concept can be 'proven' and both are , honesly, beyond human comprehension anyway.
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all these anti atheist threads are stupid and most of the attacks by religious people are stupid and i'd rather live in a world full of atheists rather the religious people.
but atheists are short sighted.
when atheists say they don't believe god what they really mean is they don't believe in any god presented by anyone. but they forget or don't realize that.
that is vastly different than concluding there is no god.
they point to someone's idea of god and say prove it to me? and when that person can't, they conclude and take as evidence that there is no god.
that person being wrong about creation does not mean there is no explanation of creation, which then hence, can be referred to as god.
Bro you just outed yourself as clueless and uneducated.
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The fact that life has no meaning is a reason to live, the only one.
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no meaning therefore becomes a meaning, unless you are abiding in the unconditioned being the mind will always create its own meaning.
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no meaning therefore becomes a meaning, unless you are abiding in the unconditioned being the mind will always create its own meaning.
Deeeeeeeeep...No. Really.
As for Hitchins, he was free to believe what he wanted to believe. His death is meaningless to me. He never harmed me. He could be an asshole, but then who among us has not done as much or more to others?
Let he who is without a brain cast the first monkey turd. Wait! That may well be what the above quoted post is.
I need to abide in the unconditioned being lest I create something so meaningless as to be more monkee poo. Whatever. I'm just not up to being deep today. There's always a good reason and then there's the real reason. Usually men are in it for money and power over others.
Deep indeed. Nah. That's just how shallow we truly are.
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Bro you just outed yourself as clueless and uneducated.
coming from you, i must be doing alright.
reading wikipedia and watching youtube is not a substitute for a brain.
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another one of these threads......goodie
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Why do people want to believe in a god that created them and the universe?
What's the point in believing this?
Scared of the dark?
We will find out the truth when we die.
Buy ok, islam, christianity, buddhism, scientology, etc is the truth and you must follow without question. ::)
No one knows the truth of anything until they die and as I have often said, the dead aren't talking.
Now then.
Islam sucks.
Christianity, real Christianity is good and would be my choice as the Christ is who I would follow.
Buddhism, real Buddhism is good.
Scientology sucks.
And I question my faith all the time. I also question the outright idiocy of some here. As for being "afraid of the dark". Go swimming at night off the Great Barrier Reef and when something unknown bumps your legs get back to me, Bravefart. I would bet the surrounding waters would be very warm due to your pissing yourself. And who would not?
We all fear the unknown. Except of course in online forums...Nubainian please.
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Christianity, real Christianity is good and would be my choice as the Christ is who I would follow.
Why would you follow christ? He's a fictional character. He's actually a metaphor for the Magic Mushroom, Amanita Muscaria.
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No one knows the truth of anything until they die and as I have often said, the dead aren't talking.
Now then.
Islam sucks.
Christianity, real Christianity is good and would be my choice as the Christ is who I would follow.
Buddhism, real Buddhism is good.
Scientology sucks.
And I question my faith all the time. I also question the outright idiocy of some here. As for being "afraid of the dark". Go swimming at night off the Great Barrier Reef and when something unknown bumps your legs get back to me, Bravefart. I would bet the surrounding waters would be very warm due to your pissing yourself. And who would not?
We all fear the unknown. Except of course in online forums...Nubainian please.
If I was going to follow any teaching, it is hands down Buddhism!
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If I was going to follow any teaching, it is hands down Buddhism!
A good choice, sir.
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A good choice, sir.
Agreed. And as you said, real Buddhism.
There is a buddhist temple not too far from my house. always wanted to stop in.
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Agreed. And as you said, real Buddhism.
There is a buddhist temple not too far from my house. always wanted to stop in.
By all means, do so! Make a promise to yourself to do just that and then keep it, my friend. If you search in earnest for wisdom you will find it in the least expected place and that being within.
You shall be at the very center of my prayers this night. I hope that you do visit and that you find that which you seek but also what you need.
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Agreed. And as you said, real Buddhism.
There is a buddhist temple not too far from my house. always wanted to stop in.
Do it some day. I visited one near me as part of a high school class then went back again to show some friends. They are very nice and always offer some snacks and a drink. 8)
I think they understand the importance of not going catabolic.
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Being an atheist is a religion, it's not the truth. The Bible is the truth.
Whitewashed.
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By all means, do so! Make a promise to yourself to do just that and then keep it, my friend. If you search in earnest for wisdom you will find it in the least expected place and that being within.
You shall be at the very center of my prayers this night. I hope that you do visit and that you find that which you seek but also what you need.
the word "shall" makes all the difference.
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Whitewashed.
After the Roman Catholic Church, 100% Correct. Before that it was us Hebrew. That Bible is ours. Do research if you're interested.
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"Atheism=stupidity" ::)
A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.
http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract (http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract)
Religious belief is associated with less knowledge as well as lower intelligence.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion)
Religious belief declines with educational attainment, particularly with scientific education. Studies also show that religious belief declines among those with higher IQs. Hawking, Dennett and Dawkins are not outliers, and neither is Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/ (http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/)
Atheists 'have higher IQs': Their intelligence 'makes them more likely to dismiss religion as irrational and unscientific'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html)
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.png)
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ (http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/)
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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.
People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.
We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.
Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?
According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.
If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up
stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euhemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If
Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem
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Even if you don't agree with him (and I didn't always), I would never have called Hitchens a moron.
But you have to admit, heavy drinking and smoking like he did for so long wasn't very bright...
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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over
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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over
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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.
People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.
We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.
Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?
According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.
If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up
stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euphemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If
Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem
I have only read your words here and still I think that you exist. I have seen a photograph of you but never met you and still I believe that you exist. I have seen a picture of a man sitting in a ridiculous looking chair/bicep machine and even upon reflecting on how utterly unnecessary that thing is, I still think you exist.
It does not require a blind faith to accept what one thinks to be true is in fact, true. Just faith and the hope of a promise yet to be fulfilled.
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"Atheism=stupidity" ::)
http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract (http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion)
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/ (http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html)
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.png)
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ (http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/)
This isn't a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of spirituality, that of which these people don't have. They're not going to think their way out of this or disprove God. People have been trying to do this for a long time and no one has come close and never will. They can take their calcified pineal glands, theories with no proof and arguments void of any evidence and go to hell and they're well on their way.
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This isn't a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of spirituality, that of which these people don't have. They're not going to think their way out of this or disprove God. People have been trying to do this for a long time and no one has come close and never will. They can take their calcified pineal glands, theories with no proof and arguments void of any evidence and go to hell and they're well on their way.
Nor can you (or anyone else) "prove" God. No one has come close and never will.
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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over
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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over
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Youz a gingus. Which is like a genius but much, much, smarter! ;D
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If you don't believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in hell .
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If you don't believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in hell .
If you believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in an imaginary hell .
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If you believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in an imaginary hell .
Sleep is death without the responsibility.
Be well.
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Sleep is death without the responsibility.
Be well.
"I love sleep because it is both pleasant and safe to use. Pleasant because one is in the best possible company and safe because sleep is the consummate protection against the unseemliness that is the invariable consequence of being awake. What you don't know won't hurt you."
Stay thirsty for knowledge, my friend.
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Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.
if your "whole" concept of religion is limited to the 3 major ones.
the concept is actually much larger than jesus.
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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.
People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.
We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.
Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?
According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.
If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up
stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euphemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If
Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem
Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?
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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?
Like what? The Shroud of Turin has been debunked. What other "evidence" is there?
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-10-06-shroud-turin_N.htm (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-10-06-shroud-turin_N.htm)
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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?
but ron you have to be fair......forgetting Carrier.......... jesus actually existing and him raising people from the dead as well as he himself is two very different things.
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Nor can you (or anyone else) "prove" God. No one has come close and never will.
When the scientists speak, you should listen.
"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."
Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.
"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."
Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.
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When the scientists speak, you should listen.
"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."
Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.
"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."
von Braun was a brilliant scientist, and yes he did believe in God. However, for this one scientist that was a believer there are far more scientists that are not.
Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.
Oh, brother. Tipler was a known nutcase. From his book The Physics of Christianity:
I am proposing that the Son and Father Singularities guided the worlds of the multiverse to concentrate the energy of the particles constituting Jesus in our universe into the Jesus of our universe. In effect, Jesus’ dead body, lying in the tomb, would have been enveloped in a sphaleron field. This field would have dematerialized Jesus’ body into neutrinos and antineutrinos in a fraction of a second, after which the energy transferred to this world would have been transferred back to the other worlds from whence it came. Reversing this process (by having neutrinos and antineutrinos—almost certainly not the original neutrinos and antineutrinos dematerialized from Jesus’ body—materialize into another body) would generate Jesus’ Resurrection body.
As for von Braun, he was a brilliant scientist that believed in God (although as a young man he did not; in fact, his friends nicknamed him the "merry heathen"). However, there are many other equally brilliant scientists that do not believe in God.
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When the scientists speak, you should listen.
"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."
Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.
"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."
Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.
i don't know about your certainty about Christianity, but i am right with you for the most part. purely based on my own observations, contemplation and a layman's understanding of science.
i often think about isaac newton talking about walking along the shore, looking down at the shells and pebbles and every now and again coming upon an interesting one and bending over to inspect it, all the while a great ocean of undiscovered truth lay before him.
that is what i believe in, that great ocean of undiscovered truth. because it is there, it really is there. it is true, whatever it is, it is real and fact and truth and it defines reality. it's no lie.
we know how little we know and how much more there is to know.
to come to conclusions at this stage of our existence is to ensure that conclusion is wrong or woefully incomplete.
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No one here is a physicist so how would any of you know what you are talking about?
I prefer Carrier to the Bible and other made up stories. Good riddance to all religions.
Eventually, the true story will be known and religions will be seen as historical curiosities.
The trouble is that most humans would rather die than abandon their cherished beliefs.
That is very sad. So are all the believers who cry at funerals.
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coming from you, i must be doing alright.
reading wikipedia and watching youtube is not a substitute for a brain.
No really, clueless, as in doesn't even understand the meaning of a word, yet is moronic enough to proceed to expand upon it's meaning in a public forum. Actually, ignorant may be a better term for you.
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A good choice, sir.
Nirvana and the Kingdom of God are the same thing.
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This isn't a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of spirituality, that of which these people don't have. They're not going to think their way out of this or disprove God. People have been trying to do this for a long time and no one has come close and never will. They can take their calcified pineal glands, theories with no proof and arguments void of any evidence and go to hell and they're well on their way.
You can nurse their pineals back to good working order. Funny, theories with no proof and arguments void of evidence.....sounds familiar.
I'm more in the Falcon camp: it's an kind of energy. None of this religious bullshit though. Believing some crap a bunch of hebrews said 2000 years ago is just plain stupid.
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No really, clueless, as in doesn't even understand the meaning of a word, yet is moronic enough to proceed to expand upon it's meaning in a public forum. Actually, ignorant may be a better term for you.
i'd insult you but life has already done it for me.
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Nirvana and the Kingdom of God are the same thing.
Out of sheer curiousity, Nirvana is the same as the kingdom of which god(s)?
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i'd insult you but life has already done it for me.
when you have nowhere else to go.... resort to personal insults.
I rest my case KnuckleHead.
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No one here is a physicist so how would any of you know what you are talking about?
So are all the believers who cry at funerals.
I was interested in this comment.
Would you expand this?
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Out of sheer curiousity, Nirvana is the same as the kingdom of which god(s)?
lol The God, there's only one in Reality and he is inseparable from who we are ;)
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I was interested in this comment.
Would you expand this?
why would religious people cry at funerals if they really believed their loved one was in a better place.
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why would religious people cry at funerals if they really believed their loved one was in a better place.
X2. I always say this. This is proof that they don't truly believe in God and heaven. :-\
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Why does a guy who gets dumped by a girl feel terrible, if there are many other single women available?
It's just a natural human reaction to feel grief at a loss.
sure.
i was just explaining to the meathead what the other meathead meant.
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the true story is we are animals and only the strongest survive. We will adapt until we cant anymore and will disapear just like any other animal or vegetal specie .Til then, we ll fight each others to death for limited ressources. That's "life"'. The weakest disapear faster than the more adapted, strongest. But make no mistake in the end we will ALL disapear. Life is a cruel game.
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No one here is a physicist so how would any of you know what you are talking about?
I prefer Carrier to the Bible and other made up stories. Good riddance to all religions.
Eventually, the true story will be known and religions will be seen as historical curiosities.
The trouble is that most humans would rather die than abandon their cherished beliefs.
That is very sad. So are all the believers who cry at funerals.
Today's Creation Moment
James Clerk Maxwell
1 Corinthians 2:5
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” Albert Einstein said that James Clerk Maxwell made greater contributions to physics than anyone except Isaac Newton.
Maxwell developed complex theoretical and mathematical explanations for all the forces in the universe except gravity and nuclear forces. He also made scientific contributions in the fields of thermodynamics and mathematics. In other words, Maxwell was a scientist of gigantic proportions who remains greatly respected today.
By today’s standards, Maxwell would be called a “fundamentalist.” Maxwell lived at the same time as Charles Darwin and was very aware of evolutionary theory. He felt strongly that evolution was anti scientific and wrote a powerful and important refutation of evolutionary writings. He also offered a very careful mathematical refutation of the theory that the solar system had evolved from a cloud of dust and gas.
The great scientist Maxwell believed that Jesus Christ is the Savior that God has provided to deliver humanity from the results of sin – including eternal death. A writing of his, found after his death, states that the motivation for his work was that God had created all things just as Genesis says. And since God has created humans in His image, scientific study is a fit activity for one’s lifework.
Prayer:
Heavenly Father, I pray today for the work of those in science who are convinced that You are indeed the Creator as described in Genesis. Though they are opposed by men, bless their work and move more of our Christian young people to follow in their footsteps. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
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Today's Creation Moment
James Clerk Maxwell
1 Corinthians 2:5
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” Albert Einstein said that James Clerk Maxwell made greater contributions to physics than anyone except Isaac Newton.
Maxwell developed complex theoretical and mathematical explanations for all the forces in the universe except gravity and nuclear forces. He also made scientific contributions in the fields of thermodynamics and mathematics. In other words, Maxwell was a scientist of gigantic proportions who remains greatly respected today.
By today’s standards, Maxwell would be called a “fundamentalist.” Maxwell lived at the same time as Charles Darwin and was very aware of evolutionary theory. He felt strongly that evolution was anti scientific and wrote a powerful and important refutation of evolutionary writings. He also offered a very careful mathematical refutation of the theory that the solar system had evolved from a cloud of dust and gas.
The great scientist Maxwell believed that Jesus Christ is the Savior that God has provided to deliver humanity from the results of sin – including eternal death. A writing of his, found after his death, states that the motivation for his work was that God had created all things just as Genesis says. And since God has created humans in His image, scientific study is a fit activity for one’s lifework.
Prayer:
Heavenly Father, I pray today for the work of those in science who are convinced that You are indeed the Creator as described in Genesis. Though they are opposed by men, bless their work and move more of our Christian young people to follow in their footsteps. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
yeah well when his writings can explain how a human can be dead one minute and undead the next, then you have something.
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Some of you are incapable of knowing the truth. Shake your head and try to learn something new.
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Some of you are incapable of knowing the truth. Shake your head and try to learn something new.
another yokel with a degree in youtube.
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Some of you are incapable of knowing the truth. Shake your head and try to learn something new.
Today's Creation Moment
Sir Isaac Newton
Proverbs 2:6
“For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.” If Isaac Newton or someone else had never made the discoveries Newton made, our world would be very different today. He is one of the most important scientists in all of history. What many people don’t know is that this great scientist was a creationist. He actually wrote more Bible commentaries than he did scientific papers.
Newton is best known for his discoveries of the law of universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. Newton also built the first reflecting telescope, and he developed calculus into the branch of mathematics it is today. He also researched the nature of light and explained how white light is made up of many different colors.
Newton was an avid student of the Bible and wrote papers defending Bishop Ussher’s dating of the earth at about 6,000 years. He also defended the literal six day creation. Although Newton did not personally accept the doctrine of the Trinity, he did take on the atheists of his day, offering strong defenses for the biblical view of history. He was one of the first creation scientists to suggest that most of the sedimentary rocks of the earth are the result of the Genesis Flood.
Next time you hear someone say that science and the Bible don’t mix, think of Sir Isaac Newton.
Prayer:
Heavenly Father, give me a mind which seeks to be closer to You and to learn more about how You have made all things. Though I may not have the understanding of some scientists, I desire more reason to praise You. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
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No one here is a physicist so how would any of you know what you are talking about?
Good point.
What's the chance a regular getbigger would have a career in physics? ;)
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Prayer:
Heavenly Father, I pray today for the work of those in science who are convinced that You are indeed the Creator as described in Genesis. Though they are opposed by men, bless their work and move more of our Christian young people to follow in their footsteps. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
What a pathetic lot religious people are. They are forever looking for supporters and latch onto any religious scientists to bolster their nonsense.
If any God existed it wouldn't need the likes of Harrigan to vouch for it. There would be no mystery, etc.
What we see here is a failure to communicate between that fictional entity and the hapless ignoramuses who pray to it.
Remember, believing something, no matter how intently or seriously, doesn't make it true.
Preachers like Harrigan are more annoying than the clang of heavy dumbbells in the weight room!
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Today's Creation Moment
Sir Isaac Newton
Proverbs 2:6
“For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.” If Isaac Newton or someone else had never made the discoveries Newton made, our world would be very different today. He is one of the most important scientists in all of history. What many people don’t know is that this great scientist was a creationist. He actually wrote more Bible commentaries than he did scientific papers.
Newton is best known for his discoveries of the law of universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. Newton also built the first reflecting telescope, and he developed calculus into the branch of mathematics it is today. He also researched the nature of light and explained how white light is made up of many different colors.
Newton was an avid student of the Bible and wrote papers defending Bishop Ussher’s dating of the earth at about 6,000 years. He also defended the literal six day creation. Although Newton did not personally accept the doctrine of the Trinity, he did take on the atheists of his day, offering strong defenses for the biblical view of history. He was one of the first creation scientists to suggest that most of the sedimentary rocks of the earth are the result of the Genesis Flood.
Next time you hear someone say that science and the Bible don’t mix, think of Sir Isaac Newton.
Prayer:
Heavenly Father, give me a mind which seeks to be closer to You and to learn more about how You have made all things. Though I may not have the understanding of some scientists, I desire more reason to praise You. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
you are desperately trying to persuade by use of authority.
"so and so says it, so it must be true" rather offer the content of their words to make your case.
chuckleHeads abound.
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Why does a guy who gets dumped by a girl feel terrible, if there are many other single women available?
It's just a natural human reaction to feel grief at a loss.
No, the explanation is not that at all. We evolved those feelings. In other words, when we get dumped our unconscious brains tell us to get the partner back and have children with her.
The separation results in pain that a substitute won't relieve....you literally do not want anyone else. Couples who had strong feelings like this had a better chance of having their children survive and thus the hard wiring of those separation blues
when we get rejected by a loved one.
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No, the explanation is not that at all. We evolved those feelings. In other words, when we get dumped our unconscious brains tell us to get the partner back and have children with her.
The separation results in pain that a substitute won't relieve....you literally do not want anyone else. Couples who had strong feelings like this had a better chance of having their children survive and thus the hard wiring of those separation blues
when we get rejected by a loved one.
everything that diminish your odds of survival or the odds of survival of your offspring gets you depressed, thats how nature works.
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A metaphor if you please.
I am not come to make you wear the same shoes as I, neither would I force you to wear shoes at all. My shoes are meant to carry me through my life and give me the strength and ability to traverse that life no matter the conditions that lie ahead.
They can support more than one but only if asked. Gladly will I share them but never would I force them upon you.
Now to address the stupidity of one that needs no shoes but most definitely requires a "re-souling" if you will.
Vince, quit being an ass. I have no "religion" but rather faith in Christ and as weak as it is at times still it is a comfort to me. For goodness sake, it sounds like you should be one of those hilarious atheists in those photos accompanied by their (supposed) reasoning behind their not believing in God. You know... The man that prayed for a girlfriend and didn't get one so he now says there is no God.
Yours will be about something far more important and heart wrenching. No Blue Stars. Consider this a lesson in life, not faith.
Be well.
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"I have no "religion" but rather faith in Christ and as weak as it is at times still it is a comfort to me."
That is nice for you but has nothing to do with the truth. Christianity is a sham and what a shame because
so many have invested hugely in that dogma. So what if you have faith? That is merely pretending to know
something that you don't know so cut the preaching. Delusional organization those religions.
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A metaphor if you please.
I am not come to make you wear the same shoes as I, neither would I force you to wear shoes at all. My shoes are meant to carry me through my life and give me the strength and ability to traverse that life no matter the conditions that lie ahead.
They can support more than one but only if asked. Gladly will I share them but never would I force them upon you.
Now to address the stupidity of one that needs no shoes but most definitely requires a "re-souling" if you will.
Vince, quite being an ass. I have no "religion" but rather faith in Christ and as weak as it is at times still it is a comfort to me. For goodness sake, it sounds like you should be one of those hilarious atheists in those photos accompanied by their (supposed) reasoning behind their not believing in God. You know... The man that prayed for a girlfriend and didn't get one so he now says there is no God.
Yours will be about something far more important and heart wrenching. No Blue Stars. Consider this a lesson in life, not faith.
Be well.
lol
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"I have no "religion" but rather faith in Christ and as weak as it is at times still it is a comfort to me."
That is nice for you but has nothing to do with the truth. Christianity is a sham and what a shame because
so many have invested hugely in that dogma. So what if you have faith? That is merely pretending to know
something that you don't know so cut the preaching. Delusional organization those religions.
"Sigh"... Doubtless your portrait is nearly done. How else would one account for such sadness at a life so unfulfilled? Worse still is the fact that its a paint-by-numbers job.
Run out of blue, did you?
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why would religious people cry at funerals if they really believed their loved one was in a better place.
Well, believers do draw comfort in knowing their loved ones that have passed (who were also believers) are with their Lord; although, those that have not yet passed from this life (those "left behind") do experience loss as they miss and long for their loved ones that have "gone on to a better place". There's still pain associated with their loved ones no longer being with them (even if only temporarily).
I just thought this notion was universally understood and experienced.....maybe I'm wrong.
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"I have no "religion" but rather faith in Christ and as weak as it is at times still it is a comfort to me."
That is nice for you but has nothing to do with the truth. Christianity is a sham and what a shame because
so many have invested hugely in that dogma. So what if you have faith? That is merely pretending to know
something that you don't know so cut the preaching. Delusional organization those religions.
What is the sham you reference?
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What is the sham you reference?
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What is the sham you reference?
I'm going to give my 2 cents worth of opinion on this issue.
For starters I grew up as a moderate Christian and even went to Sunday school until age 15.
As I studied various religions and world history , I changed my view.
I'm NOT a Christian now, because I don't believe in the: resurrection , virgin birth or think Jesus was the actual son of GOD.
I DO think the teachings of Jesus have some unique spiritual wisdom and may have been divinely inspired.
In my opinion, the Bible offers some timeless spiritual wisdom and is worth reading.
My profession is teaching physics , and that helps guide my intellect.
BUT, only a fool would try to fall in love using some scientific equation.
Love and faith are real experiences to us as humans, but quite different from a mathematical science.
My brain uses logic to decide the correct answers in physics or accounting, etc.
My heart and soul guides me when it comes to questions of love and faith.
As humans we can and should do BOTH.
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I'm going to give my 2 cents worth of opinion on this issue.
For starters I grew up as a moderate Christian and even went to Sunday school until age 15.
As I studied various religions and world history , I changed my view.
I'm NOT a Christian now, because I don't believe in the: resurrection , virgin birth or think Jesus was the actual son of GOD.
I DO think the teachings of Jesus have some unique spiritual wisdom and may have been divinely inspired.
In my opinion, the Bible offers some timeless spiritual wisdom and is worth reading.
My profession is teaching physics , and that helps guide my intellect.
BUT, only a fool would try to fall in love using some scientific equation.
Love and faith are real experiences to us as humans, but quite different from a mathematical science.
My brain uses logic to decide the correct answers in physics or accounting, etc.
My heart and soul guides me when it comes to questions of love and faith.
As humans we can and should do BOTH.
You are going to get slivers up your butt sitting on the fence.
You can actually apply principles to make someone fall in love with you. It works only if the person already likes you a bit.
Then it is all formulas.
I wonder where this heaven is supposed to be if everything that exists is in the universe? All those Muslims trying to die
as martyrs assuming they will be resurrected with cocks to enjoy all those virgins. What absolute folly. You won't
see a religious leader sacrificing himself...only the knucklehead followers.
People can believe in magic but they know it is clever tricks. The sort of supernatural magic is plainly just wishful
thinking. Imagine having Getbig in the sky with all the Flotsam and jerks there! No thanks.
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You are going to get slivers up your butt sitting on the fence.
You can actually apply principles to make someone fall in love with you. It works only if the person already likes you a bit.
Then it is all formulas.
I wonder where this heaven is supposed to be if everything that exists is in the universe? All those Muslims trying to die
as martyrs assuming they will be resurrected with cocks to enjoy all those virgins. What absolute folly. You won't
see a religious leader sacrificing himself...only the knucklehead followers.
People can believe in magic but they know it is clever tricks. The sort of supernatural magic is plainly just wishful
thinking. Imagine having Getbig in the sky with all the Flotsam and jerks there! No thanks.
I don't have answers for all questions.
All I do know is that the universe is much bigger then my intellect.
Like any other slob, I'm just trying to figure it as best I can on my own terms.
FYI , you had me with " up your butt" in the first line of your reply.
Thank GOD you used a getbig friendly phrase.
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The original atheists were black. Fact.
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Gravity is strong around Vince. Either that or his life just plain sucks.
A wise person once said, we can choose to be better or bitter. It's not as though anyone is still stealing your lunch money. One not know Christ or for that matter hold fast to any other belief to know happiness. All that is required is to know yourself and then change for the better.
Bitter old man. I don't feel "sad" for you. I save that emotion for those that suffer your insufferable presence.
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Gravity is strong around Vince. Either that or his life just plain sucks.
A wise person once said, we can choose to be better or bitter. It's not as though anyone is still stealing your lunch money. One not know Christ or for that matter hold fast to any other belief to know happiness. All that is required is to know yourself and then change for the better.
Bitter old man. I don't feel "sad" for you. I save that emotion for those that suffer your insufferable presence.
i give you credit scott, you're maintaining your zen.
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
Wrong. Atheism leads to a greater morality.
When you realize that this is all there is, mature humans become compelled to make THIS world as much like heaven as possible and not wait for some improbable afterlife for all wrongs to be righted.
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i give you credit scott, you're maintaining your zen.
Thank you but it would be a lie for me to say I am always "pleasant" or "good" or even Christian in my behavior. I have shamed my faith here and in the real world in the past, present and doubtless the future. This does not mean my faith is made false by my actions and words, but rather that I am just a man and thereby subject to all that entails.
If I were to lie to you regarding that side of me and in doing so not take responsibility for myself, then I would be less than that.
Thanks again.
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Thank you but it would be a lie for me to say I am always "pleasant" or "good" or even Christian in my behavior. I have shamed my faith here and in the real world in the past, present and doubtless the future. This does not mean my faith is made false by my actions and words, but rather that I am just a man and thereby subject to all that entails.
If I were to lie to you regarding that side of me and in doing so not take responsibility for myself, then I would be less than that.
Thanks again.
You bullshit all day long...and night, too. First you make excuses for God, then religion, and now yourself.
When you lose the argument just attack the other personally. That works here on Getbig among the unwashed Flotsam who will applaud your vulgarity.
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
Oh, the irony of a religious believer accusing someone else of "blind faith". A few questions for the true believers:
1. Is the Earth really just 5,000 years old, despite core samples, radiometric dating, and carbon dating of fossils that prove it is at least 4.5 billion years old?
2. Did God put all the dinosaur bones in the ground? Why would He make them so much older than the Universe he created (in a mere 7 days)?
3. Why did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons? Were they not created by God, and thus not birthed by a woman, and thus would not have had umbilical cords in the womb, and thus would not have had bellybuttons? If Adam and Eve did not have bellybuttons, how did they populate the Earth? If they did have bellybuttons and were created in God's image, does that mean that God has a bellybutton? Why would God have a bellybutton?
4. If Adam and Eve did populate the world as the Bible says, wouldn't their offspring be guilty of incest? After all, the the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth. Doesn't the Bible prohibit incest in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
Etcetera, etcetera...
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You bullshit all day long...and night, too. First you make excuses for God, then religion, and now yourself.
When you lose the argument just attack the other personally. That works here on Getbig among the unwashed Flotsam who will applaud your vulgarity.
Paint-by-numbers life portrait in "progress". Do you fancy yourself as Picasso or perhaps more along the lines of Van Gogh? Wyeth? Rembrandt? Monet?
None of the above. Doran Gray suits your kind. Pathetic imitation of life. Run along now before I taunt you some more. ;D
Grow out of this, Vince. Please. Use the Force. Use the Farce. Use your mind but for the sake of yourself, grow out of this.
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Oh, the irony of a religious believer accusing someone else of "blind faith". A few questions for the true believers:
1. Is the Earth 5,000 years old, despite carbon dating of fossils, core samples, and radiometric dating that prove it is at least 4.5 billion years old?
2. Did God put all the dinosaur bones in the ground? Why would He make them so much older than the Universe he created (in a mere 7 days)?
3. Why did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons? Were they not created by God, and thus not birthed by a woman, and thus would not have had umbilical cords in the womb, and thus would not have had bellybuttons? If they were created in God's image, does that mean that God has a bellybutton? Why would God have a bellybutton?
Etcetera, etcetera...
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all you show is that the kent hovids of the world are idiots. ok that's cool, but what does that have to do with whether there is a god or not?
that's just that idiot's interpretation and disproving them is easy. but proving an idiot wrong is no big deal.
they don't decide the definition of god for everyone else. the word "god" does not have a fixed definition beyond omniscience. (note omni + science)
btw i think the estimate is 13.7 billion years.
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all you show is that the kent hovids of the world are idiots. ok that's cool, but what does that have to do with whether this is a god or not?
that's just that idiot's interpretation and disproving them is easy. but proving an idiot wrong is no big deal.
they don't decide the definition of god for everyone else. the word "god" does not have a fixed definition beyond omniscience. (note omni + science)
btw i think the estimate is 13.7 billion years.
I do not know who "Kent Hovids" is. Never heard the name before. These are questions I have for theists, and they rarely can come up with rational answers.
You are partially correct about the age of the Universe being 13 billion years old. That is the maximum estimated age. The minimum age is that it is at least 4.5 billion years. The actual age probably falls somewhere between (based on what scientists know so far), although I believe it will be closer to the high end.
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I do not know who "Kent Hovids" is. Never heard the name before. These are questions I have for theists, and they rarely can come up with rational answers.
he's one of those exploitative preachers who help popularize all the crap you cited. he even started dinosaurland in florida, an amusment park to propagandize they never existed.
he ended up in jail for tax fraud i believe. look him up if you want, he's a posterboy for nonsense.
those are not questions for theists, they are questions for people who hold those beliefs, namely christian sects, but not all of them and certainly not other religions.
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he's one of those exploitative preachers who help popularize all the crap you cited. he even started dinosaurland in florida, an amusment park to propagandize they never existed.
he ended up in jail for tax fraud i believe. look him up if you want, he's a posterboy for nonsense.
those are not questions for theists, they are questions for people who hold those beliefs, namely christian sects, but not all of them and certainly not other religions.
Every religion claims to have answers to questions like "How did the Universe start?" and "Where did Man come from?", although those answers vary from religion to religion.
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Oh, the irony of a religious believer accusing someone else of "blind faith". A few questions for the true believers:
1. Is the Earth really just 5,000 years old, despite core samples, radiometric dating, and carbon dating of fossils that prove it is at least 4.5 billion years old?
2. Did God put all the dinosaur bones in the ground? Why would He make them so much older than the Universe he created (in a mere 7 days)?
3. Why did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons? Were they not created by God, and thus not birthed by a woman, and thus would not have had umbilical cords in the womb, and thus would not have had bellybuttons? If Adam and Eve did not have bellybuttons, how did they populate the Earth? If they did have bellybuttons and were created in God's image, does that mean that God has a bellybutton? Why would God have a bellybutton?
4. If Adam and Eve did populate the world as the Bible says, wouldn't their offspring be guilty of incest? After all, the the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth. Doesn't the Bible prohibit incest in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
1) The Earth is much older than 5,000 years. Doesn't bother me that it is reeeeeeeally old. ;D
2) Dinosaurs died. I'm just glad they were around before we were! Don't think that way? Try watching Jurassic Park and get back to me. ;D
3) People painted pictures of what they thought Adam and Eve looked like. Naturally they put belly buttons on them. I have no clue what they really looked like but if you truly want to know just ask Wiggs. He will start with them being black dontcha know. ;D
4) It would appear that yes, they did have incestuous relationships. Either that or Moses left out something in the Bible (no! A man would never do that!). I have no idea but again, it does not bother me that I don't. ;D
There is also a flood story in Greek/Roman mythology wherein the two survivors are told to repopulate the Earth by throwing the "bones of their mother" over their shoulders.
Turns out they had to throw rocks (i.e., the bones of Mother Earth) over their shoulders and human beings popped up. Clever, huh? Doesn't bother me in the least. ;D
Hope this helps. But in the event it does not? Well, it doesn't bother me. ;D
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1) The Earth is much older than 5,000 years. Doesn't bother me that it is reeeeeeeally old. ;D
2) Dinosaurs died. I'm just glad they were around before we were! Don't think that way? Try watching Jurassic Park and get back to me. ;D
3) People painted pictures of what they thought Adam and Eve looked like. Naturally they put belly buttons on them. I have no clue what they really looked like but if you truly want to know just ask Wiggs. He will start with them being black dontcha know. ;D
4) It would appear that yes, they did have incestuous relationships. Either that or Moses left out something in the Bible (no! A man would never do that!). I have no idea but again, it does not bother me that I don't. ;D
There is also a flood story in Greek/Roman mythology wherein the two survivors are told to repopulate the Earth by throwing the "bones of their mother" over their shoulders.
Turns out they had to throw rocks (i.e., the bones of Mother Earth) over their shoulders and human beings popped up. Clever, huh? Doesn't bother me in the least. ;D
Hope this helps. But in the event it does not? Well, it doesn't bother me. ;D
So you have no clue and that doesn't bother you?
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Every religion claims to have answers to questions like "How did the Universe start?" and "Where did Man come from?", although those answers vary from religion to religion.
exactly, that's why i said you can't put those questions to "theists" but to those who believe those specific things.
in other words you can't ask a jew(a theist) to defend or prove what a christian(a fellow theist) believes. because he doesn't believe it.
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People can believe in magic but they know it is clever tricks. The sort of supernatural magic is plainly just wishful
thinking. Imagine having Getbig in the sky with all the Flotsam and jerks there! No thanks.
But isn't it magical that our whole solar system developed out of a solar dust nebula? Don't you think that is a very fantastic concept? I mean it is magic right? If you had a magician on stage and he conjured a living being out of dust in front of your eyes you would think that's magic right? Well, guess what, that is exactly what happened to our solar system and you and your dumbbells. Only it took close to 5 billion years.
You think that is all chance? Would you say Chance is the"Creator"? See any way you look at it the Universe was created - even if it was Chance. The forces in the Universe has to be just right for the Solar System to develop out of a nebula. The precision is so extreme that scientists concede it cannot be by chance - the odds are too great. So some scientist reason there has to be trillions of multi-universes so they can feel more comfortable with those odds. They are fudging as they go along. Nobody can prove there is no Creator. The proof for a Creator is the Universe. It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator. And they can't.
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But isn't it magical that our whole solar system developed out of a solar dust nebula? Don't you think that is a very fantastic concept? I mean it is magic right? If you had a magician on stage and he conjured a living being out of dust in front of your eyes you would think that's magic right? Well, guess what, that is exactly what happened to our solar system and you and your dumbbells. Only it took close to 5 billion years.
You think that is all chance? Would you say Chance is the"Creator"? See any way you look at it the Universe was created - even if it was Chance. The forces in the Universe has to be just right for the Solar System to develop out of a nebula. The precision is so extreme that scientists concede it cannot be by chance - the odds are too great. So some scientist reason there has to be trillions of multi-universes so they can feel more comfortable with those odds. They are fudging as they go along. Nobody can prove there is no creator. The proof for a Creator is the Universe. It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator. And they can't.
"They are fudging as they go along." No, they are not. Science is real (unlike the Bible) and is based on tangible, measurable results.
"It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator." No, it is not, anymore than it is the "responsibility" of the religious to prove the existence of God (which they can't).
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So you have no clue and that doesn't bother you?
Do you want me to lie to you?
I don't have all the answers to a great many things, why would I pretend otherwise? I will not know either the truth of falsehood of not only my faith but of any and everything until I die. It is only then that we will know either peace or nothing.
To paraphrase (albeit poorly) , who among us can add a single inch to their height by worrying about that which we have no control over? There are those among us smarter than either of us and still what they posit is supposition. Educated supposition but all the same a shot in the dark. They can mathematically prove things but we cannot always see the proof. And yet they believe. Not a problem.
I have my faith and the hope it provides. I do not seek to disprove dinosaurs or the age of the Earth to name but two subjects. I accept them and move on. Just because something is not mentioned in the Bible does not make it non-existent. Neither you nor I are written in the Bible and yet here we are!
I merely seek to be written in the Book of Life. You do not. Not a problem.
Be well.
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But isn't it magical that our whole solar system developed out of a solar dust nebula? Don't you think that is a very fantastic concept? I mean it is magic right? If you had a magician on stage and he conjured a living being out of dust in front of your eyes you would think that's magic right? Well, guess what, that is exactly what happened to our solar system and you and your dumbbells. Only it took close to 5 billion years.
You think that is all chance? Would you say Chance is the"Creator"? See any way you look at it the Universe was created - even if it was Chance. The forces in the Universe has to be just right for the Solar System to develop out of a nebula. The precision is so extreme that scientists concede it cannot be by chance - the odds are too great. So some scientist reason there has to be trillions of multi-universes so they can feel more comfortable with those odds. They are fudging as they go along. Nobody can prove there is no Creator. The proof for a Creator is the Universe. It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator. And they can't.
you take a sound approach, but why do scientist have to be fudging and all that?
why can't they be searching and why can't there be thousands of universes with their own creator anyway? you use reason up to that point but then arbitrarily inject "they are fudging" for comfort.
so what if there are billions of universes, that doesn't invalidate the concept.
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Oh, the irony of a religious believer accusing someone else of "blind faith". A few questions for the true believers:
1. Is the Earth really just 5,000 years old, despite core samples, radiometric dating, and carbon dating of fossils that prove it is at least 4.5 billion years old?
2. Did God put all the dinosaur bones in the ground? Why would He make them so much older than the Universe he created (in a mere 7 days)?
3. Why did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons? Were they not created by God, and thus not birthed by a woman, and thus would not have had umbilical cords in the womb, and thus would not have had bellybuttons? If Adam and Eve did not have bellybuttons, how did they populate the Earth? If they did have bellybuttons and were created in God's image, does that mean that God has a bellybutton? Why would God have a bellybutton?
4. If Adam and Eve did populate the world as the Bible says, wouldn't their offspring be guilty of incest? After all, the the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth. Doesn't the Bible prohibit incest in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
Etcetera, etcetera...
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You can believe in a Creator and the fact that the Universe is over 13 billion years old. The Bible should not be interpreted literally and there are a lot of fairy tales / metaphors in it. Overall it has a good message to lead your life but I don't view it literally.
And if you believe in evolution then yes in the beginning a species will have very few individuals so incest does occur in nature and has for billions of years.
You need to think outside the box. Evolution was the Creators way of creating life - and it took billions of years. But the evolution of a species happens relatively fast. When the Dinosaurs when extinct around 65 million years ago as a result of the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, there were only a few small land based mammals species running around on the planet. And now most mammals evolved from those little critters - in 65 million years! That is fucking fast when you think about it.
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But isn't it magical that our whole solar system developed out of a solar dust nebula? Don't you think that is a very fantastic concept? I mean it is magic right? If you had a magician on stage and he conjured a living being out of dust in front of your eyes you would think that's magic right? Well, guess what, that is exactly what happened to our solar system and you and your dumbbells. Only it took close to 5 billion years.
You think that is all chance? Would you say Chance is the"Creator"? See any way you look at it the Universe was created - even if it was Chance. The forces in the Universe has to be just right for the Solar System to develop out of a nebula. The precision is so extreme that scientists concede it cannot be by chance - the odds are too great. So some scientist reason there has to be trillions of multi-universes so they can feel more comfortable with those odds. They are fudging as they go along. Nobody can prove there is no Creator. The proof for a Creator is the Universe. It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator. And they can't.
Not magic at all, it's called gravity. Trillions upon trillions of metric tons of dust and gas swirling around, eventually particles attract each other and combine. Add asteroids as big as some countries and you can see there is no magic. Of course the time span is huge.
And just as the earth was born in such a way someday it will be obliterated by our sun expanding and making things quite toasty, but fear not an asteroid or meteor will wipe us all out long before then. And you know what? Our galaxy will go on without even a hiccup, as if we never existed. Where does any belief system come into play here?
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you take a sound approach, but why do scientist have to be fudging and all that?
why can't they be searching and why can't there be thousands of universes with their own creator anyway? you use reason up to that point but then arbitrarily inject "they are fudging" for comfort.
so what if there are billions of universes, that doesn't invalidate the concept.
There is nothing wrong with them searching. Without their curiosity we wouldn't know as much as we do. Scientists prefer to form an opinion based on empirical evidence. There is nothing wrong with that. They concede that the Universe has been fine tuned so precisely that it points to a Creator. Because they can't prove a Creator they theorized there had to be trillions of multi-verses to explain the fine tuning and diminish the role of a Creator. That is what I mean by fudge - they came up with a new concept without being able to prove it empirically (at this point). It was done because they could not accept the fine tuning of the Universe because it points to a Design. Fudging = Speculative.
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"They are fudging as they go along." No, they are not. Science is real (unlike the Bible) and is based on tangible, measurable results.
"It is the responsibility of an atheist to disprove the existence of a Creator." No, it is not, anymore than it is the "responsibility" of the religious to prove the existence of God (which they can't).
There is no empirical evidence of a multi-verse. It is speculative science.
The existence of a Creator can be proven more easily because the odds of the forces in the Universe being just right for life to develop is so extreme that it points to a design. It could not be fine tuned so exactly by Chance. Believers in a Creator don't have to prove the existence of a Creator because the Universe and life on Earth is proof. The fine tuned forces in the Universe is proof.
As an atheist you have to prove that it could all happen by Chance. And right now you don't have proof of that.
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There is nothing wrong with them searching. Without their curiosity we wouldn't know as much as we do. Scientists prefer to form an opinion based on empirical evidence. There is nothing wrong with that. They concede that the Universe has been fine tuned so precisely that it points to a Creator. Because they can't prove a Creator they theorized there had to be trillions of multi-verses to explain the fine tuning and diminish the role of a Creator. That is what I mean by fudge - they came up with a new concept without being able to prove it empirically (at this point). It was done because they could not accept the fine tuning of the Universe because it points to a Design. Fudging = Speculative.
but multiple universes isn't accepted by science, it's posited as a possibility by some scientists. it's just a candidate theory and they know it.
no scientist would say it's fact. they are perfectly willing to discard it.
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Not magic at all, it's called gravity. Trillions upon trillions of metric tons of dust and gas swirling around, eventually particles attract each other and combine. Add asteroids as big as some countries and you can see there is no magic. Of course the time span is huge.
And just as the earth was born in such a way someday it will be obliterated by our sun expanding and making things quite toasty, but fear not an asteroid or meteor will wipe us all out long before then. And you know what? Our galaxy will go on without even a hiccup, as if we never existed. Where does any belief system come into play here?
It's not just Gravity. Gravity is a weak force. There are 4 fundamental forces of nature:
Gravitation, electromagnetism, the weak interaction, and the strong interaction. Without these forces the solar system would not develop out of a Nebula.
But how do you get a lion or elephant out of that - after a star and planet has been formed?
Do you know how life started on the planet?
I'll give you a hint: Thermodynamics and Entropy
That and the fact that our Earth is the correct size and distance from the Sun. And the Sun has the correct mass.
You take for granted a lot. If it is all chance, why can't we destroy gravity in the Universe? How would you go about removing the 4 fundamental forces of nature from the Universe?
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but multiple universes isn't accepted by science, it's posited as a possibility by some scientists. it's just a candidate theory and they know it.
no scientist would say it's fact. they are perfectly willing to discard it.
I agree. Not all scientists. So scientists have to concede the Universe is a Design - based on the fine tuning of the fundamental forces of nature.
Einstein believed in a Creator. He did not believe in a personal God but he believed in a Creator. Many Scientists do.
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It's not just Gravity. Gravity is a weak force. There are 4 fundamental forces of nature:
Gravitation, electromagnetism, the weak interaction, and the strong interaction. Without these forces the solar system would not develop out of a Nebula.
But how do you get a lion or elephant out of that - after a star and planet has been formed?
Do you know how life started on the planet?
I'll give you a hint: Thermodynamics and Entropy
That and the fact that our Earth is the correct size and distance from the Sun. And the Sun has the correct mass.
You take for granted a lot. If it is all chance, why can't we destroy gravity in the Universe? How would you go about removing the 4 fundamental forces of nature from the Universe?
i find it curious that you use science to indict science.
on another note.
i find it heartening that a number of people here have obviously put in work in tackling the most profound questions. its the best any of us can do.
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i find it curious that you use science to indict science.
on another note.
i find it heartening that a number of people here have obviously put in work in tackling the most profound questions. its the best any of us can do.
Actually, I look at science to indict atheists (scientist or non-scientists).
Bottom line is the fine tuning is something atheists will have to address if they dismiss the Universe as a Design.
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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?
Oh my fu*king god...... ::)
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I dont put much credibility into any of the major religions, but at the same time i dont really see how anyone can be an athiest either...how can you just think everything is nothing and nothing has any meaning or purpose??
there must be SOME KIND of higher power. i just dont pretend to have any comprehension of what that is, much less what it wants or that it has passed down all its guidelines in some little 'book'
So, because you are too stupid to understand what the world is all about, there has to be some higher power, to help your incompetent brains to get a grip at things? This is the main problem what comes about understanding reality: MOST OF US ARE TOO STUPID TO DO SO. Let me explain: Highest IQ's what has been measured are ~230 point. Average IQ in USA is 93. When smartest part of people are over 200 points, how we get the average as low it is, while we know that level of official retard is 60 points? For every high IQ there is hundreds of thousands of sub par IQ's, whose intelligence is bit more than the level of retard. This is so called "absolute truth" about the matter.
People, who are lacking the ability to comprehend things in normal life, try to argument things which puzzle even scientists. Do you understand the "big bang" theory? I mean complete theory, all the thousands of pages which are included in it, those pages where is all the mathematics and little details? If you answer yes, you are liar, because on this earth is less than 10 000 people who are able to understand it completely. That is the higher power what you are talking about, power of higher IQ. Everything else comes from the fact, that internet is paradise for stupid people, because it gives them the possibility to argue these kind of things without any knowledge what so ever ;D
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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?
Is there? Then it would be easy to you to present 1 de facto evidence about Jesus. 1 concrete evidence, that is all I ask. Shouldn't be any problem there, even if we doesn't include known fakes like the shroud of Turin..
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think about that.
yeah i know you did, right?
you are out of your league.
I think believing in things which there is proof of makes more sense than believing in things there is no proof of. I don't think that's a contradiction. By believing in things with no proof our whole justice system collapses.
I appreciate conversely there is no proof that gods and ghosts and goblins don't exist, but this is the reality of our world. Proof + physics = stuff that exists. That probably sounds narrow minded to all the father christmas worshippers, but the fact is, your parents lied to you from a young age and you bought it.
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So, because you are too stupid to understand what the world is all about, there has to be some higher power, to help your incompetent brains to get a grip at things? This is the main problem what comes about understanding reality: MOST OF US ARE TOO STUPID TO DO SO. Let me explain: Highest IQ's what has been measured are ~230 point. Average IQ in USA is 93. When smartest part of people are over 200 points, how we get the average as low it is, while we know that level of official retard is 60 points? For every high IQ there is hundreds of thousands of sub par IQ's, whose intelligence is bit more than the level of retard. This is so called "absolute truth" about the matter.
People, who are lacking the ability to comprehend things in normal life, try to argument things which puzzle even scientists. Do you understand the "big bang" theory? I mean complete theory, all the thousands of pages which are included in it, those pages where is all the mathematics and little details? If you answer yes, you are liar, because on this earth is less than 10 000 people who are able to understand it completely. That is the higher power what you are talking about, power of higher IQ. Everything else comes from the fact, that internet is paradise for stupid people, because it gives them the possibility to argue these kind of things without any knowledge what so ever ;D
guess you got it all figured out. clearly you must be one of those above 200 IQs.
where did you learn all this?
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I think believing in things which there is proof of makes more sense than believing in things there is no proof of. I don't think that's a contradiction. By believing in things with no proof our whole justice system collapses.
I appreciate conversely there is no proof that gods and ghosts and goblins don't exist, but this is the reality of our world. Proof + physics = stuff that exists. That probably sounds narrow minded to all the father christmas worshippers, but the fact is, your parents lied to you from a young age and you bought it.
of course believing in things for which there is proof makes a ton of sense.
like there is proof that there is so much we don't know.
that unknown information counts, it goes to defining what reality actually is.
to ONLY believe in that which there is proof for, knowingly omits those things which are real but not yet provable.
if this was 1491 you'd believe the world was flat and you'd tell round worlders they believe in fairy tales. then the next year, you pronounce yourself a round worlder.
it might be prudent to go about daily life as if it were flat, but you still would have been wrong.
one can conclude the world ends at the horizon and they can get along just fine like that. but they'd be wrong.
you think you know but YOU just accept what is told to you.
the world is flat until it isn't, the earth is the center of the universe until it isn't, the sun revolves around the earth until it doesn't....... YOU wait to be informed of what YOU think.
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You have to feel sorry for those that still believe in thousands of years old fairy stories...
Bunch of retarded ingrates. It's time they Falconised and got them self some learnings.
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So, because you are too stupid to understand what the world is all about, there has to be some higher power, to help your incompetent brains to get a grip at things? This is the main problem what comes about understanding reality: MOST OF US ARE TOO STUPID TO DO SO. Let me explain: Highest IQ's what has been measured are ~230 point. Average IQ in USA is 93. When smartest part of people are over 200 points, how we get the average as low it is, while we know that level of official retard is 60 points? For every high IQ there is hundreds of thousands of sub par IQ's, whose intelligence is bit more than the level of retard. This is so called "absolute truth" about the matter.
People, who are lacking the ability to comprehend things in normal life, try to argument things which puzzle even scientists. Do you understand the "big bang" theory? I mean complete theory, all the thousands of pages which are included in it, those pages where is all the mathematics and little details? If you answer yes, you are liar, because on this earth is less than 10 000 people who are able to understand it completely. That is the higher power what you are talking about, power of higher IQ. Everything else comes from the fact, that internet is paradise for stupid people, because it gives them the possibility to argue these kind of things without any knowledge what so ever ;D
Even the smartest people in the world have no clue how to create a Universe with all the forces in it. They can observe it, but they can't create it. Ask the smartest person in the world how he would create the hydrogen element out of nothing prior to the existence of the Universe.
You say there are 10, 000 people that understand the Universe completely. I say there are zero people that understand it completely.
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I believe in the GOD of quads and worship weekly at the squat rack.
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You have to feel sorry for those that still believe in thousands of years old fairy stories...
Bunch of retarded ingrates. It's time they Falconised and got them self some learnings.
Forget the fairy tales. You can believe in a Creator but not metaphors. Just realize the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth 4.5 billion, and you are not even 50 years old right? But you know for a fact there is no Creator, even though there are designs in nature all around you? And the Universe is a Design.
Maybe you're the retard?
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'obsidian' = El Presidente of the Flat Earth Society
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Even the smartest people in the world have no clue how to create a Universe with all the forces in it. They can observe it, but they can't create it. Ask the smartest person in the world how he would create the hydrogen element out of nothing prior to the existence of the Universe.
You say there are 10, 000 people that understand the Universe completely. I say there are zero people that understand it completely.
Well, my IQ is only 175, but how I'd create a hydrogen atom, is from subatomic particles that did exist before the Big Bang. You're welcome.
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Oh my fu*king god...... ::)
Reality is quite the bitch (like you), isn't she?
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Well, my IQ is only 175, but how I'd create a hydrogen atom, is from subatomic particles that did exist before the Big Bang. You're welcome.
If you have an actual legit IQ of 175, my dick is 15" long and your mom is sucking hard ;)
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Forget the fairy tales. You can believe in a Creator but not metaphors. Just realize the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth 4.5 billion, and you are not even 50 years old right? But you know for a fact there is no Creator, even though there are designs in nature all around you? And the Universe is a Design.
Maybe you're the retard?
You, my friend, are dumb as fuck. That is my argument in its entirety.
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Well, my IQ is only 175, but how I'd create a hydrogen atom, is from subatomic particles that did exist before the Big Bang. You're welcome.
No, you cannot operate under the assumption that subatomic particles existed. Nothing existed. How would you even know how to create anything with your 175 IQ? And I seriously doubt you have an IQ of 175.
More like 1.75
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You, my friend, are dumb as fuck. That is my argument in its entirety.
HAHA what argument - moron? You can't debate?!
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HAHA what argument - moron? You can't debate?!
No point with cretins, such as yourself.
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No, you cannot operate under the assumption that subatomic particles existed. Nothing existed. How would you even know how to create anything with your 175 IQ? And I seriously doubt you have an IQ of 175.
More like 1.75
Before the Big Bang the Universe was subatomic. With no atoms and therefore no molecules, there was no atomic based matter, or nothing material. The Universe was energy and subatomic particles. The energy of course was kinetic, moving subatomic particle around, and with unlimited amount time, eventually, the proper geometric combination of subatomic particles reacted to each other in a chain reaction, of fusion, fission, fusion, etc., resulting in the formation of atoms, molecules, that is matter, condensing out of the energy and particles that previously existed alone.
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if people really want to discuss the subject, not debate, then they have to leave their predispositions behind. otherwise what's the point?
nobody is gonna get a cigar for "winning".
and as far as religion fucking up this world, sorry, while that seems to be the case the reality is it's fucked up people period that are fucking shit up.
removing all religion from the world will still leave the assholes behind and they will just find some other pretense to do fucked up shit.
assholism is the problem at large. religion is one excuse assholes use.
but discussing the philosophy of the origin of reality and how it works has nothing to do with people who make up their own shit as a reason to act the fool.
be it an islamic suicide bomber or a christian abortion clinic bomber.
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Before the Big Bang the Universe was subatomic. With no atoms and therefore no molecules, there was no atomic based matter, or nothing material. The Universe was energy and subatomic particles. The energy of course was kinetic, moving subatomic particle around, and with unlimited amount time, eventually, the proper geometric combination of subatomic particles reacted to each other in a chain reaction, of fusion, fission, fusion, etc., resulting in the formation of atoms, molecules, that is matter, condensing out of the energy and particles that previously existed alone.
It's all supposition. Educated guessing, really. But there is no harm in that at all. No one "knows" what existed that many years ago. To state otherwise as fact is a canard.
It's turtles all the way down. Yup. Turtles. All the way down. ;D Duuuuude.
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Well, believers do draw comfort in knowing their loved ones that have passed (who were also believers) are with their Lord; although, those that have not yet passed from this life (those "left behind") do experience loss as they miss and long for their loved ones that have "gone on to a better place". There's still pain associated with their loved ones no longer being with them (even if only temporarily).
I just thought this notion was universally understood and experienced.....maybe I'm wrong.
With all due respect and I do respect your; this is the exact perfect response I was expecting somone to say. However I still find it flawed. If i 100% truly believed in God and heaven I would be ecstatic that my loved one died. Even if I did miss them I would not get sad enough to be in any type of mourning. Probably not even shed a tear. I would just be looking forward to my death; if I truly believed. Just my.02. Thanks for sharing yours.
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So, because you are too stupid to understand what the world is all about, there has to be some higher power, to help your incompetent brains to get a grip at things? This is the main problem what comes about understanding reality: MOST OF US ARE TOO STUPID TO DO SO. Let me explain: Highest IQ's what has been measured are ~230 point. Average IQ in USA is 93. When smartest part of people are over 200 points, how we get the average as low it is, while we know that level of official retard is 60 points? For every high IQ there is hundreds of thousands of sub par IQ's, whose intelligence is bit more than the level of retard. This is so called "absolute truth" about the matter.
People, who are lacking the ability to comprehend things in normal life, try to argument things which puzzle even scientists. Do you understand the "big bang" theory? I mean complete theory, all the thousands of pages which are included in it, those pages where is all the mathematics and little details? If you answer yes, you are liar, because on this earth is less than 10 000 people who are able to understand it completely. That is the higher power what you are talking about, power of higher IQ. Everything else comes from the fact, that internet is paradise for stupid people, because it gives them the possibility to argue these kind of things without any knowledge what so ever ;D
Clearly YOU don't know what the world is all about as Occam's Razor proves creation by the supernatural. All logic brings atheism/evolution down to only two options: 1. All things were created and designed by God. 2. All things were not created by God. Since all the laws of science prove #2 to be pure insanity, that only leaves you with #1. God created all things. Anything apart from God is unable to create even the smallest particle of anything.
And don't even try the old false dichotomy bullshit because there are ONLY TWO OPTIONS
THE TWO OPTIONS
"The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation." -- Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils
"Evolution is unproved and improvable, we believe it because the only alternative is special creation, which is unthinkable." -- Sir Arthur Keith, a militant anti-Christian physical anthropologist
"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based upon faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion....The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but irrational." -- Dr. Louis T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University
NEED MORE, DUMBASS?
SCHOOLED BY A CREATIONIST
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Clearly YOU don't know what the world is all about as Occam's Razor proves creation by the supernatural. All logic brings atheism/evolution down to only two options: 1. All things were created and designed by God. 2. All things were not created by God. Since all the laws of science prove #2 to be pure insanity, that only leaves you with #1. God created all things. Anything apart from God is unable to create even the smallest particle of anything.
And don't even try the old false dichotomy bullshit because there are ONLY TWO OPTIONS
THE TWO OPTIONS
"The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation." -- Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils
"Evolution is unproved and improvable, we believe it because the only alternative is special creation, which is unthinkable." -- Sir Arthur Keith, a militant anti-Christian physical anthropologist
"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based upon faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion....The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but irrational." -- Dr. Louis T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University
NEED MORE, DUMBASS?
SCHOOLED BY A CREATIONIST
Why 2 steaks?
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It's all supposition. Educated guessing, really. But there is no harm in that at all. No one "knows" what existed that many years ago. To state otherwise as fact is a canard.
It's turtles all the way down. Yup. Turtles. All the way down. ;D Duuuuude.
We know it wasn't a god.
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We know it wasn't a god.
Either one is a supposition. I prefer "God", you prefer, for lack of a better term, "Chance". Either one is acceptable but based upon one's personal preference.
Thanks.
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Either one is a supposition. I prefer "God", you prefer, for lack of a better term, "Chance". Either one is acceptable but based upon one's personal preference.
Thanks.
Your god is not real because it is just ignorant superstition. So you prefer ignorant superstition over reality. Chance is real, and probability is proven mathematical science.
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Why 2 steaks?
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Why, all the better to feed my muscles with.
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Your god is not real because it is just ignorant superstition. So you prefer ignorant superstition over reality. Chance is real, and probability is proven mathematical science.
I can see that you prefer to behave as a child. So be it.
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I can see that you prefer to behave as a child. So be it.
Telling the truth is being a grown up. Playing pretend, that there is a god, is childish.
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Telling the truth is being a grown up. Playing pretend, that there is a god, is childish.
Okay. You are an asshole. I am not come to change the diaper that is your mind, so run along now and play with the other babies.
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Your god is not real because it is just ignorant superstition. So you prefer ignorant superstition over reality. Chance is real, and probability is proven mathematical science.
Yet again you confirm that you're positively brainless. If God weren't real, the physical universe (and all life therein, including you) wouldn't exist. Then again you lack the brains to apprehend as much.
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Yet again you confirm that you're positively brainless. If God weren't real, the physical universe (and all life therein, including you) wouldn't exist. Then again you lack the brains to apprehend as much.
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Yet again you confirm that you're positively brainless. If God weren't real, the physical universe (and all life therein, including you) wouldn't exist. Then again you lack the brains to apprehend as much.
all your mumbo jumbo doesnt make sense. There is nothing "superior" "to apprehend".
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Before the Big Bang the Universe was subatomic. With no atoms and therefore no molecules, there was no atomic based matter, or nothing material. The Universe was energy and subatomic particles. The energy of course was kinetic, moving subatomic particle around, and with unlimited amount time, eventually, the proper geometric combination of subatomic particles reacted to each other in a chain reaction, of fusion, fission, fusion, etc., resulting in the formation of atoms, molecules, that is matter, condensing out of the energy and particles that previously existed alone.
Where did all this energy and particles come from? Why is there such a thing as "energy"? You believe it was all chance. However do you concede that in the beginning perhaps even energy did not exist? Prior to the Big Bang? Nothing is nothing. Even energy had to be created in my opinion.
Your Creator is Chance. You just call it Chance, where I call it a Creator.
Everything that makes up the Universe including Energy and the fundamental forces of Nature was Created imo.
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Where did all this energy and particles come from? Why is there such a thing as "energy"? You believe it was all chance. However do you concede that in the beginning perhaps even energy did not exist? Prior to the Big Bang? Nothing is nothing. Even energy had to be created in my opinion.
Your Creator is Chance. You just call it Chance, where I call it a Creator.
Everything that makes up the Universe including Energy and the fundamental forces of Nature was Created imo.
I don't concede anything. You're claiming there is some kind of intelligence, that created the Universe. Then where did that intelligence come from? The Universe has always existed. Matter can be converted to energy and vice versa as Einstein showed. There is no need to resort to ignorant superstition, since it doesn't explain anything. Science does explain things, but you need to be intelligent enough to understand the answers. Most people never take the time to develop their minds and intellects. Shame on you.
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all your mumbo jumbo doesnt make sense. There is nothing "superior" "to apprehend".
and you know this how? quantum physicists would say there is.
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With all due respect and I do respect your; this is the exact perfect response I was expecting somone to say. However I still find it flawed. If i 100% truly believed in God and heaven I would be ecstatic that my loved one died. Even if I did miss them I would not get sad enough to be in any type of mourning. Probably not even shed a tear. I would just be looking forward to my death; if I truly believed. Just my.02. Thanks for sharing yours.
Lost my grandmother last year after a long battle with cancer, alzheimer's and a number of other issues. When she passed it was a mixture of joy and sadness. Joy because she was no longer in pain, reunited with loved ones that had already passed and with her Lord and Savior. Sadness because we won't see her again in this lifetime.
I suppose it's because we exist in the finite realm where time and space impact our existence that we feel "burden of time". Once we enter the infinite scope of eternity time will no longer be a factor and our perspectives will shift to something new....something transcendent.
Until then believers with faith in Christ strive to grow closer to God in moments of struggle, sadness and stress. As believers we aren't promised sunshine and rainbows all the time. In actuality we're promised a great deal of struggle. It's when the struggles come and you begin to perceive opportunities to grow closer to and learn from the one you claim as savior that things change and faith matures....with anything in this life it just takes time.
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Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence.
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Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence.
Wow that's dumb! We have a new winner for the stupidest post of the year!
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Wow that's dumb! We have a new winner for the stupidest post of the year!
Yeah I think god created himself and then created this world so that he could enjoy the company of others, but only after they have grown to understand their inferiority and thus come to appreciate his infinite wisdom. which is why this world is full of inequality, evil, suffering, etc. it sounds egotistical but its for our good, not his.
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Wow that's dumb! We have a new winner for the stupidest post of the year!
Yep, it's you. For not knowing who that originated from.
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Wow that's dumb! We have a new winner for the stupidest post of the year!
I would ask you to leave, but then you never were really here to begin with.
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Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence.
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You're a bunch of dumbasses.
Che is trolling the shit out of you.
The statements above are quotes from tbombz.
haha, owned!! ;D ;D
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You're a bunch of dumbasses.
Che is trolling the shit out of you.
The statements above are quotes from tbombz.
haha, owned!! ;D ;D
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Another tbombz quote
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Another tbombz quote
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Come on man, you've been here long enough. Do you think Che would actually write something like that? ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Come on man, you've been here long enough. Do you think Che would actually write something like that? ::) ::) ;D ;D
I don't know what to believe anymore ;D
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I don't know what to believe anymore ;D
lol. when he posted those quotes, the first thing i said to myself is, "that sounds like something tbombz would write" lol
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Another tbombz quote
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Haha yes TBombz has some beautiful quotes .
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Some more tbombz quotes. I highlighted the funniest parts in red.
Quote 1: Even until today I actively study and research all the latest scientific discoveries, theories, controversies, etc. I assure you I understand the ideas behing why people believe in billions of years and evolution. (The supposed 'speed of light' and the supposed 'size of the universe', the supposed 'expanding-at-an-accelerating-rate universe', the genetic variations that exist in organisms and their ability to adapt to their environment, 'uniformatarian' philosophy which says the processes we see today always occured the same way in the past etc etc etc etc etc)
those are all philosophies. Real science does not speak on what it has not observed. and real science confirms the impossibility of evolution And if you dont give your heart to Jesus Christ and if you die lost then you will be forever separated from God and will burn in hell forever. if you know what empirical means then you should understand that evolution is not empirical
Quote 2: No one has ever seen a seaweed turn into a human. Neither has anyone seen an ape turn into an apeman. Evolution is imagination, nothing more than a fantasy
Quote 3: God did not want for us to sin, but because we did we now live in a world cursed by sin, held together only for a time by Gods great love, until he restores it back to perfection. Sickle cell anemia was not planned, it is a result of our own sinfulness, and God loves us so much that he came down from heaven and submitted to torture and crucifixion in order to save us from diseases like it.
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Hitchens didn't really seem stumped; looked like he was insulted by the question.
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Hitchens didn't really seem stumped; looked like he was insulted by the question.
He was merely emotionally flummoxed due to the rumor that the Wiggsonian Profit was soon to arrive and black peddle him into the ground wif Hebroic logic "n" sheet.
That would terrify anyone.
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He was merely emotionally flummoxed due to the rumor that the Wiggsonian Profit was soon to arrive and black peddle him into the ground wif Hebroic logic "n" sheet.
That would terrify anyone.
He certainly wasn't one to suffer fools.
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He certainly wasn't one to suffer fools.
True. I would have been mincemeatified by the man. Smart does not begin to describe him. At times he could be rude too, but then so are all of us at one time or another. In all honesty I would have just said its my faith, not yours and left it at that.
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True. I would have been mincemeatified by the man. Smart does not begin to describe him. At times he could be rude too, but then so are all of us at one time or another. In all honesty I would have just said its my faith, not yours and left it at that.
Oh yeah, made for interesting viewing, though. Loved when he clowned Mos Def's ignorance about bin Laden on Maher's show.
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Sleep is death without the responsibility.
Be well.
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Ah yes, Richard Carrier....he has calm presentation I like but his argumentation is specious to me.
He has had decent debates with Michael Licona and William Lane Craig you might like.
He has taken a newer spin on old arguments. Seems like a nice guy though....pleasant debator.
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Lost my grandmother last year after a long battle with cancer, alzheimer's and a number of other issues. When she passed it was a mixture of joy and sadness. Joy because she was no longer in pain, reunited with loved ones that had already passed and with her Lord and Savior. Sadness because we won't see her again in this lifetime.
people were relieved of a dead weight which meant less stress that was producing nothing but suffering, and this means better odds of survival...that's why they felt better. Actually they re happy she finally died. And she probably felt it which probably didnt help her get any better.
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Lost my grandmother last year after a long battle with cancer, alzheimer's and a number of other issues. When she passed it was a mixture of joy and sadness. Joy because she was no longer in pain, reunited with loved ones that had already passed and with her Lord and Savior. Sadness because we won't see her again in this lifetime.
I suppose it's because we exist in the finite realm where time and space impact our existence that we feel "burden of time". Once we enter the infinite scope of eternity time will no longer be a factor and our perspectives will shift to something new....something transcendent.
Until then believers with faith in Christ strive to grow closer to God in moments of struggle, sadness and stress. As believers we aren't promised sunshine and rainbows all the time. In actuality we're promised a great deal of struggle. It's when the struggles come and you begin to perceive opportunities to grow closer to and learn from the one you claim as savior that things change and faith matures....with anything in this life it just takes time.
in life things "get better" for You when you step on other people heads, when they get worse for someone else, the competitor, when you beat them for ressources, jobs, partners of reproduction . When you win the struggle for survival. But for each winner there s always a loser, did you ever think of it? I guess you reassure yourself by thinking it was God will and that you deserved it better than them cause you re a bigger , purer believer...when in fact it's just cruel, cold, blind natural selection. You won cause you had what it took, and they didnt, so fuck them.
You can sugarcoat it all you want, intrinsically we re all brutal animals fighting for limited ressources who convince themselves they are the good ones and the other are the bad ones. The others think the same btw.
Faith is mind gymnastics, basically you give a meaning to things who have none fabricating nonsense to justify the fact you re going to kill them instead of being killed by them. As long as it works for you, this non sense makes more sense, reinforce itself. Self fulfilling prophecy. But do you ever think about the other people who lost when you won? No. You ignore them. Except if you have an interest in helping them. If you have none you simply ignore them and tell yourself "it was god will, all is well". No one was looking at it all from the sky, it's just an animal fighting another animal and there's no spectator. The one who adapts survive, the other one fails and disapear. Religion allows one to convince himself he is innocent and on the "right" side while the other was on the wrong side. We invented it to alleviate the weight of our responsability. He failed , died, well good riddance and good for me, it was "deserved".
Every believer , whatever his religion, self convince himself that some kind of god or justice granted him victory, but it's all bullshit. Some people are just stronger, better prepared to win the struggle for survival, while others are conditionned to fail cause they re weaker. Religion, spirituality is a mask that hides our true animal nature.
Look at bigro for example, he pretends to be a wise , kind humanist, while at the same time he injects steroids to impress and dominate other animals in his daily life. This is pure hypocrisy, complete bullshit.
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and you know this how? quantum physicists would say there is.
There is nothing to understand other than that we re animals reproducing blindly the strategies of survival embeded in our genes and taught or learnt by /from other animals in order to insure our survival at the expense of other life forms if we dont need them. You can sugarcoat the whole thing all you want, that's the ultimate and definitive truth and reality.
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in life things "get better" for You when you step on other people heads, when they get worse for someone else, the competitor, when you beat them for ressources, jobs, partners of reproduction . When you win the struggle for survival. But for each winner there s always a loser, did you ever think of it? I guess you reassure yourself by thinking it was God will and that you deserved it better than them cause you re a bigger , purer believer...when in fact it's just cruel, cold, blind natural selection. You won cause you had what it took, and they didnt, so fuck them.
You can sugarcoat it all you want, intrinsically we re all brutal animals fighting for limited ressources who convince themselves they are the good ones and the other are the bad ones. The others think the same btw.
Faith is mind gymnastics, basically you give a meaning to things who have none fabricating nonsense to justify the fact you re going to kill them instead of being killed by them. As long as it works for you, this non sense makes more sense, reinforce itself. Self fulfilling prophecy. But do you ever think about the other people who lost when you won? No. You ignore them. Except if you have an interest in helping them. If you have none you simply ignore them and tell yourself "it was god will, all is well". No one was looking at it all from the sky, it's just an animal fighting another animal and there's no spectator. The one who adapts survive, the other one fails and disapear. Religion allows one to convince himself he is innocent and on the "right" side while the other was on the wrong side. We invented it to alleviate the weight of our responsability. He failed , died, well good riddance and good for me, it was "deserved".
Every believer , whatever his religion, self convince himself that some kind of god or justice granted him victory, but it's all bullshit. Some people are just stronger, better prepared to win the struggle for survival, while others are conditionned to fail cause they re weaker. Religion, spirituality is a mask that hides our true animal nature.
Look at bigro for example, he pretends to be a wise , kind humanist, while at the same time he injects steroids to impress and dominate other animals in his daily life. This is pure hypocrisy, complete bullshit.
Total nonsense. Empathy has been one of the major reasons humans have survived and flourished as a species. Humans are not solitary animals neither are elephants, wolves and a countless other animals.
You have a lot of learning to do still. We will see if you ever get there or not.
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There is nothing to understand other than that we re animals reproducing blindly the strategies of survival embeded in our genes and taught or learnt by /from other animals in order to insure our survival at the expense of other life forms if we dont need them. You can sugarcoat the whole thing all you want, that's the ultimate and definitive truth and reality.
Another reason why you are dead wrong when it comes to humans is the dramatic historical decline in violence among humans and the continuing trend. If your bullshit were to be believed, all the facts, evidence and science would have to be wrong.
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There is nothing to understand other than that we re animals reproducing blindly the strategies of survival embeded in our genes and taught or learnt by /from other animals in order to insure our survival at the expense of other life forms if we dont need them. You can sugarcoat the whole thing all you want, that's the ultimate and definitive truth and reality.
you have the ultimate and definitive truth and reality....no better than a religious nut.
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you have the ultimate and definitive truth and reality....no better than a religious nut.
What do you mean by truth? In regards to what?
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There does seem to be intelligent design to some extent in the universe, in nature and in our very being. One can look to the golden ratio and the Fibonacci sequence for starters, tons of mathematical equations found all thru out nature, the universe and our self. Even in our DNA coding the Fibonacci sequence is present and their ratio there being almost identical to Phi. Countless examples, makes for an interesting look into, brushing everything off to randomness seems a bit close minded
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There does seem to be intelligent design to some extent in the universe, in nature and in our very being. One can look to the golden ratio and the Fibonacci sequence for starters, tons of mathematical equations found all thru out nature, the universe and our self. Even in our DNA coding the Fibonacci sequence is present and its ratio there being almost identical to Phi. Countless examples, makes for an interesting look into, brushing everything off to randomness seems a bit close minded
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people were relieved of a dead weight which meant less stress that was producing nothing but suffering, and this means better odds of survival...that's why they felt better. Actually they re happy she finally died. And she probably felt it which probably didnt help her get any better.
This is not correct and I'll leave it at that.
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in life things "get better" for You when you step on other people heads, when they get worse for someone else, the competitor, when you beat them for ressources, jobs, partners of reproduction . When you win the struggle for survival. But for each winner there s always a loser, did you ever think of it? I guess you reassure yourself by thinking it was God will and that you deserved it better than them cause you re a bigger , purer believer...when in fact it's just cruel, cold, blind natural selection. You won cause you had what it took, and they didnt, so fuck them.
You can sugarcoat it all you want, intrinsically we re all brutal animals fighting for limited ressources who convince themselves they are the good ones and the other are the bad ones. The others think the same btw.
Faith is mind gymnastics, basically you give a meaning to things who have none fabricating nonsense to justify the fact you re going to kill them instead of being killed by them. As long as it works for you, this non sense makes more sense, reinforce itself. Self fulfilling prophecy. But do you ever think about the other people who lost when you won? No. You ignore them. Except if you have an interest in helping them. If you have none you simply ignore them and tell yourself "it was god will, all is well". No one was looking at it all from the sky, it's just an animal fighting another animal and there's no spectator. The one who adapts survive, the other one fails and disapear. Religion allows one to convince himself he is innocent and on the "right" side while the other was on the wrong side. We invented it to alleviate the weight of our responsability. He failed , died, well good riddance and good for me, it was "deserved".
Every believer , whatever his religion, self convince himself that some kind of god or justice granted him victory, but it's all bullshit. Some people are just stronger, better prepared to win the struggle for survival, while others are conditionned to fail cause they re weaker. Religion, spirituality is a mask that hides our true animal nature.
Look at bigro for example, he pretends to be a wise , kind humanist, while at the same time he injects steroids to impress and dominate other animals in his daily life. This is pure hypocrisy, complete bullshit.
I read what you wrote and I could respond at length, but what it comes down to is that I'm going to continue living my life trying to show others love and helping them recognize the value Christ places on them. The only audience I need is his.
I just dont live my life and perceive others the way you do. I used to (to a degree) but Christ changed my heart radically.
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in life things "get better" for You when you step on other people heads, when they get worse for someone else, the competitor, when you beat them for ressources, jobs, partners of reproduction . When you win the struggle for survival. But for each winner there s always a loser, did you ever think of it? I guess you reassure yourself by thinking it was God will and that you deserved it better than them cause you re a bigger , purer believer...when in fact it's just cruel, cold, blind natural selection. You won cause you had what it took, and they didnt, so fuck them.
You can sugarcoat it all you want, intrinsically we re all brutal animals fighting for limited ressources who convince themselves they are the good ones and the other are the bad ones. The others think the same btw.
Faith is mind gymnastics, basically you give a meaning to things who have none fabricating nonsense to justify the fact you re going to kill them instead of being killed by them. As long as it works for you, this non sense makes more sense, reinforce itself. Self fulfilling prophecy. But do you ever think about the other people who lost when you won? No. You ignore them. Except if you have an interest in helping them. If you have none you simply ignore them and tell yourself "it was god will, all is well". No one was looking at it all from the sky, it's just an animal fighting another animal and there's no spectator. The one who adapts survive, the other one fails and disapear. Religion allows one to convince himself he is innocent and on the "right" side while the other was on the wrong side. We invented it to alleviate the weight of our responsability. He failed , died, well good riddance and good for me, it was "deserved".
Every believer , whatever his religion, self convince himself that some kind of god or justice granted him victory, but it's all bullshit. Some people are just stronger, better prepared to win the struggle for survival, while others are conditionned to fail cause they re weaker. Religion, spirituality is a mask that hides our true animal nature.
Look at bigro for example, he pretends to be a wise , kind humanist, while at the same time he injects steroids to impress and dominate other animals in his daily life. This is pure hypocrisy, complete bullshit.
This guy is a fucking moron
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Total nonsense. Empathy has been one of the major reasons humans have survived and flourished as a species. Humans are not solitary animals neither are elephants, wolves and a countless other animals.
You have a lot of learning to do still. We will see if you ever get there or not.
we only feel empathy toward people we need, who can maintain or improve our own odds of survival or those of our loved ones , and we ignore the rest, empathy is selective. You only have empathy toward people you share interests with, and you hate and want to eradicate those who think differently are a threat to your own system of belief.
Humans have survived because they were smarter -better at killing other life forms, enslave them, or kill each others- and had luck. At some point some events will happen and they wont be able to adapt anymore . Mankind will probably disapear destroying itself before it is destroyed by some natural cataclysm. Somehow mankind destroying itself is of natural cause tho, as everything is "natural", a product of nature. We will never leave the earth or meet other alien life forms. In fact evolution probably happened somewhere else on another blue planets with a star, and it probably always ended the same way; it destroys itself before leaving, because that's what animals do, they kill , kill and kill until there s nothing more to kill then they kill themselves.
You re the one spewing bullshits. You pretend to believe strictly in science, well science says we re just animals randomly killing each others over limited ressources and that at some point we wont be able to adapt and will disapear. You re an hypocrit you know, cause you re not even able to accept how far your own system of beliefs goes and need to reassure yourself by hugging your dogs and making cupcakes. In the end you ll die just like everyone else, whatever the amount of people you kill before biting the dust.
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we only feel empathy toward people we need, who can maintain or improve our own odds of survival or those of our loved ones , and we ignore the rest, empathy is selective. You only have empathy toward people you share interests with, and you hate and want to eradicate those who think differently are a threat to your own system of belief.
Humans have survived because they were smarter -better at killing other life forms, enslave them, or kill each others- and had luck. At some point some events will happen and they wont be able to adapt anymore . Mankind will probably disapear destroying itself before it is destroyed by some natural cataclysm. Somehow mankind destroying itself is of natural cause tho, as everything is "natural", a product of nature. We will never leave the earth or meet other alien life forms. In fact evolution probably happened somewhere else on another blue planets with a star, and it probably always ended the same way; it destroys itself before leaving, because that's what animals do, they kill , kill and kill until there s nothing more to kill then they kill themselves.
You re the one spewing bullshits. You pretend to believe strictly in science, well science says we re just animals randomly killing each others over limited ressources and that at some point we wont be able to adapt and will disapear. You re an hypocrit you know, cause you re not even able to accept how far your own system of beliefs goes and need to reassure yourself by hugging your dogs and making cupcakes. In the end you ll die just like everyone else, whatever the amount of people you kill before biting the dust.
Not even close what "Science says" you fucking moron. What can I expect, a few months ago you thought Jesus Christ was going to save you. You really have a poor understanding of anything Science related and especially when it comes to human and animal behavior.
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Atheism nas no morals, no accounting for itself, no objective standard, and it teaches that everything is time and chance acting on matter.
Atheism=blind faith
hahahahahahahaha......ye s we should believe a mystical man in the sky created everything in 7 days....scientific! ::)