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From MD
The Lowdown on Drugs: Part 3
Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray & Dorian Yates Speak Out
It’s hard to find a top amateur, much less a pro these days, who does not use growth hormone and insulin along with AAS (anabolic-androgenic steroids). Was it the same way when you competed? Do you feel they are both necessary for the look we see today at the highest levels?
SR: The sad thing is that so few of the upcoming generation even want to discuss or read about training and nutrition. They are obsessed with drugs, probably because that meshes with the “instant gratification” mentality of the world today.
DY: I used GH during my contest phases. The first times I used it were for the 1991 Night of Champions and Mr. Olympia shows. I used four IU a day while I was dieting, and I can’t say I noticed much difference adding it in. For my off-season in 1992, I doubled that to eight IU per day consistently, and saw better results. I had hit a plateau, and it helped kickstart me to the next level. I made very substantial gains that year, but unfortunately I overdieted for my first Mr. Olympia win (1992), so they were never seen. I knew I would be the biggest guy up there anyway since Haney was retired, so my concern was to be as shredded as possible.
For 1993, I did everything the same as I had the year before, including the gear and the GH, but wasn’t so overzealous with my prep. As a result, it appeared as if I had made a tremendous leap in size from the previous year. What you really saw were the gains I had made over two off-seasons.
As for insulin, I only used it in 1997 for the off-season leading up to my sixth and final Mr. Olympia win. I got bigger than ever, but it wasn’t quality muscle, and my midsection was distended. Some do believe you need to use all the things out there at your disposal. For me, insulin had a negative overall impact on my physique. It kept me from getting into my usual condition that I prided myself on. Raw mass is not the same thing as quality muscle tissue.I got a bit bigger, but at the expense of my separation, crispness and clear muscle separations. I see that same lack of separation constantly today with the guys, as well as the distended abs. I’m not sure what mechanisms are responsible. You could theorize the guts come from internal organ growth, but if that were the case, my belly would still be big.
KL: GH was still fairly new on the scene when I started competing as a pro. People made a big deal about it, and there was a lot of hype surrounding it. Now I need to clarify what I said about not changing anything about what I used, because I did try GH twice. When I won the Arnold Classic in 1996 at 257 pounds, I used it twice a day every day for the last four weeks right up to the show. I also used insulin for that show, two IU of Humulin R after my workout with a meal, and with one more meal later on. Out of convenience, that’s when I took my GH too. Those did help me add over 15 pounds of bodyweight, but it wasn’t quality muscle, just like what Dorian experienced. To me, I looked a little soft and watery even though I won. I used both again the next year for the Arnold, and that time it threw my condition off so badly that I placed eighth. That was the lowest I ever placed in any contest, and the only time I was ever out of the top six as a pro. So I said screw this stuff. I did the Mr. Olympia that year looking sharp as usual, and then hit seven Grand Prix shows in Europe. I won all of those except the one in Russia that Ronnie came out for. All of this told me that GH and insulin were detrimental to my physique. They blew out my midsection and blurred out my clear cuts. They will get you bigger, but not better. To me, better is better than bigger!
What was a typical drug cycle for you in your competitive prime— let’s say pre-contest and off-season?
SR: There was never anything “typical” about my approach to competition. It was different every year, as I like change and variety. There was never a specific time or drug that interested me to the point where I had to watch the calendar as if it were a guide for contest training and preparation. I trained year-round for the Mr. Olympia, sometimes more intent than others. I had my rest periods and so on, but I never “charted” the time for which a cycle was going to take place as if it dictated my journey. I never counted calories, weighed my food, took measurements of my body parts or let the scale guide my progress. Nor did a cycle of drugs dictate when it was time for me to get ready for a show. I never had a “switch” that I had to click to get ready— I was always getting ready year-round.
The introduction of steroids would only come into play when I was in a process of trimming the fat while trying to retain the muscle. Different drugs were made for very different purposes, therefore there was never a “typical” drug cycle because I never needed or used the exact same drug for every aspect of my body-sculpting phase. A “car” analogy is useful here. A car is used to get from point A to point B. However, the individual buying the car has vastly different reasons for buying a “specific” car, i.e., size, looks, make, model, speed, interior space, etc. There are thousands of cars made to help give each individual who is interested in buying a car an option for the one that is suitable for him.
DY: Let me stress this is not a recommendation to anyone, only what I used. This would be the course I followed circa 1993 in the final 12 weeks before the Mr. O contest:
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test propionate – 300 milligrams
Parabolan (French trenbolone, came in 76 mg/ml ampoules) – 152 milligrams
Primobolan – 500 milligrams
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anavar – 50 milligrams
growth hormone – 8 IU
I typically also did three eight-week cycles in the off-season, and those would be made up of basics like Deca and D-bol. I would do four weeks at peak dosage, then taper down over the next four weeks before taking four weeks off and repeating. Here is the typical four-week peak off-season cycle:
WEEKLY
testosterone – 750 milligrams
Deca – 500 milligrams
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Dianabol – 50 milligrams
As I stated a couple of years back when I put those in my column, I’m sorry if these doses disappoint those of you who were expecting something more extreme.
KL: It was a simple progression. My very first cycle was just test cyp, one shot a week. I am guessing I was doing 400 milligrams per week. After I won my state show and decided I wanted to turn pro, which I did the following year, I bumped things up a bit. I took the test up to 600 milligrams a week, and added in 400 milligrams of Deca and two Anadrols a day, which is 100 milligrams per day or 700 milligrams per week. That was my off-season cycle where I put on 30 pounds between the 1990 and 1991 amateur shows. For my prep, I would add in two amps of Winstrol V, which came in 50-milligram amps, twice a week, so that’s 200 milligrams a week of Winny. At four weeks out from the show, I dropped the test, the Deca and the Anadrol. The test and Deca were long-acting, so they kept working for another couple of weeks I’m sure. At two weeks out from the show, I started taking 20 milligrams per day of Halotestin tabs. So I would go into the shows on Winstrol and Halo. The longest my cycles ever were was 12 weeks, and that was later on. They were usually eight weeks in the early years.
Dorian, you are well aware of the reaction that column got. People outright called you a liar and say you downplayed your doses to appear as if you didn’t rely on large amounts to look the way you did.
DY: Well look, that cycle I listed above for prep was from 1993, and it was roughly 1,500 milligrams total. I never said I didn’t increase it at times over the years that followed. I was very meticulous, and kept records of all my workouts, meals and drug regimens. At one point, I did use as much as 2,500 milligrams per week in my off-season, but I didn’t see any further benefits than I had with 1,500. Again, everything I had was real and potent. Parabolan came in 76-milligram ampoules, and it was very strong. Nobody I ever talked to used more than three of those a week. I hear about guys now using 1,000 milligrams a week of tren, which is outrageous. If you have gifted genetics, you really won’t need mega doses. I honestly believe Ronnie Coleman was truly natural when he turned pro in 1991 at 215 pounds.
The guys who come to me taking the highest dosages are typically frustrated amateurs who lack the genetics to become pros. They try to make up for it by using tons and tons of gear, but it doesn’t work that way. Drug dealers want you to believe anyone can be a pro bodybuilder, even compete in the Mr. Olympia, if only you are willing to take more and more drugs. It’s not true, and the guys who need to hear that are in denial and refuse to listen. It’s like you’re crushing their dreams, but meanwhile they are playing havoc with their health for what?
What were your favorite compounds for the off-season and pre-contest? Were there any drugs you personally never cared for?
SR: I won’t answer that, and here’s why. As a bodybuilder who loved the “purity” of bodybuilding, i.e., training, competition, posing, preparation and camaraderie, using and taking steroids was never an enjoyable aspect for me— either taking them or discussing them. I had a personal disdain for all forms of drugs in our sport, as I saw them as a necessary evil that coexisted with my first love. The last thing I want to do is rattle off things I used, as I feel that would only be seen as an endorsement for them and steroid use in general, and would encourage certain individuals out there to seek out various compounds because “that’s what Shawn Ray used. If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for me too!” No, I won’t play into that.
DY: I’ll answer. Equipoise or EQ was something I liked for any part of the training year. Good old D-bol was the first drug I ever used, and it’s still my sentimental favorite. All the guys in the USA loved Winstrol. I thought it sucked! The injection sites were always very painful for a while, and I just didn’t think it was anything special.
KL: Test cyp, Deca and Anadrol always worked well for me. Those were the basics, just like basic lifts— you couldn’t really go wrong with them. I can’t say I ever tried anything that I didn’t respond to or reacted badly to, for the simple fact that I didn’t try a whole lot of things.
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The Lowdown On Drugs Part 2
Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray & Dorian Yates Speak Out!
In bodybuilding there’s no more contentious issue than drug use exacerbated by the variety of conflicting advice being spread through the Internet. That’s why we went to these living legends of the sport, all of whom are long since retired, to get the real scoop on drugs: their opinions on them, their experience as users and more. Nothing was off limits, and the frankness of some answers will surprise you. Remember, this is not secondhand or thirdhand information— for once it’s directly from the champion’s mouths. (Originally published in the Feb 2015 edition of MD Magazine)
There is a lot of arguing about the amount of steroids the “average” pro uses these days. Some claim the total milligrams for gear each week ranges from 3,000 to 10,000. Do you believe some pros and top amateurs are using outrageous amounts? And if so, do they actually need that much or are they using far more than they need to?
SR: I defer to the previous answer I just gave you. Many of these pros take large doses of anabolics, HGH, insulin, alcohol, tobacco, food, supplements and so on. At the end of the day, as an individual with my own career, issues, personal life, family and business, do you really think I’d spend five minutes of my life wondering about what another bodybuilder is putting in his body? I can’t stop him, I more than likely don’t even know him …. so what’s the point of or the use of me having knowledge of what he is taking? I can’t use any information on drug use another person is doing and apply it to myself, as if we will achieve the exact same end result with two entirely different DNAs. I am Shawn Ray Productions, meaning my focus and energy goes into me and mine, and what works for me is a result of knowing my body— end of story. Yet there does seem to be a mistaken belief out there in the trenches that duplicating a specific person’s specific drug cycle will yield the exact same results in anyone, essentially giving you that person’s exact physique! That’s so off base it’s not even worth debating with anyone.
KL: I never knew what people used back in the day, and I don’t know what they use now either. I only know what I used and what worked for me. At some point, the receptors have to shut down. There has to be a point where only some of what is being taken is actually having an effect. You talk about guys allegedly using 10 grams of gear a week. Come on! That’s enough drugs for a 2,000-pound horse, not a 250-pound human. I don’t buy it. And if anyone really is using doses like that, they’re either not too bright, don’t care about their health one bit, or both.
Hold off on answering, Dorian, I want to add to that. One reason some have speculated that today’s bodybuilders use so much more is that the drugs now are often fake or terribly underdosed, whereas in the old days, gear was typically far more legitimate and potent. Do you agree or disagree?
DY: I do hear about very heavy doses being used nowadays. People come to me in the U.K. and Spain to be trained, and often they are on 5,000 milligrams a week or more of gear. That’s totally unnecessary. And I do believe the lower quality and potency of what’s around these days is part of it. In the ‘90s, everything we used was pharmaceutical grade. 250 milligrams of test was always 250 milligrams, and you didn’t have to worry that it was 200 or 100 milligrams. There was no black-market, underground gear yet. Now, it’s the total opposite. There is very little pharma-grade gear about; it’s almost all underground stuff made God-knows-where by God-knows-who. So how can you know what you’re really getting? Is it the drug it’s supposed to be? Is it the dose it claims to be on the label? I sincerely doubt it. There is far more profit to be made in substituting cheaper drugs and by underdosing products. I hear guys tell me they are on three of four grams of test a week. Bollocks! If you were really using that much test, your blood pressure would be through the roof and you would be retaining so much water you’d look like a blowfish.
SR: I personally think there is a lot of fake gear on the market, and the athletes fail to exercise their due diligence to test what they take to ensure the quality is accurate. However, I also know that the vast majority of bodybuilders today, both pro and amateur, start their careers using anabolic steroids without ever building a foundation or a firm base from which to build upon. Hence, if you start your bodybuilding off with the introduction of steroids, after the first phase of initial gains, you have nowhere to go as far as building upon “quality muscle” because it was all built synthetically. This leaves guys with bloat and swelling, but no real hardcore foundation of muscle that was built by the sweat of the brow! When we talk about the lack of muscle quality these days versus in days gone by, this factors in heavily.
KL: Steroids back then were higher quality. Fewer companies made them, and nearly all of them were major pharmaceutical companies. Syntex used to make Anadrol 2902 tabs that were 50 milligrams each and very strong. The stuff out there now can’t compare to it. The GH being used then was Humatrope by Eli Lilly, and it was the best. Now, people get it only from AIDS patients. Most guys use cheap Chinese crap that’s much weaker. The Winstrol V we used to use came in amps and would crystallize in the syringe. Now there are tons and tons of different drugs from so many underground labs I’ve never heard of. Guys try to ask me what I think of this or that drug, and rarely do I have any idea what they’re talking about. But I am sure the gear out there now is junk compared to what we had 20 years ago.
The prevailing attitude still seems to be that “more is better” when it comes to drugs among many of today’s bodybuilders. How much do you think an athlete actually needs, or is that a very individual, case-by-case issue? Do some guys require far less than others, while others legitimately need to use very large doses to make the same gains or hold the same size that others do?
SR: There is no question the old adage of “more is better” is applicable in today’s bodybuilding mentality, based on the size of the athletes. But make no mistake— in my era of the ‘90s, the bodybuilders were at an average all-time high as it relates to size and mass! There was no bigger era in the sport than the ‘90s, and I can honestly say I bet they were using a fraction of what today’s athletes are using overall. The proof is in the “muscle quality.” Just look at the detail and condition of the pros in the ‘90s by comparison, including the biggest guys, and you will see much more clarity, separation and density based on the hardcore foundation the guys built for themselves back then, and the longevity of their careers too. They knew it would be a marathon and not a sprint. How many of the guys today are here one year and gone the next?
DY: Speaking for myself, I took as little as possible to get the desired effects. If results were not satisfactory, I would increase only as needed, which is the logical way to go about it. If you can get good results on 1,000 milligrams, for example, why take 2,000? I knew powerlifters who would use as much as two grams of test cypionate a week in the ‘90s. That was crazy to us. I can’t comment on what the average amounts used or needed are. I only know what I did and what worked for me. Up until my first pro win at the 1991 Night of Champions, I always kept my total amount under 1,000 milligrams a week. Taking large amounts of test simply was not done in the ‘90s, from what conversations I did have with other guys. We would stack a moderate amount of test with either EQ [Equipoise] or Deca, and use orals with that. Now, with all the access to underground gear, it’s very common apparently for guys to use three to five grams of test alone before adding in other compounds. I really can’t tell you a whole lot about what my peers used, because I was isolated in Birmingham and not privy to what the boys over in the States were doing. Regardless, it wouldn’t have affected me. I did things my own way and could care less what others did.
KL: I think how much a person needs is probably a case-by-case basis. I mean, if you look at doses for many different prescription medications, the doses will vary for different people. One thing I never agreed with was the idea that as you went on, you needed to continue increasing your doses to keep seeing the same results. I never increased my amounts, though I did make small changes. My cycles went from six weeks to eight, and I added in Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen. Putting on size was never that hard for me. My off-season weight was about 278. At my first Mr. Olympia, I was 227 pounds, shredded to the bone. That was probably my best condition ever. I had been 233 winning the Night of Champions a few months before that. I competed many other times between 240 and 250, with my highest stage weight of 257. All that really changed was my training and my diet.
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The Lowdown On Drugs Part 1
Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray & Dorian Yates Speak Out
There have always been plenty of lies and misinformation about steroids and other PEDs (performance-enhancing drugs). Things took a turn for the worse as the Internet made it possible to disseminate bad information at a rate and scale previously unimagined. In recent years, we’ve seen a flood of self-proclaimed drug experts, many of whom post anonymously, hold court on which drugs to use, how to use them and in what amounts. More than a few gain credibility with their target audience by claiming to be current or former pro bodybuilders, or to be advisers to them, even going so far as to list in detail the drug regimens of top bodybuilders, past and present. Understandably, their ulterior motives typically entail soliciting their own consulting services as drug gurus, or in some cases actually selling drugs.
Getting the pros to talk about drug use, and particularly their own, is a tricky situation at best. First you have the legal ramifications of admitting to illegal drug use, as well as the damage to your public image (even though all of us who have been around the sport for any length of time are fully aware that drugs are part of the game). That’s why we went to these living legends of the sport, all of whom are long since retired, to get the real scoop on drugs: their opinions on them, their experience as users and more. Nothing was off limits, and the frankness of some answers will surprise you. Remember, this is not secondhand or thirdhand information— for once it’s directly from the champion’s mouths. (Originally published in the February 2015 edition of MD Magazine.)
How old were you when you did your first cycle of steroids? Do you feel you were old enough? What was the cycle, and what type of results did you experience?
SR: I had just turned 20 and was coming off my overall victory in the NPC Teenage National Championship in Atlanta, Georgia. It was a time of trepidation for me. I knew this chemical aspect was present, however I just never wanted it to be a part of my economy as an athlete. Yet I also knew there were beneficial aspects to help growth, recovery and condition, and that these drugs were designed to aid and assist bodybuilders in their progress and competitive edge. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t scared, but like the majority of bodybuilders with any credible measure of success, I too would have to cross this bridge to get to the other side. I was on the verge of becoming my own person, making adult decisions, and this would for sure be one of them. I did a very light cycle of Anavar and Winstrol V for six weeks for that contest, and found myself in the victory circle again, a mere five months after becoming the best teenage bodybuilder in America. I was now the best junior champion in the world, at 20 years old.
What was strange to me about the introduction of steroids into my training regimen was that I had already believed in my “genetic potential” by winning all those teenage competitions over the past three years, but I came to doubt myself as I grew out of that division because I would be competing against older guys who were bigger and more mature than I was. I felt drugs would be a necessary addition at the next level of competition, based on the information I was constantly receiving from those who were more experienced in the game than I was. I felt like I trained a bit harder, with more purpose and hunger while using the drugs because I was told, “Steroids don’t just work because you take them, you have to make them work for you by training harder than ever before and dieting harder than everyone else!” It seemed like a psychological mindfuck of sorts, but I also knew that I was desperately trying to dot the I’s and cross the T’s to be the best in the world, not simply be pretty good!
The bar was raised very high for me with each victory, and my purpose in the sport was constantly being put to the test in the form of my mentor, John Brown. He wouldn’t allow me to become complacent, and took my training to another level once I introduced steroids. We trained longer and harder than ever before, took naps necessary for complete recovery, and also increased calories for growth and recovery. These were things that were not a part of my teenage contest preps, because victory came easy to me in those years. Now that I had moved on to the next level of competition, victory would have to be earned because the landscape and playing field would be quite different! These were no longer other kids I would be up against, but grown men with many years more training than I had.
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DY: It was 1985. I was 23 years old and had decided to enter my first competition after a year and a half of training, in which I had made excellent progress. I knew the others who would be competing would be using gear, and I wanted to even the playing field. It was a very deliberate decision that I didn’t take lightly, and I did as much reading as I could first. At 23, I feel I was old enough. At that age, you are fully matured physically, you’ve reached your full adult height, and so on. Even though I hadn’t been training terribly long, I had already managed to develop my physique to a decent level. Looking back, I may have been able to win that contest without using anything. I did one six-week “building” cycle of 20 milligrams of Dianabol a day, which took me from 215 at 5’11” to 235. Those were the most dramatic results I ever saw from steroids. I took six weeks off the gear, then at eight weeks out from my contest I began using 15 milligrams of Anavar per day, as well as one shot of Primobolan a week, which was 200 milligrams. I competed at around 210-215 and won that contest. EFBB [Britain’s equivalent of the NPC] officials were there and convinced me to represent the United Kingdom the following weekend as our heavyweight at the IFBB World Games. I placed seventh, and competed with men like Berry de Mey and Matt Mendenhall, both of whom were the top amateur heavyweights in their respective nations at that time.
KL: Like I said, I did my first cycle of steroids when I was 24 years old, almost 25, at six weeks out from my first contest. By then, I was a grown man and making all my own decisions in all aspects of life, since both of my parents had passed away. My cousin Chico came over to my house with a bottle of testosterone cypionate and a syringe, and said, “Here you go.” But I had no idea how to load the syringe and do the shot, so I asked him to please do that for me. I don’t even know how much he gave me, but I had one shot a week for six weeks. That was it. The first week, nothing happened. Another week went by, still nothing. I was starting to think steroids didn’t do anything, but in the third week I started getting stronger all of a sudden, and looking fuller. I was training at a little health club called National Fitness, but at that point I decided to join a Powerhouse near me in Linthicum, Maryland, where a lot of serious bodybuilders and powerlifters went. There were a lot of guys using gear in there … and a few guys there sold it, too. I didn’t know I was supposed to diet for the show. I was working in construction all day back then, so that burned up a lot of calories. My dinners would be a Double Whopper with cheese from Burger King, and ice cream from McDonald’s. Before that six-week cycle, I was 198 pounds. By the end, I was 206 and much harder looking. I won the heavyweight and overall. A year later, I did the same thing at the NPC Junior Nationals and then turned pro at the Nationals in the fall of ‘91 at 236 pounds.
Did you believe in taking time completely off drugs for portions of the year, or did you always “cruise” on a low dose?
SR: As soon as the Mr. Olympia concluded every September, I remained drug free until the new year, every year.
DY: As I said, I would intersperse two four-week periods between my three eight-week cycles in the off-season. Aside from that, I was consistently on, but my doses were moderate.
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KL: About halfway through my pro career, I had become famous for how much time I took off gear. It would be a full six months out of the year that I didn’t use anything. People thought I was crazy or lazy for doing it that way, and not trying to be huge all the time. But once I saw how well I responded to the juice, I realized I didn’t need much of it, and I sure didn’t need to be on it all the time. I could start up at 12 weeks out from a contest, and put all my muscle back on and get ripped by the time the show came around.
We see steroid cycles of top pros, both past and present, posted online— always from an anonymous source that claims to have coached the athlete in question, trained with them or known someone who did one of those. Have you ever seen one that seemed accurate, or do you think they are all completely fabricated because most people will accept them as being legit?
SR: I have never seriously cared nor have I ever been interested in what other athletes take or do regarding drug use. I personally believe what they do is personal to them and of no concern to me. I liken this attitude to another person’s sex life. I mean, really … what business is it of ours anyway, and to whose benefit? It’s their life and their journey— let them live it as they please and do what they want, so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.
DY: I can’t speak for all of them, though I have seen a few attributed to me that were absolutely fake. I saw one site that had the supposed cycles of everyone from Steve Reeves, Arnold to 50 Cent. Obviously most or all of them are made up. I talked in MD about what I used 20 years ago; I’m sure things have changed since then. But look, I’m retired now and I have the freedom to say what I want and be honest. Current athletes have pressure from sponsors and officials not to discuss their usage.
But back to the cycles I have seen posted that I supposedly did— they were all bullshit. Who knows what I used? Even my wife at the time didn’t. The only guys who did were my training partners at the time. Leroy Davis was my longtime training partner, and he typically used the same things I did. I can assure you he isn’t posting our cycles on the Internet.
KL: Unless the cycle came directly from the pro himself, like we are doing in this article, it’s almost certainly bullshit. People try to pass off so much crap as facts online, when it’s either something they came up with or just their opinion. I can’t imagine any top pro taking huge amounts of drugs for years without suffering serious health problems. It’s just satisfying for a lot of guys out there to see these crazy cycles that the champions supposedly do and say, “OK, that’s why he looks like that and won all those shows, he did tons and tons of drugs— that’s why I don’t look like him.”
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Shawn Ray is still the biggest dick , they shouldn't have talked to him.
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Haha. Shawn rays a dork.
Good article though.
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3 mass monstas that did it on TRT doses. Legit.
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Shawn Ray is still the biggest dick , they shouldn't have talked to him.
Haha. Shawn does have a point, though. Today's comperiods would take what he says and try and duplicate it, to get his results... And we know what will happen they will become disappointed and blame him.
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Shawn once again proving what a fucking prick he is.
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3 mass monstas that did it on TRT doses. Legit.
You spelled monsters incorrectly.
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Shawn once again proving what a fucking prick he is.
Nothing in the article about prolapsed anuses.
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Haha. Shawn does have a point, though. Today's comperiods would take what he says and try and duplicate it, to get his results... And we know what will happen they will become disappointed and blame him.
No it's just his way of not saying anything
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Haha. Shawn does have a point, though. Today's comperiods would take what he says and try and duplicate it, to get his results... And we know what will happen they will become disappointed and blame him.
Chances are guys now are already taking much more than he ever did before they even competed
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No it's just his way of not saying anything
True. "I am not answering that question"
I think that Bob Paris had said that he didn't enjoy the drug aspect and that they were a necessary evil. Chances are guys now are already taking much more than he ever did before they even competed
Yep, and many of them still don't look as good as he did at his last Olympia or when he won his Pro card.
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LOL at anyone who thinks a guy like levrone remembers exactly how much gear he took 20 years ago. get real..
Dorian ok maybe….probably has it written down somewhere in an old notebook he was way more calculated. I don't think kevin really cared enough to know what he was taking. Just that they worked pretty good for him ;D
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I remember back in 2000 when I was a young buck, I e-mailed Shawn about steroids, as in what to take as a young guy and he flamed the fuck out of me with an e-mail that I'll sum up with he aint telling me shit, train hard, and it's now chemical warfare in the IFBB. My feelings were hurt. I did recover. Still a fan of Shawn the bodybuilder.
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I remember back in 2000 when I was a young buck, I e-mailed Shawn about steroids, as in what to take as a young guy and he flamed the fuck out of me with an e-mail that I'll sum up with he aint telling me shit, train hard, and it's now chemical warfare in the IFBB. My feelings were hurt. I did recover. Still a fan of Shawn the bodybuilder.
He did state on here that he never used insulin. My friend kevin talked with him about that and asked directly and he answered
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I remember back in 2000 when I was a young buck, I e-mailed Shawn about steroids, as in what to take as a young guy and he flamed the fuck out of me with an e-mail that I'll sum up with he aint telling me shit, train hard, and it's now chemical warfare in the IFBB. My feelings were hurt. I did recover. Still a fan of Shawn the bodybuilder.
Seems like he has kept that stand. He must have really hate that aspect of it. Which may be another reason why he didn't blow up to 230+ onstage.
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I'm not on the juice myself, but I don't get the whole mega dose thing. It's common sense that some people will respond to drugs better than others, just the same as how antibiotics work better in some than in others. If Dorian Yates is gonna come out and say he used and then give his cycle, why would anyone doubt it? Doesn't make sense to me.
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You spelled monsters incorrectly.
Thanks.
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I'm not on the juice myself, but I don't get the whole mega dose thing. It's common sense that some people will respond to drugs better than others, just the same as how antibiotics work better in some than in others. If Dorian Yates is gonna come out and say he used and then give his cycle, why would anyone doubt it? Doesn't make sense to me.
Gee idk…maybe because he wants people to think he has great genetics?
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Seems like he has kept that stand. He must have really hate that aspect of it. Which may be another reason why he didn't blow up to 230+ onstage.
I don't think he was much more than 230 in the off season. IMO this article is legit. The key factors in here are real vs. fake. They were dead on with the potency between the two.
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I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit
give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week
blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage
and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.
Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip
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Ronnie was natural until 93? Gifted dude
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I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit
give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week
blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage
and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.
Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip
These assholes really piss me off with that shit. I'd rather not hear anything. I mean Yates of all people changed bodybuilding and he expects us to believe that shit. He's the one that ushered in the chemical era.
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the bit that really doesn't add up re dorian is this
he says he only added a bit of gear when needed and didn't up the doses. but with high when he didn't get the desired response he doubled the dose. so his philosophy with high was different to gear. I don't buy it.
he also used to knock round with borresen and kerry Kayes. Kerry once told me on the phone his beginners cycle
3 ml of just for 6 weeks
then 4ml of primo for weeks 7 through 10
with 50mg dbol a day.
so according to dorian, kerry was telling beginners to do dorian levels? it doesn't add up.
also he then admits doing 2.5g a week.
PB used to recommend 1ml of test a day and 50-100mg of orals a day as a minimum.
mentzer had it right when he said the ones who say they take the least are the ones who take the most.
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Always amusing to hear this BS. It's funny how their cycles always seem to change during different interviews. They lie so much they can't even keep their lies consistent. :D
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I don't think he was much more than 230 in the off season. IMO this article is legit. The key factors in here are real vs. fake. They were dead on with the potency between the two.
Of all people coach u actually believe these guys are telling the truth?? After all they are pro bbers haha
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Seems like he has kept that stand. He must have really hate that aspect of it. Which may be another reason why he didn't blow up to 230+ onstage.
No it's cause Shawn can't hold his condition unlike Dexter at higher body weights. Another reason why he competed at 210 at his best; anything over he didn't look good, he's just saying that as an excuse
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The only thing i trust is about french parabolan. Few guy at my old gym in France used them in the mid 90's. They can't support more than 3 amp a week.
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I don't think he was much more than 230 in the off season. IMO this article is legit. The key factors in here are real vs. fake. They were dead on with the potency between the two.
He was about 240-245 in 98.No it's cause Shawn can't hold his condition unlike Dexter at higher body weights. Another reason why he competed at 210 at his best; anything over he didn't look good, he's just saying that as an excuse
True, but he had competed for yrs at 205, maybe he was so used to doing it that way. Instead of incrementally gaining weight each yr.
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I found it was better on 750mg of test a week than over 1500mg. Blood pressure felt high enough at 750.
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I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.
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I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.
for arguments sake,lets say dorian's 1500/2500 then was/is equivalent due to blend/potency as todays 3-5 grams or more,,in the end its the same 'large amounts'other than some of the builds sucking due to it today...gh excluded just anabolics'doses'
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I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.
My first cycle was legit sust direct from deutch pharmacy, in original box, just produced 2 month before i bought them. The most powerful stuff i've ever used, even original paki sust are not comparable to them. So i believe that 750 test, 400 deca and 100mg of adrol, legit from pharmacie worth 1500/1000/200 of ug, and it's not even comparable.
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Both honest assumptions.
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I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.
You believe them even though in other interviews they've given different information? ???
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I'm inclined to believe dorian who seems to be a fellow that tells the truth.
I also believe the drugs were 10x as strong then.
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It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face
Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA
Dorian was around 36ius daily
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dorian s the first mega dose bb
he isn't going to admit that in an interview
he is being responsible
idiots would copy his stack ion the belief they would look like him
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These guys understand that if the truth were known outside the maze of their minds we would laugh all the more heartily at their "accomplishments".
It is a truth that the less gifted you are (listening Phildo?) the more inclined you are to fall upon the needle. Later in life you find out that needle was a sword. Just ask Coleman. He's impaled himself so much in his lifetime it's amazing he has a lifetime.
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Have any of you ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.
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Have any of you ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.
Yep, that's why I'm saying no way. I've been to every Mr. O expo since 1999 except 2 or 3 and have seen Ronnie, Marcus, Nasser, Kai, Jean-Pierre and others. Dorian is lying. I remember Craig Titus himself talking about guys taking 2-3 grams. of test alone. Deny, Deny, Deny.
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Yep, that's why I'm saying no way. I've been to every Mr. O expo since 1999 except 2 or 3 and have seen Ronnie, Marcus, Nasser, Kai, Jean-Pierre and others. Dorian is lying. I remember Craig Titus himself talking about guys taking 2-3 grams. of test alone. Deny, Deny, Deny.
And yet you expect others to believe in Nibiru, in Africans sold to slavers by other Africans and then sent to America being some lost tribe of Jews and yet having (unless enslaved) the work ethic so often displayed by modern bodybuilders, i.e., none, in the end of the world via a Mayan calendar and not least of all in your completing Nursing school.
Denny's, Denny's, Denny's.
That last one is a play one your closing statement quoted above.
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If they are lying or not what Real Difference does it make to us.
At the least they acknowledge they have used P.E.D's.
And Reasonable amount, Not claiming they were Natural.
As Shaun said Would we look just like one of them if we took the same drugs & amounts
That each took. I very much doubt we would.
As they all had Differing Physiques.
Also Would I want to know their bedroom habits..No definately Not.
I Agree with what Dorian said Regarding the use of Parabolan & Trenbolone.
I was using The Real Parabolan back then along with a former MrBritain &
MrUniverse winner who trained in my gym & 2x1.5ml 76mg shots a week is all
We could handle. We tried 3 shots but after 2/3 wk had to return to the 2 shots.
And Dorian has stated the same thing many times Publicly & Privately.
How on earth it is now possible for your average gym rat to take 1000mg or
More on a regular basis. Can only be in the difference of Quality and or quantity
Of the Trenbolone Available Now.
At least they are prepared to talk of some drug usage unlike the complete hypocrisy
& denial of virtually every other athlete / sports person involved in other sports
Who continually claim to be drug free, and are most definitely Not.
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If they are lying or not what Real Difference does it make to us.
At the least they acknowledge they have used P.E.D's.
And Reasonable amount, Not claiming they were Natural.
As Shaun said Would we look just like one of them if we took the same drugs & amounts
That each took. I very much doubt we would.
As they all had Differing Physiques.
Also Would I want to know their bedroom habits..No definately Not.
I Agree with what Dorian said Regarding the use of Parabolan & Trenbolone.
I was using The Real Parabolan back then along with a former MrBritain &
MrUniverse winner who trained in my gym & 2x1.5ml 76mg shots a week is all
We could handle. We tried 3 shots but after 2/3 wk had to return to the 2 shots.
And Dorian has stated the same thing many times Publicly & Privately.
How on earth it is now possible for your average gym rat to take 1000mg or
More on a regular basis. Can only be in the difference of Quality and or quantity
Of the Trenbolone Available Now.
At least they are prepared to talk of some drug usage unlike the complete hypocrisy
& denial of virtually every other athlete / sports person involved in other sports
Who continually claim to be drug free, and are most definitely Not.
One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.
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I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit
give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week
blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage
and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.
Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip
This^^^
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Haney was using almost 3 grams a week and when he heard that Dorian was using 5 to cruise and 7 to 10 4 months out leading up to the big show, that's when Haney tapped out at the young age of 31/32...
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One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.
Not pussy.
Training hard, Pushing yourself Plus 100% Pharmaceutical Grade Gear.
Like wise, if I mentioned my lbs lifted, bodyweight, drugs taken Most would
Claim I was lying about lbs lifted/ bodyweight / drugs used... Or likely all. ::)
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Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article
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Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article
Sounds like an outbreak of Transracial is spreading!!!!!!
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I don't understand why guys think Yates is lying about dosage. He is admitting use and is retired. Why would he lie about the dose? I just know in the 70's it was a fraction of this. Many times just one Anadrol 50 or a couple Dianabol and guys blew up. Then again the stuff wasn't made in the basement of hell hole apartment building in China. It was made in a major pharmaceutical factory in the US.
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I don't understand why guys think Yates is lying about dosage. He is admitting use and is retired. Why would he lie about the dose? I just know in the 70's it was a fraction of this. Many times just one Anadrol 50 or a couple Dianabol and guys blew up. Then again the stuff wasn't made in the basement of hell hole apartment building in China. It was made in a major pharmaceutical factory in the US.
Cause these are pro bbers in a industry of felons, drug dealers, drug problems, g4p, people who put bodies in a trunk and set it on fire, white towels... Yes, very respectable individuals who don't lie and always tells the truth
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Yates was one of the first to use high doses of GH. He claims 8iu? He used 30-40iu, this is pretty well known, and from a very reliable person from the UK that knew him well. Yes, pharm GH too.
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Yates was one of the first to use high doses of GH. He claims 8iu? He used 30-40iu, this is pretty well known, and from a very reliable person from the UK that knew him well. Yes, pharm GH too.
Oh fuck off
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Cause these are pro bbers in a industry of felons, drug dealers, drug problems, g4p, people who put bodies in a trunk and set it on fire, white towels... Yes, very respectable individuals who don't lie and always tells the truth
Which white towels are we talking about here? Do they have skidmarks and are piled in the corner of a hotel bathroom?
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Gee idk…maybe because he wants people to think he has great genetics?
I don't think it's so much this either. Both drugs and genetics take away from they want you to perceived and believe. That they are champions because they train harder, sacrifice more, are more disciplined, stricter with their diet, research and know more about nutritional supplements.... their success all comes from within -- their drive and determination.
For them to admit how much drugs they really used diminishes their hard work and sacrifice (and they do work hard and make a lot of sacrifice. Anybody that has dieted for a show knows one aspect of the insanity they put their body's through).
Not as much with genetics as it is offset by letting people think and know how special you are.
I remember as a kid I use to hear the phrase: "Champions are made not born."
It's really the opposite. In nearly every, if not all, endeavors, the best of the best are simply gifted. Tiger Woods was world class at 19 years old. How could he have possible trained harder than anybody else being so young. I remember when they were recruiting Le Bron James to the pros right out of high school. How could he have possibly been doing any more and better than all the other college athletes that have also been shooting hoops since childhood?
In the case of bodybuilding they are all juicing to the limit, carrying around their 8 meals in tupperware, in the gym... the reason why Coleman dominated was that he simply responded better than everybody else.
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I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit
give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week
blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage
and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.
Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip
I think gear quality and potency varies widely today because of all the bathtub brewers but your are right. Nandrolone is a specific molecule and 200mgs of Deca is 200mgs of Deca whether from Organon or Balco Labs. I mean, guys get their Test levels check pretty routinely as you can buy those kits OTC when you come back at 5,000 ug/ml when the normal level is 600 ug/ml it's not like your 5000 total test is less potent than Gaspari's 5000 total test back in the day.
Bbers use so much because they have to. They are bigger and leaner than they have even been in history. You can argue they don't have the conditioning but that has to due more with skin thickness (insulin) and water retention than actual body fat.
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Oh fuck off
Okay. Great contribution, but what I said is true.
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Okay. Great contribution, but what I said is true.
I have a good friend and reputable source that Dorian was on 7676 IU of marshmallow sauce.
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2 very good posts above
From Pellius.
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Wasn't it Victor Richards claiming to be natural most of his life and taking no more that 200mgs of this or that like the filt Lee Priest.
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Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article
läl.
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Gee idk…maybe because he wants people to think he has great genetics?
He won the Mr. Olympia - he does.
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I think gear quality and potency varies widely today because of all the bathtub brewers but your are right. Nandrolone is a specific molecule and 200mgs of Deca is 200mgs of Deca whether from Organon or Balco Labs. I mean, guys get their Test levels check pretty routinely as you can buy those kits OTC when you come back at 5,000 ug/ml when the normal level is 600 ug/ml it's not like your 5000 total test is less potent than Gaspari's 5000 total test back in the day.
Bbers use so much because they have to. They are bigger and leaner than they have even been in history. You can argue they don't have the conditioning but that has to due more with skin thickness (insulin) and water retention than actual body fat.
The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.
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The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.
you got that right parker big ramy wouldnt crack the top 10 in the 90's
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Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.
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Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.
So was he lying in the other interviews he did where he gave different doses? ???
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The only thing i trust is about french parabolan. Few guy at my old gym in France used them in the mid 90's. They can't support more than 3 amp a week.
The Real Parabolan was very very good.
1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away
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Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.
Lol....you have no idea of bodybuilding.
Is this board full of parrots and stupid people with no first hand experience with drugs?
A standard bulking cylcle back in the day was an amp of testoviron and an amp of organon deca a day....then throw in 10-15 ciba dbols
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There are a lot of reasons for not telling the whole truth.
Let's say one of those guys did something idiotic and extreme. Why would he
"tell all"? What does he gain? He gains a lot of internet talk, mostly people
talking shit about him.
But then again, there are also the freaks who exaggerate what they took. If they
have this image of being crazy and wild they may think it makes them look cooler in some eyes.
The Real Parabolan was very very good.
1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away
Who do you mean by "we"? When was "back in the day"? How old are you?
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This thread will end with dealers trying to discredit three top pro's from the golden age, claiming you have to buy them 6grams a week to look decent.
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There are a lot of reasons for not telling the whole truth.
Let's say one of those guys did something idiotic and extreme. Why would he
"tell all"? What does he gain? He gains a lot of internet talk, mostly people
talking shit about him.
But then again, there are also the freaks who exaggerate what they took. If they
have this image of being crazy and wild they may think it makes them look cooler in some eyes.
Who do you mean by "we"? When was "back in the day"? How old are you?
Been on gear for 4 decades straight.
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Been on gear for 4 decades straight.
Good Man.
Like me you will have used 100%
Pharmaceutical Products.
Not so easy to get a hold of nowadays.
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I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do
I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.
What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense.
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This thread will end with dealers trying to discredit three top pro's from the golden age, claiming you have to buy them 6grams a week to look decent.
They already doing it.i got jumped by 2 above but hey you don't wanna argue with idiots . kids on these boards dont take them serious please.if a guy comes to you in gym and tell he knows from very reliable personal source how much gear gh and slin so and so pro bodybuilder is on.....Be Alarmed....this mo fo is after your money and health.
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I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do
I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.
What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense.
I bet you LLS.
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Lol....you have no idea of bodybuilding.
Is this board full of parrots and stupid people with no first hand experience with drugs?
A standard bulking cylcle back in the day was an amp of testoviron and an amp of organon deca a day....then throw in 10-15 ciba dbols
Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't say jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.
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Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.
Still pretty early to really know, or maybe they are the lucky ones who got away. Too many factors and we'll see how it plays out
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I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do
I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.
What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense. "
I can only speak for myself.
I don't deny using AAS & that they do help.
Though I had competed & won at national level in both
Powerlifting & bodybuilding Before I Took any AAS.
I was young & not informed.
Personally I wish I had the Knowledge Back then that I have now
As Not only Would I have Won on a National level,
I could have Likely Done very well or Gone on to Win at a World Class Level.
Don't talk to me about lack of training Knowledge / Work Ethic.
I know Far more & Train as Hard or harder now than I did Back
Then When Not Using.
You don't want to use Drugs in your Training Good for you.
Do Not Try To Criticise or Diminish What I have Done.
You Do Not Know Me.
I do not Try to Preach to You / or Criticise Your choice
Not to use.
I'm totally Fed up With The Holier Than Thou Blanket Attitude
Of People Like You.
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Whilst I believe the cycles could be slightly under dosed I think their general view is truthful,bodybuilding is full of guys with average genetics at best killing themselves with dosages to try and take away the genetic advantage of others.
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The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.
I believe this has more to do with the increased use, and abuse, of insulin. Not the quality and quantity of the steroids used today by the top pros. I assure you that the top IFBB pros have access to high quality hormones.
Insulin give you a different look. More of a marshmellow type of muscle like Philsulina.
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They already doing it.i got jumped by 2 above but hey you don't wanna argue with idiots . kids on these boards dont take them serious please.if a guy comes to you in gym and tell he knows from very reliable personal source how much gear gh and slin so and so pro bodybuilder is on.....Be Alarmed....this mo fo is after your money and health.
What kind of experience do you have in competitive bodybuilding or just bodybuilding and hormone use in general? How would you rank yourself as a bodybuilder? Beginner, intermediate, advance?
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Dorian never looked that good when winning the Olympia. He looked amazing some weeks out. Lots of guys do. Makes us wonder what they do wrong.
We have all reached sticking points in our progress as bodybuilders. We can only imagine what the champs will do to overcome them. Lesser, more careful, mortals will not risk
their health for a trophy and title. If we read the internet it is clear there is plenty of information available. However, how does one assess the information? That is where
everyone is on his own. That is where the gurus come in. Most bodybuilders are not capable of doing the research to know what to do. This really is a recipe for disaster.
That is exactly what we see over the years.
Resident experts are claiming the dosages claimed by the top guys were not accurate. How would they know? I haven't been impressed with the honesty of bodybuilders over the
decades. Arnold never disclosed what he did. So it became guesswork and armchair speculation. A few guys who have tried larger dosages and didn't make sufficient gains would
say that similars drug protocols wouldn't get results. I doubt we are ever going to get full, honest disclosures from the champions. Even if we do get some they won't be accepted
by the broscientists on discussion boards.
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Ronnie was natural until 93? Gifted dude
Didn't Dorian claim that Ronnie was natural until 1991 when he weighed 215 pounds?
So, Kevin's heaviest competition weight was 257 pounds. He was a big mofo!
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Always amusing to hear this BS. It's funny how their cycles always seem to change during different interviews. They lie so much they can't even keep their lies consistent. :D
Actually this is very consistent with what DY has told me to my face. I know him in passing so I'm not his mate who he would be less likely to lie to (and in his day he was notorious for keeping things close to his chest), but this is exactly what he told me, especially on the insulin and GH use.
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It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face
Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA
Dorian was around 36ius daily
Are you aware that this says far more about you than about them.
What an embarrassment you must be to yourself and the reason why you constantly seek to bolster yourself up with your pitiful self-aggrandizing.
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The Real Parabolan was very very good.
1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away
1 amp a day was normal for parabolan???
Only if you were in the retard club. 1-2 a week was "normal" for more sensible guys and 3 a week plus a 4 sustanon was considered a hardcore competitive HW bodybuilder stack. And these guys (early 90s) were rarely using much GH because it was so damn expensive.
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Actually this is very consistent with what DY has told me to my face. I know him in passing so I'm not his mate who he would be less likely to lie to (and in his day he was notorious for keeping things close to his chest), but this is exactly what he told me, especially on the insulin and GH use.
Maybe to what he told you, but he's gives different doses in other interviews. Other posters here have also claimed to have heard him give varying information.
I watched one interview in which he claimed his pre-Olympia cycle was less than what the current female bikini competitors use. ::) :D
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What kind of experience do you have in competitive bodybuilding or just bodybuilding and hormone use in general? How would you rank yourself as a bodybuilder? Beginner, intermediate, advance?
back to biginner.
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1 amp a day was normal for parabolan???
Only if you were in the retard club. 1-2 a week was "normal" for more sensible guys and 3 a week plus a 4 sustanon was considered a hardcore competitive HW bodybuilder stack. And these guys (early 90s) were rarely using much GH because it was so damn expensive.
one negma a day is impossible. A friend of mine got insane nose bleeding after 3 week at 3 amp. And he was 275lbs.
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From reading this thread it is clear that most bodybuilders are insane. They take crazy risks with their health and live this lifestyle for years and years.
All those crazy drug protocols have filtered down to the gyms and it is sad to think what many might be taking. I look at most contests now and shake my
head at the way the guys look. Ditto for the women. I don't even want to attend the muscle shows.
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Dorian never looked that good when winning the Olympia. He looked amazing some weeks out. Lots of guys do. Makes us wonder what they do wrong.
What are you talking about? Dorian was a master at peaking. Sure, some outings may have been
a bit worse than others but he was ALWAYS in shape, always hard and grainy. Dorian did nothing wrong.
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one negma a day is impossible. A friend of mine got insane nose bleeding after 3 week at 3 amp. And he was 275lbs.
Hardly impossible. I agree that most guys didn't used to use that much but taking lots of Para
is hardly "impossible". Shit, when Finaject (tren ace) was less popular in the early 90s for example
there were stories of lots of guys "pissing blood" after 3 weeks on 3 shots (maybe 200mg/week) per week.
I recently got nosebleeds after taking 2 or 3 tabs of Anapolon (a day or two after starting), never happens except on drol. Doesn't mean I can't take 4 or 5 tabs a day without much worse sides.
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Hardly impossible. I agree that most guys didn't used to use that much but taking lots of Para
is hardly "impossible". Shit, when Finaject (tren ace) was less popular in the early 90s for example
there were stories of lots of guys "pissing blood" after 3 weeks on 3 shots (maybe 200mg/week) per week.
I recently got nosebleeds after taking 2 or 3 tabs of Anapolon (a day or two after starting), never happens except on drol. Doesn't mean I can't take 4 or 5 tabs a day without much worse sides.
Aren't you a mangled up mess of torn body parts and ground beef-esque musculature?
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Aren't you a mangled up mess of torn body parts and ground beef-esque musculature?
Yes. Point being?
I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.
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Maybe to what he told you, but he's gives different doses in other interviews. Other posters here have also claimed to have heard him give varying information.
I watched one interview in which he claimed his pre-Olympia cycle was less than what the current female bikini competitors use. ::) :D
This isn't accurate. He's never really said what he's taken anywhere that I know of up until this point. There was his supposed cycle floating around but he's always acknowledged he took steroids but never went into details . If you have anything that contradicts that feel free to share it.
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Are you aware that this says far more about you than about them.
What an embarrassment you must be to yourself and the reason why you constantly seek to bolster yourself up with your pitiful self-aggrandizing.
Great post. ;D
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Yes. Point being?
I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.
My point is that you are reckless. And any advise you give needs to be prefaced with "I have fucked myself up".
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This isn't accurate. He's never really said what he's taken anywhere that I know of up until this point. There was his supposed cycle floating around but he's always acknowledged he took steroids but never went into details . If you have anything that contradicts that feel free to share it.
He mentions drugs at 12:50 on the link below:
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My point is that you are reckless. And any advise you give needs to be prefaced with "I have fucked myself up".
Well sure, I try to be honest. Made lots of mistakes for sure and I tell people frequently that heavy training is dangerous for example. I wasn't giving advice in this thread either, just saying many people can take lots of tren, real properly dosed tren. It's not healthy but it's clearly being done.
I tell people who are curious about tren that it can fuck up your mindstate, can cause severe anxiety including panic attacks, causes night sweats etc. And that's not including the possible internal problems. Once you know the possible sides it's up to you if you want to use it.
When I started using steroids Parabolan was almost off the market. Had one training partner who did one amp a week along with 20-30mg of Russian Dbol. It did work even at that low dosage. But I think a half a cc of today's tren e and some Chinese Dbol would have worked the same.
Dorian was reckless too in some aspects, he is a mangled mess today. Almost died from internal bleeding, supposedly due to aspirin (it's possible).
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Which white towels are we talking about here? Do they have skidmarks and are piled in the corner of a hotel bathroom?
x2 many youngbloods on getbig are not aware that the white towel saga pre-dates the escapades of Kai Green.
Double all of the dosages reported in this interview and you will probably be close to their actual amounts.
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He mentions drugs at 12:50 on the link below:
Ok but he doesn't go into dosages, So I'm not sure where you're getting he's contradicting any other claim. He's never gone into specifics until now. Again if you have anything that contradicts this feel free to post it.
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Yes. Point being?
I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.
You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.
Which means it is all underdosed. You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.
I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.
UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing. They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.
The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).
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Have any of you ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.
One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.
They must be using huge dosages yet you were your strongest on small dosages???
Oh and for the record an 'in shape' bodybuilder isnt that big, certainly not strongman big
(http://i.imgur.com/Aoy1P2X.jpg?1)
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It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face
Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA
Dorian was around 36ius daily
Yes, and thats exactly why you are the laughing stock of getbig.
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They must be using huge dosages yet you were your strongest on small dosages???
Oh and for the record an 'in shape' bodybuilder isnt that big, certainly not strongman big
(http://i.imgur.com/Aoy1P2X.jpg?1)
I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.
Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend ;) from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.
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I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.
Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend ;) from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.
You could likely be the big naturally when that chubby.
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You could likely be the big naturally when that chubby.
Doubtful. I'm probably 225 ripped at 6ft right there. Go back to the 88 Olympia at and look at the weigh in. Unless those guys were natural then you could be right.
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I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.
Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend ;) from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.
Small guy?
Hes only around 15lbs less than Dorian onstage best.
I have seen Dorian a few times, I saw guest pose at a show I competed in, he was backstage when I was, he was a big guy, but not freakishly big, he is the same height as me.
Tall = big
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Small guy?
Hes only around 15lbs less than Dorian onstage best.
I have seen Dorian a few times, I saw guest pose at a show I competed in, he was backstage when I was, he was a big guy, but not freakishly big, he is the same height as me.
Tall = big
Dorian not freakishly big at 305? OK ::) Oh and as far as comparing Phi and Dorian you gotta be nuts. Dorian was made of stone when in shape Phil is made of (insert what ever comes to mind)
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Dorian not freakishly big at 305? OK ::) Oh and as far as comparing Phi and Dorian you gotta be nuts. Dorian was made of stone when in shape Phil is made of (insert what ever comes to mind)
same weight.
And if you can maintain the size you are on 550mgs why did you have a middleweight Romanian on the best part of 2 gms?
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VanB=good, honest poster.
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same weight.
And if you can maintain the size you are on 550mgs why did you have a middleweight Romanian on the best part of 2 gms?
I do?
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You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.
Which means it is all underdosed. You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.
I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.
UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing. They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.
The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).
Some thoughts: some UGL gear has been analyzed by government labs in different countries after seizures and it has not all been underdosed. There's also little reason for a UGL to underdose. One Canadian guy who used to post here, forget his name Pierre something, said all the UGL's actually overdose due to the competitive nature of the market. Not saying there's no underdosing but if you can get the raws through customs in the first place why underdose? The Chinese raw material may be underdosed but here again, why would it be heavily underdosed? I believe Mawse here who commented on the Chinese raw purity.
Regarding the compounding pharmacists working for wellness clinics, I bet it's all smuggled UG powder out of China too, because the whole operation isn't completely legit in the first place. This has been verified in newspaper articles through the years too. Compounding pharmacists putting together injectables with Masteron, Tren, Dianabol etc, does it sound legit and completely legal?
How is the Turinabol you mention legally imported into North America?
I would think this stuff is basically the same as any UGL gear, perhaps with better brewing facilities.
Regarding going mental on tren. Yes it does make you mental, I can feel the negative change after one shot. But if you can handle a little chances are you can handle a lot after a while. And if you can't, just smoke a lot of weed and pop the benzos like a lot do. ::) :D
I agree that pros are using the same hit as the average gym rat in most cases. But look at the Olympia guys, does it look like they are on fake steroids?
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I do?
nice dodge a bout the gypsy
Are you saying you cant maintain 225 on 550 mgs??
I can maintain 215-20 at 10/11% on 250mgs
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Ok but he doesn't go into dosages, So I'm not sure where you're getting he's contradicting any other claim. He's never gone into specifics until now. Again if you have anything that contradicts this feel free to post it.
You don't think what he says in that video is different and contradictory to what he's saying now?
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nice dodge a bout the gypsy
Are you saying you cant maintain 225 on 550 mgs??
I can maintain 215-20 at 10/11% on 250mgs
Dear god you have such a comprehension deficit. I'm saying that for example Gary stydom weighing in at 227 at the Olympia ripped is NOT the same as you at 250mgs weighing 210 at 11%. Unless you think that Gary was only on 500mgs at that time and no GH of course.
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You don't think what he says in that video is different and contradictory to what he's saying now?
No. That vid he was being facetious but is he directly contradicting what he said with MD? No , not at all. He's never gone into detail about his use , he just hasn't.
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Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't say jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.
Dorian and Kevin are the genetic elite on this planet. These are the guys who could drink truckloads of gear without a negative effect.. Lol
In my early 20s I could do 2 ampoules of deca every day for months without any sides like deca dick and any zits on my face or back. One guy in college followed my protocol and had his back covered in zits. This is the power of genetics.
There was a guy in the gym whose kidneys failed after just 6 months of heavy roid usage.
Genetics is everything in bodybuilding where drugs play a major role.
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Dear god you have such a comprehension deficit. I'm saying that for example Gary stydom weighing in at 227 at the Olympia ripped is NOT the same as you at 250mgs weighing 210 at 11%. Unless you think that Gary was only on 500mgs at that time and no GH of course.
We had left that point behind two posts ago numbnuts
Do you want to address the fact you had the Romanian middleweight on nearly 2 gms gear?
And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear, maybe thats why he still looks like this.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11209618_10153341493910701_186804151423902004_n.jpg?oh=698843b760e543c92e5c10498adaad21&oe=565B4DDD)
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Well sure, I try to be honest. Made lots of mistakes for sure and I tell people frequently that heavy training is dangerous for example. I wasn't giving advice in this thread either, just saying many people can take lots of tren, real properly dosed tren. It's not healthy but it's clearly being done.
I tell people who are curious about tren that it can fuck up your mindstate, can cause severe anxiety including panic attacks, causes night sweats etc. And that's not including the possible internal problems. Once you know the possible sides it's up to you if you want to use it.
When I started using steroids Parabolan was almost off the market. Had one training partner who did one amp a week along with 20-30mg of Russian Dbol. It did work even at that low dosage. But I think a half a cc of today's tren e and some Chinese Dbol would have worked the same.
Dorian was reckless too in some aspects, he is a mangled mess today. Almost died from internal bleeding, supposedly due to aspirin (it's possible).
how do you know this? when did that happen? he would have to take a shit load of asprin?
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Some thoughts: some UGL gear has been analyzed by government labs in different countries after seizures and it has not all been underdosed. There's also little reason for a UGL to underdose. One Canadian guy who used to post here, forget his name Pierre something, said all the UGL's actually overdose due to the competitive nature of the market. Not saying there's no underdosing but if you can get the raws through customs in the first place why underdose? The Chinese raw material may be underdosed but here again, why would it be heavily underdosed? I believe Mawse here who commented on the Chinese raw purity.
Regarding the compounding pharmacists working for wellness clinics, I bet it's all smuggled UG powder out of China too, because the whole operation isn't completely legit in the first place. This has been verified in newspaper articles through the years too. Compounding pharmacists putting together injectables with Masteron, Tren, Dianabol etc, does it sound legit and completely legal?
How is the Turinabol you mention legally imported into North America?
I would think this stuff is basically the same as any UGL gear, perhaps with better brewing facilities.
Regarding going mental on tren. Yes it does make you mental, I can feel the negative change after one shot. But if you can handle a little chances are you can handle a lot after a while. And if you can't, just smoke a lot of weed and pop the benzos like a lot do. ::) :D
I agree that pros are using the same hit as the average gym rat in most cases. But look at the Olympia guys, does it look like they are on fake steroids?
I think the compounding pharmacist is clearly doing something dodgy. But looking at the results vs similar / higher doses from UGLs there is no comparison.
I suspect a lot of the pros are on fake and underdosed steroids. There as a lot of (very good looking but badly dosed) fake schering primo in Europe that went straight to IFBB pros in the US, but generally I think they are more discerning. But I've seen "care packages" sent across the Pond to some of the biggest names (eg the biggest of them all in the 2000s) and I don't think they really had a f*cking clue what they were taking.
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how do you know this? when did that happen? he would have to take a shit load of asprin?
He said it in Flex mag and elsewhere after his last Olympia. He was like 6 weeks out or something and his wife said he looked like death and then he ended up in hospital. It's possible for aspirin to cause this at normal doses but if the story is true I don't know.
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We had left that point behind two posts ago numbnuts
Do you want to address the fact you had the Romanian middleweight on nearly 2 gms gear?
And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear, maybe thats why he still looks like this.
I told you before stay out of the deep end of the pool and stick to trying to be funny.
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And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear,
Are you kidding? Gary was famous for pushing high GH at the time of the WBF org.
I remember MD mag said he was doing 12iu which wasn't common at the time.
He also later said on musclemayhem he uses insulin, "when I need it", which I take to mean when on lots of growth.
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Are you kidding? Gary was famous for pushing high GH at the time of the WBF org.
I remember MD mag said he was doing 12iu which wasn't common at the time.
He also later said on musclemayhem he uses insulin, "when I need it", which I take to mean when on lots of growth.
Why bother this idiot is def a gimmick he just proved it.
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I told you before stay out of the deep end of the pool and stick to trying to be funny.
There is no deep end of the pool, its shallow end all the fucking way.
This site isnt a bodybuilding site FFS.
Seriously, who the fuck would listen to anyone off here?
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There is no deep end of the pool, its shallow end all the fucking way.
This site isnt a bodybuilding site FFS.
Seriously, who the fuck would listen to anyone off here?
Stay out of the deep end of the pool Flora.
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Why bother this idiot is def a gimmick he just proved it.
No worries prep coach ::)
Fucking Sev, great work guru.
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It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face
Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA
Dorian was around 36ius daily
If you look the way your pics look and are taking ANYTHING - you either have absolutely horrible genetics or you need serious help with your diet and training. I have met guys like you over the years that are delusional and have no clue that all of the others laugh. You SERIOUSLY don't think you are scrawny as hell ???
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they are lying through their teeth, your local heavy weight amateur takes 20 iu of GH and 5-6grams of other stuff a week ;)
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you see most HC bodybuilders are compelety fucked in their head, heard a story about a guy who used to compete as a heavy weight in some amateur organisations and when he went on vacation for 3 weeks he didn't take any gear with him ( afraid he would searched by the customs). Well as soon as he started to ''notice'' shrinkage of his muscles he packed his shit and went straight home to pin himself lol
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they are lying through their teeth, your local heavy weight amateur takes 20 iu of GH and 5-6grams of other stuff a week ;)
You probably just proved their point. The local heavyweight amateur will not go as far or look as good as these three looked.
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I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.
I saw Dorian guest pose at 305 at the NE championships or something. He looked so huge it almost looked fake. His head was his smallest body part.
The winner of the show was 260. He looked like a child next to Dorian.
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Haney got out when the guys really started to up the dose to 5 to 10 grams/week
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We had left that point behind two posts ago numbnuts
Do you want to address the fact you had the Romanian middleweight on nearly 2 gms gear?
And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear, maybe thats why he still looks like this.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11209618_10153341493910701_186804151423902004_n.jpg?oh=698843b760e543c92e5c10498adaad21&oe=565B4DDD)
your whole online persona HAS to bea gimmick otherwise you classify as dumb in bodybuilding knowledge
You are thedefinition of all talk.
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I saw Dorian guest pose at 305 at the NE championships or something. He looked so huge it almost looked fake. His head was his smallest body part.
The winner of the show was 260. He looked like a child next to Dorian.
Ha, Yes.
I also thought exactly the same.
His head looked tiny on him.
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lol @ fucking Dorian Yates being "a big guy but not freakishly big", I've heard it all on here now :D
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WOW...can't believe a thread can contain more bullshit then a barn in the Montana Valley. Useless information as always when PRO's say they are going to discuss drug usage. Instead of wasting your time you're time is better spent watching a bucket of dirt.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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your whole online persona HAS to bea gimmick otherwise you classify as dumb in bodybuilding knowledge
You are thedefinition of all talk.
I dont need any bodybuilding knowledge to take you to school.
Me all talk?
2gms gear a week and a rigid diet to do what anyone can do on 400 mgs a week and cutting out the fries with their burger.
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I dont need any bodybuilding knowledge to take you to school.
Me all talk?
2gms gear a week and a rigid diet to do what anyone can do on 400 mgs a week and cutting out the fries with their burger.
"And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear"
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA idiot post of the year. Please tell us you are joking cause if not you gotta be one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this board, no THE dumbest mother fucker. :D
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"And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear"
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA idiot post of the year. Please tell us you are joking cause if not you gotta be one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this board, no THE dumbest mother fucker. :D
For a supposedly clever guy you can be amazingly dumb and gullible.
Tell me, how are you managing to churn out these Romanian gypsy twinks on 2 gms a week?
You must really suck as a prep guy.
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If you look the way your pics look and are taking ANYTHING - you either have absolutely horrible genetics or you need serious help with your diet and training. I have met guys like you over the years that are delusional and have no clue that all of the others laugh. You SERIOUSLY don't think you are scrawny as hell ???
Disgusted is responsible for this abomination, you cant really blame Sev, hes just doing as hes told.
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Disgusted is responsible for this abomination, you cant really blame Sev, hes just doing as hes told.
And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA I'm still amazed. OK I take it back you are pretty funny. ;D
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And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA I'm still amazed. OK I take it back you are pretty funny. ;D
You're kind of grasping at straws.
It looks as if Jeff has embedded himself in your frontal lobe to the point of dedicating your little personal quote to him.
I am genuinely curious what makes you an expert, have you actually prepped legit successful body builders? (100 % serious no trolling)
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You're kind of grasping at straws.
It looks as if Jeff has embedded himself in your frontal lobe to the point of dedicating your little personal quote to him.
I am genuinely curious what makes you an expert, have you actually prepped legit successful body builders? (100 % serious no trolling)
If anyone is doing any embedding it's me. If you are that curious about me do some research.
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If anyone is doing any embedding it's me. If you are that curious about me do some research.
Do I just google "disgusted from getbig"?
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back to biginner.
So if you are a beginner why do you feel you can speak with authority of hormones, dosages and what others use?
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Do I just google "disgusted from getbig"?
If you type his real name into Google there are a couple of pages of him spouting crap on forums
He supposedly got Kamali in shape back in 2007/8 cant remember which, when questioned on it he said he didnt really do anything.
As far as diet and training goes, whats to know?
You can write call you need to know on a fag packet.
Its the drug prep thats supposed to be the hard part, thats how prep coaches make money.
If you need to know how much he knows about drug prep remember, he prepped Radu and now hes prepping Sev. ::)
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one negma a day is impossible. A friend of mine got insane nose bleeding after 3 week at 3 amp. And he was 275lbs.
So one man got nose bleeds from using 228mgs of trenbolone per week so you conclude that it is "impossible" for anyone to tolerate an amp a day, 532mg/week. Now the ester used in Parabolan, HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate ester, allowed for 50mg of actual trenbolone so that gave your friend about 150mg/wk of trenbolone. Trenbolone Acetate, which comes in 100mg/ml and the most commonly used ester, allows for about 65mgs of actual trenbolone per ml.
I can assure you that a cc/day of tren acetate is routinely used by recreational bodybuilders and 2-3ccs, 300mgs/day, by top competitors.
I would be more circumspect when using the word "impossible" when referring to determined top bodybuilders that have dreams of being the best in the world.
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If you type his real name into Google there are a couple of pages of him spouting crap on forums
He supposedly got Kamali in shape back in 2007/8 cant remember which, when questioned on it he said he didnt really do anything.
As far as diet and training goes, whats to know?
You can write call you need to know on a fag packet.
Its the drug prep thats supposed to be the hard part, thats how prep coaches make money.
If you need to know how much he knows about drug prep remember, he prepped Radu and now hes prepping Sev. ::)
Kamali went pro like 10 years before that. I assume the man knew how to get in shape.
And yeah, I don't know his real name and don't really care to. One thing is for certain, he can get people shredded. Sev looks decent in all honesty. Radu looked fucking shit. I think the Romanian genetics are sub par for bodybuilding or the gear they are getting is actually ibuprofen suspension.
The biggest question of our generation still remains : does cleanest natural have a distorted self image or does he realize he doesn't look nearly as good as he thinks he does and is attempting a hatchet job of a trolling?
I genuinely know nothing of disgusted or his work.
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Kamali went pro like 10 years before that. I assume the man knew how to get in shape.
And yeah, I don't know his real name and don't really care to. One thing is for certain, he can get people shredded. Sev looks decent in all honesty. Radu looked fucking shit. I think the Romanian genetics are sub par for bodybuilding or the gear they are getting is actually ibuprofen suspension.
The biggest question of our generation still remains : does cleanest natural have a distorted self image or does he realize he doesn't look nearly as good as he thinks he does and is attempting a hatchet job of a trolling?
I genuinely know nothing of disgusted or his work.
the only person thats gets them shredded is themselves, gurus just tell them what to do.
I can get anyone shredded, so can you.
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the only person thats gets them shredded is themselves, gurus just tell them what to do.
I can get anyone shredded, so can you.
I just had peanut butter toast, pretzels and a coors light.
Is this an approved meal?
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I just had peanut butter toast, pretzels and a coors light.
Is this an approved meal?
Dont see why not, just adjust your cals for the day.
Its like eating rice and avocado.
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I don't want to reread the interview but what is the most amount of gear that both Keven and Shawn claimed they took during their careers?
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I don't want to reread the interview but what is the most amount of gear that both Keven and Shawn claimed they took during their careers?
Less than Sev
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Be there is retarded he's saying powerlifters are bigger than bodybuilders. Yep sure lets compare someone at 7% BF to a fat guy at 20%. Disgusted talks truth and knows his shit.
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Be there is retarded he's saying powerlifters are bigger than bodybuilders. Yep sure lets compare someone at 7% BF to a fat guy at 20%. Disgusted talks truth and knows his shit.
read the post dumbass
Tall = big
Go and watch the video of Phil Heath meeting Brian Shaw and tell me how big Phil Heath is.
as for him knowing his shit, the proof of the pudding ?
The Romanian middleweights at 6ft plus are his handy work
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read the post dumbass
Go and watch the video of Phil Heath meeting Brian Shaw and tell me how big Phil Heath is.
Phil isn't exactly a good example to use.
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Phil isn't exactly a good example to use.
Someone of average build at 6ft 2 wouldnt be dwarfed by Brian Shaw as much as Phil is, its laughable how tiny he looks.
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Someone of average build at 6ft 2 wouldnt be dwarfed by Brian Shaw as much as Phil is, its laughable how tiny he looks.
Hahahha...kids
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read the post dumbass
Go and watch the video of Phil Heath meeting Brian Shaw and tell me how big Phil Heath is.
as for him knowing his shit, the proof of the pudding ?
The Romanian middleweights at 6ft plus are his handy work
'Oh and for the record an 'in shape' bodybuilder isnt that big, certainly not strongman big'
The in shape bodybuilder has more muscle. Just not carrying that extra 80 pounds of fat you value so greatly.
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Mr Olympia Phil Heath in shape or offseason would disappear in a crowd of regular guys in a nightclub
He would be the guy the others sent to get the drinks.
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I really wonder why Lee Priest wasn't part of that interview.
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I really wonder why Lee Priest wasn't part of that interview.
Because he's not employed by MD?
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DORIAN YATES GUEST POSED A SHOW IN 92 IN NJ,HE WALKED THROUGH THE LOBBY CROWD LIKE HE WAS PARTING THE RED SEA ,HE WAS THAT BIG AND HE HAD A LEATHER COAT ON THAT LOOKED LIKE HE HANDPICKED THE COW IT WAS MADE FROM XXXXL.
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Mr Olympia Phil Heath in shape or offseason would disappear in a crowd of regular guys in a nightclub
He would be the guy the others sent to get the drinks.
lol wut?
Hey Philsulin, get us some beers
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So one man got nose bleeds from using 228mgs of trenbolone per week so you conclude that it is "impossible" for anyone to tolerate an amp a day, 532mg/week. Now the ester used in Parabolan, HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate ester, allowed for 50mg of actual trenbolone so that gave your friend about 150mg/wk of trenbolone. Trenbolone Acetate, which comes in 100mg/ml and the most commonly used ester, allows for about 65mgs of actual trenbolone per ml.
I can assure you that a cc/day of tren acetate is routinely used by recreational bodybuilders and 2-3ccs, 300mgs/day, by top competitors.
I would be more circumspect when using the word "impossible" when referring to determined top bodybuilders that have dreams of being the best in the world.
Parabolan negma was a pharmacy grade stuff. My nose-bleeding-275lbs friend say that tren form ug lab is crap compared to good'ol negma.
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lol wut?
Hey Philsulin, get us some beers
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Yes he is quite small for a Mr. O actually.
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I really wonder why Lee Priest wasn't part of that interview.
People fear the true, uncrowned champion. Lee could have been much more prominent if his personal life weren't such a bingle.
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"And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear"
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA idiot post of the year. Please tell us you are joking cause if not you gotta be one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this board, no THE dumbest mother fucker. :D
This is another keyboard warrior.
You are being too harsh here disgusted.......
Bwahaahhahaha
Parabolan negma was a pharmacy grade stuff. My nose-bleeding-275lbs friend say that tren form ug lab is crap compared to good'ol negma.
Bull of the first order.
Negma was crazy when it came to the volume you needed to use.
I have done 20amps of negma a week in the mecca. This translated into like almost 30ml of just fucking trenbolone in a week. Now talk about rotating injections....lol
Your friend never used negma it seems.
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This is another keyboard warrior.
You are being too harsh here disgusted.......
Bwahaahhahaha
Bull of the first order.
Negma was crazy when it came to the volume you needed to use.
I have done 20amps of negma a week in the mecca. This translated into like almost 30ml of just fucking trenbolone in a week. Now talk about rotating injections....lol
Your friend never used negma it seems.
Jon Cole is French. So that should give you a clue.
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I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.
Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend ;) from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.
Cute pussy you have there...
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Parabolan negma was a pharmacy grade stuff. My nose-bleeding-275lbs friend say that tren form ug lab is crap compared to good'ol negma.
It's a shame only 1% of the population can even get their hands on this.
That's why there are UGL's.
I've used loads of Tren and from what i can tell, most UGL's make Tren spot on.
Tren is used in very high doses in professional bodybuilding. The doses mentioned in this thread are a joke compared to what people really use.
8)
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It's a shame only 1% of the population can even get their hands on this.
That's why there are UGL's.
I've used loads of Tren and from what i can tell, most UGL's make Tren spot on.
Tren is used in very high doses in professional bodybuilding. The doses mentioned in this thread are a joke compared to what people really use.
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And until recently you could get USDA certified tren from pellets so it wasn't like it was fake.
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SR comes across as a sanctimonious a-hole. Hard to believe he doesn't post on GB. Who says things like "I am Shawn Ray Productions"? And "I just never wanted it to be part of my economy as an athlete" - WTF does that mean? Also, I wonder if John Brown appreciates Ray's insinuation that he was his drug guru.
DY comes across as the most honest and down to earth even if u don't buy his claimed dosages.
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SR comes across as a sanctimonious a-hole. Hard to believe he doesn't post on GB. Who says things like "I am Shawn Ray Productions"? And "I just never wanted it to be part of my economy as an athlete" - WTF does that mean? Also, I wonder if John Brown appreciates Ray's insinuation that he was his drug guru.
DY comes across as the most honest and down to earth even if u don't buy his claimed dosages.
Shawn Ray used to post on Getbig.
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Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?
But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a cunt hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.
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Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?
But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a girl hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.
That plus it was flex wheeler that told Ronnie the secrets on how win and place well in shows. It was up the dosage and add this with this ;D
Ronnie admitted to that
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That plus it was flex wheeler that told Ronnie the secrets on how win and place well in shows. It was up the dosage and add this with this ;D
Ronnie admitted to that
I believe it because even at the advance NPC level or beginning pro many of them are still unaware of what goes on at the elite level. Even though we've had a falling out I give gh15 credit for things opening up more and exposing how much lying goes on in the sport.
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A fella on another board who turned out is an IFBB pro has a lot of credibility with me. He just posted for years as a regular member but he soon became evident that he was more advance and knowledgeable than most. Again we didn't know he was a pro and he never made that claim. Sometime within the last year members of the board requested for him to start his own thread where people could ask him questions. It came out that someone that knew him leaked that he was a pro and he admitted to it. Remember, he never came on the board posing as a pro.
Anyway, you can never be 100% sure but he speaks with a candid honesty that gives him credibility. He relates his experiences coming up through the ranks and the lies he was told. Only after he became friends with Kai Green that he learned the truth about a lot of what was going on at that level. He attributes to Kai Greene much of his success in turning pro and not giving up on his ambitions and dreams.
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Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size.
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Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size.
Yup. That's when you can afford that 15ius of gh.
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Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size.
Like Shawn used to say "things that make u go hmmmm" ;D
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Yup. That's when you can afford that 15ius of gh.
I've got friends who have done 20 and one who did 30 for short period of time and quit because of bone pain.
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I've got friends who have done 20 and one who did 30 for short period of time and quit because of bone pain.
I picked 15 ius because gh15 said that is where it STARTS at the pro level.
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I picked 15 ius because gh15 said that is where it STARTS at the pro level.
all that money and for what?
A huge distended gut wheh they retire.
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all that money and for what?
A huge distended gut wheh they retire.
You don't seem to understand the mind of a champion. No one goes into professional bodybuilding because of it's wide spread aesthetic appeal. They want to be number one in the world. I addition they are afforded a lifestyle that they can never get else where. To be able to train, eat and sleep all day and get paid more then they would if they worked a regular job where they have to punch a clock and be bossed around. Jay would have been a prison guard training at the gym in his off time. Ronnie would have just stayed a cop living only on his police pension. They are both millionaires and legends in the bodybuilding community. A community that matters to them.
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You don't seem to understand the mind of a champion. No one goes into professional bodybuilding because of it's wide spread aesthetic appeal. They want to be number one in the world. I addition they are afforded a lifestyle that they can never get else where. To be able to train, eat and sleep all day and get paid more then they would if they worked a regular job where they have to punch a clock and be bossed around. Jay would have been a prison guard training at the gym in his off time. Ronnie would have just stayed a cop living only on his police pension. They are both millionaires and legends in the bodybuilding community. A community that matters to them.
I do, its called mental illness.
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I do, its called mental illness.
There is some truth to that.
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You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.
Which means it is all underdosed. You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.
I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.
UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing. They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.
The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).
Lol at getting a scrip for Turanibol. Not possible in America my friend.
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According to GB, Bostin Lloyd exaggerates his doses &/or uses low-quality gear. On the other hand, these guys underestimate their doses and exaggerate the quality of the gear they used. That means everybody is a liar & only the experts on GB know the truth.
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I do, its called mental illness.
You're one bitter annoying bastard
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According to GB, Bostin Lloyd exaggerates his doses &/or uses low-quality gear. On the other hand, these guys underestimate their doses and exaggerate the quality of the gear they used. That means everybody is a liar & only the experts on GB know the truth.
No i totally believe Boston is using what he says. It just proves drugs isn't everything. He also fucks himself around being stupid with dumb shots etc.
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Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?
But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a girl hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.
This was posted before
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Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size.
And then looking worse for it.
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You're one bitter annoying bastard
Then my work here is complete.
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Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size.
case in point david henry ,,small middleweight turned pro and top of 202/212's within year or 2 after going pro.
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Also interesting to hear how much DY liked EQ. Not too many guys like it these days. Maybe he had the real good vet-quality stuff.
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Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?
But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a girl hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.
Great point of view.
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Parabolan negma was a pharmacy grade stuff. My nose-bleeding-275lbs friend say that tren form ug lab is crap compared to good'ol negma.
My point was that everyone reacts differently and has different tolerances. Many simply can't handle, say, anadrol. But to make the blanket statement that it is impossible for anyone to tolerate more than 3 amps a day is simply not true. I had no problems using 3 amps/wk during the late 1980s early 1990s.. And, no,it wasn't fake or under dosed.
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My point was that everyone reacts differently and has different tolerances. Many simply can't handle, say, anadrol. But to make the blanket statement that it is impossible for anyone to tolerate more than 3 amps a day is simply not true. I had no problems using 3 amps/wk during the late 1980s early 1990s.. And, no,it wasn't fake or under dosed.
So what website and username did this pro go under ? I'd like to go and read over all his posts!!!
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The pro posted on here as 'Shizzo'
unfortunately the years, alcohol abuse and genetics have not been kind to him.
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How can anyone respond seriously to Simone is beyond me. Heis the type of guy who will say "it is not what it seems" when caught gagging on a c.ock
Disgusted is a wealth of experience and knowledge. I for one, learned more from him in a year than the restof my life altogether. He made me a betterbodybuilder and a better trainer.
He took Radu from nothing to placing in a show with seasoned competitors after only 4 months then in another 8 turned him into a serious bodybuilder.
I spent a lot of time reading his posts as I highly value his knowledge. It is too bad that getbig is full of some idiots who care not about learningor bettering themselves as bodybuilders.
PS: 500€ to whomever gives me Be There s identity ;)
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How can anyone respond seriously to Simone is beyond me. Heis the type of guy who will say "it is not what it seems" when caught gagging on a c.ock
Disgusted is a wealth of experience and knowledge. I for one, learned more from him in a year than the restof my life altogether. He made me a betterbodybuilder and a better trainer.
He took Radu from nothing to placing in a show with seasoned competitors after only 4 months then in another 8 turned him into a serious bodybuilder.
I spent a lot of time reading his posts as I highly value his knowledge. It is too bad that getbig is full of some idiots who care not about learningor bettering themselves as bodybuilders.
PS: 500€ to whomever gives me Be There s identity ;)
Has he embedded himself so deep in your frontal lobe that you feel the need to make it personal and uncover his real identity? Kind of speaks volumes man.
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How can anyone respond seriously to Simone is beyond me. Heis the type of guy who will say "it is not what it seems" when caught gagging on a c.ock
Disgusted is a wealth of experience and knowledge. I for one, learned more from him in a year than the restof my life altogether. He made me a betterbodybuilder and a better trainer.
He took Radu from nothing to placing in a show with seasoned competitors after only 4 months then in another 8 turned him into a serious bodybuilder.
I spent a lot of time reading his posts as I highly value his knowledge. It is too bad that getbig is full of some idiots who care not about learningor bettering themselves as bodybuilders.
PS: 500€ to whomever gives me Be There s identity ;)
Are you going to come top the UK to beat me up?
Fuck me sev, grow the fuck up.
Have you totally lost the plot? ::)
I thought it was you who prepped Radu?
That was your original claim wasnt it?
Getbig is full of idiots, no one here cares about you or your prep.
You have told so many lies no one cares about you anymore, photoshopping pics, fake weightsfalse claims
GTFO of it stupid gypsy.
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hold on
sev's 10 month pictures were 3 years apart
radu was prepped by sev- only now it was disgusted
to the untrained eye it could look like someones mouth has got ahead of itself.
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We'll see if you sing a different tune in real life
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;D
how long is it going to take the gypsy to hitch hike across to the UK??
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We'll see if you sing a different tune in real life
Lol, if you turned up on my doorstep I would laugh my cock off.
I would let the dog see to you after you tarmac my drive.
Or you going to come feet first through my car windscreen like Jason Statham?
All the way from Romania to the UK to find someone who upset him on a forum. ;D
Fuck me , consider yourself owned.
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Lol, if you turned up on my doorstep I would laugh my cock off.
I would let the dog see to you after you tarmac my drive.
Or you going to come feet first through my car windscreen like Jason Statham?
Fuck me , consider yourself owned.
don't worryabout it.. you will learn a good lesson.
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don't worryabout it.. you will learn a good lesson.
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You're a fucking loser melting down left & right , like your b/f Groink you'll be the next one making a goodbye post on Getbig.
$500 for info , get the fucking hook ::)
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don't worryabout it.. you will learn a good lesson.
Yes, dont let gypsies tarmac your drive.
You are not really in a position to do anything, post my info and you are banned as per Princess Ls rules
And you are not seriously going to fly around the world ffs
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You're a fucking loser melting down left & right , like your b/f Groink you'll be the next one making a goodbye post on Getbig.
$500 for info , get the fucking hook ::)
he will be back later saying he was just joking. ::)
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I picked 15 ius because gh15 said that is where it STARTS at the pro level.
I can't disagree.
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Also interesting to hear how much DY liked EQ. Not too many guys like it these days. Maybe he had the real good vet-quality stuff.
Haney too.
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This was posted before
Entertaining vid but I don't see how it pertains to the point I was trying to make.
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Also interesting to hear how much DY liked EQ. Not too many guys like it these days. Maybe he had the real good vet-quality stuff.
Actually, I thought it was Deca that has fallen out of favor.