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The madness has to stop!
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Ban guns Americans will still be killing Americans , Violence is as American as well Violence.
Australia never had a gun problem before the ban or a violence problem
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Ban guns Americans will still be killing Americans , Violence is as American as well Violence.
Australia never had a gun problem before the ban or a violence problem
Australia started as a colony for convicts and had the mass slaughter of aboriginals and immigrants. In addition to piling aboriginals high and burning them there were occasions like the gold rush there when 150+ chinese labourers were murdered. I think it is safe to say Australia is not averse to violence.
It is a country the size of USA with less than 1/10th the population though.
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That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.
Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...
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That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.
Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...
Out of a country of over 300 million you have around 11,000 gun deaths a year when you take out suicides. It's terrible that it happens at all, but that is such a small percentage. I'm sure if you ran the statistics, it wouldn't be above any abnormal threshold.
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“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin
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That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.
Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...
So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.
The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
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Threadstarter = fucking moron
It was a terrorist attack on our country.
Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will solve nothing and is a step backward from how our great country was founded.
These Islamist extremist fucks need to be taught a lesson. That's where the solution lies.
Now kindly fuck off!
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Australia started as a colony for convicts and had the mass slaughter of aboriginals and immigrants. In addition to piling aboriginals high and burning them there were occasions like the gold rush there when 150+ chinese labourers were murdered. I think it is safe to say Australia is not averse to violence.
It is a country the size of USA with less than 1/10th the population though.
Thanks for the history lesson ::) Australia isn't America never was never will be.
Americans like to be the best at everything violence is no exception
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Out of a country of over 300 million you have around 11,000 gun deaths a year when you take out suicides. It's terrible that it happens at all, but that is such a small percentage. I'm sure if you ran the statistics, it wouldn't be above any abnormal threshold.
Ah yes. Mass slaughters in schools, colleagues, movie Theatres - all entirely normal ...
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Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
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Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down? Forget about all you tough getbiggers. Think about your kids, your Daughters, having their brains blown out ... It needs to end. You don't need guns to be happy. And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.
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Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down? Forget about all you tough getbiggers. Think about your kids, your Daughters, having their brains blown out ... It needs to end. You don't need guns to be happy. And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.
I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "
There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? ???
You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare
I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society.
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I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "
There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? ???
You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare
I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society.
I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.
You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?
You fucking dimwit.
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So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.
The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
Oh just quoting you before you change your posts about a nation of immigrants being so violent by blood right.
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I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.
You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?
You fucking dimwit.
I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.
LMAO I never said America are some " warrior race " nice straw man. I said Americans are violent and prone to violence. It's a sport
You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?
Yes " unlimited access " to guns and these even , despite what your news outlet tells you , these events are RARE , especially considering how many guns are in private hands in this country. And I never blamed mental illness I said SOME of these could have prevented with better mental illness intervention
You fucking dimwit.
In psychology they call that " projection " coupled with your inability to comprehend what was typed shows you can't discuss things like a rational well thought human , please continue with the fallacies , poor comprehension skills and emotional tirades.
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And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.
No. Are you stupid?
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Oh just quoting you before you change your posts about a nation of immigrants being so violent by blood right.
I would call you a troll but you're not that sophisticated.
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Thanks for the history lesson ::) Australia isn't America never was never will be.
Americans like to be the best at everything violence is no exception
That's nothing to be proud of. :o :o
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I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "
There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? ???
You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare
I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society.
I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.
The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.
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I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.
The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.
Oh fucking brother ::) ::) ::)
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I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.
The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.
So, what's your point, or policy prescription here?
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That's nothing to be proud of. :o :o
And if you could show me where I said it was I would be apologizing right now.
It is what it is. People think the solution to ending violence is changing the tool , it's so simplistic and childish. People don't want to face the reality that at any given time another human can end your life or the lives of many people. It's been happening for eons and will continue , it's all part of the human condition.
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So, what's your point, or policy prescription here?
Nothing. Like 240 he'll run his mouth about all the bad things in the world yet offer no solution or compromise.
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And if you could show me where I said it was I would be apologizing right now.
It is what it is. People think the solution to ending violence is changing the tool , it's so simplistic and childish. People don't want to face the reality that at any given time another human can end your life or the lives of many people. It's been happening for eons and will continue , it's all part of the human condition.
It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND ;)
Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.
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I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.
The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.
100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.
The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.
NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?
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100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.
The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.
NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?
When did I say that the vast majority of people should be punished for what the minority do? ??? ??? ???. Further, I never said no good guy with a gun is the solution. When did I tell someone they weren't allowed to carry a gun.
Wow, seems like youre putting a lot of words into my mouth. :o :o
ps - my friend and cousins husbands own lots of guns and I go shooting with them quite often.
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So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.
The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
That sounds like Americans are some bloodthirsty race. I'd say some African countries have a word to say on starting wars but if you want to get into it, the military industrial complex was noted as a massive forecoming problem by Truman. You start wars to use the weapons because every state gets a piece of the employment pie and you can't keep those missiles idle. Either way, you're dodging the point. You just have more guns. Switzerland maybe rivals you, but that is a small country and has less inequality.
As for the country starting in violence, I can't think of one inhabited country that did not start in violence. You have heard of the Vikings, Celts, WW2, the Bosnian war etc?
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It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND ;)
Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.
It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND ;)
Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol
Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.
It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.
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Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol
It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.
Exactly. Look how angry you're getting here. Clearly, you should not have a gun, if you're becoming this emotional about the issue. Please hand your gun(s) over to me.
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100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.
The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.
NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?
Hmm - let's think this through a little further ... Should we also allow every American the right to own nuclear weapons?...
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Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol
It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.
If the tool does not matter, why are nuclear weapons a preventative weapon?
Too extreme? OK, how many people can you kill with your fist? With a knife... with a gun... with a bomb....
Get where I am going?
I never said you should not be allowed to have guns, but if you have a shitload... don't deny they are a cause... and do not think we are shit for brains who think one person with a knife can do the damage another can with a gun, bomb or nuke.
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Exactly. Look how angry you're getting here. Clearly, you should not have a fun, if you're becoming this emotional about the issue. Please hand your gun(s) over to me.
Where should I ship them? ???
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Hmm - let's think this through a little further ... Should we also allow every American the right to own nuclear weapons?...
Reductio ad absurdum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Thanks for playing though. And technically American's do " own " nuclear weapons
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Where should I ship them? ???
We will meet up behind the barn.
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If the tool does not matter, why are nuclear weapons a preventative weapon?
Too extreme? OK, how many people can you kill with your fist? With a knife... with a gun... with a bomb....
Get where I am going?
I never said you should not be allowed to have guns, but if you have a shitload... don't deny they are a cause... and do not think we are shit for brains who think one person with a knife can do the damage another can with a gun, bomb or nuke.
Perhaps you missed this?
Correlation does not mean causation. 300 million guns in private hands in the USA if it were the case mass shootings would be much , much more prevalent and gun violence is fallen dramatically in the past 20 years http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds
Would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? Harvard study , the answer is NO
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
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Reductio ad absurdum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Thanks for playing though. And technically American's do " own " nuclear weapons
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We will meet up behind the barn.
Be forewarned I do " background checks " I follow the letter of the law ;D
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The madness has to stop!
If you've imported muslims, you will want your guns back. If not, I could care less about you.
As for me, I don't own any guns but support the right of law abiding Americans to do so. Allow me to put in a semi-Aussie (and not totally grammatically correct, dammit!) way...
"Don't Go Walkabout On Me".
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Perhaps you missed this?
Correlation does not mean causation. 300 million guns in private hands in the USA if it were the case mass shootings would be much , much more prevalent and gun violence is fallen dramatically in the past 20 years http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds
Would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? Harvard study , the answer is NO
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
https://www.quandl.com/collections/society/oecd-murder-rates
Assault Deaths (Murders) per 100,000 Persons by Country
Country Most Recent Year 5 Years Ago 10 Years Ago 20 Years Ago
USA 5.2 6.0 5.8 9.4
Austria 0.4 0.6 0.9 1.5
Belgium 1.1 1.5 n.a. 1.4
Denmark 0.3 0.8 0.9 1.3
Finland 1.4 2.2 2.5 3.4
France 0.6 0.7 0.8 1.1
Germany 0.5 0.6 0.7 1.2
Greece 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5
Hungary 1.3 1.7 2.5 4.1
Iceland 0.3 1.3 0.9 0.0
Ireland 0.8 0.9 0.9 0.7
Italy 0.7 n.a. 1.0 2.6
Luxembourg 0.2 1.2 1.8 1.9
Netherlands 0.9 0.9 1.2 1.2
Norway 0.6 0.7 0.9 1.0
Portugal 1.1 1.0 1.7 1.5
Spain 0.6 0.7 1.0 0.9
Sweden 0.7 1.2 1.2 1.4
Switzerland 0.5 0.9 0.8 1.5
UK 0.3 0.4 n.a. 0.7
Czech Republic 0.8 1.0 1.3 2.0
Poland 0.9 1.4 1.8 3.2
Slovak Republic 1.2 1.6 2.3 n.a.
Slovenia 0.4 1.1 1.0 2.0
Estonia 4.8 6.9 11.7 20.1
Japan 0.3 0.5 0.6 0.6
South Korea 1.1 1.5 1.7 1.3
Israel 2.3 3.4 5.9 1.5
Canada 1.5 1.5 1.5 2.2
Mexico 23.4 8.8 11.8 24.3
Chile 4.4 5.5 5.4 3.7
Australia 0.8 0.7 1.6 1.9
New Zealand 1.2 1.7 1.4 2.3
TABLE OF CONTENTS
OECD Murder Rates
Assault Deaths (Murders) per 100,000 Persons by
You and Mexico (WOW YOUR NEIGHBOURS WHO BUY GUNS FROM YOU) top the class!!! Chile is ahead though, better arm up.
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I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.
Here is the problem.
There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone. During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them. Bad guys will gain power for decades. Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.
HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.
I don't want to be a part of that.
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Be forewarned I do " background checks " I follow the letter of the law ;D
You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.
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You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.
:-X
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I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.
Here is the problem.
There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone. During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them. Bad guys will gain power for decades. Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.
HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.
I don't want to be a part of that.
50 years? Try never. USA is too big with too many guns to ever ban them properly. Add to that the 2nd amendment and corporate interests (I don't need to say NRA, they don't sell guns) and it would never work.
Just don't say that guns for mass sale do not contribute to these attacks. Just admit it.
Quote the odd terrorist attack here, it is one day in the USA.
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the argument that changing the tool is not relevant kinda misses the point that it's easier to kill a human with a gun than it is without...kinda like it's easier to wipe out the human species with nukes which is why nobody uses them anymore. sorry I didn't read anything just wanted to stick my nose into the conversation recklessly. haha
the culture of killing is a deep seated european thing, it actually comes from europe but hey they don't go around shooting each other up like crazy these days. except for that brievik fellow... Why is that? hmmm?
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Actually, I change my mind. You can't. You're not the inventor of the bicep supination machine.
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You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.
He said "background", not backdoor. ;D ;D
I know...Hades awaits...Be well, brother! ;D
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the argument that changing the tool is not relevant kinda misses the point that it's easier to kill a human with a gun than it is without...kinda like it's easier to wipe out the human species with nukes which is why nobody uses them anymore. sorry I didn't read anything just wanted to stick my nose into the conversation recklessly. haha
the culture of killing is a deep seated european thing, it actually comes from europe but hey they don't go around shooting each other up like crazy these days. except for that brievik fellow... Why is that? hmmm?
Killing existed long before Europeans...or humans. Look at chimps hunt monkeys through the canopes and tear them apart. Give a chimp a net and teach him how to use it and he would catch a lot more monkeys. The gun is our net - not for catching the one, but the many.
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Killing existed long before Europeans...or humans. Look at chimps hunt monkeys through the canopes and tear them apart. Give a chimp a net and teach him how to use it and he would catch a lot more monkeys. The gun is our net - not for catching the one, but the many.
before about 500 years ago europe was a nasty nasty place, thank god for the enlightenment. I think the americans are basically the euros who ran away from that period of progress.
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before about 500 years ago europe was a nasty nasty place, thank god for the enlightenment. I think the americans are basically the euros who ran away from that period of progress.
Look i do not think gun ownership is wrong. Again. You try go to a giant country with bears, Indians, wolves and say no guns. It is then enshrined after a war with England in constitution. Then that is held sacred despite being for militia.
Just do not tell me more guns has nothing to do with these constant shootings. It does.
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Look i do not think gun ownership is wrong. Again. You try go to a giant country with bears, Indians, wolves and say no guns. It is then enshrined after a war with England in constitution. Then that is held sacred despite being for militia.
Just do not tell me more guns has nothing to do with these constant shootings. It does.
Lief ericson arrived and all they had were huge clubs and swords etc, obviously they didn't conquer north america...maybe bigfoot scared them off.
of course guns make it easier to kill people that's the whole point of a gun. People get all emo over their gun fun and lose any sense of rational thinking. Guns are cool fuck I love guns but it's a device designed specifically for killing humans.
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Threadstarter = fucking moron
It was a terrorist attack on our country.
Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will solve nothing and is a step backward from how our great country was founded.
These Islamist extremist fucks need to be taught a lesson. That's where the solution lies.
Now kindly fuck off!
We are going to be more like the US in western Europe. I am actually considering joining a competitive shooting club and getting a gun myself to keep in my bedroom. Gun control works well in societies with stable demographics and with mutual trust. Now, everything is collapsing and we need to rethink personal safety.
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“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin
And this needs to repeated again.
And let us not forget, drugs are illegal in the US, yet look at our illegal epidemic.
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I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.
Here is the problem.
There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone. During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them. Bad guys will gain power for decades. Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.
HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.
I don't want to be a part of that.
50 years? I have 2 guns from the Civil war that still shoot. They will still shoot for another 100 years. Now todays guns made of synthetics and specialty metals will last even longer. Besides with that CNC mill I could make guns in my garage.
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More on how ozzies perceive you idiots with your sacred Guns and your belief its gods will that innocent people die...
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/americas-bizarre-reaction-to-mass-shootings/news-story/8ff3a468c777b8add5feebcdc93156ca (http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/americas-bizarre-reaction-to-mass-shootings/news-story/8ff3a468c777b8add5feebcdc93156ca)
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Do you guys realise how nuts the American gun situation appears to the outside world?
Enough with the bs gun-industry spoonfed nonsense. Grow up. Seriously make a stand for change.
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Do you guys realise how nuts the American gun situation appears to the outside world?
Enough with the bs gun-industry spoonfed nonsense. Grow up. Seriously make a stand for change.
And what is the change?
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Do guns fire on their own or does someone have to pull the trigger?
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Most need to have their trigger pulled. So, if u remove all the guns, there will be no triggers that can be pulled and no more people mass slaughtered by home grown terrorists.
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Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top
Violence is just another sport to Americans
Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down? Forget about all you tough getbiggers. Think about your kids, your Daughters, having their brains blown out ... It needs to end. You don't need guns to be happy. And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.
Being randomly shot down? By who? There is a reason those terrorists attacked a disabled center in California. It's a gun free zone and no one would shoot back, they knew that. When they tried to pull a mass shooting in Texas guess what happened? The terrorists didn't make it out of the parking to get to the theater before they go blown away. Gun free zones and muslim terrorists are the problems.
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Are right. Makes perfect sense. So we need MORE guns in America to make it safer right?
No wonder the rest of the world sees people like you as absolute idiots.
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Most need to have their trigger pulled. So, if u remove all the guns, there will be no triggers that can be pulled and no more people mass slaughtered by home grown terrorists.
The criminals won't have any black market guns? :o
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The criminals won't have any black market guns? :o
That right - they won't, especially if America put in just a small % of the money and effort it spends on foreign terrorists towards a gun confiscation initiative.
Ban sale of guns immediately. Ban sale of bullets. Search the homes of every convicted fellon and from there.
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That right - they won't, especially if America put in just a small % of the money and effort it spends on foreign terrorists towards a gun confiscation initiative.
Ban sale of guns immediately. Ban sale of bullets. Search the homes of every convicted fellon and from there.
There's your problem already, our constitution won't allow the banning of guns or searching of homes of convicted felons or anyone else without a search warrant signed by a judge.
As aj would say, pesky Constitution.
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There's your problem already, our constitution won't allow the banning of guns or searching of homes of convicted felons or anyone else without a search warrant signed by a judge.
As aj would say, pesky Constitution.
Yeah those damn founding fathers. The second most important thing to them was gun rights... And the 4th most important thing was protection against unwarranted search and seizure.
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Oh yes the sacred constitution ... A bit like the bible isn't it. ?
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As a non American, can someone enlighten as to why the "Constitution" is so sacred, when it was written a very long time ago, in a very different society?
Were the authors some sorta psychics that could predict the future, and therefore write a set of faultless rules applicable forever?
To the rest of the world, the USA is falling down hard, and a fking mess of paranoia and deluded gun slinging hicks.
Even the concept of rising up against the tyranical (yet democratically elected) government is fking comical....whos gonna lead such a charge if it ever happens? How could any civil uprising be coordinated against your well trained and heavily armed military?
These threads are great reading...more guns...thatll make things safer...highest amount of gun deaths per head of population, kids accidentally shooting each other playing with what they found in their mums handbag, kids blowing away their classmates, the more guns thing is working great
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Most need to have their trigger pulled. So, if u remove all the guns, there will be no triggers that can be pulled and no more people mass slaughtered by home grown terrorists.
Lol, remove all the guns. You do know that is damn near impossible? You also know that drugs are illegal, and look how that is going for the US. Get rid of all the guns...And who would have the guns then? The government and the criminals that is who.
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Lol, remove all the guns. You do know that is damn near impossible? You also know that drugs are illegal, and look how that is going for the US. Get rid of all the guns...And who would have the guns then? The government and the criminals that is who.
Big bad USA, the mightiest nation in the world with the biggest military and a trillion dollar military Budget. And you can't even figure out a way to remove guns from your country? Do you realise what a bunch of idiots you appear to the rest of the world? And always citing the constitution nonsense much like Muslim extremists cite and take as sacred the Koran?
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Well, this is what the majority of Americans want: guns everywhere, kids with guns, and mass killings nearly every week. It's their country and decisions, so just let them kill each other. Apparently it's how they like their society....
(And their politicians bomb or invade at least one country every year, also some sort of American tradition, just to keep stupid voters and the weapons industry happy :-)
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There are already laws regarding guns. They are poorly enforced.
There are already laws regarding immigration. They are also poorly enforced.
There are almost no mental health laws in comparison.
As for the Constitution...yes, The Framers were flawed people but very wise - and they heavily borrowed from other charters - but the Bill of Rights has been a great protection for the US common citizen. A level headed person understands that the Constitution is a living document that can be changed, but the Bill of Rights is not to be changed. It is considered the basis for individual liberty for citizens of the US. Since protections have been steadily eroded since the 60s - and even more so since 9/11 - I agree we are becoming powerless to stop our own corporate owned, media spinning, govt. There is no argument that we have willfully allowed govt to take even more powers that were never intended for them since 9/11. I wouldn't call it paranoia. Jefferson warned about corporate ownership of the govt leading to another form of tyranny. There is a reason it is the 2nd amendment you know. Importance.
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i've come to the conclusion, despite on the whole being economically adept, americans are inherently stupid. it is glaringly obvious to any half sane observer that the number of guns and ease of access to guns is the route of massive problems in the US. the random massacres, the paranoid cops with itchy trigger fingers, the overall horrendous gun crime figures all stem from that problem.
but when you read and listen to the arguments of the pro gun morons it becomes patently clear how stupid the population is. fk em let em get on with their implosion, hopefully there will be a civil war which will avert their attention away from trying to start world war III
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Big bad USA, the mightiest nation in the world with the biggest military and a trillion dollar military Budget. And you can't even figure out a way to remove guns from your country? Do you realise what a bunch of idiots you appear to the rest of the world? And always citing the constitution nonsense much like Muslim extremists cite and take as sacred the Koran?
Yet, no one has been able to solve the illegal drug issue. Euro or otherwise. Think about that.
And the whole remove guns from our country. I want you to think ponder that. Does this come from the mentality of a Euro who is used to having the government protect them? Come from a Eurocentric viewpoint where a monarchy could take away their rights on a whim? So used to having others to take care of the peasants.
Also, let's say that guns were removed, what's to stop those in Southern border cities from attacked by cartels, or people coming across the border?
I want you to just imagine taking away millions of guns, hunting people down with guns, the military and police getting into shoot outs with people because there was an executive order to take all the guns away.
I want you to imagine, searching the country side for guns. I want you to also imagine how the illegal trade in guns would skyrocket. A shotgun that used to cost $800, may cost $10,000 on the black market. I want you to thing think about how the illegal gun dealers will be just like drug dealers fighting over turf.
No, the real solution is a people solution. You don't take the guns away from the law abiding citizens because of others, you handle the people problem.
And about Muslims extremists and the Koran...do you believe in anything so strongly that you not only will kill for, but die for? If not, that is why you will never win. Along side the thought of needing someone to lord over you, because you need protection, because hey "we took all your guns".
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I think non-US people have trouble understanding how huge and out of touch with most of the population the govt actually is. The USA has done things on the world stage that most of us as citizens scratch our heads in confusion about. It has been that way since Vietnam. To think because we have an interventionist foreign policy that somehow translates into how we view private and lawful firearm ownership is in error. It doesn't...because we have always had them.
So we are not "supporting" anything as the OP states. Our society is changing for the worse for various reasons, but there is not a willful push from lawful gun owners to include crazies that do mass shootings. People who follow laws don't go out and do mass shootings. Pretty simple, really.
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Mass shooting in America are going to become more and more frequent over the next decade.
before about 500 years ago europe was a nasty nasty place, thank god for the enlightenment.
TBH, the same could be said about any other part of the world 500 years ago.
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i've come to the conclusion, despite on the whole being economically adept, americans are inherently stupid. it is glaringly obvious to any half sane observer that the number of guns and ease of access to guns is the route of massive problems in the US. the random massacres, the paranoid cops with itchy trigger fingers, the overall horrendous gun crime figures all stem from that problem.
but when you read and listen to the arguments of the pro gun morons it becomes patently clear how stupid the population is. fk em let em get on with their implosion, hopefully there will be a civil war which will avert their attention away from trying to start world war III
We will be here long after you are an enslaved dhimmi in Europe. And I hope we don't spend one life to free you. Again.
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Media influencing the foreigners I see.
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For all the retards condoning gun bans etc. Here in America we want the ability to defend ourselves, why should I wait for the police to show up to stop a criminal? Not to mention there are 400 million or so firearms in the United States. How are they going to confiscate them all?
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Media influencing the foreigners I see.
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I think our Eurotwink friends mean well, they just don't understand America and what it was built on and why we are so successful. They really don't know any better; just sheeple that are comfortable letting their socialist governments take care of all their needs.
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I hope -- no, I pray -- that the American left is finally going to show the courage of their convictions and go all-in on "getting the guns". Go full Australia, PLEASE. It will finally show their true colors on this subject. They can stop pretending to support the second amendment. The can stop at least this part of their endless lying.
Let's get going, chop chop. Let's see you campaign at the grassroots, local and national level for complete disarmament. Let's see you and your allies force a change to the Constitution. And lastly, let's see you and your ilk go state to state, town to town and door to door to collect them. Let see your plan to kick down doors in rural Texas.
I look forward to that day, because that will be the start of something fantastic.
But that will never come because the left does not have the courage of their convictions. They know, deep in their black hearts, the cost and prefer to lose and demagogue the issue.
But I say: BRING IT ON.
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For all the retards condoning gun bans etc. Here in America we want the ability to defend ourselves, why should I wait for the police to show up to stop a criminal? Not to mention there are 400 million or so firearms in the United States. How are they going to confiscate them all?
Defend yourselves? From what? From the bogey man? If it's "foreign invaders" you are worried about, don't worry - you have a more than capable military who can take care of that. You don't need to have armed red necks, gang bangers, psychos and criminals armed with semi-automatic assault weapons to protect against hypothetical foreign invaders. And in any case, military technology is such that any foreign invaders are hardly coming to come as physical people carrying guns...
Man you guys are stupid.
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Defend yourselves? From what? From the bogey man? If it's "foreign invaders" you are worried about, don't worry - you have a more than capable military who can take care of that. You don't need to have armed red necks, gang bangers, psychos and criminals armed with semi-automatic assault weapons to protect against hypothetical foreign invaders. And in any case, military technology is such that any foreign invaders are hardly coming to come as physical people carrying guns...
Man you guys are stupid.
They've been doing a FANTASTIC job as well, according to people like you...
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I hope -- no, I pray -- that the American left is finally going to show the courage of their convictions and go all-in on "getting the guns". Go full Australia, PLEASE. It will finally show their true colors on this subject. They can stop pretending to support the second amendment. The can stop at least this part of their endless lying.
Let's get going, chop chop. Let's see you campaign at the grassroots, local and national level for complete disarmament. Let's see you and your allies force a change to the Constitution. And lastly, let's see you and your ilk go state to state, town to town and door to door to collect them. Let see your plan to kick down doors in rural Texas.
I look forward to that day, because that will be the start of something fantastic.
But that will never come because the left does not have the courage of their convictions. They know, deep in their black hearts, the cost and prefer to lose and demagogue the issue.
But I say: BRING IT ON.
I agree. I think Obama may be the guy who does it. Perhaps impose national emergency or anti-terror measures to insist the military act to confiscate.
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i've come to the conclusion, despite on the whole being economically adept, americans are inherently stupid.
I've come to the conclusion that about 80% of other countries, either:
a. Hate us out of jealousy
b. Want to be us
People still stream across our border for a reason.
As for the other 20% of countries who think their shit doesn't stink, an attack on your way of life could be next from these Islamist nuts. Just look what happened in Paris.
Radical Islam is the problem of the civilized world. Not guns.
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I agree. I think Obama may be the guy who does it. Perhaps impose national emergency or anti-terror measures to insist the military act to confiscate.
It will be fucking awesome to finally get the next civil war going. I can't wait.
BTW, I am pretty sure you won't be happy with the outcome.
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I've come to the conclusion that about 80% of other countries, either:
a. Hate us out of jealousy
b. Want to be us
Maybe not...Kardashians & jenner, massive levels of obesity, mass paranoia, people of walmart....neither jealous nor would ever wanna be part of that fkd up culture ;)
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Maybe not...Kardashians & jenner, massive levels of obesity, mass paranoia, people of walmart....neither jealous nor would ever wanna be part of that fkd up culture ;)
OK. Where do you live?
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It will be fucking awesome to finally get the next civil war going. I can't wait.
BTW, I am pretty sure you won't be happy with the outcome.
What is the reasoning behind your zealot rambling? Do you consider yourself a modern day Patriot?
Paul Revere 2.0? I am all for having American pride, but your diatribes make the country look bad.
Do you have a white-knuckle grip on a musket as we speak?
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OK. Where do you live?
New Zealand.
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Radical Islam is the problem of the civilized world. Not guns.
And the problem with violent crime in the US is not a problem with guns. It's a problem with young violent black men. In the world of public health, you look for commonalities in outbreaks to determine cause. Certainly guns are a commonality in violent crime, but are they a cause? Well, since the vast number of guns in the US are NOT involved in an crime, science would determine that they are not the cause. However, there is a very strong correlation and causation between violent crime and young black males.
Banning guns won't do anything. Banning young, black males would reduce the violent crime in the US to the level of Liechtenstein.
Start suggesting real solutions to real problems. Set it up.
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I've come to the conclusion that about 80% of other countries, either:
a. Hate us out of jealousy
b. Want to be us
People still stream across our border for a reason.
As for the other 20% of countries who think their shit doesn't stink, an attack on your way of life could be next from these Islamist nuts. Just look what happened in Paris.
Radical Islam is the problem of the civilized world. Not guns.
You are an idiot aren't you?
Just because some people want to come to America it does not mean they like the idea of being randomly killed.
Thousands times more people have been killed by Americans with weapons than by Muslims.
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You are an idiot aren't you?
Just because some people want to come to America it does not mean they like the idea of being randomly killed.
Thousands times more people have been killed by Americans with weapons than by Muslims.
Umm....Europe is in far worse shape in this regard.
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For all the retards condoning gun bans etc. Here in America we want the ability to defend ourselves, why should I wait for the police to show up to stop a criminal? Not to mention there are 400 million or so firearms in the United States. How are they going to confiscate them all?
You would have to repeal both the 2nd and 4th Amendments. If they can't get rid of the 20 million illegal people here, how are they gonna get rid of 400 million guns?
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Umm....Europe is in far worse shape in this regard.
The total number of Europesns killed by Muslim extremists is less that the total number of people that die each day in the US from gun murders. It's totally nuts the situation the US has right now.
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Are right. Makes perfect sense. So we need MORE guns in America to make it safer right?
No wonder the rest of the world sees people like you as absolute idiots.
Good thing we don't give a fuck what you think about us. ::)
Why does the rest of the world get so emotionally invested in American affairs? I know I don't give two squirts of piss about your bumfuck shithole of a country. It's pretty odd.
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If and when WWIII breaks out, who will you European pussies run to for help?
Call us idiots all you want, but we all know whose ass you will be kissing in the end.
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What Europeans misunderstand is that the vast majority of people killed by guns are suicide, thug on thug gang related murder and such. The odds of an act law abiding citizen who stays out of domestic violence situations, getting killed by a gun is extremely low. Yes now we have more mass shootings which are horrible, but they are still very low per capita. It just seems like there are more because it's so brutal, random and publicized.
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Lol @ foreigners thinking Americans give a fuck about their opinions. ;D
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Defend yourselves? From what? From the bogey man? If it's "foreign invaders" you are worried about, don't worry - you have a more than capable military who can take care of that. You don't need to have armed red necks, gang bangers, psychos and criminals armed with semi-automatic assault weapons to protect against hypothetical foreign invaders. And in any case, military technology is such that any foreign invaders are hardly coming to come as physical people carrying guns...
Man you guys are stupid.
Terrorists win if we give up our freedoms.
These stats are from the CDC website:
•In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
•Of the 1,149 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2013, 200 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
•Of the 200 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2013, over half (121) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
•In 2012, over 1.3 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 121 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
•Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5
Should we ban cars?
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If and when WWIII breaks out, who will you European pussies run to for help?
Call us idiots all you want, but we all know whose ass you will be kissing in the end.
and you think it's the rednecks with guns in trailer parks that will come running to help?
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Terrorists win if we give up our freedoms.
These stats are from the CDC website:
•In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
•Of the 1,149 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2013, 200 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
•Of the 200 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2013, over half (121) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
•In 2012, over 1.3 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 121 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
•Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5
Should we ban cars?
next you should make the comparison how nazi german took away guns before killing jews.
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next you should make the comparison how nazi german took away guns before killing jews.
It would be lazy to post things people expect. :)
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I've come to the conclusion that about 80% of other countries, either:
a. Hate us out of jealousy
b. Want to be us
People still stream across our border for a reason.
As for the other 20% of countries who think their shit doesn't stink, an attack on your way of life could be next from these Islamist nuts. Just look what happened in Paris.
Radical Islam is the problem of the civilized world. Not guns.
Yup. The Economist did a study a few years ago, and the US is by far the most resented country, and, at the same time, the most desired destination. Kinda funny.
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Media influencing the foreigners I see.
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Exactly.
"gib" ignoring my posts like his life depends on it.
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Yup. The Economist did a study a few years ago, and the US is by far the most resented country, and, at the same time, the most desired destination. Kinda funny.
People resent our freedom.
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People resent our freedom.
Hahahahaha..Fk me...freedom? To live in a society where everyone feels the need to carry for safety? I'll take my oppressive country over your "free" one
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People resent our freedom.
Yes, but I think the cultural richness is a huge factor. You want to truly 'invade' a country? Use Coca Cola and movies, rather than tanks. 'Course, tanks can get some serious Nielsen Ratings.
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Defend yourselves? From what? From the bogey man? If it's "foreign invaders" you are worried about, don't worry - you have a more than capable military who can take care of that. You don't need to have armed red necks, gang bangers, psychos and criminals armed with semi-automatic assault weapons to protect against hypothetical foreign invaders. And in any case, military technology is such that any foreign invaders are hardly coming to come as physical people carrying guns...
Man you guys are stupid.
Defend myself from the brews and crews that live a $1 bus ride away.
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Lol @ foreigners thinking Americans give a fuck about their opinions. ;D
We are only a few generations removed from being foreigners ourselves.
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Hahahahaha..Fk me...freedom? To live in a society where everyone feels the need to carry for safety? I'll take my oppressive country over your "free" one
Happily stay in your own country.
Get some refugees so they can be happy, too!
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Terrorists win if we give up our freedoms.
These stats are from the CDC website:
•In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
•Of the 1,149 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2013, 200 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
•Of the 200 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2013, over half (121) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
•In 2012, over 1.3 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 121 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
•Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5
Should we ban cars?
This is a perfect example of someone who is an idiot, trying to make an intelligent argument. Cars have a utility to society which outweighs the downside (pollution and accidents). The purpose of guns on the other hand .... is ... to kill.
You are trying to justify the killings caused by guns (which are by their very nature designed to enable killing) by saying that cars (which are designed to be used for something desirable) might also accidentally kill. Totally nuts?
Guns in the hands of military is fine. In the hands of the general community ... Well you see daily what happens there. And as for self defence against robbers? Well the reality is that a gun is much more likely to be used to kill you than you using one to defend yourself ...
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There's your problem already, our constitution won't allow the banning of guns or searching of homes of convicted felons or anyone else without a search warrant signed by a judge.
As aj would say, pesky Constitution.
In response to this, and the complete defilement of the Ben Franklin quote posted: The Patriot Act.
I remember studying Evidence Law we covered a US case, Kyllo v USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
Essentially it was ruled that using heat imaging to detect a homegrown cannabis lab amounted to an unconstitutional search. Now compare that to 2015 when all communications are intercepted, everyone can be tracked and you are constantly searched and have freedoms impinged (airports etc) - why? Cos you sacrificed liberty for safety.
Do not pretend that A) your constitution is sacred - see the SC judgment on gay marriage or B) that you have sacrosanct values that are never eaten away.
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Happily stay in your own country.
Get some refugees so they can be happy, too!
My country is one of the most refugee unfriendly places on earth, so unfortunately I cant share the joy :P
I do envy your BBQ joints....ribs look epic compared to the shit i get here...
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In response to this, and the complete defilement of the Ben Franklin quote posted: The Patriot Act.
I remember studying Evidence Law we covered a US case, Kyllo v USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
Essentially it was ruled that using heat imaging to detect a homegrown cannabis lab amounted to an unconstitutional search. Now compare that to 2015 when all communications are intercepted, everyone can be tracked and you are constantly searched and have freedoms impinged (airports etc) - why? Cos you sacrificed liberty for safety.
Do not pretend that A) your constitution is sacred - see the SC judgment on gay marriage or B) that you have sacrosanct values that are never eaten away.
I expect better from you LustforAlltheCocks >:(
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I don't even see why other countries care if we have guns. I certainly don't care if other countries have them or not.
Also people don't realize just how many crimes guns prevent just by the criminal knowing there is a possibility of there being a gun. We've done some awful shit to hebrews over the years and I imagine it would get pretty ugly if suddenly law abiding citizens lost their guns. :-X
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I expect better from you LustforAlltheCocks >:(
What pissed you off?
If you can say we have a right to bear arms the same as a judge must sign a warrant to search your home (which, in 1700s/1800s/most of 1900s meant your info and possessions) - ie both constitutionally sacred, yet you have let one terrorist attack (9/11) set off the constant erosion of the latter right (privacy) yet the former right (gun ownership) is more vigorously defended.
I do not see a contradiction in what I said.
Again, I could care less about the right to be being able to own a gun. In fact I think you should be allowed to whatever the fuck you like as long as it does not impinge on others, hurt others or harm society directly (private drug use does not harm society, nor does shooting a moose or fucking a guy up the ass if so inclined). I just think you have to accept that if you have legal/readily available drugs, legal/readily available guns and legal X, there will be more incidents involving these things.
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This is a perfect example of someone who is an idiot, trying to make an intelligent argument. Cars have a utility to society which outweighs the downside (pollution and accidents). The purpose of guns on the other hand .... is ... to kill.
You are trying to justify the killings caused by guns (which are by their very nature designed to enable killing) by saying that cars (which are designed to be used for something desirable) might also accidentally kill. Totally nuts?
Guns in the hands of military is fine. In the hands of the general community ... Well you see daily what happens there. And as for self defence against robbers? Well the reality is that a gun is much more likely to be used to kill you than you using one to defend yourself ...
It's not your place to decide the utility of guns or how others exercise freedom.
As for the military being the only ones with weapons? That's exactly why the forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. They knew the govt couldn't be trusted. Armed citizens wouldn't stand a chance against military personnel if martial law were enacted, but it's still better to die fighting than rounded up and executed.
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It's not your place to decide the utility of guns or how others exercise freedom.
As for the military being the only ones with weapons? That's exactly why the forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. They knew the govt couldn't be trusted. Armed citizens wouldn't stand a chance against military personnel if martial law were enacted, but it's still better to die fighting than rounded up and executed.
This country was incorporated with the expressed purpose to MAKE SURE that The People outgunned the Government. Oddly, Supreme Court precedent confirms this. In US vs. Miller (1932), SCOTUS held that a sawed off shotgun was NOT protected under 2A simply because it was not a common military arm.
Leftist have referred to that as "dicta", but is not. It was germane to the decision. And based on that, the only weapons that are protected would be fully automatic infantry arms. Ruminate on that for a moment.
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It's not your place to decide the utility of guns or how others exercise freedom.
As for the military being the only ones with weapons? That's exactly why the forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. They knew the govt couldn't be trusted. Armed citizens wouldn't stand a chance against military personnel if martial law were enacted, but it's still better to die fighting than rounded up and executed.
the tax dollars you spend on military hardware is nearly as much as the rest of the world combined. you really think if the military chose to side with the government in any conflict against the people, that any number of your personal firearms would save you from your own military might...LOL
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the tax dollars you spend on military hardware is nearly as much as the rest of the world combined. you really think if the military chose to side with the government in any conflict against the people, that any number of your personal firearms would save you from your own military might...LOL
Reading a post before quoting it might help you look less reactive.
Just sayin'
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the tax dollars you spend on military hardware is nearly as much as the rest of the world combined. you really think if the military chose to side with the government in any conflict against the people, that any number of your personal firearms would save you from your own military might...LOL
Yes.
Because the army and marines are almost taken 100% from my people. Do you think that they will blindly follow orders? The navy will sit it out and while the Air Force will side with the government, the airfields and logistics lines are very susceptible to skirmish and small arms fire.
Do you really think we've not already thought this through, you fucking euro fag?
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Reading a post before quoting it might help you look less reactive.
Just sayin'
apologies did misread your post.
however, have seen that dumb argument a few times "godda keep the guns ,case the govment turns gainst us"
i spose your argument makes more sense , "we godda keep the guns so even tho resistance is futile, least we go down fighting"
much more logical reasoning ::)
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Yes.
Because the army and marines are almost taken 100% from my people. Do you think that they will blindly follow orders? The navy will sit it out and while the Air Force will side with the government, the airfields and logistics lines are very susceptible to skirmish and small arms fire.
Do you really think we've not already thought this through, you fucking euro fag?
pipe down little keyboard warrior , go continue planning the arsenal you need to protect you against all those nasty black guys that are coming to rape your wife and kill your family if you lose your guns, like the little bitch child you are.
p.s exactly, it doesn't matter whether you have the personal guns or not, it would ultimately boil down to whether or not the military would mobilise against the people.
the guns for protection against the government is ridiculous.
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pipe down little keyboard warrior , go continue planning the arsenal you need to protect you against all those nasty black guys that are coming to rape your wife and kill your family if you lose your guns, like the little bitch child you are
You guys are funny with your little girl voices and attitudes.
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This guy is a double whammy of protection. Not only is he protecting himself with a gun from the government, but hes also protecting himself against a government that wants to read his mind by wearing a tinfoil hat!!
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/004347741/1439255808_gun1_answer_2_xlarge.png)
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the guns for protection against the government is ridiculous.
Servitude becomes you and you don't even seem to notice your chains. Impressive.
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You guys are funny with your little girl voices and attitudes.
funnily enough i would go pretty much anywhere in my country without feeling i needed to be armed with any weapon, whereas you feel the need to arm yourself with a gun just go to the shop. i know which "attitude" i prefer.
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funnily enough i would go pretty much anywhere in my country without feeling i needed to be armed with any weapon, whereas you feel the need to arm yourself with a gun just go to the shop. i know which "attitude" i prefer.
Best of luck, bro!
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Servitude becomes you and you don't even seem to notice your chains. Impressive.
your argument loses weight when you spout stupid shit like that
are you saying the only way to be truly free is to have an arsenal of weapons
great logic skippy
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your argument loses weight when you spout stupid shit like that
are you saying the only way to be truly free is to have an arsenal of weapons
great logic skippy
Logic would dictate that since I care not about how I appear to you, that we are completely different people. I am ok with that, apparently you are not.
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Logic would dictate that since I care not about how I appear to you, that we are completely different people. I am ok with that, apparently you are not.
gee spunky you don't care what I think
that hurts ::)
its called debating munchkin
go and cuddle one of your guns little man
you will feel a like a bad ass 8)
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your argument loses weight when you spout stupid shit like that
are you saying the only way to be truly free is to have an arsenal of weapons
great logic skippy
Two questions:
- does the human condition naturally trend to freedom or to servitude?
- is freedom worth fighting for?
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gee spunky you don't care what I think
that hurts ::)
its called debating munchkin
go and cuddle one of your guns little man
you will feel a like a bad ass 8)
I prefer to cuddle with my wife, thanks.
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Two questions:
- does the human condition naturally trend to freedom or to servitude?
- is freedom worth fighting for?
point 1 - as a rule people tend to want to fit in, we are tribal by nature and in every society people rise to be leaders in my opinion that doesn't mean servitude. if you pay your taxes your premise falls down right there
- yes, but my definition of freedom includes my children being educated in a society where psychos arent wading in to schools with automatic weapons
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point 1 - as a rule people tend to want to fit in, we are tribal by nature and in every society people rise to be leaders in my opinion that doesn't mean servitude. if you pay your taxes your premise falls down right there
- yes, but my definition of freedom includes my children being educated in a society where psychos aren't wading in to schools with automatic weapons
what is your experience with automatic weapons? OK you wrote one time you are ex RAF but what job did you do? I would like to know where you served and as what?
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the tax dollars you spend on military hardware is nearly as much as the rest of the world combined. you really think if the military chose to side with the government in any conflict against the people, that any number of your personal firearms would save you from your own military might...LOL
The US military takes an oath to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They do not take an oath to obey the government. As far as military spending, I didn't here any Europeans complaining when the Russians were ready to roll across Europe and make you all communist.
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point 1 - as a rule people tend to want to fit in, we are tribal by nature and in every society people rise to be leaders in my opinion that doesn't mean servitude. if you pay your taxes your premise falls down right there
- yes, but my definition of freedom includes my children being educated in a society where psychos arent wading in to schools with automatic weapons
So, you are willing to fight, but also willing to disarm prior?
The "point" about children and automatic weapons is really a silly as hominem beneath this debate.
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The US military takes an oath to uphold and defend the constitution again all enemies, foreign and domestic. They do not take an oath to obey the government. As far as military spending, I didn't here any Europeans complaining when the Russians were ready to roll across Europe and make you all communist.
so did you serve in Germany in the cold war ? I worked with the US Army (Artillery). WE had a few punch ups with them too. All good fun.
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So, you are willing to fight, but also willing to disarm prior?
The "point" about children and automatic weapons is really a silly as hominem beneath this debate.
why is it silly
its clear the prevalence of automatic weapons in the states facilitates these mass killings
schools are a consistent target
the reason there hasn't been one of these attacks in the uk terrorist or crazy is because its hard to get these weapons
calling us a nation of servitude is a nonsense we are bombing the middle east with you
we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with you
if I was called to service my country again I would
but I have no desire to have fifteen guns in my house
you know why
no one is going to come in to my neighbourhood with an ar15 and shoot the place up
its safe here
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why is it silly
its clear the prevalence of automatic weapons in the states facilitates these mass killings
schools are a consistent target
the reason there hasn't been one of these attacks in the uk terrorist or crazy is because its hard to get these weapons
calling us a nation of servitude is a nonsense we are bombing the middle east with you
we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with you
if I was called to service my country again I would
but I have no desire to have fifteen guns in my house
you know why
no one is going to come in to my neighbourhood with an ar15 and shoot the place up
its safe here
An AR 15 is not an automatic weapon, getting a full auto weapon in the US requires a class 3 FFL license.
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An AR 15 is not an automatic weapon, getting a full auto weapon in the US requires a class 3 FFL license.
Don't confuse him with facts. He's on a roll.
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Don't confuse him with facts. He's on a roll.
when your argument falls down
fall back on the minor technical details
better to do that than admit everything else is correct 8)
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For all you Europeans, who don't mind your own business and want to take guns from Americans, there's a simple solution:
Invade the United States and take them. :D
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Don't confuse him with facts. He's on a roll.
That is the problem, how can you make an argument when the premise is incorrect? IMHO, the governments of Europe have basically told their populations that they can't be trusted and/or are incompetent to own a firearm. Europeans have been trying to tell us how to do shit since the inception of the US, seems to me we fought for and won our independence. Why? Because we didn't like the rules they tried to impose on us.
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when your argument falls down
fall back on the minor technical details
better to do that than admit everything else is correct 8)
where did you serve in the RAF ?
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That is the problem, how can you make an argument when the premise is incorrect? IMHO, the governments of Europe have basically told their populations that they can't be trusted and/or are incompetent to own a firearm. Europeans have been trying to tell us how to do shit since the inception of the US, seems to me we fought for and won our independence. Why? Because we didn't like the rules they tried to impose on us.
ah ok so all these mass shootings don't count
because I incorrectly called a gun that has been used to slaughter innocent children automatic
you got me champ ::)
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That is the problem, how can you make an argument when the premise is incorrect? IMHO, the governments of Europe have basically told their populations that they can't be trusted and/or are incompetent to own a firearm. Europeans have been trying to tell us how to do shit since the inception of the US, seems to me we fought for and won our independence. Why? Because we didn't like the rules they tried to impose on us.
And sadly, they've grown comfortable with the fact that their governments do not trust them. Likely, because they do not trust themselves. Sad to be that reliant.
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For the non Military on here bigmc said not long ago he is ex RAF, Royal Air Force. I have asked twice now what job he did in the RAF and when.
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And sadly, they've grown comfortable with the fact that their governments do not trust them. Likely, because they do not trust themselves. Sad to be that reliant.
your intelligence agency got caught monitoring all your emails and phone calls
#trust
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The Scottish poster "BigalMckechnie" is ex RAF.
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ah ok so all these mass shootings don't count
because I incorrectly called a gun that has been used to slaughter innocent children automatic
you got me champ ::)
What you don't seem to understand is that guns are an inanimate object, people are the problem. Not a shot was fired on 9/11, not a shot was fired Murrah Federal building, hell the Boston Marathon bombing didn't involve guns until they fuckers were on the run. But they managed to kill a hell of a lot of people. If a person is intent on doing evil, they will find a way to get it done. So you can blame an inanimate object or the people responsible.
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What you don't seem to understand is that guns are an inanimate object, people are the problem. Not a shot was fired on 9/11, not a shot was fired Murrah Federal building, hell the Boston Marathon bombing didn't involve guns until they fuckers were on the run. But they managed to kill a hell of a lot of people. If a person is intent on doing evil, they will find a way to get it done. So you can blame an inanimate object or the people responsible.
good point
however I am sure you will concede that a gun is a very effective inanimate object if you want to kill a shit load of people
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your intelligence agency got caught monitoring all your emails and phone calls
#trust
All the more reason to make sure the 2nd amendment stands, it was put in the constitution to prevent a tyrannical government.
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good point
however I am sure you will concede that a gun is a very effective inanimate object if you want to kill a shit load of people
Well from what I have seen a passenger jet or a truck full of fertilizer and solvent to be much more effective at causing mass casualties. Those dickhead in San Bernardino would have killed more, but their pipe bombs didn't work. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I refuse to be a victim. If the situation arises, I would rather have the option to fight back, then wait for my turn to be executed.
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Well from what I have seen a passenger jet or a truck full of fertilizer and solvent to be much more effective at causing mass casualties. Those dickhead in San Bernardino would have killed more, but their pipe bombs didn't work. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I refuse to be a victim. If the situation arises, I would rather have the option to fight back, then wait for my turn to be executed.
ok answer this then
how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment
where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?
show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home
has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns
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bigmc post your red book or raf equivalent. your certificate of service .
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ok answer this then
how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment
where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?
show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home
has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
12 recent occurences....
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ok answer this then
how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment
where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?
show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home
has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns
They may be crazy, but they are not stupid, if you intend on killing a bunch of people where are you going to go? An NRA meeting or a gun free zone? They aren't hard to find, there is a big sign posted for anyone to see.
It just doesn't work like this
(http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/08/knox150814.jpg)
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They may be crazy, but they are not stupid, if you intend on killing a bunch of people where are you going to go? An NRA meeting or a gun free zone? They aren't hard to find, there is a big sign posted for anyone to see.
It just doesn't work like this
(http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/08/knox150814.jpg)
you missed my point maybe I made it badly
lets say we go with your way of doing things
then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice
im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree
either everyone is in or no one is
I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get
I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons
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Guess "bigmc" is not an ex serviceman after all. Oh Dear never mind..
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Lolz Europeans complaining about America's gun problem lol Thanks for all your help ;)
Glock Ges.m.b.H. (Glock) Austria
Steyr Mannlicher (Steyr) Austria
Herstal Group Belgium
HS Produkt Croatia
Heckler & Koch (H&K) Germany
Walther Germany
Beretta Holding S.p.A (Beretta Holding) Italy
Swiss Arms
(US subsidiary known as SIG Sauer) Switzerland
Astra Arms Switzerland
Accuracy International Ltd (AI) UK
Holland & Holland UK
That's just a sample BTW
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you missed my point maybe I made it badly
lets say we go with your way of doing things
then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice
im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree
either everyone is in or no one is
I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get
I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons
I don't look at this is black and white like that, unlike the left in the US, I say you don't want a gun, then don't buy one. There ideology is I don't want\like guns so no one should have them. Also their stupid use of signs to tell any crazy asshole that hey look a soft target you will get no resistance. So in a way, yes everyone would have to be in as far as getting rid of gun free zones. As far as who chooses to arm themselves, well that is a personal choice.
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you missed my point maybe I made it badly
lets say we go with your way of doing things
then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice
im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree
either everyone is in or no one is
I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get
I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons
I ain't a hero, I am not running towards the sound of gunfire. I'm just armed to get me and my family outta the line of fire.
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I don't look at this is black and white like that, unlike the left in the US, I say you don't want a gun, then don't buy one. There ideology is I don't want\like guns so no one should have them. Also their stupid use of signs to tell any crazy asshole that hey look a soft target you will get no resistance. So in a way, yes everyone would have to be in as far as getting rid of gun free zones. As far as who chooses to arm themselves, well that is a personal choice.
For the left, it really is about a belief that the government should have a monopoly on violence and should be able to wield it at any time. The left fears an armed citizenry more than anything.
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I ain't a hero, I am not running towards the sound of gunfire. I'm just armed to get me and my family outta the line of fire.
fair enough
I will bow out as this point
I get your stance
just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns
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just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns
Mine too.
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fair enough
I will bow out as this point
I get your stance
just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns
proof of service ? after all your talk about guns and that you were ex RAF ?
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you and a few others asked for my proof and i showed it. Show that you were ex RAF. "Certificate of service".
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For the left, it really is about a belief that the government should have a monopoly on violence and should be able to wield it at any time. The left fears an armed citizenry more than anything.
Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.
I saw this idiocy posted
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12348031_1093175027359989_6054141805847971893_n.jpg?oh=2628998293118bf734c7809da6a9dbd2&oe=56D883CA)
What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference. ::)
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fair enough
I will bow out as this point
I get your stance
just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns
The point is most Americans want to have the right to decide, not have things mandated by a government run by incompetent idiots.
They want you to have the right to be unarmed and trust in the police and the goodness of your fellow man.
They also want the right to arm themselves for protection of family and friends if that situation were ever to occur.
The shooting in SB is not a gun issue. It is a radical Islam issue that liberals are trying to turn into a gun issue.
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Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.
I saw this idiocy posted
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12348031_1093175027359989_6054141805847971893_n.jpg?oh=2628998293118bf734c7809da6a9dbd2&oe=56D883CA)
What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference. ::)
I get this all the time from my lefty friends. As if the evil folks have Sith powers. The average cop fires 10 rounds a year, all at quals, has never stress-fired and would shit their pants if they took incoming. I have more rounds under my belt lifetime than probably most of the Boston PD combined.
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I get this all the time from my lefty friends. As if the evil folks have Sith powers. The average cop fires 10 rounds a year, all at quals, has never stress-fired and would shit their pants if they took incoming. I have more rounds under my belt lifetime than probably most of the Boston PD combined.
Exactly, I go to range pretty much every weekend. If you ask me that picture is a fucking embarrassment, it took 23 cops to take out 2 or 3 bad guys.
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The point is most Americans want to have the right to decide, not have things mandated by a government run by incompetent idiots.
They want you to have the right to be unarmed and trust in the police and the goodness of your fellow man.
They also want the right to arm themselves for protection of family and friends if that situation were ever to occur.
The shooting in SB is not a gun issue. It is a radical Islam issue that liberals are trying to turn into a gun issue.
solid post 8)
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solid post 8)
ex RAF ?? ???
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solid post 8)
But I do understand what I think you are saying. When I look at the people posting on the Internet, I realize there are just some things in society that not everyone should have. Giving this "equal voice" to every introvert, immature, socially stunted, low IQ loser really makes normal people realize how fucked up the average citizen really is.
I want a gun to protect me and those I care to protect. But I sure as hell don't want to turn our society into something where every 300 lb soccer mom shopping at Walmart in three day old spandex is openly carrying like Dirty Harry, has never been to a gun range, and is just itching to pull their gun and "stop a terrorist".
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But I do understand what I think you are saying. When I look at the people posting on the Internet, I realize there are just some things in society that not everyone should have. Giving this "equal voice" to every introvert, immature, socially stunted, low IQ loser really makes normal people realize how fucked up the average citizen really is.
I want a gun to protect me and those I care to protect. But I sure as hell don't want to turn our society into something where every 300 lb soccer mom shopping at Walmart in three day old spandex is openly carrying like Dirty Harry, has never been to a gun range, and is just itching to pull their gun and "stop a terrorist".
whats the solution then?
all I can think of is wiping these fuckers off the earth
but they are never ending
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whats the solution then?
all I can think of is wiping these fuckers off the earth
but they are never ending
your lies are never ending
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But I do understand what I think you are saying. When I look at the people posting on the Internet, I realize there are just some things in society that not everyone should have. Giving this "equal voice" to every introvert, immature, socially stunted, low IQ loser really makes normal people realize how fucked up the average citizen really is.
I want a gun to protect me and those I care to protect. But I sure as hell don't want to turn our society into something where every 300 lb soccer mom shopping at Walmart in three day old spandex is openly carrying like Dirty Harry, has never been to a gun range, and is just itching to pull their gun and "stop a terrorist".
That is why I think the average citizen would shit their pants if they pulled out a gun and tried to defend themselves. Thus, I don't think if everyone was armed, it would lead to a decrease in violence, for the sole fact that I think the average citizen doesn't have the balls to kill another human being.
We can get into the whole debate about specific temperament/personality profiles of people who have dangerous jobs (cops, military, bomb disposal expert) vs. people who have non-dangerous jobs (teacher, banker, nurse, etc.) The research clearly shows that people who have dangerous jobs have a specific temperament (inborn)/personality profile (fearlessness, diminished sense of anxiety in the face of fear, lower heart rate, etc), thus making them more capable of doing what they do. All of these characteristics are probably necessary to be an effective bomb disposal expert. Mix this with a specific type of environment, you can probably have a person who is very effective at doing a dangerous job. Not everyone is born with that specific temperament/personality makeup, or grows up in that type of environment. As such, arming EVERYONE would not decrease violence, as most soccer moms would shit their pants once they pulled out their gun.
I am not against gun ownership. I often go shooting with my close friend and cousins husband, both own multiple guns. Target and skeet shooting. But I don't own any guns myself.
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Prove me wrong bigmc..you were ex RAF and did the 5 miler of death ;D
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whats the solution then?
all I can think of is wiping these fuckers off the earth
but they are never ending
Someday all of us will think this way. Maybe it won't be too late to do something. All we can do now is watch as our maddening "leaders" sell our children's future for gold in their pockets today. I pray that provenance will provide them with the leaden rewards that they so richly deserve.
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Donny getting all angry and stalking Bigmc who is clearly ignoring him. :D :D
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That is why I think the average citizen would shit their pants if they pulled out a gun and tried to defend themselves. Thus, I don't think if everyone was armed, it would lead to a decrease in violence, for the sole fact that I think the average citizen doesn't have the balls to kill another human being.
Almost everybody in the world (including me) would shit their pants if they have to defend themselves with a gun. I have twice, but never discharged a round. My heart was racing for about an hour.
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Donny getting all angry and stalking Bigmc who is clearly ignoring him. :D :D
Ignoring a question which any ex service man would answer.
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Ignoring a question which any ex service man would answer.
Or maybe he just doesnt want to talk to you.
He is under no obligation to answer you just because hes an ex-service man.
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Or maybe he just doesnt want to talk to you.
He is under no obligation to answer you just because hes an ex-service man.
Do English services use challenge coins? We have them for every fucking branch and MOS over here.
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whats the solution then?
all I can think of is wiping these fuckers off the earth
but they are never ending
I think the situation is so far gone that the answer has to lie in the level and type of retribution.
The civilized countries have to make the repercussions of a terrorist attack so violently excessive that Saudi/Paki training camps, fanatical Imams, radical Islamists, and college kid jihadists cease to exist. Make it known that if attacked, you will kill everyone and anyone involved in retribution. That includes bombing mosques andd wherever the hell else these murderes hide. Let the Saudis and other so called moderate Muslims know that if they dont denounce and eradicate this vermin....we will, Saudis included.
Make the payback so large, swift, and violent that these crazies are scared shitless to even utter allah ackbar. Make it 1,000 worse than Germany after WWII where people didn't even utter the word Nazi for 40 years.
The time to talk and negotiate is long past.....they only understand violence, so let them reap what they sow
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Or maybe he just doesnt want to talk to you.
He is under no obligation to answer you just because hes an ex-service man.
No but he asked me and i proved it.
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I think the situation is so far gone that the answer has to lie in the level and type of retribution.
The civilized countries have to make the repercussions of a terrorist attack so violently excessive that Saudi/Paki training camps, fanatical Imams, radical Islamists, and college kid jihadists cease to exist. Make it known that if attacked, you will kill everyone and anyone involved in retribution. That includes bombing mosques andd wherever the hell else these murderes hide. Let the Saudis and other so called moderate Muslims know that if they dont denounce and eradicate this vermin....we will, Saudis included.
Make the payback so large, swift, and violent that these crazies are scared shitless to even utter allah ackbar. Make it 1,000 worse than Germany after WWII where people didn't even utter the word Nazi for 40 years.
The time to talk and negotiate is long past.....they only understand violence, so let them reap what they sow
For the record, I am NOT Walter.
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Do English services use challenge coins? We have them for every fucking branch and MOS over here.
I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
In any case:
(http://mnprogressiveproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thanksobama.jpg)
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I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
In any case:
(http://mnprogressiveproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thanksobama.jpg)
Bad quoting etiquette by me. It was meant as a question to the UK folks that served.
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Bad quoting etiquette by me. It was meant as a question to the UK folks that served.
ok
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No but he asked me and i proved it.
You granting him an answer does not automatically imply that he is required to do the same.
You creepy stalker. :D :D
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bigmc..fucking Dick
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You granting him an answer does not automatically imply that he is required to do the same.
You creepy stalker. :D :D
ive already posted my service record
we went through all this shit before
the only way to stop him fucking threads up is for me to ignore him
or he will do this in every thread I post in
av esher showed me that the first thing he does when he logs on is go through my posts
think about that viewing my profile every single time he logs on
guy hasn't even posted a pic but wants everyone else to post their passport etc
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ive already posted my service record
we went through all this shit before
the only way to stop him fucking threads up is for me to ignore him
or he will do this in every thread I post in
av esher showed me that the first thing he does when he logs on is go through my posts
think about that viewing my profile very single time he logs on
guy hasn't even posted a pic but wants everyone else to post their passport etc
post your service record
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you called me out dude. Prove you were ex RAF ;D
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For the record, I am NOT Walter.
I'm not really sure what that means?
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ive already posted my service record
we went through all this shit before
the only way to stop him fucking threads up is for me to ignore him
or he will do this in every thread I post in
av esher showed me that the first thing he does when he logs on is go through my posts
think about that viewing my profile every single time he logs on
guy hasn't even posted a pic but wants everyone else to post their passport etc
He is definitely a creepy stalker. Follows you around the forum like a puppy dog. Best to just ignore him like you have been doing.
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"bigmc" is a fraud.
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He is definitely a creepy stalker. Follows you around the forum like a puppy dog. Best to just ignore him like you have been doing.
Donny has stepped in as the replacement thread ruining retard after the most recent banning.
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I'm not really sure what that means?
Your opinion on this matter sounds a lot like mine.
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Your opinion on this matter sounds a lot like mine.
Oh okay....figured it might be something like that
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"bigmc" is a fraud.
Just read through this thread. Guy, you are seriously obsessed. Making a complete ass out of yourself. And you're a grown man, aren't you?
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apologies did misread your post.
however, have seen that dumb argument a few times "godda keep the guns ,case the govment turns gainst us"
i spose your argument makes more sense , "we godda keep the guns so even tho resistance is futile, least we go down fighting"
much more logical reasoning ::)
You'd rather be rounded up and shot than die fighting back? Dead is dead but at least you can talk a little shit on the way out.
One huge caveat to concealed carry? People overestimate their abilities with weapons. Only someone properly trained, practiced, and experienced with a weapon has a fighting chance of surviving a mass shooting without making the situation worse.
I have a CCP and wouldn't consider pulling a weapon in one of those situations unless there were no other option.
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You'd rather be rounded up and shot than die fighting back? Dead is dead but at least you can talk a little shit on the way out.
One huge caveat to concealed carry? People overestimate their abilities with weapons. Only someone properly trained, practiced, and experienced with a weapon has a fighting chance of surviving a mass shooting without making the situation worse.
I have a CCP and wouldn't consider pulling a weapon in one of those situations unless there were no other option.
Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?
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Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?
Retreat is #1. Never go against a long gun with a pistol. Descalation is #2, but that's not likely an option with the hajis.
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Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?
Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!
If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.
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Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!
If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.
Hahaa!! ;D
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Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!
If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.
Truth.
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And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.
gib, are you a SF1900 gimmick?
If not, then it's a tie for STUPIDEST MOTHER-FUCKER ON GETBIG AWARD!!!!
Ron, make two trophies!
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Do English services use challenge coins? We have them for every fucking branch and MOS over here.
This is a challenge coin from operation Gothic serpent, in case anyone is interested what they look like
(http://sogsite.com/coin-p-163.jpg)
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Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!
If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.
During the firefight, I'd shoot you from behind!
LOL
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gib, are you a SF1900 gimmick?
If not, then it's a tie for STUPIDEST MOTHER-FUCKER ON GETBIG AWARD!!!!
Ron, make two trophies!
He's a gimmick for sure. I doubt It's SF1900 though
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http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/
Well said. Speaks for millions of Americans. Read the words, euro fags.
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(http://img.memecdn.com/Didnt-read-lol_o_141041.gif)
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During the firefight, I'd shoot you from behind!
LOL
As if the cops, crazies, and terrorists aren't enough to worry about. :)
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Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.
I saw this idiocy posted
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What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference. ::)
I'm guessing just one of those cops would have taken out the San Bernardino shooters. It just so happens that 23 were called in at the time. If 100 cops showed up on site, that gif would say it took 100 cops etc...
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I'm guessing just one of those cops would have taken out the San Bernardino shooters. It just so happens that 23 were called in at the time. If 100 cops showed up on site, that gif would say it took 100 cops etc...
Not relevant, the posted is implying that the average citizen is incompetent and could not stop them, I say bullshit to that. When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
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Not relevant, the posted is implying that the average citizen is incompetent and could not stop them, I say bullshit to that. When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
Well, the perps were carrying rifles. Never ever go into a rifle fight with a pistol if you can help it.
Rule #1 of a gunfight: bring a gun. Bring a long gun. Bring all your friends with long guns.
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Well, the perps were carrying rifles. Never ever go into a rifle fight with a pistol if you can help it.
Rule #1 of a gunfight: bring a gun. Bring a long gun. Bring all your friends with long guns.
True, but if someone starts shooting back it changes the dynamics of the situation.
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This country was incorporated with the expressed purpose to MAKE SURE that The People outgunned the Government. Oddly, Supreme Court precedent confirms this. In US vs. Miller (1932), SCOTUS held that a sawed off shotgun was NOT protected under 2A simply because it was not a common military arm.
Leftist have referred to that as "dicta", but is not. It was germane to the decision. And based on that, the only weapons that are protected would be fully automatic infantry arms. Ruminate on that for a moment.
I think you mean obiter dicta as opposed to ratio decdendi. Just so you understand for the future. I can be more condescending and explain words you use but don't get if you'd like.
It should also be "express purpose" not "expressed purpose". Anyway, you can believe you outgun the government; let's ignore drones, nukes and F-16s and the proliferation of ex military vehicles sold to police forces (arms of the government) - how well did the guns help people in the Waco massacre? You think a few red necks with AR 15s could defeat a SWAT team, let alone the military?
At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).
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I think you mean obiter dicta as opposed to ratio decdendi. Just so you understand for the future. I can be more condescending and explain words you use but don't get if you'd like.
It should also be "express purpose" not "expressed purpose". Anyway, you can believe you outgun the government; let's ignore drones, nukes and F-16s and the proliferation of ex military vehicles sold to police forces (arms of the government) - how well did the guns help people in the Waco massacre? You think a few red necks with AR 15s could defeat a SWAT team, let alone the military?
At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).
The Iraqi equivalent of red necks with AK's defeated experienced operators and the youngest Navy SEAL in history. Bullet's don't care about your training.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston
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At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).
Utterly and completely false. The bill of rights means EXACTLY the same thing today as drafted.
You also missed the part where I explained that the ranks of the Army and Marines as well as the overwhelming majority of local and state police come from the ranks of people that think like me. The government can order the attack, but unless the over promoted Dindu O-6 is going to lead the charge himself, it ain't happening.
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The Iraqi equivalent of red necks with AK's defeated experienced operators and the youngest Navy SEAL in history. Bullet's don't care about your training.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston
Hell they beat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan
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Utterly and completely false. The bill of rights means EXACTLY the same thing today as drafted.
You also missed the part where I explained that the ranks of the Army and Marines as well as the overwhelming majority of local and state police come from the ranks of people that think like me. The government can order the attack, but unless the over promoted Dindu O-6 is going to lead the charge himself, it ain't happening.
http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point. However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.
As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.
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http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point. However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.
As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.
Cruise missiles come from aircraft or submarines. Both need logistics and resupply and are guarded at night by men with rifles. Men than can die easily by the gun.
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http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point. However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.
As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.
I believe, maybe wrong, that the service men who took an oath to uphold the constitution would not follow an unlawful order.
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http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point. However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.
As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.
All out war? Vietnam ring a bell? How well did peasants do against the might American war machine? not to bad , same with the Iraqi insurgents and Afghans. The nature of war has changed cruise missiles are expensive , drones are cheap.
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I believe, maybe wrong, that the service men who took an oath to uphold the constitution would not follow an unlawful order.
Unlawful how?
Has the US not killed US citizens in foreign countries with drones? Or its own with guns?
As for all out war, I said it will never happen and I come from the country that perfected guerilla warfare so I know the history of it, thanks. Oh amd guns were banned here when Ireland broke the British empire.
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Unlawful how?
Has the US not killed US citizens in foreign countries with drones? Or its own with guns?
As for all out war, I said it will never happen and I come from the country that perfected guerilla warfare so I know the history of it, thanks. Oh amd guns were banned here when Ireland broke the British empire.
Yes, I assumed we were talking CONUS here.
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how many blacks in Australia?
see the correlation there?
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Australia has not had a single mass shooting incident since passing laws restricting access to guns. It's been 20 years since these laws were passed and not a single mass shooting.
The US has mass executions of its citizens on a weekly basis.
Crazy crazy idiots who really think having MORE guns will make them SAFER.
The gun industry laughing all the way to the bank at these idiot Americans. What's the reaction to a shooting? "Buy more guns..."
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LOL
Take some advice from a guy who lives in a country where owning guns is forbidden.
Never give up that right.
It fucking sucks and you feel like shit.
The only reason they want to ban guns anyway is that you could not fight back against the growing oppression.
Btw everything else is banned here: tasers,mini tasers,bats,batons,false starter guns,blank ammo.
I found out the other day that owning a bullet proof west is illegal? What the fu
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I'm pretty sure the reason they want to ban guns is it's way to easy for dumbfks, which the USA seems to have no shortage of to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.
Sure they're just a tool, but a kid with a kitchen knife isn't gonna do near the same about of damage as the same kid with a gun.
Sure you argue, criminals will still have guns, but the vast majority of mass shootings aren't done by career criminals. Like drug dealers and gang members, but the average person next door.
For the self proclaimed greatest country in the world with freedom and democracy, you sure are paranoid of your elected government!
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I'm pretty sure the reason they want to ban guns is it's way to easy for dumbfks, which the USA seems to have no shortage of to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.
Sure they're just a tool, but a kid with a kitchen knife isn't gonna do near the same about of damage as the same kid with a gun.
Sure you argue, criminals will still have guns, but the vast majority of mass shootings aren't done by career criminals. Like drug dealers and gang members, but the average person next door.
For the self proclaimed greatest country in the world with freedom and democracy, you sure are paranoid of your elected government!
Banning guns is about controlling the citizenry.
More people die of gunfire every summer weekend in Chicago than they did in SB.
And Chicago is a gun free liberal paradise.
Our constitution is very clear on our right to life and our right to protect our life.
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Banning guns is about controlling the citizenry.
More people die of gunfire every summer weekend in Chicago than they did in SB.
And Chicago is a gun free liberal paradise.
Our constitution is very clear on our right to life and our right to protect our life.
They must want to redistribute personally held assets as well as wealth.
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Banning guns is about controlling the citizenry.
More people die of gunfire every summer weekend in Chicago than they did in SB.
And Chicago is a gun free liberal paradise.
Our constitution is very clear on our right to life and our right to protect our life.
This, not to derail, but the .gov take over of health care is also a move in that direction. Since .gov has to move slowly and convince enough of the population what great ideas they have, the downfall of America is death by 1000 cuts
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The Iraqi equivalent of red necks with AK's defeated experienced operators and the youngest Navy SEAL in history. Bullet's don't care about your training.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston
I know this is CT stuff but anyone with any Hollywood or Sports/media backround will almost always be taken out when they try to be the White knight and go over into war. Read the story about Pat Tillman. The media plastered his face all over the place for months/years after 9/11...Tillman was a tough dude for sure but it's not like he was Mark Wahlberg. Tillman should have known he would have been taken out as a martyr. There was a story years ago about when Sean Penn went over to Iraq that his security got in a gun fight with masked men. His security stated that they believed the masked men were American soldiers in disguise. They later retracted that statement and said they were never shot at. lol
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Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down?
LMFAO. Turn off the idiot box for a few minutes.
I don't know what country you're from, bib, but please stay there.
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We are living in fear that someone will shoot us, so we better give up our guns.
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How in the fuck do people come up with this shit?
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I know this is CT stuff but anyone with any Hollywood or Sports/media backround will almost always be taken out when they try to be the White knight and go over into war. Read the story about Pat Tillman. The media plastered his face all over the place for months/years after 9/11...Tillman was a tough dude for sure but it's not like he was Mark Wahlberg. Tillman should have known he would have been taken out as a martyr. There was a story years ago about when Sean Penn went over to Iraq that his security got in a gun fight with masked men. His security stated that they believed the masked men were American soldiers in disguise. They later retracted that statement and said they were never shot at. lol
Sean Penn is a disgusting American hating socialist scumbag. He fraternises with left wing oppressors like Chavez (now dead) and Maduro who scare their population by blaming all their ills on the USA (as opposed to their idiotic communist economy) and Castro, who denies his people the right to run a successful shop or self-determination. All the while he snipes at the USA.
I wouldn't believe a word he said on this issue.
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I know this is CT stuff but anyone with any Hollywood or Sports/media backround will almost always be taken out when they try to be the White knight and go over into war. Read the story about Pat Tillman. The media plastered his face all over the place for months/years after 9/11...Tillman was a tough dude for sure but it's not like he was Mark Wahlberg. Tillman should have known he would have been taken out as a martyr. There was a story years ago about when Sean Penn went over to Iraq that his security got in a gun fight with masked men. His security stated that they believed the masked men were American soldiers in disguise. They later retracted that statement and said they were never shot at. lol
lol
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Obama has a special speech this evening. Allegedly its in regards to gun control and more executive orders.
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Obama has a special speech this evening. Allegedly its in regards to gun control and more executive orders.
Kind of.....the guy who ran for POTUS on a platform of ending the war in the Middle East and bringing our troops home immediately is going to tell us we need to intensify our effort in the Middle East against ISIS.
100% incompetent.
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Australia has not had a single mass shooting incident since passing laws restricting access to guns. It's been 20 years since these laws were passed and not a single mass shooting.
The US has mass executions of its citizens on a weekly basis.
Crazy crazy idiots who really think having MORE guns will make them SAFER.
The gun industry laughing all the way to the bank at these idiot Americans. What's the reaction to a shooting? "Buy more guns..."
In fact, there has been 11 mass murders (at least 2 victims) with 59 death after gun ban in Australia, two of them done by a gun and that doesn't include 12 victims of the Snowtown murders. If we count victims of the mass murders from 1929 to 1996, it ads up to 140, meaning an average of 2 murders per year. Between 1996 to 2014 has been 59 deaths, so there has been average of 3.3 deaths per year. Things are so much better in Australia after gun ban.. ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia)
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In fact, there has been 11 mass murders (at least 2 victims) with 59 death after gun ban in Australia, two of them done by a gun and that doesn't include 12 victims of the Snowtown murders. If we count victims of the mass murders from 1929 to 1996, it ads up to 140, meaning an average of 2 murders per year. Between 1996 to 2014 has been 59 deaths, so there has been average of 3.3 deaths per year. Things are so much better in Australia after gun ban.. ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia)
So if we send you 2,000,000 urban blacks and settle them in Sidney, you think those numbers will hold steady?
You need to understand the problem before offering poorly thought out solutions
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Australia ;D
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Obama has a special speech this evening. Allegedly its in regards to gun control and more executive orders.
News is reporting that president Obama is going to push some aspect of gun control in his speech, specifically the no fly list and those people still able to buy guns, which he says is "crazy".
What of course he doesn't say is that the govt is the arbiter of who's on that list and that there is no appeal to get off it......so in essence it would become back door disarming of people the govt doesn't like......if we had a nefarious minded govt, which of course we don't ::)
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LOL
Take some advice from a guy who lives in a country where owning guns is forbidden.
Never give up that right.
It fucking sucks and you feel like shit.
The only reason they want to ban guns anyway is that you could not fight back against the growing oppression.
Btw everything else is banned here: tasers,mini tasers,bats,batons,false starter guns,blank ammo.
I found out the other day that owning a bullet proof west is illegal? What the fu
Kanye or Cornell?
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Banning guns is about controlling the citizenry.
Our constitution is very clear on our right to life and our right to protect our life.
Here's a little cartoon for you, you fucking confused moron...
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We are living in fear that someone will shoot us, so we better give up our guns.
???
How in the fuck do people come up with this shit?
We are living in fear that someone will shoot us, so we better give people more guns.
???
How in the fuck do people come up with this shit?
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So if we send you 2,000,000 urban blacks and settle them in Sidney, you think those numbers will hold steady?
You need to understand the problem before offering poorly thought out solutions
It seem to me that you have choose just right solution, because regardless the gun ban, there is more people killed in mass murders. Was this the result which you want to see? No? Well, gun bans doesn't work, because you can ban guns only from the people, who obey the law and doesn't use their guns in crime in the first place. If you want to stop traffic accidents of the drivers who drive without the driving license, will you ban cars from the people who have the license? Same thing. You can't stop the crime by banning things from the law abiding citizens, it is simple as that.
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Idiotic response. The reality is that if you removed guns from America you would stop gun massacers. You would still get stabbings but it's a lot harder to stab a bunch of innocent people than it is to shoot them.
Ill try to make it very simple for you. Imagine a room full of monkeys. Add a bunch of guns into the room and monkeys will end up getting shot. This would not happen if you did not give them the guns.
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Add a bunch of guns into the room and monkeys will end up getting shot.
EXACTLY..
now do the same experiment with a bunch of white polar bears and see if anyone gets shot..
lesson over...
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We are living in fear that someone will shoot us, so we better give people more guns.
???
How in the fuck do people come up with this shit?
Who exactly is living in fear of being shot? You don't want a gun then don't buy one, fucking simple. The US constitution give Americans the right to bear arms. You don't like that then don't come to the US, or if you are hear leave.
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Sean Penn is a disgusting American hating socialist scumbag. He fraternises with left wing oppressors like Chavez (now dead) and Maduro who scare their population by blaming all their ills on the USA (as opposed to their idiotic communist economy) and Castro, who denies his people the right to run a successful shop or self-determination. All the while he snipes at the USA.
I wouldn't believe a word he said on this issue.
you've been drinking the koolaid quite neoliberally
have a look at the economic performance of these states during these oppressive "idiotic" periods and report back to me on your findings.
hope this helps, enjoy and your day
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So if we send you 2,000,000 urban blacks and settle them in Sidney, you think those numbers will hold steady?
You need to understand the problem before offering poorly thought out solutions
Urban Black catch and release program?
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We are living in fear that someone will shoot us, so we better give people more guns.
???
How in the fuck do people come up with this shit?
What do you mean by this?
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Idiotic response. The reality is that if you removed guns from America you would stop gun massacers. You would still get stabbings but it's a lot harder to stab a bunch of innocent people than it is to shoot them.
Ill try to make it very simple for you. Imagine a room full of monkeys. Add a bunch of guns into the room and monkeys will end up getting shot. This would not happen if you did not give them the guns.
I live in Chicago.
Guns are banned here in the City.
3,000 people have been shot so far this year.
Stick your gun ban up your ass. No one has the right to tell me how I will protect my life and defend myself.
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Urban Black catch and release program?
The European sheeple have this misconception that if Hillary says "guns are banned, turn in your guns" that the Gangster's Disciples will immediately disarm themselves.
A gun ban removes our right to self defense. It makes average citizens easy targets for criminals.
Sherief Salaby in San Bernadino would have still had his AK, gun ban or not.
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It seem to me that you have choose just right solution, because regardless the gun ban, there is more people killed in mass murders. Was this the result which you want to see? No? Well, gun bans doesn't work, because you can ban guns only from the people, who obey the law and doesn't use their guns in crime in the first place. If you want to stop traffic accidents of the drivers who drive without the driving license, will you ban cars from the people who have the license? Same thing. You can't stop the crime by banning things from the law abiding citizens, it is simple as that.
I think we are saying the same thing.
I'm way more at risk of being shot in the Southside of Chicago than I am of being shot at work by a terrorist.
Yet our president continues to shit where he eats
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People protect their lives and the lives of their families, with the aid of guns, every single day. That can be said with absolute certainty.
When it comes to this subject, it is the ONLY thing that can be said with certainty. Nothing else can be taken seriously.
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The European sheeple have this misconception that if Hillary says "guns are banned, turn in your guns" that the Gangster's Disciples will immediately disarm themselves.
A gun ban removes our right to self defense. It makes average citizens easy targets for criminals.
Sherief Salaby in San Bernadino would have still had his AK, gun ban or not.
tbh it's probably better for the rest of the world if the US keeps increasing the number of guns. i read a poll earlier today that showed that republicans thought what was needed to cut gun crime was more gun owners! i have now actually come around to this way of thinking.
the US is undeniably the greatest threat to global peace, the more it is tied up contending with domestic problems hopefully the less time it has to drag everyone else into pointless wars around the globe.
more guns = WIN / WIN
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People protect their lives and the lives of their families, with the aid of guns, every single day. That can be said with absolute certainty.
When it comes to this subject, it is the ONLY thing that can be said with certainty. Nothing else can be taken seriously.
Now the question is....who hates white Christian males more....the media, politicians, or Islamic Jihadists?
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Now the question is....who hates white Christian males more....the media, politicians, or Islamic Jihadists?
Lol, exactly. IMO those three things might as well be the same.
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tbh it's probably better for the rest of the world if the US keeps increasing the number of guns. i read a poll earlier today that showed that republicans thought what was needed to cut gun crime was more gun owners! i have now actually come around to this way of thinking.
the US is undeniably the greatest threat to global peace, the more it is tied up contending with domestic problems hopefully the less time it has to drag everyone else into pointless wars around the globe.
more guns = WIN / WIN
Nothing but a lying, bullshit idea used to cover evil acts.
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EXACTLY..
now do the same experiment with a bunch of white polar bears and see if anyone gets shot..
lesson over...
I see what you did there........ ;D
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Lol, exactly. IMO those three things might as well be the same.
I was being serious....
Rahm Emanuel is trying to get me killed a lot more than some ISIS clown living in a cave in the Middle East.
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I was being serious....
Rahm Emanuel is trying to get me killed a lot more than some ISIS clown living in a cave in the Middle East.
Oh, exactly. I know what you mean.
Just seems so fucking hard to believe. The state of delusion in this world is so bad, it almost seems unreal (no psycho).
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I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns. LOVE LOVE LOVE it. We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.
Here is the problem.
There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone. During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them. Bad guys will gain power for decades. Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.
HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.
I don't want to be a part of that.
here in lies the problem with americans. just like this, healthcare is the same. it is an american psychii where no one wants to do anything that might affect them negatively- but makes their country a better place...in the short term or long term. Even for people's own children, residents dont want to give an inch.
patriotism is a false facade. americans couldnt care less about their neighbour. its all great when things are going well for you, but when things go bad, america is a brutal place to be. many other countries have a superior way of life to the US.
besides, there is absolutely no logical rationale in your assessment of the scenario- just pure speculation.
the US created the bad guy good guy culture, which came from the very thing it says it now cant do without (right to bear arms). if there was no original right, then it wouldnt be such a problem now, so by reason of logic, removing it must make it better.
the bad guys will always get weapons. and when u have a country where people are desperate, you will have violence. Poverty is so shocking in the US that it amazes me that its citizens do nothing about it. ive been there many times and am relieved when i go home. it is a shitty place in my opinion.
what underscores it is the almost blind american greed, in its many forms..emotional, financial, societal...the US needs to learn how to properly share its wealth and strike a balance between the rich and poor and find a way to nurture its people.
reducing the reward for success is a good start.
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here in lies the problem with americans. just like this, healthcare is the same. it is an american psychii where no one wants to do anything that might affect them negatively- but makes their country a better place...in the short term or long term. Even for people's own children, residents dont want to give an inch.
patriotism is a false facade. americans couldnt care less about their neighbour. its all great when things are going well for you, but when things go bad, america is a brutal place to be. many other countries have a superior way of life to the US.
besides, there is absolutely no logical rationale in your assessment of the scenario- just pure speculation.
the US created the bad guy good guy culture, which came from the very thing it says it now cant do without (right to bear arms). if there was no original right, then it wouldnt be such a problem now, so by reason of logic, removing it must make it better.
the bad guys will always get weapons. and when u have a country where people are desperate, you will have violence. Poverty is so shocking in the US that it amazes me that its citizens do nothing about it. ive been there many times and am relieved when i go home. it is a shitty place in my opinion.
what underscores it is the almost blind american greed, in its many forms..emotional, financial, societal...the US needs to learn how to properly share its wealth and strike a balance between the rich and poor and find a way to nurture its people.
reducing the reward for success is a good start.
The last part. Success is not rewarded enough. People today want to be rewarded (attention) for doing very little. One of the reasons why quality in many things have gone down. People take shortcuts to success, and the end product shows that. I mean, we have participatory medals and trophies for kids, because we don't want to hurt their (losers) feelings. You reward success, not mediocrity.
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here in lies the problem with americans. just like this, healthcare is the same. it is an american psychii where no one wants to do anything that might affect them negatively- but makes their country a better place...in the short term or long term. Even for people's own children, residents dont want to give an inch.
patriotism is a false facade. americans couldnt care less about their neighbour. its all great when things are going well for you, but when things go bad, america is a brutal place to be. many other countries have a superior way of life to the US.
besides, there is absolutely no logical rationale in your assessment of the scenario- just pure speculation.
the US created the bad guy good guy culture, which came from the very thing it says it now cant do without (right to bear arms). if there was no original right, then it wouldnt be such a problem now, so by reason of logic, removing it must make it better.
the bad guys will always get weapons. and when u have a country where people are desperate, you will have violence. Poverty is so shocking in the US that it amazes me that its citizens do nothing about it. ive been there many times and am relieved when i go home. it is a shitty place in my opinion.
what underscores it is the almost blind american greed, in its many forms..emotional, financial, societal...the US needs to learn how to properly share its wealth and strike a balance between the rich and poor and find a way to nurture its people.
reducing the reward for success is a good start.
I disagree.....the United States of America is the greatest place to live on this planet. If you don't like it....fuck off and don't come back, none of us will miss you.
If you think Patriotism is a facade....paint you Prius up like an ISIS flag and drive through Texas from end to end.
And as for the U.S. sharing its wealth.....fuck you. Fuck you and every other eurobitch and politician trying to get your hands in our pockets to tell us how to spend our money on you.
You have no idea how life works in America, so fuck off back to your third world shithole and enjoy raising your snot-nosed, phaggoty little liberal kids under sharia law.
Shitbag.
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Walter SobChak for President
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I see Walter is handling things capably in here.
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disco goo hates America but he can't seem to stay the hell out of it.
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Who exactly is living in fear of being shot? You don't want a gun then don't buy one, fucking simple. The US constitution give Americans the right to bear arms. You don't like that then don't come to the US, or if you are hear leave.
Here's what the relatives of the thousands of loved ones who are innocently slaughtered each year are probably thinking ... "Fuck the constitution - if we had no guns my loved one would still be alive".
Here's what the terrorist who did the murder is thinking "I love this constitution. It enabled me to get access to guns to do my slaughter!"
Remove the guns and you remove the ability to do mass gun slaughters. It's really very simple. And if you don't like it you could always move to another country where people regularly get killed with guns - Mexico or Venezuela perhaps.
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Here's what the relatives of the thousands of loved ones who are innocently slaughtered each year are probably thinking ... "Fuck the constitution - if we had no guns my loved one would still be alive".
Here's what the terrorist who did the murder is thinking "I love this constitution. It enabled me to get access to guns to do my slaughter!"
Remove the guns and you remove the ability to do mass gun slaughters. It's really very simple. And if you don't like it you could always move to another country where people regularly get killed with guns - Mexico or Venezuela perhaps.
What do you say to the people who lose their ability to protect themselves?
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Here's what the relatives of the thousands of loved ones who are innocently slaughtered each year are probably thinking ... "Fuck the constitution - if we had no guns my loved one would still be alive".
Here's what the terrorist who did the murder is thinking "I love this constitution. It enabled me to get access to guns to do my slaughter!"
Remove the guns and you remove the ability to do mass gun slaughters. It's really very simple. And if you don't like it you could always move to another country where people regularly get killed with guns - Mexico or Venezuela perhaps.
I am not the one complaining about the constitution or the US, that would be you. So go fuck yourself and your fragile liberal sensibilities. That is one of the great things about the US, no one is forced to stay here. Anyone who calls them selves a <insert some shit here>-American can get the fuck out if you can't be American first. You don't like the 2nd amendment pack your shit and head to England or Australia, none will be missed. How many shots were fired on 9/11? Not single one, I didn't see some the government calling for common sense restrictions on Islam. I'm sure you will say religion is protected by the constitution, can't have it both ways asshat.
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Here's what the relatives of the thousands of loved ones who are innocently slaughtered each year are probably thinking ... "Fuck the constitution - if we had no guns my loved one would still be alive".
Here's what the terrorist who did the murder is thinking "I love this constitution. It enabled me to get access to guns to do my slaughter!"
Remove the guns and you remove the ability to do mass gun slaughters. It's really very simple. And if you don't like it you could always move to another country where people regularly get killed with guns - Mexico or Venezuela perhaps.
You are a special kind of stupid.
Are you an Adonis gimmick or close relative?
Terrorists and criminal will always have guns. By banning guns all you do is disarm the law abiding citizens and make them unable to defend themselves or their families.
There is a reason these idiots attack gun free zones. You sure as hell don't see Johnny Jihad or Dylan Roof packing heat and attacking a Hell's Angels rally now do you.
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You are a special kind of stupid.
Are you an Adonis gimmick or close relative?
Terrorists and criminal will always have guns. By banning guns all you do is disarm the law abiding citizens and make them unable to defend themselves or their families.
There is a reason these idiots attack gun free zones. You sure as hell don't see Johnny Jihad or Dylan Roof packing heat and attacking a Hell's Angels rally now do you.
Are you an indiot? America is the greatest and most powerful nation on the planet remember? First man on the moon. Trillion dollar military Budget. Surely we can use this to confiscate the guns that our country is presently flooded with???
How many times, during a massacre, has one of the victims "defended" themselves from the American terrorist with the weapon? Almost never, if ever!!!
Is so fucking simple. Take the guns away. No guns = no gun massacres. This is how all other countries do it ... We can do the same. And Obama's going to be the guy to do it.
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i dont own guns , i have shot them over the years.
but the thought of the goverment taking them away scares me.
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i dont own guns , i have shot them over the years.
but the thought of the goverment taking them away scares me.
I agree that owning a gun can stop the ordinary, every day criminal, i.e., someone trying to break into a home, mug, or car jack someone, etc.
But to actually believe that gun ownership will stop or even reduce terrorism is a joke.
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I agree that owning a gun can stop the ordinary, every day criminal, i.e., someone trying to break into a home, mug, or car jack someone, etc.
But to actually believe that gun ownership will stop or even reduce terrorism is a joke.
If you guys are so worried about burgelers and robbers how about we actively remove all guns and actively install burgler alarms and more security cameras. Would that work?
Every other country in the world has realised that less guns = less gun crimes and less gun deaths.
The US is becoming mocked globally as morons over its inability to do the same.
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Are you an indiot? America is the greatest and most powerful nation on the planet remember? First man on the moon. Trillion dollar military Budget. Surely we can use this to confiscate the guns that our country is presently flooded with???
How many times, during a massacre, has one of the victims "defended" themselves from the American terrorist with the weapon? Almost never, if ever!!!
Is so fucking simple. Take the guns away. No guns = no gun massacres. This is how all other countries do it ... We can do the same. And Obama's going to be the guy to do it.
Jesus Christ you are retarded.
You mean ban guns like the government banned drugs?
There will never be "no guns" - get that out of your empty head
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If you guys are so worried about burgelers and robbers how about we actively remove all guns and actively install burgler alarms and more security cameras. Would that work?
Every other country in the world has realised that less guns = less gun crimes and less gun deaths.
The US is becoming mocked globally as morons over its inability to do the same.
That solution is very limited, and I'm sure you have sense enough to realize it.
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We can do the same.
Do you claim to be American, gib?
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Jesus Christ you are retarded.
You mean ban guns like the government banned drugs?
There will never be "no guns" - get that out of your empty head
So the mightiest country in the world, can defeat and conquer nations, but can't manage to take away weapons from terrorists in its own country? Kind of fucked up isn't it? ...
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If you guys are so worried about burgelers and robbers how about we actively remove all guns and actively install burgler alarms and more security cameras. Would that work?
Every other country in the world has realised that less guns = less gun crimes and less gun deaths.
The US is becoming mocked globally as morons over its inability to do the same.
You've obviously never been robbed at gunpoint.
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Every other country in the world has realised that less guns = less gun crimes and less gun deaths.
You keep repeating this lie , either you didn't read the study or you did and refuse to accept facts. Either way you're wrong.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
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Do you claim to be American, gib?
He's a troll account nothing more. He just outed himself.
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So the mightiest country in the world, can defeat and conquer nations, but can't manage to take away weapons from terrorists in its own country? Kind of fucked up isn't it? ...
That is the price of freedom, but I'm sure you would have rather lived in Soviet Russia under the KGB, ya fucking jackass
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That is the price of freedom, but I'm sure you would have rather lived in Soviet Russia under the KGB, ya fucking jackass
The solution to save 12 victims in SB is to create ( low estimate 80,000 to as high as 2 million ) 2 million more from disarming law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves legally with firearms. fantastic logic ::)
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Every day, people with questionable intent are stopped in their tracks, run off property, dissuaded from robbing stores, etc. etc. thanks to someone with proper intent being armed.
But here come the Fantasyland Folks to tell you that violence will be "diminished" or "stopped" or whatever they can convince you of -- yeah, doesn't matter, they'll take it.
Wolves in motherfuckjng sheep clothes, leading the stupid. Then the stupid take to Getbig and litter the boards with their bullshit.
That's what is going on here.
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He's a troll account nothing more. He just outed himself.
X2 he fucked that one up, but we're to take his word on the gun issue.
Not a serious poster.
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The solution to save 12 victims in SB is to create ( low estimate 80,000 to as high as 2 million ) 2 million more from disarming law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves legally with firearms. fantastic logic ::)
If we can save just one life its worth it ::), think of the children ::) I could keep going but if I keep typing liberal non sense I will probably vomit on my keyboard
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So the mightiest country in the world, can defeat and conquer nations, but can't manage to take away weapons from terrorists in its own country? Kind of fucked up isn't it? ...
As long as they leave one gun....a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun.
For me to stick up your ass and pull the trigger until it goes click.
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http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/ (http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/)
The madness has to stop!
shut up commy, we kicked brits out for talkin like this, and conceal arry gun state missouri has 10% of gun deaths of uk, watch the dude own shitbag on CNN
BOOOOOOM piers morgan has false stats from UK that count 1 shooting of 40 as 1 incident unlike USA!!! BOOOM!!
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That is the price of freedom, but I'm sure you would have rather lived in Soviet Russia under the KGB, ya fucking jackass
No. I'd rather live we could live like they do in Australia or New Zealand. Where they have freedom without gun massacers ...
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you've been drinking the koolaid quite neoliberally
have a look at the economic performance of these states during these oppressive "idiotic" periods and report back to me on your findings.
hope this helps, enjoy and your day
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Assuming you are referring to Venezuela, and communism, try 18.5% unemployment, shortage of access to essential goods (toilet pape, sugar, corn, flour...) did you mean their economy grew when oil was over $100/barrel? If you want to trawl up a graph of econimic growth, see what the growth has been since oil has hovered from $40-60 per barrel.
Do you know how economic work? Or running a shop? Oil is 1c/litre in Venezuela. Great economising and totally not bribing the populace there. Still lost the most recent elections.
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No. I'd rather live we could live like they do in Australia or New Zealand. Where they have freedom without gun massacers ...
Then go to fucking kiwi land, and good riddance. No one is forcing you to stay in the US.
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Then go to fucking kiwi land, and good riddance. No one is forcing you to stay in the US.
That's one of the more stupid and moronic responses I have heard. Rather than leave our country due to feed of terrorists, why not try change it so as to avoid the risks of such terrorism occurring?
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That's one of the more stupid and moronic responses I have heard. Rather than leave our country due to feed of terrorists, why not try change it so as to avoid the risks of such terrorism occurring?
Well you don't seem to like anything about it, the constitution, how dumb gun owners are. Why stay? There is process for amending the constitution, you don't want to do that, just keep passing unconstitutional laws until you get what you want. You wouldn't be all in for that shit if someone started asking for common sense laws against free speech, freedom of religion, illegal search and seizure, or the right to due process. But because you fear an inanimate object the 2nd is open season.
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The constitution really is just an illusion much like the bible, it can be interpreted in many ways.
The reality is that we have made many interpretations of it as suit us and our current needs in society.
Same reason we don't currently allow people to keep nuclear or biological weapons (which they arguably have a right to as a right to "bare arms".
The whole thing is fucking ludicrous and the rest of the world is laughing at us. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
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The constitution really is just an illusion much like the bible, it can be interpreted in many ways.
The reality is that we have made many interpretations of it as suit us and our current needs in society.
Same reason we don't currently allow people to keep nuclear or biological weapons (which they arguably have a right to as a right to "bare arms".
The whole thing is fucking ludicrous and the rest of the world is laughing at us. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
Now you've gone off the deep end. Who the hell could afford let alone store a nuclear or biological weapon? You seem to think I care what the rest of the world thinks, I don't. I don't get involved in their politics and they can stay out of the US's. The only thing the US has to be ashamed of is, how far we have let this country stray from its constitution. And how stupid voters are, we actually have a say in who out leaders, but what do we do? If your a Dem you vote for the guy with a D next to his name, same for the Reps, be damned what they stand for or how much they lie. Same bunch of assholes in congress year after year, and people wonder why nothing changes.
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The constitution really is just an illusion much like the bible, it can be interpreted in many ways.
The reality is that we have made many interpretations of it as suit us and our current needs in society.
Same reason we don't currently allow people to keep nuclear or biological weapons (which they arguably have a right to as a right to "bare arms".
The whole thing is fucking ludicrous and the rest of the world is laughing at us. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
Adonis gimmick...
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Adonis gimmick...
I think so , he joined in 2003 so makes perfect sense.
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Now you've gone off the deep end. Who the hell could afford let alone store a nuclear or biological weapon? You seem to think I care what the rest of the world thinks, I don't. I don't get involved in their politics and they can stay out of the US's. The only thing the US has to be ashamed of is, how far we have let this country stray from its constitution. And how stupid voters are, we actually have a say in who out leaders, but what do we do? If your a Dem you vote for the guy with a D next to his name, same for the Reps, be damned what they stand for or how much they lie. Same bunch of assholes in congress year after year, and people wonder why nothing changes.
What? So you are now basing your interpretation on how much it costs to buy and store a weapon?!? W T F???
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What? So you are now basing your interpretation on how much it costs to buy and store a weapon?!? W T F???
Yeah thats what I said ::) Your as big a buffoon as 240
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Y'all figure it out yet? We're dying out here, fellas.
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Questions for all gun loving Americans here. How do you feel when you go overseas? Do you feel naked, insecure, less confident! Less manley? Or do you feel safer, being in a place with less gun psychos?
Second question. Do you sleep with a gun in your room? Would you really be able to grab it in time if a bogey man broke in and appeared in your bedroom middle of the night? Is your gun pre-loaded? In a locked box?
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Questions for all gun loving Americans here. How do you feel when you go overseas? Do you feel naked, insecure, less confident! Less manley? Or do you feel safer, being in a place with less gun psychos?
Just got back, here's my take. Personally, I felt much more safe knowing these folks were all legally disarmed. Saw the Louvre, the Eiffel, shared a lovely croissant - not a care in the world.
Then we went to this rock gig at a local theater ...
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Questions for all gun loving Americans here. How do you feel when you go overseas? Do you feel naked, insecure, less confident! Less manley? Or do you feel safer, being in a place with less gun psychos?
Second question. Do you sleep with a gun in your room? Would you really be able to grab it in time if a bogey man broke in and appeared in your bedroom middle of the night? Is your gun pre-loaded? In a locked box?
Suck Paki cock gimmick
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Suck Paki cock gimmick
Keep your gay fantasies to yourself ph@@gott
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Just got back, here's my take. Personally, I felt much more safe knowing these folks were all legally disarmed. Saw the Louvre, the Eiffel, shared a lovely croissant - not a care in the world.
Then we went to this rock gig at a local theater ...
;D
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The constitution really is just an illusion much like the bible, it can be interpreted in many ways.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cornel-west-says-in-resignation-letter-over-tenure-dispute-that-harvard-is-in-decline-and-decay/ar-AAM6A29
Cornell West is out.
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Questions for all gun loving Americans here. How do you feel when you go overseas? Do you feel naked, insecure, less confident! Less manley? Or do you feel safer, being in a place with less gun psychos?
Second question. Do you sleep with a gun in your room? Would you really be able to grab it in time if a bogey man broke in and appeared in your bedroom middle of the night? Is your gun pre-loaded? In a locked box?
What Europeans just don’t get.
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Just got back, here's my take. Personally, I felt much more safe knowing these folks were all legally disarmed. there were no Ghetto Dindus. Saw the Louvre, the Eiffel, shared a lovely croissant - not a care in the world.
Then we went to this rock gig at a local theater ...
FYP
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I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.
You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?
You fucking dimwit.
Things will change shortly in Sweden as multiculturalism is taking hold and immigrants from 3rd world countries flood the cities/communities.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cornel-west-says-in-resignation-letter-over-tenure-dispute-that-harvard-is-in-decline-and-decay/ar-AAM6A29
Cornell West is out.
Good. That dude is a nutjob.
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Good. That dude is a nutjob.
And all the people said as one, "FUCK YEAH!" ;D
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http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/ (http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/)
The madness has to stop!
AUS has its own laws and they don't concern me. USA's laws may interest you since you obviously wish you were American, but they really don't concern you, Cuckadile Dundee.
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AUS has its own laws and they don't concern me. USA's laws may interest you since you obviously wish you were American, but they really don't concern you, Cuckadile Dundee.
GIB is black Afro (known as Vince G.)
;D
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GIB is black Afro (known as Vince G.)
;D
I stand corrected. Thank you, sir.