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Remember the Cold War? The Iron Curtain.
Travel between the West and the Eastern Bloc countries were severely restricted. Of course if you lived in a Communist Country you weren't allowed to just leave. That's what the Berlin War was for. That's why one of my cousins was shot trying to cross the Mekong river.
And if a Westerner should want to visit the Soviet Union or Poland or East Germany or Romania... you had to show very good reason, wasn't easy to do, and were watched very closely. You were not allowed to simply go out on your own.
The reason was that we were at war. We have to accept the grim reality that we can't really be allies with any existing government in the Middle East keeping minimal, and frosty ties, on an official level.
We should not expect such reciprocal exchanges with countries that are either theocratic or autocratic, nor should students or intellectuals from undemocratic countries of the presently constituted Middle East should come to the United States.
Just as there was an Iron Curtain there has to be an Iron Veil. At least, if you believe we are at war.
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
lol if we stopped doing that the news would have no choice but to start reporting about the issues at home. Imagine, without this overseas coverage the news would have to cover the american poor, the non stop crime with or without guns, the corruption etc.
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Big Ramy will be barred from competing at the Olympia. :'(
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
Nothing is easier than to second guess and what should or should not have been done in the past. We can't go back in time. The question is, what should be done now?
And do you honestly believe that if we didn't support the Shah of Iran, ended our support of Israel, never invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, let Kuwait be annexed by Iraq, ended all involvement in the Middle East, that they would leave us alone?
They don't hate us for we we do. They hate us for what we are. What did France do to the Muslims other than welcome them into their country?
What do the conflicts in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo have in common? America supporting and defending Muslims.
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Yes, we should all go back to our "corners" for a few hundred years to let the sides cool off. Pity this world isn't any bigger.
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
We put Saddam in place.
We trained the first WTC bombers during the proxy war with Russia.
We supplied the WMDs used against the Kurds.
We encouraged the Kurd coup and backed out.
Our own "Left Behind" reading whackjobs drive domestic and foreign policy.
We (as a culture) can't understand that things don't occur in a vacuum.
I wonder if it's even possible to weed-out ISIS (and other douchebag groups) without putting serious troops on the ground.
I also doubt we have the stomach to take out the clerics radicalizing folks and tolerate the level of collateral damage it would take to instill fear in anyone who would aid/tolerate radicals in their presence. You'd need a psychopath that didn't care about being reelected and a military willing to ignore the Geneva Convention.
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
Definitely!
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Fed into what? Spare you the b.s.? Television hogwash? Huh??
I presented the general concensus concerning how muslims are perceived.
The vast majority are god-fearing, peaceful and devout Muslims. Regardless of religion, faith, community, culture, etc....any people practicing peace rarely find themselves in the headlines nationally or internationally.
The much, much smaller sect of Islam are the more outspoken Muslims who are considered radical because they defend their beliefs loudly and passionately. It's not that they are wrong, but they are atypical Muslims representing the Muslim majority....they take a stand publically when others won't or can't. Hence we get the "Muslim Rage Boy". He attends many a Muslim rally and his pictures depict him as angry and violent, but that doens't mean he is....gotta read between the lines.
This leaves us with the smallest class of Muslims. The criminally-insane extremists that don't represent the Muslim majority or the radicals, but scare the hell out of both worldwide populations of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Although small in numbers, these folks murder the innocent and committ any atrocity that allows them to meet a desired end....their motives are clearly based in insanity and the damage they inflict is horrific. Extremists aren't just Muslim though, they exist in many different groups, faiths and communities.
Muslim extremists are on a definite warpath and I have no doubt they will not be stopped by the United States, the UN or anyone or anything.
Just a sad, sad state of affairs watching the evil of men be unfolded and played out before our eyes. People do so many stupid, evil things.
Again, there is nothing that can control the spread of Islam and the further persecution of any of religion, theology or non-Islamic way of thinking.
ALTHOUGH, I do not hate Muslims and find that most Muslims are not part of the extremist sect. They are typically loving folks. I pray that Jesus Christ can be correctly represented in their lives and that they can come to understand who he truly is.
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
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Remember the Cold War? The Iron Curtain.
Travel between the West and the Eastern Bloc countries were severely restricted. Of course if you lived in a Communist Country you weren't allowed to just leave. That's what the Berlin War was for. That's why one of my cousins was shot trying to cross the Mekong river.
And if a Westerner should want to visit the Soviet Union or Poland or East Germany or Romania... you had to show very good reason, wasn't easy to do, and were watched very closely. You were not allowed to simply go out on your own.
The reason was that we were at war. We have to accept the grim reality that we can't really be allies with any existing government in the Middle East keeping minimal, and frosty ties, on an official level.
We should not expect such reciprocal exchanges with countries that are either theocratic or autocratic, nor should students or intellectuals from undemocratic countries of the presently constituted Middle East should come to the United States.
Just as there was an Iron Curtain there has to be an Iron Veil. At least, if you believe we are at war.
You're oriental?
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This Man knew what was going to happen.. when it comes to the US i just wonder how many will think liberal thoughts...
The so called "moderate Muslim" will not be so understanding when they take over areas in your Neighbourhood. Look at the UK for proof.
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North Dakota: Muslim refugee raped gas station clerk while uttering allah akbar
MAPLETON, N.D. (Valley News Live) – The man accused of kidnapping and sexually assaulting a woman at Gordy’s Travel Plaza in Mapleton, North Dakota refused to show up to court this morning.
A Cass County Sheriff Deputy tells us they will try again to get Abdulrahman Ali out of his jail cell and in front of the judge. If Ali refuses they may use probable cause and set bail.
Ali is facing 5 felony counts including; gross sexual imposition, kidnapping, aggravated assault, and two counts of terrorizing.
According to court documents Ali forced a woman working at Gordy’s Travel Plaza into the women’s bathroom, locked the door behind him and started assaulting her in the center of the room naked.
When law enforcement arrived they began striking the door with a closed fist and yelling loudly, “open the door now,” according to documents. Officers also began to kick in the door around 20 times and yelling, “Are there any weapons?” At that time officers heard Ali say “She is my wife.”
The door eventually opened and officers found Ali completely naked and the victim was injured and in tears.
Well-vetted Muslims – like many of the illegals from Latin America – are mentally unstable and present extreme risks to American citizens, particularly women and children. A sane nation would not subject their citizens to such atrocities. via Family of accused rapist say’s he’s a sick man
Fargo, N.D. (Valley News Live): The sister of a man in jail tonight accused of raping a woman at a Mapleton, North Dakota gas station says he has a mental disorder.
Cass County Investigators say Abdulrahman Ali forced a female clerk into the bathroom where he raped her. The victim told authorities she could hear Ali mumbling, but could not understand him. Once deputies arrived, they broke down the door and arrested Ali. After Valley News Live reported that Ali refused to leave his jail cell for today’s arraignment, his family contacted us saying he is a sick man.
Mote in link
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/north-dakota-muslim-raped-terrorized-gas-station-clerk-uttered-allah-akbar-during-assault/
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
I'm not a fan of ANY religion, and I've challenged your god beliefs in many a thread, Man of Steel, but I've never not liked you (in fact, I think quite highly of you), and I am happy you've come around to understanding the truth about the evil that is "true" Islam.
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Remember the Cold War? The Iron Curtain.
Travel between the West and the Eastern Bloc countries were severely restricted. Of course if you lived in a Communist Country you weren't allowed to just leave. That's what the Berlin War was for. That's why one of my cousins was shot trying to cross the Mekong river.
And if a Westerner should want to visit the Soviet Union or Poland or East Germany or Romania... you had to show very good reason, wasn't easy to do, and were watched very closely. You were not allowed to simply go out on your own.
The reason was that we were at war. We have to accept the grim reality that we can't really be allies with any existing government in the Middle East keeping minimal, and frosty ties, on an official level.
We should not expect such reciprocal exchanges with countries that are either theocratic or autocratic, nor should students or intellectuals from undemocratic countries of the presently constituted Middle East should come to the United States.
Just as there was an Iron Curtain there has to be an Iron Veil. At least, if you believe we are at war.
Great points, and action on this level must be taken, sooner or later.
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Nothing is easier than to second guess and what should or should not have been done in the past. We can't go back in time. The question is, what should be done now?
And do you honestly believe that if we didn't support the Shah of Iran, ended our support of Israel, never invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, let Kuwait be annexed by Iraq, ended all involvement in the Middle East, that they would leave us alone?
They don't hate us for we we do. They hate us for what we are. What did France do to the Muslims other than welcome them into their country?
What do the conflicts in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo have in common? America supporting and defending Muslims.
you mean besides algeria, lybia, morocco, tunsia, guy, senegal, cameroon, burkina faso, ect ect ect? most people dont take being invaded and governed by an outside country too kindly
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I also doubt we have the stomach to take out the clerics radicalizing folks and tolerate the level of collateral damage it would take to instill fear in anyone who would aid/tolerate radicals in their presence. You'd need a psychopath that didn't care about being reelected and a military willing to ignore the Geneva Convention.
We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.
Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
if anyone followed their religion to the written word; they'd be legal slavery, incest, pedophilia, animal sacrifice, and tons of other bullshit. they're only lapse belibers and true ones. the bible and torah has some sick shit in it
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I'm not a fan of ANY religion, and I've challenged your god beliefs in many a thread, Man of Steel, but I've never not liked you (in fact, I think quite highly of you), and I am happy you've come around to understanding the truth about the evil that is "true" Islam.
Well, I appreciate that. I do my best to learn and if a more informed perspective presents itself that simply outweighs my understanding then I'm humble enough to say "hey, I was wrong".
I still believe that the vast majority of those that profess Islam (yet don't follow Muhammad's teachings) are truly kind, loving people. Me, I wanna see them turned for Christ!
Further I have respect for those that disagree with me and challenge and ask questions....I enjoy that back and forth.
In the end, I just want to represent Christ, love on others and challenge them with considering a Christian walk in their lives.
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if anyone followed their religion to the written word; they'd be legal slavery, incest, pedophilia, animal sacrifice, and tons of other bullshit. they're only lapse belibers and true ones. the bible and torah has some sick shit in it
I hear you and understand what you're suggesting. The bible contains deplorable acts because it fully discloses the wicked hearts of men and their need to humbly surrender to God. What the majority of folks don't understand about scripture is the "next level" of study.
For example, folks simply see or hear the word "slavery" in scripture and think it refers to slavery of the antebellum south in the US. Just not the case. Further, so many believe that because "it's in the bible then it's supported by the God". Again, just not the case.
Even further, so many believe exactly as you stated, that if say Christians followed the scriptures exactly as written that they'd own slaves, sacrifice bulls and goats, have concubines, have multiple wives, engage in incestuous acts, not eat shellfish, never judge poeple, etc.....what's missing is a deeper understanding of the word well beyond the surface objections that say Bill Maher would casually present on HBO...that's the majority of what most folks understand and it's woefully ignorant.
I do my level best to set the record straight and most people have never heard that before (because most "Christians" don't understand the scriptures either). I speak about such topics and their greater context and most folks that present the surface objections will tell me, "no, that's bull$**t! that's not what it says!" Nevermind that they've never actually read the scriptures (let alone studied them) and have simply regurgitated the flawed, surface objections of a random Comedy Central comedian.
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This is exactly....exactly....th e type of understanding I was replying to residue about in my post above.
"Timothy McVeigh was a Christian" or "Hitler was a Christian"!!
"Hey, I saw an hour long documentary on Hulu that said so. And that documentary aligned with my presuppositions about religion so I'm gonna stick with that!!"
I think many folks today get a lot of their "knowledge" about God from internet memes and youtube atheists.
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I just wish we wouldn't have to get messed up in political affairs overseas and just be in isolation.
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But he didn't commit his atrocities in the name of his god, did he?
As well, one ill man is not the same as tens of millions the world over, from strictly independent nations/regions, all going equally nuts with violence towards the same "adversary".
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Invest in fear. Small inlay; big rewards. No shortage of buyers.
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I just wish we wouldn't have to get messed up in political affairs overseas and just be in isolation.
I take it you are an American ? it´s not getting messed up in overseas affairs i would say Europe has to deal with the results of the US's affairs overseas.
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Oh FFS. McVeigh was a Christian? Was he shouting JESUS SAVES JESUS LOVES YOU all the time? No. He was about as Christian as me, born into a Christian family but probably didn't believe any of it. Hey Santa Claus is more real to me as on Christmas eve when I was 8 I saw a shooting star and I thought that was Santa in his sleigh.
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We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.
Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)
I wonder if a ban on Muslims entering the US scares them more than ISIS.
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Instead of putting all their energy in this shit, why not first have a hard stance on pedophiles and rapists? I would like to see the law punish these fuckers in a medieval way.
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
As a person who comes from a Muslim family I agree 100% with this statement. HOWEVER, something, that is not often talked about is that... just as Christians have the new testament which softens the scriptures and offers a " rational" explanation to the old testament. Muslims have what's called "hadith" which are religious documents that are supposed to provide a rational interpretation of the radical verses in the Koran. Basically a way of saying " No, that's not really what's meant by -- fill in radical verse--" only problem is there are thousands of these documents, good luck finding the right ones and not running into contradictory ones :/
With that being said.... I'm out of the country right now for work.... Hope Trump let's me back in this weekend ;D
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As a person who comes from a Muslim family I agree 100% with this statement. HOWEVER, something, that is not often talked about is that... just as Christians have the new testament which softens the scriptures and offers a " rational" explanation to the old testament. Muslims have what's called "hadith" which are religious documents that are supposed to provide a rational interpretation of the radical verses in the Koran. Basically a way of saying " No, that's not really what's meant by -- fill in radical verse--" only problem is there are thousands of these documents, good luck finding the right ones and not running into contradictory ones :/
With that being said.... I'm out of the country right now for work.... Hope Trump let's me back in this weekend ;D
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Interesting Quotes from the Hadith:
Muhammad said that if someone leaves Islam, to kill him.
Of the Unbelievers: Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5)
Take not the Jews and Christians for friends ... slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who ... believe not in Allah nor the Last Day” (Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41).
Sura 9:39 “If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put others in your place”
Sura 9:123: “Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him.” Hey neighbor how do you feel about this?
This guy called it:
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
Is this what your church is telling you?
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Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.
This.
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Is this what your church is telling you?
Is there any such animal as a moderate Christian?
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Nothing is easier than to second guess and what should or should not have been done in the past. We can't go back in time. The question is, what should be done now?
And do you honestly believe that if we didn't support the Shah of Iran, ended our support of Israel, never invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, let Kuwait be annexed by Iraq, ended all involvement in the Middle East, that they would leave us alone?
They don't hate us for we we do. They hate us for what we are. What did France do to the Muslims other than welcome them into their country?
What do the conflicts in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo have in common? America supporting and defending Muslims.
You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.
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You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.
Arguing with Pellius is like picking a fight with a kid with autism. Just let it be Parker.
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Is this what your church is telling you?
My church says virtually nothing about ISIS and Islam or any other religion or faith system for that matter.
They'll pray for victims of terrorist attacks and that sort of thing.
Maybe folks discuss it in small group settings at church, but I personally haven't been part of that discussion.
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Oh FFS. McVeigh was a Christian? Was he shouting JESUS SAVES JESUS LOVES YOU all the time? No. He was about as Christian as me, born into a Christian family but probably didn't believe any of it. Hey Santa Claus is more real to me as on Christmas eve when I was 8 I saw a shooting star and I thought that was Santa in his sleigh.
Um, 8? ???
Sure you want to stick with this story?
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My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.
I used to feel like I do in the following posts:
Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point. In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists". What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim. That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings. ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.
who would have known the only Christian would also be an authority on who is and isn't Islamic
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My church says virtually nothing about ISIS and Islam or any other religion or faith system for that matter.
They'll pray for victims of terrorist attacks and that sort of thing.
Maybe folks discuss it in small group settings at church, but I personally haven't been part of that discussion.
you seem like a good man. However wake up to the reality of it, our Knights fought them and it will come again to a war.
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who would have known the only Christian would also be an authority on who is and isn't Islamic
Who said I was an expert on Islam? What are the first two words of my post? They are "My position".....this is my take on the situation.
I've read multiple books on Islam, I've watched hours and hours of Islamic debate, I've been in several discussions with Muslims myself and based upon that information and the current practices of ISIS my stance on Islam has changed and I believe my previous opinion about "extremist Islam" was wrong.
If you disagree then so be it.
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you seem like a good man. However wake up to the reality of it, our Knights fought them and it will come again to a war.
Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.
Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks.... I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam". ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.
For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9 to present their case against Islam. As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today. I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.
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Who said I was an expert on Islam? What are the first two words of my post? They are "My position".....this is my take on the situation.
I've read multiple books on Islam, I've watched hours and hours of Islamic debate, I've been in several discussions with Muslims myself and based upon that information and the current practices of ISIS my stance on Islam has changed and I believe my previous opinion about "extremist Islam" was wrong.
If you disagree then so be it.
ok I stand corrected I should have said :
who would have known the only Christian would also have a position on who is and isn't Islamic
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ok I stand corrected I should have said :
who would have known the only Christian would also have a position on who is and isn't Islamic
LOL ok, I guess I am.
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You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.
Well, both Britain and America has done some colonizing as well. But I'm not sure I understand your point. I know you are not suggesting that France had it coming and what goes around comes around.
France has allowed easy access for Muslims to enter their country and look how they have fared. The same can happen here. There should be no religious test to enter this country but Islam is more than just a religion. It is a political and cultural ideology.
The fact of the matter is, where ever Muslims goes they create war, oppression, murder and suffering. They must be contained and one of the reasons Trump has such a populist appeal. He's brave enough to say what most people are thinking.
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Arguing with Pellius is like picking a fight with a kid with autism. Just let it be Parker.
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This.
That everyone, myself included, agrees that the best way to govern the Middle East is with a collection of tyrannical dictators speaks volumes about the area.
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We should have a poll who will be the next terrorist group after ISIS. Maybe Obama could drop a hint in his next speech.
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Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.
Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks.... I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam". ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.
For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9 to present their case against Islam. As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today. I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.
Thoughtful and interesting observation. Couldn't the same be said regarding any religion?
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Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.
Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks.... I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam". ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.
For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9 to present their case against Islam. As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today. I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.
Goodness you're stupid. Isis is not Islam period. Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying. Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up. Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics. They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda.
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Goodness you're stupid. Isis is not Islam period. Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying. Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up. Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics. They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda.
Has to be sarcastic.....
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Your passport doesn't say your religion, and just because your name is Ahmed doesn't mean you're a muslim. How would you enforce it?
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Your passport doesn't say your religion, and just because your name is Ahmed doesn't mean you're a muslim. How would you enforce it?
Make them pass a bacon eating test?
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Make them pass a bacon eating test?
It would be ridiculously unfair on the majority of muslims, and unpoliceable... however, the mention of increased security checks on muslims shouldn't cause outcry. It happened Irish people when the IRA were bombing NI and UK even though they were a few hundred terrorists/harbourers with probably a few thousand supporting their actions. You wanna go to a country where people of your kind are carrying out terrorism be prepared to face more scrutiny.
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^ It'd be the Bacon of Peace.
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Make them pass a bacon eating test?
Bacon can be fucking good man... I know tons of Muslims that lax their principles to eat it. LoL
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Bacon can be fucking good man... I know tons of Muslims that lax their principles to eat it. LoL
I'd only have to know about 5 really fat people to know a ton of them. Define please.
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I'd only have to know about 5 really fat people to know a ton of them. Define please.
;D
Off the top of my head I can name about 17 myself included that will indulge in the swine strips :D although in general I prefer the turkey variant's taste.
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It would be ridiculously unfair on the majority of muslims
So?
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Off the top of my head I can name about 17 myself included that will indulge in the swine strips :D although in general I prefer the turnery variant's taste.
I've had beef bacon in Brooklyn (at a place that keeps Kosher/Halal) that was pretty close o the real thing.
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I've had beef bacon in Brooklyn (at a place that keeps Kosher/Halal) that was pretty close o the real thing.
I have never heard of beef Bacon but this is something that must be explored
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I have never heard of beef Bacon but this is something that must be explored
I didn't realize it wasn't pork.
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So?
Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?
Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.
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Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?
Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.
Is there a limit to "greater" or does it increase every time there's an incident?
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Is there a limit to "greater" or does it increase every time there's an incident?
You tell me. If some piece of shit threw the odd egg at my house I'd probably look out the window more often. If they kept lopping rocks through the windows I'd put in CCTV and wait to catch them.
Let's say you have 20 more mass shooting and bombings by proclaimed IS loyalists - in the next year - would you submit to more background checks on guns?
(It is probably pointless given someone not under suspicion could buy them and give them to a terrorist no problem)
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You tell me. If some piece of shit threw the odd egg at my house I'd probably look out the window more often. If they kept lopping rocks through the windows I'd put in CCTV and wait to catch them.
Let's say you have 20 more mass shooting and bombings by proclaimed IS loyalists - in the next year - would you submit to more background checks on guns?
(It is probably pointless given someone not under suspicion could buy them and give them to a terrorist no problem)
What's to stop you from hitting up Walmart tonight, radicalizing, and going apeshit?
I've had background checks and don't feel they're a huge deal. Someone who's on a watch list or has a criminal record shouldn't be owning a weapon. That isn't the point. More intrusiveness and fewer rights won't make us safer.
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What's to stop you from hitting up Walmart tonight, radicalizing, and going apeshit?
I've had background checks and don't feel they're a huge deal. Someone who's on a watch list or has a criminal record shouldn't be owning a weapon. That isn't the point. More intrusiveness and fewer rights won't make us safer.
Nothing (to stop you) but if you are muslim and I can keep checking you cos the POTUS says so I might be more alert to your whacko plan.
If you remove muslim from the previous statement you are at the point of most (99%) of mass shootings in USA. What can you do when some whackjob has a gun in a country with lax gun laws (and other issues)...
I don't have a solution.
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Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?
Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.
No, background checks are already in place. Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.
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No, background checks are already in place. Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.
So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..
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He didn't kill in the name of Christianity like Muslims do with Islam. He was mad at the Federal government for Waco raid.
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So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..
One is a constitutional right, the other is not. People have no right to come the US, personally I think we should only allow people in that have a skill that is beneficial to the country.
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No, background checks are already in place. Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.
My original point was - why stop Muslims travelling when the reasoning is based on one (or a few attacks) like San Bernardino when you have mass shootings all the time - this one just happened to be Islamist? Guns, muslims. Which is to blame? Ban both or neither.
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So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..
They already get checked against state and federal databases. The comparison you're reaching for is completely idiotic and I won't entertain you.
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My original point was - why stop Muslims travelling when the reasoning is based on one (or a few attacks) like San Bernardino when you have mass shootings all the time - this one just happened to be Islamist? Guns, muslims. Which is to blame? Ban both or neither.
Really? Mass shootings all the time?
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One is a constitutional right, the other is not. People have no right to come the US, personally I think we should only allow people in that have a skill that is beneficial to the country.
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Seems like it isn't banned anyway.
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So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..
Preserving our rights is the goal, not fairness. Trading our rights for the illusion of safety and/or increasing government intrusiveness doesn't make sense. The govt is who got us into this mess, LOL!
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They already get checked against state and federal databases. The comparison you're reaching for is completely idiotic and I won't entertain you.
How is it completely idiotic? The thread is about restricting the migration of muslims. Restriction of arms would be gawked at, regulation would be welcomed - for guns. Why not for muslims if it works so great (it doesn't) for guns?
@Kazan - lol - all the time? Yeah I'd consider over 300 mass shootings in a calendar year all the time. Women are not on their periods more often.
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Seems like it isn't banned anyway.
What you posted is about slavery
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Preserving our rights is the goal, not fairness. Trading our rights for the illusion of safety and/or increasing government intrusiveness doesn't make sense. The govt is who got us into this mess, LOL!
If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?
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How is it completely idiotic? The thread is about restricting the migration of muslims. Restriction of arms would be gawked at, regulation would be welcomed - for guns. Why not for muslims if it works so great (it doesn't) for guns?
@Kazan - lol - all the time? Yeah I'd consider over 300 mass shootings in a calendar year all the time. Women are not on their periods more often.
Where exactly are you getting this statistic? Mother Jones? More left wing propaganda to push for the gun grab.
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Where exactly are you getting this statistic? Mother Jones? More left wing propaganda to push for the gun grab.
http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015
BTW I am not left wing at all. Far from it. I just don't live in a society with a gun violence issue unwilling to accept it.
I live in a country with a drinking issue sadly proud of it. At least we are honest.
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If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?
Where does the intrusion stop? Friends, neighbors, kids, etc...
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http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015
BTW I am not left wing at all. Far from it. I just don't live in a society with a gun violence issue unwilling to accept it.
I live in a country with a drinking issue sadly proud of it. At least we are honest.
The shooting tracker ::)
http://truthinmedia.com/fact-check-355-mass-shootings-far-2015/ (http://truthinmedia.com/fact-check-355-mass-shootings-far-2015/)
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Where does the intrusion stop? Friends, neighbors, kids, etc...
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You said preserving rights was goal in previous post (justifying keeping guns) but now ask when does intrusion end (ignoring guns and jumping to rights of US citizens to travel)...
Do you not see the ridiculous contradiction in your stance? You either have a right or you don't and the right to travel is a right as is the right to a gun. Place all the laws you want on top to control them, but you can't stop them.
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The shooting tracker ::)
http://truthinmedia.com/fact-check-355-mass-shootings-far-2015/ (http://truthinmedia.com/fact-check-355-mass-shootings-far-2015/)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/
Sorry, those corrupted folks at PBS and the Guardian disagree.
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If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?
Well that depends, Farook was an American who traveled to Saudi Arabia and came back a jihdi.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/
Sorry, those corrupted folks at PBS and the Guardian disagree.
And they all get their stats from shooting tracker. If there were 355 mass shootings in the US it would be a 24/7 news cycle for a year. No such thing happened. You have to look at how the stats are collected and what said collector considers a mass shooting. Is shooting a couple kids with a BB gun a mass shooting?
Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of the propaganda that gets put out there...........
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Well that depends, Farook was an American who traveled to Saudi Arabia and came back a jihdi.
So to be clear... Your argument is, any Muslim American citizen living in the US cannot travel to a country like Saudi Arabia (a country that the US considers an ally) but any other American say a Jew or a catholic or an athiest can?
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And they all get their stats from shooting tracker. If there were 355 mass shootings in the US it would be a 24/7 news cycle for a year. No such thing happened. You have to look at how the stats are collected and what said collector considers a mass shooting. Is shooting a couple kids with a BB gun a mass shooting?
Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of the propaganda that gets put out there...........
"There are three kinds of lies....."
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Goodness you're stupid. Isis is not Islam period. Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying. Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up. Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics. They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda.
Such a delusional, angry man. You may call ISIS anything you want but they identify themselves as Sunni Muslims and kill in the name of Allah. You sound like Obama. Too afraid to admit that we are at war with Radical Islam.
You sound like a Muslim. Are you?
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If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?
No, I am not talking about American Muslims that are US citizens. I am talking about non citizens and refugees trying to enter the country. We can't adequately vet all of the Muslims. There is a large group of Muslims that want to kill us. We are under no obligation to accept foreigners from anywhere in the world and as non citizens they don't have the same rights as US citizens.
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Well, both Britain and America has done some colonizing as well. But I'm not sure I understand your point. I know you are not suggesting that France had it coming and what goes around comes around.
France has allowed easy access for Muslims to enter their country and look how they have fared. The same can happen here. There should be no religious test to enter this country but Islam is more than just a religion. It is a political and cultural ideology.
The fact of the matter is, where ever Muslims goes they create war, oppression, murder and suffering. They must be contained and one of the reasons Trump has such a populist appeal. He's brave enough to say what most people are thinking.
The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.
Lets look at the last 15 years.
The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.
Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.
Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people" . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.
Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.
Still bombing Iraq and Syria.
And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?
Frightening! ???
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The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.
Lets look at the last 15 years.
The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.
Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.
Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people" . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.
Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.
Still bombing Iraq and Syria.
And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?
Frightening! ???
Dude, you need to stop harshing on pellius' low-rent demagoguery.
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So to be clear... Your argument is, any Muslim American citizen living in the US cannot travel to a country like Saudi Arabia (a country that the US considers an ally) but any other American say a Jew or a catholic or an athiest can?
Well you tell me, there are at least 2 instances of supposedly normal American muslims heading over to whateverstan and coming back full jihadi. Boston Marathon bombers and now the San Bernardino assclowns. Probably more just not reported. What exactly in happening to these people, that all of the sudden they are yelling allah akbar and killing the infidel?
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The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.
Lets look at the last 15 years.
The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.
Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.
Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people" . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.
Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.
Still bombing Iraq and Syria.
And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?
Frightening! ???
Would you rather live in the US or Western Europe or in an Islamic country?
The rest has been explained in detail in the exchange between OMR and myself. But again, it goes into some detail therefore may be a bit over your head.
Being a Muslim sympathizer is getting us killed.
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Dude, you need to stop harshing on pellius' low-rent demagoguery.
As you sit back on your high horse always passing judgement on others but never your own thoughts and/or solutions.
Fence-sitting bench warmer.
BTW, lol @ "dude". A balding, flaccid middle age man with a saggy pouch trying to be hip.
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Would you rather live in the US or Western Europe or in an Islamic country?
The rest has been explained in detail in the exchange between OMR and myself. But again, it goes into some detail therefore may be a bit over your head.
Being a Muslim sympathizer is getting us killed.
Pellius in terms of world affairs/politics nothing you've got to say would go over the average 4 year old's head. That is clear from the rubbish you're posting here.
Your government keeps bombing/invading muslim countries causing relatively stable nations to spiral into civil war, and you interpret this as being "muslim sympathisers"
The scary thing is your ridiculously skewed perception is probably not even rare amongst americans.
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The number of Muslims coming into Christian countries has to be controlled. This is the Bottom line. Why do they want to come into our Lands anyway? Has anyone really thought about this? Is it to spread their faith or for Freedom of sexuality and speech?
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Guess it wasn't so crazy when Carter( as president) banned any Iranians from entering the country( and tried to deport all Iranians on student visas) during the Iran Hostage crisis! But then he's immune to criticism as he was a democrat
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Guess it wasn't so crazy when Carter( as president) banned any Iranians from entering the country( and tried to deport all Iranians on student visas) during the Iran Hostage crisis! But then he's immune to criticism as he was a democrat
was a diffrent time.. but.. these Guys saw it coming. I see it this way, they live in our countries they live by our laws and if we say no to the Burka then if they don´t like it...fuck off. They had a big thing about this in Germany recently. France Banned it and in my opinion 100% correct.
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Well you tell me, there are at least 2 instances of supposedly normal American muslims heading over to whateverstan and coming back full jihadi. Boston Marathon bombers and now the San Bernardino assclowns. Probably more just not reported. What exactly in happening to these people, that all of the sudden they are yelling allah akbar and killing the infidel?
I didn't say whateverstan (lol ;D) I specifically said, they are going to a Muslim country (THE Muslim country lol) Saudi Arabi, which is considered to be a major ally to the US....there are no travel bans or restrictions for American citizens to visit that country. But You are saying a law should be imposed, barring good old non crazy Muslim Americans to visit, but anybody else can. How does that not go against the US constitution? Wasn't a major part of the founding of this country to allow anyone to practice their religion PEACEFULLY.
Let me use myself for example, I come from a Muslim family, but I am probably the worst example of a muslim ever, lol, I don't practice, I don't fast for Ramadan, I don't pray, I have eaten bacon lol, i check out slutty white girls, but my name is Ahmed , so you can say I'm Muslim by name or by tradition, but it pretty much ends there, aside from changing my name there is no way to hide it. I am an American citizen, I love the US, I love American football and hate soccer, I love Coco (Ice-T's wife) in general I don't give a shit about politics, and I died of laughter when South Park had a full episode on Islam.
I pay my taxes, and I'm a big supporter of US vets, but..., I still have extended family in Egypt that maybe one day I want to visit again and say what up, pick up some conafa dessert.
According to you... Because I was born into a Muslim family, because they named me Ahmed, wasn't even my choice... Lol.... I should be given less rights than all my fellow Americans?
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I didn't say whateverstan (lol ;D) I specifically said, they are going to a Muslim country (THE Muslim country lol) Saudi Arabi, which is considered to be a major ally to the US....there are no travel bans or restrictions for American citizens to visit that country. But You are saying a law should be imposed, barring good old non crazy Muslim Americans to visit, but anybody else can. How does that not go against the US constitution? Wasn't a major part of the founding of this country to allow anyone to practice their religion PEACEFULLY.
Let me use myself for example, I come from a Muslim family, but I am probably the worst example of a muslim ever, lol, I don't practice, I don't fast for Ramadan, I don't pray, I have eaten bacon lol, i check out slutty white girls, but my name is Ahmed , so you can say I'm Muslim by name or by tradition, but it pretty much ends there, aside from changing my name there is no way to hide it. I am an American citizen, I love the US, I love American football and hate soccer, I love Coco (Ice-T's wife) in general I don't give a shit about politics, and I died of laughter when South Park had a full episode on Islam.
I pay my taxes, and I'm a big supporter of US vets, but..., I still have extended family in Egypt that maybe one day I want to visit again and say what up, pick up some conafa dessert.
According to you... Because I was born into a Muslim family, because they named me Ahmed, wasn't even my choice... Lol.... I should be given less rights than all my fellow Americans?
You hate soccer? WTF? ;D
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You hate soccer? WTF? ;D
Fucking hate it man!!!! Hate watching it and hate playing it even more.... You don't stop running, that is way too much fucking cardio for me!
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Fucking hate it man!!!! Hate watching it and hate playing it even more.... You don't stop running, that is way too much fucking cardio for me!
Well at least you eat Bacon Bro... nothing like a Bacon Buttie... :P
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Well at least you eat Bacon Bro... nothing like a Bacon Buttie... :P
I don't eat it regularly... Not for religious reasons but because I like the taste of turkey Bacon more.
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I don't eat it regularly... Not for religious reasons but because I like the taste of turkey Bacon more.
Fair one.. The Bacon Buttie is famous for us Brits with Brown or red sauce. i like red sauce myself :)
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Pellius in terms of world affairs/politics nothing you've got to say would go over the average 4 year old's head. That is clear from the rubbish you're posting here.
Your government keeps bombing/invading muslim countries causing relatively stable nations to spiral into civil war, and you interpret this as being "muslim sympathisers"
The scary thing is your ridiculously skewed perception is probably not even rare amongst americans.
The problem with pellius is that he views the world in black and white - good guys against bad guys. It's a rather childlike and simplistic view to hold especially for a man who seems reasonably well educated.
In his eyes, nations like America and Israel can do no wrong and every act they do can be justified. This is no different to how the Islamists think and it's why the conflicts will remain ongoing. Two equally fanatical sides who aren't capable (or intelligent enough) to realize the damage that they are doing.
Time to act like grown ups now and quit with this tit for tat nonsense.
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Fair one.. The Bacon Buttie is famous for us Brits with Brown or red sauce. i like red sauce myself :)
I think its because growing up overseas I wasn't exposed to the taste of true Bacon, so eating it later in life, I just haven't acquired a taste for it. Same goes for drinking, I don't drink but its nothing to do with religion, its just that my parents never had it at home, so again I never acquired a taste for it.
My vice in my younger years before marriage was the opposite sex ;D
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I have never heard of beef Bacon but this is something that must be explored
duck bacon is even tastier
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I didn't say whateverstan (lol ;D) I specifically said, they are going to a Muslim country (THE Muslim country lol) Saudi Arabi, which is considered to be a major ally to the US....there are no travel bans or restrictions for American citizens to visit that country. But You are saying a law should be imposed, barring good old non crazy Muslim Americans to visit, but anybody else can. How does that not go against the US constitution? Wasn't a major part of the founding of this country to allow anyone to practice their religion PEACEFULLY.
Let me use myself for example, I come from a Muslim family, but I am probably the worst example of a muslim ever, lol, I don't practice, I don't fast for Ramadan, I don't pray, I have eaten bacon lol, i check out slutty white girls, but my name is Ahmed , so you can say I'm Muslim by name or by tradition, but it pretty much ends there, aside from changing my name there is no way to hide it. I am an American citizen, I love the US, I love American football and hate soccer, I love Coco (Ice-T's wife) in general I don't give a shit about politics, and I died of laughter when South Park had a full episode on Islam.
I pay my taxes, and I'm a big supporter of US vets, but..., I still have extended family in Egypt that maybe one day I want to visit again and say what up, pick up some conafa dessert.
According to you... Because I was born into a Muslim family, because they named me Ahmed, wasn't even my choice... Lol.... I should be given less rights than all my fellow Americans?
The Saudi's are not a US allie, no matter what .gov says. You said the key words practice their religion peacefully, apparently the Chechen nuckleheads and Farouk were either non practicing or peaceful at some point. Then all of the sudden they blow up a marathon or walk shoot a bunch of people. What is the trigger? Where in their travels did the jihadi light bulb go on?
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I think its because growing up overseas I wasn't exposed to the taste of true Bacon, so eating it later in life, I just haven't acquired a taste for it. Same goes for drinking, I don't drink but its nothing to do with religion, its just that my parents never had it at home, so again I never acquired a taste for it.
My vice in my younger years before marriage was the opposite sex ;D
I met a German woman who was married to a Turkish Man and lived in Turkey some years. She told me Islamic women are not as innocent as people think. I am not sure if this is true or not.
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I didn't say whateverstan (lol ;D) I specifically said, they are going to a Muslim country (THE Muslim country lol) Saudi Arabi, which is considered to be a major ally to the US....there are no travel bans or restrictions for American citizens to visit that country. But You are saying a law should be imposed, barring good old non crazy Muslim Americans to visit, but anybody else can. How does that not go against the US constitution? Wasn't a major part of the founding of this country to allow anyone to practice their religion PEACEFULLY.
Let me use myself for example, I come from a Muslim family, but I am probably the worst example of a muslim ever, lol, I don't practice, I don't fast for Ramadan, I don't pray, I have eaten bacon lol, i check out slutty white girls, but my name is Ahmed , so you can say I'm Muslim by name or by tradition, but it pretty much ends there, aside from changing my name there is no way to hide it. I am an American citizen, I love the US, I love American football and hate soccer, I love Coco (Ice-T's wife) in general I don't give a shit about politics, and I died of laughter when South Park had a full episode on Islam.
I pay my taxes, and I'm a big supporter of US vets, but..., I still have extended family in Egypt that maybe one day I want to visit again and say what up, pick up some conafa dessert.
According to you... Because I was born into a Muslim family, because they named me Ahmed, wasn't even my choice... Lol.... I should be given less rights than all my fellow Americans?
They're not doing this very well.
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The Saudi's are not a US allie, no matter what .gov says. You said the key words practice their religion peacefully, apparently the Chechen nuckleheads and Farouk were either non practicing or peaceful at some point. Then all of the sudden they blow up a marathon or walk shoot a bunch of people. What is the trigger? Where in their travels did the jihadi light bulb go on?
With the internet and social media nowadays, someone can get radicalized or mentally distorted in the comfort of their own bedroom. I don't think going abroad and visiting a foreign nation is going to make any major difference in how someone thinks.
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The Saudi's are not a US allie, no matter what .gov says. You said the key words practice their religion peacefully, apparently the Chechen nuckleheads and Farouk were either non practicing or peaceful at some point. Then all of the sudden they blow up a marathon or walk shoot a bunch of people. What is the trigger? Where in their travels did the jihadi light bulb go on?
Those are good questions about the triggers etc.... but you still didn't answer my question... Should I be given less rights as an American because my name and my background?
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I met a German woman who was married to a Turkish Man and lived in Turkey some years. She told me Islamic women are not as innocent as people think. I am not sure if this is true or not.
I dunno... I generally preferred the white meat ;D
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Those are good questions about the triggers etc.... but you still didn't answer my question... Should I be given less rights as an American because my name and my background?
No, because you haven't done anything wrong. That is the slippery slope we are on, and why the "moderate" muslims need to root these fuckers out.
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With the internet and social media nowadays, someone can get radicalized or mentally distorted in the comfort of their own bedroom. I don't think going abroad and visiting a foreign nation is going to make any major difference in how someone thinks.
Perhaps, but maybe they get the bug, then head over to asscrackistan to get some training
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No, because you haven't done anything wrong.
And neither had that fucker Farouk prior to last week
That is the slippery slope we are on, and why the "moderate" muslims need to root these fuckers out.
Lol you know we don't have a radar on our head that goes off every time a radical Muslim walks by... Someone like me would be just as lost as you when it comes to rooting them out.
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I dunno... I generally preferred the white meat ;D
OK Bro you are getbig approved. No seriously the fact that you post here shows you are ok with what is written here.
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OK Bro you are getbig approved. No seriously the fact that you post here shows you are ok with what is written here.
Well I do honestly believe this is a discussion that needs to take place, and it is a major problem... But at what expense do we plan on solving it? At the expense of the US constitution?
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Well I do honestly believe this is a discussion that needs to take place, and it is a major problem... But at what expense do we plan on solving it? At the expense of the US constitution?
Alright, cut all this shit. Lets get down to more IMPORTANT business.
BIG ACH, do you still actually believe that Doug Miller is natural? You have stated before that you believe he is natural. Speak on this, honestly.
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Alright, cut all this shit. Lets get down to more IMPORTANT business.
BIG ACH, do you still actually believe that Doug Miller is natural? You have stated before that you believe he is natural. Speak on this, honestly.
Lol you refuse to let this go... At the expense of being called a pussy, I refuse to be roped into this discussion lol. You know my thoughts :)
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Perhaps, but maybe they get the bug, then head over to asscrackistan to get some training
Perhaps, but I don't think a visit to an Islamic nation will be a major turning point. Someone who is a driven towards extremism will be a danger whether they go abroad or not. It's not exactly difficult to get some firearm training in America and all the extremist material can be done online.
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Well I do honestly believe this is a discussion that needs to take place, and it is a major problem... But at what expense do we plan on solving it? At the expense of the US constitution?
Can´t speak for the US and i was never over there but as i wrote i believe that if Muslims come to Europe they should confirm with our laws.
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And neither had that fucker Farouk prior to last week
Lol you know we don't have a radar on our head that goes off every time a radical Muslim walks by... Someone like me would be just as lost as you when it comes to rooting them out.
Seriously what do you think is going to happen if a few more of these incidents happen? People are going to get off the "gun bad" kick at some point and start pointing the finger somewhere else.
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Lol you refuse to let this go... At the expense of being called a pussy, I refuse to be roped into this discussion lol. You know my thoughts :)
BIG ACH, give me a break. The amount of muscle that he has achieved naturally could not even be accomplished by someone like Ronnie Coleman. Yet, if DM did it naturally, that means he has better genetics than Ronnie Coleman. Come on man, put your friendship aside for a moment and think rationally. It is physiologically impossible to carry that amount of muscle while being natural. It's just NOT possible.
You cannot honestly believe that he is natural.
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Can´t speak for the US and i was never over there but as i wrote i believe that if Muslims come to Europe they should confirm with our laws.
Agreed 100%... When in Rome...
.. Dunno why you would come to the US or UK for freedom and try to change the laws to be like the place you left? Why did you leave in the first place then?
BIG ACH, give me a break. The amount of muscle that he has achieved naturally could not even be accomplished by someone like Ronnie Coleman. Yet, if DM did it naturally, that means he has better genetics than Ronnie Coleman. Come on man, put your friendship aside for a moment and think rationally. It is physiologically impossible to carry that amount of muscle while being natural. It's just NOT possible.
1. He is really not that big, he has a small frame that he carries a ton of muscle on
2. If I didn't know him, I'd agree with you, but his obsessiveness is at a whole other level, beyond anything I have ever seen in my life, the man travels with his Tupperware set for fucks sake, never ever ever ever ever cheats. Never ever ever ever misses a work out. Never ever ever ever ever goes half ass, its to the point of weird as shit. This is the only reason I believe he is natural. Not cause he's my friend or anything.
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Agreed 100%... When in Rome...
.. Dunno why you would come to the US or UK for freedom and try to change the laws to be like the place you left? Why did you leave in the first place then?
1. He is really not that big, he has a small frame that he carries a ton of muscle on
2. If I didn't know him, I'd agree with you, but his obsessiveness is at a whole other level, beyond anything I have ever seen in my life, the man travels with his Tupperware set for fucks sake, never ever ever ever ever cheats. Never ever ever ever misses a work out. Never ever ever ever ever goes half ass, its to the point of weird as shit. This is the only reason I believe he is natural. Not cause he's my friend or anything.
1) lol
2) Ronnie Coleman was obsessive when he first started to bodybuild, yet he did not look like DM. Thus, Doug Miller has better genetics than Ronnie Coleman. With that said, if DM jumped on the sauce, he could be bigger and better than Ronnie Coleman. Don't you see how ridiculous this sounds? lol There are MANY people who are just as obsessive as DM is. In fact, I bet most people here were just like DM at some point in their life. Yet, 99.9% of the population, including IFBB pros cannot look like him naturally. I guess DM just happens to be that ONE person who can look like that all naturally. lol. He has better genetics than every single IFBB pro, past and present. ::) ::) Talk about huge cognitive leaps to justify his natural claim lol
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1) lol
2) Ronnie Coleman was obsessive when he first started to bodybuild, yet he did not look like DM. Thus, Doug Miller has better genetics than Ronnie Coleman. With that said, if DM jumped on the sauce, he could be bigger and better than Ronnie Coleman. Don't you see how ridiculous this sounds? lol There are MANY people who are just as obsessive as DM is. In fact, I bet most people here were just like DM at some point in their life. Yet, 99.9% of the population, including IFBB pros cannot look like him naturally. I guess DM just happens to be that ONE person who can look like that all naturally. lol. He has better genetics than every single IFBB pro, past and present. ::) ::) Talk about huge cognitive leaps to justify his natural claim lol
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BIG ACH, please PM your real answer regarding Doug Miller's so-called "natural" status. I know you do not want to publicly state your honest opinion, in fear that you may lose your friendship with Doug Miller. I understand that.
BIG ACH, when was the last time you talked to DM? Are you and him close friends? Or just friends? Acquaintances?
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I didn't say whateverstan (lol ;D) I specifically said, they are going to a Muslim country (THE Muslim country lol) Saudi Arabi, which is considered to be a major ally to the US....there are no travel bans or restrictions for American citizens to visit that country. But You are saying a law should be imposed, barring good old non crazy Muslim Americans to visit, but anybody else can. How does that not go against the US constitution? Wasn't a major part of the founding of this country to allow anyone to practice their religion PEACEFULLY.
Let me use myself for example, I come from a Muslim family, but I am probably the worst example of a muslim ever, lol, I don't practice, I don't fast for Ramadan, I don't pray, I have eaten bacon lol, i check out slutty white girls, but my name is Ahmed , so you can say I'm Muslim by name or by tradition, but it pretty much ends there, aside from changing my name there is no way to hide it. I am an American citizen, I love the US, I love American football and hate soccer, I love Coco (Ice-T's wife) in general I don't give a shit about politics, and I died of laughter when South Park had a full episode on Islam.
I pay my taxes, and I'm a big supporter of US vets, but..., I still have extended family in Egypt that maybe one day I want to visit again and say what up, pick up some conafa dessert.
According to you... Because I was born into a Muslim family, because they named me Ahmed, wasn't even my choice... Lol.... I should be given less rights than all my fellow Americans?
I died of laughter when the Cowboys beat the Redskins last week too 8)
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Doug Miller is a friend of Ach and Doug promotes himself as a natural BB and competes in natural BB shows. Ach isn't going to want to expose his friend on this forum so just goes along with what Doug says.
Obviously he knows that Doug is really juiced to his gills.
LOL @ at the classic "never misses a meal/workout" line. As if missing occasional meals and workouts is going to make any difference in the grand scheme of things. :D ::)
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I died of laughter when the Cowboys beat the Redskins last week too 8)
Yeah fuck off lol that was legit heartbreaking!!!
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BIG ACH, please PM your real answer regarding Doug Miller's so-called "natural" status. I know you do not want to publicly state your honest opinion, in fear that you may lose your friendship with Doug Miller. I understand that.
BIG ACH, when was the last time you talked to DM? Are you and him close friends? Or just friends? Acquaintances?
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Doug Miller is a friend of Ach and Doug promotes himself as a natural BB and competes in natural BB shows. Ach isn't going to want to expose his friend on this forum so just goes along with what Doug says.
Obviously he knows that Doug is really juiced to his gills.
LOL @ at the classic "never misses a meal/workout" line. As if missing occasional meals and workouts is going to make any difference in the grand scheme of things. :D ::)
Yes, BIG ACH is clearly delusional. I think he may have a crush on Doug Miller.
I agree, BIG ACH is not going to want to expose his friend as a liar and user. Obviously, this would have serious implications for DM's career. BIG ACH is a good friend, despite the fact that he is lying for DM.
Missing one meal/workout will not matter. Its ridiculous to assert that this is what makes DM look like he does lol. Its better to just say that he has elite genetics and the rest of us do not.
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It has nothing to do with that I've exposed friends before who lied about their natural status.
It's what I truly believe
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I died of laughter when the Cowboys beat the Redskins last week too 8)
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Whatever dudes, we are still leading the NFC East!
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Yes, BIG ACH is clearly delusional. I think he may have a crush on Doug Miller.
I agree, BIG ACH is not going to want to expose his friend as a liar and user. Obviously, this would have serious implications for DM's career. BIG ACH is a good friend, despite the fact that he is lying for DM.
Missing one meal/workout will not matter. Its ridiculous to assert that this is what makes DM look like he does lol. Its better to just say that he has elite genetics and the rest of us do not.
I agree. It's better to just come out and say "Sorry guys, Doug is just blessed with one in a trillion genetics" rather than the cliched crap as to how disciplined and hard working he is.
Layne Norton says the same thing when people challenge his natty status - "Come back to me after you haven't missed a meal or workout in ten years!" :-\
Yep, I'm sure choosing to eat rice and chicken in a tupperware instead of a greasy burger once every month has really made a massive impact on your physique and muscularity. ::) :D
Let's not forget how he never misses a workout, even on Christmas day! No wonder he's at the level he's at! :o ::)
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Whatever dudes, we are still leading the NFC East!
Unfortunately leading the NFC East is like being the king of the dumpster fire.
Cowboys have Packers next so after that game the Cowboys will no longer be in the running LOL.
This win against the Skins merely provided fans some false hope. Cowboys can't drop a single game, still have two +500 teams to face, Matt Cassel can't throw the ball (let alone a touchdown pass LOL) and we still have to count on everyone else in the NFC East losing games.
Cowboys are done. Sure I'll watch the games, but playoff hopes.....LOL......not happening.
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Travel in general and immigration should be tightly regulated anyways. So many people come to the USA on "vacation" and never leave.
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Unfortunately leading the NFC East is like being the king of the dumpster fire.
Cowboys have Packers next so after that game the Cowboys will no longer be in the running LOL.
This win against the Skins merely provided fans some false hope. Cowboys can't drop a single game, still have two +500 teams to face, Matt Cassel can't throw the ball (let alone a touchdown pass LOL) and we still have to count on everyone else in the NFC East losing games.
Cowboys are done. Sure I'll watch the games, but playoff hopes.....LOL......not happening.
You realize the Cowboys have the 5th best defensive in the league in terms of yardage behind Broncos, Seahawks, Panthers and cardinals.
That just goes to show you how terrible their offense must really be if they can't win games.
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With the internet and social media nowadays, someone can get radicalized or mentally distorted in the comfort of their own bedroom. I don't think going abroad and visiting a foreign nation is going to make any major difference in how someone thinks.
Hebrews, Aliens, invisible planets, etc... can all be found on the interwebs. :)
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Hebrews, Aliens, invisible planets, etc... can all be found on the interwebs. :)
Lizard people... Fuck... Ban the interwebs!
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Lizard people... Fuck... Ban the interwebs!
In all seriousness I wish a study can be done to see how much the human brain has devolved compared to before and after the internet.
Just think about this. In the past if you needed some info on something you had to read a book and go through lots of info. Now you can just pick up your phone and say "Siri, explain thermodynamics" Your brain is a muscle that is no longer being used. no need to store lots of info. No need to store any info since you can get it in two seconds.
When people say technology is making people brainless they aren't kidding. When people can have devices as powerful as a full sized computer in their pockets linked to all the info in the world and 90% of the usage is from angry birds and candy crush , you know something is wrong.
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How Hispanics can side with Trump is laughable.
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Lizard people... Fuck... Ban the interwebs!
Imagine all the stupidity and half-knowledge you'd eliminate!
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Close the borders 100%, no one enters, no one leaves.
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Close the borders 100%, no one enters, no one leaves.
That would put a damper on spring break. Wouldn't the world benefit from 1 year of complete border shutdown. Only allow those like doctors or family members with severely ill to pass. I bet climate change wouldn't even be an issue if all planes ceased flying for a year.
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You realize the Cowboys have the 5th best defensive in the league in terms of yardage behind Broncos, Seahawks, Panthers and cardinals.
That just goes to show you how terrible their offense must really be if they can't win games.
I agree that Sean Lee is very good LOL!! ;D
I think Dallas' offense is quite good. They have offensive weapons.....receivers and backs are strong IMHO.
Problem I see is that there isn't anyone on the field that can handoff or throw a football to any of them.
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Pellius in terms of world affairs/politics nothing you've got to say would go over the average 4 year old's head. That is clear from the rubbish you're posting here.
Your government keeps bombing/invading muslim countries causing relatively stable nations to spiral into civil war, and you interpret this as being "muslim sympathisers"
The scary thing is your ridiculously skewed perception is probably not even rare amongst americans.
It obviously sailed blithely over your head.
What would you have done after we were attacked on 9/11?
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The number of Muslims coming into Christian countries has to be controlled. This is the Bottom line. Why do they want to come into our Lands anyway? Has anyone really thought about this? Is it to spread their faith or for Freedom of sexuality and speech?
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Guess it wasn't so crazy when Carter( as president) banned any Iranians from entering the country( and tried to deport all Iranians on student visas) during the Iran Hostage crisis! But then he's immune to criticism as he was a democrat
Great point! I forgot about that.
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And they all get their stats from shooting tracker. If there were 355 mass shootings in the US it would be a 24/7 news cycle for a year. No such thing happened. You have to look at how the stats are collected and what said collector considers a mass shooting. Is shooting a couple kids with a BB gun a mass shooting?
Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of the propaganda that gets put out there...........
A mass shooting is 4 or more people shot. The reason it isn't a constant news cycle is that it is so common...
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The problem with pellius is that he views the world in black and white - good guys against bad guys. It's a rather childlike and simplistic view to hold especially for a man who seems reasonably well educated.
In his eyes, nations like America and Israel can do no wrong and every act they do can be justified. This is no different to how the Islamists think and it's why the conflicts will remain ongoing. Two equally fanatical sides who aren't capable (or intelligent enough) to realize the damage that they are doing.
Time to act like grown ups now and quit with this tit for tat nonsense.
Equating America with Islam. You're as retarded as your name "Super Ted".
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Seriously what do you think is going to happen if a few more of these incidents happen? People are going to get off the "gun bad" kick at some point and start pointing the finger somewhere else.
Yes, I'm hoping the "ah ha" moment is soon.
Close the borders 100%, no one enters, no one leaves.
Cage match America!
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I think its because growing up overseas I wasn't exposed to the taste of true Bacon, so eating it later in life, I just haven't acquired a taste for it. Same goes for drinking, I don't drink but its nothing to do with religion, its just that my parents never had it at home, so again I never acquired a taste for it.
My vice in my younger years before marriage was the opposite sex ;D
Regardless of your family and surname you are not a Muslim. Just munch on a bacon cheese burger wearing a stringer tank top after a fresh shave and you'll be waved through the line. ;D
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And neither had that fucker Farouk prior to last week
Lol you know we don't have a radar on our head that goes off every time a radical Muslim walks by... Someone like me would be just as lost as you when it comes to rooting them out.
There was some compelling evidence that something was up.
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The number of Muslims coming into Christian countries has to be controlled. This is the Bottom line. Why do they want to come into our Lands anyway? Has anyone really thought about this? Is it to spread their faith or for Freedom of sexuality and speech?
People probably felt the same way about Christian missionaries.
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That's what the Berlin War was for.
I believe you meant Berlin wall, not war.
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It obviously sailed blithely over your head.
What would you have done after we were attacked on 9/11?
This is the thing - 9/11 was Al Qaeda reusing 70s PLO tactics of taking over a plane but they flew a few into buildings. It was helped by lax internal security but that is a moot point - it was something new. 7/7 in UK you had tube and bus bombings simultaneously in London. 2011 you had Madrid bombings. Move forward to now, and France - how the fuck do you guard a restaurant, a magazine, a football stadium's outer entrances and a concert hall? You can't. This and while we are all being raped of privacy they obviously aren't picking any of it up via intelligence...
It is a new age of terrorism with cells acting autonomously for a united cause.
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We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.
Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)
Do you honestly believe if Trump is elected he will do all he says he'll do?
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The number of Muslims coming into Christian countries has to be controlled. This is the Bottom line. Why do they want to come into our Lands anyway? Has anyone really thought about this? Is it to spread their faith or for Freedom of sexuality and speech?
It looks like Muslims are already here in large numbers.
Germany has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe after France. Approximately 3.0 to 3.5 million Muslims live in Germany, and 80% of them do not have German citizenship; 608,000 are German citizens. 100,000 of them are German converts to Islam.
More than 5,000 Muslims Serving in US Military, Pentagon Says
It's difficult to come by hard numbers because the U.S. Census doesn't collect religious data. But the fear of Muslims taking over and imposing Sharia law is unfounded. By some estimates, Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. adult population.
It was estimated that there were 1.8 million Muslim adults (and 2.75 million Muslims of all ages) in the U.S. in 2014.
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Regardless of your family and surname you are not a Muslim. Just munch on a bacon cheese burger wearing a stringer tank top after a fresh shave and you'll be waved through the line. ;D
But in your new world order you won't be making a distinction between me and the crazies. Won't the crazies try to fake my situation?
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This is the thing - 9/11 was Al Qaeda reusing 70s PLO tactics of taking over a plane but they flew a few into buildings. It was helped by lax internal security but that is a moot point - it was something new. 7/7 in UK you had tube and bus bombings simultaneously in London. 2011 you had Madrid bombings. Move forward to now, and France - how the fuck do you guard a restaurant, a magazine, a football stadium's outer entrances and a concert hall? You can't. This and while we are all being raped of privacy they obviously aren't picking any of it up via intelligence...
It is a new age of terrorism with cells acting autonomously for a united cause.
Lol at the use of the word "cells". You watch way too much Homeland and 24.
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Lol at the use of the word "cells". You watch way too much Homeland and 24.
I've never watched homeland or 24. HTH.
Cells are autonomous units acting independent of a leader/hierarchy.
Hope I have educated you.
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Do you honestly believe if Trump is elected he will do all he says he'll do?
Absolutely 100%
Not. Has any politician ever?
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Perhaps, but I don't think a visit to an Islamic nation will be a major turning point. Someone who is a driven towards extremism will be a danger whether they go abroad or not. It's not exactly difficult to get some firearm training in America and all the extremist material can be done online.
Yes, if someone travels to the Middle East for training it's because they have already become radicalize. It's unlikely if they go there for business, visit family, or a vacation (?) and come across ISIS gunning down Christians or Shites say, "Hey cool, where do I sign up?"
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Yes, if someone travels to the Middle East for training it's because they have already become radicalize. It's unlikely if they go there for business, visit family, or a vacation (?) and come across ISIS gunning down Christians or Shites say, "Hey cool, where do I sign up?"
If you go through Duty Free in Dubai they do make a good pitch.
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If you go through Duty Free in Dubai they do make a good pitch.
Lots of over excess there. Lol. I enjoyed my time there, picked up by a BMW 7 series on the tarmac given a hot towel and water bottle in the car :) and driven to my five star hotel
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Agreed 100%... When in Rome...
.. Dunno why you would come to the US or UK for freedom and try to change the laws to be like the place you left? Why did you leave in the first place then?
1. He is really not that big, he has a small frame that he carries a ton of muscle on
2. If I didn't know him, I'd agree with you, but his obsessiveness is at a whole other level, beyond anything I have ever seen in my life, the man travels with his Tupperware set for fucks sake, never ever ever ever ever cheats. Never ever ever ever misses a work out. Never ever ever ever ever goes half ass, its to the point of weird as shit. This is the only reason I believe he is natural. Not cause he's my friend or anything.
Strict dieting has more to do with conditioning than just pure muscle mass. He can carry just as much muscle eating out all the time provided he gets enough protein and calories. He may not be as in good condition but he'd still carry as much muscle as he is now regardless of how he is able to carry that much muscle.
Unless you live with him and have gone through his closet you can't possible know what he is doing. You may take his word for it because you trust him but I think he is lying through his teeth.
He is obviously a fanatical bber. If he can achieve that naturally why wouldn't he take the next step and become the greatest bodybuilder that has ever existed?
With a serious athlete, pro or aspiring pro, you always want to improve and take it to the next level anyway you can.
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Lots of over excess there. Lol. I enjoyed my time there, picked up by a BMW 7 series on the tarmac given a hot towel and water bottle in the car :) and driven to my five star hotel
The day I stay in a 5 star hotel and a client pays it, and I don't have to jizz in a man, I've made it.
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Close the borders 100%, no one enters, no one leaves.
x2. That way Aldo won't have to give Conor a rematch.
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I believe you meant Berlin wall, not war.
True, but when guards will shoot at anyone coming and going it's easy to conflate the two.
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But in your new world order you won't be making a distinction between me and the crazies. Won't the crazies try to fake my situation?
Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.
Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).
We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.
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If you go through Duty Free in Dubai they do make a good pitch.
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Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.
Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).
We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.
Ok... So let's talk about those Muslims that are not US citizens... What you're proposing would greatly impact trade, tourism, and even tax income. Case in point. My father has never been a us citizen, not even a green card holder but before I became an American citizen he bought a two million dollar property in the US, he paid for it and he pays the property taxes on it, so now you're saying he cannot come and vacation or make use of this property.
What about all the Arab-American relationships , the oil company partnerships? The hotel chains? Many of them owned by Muslim, now they can't come to the US to do business or attend an inauguration ceremony, so why would they continue business there? We are talking billions on the line?
Factor in how many Arab tourists come In and go to Disney and other tourist destinations, Vegas, new York city, etc. once again you're greatly cutting off a huge source of income to the US.
Think of the Muslim servicemen in the US military, the ones that returned from war and are in hospitals, you just denied entry to their families from coming to visit them as they recover? Those are people that fought for America and are paying the price for it.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be background checks, there already are even ones that were designated by countries. Before I became a us citizen I had to go to this registration office at the airport anytime I left the country because I was from Egypt and that's fine no one is disputing that
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Ok... So let's talk about those Muslims that are not US citizens... What you're proposing would greatly impact trade, tourism, and even tax income. Case in point. My father has never been a us citizen, not even a green card holder but before I became an American citizen he bought a two million dollar property in the US, he paid for it and he pays the property taxes on it, so now you're saying he cannot come and vacation or make use of this property.
What about all the Arab-American relationships , the oil company partnerships? The hotel chains? Many of them owned by Muslim, now they can't come to the US to do business or attend an inauguration ceremony, so why would they continue business there? We are talking billions on the line?
Factor in how many Arab tourists come In and go to Disney and other tourist destinations, Vegas, new York city, etc. once again you're greatly cutting off a huge source of income to the US.
Think of the Muslim servicemen in the US military, the ones that returned from war and are in hospitals, you just denied entry to their families from coming to visit them as they recover? Those are people that fought for America and are paying the price for it.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be background checks, there already are even ones that were designated by countries. Before I became a us citizen I had to go to this registration office at the airport anytime I left the country because I was from Egypt and that's fine no one is disputing that
Recall I said there will be exceptions and gave diplomats as an example. Of course this will apply to businessmen and the like. They are here for a specific reason, staying at a hotel, the business venture will be vouched for, there will be a specific limit to their stay.
And yes, Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces will also be given a past.
And yes, we will lose money on tourism and various businesses but life is always about trade offs. We are talking innocent lives.
The grim reality is the though not all Muslims are terrorist the vast majority that are terrorist and the biggest threat to America's security and safety is coming from the Muslims.
Don't forget, even non-radical Muslims, if they are truly Muslims, want Sharia law. They want it everywhere.
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Recall I said there will be exceptions and gave diplomats as an example. Of course this will apply to businessmen and the like. They are here for a specific reason, staying at a hotel, the business venture will be vouched for, there will be a specific limit to their stay.
And yes, Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces will also be given a past.
And yes, we will lose money on tourism and various businesses but life is always about trade offs. We are talking innocent lives.
The grim reality is the though not all Muslims are terrorist the vast majority that are terrorist and the biggest threat to America's security and safety is coming from the Muslims.
Don't forget, even non-radical Muslims, if they are truly Muslims, want Sharia law. They want it everywhere.
To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world. That will never change and should never change.
You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then? You're not proposing anything new?
I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .
I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally. But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.
So I really don't get what you are proposing? More of the same?
I think a more reasonable argument should be. Do we need to toughen those background checks?
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To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world. That will never change and should never change.
You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then? You're not proposing anything new?
I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .
I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally. But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.
So I really don't get what you are proposing? More of the same?
Big Ach, who is Natural Doug Miller voting for? Is he a democrat or republican?
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The day I stay in a 5 star hotel and a client pays it, and I don't have to jizz in a man, I've made it.
So now we know how you've been enjoying those 5 star hotels.
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Big Ach, who is Natural Doug Miller voting for? Is he a democrat or republican?
I dunno who specifically. But I'm fairly certain he is a Republican
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To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world. That will never change and should never change.
You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then? You're not proposing anything new?
I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .
I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally. But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.
So I really don't get what you are proposing? More of the same?
I think a more reasonable argument should be. Do we need to toughen those background checks?
What I am proposing is that if you want in -- eat your bacon!
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What I am proposing is that if you want in -- eat your bacon!
Lol... You'll have some good smelling borders ;D
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In most instances the heritage of the United States has been that Naturalized Citizens were, by and large, trusted.
The most notable exception were of course the 1st generation Japanese and California Nisei.
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i don't even know why they're making so much fuss about terrorism, any terrorist attack will easily be diluted into all the domestic random massacre figures , hardly going to make a big difference is it.
so 1% of random massacres will now have a muslim perp instead of christian/atheist.
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Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.
Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).
We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.
how many American deaths on American soil in the last decade from radical Muslims again?
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i don't even know why they're making so much fuss about terrorism, any terrorist attack will easily be diluted into all the domestic random massacre figures , hardly going to make a big difference is it.
so 1% of random massacres will now have a muslim perp instead of christian/atheist.
Illegal Mexicans kill more than 13 people a day in the U.S. while committing crimes and driving their shitty cars. They bankrupt our social programs, healthcare, and educational systems. Yet everyone is up in arms about two Muslims killing 13 people.
In the end it's all about control.......control of increasing the voting block and garnering more votes.
It is not about keeping people safe.
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We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.
that statement there shows just how easily manipulated the stupid and feeble minded are by media propaganda.
how many dead or displaced in the US due to you being at "war" go to Syria, Libya, Iraq (the countries you've attacked) to see nations at war.
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how many American deaths on American soil in the last decade from radical Muslims again?
Why stop at a decade? 15 years too long or are you conveniently stopping your timeline short?
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Why stop at a decade? 15 years too long or are you conveniently stopping your timeline short?
umm because a decade is a fairly common marker
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what's next, forbidden to not be christian ?
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why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC
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what's next, forbidden to not be christian ?
LOL.....yep.
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why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC.... and the great Republic of Texas ;)
they routinely blow folks up in Bumfuck, Middle East
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I just hope Putin nukes Syria. Seems like the kinda guy who wouldn't give a shit about international backlash.
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why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC
lol. This. People in Kentucky or West Virginia worrying about a terrorist attack. :-\ :-\ People in Kentucky seem more worried than people in major cities.
I live in NYC, and many getbiggers living in California. You have something to worry about if you live in near or a major city. Id say worry if you live in NYC, Cali, Chicago, DC, Texas (certain parts), Philadelphia, Boston, or Las Vegas.
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lol. This. People in Kentucky or West Virginia worrying about a terrorist attack. :-\ :-\ People in Kentucky seem more worried than people in major cities.
I live in NYC, and many getbiggers living in California. You have something to worry about if you live in near or a major city. Id say worry if you live in NYC, Cali, Chicago, DC, Texas (certain parts), Philadelphia, Boston, or Las Vegas.
Why would people in San Bernardino have to worry, either? It's a fucking nothingplace. No strategic payoff whatsoever, none.
Read the news last week?
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what's next, forbidden to not be christian ?
::crosses fingers::
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Why would people in San Bernardino have to worry, either? It's a fucking nothingplace. No strategic payoff whatsoever, none.
Read the news last week?
ok
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Seems clear, it doesn't matter where anymore. These fuckers aren't even getting activated from up high. They're all just doing their little part for the cause, and they'll strike wherever it's convenient and bound to accumulate a significant body count.
And big picture, makes a lot more sense this way. Because now no one feels safe anywhere (if one is so inclined), from high profile big city to backwater nothingsville. Smart move, and probably unintended, I'd imagine.
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We put Saddam in place.
We trained the first WTC bombers during the proxy war with Russia.
We supplied the WMDs used against the Kurds.
We encouraged the Kurd coup and backed out.
Our own "Left Behind" reading whackjobs drive domestic and foreign policy.
We (as a culture) can't understand that things don't occur in a vacuum.
I wonder if it's even possible to weed-out ISIS (and other douchebag groups) without putting serious troops on the ground.
I also doubt we have the stomach to take out the clerics radicalizing folks and tolerate the level of collateral damage it would take to instill fear in anyone who would aid/tolerate radicals in their presence. You'd need a psychopath that didn't care about being reelected and a military willing to ignore the Geneva Convention.
folks we have a winner
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lol. This. People in Kentucky or West Virginia worrying about a terrorist attack. :-\ :-\ People in Kentucky seem more worried than people in major cities.
I live in NYC, and many getbiggers living in California. You have something to worry about if you live in near or a major city. Id say worry if you live in NYC, Cali, Chicago, DC, Texas (certain parts), Philadelphia, Boston, or Las Vegas.
i live in nyc too, I can only assume the ones that want to ban Muslims have never been drunk at 5 am and have experienced the splendor of halal trucks
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I just hope Putin nukes Syria. Seems like the kinda guy who wouldn't give a shit about international backlash.
It would be interesting to see what Putin would do if Assad is overthrown and IS take full control of Syria. I actually wouldn't rule out a nuclear strike.
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Recall I said there will be exceptions and gave diplomats as an example. Of course this will apply to businessmen and the like. They are here for a specific reason, staying at a hotel, the business venture will be vouched for, there will be a specific limit to their stay.
And yes, Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces will also be given a past.
And yes, we will lose money on tourism and various businesses but life is always about trade offs. We are talking innocent lives.
The grim reality is the though not all Muslims are terrorist the vast majority that are terrorist and the biggest threat to America's security and safety is coming from the Muslims.
Don't forget, even non-radical Muslims, if they are truly Muslims, want Sharia law. They want it everywhere.
Great plan. ::)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8345944.stm
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Pellius for the president of retard land. Still would love to see him identify what a muslim is. I can line up 5 china men, 5 Lebanese, 5 Syrians, 5 egytpians, 5 somalians who are mixed religions and see if he could figure out who is who. To make it hard I'll have the Christians hide their cross.
Fuck, to make it harder I'll throw in 5 Brooklyn hipsters with Osama bin Laden beards to throw him off completely.
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i live in nyc too, I can only assume the ones that want to ban Muslims have never been drunk at 5 am and have experienced the splendor of halal trucks
Oh man, I love halal food! There is a few halal trucks up the block from me. :D :D
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Oh man, I love halal food! There is a few halal trucks up the block from me. :D :D
Halal shouldn't make it taste different right ???
But yeah love middle eastern food :P
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that statement there shows just how easily manipulated the stupid and feeble minded are by media propaganda.
how many dead or displaced in the US due to you being at "war" go to Syria, Libya, Iraq (the countries you've attacked) to see nations at war.
Actually it shows your malignant naivete'. You're a European right?
Keeping opening your doors to the Muslims?
There use to be a time when I thought that someone from Sweden was blonde and White.
Are you a Muslim?
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Great plan. ::)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8345944.stm
If you want to ban Muslims from being in the military you'll get no argument from me. I was just throwing Big Arch a bone because I think he's an exceptional person. He really is.
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Pellius for the president of retard land. Still would love to see him identify what a muslim is. I can line up 5 china men, 5 Lebanese, 5 Syrians, 5 egytpians, 5 somalians who are mixed religions and see if he could figure out who is who. To make it hard I'll have the Christians hide their cross.
Fuck, to make it harder I'll throw in 5 Brooklyn hipsters with Osama bin Laden beards to throw him off completely.
I'd lop off the head of anyone that refuses to eat a bacon cheese burger.
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Halal shouldn't make it taste different right ???
But yeah love middle eastern food :P
What you mean taste different?
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This week in "pissing off your allies"...
Trump might actually be WORSE for international relations than obama
This week, he said merkel was ruining germany, after losing "person of the year" from TIME to her.
Said the UK politicians should be thanking him after they criticized his position on muslims.
French prime minister shit all over him.
Trump canceled israel trip after 37 lawmakers signed petition saying they didn't want him there.
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What you mean taste different?
Doesn't Halal mean it was killed by hand. So whether killed by hand or machine the meat shouldn't taste different.
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Actually it shows your malignant naivete'. You're a European right?
Keeping opening your doors to the Muslims?
There use to be a time when I thought that someone from Sweden was blonde and White.
Are you a Muslim?
yes i am from the UK , and the UK has had a large muslim community since the 1950s with no problem till we foolishly threw our hat in the ring with the US following 911.
the US since the end of WWII has continuously stirred up trouble and poked it's nose into the affairs of other countries, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic to name but a few and obviously the US did something to upset Bin Laden (a US ally during further meddling in Afghan/Russian conflict) probably double crossed him or something which brought about 9/11.
what europe should have done was stay well out of it. muslims were never a problem in europe before we joined the ridiculous and ill fated "war on terror".
afaia 90% + of swedes are still white.
no i am not muslim.
are you white or native Hawaiian ? cos you do seem to have a bit of the crazy "abo" look going on
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This week in "pissing off your allies"...
Trump might actually be WORSE for international relations than obama
This week, he said merkel was ruining germany, after losing "person of the year" from TIME to her.
Said the UK politicians should be thanking him after they criticized his position on muslims.
French prime minister shit all over him.
Trump canceled israel trip after 37 lawmakers signed petition saying they didn't want him there.
That's a bad thing.
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Doesn't Halal mean it was killed by hand. So whether killed by hand or machine the meat shouldn't taste different.
No.
It's more than that apparently, but one requirement is that it must be a very sharp knife and the throat area must be cut in one deep quick motion.
There's other stuff too, but that's what I remember about the weapon.
I find it tough to trust people that don't eat bacon.
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I lived in Brooklyn for a while and feel most would agree with this statement: It's difficult to find fresher food, in more generous amounts, and at a better value than what's available from one of those Halal carts.
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I lived in Brooklyn for a while and feel most would agree with this statement: It's difficult to find fresher food, in more generous amounts, and at a better value than what's available from one of those Halal carts.
Jokes on you guys. Halal means body of infidel. They are selling you human meat of their victims. That's what Pellius and muscularny believe.
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Mexicans make much better to-go snacks, fuck the towlies.
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Jokes on you guys. Halal means body of infidel. They are selling you human meat of their victims. That's what Pellius and muscularny believe.
Most ignorant and uneducated moron on this board.
Typical book free social media informed retard this society now produces.
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yes i am from the UK , and the UK has had a large muslim community since the 1950s with no problem till we foolishly threw our hat in the ring with the US following 911.
the US since the end of WWII has continuously stirred up trouble and poked it's nose into the affairs of other countries, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic to name but a few and obviously the US did something to upset Bin Laden (a US ally during further meddling in Afghan/Russian conflict) probably double crossed him or something which brought about 9/11.
what europe should have done was stay well out of it. muslims were never a problem in europe before we joined the ridiculous and ill fated "war on terror".
afaia 90% + of swedes are still white.
no i am not muslim.
are you white or native Hawaiian ? cos you do seem to have a bit of the crazy "abo" look going on
Still avoiding a simple cquestion: What would you have done if you were the President of the US after the attack on 9-11?
LOL @ "We MUST have done something to piss off OBL?"
The way you constantly defend terrorist makes you look like a bigger pussy than Obama.
And for Chrissakes! Change your avi pic. Nothing more homo than a man pulling up his shorts to "show off his legs". Do you also pull up your t-shirt while looking in the mirror to "flash your abs" in the gym?
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Close the borders 100%, no one enters, no one leaves.
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Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip... Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!
To answer someone's question about Halal meat... It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way. But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal. (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this ;D )
As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims. Its just the way it is. Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen. At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?
This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.
Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully. However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!
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Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip... Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!
To answer someone's question about Halal meat... It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way. But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal. (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this ;D )
As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims. Its just the way it is. Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen. At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?
This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.
Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully. However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!
Itinerary sent to INTERPOL.
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Still avoiding a simple cquestion: What would you have done if you were the President of the US after the attack on 9-11?
LOL @ "We MUST have done something to piss off OBL?"
The way you constantly defend terrorist makes you look like a bigger pussy than Obama.
And for Chrissakes! Change your avi pic. Nothing more homo than a man pulling up his shorts to "show off his legs". Do you also pull up your t-shirt while looking in the mirror to "flash your abs" in the gym?
If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!
what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.
Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"
defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet
and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"
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We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.
Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)
Yeah, like him saying that he will get Bill Gates to turn off the internet? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip... Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!
To answer someone's question about Halal meat... It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way. But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal. (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this ;D )
As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims. Its just the way it is. Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen. At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?
This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.
Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully. However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!
Bear in mind that you're talking about a country where slavery was legal before assuming the constitution can't be changed. :)
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If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!
what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.
Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"
defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet
and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"
"Flush out the planners/perpetrators"
What the fuck does that mean? "Flush them out". Flush them out how? We knew their based training camp was in Afghanistan.
And of course we pissed OBL off. He issued a fatwa that anyone that supports Israel is the enemy. He didn't want the presence of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, which he considered sacred territory being defiled by the American infidel. Even though Saudi Arabia is a military ally and was invited by the Saudi government. So what? Just because OBL doesn't like something doesn't mean we should automatically cede to his wishes. He didn't like us because we don't adhere to Sharia Law. Just because someone disagrees with us and get angry with us doesn't mean we are wrong.
And America is the biggest terrorist? So if given a choice between Americans moving into your country or Muslims you would choose the Muslims. Well, it's already happening. Good luck with that. Just don't come over here.
I'm sure Tojo and Hirohito were angry with us. So what.
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Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip... Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!
To answer someone's question about Halal meat... It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way. But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal. (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this ;D )
As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims. Its just the way it is. Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen. At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?
This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.
Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully. However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!
No one is saying that. What we are saying is a temporary ban from Muslims coming into this country (of course there will be exceptions like business and government leaders that are already well known and vetted). It's the same thing like we did during the cold war with people from Russia and other Eastern Bloc countries and what Carter did with the Iranians during the late 1970s.
The threat is coming form a particular group from a particular area of the world. We cannot ignore this if we want to survive.
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Country vs. Religion is the country.
One can easily lie about religion. COuntry of origin is much harder to fake.
If a terr'ist wants to kill people as an immigrant, he WILL lie and claim buddhist. And we'll have to accept him, right? Cause Trump won't close 100% of immigrants, just those who ADMIT being muslim. So when some fool from Syria claims "athiest" then shoots shit up, well, what then?
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Country vs. Religion is the country.
One can easily lie about religion. COuntry of origin is much harder to fake.
If a terr'ist wants to kill people as an immigrant, he WILL lie and claim buddhist. And we'll have to accept him, right? Cause Trump won't close 100% of immigrants, just those who ADMIT being muslim. So when some fool from Syria claims "athiest" then shoots shit up, well, what then?
No one from Muslims countries allowed entry. Just like we didn't ask if someone was a Communist if they came from Russia, Ukraine, East Germany.... The restrictions were from where they came from.
And everyone will be screened from where there original point of origin is from. So if someone from Syria comes to Canada first and then tries to come into the US they will also be denied.
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If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!
what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.
Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"
defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet
and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"
The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.
The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?
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The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.
The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?
We can't fix the Middle East but we should stop them from bringing it over here.
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and perhaps the US and its allies should learn from what happens when they (US & Allies) bring war over there
If only the US & Allies would stop holding back, and let their military have free reigns.
Stop all this pussyfooting around; either go all-in with the war effort, or get the fuck out!
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just for a moment consider what might not have happened if they (US&Allies) had stayed out of the region say over the past 50 years ?
No asylum to the Shah of Iran ?
No Teheran embassy siege .....
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No Kuwait war (to protect the noble and merciful Saudis
No Mugahadeen in the white house with Ronnie
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One has to wonder why the USA sets itself up to be a debtor of China by engaging in long term intermittent war in the middle east when China will be the ultimate beneficiary
Consider what would have happened without UN involvement.
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No one from Muslims countries allowed entry. Just like we didn't ask if someone was a Communist if they came from Russia, Ukraine, East Germany.... The restrictions were from where they came from.
And everyone will be screened from where there original point of origin is from. So if someone from Syria comes to Canada first and then tries to come into the US they will also be denied.
this is some next level dumb shit. saving christians feeling persecution from Muslims country might as well be in the national anthem
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Well, I appreciate that. I do my best to learn and if a more informed perspective presents itself that simply outweighs my understanding then I'm humble enough to say "hey, I was wrong".
I still believe that the vast majority of those that profess Islam (yet don't follow Muhammad's teachings) are truly kind, loving people. Me, I wanna see them turned for Christ!
Further I have respect for those that disagree with me and challenge and ask questions....I enjoy that back and forth.
In the end, I just want to represent Christ, love on others and challenge them with considering a Christian walk in their lives.
You're a good dude. Pellius, too.
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The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.
The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?
Tell me of your experience there. I would like to know about the murder of people under the guise of Paramilitaries? which cases are you talking about? I can give you a list of British soldiers murdered and RUC, UDR .
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"Flush out the planners/perpetrators"
What the fuck does that mean? "Flush them out". Flush them out how? We knew their based training camp was in Afghanistan.
And of course we pissed OBL off. He issued a fatwa that anyone that supports Israel is the enemy. He didn't want the presence of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, which he considered sacred territory being defiled by the American infidel. Even though Saudi Arabia is a military ally and was invited by the Saudi government. So what? Just because OBL doesn't like something doesn't mean we should automatically cede to his wishes. He didn't like us because we don't adhere to Sharia Law. Just because someone disagrees with us and get angry with us doesn't mean we are wrong.
And America is the biggest terrorist? So if given a choice between Americans moving into your country or Muslims you would choose the Muslims. Well, it's already happening. Good luck with that. Just don't come over here.
I'm sure Tojo and Hirohito were angry with us. So what.
Flush him out - Use your vast intelligence/security services to track him down and either capture and try him for alleged crimes or kill him. Kind of like what you allegedly did in Pakistan in 2011, but without the invading and occupation of a nation in the meantime.
The objective in Afghanistan was apparently to destroy the Taliban for harbouring and training terrorists. How did that pan out? a decade later the US was then trying to get the Taliban around the table for peace talks because they couldn't defeat them.
Fact is Bin Laden was an ally of the US in the 80s.
"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm
You think he woke up one day in the 90s after previously being a 'friend' of the US and just decided "you know what I'm gonna blow these fkers up now cos they don't agree with Sharia Law"
that is ridiculous even by your own standards. as I said no doubt some dirty dealing or double crossing led to the fall out (the US has a history of it).
OK lets go over the facts once again(even discounting the invasion/occupation of afghanistan). Invaded Iraq (sovereign nation) for a reason that never existed, country now in civil war. Bombed Libyan regime out of power (sovereign nation) , country still in civil war. Armed and funded several spurious groups sparking a civil war in Syria.
hundreds of thousands of people dead in those countries since your interventions and millions more displaced. which organisation on earth comes anywhere near that in terms of terrorism over the last decade?
There are already lots of Muslims living in the same area as me, I grew up and went to school with them, they've never caused me any problems. I don't have any problems with americans coming here either as long as they're not gun toting fruitcakes.
also don't you live in a metal shack in the back of beyond or something? i doubt you'll have much say in it if ever i choose to visit the US
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The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.
The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?
I know there is most definitely two sides to the story re the troubles in Ireland. I was only bringing up the IRA to point out that bombing or invading a country to fight an act of terrorism is ridiculous.
I agree the middle east has historically been a volatile region, but Iraq, Libya and Syria were actually relatively stable nations(and secular) before recent western intervention. they are now all fked beyond recognition.
i don't know how you fix it, but i don't think dropping more bombs is the likely the answer. we broke it by dropping bombs, ok lets drop some more to fix it. don't think it will end well.
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this is some next level dumb shit. saving christians feeling persecution from Muslims country might as well be in the national anthem
Really? So open door policy for Muslims? How is that working out in Sweden? France?
As someone mentioned on this thread: why do they want to come here? They have no desire to assimilate and they support Sharia law whether radical or not.
Where do you live?
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Flush him out - Use your vast intelligence/security services to track him down and either capture and try him for alleged crimes or kill him. Kind of like what you allegedly did in Pakistan in 2011, but without the invading and occupation of a nation in the meantime.
The objective in Afghanistan was apparently to destroy the Taliban for harbouring and training terrorists. How did that pan out? a decade later the US was then trying to get the Taliban around the table for peace talks because they couldn't defeat them.
Fact is Bin Laden was an ally of the US in the 80s.
"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm
You think he woke up one day in the 90s after previously being a 'friend' of the US and just decided "you know what I'm gonna blow these fkers up now cos they don't agree with Sharia Law"
that is ridiculous even by your own standards. as I said no doubt some dirty dealing or double crossing led to the fall out (the US has a history of it).
OK lets go over the facts once again(even discounting the invasion/occupation of afghanistan). Invaded Iraq (sovereign nation) for a reason that never existed, country now in civil war. Bombed Libyan regime out of power (sovereign nation) , country still in civil war. Armed and funded several spurious groups sparking a civil war in Syria.
hundreds of thousands of people dead in those countries since your interventions and millions more displaced. which organisation on earth comes anywhere near that in terms of terrorism over the last decade?
There are already lots of Muslims living in the same area as me, I grew up and went to school with them, they've never caused me any problems. I don't have any problems with americans coming here either as long as they're not gun toting fruitcakes.
also don't you live in a metal shack in the back of beyond or something? i doubt you'll have much say in it if ever i choose to visit the US
Flush who out? We already knew who the preps were? It was Bin Laden and Al Queda and they were based in Afghanistan. We destroyed their base, they scattered and we eventually tracked down Bin Laden and killed him.
You have no understanding why we went to Iraq and what cause the rise in ISIS.
I'm glad you enjoy living with Muslims. Keep them there and not here in the US. Does others on this board from the UK feel it's also a good thing to have Muslims moving in?
I live in a house in Hawaii 20 yards from the shore line. I've posted pics and even my address. And what makes you think I wouldn't have much to say if you should "choose to visit"? You think I'd be intimidated by some queer who pulls up his shorts up into his crotch to show off his legs.
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A few of my random thoughts................ ...
*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States. People do not have a God given right to come here.
*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.
*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.
*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.
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A few of my random thoughts................ ...
*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States. People do not have a God given right to come here.
*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.
*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.
*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.
Reasonable thoughts.
I can get on board with this.
I do question as to how large the scale and grave the threat is, mostly because I always feel like we are being lied to, but I can understand your point.
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Tell me of your experience there. I would like to know about the murder of people under the guise of Paramilitaries? which cases are you talking about? I can give you a list of British soldiers murdered and RUC, UDR .
I am from the Republic of Ireland, I did not have to live through that, thankfully. Every morning I remember the news was about a bomb, or shooting or kneecapping in Northern Ireland, and more often than you would imagine there were bombs that killed 10-25+ people and destroyed whole streets.
I did visit there a few times before any ceasefire and it meant being searched at gunpoint by the british army, even as a 7 year old, as your car was searched. Cannot blame them as the IRA used proxy bombs and other methods to kill soldiers aside from direct attacks.
Google: british murders northern ireland government involvement
You will see countless cases. Pat Finicane was a prominent murder, but the killings on Bloody Sunday would be the most well known. The thing is, part of the political agreement was that for 20 years (so until 2018) many of the details of murders from both sides would not be revealed or made public.
Oh, and if you are wondering, I have no respect for the murder of soldiers or civilians as they were carried out. I have friends who feel strongly against this as they are older and know people oppressed and murdered from that conflict - they call me sheltered (rightly so) - but I am saying what I know and how I feel.
By the way, the RUC were a sectarian police force. The "Royal" Ulster Constabulary, which banned/omitted catholics (therefore nationalists) from joining, was not a police force. It was a tool of oppression hence there is now the PSNI.
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Impossible to vet Muslims. These people have been going Crypto for thousands of years. Hell everyone coming out of the middle east(including Israel) use different names. Now a shitload of Brews from the African Continent have started doing the same thing...We have people in politics using fake names and fake religions. Hollywood itself is made up of people using fake names. American news media have people using fake names. Crypto's are all over the fucking place...
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A few of my random thoughts................ ...
*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States. People do not have a God given right to come here.
*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.
*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.
*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.
I agree with everything except Muslims/Islam, doesn't seem to me to be just a religion but also political ideology. Every believing and practicing Muslim believes in Sharia law. There is no separation between church and State. The US is a primarily Christian country but no one is required to be a Christian. Not so under Sharia law.
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I agree with everything except Muslims/Islam, doesn't seem to me to be just a religion but also political ideology. Every believing and practicing Muslim believes in Sharia law. There is no separation between church and State. The US is a primarily Christian country but no one is required to be a Christian. Not so under Sharia law.
I don't think that any western country is primarly christian, because most people ridicule christianity and don't believe shit. People worship themselves. There may exist "christian" traditions but they are being stripped down fast anyway. Christianity mostly strives inside some people's hearts and people think you're a looney toon if you confess out loud to believe in jesus.
btw your post reminded me of this.
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I don't think that any western country is primarly christian, because most people ridicule christianity and don't believe shit. People worship themselves. There may exist "christian" traditions but they are being stripped down fast anyway. Christianity mostly strives inside some people's hearts and people think you're a looney toon if you confess out loud to believe in jesus.
btw your post reminded me of this.
I don't understand why people insist on denying this. Nobody questions that Israel is primarily Jewish or Iran is primarily Shite Muslim. But there seems to be a bias against Christianity, the largest religious group in the world. America was founded on Judea/Christian ethics and evidence is over whelming. Our next President is still going to put his hand on the Bible in his swearing in ceremony.
It is true that the percentage of people who identify themselves as Christian in America has fallen. 2014 statistics has it as 71%.
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Any way to deteriorate the Islamic cancer and halt its spread is a good way.
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Remember the good ol' days, when we were a country of immigrants who didn't wanna kill us? Ahh, good times, those.
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I don't understand why people insist on denying this. Nobody questions that Israel is primarily Jewish or Iran is primarily Shite Muslim. But there seems to be a bias against Christianity, the largest religious group in the world. America was founded on Judea/Christian ethics and evidence is over whelming. Our next President is still going to put his hand on the Bible in his swearing in ceremony.
It is true that the percentage of people who identify themselves as Christian in America has fallen. 2014 statistics has it as 71%.
No, that is not the case.
The US was not founded upon any religion and is a country whose own foundation specifically states so.
Now whether or not most people are Christian is certainly not up for debate. The question is whether or not the US is a "Christian" nation, and it is not as there is no religion slated as the religion of the government.
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No one from Muslims countries allowed entry.
What % of the country should be muslim?
Tricky here. Parts of Russia (Dagestan) are 49% muslim. Are we banning all russians now?
Ten % of france is muslim. Do we ban all frenchies? Spain is 10% too. It's slippery slope (which is why I condone stopping ALL immigration)/ We let 1 million people in EVERY YEAR. At least 10% of them are muslim? Maybe more, maybe less?
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No, that is not the case.
The US was not founded upon any religion and is a country whose own foundation specifically states so.
Now whether or not most people are Christian is certainly not up for debate. The question is whether or not the US is a "Christian" nation, and it is not as there is no religion slated as the religion of the government.
No, you are just wrong. I don't understand why people like you insist on perpetuating this relatively new idea.
Any country where there is a rule of law it is based on a value system. In America this was based on the Judeo/Christian ethic. This is not the same as a Government sanctioned religion.
You believe what you want. To me it's like arguing with a person who still believes that the earth is flat. The evidence is so overwhelming that it's not even worth debating. We will soon be celebrating a Christian holiday, the birth of Christ -- which I'm sure you will deny as well. Even the original Americans, the Pilgrims, were Christians and it was their religious beliefs as one of the reason they left England. You, and those like you, have some anti-Christian/anti-religion agenda. Don't understand why you are so against Christianity but whatever. Like I said, there are still people who believe that the earth is flat and if you want to delude yourself or lie to yourself or ignore the facts and protest against Nativity Scenes or people saying "Merry Christmas" it's a free country.
As for me, it's "In God We Trust". A phrase on the back of every American currency. And it's not the Muslim god, the Hindu god or the Krishna god -- it's the Christian God.
This, In The Year Of Our Lord, 2015.
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What % of the country should be muslim?
Tricky here. Parts of Russia (Dagestan) are 49% muslim. Are we banning all russians now?
Ten % of france is muslim. Do we ban all frenchies? Spain is 10% too. It's slippery slope (which is why I condone stopping ALL immigration)/ We let 1 million people in EVERY YEAR. At least 10% of them are muslim? Maybe more, maybe less?
That's like asking "What percentage of this country should be Japanese?" What percentage of this country should be Korean?" "What percentage of this country should Ukrainian?" "What percentage of this country should be Mexican?"
Are you suggesting that we should have completely open borders?
Are you against any restrictions on Muslims coming into this country?
100% or people in this country that are citizens or ALLOWED to be citizens should be AMERICAN. One of the problems this country is having is not from any particular race or ethnicity but in an unwillingness to assimilate.
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No, you are just wrong. I don't understand why people like you insist on perpetuating this relatively new idea.
Any country where there is a rule of law it is based on a value system. In America this was based on the Judeo/Christian ethic. This is not the same as a Government sanctioned religion.
You believe what you want. To me it's like arguing with a person who still believes that the earth is flat. The evidence is so overwhelming that it's not even worth debating. We will soon be celebrating a Christian holiday, the birth of Christ -- which I'm sure you will deny as well. Even the original Americans, the Pilgrims, were Christians and it was their religious beliefs as one of the reason they left England. You, and those like you, have some anti-Christian/anti-religion agenda. Don't understand why you are so against Christianity but whatever. Like I said, there are still people who believe that the earth is flat and if you want to delude yourself or lie to yourself or ignore the facts and protest against Nativity Scenes or people saying "Merry Christmas" it's a free country.
As for me, it's "In God We Trust". A phrase on the back of every American currency. And it's not the Muslim god, the Hindu god or the Krishna god -- it's the Christian God.
This, In The Year Of Our Lord, 2015.
Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.
Yes. The celebration is ridiculous.
It was completely stolen from pagan holidays including the roman holiday of Saturnalia.
I don't protest against Merry Christmas or any of that other shit. If people want to celebrate the season how they see fit, I don't give a shit.
The reality is that while people may have been Christian the government of the USA was not founded on inherently Christian beliefs.
They are not necessarily connected and many writings of the Founding Fathers of this country state so.
You say I am ignoring things, but you are as well.
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Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.
Yes. The celebration is ridiculous.
It was completely stolen from pagan holidays including the roman holiday of Saturnalia.
I don't protest against Merry Christmas or any of that other shit. If people want to celebrate the season how they see fit, I don't give a shit.
The reality is that while people may have been Christian the government of the USA was not founded on inherently Christian beliefs.
They are not necessarily connected and many writings of the Founding Fathers of this country state so.
You say I am ignoring things, but you are as well.
Nobody believes that Jesus was born in the winter but there is a reason why it is celebrated just after the winter solstice. I would think you would know this being so versed in the founding of American independence.
And as the Pilgrims and Americans sought to break free from British oppression; John Adams, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (three of the five founding fathers (google for the other two)) wanted the Great Seal to feature the story of the Exodus with Franklin wanting to feature the parting of the Red Sea and Moses raising his staff; whereas Jefferson wanted a scene from Exodus showing the Israelites led through the wilderness by a cloud in daytime and a pillar of fire at night.
Just a coincidence that they saw the parallels and wanted the Exodus to symbolize the FOUNDING of America and freeing themselves from the enslavement of the British "Pharaoh".
Nothing to do with the Bible and the Judeo/Christian value system.
But you keep believing what you want and convincing yourself you're right. Just look up in the sky. Isn't it obvious that the sun revolves around the earth? It rises in the East and sets in the West.
Of course, my friend. Now run along and try not to hurt yourself or others.
BTW, are you an American?
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Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.
I just realized that you implied that Jesus was born in "Palestine" instead of Bethlehem.
It wasn't until 1995 that Israel turned over the city of Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority as part of the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement. Another foolish and naive deal where Israel has to surrender something concrete, more land, for a promise of peace. A promise that is ALWAYS broken. ALWAYS.
Again this was in 1995.
It's like if I were to refer to Rhodesia's Prime Minister, Ian Smith, as the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe or that the Secretary General of the UN, U Thant, was born in Myanmar instead Burma.
But at least now I know where you are coming from. Dishonest and agenda driven.
Google "Where was Jesus born" and see how hard you have to search to find a link that says "Jesus was born in Palestine".
Please tell me you are not an American.
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Flush who out? We already knew who the preps were? It was Bin Laden and Al Queda and they were based in Afghanistan. We destroyed their base, they scattered and we eventually tracked down Bin Laden and killed him.
You have no understanding why we went to Iraq and what cause the rise in ISIS.
I'm glad you enjoy living with Muslims. Keep them there and not here in the US. Does others on this board from the UK feel it's also a good thing to have Muslims moving in?
I live in a house in Hawaii 20 yards from the shore line. I've posted pics and even my address. And what makes you think I wouldn't have much to say if you should "choose to visit"? You think I'd be intimidated by some queer who pulls up his shorts up into his crotch to show off his legs.
no you declared a "war on terror" preceded to invade and occupy a country, then a decade later ended up grovelling to the group you originally went after (the taliban) for peace talks because you couldn't defeat them.
how do you think your war on terror has worked out? apart from destroying several nations, you think there are now less or more potential terrorists as a result ?
oh and please enlighten me as to why you invaded iraq because you are right i really have no idea why you did, beyond suspecting it was part of calculated plan to destabilise the region.
also what is your obsession with my shorts ,legs and now "crotch" ?! i am starting to understand why you have gained a reputation on here for being a sexual deviant and pervert.
and why would i be trying to "intimidate" a wrinkly, old prune of a man that looks like he'd snap if a strong gust of wind hit him....and c'mon how can a man that willingly accepted being labelled an "elf" by an anonymous homo on the internet he referred to as "god"... call anyone a queer! that is just comical.
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no you declared a "war on terror" preceded to invade and occupy a country, then a decade later ended up grovelling to the group you originally went after (the taliban) for peace talks because you couldn't defeat them.
how do you think your war on terror has worked out? apart from destroying several nations, you think there are now less or more potential terrorists as a result ?
oh and please enlighten me as to why you invaded iraq because you are right i really have no idea why you did, beyond suspecting it was part of calculated plan to destabilise the region.
also what is your obsession with my shorts ,legs and now "crotch" ?! i am starting to understand why you have gained a reputation on here for being a sexual deviant and pervert.
and why would i be trying to "intimidate" a wrinkly, old prune of a man that looks like he'd snap if a strong gust of wind hit him....and c'mon how can a man that willingly accepted being labelled an "elf" by an anonymous homo on the internet he referred to as "god"... call anyone a queer! that is just comical.
It's hard to take you seriously because you are so uninformed. You claimed your solution was to "flush out the perpetrators" when we already knew who they were. We know because they tell us. I was a DOD contractor for twenty years and followed this stuff very, very closely.
Our current failures are the result of the policies of Obama. We did a lot of good in Iraq. Toppled a tyrant who had designs to rule the Middle East and attack all of his neighbors. Most importantly we didn't steal their oil as so many thought we would but we bought it, and at market prices, and the money went to their people instead of in Hussein's pockets. We didn't lose in Iraq, we left. Just like we did in Vietnam. Do you remember what happened after we left Vietnam? Of course you don't remember because you never knew. You criticize us for "butting in " in Korea. Do you remember, or ever knew, that there was a Cold war and Communist expansionism? Have you noticed the difference between North Korea and South Korea. A stark example of how life would be if Communism won instead Democracy.
Al Qaeda is just a shadow of what it once was. We destroyed their base in Afghanistan and scattered their force. We have consistently and systematically killed their leaders, including OBL, and disrupted their network. You hardly even hear of them anymore except for their resentment of ISIS since they are getting all the limelight.
I've explained in agonizing detail why we invaded Iraq and would have done so even if we were never attacked on 9/11 or had a "war on terror".
Though I believe this will exceed your attention span level and probably beyond your comprehension, I will look up my posts and re post them here.
Keep in mind that in life one can rarely be absolutely sure of anything. All we have to go by is the evidence on hand. Why we thought Iraq had WMD's and/or designs to develop and produce WMDs and should ceased fire agreements mean anything.
You asked for it.
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As far as or invasion of Iraq. People have very short memories. We had a cease fire agreement with Iraq following the first Gulf War. An agreement that Hussein continued to violate. In our attempt to enforce the no fly zones (to keep him from killing the Kurds which he has done before) Iraq shot at our planes almost daily. Even one such attack is considered an act of war. Hussein continuously violated the UN resolutions, sixteen of them. We kept drawing lines in the sand and Hussein continued to ignore them. Bush stood before the UN Security Council and stated that if the UN did not enforce the security council resolutions then the U.S. would. A final resolution, Resolution 1441, as a last opportunity to comply with the disarmament agreement and the various terms of the cease fire agreement the Security Council passed this Resolution with a unanimous vote, 15-0, including Russia and Syria. This Resolution had wider support than the Resolution passed authorizing the first Gulf War which was unique in it's vast world wide support.
When Saddam Hussein called our bluff and ignored Resolution 1441 he signed his death warrant. His dealings with Clinton convinced him that America was weak. After all, he was able to ignore all the warnings and Resolutions throughout the Clinton administration without consequences. But Bush was no Clinton.
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OMR,
I also want to address the Iraqi WMD issue as a separate topic because, again, people have short or selective memories.
It is true that we did not know as a matter of fact that Iraq was at the time in possession of WMDs. We would have to had invaded their country to determine that because he kicked out the inspectors. So why did we think he did?
Well, we know for a fact that Iraq had in the past possessed WMDs because he used them -- against his own people, the Kurds and against the Iranians.
We knew he had ambitions to develop nuclear weapons and build a nuclear reactor because he built one, with the help of the French, which was destroyed by the Israelis in 1981. The Osirak
reactor. Predictably, Israel was condemned for this act as they will be when they destroy Iran's nuclear reactor if they should get one. Hussein also was very clear about ruling the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, and controlling the entire regions oil supply. He had a huge incentive to develop, and be willing to use, WMDs.
In addition to the U.S., ALL the major intelligence agencies: Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and France, believe that Hussein had, has, or was developing WMDs. Bill and Hillary Clinton at the time believed that Hussein had WMDs in addition to Kerry, Pelosi, Daschle, Gore, Kennedy, Rockefeller... indeed 77 of the Senators at the time. Very few remember that Hans Blix, who headed the inspection team, discovered chemical rocket warheads in a bunker in Baghdad. Something that was big news at the time. The inspectors were subsequently expelled from Iraq by Hussein.
So let me ask you, and be honest, did you believe at the time that Hussein had and/or actively developing WMDs? If not, what did you know at the time that ALL the intelligence agencies as well as the majority of the Senate and Congress did not know and how did you know it?
Violation of every single UN Security Resolutions, possession and use of WMDs in the past, developing a nuclear reactor, invading and attacking his neighbors, open designs for a "Greater Iraq" and controlling the Middle East oil supply, kicking out the inspectors. And we were suppose to have just taken his word.
To avoid war all Hussein would have had to do is exactly what Libya did after we invaded Iraq and Gaddafi saw the writing on the wall. He opened his country to inspections. We gave Hussein a lot of warnings. Endless warnings and lines in the sand. Don't you remember how long it dragged on? How we stood there endlessly with our ships and troops parked and ready to go?
He called our bluff.
And we had "no business" invading Iraq?
You can still disagree with our invasion of Iraq, and in retrospect you may be right, but to say that we had no compelling reasons or no business or that Bush lied is just simply not true.
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That's like asking "What percentage of this country should be Japanese?" What percentage of this country should be Korean?" "What percentage of this country should Ukrainian?" "What percentage of this country should be Mexican?"
Are you suggesting that we should have completely open borders?
Are you against any restrictions on Muslims coming into this country?
100% or people in this country that are citizens or ALLOWED to be citizens should be AMERICAN. One of the problems this country is having is not from any particular race or ethnicity but in an unwillingness to assimilate.
you must have missed the 50 posts where I said it's time to freeze ALL immigration for ONE YEAR while we determine what works, what does not, and figure out the nation vs religion argument.
A self-proclaimed athiest from france might be muslim. people can easily lie. Therefore just taking someone's word they aren't muslim just doesnt' fly anymore.
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ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in. That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".
I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause. The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here. This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people. IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.
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ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in. That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".
I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause. The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here. This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people. IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.
This needs to be done in every damn country, not just in murica. Pause the immigration, make sharia ideology illegal in every country like selling drugs, destroy isis "military", deport all the immigrant rapists and other criminals out of our lands and then come up with a great plan to go by.
Even swedens prime minister admitted that sweden has been naive with it's immigration policies, sweden's prime minister for fuck sake :D
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you must have missed the 50 posts where I said it's time to freeze ALL immigration for ONE YEAR while we determine what works, what does not, and figure out the nation vs religion argument.
A self-proclaimed athiest from france might be muslim. people can easily lie. Therefore just taking someone's word they aren't muslim just doesnt' fly anymore.
Yes, I did miss your 50 posts. And apparently I misinterpreted your question. You seem to like to play devil's advocate for it's own sake. That's fine, I guess. You seem to like to portray yourself as holding one position and you actually hold another. Your question gave the impression that you did not support some tightening up of our immigration policy. Some dramatic tightening up.
Anyway, I don't really worry too much about you because you support Ted Cruz. That's all that really matters and is the bottom line for me regarding this political cycle.
No matter how well Trump does in the polls, I believe in the end, the people who actually vote, serious people, will go with a Cruz or Rubio. There's just too much at stake to trust an entertainer/businessman with no political experience and shoots off the cuff.
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ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in. That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".
I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause. The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here. This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people. IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.
Yes, I agree 100%. What's ironic about this "war" is that our enemy tells us what they are going to do and they tells us what they have done and claim responsibility for it. Yet, we are always caught flat footed.
ISIS is now a well organized, well financed army marauding in Iraq.
If there is one thing the U.S. does well is pitched battle -- two opposing armies on an open battle field. When the battle is clearly defined like that we win, we win every time.
With all the talk of how entrenched Baghdad was and how it would be a blood bath we marched in destroying anything that stood in our way. In Gulf War 1, as the Iraqis slaughtered, pillaged and raped the Kuwaitis, they shit their pants and ran in fear at the sight of our Abrams Tanks grimly rolling in. Even in Vietnam we won every single pitched battle. Every single one. Sure there were moments, like during the Tet offensive where we were caught by surprised and suffered losses, but when the dust settle, regardless how it was portrayed in the media, it was a disaster for the North. For every one soldier we lost they lost ten. The NVA and VC were roundly expulsed and sent retreating with their tails between their legs.
This battle with ISIS is tailor made for us. We will destroy them. This is what we do best.
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Yes, I agree 100%. What's ironic about this "war" is that our enemy tells us what they are going to do and they tells us what they have done and claim responsibility for it. Yet, we are always caught flat footed.
ISIS is now a well organized, well financed army marauding in Iraq.
If there is one thing the U.S. does well is pitched battle -- two opposing armies on an open battle field. When the battle is clearly defined like that we win, we win every time.
With all the talk of how entrenched Baghdad was and how it would be a blood bath we marched in destroying anything that stood in our way. In Gulf War 1, as the Iraqis slaughtered, pillaged and raped the Kuwaitis, they shit their pants and ran in fear at the sight of our Abrams Tanks grimly rolling in. Even in Vietnam we won every single pitched battle. Every single one. Sure there were moments, like during the Tet offensive where we were caught by surprised and suffered losses, but when the dust settle, regardless how it was portrayed in the media, it was a disaster for the North. For every one soldier we lost they lost ten. The NVA and VC were roundly expulsed and sent retreating with their tails between their legs.
This battle with ISIS is tailor made for us. We will destroy them. This is what we do best.
I remember years ago when the Black Watch(senior Highland Regiment) were in Berlin they had a field exercise against the US Infantry.. they beat the shit out of the US Guys. Just saying.
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It's hard to take you seriously because you are so uninformed. You claimed your solution was to "flush out the perpetrators" when we already knew who they were. We know because they tell us. I was a DOD contractor for twenty years and followed this stuff very, very closely.
Our current failures are the result of the policies of Obama. We did a lot of good in Iraq. Toppled a tyrant who had designs to rule the Middle East and attack all of his neighbors. Most importantly we didn't steal their oil as so many thought we would but we bought it, and at market prices, and the money went to their people instead of in Hussein's pockets. We didn't lose in Iraq, we left. Just like we did in Vietnam. Do you remember what happened after we left Vietnam? Of course you don't remember because you never knew. You criticize us for "butting in " in Korea. Do you remember, or ever knew, that there was a Cold war and Communist expansionism? Have you noticed the difference between North Korea and South Korea. A stark example of how life would be if Communism won instead Democracy.
Al Qaeda is just a shadow of what it once was. We destroyed their base in Afghanistan and scattered their force. We have consistently and systematically killed their leaders, including OBL, and disrupted their network. You hardly even hear of them anymore except for their resentment of ISIS since they are getting all the limelight.
I've explained in agonizing detail why we invaded Iraq and would have done so even if we were never attacked on 9/11 or had a "war on terror".
Though I believe this will exceed your attention span level and probably beyond your comprehension, I will look up my posts and re post them here.
Keep in mind that in life one can rarely be absolutely sure of anything. All we have to go by is the evidence on hand. Why we thought Iraq had WMD's and/or designs to develop and produce WMDs and should ceased fire agreements mean anything.
You asked for it.
Pellius , you are a poster boy for the term "useful idiot"
flush out = flush suspects out of hiding. you seem to be having some trouble grasping the meaning of that term!
You lap up your state sponsored propaganda even though at this stage only a complete idiot could still believe it. "we did a lot of good work in iraq" "got rid of a tyrant"
reality - you took a secular, stable and relatively prosperous country and turned it into a lawless, hell hole over run by religious fanatics, thousands dead and millions displaced, all on the back of a lie. and you in your infinite stupidity sit there and say "we did a lot of good and then we left"
you say "al qaeda is now only a shadow of what it once was" , oh great so your 15 years of warmongering in the middle east brought about the weakening one terrorist group whilst giving birth to another (ISIS) which make the former look like a bunch of girl guides.
and i didn't "criticised the US for butting in" . i made an observation that since WWII the US has continually stirred up trouble and stuck it's nose into the affairs of other countries. which is indisputable fact.
what i said was the UK and europe should have stayed well out of your latest bout of warmongering in the middle east as your 'wars' are rarely worthwhile and even more rarely achieve their given objectives.
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Pellius , you are a poster boy for the term "useful idiot"
flush out = flush suspects out of hiding. you seem to be having some trouble grasping the meaning of that term!
You lap up your state sponsored propaganda even though at this stage only a complete idiot could still believe it. "we did a lot of good work in iraq" "got rid of a tyrant"
reality - you took a secular, stable and relatively prosperous country and turned it into a lawless, hell hole over run by religious fanatics, thousands dead and millions displaced, all on the back of a lie. and you in your infinite stupidity sit there and say "we did a lot of good and then we left"
you say "al qaeda is now only a shadow of what it once was" , oh great so your 15 years of warmongering in the middle east brought about the weakening one terrorist group whilst giving birth to another (ISIS) which make the former look like a bunch of girl guides.
and i didn't "criticised the US for butting in" . i made an observation that since WWII the US has continually stirred up trouble and stuck it's nose into the affairs of other countries. which is indisputable fact.
what i said was the UK and europe should have stayed well out of your latest bout of warmongering in the middle east as your 'wars' are rarely worthwhile and even more rarely achieve their given objectives.
Relax.... Pellius is a Filipino living in Hawaii. He is the furthest thing from an American, and his opinion are baseless.
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Relax.... Pellius is a Filipino living in Hawaii. He is the furthest thing from an American, and his opinion are baseless.
Pellius is OK he is entitled to his opinion.
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Really? So open door policy for Muslims? How is that working out in Sweden? France?
As someone mentioned on this thread: why do they want to come here? They have no desire to assimilate and they support Sharia law whether radical or not.
Where do you live?
Why do they want to come here? because western intervention has destabilized their homeland and people for the most part just want to live in peace, get a job, feed, clothed and provide a roof for their family. and that's the image america gives off.
Have you ever live in a metropolis? No one assimilates. Even in the famed melting pot everyone keeps to their own kind;
Chinatown, Little Italy, Harlem, flushing(Asians), ktown(korea town), bay ridge(Italians\Irish), hillside(bengali), Astoria(greek), sunnyside\woodside(irish), Jackson heights(south Asians), midwood(jewish), bensonhurst(Italian,Russian), ect ect ect
well i live in nyc, I was working at 2 rector street on 9\11.
where do you live?
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Pellius is OK he is entitled to his opinion.
But is it an educated opinion?
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I am from the Republic of Ireland, I did not have to live through that, thankfully. Every morning I remember the news was about a bomb, or shooting or kneecapping in Northern Ireland, and more often than you would imagine there were bombs that killed 10-25+ people and destroyed whole streets.
I did visit there a few times before any ceasefire and it meant being searched at gunpoint by the british army, even as a 7 year old, as your car was searched. Cannot blame them as the IRA used proxy bombs and other methods to kill soldiers aside from direct attacks.
Google: british murders northern ireland government involvement
You will see countless cases. Pat Finicane was a prominent murder, but the killings on Bloody Sunday would be the most well known. The thing is, part of the political agreement was that for 20 years (so until 2018) many of the details of murders from both sides would not be revealed or made public.
Oh, and if you are wondering, I have no respect for the murder of soldiers or civilians as they were carried out. I have friends who feel strongly against this as they are older and know people oppressed and murdered from that conflict - they call me sheltered (rightly so) - but I am saying what I know and how I feel.
By the way, the RUC were a sectarian police force. The "Royal" Ulster Constabulary, which banned/omitted catholics (therefore nationalists) from joining, was not a police force. It was a tool of oppression hence there is now the PSNI.
everyone sees it from their point of view. I of course did VCPs too checking people and cars and was given abuse. You have to remember Soldiers were shot at doing these checks so what you see as maybe excessive force was for us Soldiers normal. I even one time met Gerry Adams on one such search. anyway i like the Irish and have no problem with you guys on here. I also find that some of the most Radical people themselves never saw anything of what really went on. We had to clean up the mess. Young guys being "Disciplined" as you wrote being Knee capped..
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But is it an educated opinion?
depends on your view point. I smiled at his post but like i wrote i like pellius.
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I just realized that you implied that Jesus was born in "Palestine" instead of Bethlehem.
It wasn't until 1995 that Israel turned over the city of Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority as part of the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement. Another foolish and naive deal where Israel has to surrender something concrete, more land, for a promise of peace. A promise that is ALWAYS broken. ALWAYS.
Again this was in 1995.
It's like if I were to refer to Rhodesia's Prime Minister, Ian Smith, as the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe or that the Secretary General of the UN, U Thant, was born in Myanmar instead Burma.
But at least now I know where you are coming from. Dishonest and agenda driven.
Google "Where was Jesus born" and see how hard you have to search to find a link that says "Jesus was born in Palestine".
Please tell me you are not an American.
I didn't say Palestine.
I said Palestinian as in a region.
Not a specific city. Of course I know the determined city itself. Everyone does.
Will attempt to post more when I'm not on my phone.
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depends on your view point. I smiled at his post but like i wrote i like pellius.
There's a huge difference between an opinion based upon education and some logical thought process and starting out with a fixed idea and then looking for supporting evidence.
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Relax.... Pellius is a Filipino living in Hawaii. He is the furthest thing from an American, and his opinion are baseless.
Are you drunk again? That's the most pitiful ad hominem I've ever seen. I hope you're taking the piss, for your sake.
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Are you drunk again? That's the most pitiful ad hominem I've ever seen. I hope you're taking the piss, for your sake.
I was "taking the piss". I have no issues with Pellius.
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I was "taking the piss". I have no issues with Pellius.
Very good, sir. My apologies :(
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I remember years ago when the Black Watch(senior Highland Regiment) were in Berlin they had a field exercise against the US Infantry.. they beat the shit out of the US Guys. Just saying.
I'm not sure what you are saying. That you have a better and stronger military than the U.S.?
A training exercise is one thing where it's on a even level. I think man for man, the average radical Muslim terrorist use to living in the mountains and eating scorpions while walking for days in the cold and heat with very little water is a lot tougher than the American soldier. But it's never, or meant to be, an even fight in real life.
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Pellius , you are a poster boy for the term "useful idiot"
Oh boy, you have no idea. If we sat down in person and had a debate and you had no access to google you'd realize how uninformed and uneducated you are/
flush out = flush suspects out of hiding. you seem to be having some trouble grasping the meaning of that term!
You seem to be having some trouble realizing how meaningless and idiotic this statement is. "Flush out suspects." We know who they are because they tell us.
You lap up your state sponsored propaganda even though at this stage only a complete idiot could still believe it. "we did a lot of good work in iraq" "got rid of a tyrant"
Under Bush, The Surge, if you even know what that is, was a unanimous success that the world agreed and acknowledged. Obama squandered it.
reality - you took a secular, stable and relatively prosperous country and turned it into a lawless, hell hole over run by religious fanatics, thousands dead and millions displaced, all on the back of a lie. and you in your infinite stupidity sit there and say "we did a lot of good and then we left"
Oh boy, how stupid can you be? Prosperous and stable to whom? Saddam yes, but not for the people. This is how all dictatorships are run. It's breathtaking how clueless you are.
you say "al qaeda is now only a shadow of what it once was" , oh great so your 15 years of warmongering in the middle east brought about the weakening one terrorist group whilst giving birth to another (ISIS) which make the former look like a bunch of girl guides.
The rise of ISIS due the Obama policies was already been explained ad infinitum. He was warned by our military leaders that what would happen would be the exact thing that happened after we left Vietnam. (You remember what happened when we left Vietnam?).
And the were right. Exactly right.
and i didn't "criticised the US for butting in" . i made an observation that since WWII the US has continually stirred up trouble and stuck it's nose into the affairs of other countries. which is indisputable fact.
There was something called the Cold War. We were trying to stop Communist expansion. Were you against that? I know some South Koreans and West Germans that have a strong opinion (and gratitude) that the U.S. "stuck it's nose" into their affairs.
You sound like one of those pussified pacifist that protested against Reagan installing Pershing millions to protect your ungrateful ass because this would be a "sign of aggression" and provoke the Soviet Misslies.
We GIVE you missiles for self defense because you were too weak an unwilling to protect yourselves and you were afraid it would anger the Soviets.
what i said was the UK and europe should have stayed well out of your latest bout of warmongering in the middle east as your 'wars' are rarely worthwhile and even more rarely achieve their given objectives.
Your pacifism and political correctness will be the end of your collapsing culture.
It is my hope that before Europe gets to the point of no return people like you will grow some balls and start fighting back.
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Why do they want to come here? because western intervention has destabilized their homeland and people for the most part just want to live in peace, get a job, feed, clothed and provide a roof for their family. and that's the image america gives off.
Have you ever live in a metropolis? No one assimilates. Even in the famed melting pot everyone keeps to their own kind;
Chinatown, Little Italy, Harlem, flushing(Asians), ktown(korea town), bay ridge(Italians\Irish), hillside(bengali), Astoria(greek), sunnyside\woodside(irish), Jackson heights(south Asians), midwood(jewish), bensonhurst(Italian,Russian), ect ect ect
well i live in nyc, I was working at 2 rector street on 9\11.
where do you live?
So America destabilized the Middle East so in response they want to move to America? The Middle East has always been a mess with or without America.
There's a difference between a society that is muti-ethnic and multi-cultural. Nothing wrong with anybody living and celebrating their heritage but we should all share the same culture. The American culture.
I live in Hawaii.
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If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!
what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.
Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"
defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet
and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"
You mentioned feeble-minded, I see. Ironic.
You have no sense of perspective, unfortunately. This is typical "Bush is Hitler," "Americans are Nazis"- type hyperbole. Totally minimizes the evil that is true terrorism; just makes you feel self-righteously outraged, yet adds zero by way of meaningful discourse.
Too much Zinn, too much Chomsky, too little perspective.
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I didn't say Palestine.
I said Palestinian as in a region.
Not a specific city. Of course I know the determined city itself. Everyone does.
Will attempt to post more when I'm not on my phone.
Oh brother. ::)
Note I said "implied" and just the fact that you didn't use the city Bethlehem and made any reference at all to 'Palestinians" betrays you.
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There's a huge difference between an opinion based upon education and some logical thought process and starting out with a fixed idea and then looking for supporting evidence.
Really? The premise of this thread we have a specific group of people coming from a particular part of the world that want to kill us. I think it's not unreasonable to have a temporary halt in allowing people originating from such countries as we can't vet everybody adequately.
Are you against that? Should we just have open borders? What do you propose?
And logic? You're an expert in logic? A logical argument has three qualities: The premises must be true. The argument must be valid. If that is the case, then per force the conclusion will be true.
So tell me, since it's something you can't google, does this simple syllogism met those criterion? Why or why not based on your education and logical processes?
All birds have wings.
A chicken has wings.
Therefore, a chicken is a bird.
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Pellius = one smart dude in my book.
don`t always agree with him,but most of the time I do.
Great debater.
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Arabs are right up there with blacks as the most evil, parasitic, useless race of "people" on the planet.
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Pellius = one smart dude in my book.
don`t always agree with him,but most of the time I do.
Great debater.
Thanks. I love a good debate and will take on all comers on anything because I care more about truth and clarity and I'm ready to admit if I am wrong or misinformed. If I win an argument I've really learned nothing. If I lose, then that means I've been enlighten and hopefully a bit wiser. I also realize I am not the smartest guy in the world and will acknowledge my superior without shame or false ego. Something I had to due recently.
Actually, I'm not really that sure if I agree or disagree with you.
I think you are a bit over my head and need to dumb it down for me.
I am all about truth and clarity and sometimes this means I have to admit that you appear far more intelligent and self aware than I am.
So I'll just respond with: "What he said ^^^^^"
(Note to self: Reread "Critique of Pure Reason" but this time don't read it while watching reruns of The Simpsons at the same time.)
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Oh brother. ::)
Note I said "implied" and just the fact that you didn't use the city Bethlehem and made any reference at all to 'Palestinians" betrays you.
How does that betray anything? The fact of the matter is that the area is too cold in the winter for sheep herding (shepherds watching over their flocks you night) and the time was tax season which even in Roman times was in the spring.
Do you deny any of what I'm saying is true?
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Oh boy, you have no idea. If we sat down in person and had a debate and you had no access to google you'd realize how uninformed and uneducated you are/
You seem to be having some trouble realizing how meaningless and idiotic this statement is. "Flush out suspects." We know who they are because they tell us.
Under Bush, The Surge, if you even know what that is, was a unanimous success that the world agreed and acknowledged. Obama squandered it.
Oh boy, how stupid can you be? Prosperous and stable to whom? Saddam yes, but not for the people. This is how all dictatorships are run. It's breathtaking how clueless you are.
The rise of ISIS due the Obama policies was already been explained ad infinitum. He was warned by our military leaders that what would happen would be the exact thing that happened after we left Vietnam. (You remember what happened when we left Vietnam?).
And the were right. Exactly right.
There was something called the Cold War. We were trying to stop Communist expansion. Were you against that? I know some South Koreans and West Germans that have a strong opinion (and gratitude) that the U.S. "stuck it's nose" into their affairs.
You sound like one of those pussified pacifist that protested against Reagan installing Pershing millions to protect your ungrateful ass because this would be a "sign of aggression" and provoke the Soviet Misslies.
We GIVE you missiles for self defense because you were too weak an unwilling to protect yourselves and you were afraid it would anger the Soviets.
Your pacifism and political correctness will be the end of your collapsing culture.
It is my hope that before Europe gets to the point of no return people like you will grow some balls and start fighting back.
LOL yes i have really needed to garner tons of information from google to counter your imbecilic arguments!
still not quite managing to comprehend the meaning of "flush out" i see?...even if you think you know who did something you still need to catch them right? "FLUSH THEM OUT of hiding? never mind, keep playing dumb it fits your character.
the world agreed how successful "the surge" in iraq was ? ....no they didn't you utter mongtard.
i remember all the talk at the time of the initial invasion was about making sure that in the aftermath iraq would be left in a stable condition. remember the operation for "hearts and minds"... that worked out well eh?
the invasion and occupation of iraq was an unmitigated disaster from start to finish, and the whole world knows it. attacked a sovereign nation under a false allegation and then left the country in a state of civil war. hundreds of thousands dead and millions turned into refugees.
oh and i suggest you do some reading if you doubt that iraq was a relatively prosperous(for the region) and stable country with a secular regime before you decided to destroy it.
the rise of ISIS was due to you rushing into a war on the back of a lie without any understanding of the internal politics or dynamics of the country you were attacking, and taking down a regime that did have that understanding. and you blame obama for the rise of ISIS? how creative. obama/bush, republicans/democrats = same thing - continued pointless warmongering.
and god knows why you keep bringing up vietnam and the cold war, that was just as worthless, dishonourable and unsuccessful as your latest war on the middle east. going around the world stirring up trouble, staging proxy wars on foreign soil, never achieving specified objectives.
you're right europe does need to "grow some balls" and distance itself as far away from US foreign policy as possible, and quit this foolish notion that at least we'll be safe if we stay on the side of the bully.
anyways i'm done here. arguing with an imbecile is really a fruitless task.
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The Iraq conflict will go down as one of the biggest blunders in history. There is no point trying to defend it now when even politicians who originally supported it have since changed their tune.
Nobody should have ever supported it. Surely everyone knew what the consequences would be?
http://www.arabnews.com/node/223999
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Really? The premise of this thread we have a specific group of people coming from a particular part of the world that want to kill us. I think it's not unreasonable to have a temporary halt in allowing people originating from such countries as we can't vet everybody adequately.
Are you against that? Should we just have open borders? What do you propose?
And logic? You're an expert in logic? A logical argument has three qualities: The premises must be true. The argument must be valid. If that is the case, then per force the conclusion will be true.
So tell me, since it's something you can't google, does this simple syllogism met those criterion? Why or why not based on your education and logical processes?
All birds have wings.
A chicken has wings.
Therefore, a chicken is a bird.
You're goofier than Adonis.
There's no way to prove who is or isn't a Muslim. The only option would be to go by race.
You're asking a person who is against all immigration. The opinion is based upon the idea that less cheap labor will translate into improved standards of living for our citizens.
Some of the Middle East mess is a result of US political/international policy. I don't see the harm in admitting the truth and learning from the mistakes.
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How does that betray anything? The fact of the matter is that the area is too cold in the winter for sheep herding (shepherds watching over their flocks you night) and the time was tax season which even in Roman times was in the spring.
Do you deny any of what I'm saying is true?
Sigh... I don't know why I bother.
My VERY FIRST RESPONSE to your post is that NOBODY believes Christ was born in the winter.
Not using the city of Bethlehem and making any reference to "Palestine" betrays that you are agenda driven.
Are Israeli's terrorist?
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LOL yes i have really needed to garner tons of information from google to counter your imbecilic arguments!
still not quite managing to comprehend the meaning of "flush out" i see?...even if you think you know who did something you still need to catch them right? "FLUSH THEM OUT of hiding? never mind, keep playing dumb it fits your character.
the world agreed how successful "the surge" in iraq was ? ....no they didn't you utter mongtard.
i remember all the talk at the time of the initial invasion was about making sure that in the aftermath iraq would be left in a stable condition. remember the operation for "hearts and minds"... that worked out well eh?
the invasion and occupation of iraq was an unmitigated disaster from start to finish, and the whole world knows it. attacked a sovereign nation under a false allegation and then left the country in a state of civil war. hundreds of thousands dead and millions turned into refugees.
oh and i suggest you do some reading if you doubt that iraq was a relatively prosperous(for the region) and stable country with a secular regime before you decided to destroy it.
the rise of ISIS was due to you rushing into a war on the back of a lie without any understanding of the internal politics or dynamics of the country you were attacking, and taking down a regime that did have that understanding. and you blame obama for the rise of ISIS? how creative. obama/bush, republicans/democrats = same thing - continued pointless warmongering.
and god knows why you keep bringing up vietnam and the cold war, that was just as worthless, dishonourable and unsuccessful as your latest war on the middle east. going around the world stirring up trouble, staging proxy wars on foreign soil, never achieving specified objectives.
you're right europe does need to "grow some balls" and distance itself as far away from US foreign policy as possible, and quit this foolish notion that at least we'll be safe if we stay on the side of the bully.
anyways i'm done here. arguing with an imbecile is really a fruitless task.
I know when I am dealing with a serious, intelligent and thoughtful person where every post contains at least one "LOL".
In all my debates on this board you are truly the most moronic, uneducated and uninformed idiot I've ever encountered on this board. All your "knowledge" is based on the left wing media and celebrity talk shows.
You asked for the reasons why we went to Iraq and would have regardless of terrorism or 9/11 and it just sailed over your vapid head.
This topic is beyond you and way over your head. Just go back to living your shallow nothing life, flexing in front of the mirror, never reading a book, making sure you get all your macros for the day and leave the serious stuff for the adults.
Please change your pic. As with everything in your life, you are clueless, you have no idea what an ass clown you look like.
Ignorance is bliss.
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You're goofier than Adonis.
There's no way to prove who is or isn't a Muslim. The only option would be to go by race.
You're asking a person who is against all immigration. The opinion is based upon the idea that less cheap labor will translate into improved standards of living for our citizens.
Some of the Middle East mess is a result of US political/international policy. I don't see the harm in admitting the truth and learning from the mistakes.
We are talking about immigration from other countries. Didn't you note the exchange between 240 and myself?
But if you are against ALL immigration then it's a moot point.
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Sigh... I don't know why I bother.
My VERY FIRST RESPONSE to your post is that NOBODY believes Christ was born in the winter.
Not using the city of Bethlehem and making any reference to "Palestine" betrays that you are agenda driven.
Are Israeli's terrorist?
No.
And it wasn't Israel when Jesus was born.
It was the Roman Empire.
At the time there was no Israel, so calling the region "Palestinian" is more accurate.
Or are you trying to say that Israel in its current incarnation existed in 33BC?
I have no agenda. You just see what you want to. It matters not to me.
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No.
And it wasn't Israel when Jesus was born.
It was the Roman Empire.
At the time there was no Israel, so calling the region "Palestinian" is more accurate.
Or are you trying to say that Israel in its current incarnation existed in 33BC?
I have no agenda. You just see what you want to. It matters not to me.
Israel and Jerusalem is mentioned repeatedly in the Bible. No mention of Jerusalem or Palestine in the Koran.
It is true that Israel ceased to exist as a nation after its destruction by the Assyrians in 722 BCE. The territory formerly occupied by the Israelites became the Assyrian province of Samaria, and yes, by the time of Jesus it was under Roman control.
The first time the name Palestine was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury.
But the fact is, Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
The fact that you make any reference to "Palestine" when referring
to where Jesus was born. And even say, "If Jesus in fact even existed" betrays your agenda. I am open about my agenda when I mention Palestine I put it in quotes "Palestine" which implies that I do not recognize it as an independent country.
And the fact that you deny that America was founded on Judeo/Christian ethics, a fact that was common knowledge and taken for granted and never debated until recently when people like you seek to undermine any importance and influence that religion has had, not only in the creation of this country, but the influence in the world.
And you lie, it matters a lot to you. If it didn't, you would have been silent about my claim regarding my country's Christian influence. Why would you care as you claim? Because you care a lot. People like you are not so much motivated by free thinking and reason as you claim but simply anti-religious and always seek to attack and undermine something that you claim doesn't matter to you.
If you were true to your word you would just shut up and live and let live.
Jesus was born in the city of Bethlehem. Just say that. Don't subtly embellish it with your anti-religious, anti-Israel agenda. It's only a matter of time before I sniff out an anti-Semite. I've been doing it for decades and a litmus test I used to determine a person's moral compass.
At least now I know you are not an American which explains a lot and makes your opinion far less important.
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I know when I am dealing with a serious, intelligent and thoughtful person where every post contains at least one "LOL".
In all my debates on this board you are truly the most moronic, uneducated and uninformed idiot I've ever encountered on this board. All your "knowledge" is based on the left wing media and celebrity talk shows.
You asked for the reasons why we went to Iraq and would have regardless of terrorism or 9/11 and it just sailed over your vapid head.
This topic is beyond you and way over your head. Just go back to living your shallow nothing life, flexing in front of the mirror, never reading a book, making sure you get all your macros for the day and leave the serious stuff for the adults.
Please change your pic. As with everything in your life, you are clueless, you have no idea what an ass clown you look like.
Ignorance is bliss.
Pellius as i told you earlier nothing you have to say would go over the head of a 4 year old, as all you're doing is reciting outdated government propaganda... even your own government and their predecessors have given up on trying to claim that iraq was any kind of success.
yet here you are , the useful idiot you are "we did a lot of good in iraq" . you dumb shithound
and you continue to rag on how i look in my avi eh...tell you what why don't you post up a pic of yourself, show me how it's done?
oh no i forgot, every time you post a pic you get ripped a new one for looking like the starving, flee ridden aids victim you are.
go back to "elfing" and worshiping an anonymous internet clown as your god. the only things you have ever had any success at in your sorry excuse for life.
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Sigh... I don't know why I bother.
My VERY FIRST RESPONSE to your post is that NOBODY believes Christ was born in the winter.
Not using the city of Bethlehem and making any reference to "Palestine" betrays that you are agenda driven.
Are Israeli's terrorist?
What do you mean by this?
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Pellius as i told you earlier nothing you have to say would go over the head of a 4 year old, as all you're doing is reciting outdated government propaganda... even your own government and their predecessors have given up on trying to claim that iraq was any kind of success.
yet here you are , the useful idiot you are "we did a lot of good in iraq" . you dumb shithound
and you continue to rag on how i look in my avi eh...tell you what why don't you post up a pic of yourself, show me how it's done?
oh no i forgot, every time you post a pic you get ripped a new one for looking like the starving, flee ridden aids victim you are.
go back to "elfing" and worshiping an anonymous internet clown as your god. the only things you have ever had any success at in your sorry excuse for life.
Like I said, if we sat down face to face for a formal debate I would expose you for how ignorant and uniformed you are. I would only have to ask you one simple question about the Cold War, or the role Carter played in ruining our relationship with one of our closest allies, Iran, or what one single weapon we supplied Afghanistan that an ordinary foot soldier could be trained to use that literally change the course of the war. Anything regarding any of our involvement in anything in the world: Somali, the Sandinistas, the Philippines, Korea, that anybody with any familiarity with these issues could answer.... would expose you for the ignoramus that you are so blissfully unaware of.
I worked in this business, the DOD, for twenty years. I worked and campaigned in political elections and campaigns since I was twelve. My older brother was in Vietnam. My younger brother is a Colonel in the Army and served both in Afghanistan and Iraq repeatedly. My cousin's wife has a bullet scar in her left arm and left leg and saw her younger brother's head explode in front of her from a bullet as they were trying to cross the Mekong river to escape the Communist. More than twice the number of people were murdered by the Communist in less than two years after the Americans left than in our entire ten year involvement. What happened in Saigon (do you know what happened in Saigon? They made a movie about it, The Killing Fields) is the very thing we were trying to prevent when we "butted in". And the same thing is happening in Iraq because we left. We were winning in Vietnam and we were winning in Iraq. But it is people like you that is brain washed by the media that follows along like the uninformed sheep that you are.
You are in my world now. Just like the world of muscle and posing is your world and you would run rings around me in that environment.
You are so out of your element and you have no idea.
Although I know I can never convince you because you are motivated more by ego than truth, it is some source of satisfaction that at least I am so deep in your head that I have forced you to actually do some research and that you keep coming back even though you say you are "done with me."
No you're not. I'll decide when we're done. But that's what I do. I try to get dummies like you to at least think and do some research even if it's just wikipedia.
Now go watch the Killing Fields and why America gets involved in world events that no one either has the will, ability or balls to do for themselves. That's why everyone looks to us for leadership and why we are resented. No one ask why your country didn't do anything in Rwanda. (What happened in Rwanda and why? Look it up.) Something that could have been prevented easily. EASILY. More people were murdered in three months than every man, women and child in Hawaii. And they did it not with tanks, bombs and rifles -- but with machetes. And we are blamed for not "butting" in.
You really, really have no idea how ignorant you are. (Note: I never said stupid. I don't know you well enough to comment on your actual raw, cognitive abilities. But whatever congenital brain power you have it is vastly under utilized.)
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What do you mean by this?
I mean exactly what it says. Some say yes. Some say no. I just want to know what one's position is when I ask that question.
Many consider Israeli's terrorist and Israel a terrorist nation because or their attacks on Gaza and elsewhere and the killing enemies of their State just as someone here on this very thread called America the biggest terrorist in the world.
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I mean exactly what it says. Some say yes. Some say no. I just want to know what one's position is when I ask that question.
Many consider Israeli's terrorist and Israel a terrorist nation because or their attacks on Gaza and elsewhere and the killing enemies of their State just as someone here on this very thread called America the biggest terrorist in the world.
It's a vague question though.
All nations will contain unpleasant and violent individuals and many nations have terrorist elements within them (including Israel). Obviously, no one believes that the average citizen of any nation is a terrorist though.
I think what Conker meant with the "biggest terrorist in the world" remark is that the American government often acts in a warmongering and tyrannical manner. He isn't implying that the American people are terrorists.
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Like I said, if we sat down face to face for a formal debate I would expose you for how ignorant and uniformed you are. I would only have to ask you one simple question about the Cold War, or the role Carter played in ruining our relationship with one of our closest allies, Iran, or what one single weapon we supplied Afghanistan that an ordinary foot soldier could be trained to use that literally change the course of the war. Anything regarding any of our involvement in anything in the world: Somali, the Sandinistas, the Philippines, Korea, that anybody with any familiarity with these issues could answer.... would expose you for the ignoramus that you are so blissfully unaware of.
I worked in this business, the DOD, for twenty years. I worked and campaigned in political elections and campaigns since I was twelve. My older brother was in Vietnam. My younger brother is a Colonel in the Army and served both in Afghanistan and Iraq repeatedly. My cousin's wife has a bullet scar in her left arm and left leg and saw her younger brother's head explode in front of her from a bullet as they were trying to cross the Mekong river to escape the Communist. More than twice the number of people were murdered by the Communist in less than two years after the Americans left than in our entire ten year involvement. What happened in Saigon (do you know what happened in Saigon? They made a movie about it, The Killing Fields) is the very thing we were trying to prevent when we "butted in". And the same thing is happening in Iraq because we left. We were winning in Vietnam and we were winning in Iraq. But it is people like you that is brain washed by the media that follows along like the uninformed sheep that you are.
You are in my world now. Just like the world of muscle and posing is your world and you would run rings around me in that environment.
You are so out of your element and you have no idea.
Although I know I can never convince you because you are motivated more by ego than truth, it is some source of satisfaction that at least I am so deep in your head that I have forced you to actually do some research and that you keep coming back even though you say you are "done with me."
No you're not. I'll decide when we're done. But that's what I do. I try to get dummies like you to at least think and do some research even if it's just wikipedia.
Now go watch the Killing Fields and why America gets involved in world events that no one either has the will, ability or balls to do for themselves. That's why everyone looks to us for leadership and why we are resented. No one ask why your country didn't do anything in Rwanda. (What happened in Rwanda and why? Look it up.) Something that could have been prevented easily. EASILY. More people were murdered in three months than every man, women and child in Hawaii. And they did it not with tanks, bombs and rifles -- but with machetes. And we are blamed for not "butting" in.
You really, really have no idea how ignorant you are. (Note: I never said stupid. I don't know you well enough to comment on your actual raw, cognitive abilities. But whatever congenital brain power you have it is vastly under utilized.)
pellius you are an articulate guy, i'll give you that much. but you are unable to think for yourself , that is why you were so easily manipulated into becoming an "elf" and chief disciple for the "god of whoremongs" . you are the kind of guy that had you met david koresh would have willingly followed him into that burning building in waco.
that is why you you are so susceptible to state propaganda. your involvement in vietnam had no more to do with "saving civilians" than your recent attacks on iraq, lybia and syria. you committed numerous civilian atrocities in vietnam including the widespread use of chemical warfare. left behind a trail of devastation without achieving any of your outlined objectives.
but yet you all lap it all up. "we are the good guys" "taking care of the bad guys no one else has the balls to do it" "just like we did in vietnam"
you are the type of guy that could study something for a decade and still come away with no real no knowledge of that subject. as i said you're nothing more than a useful idiot.
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pellius you are an articulate guy, i'll give you that much. but you are unable to think for yourself , that is why you were so easily manipulated into becoming an "elf" and chief disciple for the "god of whoremongs" . you are the kind of guy that had you met david koresh would have willingly followed him into that burning building in waco.
that is why you you are so susceptible to state propaganda. your involvement in vietnam had no more to do with "saving civilians" than your recent attacks on iraq, lybia and syria. you committed numerous civilian atrocities in vietnam including the widespread use of chemical warfare. left behind a trail of devastation without achieving any of your outlined objectives.
but yet you all lap it all up. "we are the good guys" "taking care of the bad guys no one else has the balls to do it" "just like we did in vietnam"
you are the type of guy that could study something for a decade and still come away with no real no knowledge of that subject. as i said you're nothing more than a useful idiot.
Again your ignorance is so gruesomely palatable. The common narrative regarding Vietnam is that we "butt our nose" in where it didn't belong and we lost the war. That came from the media and that's what you lap up. I am saying practically the opposite. We actually won that war and did it to help the people. The Soviet Union was an expansionist regime and were taking over countries. Korea and Vietnam were two of them. We were fighting Communist expansion and defending Democratic regimes. Communism murder and oppress their people. Pol Pot murder one out three of his own people. Try to comprehend that in your pea brain. One out of three people murdered in Cambodia. That's why we were there. Why else would we be? For their oil? Their lucrative trading partners. After we left more people were murdered by the Communist in less than two years than in our entire ten year involvement. I know I said that already but because of your vapid shallowness that horror obviously makes no impression on you.
There would be no South Korea if it wasn't for us. It would be all Communist. All like North Korea. A true hell on earth. South Korea is a free, vibrant, productive and prosperous country. North Korea is a prison filled with starving oppressed people. That's why we were there. And we won half the country just like we won half of Germany and now all of Germany because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A fall that happened because of us. The "nose butting" Americans. Compare East Germany now to East Germany under Communist. Compare West Germany during the Cold War to East Germany under the Communist. We had an exchange student from East Germany some years ago and when their parents also came to visit they told us the horrors that they lived through. How they got that infamous "knock of the door" late at night and their uncle was never heard from again.
Conker, seriously, just stop. Just stop. This is not your thing. It's just casual beer drinking conversation for you. For me, it's serious business. I am a lot older than you and I lived through this and have relatives that were intimately involved. My mother and my aunts waited in the mountains as the American helicopters landed and they knew freedom had arrived. My father served in the military during WW2 and worked in politics under the governor. My uncle was killed during WW2. My brothers have all been in the military or worked in military related industries (such as myself being with the DOD).
The Cold War and American's military involvement was an everyday subject in our family. Even though I was only 3 years old I still remember vividly our whole family gathered around the radio listening to reports about the death of JFK. On 9/11 I was in my office which was right across the street from LAX with all the planes grounded and zero traffic. It was such an eerie feeling seeing what is usually a bustling, traffic jammed, frantic part of LA with the constant back and forth of planes looking like a ghost town.
Politics and world events is what our lives revolved around in our family and was the prime determinant as to what we will and did do with our lives.
Just stop already. Just go back to whatever it is you care about in life.
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Israel and Jerusalem is mentioned repeatedly in the Bible. No mention of Jerusalem or Palestine in the Koran.
It is true that Israel ceased to exist as a nation after its destruction by the Assyrians in 722 BCE. The territory formerly occupied by the Israelites became the Assyrian province of Samaria, and yes, by the time of Jesus it was under Roman control.
The first time the name Palestine was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury.
But the fact is, Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
The fact that you make any reference to "Palestine" when referring
to where Jesus was born. And even say, "If Jesus in fact even existed" betrays your agenda. I am open about my agenda when I mention Palestine I put it in quotes "Palestine" which implies that I do not recognize it as an independent country.
And the fact that you deny that America was founded on Judeo/Christian ethics, a fact that was common knowledge and taken for granted and never debated until recently when people like you seek to undermine any importance and influence that religion has had, not only in the creation of this country, but the influence in the world.
And you lie, it matters a lot to you. If it didn't, you would have been silent about my claim regarding my country's Christian influence. Why would you care as you claim? Because you care a lot. People like you are not so much motivated by free thinking and reason as you claim but simply anti-religious and always seek to attack and undermine something that you claim doesn't matter to you.
If you were true to your word you would just shut up and live and let live.
Jesus was born in the city of Bethlehem. Just say that. Don't subtly embellish it with your anti-religious, anti-Israel agenda. It's only a matter of time before I sniff out an anti-Semite. I've been doing it for decades and a litmus test I used to determine a person's moral compass.
At least now I know you are not an American which explains a lot and makes your opinion far less important.
You type a lot and it's all bullshit.
I do live and let live and you are so stupid. Everyone knows who I am. Where I'm from and where I work.
I do not hide behind anonymous screen names.
Of course I'm an American. You make baseless assumptions and are found completely wrong.
I make 5 sentence posts from my phone which convey all I need to and are accurate while you type dissertations to convince people you know what you are talking about. In your long winded ways you even are forced to 1/2 way agree with and even validate my own statements, then you keep typing away.
I have no issues with you believing the US is some sort of "Christian nation". I just don't agree based upon the framework the US was based on.
So what?
I don't stop you from going to church and I don't get pissed when people say Merry Christmas too me. Just like I don't get upset if people say Happy Hannukah to me.
You really have some issues if you think this "matters a lot". It's a message board where I state my opinion on topics.
As it stands I'm going to go buy Christmas presents because my family does celebrate the holiday called Christmas as it has been our tradition since before I was born here in the United States of America.
America is also not a country but a region.
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You type a lot and it's all bullshit.
I do live and let live and you are so stupid. Everyone knows who I am. Where I'm from and where I work.
I do not hide behind anonymous screen names.
Of course I'm an American. You make baseless assumptions and are found completely wrong.
I make 5 sentence posts from my phone which convey all I need to and are accurate while you type dissertations to convince people you know what you are talking about. In your long winded ways you even are forced to 1/2 way agree with and even validate my own statements, then you keep typing for away.
I have no issues with you believing the US is some sort of "Christian nation". I just don't agree based upon the framework the US was based on.
So what?
I don't stop you from going to church and I don't get pissed when people say Merry Christmas too me. Just like I don't get upset if people say Happy Hannukah to me.
You really have some issues if you think this "matters a lot". It's a message board where I state my opinion on topics.
As it stands I'm going to go buy Christmas presents because my family does celebrate the holiday called Christmas as it has been our tradition since before I was born here in the United States of America.
America is also not a country but a region.
Happy Kwanzaa
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We did a lot of good in Iraq.
Happy Festivus everyone.
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Happy Kwanzaa
Thanks! You too!!
We did a lot of good in Iraq.
Happy Festivus everyone.
Obviously we did.
Happy Festivus to you also.
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pellius you are an articulate guy, i'll give you that much. but you are unable to think for yourself , that is why you were so easily manipulated into becoming an "elf" and chief disciple for the "god of whoremongs" . you are the kind of guy that had you met david koresh would have willingly followed him into that burning building in waco.
that is why you you are so susceptible to state propaganda. your involvement in vietnam had no more to do with "saving civilians" than your recent attacks on iraq, lybia and syria. you committed numerous civilian atrocities in vietnam including the widespread use of chemical warfare. left behind a trail of devastation without achieving any of your outlined objectives.
but yet you all lap it all up. "we are the good guys" "taking care of the bad guys no one else has the balls to do it" "just like we did in vietnam"
you are the type of guy that could study something for a decade and still come away with no real no knowledge of that subject. as i said you're nothing more than a useful idiot.
lol at Elf.
(http://dreamatico.com/data_images/elf/elf-4.jpg)
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It's a vague question though.
All nations will contain unpleasant and violent individuals and many nations have terrorist elements within them (including Israel). Obviously, no one believes that the average citizen of any nation is a terrorist though.
I think what Conker meant with the "biggest terrorist in the world" remark is that the American government often acts in a warmongering and tyrannical manner. He isn't implying that the American people are terrorists.
Terrorist target civilians and innocent people. They target them.
No one does more to spare innocent lives in times of war than countries like the U.S. and Israel.
Yes, I know, I know, I know, so don't even bother... innocent lives are lost. Innocent lives are always lost in a military conflict. But we do not target them. We do not intentionally go after civilians.
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You type a lot and it's all bullshit.
I do live and let live and you are so stupid. Everyone knows who I am. Where I'm from and where I work.
I do not hide behind anonymous screen names.
Of course I'm an American. You make baseless assumptions and are found completely wrong.
I make 5 sentence posts from my phone which convey all I need to and are accurate while you type dissertations to convince people you know what you are talking about. In your long winded ways you even are forced to 1/2 way agree with and even validate my own statements, then you keep typing away.
I have no issues with you believing the US is some sort of "Christian nation". I just don't agree based upon the framework the US was based on.
So what?
I don't stop you from going to church and I don't get pissed when people say Merry Christmas too me. Just like I don't get upset if people say Happy Hannukah to me.
You really have some issues if you think this "matters a lot". It's a message board where I state my opinion on topics.
As it stands I'm going to go buy Christmas presents because my family does celebrate the holiday called Christmas as it has been our tradition since before I was born here in the United States of America.
America is also not a country but a region.
No, you type bullshit. And not everybody knows who you are. You act like you are some kind of celebrity. And, yes, I do believe truth matters and will slap down ingrates like you that try to spread lies about the founding of our country. And it's truly a disgrace that you are an American. No where in the world are there more ingrates than in America.
If you truly live and let live then you would have just kept your mouth shut when I said Jesus was born in Bethlehem. If you have no issues with me and what I believe then just shut up about it. And though the origins of the word "Palestine" has different interpretations what I said was true. It's just a made up country. There's no distinct culture, race, language that is Palestinian and it has never existed independently. That is a fact so shut up about it.
For someone who claims not to care and has no issues with other people's beliefs you sure have a big mouth.
Stop lying to me and to yourself and just shut up.
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Generally, I am not a fan of immigration, and I certainly know that "good Muslims" are incompatible with the west.
If, as has been stated, 10-20 percent of Muslims hold what are fundamentalist ("radical") views, then all the nations allowing hundred of thousands of Middle East peoples in are setting themselves up for endless chaos that will only intensify as the decades pass.
Fact is, the Middle East has been and continues to be, in general, a true hellhole on Earth, resulting from, at its core, the religion of Islam. It's no coincidence that wherever Islam plants a profound root, trouble, chaos and mayhem ensues.
Heck, if even ONE percent of the Muslim global population (the better part of two billion) is fundamentalist, this translates into millions who swear the non-Muslim population as their mortal enemy. To be mowed down in the push to make Islam all-encompassing, everywhere.
It's a cruel world. It is very sad how things are. But facts are facts.
The threat of Islam is real. Not all Muslims ... but Islam and those who are, again, "good Muslims".
I very much dislike all religion, but to use Christianity, or whatever, in a comparison is nonsense. If you don't know why this is, well, you need to button up and do some research/thinking.
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No, you type bullshit. And not everybody knows who you are. You act like you are some kind of celebrity. And, yes, I do believe truth matters and will slap down ingrates like you that try to spread lies about the founding of our country. And it's truly a disgrace that you are an American. No where in the world are there more ingrates than in America.
If you truly live and let live then you would have just kept your mouth shut when I said Jesus was born in Bethlehem. If you have no issues with me and what I believe then just shut up about it. And though the origins of the word "Palestine" has different interpretations what I said was true. It's just a made up country. There's no distinct culture, race, language that is Palestinian and it has never existed independently. That is a fact so shut up about it.
For someone who claims not to care and has no issues with other people's beliefs you sure have a big mouth.
Stop lying to me and to yourself and just shut up.
Celebrity? Hardly... What I am though is someone who has been on this board for 10 years and has never hidden behind a "screen name" or worried about anonymity.
I have no issues with other people's beliefs including your own stupid ones.
You however take a huge issue with the beliefs I hold. Hence your pages upon pages of bullshit.
I won't shut up because I wouldn't give you the satisfaction of thinking you "got me".
Trust me, no one gives a fuck about what you do or do not believe. Least of all me. You don't like my mouth, feel free to "set it up".
I'm easy to find.
As far as the whole Palestinian thing is concerned. Many scholars and historians have no issue with the region being listed as Palestinian even if there has never been a country named "Palestine". There are numerous references to it, but I'm sure you're just smarter and so much more knowledgeable than anyone else.
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Celebrity? Hardly... What I am though is someone who has been on this board for 10 years and has never hidden behind a "screen name" or worried about anonymity.
I have no issues with other people's beliefs including your own stupid ones.
You however take a huge issue with the beliefs I hold. Hence your pages upon pages of bullshit.
I won't shut up because I wouldn't give you the satisfaction of thinking you "got me".
Trust me, no one gives a fuck about what you do or do not believe. Least of all me. You don't like my mouth, feel free to "set it up".
I'm easy to find.
As far as the whole Palestinian thing is concerned. Many scholars and historians have no issue with the region being listed as Palestinian even if there has never been a country named "Palestine". There are numerous references to it, but I'm sure you're just smarter and so much more knowledgeable than anyone else.
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I won't shut up because I wouldn't give you the satisfaction of thinking you "got me".
And in the same breath you claim you don't care what I think and it's all live and let live. And now you're a though guy challenging me to "set it up". LMAO! I already "got you".
And you can find any scholar or historian support any position you want. Climate change? Existence of God? So you make another meaningless post.
Look forward to another prompt, cry baby reply, claiming you don't care what I think.
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And in the same breath you claim you don't care what I think and it's all live and let live. And now you're a though guy challenging me to "set it up". LMAO! I already "got you".
And you can find any scholar or historian support any position you want. Climate change? Existence of God? So you make another meaningless post.
Look forward to another prompt, cry baby reply, claiming you don't care what I think.
That's what I thought. More blah blah.
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That's what I thought. More blah blah.
You thought nothing! You've run out of material and can't address my arguments so now just wait for me to post praying (Yes, I said praying!) that I get bored with you.
Try to wait at least 30 minutes before replying so you can at least give the facade that I am not so in your head that every time you're on this board you come to this thread to see what I say next.
"Everybody knows me. Doesn't he know who I am?"
Oh brother. So full of yourself. So ungrateful. Such a miserable anti-Semite.
Now tell me again how you don't care what I think and it's all live and let live for you?
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You thought nothing! You've run out of material and can't address my arguments so now just wait for me to post praying (Yes, I said praying!) that I get bored with you.
Try to wait at least 30 minutes before replying so you can at least give the facade that I am not so in your head that every time you're on this board you come to this thread to see what I say next.
"Everybody knows me. Doesn't he know who I am?"
Oh brother. So full of yourself. So ungrateful. Such a miserable anti-Semite.
Now tell me again how you don't care what I think and it's all live and let live for you?
Why would I wait when I'm wide awake. Anti Semite? Man you make up a lot of crap.
Keep on typing. It's me who is in your head. Your lengthy diatribes confirm it. Enjoy losing your mind some more.
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You thought nothing! You've run out of material and can't address my arguments so now just wait for me to post praying (Yes, I said praying!) that I get bored with you.
Try to wait at least 30 minutes before replying so you can at least give the facade that I am not so in your head that every time you're on this board you come to this thread to see what I say next.
"Everybody knows me. Doesn't he know who I am?"
Oh brother. So full of yourself. So ungrateful. Such a miserable anti-Semite.
Now tell me again how you don't care what I think and it's all live and let live for you?
What did he say for you to think he's an anti-semite? ???
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What did he say for you to think he's an anti-semite? ???
He's a brain dead zombie that repeats what he hears on NPR and Fox News. The term anti-Semite is laughable and a stupid label. If you are against Canadian policies no one calls you anti-Canada, if you're against the policies of Tanzania you aren't labeled anti-Tanzanian but once you criticize Israel you are immediately labeled an anti-Semite. It's just a comical term.
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What did he say for you to think he's an anti-semite? ???
Its equivalent to when Musclearny "runs" around calling everyone a sympathizer of radical muslim. Its just diarrhea of the mouth.
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Wait what, is Three Holmes an anti-semite?
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Wait what, is Three Holmes an anti-semite?
Apparently?
Who knew?!
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What did he say for you to think he's an anti-semite? ???
He disagreed, LOL!
Everyone who disagrees with muscularny is an anti-Semitic, terrorist, Muslim, radical Islamist apologist doo doo brain.
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With muscularny, at least you can put it down to him being a semi-troll. With pellius, he seems to believe everything he writes even though much of it just comes across as the rantings and ramblings of a madman.
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He disagreed, LOL!
Everyone who disagrees with muscularny is an anti-Semitic, terrorist, Muslim, radical Islamist apologist doo doo brain.
lmao!! Musclearny is sort of a funny troll ;D ;D
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lmao!! Musclearny is sort of a funny troll ;D ;D
He's EKul. Hates muslims because one day he was playing in a park and a couple muslim guys were walking their dog and it got off the leash and attacked him. Since then he's been butthurt about it.
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He's EKul. Hates muslims because one day he was playing in a park and a couple muslim guys were walking their dog and it got off the leash and attacked him. Since then he's been butthurt about it.
But Radical Plato is also E-Kul, correct?
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He's EKul. Hates muslims because one day he was playing in a park and a couple muslim guys were walking their dog and it got off the leash and attacked him. Since then he's been butthurt about it.
You're kidding, right?
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But Radical Plato is also E-Kul, correct?
Yes, E-Kul still posts here but under the name Radical Plato. I don't think muscularny has any other accounts.
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You're kidding, right?
Same reason he's afraid of pit bulls.
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these guys are basically fundamentalist republicanites
pellius worships a dead man named ronald reagan, basically a radical reactionary statist
musculary is one of new gen that is just an uneducated fanatic, a highly dangerous unstable person
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Why would I wait when I'm wide awake. Anti Semite? Man you make up a lot of crap.
Keep on typing. It's me who is in your head. Your lengthy diatribes confirm it. Enjoy losing your mind some more.
I'm wide awake, too. I just would have thought that someone as famous as you are and one that "everybody knows" would have other demands on his time then waiting for me to post.
You ignored my question about Israeli's being terrorist. That's one of the standard beliefs of the anti-Semite. I'll pose a much gentler and less inflammatory quesiton: Do you think that Israel should exist as it is now and just be left alone?
"You're not in my me head. It's me who is in your head."
Shit! That a pretty devastating and brutal come back. I can see such a massive intellect is not to be trifled with.
Look forward to your prompt reply. You're clocking in consistently at under fifteen minutes.
I'll respond whenever I feel like it.
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I'm wide awake, too. I just would have thought that someone as famous as you are and one that "everybody knows" would have other demands on his time then waiting for me to post.
You ignored my question about Israeli's being terrorist. That's one of the standard beliefs of the anti-Semite. I'll pose a much gentler and less inflammatory quesiton: Do you think that Israel should exist as it is now and just be left alone?
"You're not in my me head. It's me who is in your head."
Shit! That a pretty devastating and brutal come back. I can see such a massive intellect is not to be trifled with.
Look forward to your prompt reply. You're clocking in consistently at under fifteen minutes.
I'll respond whenever I feel like it.
Israel is both a siege state, and a besieged one. You know that. Perhaps, it's time to stop talking and make that trip?
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I'm wide awake, too. I just would have thought that someone as famous as you are and one that "everybody knows" would have other demands on his time then waiting for me to post.
You ignored my question about Israeli's being terrorist. That's one of the standard beliefs of the anti-Semite. I'll pose a much gentler and less inflammatory quesiton: Do you think that Israel should exist as it is now and just be left alone?
"You're not in my me head. It's me who is in your head."
Shit! That a pretty devastating and brutal come back. I can see such a massive intellect is not to be trifled with.
Look forward to your prompt reply. You're clocking in consistently at under fifteen minutes.
I'll respond whenever I feel like it.
No I didn't ignore it mother fucker. I said "No".
That was in response to Israel being terrorists. You asked a question and got a one word response.
Is that too difficult for you to understand.
Prompt as usual.
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Sigh... I don't know why I bother.
My VERY FIRST RESPONSE to your post is that NOBODY believes Christ was born in the winter.
Not using the city of Bethlehem and making any reference to "Palestine" betrays that you are agenda driven.
Are Israeli's terrorist?
No.
And it wasn't Israel when Jesus was born.
It was the Roman Empire.
At the time there was no Israel, so calling the region "Palestinian" is more accurate.
Or are you trying to say that Israel in its current incarnation existed in 33BC?
I have no agenda. You just see what you want to. It matters not to me.
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No I didn't ignore it mother fucker. I said "No".
That was in response to Israel being terrorists. You asked a question and got a one word response.
Is that too difficult for you to understand.
Prompt as usual.
"Mother fucker"? Come now, don't you think this is a bit inappropriate and unbecoming of a man of your fame and stature on this board? You don't want your many fans that you are so well know to get the impression that I am getting under your skin and in your head. Remember, you're in my head, right?
And I do remember that reply. I took the "No" in reference to where Christ was born as indicated by the very next statement. You have to be patient with the majority that are not close to your level of brilliance.
But I am beginning to think that you don't have so much of an agenda but rather the typical, full of himself, snarky know it all that always likes to point out, with pedantic precision, trivial inaccuracies to show off his intellectual superiority. That instead of singing "My country 'tis of thee..." I should say, "My region 'tis of thee." And that Christ was born in Roman/Palestinian territory rather then the universally accepted Bethlehem. I can just imagine you back in the day sitting with your girl friend driving in your car when the Aretha Franklin hit tune, "Who's zooming who" is playing and you clicking your tongue and shaking your head. "Whom! It's suppose to be whom!"
Yes: region, Palestinian, not in the winter... such a brilliant and famous man. Oh, and let us not forget, the Judeo-Christian value system had nothing to do with the founding of our country. Oops! I mean, "region".
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"Mother fucker"? Come now, don't you think this is a bit inappropriate and unbecoming of a man of your fame and stature on this board? You don't want your many fans that you are so well know to get the impression that I am getting under your skin and in your head. Remember, you're in my head, right?
And I do remember that reply. I took the "No" in reference to where Christ was born as indicated by the very next statement. You have to be patient with the majority that are not close to your level of brilliance.
But I am beginning to think that you don't have so much of an agenda but rather the typical, full of himself, snarky know it all that always likes to point out, with pedantic precision, trivial inaccuracies to show off his intellectual superiority. That instead of singing "My country 'tis of thee..." I should say, "My region 'tis of thee." And that Christ was born in Roman/Palestinian territory rather then the universally accepted Bethlehem. I can just imagine you back in the day sitting with your girl friend driving in your car when the Aretha Franklin hit tune, "Who's zooming who" is playing and you clicking your tongue and shaking your head. "Whom! It's suppose to be whom!"
Yes: region, Palestinian, not in the winter... such a brilliant and famous man. Oh, and let us not forget, the Judeo-Christian value system had nothing to do with the founding of our country. Oops! I mean, "region".
Blah blah.
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You're like a child.
Unless you yell at them they just don't get it.
You've already been shown to look like a fool. So why don't you just stop.
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Blah blah.
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You're like a child.
Unless you yell at them they just don't get it.
You've already been shown to look like a fool. So why don't you just stop.
Actually no.
You just don't get it.
That's why you are pounding your spoon crying like a baby waiting breathlessly for my next response.
Should I have put a comma after the word "Actually"?
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Actually no.
You just don't get it.
That's why you are pounding your spoon crying like a baby waiting breathlessly for my next response.
Should I have put a comma after the word "Actually"?
Yes. You should have used a comma.
There is no spoon pounding. I'm bored with you. I won't respond any longer to you in this thread because it's pointless.
You view yourself as enlightened, and while there is some intelligence, it's masked behind the foolish.
The worst part is that everyone can see it but you.
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Yes. You should have used a comma.
There is no spoon pounding. I'm bored with you. I won't respond any longer to you in this thread because it's pointless.
You view yourself as enlightened, and while there is some intelligence, it's masked behind the foolish.
The worst part is that everyone can see it but you.
Now, now, you wouldn't want me to think "I got you".
I won't shut up because I wouldn't give you the satisfaction of thinking you "got me".
And not only does everyone know you, but you know what every one thinks. Not wonder you took such offense at me questioning you. You should have just said, "Don't you know who I am."
I tell you what, just answer this one question and we will leave it at that. Do you believe that Israel should be allowed exist as it is now, as an independent State, Country, Region, Nation (whatever you prefer).
A yes or no will suffice but I wouldn't discourage any additional commentary.