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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2015, 06:53:34 PM »

So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..


Preserving our rights is the goal, not fairness. Trading our rights for the illusion of safety and/or increasing government intrusiveness doesn't make sense. The govt is who got us into this mess, LOL!

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2015, 06:54:49 PM »
They already get checked against state and federal databases. The comparison you're reaching for is completely idiotic and I won't entertain you.

How is it completely idiotic? The thread is about restricting the migration of muslims. Restriction of arms would be gawked at, regulation would be welcomed - for guns. Why not for muslims if it works so great (it doesn't) for guns?

@Kazan - lol - all the time? Yeah I'd consider over 300 mass shootings in a calendar year all the time. Women are not on their periods more often.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2015, 06:57:47 PM »
Seems like it isn't banned anyway.

What you posted is about slavery
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2015, 06:59:04 PM »
Preserving our rights is the goal, not fairness. Trading our rights for the illusion of safety and/or increasing government intrusiveness doesn't make sense. The govt is who got us into this mess, LOL!

If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2015, 06:59:10 PM »
How is it completely idiotic? The thread is about restricting the migration of muslims. Restriction of arms would be gawked at, regulation would be welcomed - for guns. Why not for muslims if it works so great (it doesn't) for guns?

@Kazan - lol - all the time? Yeah I'd consider over 300 mass shootings in a calendar year all the time. Women are not on their periods more often.

Where exactly are you getting this statistic? Mother Jones? More left wing propaganda to push for the gun grab.
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2015, 07:01:55 PM »
Where exactly are you getting this statistic? Mother Jones? More left wing propaganda to push for the gun grab.

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

BTW I am not left wing at all. Far from it. I just don't live in a society with a gun violence issue unwilling to accept it.

I live in a country with a drinking issue sadly proud of it. At least we are honest.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2015, 07:03:28 PM »
If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?

Where does the intrusion stop? Friends, neighbors, kids, etc...

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2015, 07:07:10 PM »
http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

BTW I am not left wing at all. Far from it. I just don't live in a society with a gun violence issue unwilling to accept it.

I live in a country with a drinking issue sadly proud of it. At least we are honest.

The shooting tracker ::)

http://truthinmedia.com/fact-check-355-mass-shootings-far-2015/
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #83 on: December 08, 2015, 07:07:24 PM »
Where does the intrusion stop? Friends, neighbors, kids, etc...
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You said preserving rights was goal in previous post (justifying keeping guns) but now ask when does intrusion end (ignoring guns and jumping to rights of US citizens to travel)...

Do you not see the ridiculous contradiction in your stance? You either have a right or you don't and the right to travel is a right as is the right to a gun. Place all the laws you want on top to control them, but you can't stop them.


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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #85 on: December 08, 2015, 07:09:33 PM »
If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?

Well that depends, Farook was an American who traveled to Saudi Arabia and came back a jihdi.
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #86 on: December 08, 2015, 07:11:39 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/

Sorry, those corrupted folks at PBS and the Guardian disagree.

And they all get their stats from shooting tracker. If there were 355 mass shootings in the US it would be a 24/7 news cycle for a year. No such thing happened. You have to look at how the stats are collected and what said collector considers a mass shooting. Is shooting a couple kids with a BB gun a mass shooting?

Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of the propaganda that gets put out there...........
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2015, 07:35:51 PM »
Well that depends, Farook was an American who traveled to Saudi Arabia and came back a jihdi.

So to be clear... Your argument is, any Muslim American citizen living in the US cannot travel to a country like Saudi Arabia (a country that the US considers an ally) but any other American say a Jew or a catholic or an athiest can?


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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2015, 07:43:01 PM »
And they all get their stats from shooting tracker. If there were 355 mass shootings in the US it would be a 24/7 news cycle for a year. No such thing happened. You have to look at how the stats are collected and what said collector considers a mass shooting. Is shooting a couple kids with a BB gun a mass shooting?

Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of the propaganda that gets put out there...........

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2015, 09:42:58 PM »
Goodness you're stupid.  Isis is not Islam period.  Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying.  Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up.  Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics.  They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda. 

Such a delusional, angry man. You may call ISIS anything you want but they identify themselves as Sunni Muslims and kill in the name of Allah. You sound like Obama. Too afraid to admit that we are at war with Radical Islam.

You sound like a Muslim. Are you?

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #90 on: December 08, 2015, 09:49:25 PM »
If you are an American muslim is it not a massive intrusion on your rights by the govt to restrict travel?

No, I am not talking about American Muslims that are US citizens. I am talking about non citizens and refugees trying to enter the country. We can't adequately vet all of the Muslims. There is a large group of Muslims that want to kill us. We are under no obligation to accept foreigners from anywhere in the world and as non citizens they don't have the same rights as US citizens.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2015, 09:58:17 PM »

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2015, 01:51:54 AM »
Well, both Britain and America has done some colonizing as well. But I'm not sure I understand your point. I know you are  not suggesting that France had it coming and what goes around comes around.

France has allowed easy access for Muslims to enter their country and look how they have fared. The same can happen here. There should be no religious test to enter this country but Islam is more than just a religion. It is a political and cultural ideology.

The fact of the matter is, where ever Muslims goes they create war, oppression, murder and suffering. They must be contained and one of the reasons Trump has such a populist appeal. He's brave enough to say what most people are thinking.


The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.

Lets look at the last 15 years.

The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.

Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.

Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people"  . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.

Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.

Still bombing Iraq and Syria.

And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?  

Frightening!  ???

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2015, 05:32:27 AM »

The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.

Lets look at the last 15 years.

The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.

Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.

Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people"  . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.

Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.

Still bombing Iraq and Syria.

And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?  

Frightening!  ???

Dude, you need to stop harshing on pellius' low-rent demagoguery.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2015, 06:08:09 AM »
So to be clear... Your argument is, any Muslim American citizen living in the US cannot travel to a country like Saudi Arabia (a country that the US considers an ally) but any other American say a Jew or a catholic or an athiest can?



Well you tell me, there are at least 2 instances of supposedly normal American muslims heading over to whateverstan and coming back full jihadi. Boston Marathon bombers and now the San Bernardino assclowns. Probably more just not reported. What exactly in happening to these people, that all of the sudden they are yelling allah akbar and killing the infidel?
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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2015, 07:12:53 AM »

The misinformation and irony in that post is astounding.

Lets look at the last 15 years.

The US invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11, couldn't find the alleged perpetrator but occupied the country for a decade anyway.

Invaded Iraq because they had "weapons of mass destructions" , didn't find any WMDs admitted they never existed, occupied the country for nearly a decade, upshot- country is in civil war with ISIS controlling large chunks of it.

Bombed the Libyan regime out of power, "to save the Libyan people"  . that country is still in a state of civil war 4 years later.

Armed and funded 'moderate' rebels to wage a civil war in Syria(to save the Syrian people), upshot of that ISIS now control large chunks of Syria.

Still bombing Iraq and Syria.

And you think it's muslims that have a monopoly on creating war and murder?  

Frightening!  ???


Would you rather live in the US or Western Europe or in an Islamic country?

The rest has been explained in detail in the exchange between OMR and myself. But again, it goes into some detail therefore may be a bit over your head.

Being a Muslim  sympathizer is getting us killed.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2015, 07:14:49 AM »
Dude, you need to stop harshing on pellius' low-rent demagoguery.

As you sit back on your high horse always passing judgement on others but never your own thoughts and/or solutions.

Fence-sitting bench warmer.

BTW, lol @ "dude". A balding, flaccid middle age man with a saggy pouch trying to be hip.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2015, 07:24:15 AM »
Would you rather live in the US or Western Europe or in an Islamic country?

The rest has been explained in detail in the exchange between OMR and myself. But again, it goes into some detail therefore may be a bit over your head.

Being a Muslim  sympathizer is getting us killed.

Pellius in terms of world affairs/politics nothing you've got to say would go over the average 4 year old's head. That is clear from the rubbish you're posting here.
 
Your government keeps bombing/invading muslim countries causing relatively stable nations to spiral into civil war, and you interpret this as being "muslim sympathisers"

The scary thing is your ridiculously skewed perception is probably not even rare amongst americans.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2015, 07:43:05 AM »
The number of Muslims coming into Christian countries has to be controlled. This is the Bottom line. Why do they want to come into our Lands anyway? Has anyone really thought about this? Is it to spread their faith or for Freedom of sexuality and speech?

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2015, 07:59:22 AM »
Guess it wasn't so crazy when Carter( as president) banned any Iranians from entering the country( and tried to deport all Iranians on student visas) during the Iran Hostage crisis! But then he's immune to criticism as he was a democrat