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Like, I cant eat pork or ill go to hell for an eternity but if I blow up a load of people who dare not believe the same as me I go to heaven?
Also my hero liked raping 9 year old girls.
Or what about two fucking penguins walked from Antartica to the middle east to get into a big wooden boat?
Just 3of many examples.
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People who do question it often end up agnostics or atheists.
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I was brainwashed as a kid by Catholism. Realised when I was about 13 what a load of shit it was. My poor Aunt still lives by the Bible. Nice woman but so naïve. Oh well at least shes not murdering innocent people who don't share her beliefs like some others out there.
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We are all brainwashed and conditioned by circumstance. Don't think that you are somehow not affected by conditioning. Society and media for example brainwashes us constantly.
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Or what about two fucking penguins walked from Antartica to the middle east to get into a big wooden boat?
This is some of the funniest shit I've read all day!
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Why would you question your religion, which ypu have adopted for comforting reasons.. ???
Like you would question your possessions like your laptop or car because they don't make you happy, ypu should throw them out? No, they give you drug like effects so you do not.
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We are all brainwashed and conditioned by circumstance. Don't think that you are somehow not affected by conditioning. Society and media for example brainwashes us constantly.
Only Getbig affects my thinking. No Homo.
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Like you would question your possessions like your laptop or car because they don't make you happy, ypu should throw them out?
I've thrown out a laptop because it kept locking up on me.
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Conditioning - big factor. But overall - religious people are people who feel weak. Religion helps them to not get into a desperation/depression. If you'd have a chance to dig deeper in seriously religious persons mind, most of the time you'd find out that they had a depression some time in the past, or have currently. Religion probably is a better solution than alcohol/drugs or antidepressants. It's a way to get that "buzz", that artificial feeling of "joy" and "happiness" even when real life shows different. Many (most?) people are more or less religious, it simply means that most people are weak and need "something" (imaginary friend) to feel safer, stronger, more "sure" about their state of being.
Questioning a belief system that enables you to somewhat feel calmer (when you feel miserable otherwise) is a difficult thing to do. Alcoholics doesn't question their drinking habits, because they intuitively feel that these habbits keep them at "calm" and "comfort" and if stopped - reality sets in, sometimes very harsh, and much effort needs to be put in to make it bearable, it's a lot more simple to stay intoxicated/believing in god or whatever other fuck ppl believe in
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I've thrown out a laptop because it kept locking up on me.
:D It sort of makes sense because it didn't give you the serotin release you craved
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Why would you question your religion, which ypu have adopted for comforting reasons.. ???
Like you would question your possessions like your laptop or car because they don't make you happy, ypu should throw them out? No, they give you drug like effects so you do not.
Everything we do is a drug, to drug ourselves for comfort, to suppress the knowledge that we will die and that there is no grand purpose. Whether religion, ideology, any entertainment, drugs or militant sobriety, even training. All to distract and numb our brains.
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Everything we do is a drug, to drug ourselves for comfort, to suppress the knowledge that we will die and that there is no grand purpose. Whether religion, ideology, any entertainment, drugs or militant sobriety, even training. All to distract and numb our brains.
Yes, drug driven we are
So it really is no wonder some do drugs, some pray or whatever shit you do
It's really an unfair compliment to pressume people have a deep intellectual reasoning behind their hobbys and habits
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Immaculate conception, magic man in the sky, talking snakes, rise from the dead after 3 days, parting the red sea, giant boat with 2 of everything, on and on and on...
Funniest fiction book I ever read...
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Immaculate conception, magic man in the sky, talking snakes, rise from the dead after 3 days, parting the red sea, giant boat with 2 of everything, on and on and on...
Funniest fiction book I ever read...
Whoever wrote it must ve been on some awesome drugs!
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Total joke. Mankind's pathetic. Scared of his own mortality. Like, What, me, die?! Outrageous ego coupled with paralyzing fear.
It is 2016 and billions still clinging to fairy tales.
Having said all this, I HATE Islam with a ferocious intensity. Pure vile and wretched religion/ideology. At every opportunity it needs to be mocked, criticized and degraded. Its homicidal god and murdering pedo prophet is the very definition of spiritual filth.
Allah-baba and Mohamed can lick my wang into eternity.
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I was brainwashed as a kid by Catholism. Realised when I was about 13 what a load of shit it was. My poor Aunt still lives by the Bible. Nice woman but so naïve. Oh well at least shes not murdering innocent people who don't share her beliefs like some others out there.
So, you have a lot of anger and guilt built up?
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Overall I think religious folks make better neighbors. Good church going folks (or synagogue or mosque) tend to live their lives properly, taking care of their kids and handling their own business. Maybe they need religion because they are weak, but I'd rather have those types than the types that use booze or drugs for their weakness.
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Faith gives hope. The reality of man often makes people vomit. I can accept the pain of what is now when I have the hope of better. What Jesus taught is worthy of belief.
I don't force others to wear the same shoes as I or any shoes for that matter. I despise false prophets (more profits) and ministers, lay people, what have you, be they faux christians or the something else. Islam sucks, period. One of the finest people I have known in my life was an Atheist and he was not an ass about it.
I have no problem questioning my faith and often do so to the OP I say this. Get over it.
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I was raised Roman Catholic and then in my 20s was wakened to its, and all religious beliefs, absurdity.
I have never been drunk, smoked a cigarette or used recreational drugs. I require no crutch.
We live. We die. That's it. I do not find this reality depressing or troubling. On the contrary, I find my mortality and the pointlessness of my existence to be extraordinarily liberating. Because I can't redirect blame or find comfort in some fairy tale entity to "wash" my sins, I take absolute ownership of my actions. I treat others with kindness (where earned), knowing they're suffering in the general same ways as am I.
Nothing is going to "save me". I try my damndest to live with dignity, honour and grace, and I experience happiness pursuing those hobbies in which I have found vitality and energy.
Religion is for the egotistical/weak/idiotic. Same goes for alcohol (in excess), recreational drugs and meanness towards others who are decent, caring and self aware.
To those who are cruel, needlessly violent and/or problematic, I hope a quick and cheap death. No feelings of remorse.
Humans inherently have no worth. An individual EARNS his worth, over time.
And, oh, yeah, Islam can fuck itself right to hell (a fictional place, of course).
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Religion is just like Protein Powders (or other supplements, or amount of protein needed)
People are too scared not to use it or believe in it just in case. What if they don't!!!!
Bodybuilding related.
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I follow my religion blindly. No questions asked. No investigation or proactivity.
Any doubts that might enter my small mind I just suppress as hard as possible while I clinch my fists, grit my teeth and shut my eyes tight.
After all, it's about remaining a bleating sheep following an invisible, imaginary shepherd because I'm weak, needing of a daddy and afraid of death.
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I know I'll never change people's minds so I never start anything with religious folks, besudes most are pleasant people, who am I to tell them any different anyways?
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I follow my religion blindly. No questions asked. No investigation or proactivity.
Any doubts that might enter my small mind I just suppress as hard as possible while I clinch my fists, grit my teeth and shut my eyes tight.
After all, it's about remaining a bleating sheep following an invisible, imaginary shepherd because I'm weak, needing of a daddy and afraid of death.
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
Totally and smashed three keyboards to boot.
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I'm middle aged now been through the basic growing stages that most of us go through. Now have a firm sense of who I am and what I'm about. Not scared of death, pointless; but fear having no real meaning to life. And largely because that is one of those imponderables whenever I start to over think that kind of stuff I know that I just am not busy enough with my own stuff in life. Which means I take the opportunity to go outside of my comfort zone, outside of me and my life, and try to help out others as much as I can. Doesn't necessarily give me meaning to life but keeps me productively occupied and simply helping others. All I know thus far in my journey is that life is short, it's a one time ride - and it is completely up to you to make the most of it. There arfe some religious peeps who are great people - if being religious helps them and others and doesn't hurt anyone then cool. But the moment that line is crossed and it interferes or hurts others intentionally or unintentionally - then I be a god (with actual power to do something unlike all the bullshit sky fairies) and you shall incur my wrath.
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It's foolish to say that religion is for the weak of mind. All habits and beliefs that a child is conditioned to believe and accept can be difficult to shed, especially if those habits and beliefs were strongly enforced at an early age and with great consistency. It usually takes a certain degree of travel, exposure to others and a high degree of intelligence coupled with an open-mindedness to deviate from those habits and beliefs. Making fun of those who have been brainwashed is no different than making fun of the fat kid: It makes you feel better about yourself but does little to shed light on others.
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I follow my religion blindly. No questions asked. No investigation or proactivity.
Any doubts that might enter my small mind I just suppress as hard as possible while I clinch my fists, grit my teeth and shut my eyes tight.
After all, it's about remaining a bleating sheep following an invisible, imaginary shepherd because I'm weak, needing of a daddy and afraid of death.
You're pretty much a regular alcoholic just drunk on religious bullshit.
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You're pretty much a regular alcoholic just drunk on religious bullshit.
This. MOS has said that no matter what evidence arises, even if it disproves the existence of a God, he will continue to believe. How is this virtuous? To believe in a lie? This is pure brainwashing.
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Like, I cant eat pork or ill go to hell for an eternity but if I blow up a load of people who dare not believe the same as me I go to heaven?
Also my hero liked raping 9 year old girls.
Or what about two fucking penguins walked from Antartica to the middle east to get into a big wooden boat?
Just 3of many examples.
welcome to reality
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You can learn about false religions and cults here:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?s=75d08f6ff6f1fbc9d2d1cd5cfa36ca4a&t=114
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You're pretty much a regular alcoholic just drunk on religious bullshit.
Absolutely. Pretty much a heroine addict high on Jesus Christ nonsense.
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is not doubt the spiritual foundation of faith ?
No, it's still Jesus Christ.
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Like, I cant eat pork or ill go to hell for an eternity but if I blow up a load of people who dare not believe the same as me I go to heaven?
Also my hero liked raping 9 year old girls.
Or what about two fucking penguins walked from Antartica to the middle east to get into a big wooden boat?
Just 3of many examples.
Thats the purpose of religion. Let go everything and start believe what someone tell you! Making life much more easy! EVery question u have , there is an answer in religion! Religion is great, without it the world would colapps bcz majority of the people would lose hope and give up!
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Thats the purpose of religion. Let go everything and start believe what someone tell you! Making life much more easy! EVery question u have , there is an answer in religion! Religion is great, without it the world would colapps bcz majority of the people would lose hope and give up!
Bingo!! Turn your brain off....thinking is not required. Left! Right! Left! Right! Become a mindless drone and follow the lead of the religious "they".
Keep on marching, eyes shut, and eventually you'll reach that security blanket where death isn't real, invisible daddy loves you, myths are real and you're weakness is welcome! 8)
And if anyone outside that religion questions you either curse them, enslave them, kill them or all of the above. >:(
GOOOOOOOOOOOO RELIGION!!
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MOS melting down like never before.
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Question for Christians: Do you acknowledge you didn't necessarily choose your religion? As your parents and theirs before them (and so on) didn't choose theirs? As kids, anyway, when it becomes engrained and much more difficult to change allegiance.
So, can we further acknowledge Constantine the Great pretty much decided centuries ago who the West would worship?
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Religion makes more sense than IFBB judging yet we all blindly go along with that.
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MOS melting down like never before.
Yep, like a nuclear reactor.
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Gotta love Christopher Hitchens. R.I.P.
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Translation: I answered all his unanswerable questions and called him out on the angle he was working and told him I was now "meh".
He then resorted to claiming meltdown which I deleted and told him I deleted. He wanted more of me so I still provided a couple more lengthy respones all immediately followed up with his replies beginning with things like "nonsense" and "can't believe you'd resort to that". So I told him I was through. SF came along with his pom-poms and gas can to do his normal troll bit in between....didn't really read any of it. Both basically said I was defeated and butthurt. I showed them in scripture how they can't discern things of the spirit. They're now mocking that.
Demented stuff. ;D
MOS, you know I like you, but deleting people's posts should only be a last resort, and only if it is violating rules.
Trolling or saying "meltdown" hardly qualifies imo.
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Question for Christians: Do you acknowledge you didn't necessarily choose your religion? As your parents and theirs before them (and so on) didn't choose theirs? As kids, anyway, when it becomes engrained and much more difficult to change allegiance.
So, can we further acknowledge Constantine the Great pretty much decided centuries ago who the West would worship?
I was raised in a Christian home and was fully brainwashed influenced by my family.
In my 20s I walked away from that influence and faith. At 35 was the first time I truly began to believe and live out my faith.
Not sure what you mean regarding Constantine. Need a bit of clarification if you don't mind.
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That's nothing lol, you should see him going apeshit in the religion board. He went absolutely fucking psycho on me for no reason!
It must be very uncomfortable when someone makes you doubt your deep rooted beliefes that enable you to stay in that "buzzed" state. Have you ever seen a drug addict being restricted of his fix? Similar thing.
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I was raised in a Christian home and was fully brainwashed influenced by my family.
In my 20s I walked away from that influence and faith. At 35 was the first time I truly began to believe and live out my faith.
Not sure what you mean regarding Constantine. Need a bit of clarification if you don't mind.
Come on... I had you pegged as gullible, but certainly not stupid or ill informed. Constantine the Great was the Roman emperor who stopped the persecution of christians. In a hypothetical where all other things would have been equal, you would have been born into a pagan religion, most likely celtic. And you would have been just as staunch in your faith as you are now. How do you reconcile that? Apart from claiming you would have discovered the 'real' truth by yourself, going against everything you have ever known and been indoctrinated in by family, school etc., and even though christianity in that hypothetical history may very well have been wiped out or be radically different from what we know today.
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I was raised in a Christian home and was fully brainwashed influenced by my family.
In my 20s I walked away from that influence and faith. At 35 was the first time I truly began to believe and live out my faith.
Not sure what you mean regarding Constantine. Need a bit of clarification if you don't mind.
What exactly did happen at 35 that made you feel desperate and weak, scared/etc? Or was it a gradual process of feeling weaker and weaker/not being able to deal with lifes challenges until a point where you had to make a choice - a suicide/alcoholism or indulging into a religion to feel at ease a bit?
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Come on... I had you pegged as gullible, but certainly not stupid or ill informed. Constantine the Great was the Roman emperor who stopped the persecution of christians. In a hypothetical where all other things would have been equal, you would have been born into a pagan religion, most likely celtic. And you would have been just as staunch in your faith as you are now. How do you reconcile that? Apart from claiming you would have discovered the 'real' truth by yourself, going against everything you have ever known and been indoctrinated in by family, school etc., and even though christianity in that hypothetical history may very well have been wiped out or be radically different from what we know today.
I fully understand the claim that "you were born here so that's why you're a [insert whatever]."
I completely understand who Constantine is and the history therein.
I was asking for Ugly to clarify what he meant....expound just a bit. Didn't know if he had a specific point or if it was more general.
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What exactly did happen at 35 that made you feel desperate and weak, scared/etc? Or was it a gradual process of feeling weaker and weaker/not being able to deal with lifes challenges until a point where you had to make a choice - a suicide/alcoholism or indulging into a religion to feel at ease a bit?
I'm guessing it is the second option. That seems to be the case with a lot of people around me. They feel strong and self-reliant in their late teens and early twenties, then slowly the self doubt and depression set in once they take on responsibilities. With the obvious and much-touted question being a variant on "is this really all there is to life/being/etc.?". In short: realisation of their own mortality and futility.
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I fully understand the claim that "you were born here so that's why you're a [insert whatever]."
I completely understand who Constantine is. I was asking for Ugly to clarify what he meant....expound just a bit. Didn't know if he had a specific point or if it was more general.
So you just want to avoid answering. Then just say that.
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Most people are born into it. Parents are the issue. They don't let their kids choose for themselves but force them to church at a young age to let the brainwashing begin.
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So you just want to avoid answering. Then just say that.
I asked for a bit of clarification in order to better answer his question. I respect and care about The Ugly a great deal.....he knows this though.
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Overall I think religious folks make better neighbors. Good church going folks (or synagogue or mosque) tend to live their lives properly, taking care of their kids and handling their own business. Maybe they need religion because they are weak, but I'd rather have those types than the types that use booze or drugs for their weakness.
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In many cases, it's the same people..
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What exactly did happen at 35 that made you feel desperate and weak, scared/etc? Or was it a gradual process of feeling weaker and weaker/not being able to deal with lifes challenges until a point where you had to make a choice - a suicide/alcoholism or indulging into a religion to feel at ease a bit?
I have posted my testimony in the thread at the following:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=574639.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=574639.0)
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This is why religion is so dangerous. People brainwashed with fairy tales and the absolute belief that their version of a sky god is the correct one cannot think rationally nor have the freedom of mind to see just how ridiculous it is to worship gods in 2016.
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This is why religion is so dangerous. People brainwashed with fairy tales and the absolute belief that their version of a sky god is the correct one cannot think rationally nor have the freedom of mind to see just how ridiculous it is to worship gods in 2016.
Folks said this same thing when I was a kid in the 80s. They said it during the Civil War era. They said it a thousand years prior to that. Every generation or era claims to be intellectually superior, morally superior and generally more refined than everything that came before it. In 30 years or 100 years from now anti-God folks will say this same thing "it's 2046...." or "it's 2116.....".
Although I firmly believe that at some point in the next 50 years religion will probably become outlawed by the adult generation made up of our children and grandchildren. Trust me, to love Jesus Christ, live like Jesus and spread his gospel will eventually become an offense worthy of death worldwide.
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I have posted my testimony in the thread at the following:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=574639.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=574639.0)
During my mid 20s and early 30s I became very angry, very cynical, very moody, often depressed, began watching pornography frequently, began lashing out at family and friends…..I was a mean person. I never thought of God on my own. I never sought God. I just remained bitter, angry, depressed and often with a desire for violent behavior. I hated my life and I occasionally thought of ending my marriage or my life.
Lol... even without reading this I knew it's the same story all over again. So predictable, so repetitive.
Every single word screams "I am a weak animal". And I say this not to offend you, just as an example of how "religion happens". What was a "holly spirit" in that hospital was just your psyche tyring to not overheat, it would've very well been a bottle of whiskey, but you didn't do that (or was tired of it, idk) so it had to find another way to "calm down". Human mind is a powerful tool, it can create, it can break. Creating STATES is one of the things it does best. People can literally feel "drunk" if they think they drink alcohol (even if it's not), the same with religion - intoxication by these magical thoughts, feeling and all that jazz. You've not told anything new with that testimonial, it's pretty much identical to every deeply religious person I've ever met.
You are weak, first and foremost, and can't handle that, that's the main and probably only reason you are religious (to calm down yourself, to smoke a joint, just in a sense of prayer/"love of god"). Humans are ridiculous.
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During my mid 20s and early 30s I became very angry, very cynical, very moody, often depressed, began watching pornography frequently, began lashing out at family and friends…..I was a mean person. I never thought of God on my own. I never sought God. I just remained bitter, angry, depressed and often with a desire for violent behavior. I hated my life and I occasionally thought of ending my marriage or my life.
Lol... even without reading this I knew it's the same story all over again. So predictable, so repetitive.
Every single word screams "I am a weak animal". And I say this not to offend you, just as an example of how "religion happens". What was a "holly spirit" in that hospital was just your psyche tyring to not overheat, it would've very well been a bottle of whiskey, but you didn't do that (or was tired of it, idk) so it had to find another way to "calm down". Human mind is a powerful tool, it can create, it can break. Creating STATES is one of the things it does best. People can literally feel "drunk" if they think they drink alcohol (even if it's not), the same with religion - intoxication by these magical thoughts, feeling and all that jazz. You've not told anything new with that testimonial, it's pretty much identical to every deeply religious person I've ever met.
You are weak, first and foremost, and can't handle that, that's the main and probably only reason you are religious (to calm down yourself, to smoke a joint, just in a sense of prayer/"love of god"). Humans are ridiculous.
I would suspect that the the same chemicals that get released during drug intake, are the same chemicals that get released during prayer. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with this, but all activities (drug use, exercise, prayer, meditation, yoga) are directly related to chemicals in the brain, i.e., when we perform these activities, certain chemicals in our brain are being released and making us feel good. Prayer is no different. Science has already shown that during moments of deep meditation or prayer, there are chemical changes in the brain.
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I would suspect that the the same chemicals that get released during drug intake, are the same chemicals that get released during prayer. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with this, but all activities (drug use, exercise, prayer, meditation, yoga) are directly related to chemicals in the brain, i.e., when we perform these activities, certain chemicals in our brain are being released and making us feel good. Prayer is no different. Science has already shown that during moments of deep meditation or prayer, there are chemical changes in the brain.
I guess that's pretty much true. And I'd say being religious is a lot better alternative than being alcoholic, on antidepressants or using heroin. Most religious people are not dangerous tho', they are weak and searching for a relief, pretty much it. I have a few deeply religious friends, they are very good people, probably better human beings than me in some sense, but... weak, thus not very happy/frustrated most of the time.
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I guess that's pretty much true. And I'd say being religious is a lot better alternative than being alcoholic, on antidepressants or using heroin. Most religious people are not dangerous tho', they are weak and searching for a relief, pretty much it. I have a few deeply religious friends, they are very good people, probably better human beings than me in some sense, but... weak, thus not very happy/frustrated most of the time.
I was agreeing with you. Religion releases certain chemicals in the brain, which make you feel good. The same thing with drugs. Both are engaging in a behavior to feel good; both behaviors (drug use and prayer) release chemicals in the brain associated with "good feelings." Obviously, prayer is A LOT better than drug use. However, both attempt to elicit the same feeling, but just by different means. Its tough to deal with reality.
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I would suspect that the the same chemicals that get released during drug intake, are the same chemicals that get released during prayer. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with this, but all activities (drug use, exercise, prayer, meditation, yoga) are directly related to chemicals in the brain, i.e., when we perform these activities, certain chemicals in our brain are being released and making us feel good. Prayer is no different. Science has already shown that during moments of deep meditation or prayer, there are chemical changes in the brain.
Exactly, I would suggest it's even worse with religious, or better, most meditation isn't based on the assumption you are talking directly to god, believing that truly must magnify the brain's response.
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Exactly, I would suggest it's even worse with religious, or better, most meditation isn't based on the assumption you are talking directly to god, believing that truly must magnify the brain's response.
Exactly.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104310443
Scientists are making the first attempts to understand spiritual experience — and what happens in the brains and bodies of people who believe they connect with the divine.
The field is called "neurotheology," and although it is new, it's drawing prominent researchers in the U.S. and Canada. Scientists have found that the brains of people who spend untold hours in prayer and meditation are different.
I met Scott McDermott five years ago, while covering a Pentecostal revival meeting in Toronto. It was pandemonium. People were speaking in tongues and barking like dogs. I thought, "What is a United Methodist minister, with a Ph.D. in New Testament theology, doing here?"
Then McDermott told me about a vision he had had years earlier.
"I saw fire dancing on my eyelids," he recalled, staring into the middle distance. "I felt God say to me, 'You be the oil, and I'll be the flame.' Then began to feel waves of the Spirit flow through my body."
I never forgot McDermott. When I heard that scientists were studying the brains of people who spent countless hours in prayer and meditation, I thought, "I've got to see what's going on in Scott McDermott's head."
Focusing Affects Reality
A few years later, Andrew Newberg made that possible. Newberg is a neuroscientist at the University of Pennsylvania and author of several books, including How God Changes Your Brain. He has been scanning the brains of religious people like McDermott for more than a decade.
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I was agreeing with you. Religion releases certain chemicals in the brain, which make you feel good. The same thing with drugs. Both are engaging in a behavior to feel good; both behaviors (drug use and prayer) release chemicals in the brain associated with "good feelings." Obviously, prayer is A LOT better than drug use. However, both attempt to elicit the same feeling, but just by different means. Its tough to deal with reality.
Not much choice sometimes. As you can read in MOS "testimonial" he was on a brink of a suicide. It's usualy either that, alcohol, antidepressants or religion. I understand why it is basically impossible to let go of these beliefs for these people. Their state of being is in question. They've been "drugging" themselves with these thoughts, but rarely solving the real issues (and they often are not solvable), if you remove the religion - they are back to the hell. A difficult situation. Religion keeps masses somewhat sane/in order. I used to be very anti-religion, but currently I think it's somewhat good for society. If not religion - few of my friends would be either dead now or bums already.
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We're all brainwashed to some extent, doesn't have to be religion.
Getbiggers are all brainwashed by oiled up men in thongs.
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During my mid 20s and early 30s I became very angry, very cynical, very moody, often depressed, began watching pornography frequently, began lashing out at family and friends…..I was a mean person. I never thought of God on my own. I never sought God. I just remained bitter, angry, depressed and often with a desire for violent behavior. I hated my life and I occasionally thought of ending my marriage or my life.
Lol... even without reading this I knew it's the same story all over again. So predictable, so repetitive.
Every single word screams "I am a weak animal". And I say this not to offend you, just as an example of how "religion happens". What was a "holly spirit" in that hospital was just your psyche tyring to not overheat, it would've very well been a bottle of whiskey, but you didn't do that (or was tired of it, idk) so it had to find another way to "calm down". Human mind is a powerful tool, it can create, it can break. Creating STATES is one of the things it does best. People can literally feel "drunk" if they think they drink alcohol (even if it's not), the same with religion - intoxication by these magical thoughts, feeling and all that jazz. You've not told anything new with that testimonial, it's pretty much identical to every deeply religious person I've ever met.
You are weak, first and foremost, and can't handle that, that's the main and probably only reason you are religious (to calm down yourself, to smoke a joint, just in a sense of prayer/"love of god"). Humans are ridiculous.
I appreciate your evaluation of my testimony. I don't know what "your psyche tyring to not overheat" or "intoxication by these magical thoughts" means, but that's ok. :)
Great news is I'm no longer a weak person. I have strength and confidence in Jesus Christ now. Feel wonderful actually....never better.
Now I'll will give you another link to consider:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=585299.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=585299.0)
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I'd prefer the religious masses just abandon the fairy dust magic and allow their weaknesses and fears dictate their fate.
Religion must be deteriorated if our species is to not only progress but ultimately survive.
As was stated, MOS's testimonial reads like those of countless millions of other religious bangers. Belief in sky gods and that you've established some communication with an all-powerful entity provides a massive leap towards hope that your existence matters for something.
I cannot understand why the knowledge that we're not alive for any greater purpose than just living is so horrible to some people. That when we die, we're dead. Period.
What ego to not be able to accept our relative worthlessness.
And I know the next question. Then why be a decent person? Because being a decent person is its own reward. We're all on this train to oblivion. It's best to treat others with the same sympathies you yourself deserve.
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I appreciate your evaluation of my testimony. I don't know what "your psyche tyring to not overheat" or "intoxication by these magical thoughts" means, but that's ok. :)
Great news is I'm no longer a weak person. I have strength and confidence in Jesus Christ now. Feel wonderful actually....never better.
You know exactly what he means.
And your response does nothing but proves what we're all saying. You're drunk with belief in fairy tales. It's the elixir that enables you to soldier on. Without it, you're lost and inconsolable.
Being delusional and brainwashed is not strength.
You're a weak man with a security blanket to provide you a bare minimum of comfort.
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Overall I think religious folks make better neighbors. Good church going folks (or synagogue or mosque) tend to live their lives properly, taking care of their kids and handling their own business. Maybe they need religion because they are weak, but I'd rather have those types than the types that use booze or drugs for their weakness.
exactly i bet the retards here want weed addicted drug using neighbors next thing u know they askin forr money ,steal ect
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I'd prefer the religious masses just abandon the fairy dust magic and allow their weaknesses and fears dictate their fate.
Religion must be deteriorated if our species is to not only progress but ultimately survive.
As was stated, MOS's testimonial reads like those of countless millions of other religious bangers. Belief in sky gods and that you've established some communication with an all-powerful entity provides a massive leap towards hope that your existence matters for something.
I cannot understand why the knowledge that we're not alive for any greater purpose than just living is so horrible to some people. That when we die, we're dead. Period.
What ego to not be able to accept our relative worthlessness.
And I know the next question. Then why be a decent person? Because being a decent person is its own reward. We're all on this train to oblivion. It's best to treat others with the same sympathies you yourself deserve.
Why is it that people at their weakest, that hit rock bottom, often find Jesus?
Like me, they run headfirst into him because in his grace that's where he waits on us. Jesus is the rock....our foundation....the cornerstone.
The tangible revelation of his reality in my life changed me forever and I will never deny him and will encourage others to seek him.
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You know exactly what he means.
And your response does nothing but proves what we're all saying. You're drunk with belief in fairy tales. It's the elixir that enables you to soldier on. Without it, you're lost and inconsolable.
Being delusional and brainwashed is not strength.
You're a weak man with a security blanket to provide you a bare minimum of comfort.
Exactly. MOS is twisting his words around.
Interestingly enough, I knew someone who was in a worse spot than MOS. He was an atheist. And is currently an atheist. Never relied on religion to pull himself back up. Relied on himself and a good support system. Some people need the clutch like MOS, and others do not.
Even when I was going through some scary medical stuff, I never prayed, and never looked toward religion. Again, some people need the crutch, and others do not. It definitely says something about personality differences.
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You know exactly what he means.
And your response does nothing but proves what we're all saying. You're drunk with belief in fairy tales. It's the elixir that enables you to soldier on. Without it, you're lost and inconsolable.
Being delusional and brainwashed is not strength.
You're a weak man with a security blanket to provide you a bare minimum of comfort.
Actually I don't know he means in those circumstances. A "psyche overheating" or "magic intoxication".....sorry, never heard/read those expressions. Hopefully he can clarify.
Praise God you are exactly correct!! Without God I am absolutely lost!! And without him I am a weak man and in him he makes me strong!! I give him the glory!!
I thank the Lord daily for the instant change he brought to my life which I did not deserve.
I am neither ashamed of Jesus Christ (or the scriptures) nor do I deny my individual weakness and need for a Savior because of my sin.
Come to him in surrender today. Humble yourself before him and repent of your sin. Accept him as Lord and Savior and be made anew with eyes made clear and a soul made righteous in him.
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Actually I don't know he means in those circumstances. A "psyche overheating" or "magic intoxication".....sorry, never heard/read those expressions. Hopefully he can clarify.
Praise God you are exactly correct!! Without God I am absolutely lost!! And without him I am a weak man and in him he makes me strong!! I give him the glory!!
I thank the Lord daily for the instant change he brought to my life which I did not deserve.
I am neither ashamed of Jesus Christ (or the scriptures) nor do I deny my individual weakness and need for a Savior because of my sin.
Come to him in surrender today. Humble yourself before him and repent of your sin. Accept him as Lord and Savior and be made anew with eyes made clear and a soul made righteous in him.
You're very ill.
But you won't recognize and acknowledge this, because you're ... ill.
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I was raised in a Christian home and was fully brainwashed influenced by my family.
In my 20s I walked away from that influence and faith. At 35 was the first time I truly began to believe and live out my faith.
Not sure what you mean regarding Constantine. Need a bit of clarification if you don't mind.
To the extent that he decriminalized it, converted, and directly/indirectly made it Rome's go-to (official?) religion. Modern world's ground zero, as Rome does ...
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I think the only real answer is terrorist action against religion. Start blowing up Churches, Mosques, Synagogues etc regardless of the domination, just target religion in general and this will start making folks think twice about where they go on Sunday or when they hear call to prayer etc etc. Religious fuckers have made the average man's life more dangerous anywhere he goes, why can't we return the favour. Religion just needs to be seen like any other fascist movement or organization, a danger to civilised societies everywhere and needs to be attacked and defeated.
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To the extent that he decriminalized it, converted, and directly/indirectly made it Rome's go-to (official?) religion. Modern world's ground zero, as Rome does ...
Gotcha. Yes Constantine certainly helped pave the way for Christianity and the early organized church of Rome. After centuries of persecution Christians finally had a advocate in him. It was Constantine that was responsible for establishing the Council of Nicea so I would definitely agree he helped shape the predominance of Christianity in the West today.
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You're very ill.
But you won't recognize and acknowledge this, because you're ... ill.
It's unfortunate you feel that way, but I've been called far worse by many others.
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Lots of good points made in this thread
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I appreciate your evaluation of my testimony. I don't know what "your psyche tyring to not overheat" or "intoxication by these magical thoughts" means, but that's ok. :)
Great news is I'm no longer a weak person. I have strength and confidence in Jesus Christ now. Feel wonderful actually....never better.
Now I'll will give you another link to consider:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=585299.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=585299.0)
Have you solved real life issues? If so - why didn't you do that without imaginary friend? It makes no sense. What exactly have made you "strong"? People who are buzzed from alcohol for ex. feel like they finally have no issues too, but that's not the case when it comes to a factual reality.
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Have you solved real life issues? If so - why didn't you do that without imaginary friend? It makes no sense. What exactly have made you "strong"? People who are buzzed from alcohol for ex. feel like they finally have no issues too, but that's not the case when it comes to a factual reality.
Yes, I have solved real life issues. What other issues are there but real life issues?
In my day-to-day I simply function in accordance with the Lord's will for my life. I attempt to represent him in all that I do and say.
The Holy Spirit of God that now lives within me as a believer in Jesus Christ has delivered me from fear, anxiety, jealousy, bitterness, depression, etc.... and brings about joy, happiness, compassion and strength in my soul. It literally pours out of me. I have good days and bad like everyone, but my response to both today is different than it was without Christ. Today my bad days really aren't that bad anymore....just opportunities to abide by his will and draw closer to him.
Fact is Christ is the reason my life has improved leaps and bounds and I give him the glory and take no credit for myself. I want others to come to the same understanding and relationship with Christ. Be made free from sin and the trappings of this world and enjoy the glory that is his righteousness. I believe a lot you men to be good men and I don't want to see any of separated from God for eternity in hell.
I hope that helps you understand my perspective a bit more.
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Why is it that people at their weakest, that hit rock bottom, often find Jesus?
Like me, they run headfirst into him because in his grace that's where he waits on us. Jesus is the rock....our foundation....the cornerstone.
The tangible revelation of his reality in my life changed me forever and I will never deny him and will encourage others to seek him.
One of my religious friends once said "If you'd face death - you'd know what I mean, what faith is.", and I answered him "I did face death, twice, it was very close and you know what? The last thing I thought about was god and my calm and rational mind and fast thinking saved me from death, NOT god.", he had a blank stare for a while and changed the topic.
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One of my religious friends once said "If you'd face death - you'd know what I mean, what faith is.", and I answered him "I did face death, twice, it was very close and you know what? The last thing I thought about was god and my calm and rational mind and fast thinking saved me from death, NOT god.", he had a blank stare for a while and changed the topic.
You can overcome all sorts of things in life - including escaping death - and remain completely Godless the entire time. I'm glad to hear you are alive and well and have learned from your experiences.
What you can't do on your own is atone for your sins and be made righteous before God the Father. It's only through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, that we can be made right before God and sanctified for his good and will purposes in our lives. There is no eternity with God without Jesus Christ....there is only eternal separation from him based upon your choice to reject him.
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Exactly. MOS is twisting his words around.
Interestingly enough, I knew someone who was in a worse spot than MOS. He was an atheist. And is currently an atheist. Never relied on religion to pull himself back up. Relied on himself and a good support system. Some people need the clutch like MOS, and others do not.
Even when I was going through some scary medical stuff, I never prayed, and never looked toward religion. Again, some people need the crutch, and others do not. It definitely says something about personality differences.
This is how you weed out strong from the weak, simple as that. Life is often rough, merciless, unfair and only strong survive, the rest are doomed to indulge in alcohol, narcotics, andtideressants OR religion, to be able to sustain their somewhat sane mind and not off themselves.
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Actually I don't know he means in those circumstances. A "psyche overheating" or "magic intoxication".....sorry, never heard/read those expressions. Hopefully he can clarify.
When a person (animal) feels weak, constantly weak, not being able to control ones life - all of it's survival systems are sending signals that something is wrong, the survival is at stake, a prolonged state like this means a big confusion, depression, being miserable, scared, basically going out of your mind, thus... "overheating" would mean commiting a suicide by not being able to live in that hell anymore. Your "relief" came from religion, simple as that, it's funny to witness how you try to steer away from this understanding, but it's expected. Religion is a "weed for a soul".
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Yes, I have solved real life issues. What other issues are there but real life issues?
In my day-to-day I simply function in accordance with the Lord's will for my life. I attempt to represent him in all that I do and say.
The Holy Spirit of God that now lives within me as a believer in Jesus Christ has delivered me from fear, anxiety, jealousy, bitterness, depression, etc.... and brings about joy, happiness, compassion and strength in my soul. It literally pours out of me. I have good days and bad like everyone, but my response to both today is different than it was without Christ. Today my bad days really aren't that bad anymore....just opportunities to abide by his will and draw closer to him.
Fact is Christ is the reason my life has improved leaps and bounds and I give him the glory and take no credit for myself. I want others to come to the same understanding and relationship with Christ. Be made free from sin and the trappings of this world and enjoy the glory that is his righteousness. I believe a lot you men to be good men and I don't want to see any of separated from God for eternity in hell.
I hope that helps you understand my perspective a bit more.
Your mental stability is hanging by a thread. I fear you're quite close to a massive emotional and spiritual implosion. No one is as close to the edge as someone who spouts off like you do.
Explore a backup plan for when your god fails to deliver/your delusion hits a brick wall.
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You can overcome all sorts of things in life - including escaping death - and remain completely Godless the entire time. I'm glad to hear you are alive and well and have learned from your experiences.
What you can't do on your own is atone for your sins and be made righteous before God the Father. It's only through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, that we can be made right before God and sanctified for his good and will purposes in our lives. There is no eternity with God without Jesus Christ....there is only eternal separation from him based upon your choice to reject him.
I hope you realize that I don't have even slightest issue about not reaching the "eternity" or about my "sins". I literally don't care, when I die - I die, game over, lights out baby, I do not sweat that at all. Why are you afraid of death? There's nothing to be afraid about it, just "remember" the time you were still not here, was it all that bad?
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MOS may deny it, but doubt lies in even the most devout. I 100% believe he is sincere in his belief that Jesus is his savior, but that does not stop the constant battle between questioning/reassuring going on, in the back of his mind.
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Man of Steel has placed his bet for everyone to see (including God)
I respect him for that. I respect anyone who sticks by their convictions. If there is a God, he would respect that too.
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Gotcha. Yes Constantine certainly helped pave the way for Christianity and the early organized church of Rome. After centuries of persecution Christians finally had a advocate in him. It was Constantine that was responsible for establishing the Council of Nicea so I would definitely agree he helped shape the predominance of Christianity in the West today.
A bit more than an advocate. After this mongrel followed even kinder Christians like Justinian, Constantius II and Theodosius I.
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I think the only real answer is terrorist action against religion. Start blowing up Churches, Mosques, Synagogues etc regardless of the domination, just target religion in general and this will start making folks think twice about where they go on Sunday or when they hear call to prayer etc etc. Religious fuckers have made the average man's life more dangerous anywhere he goes, why can't we return the favour. Religion just needs to be seen like any other fascist movement or organization, a danger to civilised societies everywhere and needs to be attacked and defeated.
Won't work. You cannot kill ideology. Furthermore, it is the religions that want what you want---patriachial families. So, you want to wage war against those who agree with you?
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MOS may deny it, but doubt lies in even the most devout. I 100% believe he is sincere in his belief that Jesus is his savior, but that does not stop the constant battle between questioning/reassuring going on, in the back of his mind.
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Man of Steel has placed his bet for everyone to see (including God)
I respect him for that. I respect anyone who sticks by their convictions. If there is a God, he would respect that too.
The only reason he's actively participating in these religious sections and threads is because he obviously feels that it may be bullshit. Like "prove me wrong", then when someone does that, such a person refrains for a while, recollects himself back up and repeats the routine. It may be a rational mind trying to overtake the delusions in this subtle way. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it is numbed for ever.
I do not believe in god and I don't have any urge to participate in religious section for ex, because... I just honestly don't care, I've long ago realized that it's all smoke and mirrors and I rely solely on myself, no need for an external "force", sometimes I win, sometimes I fall hard, suffer, but for fucks sake - I'd be out of my mind if I'd try to seek "help" outside the physical world (which is all that matters). It's usualy a conditioning from a family or other weak people who influence a person at the right time. If there would've been appropriate strong influences for such a person (for ex. like I had) he/she would react to the challenges of life in a completely different way.
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The only reason he's actively participating in these religious sections and threads is because he obviously feels that it may be bullshit. Like "prove me wrong", then when someone does that, such a person refrains for a while, recollects himself back up and repeats the routine. It may be a rational mind trying to overtake the delusions in this subtle way. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it is numbed for ever.
I do not believe in god and I don't have any urge to participate in religious section for ex, because... I just honestly don't care, I've long ago realized that it's all smoke and mirrors and I rely solely on myself, no need for an external "force", sometimes I win, sometimes I fall hard, suffer, but for fucks sake - I'd be out of my mind if I'd try to seek "help" outside the physical world (which is all that matters). It's usualy a conditioning from a family or other weak people who influence a person at the right time. If there would've been appropriate strong influences for such a person (for ex. like I had) he/she would react to the challenges of life in a completely different way.
True, but the opposite also occurs. People who do not believe in organized religion (like myself) still ponder from time to time, "what is all of this here for?" Which is why I categorize myself as Agnostic. I do not believe humans were meant to solve the mysteries of the universe.
Science helps, but even that is still a guessing game, that constantly changes.
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True, but the opposite also occurs. people who do not believe in organized religion (like myself) still ponder from time to time, "what is all of this here for?" Which is why I categorize myself as Agnostic. I do not believe humans were meant to solve the mysteries of the universe.
Science helps, but even that is still a guessing game, that constantly changes.
I used to think about that, sometimes I still think, but in a romantic kind of way, like watching the stars at night you know, but overall I just said fuck it, it seems there really aren't any purpose, it just is, it must not have a purpose (it's our minds creation), I even think that humans may very well solve the "mysteries" and the funny thing is - if they will, then nothing is left to solve further. It's like a universe solving and experiencing itself, once you do all the math there is - it's over, no more math, because it exists in the same universe, it began in the same universe and it's somewhat "finite". Humans trying to solve the mysteries are actually an introspective of the universe, like a gigantic "mind", enrmous calculator/processor, based on 011001010100 type of code.
All that aside - I don't care. While I'm here - I just try to "level" in this survival game, to score points, bonuses, it's fun, we, humans, create video games of the same kind - going through checkpoints until it's over. Maybe we are in a game too, in an artificial AI that recreates itself indifinitelly, thus creating more and more "universes". That would be cool!
But god? Show me that fucker, I will ask him why the hell pharma grade GH is so damn expensive and I prayed for like ten years to make it cheap, TEN YEARS! Wrong god?? Fuck me then..
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When a person (animal) feels weak, constantly weak, not being able to control ones life - all of it's survival systems are sending signals that something is wrong, the survival is at stake, a prolonged state like this means a big confusion, depression, being miserable, scared, basically going out of your mind, thus... "overheating" would mean commiting a suicide by not being able to live in that hell anymore. Your "relief" came from religion, simple as that, it's funny to witness how you try to steer away from this understanding, but it's expected. Religion is a "weed for a soul".
Thanks for the clarification.
Actually my "relief" didn't come from the generic "religion". Religion in and of itself is basically nothing.
My hope, peace and joy came from Jesus Christ.
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MOS may deny it, but doubt lies in even the most devout. I 100% believe he is sincere in his belief that Jesus is his savior, but that does not stop the constant battle between questioning/reassuring going on, in the back of his mind.
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Man of Steel has placed his bet for everyone to see (including God)
I respect him for that. I respect anyone who sticks by their convictions. If there is a God, he would respect that too.
Thank you friend, I do my best to be truthful and sincere.
But, I do have full assurance in the heart of who Jesus Christ is and that I am eternally secure in him. I no longer have any doubt.
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The only reason he's actively participating in these religious sections and threads is because he obviously feels that it may be bullshit. Like "prove me wrong", then when someone does that, such a person refrains for a while, recollects himself back up and repeats the routine. It may be a rational mind trying to overtake the delusions in this subtle way. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it is numbed for ever.
I do not believe in god and I don't have any urge to participate in religious section for ex, because... I just honestly don't care, I've long ago realized that it's all smoke and mirrors and I rely solely on myself, no need for an external "force", sometimes I win, sometimes I fall hard, suffer, but for fucks sake - I'd be out of my mind if I'd try to seek "help" outside the physical world (which is all that matters). It's usualy a conditioning from a family or other weak people who influence a person at the right time. If there would've been appropriate strong influences for such a person (for ex. like I had) he/she would react to the challenges of life in a completely different way.
No, I just love God and want to share Jesus Christ with others.
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Your mental stability is hanging by a thread. I fear you're quite close to a massive emotional and spiritual implosion. No one is as close to the edge as someone who spouts off like you do.
Explore a backup plan for when your god fails to deliver/your delusion hits a brick wall.
I'm doing great actually. I get tired of some of the characters on these boards, but I'm doing great.
I did speak to a couple folks that I confide in about taking some time away from the boards. A little recharge.
Speaking to folks about God can be taxing at times, but I do it out of love. Still, recharge is good sometimes.....not sure yet what I'm going to do.
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I hope you realize that I don't have even slightest issue about not reaching the "eternity" or about my "sins". I literally don't care, when I die - I die, game over, lights out baby, I do not sweat that at all. Why are you afraid of death? There's nothing to be afraid about it, just "remember" the time you were still not here, was it all that bad?
Well, that's exactly why I'm speaking to you. I'm called to spread the gospel to those that are do not know Christ.
I speak to you out of a love grounded in Jesus Christ, but I legitimately and sincerely don't want to see you spend an eternity in hell separated from all that God is.
I realize you don't belief and aren't phased by the notion of sin, but I'm called to warn you of its effects, to share the gospel and to share how it's impacted my life. Sometimes I engage in some back and forth debate/discussion as well. Today I'm just sharing my faith a bit.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Actually my "relief" didn't come from the generic "religion".
My hope, peace and joy came from Jesus Christ.
Yes, this is what most of religious persons I've ever met say. My question to that is always: So what is that "Jesus Christ" without "generic" religion? How do you even know what it's about then? Or is it just....believing that he....well... exists? What's the point?
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Thank you friend, I do my best to be truthful and sincere.
But, I do have full assurance in the heart of who Jesus Christ is and that I am eternally secure in him. I no longer have any doubt.
Bullshit. You are only human. Doubts are what make us normal.
If you were knelt, being judged before god, you would not dare lie to him about your fears of his existence. He is all knowing, therefore why lie to us.
MOS, I know you believe, but you cannot control every thought or emotion that happens within you.
I would advise you to ask for forgiveness every night, because you sin everyday.
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Well, that's exactly why I'm speaking to you. I'm called to spread the gospel to those that are do not know Christ.
I speak to you out of a love grounded in Jesus Christ, but I legitimately and sincerely don't want to see you spend an eternity in hell separated from all that God is.
I realize you don't belief and aren't phased by the notion of sin, but I'm called to warn you of its effects, to share the gospel and to share how it's impacted my life. Sometimes I engage in some back and forth debate/discussion as well. Today I'm just sharing my faith a bit.
Man, what are you talking about? I do NOT CARE what's after death, hell, heaven, nothing - I simply do not care, I don't ponder about that, I don't fear it, I just don't care. And if there's hell somewhere, it's here already, on earth. But at least it's not boring. If there's a heaven, I sure do not want to go there, I'd die again out of boredom.
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Thank you friend, I do my best to be truthful and sincere.
But, I do have full assurance in the heart of who Jesus Christ is and that I am eternally secure in him. I no longer have any doubt.
Every wise person is in doubt all the time. Only thing that is sure is that everything is an assumption. I mean - yeah, I leave a chance that there actually is god (just like an unicorn and bigfoot) and if anyone would prove me - I'd adjust my beliefs, too bad I only see scared and weak people who are reaching for straws when life hits them hard and they doesn't have much to lean on.
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Yes, this is what most of religious persons I've ever met say. My question to that is always: So what is that "Jesus Christ" without "generic" religion? How do you even know what it's about then? Or is it just....believing that he....well... exists? What's the point?
When you sin you create a divide between yourself and God. God requires that his law be followed and if it is not we will be individually judged for our breaking of that law. Jesus Christ, the incarnate son of God, came to earth become the perfect sacrifice for that holy law. He died on calvary's cross so that you, me and everyone that seeks him can have that gulf between you and God bridged. You and I can become aligned with God and forever deemed righteous. Jesus Christ didn't come to spread to religion. He didn't commission his disciples to spread religion. He came to spread the good news that our sin can be overcame through him if we claim him as God, Lord and savior over our lives. We then have an advocate before God the Father and saved from his wrath and judgment.
Religion is just religion....by itself it isn't anything. Everything is about Jesus Christ.....that's the point. When a believer is saved or "born again" he/she becomes filled with the Holy Spirit of God and made anew. We see the world differently. We approach the world differently. We devote our lives for Jesus Christ. It's the Holy Spirit whose tangible presence we can feel in everyday life that guides according to his good and will purposes for our lives. Religion can't do any of that.....it's just "religion". Mix "religion" with Jesus Christ and then you have something worthwhile.
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Bullshit. You are only human. Doubts are what make us normal.
If you were knelt, being judged before god, you would not dare lie to him about your fears of his existence. He is all knowing, therefore why lie to us.
MOS, I know you believe, but you cannot control every thought or emotion that happens within you.
I would advise you to ask for forgiveness every night, because you sin everyday.
I do not engage in willful sin and I do not have doubts. It's when we engage in willful sin and defy our witness and defy God that we have issues.
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Every wise person is in doubt all the time. Only thing that is sure is that everything is an assumption. I mean - yeah, I leave a chance that there actually is god (just like an unicorn and bigfoot) and if anyone would prove me - I'd adjust my beliefs, too bad I only see scared and weak people who are reaching for straws when life hits them hard and they doesn't have much to lean on.
Again, I no longer have any doubts about Jesus Christ, who he is, my eternal salvation or his reality. It's really cool actually to be that secure.
Many believers are not. I have questions about scripture at times, but yet I still have confidence in his word.
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Man, what are you talking about? I do NOT CARE what's after death, hell, heaven, nothing - I simply do not care, I don't ponder about that, I don't fear it, I just don't care. And if there's hell somewhere, it's here already, on earth. But at least it's not boring. If there's a heaven, I sure do not want to go there, I'd die again out of boredom.
You should and that's why I'm here today sharing the gospel with you. You may not care at all today, but tomorrow is another day.
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As many of you all know, I absolutely love ancient history. In fact, it has helped shaped our modern society. Americans, just take a look at the majority of the capital buildings and monuments around the country. We are a nation of copycats (I mean that as a compliment)
This quote by Marcus Aurelius, who lived 2,000+ years ago, and at a time when there was pantheon of gods, best describes my way of thinking.
If there exists a god/s, then they will already know if you have lived a just life as a flawed human being.
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When you sin you create a divide between yourself and God. God requires that his law be followed and if it is not we will be individually judged for our breaking of that law. Jesus Christ, the incarnate son of God, came to earth become the perfect sacrifice for that holy law. He died on calvary's cross so that you, me and everyone that seeks him can have that gulf between you and God bridged. You and I can become aligned with God and forever deemed righteous. Jesus Christ didn't come to spread to religion. He didn't commission his disciples to spread religion. He came to spread the good news that our sin can be overcame through him if we claim him as God, Lord and savior over our lives. We then have an advocate before God the Father and saved from his wrath and judgment.
Religion is just religion....by itself it isn't anything. Everything is about Jesus Christ.....that's the point. When a believer is saved or "born again" he/she becomes filled with the Holy Spirit of God and made anew. We see the world differently. We approach the world differently. We devote our lives for Jesus Christ. It's the Holy Spirit whose tangible presence we can feel in everyday life that guides according to his good and will purposes for our lives. Religion can't do any of that.....it's just "religion". Mix "religion" with Jesus Christ and then you have something worthwhile.
Ok...so.... how would you know all that if not religion? ::) Honestly - it does not make any sense. How would you know what is "sin" without religion?
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You should and that's why I'm here today sharing the gospel with you. You may not care at all today, but tomorrow is another day.
Do you realize that you suggest me to start believing in Santa once again? I used to believe in god when I was a teen, later on I found out it's all bullshit for weak people, I cannot "wind back" my awareness, you can't "unknow". You suggest me to try to become an alcoholic just to see how "good it feels", yet I'm perfectly aware that it may feel good for a while, but it's all an illusion and dissapears when you get sober (and the reality is still there).
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I do not engage in willful sin and I do not have doubts. It's when we engage in willful sin and defy our witness and defy God that we have issues.
More like a willful excuse and fear. Do you deny the human thought process? Doubt exists in all of us. An all mighty god would be able to see through to your faith. Why does it seem to me, that you are more scared to be judged by god than I am?
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Again, I no longer have any doubts about Jesus Christ, who he is, my eternal salvation or his reality. It's really cool actually to be that secure.
Many believers are not. I have questions about scripture at times, but yet I still have confidence in his word.
Why do you feel "not secure" to begin with?
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Bullshit. You are only human. Doubts are what make us normal.
If you were knelt, being judged before god, you would not dare lie to him about your fears of his existence. He is all knowing, therefore why lie to us.
MOS, I know you believe, but you cannot control every thought or emotion that happens within you.
I would advise you to ask for forgiveness every night, because you sin everyday.
Silly. Why would you assume he doesn't? Dude knows the routine.
MoS, sort of an odd question. Christians believe the soul's eternal, right? We were all at God's side prior to our earthly birth. Ok, this is the awkward part: Why do you suppose God would take some already perfect soul, which has basked perfectly content in God's loving warmth for time immemorial, only to dump it in, say, some poor Sub-Saharan tribesman for the shortest of windows (eternally speaking), knowing full well this man will never hear the words "Jesus Christ" before the lions or cannibals send him back to the nonphysical, where he will henceforth be condemned to eternal suffering for never having the slightest access to the correct earthly gameplan?
Seems absolutely bizarre (and sadistically unfair) to f up what was already perfect, when that poor soul expressed no interest in ever leaving God's side. How does one reconcile this with Divine love and justice?
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Silly. Why would you assume he doesn't? Dude knows the routine.
MoS, sort of an odd question. Christians believe the soul's eternal, right? We were all at God's side prior to our earthly birth. Ok, this is the awkward part: Why do you suppose God would take some already perfect soul, which has basked perfectly content in God's loving warmth for time immemorial, only to dump it in, say, some poor Sub-Saharan tribesman for the shortest of windows (eternally speaking), knowing full well this man will never hear the words "Jesus Christ" before the lions or cannibals send him back to the nonphysical, where he will henceforth be condemned to eternal suffering for never having the slightest access to the correct earthly gameplan?
Seems absolutely bizarre (and sadistically unfair) to f up what was already perfect, when that poor soul expressed no interest in ever leaving God's side. How does one reconcile this with Divine love and justice?
Duh.......Its called "blind faith", Ugly.
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I think the only real answer is terrorist action against religion. Start blowing up Churches, Mosques, Synagogues etc regardless of the domination, just target religion in general and this will start making folks think twice about where they go on Sunday or when they hear call to prayer etc etc. Religious fuckers have made the average man's life more dangerous anywhere he goes, why can't we return the favour. Religion just needs to be seen like any other fascist movement or organization, a danger to civilised societies everywhere and needs to be attacked and defeated.
Won't work. You cannot kill ideology. Furthermore, it is the religions that want what you want---patriachial families. So, you want to wage war against those who agree with you?
I am not talking about killing it, but containing it, like we have with Nazism. Push it from mainstream acceptance to the fringes where the loonies live. I think it will happen anyway, people get sick and tired of being told their only choice is to be a passive victim.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Actually my "relief" didn't come from the generic "religion". Religion in and of itself is basically nothing.
My hope, peace and joy came from Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe God is a person? Do you believe God has a plan for everyone, but intervenes from above? Do you believe there is only one pathway to God, and the only true religion is yours? Why does God let innocent babies, who have never 'sinned' die of horrible diseases, or birth defects? Why doesn't he intervene to save people from dying in plane crashes or car wrecks? Is he taking a nap when those things happen? Why doesn't he intervene to stop natural disasters like the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in Indonesia years ago? How can he be a loving God, yet let these horrible things happen all the time?
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Your mental stability is hanging by a thread. I fear you're quite close to a massive emotional and spiritual implosion. No one is as close to the edge as someone who spouts off like you do.
Explore a backup plan for when your god fails to deliver/your delusion hits a brick wall.
And you gotta love the whole cliche threat of eternal damnation (hell). :D :D
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So, do you believe God is a person? Do you believe God has a plan for everyone, but intervenes from above? Do you believe there is only one pathway to God, and the only true religion is yours? Why does God let innocent babies, who have never 'sinned' die of horrible diseases, or birth defects? Why doesn't he intervene to save people from dying in plane crashes or car wrecks? Is he taking a nap when those things happen? Why doesn't he intervene to stop natural disasters like the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in Indonesia years ago? How can he be a loving God, yet let these horrible things happen all the time?
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True, but the opposite also occurs. People who do not believe in organized religion (like myself) still ponder from time to time, "what is all of this here for?" Which is why I categorize myself as Agnostic. I do not believe humans were meant to solve the mysteries of the universe.
Science helps, but even that is still a guessing game, that constantly changes.
Who cares why its all here. Who cares if this universe was made for a purpose. It most likely wasn't.
You should read about the philosophical doctrine of "Absurdism."
"The absurd is born out of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world."
"But if life is absurd, what is the point of living on? Why shouldn’t we commit suicide and hasten our fate? Using the Greek myth of Sisyphus as a metaphor, Camus attempts to answer this question and present an alternative to suicide. How to live with the consciousness of this absurdity of life is the central question of Camus’s philosophy. “Does the absurd dictate death?”[4] Camus believes that the answer is no. The appropriate response to the experience of Absurd, Camus suggests, is to live in full consciousness of it. He rejects all those things which erase the consciousness of absurd, such as religious faith, suicide and Existentialism."
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Who cares why its all here. Who cares if this universe was made for a purpose. It most likely wasn't.
You should read about the philosophical doctrine of "Absurdism."
"The absurd is born out of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world."
"But if life is absurd, what is the point of living on? Why shouldn’t we commit suicide and hasten our fate? Using the Greek myth of Sisyphus as a metaphor, Camus attempts to answer this question and present an alternative to suicide. How to live with the consciousness of this absurdity of life is the central question of Camus’s philosophy. “Does the absurd dictate death?”[4] Camus believes that the answer is no. The appropriate response to the experience of Absurd, Camus suggests, is to live in full consciousness of it. He rejects all those things which erase the consciousness of absurd, such as religious faith, suicide and Existentialism."
Good Post. Comes at just the right point in my life. I am wrestling with this exact same issue. I will look into it. Thanks.
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Sorry went to Spurs game tonight so just getting back. Will try to answer stuff again tomorrow.
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Good Post. Comes at just the right point in my life. I am wrestling with this exact same issue. I will look into it. Thanks.
Some fodder for you.
Read, "The Myth of Sisyphus" by the Nigerian philosopher and author, Albert Camus.
"In the essay (Myth of Sisyphus), Camus introduces his philosophy of the absurd: man's futile search for meaning, unity, and clarity in the face of an unintelligible world devoid of God and eternal truths or values. Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers: "No. It requires revolt." He then outlines several approaches to the absurd life. The final chapter compares the absurdity of man's life with the situation of Sisyphus, a figure of Greek mythology who was condemned to repeat forever the same meaningless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again. The essay concludes, "The struggle itself [...] is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
Absurdism quotes:
“Man stands face to face with the irrational. He feels within him his longing for happiness and for reason. The absurd is born of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world.” - Camus
“But it is obvious that absurdism hereby admits that human life is the only necessary good since it is precisely life that makes this encounter possible and since, without life, the absurdist wager would have no basis. To say that life is absurd, the conscience must be alive.” Camus
“This world in itself is not reasonable, that is all that can be said. But what is absurd is the confrontation of this irrational and the wild longing for clarity whose call echoes in the human heart.” Camus
"Revolt … is a constant confrontation between man and his own obscurity … [It] is certainty of a crushing fate, without the resignation which out to accompany it’." Camus
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Good Post. Comes at just the right point in my life. I am wrestling with this exact same issue. I will look into it. Thanks.
"The world we live in is one of absurdity , human beings are trapped in this world with no chance of escape. Are only choices are to avoid the absurd through absolute faith or suicide. Albert Camus in his philosophy tells us that there is still a way to be happy and fulfilled in this world through revolt. We must revolt against the meaninglessness of our life and of our death that awaits."
https://20th-century-philosophy.wikispaces.com/Revolt+and+The+Meaning+of+Life
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"The world we live in is one of absurdity , human beings are trapped in this world with no chance of escape. Are only choices are to avoid the absurd through absolute faith or suicide. Albert Camus in his philosophy tells us that there is still a way to be happy and fulfilled in this world through revolt. We must revolt against the meaninglessness of our life and of our death that awaits."
https://20th-century-philosophy.wikispaces.com/Revolt+and+The+Meaning+of+Life
Cool, I have been investigating it, really resonating with where I am at in life currently.
I found this site, good info here. http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity (http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity)
But I found a comment that claimed the consensus of his friends was that Camus, too, committed suicide.
This is the problem I found with digging deep into existential issues, finding out that it might be true that life is hopeless, meaningless and essentially not worth living.
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Ok...so.... how would you know all that if not religion? ::) Honestly - it does not make any sense. How would you know what is "sin" without religion?
My point is simple: organized religion is not necessary to follow Christ. Following Christ is not about organized religion....it's about saving souls.
Fellowship is a good thing and some do so in an organized church, some gather in a small group in someone's home.
Honestly, I learned the vast majority of what I know because of independent study. I listen to a ton of debate. I listen to lectures. I read books. I study online.
I understand what I do about sin because of many things: reading scripture, reading books, listening to sermons, listening to lectures, fellowship with other believers, attending church, prayer and meditation......all this has contributed.
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Do you realize that you suggest me to start believing in Santa once again? I used to believe in god when I was a teen, later on I found out it's all bullshit for weak people, I cannot "wind back" my awareness, you can't "unknow". You suggest me to try to become an alcoholic just to see how "good it feels", yet I'm perfectly aware that it may feel good for a while, but it's all an illusion and dissapears when you get sober (and the reality is still there).
I suggested that you believe in Santa? I asked you to become an alcoholic? Huh?
So as teen you believed in God. Tell me about your experience with the Holy Spirit or when you gave your live in humble surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ. Tell me about your relationship with God. Tell me about your prayer life. Tell me then how you found out it was for weak people.
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More like a willful excuse and fear. Do you deny the human thought process? Doubt exists in all of us. An all mighty god would be able to see through to your faith. Why does it seem to me, that you are more scared to be judged by god than I am?
A willful excuse and fear of what exactly?
No, I do not deny the human thought process.
Yes, doubt exists in all of us. I just don't have doubt about Jesus Christ.
I fear and respect God because I know his reality because of special revelations of who he is in my life.
You deny God and therefore have no fear or respect for God. God is more of a ridiculous notion for you.....a fairystory. I'm not afraid of Peter Pan either.
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Why do you feel "not secure" to begin with?
That's in my testimony that I linked you to earlier today.
In short I did not surrender to God when I had doubts about who he was. I lived on my terms and lived for the world. When I finally came humbly to God in surrender my insecurities vanished because of exactly what I stated in my testimony.
My confidence in the truth of God is unsettling to some....I get that. I don't make excuses for it either.
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religious people and their BULLSHIT...It's Never Ending..... ::)
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Cool, I have been investigating it, really resonating with where I am at in life currently.
I found this site, good info here. http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity (http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity)
But I found a comment that claimed the consensus of his friends was that Camus, too, committed suicide.
This is the problem I found with digging deep into existential issues, finding out that it might be true that life is hopeless, meaningless and essentially not worth living.
I read that he died in a car accident. No mention of suicide.
Anyway, I think your conflating the terms hopeless, meaningless, and not worth living. Life is inherently meaningless. I mean, I don't believe there is any inherent meaning that life has to offer. The universe, in and of itself, is devoid of meaning. There is no inherent purpose or plan to our lives. However, there is hope and there is reason for living. You just have to find that hope and reason for living to make your life meaningful.
Another author you may want to read is Viktor Frankl. Frankl wrote, "Mans Search for Meaning." He was an existential psychotherapy and survived the Holocaust.
“Ultimately, man should not ask what the meaning of his life is, but rather must recognize that it is he who is asked. In a word, each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being responsible.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
I think people pose the question in the wrong direction, as Frankl stated. Do not ask "What is the meaning of life?" By asking such a question, you will be left with no answer. The universe will not provide you with an answer. Who will? Instead, realize that you're the one who is being asked, and you must respond to this question! Camus response would be a revolt against the absurd. Frankl would say we can find meaning in three ways: (1) by creating a work or doing a deed; (2) by experiencing something or encountering someone; and (3) by the attitude we take toward unavoidable suffering" and that "everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances.
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Silly. Why would you assume he doesn't? Dude knows the routine.
MoS, sort of an odd question. Christians believe the soul's eternal, right? We were all at God's side prior to our earthly birth. Ok, this is the awkward part: Why do you suppose God would take some already perfect soul, which has basked perfectly content in God's loving warmth for time immemorial, only to dump it in, say, some poor Sub-Saharan tribesman for the shortest of windows (eternally speaking), knowing full well this man will never hear the words "Jesus Christ" before the lions or cannibals send him back to the nonphysical, where he will henceforth be condemned to eternal suffering for never having the slightest access to the correct earthly gameplan?
Seems absolutely bizarre (and sadistically unfair) to f up what was already perfect, when that poor soul expressed no interest in ever leaving God's side. How does one reconcile this with Divine love and justice?
I believe when we exit this life we then enter eternity. I don't believe any part of us existed prior to our births (body or soul). I know that God is aware of our future existence, but nothing beyond that.
Folks that die without hearing the gospel, reading the scriptures or hearing the name Jesus Christ will be fairly judged based upon what has been revealed to them in their lives and their response to that revelation. Scripture indicates everyone knows the reality of God via his creation so they are without excuse. Again, I believe that God is a fair and righteous judge and that the more someone knows the more severe their judgment will be.
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So, do you believe God is a person? Do you believe God has a plan for everyone, but intervenes from above? Do you believe there is only one pathway to God, and the only true religion is yours? Why does God let innocent babies, who have never 'sinned' die of horrible diseases, or birth defects? Why doesn't he intervene to save people from dying in plane crashes or car wrecks? Is he taking a nap when those things happen? Why doesn't he intervene to stop natural disasters like the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in Indonesia years ago? How can he be a loving God, yet let these horrible things happen all the time?
I believe God is a divine being that expresses his divinity via three coequal, coeternal persons in Father, Son and Spirit.
I believe God has will, a plan and is sovereign. I believe he can intervene based on his good will and purposes and as a demonstration of who he is.
There are many paths that lead to God. There's only one way to salvation and that's Jesus Christ. There is only one God and that's the triune God of the bible grounded in Jesus Christ.
He does intervene in some plane crashes and car wrecks. I've heard and read many stories. Why not all? I don't know.
How do you know he never intervenes in natural disasters?
The result of our sin is pain, disease, decay and death in the world. The answer to sin is Jesus Christ.
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Who cares why its all here. Who cares if this universe was made for a purpose. It most likely wasn't.
You should read about the philosophical doctrine of "Absurdism."
"The absurd is born out of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world."
"But if life is absurd, what is the point of living on? Why shouldn’t we commit suicide and hasten our fate? Using the Greek myth of Sisyphus as a metaphor, Camus attempts to answer this question and present an alternative to suicide. How to live with the consciousness of this absurdity of life is the central question of Camus’s philosophy. “Does the absurd dictate death?”[4] Camus believes that the answer is no. The appropriate response to the experience of Absurd, Camus suggests, is to live in full consciousness of it. He rejects all those things which erase the consciousness of absurd, such as religious faith, suicide and Existentialism."
Great. I should read some of that, interesting. I've came to a similar conclusion on my own tho (to live with this awareness of absurdity and I just don't give a shit anymore).
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My point is simple: organized religion is not necessary to follow Christ. Following Christ is not about organized religion....it's about saving souls.
Fellowship is a good thing and some do so in an organized church, some gather in a small group in someone's home.
Honestly, I learned the vast majority of what I know because of independent study. I listen to a ton of debate. I listen to lectures. I read books. I study online.
I understand what I do about sin because of many things: reading scripture, reading books, listening to sermons, listening to lectures, fellowship with other believers, attending church, prayer and meditation......all this has contributed.
Once again - how would you know ANYTHING at all about Jesus if not RELIGION that made him known? Or are you twisting the faith as it suits you better? Do you realize that "believeing in god" without clear guidelines of HOW to do that means just that - believing that "he" exists? What's the point then? You are either following a religious doctrine or you are simply believing that something exists, but that's it, makes no sense.
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I suggested that you believe in Santa? I asked you to become an alcoholic? Huh?
So as teen you believed in God. Tell me about your experience with the Holy Spirit or when you gave your live in humble surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ. Tell me about your relationship with God. Tell me about your prayer life. Tell me then how you found out it was for weak people.
Yes, that's exactly what you suggest me - to stop taking charge in my life and start "buzzing" myself with faith (which is equal to the effect of being drunk). The thing is - I'm succesfully navigating through life and I don't need any "god", faith or anything else, I simply do not care, if I die - I die, if I win I win, if I suffer I suffer, I'm ready to take anything that comes my way with a head up high, and I've done that many times already. That's the difference betweet strong and weak. Weak indulge in various ways to numb their frustrations of not being a le to deal with life, that is exactly: either alcohol, drugs OR religion. A false/artificial sense of "all is good". All is good when you effectively survive on this planet, because that's really the only point of life at all. You clearly weren't able to achieve that, just like many other weak animals, so you became angry and depressed and the relief that was suitable for you came out to be religion, that is of course better that being on antidepressants.
I don't have much to tell you about my "experience". My grandparents were somewhat religious and I just like many kids believed in the authority of theirs and followed what they told me, not like you have much choice as a kid. It's exactly just like with santa - you believe it because yoyr parents say it's true (and it's a nice/appealing idea, just like god), but there comes an age of reason and you figure out it's all bullshit. My intellect has been way too high to believe in god for any longer than that and I have been way too strong minded individual to relie on an imaginary friend. I've always took charge in my life and blamed only myself if something went wrong, congradulated myself too if I succeeded. Weak people doesn't act like that, that's how I found out that god is for weak, who can't manage to deal with life with a sober mind, they need some kind of artificial "joy" to keep them going. And I'm fully aware that the "joy" comes when my life is balanced and I'm making a progress in it.
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That's in my testimony that I linked you to earlier today.
In short I did not surrender to God when I had doubts about who he was. I lived on my terms and lived for the world. When I finally came humbly to God in surrender my insecurities vanished because of exactly what I stated in my testimony.
My confidence in the truth of God is unsettling to some....I get that. I don't make excuses for it either.
I still can't understand why have you felt "not secure", what do you think were the exact mistakes of your parents/family who did not prapare you well for this life?
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I think most religious people follow religion for cultural reasons more than anything. Your parents follow a religion, your family all practice that religion and your ancestors have been part of that religion for hundreds of years - therefore, you go along with it.
I'm not really a spiritual person but I still identify myself as a Catholic and occasionally go to church because of these cultural links.
I do think religion is a useful tool for survival and played an important role to helping build societies - since it create a bond between groups and people through having shared beliefs.
I also think the decline of Christianity could prove to be very damaging to the long term future of Western Europe but that's another debate altogether.
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I read that he died in a car accident. No mention of suicide.
Anyway, I think your conflating the terms hopeless, meaningless, and not worth living. Life is inherently meaningless. I mean, I don't believe there is any inherent meaning that life has to offer. The universe, in and of itself, is devoid of meaning. There is no inherent purpose or plan to our lives. However, there is hope and there is reason for living. You just have to find that hope and reason for living to make your life meaningful.
Another author you may want to read is Viktor Frankl. Frankl wrote, "Mans Search for Meaning." He was an existential psychotherapy and survived the Holocaust.
“Ultimately, man should not ask what the meaning of his life is, but rather must recognize that it is he who is asked. In a word, each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being responsible.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
I think people pose the question in the wrong direction, as Frankl stated. Do not ask "What is the meaning of life?" By asking such a question, you will be left with no answer. The universe will not provide you with an answer. Who will? Instead, realize that you're the one who is being asked, and you must respond to this question! Camus response would be a revolt against the absurd. Frankl would say we can find meaning in three ways: (1) by creating a work or doing a deed; (2) by experiencing something or encountering someone; and (3) by the attitude we take toward unavoidable suffering" and that "everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances.
Good Stuff Man. I am going to investigate this some more. I feel I am at a crossroads in my life. I am just about to turn 43 and feel I have lived pretty much the way I want, I won't go into detail, but I have lived as a rebel on the fringes. I had a very abusive childhood that led me into an even more violent adult life. As you can imagine, such a life creates it's fair share of psychological and physical battle scars. Now I find myself asking is this it and I get a sense that the rest of my life is kind of knowable and predictable and I wonder do I really want to ride that wave in. I sometimes seriously consider jumping off the wave and waiting for the next one to come along (meaning the next life). For some people life isn't a bed of roses, it is a daily grind, one that isn't always apparent to the outside observer, it's living with a tormented psyche. For me I sometimes feel like a tortured soul and wonder how much more I can take. It's like I need to find something, and God doesn't do it for me, I know that much.
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Cool, I have been investigating it, really resonating with where I am at in life currently.
I found this site, good info here. http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity (http://www.philosophytalk.org/community/blog/laura-maguire/2015/04/camus-and-absurdity)
But I found a comment that claimed the consensus of his friends was that Camus, too, committed suicide.
This is the problem I found with digging deep into existential issues, finding out that it might be true that life is hopeless, meaningless and essentially not worth living.
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I think people pose the question in the wrong direction, as Frankl stated. Do not ask "What is the meaning of life?" By asking such a question, you will be left with no answer.
It's cliche, but I would dare to say... love. Have you ever been in love? Like reallly in love, when the birds sang and sun was shining so bright like never before? If you were (it is rare, but happens to some) and someone asked you "What's the meaning of life? I don't see any." during that time, you would've said "Wtf are you talking about?? Fuck off!!".
Too bad it passes, but it's worth being alive just for that experience.
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Probably not a good idea to take advice on whether or not life is worth living from a man who spent over 37 years undergoing psychoanalysis and molested children.
And even after watching that short clip, it was like meh, still unsatisfying. I want something with some staying power, real insight that penetrates to the core and satisfies the intellect. Not this candy pop psychology bullshit that sells movies to the neurotic masses.
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Probably not a good idea to take advice on whether or not life is worth living from a man who spent over 37 years undergoing psychoanalysis and molested children.
But his point of view regarding the lack of meaning in life has been widely known. And he has some great points, very intelligent fella, weird, but very intelligent.
Good Stuff Man. I am going to investigate this some more. I feel I am at a crossroads in my life. I am just about to turn 43 and feel I have lived pretty much the way I want, I won't go into detail, but I have lived as a rebel on the fringes. I had a very abusive childhood that led me into an even more violent adult life. As you can imagine, such a life creates it's fair share of psychological and physical battle scars. Now I find myself asking is this it and I get a sense that the rest of my life is kind of knowable and predictable and I wonder do I really want to ride that wave in. I sometimes seriously consider jumping off the wave and waiting for the next one to come along (meaning the next life). For some people life isn't a bed of roses, it is a daily grind, one that isn't always apparent to the outside observer, it's living with a tormented psyche. For me I sometimes feel like a tortured soul and wonder how much more I can take. It's like I need to find something, and God doesn't do it for me, I know that much.
What if there is no "other wave" as Allen says? You will still die, why not just try to enjoy the ride. I'll most certainly off myself if I ever live to a situation where I'm disabled (by age or by other circumstances), but till that - fukk it, there are good days, very good days. I'm tyring to keep myself constantly busy, "scoring" in various fields of life, progressing, "leveling" (like gamers in Lineage). QUite some options - you could come up with a new goal, maybe even a materialisic one, or to help someone who are even more unfortunate.. or you could start constantly doing blow, buying hookers and doing other stuff that gives you a physical pleasure and do that till you can't anymore then just do the last line with a bunch of pills. It can even lead to some new revelations.
I'll be honest - I'm a complete cynic, I do not believe in god, I do nto believe in humanity, I'm fully aware of the pointlessness of life, yet I don't give a fuck about all that. I used to, but stopped, cold turkey. I spit on this shit. Nietzche once said that for these who he cares at least a lil bit he wishes all the bad shit, negative thoughts and self loathing it coudl be possible to experience, because.......if you take that and still stand still - that's what shows who is who. And if you stand still - you know that you are strong afterall, and being strong is equal to being happy, because most fall, succumb and never ever experience what it is to be strong. As the saying goes - strong is not the one who beats, but the one who can take it all. Knowing that after all that you can stand up and take this experience till it lasts - is a meaning by itself, to fight, to revolt (as Camu says), to be in this battle till you can't breath no more, than you at least know that you never gave up and was defeated rightfully, not because you got scared and ran off.
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But his point of view regarding the lack of meaning in life has been widely known. And he has some great points, very intelligent fella, weird, but very intelligent.
What if there is no "other wave" as Allen says? You will still die, why not just try to enjoy the ride. I'll most certainly off myself if I ever live to a situation where I'm disabled (by age or by other circumstances), but till that - fukk it, there are good days, very good days. I'm tyring to keep myself constantly busy, "scoring" in various fields of life, progressing, "leveling" (like gamers in Lineage). QUite some options - you could come up with a new goal, maybe even a materialisic one, or to help someone who are even more unfortunate.. or you could start constantly doing blow, buying hookers and doing other stuff that gives you a physical pleasure and do that till you can't anymore then just do the last line with a bunch of pills. It can even lead to some new revelations.
I'll be honest - I'm a complete cynic, I do not believe in god, I do nto believe in humanity, I'm fully aware of the pointlessness of life, yet I don't give a fuck about all that. I used to, but stopped, cold turkey. I spit on this shit. Nietzche once said that for these who he cares at least a lil bit he wishes all the bad shit, negative thoughts and self loathing it coudl be possible to experience, because.......if you take that and still stand still - that's what shows who is who. And if you stand still - you know that you are strong afterall, and being strong is equal to being happy, because most fall, succumb and never ever experience what it is to be strong. As the saying goes - strong is not the one who beats, but the one who can take it all. Knowing that after all that you can stand up and take this experience till it lasts - is a meaning by itself, to fight, to revolt (as Camu says), to be in this battle till you can't breath no more, than you at least know that you never gave up and was defeated rightfully, not because you got scared and ran off.
For me it's not about being scared and turning tail, it's more a deeper philosophical questioning. Can't a life ended in it's prime be just as meaningful and maybe even more so than living it through to the bitter end some demented old fool shitting in his pants unaware of his surroundings. What's the point in that? Is that worth fighting for? I kind of like looking at individual life as an artform, like a piece of music, you have to know when to end the song, if you just keep repeating the chorus it soon annoys and frustrates rather than pleases and soothes. Or like the fighter who never knows when to retire only to become a sad caricature of his former self.
If I am honest the thought of killing myself is far more frightening than just seeing out my days, keeping on keeping on is easy, just keep doing what I am doing, wash, rinse, repeat. No fight, no struggle, no fear. But taking your life into your own hands takes courage and a strong sense of self determination, dying on my own terms, just like I have lived life. I think I decided many years ago that barring accidental death or sudden tragedy I will be the one who decides how and when I die. It's just a matter of determining when that will be. I am in no hurry, but it is something I often think about.
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I hope I am not inferring to much into Radical Plato's posts, but suicide is never an option, my friend.
PM me, if you would like to discuss things privately.
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For me it's not about being scared and turning tail, it's more a deeper philosophical questioning. Can't a life ended in it's prime be just as meaningful and maybe even more so than living it through to the bitter end some demented old fool shitting in his pants unaware of his surroundings. What's the point in that? Is that worth fighting for? I kind of like looking at individual life as an artform, like a piece of music, you have to know when to end the song, if you just keep repeating the chorus it soon annoys and frustrates rather than pleases and soothes. Or like the fighter who never knows when to retire only to become a sad caricature of his former self.
If I am honest the thought of killing myself is far more frightening than just seeing out my days, keeping on keeping on is easy, just keep doing what I am doing, wash, rinse, repeat. No fight, no struggle, no fear. But taking your life into your own hands takes courage and a strong sense of self determination, dying on my own terms, just like I have lived life. I think I decided many years ago that barring accidental death or sudden tragedy I will be the one who decides how and when I die. It's just a matter of determining when that will be. I am in no hurry, but it is something I often think about.
Good points. I can only say that I have some hope in technology. It may very well be that these who are 30-40 now will have a much more bearable experience at an old age than these who lived before. Think virtual reality, some advanced medical procedures. And at the very least - the same technology may bring a very interesting and almost "magical" (compared to now) life experience in a relatively near future (AIs unrecognizable from humans, brain upgrades, enabling to feel and experience on a whole different level, etc..). Just saying that it may be quite exciting time to still be alive. It may not, but you will never find out if you end it soon.
And Shizzo - suicide is an option, why not, it depends on how many other options a person has/sees.
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I hope I am not inferring to much into Radical Plato's posts, but suicide is never an option, my friend.
PM me, if you would like to discuss things privately.
I don't feel suicidal per se, just at a point in life where I am delving deep into existential issues and it has me questioning life long held values and meanings. I have never understood other people's concerns when others talk of suicide. I mean, how do we know what another is experiencing and how do we know that suicide isn't the best option for that person. I had a good friend commit suicide at 42, I know why he did it, I think for himself he probably did what he thought was best and who knows maybe it was. I know what his circumstances were and the remainder of his life would have probably consisted of many years of torment and misery. Who am I to say he should stick around and learn to enjoy being a masochist.
This is why I like the euthanasia movement, they don't try and talk anybody out of suicide, they advocate harm minimisation and the most effective ways to end your life. To be honest, I think if someone is determined to take their life, their isn't much you can say to prevent it. Suicide is a deeply deeply personal issue that happens to have broad social ramifications unfortunately. Like I said, not suicidal, just questioning the meaning of life, if there is such a thing.
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Great. I should read some of that, interesting. I've came to a similar conclusion on my own tho (to live with this awareness of absurdity and I just don't give a shit anymore).
I really don't think that anyone's introspection should be taken seriously (mine or yours) we are completely and utterly unequipped to understand what is occurring. I don't mean this in a god from christianity nor am I arguing from ignorance, however, we very well could be a simulation, it's logically tenable.
ND Tyson, makes a very apt point regarding dna similarity between us and chimps, simply a 1% difference, within this difference lies our intelligence, that 1% sends us out of the trees and onto the moon. Imagine what 1% more difference would look like? the children would have intuitive understanding of quantum mechanics, they would explain dark matter simply and perhaps things that we cannot even fathom.
I also don't trust what I am saying for the same reason no humans inferences are truly helpful, it could all be pointless if that is even a thing. Which brings us back to the original point, eventually you realize, conjecture is as close as you could possibly come, inherent uncertainty is reality.
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I also don't trust what I am saying for the same reason no humans inferences are truly helpful, it could all be pointless if that is even a thing. Which brings us back to the original point, eventually you realize, conjecture is as close as you could possibly come, inherent uncertainty is reality.
Let's say you're conjecture is close to being right, don't you find that depressing. I mean if we can't trust ourselves or others and pointlessness is a likely possibility, couple this with guaranteed uncertainty and persistent recurrent suffering, how can anything other than mental gymnastics and denial/repression etc get us through. And what happens when you see through the whole charade and can no longer perform the psychological self trickery necessary to hold up this precarious deck of cards?
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I really don't think that anyone's introspection should be taken seriously (mine or yours) we are completely and utterly unequipped to understand what is occurring. I don't mean this in a god from christianity nor am I arguing from ignorance, however, we very well could be a simulation, it's logically tenable.
ND Tyson, makes a very apt point regarding dna similarity between us and chimps, simply a 1% difference, within this difference lies our intelligence, that 1% sends us out of the trees and onto the moon. Imagine what 1% more difference would look like? the children would have intuitive understanding of quantum mechanics, they would explain dark matter simply and perhaps things that we cannot even fathom.
I also don't trust what I am saying for the same reason no humans inferences are truly helpful, it could all be pointless if that is even a thing. Which brings us back to the original point, eventually you realize, conjecture is as close as you could possibly come, inherent uncertainty is reality.
I would say there is a finite math that's possible to calculate, maybe even use it however you want from then on, control, influence and shape, create new forms of being. The meaning itself may be in the being and experiencing. It's universe experiencing itself.
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Good Stuff Man. I am going to investigate this some more. I feel I am at a crossroads in my life. I am just about to turn 43 and feel I have lived pretty much the way I want, I won't go into detail, but I have lived as a rebel on the fringes. I had a very abusive childhood that led me into an even more violent adult life. As you can imagine, such a life creates it's fair share of psychological and physical battle scars. Now I find myself asking is this it and I get a sense that the rest of my life is kind of knowable and predictable and I wonder do I really want to ride that wave in. I sometimes seriously consider jumping off the wave and waiting for the next one to come along (meaning the next life). For some people life isn't a bed of roses, it is a daily grind, one that isn't always apparent to the outside observer, it's living with a tormented psyche. For me I sometimes feel like a tortured soul and wonder how much more I can take. It's like I need to find something, and God doesn't do it for me, I know that much.
That's the point, it's pointless, you are nothing, we are all nothing, everything is nothing. That's the best thing you could ever hope for, imagine, you could go sky diving tomorrow, release your fear (you are already dead) and enter the moment (now, the only time there ever is). The childhood sense of awe is due to being in the moment, you are aware that life may be pointless, it is, you are going to die and cease to exist, what difference does it make?
all the daily fears, limitations etc are self induced, your concept that life is predictable is wrong, it's not, you are, I honestly think finding what absorbs you, in that state where time, the outside world and you drift away. People are living by others fears, conjectures and all around bullshit, Kant argued that enlightenment was simply one using his own reason, life regains that shimmer when you rely on yourself and discover again.
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I don't feel suicidal per se, just at a point in life where I am delving deep into existential issues and it has me questioning life long held values and meanings. I have never understood other people's concerns when others talk of suicide. I mean, how do we know what another is experiencing and how do we know that suicide isn't the best option for that person. I had a good friend commit suicide at 42, I know why he did it, I think for himself he probably did what he thought was best and who knows maybe it was. I know what his circumstances were and the remainder of his life would have probably consisted of many years of torment and misery. Who am I to say he should stick around and learn to enjoy being a masochist.
This is why I like the euthanasia movement, they don't try and talk anybody out of suicide, they advocate harm minimisation and the most effective ways to end your life. To be honest, I think if someone is determined to take their life, their isn't much you can say to prevent it. Suicide is a deeply deeply personal issue that happens to have broad social ramifications unfortunately. Like I said, not suicidal, just questioning the meaning of life, if there is such a thing.
Dude...... :'(
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I would say there is a finite math that's possible to calculate, maybe even use it however you want from then on, control, influence and shape, create new forms of being. The meaning itself may be in the being and experiencing. It's universe experiencing itself.
See when people say deep shit like that I feel I almost understand it on an unconscious level, but then I am like what the fuck, it borders on genius/insanity, but then I realise I have no conscious idea what you are saying. Can you dumb that down for those of us who have probably knocked off more than their fair share of neurons.
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Dude...... :'(
Not that I don't appreciate the sentiment Shizzo. :P
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I'm gonna come in with a non sequitor statement
I didn't follow any replies here
that aside- I think people totally forget that "religion" and the notion of a "higher power" ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
You don't have to subscribe to Showtime to be able to watch Homeland....
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I would say there is a finite math that's possible to calculate, maybe even use it however you want from then on, control, influence and shape, create new forms of being. The meaning itself may be in the being and experiencing. It's universe experiencing itself.
Do you mean about the universe, describing it all? or genentics, I agree with the genetics, it works like a drop down menu once we figure it out. Why would our dna be like pokemon though? what can be created from particular encoding? it's insanely interesting.
There cannot be for the universe, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.
I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.
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I honestly think finding what absorbs you, in that state where time, the outside world and you drift away.
Sounds like.................... ..........being in love :)
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Do you mean about the universe, describing it all?
There cannot be, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.
I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.
So isn't that a paradox, aren't you in effect saying that uncertainty is a certainty.
And wouldn't the religious call such a place "HEAVEN" when describing a 1 trillion year old universe, one not consumed by entropy that looked like magic. If by entropy you mean the inevitable and steady deterioration of a system.
Forgive me if I am way off course, you guys are getting deep, probably too deep for me.
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Sounds like.................... ..........being in love :)
Or............................... having a good wank :)
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So isn't that a paradox, aren't you in effect saying that uncertainty is a certainty.
And wouldn't the religious call such a place "HEAVEN" when describing a 1 trillion year old universe, one not consumed by entropy that looked like magic. If by entropy you mean the inevitable and steady deterioration of a system.
Forgive me if I am way off course, you guys are getting deep, probably too deep for me.
Yes a logical and objective paradox, but a provable one! I was referencing his incompleteness theorem with his work while incomplete, that's the first problem the second problem is the answer (another cool person joke :D). Basically there are true things about numbers or systems which are true but unprovable, and that any system where this is true cannot demonstrate consistency.
The reference to magic was in line with Clarke's third law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
I wouldn't suggest it is heaven, which is a personal place for believers in this universe amongst the grand creator and all your relatives, jeebus.. :D
Would someone with sufficient intelligence, perhaps the ability to manipulate physics, harness the sun (read about dyson spheres, and Kardashev scale) want to create life and become god like? I can dig that, we can surmise, this is the source of religion as we know it, the inherent uncertainty, there is no good reason to believe in the bible or any other myth is what it boils down to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
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Sounds like.................... ..........being in love :)
In the depths of my existential thoughts I have arrived that the thing which may transcend everything (like gravity in interstellar) as there is something which cannot be proven (godel's logical analogy) but exists, I often feel it's love.
Love is the point.
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Oh copy/paste and religion/god threads
how I missed thee
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See when people say deep shit like that I feel I almost understand it on an unconscious level, but then I am like what the fuck, it borders on genius/insanity, but then I realise I have no conscious idea what you are saying. Can you dumb that down for those of us who have probably knocked off more than their fair share of neurons.
What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.
I guess I should stop here ;D
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Do you mean about the universe, describing it all? or genentics, I agree with the genetics, it works like a drop down menu once we figure it out. Why would our dna be like pokemon though? what can be created from particular encoding? it's insanely interesting.
There cannot be for the universe, Godel's work, while incomplete showed at it's core inherent uncertainty (unprovable possibilty) exists.
I can dig the last sentence, I often wonder if after enough 1%'s can we become god or a universe? if the multiverse is real, what possibilities exist? if the universe we exist in is roughly 14billion years, is i possible a 1 trillion year old universe exists? one not consumed by entropy? if so, the shit would look like magic.
I was referring to the universes math. And... I guess we actuall ARE universe already, a "god", because.... what else can we be that a universe if we are the universe. lol it's repetitive. These billions of years are proably being counted from the last cycle of contraction-expansion. Everything is dual in universe.
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Yes a logical and objective paradox, but a provable one! I was referencing his incompleteness theorem with his work while incomplete, that's the first problem the second problem is the answer (another cool person joke :D). Basically there are true things about numbers or systems which are true but unprovable, and that any system where this is true cannot demonstrate consistency.
The reference to magic was in line with Clarke's third law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
I wouldn't suggest it is heaven, which is a personal place for believers in this universe amongst the grand creator and all your relatives, jeebus.. :D
Would someone with sufficient intelligence, perhaps the ability to manipulate physics, harness the sun (read about dyson spheres, and Kardashev scale) want to create life and become god like? I can dig that, we can surmise, this is the source of religion as we know it, the inherent uncertainty, there is no good reason to believe in the bible or any other myth is what it boils down to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
I can tell you are a deep dude, and further down the path than I. It never ceases to amaze wherever my head takes me, I soon discover their are many men before me who have trodden the same path. It's like I discover these deep recesses of my mind that seem completely foreign to me, and I am like WTF is that and then with a little investigating I find some philosopher/artist/psychonaut has already been there done that and is now even further along down the rabbit hole and they are saying come on down, you have got to check this shit out. Life is like the biggest acid trip you could ever take.
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In the depths of my existential thoughts I have arrived that the thing which may transcend everything (like gravity in interstellar) as there is something which cannot be proven (godel's logical analogy) but exists, I often feel it's love.
Love is the point.
Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?
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What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.
I guess I should stop here ;D
Good post, we are made up of star stuff, stars exploded, created planets, we are the very same atoms that once existed in stars, it's objectively true we are a "part" of the universe.
Quantum entanglement indicates the whole thing may be entangled.
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What I mean is... we, human beings, try to understand life and universe, at it's core we are doing math, calculations, our thoughts are math at their core, you know the zeroes and unos, but here lies a paradox - we try to calculate the calculations by using these same calculations! We are vibrations, and these vibrations try to calculate itself by using these same vibrations, in other words. What does it mean? Maybe a consciousness of the universe as a whole? First it's a singular dot, an energy, everything, all the numbers in one place, then it explodes so just to be able to "look" at itself from a far, a process of universe experienceing itself in various forms and ways as - WE are the universe, the same, not some alien matter from "outside". Maybe that's the whole meaning - to be, to experience states, (doubt may be one of these states to experience in this physical shape that we were destined to become). To be - quite a meaning by itself if you think about it. If there's no "be" - there's nothing. And if you are - you experience. We are the extension of everything and everything is an extension of us. Thus if you say "I am" it is the universe that says "I am" and whole universe is just one happening. And if there's no "begining" or "end" (in our human/animal terms) - then it's just that one infinite happening, only now, that continues and continues. This process probably goes on and on, in and out, the duality, the "quantum wave", a vibration, and if it's a vibration it's dual, on-off, the same principle probably applies for an expanding and contracting universe..
But once it's all calculated (by super intelligence for ex that we are developing in AI form) it is finite, you solve the equation and theres nothing more to calculate, because there's nothing "outside", no such thing, it's all there is, there can't be anything more that there is.
I guess I should stop here ;D
Gee, thanks for dumbing it down for me. ;D
Maybe I need some acid to understand all that, it sounds like you understand it all.
But where does individual suffering come into all this.
And why is experiencing emotional states such as joy easier to tolerate than misery.
And do you think striated glutes should be a consideration when judging a bodybuilders physique?
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I can tell you are a deep dude, and further down the path than I. It never ceases to amaze wherever my head takes me, I soon discover their are many men before me who have trodden the same path. It's like I discover these deep recesses of my mind that seem completely foreign to me, and I am like WTF is that and then with a little investigating I find some philosopher/artist/psychonaut has already been there done that and is now even further along down the rabbit hole and they are saying come on down, you have got to check this shit out. Life is like the biggest acid trip you could ever take.
Philosophy is in essence, non-sense, anything others have thought or deduced, can be accessed by introspection. This is the point, use your own mind to come to these revelations, there is nothing special about me or others, IQ refers to speed, anyone with effort can get there.
The smartest of the very smart have no fucking clue what is going on in a sense that we truly know very little, quantum computing may be the next leap which will make more sense of this.
I have been grappling with these issues for as long as I can remember, as a child I would be overcome with the concepts of death, what the fuck are dreams etc. One thing I do know after a life of over thinking, life is best when not-thinking.
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Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?
You don't, it seems to be the most real.
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Philosophy is in essence, non-sense, anything others have thought or deduced, can be accessed by introspection. This is the point, use your own mind to come to these revelations, there is nothing special about me or others, IQ refers to speed, anyone with effort can get there.
The smartest of the very smart have no fucking clue what is going on in a sense that we truly know very little, quantum computing may be the next leap which will make more sense of this.
I have been grappling with these issues for as long as I can remember, as a child I would be overcome with the concepts of death, what the fuck are dreams etc. One thing I do know after a life of over thinking, life is best when not-thinking.
Man you and I are kindred spirits by the sounds of it. I agree 100% with living a life of over thinking and that life is best when not-thinking. But fuck me if I can't stop the habit. And yes, I agree with developing insight by introspection, but I always find it comforting to read about it in a more complete form and by someone more likely smarter than I. I think I get relief from it because often times I think I am completely mad, as in my circle of friends and family, none of them think like I do, and I mean none of them. They often times think I am crazy, which I can't blame them for it as I have experienced psychosis twice and been involuntarily admitted on both those occasions (let me tell you I wasn't happy about that, as I was a harmless psychotic ;D)
I am surrounded by people who are like, just focus on the positive and you think to much. I respond by saying fuck the positive and you don't think enough. ;D
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Maybe...love is the highest of these states one can be in? Who knows... but you certainly do NOT question meaning of life when you are in that state, it seems to be self evident. Mind blowing eh?
You only begin to question it when you realise the woman you are in love with isn't in love with you, then you ask some BIG FUCKING QUESTIONS. ;D
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Gee, thanks for dumbing it down for me. ;D
Maybe I need some acid to understand all that, it sounds like you understand it all.
But where does individual suffering come into all this.
And why is experiencing emotional states such as joy easier to tolerate than misery.
And do you think striated glutes should be a consideration when judging a bodybuilders physique?
No you don't need anything, you already understand it, because you are the same, from the same, just like me. Individual suffering is a state just as meaningful as joy, because if there is just BE, but no experiencing of states, well then there really would be no point, would it? And if there's joy, there must be sadness, the same duality, vibration, in-out, up-down. I think we probably can't even "kill" oourselves, as there's nothing to kill, we can only change shape/state of being. In our animalistic reality we sweat the begining and end a lot, but there are no such things, there are only now, one massive vibration that generates all that we can see and experience, we are the part of that vibration, we ARE that viration. They say universe is "expanding". no shit t does, just like everything else that accumulates energy for a long time and releases it out, then it starts slowing down, just like an explosion, cooling down, and because universe is all there is (because math ends at the "big bang". and there's no point to ask what was "before") it will swirl slowly (as everything is swirling too, planets, electrons, atoms, etc..) and will start accumulating once again.
I think striated glutes are like that Schroedingers cat - where you look - you find it. If you look for shredded glutes - you find 'em (except if it's Cutler on the stage). This may bring to another point - be careful where you focus your attention to, because consciousness tends to manifest into a shape (like a car for ex. it's consciousness with a shape), besically if these quantum experiments and interpretation are true - we really find what we concentrate on..
That would by my take on this matter.
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You only begin to question it when you realise the woman you are in love with isn't in love with you, then you ask some BIG FUCKING QUESTIONS. ;D
Yeah! That's when the state passes and you start to think once again - so what is this all about? Funny
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No you don't need anything, you already understand it, because you are the same, from the same, just like me. Individual suffering is a state just as meaningful as joy, because if there is just BE, but no experiencing of states, well then there really would be no point, would it? And if there's joy, there must be sadness, the same duality, vibration, in-out, up-down. I think we probably can't even "kill" oourselves, as there's nothing to kill, we can only change shape/state of being. In our animalistic reality we sweat the begining and end a lot, but there are no such things, there are only now, one massive vibration that generates all that we can see and experience, we are the part of that vibration. They say universe is "expanding". no shit t does, just like everything else that accumulates energy for a long time and releases it out, then it starts slowing down, just like an explosion, cooling down, and because universe is all there is (because math ends at the "big bang". and there's no point to ask what was "before") it will swirl slowly (as everything is swirling too, planets, electrons, atoms, etc..) and will start accumulating once again.
I think striated glutes are like that Schroedingers cat - where you look - you find it. If you look for shredded glutes - you find 'em (except if it's Cutler on the stage). This may bring to another point - be careful where you focus your attention to, because consciousness tends to manifest into a shape (like a car for ex. it's consciousness with a shape), besically if these quantum experiments and interpretation are true - we really find what we concentrate on..
That would by my take on this matter.
Thanks da_vinci, and I like the classic getbigger response at the end, taking the comical question seriously and probably producing some pretty deep wisdom out of it.
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Thanks da_vinci, and I like the classic getbigger response at the end, taking the comical question seriously and probably producing some pretty deep wisdom out of it.
No biggie, you are not alone, we are all in this shit, we are all the same. I should try acid some time, they say you fully realize that while tripping, that there are no "borders". If you ever decide to "change shape" - well so be it, you won't dissapear anywhere anyway... nor me or anyone else. In light of this thinking holly books and jesus bullshit looks so dam nridiculously hilarious.
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No biggie, you are not alone, we are all in this shit, we are all the same. I should try acid some time, they say you fully realize that while tripping, that there are no "borders". If you ever decide to "change shape" - well so be it, you won't dissapear anywhere anyway... nor me or anyone else. In light of this thinking holly books and jesus bullshit looks so dam nridiculously hilariuos.
I take acid every now and again to break things up. It truly is one of the best drugs ever. You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted. I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week. I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature. On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue. And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping. And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect. And good acid has virtually no negative comedown, maybe a little insomnia but that's about it. It's like waking from a pleasant dream as it wears off, that has been my experience although I have had a couple of bad trips, but they aren't as bad as some of the stories I have heard. Just have to get the dosage right.
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I take acid every now and again to break things up. It truly is one of the best drugs ever. You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted. I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week. I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature. On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue. And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping. And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect.
I'm not an addictive type anyway and would not search for a 'relief" so have no worries about dependencies, but I'd certainly would like to try it for "self exploration". Listening to music must be really magic, I'm a huge music fanatic, can only imagine what it would be like. Tried just weed a few times till now, and it was great for the music too. Once a year such a trip probably wouldn't hurt anyone.
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I'm not an addictive type anyway and would not search for a 'relief" so have no worries about dependencies, but I'd certainly would like to try it for "self exploration". Listening to music must be really magic, I'm a huge music fanatic, can only imagine what it would be like. Tried just weed a few times till now, and it was great for the music too. Once a year such a trip probably wouldn't hurt anyone.
My love of music is why I like to indulge now and again. It is indescribable what happens, it's like the music is actually speaking to you, like you actually understand what it is trying to convey. I could never describe it accurately enough to do it justice, but it is one of my favorite things to do when I have a day off. I like to awake in the morning and then I have my coffee and oatmeal, with dates, cinnamon and protein powder of course and then drop 2 tabs of acid and put some music on, wait 45 mins and then I just melt into it. I take it in the morning so it has worn off by the time I go to bed. If I get the dose right I can still go out in public and nobody is none the wiser. I do get a bit self conscious but I just make sure to keep to myself and not get to deep into any conversations with anyone in case they pick up on the fact that something isn't quite right.
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My love of music is why I like to indulge now and again. It is indescribable what happens, it's like the music is actually speaking to you, like you actually understand what it is trying to convey. I could never describe it accurately enough to do it justice, but it is one of my favorite things to do when I have a day off. I like to awake in the morning and then I have my coffee and oatmeal, with dates, cinnamon and protein powder of course and then drop 2 tabs of acid and put some music on, wait 45 mins and then I just melt into it. I take it in the morning so it has worn off by the time I go to bed. If I get the dose right I can still go out in public and nobody is none the wiser. I do get a bit self conscious but I just make sure to keep to myself and not get to deep into any conversations with anyone in case they pick up on the fact that something isn't quite right.
Lol. How long approx can you effectively trip on it and feel the good state? I listen to electronic music mostly, it's particulary good for basically any drug.
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Lol. How long approx can you effectively trip on it and feel the good state? I listen to electronic music mostly, it's particulary good for basically any drug.
The effects last anywhere between 6-10 hours. There is a bell curve of course, usually peaking in the 2-4 hr range. People freak out about psychedelics, but a lot of it is just propaganda. I will say this though, I do think people who lack insight usually have bad trips, because I do believe acid reveals parts of our unconscious and subconscious to us, and I have known people to have absolute meltdowns on it, they couldn't handle the mirror that acid held up to them. I always recommend some xanax on hand for inexperienced users, some xanax will usually nullify the acid and essentially cancel a bad trip.
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The effects last anywhere between 6-10 hours. There is a bell curve of course, usually peaking in the 2-4 hr range.
Thx, I'll try it some day.
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Thx, I'll try it some day.
What country are you from da_vinci?
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Yes, that's exactly what you suggest me - to stop taking charge in my life and start "buzzing" myself with faith (which is equal to the effect of being drunk). The thing is - I'm succesfully navigating through life and I don't need any "god", faith or anything else, I simply do not care, if I die - I die, if I win I win, if I suffer I suffer, I'm ready to take anything that comes my way with a head up high, and I've done that many times already. That's the difference betweet strong and weak. Weak indulge in various ways to numb their frustrations of not being a le to deal with life, that is exactly: either alcohol, drugs OR religion. A false/artificial sense of "all is good". All is good when you effectively survive on this planet, because that's really the only point of life at all. You clearly weren't able to achieve that, just like many other weak animals, so you became angry and depressed and the relief that was suitable for you came out to be religion, that is of course better that being on antidepressants.
I don't have much to tell you about my "experience". My grandparents were somewhat religious and I just like many kids believed in the authority of theirs and followed what they told me, not like you have much choice as a kid. It's exactly just like with santa - you believe it because yoyr parents say it's true (and it's a nice/appealing idea, just like god), but there comes an age of reason and you figure out it's all bullshit. My intellect has been way too high to believe in god for any longer than that and I have been way too strong minded individual to relie on an imaginary friend. I've always took charge in my life and blamed only myself if something went wrong, congradulated myself too if I succeeded. Weak people doesn't act like that, that's how I found out that god is for weak, who can't manage to deal with life with a sober mind, they need some kind of artificial "joy" to keep them going. And I'm fully aware that the "joy" comes when my life is balanced and I'm making a progress in it.
Well you've made your choice.
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I still can't understand why have you felt "not secure", what do you think were the exact mistakes of your parents/family who did not prapare you well for this life?
You aren't understanding me but that doesn't matter now.
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I don't feel suicidal per se, just at a point in life where I am delving deep into existential issues and it has me questioning life long held values and meanings. I have never understood other people's concerns when others talk of suicide. I mean, how do we know what another is experiencing and how do we know that suicide isn't the best option for that person. I had a good friend commit suicide at 42, I know why he did it, I think for himself he probably did what he thought was best and who knows maybe it was. I know what his circumstances were and the remainder of his life would have probably consisted of many years of torment and misery. Who am I to say he should stick around and learn to enjoy being a masochist.
This is why I like the euthanasia movement, they don't try and talk anybody out of suicide, they advocate harm minimisation and the most effective ways to end your life. To be honest, I think if someone is determined to take their life, their isn't much you can say to prevent it. Suicide is a deeply deeply personal issue that happens to have broad social ramifications unfortunately. Like I said, not suicidal, just questioning the meaning of life, if there is such a thing.
I'm going to pray for deliverance in your life. You seem like a decent man, but I can assure you that drug use and suicidal thoughhts in whatever form they come are demonic in nature. A heart turned for Christ can deliver you from all that darkness and set your mind anew and give you righteous perspective. Be free of your sin. I care about you and know the difference Christ can make....make you a new man.
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1) I believe when we exit this life we then enter eternity. I don't believe any part of us existed prior to our births (body or soul). I know that God is aware of our future existence, but nothing beyond that.
Folks that die without hearing the gospel, reading the scriptures or hearing the name Jesus Christ will be fairly judged based upon what has been revealed to them in their lives and their response to that revelation. 2) Scripture indicates everyone knows the reality of God via his creation so they are without excuse. Again, I believe that God is a fair and righteous judge and that the more someone knows the more severe their judgment will be.
1) Ok, makes much more sense, 'cause I don't recall shit before birth.
2) You're ok with this, though? Some Native Injun, told by his trusted Elders the various origin myths, tribe after tribe for centuries, right. And he's just supposed to step outside the teepee, contemplate himself and his surroundings - reject all he's ever been taught - and simply arrive, somehow, at Abraham's God.
That's really something.
Historically, you know, he represents well over a billion "without excuse" condemned souls, and it so easily could've been EVERY lucky-to-be-born-Christian Christian.
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I take acid every now and again to break things up. It truly is one of the best drugs ever. You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted. I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week. I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature. On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue. And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping. And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect. And good acid has virtually no negative comedown, maybe a little insomnia but that's about it. It's like waking from a pleasant dream as it wears off, that has been my experience although I have had a couple of bad trips, but they aren't as bad as some of the stories I have heard. Just have to get the dosage right.
www.darknet.com?
I think their site is down for maintenance.
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1) Ok, makes much more sense, 'cause I don't recall shit before birth.
2) You're ok with this, though? Some Native Injun, told by his trusted Elders the various origin myths, tribe after tribe for centuries, right. And he's just supposed to step outside the teepee, contemplate himself and his surroundings - reject all he's ever been taught - and simply arrive, somehow, at Abraham's God.
That's really something.
Historically, you know, he represents well over a billion "without excuse" condemned souls, and it so easily could've been EVERY lucky-to-be-born-Christian Christian.
In these types of situations most conclude that God's judgment will be cruel and unfair. God's justice is just and he will evaluate each person individually. I've experienced his grace, mercy, loving kindness and I believe his judgment will be appropriate.
If a tribesman never heard the name Jesus Christ I still know God's law is written upon his heart and that God is made evident to him through creation.
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www.darknet.com?
I think their site is down for maintenance.
Oh, the darknet isn't a site as such, but a general term for a less well known hidden part of the Internet, usually accessed using specialist browsers like TOR. I shouldn't have used the term 'easy enough'. You do need a little computer knowledge and you also need to know how to get hold of some digital currency like bitcoins. But once you know what to do it isn't to hard. There are several tutorials online how to buy goods on the darknnet, maybe even try reddit, but if you really want to explore darknetmarkets just google it and study up a bit and you will be amazed what is going on out there.
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I'm going to pray for deliverance in your life. You seem like a decent man, but I can assure you that drug use and suicidal thoughhts in whatever form they come are demonic in nature. A heart turned for Christ can deliver you from all that darkness and set your mind anew and give you righteous perspective. Be free of your sin. I care about you and know the difference Christ can make....make you a new man.
To be fair MOS, I appreciate the sentiment, but I feel the god botherers are way behind me, you have only gotten stuck on a branch of the tree and refused to break free and climb any higher. And Psychedelics are probably the reason Religion exists, strange really, because if there wasn't people like me who are curious enough to explore things like psychedelic drugs there would be no people like you.
I liked what Camus said on the absurd and the belief in GOD. This from the wikipedia
The meaning of life
According to absurdism, humans historically attempt to find meaning in their lives. Traditionally, this search results in one of two conclusions: either that life is meaningless, or life contains within it a purpose set forth by a higher power—a belief in God, or adherence to some religion or other abstract concept.
Elusion
Camus perceives filling the void with some invented belief or meaning as a mere "act of eluding"—that is, avoiding or escaping rather than acknowledging and embracing the Absurd. To Camus, elusion is a fundamental flaw in religion, existentialism, and various other schools of thought. If the individual eludes the Absurd, then he or she can never confront it.
God
Even with a spiritual power as the answer to meaning, another question arises: What is the purpose of a belief in God? Kierkegaard believed that there is no human-comprehensible purpose of God, making faith in God absurd itself. Camus on the other hand states that to believe in God is to "deny one of the terms of the contradiction" between humanity and the universe (and is therefore not absurd but what he calls "philosophical suicide").
Personal meaning
For Camus, the beauty people encounter in life makes it worth living. People may create meaning in their own lives, which may not be the objective meaning of life (if there is one), but can still provide something to strive for. However, he insisted that one must always maintain an ironic distance between this invented meaning and the knowledge of the absurd, lest the fictitious meaning take the place of the absurd.
Freedom
Freedom cannot be achieved beyond what the absurdity of existence permits; however, the closest one can come to being absolutely free is through acceptance of the Absurd. Camus introduced the idea of "acceptance without resignation" as a way of dealing with the recognition of absurdity, asking whether or not man can "live without appeal", while defining a "conscious revolt" against the avoidance of absurdity of the world. In a world devoid of higher meaning or judicial afterlife, the human nature becomes as close to absolutely free as is humanly possible.
Hope
The rejection of hope, in absurdism, denotes the refusal to believe in anything more than what this absurd life provides. Hope, Camus emphasizes, however, has nothing to do with despair (meaning that the two terms are not opposites). One can still live fully while rejecting hope, and, in fact, can only do so without hope. Hope is perceived by the absurdist as another fraudulent method of evading the Absurd, and by not having hope, one is motivated to live every fleeting moment to the fullest. In the words of Nikos Kazantzakis' epitaph: "I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Integrity
The absurdist is not guided by morality, but rather, by their own integrity. The absurdist is, in fact, amoral (though not necessarily immoral). The Absurdist's view of morality implies an unwavering sense of definite right and wrong at all times, while integrity implies honesty with one's self and consistency in the motivations of one's actions and decisions.
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Oh, the darknet isn't a site as such, but a general term for a less well known hidden part of the Internet, usually accessed using specialist browsers like TOR. I shouldn't have used the term 'easy enough'. You do need a little computer knowledge and you also need to know how to get hold of some digital currency like bitcoins. But once you know what to do it isn't to hard. There are several tutorials online how to buy goods on the darknnet, maybe even try reddit, but if you really want to explore darknetmarkets just google it and study up a bit and you will be amazed what is going on out there.
Just playing, man.
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Just playing, man.
Oh, well played. How about a smile face, it may have saved me writing out that monologue man.
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In these types of situations most conclude that God's judgment will be cruel and unfair. God's justice is just and he will evaluate each person individually. I've experienced his grace, mercy, loving kindness and I believe his judgment will be appropriate.
If a tribesman never heard the name Jesus Christ I still know God's law is written upon his heart and that God is made evident to him through creation.
Seems you ignored my whole point. Yes, he probably accepts "creation," but he certainly didn't choose the correct creator. He accepts whatever god(s) his people have always acknowledged/worshipped/whatever, which is blasphemous, I believe.
And this would also imply the rest of us, too, having no excuse because He's made it all so apparent via creation and the heart-writing, yeah? Baffling that He offers so little while expecting so much, with such extraordinary consequences. Even more baffling that so many are ok with is.
Have a good night, sir.
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Oh, well played. How about a smile face, it may have saved me writing out that monologue man.
Usually don't do faces, sorry. Seemed sorta obvious to me.