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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dashcam-footage-shows-fla-deputies-discussing-whether-to-rescue-girls-who-drowned-in-stolen-car/ar-BBs7xvC?ocid=spartanntp
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Dashcam Footage Shows Fla. Deputies Discussing Whether to Rescue Girls Who Drowned in Stolen Car
Dominique Battle, Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller all died after drowning in a stolen car.© Bay News 9 Screenshot Dominique Battle, Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller all died after drowning in a stolen car.
Dashcam footage released show that sheriff's deputies did not try to save three Florida teens who drowned after driving into a cemetery pond in a stolen car last month, Raw Story reports.
Dominque Battle, 16, and Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller, both 15, died on March 31, following a car chase with officers. The Pinellas County Sheriff's office had previously claimed that the deputies had taken off their gun belts and entered the pond once they realized that the girls were trapped inside. The officers, however, said that their feet sank in the bottom of the pond, causing them to deem any attempt at rescuing too risky.
However, in the audio of the footage, deputies can be heard standing by their cruiser discussing whether to go in after the girls.
"I hear them yelling, I think!" one officer says.
“They’re done. They are 6-7, dude” another officer replies.
“They were yelling,” a deputy responds. “I thought I heard yelling.”
“But now, they’re done. They’re done," the deputy says as the car continues to sink. ""
Obviously, they stole the car and are responsible for what happened. They're also black so we'll get the standard GetBig reponses about dindus and so on.
Should public servants pick and choose when to do their jobs? The kids were assholes but the cops still had a duty in the scenario and stood indifferently by and waited for them to die.
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Yeah, this is all over the internet.
Thing is, how are cops going to save these kids lives when its dark, they have no equipment, murky/sludge waters, and gators?
Are cops required to try and help, even if its unreasonable? I mean, even if they werent car thieves, would it still be reasonable?
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It looks like they were thieves evading capture, you do the crime you take your chances. They shouldn't just leave them, but I would not expect them to risk their lives over it. Especially with acts of nature, it's unreasonable.
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Yeah, this is all over the internet.
Thing is, how are cops going to save these kids lives when its dark, they have no equipment, murky/sludge waters, and gators?
Are cops required to try and help, even if its unreasonable? I mean, even if they werent car thieves, would it still be reasonable?
Firemen run into burning buildings.
I wouldn't want either job and am not judging. I'm asking out of morbid curiosity and hoping some reasonable post will find its way through all the inevitable racist shit. :)
I couldn't have gone in after them. I'd have a hard time going in after a soccer-mom and toddlers. I'm not a cop, though.
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Looks like another win for modern technology. Without audio, the pigs would not only have gotten away with their obvious neglect of duty, they would have probably shown their muddy shoes and be praised for heroics...."Look, Sarge....ma boots are dirty for tryin to save the youngins....duh." Dumb fuckers can't even figure out they are being recorded.
Now, hopefully they will be fired and sued in civil court.
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Is dying while trying to save some car thief is any better?
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It looks like they were thieves evading capture, you do the crime you take your chances. They shouldn't just leave them, but I would not expect them to risk their lives over it. Especially with acts of nature, it's unreasonable.
How about this? Forget the circumstances (car theft, cops involved)....A car of people just drove into a lake, and the occupants are crying for help. A group of people witness the accident. Seeing this, wouldn't at least ONE of the group of witnesses make an attempt at saving a life?
It seems like the cops knew they should have gone in, but chose not to.
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Is dying while trying to save some car thief is any better?
Their job entails being there in a situation just like this one..... They failed as cops and as decent humans.
How does one die from diving in a lake anyway? Were the kids driving Christine? Was the big, bad car going to drown the cops?
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Firemen run into burning buildings.
I wouldn't want either job and am not judging. I'm asking out of morbid curiosity and hoping some reasonable post will find its way through all the inevitable racist shit. :)
I couldn't have gone in after them. I'd have a hard time going in after a soccer-mom and toddlers. I'm not a cop, though.
Big difference: Firemen are trained to fight fires.
Cops are not trained in underwater rescue operations.
Also, I read a statement from a firefighter that there are certain instances where they do not run into a burning building, depending on the context of the situation. Again, I just read this. Don't know how true it is.
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Anyone who drives an automobile into a body of water like an asshole needs to die. Dumb bitch.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7006412.stm
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How about this? Forget the circumstances (car theft, cops involved)....A car of people just drove into a lake, and the occupants are crying for help. A group of people witness the accident. Seeing this, wouldn't at least ONE of the group of witnesses make an attempt at saving a life?
It seems like the cops knew they should have gone in, but chose not to.
I did. I just happen to think that after a certain point, it isn't unreasonable for people in emergency services to say "Okay, we can't handle this, it will put too many people at risk. For instance, if a fire service comes across a totally engulfed building, I wouldn't find it unreasonable if they said "no, we're not going in, just keep they the hoses on it". Or if a cop came across a jumper, I wouldn't expect him to grab the guy if it seemed too risky.
If the cops honestly tried, and thought they were going to get trapped in quicksand, and drown, I'm not going to fault them.
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NOPE
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I did. I just happen to think that after a certain point, it isn't unreasonable for people in emergency services to say "Okay, we can't handle this, it will put too many people at risk. For instance, if a fire service comes across a totally engulfed building, I wouldn't find it unreasonable if they said "no, we're not going in, just keep they the hoses on it". Or if a cop came across a jumper, I wouldn't expect him to grab the guy if it seemed too risky.
If the cops honestly tried, and thought they were going to get trapped in quicksand, and drown, I'm not going to fault them.
No, of course not. But that's not what happened. The cops pondered the idea and decided not to make an attempt.
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The cops pondered the idea and decided not to make an attempt.
I would have been chuckling.....
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First, we don't know that any of them did or did not attempt to go in.
I've been involved in a similar call where a burglary suspect was attempting to evade units and ended up going into a pond. In this case it was also night time, dark and officers did make an attempt to get to the car unsuccessfully. The pond in our case wasn't like a swamp or marsh with thick muck and reeds like that one appeared to be. The car went under in a matter of about a minute.
In the current incident, it would likely be high risk low potential for success. To even get out to the car in that muck would likely be near impossible in any reasonable time to reach the vehicle. Then once it goes under the unlikelihood increases significantly. Had it been me, I believe I would have tried to get to the car but I also know that adding a dead officer to the tragedy wouldn't help so I would not suspend all caution and common sense in order to do it. I know I would feel bad about it. We can say they brought it on themselves, and that is true, but personally it would bother me. It was a property crime, and they died for it.
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Firemen run into burning buildings.
I wouldn't want either job and am not judging. I'm asking out of morbid curiosity and hoping some reasonable post will find its way through all the inevitable racist shit. :)
I couldn't have gone in after them. I'd have a hard time going in after a soccer-mom and toddlers. I'm not a cop, though.
i risked my lime to save a big doorman who was going to jump off a bridge
he knocked the officer i was with out cold after we wrestled him off
when we took him to hospital he attacked us again
put in a complaint that we had stolen his wallet and looked at him in a racist way
would i do it again sure i would
you are paid to protect and that includes saving people from themselves
however
why would you now when everyone gives you shit 24/7
ive said this before the police are taking from society
when society is amoral the police reflects that
the whole world is going down the shitter
public and public servants alike
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F them. Learn to swim.
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3 of them and not one could operate a door handle ???
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Good man. How much was in his wallet?
27 pounds good nights work
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It's not a cops job to save these people.
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Were they chocolate faces in the car?
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No, he should not have been required to run into a dark swamp - he could have easily drowned and he doesn't know what's coming at him.
BUT
he also should not have LIED and say he tried to save them. Just be honest. Lying cops make us good guys hate them. If you lie ONCE as a cop, your ass needs to be gone. Just move on to a job where you don't take an oath to follow a higher code of ethics and enjoy higher power and responsibility.
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Not knowing the full facts / circumstances is hard to say what I would of done.
Are cops expected to risk their own lives in such situations ? I doubt it.
A hard call - I don't see how the cops could or should be prosecuted.
I don't see that they broke any laws.
Morally who knows. Easy to say I would of done this or that, afterwards & when not actually there.
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Anyone who drives an automobile into a body of water like an asshole needs to die. Dumb bitch.
They were 15 and 16 year old girls.....Yes, it was a stupid move stealing a car, then ending up in a lake. That's not the story.....the story is that trained officers of the law chose not to act....then lied about it. In other words, they knew what they did (or didn't do) was wrong. Their inactions allowed children to die.
As far as your other comment "I would have chuckled...". Yeah, tough guy, I'm sure you would have. If it were your 15 year old child in that car and a group of first responders were on the scene, yet refused to act, you would be thinking differently. By your response, you're probably 16 years old yourself.
If that's the case, practice being a coward and apply to the police academy in a few years.......
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It was dark, the water was deep, there could have been gators, he didn't know if they had weapons. I don't like it, i'd prefer to see a hero, BUT i can accept he didn't do anything.
I don't LIKE his ongoing commentary about them being goners. Maybe he's in shock, which would explain the classless comments but make us wonder if he's built for field work.
LYING and saying he tried to help them is completely unacceptable. He's a piece of shit for trying to play the hero card when all he did was deliver unnecessary dark humor commentary as they drowned while he watched.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dashcam-footage-shows-fla-deputies-discussing-whether-to-rescue-girls-who-drowned-in-stolen-car/ar-BBs7xvC?ocid=spartanntp
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Dashcam Footage Shows Fla. Deputies Discussing Whether to Rescue Girls Who Drowned in Stolen Car
Dominique Battle, Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller all died after drowning in a stolen car.© Bay News 9 Screenshot Dominique Battle, Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller all died after drowning in a stolen car.
Dashcam footage released show that sheriff's deputies did not try to save three Florida teens who drowned after driving into a cemetery pond in a stolen car last month, Raw Story reports.
Dominque Battle, 16, and Ashaunti Butler and Laniya Miller, both 15, died on March 31, following a car chase with officers. The Pinellas County Sheriff's office had previously claimed that the deputies had taken off their gun belts and entered the pond once they realized that the girls were trapped inside. The officers, however, said that their feet sank in the bottom of the pond, causing them to deem any attempt at rescuing too risky.
Well, they were black so here comes the standard response regarding dindus and so on.
Would YOU risk your life for a thieving dindu?
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Well, they were black so here comes the standard response regarding dindus and so on.
Would YOU risk your life for a thieving dindu?
You think they would have gone in if the thieves were white?
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You think they would have gone in if the thieves were white?
In those waters? Don't think so.
As a police officer you'd have to make a quick split-second educated guess about the risks right on the spot, and you'd risk your life if the probability was a tad higher than dark murky gator-infested waters one would assume.
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Not knowing the full facts / circumstances is hard to say what I would of done.
Are cops expected to risk their own lives in such situations ? I doubt it.
A hard call - I don't see how the cops could or should be prosecuted.
I don't see that they broke any laws.
Morally who knows. Easy to say I would of done this or that, afterwards & when not actually there.
Would have/would've
HTH
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It was dark, the water was deep, there could have been gators, he didn't know if they had weapons. I don't like it, i'd prefer to see a hero, BUT i can accept he didn't do anything.
I don't LIKE his ongoing commentary about them being goners. Maybe he's in shock, which would explain the classless comments but make us wonder if he's built for field work.
LYING and saying he tried to help them is completely unacceptable. He's a piece of shit for trying to play the hero card when all he did was deliver unnecessary dark humor commentary as they drowned while he watched.
We can't say what they did or didn't do. I do think they fudged the story a bit, but we're just seeing a few seconds of angled dash cam footage. Who knows if they did something not on camera.
Also, if I were the parents, I'd offer the news some photos, so they wouldn't have to use my kid's mugshot as their final remembrance -
(http://askkissy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pizap.com14595291110831.jpg).
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Their skin colour/ethnicity doesn't make one bit of difference to me: I would NOT have risked my own life to save some delinquents.
Our planet is occupied with over seven billion humans. An individual needs to earn the privilege of being worthy of saving/effort. Otherwise, you're baggage to decent folk.
These girls made poor choices and their cards were quickly punched by nature. Their worthlessness will be replicated a thousand times over (trash reproduces at an alarming rate) during the brief moments it takes for them to cease to exist in that dark, murky pond.
Means nothing.
Their fate wasn't an accident born of innocence. They chose to be scum and now they're dead.
Fuck 'em.
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We can't say what they did or didn't do. I do think they fudged the story a bit, but we're just seeing a few seconds of angled dash cam footage. Who knows if they did something not on camera.
Also, if I were the parents, I'd offer the news some photos, so they wouldn't have to use my kid's mugshot as their final remembrance -
(http://askkissy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pizap.com14595291110831.jpg).
Parents should be asking themselves why the kids had mugshots in the first fucking place.
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yeah mugshots from a previous arrest..hmmmmmmmmm Unless you had water rescue equipment(lights,ropes,tanks,scuba gear) and were trained I would have done the same thing..what do you cophating idiots think under the police uniform they had there Scuba Steve suit on..come on get real..dark murky water,possible gators and you have no visibilty..cops only duty would have been to call water rescue teams..when cops need help(ie: hostage situations,bank robberies,barricaded perps) they call specialized cop units-(swat,esu,harbor,water rescue,hostage negotiator) these were only patrol cops
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Parents should be asking themselves why the kids had mugshots in the first fucking place.
Sure. I kept looking at them, hoping they were school pictures, or some such.
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Sure. I kept looking at them, hoping they were school pictures, or some such.
They'll never turn things around.
I'm pretty much torn on this one. I feel the cops had a duty to try but there's no way to ever know if the conditions were unsafe because of the lies.
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Parents should be asking themselves why the kids had mugshots in the first fucking place.
This.
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Parents should be asking themselves why the kids had mugshots in the first fucking place.
Exactly.
No sympathy here. Kids stole a car and the universe said, "No more."
Sucks, but you reap what you sow.
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This.
You're just love Toms
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This.
But they dindu nuffin, they was good girls, Michelle Obama about to hash tag for them
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Exactly.
No sympathy here. Kids stole a car and the universe said, "No more."
Sucks, but you reap what you so.
and even reap what you sow.
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The honest and simple answer is:
Only if they can do so safely. It is there duty to protect and serve. However, the officer's life safety comes first. If it puts his life in jeopardy, then no, they do not have to go in the water. Furthermore, most LEO's are not train in water rescue, firefighters and some medics are.
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and even reap what you sow.
Yes... plus "w".
:P
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That's not the story.....the story is that trained officers of the law chose not to act...
LEO's are not trained in still water or swift water rescue. They do not have the required equipment. Without a life vest, they would be putting their own lives in danger.
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Their skin colour/ethnicity doesn't make one bit of difference to me: I would NOT have risked my own life to save some delinquents.
Our planet is occupied with over seven billion humans. An individual needs to earn the privilege of being worthy of saving/effort. Otherwise, you're baggage to decent folk.
These girls made poor choices and their cards were quickly punched by nature. Their worthlessness will be replicated a thousand times over (trash reproduces at an alarming rate) during the brief moments it takes for them to cease to exist in that dark, murky pond.
Means nothing.
Their fate wasn't an accident born of innocence. They chose to be scum and now they're dead.
Fuck 'em.
Well said.
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They were 15 and 16 year old girls...
Your point being? Dumb line. Thats plenty old enough to use common sense/know what is right and wrong. People need to stop acting like just because you are young you are going to do something wrong and illegal. Just boys/girls being boys/girls....
You can make arguments but thats a very poor one to use as a reason.
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You're just love Toms
I'm not gay, LittleRacistJihad
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Would have/would've
HTH
Not really.
It's a Internet forum - Not a School English Class / Exam.
I'm sure there are plenty of Gramatical English Forums
That Would Appreciate your Help.
Why Not Go to one of Them & Display your talent.
HTH.
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The honest and simple answer is:
Only if they can do so safely. It is there duty to protect and serve. However, the officer's life safety comes first. If it puts his life in jeopardy, then no, they do not have to go in the water. Furthermore, most LEO's are not train in water rescue, firefighters and some medics are.
You'll never know the true risk level because they lied.
"He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much."
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and even reap what you sow.
Some actually reap what they sew.
Horrible and tragic event. I'd have to imagine those cops would have some remorse and felt helpless and are haunted by the cries for help.
You would think they would have tried to do something..... but again the unknown factors really play a major role. The gator issue is legit and maybe they couldn't swim, I sure hope there's more to the story than what's been released.
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Not really.
It's a Internet forum - Not a School English Class / Exam.
I'm sure there are plenty of Gramatical English Forums
That Would Appreciate your Help.
Why Not Go to one of Them & Display your talent.
HTH.
Would've
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3 of them and not one could operate a door handle ???
Next to impossible if the doors are underwater and the water pressure inside and outside the car hasn't had time to equalize.
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You'll never know the true risk level because they lied.
"He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much."
Just watched the video. It's night, they do not have life vests, they have no bounce dive training, and they have no command structure for a call of this nature. The risk level for them is high, and they have no business being within 10 feet of the shoreline.
This entire argument is about the same as seeing people trapped in a burning building and expecting the police to run in and save them. Again, they don't have the specific training, equipment, nor command structure for such an incident.
I for one commend these officers for not putting their lives at risk. Had they jumped in the water and got in trouble, then they would become the emergency.
Also, this is a good example of modern day natural selection. :D
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But the cop said he tried to save them.
He tried to get hero points.
Screw that.
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But the cop said he tried to save them.
He tried to get hero points.
Screw that.
Yep, douche move on the cops part. They should have just said, "It was too dangerous, so we didn't attempt a rescue."
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Not really.
It's a Internet forum - Not a School English Class / Exam.
I'm sure there are plenty of Gramatical English Forums
That Would Appreciate your Help.
Why Not Go to one of Them & Display your talent.
HTH.
Such a rudimentary mistake makes you appear to be an individual who hasn't attended school since the third grade.
Dipshit
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There's another video out. Looks like two deputies went in and tried to help.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sheriff-officers-didnt-stand-by-and-watch-teens-drown/ar-BBs8aLo?ocid=spartanntp
"ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — When three Florida teenagers stole a car, crashed it into a cemetery pond and then drowned, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri talked about his frustration, about lives "needlessly lost," and how the vehicle became a death chamber for the three girls.
Now, nearly a month after the tragedy, Gualtieri is angrily defending his agency against accusations that his officers didn't do enough to rescue the girls as the car sank in 15 feet of water. Bloggers, some TV stations and comedian D.L. Hughley have posted about the March 30 incident that claimed the lives of two 15-year-olds and a 16-year-old from St. Petersburg.
"Police caught on tape watching girls die. They didn't even try to help. Just watched. Sickening," Hughley wrote Friday morning on Facebook. His post had more than 5,000 reactions and 7,000 shares.
The posted dashcam video, which Gualtieri said was a "misleadingly" edited version of the original, shows the scene and includes audio of some of the officers. One deputy comments that he thinks he hears screams coming from the car and another says, "They are done. They are sig-7 dude." Signal 7 is law enforcement code to indicate a fatality. Commenters on Facebook widely criticized the deputies for not going into the water and trying to save the people inside the sinking car.
Later Friday, Gualtieri posted a different dashcam video from a second cruiser on the department's Facebook page showing two officers walking by with clothes in hand. Gualtieri said that deputies waded into the water and tried to save the girls — and that the video proves it.
"Unfortunately, there's a false narrative that's being spread by people on social media," he said. "We're unfortunately in a society today that if it's not on video, then it didn't happen."
On one of many videos reviewed by The Associated Press on Friday, a camera captures a police cruiser driving to the pond, behind several other police cars. It parks, and then eight minutes later, a deputy in a black shirt walks in front of the camera, holding clothing in his hand. Seconds later, another deputy, in a tank top and holding a uniform, walks in front of the cruiser.
Officials say those two deputies attempted to enter the water but retreated due to safety concerns.
"The vehicle began listing forward, at which point, I took off my duty belt and attempted to swim out to the vehicle," wrote Deputy Logan Tromer, who is also on the Sheriff's Office dive team but who happened to be working the night shift. "I made it approximately 10-15 yards out; however, at this point the vehicle was facing front bumper down and was completely submerged within seconds. Due to the unknown depth, thick vegetation and officer safety concerns, I had no choice but to exit the water and suspend my rescue efforts."
According to deputies, Dominique Battle, 16, Ashaunti Butler, 15, and Laniya Miller, 15, drowned after they stole a gold Honda Accord from a Pinellas County Walmart parking lot. Though the county sheriff's rules forbid deputies from chasing stolen vehicles, some officers were trailing the car when the car plunged into a pond off a sharp turn in the road around 4 a.m. the next morning.
The Sheriff's Office does not have a policy about officers rescuing people in the water; a spokesman said it's up to the individual deputy at the time of the call.
Gualtieri told The Associated Press that the girls had seven arrests between them in the past year for auto theft, and that he's upset by not only the girls' deaths but an auto theft "epidemic" in the county.
"Don't put it on us. We didn't do anything wrong," he added.
A lawyer for the girls' family did not return a call for comment. Earlier, she told local news media that some of the officials' original statements about the deputies' actions were misleading."
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There's another video out. Looks like two deputies went in and tried to help.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sheriff-officers-didnt-stand-by-and-watch-teens-drown/ar-BBs8aLo?ocid=spartanntp
"ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — When three Florida teenagers stole a car, crashed it into a cemetery pond and then drowned, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri talked about his frustration, about lives "needlessly lost," and how the vehicle became a death chamber for the three girls.
Now, nearly a month after the tragedy, Gualtieri is angrily defending his agency against accusations that his officers didn't do enough to rescue the girls as the car sank in 15 feet of water. Bloggers, some TV stations and comedian D.L. Hughley have posted about the March 30 incident that claimed the lives of two 15-year-olds and a 16-year-old from St. Petersburg.
"Police caught on tape watching girls die. They didn't even try to help. Just watched. Sickening," Hughley wrote Friday morning on Facebook. His post had more than 5,000 reactions and 7,000 shares.
The posted dashcam video, which Gualtieri said was a "misleadingly" edited version of the original, shows the scene and includes audio of some of the officers. One deputy comments that he thinks he hears screams coming from the car and another says, "They are done. They are sig-7 dude." Signal 7 is law enforcement code to indicate a fatality. Commenters on Facebook widely criticized the deputies for not going into the water and trying to save the people inside the sinking car.
Later Friday, Gualtieri posted a different dashcam video from a second cruiser on the department's Facebook page showing two officers walking by with clothes in hand. Gualtieri said that deputies waded into the water and tried to save the girls — and that the video proves it.
"Unfortunately, there's a false narrative that's being spread by people on social media," he said. "We're unfortunately in a society today that if it's not on video, then it didn't happen."
On one of many videos reviewed by The Associated Press on Friday, a camera captures a police cruiser driving to the pond, behind several other police cars. It parks, and then eight minutes later, a deputy in a black shirt walks in front of the camera, holding clothing in his hand. Seconds later, another deputy, in a tank top and holding a uniform, walks in front of the cruiser.
Officials say those two deputies attempted to enter the water but retreated due to safety concerns.
"The vehicle began listing forward, at which point, I took off my duty belt and attempted to swim out to the vehicle," wrote Deputy Logan Tromer, who is also on the Sheriff's Office dive team but who happened to be working the night shift. "I made it approximately 10-15 yards out; however, at this point the vehicle was facing front bumper down and was completely submerged within seconds. Due to the unknown depth, thick vegetation and officer safety concerns, I had no choice but to exit the water and suspend my rescue efforts."
According to deputies, Dominique Battle, 16, Ashaunti Butler, 15, and Laniya Miller, 15, drowned after they stole a gold Honda Accord from a Pinellas County Walmart parking lot. Though the county sheriff's rules forbid deputies from chasing stolen vehicles, some officers were trailing the car when the car plunged into a pond off a sharp turn in the road around 4 a.m. the next morning.
The Sheriff's Office does not have a policy about officers rescuing people in the water; a spokesman said it's up to the individual deputy at the time of the call.
Gualtieri told The Associated Press that the girls had seven arrests between them in the past year for auto theft, and that he's upset by not only the girls' deaths but an auto theft "epidemic" in the county.
"Don't put it on us. We didn't do anything wrong," he added.
A lawyer for the girls' family did not return a call for comment. Earlier, she told local news media that some of the officials' original statements about the deputies' actions were misleading."
So, admit that you were wrong. You stated, "We will never know the true risk level since they lied."
Obviously, risk level has absolutely nothing to do with it, and they are NOT required to go into waters to save lives (its up to the individual deputy). So, even if there was minimal risk, they are not required. Hell, their lives do not even have to be in jeopardy; water rescues are not even in the policy.
Given that florida waters are infested with gators, it was night, they waters are often murky and filled with sludge, and the fact that they are not thoroughly trained in underwater rescue operations, they had every right to stay out of the waters.
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So, admit that you were wrong. You stated, "We will never know the true risk level since they lied."
Obviously, risk level has absolutely nothing to do with it, and they are NOT required to go into waters to save lives (its up to the individual deputy). So, even if there was minimal risk, they are not required. Hell, their lives do not even have to be in jeopardy; water rescues are not even in the policy.
Given that florida waters are infested with gators, it was night, they waters are often murky and filled with sludge, and the fact that they are not thoroughly trained in underwater rescue operations, they had every right to stay out of the waters.
If the reports weren't falsified, I'm wrong.
I work in Tampa and have only seen 2 baby gators.
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If the reports weren't falsified, I'm wrong.
I work in Tampa and have only seen 2 baby gators.
Even without the gators, the police ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENGAGE IN WATER RESCUES!! You're wrong. Plain and simple.
Even without the gators, an under water rescue mission at night, without proper training, is still dangerous to the officers. They have every right not to put their lives at risk. Hell, they are not even required to do; its up to the individual officer/deputy at the time. It's okay if you do not want to admit you're wrong.
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They'll never turn things around.
I'm pretty much torn on this one. I feel the cops had a duty to try but there's no way to ever know if the conditions were unsafe because of the lies.
Even without the gators, the police ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENGAGE IN WATER RESCUES!! You're wrong. Plain and simple.
Even without the gators, an under water rescue mission at night, without proper training, is still dangerous to the officers. They have every right not to put their lives at risk. Hell, they are not even required to do; its up to the individual officer/deputy at the time. It's okay if you do not want to admit you're wrong.
Tough to say what most people would do in that situation, especially considering whoever's drowning is less than sympathetic.
I wrote "feel" because the comment was about my feelings, LOL! I'd feel obligated to try helping their stupid asses if a cop. That's one of the reasons I'd never want the job. The officers' feelings are their own. If you feel I'm wrong that's fine, too.
I hope the unedited tape shows more. That being said, it's kind typical for us to be away from the original post topic and debating police policy. :)
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Tough to say what most people would do in that situation, especially considering whoever's drowning is less than sympathetic.
I wrote "feel" because the comment was about my feelings, LOL! I'd feel obligated to try helping their stupid asses if a cop. That's one of the reasons I'd never want the job. The officers' feelings are their own. If you feel I'm wrong that's fine, too.
I hope the unedited tape shows more. That being said, it's kind typical for us to be away from the original post topic and debating police policy. :)
If you tell him that he's right, he'll stfu. ;)
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Let's quit the beta, whiney, feel-good horseshit.
If these girls had lived, they would have caused heartache, problem, money, and resources. Their existence was a liability to the peace, safety and lawfulness of Floridian residents.
It's best they're dead.
(And let's be real. If it was the opposite way, those girls would have hip-hop-rapped their brew joy that "Dem pigs are done". The officers's lives are worth substantially more than those of the no-goods.)
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Tough to say what most people would do in that situation, especially considering whoever's drowning is less than sympathetic.
I wrote "feel" because the comment was about my feelings, LOL! I'd feel obligated to try helping their stupid asses if a cop. That's one of the reasons I'd never want the job. The officers' feelings are their own. If you feel I'm wrong that's fine, too.
I hope the unedited tape shows more. That being said, it's kind typical for us to be away from the original post topic and debating police policy. :)
Um, no. You wrote, "You'll never know the true risk level because they lied." In response to Twaddle saying that if the risk is too high, they are not required to attempt to save a life.
Clearly, protocol indirectly dictates that police officers are not required to engage in underwater rescue operations. This is in direct contrast to your statement that "youll never know the true risk level because they lied." You were implying that risk level mattered. Risk level has absolutely nothing to do with it, since they are not required to make underwater rescue operations. What don't you understand? ??? ??? ???
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If the reports weren't falsified, I'm wrong.
I work in Tampa and have only seen 2 baby gators.
I've lived in FL awhile and have seen 10+ gators have to get removed from ponds just on people's property. All have been 5-8 foot
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Even without the gators, the police ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENGAGE IN WATER RESCUES!! You're wrong. Plain and simple.
Even without the gators, an under water rescue mission at night, without proper training, is still dangerous to the officers. They have every right not to put their lives at risk. Hell, they are not even required to do; its up to the individual officer/deputy at the time. It's okay if you do not want to admit you're wrong.
LOL
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No, he should not have been required to run into a dark swamp - he could have easily drowned and he doesn't know what's coming at him.
BUT
he also should not have LIED and say he tried to save them. Just be honest. Lying cops make us good guys hate them. If you lie ONCE as a cop, your ass needs to be gone. Just move on to a job where you don't take an oath to follow a higher code of ethics and enjoy higher power and responsibility.
Cops can't tell the truth. Even if it's not their fault.
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If you tell him that he's right, he'll stfu. ;)
Wouldn't "STFU, I don't think I'm wrong." be more respectful?
It's bad enough we're expected to placate women (over trivial shit) so they shut up. :)
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So the people inside couldn't open the door, but the cops could have?
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Wouldn't "STFU, I don't think I'm wrong." be more respectful?
It's bad enough we're expected to placate women (over trivial shit) so they shut up. :)
I found treating him like a woman keeps him pretty quiet. :)
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Such a rudimentary mistake makes you appear to be an individual who hasn't attended school since the third grade.
Dipshit
I see you think Quite The Hero on Here Big Fella.
And Like to Be The Big Man. ::)
For such an educated Man you Have to Resort to Childish Name calling
Speaks Volumes about your Pompous Intellect.
It's a Internet Board -- Not a Class Room.
Try & Understand that not everyone bothers to check their spelling
or Grammer when posting.
I will liken you to a Cloaca.
Good Day.
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Their skin colour/ethnicity doesn't make one bit of difference to me: I would NOT have risked my own life to save some delinquents.
Our planet is occupied with over seven billion humans. An individual needs to earn the privilege of being worthy of saving/effort. Otherwise, you're baggage to decent folk.
These girls made poor choices and their cards were quickly punched by nature. Their worthlessness will be replicated a thousand times over (trash reproduces at an alarming rate) during the brief moments it takes for them to cease to exist in that dark, murky pond.
Means nothing.
Their fate wasn't an accident born of innocence. They chose to be scum and now they're dead.
Fuck 'em.
IRL we'd probably be best friends. I tend to always agree with your way of thinking.
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So the people inside couldn't open the door, but the cops could have?
Pressure in the car would build up making it almost impossible for the young girls to open the door. They most likely would have had to smash the window with something to get it to shatter. At their age they probably wouldn't know this. Police also probably would have had to do that. Once that car starts sinking, it would probably be less than 30 seconds before the girls drowned. The cops only choice would have been to smash it with their flashlight. Billy club probably wouldn't have worked. I don't think the cops did anything wrong here. They know as soon as that car goes under, people in it are toast unless they can get themselves out. We've all watched too many movies where a car goes under for minutes and the person in the car is holding their breathe trying to get out. That just isn't going to happen in the real world. These girls most likely had next to no time to think(because of their age) and went instantly into a panic. It's tragic but I don't think anything could have been done.
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Interesting question DrK. My brother was a police officer and a diver for the force. He did search and rescue all the time. The armchair types who criticize the police never fail to amaze me.
My brother had to go on a search and rescue of a car driven off a bridge into a river. He geared up, dove in, and said it was so bad he couldn't see his hand in front of him. Meanwhile there were strong currents so my brother was tethered to a rope held by other officers on shore.
He managed to find the car but no body, until he turned to go back and he hit the floating corpse face to face. He said he nearly went into shock.
Water rescues are among the most dangerous of all. You have to deal with water pressure, currents, visibility and lots of other unforeseen conditions.
As for these comments "A firefighter will run into a burning building" - umm - all depends. In my old home city 5 guys lost their life doing that. Just because you are a public servant doesn't mean you have to risk your life every day.
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I'm not gay, LittleRacistJihad
I meant Uncle Toms! Did you attend the KKK rally at Stone Mountain Park?
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IRL we'd probably be best friends. I tend to always agree with your way of thinking.
:)
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I see you think Quite The Hero on Here Big Fella.
And Like to Be The Big Man. ::)
For such an educated Man you Have to Resort to Childish Name calling
Speaks Volumes about your Pompous Intellect.
It's a Internet Board -- Not a Class Room.
Try & Understand that not everyone bothers to check their spelling
or Grammer when posting.
I will liken you to a Cloaca.
Good Day.
With every post/rebuttal, you come off as an even bigger idiot.
P.S. "Have/haven't"
HTH
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Sometimes when you jump to conclusions your credibility jumps the shark.
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Sometimes when you jump to conclusions your credibility jumps the shark.
It's a tad much to read so you may have missed it but there's no sharks in these waters only gators.
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It's a pond. Yes, they should have 'risked their lives' by swimming 10 yards and diving a full 15 feet.
Can none of you people swim or something?
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With every post/rebuttal, you come off as an even bigger idiot.
P.S. "Have/haven't"
HTH
Yes Mr Cloaca.
As you Really Do Not Come Across as Pathetic.
I think I will deliberately make more mistakes just to annoy You.
;)
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With every post/rebuttal, you come off as an even bigger idiot.
P.S. "Have/haven't"
'For such an educated Man you Haven't to Resort to Childish Name calling'
If you say so.
:D
HTH
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Not in this case.
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It's a tad much to read so you may have missed it but there's no sharks in these waters only gators.
I did read it ( ;) )and in fact my comment was meant to counteract the conjecture of the OP with regard to the officers having lied about efforts to rescue the girls.
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It's a pond. Yes, they should have 'risked their lives' by swimming 10 yards and diving a full 15 feet.
Can none of you people swim or something?
I can't. But that has nothing to do with this, does it?
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Policemen should've turned them into bulletsponges before even making it into the pont.
Lungs filled with lead should've been the cause of death, not lungs filled with water.
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Their job entails being there in a situation just like this one..... They failed as cops and as decent humans.
How does one die from diving in a lake anyway? Were the kids driving Christine? Was the big, bad car going to drown the cops?
LOL! You act like these cops grabbed three innocent little girls and threw them into quick sand!
BTW , Dr chimps is well pleased with your prognosis of the situation. Seeing as you're a product of the white liberals creation.
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It's a pond. Yes, they should have 'risked their lives' by swimming 10 yards and diving a full 15 feet.
Can none of you people swim or something?
you act like they were going to take a dip at the local neighborhood swimming pool on a July afternoon.
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Question: How many lives did the officers actually SAVE by not helping these "dindu nuffins"?
If these girls got saved, did time and got out... how many more crimes would they commit? How many people's lives would they have affected? How many children were not born into this baby daddy' parenting situation? How many crimes would those children have grown up to commit?
Those cops saves hundreds of families and lives that day....
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Question: How many lives did the officers actually SAVE by not helping these "dindu nuffins"?
If these girls got saved, did time and got out... how many more crimes would they commit? How many people's lives would they have affected? How many children were not born into this baby daddy' parenting situation? How many crimes would those children have grown up to commit?
Those cops saves hundreds of families and lives that day....
Perhaps only the upper class (rich, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc...) should have police protection and nature can run its course everywhere else.
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I meant Uncle Toms! Did you attend the KKK rally at Stone Mountain Park?
Too busy. You hit up a BLM riot "rally" lately?
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Cops and firemen are not paid to commit suicide. If they think the odds are so stacked against them they will normally side with not giving their lives. Yes, a responsible Chief will not send his men into a burning inferno if he doesn't believe they will make it out. I don't know the area but have you ever dealt with mud in a pond? It can trap you and a shifting sinking car can trap you. I don't want to Monday morning quarterback their actions.
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Policemen should've turned them into bulletsponges before even making it into the pont.
Lungs filled with lead should've been the cause of death, not lungs filled with water.
Thick as shit in the neck of a bottle. I could imagine you live in a backward East European village where you are all inter bred Mongrels. :D
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Cops and firemen are not paid to commit suicide. If they think the odds are so stacked against them they will normally side with not giving their lives. Yes, a responsible Chief will not send his men into a burning inferno if he doesn't believe they will make it out. I don't know the area but have you ever dealt with mud in a pond? It can trap you and a shifting sinking car can trap you. I don't want to Monday morning quarterback their actions.
Good post rich..
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Thick as shit in the neck of a bottle. I could imagine you live in a backward East European village where you are all inter bred Mongrels. :D
Donny, you already outed yourself as a bigmouth fag living in a delusional world of his own making. By all accounts the fact that you're even alive to this day is nothing short but a miracle; for any sane parent or doctor would've drowned you at birth and burned your familytree with it. The fact that no one has to this day is surprising, but doesn't mean post-natal abortion isn't still a viable option.
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Donny, you already outed yourself as a bigmouth fag living in a delusional world of his own making. By all accounts the fact that you're even alive to this day is nothing short but a miracle; for any sane parent or doctor would've drowned you at birth and burned your familytree with it. The fact that no one has to this day is surprising, but doesn't mean post-natal abortion isn't still a viable option.
an inter bred Mongrel Dog That´s why you are so Backward. Keep it in the Family .. :D
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an inter bred Mongrel Dog That´s why you are so Backward. Keep it in the Family .. :D
You're the one morelikely to be of inbred offspring. Doubt your scared little ass gets out of town much.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here Donny, everything you write emits inferiority and insecurity.
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No, he should not have been required to run into a dark swamp - he could have easily drowned and he doesn't know what's coming at him.
BUT
he also should not have LIED and say he tried to save them. Just be honest. Lying cops make us good guys hate them. If you lie ONCE as a cop, your ass needs to be gone. Just move on to a job where you don't take an oath to follow a higher code of ethics and enjoy higher power and responsibility.
You know that feeling?..that one where you've been somewhere before? Like for example you jump to a conclusion before all the information is available that someone lied..and then later more video emerges that shows they didn't lie? What's that called? Other than "A day in the life of 240" it has another name.. just can't remember it. I'm sure it will come to me
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You know that feeling?..that one where you've been somewhere before? Like for example you jump to a conclusion before all the information is available that someone lied..and then later more video emerges that shows they didn't lie? What's that called? Other than "A day in the life of 240" it has another name.. just can't remember it. I'm sure it will come to me
Lack of oversight? Transparency? ::)
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Lack of oversight? Transparency? ::)
no.....not that..
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no.....not that..
Turn off your body cam, and post.
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Pretty obvious they thought they were dead at that point....
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Looks like another win for modern technology. Without audio, the pigs would not only have gotten away with their obvious neglect of duty, they would have probably shown their muddy shoes and be praised for heroics...."Look, Sarge....ma boots are dirty for tryin to save the youngins....duh." Dumb fuckers can't even figure out they are being recorded.
Now, hopefully they will be fired and sued in civil court.
I don't get it....You rip cops continually and now you want them to risk their lives to save you and your people....which is it?
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The average cop in my neck of the woods has problems running a sub 10 minute mile
I'd absolutely LOVE to see them try to rescue anything other than themselves in a dark swamp
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I don't get it....You rip cops continually and now you want them to risk their lives to save you and your people....which is it?
"You and your people" lol.... I'm not black, teenaged, or a poorly skilled driver who steals cars. I'm guessing your comment is a veiled racist comment. Keep the veil on, because if you said the same thing to a black guy (or woman) they would probably beat your ass....
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You're the one morelikely to be of inbred offspring. Doubt your scared little ass gets out of town much.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here Donny, everything you write emits inferiority and insecurity.
Dumber than Dumb.. 8)
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It's always amusing to see people bashing the police (or otherwise) for failure to act, or acting too much.
The problem with this is that hindsight is always so much easier. You have all the time in the world to nitpick small little details which people at the time may have missed. To sit behind your desk, searching for other such instances, and drawing parallels which may indeed be correct, but not necessarily applicable.
Look at governments, look at agencies. There is so much pressure to do what is 'right' while in reality situations are often not so binary in; black and white. But rather a much more complex different shades of grey. Facing both political and public backlash following split moment decisions with limited information available.
Ask yourself what you would have done, would you have ran in? Would you have risked your life? It's in everyone's nature to do or say what is deemed right in the eye of the public, and extensive research has gone into such behaviour. The reality is that many act different than they say. Sure, if you assume that government workers should be upheld to a higher standard and more committed to protect and serve than others, where does this logic end? When does this logic override the right to live and protect oneself? There is no social contract committing one person to give their own live for another.
The behavior of the officers, whether or not they made any attempts, is very much understandable. Just like it understandable for the young girls to panic and attempt to flee following their infraction. As such it is not really a question of right and wrong, but more about the interplay of circumstance and understanding the (ir)rational behind decisions.
Would have and should have scenario's for the most part are endless biased discussions, culminating in nothing more than endless discussions in absence of clear evidence and information.
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Dumber than Dumb.. 8)
Donny, if you're going to introduce gradations to levels of being dumb; please consider you're likened to the intellect of a vegetable.
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"You and your people" lol.... I'm not black, teenaged, or a poorly skilled driver who steals cars. I'm guessing your comment is a veiled racist comment. Keep the veil on, because if you said the same thing to a black guy (or woman) they would probably beat your ass....
Don't be ashamed to be Black...be proud of your Race.
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"You and your people" lol.... I'm not black, teenaged, or a poorly skilled driver who steals cars. I'm guessing your comment is a veiled racist comment. Keep the veil on, because if you said the same thing to a black guy (or woman) they would probably beat your ass....
My bad, i've always thought you were one of the blacks.
My apologies for insulting you.
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:D :D :D
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Don't be ashamed to be Black...be proud of your Race.
You capitalized the word "black." It's not only wrong and stupid....it shows you have respect and most likely fear of the black man. If not fear, envy.
I'm guessing you secretly want Bill Cosby to pill you up and fuck your filthy shit pipe. Furthermore, you definitely masturbated often to Good Times as a weak, sickly, fatherless child.
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You capitalized the word "black." It's not only wrong and stupid....it shows you have respect and most likely fear of the black man. If not fear, envy.
I'm guessing you secretly want Bill Cosby to pill you up and fuck your filthy shit pipe. Furthermore, you definitely masterbated often to Good Times as a weak, sickly, fatherless child.
You think he craves the BBC?
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You think he craves the BBC?
Indeed......
Why, I bet this chocolate pole smoker frequents department store restrooms trolling for the infected, dark meat his mouth and anus crave....
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Indeed......
Why, I bet this chocolate pole smoker frequents department store restrooms trolling for the infected, dark meat his mouth and anus crave....
Makes sense.
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Personally I don't think The police knew these guys were black in the first place but the black community will try use racism as a reason they weren't saved and try get a few quid from the city/police department.
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Indeed......
Why, I bet this chocolate pole smoker frequents department store restrooms trolling for the infected, dark meat his mouth and anus crave....
Why are you ashamed to admit you are Black?
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Why are you ashamed to admit you are Black?
Stop hitting on me, you wrinkled mudshark.
Now grab some lube, turn on BET, and get cranking.
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"You and your people" lol.... I'm not black, teenaged, or a poorly skilled driver who steals cars. I'm guessing your comment is a veiled racist comment. Keep the veil on, because if you said the same thing to a black guy (or woman) they would probably beat your ass....
::)
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Karma is a bitch...lol
Idiots got what they deserved-
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you can tell deacon is typing with a police baton up his ass
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you can tell deacon is typing with a police baton up his ass
Of course I am, pig.
Just because you play "Taste test" with your blue butt brothers doesn't mean everyone does.
Hey pigmc, does lowly traffic cop ass taste different than incompetent detective colon? Hahahahaha...
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Of course I am, pig.
Just because you play "Taste test" with your blue butt brothers doesn't mean everyone does.
Hey pigmc, does lowly traffic cop ass taste different than incompetent detective colon? Hahahahaha...
You would never say that to a cops face.
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You would never say that to a cops face.
Correct....you should never talk to a cop.
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No.
Death is an accepted part of the risk when it comes to robbery or theft.
We all make our own decisions.
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Aside from the moral duty of care all members of society have towards one another, public servants have a professional duty of care towards all members of the public. So without doubt, from a legal standpoint, if they were able to save them, they should have.
Only the people who were actually there will ever know if it was reasonable or possible however.
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i risked my lime to save a big doorman who was going to jump off a bridge
he knocked the officer i was with out cold after we wrestled him off
when we took him to hospital he attacked us again
put in a complaint that we had stolen his wallet and looked at him in a racist way
would i do it again sure i would
you are paid to protect and that includes saving people from themselves
however
why would you now when everyone gives you shit 24/7
ive said this before the police are taking from society
when society is amoral the police reflects that
the whole world is going down the shitter
public and public servants alike
I bet the "Big" Doorman either beat you both up or you ran away and let your mate get a Beating. Tell the truth Ginger. Was a Good story though ::)
Probably why they kicked you out.
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Correct....you should never talk to a cop.
you wouldnt dare
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Correct....you should never talk to a cop.
Deep. I suppose in the circles in which you jerk, people wait until they first speak with their barrister.
Yes, I am pro law enforcement. Not all cops are "bad" but I would wager that the vast majority of those in jail did something wrong (i.e., against the law) to put themselves there.
Please think before you type, young man.
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Correct....you should never talk to a cop.
Nah, you just don't have the sack.
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Nah, you just don't have the sack.
::) That's your opinion......which isn't worth a hill of shit to me.
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::) That's your opinion......which isn't worth a hill of shit to me.
Need a tissue?
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I'm not jumping into a dark, murky, gator-filled swamp for anyone except my fucking family. Who gives a shit about three scumbags who were just going to be a drain on society their entire lives anyway.
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::) That's your opinion......which isn't worth a hill of shit to me.
do you need a hug munchkin
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I'm not jumping into a dark, murky, gator-filled swamp for anyone except my fucking family. Who gives a shit about three scumbags who were just going to be a drain on society their entire lives anyway.
I empathize with this, but I'm wondering why those cops aren't facing any penalties for lying about their response.
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I empathize with this, but I'm wondering why those cops aren't facing any penalties for lying about their response.
I think there was a second video that proved they didn't lie. Two of the officers actually went into the water after the girls, but had to retreat for their own safety.
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I think there was a second video that proved they didn't lie. Two of the officers actually went into the water after the girls, but had to retreat for their own safety.
The second video is irrelevant to some. It doesn't fit their preconceived notion so they will ignore it.
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The second video is irrelevant to some. It doesn't fit their preconceived notion so they will ignore it.
You talk way too farking much. Rent-a-cop?
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You talk way too farking much. Rent-a-cop?
If you are addressing me, you need to either start or end your question with "Sir".
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I'm not jumping into a dark, murky, gator-filled swamp for anyone except my fucking family. Who gives a shit about three scumbags who were just going to be a drain on society their entire lives anyway.
But those police officers did.
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this black commentator has a perspective you wouldn't expect.
and this follow up
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It is their fucking job. Want a easy job? Dont be a cop.
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Were they chocolate faces in the car?
Ashaunti? Gtr... cannot even copy a ghetto name correctly. Like spelling "I" wrong. O don't know wtf these people are thinking.
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It is their fucking job. Want a easy job? Dont be a cop.
I disagree. I think it's their duty to weigh the risks, and if there is a reasonable chance of success, then attempt it risking your life. Even if the risk is at the 50/50 point I think depending on the circumstances, it's their duty to risk it. Often times cops will take the risk with a lot worse odds. In this particular circumstance, I think it's been reported they did attempt to rescue them and it was unsuccessful. IN this circumstance, I don't think it was their job to die in vain
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I disagree. I think it's their duty to weigh the risks, and if there is a reasonable chance of success, then attempt it risking your life. Even if the risk is at the 50/50 point I think depending on the circumstances, it's their duty to risk it. Often times cops will take the risk with a lot worse odds. In this particular circumstance, I think it's been reported they did attempt to rescue them and it was unsuccessful. IN this circumstance, I don't think it was their job to die in vain
No, their isn't risk management. Their job is saving lives.
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Should? If based solely on opinion: who cares?
Morally: no.
Ethically: no
Legally: no ("[Police do] not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm:" http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html).
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No, their isn't risk management. Their job is saving lives.
From a moralistic standpoint, you may have a point.
However, from a legal and contractual standpoint, I am not too sure this holds up. From what I have read (and I could be wrong), cops and/or fireman could refuse to enter a situation where death is imminent. And as the police commissioner said in the video, there is no policy surrounding underwater rescue missions. As such, if a cop believes that he will die during an underwater rescue, then he has a right to decline to attempt to save a life (as defined by the law and his contract). Now, does this make it the best moral choice? Well, that's a whole other discussion.
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From a moralistic standpoint, you may have a point.
However, from a legal and contractual standpoint, I am not too sure this holds up. From what I have read (and I could be wrong), cops and/or fireman could refuse to enter a situation where death is imminent. And as the police commissioner said in the video, there is no policy surrounding underwater rescue missions. As such, if a cop believes that he will die during an underwater rescue, then he has a right to decline to attempt to save a life (as defined by the law and his contract). Now, does this make it the best moral choice? Well, that's a whole other discussion.
I'm a moral person. I believe I make a habit of treating people with respect and doing the right thing regardless of if someone is watching or not. I'm also a police officer who feels it is my job to protect citizens and put my life in harms way in order to do so. If for example, a shooter or shooters were in a school randomly shooting people I would not hesitate to enter the building and head towards the shooting. I may get shot but I may not. If a house is burning and there is someone inside I would try and save them. I may get killed, I may not. However if the house is completely engulfed in flames and there is no chance of my surviving or saving them, I would not. If gang members were having a shootout over drugs in a warehouse, I would wait until the shooting stopped before entering. There are a thousand scenarios where I would risk my life to help someone, but there are quite a few where I would not. Someone who drives through a low water crossing during a flood and is not swept away down a raging river.. I'm not jumping in. 3 people steal a car, elude from me, put others at risk with their driving, then drive off into a pond at night... I would probably try but at the less than 50/50 chance of success would have no problem sleeping at night if I deemed it to high risk low reward to continue the attempt.
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Libtards want it all. They laugh at the idea of Jesus of Nazareth's words on there being no greater gift than to lay down your life for a friend, but demand that law enforcement (whom they despise) give up their lives for trash.
You can't have it both ways unless you're bisexual or bipolar. Libtards are definitely the latter and think the former is just fine too. There is no valid reason to lose your life for one already wasted. Stupid liberals.
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I'm No Great Supporter of Most Cop's.
As Agnostic will tell you.
But No Why Would They Risk Their own Lives in a Situation where they
Were Highly Unlikely to be of any help - Possibly Lose Their own Lives.
That would just add to more uneccasary Death & Suffring To Families.
They made the right decision.
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Libtards want it all. They laugh at the idea of Jesus of Nazareth's words on there being no greater gift than to lay down your life for a friend, but demand that law enforcement (whom they despise) give up their lives for trash.
You can't have it both ways unless you're bisexual or bipolar. Libtards are definitely the latter and think the former is just fine too. There is no valid reason to lose your life for one already wasted. Stupid liberals.
They were kids, man. 16 yo or something. You never did anything stupid when you were a teenager?
I drove like a friggin maniac the year I got my licence. I regarded the laws of physics more as guidelines. That I ever made it to 17 and didn't kill anyone else is proof of a benevolent and interventionist Jesus.
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I'm pretty certain a cop inadvertently saved my life at the age of 16.
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How do you know their parents did not attempt to discipline them? Were you there? No, you weren't. There are MANY parents who try VERY hard to discipline their children, but unfortunately, it never works. There is this weird misperception that discipline will automatically lead to good behavior. Wrong. There are TONS AND TONS of parents who bust their ass for their children, attempting to do everything for them. For whatever reason, these kids stay on the wrong course, independent of what the parents do.
For someone so old and "wise," you really have a limited worldview. Just being honest, broskie.
The evidence of their record says otherwise. If you don't care for what I say, fine. But to ignore the evidence of their police record is to show yourself to be either trolling sans a lure or just sympathetic to the dregs of society. Continue if you wish as your thoughts (such as they appear to be on this subject in particular) don't make my words any less true.
I will say that you are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeally trying lately.
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I'm pretty certain a cop inadvertently saved my life at the age of 16.
He was driving drunk and accidentally ran over the Klansmen crossing the road to your place, knocked the one with the cross through a basement window, and the cross ended up in the dude's backside? It's like a Tarantino movie.
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It doesn't matter how much she stole, it matters what she didn't do. ::)
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