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22 minute listen, or read the text.
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/
Black lives matter. We hear it all the time from the Democratic Party, so much so that it even made the themes of the Black Lives Matter movement a key component of its official party platform:
Democrats will fight to end institutional and systemic racism in our society. We will challenge and dismantle the structures that define lasting racial, economic, political, and social inequity. Democrats will promote racial justice through fair, just, and equitable governing of all public-serving institutions and in the formation of public policy. Democrats support removing the Confederate battle flag from public properties, recognizing that it is a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future. We will push for a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and that there is no place for racism in our country.
But do black lives really matter to Democrats? And have Democrats really been fighting to end institutional and systemic racism in society?
Or have they merely used the Black Lives Matter movement to provide them with cover after decades of utterly failing the black lives that they have governed almost without interruption for more than a half century?
Read more: http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/#ixzz4Fpvy8f1j
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Black votes matter.
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If any of you follow sports, you'll know who I'm talking about. One time Stephen A Smith said that blacks should all vote republican in the next election. He said democrats know they have their vote no matter what so they don't do anything to really help them. He said it would turn the tide. I think there is some truth to it.
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If any of you follow sports, you'll know who I'm talking about. One time Stephen A Smith said that blacks should all vote republican in the next election. He said democrats know they have their vote no matter what so they don't do anything to really help them. He said it would turn the tide. I think there is some truth to it.
watch the documentary called runaway slave it is about a black minister that turns republican and the blacks turn on him very good documentary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_Slave_(film)
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22 minute listen, or read the text.
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/
Ah, the perks of being a mod. Moving your threads to more popular boards when they flop.
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If any of you follow sports, you'll know who I'm talking about. One time Stephen A Smith said that blacks should all vote republican in the next election. He said democrats know they have their vote no matter what so they don't do anything to really help them. He said it would turn the tide. I think there is some truth to it.
In what way do you think it would turn the tide?
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well they have had one of their own as president as well as that party in power since 2008 and they have done fuck all.....why do they start making promises now lol?
Again I repeat they have had 8 years to change things and all they have done is divide.
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I'd fuck a black chick. That's a pretty good litmus test for racism, I think. Would you fuck one?
Next time a black guy asks if you're a racist, just inquire if he has a sister. Of course her life matters. I'm not going to fuck a dead black woman. I'm actively concerned about her well being. Does she have AIDS? Does she have any Ebola or substance abuse issues?
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In what way do you think it would turn the tide?
That democrats would realize that if they want black votes, they'd actually start having to care about them and do things to help, rather than keep them in a modern day form of bondage. Just my two cents.
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I'd tie up a black chick and make frank use of her.
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I'd fuck a black chick. That's a pretty good litmus test for racism, I think. Would you fuck one?
Next time a black guy asks if you're a racist, just inquire if he has a sister. Of course her life matters. I'm not going to fuck a dead black woman. I'm actively concerned about her well being. Does she have AIDS? Does she have any Ebola or substance abuse issues?
tapwe worm i dated a girl from cameroon , blacks from africa are totally different from the ones in the u.s they actually like whites
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Black votes matter.
This. They don't give a shit about their lives, just their votes.
And yes, democrat votes count even when they are dead.
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This. They don't give a shit about their lives, just their votes.
And yes, democrat votes count even when they are dead.
your right about that thats all that matters to the demcrat party, i was raised a democrat but i could never vote for one again. that party is for the lazy
and whiny ass muther fuckers that blame others for there failings in life. and im not a far right religious retard either ted cruz is disgusting.
bill o reiley as well, i wold have voted for herman cain, but that fake ass fuck romney got the nomination
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That democrats would realize that if they want black votes, they'd actually start having to care about them and do things to help, rather than keep them in a modern day form of bondage. Just my two cents.
In your opinion, are there reasons that black people should be voting for republicans? If all the free stuff that dems are always giving us was taken off the table, do you think most blacks would think a republican vote made more sense?
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Why don't you move this to the politics board?
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Black votes matter.
Bingo.
Sadly, black folks don't have ANY demands for their block of votes, so they are left empty handed year after year, decade after decade.
Eventually, they'll wise up.
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Bingo.
Sadly, black folks don't have ANY demands for their block of votes, so they are left empty handed year after year, decade after decade.
Eventually, they'll wise up.
I'm always hearing about the free stuff we get. It's been referenced a few times in this thread.
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Chicago police officers carry protester Bernie Sanders, 21, in August 1963 to a police wagon from a civil rights demonstration at West 73rd Street and South Lowe Avenue. He was arrested, charged with resisting arrest, found guilty and fined $25. He was a University of Chicago student at the time.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html
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22 minute listen, or read the text.
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/
Black lives matter. We hear it all the time from the Democratic Party, so much so that it even made the themes of the Black Lives Matter movement a key component of its official party platform:
Democrats will fight to end institutional and systemic racism in our society. We will challenge and dismantle the structures that define lasting racial, economic, political, and social inequity. Democrats will promote racial justice through fair, just, and equitable governing of all public-serving institutions and in the formation of public policy. Democrats support removing the Confederate battle flag from public properties, recognizing that it is a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future. We will push for a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and that there is no place for racism in our country.
But do black lives really matter to Democrats? And have Democrats really been fighting to end institutional and systemic racism in society?
Or have they merely used the Black Lives Matter movement to provide them with cover after decades of utterly failing the black lives that they have governed almost without interruption for more than a half century?
Read more: http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/#ixzz4Fpvy8f1j
didn't you first post this on the Politics board?
why did you move it to the G&O board while at the same time today moving other threads from the G&O board to the Politics board?
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22 minute listen, or read the text.
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/
Black lives matter. We hear it all the time from the Democratic Party, so much so that it even made the themes of the Black Lives Matter movement a key component of its official party platform:
Democrats will fight to end institutional and systemic racism in our society. We will challenge and dismantle the structures that define lasting racial, economic, political, and social inequity. Democrats will promote racial justice through fair, just, and equitable governing of all public-serving institutions and in the formation of public policy. Democrats support removing the Confederate battle flag from public properties, recognizing that it is a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future. We will push for a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and that there is no place for racism in our country.
But do black lives really matter to Democrats? And have Democrats really been fighting to end institutional and systemic racism in society?
Or have they merely used the Black Lives Matter movement to provide them with cover after decades of utterly failing the black lives that they have governed almost without interruption for more than a half century?
Read more: http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/#ixzz4Fpvy8f1j
I don't care if they fail them, but to prop up the BLM movement is just disgusting. The whole thing is rooted in lies and criminality. The cops in nearly every single one of those cases were all found innocent of any wrongdoing yet their family members are given spots at the DNC to speak (even if they can barely string together a coherent sentence) their nonsense. Institutionalized victimhood is real and its what drives them. Its disgusting.
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That democrats would realize that if they want black votes, they'd actually start having to care about them and do things to help, rather than keep them in a modern day form of bondage. Just my two cents.
I don't think most understand is that blacks love being the victim. Its rooted in their identity. Everything they have gotten is by playing the victim. Take that away and they have nothing. The black leaders of da camoonity know this, the black preachers know this, the corrupt black politicians know this. Its pretty much a universal thing. Its not going to change as long as they can continually capitalize off of institutional victimhood. The Democrats allow and prop up this behavior readily.
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And guess what blacks did? They laughed at him, turned a blind eye to him, voted in large droves (90 plus percent) for Hillary. They did not support Bernie whatsoever. Statistically speaking he got no black votes if you were to pie chart all of the voter demographics. Bernie's policies would have effectively stripped all of the victimhood from blacks. He would have given them ZERO excuses as to why they can't succeed. Healthcare, Tuition Free College, a living wage etc... Blacks are frightened by the prospect of all their excuses being rendered meaningless and powerless. (although most are not intelligent enough to even thing that abstractly).
Its pathetic really. They keep themselves perpetually stupid and perpetually a victim because its just easier for them to do that I suppose. Why else would you shit on potential opportunity so readily by supporting Hillary like that?
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And guess what blacks did? They laughed at him, turned a blind eye to him, voted in large droves (90 plus percent) for Hillary. They did not support Bernie whatsoever. Statistically speaking he got no black votes if you were to pie chart all of the voter demographics. Bernie's policies would have effectively stripped all of the victimhood from blacks. He would have given them ZERO excuses as to why they can't succeed. Healthcare, Tuition Free College, a living wage etc... Blacks are frightened by the prospect of all their excuses being rendered meaningless and powerless. (although most are not intelligent enough to even thing that abstractly).
Its pathetic really. They keep themselves perpetually stupid and perpetually a victim because its just easier for them to do that I suppose. Why else would you shit on potential opportunity so readily by supporting Hillary like that?
really interesting and amusing line of thinking there. I agree they need to make more informed choices.
this is the part where you get to go out to the black neighborhood and share your knowledge on these matters.
I feel this is the best solution.
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really interesting and amusing line of thinking there. I agree they need to make more informed choices.
this is the part where you get to go out to the black neighborhood and share your knowledge on these matters.
I feel this is the best solution.
It would be useless. They have to want to change their culture and mentality but there is no indication that is going to happen any time soon. Just like the third-world thinking Muslims, nothing you can really do. You can nudge them in the proper direction all you want, but if they don't want to change their entire way of life and how they view the world, its just not gonna happen.
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It would be useless. They have to want to change their culture and mentality but there is no indication that is going to happen any time soon. Just like the third-world thinking Muslims, nothing you can really do. You can nudge them in the proper direction all you want, but if they don't want to change their entire way of life and how they view the world, its just not gonna happen.
it takes a second to wreck it but it takes time build
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Chicago police officers carry protester Bernie Sanders, 21, in August 1963 to a police wagon from a civil rights demonstration at West 73rd Street and South Lowe Avenue. He was arrested, charged with resisting arrest, found guilty and fined $25. He was a University of Chicago student at the time.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html
Did he get a loan to pay the fine?
Because I doubt he had a job at the time.
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I don't care if they fail them, but to prop up the BLM movement is just disgusting. The whole thing is rooted in lies and criminality. The cops in nearly every single one of those cases were all found innocent of any wrongdoing yet their family members are given spots at the DNC to speak (even if they can barely string together a coherent sentence) their nonsense. Institutionalized victimhood is real and its what drives them. Its disgusting.
I rarely if ever agree with you but this is dead on!
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I don't care if they fail them, but to prop up the BLM movement is just disgusting. The whole thing is rooted in lies and criminality. The cops in nearly every single one of those cases were all found innocent of any wrongdoing yet their family members are given spots at the DNC to speak (even if they can barely string together a coherent sentence) their nonsense. Institutionalized victimhood is real and its what drives them. Its disgusting.
watch this video adonis
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Does black lives matter to getbig?
From coming on here for nearly 12 years, I would say No!
Don't you agree Princess R?
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Does black lives matter to getbig?
From coming on here for nearly 12 years, I would say No!
Don't you agree Princess R?
They only matter when they are ripped and in shape...otherwise they are meaningless.
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In your opinion, are there reasons that black people should be voting for republicans? If all the free stuff that dems are always giving us was taken off the table, do you think most blacks would think a republican vote made more sense?
Yes. The reason being they have continually voted democrat and it seems to not be helping them. If they didn't vote at all, the democrats that typically get their vote wouldn't care. If they voted the other party, the democrats may wake up and do something to actually help black folks. If black Americans are not being treated fairly in their minds, why keep voting the same way? It's like the old adage about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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Yes. The reason being they have continually voted democrat and it seems to not be helping them. If they didn't vote at all, the democrats that typically get their vote wouldn't care. If they voted the other party, the democrats may wake up and do something to actually help black folks. If black Americans are not being treated fairly in their minds, why keep voting the same way? It's like the old adage about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
sounds like what is called "strategic voting". every vote is a strategic vote.
what you describe is not a logical strategy since you provided no specific reason to expect it to produce results.
hope this helps
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They only matter when they are ripped and in shape...otherwise they are meaningless.
Yes I agree
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Did he get a loan to pay the fine?
Because I doubt he had a job at the time.
They left out the part of the story when Bernie leaves 35% black Brooklyn to go live in 98% white Vermont.
Yes I agree
I care about black lives as much as blacks care about mine.
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He said democrats know they have their vote no matter what so they don't do anything to really help them.
What do they need 'help' with? Are they retarded? Too stupid and lazy to survive without 'help'?
Does black lives matter to getbig?
From coming on here for nearly 12 years, I would say No!
Your life does not matter to anyone, anywhere.
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What do they need 'help' with? Are they retarded? Too stupid and lazy to survive without 'help'?
Your life does not matter to anyone, anywhere.
Thanks
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What do they need 'help' with? Are they retarded? Too stupid and lazy to survive without 'help'?
Your life does not matter to anyone, anywhere.
This is the only truth that matters in this debate. #Nolivesmatter. Black, white, brown, red, gay, straight, Q, big, small, rich, poor, NO LIVES MATTER unless the person makes his or her life matter.
99.9 percent of people don't step up and make it matter, do something that counts, have a lasting impact. Just watching tv, sleeping, eating and shitting.
And NO ONE can define whether your life matters but you.
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This is the only truth that matters in this debate. #Nolivesmatter. Black, white, brown, red, gay, straight, Q, big, small, rich, poor, NO LIVES MATTER unless the person makes his or her life matter.
99.9 percent of people don't step up and make it matter, do something that counts, have a lasting impact. Just watching tv, sleeping, eating and shitting.
And NO ONE can define whether your life matters but you.
said basically the same thing in a drunk rambling to my fiancée last night.
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said basically the same thing in a drunk rambling to my fiancée last night.
Haha, philosophy of strength via Getbig and wine.
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Yes. The reason being they have continually voted democrat and it seems to not be helping them. If they didn't vote at all, the democrats that typically get their vote wouldn't care. If they voted the other party, the democrats may wake up and do something to actually help black folks. If black Americans are not being treated fairly in their minds, why keep voting the same way? It's like the old adage about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
I guess I just don't get the logic in this. ??? You're not claiming that Repubs would be a better choice for black voters, just an alternative. Unless it's tied to a choice on a particular issue, why would this cause Democratic politicians to wake up? What you're describing is sort of like saying I should leave my wife because she gained a little weight and to show her that it's her fault, I should shack up with an even fatter bitch who doesn't cook, doesn't clean, doesn't work and has an ugly face and personality. I would be worse off, my wife would be confused about why I left and I would have no hope that the new, fat, ugly bitch would ever improve.
Is there a particular issue or a set of issues that you think Dem politicians would "wake up" on if all blacks voted repub in next election?
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I guess I just don't get the logic in this. ??? You're not claiming that Repubs would be a better choice for black voters, just an alternative. Unless it's tied to a choice on a particular issue, why would this cause Democratic politicians to wake up? What you're describing is sort of like saying I should leave my wife because she gained a little weight and to show her that it's her fault, I should shack up with an even fatter bitch who doesn't cook, doesn't clean, doesn't work and has an ugly face and personality. I would be worse off, my wife would be confused about why I left and I would have no hope that the new, fat, ugly bitch would ever improve.
Is there a particular issue or a set of issues that you think Dem politicians would "wake up" on if all blacks voted repub in next election?
this is the phenomenon of change for the sake of change and pray it gets better. kinda like a lottery where good fortune falls out of the sky. most of the time it doesn't work and by that I mean 99.999%
indeed confusion reigns supreme but team freedom is here to help
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And guess what blacks did? They laughed at him, turned a blind eye to him, voted in large droves (90 plus percent) for Hillary. They did not support Bernie whatsoever. Statistically speaking he got no black votes if you were to pie chart all of the voter demographics. Bernie's policies would have effectively stripped all of the victimhood from blacks. He would have given them ZERO excuses as to why they can't succeed. Healthcare, Tuition Free College, a living wage etc... Blacks are frightened by the prospect of all their excuses being rendered meaningless and powerless. (although most are not intelligent enough to even thing that abstractly).
Its pathetic really. They keep themselves perpetually stupid and perpetually a victim because its just easier for them to do that I suppose. Why else would you shit on potential opportunity so readily by supporting Hillary like that?
LOL naw son. Sanders lost the black vote all by his damn self. He said he didn't see any point. His staff talked about their frustration with the fact that he actually campaigned less for black voters the more money his campaign earned. The tragic thing is even though he seemed like a fucking mess, he had a real shot at winning the nomination. Blacks were most def not reflexively behind Hillary.
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LOL naw son. Sanders lost the black vote all by his damn self. He said he didn't see any point. His staff talked about their frustration with the fact that he actually campaigned less for black voters the more money his campaign earned. The tragic thing is even though he seemed like a fucking mess, he had a real shot at winning the nomination. Blacks were most def not reflexively behind Hillary.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
black voters were reflexively behind clinton mainly due to fond memories of bill.
van jones says the black protest movement isn't organized politically enough to mobilize the vote.
consider this
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I care about black lives as much as blacks care about mine.
+1
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It would be useless. They have to want to change their culture and mentality but there is no indication that is going to happen any time soon. Just like the third-world thinking Muslims, nothing you can really do. You can nudge them in the proper direction all you want, but if they don't want to change their entire way of life and how they view the world, its just not gonna happen.
and to think politicians believe these people can be integrated into western civilisation.
Accusations were made against this woman of burning a Koran, turns out after they had killed her it wasnt true.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dbd_1469580135
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That's fair and fine. I think one of the issues whites have with BLM is that they think it's supposed to be some non-factious, focus grouped afterschool commercial and that it fails if it's not smart enough to dilute its message and win over white people.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
black voters were reflexively behind clinton mainly due to fond memories of bill.
van jones says the black protest movement isn't organized politically enough to mobilize the vote.
consider this
No voting bloc, regardless of race or gender, was reflexively Hillary because of fond memories of Bill. Hillary was considered a flawed candidate right from the start of this campaign.Realistically, Trump's increasing viability during primary season was one of Hillary's biggest advantages, as she seemed like a more pragmatic candidate than bernie.
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sounds like what is called "strategic voting". every vote is a strategic vote.
what you describe is not a logical strategy since you provided no specific reason to expect it to produce results.
hope this helps
I'm not really sure what your point is? If things are bad for black people, don't you think that voting for different law makers and representatives would help change the landscape for them and stop the mistreatment that BLM and sympathizers believe is happening to them? It certainly would change results by changing the way a whole demographic votes, would it not?
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No voting bloc, regardless of race or gender, was reflexively Hillary because of fond memories of Bill. Hillary was considered a flawed candidate right from the start of this campaign.Realistically, Trump's increasing viability during primary season was one of Hillary's biggest advantages, as she seemed like a more pragmatic candidate than bernie.
hmmmmmmmmmm pragmatic?
excluding the fact polling shows bernie matches up better than hillary against trump BY FAR
allow these thoughts to percolate
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I'm not really sure what your point is? If things are bad for black people, don't you think that voting for different law makers and representatives would help change the landscape for them and stop the mistreatment that BLM and sympathizers believe is happening to them? It certainly would change results by changing the way a whole demographic votes, would it not?
I would like to refer you to al doggity's post regarding leaving your wife for one that's fatter. this illustrates the point vividly and is a team freedom approved message.
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hmmmmmmmmmm pragmatic?
excluding the fact polling shows bernie matches up better than hillary against trump BY FAR
allow these thoughts to percolate
??? Which only goes to show how divisive a candidate Hillary is/ was. She was not a political golden girl, for blacks or any other group. People preferring to vote for Sanders over Trump is not the same thing as people thinking Sanders will run a more effective campaign over Trump. Clinton's history as a politician worked in her favor.
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Yes. The reason being they have continually voted democrat and it seems to not be helping them. If they didn't vote at all, the democrats that typically get their vote wouldn't care. ...
I don't think this is right at all, in fact I think this is exactly what is going to happen, lots who voted last time will simply stay home because of no enthusiasm for Hillary.
The Dems absolutely do care about this. With depressed turnout on their side Trump wins in a walk.
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??? Which only goes to show how divisive a candidate Hillary is/ was. She was not a political golden girl, for blacks or any other group. People preferring to vote for Sanders over Trump is not the same thing as people thinking Sanders will run a more effective campaign over Trump. Clinton's history as a politician worked in her favor.
the question remains
why did the all the black folks vote for her?
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the question remains
why did the all the black folks vote for her?
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Like I said earlier in this thread in a post you responded to:
http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters/
It takes outreach. But several former members of Sanders’ black outreach team told me the campaign didn’t believe pulling black voters from Clinton was a real possibility; the white vote, the staffers said, was the campaign’s priority.
Tatem told me that his department was underfunded, making it almost impossible to do the necessary work in the Southern states that voted on Super Tuesday, March 1.
“We had to go through so many hoops to get resources, it felt like we had to fill out credit card applications every time we asked for something,” Tatem told me on the phone. “That’s how it felt.”
You can google dozens of other articles detailing how Bernie pretty much ignored campaigning for one of the most important segments in the democratic party while Hillary aggressively courted us.
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I guess I just don't get the logic in this. ??? You're not claiming that Repubs would be a better choice for black voters, just an alternative. Unless it's tied to a choice on a particular issue, why would this cause Democratic politicians to wake up? What you're describing is sort of like saying I should leave my wife because she gained a little weight and to show her that it's her fault, I should shack up with an even fatter bitch who doesn't cook, doesn't clean, doesn't work and has an ugly face and personality. I would be worse off, my wife would be confused about why I left and I would have no hope that the new, fat, ugly bitch would ever improve.
Is there a particular issue or a set of issues that you think Dem politicians would "wake up" on if all blacks voted repub in next election?
I guess it's just a case of you and I agreeing to disagree. I'm thinking maybe the anology is the other way around. The democrat is the fat wife who doesn't cook or clean. I think what people see as racism in the Republican Party (not saying it doesn't exist) is just a case of republicans caring more about the sum of the parts rather than the individual. Similar to nationalism. I could go into it further, my thoughts on some differences between whites and blacks, but it would eat up too much space.
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I guess it's just a case of you and I agreeing to disagree. I'm thinking maybe the anology is the other way around. The democrat is the fat wife who doesn't cook or clean. I think what people see as racism in the Republican Party (not saying it doesn't exist) is just a case of republicans caring more about the sum of the parts rather than the individual. Similar to nationalism. I could go into it further, my thoughts on some differences between whites and blacks, but it would eat up too much space.
Obviously, you don't have to respond, but this isn't really a case of us disagreeing. You aren't even claiming that voting Republican would be a better option for blacks. You haven't even mentioned one issue on which voting Republican might force Dem politicians to improve. Or even a specific example of how Dems are fucking over blacks. It's reasonable to infer from what you wrote that what you mean isn't " Democrats aren't doing anything for blacks" but that you don't agree with Democratic policies in general. Which is fine, but that's a completely different position than who blacks should be voting for in regards to what would benefit us.
Space isn't really limited here so you should feel free to flesh out your opinions on the differences between black and white voters.
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Like I said earlier in this thread in a post you responded to:
http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters/
It takes outreach. But several former members of Sanders’ black outreach team told me the campaign didn’t believe pulling black voters from Clinton was a real possibility; the white vote, the staffers said, was the campaign’s priority.
Tatem told me that his department was underfunded, making it almost impossible to do the necessary work in the Southern states that voted on Super Tuesday, March 1.
“We had to go through so many hoops to get resources, it felt like we had to fill out credit card applications every time we asked for something,” Tatem told me on the phone. “That’s how it felt.”
You can google dozens of other articles detailing how Bernie pretty much ignored campaigning for one of the most important segments in the democratic party while Hillary aggressively courted us.
You and your people are dumb as fuck. What outreach? Bernie participated in debates, his press secretary came from the BLM movement of all places, he had black surrogates, black celebrities, black intellectual endorsing him. He tried you moron. Harder than Hillary actually. He gave BLM a platform even. Hillary just laughed them off and continued to shut them down.
What you are saying is what I already know. Blacks are too damn dumb to weigh evidence, look at issues objectively, decide for themselves what is correct. They had the SAME fucking info as whites and anyone else to go by, yet they voted monolithically for Hillary.
They are worthless morons and you are a worthless moron as well.
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Blacks hate white men and thats fine. Don't expect them to like you back either.
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You and your people are dumb as fuck. What outreach? Bernie participated in debates, his press secretary came from the BLM movement of all places, he had black surrogates, black celebrities, black intellectual endorsing him. He tried you moron. Harder than Hillary actually. He gave BLM a platform even. Hillary just laughed them off and continued to shut them down.
::) You are such a little girl. From the article I linked above:
Danny Glover echoed Tatem’s complaints. When he joined the campaign in the spring of 2015 as its director for outreach to historically black colleges and universities, he believed he could help pull millions of young black people to the senator’s cause.
But it didn’t take long for him to feel that the campaign had no real interest in converting young black progressives into a powerful voting bloc that could have made Sanders truly competitive against Clinton.
Glover said he was never given a staff to help him match those crowds of white 20-somethings.
“It was viewed as something that we just had to do,” Glover told me over the phone. “We threw some resources to it to say we did it, but they didn’t put as many people behind it as they should have.”
Glover said that stops were cut from Sanders’ tour of HBCUs after the South Carolina primary, in late February. He said he was told by superiors that there wasn’t enough money to continue them. The Sanders campaign raised $44 million in March, its best performance to date.
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::) From the article I linked above:
Danny Glover echoed Tatem’s complaints. When he joined the campaign in the spring of 2015 as its director for outreach to historically black colleges and universities, he believed he could help pull millions of young black people to the senator’s cause.
But it didn’t take long for him to feel that the campaign had no real interest in converting young black progressives into a powerful voting bloc that could have made Sanders truly competitive against Clinton.
Glover said he was never given a staff to help him match those crowds of white 20-somethings.
“It was viewed as something that we just had to do,” Glover told me over the phone. “We threw some resources to it to say we did it, but they didn’t put as many people behind it as they should have.”
Glover said that stops were cut from Sanders’ tour of HBCUs after the South Carolina primary, in late February. He said he was told by superiors that there wasn’t enough money to continue them. The Sanders campaign raised $44 million in March, its best performance to date.
Your article also said this: "Black people did not understand how his policies would help them"
Really? ??? They are too fucking stupid to want tuition free college, a higher standard of living, a living wage, Single Payer Healthcare, laser focus on domestic manufacturing, ensuring jobs do not go overseas, getting money out of politics and on and on. They are that fucking pathetically brain dead that they don't know how that would improve their lives? ??? Really? I guess so, since your article says that.
It also says that they did not like that he told them he was against reparations for blacks. Who in their right mind would think anyone would support that bullshit? Hell, even Hillary would NEVER support something so stupid is that.
Face it, they are just stupid and racist. Not much else to conclude really.
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Bernie would have rendered their victim card useless.
Perhaps thats what REALLY scares them and their Camoonity Leaders. I can't believe how stupid they are. Its pathetic.
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Which candidate's stance on immigration is better for the community? Open borders or strict borders.
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Your article also said this: "Black people did not understand how his policies would help them"
Really? ??? They are too fucking stupid to want tuition free college, a higher standard of living, a living wage, Single Payer Healthcare, laser focus on domestic manufacturing, ensuring jobs do not go overseas, getting money out of politics and on and on. They are that fucking pathetically brain dead that they don't know how that would improve their lives? ??? Really? I guess so, since your article says that.
It also says that they did not like that he told them he was against reparations for blacks. Who in their right mind would think anyone would support that bullshit? Hell, even Hillary would NEVER support something so stupid is that.
Face it, they are just stupid and racist. Not much else to conclude really.
::) No matter how badly your pussy has rusted over since the primaries ended, the simple fact of the matter is he was running a campaign, not a visitation. It was his job to sell himself to voters and make them aware of his policies. He didn't connect with black voters because he campaigned badly and he was aware of this throughout his campaign. Hillary was in a position of weakness and that makes his poor campaigning even more egregious.
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Bernie would have rendered their victim card useless.
Perhaps thats what REALLY scares them and their Camoonity Leaders. I can't believe how stupid they are. Its pathetic.
Your idiotic posts aren't even making sense. His policies would benefit us but we were too stupid to understand but we also wanted to remain victims but we are also racist so we voted for a white lady. ::)
You literally sound like you are maniacally PMSing.
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Your idiotic posts aren't even making sense. His policies would benefit us but we were too stupid to understand but we also wanted to remain victims but we are also racist so we voted for a white lady. ::)
You literally sound like you are maniacally PMSing.
What access did white people have about Bernie Sanders that blacks were unable to access. Tell me genius? Or was it that they were simply too stupid to process the information or even seek it out on their own? ???
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Bernie certainly did more than Hillary to appeal to blacks. (probably should not even have bothered at all). What did Hillary do? Nothing.
She barely campaigned at all in the South where the dumb blacks are.
Again, why are blacks unable to process information? That IS what it comes down to.
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What access did white people have about Bernie Sanders that blacks were unable to access. Tell me genius? Or was it that they were simply too stupid to process the information or even seek it out on their own? ???
Once again, it was a campaign. It's not incumbent on other voters to seek out information on a candidate because YOU like him. It was his job to get his message out to voters. How is this so difficult for you to understand? ???
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Bernie certainly did more than Hillary to appeal to blacks. (probably should not even have bothered at all). What did Hillary do? Nothing.
She barely campaigned at all in the South where the dumb blacks are.
Again, why are blacks unable to process information? That IS what it comes down to.
No he didn't. His own campaign staff doesn't even believe that.
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Once again, it was a campaign. It's not incumbent on other voters to seek out information on a candidate because YOU like him. It was his job to get his message out to voters. How is this so difficult for you to understand? ???
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So Bernie has to go door to door? Blacks really are that stupid that they don't wish to participate in their own elections and democracy? Just as I thought, they want to be spoon fed everything like children, like victims.
They get most of their information from horrible sources like Camoonity leaders, Black Churches, Other black morons, Black friends, Black websites, Black TV shows. They really are stupid just as you made clear.
Blacks don't want to do anything other than wait for a handout or wait for someone to "convince and Bamboozle" them. Pathetic!
What do blacks want other than to destroy themselves and everything else around them?
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Once again, it was a campaign. It's not incumbent on other voters to seek out information on a candidate because YOU like him. It was his job to get his message out to voters. How is this so difficult for you to understand? ???
What don't you understand that dumb ass blacks have the SAME access to the SAME info as whites regarding the election. Could it be that whites are more intelligent and more willing to actually participate in their democracy and are curious and concerned enough to research and listen and make informed decisions whereas blacks are more concerned about putting rims on their 89 Chevy Caprice?
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So Bernie has to go door to door? Blacks really are that stupid that they don't wish to participate in their own elections and democracy? Just as I thought, they want to be spoon fed everything like children, like victims.
Once again, it was a campaign. At certain points, he literally did go door to door, promoting his platform and policies.
And once again, you are clearly in the grips of a maniacal PMS frenzy, because it doesn't make sense that in one series of posts you complain about blacks being so stupid we ruined the election by participating in it and now you are whining about us being so stupid that we don't wish to participate in our own elections and democracy. ::)
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Once again, it was a campaign. At certain points, he literally did go door to door, promoting his platform and policies.
And once again, you are clearly in the grips of a maniacal PMS frenzy, because it doesn't make sense that in one series of posts you complain about blacks being so stupid we ruined the election by participating in it and now you are whining about us being so stupid that we don't wish to participate in our own elections and democracy. ::)
I am failing to understand your black bullshit? What information was kept from them that they could not make an informed choice? ??? Whites did not have any extra or additional information about his policies than blacks. Do you deny this?
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What don't you understand that dumb ass blacks have the SAME access to the SAME info as whites regarding the election. Could it be that whites are more intelligent and more willing to actually participate in their democracy and are curious and concerned enough to research and listen and make informed decisions whereas blacks are more concerned about putting rims on their 89 Chevy Caprice?
Pure idiocy. You're talking about politically involved people who supported a candidate who campaigned for their vote. You're talking about a candidate who did not have support from a community he virtually ignored.
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I am failing to understand your black bullshit? What information was kept from them that they could not make an informed choice? ??? Whites did not have any extra or additional information about his policies than blacks. Do you deny this?
Yes, the people he bothered to reach out to during his campaign did have more information and familiarity with him. If he chose to ignore black media outlets and campaign stops where he could reach a huge democratic constituency then it was a huge campaigning oversight.
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Once again, it was a campaign. At certain points, he literally did go door to door, promoting his platform and policies.
And once again, you are clearly in the grips of a maniacal PMS frenzy, because it doesn't make sense that in one series of posts you complain about blacks being so stupid we ruined the election by participating in it and now you are whining about us being so stupid that we don't wish to participate in our own elections and democracy. ::)
Oh you blacks did indeed participate. You participated as a monolithic race yet again where ignorance and stupidity are guiding lights.
Again, what info did whites have that blacks did not get or understand? ??? Why is it that blacks NEED to be pandered to or else a message gets lost or not understood? Are they THAT stupid? That is the only conclusion I can make since they have access to the same information as whites and everyone else.
So you admit that blacks need special treatment in that they are learning impaired and need other ways to process information since the information already was/is readily available? Is this what you are saying?
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Do you think Black Lives Matter to Blackphobic rethuglicans, Ron?
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Oh you blacks did indeed participate. You participated as a monolithic race yet again where ignorance and stupidity are guiding lights.
Again, what info did whites have that blacks did not get or understand? ??? Why is it that blacks NEED to be pandered to or else a message gets lost or not understood? Are they THAT stupid? That is the only conclusion I can make since they have access to the same information as whites and everyone else.
So you admit that blacks need special treatment in that they are learning impaired and need other ways to process information since the information already was/is readily available? Is this what you are saying?
At this point you keep repeating the same thing, so let me ask you this: Why do you think the campaigning process is so long? It's like a two year cycle. Why do you think it's not just a two or three week process? Why do you think candidates travel all over the country, multiple times, instead of just sending out an email blast?
I seriously am hoping you answer. Do you think campaigning makes any difference at all?
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Pure idiocy. You're talking about politically involved people who supported a candidate who campaigned for their vote. You're talking about a candidate who did not have support from a community he virtually ignored.
Ignored? He talked directly about issues that affect black Camoonities, NEARLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SPEECH. Hillary did not do this at all, nor did she make even a quarter of the campaign stops in the South or give even a fraction of a quarter of speeches. Hillary did not even hold any press conferences (still hasn't) whereas Bernie had several a week. Bernie was also on TV programs, news stations as much as possible. Hillary was not and STILL is not. Her campaign strategy was "The less you see and know of her, the better". Hell, she did not even bother going to some states whereas Bernie went to all states.
If anyone did enough, it was Bernie. You can pull their schedules and see the proof.
Again, the only conclusions you can draw is that blacks are really that stupid that they need special treatment and special explaining to. The news networks, the entire internet and the rest are not enough for blacks. You even admit yourself that that blacks need this special treatment. Its what is known as the soft bigotry of low expectations. You have just told us they are too dumb to seek out info via conventional means and that they need special preaching to whereas whites, and everyone else do not require this.
Its pathetic really and we can only conclude that they really are that stupid. Perhaps even dumber than we, (even you, may realize). You seem to not expect much from them either as you admit they need special treatment in order to understand basic concepts. :-\
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Ignored? He talked directly about issues that affect black Camoonities, NEARLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SPEECH. Hillary did not do this at all, nor did she make even a quarter of the campaign stops in the South or give even a fraction of a quarter of speeches. Hillary did not even hold any press conferences (still hasn't) whereas Bernie had several a week. Bernie was also on TV programs, news stations as much as possible. Hillary was not and STILL is not. Her campaign strategy was "The less you see and know of her, the better". Hell, she did not even bother going to some states whereas Bernie went to all states.
If anyone did enough, it was Bernie. You can pull their schedules and see the proof.
Once again, even his own campaign staff doesn't believe that.
Seriously, why do you think the campaign process is so long?
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Once again, even his own campaign staff doesn't believe that.
Seriously, why do you think the campaign process is so long?
Uniquely American. Why are blacks so stupid in that they can't process or access the correct information despite having a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG campaign season. You are just digging yourself deeper here.
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Uniquely American. Why are blacks so stupid in that they can't process or access the correct information despite having a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG campaign season. You are just digging yourself deeper here.
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why do you live in the south if you dislike blacks so much?
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why do you live in the south if you dislike blacks so much?
Still the best place to live for tons of reasons. Everyone is segregated mostly and blacks and whites are more real towards each other and do not fake it like they do in California and other places. That allows existing with each other more pleasant and relations are friendly and not phony.
Even if not segregated, the truthfulness is there and blacks and whites are friends despite differences in culture. Everyone else just fakes it and that is fucked up.
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Uniquely American. Why are blacks so stupid in that they can't process or access the correct information despite having a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG campaign season. You are just digging yourself deeper here.
::) You completely missed the point. What is it that candidates are trying to accomplish by campaigning?
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::) You completely missed the point. What is it that candidates are trying to accomplish by campaigning?
Why did Hillary do less than Bernie in appealing to blacks (why do they need to be appealed to like children in the first place ???), yet earn more of their vote.
Are they stupid, like children or something?
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Why did Hillary do less than Bernie in appealing to blacks (why do they need to be appealed to like children in the first place ???), yet earn more of their vote.
Are they stupid, like children or something?
Why are you dodging the question? When candidates campaign, what are they trying to accomplish? ???
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Why are you dodging the question? When candidates campaign, what are they trying to accomplish? ???
Uh to get their message out. ???
Hillary did as little as possible campainging with ALL voters. She campaigned the LEAST out of any candidate in recent history.
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Uh to get their message out. ???
Yeah, this seems fairly obvious. Like it shouldn't have to be addressed. It's fairly obvious that for a political campaign to be successful, it must do a good job of getting it's message out to voters. Yet, when you add "black" to the equation, your brain just collapsed in on itself. Suddenly, it's the responsibility of blacks to seek out the candidate. Hillary was a controversial candidate, but Sanders wasn't President in waiting. If he had run a more effective campaign, he would have had a stronger shot. Bernie blew it. Plain and simple.
You are really all over the place with your arguments and it's pretty obvious you don't really buy them. They don't even make sense when taken as a whole. You're upset because your candidate lost and you're lashing out. You really are acting like a little girl.
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Like I said earlier in this thread in a post you responded to:
http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters/
It takes outreach. But several former members of Sanders’ black outreach team told me the campaign didn’t believe pulling black voters from Clinton was a real possibility; the white vote, the staffers said, was the campaign’s priority.
Tatem told me that his department was underfunded, making it almost impossible to do the necessary work in the Southern states that voted on Super Tuesday, March 1.
“We had to go through so many hoops to get resources, it felt like we had to fill out credit card applications every time we asked for something,” Tatem told me on the phone. “That’s how it felt.”
You can google dozens of other articles detailing how Bernie pretty much ignored campaigning for one of the most important segments in the democratic party while Hillary aggressively courted us.
accepting the tactical argument about persuasion, which is mixed even based on the sources you're offering, there is still the outstanding issue of policy. Part of the democratic process is actually being informed about policy in order to make decisions in ones own interest. You cannot put this onto anyone else despite campaign shortcomings. In fact that educational process needs to continue outside of the election framework.
Do you not think this is a real problem that needs to be addressed?
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accepting the tactical argument about persuasion, which is mixed even based on the sources you're offering, there is still the outstanding issue of policy. Part of the democratic process is actually being informed about policy in order to make decisions in ones own interest. You cannot put this onto anyone else despite campaign shortcomings.
Like I just said a few posts ago, Bernie wasn't president in waiting. I haven't harped on it in the context of this discussion simply because I was a Bernie supporter, but he didn't deserve the job just because he showed an interest. He had to mount a competent campaign. Whether or not you like us, blacks are still American voters. If the majority of us found Hillary's policies (or her personae or her professionalism) more compelling, then that's how it works and it's how it has worked in every previous election. Furthermore, since the only thing more worthless than black lives are black votes, it's worth pointing out that among white voters, Bernie didn't exactly blow Hillary out of the water.
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Your article also said this: "Black people did not understand how his policies would help them"
Really? ??? They are too fucking stupid to want tuition free college, a higher standard of living, a living wage, Single Payer Healthcare, laser focus on domestic manufacturing, ensuring jobs do not go overseas, getting money out of politics and on and on. They are that fucking pathetically brain dead that they don't know how that would improve their lives? ??? Really? I guess so, since your article says that.
It also says that they did not like that he told them he was against reparations for blacks. Who in their right mind would think anyone would support that bullshit? Hell, even Hillary would NEVER support something so stupid is that.
Face it, they are just stupid and racist. Not much else to conclude really.
You've never worked a day in your life. No job, no degree, nothing! Your parents gave you everything. You're a failure! I can't believe( well yes I can) why Ron and the mods would still allow you to post on here. Then I remember, they share some of the same hatred towards black people.
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Can't believe no one posted this yet:
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bernie-blm-e1439082583613.jpg)
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Can't believe no one posted this yet:
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bernie-blm-e1439082583613.jpg)
He even let them speak. Had that been Hillary, her Secret Service would have pummeled them into oblivion.
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He even let them speak. Had that been Hillary, her Secret Service would have pummeled them into oblivion.
When are you going to get a job? Why do you depend on handouts from mommy and daddy?
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When are you going to get a job? Why do you depend on handouts from mommy and daddy?
Where would you work if you didnt have to?
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Can't believe no one posted this yet:
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bernie-blm-e1439082583613.jpg)
Now you know why Bernie left Brooklyn. ;)
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Bump for unemployed Adam
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Like I just said a few posts ago, Bernie wasn't president in waiting. I haven't harped on it in the context of this discussion simply because I was a Bernie supporter, but he didn't deserve the job just because he showed an interest. He had to mount a competent campaign. Whether or not you like us, blacks are still American voters. If the majority of us found Hillary's policies (or her personae or her professionalism) more compelling, then that's how it works and it's how it has worked in every previous election. Furthermore, since the only thing more worthless than black lives are black votes, it's worth pointing out that among white voters, Bernie didn't exactly blow Hillary out of the water.
seems like you want to complain about the status quo while claiming that's "how it works". not computing.
nobody finds hillary "compelling" she's terrible and you know it. lol. policy matters and you know that too! of course TA's analysis is ridiculous but there's no dispute the black folks chose the wrong person. If bernie sat at home and drank beer all day it wouldn't change a thing. it's the wrong person, wrong button pushed for no good reason.
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I would never vote for Hillary ???
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seems like you want to complain about the status quo while claiming that's "how it works". not computing.
I said that blacks are American voters and, whether you like it or not, our votes count in the democratic process. How was that complaining about the status quo?
nobody finds hillary "compelling" she's terrible and you know it. lol. policy matters and you know that too! of course TA's analysis is ridiculous but there's no dispute the black folks chose the wrong person. If bernie sat at home and drank beer all day it wouldn't change a thing. it's the wrong person, wrong button pushed for no good reason.
She got more voters behind her. You're entitled to your opinion, but other's choices don't have to conform to your opinions.
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seems like you want to complain about the status quo while claiming that's "how it works". not computing.
nobody finds hillary "compelling" she's terrible and you know it. lol. policy matters and you know that too! of course TA's analysis is ridiculous but there's no dispute the black folks chose the wrong person. If bernie sat at home and drank beer all day it wouldn't change a thing. it's the wrong person, wrong button pushed for no good reason.
I think you know what I am writing is the truth. At least you know and realize that there is something wrong with the entire culture. Its a shame, because good people like you are expected to fall in line and bury your head in the sand if you call out the bullshit. Even when you do, (like you are now) other members of da camoonity shun you and pretend you are wrong despite the facts being on your side. Sad!
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I think you know what I am writing is the truth. At least you know and realize that there is something wrong with the entire culture. Its a shame, because good people like you are expected to fall in line and bury your head in the sand if you call out the bullshit. Even when you do, (like you are now) other members of da camoonity shun you and pretend you are wrong despite the facts being on your side. Sad!
You know nothing of facts. You screech and whine and complain and throw hissyfits based on the intensity of your menstrual cycle.
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I think you know what I am writing is the truth. At least you know and realize that there is something wrong with the entire culture. Its a shame, because good people like you are expected to fall in line and bury your head in the sand if you call out the bullshit. Even when you do, (like you are now) other members of da camoonity shun you and pretend you are wrong despite the facts being on your side. Sad!
I simply take your remarks in light of your effort to derail the trump campaign from within
so I can neither confirm nor deny any of the above
I would advise you to do the same!
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I said that blacks are American voters and, whether you like it or not, our votes count in the democratic process. How was that complaining about the status quo?
She got more voters behind her. You're entitled to your opinion, but other's choices don't have to conform to your opinions.
it's not a democratic vote if it's placed in someone else's interest, (voting for clinton) this is what you described as "the way it works" then you made some remarks about black votes not mattering that's what I understand as a complaint. Is there something wrong with the system or not?
really these are two issues, one is a short term tactical matter then other addresses long term real change. political change actually occurs outside of election campaigns.
since you support(ed) bernie the only way this can make sense is if you were wrong about that. others choices don't have to conform to your opinion either, I 'm glad we agree on this! :D
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Let's modify the question a bit.
What can Republicans do to reach out to the black community to show that they have their wellbeing in mind as well as everyone else's?
How do the "conservative" (I use that loosely across the board) political parties pull them over?
Is it even possible? Forget the statements of "Blacks are stupid and vote against themselves" or whatever else, but how do you convince large numbers... maybe majority, but at least a large group to come to them?
What needs to happen?
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it's not a democratic vote if it's placed in someone else's interest, (voting for clinton) this is what you described as "the way it works" then you made some remarks about black votes not mattering that's what I understand as a complaint. Is there something wrong with the system or not?
You clearly misunderstood that post,then. The remark about black votes not mattering was a reference to the title of the thread and the idea that only white votes and white interests matter when analyzing election results. In other words, it was sarcasm. Like I said in the line immediately following that, the race was a statistical dead heat among white voters. The idea that us dumb ol' blacks ruined democracy for all the nice white folk is ridiculous.
since you support(ed) bernie the only way this can make sense is if you were wrong about that. others choices don't have to conform to your opinion either, I 'm glad we agree on this! :D
No, because I'm not on here claiming that people who voted for Hillary made a subjectively wrong choice. Or, even more inanely, that I'm taking my ball and switching parties because my candidate didn't win. The difference with me is that I saw the flaws in Sanders' campaign in real time and was completely unsurprised by the result. While I was a Bernie supporter, I was not a Bernie fanatic. I understood why the numbers for Trump vs Hillary and Trump vs Sanders were what they were.
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22 minute listen, or read the text.
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/
Black lives matter. We hear it all the time from the Democratic Party, so much so that it even made the themes of the Black Lives Matter movement a key component of its official party platform:
Democrats will fight to end institutional and systemic racism in our society. We will challenge and dismantle the structures that define lasting racial, economic, political, and social inequity. Democrats will promote racial justice through fair, just, and equitable governing of all public-serving institutions and in the formation of public policy. Democrats support removing the Confederate battle flag from public properties, recognizing that it is a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future. We will push for a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and that there is no place for racism in our country.
But do black lives really matter to Democrats? And have Democrats really been fighting to end institutional and systemic racism in society?
Or have they merely used the Black Lives Matter movement to provide them with cover after decades of utterly failing the black lives that they have governed almost without interruption for more than a half century?
Read more: http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/do-black-lives-really-matter-to-14957499/#ixzz4Fpvy8f1j
To answer the question...no.
Don't get me started on them because I got no brakes.
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Let's modify the question a bit.
What can Republicans do to reach out to the black community to show that they have their wellbeing in mind as well as everyone else's?
How do the "conservative" (I use that loosely across the board) political parties pull them over?
Is it even possible? Forget the statements of "Blacks are stupid and vote against themselves" or whatever else, but how do you convince large numbers... maybe majority, but at least a large group to come to them?
What needs to happen?
The few blacks who have crossed over, like Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain, did so on their own accord. Their experiences led them to do so.
I don't see large numbers switching sides as too many depend on government in one form or another, work or benefits.
As the expression goes, "You gotta know when to hold, when to fold." For the Republican Party, blacks are a "fold."
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You clearly misunderstood that post,then. The remark about black votes not mattering was a reference to the title of the thread and the idea that only white votes and white interests matter when analyzing election results. In other words, it was sarcasm. Like I said in the line immediately following that, the race was a statistical dead heat among white voters. The idea that us dumb ol' blacks ruined democracy for all the nice white folk is ridiculous.
No, because I'm not on here claiming that people who voted for Hillary made a subjectively wrong choice. Or, even more inanely, that I'm taking my ball and switching parties because my candidate didn't win. The difference with me is that I saw the flaws in Sanders' campaign in real time and was completely unsurprised by the result. While I was a Bernie supporter, I was not a Bernie fanatic. I understood why the numbers for Trump vs Hillary and Trump vs Sanders were what they were.
"subjectively"; lol...look let's not get carried away with our apologism. bad things happen. mistakes happen. we'll all be better off accepting the facts objectively, analysing and making the corrections. no need for a bunch of intellectual gymnastics. bernie has a lot of work to do, so do some other people, who we won't mention publicly, for fear of giving away any secrets!
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The few blacks who have crossed over, like Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain, did so on their own accord. Their experiences led them to do so.
I don't see large numbers switching sides as too many depend on government in one form or another, work or benefits.
As the expression goes, "You gotta know when to hold, when to fold." For the Republican Party, blacks are a "fold."
Does it impact the election much if they continue to fold? How did the Republicans lose the Latino vote? (Have they lost it? It "sounds" it, but maybe that's just the media.)
What does it take for the Republicans to win the Presidency? Obviously they do well in Congress.
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"subjectively"; lol...look let's not get carried away with our apologism. bad things happen. mistakes happen. we'll all be better off accepting the facts objectively, analysing and making the corrections. no need for a bunch of intellectual gymnastics. bernie has a lot of work to do, so do some other people, who we won't mention publicly, for fear of giving away any secrets!
How can "we" be getting carried away with "our apologism" when I'm commenting specifically on things you and True Adonis have said? An opinion is not a fact. No matter how strongly you may want to believe in it, that doesn't make it so.
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How can "we" be getting carried away with "our apologism" when I'm commenting specifically on things you and True Adonis have said? An opinion is not a fact. No matter how strongly you may want to believe in it, that doesn't make it so.
feel free to own this then, you're more than welcome to.
this is not subjective, simply put either you are wrong or everyone else is. you can't have both!!!
once again, since we actually agree that bernie was the right choice we are both correct.
I hope you know you can't win an argument against someone you agree with, despite your best efforts!
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Let's modify the question a bit.
What can Republicans do to reach out to the black community to show that they have their wellbeing in mind as well as everyone else's?
How do the "conservative" (I use that loosely across the board) political parties pull them over?
Is it even possible? Forget the statements of "Blacks are stupid and vote against themselves" or whatever else, but how do you convince large numbers... maybe majority, but at least a large group to come to them?
What needs to happen?
Because "THEIR wellbeing" is different than any other American's?
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Because "THEIR wellbeing" is different than any other American's?
There is a belief within the black community that they are not one and the same. How do they convince the black community that they are aligned?
Let me ask you this. Do you believe that any politician has the best interest of the general US citizen in mind when they enact laws or create policies?
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Does it impact the election much if they continue to fold? How did the Republicans lose the Latino vote? (Have they lost it? It "sounds" it, but maybe that's just the media.)
What does it take for the Republicans to win the Presidency? Obviously they do well in Congress.
Basically, they have to win the Battleground states, or at least two out of three: Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania usually decide the election. Most of the other states are a foregone conclusion one way or the other. I think Trump has a good chance in all three. He's from NY which is next door to PA. He did very well there in the Primary. He has businesses in Florida and beat Rubio there. Plus, his running mate is a Midwestern Governor who should help in Ohio. Kasich "should" help in Ohio, as well, but I don't trust that guy.
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There is a belief within the black community that they are not one and the same. How do they convince the black community that they are aligned?
Let me ask you this. Do you believe that any politician has the best interest of the general US citizen in mind when they enact laws or create policies?
1) They don't. NO American is excluded from an "Americans" reference, irrational "beliefs" are irrelevant. They buy into it or they don't. But I don't care about Republican strategy.
2) Some do, sure. Here and there. Our two presidential candidates? FUCK to the NO.
(Sorry for the hostility.)
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1) They don't. NO American is excluded from an "Americans" reference, irrational "beliefs" are irrelevant; they buy into it or they don't. (Also, fuck groupthink and fuck Republicans.)
2) Some do, sure. Here and there. Our two presidential candidates? FUCK to the NO.
1. They aren't irrelevant though. Perception is reality. I'm not saying their perception is ACCURATE, but I do say it is the way it is. If they don't buy into it, then nothing changes. Things stay exactly the same, so you have to convince them that the status quo that they continue to buy into is a fallacy. You have to show them why. (Not you, you, general you)
2. What do you believe the percentage of politicians that truly have the best interest of the US citizen, is?
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1) They don't. NO American is excluded from an "Americans" reference, irrational "beliefs" are irrelevant. They buy into it or they don't. But I don't care about Republican strategy.
2) Some do, sure. Here and there. Our two presidential candidates? FUCK to the NO.
(Sorry for the hostility.)
Serious question: Pretend there was a candidate who spent most of their campaign speaking to black communities, telling them how his or her policies would improve the lives of blacks. A large number of blacks ended up supporting that candidate. Do you think most white people would assume that candidate's policies would improve their lives just as much the black people?
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1. They aren't irrelevant though. Perception is reality. I'm not saying their perception is ACCURATE, but I do say it is the way it is. If they don't buy into it, then nothing changes. Things stay exactly the same, so you have to convince them that the status quo that they continue to buy into is a fallacy. You have to show them why. (Not you, you, general you)
2. What do you believe the percentage of politicians that truly have the best interest of the US citizen, is?
1) No, reality is reality. Perception is subjective, and some folks simply aren't rational. "OJ was framed," "Hands up, don't shoot" for reference. Lunatics don't run the asylum, Tu. But I couldn't care less how Rs SHOULD pander to this idiocy, so I got nothing.
2) Less than 20, maybe 10. And most probably don't win elections. And those who do probably can't get much done.
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feel free to own this then, you're more than welcome to.
this is not subjective, simply put either you are wrong or everyone else is. you can't have both!!!
once again, since we actually agree that bernie was the right choice we are both correct.
I hope you know you can't win an argument against someone you agree with, despite your best efforts!
Then I guess it's a good thing that there were actually several points we disagreed on in this thread.
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Serious question: Pretend there was a candidate who spent most of their campaign speaking to black communities, telling them how his or her policies would improve the lives of blacks. A large number of blacks ended up supporting that candidate. Do you think most white people would assume that candidate's policies would improve their lives just as much the black people?
No.
Sorry.
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No.
Sorry.
Really? Are you sure? ??? You're telling me that if one group gets an advantage, then others don't automatically feel they are getting the same advantage. Seem like sort of an irrational belief, doesn't it?[/sarcasm]
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Really? Are you sure? ??? You're telling me that if one group gets an advantage, then others don't automatically feel they are getting the same advantage. Seem like sort of an irrational belief, doesn't it?[/sarcasm]
It's a silly, loaded question, and you know it. Any candidate/policy "a large number of blacks" support is gonna rape the fuck outta taxpayers. Which is where you lose (rational, fiscally conservative) whites.
This surprises you?
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It's a silly, loaded question, and you know it. Any candidate/policy "a large number of blacks" support is gonna rape the fuck outta taxpayers. Which is where you lose (rational, fiscally conservative) whites.
This surprises you?
Why do you believe that it will rape tax payers.
What if it was fiscally responsible and supported lifting the black community up and not simply giving them a hand out.
You're making a judgement that the black community only wants freebies? What if it was not about free, but about enabling success?
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Blacks proved this election cycle that they have no interest in a 15 dollar or living wage, no interest in Single Payer Healthcare, No interest in tuition free college, No interest in getting money out of politics. These are things Bernie was offering to fight for that would have benefited their Camoonity as well as all communities. They rejected all of that.
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Why do you believe that it will rape tax payers.
1) What if it was fiscally responsible and supported lifting the black community up and not simply giving them a hand out.
2) You're making a judgement that the black community only wants freebies? What if it was not about free, but about enabling success?
1) This is why they wouldn't support it.
2) This is why the question was loaded.
"Large numbers," he said.
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Blacks proved this election cycle that they have no interest in a 15 dollar or living wage, no interest in Single Payer Healthcare, No interest in tuition free college, No interest in getting money out of politics. These are things Bernie was offering to fight for that would have benefited their Camoonity as well as all communities. They rejected all of that.
Truly made no sense. I honestly wish I could have gotten a real reason why the black community voted in Hillary in droves. I just don't understand it.
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It's a silly, loaded question, and you know it. Any candidate/policy "a large number of blacks" support is gonna rape the fuck outta taxpayers. Which is where you lose (rational, fiscally conservative) whites.
This surprises you?
Sure, it's a loaded, silly scenario. ::) But when it's reversed, it's fair and logical and reasonable and affects everyone in exactly the same way.
This is just like the time you said you couldn't believe that having almost all white Academy Awards voters had any impact on who won Oscars. When I asked you if you thought having all black Oscar voters would have an impact, then, of course you could see how it would have an impact. It would become political and it would be completely different and completely unfair and I was asking you a trick question.
These weren't loaded questions. Your answers to them are based on your own prejudices.
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Truly made no sense. I honestly wish I could have gotten a real reason why the black community voted in Hillary in droves. I just don't understand it.
What do you think it likely was? Do you agree with True Adonis that blacks are just too stupid to vote for their own self interest? Or that we just like being victims too much? Would you say those sound like the two most likely scenarios based on your observations?
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What do you think it likely was? Do you agree with True Adonis that blacks are just too stupid to vote for their own self interest? Or that we just like being victims too much? Would you say those sound like the two most likely scenarios based on your observations?
Don't forget to add nostalgia for the 90s in there. Thats another reason. Black culture has NOT evolved from the 90s which was its peak. The dress is the same, mannerism, movies, music, entire black zeitgiest, etc....Has not evolved since then.
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What do you think it likely was? Do you agree with True Adonis that blacks are just too stupid to vote for their own self interest? Or that we just like being victims too much? Would you say those sound like the two most likely scenarios based on your observations?
I don't know.
White people vote against their own self interests too. I mean, poor white people vote in rich white guys with some belief that they "understand their plight". Of course they do not and they create policies that hurt them as well.
So I can't really provide the any insight.
I don't know what the statements were of the people who voted. Were there people at the exit polls asking "why did you vote for Hillary?"
I honestly have no clue why they chose Hillary. I think Adonis' other observation is a possible scenario.
The black community has a nostalgic sense that their lives were at their peak during the Bill Clinton years and they associate Hillary with him.
Again, that's just a possible scenario and I have no idea if it is accurate or not.
My family was all aboard the Bernie train to be honest, so they are the wrong black people to ask it seems.
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Sure, it's a loaded, silly scenario. ::) But when it's reversed, it's fair and logical and reasonable and affects everyone in exactly the same way.
This is just like the time you said you couldn't believe that having almost all white Academy Awards voters had any impact on who won Oscars. When I asked you if you thought having all black Oscar voters would have an impact, then, of course you could see how it would have an impact. It would become political and it would be completely different and completely unfair and I was asking you a trick question.
These weren't loaded questions. Your answers to them are based on your own prejudices.
Ah.
Probably just me then.
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I don't know.
White people vote against their own self interests too. I mean, poor white people vote in rich white guys with some belief that they "understand their plight". Of course they do not and they create policies that hurt them as well.
So I can't really provide the any insight.
I don't know what the statements were of the people who voted. Were there people at the exit polls asking "why did you vote for Hillary?"
I honestly have no clue why they chose Hillary. I think Adonis' other observation is a possible scenario.
The black community has a nostalgic sense that their lives were at their peak during the Bill Clinton years and they associate Hillary with him.
Again, that's just a possible scenario and I have no idea if it is accurate or not.
My family was all aboard the Bernie train to be honest, so they are the wrong black people to ask it seems.
Upthread I posted an article in which even his campaign workers admitted he did try very hard to engage black voters. To you this sounds like it is probably not that likely?
(As an aside, 90s nostalgia really isn't anymore pronounced with black people than it is with other races. Black music, clothing styles, etc aren't even close to being the same. Just a few days ago, my sister was joking with me about how girls used to dress like tomboys in the 90s and black hair for women was completely different. At this moment, i'm listening to a song called "Timmy Turner" which I can't imagine even being recorded five years ago. I could go on and on, but being nostalgic for the 90s and being trapped in the 90s are two different things and, suffice it to say, I don't think either holds any water. )
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Upthread I posted an article in which even his campaign workers admitted he did try very hard to engage black voters. To you this sounds like it is probably not that likely?
(As an aside, 90s nostalgia really isn't anymore pronounced with black people than it is with other races. Black music, clothing styles, etc aren't even close to being the same. Just a few days ago, my sister was joking with me about how girls used to dress like tomboys in the 90s and black hair for women was completely different. At this moment, i'm listening to a song called "Timmy Turner" which I can't imagine even being recorded five years ago. I could go on and on, but being nostalgic for the 90s and being trapped in the 90s are two different things and, suffice it to say, I don't think either holds any water. )
I made no inference that he didn't try to engage black voters. I'm not making a determination whether it's likely or not.
What I do know, is that for some reason that I do not know, they did not vote for him with any high percentage.
So I will have to ask you. Why did they vote for Hillary in such high percentages. What about her campaign and platform was so appealing to the black community?
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I made no inference that he didn't try to engage black voters. I'm not making a determination whether it's likely or not.
What I do know, is that for some reason that I do not know, they did not vote for him with any high percentage.
So I will have to ask you. Why did they vote for Hillary in such high percentages. What about her campaign and platform was so appealing to the black community?
Every single time I hear black demands, (what they want out of a politician), all it has to do with is prisons, courts, jails or drugs. Is every black person on the verge of being a criminal or something? They aren't concerned about anything else? Its fucking bizarre. The only movement they have going is Black Lives Matter which was founded on lies and bullshit and based on violent criminality and an appropriate police response. They don't seem to be organizing for jobs, education, cleaner environment, lower taxes, bringing back manufacturing. No. Its all about criminals "Dinduing" when they certainly did do something, like assault law enforcement.
I have no idea what black people want. They do not want to improve their lives as their movements give no indication of that whatsoever. Black neighborhoods are all degrading. They just don't value the same things as other cultures. I get that, but don't force that kind of living on everyone and then claim bias or discrimination. What it comes down to is a clash of culture. Black culture simply is not congruent with other cultures and the inverse is true as well.
I would like to know why they need and expect to be pandered to rather than seeking out information themselves and perhaps making informed decisions based on gathered knowledge and rational assessment. I suspect I am asking too much here. Who knows? They just seem to want to live in squalor, be able to assault and get away with it, and have lighter to no jail sentences. No idea what they want really.
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I made no inference that he didn't try to engage black voters. I'm not making a determination whether it's likely or not.
What I do know, is that for some reason that I do not know, they did not vote for him with any high percentage.
So I will have to ask you. Why did they vote for Hillary in such high percentages. What about her campaign and platform was so appealing to the black community?
There isn't even a mystery. He didn't campaign effectively in the black community. In the article I posted upthread, even his own campaign staff admits this. They talk about how he did not feel he could take black voters from Hillary. Literally, the more money his campaign took in, the less they targeted AfAm voters. A dem candidate just can't do that and expect to win.
If you doubt that it's as simple as a matter of effective campaigning, consider the following. Sanders' campaign strategy was to focus on young, white voters to offset the loss of black voters they wouldn't be targeting. While the race was neck and neck among white voters, he beat Clinton nearly 3-1 among young voters. He got more under-30 votes than Trump and Clinton combined. Do you really think it's just a coincidence that he got the strongest support from the demo he targeted the most and the least support from the demo he targeted the least?
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There isn't even a mystery. He didn't campaign effectively in the black community. In the article I posted upthread, even his own campaign staff admits this. They talk about how he did not feel he could take black voters from Hillary. Literally, the more money his campaign took in, the less they targeted AfAm voters. A dem candidate just can't do that and expect to win.
If you doubt that it's as simple as a matter of effective campaigning, consider the following. Sanders' campaign strategy was to focus on young, white voters to offset the loss of black voters they wouldn't be targeting. While the race was neck and neck among white voters, he beat Clinton nearly 3-1 among young voters. He got more under-30 votes than Trump and Clinton combined. Do you really think it's just a coincidence that he got the strongest support from the demo he targeted the most and the least support from the demo he targeted the least?
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/06/YouthVote2.png&w=1484)
Were blacks too stupid or something that they could not compare Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton as candidates? So you are saying blacks did not bother to seek out info at all about Bernie (it was all readily available and EXTREMELY easy to find) and just voted for Hillary? Is this what you are saying? ???
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Were blacks too stupid or something that they could not compare Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton as candidates? So you are saying blacks did not bother to seek out info at all about Bernie (it was all readily available and EXTREMELY easy to find) and just voted for Hillary? Is this what you are saying? ???
That's what you seem to be saying... over and over and over. It's not a logical conclusion to make based on what I said. The last post was pretty clear.
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That's what you seem to be saying... over and over and over. It's not a logical conclusion to make based on what I said. The last post was pretty clear.
You are saying that blacks need to be pandered to like children, otherwise they will not seek out info on their own or they won't understand it and hence will not vote unless spoon fed.
You seem to making this claim over and over again.
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You are saying that blacks need to be pandered to like children, otherwise they will not seek out info on their own or they won't understand it and hence will not vote unless spoon fed.
You seem to making this claim over and over again.
:P
When candidates campaign, what are they trying to accomplish? ???
Uh to get their message out. ???
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:P
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Blacks need to be treated like children is what you are saying and that they are too dumb to do any research on their own if they need to because a message "did not reach them" "directly"?
Is this what you are saying?
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:D
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Blacks proved this election cycle that they have no interest in a 15 dollar or living wage, no interest in Single Payer Healthcare, No interest in tuition free college, No interest in getting money out of politics. These are things Bernie was offering to fight for that would have benefited their Camoonity as well as all communities. They rejected all of that.
Adam did you ever find a job yet? Hopefully Trump or Hillary can help you land your first job.
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Bernie should have ran this campaign. :D
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Bernie should have ran this campaign. :D
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Holy shit I'm dying over here. Lol
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Holy shit I'm dying over here. Lol
Seriously though, it probably would have landed him the votes he needed. :-\
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Sanders outspent Hillary 2-1 on TV Ads in NY, and Hillary still got 75% of the Black vote.
From NBC News:
"Bernie Sanders' campaign has outspent Hillary Clinton over New York's airwaves by a 2-to-1 margin, according to ad-spending data from SMG Delta.
The Sanders campaign has spent $5.6 million on ads in the Empire State, versus $2.8 million for the Clinton campaign."
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Hard to believe the results would've been much different had Bernie made a few stops at fried chicken joints in Harlem.
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Sanders outspent Hillary 2-1 on TV Ads in NY, and Hillary still got 75% of the Black vote.
From NBC News:
"Bernie Sanders' campaign has outspent Hillary Clinton over New York's airwaves by a 2-to-1 margin, according to ad-spending data from SMG Delta.
The Sanders campaign has spent $5.6 million on ads in the Empire State, versus $2.8 million for the Clinton campaign."
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Hard to believe the results would've been much different had Bernie made a few stops at fried chicken joints in Harlem.
Wow. Such an analytical mind. ::)
She has actually held elected office in New York. Also, New York city, much less New york state, is not all black, no matter how convenient that would make it for you when you want to complain about it. So, advertising in NY =/= campaigning for black voters.
Like most precincts, Bernie's strongest support in NYC came from young voters. 82% of under-24s. Without those voters, whether or not he was even competitive was questionable. A lot of them were probably only voting in the election to vote for Sanders.
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So I will have to ask you. Why did they vote for Hillary in such high percentages. What about her campaign and platform was so appealing to the black community?
To elaborate a little more on why blacks didn't connect with Sanders, let's go back to something I said a little earlier in the thread. One of Hillary voters' primary concerns was choosing someone who could feasibly win in November. This was not just a black thing, it wa all of them. It was a big consideration for me, even though I voted Sanders. On top of that, for a lot of people, regardless of race, Bernie's policies just didn't seem realistic. Voting for Hillary was largely pragmatic.
Sanders' incredibly strong support among young voters really does skew how much support he appeared to get from real America (i.e.
white people) and the fact that he under-campaigned for black people skews the racial division.
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Wow. Such an analytical mind. ::)
She has actually held elected office in New York. Also, New York city, much less New york state, is not all black, no matter how convenient that would make it for you when you want to complain about it. So, advertising in NY =/= campaigning for black voters.
Like most precincts, Bernie's strongest support in NYC came from young voters. 82% of under-24s. Without those voters, whether or not he was even competitive was questionable. A lot of them were probably only voting in the election to vote for Sanders.
Sanders has been running political campaigns for the last 45 years. How many have you run? My guess is zero. But, this is the internet where shitheads with no experience feel perfectly comfortable telling experts how to go about their business.
Sanders didn't reach out to the black vote because he knew it was a lost cause, and there was point to sticking his tongue up black asses. That's also why Cruz didn't bother coming to New York. He knew he had no shot.
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Sanders has been running political campaigns for the last 45 years. How many have you run? My guess is zero. But, this is the internet where shitheads with no experience feel perfectly comfortable telling experts how to go about their business.
Sanders didn't reach out to the black vote because he knew it was a lost cause, and there was point to sticking his tongue up black asses. That's also why Cruz didn't bother coming to New York. He knew he had no shot.
Ah. Arguing like a true baby now. Running a campaign, even winning elected office, doesn't make you an expert. You don't have to have run a campaign to see that Bernie made some avoidable mistakes.
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To elaborate a little more on why blacks didn't connect with Sanders, let's go back to something I said a little earlier in the thread. One of Hillary voters' primary concerns was choosing someone who could feasibly win in November. This was not just a black thing, it wa all of them. It was a big consideration for me, even though I voted Sanders. On top of that, for a lot of people, regardless of race, Bernie's policies just didn't seem realistic. Voting for Hillary was largely pragmatic.
Sanders' incredibly strong support among young voters really does skew how much support he appeared to get from real America (i.e.
white people) and the fact that he under-campaigned for black people skews the racial division.
He had bigger leads over the entire Republican field than Hillary did at ANY point.
All polls show him winning with higher numbers than Hillary.
I will disagree with this.
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He had bigger leads over the entire Republican field than Hillary did at ANY point.
All polls show him winning with higher numbers than Hillary.
I will disagree with this.
I addressed this earlier in the thread, too. The numbers in a "repub vs dem" matchup are different from a "which dem can actually win" matchup.
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I addressed this earlier in the thread, too. The numbers in a "repub vs dem" matchup are different from a "which dem can actually win" matchup.
Ok.
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Man. This is the worst lunch break ever.
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sanders fucked up
somebody else fucked up
that somebody else shall remain nameless
honestly, I was astonished with the success of the sanders campaign, the man should be given a medal for his achievements. The guy is also a decent person which never occurs in politics. He's been grinding away doing his thing for decades but I guess he made a breakthrough somehow. timing is everything with this stuff.