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Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?
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Are you talking old school 20 rep squat full body routine x 3 per week?
I think Starting strength is pretty well established and safe to follow.
I've never done either but the old timers used to swear by the squats.
But they ate butter and meat everyday, not safe for us noobs.
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Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?
Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.
Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.
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will liver tablets be included in this?
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Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.
Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.
Thanks, but I'll stick with the pros.
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Rippetoe is the man.
Most entertaining muscle/strength/fitness guy on YouTube with Blaha as a close second.
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i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.
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Thanks, but I'll stick with the pros.
Got it. Have fun with that.
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Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?
Starting strength I think. At least that is what I did and it worked really well for me.
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don't forget to include dumbell pullovers supersetted with the squats
great for ribcage growth
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Got it. Have fun with that.
Lol...you got to love the self-appointed "experts". I actually saw a picture of this guy, and it said it all.
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i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.
I can vouch for that. Best with 405 was 18 reps. 315 for 27 reps, and 225 for 55 reps. I weighed around 175-180lbs when I performed those lifts.
Squats are the king of all exercises. All other gym exercises (besides heavy deadlifts) are peanuts by comparison.
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Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?
Go with the 20 rep squats program it will push you to places you didnt thought possible by the third set you will be crying for your momma, 6 weeks on this program plus high calories and you will put on some size and strength.
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Lol...you got to love the self-appointed "experts". I actually saw a picture of this guy, and it said it all.
Gotta love gimmicks. Ron must be really starting to hate this place because he keeps on letting them get approved
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20 rep squats, and GOMAD (Gallon Of Milk A Day) was the old school ticket to building big muscle fast.
Just don't increase the weight too fast. Really it should be increased incrementally, work the hell out of the weight you are using, before you increase the weight. For natural bodybuilding you don't have to do much more than lifting your body weight for results, as the body will only produce so much GH at a time, and lifting heavier won't help.
If you are training for power lifting, then it's a whole different kind of training.
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Gotta love gimmicks. Ron must be really starting to hate this place because he keeps on letting them get approved
You come out here and bash an established strength trainer, then offer some gibberish. Now you're upset that you weren't well received?
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i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.
That's why I'm leaning toward the Starting Strength. I expect to workout hard but I don't know that turning each workout into a miserable experience is either safe or good for morale.
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20 rep squats are good if not done in the foolish "take your 10 rep max and get 20, then do it 3x per week and add 5lbs per workout" best to start with a weight you could get 30 with and train once a week adding 5lbs a week, slower to start but will almost certainly progress further in the long run.
That being said I believe 3 to 5 sets of 5 reps all with the same weight to be a far better way to train, similar volume with a much heavier load, and a far more comfortable way to train
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Yes! Absolutely, whole milk, with its high fat content, to make GOMAD really work for you!
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20 rep squats, and GOMAD (Gallon Of Milk A Day) was the old school ticket to building big muscle fast.
Just don't increase the weight too fast. Really it should be increased incrementally, work the hell out of the weight you are using, before you increase the weight. For natural bodybuilding you don't have to do much more than lifting your body weight for results, as the body will only produce so much GH at a time, and lifting heavier won't help.
If you are training for power lifting, then it's a whole different kind of training.
I must be fair: Eric C got a good point here, although I still maintain the fact that George Washington wasn't born in the United States.. ;D
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rippetoe is a pretty solid trainer
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You come out here and bash an established strength trainer, then offer some gibberish. Now you're upset that you weren't well received?
coach has a couple olympic athletes
their prep was partially completed at MFP prior to their competitions in Rio.
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I haven't tried either but got good results from Wendler's 531
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What doesn't kill you can only make you stronger.
If a 'trainer' gives you advice that you know you are capable to handle in terms of weight and isn't going to physically damage you in the short term - why not try it?
Everybody's an expert but you're the only expert of handling how your body will work.
All these gurus.... Good luck.
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coach has a couple olympic athletes
their prep was partially completed at MFP prior to their competitions in Rio.
As you can see by turbo's pics....oh wait, nevermind.
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Gotta love gimmicks. Ron must be really starting to hate this place because he keeps on letting them get approved
Is Ron even involved anymore in Getbig ?
Maybe he became one of those National Geografic Channel Alaska Timber dudes.... ???
You know: the ones with beards and without teeth.
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You know: the ones with beards and without teeth.
Hipsters? :)
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coach has a couple olympic athletes
their prep was partially completed at MFP prior to their competitions in Rio.
Coach had come onto Rx Muscle a couple of months ago and started calling guys "gimmicks". He seems to have some kind of a mental tic.
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Coach had come onto Rx Muscle a couple of months ago and started calling guys "gimmicks". He seems to have some kind of a nental tic.
Never called anyone a gimmick over there. Getbig is the king of gimmicks
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Never called anyone a gimmick over there. Getbig is the king of gimmicks
Actually that's not true. I recommend you go back and review your posts there.
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As you can see by turbo's pics....oh wait, nevermind.
how did the olympics go?
I expect the training systems you implemented worked pretty good.
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Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.
Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.
For how long can anyone maintain 5-10 lb increases on a weekly basis? One year? Six months?
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For how long can anyone maintain 5-10 lb increases on a weekly basis? One year? Six months?
The average newbie will plateau out, within 3 months. More weight isn't better for bodybuilding. Then they quit, and whine about their genetics, instead of realizing that their training "methods" were stupid.
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The average newbie will plateau out, within 3 months.
If you train smart, read: intuitive this will not happen.
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Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.
Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.
5-10 lbs on main lifts per week will only work if you start at a chicken weight. When it really counts there's no way to progress like this..... ::)
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I still think one body part per week, per day is the best.
All this three time a week bull shit, even twice is not necessary at all.
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no body part needs a whole day
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A good adductor machine is worth it`s weight in gold!!
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A good adductor machine is worth it`s weight in gold!!
what does it do
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what does it do
Blow me ya` prick ya` !!
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Blow me ya` prick ya` !!
we have these machines at my gym but only women use them. i have seen jay cutler use it though so that means i can use it to without feeling shame.
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we have these machines at my gym but only women use them. i have seen jay cutler use it though so that means i can use it to without feeling shame.
You talkin` ta` me ???
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You talkin` ta` me ???
i would be happy to talk to you about this machine you mentioned
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5-10 lbs on main lifts per week will only work if you start at a chicken weight. When it really counts there's no way to progress like this..... ::)
Disagree. Been doing it for years.
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Disagree. Been doing it for years.
so that would equal 5 libs per week for 10 years = 2600 libs minimum?
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so that would equal 5 libs per week for 10 years = 2600 libs minimum?
Yes, we have guys benching 7000lbs.
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Disagree. Been doing it for years.
Lol...it's not translating well in your pics.
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Coach had come onto Rx Muscle a couple of months ago and started calling guys "gimmicks". He seems to have some kind of a mental tic.
it's called "paranoia"
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If you train smart, read: intuitive this will not happen.
Wow! Super Stupid!
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I haven't tried either but got good results from Wendler's 531
x2
5/3/1 is a great common sense program based on progression, periodisation & assistance work.
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I've never done either but the old timers used to swear by the squats.
I wasted many years believing squats were a waste of time.
As soon as I plateaued I tried them and never looked back since.
It all has to do with them bringing your center of gravity down, which means you can lift more weight, and that translates into more strength and more muscle.
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Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.
Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.
^This! Tried and true- works every time unless you have no testosterone, lol
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I still think one body part per week, per day is the best.
All this three time a week bull shit, even twice is not necessary at all.
Tend to agree with you Adonis. I find that once every 4-5 days feels better to me. Recovery varies quite a bit between people ( I read a PubMed study that showed recovery from weight training ranged from as little as 2 days in some to 2 weeks! in others)
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Tend to agree with you Adonis. I find that once every 4-5 days feels better to me. Recovery varies quite a bit between people ( I read a PubMed study that showed recovery from weight training ranged from as little as 2 days in some to 2 weeks! in others)
so you feel you need a lot of recovery after only doing shoulders or arms at the gym?
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Lol...it's not translating well in your pics.
The pics you're posting are proving you really do know how to train....oh wait, sorry. I was talking a about someone who actually posted pics that proved they trained.
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Rippetoe says as you get older you can still handle the heavy weight but it's just harder to bounce back from too much volume.
He sticks to triples mostly for squats.
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please specify if youre talking about bodybuilding or strengthbuilding.
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The pics you're posting are proving you really do know how to train....oh wait, sorry. I was talking a about someone who actually posted pics that proved they trained.
1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)
2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)
3. You spew unsolicited advice (Not good advice either)
4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)
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1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)
2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)
3. You spew unsolicited advice (Not good advice either)
4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)
1. Then shut up
2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?
3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?" This is a question soliciting "advice".
4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.
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1. Then shut up
2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?
3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?" This is a question soliciting "advice".
4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.
happy now?
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1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)
2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)
3. You spew unsolicited advice (Not good advice either)
4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)
For all the shit we give coach, he did have a great physique , one of the best on the board, he trained along side some greats and runs a successful training business...
I've been training for years and still like to hear different perspectives on it, shame coach doesn't post more training based stuff
Don't get me wrong, he's still a bible thumping caricature of an American from the south...
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A good adductor machine is worth it`s weight in gold!!
My gf is my ab- and adductor machine......plus she makes me works the glutes too... :D
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1. Then shut up
2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?
3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?" This is a question soliciting "advice".
4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.
1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.
2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.
3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.
4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?
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1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.
2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.
3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.
4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?
1. For someone who shits on others physiques we have to assume you're better. Hide your face and post a pic.
2. Never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and for 54 I'm far from out of shape and have a clean bill of health.
3. I bashed Rippetoe because he comes off like his programs are the be all to end all and bashes team strength coaches but admits he's never trained a team. He's a glorified personal trainer/cross fitter and researcher which why the S&C community rejects him.
4. Me, since you're talking shit about how I'm old and out of shape. Put up or shut up.
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1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)
2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)
3. You spew unsolicited advice (Not good advice either)
4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)
#3 - if you're a beginner how would know if my advise is good or not?
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1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.
2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.
3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.
4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?
Be specific, what credentials?
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#3 - if you're a beginner how would know if my advise is good or not?
Just the sense I got when you bashed Rippetoe. Then when I saw your pic I was like "forget about it".
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Just the sense I got when you bashed Rippetoe. Then when I saw your pic I was like "forget about it".
Well, for comparison. I believe Rippetoe and I are around the same age. You might want to take look him before you speak on this.
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Wow! Super Stupid!
And you are?
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Well, for comparison. I believe Rippetoe and I are around the same age. You might want to take look him before you speak on this.
Dude whatever. Get over it.
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And you are?
Super Smart!
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The average newbie will plateau out, within 3 months. More weight isn't better for bodybuilding. Then they quit, and whine about their genetics, instead of realizing that their training "methods" were stupid.
I was never referring to bodybuilding
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Super Smart!
Obviously...