20 rep squats vs Starting strength

[evandatp]

I haven't tried either but got good results from Wendler's 531

x2

5/3/1 is a great common sense program based on progression, periodisation & assistance work.

[Slapper]

I've never done either but the old timers used to swear by the squats.

I wasted many years believing squats were a waste of time.

As soon as I plateaued I tried them and never looked back since.

It all has to do with them bringing your center of gravity down, which means you can lift more weight, and that translates into more strength and more muscle.

[Hypertrophy]

Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.

Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.

^This! Tried and true- works every time unless you have no testosterone, lol

[Hypertrophy]

I still think one body part per week, per day is the best.

All this three time a week bull shit, even twice is not necessary at all.

Tend to agree with you Adonis. I find that once every 4-5 days feels better to me. Recovery varies quite a bit between people ( I read a PubMed study that showed recovery from weight training ranged from as little as 2 days in some to 2 weeks! in others)

[ratherbebig]

Tend to agree with you Adonis. I find that once every 4-5 days feels better to me. Recovery varies quite a bit between people ( I read a PubMed study that showed recovery from weight training ranged from as little as 2 days in some to 2 weeks! in others)

so you feel you need a lot of recovery after only doing shoulders or arms at the gym?

[Coach is Back!]

Lol...it's not translating well in your pics.

The pics you're posting are proving you really do know how to train....oh wait, sorry. I was talking a about someone who actually posted pics that proved they trained.

[polychronopolous]

Rippetoe says as you get older you can still handle the heavy weight but it's just harder to bounce back from too much volume.

He sticks to triples mostly for squats.

[ratherbebig]

please specify if youre talking about bodybuilding or strengthbuilding.

[RatedXXX]

The pics you're posting are proving you really do know how to train....oh wait, sorry. I was talking a about someone who actually posted pics that proved they trained.

1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)

2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)

3. You spew unsolicited advice  (Not good advice either)

4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)

[Coach is Back!]

1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)

2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)

3. You spew unsolicited advice  (Not good advice either)

4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)

1. Then shut up

2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?

3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?"  This is a question soliciting "advice".

4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.

[mr.turbo]

1. Then shut up

2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?

3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?"  This is a question soliciting "advice".

4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.

happy now?

[local hero]

1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)

2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)

3. You spew unsolicited advice  (Not good advice either)

4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)

For all the shit we give coach, he did have a great physique , one of the best on the board, he trained along side some greats and runs a successful training business...

I've been training for years and still like to hear different perspectives on it, shame coach doesn't post more training based stuff

Don't get me wrong, he's still a bible thumping caricature of an American from the south...

[Dr Dutch]

A good adductor machine is worth it`s weight in gold!!

My gf is my ab- and adductor machine......plus she makes me works the glutes too...

[RatedXXX]

1. Then shut up

2. Define expert. I learn everyday. I know what works and what doesn't. As far as being an S&C coach or coach in general, not really sure what credentials you're looking for. Can you elaborate on this?

3. "Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?"  This is a question soliciting "advice".

4. Well, unless you can post up something for comparison it really doesn't matter, son.

1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.

2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.

3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.

4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?

[Coach is Back!]

1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.

2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.

3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.

4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?

1. For someone who shits on others physiques we have to assume you're better. Hide your face and post a pic.

2. Never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and for 54 I'm far from out of shape and have a clean bill of health.

3. I bashed Rippetoe because he comes off like his programs are the be all to end all and bashes team strength coaches but admits he's never trained a team. He's a glorified personal trainer/cross fitter and researcher which why the S&C community rejects him.

4. Me, since you're talking shit about how I'm old and out of shape. Put up or shut up.

[Coach is Back!]

1. I haven't posted pics. (You use this line frequently. Getting boring.)

2. I don't claim to be an expert. (You call yourself coach, s&c trainer, etc. With NO real credentials)

3. You spew unsolicited advice  (Not good advice either)

4. Your methods evidently aren't working for yourself (looks like donut maker eating the profits)

#3 - if you're a beginner how would know if my advise is good or not?

[Coach is Back!]

1. Why should I "shut up"? I never claimed to have a noteworthy physique and therefore have nothing to prove. Furthermore, only an imbecile would post a pic publicly on these forums, with the freaks that frequent them.

2. Yes I will elaborate: you have no credentials from an accredited institution.

3. I asked which of 2 programs the guys might want to comment on. You came in bashing Rippetoe, which is ridiculous.

4. Compare myself to what? I'm a beginning lifter and you're an out of shape, unhealthy old guy. What is it you are looking for?

Be specific, what credentials?

[RatedXXX]

#3 - if you're a beginner how would know if my advise is good or not?

Just the sense I got when you bashed Rippetoe. Then when I saw your pic I was like "forget about it".

[Coach is Back!]

Just the sense I got when you bashed Rippetoe. Then when I saw your pic I was like "forget about it".

Well, for comparison. I believe Rippetoe and I are around the same age. You might want to take look him before you speak on this.

[OB1]

Wow! Super Stupid!

And you are?

[RatedXXX]

Well, for comparison. I believe Rippetoe and I are around the same age. You might want to take look him before you speak on this.

Dude whatever. Get over it.

[Erik C]

And you are?

Super Smart!

[Coach is Back!]

The average newbie will plateau out, within 3 months. More weight isn't better for bodybuilding. Then they quit, and whine about their genetics, instead of realizing that their training "methods" were stupid.

I was never referring to bodybuilding

[OB1]

Super Smart!

Obviously...