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Title: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: JCL on November 05, 2016, 07:38:30 AM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.

I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.

I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!

you didnt count properly

thread end...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: JCL on November 05, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
you didnt count properly

thread end...

Trust me I did.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 07:58:11 AM
Trust me I did.
impossible.....
You either overate on junk or underrate on clean foods
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Royalty on November 05, 2016, 07:58:48 AM
Another Earl72 gimmick
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Fallsview on November 05, 2016, 08:05:26 AM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.

I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!

Why are you naming your friend? Is he some chef? He makes bacon and chicken wraps that you couldn't make? They're easy. Maybe he slipped in extra calories that you don't know about. Next time instead of having some douche bag named Tim make your food...make it yourself.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Nether Animal on November 05, 2016, 08:07:44 AM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.

I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261210;image)
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: mazrim on November 05, 2016, 08:27:17 AM
you didnt count properly

thread end...
Right here.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: ChestRockwell on November 05, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
In this thread the OP claims he has broken the laws of thermodynamics.    ::)
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Royalty on November 05, 2016, 09:19:47 AM
In this thread the OP claims he has broken the laws of thermodynamics.    ::)

Where is Brock Landers?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Fallsview on November 05, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
True Adonis egg muffin with tossed salad.
True Adonis crepe with african bee honey jelly.

Would love to go head to head with his buddy Tim.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Henda on November 05, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
A good mate of mine ive known since childhood has never had an ounce of fat on him and has ate like utter shit his whole life, he just never ate a lot of it, even as kids having tea round his house the portions were fucking tiny as his mam would rather spend her money drinking and getting shagged down the street every weekend rather than groceries and even then he would leave half of it.even now his lass eats more than him he's still ripped despite drinking lager every day also
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 09:37:27 AM
A good mate of mine ive known since childhood has never had an ounce of fat on him and has ate like utter shit his whole life, he just never ate a lot of it, even as kids having tea round his house the portions were fucking tiny as his mam would rather spend her money drinking and getting shagged down the street every weekend rather than groceries and even then he would leave half of it.even now his lass eats more than him he's still ripped despite drinking lager every day also
thats why Im in shape year round, i eat what I like but Im not a big eater...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Henda on November 05, 2016, 09:43:24 AM
thats why Im in shape year round, i eat what I like but Im not a big eater...

I wish I could say the same mate, I eat whatever I like but far too much of it, still not fat and certainly well below the average untrained man but am bodybuilding fat for sure but still should be fucking obese if the bad food shit was true.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
I wish I could say the same mate, I eat whatever I like but far too much of it, still not fat and certainly well below the average untrained man but am bodybuilding fat for sure but still should be fucking obese if the bad food shit was true.
If i eat out I rarely ever finish a meal, I can never stomach all the food.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Erik C on November 05, 2016, 10:04:22 AM
A calorie IS a calorie, and a calorie IS a measurement of energy. The number of calories in a food, tells you nothing about the potential nutrition provided by that food, nor if that food would be considered good or bad for nutrition.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: FREAKgeek on November 05, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
Why can't we solve the energy crisis with all these people who can't lose weight.... Why can't I just plug my cellphone into some whore or attach her into my pickup truck fuel line. It'll run forever.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Macrofitter on November 05, 2016, 10:16:03 AM
This guy diets for contests by the calorie is a calorie approach, posts pics of him eating pizza and donuts everyday on IG

(http://blog.bmsshop.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/gnbf_dm_rep2.jpg)
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Jizmo on November 05, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
the OP is a fucking retard
/thread

i was a bro food eater until i switched my cutting diet to like 50% ice cream, chocolate and protein bars. shit works. unless youre stupid.
just work out like a madman, burn lots of calories during the day (more than you eat, fatso) and youll end up shredded no matter what the fuck youre eating, unless youre drinking HFCS for fun.

edit: ah, brosep. good example that IIFYM works. he does IF too if i remember correctly.
guy kills pizza and lots of icecream every day until contest day (and competes in a natty federation)
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 05, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
I believe OP has confused per day with per meal.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 01:57:40 PM
I don't see how diets with have different micro and macro nutrient profiles can have the exact same effect in the body (assuming same calories).
The different foods have different chemical structure.
These different molecules interact with the bodies systems and are metabolized in complex and different ways depending.
Therefore, the physical outcome of different diets interacting with the complex system of the body will not be exactly the same.
It cannot be, impossible. It's logic.



People eat chicken and rice for 10 weeks
people eat a variety of foods whilst dieting, it tends not to make any difference at all come show day...

I can understand eating very strict the last few days because of the way certain foods effect your water levels but apart from that...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: 10pints on November 05, 2016, 02:00:33 PM
Boring shit old thread again...

Fuck you OP.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 02:01:16 PM
Boring shit old thread again...

Fuck you OP.
You probably are the OP.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: 10pints on November 05, 2016, 02:08:44 PM
You probably are the OP.

Afraid not c&nt lugs. But don't blame you for thinking that.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on November 05, 2016, 02:32:06 PM
Only a dumb mentally retarded delusional person would think that a calorie is a calorie, this stupid crap was made up by people who dont have the willpower to diet properly and eat healthy, they know that they are wrong but they brainwash themselves so they can justify eating garbage, you can brainwash yourself all you want but eat garbage and eventually you will get a shitload of health problems. 
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: JCL on November 05, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
Only a dumb mentally retarded delusional person would think that a calorie is a calorie, this stupid crap was made up by people who dont have the willpower to diet properly and eat healthy, they know that they are wrong but they brainwash themselves so they can justify eating garbage, you can brainwash yourself all you want but eat garbage and eventually you will get a shitload of health problems. 

Someone gets it
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Fallsview on November 05, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
the OP is a fucking retard
/thread

i was a bro food eater until i switched my cutting diet to like 50% ice cream, chocolate and protein bars. shit works. unless youre stupid.
just work out like a madman, burn lots of calories during the day (more than you eat, fatso) and youll end up shredded no matter what the fuck youre eating, unless youre drinking HFCS for fun.

edit: ah, brosep. good example that IIFYM works. he does IF too if i remember correctly.
guy kills pizza and lots of icecream every day until contest day (and competes in a natty federation)

Retardism 101.

Depends if you're a stick already. If you are a skinny twerp before steroids, sure...eat what you want. I've seen guys do this. Back when I was bouncing these guys were eating tacos, pizza, ice cream, Big Macs, etc. etc. They could afford to do that.
Depends on what drugs you're using. How much HGH, Thyroid your cramming in your body.
Roger Stewart the bodybuilder used to say how much ice cream he ate...in fact he said thats when his abs came in...if you really believe that.
You can't 1000 calories of chocolate in your body without something negative happening. Insulin without steroids and HGH makes you fat.
Get a life you fucking reatard.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: JCL on November 05, 2016, 02:43:13 PM
Jizmo has an IQ of a goldfish
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 05, 2016, 03:34:46 PM
I have dropped 8lbs in around 14 days, all I did was skip a few meals and didnt snack between meals, I didnt change another thing.
I eat a normal western diet, I dont take piles of tupperware everywhere i go, I eat when Im hungry.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Henda on November 05, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
I have dropped 8lbs in around 14 days, all I did was skip a few meals and didnt snack between meals, I didnt change another thing.
I eat a normal western diet, I dont take piles of tupperware everywhere i go, I eat when Im hungry.

While  I cannot claim to be anywhere near the shape your in, I follow the same tactic if I feel fat creeping on, I skip breakfast or breakfast and first bait at work and have a bit extra water, usually in a fortnight this get you back to square one
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: ratherbebig on November 05, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
If i eat out I rarely ever finish a meal, I can never stomach all the food.

there is something very feminine about that
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: njflex on November 05, 2016, 04:55:06 PM
I have dropped 8lbs in around 14 days, all I did was skip a few meals and didnt snack between meals, I didnt change another thing.
I eat a normal western diet, I dont take piles of tupperware everywhere i go, I eat when Im hungry.
x2 works for me 2...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: ratherbebig on November 05, 2016, 04:57:55 PM
why wouldnt it work? say you eat 5 meals thats enough to maintain current weights. you drop to 3 meals and you will start losing weight
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Thong Maniac on November 06, 2016, 04:55:16 AM
I don't see how diets with have different micro and macro nutrient profiles can have the exact same effect in the body (assuming same calories).
The different foods have different chemical structure.
These different molecules interact with the bodies systems and are metabolized in complex and different ways depending.
Therefore, the physical outcome of different diets interacting with the complex system of the body will not be exactly the same.
It cannot be, impossible. It's logic.




sorry jr. there are no such thing as diff molecules. there are fat molecules, and protein molecules. your body processes a fat molecule the same whether it came from kfc or pizza hut, or it came from a steak. once i learned this, bro dieting became exactly that;'bro filled logic.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Fallsview on November 06, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
I have dropped 8lbs in around 14 days, all I did was skip a few meals and didnt snack between meals, I didnt change another thing.
I eat a normal western diet, I dont take piles of tupperware everywhere i go, I eat when Im hungry.

You just eat a normal Western diet? So you eat lots of beans, franks, taters? You must have lots of farts. How does this effect your anal sex with you boyfriend cowboy?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 06:14:17 AM
Carbohydrates (also called saccharides) are molecular compounds made from just three elements: carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

Proteins are made up of chains of small organic molecules called amino acids such as glycine, alanine, lysine or tryptophan. Amino acids contain an amine functional group, which contains a nitrogen atom, possibly one or two atoms of hydrogen, and a carboxylic acid group, which has the formula -COOH.

Fats. Fats are large molecules that are composed of three fatty acid molecules bonded to a glycerol molecule. The fatty acid molecule is a long chain of covalently bonded carbon atoms with nonpolar bonds to hydrogen atoms all along the carbon chain with a carboxyl group attached to one end.


there you have it. all foods contain the above in differing quantities.

No such thing as clean and dirty food, its just food.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on November 06, 2016, 06:37:20 AM
Carbohydrates (also called saccharides) are molecular compounds made from just three elements: carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

Proteins are made up of chains of small organic molecules called amino acids such as glycine, alanine, lysine or tryptophan. Amino acids contain an amine functional group, which contains a nitrogen atom, possibly one or two atoms of hydrogen, and a carboxylic acid group, which has the formula -COOH.

Fats. Fats are large molecules that are composed of three fatty acid molecules bonded to a glycerol molecule. The fatty acid molecule is a long chain of covalently bonded carbon atoms with nonpolar bonds to hydrogen atoms all along the carbon chain with a carboxyl group attached to one end.


there you have it. all foods contain the above in differing quantities.

No such thing as clean and dirty food, its just food.


I have met a lot of dumb people but you are the king of retards, what messes up food it the way you combine it and eat it, example I go have a bag of chips it has no fiber so it wont be digested properly and it will cash your blood sugar levels your hunger hormones will be out of control you will feel hungry fast eat more food and store body fat, a person keeps doing this and after a while they are overweight.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: njflex on November 06, 2016, 06:41:59 AM

I have met a lot of dumb people but you are the king of retards, what messes up food it the way you combine it and eat it, example I go have a bag of chips it has no fiber so it wont be digested properly and it will cash your blood sugar levels your hunger hormones will be out of control you will feel hungry fast eat more food and store body fat, a person keeps doing this and after a while they are overweight.
your point is thats its a processed waste of calories well yeah it is,but it tastes good to most people,but a meal is always going to be the main staple of what a lifter needs in the end and a steady mix of them.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 07:02:32 AM

I have met a lot of dumb people but you are the king of retards, what messes up food it the way you combine it and eat it, example I go have a bag of chips it has no fiber so it wont be digested properly and it will cash your blood sugar levels your hunger hormones will be out of control you will feel hungry fast eat more food and store body fat, a person keeps doing this and after a while they are overweight.
dumbasses will be fat regardless of what they eat, its because they are dumbasses.

If I eat 70% of what you would call "good food" and 30% of what I call food, are you seriously deluded enough to think you will make less gains as far as training goes?

We have already established potato chips have a higher glycemic index than potatoes so stop saying they will crash your blood sugar you fucking retard.
Im glad you have also admitted that its eating more and not crashing blood sugar that makes you fat.  ;)
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: FREAKgeek on November 06, 2016, 07:41:14 AM
This guy diets for contests by the calorie is a calorie approach, posts pics of him eating pizza and donuts everyday on IG

(http://blog.bmsshop.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/gnbf_dm_rep2.jpg)

That doesn't mean he's living on pizza and donuts. You can get away with eating anything you want for awhile (esp if you supplement and are on drugs) but over time nutritional deficiencies can develop. Stuff you think is normal wear and tear, like having lower energy, aches, pains, digestive problems, sleep problems, can be a sign of a suboptimal diet. There are these things called essential nutrients - vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, protein..that are essential for a reason and simply having sufficient calories may or may not cut it.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
That doesn't mean he's living on pizza and donuts. You can get away with eating anything you want for awhile (esp if you supplement and are on drugs) but over time nutritional deficiencies can develop. Stuff you think is normal wear and tear, like having lower energy, aches, pains, digestive problems, sleep problems, can be a sign of a suboptimal diet. There are these things called essential nutrients - vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, protein..that are essential for a reason and simply having sufficient calories may or may not cut it.
no it means hes having pizza and doughnuts and counting calories and assimilating them into eating in a deficit.

as for vitamins and minerals, take a mutivit every day.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Fallsview on November 06, 2016, 07:56:18 AM
no it means hes having pizza and doughnuts and counting calories and assimilating them into eating in a deficit.

as for vitamins and minerals, take a mutivit every day.

Vitamins? Who the fuck cares about vitamins? You don't need any of that bullshit. Protein, fats, carbs and the right amount of drugs. Not rocket science broski's.
You people are a bunch of fucking idiots. You act like you have to measure food and macros....fuck me. Just count calories dummy. Workout. I diet on 12-18 eggs a day. The human body doesn't need all the food you think it does.

The guy in the pic is a stick. He weighs probably 150 pounds witout steroids. With steroids 187 in that pic. Also...don't believe the weights they tell you. Just like pro wrestlers add 50-75lbs on their billed weight.

Just like eating 6-8 meals a day....Jesus Fucking Christ....just fucking eat when your hungry if your a stick. If you gain fat or have a tendency to get/carry fat don't eat until you really need to that day. Start your day hungry and go as long as you can without eating...this is what I do...it works for dieting.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 08:03:17 AM
Vitamins? Who the fuck cares about vitamins? You don't need any of that bullshit. Protein, fats, carbs and the right amount of drugs. Not rocket science broski's.
You people are a bunch of fucking idiots. You act like you have to measure food and macros....fuck me. Just count calories dummy. Workout. I diet on 12-18 eggs a day. The human body doesn't need all the food you think it does.

The guy in the pic is a stick. He weighs probably 150 pounds witout steroids. With steroids 187 in that pic. Also...don't believe the weights they tell you. Just like pro wrestlers add 50-75lbs on their billed weight.

Just like eating 6-8 meals a day....Jesus Fucking Christ....just fucking eat when your hungry if your a stick. If you gain fat or have a tendency to get/carry fat don't eat until you really need to that day. Start your day hungry and go as long as you can without eating...this is what I do...it works for dieting.

are you aware some contests are judged in weight classes?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: mazrim on November 06, 2016, 08:52:36 AM
That doesn't mean he's living on pizza and donuts. You can get away with eating anything you want for awhile (esp if you supplement and are on drugs) but over time nutritional deficiencies can develop. Stuff you think is normal wear and tear, like having lower energy, aches, pains, digestive problems, sleep problems, can be a sign of a suboptimal diet. There are these things called essential nutrients - vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, protein..that are essential for a reason and simply having sufficient calories may or may not cut it.
You get more nutrients from pizza then oatmeal. He gets plenty.........
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Nirvana on November 06, 2016, 10:14:27 AM
If a calorie is not a calorie then what is it?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Man of Steel on November 06, 2016, 10:16:42 AM
For me calories are just calories.   Eat too many and you add weight.  Eat too few and you lose weight. 

Nothing to do with nutrition so you can eat garbage only and be thin/lean.

You might be in poor health but calories are still just calories.

People will disagree.  That's fine.  Eat too many donuts or too much grilled chicken and you'll get fat.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 06, 2016, 10:29:17 AM
Where is Brock Landers?

Teh AIDS...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: cephissus on November 06, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
In this thread the OP claims he has broken the laws of thermodynamics.    ::)

Have you ever heard of this process called 'digestion' ::)

Also to those who angrily say 'eat when you're hungry, moron'... You people realize that your instincts can degrade, right?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: FREAKgeek on November 06, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
no it means hes having pizza and doughnuts and counting calories and assimilating them into eating in a deficit.

as for vitamins and minerals, take a mutivit every day.


Wait a minute, why does he need a multi? Could it mean he's not eating right? Could it mean a calorie is not a calorie?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Go 4 It on November 06, 2016, 12:02:25 PM

Wait a minute, why does he need a multi? Could it mean he's not eating right? Could it mean a calorie is not a calorie?
Op, you are eating 1800-2000 cals a day? That is very little..and you gained 15 pounds? What is your weight?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: FREAKgeek on November 06, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
For me calories are just calories.   Eat too many and you add weight.  Eat too few and you lose weight. 

Nothing to do with nutrition so you can eat garbage only and be thin/lean.

You might be in poor health but calories are still just calories.

People will disagree.  That's fine.  Eat too many donuts or too much grilled chicken and you'll get fat.

Yeah good health is overrated anyway - such a trivial issue too towards your fitness goals. But then you have conversations with god so maybe he throws you a bone.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on November 06, 2016, 12:34:10 PM
no it means hes having pizza and doughnuts and counting calories and assimilating them into eating in a deficit.

as for vitamins and minerals, take a mutivit every day.

hahahhhaha you just owned yourself you retard telling people to take a mutivit if you have to take a multi that means your diet is lacking so a calorie is not a calorie since you are not getting all the nutrients the body needs.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 12:55:54 PM

Wait a minute, why does he need a multi? Could it mean he's not eating right? Could it mean a calorie is not a calorie?

im not telling anyone to take a mutivit, Im saying if hes concerned about vitamins take a mutivit.

I never take multivits

try eating a gram of vit c.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Man of Steel on November 06, 2016, 01:37:01 PM
Yeah good health is overrated anyway - such a trivial issue too towards your fitness goals. But then you have conversations with god so maybe he throws you a bone.

My point wasn't that nutrition was unimportant, but that it was unrelated to caloric intake in general.  The ideal is obviously a conservative caloric intake that is sourced from nutritious food so that both weight, blood and organs are healthy and optimized.

Now I understand that you dislike that I can answer your religious objections, but don't let it consume you.  Each of us are ignorant on somethings.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: FREAKgeek on November 06, 2016, 01:48:05 PM
My point wasn't that nutrition was unimportant, but that it was unrelated to caloric intake in general.  The ideal is obviously a conservative caloric intake that is sourced from nutritious food so that both weight, blood and organs are healthy and optimized.

Now I understand that you dislike that I can answer your religious objections, but don't let it consume you.  Each of us are ignorant on somethings.


Your dietary viewpoint is well taken, but there are people in here that take it literally.

I would love for you to correct me how I'm wrong about religion being imaginary, but you can't deliver - and I'm not being pejorative or condescending either
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Man of Steel on November 06, 2016, 01:53:13 PM

Your dietary viewpoint is well taken, but there are people in here that take it literally.

I would love for you to correct me how I'm wrong about religion being imaginary, but you can't deliver - and I'm not being pejorative or condescending either

You want me to prove how religion isn't imaginary?   Billions attended religious services today.  Billions have done so for thousands of years.  I'd keep your religious questions to the religion board.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on November 06, 2016, 02:03:41 PM
You want me to prove how religion isn't imaginary?   Billions attended religious services today.  Billions have done so for thousands of years.  I'd keep your religious questions to the religion board.
A religion is just a religion.....
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: valhalla on November 07, 2016, 11:25:00 AM
I guess since a calorie is a calorie, we can just bulk up on these fuels:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fuels-higher-calorific-values-d_169.html

Caloric measurement is just a measurement of heat and energy!

Use an online tool like Chronometer and plot in a days worth of sugarloaded processed food, and watch how deficient it is in nutrients.

 Hormones like Leptin and Ghrelin play a huge role in how we store fat and regulate appetite...and they are very influenced by what we eat.

Same goes for insulin, Igf1 etc etc.

To say fat is fat and carbs are carbs is to say you have no understanding of nutrition!
Coconut oil vs. Lard..sweet potato vs. Jellybeans. Very different structures and pathways in the body, and HUGE difference in hormonal respons.

Of course you can get in shape by eating shit food, but that doesn't mean that its optimal!


Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: JCL on November 07, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
I guess since a calorie is a calorie, we can just bulk up on these fuels:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fuels-higher-calorific-values-d_169.html

Caloric measurement is just a measurement of heat and energy!

Use an online tool like Chronometer and plot in a days worth of sugarloaded processed food, and watch how deficient it is in nutrients.

 Hormones like Leptin and Ghrelin play a huge role in how we store fat and regulate appetite...and they are very influenced by what we eat.

Same goes for insulin, Igf1 etc etc.

To say fat is fat and carbs are carbs is to say you have no understanding of nutrition!
Coconut oil vs. Lard..sweet potato vs. Jellybeans. Very different structures and pathways in the body, and HUGE difference in hormonal respons.

Of course you can get in shape by eating shit food, but that doesn't mean that its optimal!




SOMEONE ELSE THAT GETS IT!

and I thought I was the only non-idiot on these forums.

Great post, bravo.

Keep following your IIFYM approach you fat fucks.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Nirvana on November 07, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
I guess since a calorie is a calorie, we can just bulk up on these fuels:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fuels-higher-calorific-values-d_169.html

Caloric measurement is just a measurement of heat and energy!

Use an online tool like Chronometer and plot in a days worth of sugarloaded processed food, and watch how deficient it is in nutrients.

 Hormones like Leptin and Ghrelin play a huge role in how we store fat and regulate appetite...and they are very influenced by what we eat.

Same goes for insulin, Igf1 etc etc.

To say fat is fat and carbs are carbs is to say you have no understanding of nutrition!
Coconut oil vs. Lard..sweet potato vs. Jellybeans. Very different structures and pathways in the body, and HUGE difference in hormonal respons.

Of course you can get in shape by eating shit food, but that doesn't mean that its optimal!



That's the idea.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: funk51 on November 07, 2016, 03:48:29 PM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.
prac
I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)      i give you dr c f smith original practitioner and exponent of the theory.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!
Title: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 12:41:37 AM
Of course calories matter. If you are in a caloric surplus you will gain weight. A caloric deficit will result in weight lost. But that calorie, that particular macronutrient, reacts quite differently when ingested.

http://ergo-log.com/soft-drink-ruins-slimming-effect-of-high-protein-diet.html
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 12:49:32 AM
Of course calories matter. If you are in a caloric surplus you will gain weight. A caloric deficit will result in weight lost. But that calorie, that particular macronutrient, reacts quite differently when ingested.

http://ergo-log.com/soft-drink-ruins-slimming-effect-of-high-protein-diet.html

stopped when I read this

 
Quote
But allowing yourself toxic fast sugars

sugar isn't toxic to the body, stupid twat.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:17:10 AM
Frankilin Iriarte, thats what it was

I never bothered to find out if that was really it or not

You sad little tragic parasite. Calling ESF fitness relatives to harass them. What a lonely little man you are that has wasted your life and can't stay away from this board. As OMR said, "You are a real POS." You don't have any personal information on me and I have a very common name. If you did you would have tried to harass me in real life. When I type my real name on google nothing comes up because I've never used it on the net and don't have any social media accounts.

As your Parkinson's disease progresses and you start to grow more introspective and look back on your life will you be proud of yourself? In your day you were blessed with good looks, a robust well above average physical genetics, and an above average intelligence but you just wasted yourself. Not because of your so called mental issues. Those mental issues came after you realized you flushed your best years down the toilet and were headed to, well, what you've become now.

Life can be very unforgiving and there are real consequences to the choices that you make. The streets are littered with tragic, hopeless lives such as yourself.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:19:22 AM
stopped when I read this

 
sugar isn't toxic to the body, stupid twat.

Those familiar with the site know that they often make sarcastic remarks and make some attempt at humor.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:22:49 AM
fuck i got some hacker to dox you and get your real info,....i was banned for so long i gave up on posting it
now i cant fucking remember

some weird ass name,.....fuck sakes

You actually recruited someone to investigate me. Really? I mean that much to you. And to think that I give you zero thought in real life. BTW, this ip addy isn't even mine.

This is just another example and where you are at in life.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:27:40 AM
I dont have Parkinsons i lied
i have essential tremors from my medication
sucked a lot of people in for sympathy though,....helped get a solid 3k out of junior
dont worry about esf hes on a hardcore mission with a legal case against me---i hurt his feelers apparently

and you, meh, irrelevant to me. No ill never find your real name in life and yes i would have gone to severe extremes hassling you and your relatives in real life just  cause you are sooooo arrogant. You ever notice i only target arrogant people?

anyways, blah blah weeeeeeeee

"sucked a lot of people in for sympathy though,....helped get a solid 3k out of junior"

Wow. Try to step outside of yourself for a moment and just look at yourself. Look at what you have become.

Things never end well for people like you.

Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:35:49 AM
where am i?
I come on here once every 4 months with a gimmick for one night blabbing about this and that and my life is so bad?

Iwould lay everything, my life on the line, that Ive got more going for me than you.
Youre so convoluted by what others say on here.
Christ I could type on here that Im flying a radar plane over your place and youd believe it

but hey you keep on comin on here 9 days a week  ::) ::) ::)

LOL. Just that fact that I am not on the dole sponging off the taxpayers and on no medication, can hold down a job -- not to mention I can ride in an airplane without crying like a baby in addition to having a huge family that actually talks to me and haven't been in and out of jail puts me head and tails above your sorry ass.

Anyway, we will see who has the last laugh.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:39:31 AM
Im exactly who I wanted to become. Someone who cares zero for the well being of others
and as far as end well,....get a grip wrinkle man, you dont know me or my future

So that was your life's ambition.

Congratulations.

And we know you. We all know you very well. You just told us. And your future is clear. It's just something you never thought about nor planned for.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:43:41 AM
row row row your boat gently down the stream

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

jibbididay

just out of curiosity why do you think my family doesnt talk to me. They all do. Yup im scared of flying, im sure you have a fear too but clearly you are far too studly to admit it

last laugh? Shit i get the last laugh everyday of my life.

Yes, my biggest fear was turning out to be somebody like you. That's why I've never been drunk or high in my life. Put myself through school (though it took seven years since I had to work full time) and got a good job and lived modestly while saving my pennies. I'll retire pretty comfortably in another few years.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:44:56 AM
true story
from the age of 18 my ambition was to do as little as possible, chase the crown of laziest human on earth, somehow make other peoples lives miserable, be a master manipulator and ddo whatever i want when i want. Im not bullshitting you that was it. Im right where I wannabe in life. I do whatever the fuck i want when i want, manipulate nearly everyone, love seeing people suffer and dont give a fuck what others think of me. There is simply no scenario where I couldbe happier,...other than maybe a few more bucks a month

Priceless.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: dseiler on September 19, 2017, 05:03:17 AM
stopped when I read this

 
sugar isn't toxic to the body, stupid twat.

sugar isn't toxic to the body unless you consume it ungodly amounts like most americans do, stupid twat.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 05:25:52 AM
sugar isn't toxic to the body unless you consume it ungodly amounts like most americans do, stupid twat.

Americans consume ungodly amounts of sugar and that makes me the stupid twat?

He wrote sugar, then "toxic", no mention of amounts, that indicated he though sugar was toxic full stop.

Try again dickwad.,
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Griffith on September 19, 2017, 05:38:43 AM
'Sugar is toxic'  ;D
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 19, 2017, 05:41:23 AM
sugar isn't toxic to the body, stupid twat.

Refined sugars are the main cause of inflammation.  

Try a low/no carb diet for a month.  Most of your aches and pains will be substantially decreased.  

Refined sugars = toxic
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Necrosis on September 19, 2017, 05:43:40 AM
Refined sugars are the main cause of inflammation.  

Try a low/no carb diet for a month.  Most of your aches and pains will be substantially decreased.  

Refined sugars = toxic

correct, sugar wrecks the body.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: DooM_ on September 19, 2017, 05:44:23 AM
Refined sugars are the main cause of inflammation.  

Try a low/no carb diet for a month.  Most of your aches and pains will be substantially decreased.  

Refined sugars = toxic

sugar in moderation , like most food , is fine
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 19, 2017, 05:51:21 AM
correct, sugar wrecks the body.

It also causes yeast and an acidic environment which increases the likelihood of cancer.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: DooM_ on September 19, 2017, 05:53:54 AM
It also causes yeast and an acidic environment which increases the likelihood of cancer.

if you're eating a LOT of sugar every day
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Tennisballz on September 19, 2017, 05:55:50 AM
How about just not eating processed foods.  Eating a normal diet consisting of whole foods with plenty of fruits and vegetables will probably make you feel the best. Drink plenty of water, avoid alcohol and caffeine yada yada yada....nothing magical.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 19, 2017, 05:56:28 AM
if you're eating a LOT of sugar every day

And the average American does.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Grape Ape on September 19, 2017, 06:00:14 AM
How about just not eating processed foods.  Eating a normal diet consisting of whole foods with plenty of fruits and vegetables will probably make you feel the best. Drink plenty of water, avoid alcohol and caffeine yada yada yada....nothing magical.

What's wrong with alcohol in moderation and caffeine?
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Never1AShow on September 19, 2017, 06:08:35 AM
Of course calories matter. If you are in a caloric surplus you will gain weight. A caloric deficit will result in weight lost. But that calorie, that particular macronutrient, reacts quite differently when ingested.

http://ergo-log.com/soft-drink-ruins-slimming-effect-of-high-protein-diet.html

That website is some kind of made up advertising phoniness
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: SF1900 on September 19, 2017, 06:11:45 AM
What's wrong with alcohol in moderation and caffeine?

Especially red wine or black coffee.

Both have supposed health benefits.

I don't drink either.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Grape Ape on September 19, 2017, 06:45:34 AM
Especially red wine or black coffee.

Both have supposed health benefits.

I don't drink either.

Black coffee has anti oxidants and keeps the brain sharp.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 19, 2017, 07:05:44 AM
if you're eating a LOT of sugar every day

Without discussing dosage, these arguments get silly as everything is pretty much toxic in excessive amounts.



http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/water/art-20044256?pg=2

Although uncommon, it's possible to drink too much water. When your kidneys can't excrete the excess water, the sodium content of your blood is diluted (hyponatremia) — which can be life-threatening.
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Tennisballz on September 19, 2017, 07:38:33 AM
Black coffee has anti oxidants and keeps the brain sharp.
What do you mean by keeping the brain sharp?  Do you feel that you cant think clearly without caffeine?  If so, you may want to consider that you may be addicted to caffeine. 
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: SF1900 on September 19, 2017, 07:41:56 AM
What do you mean by keeping the brain sharp?  Do you feel that you cant think clearly without caffeine?  If so, you may want to consider that you may be addicted to caffeine.  

But research has shown that black coffee may have physical benefits.

Of course, not in excessive amounts.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: DanM on September 19, 2017, 07:57:21 AM
this calorie is a calorie thing never made any sense to me, every food out there has a different breakdown of macros and the quality of those macros, calories in vs calories out would have the largest role in losing/gaining weight but surely the macro break up also plays a role in body composition and performance
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: DooM_ on September 19, 2017, 09:12:47 AM
this calorie is a calorie thing never made any sense to me, every food out there has a different breakdown of macros and the quality of those macros, calories in vs calories out would have the largest role in losing/gaining weight but surely the macro break up also plays a role in body composition and performance

mike mentzer seemed to believe in the calorie is a calorie view
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: robcguns on September 19, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
If i eat out I rarely ever finish a meal, I can never stomach all the food.

Really?What do you weigh?I have recently come down from 255 to 225 again and my appetite is retarded.I allow myself to eat one huge meal on sundays and this past Sunday it was 2 racks of ribs,mashed potatoes,6 corn bread,mac and cheese,green beans,cucumber salad then my wife only ate half a rack so I ate her half a rack as well and her other let overs and I was still starving.As of now I'm dreaming of Sunday again.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 09:57:19 AM
Really?What do you weigh?I have recently come down from 255 to 225 again and my appetite is retarded.I allow myself to eat one huge meal on sundays and this past Sunday it was 2 racks of ribs,mashed potatoes,6 corn bread,mac and cheese,green beans,cucumber salad then my wife only ate half a rack so I ate her half a rack as well and her other let overs and I was still starving.As of now I'm dreaming of Sunday again.

Im 225 at around 10%BF
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 19, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
Really?What do you weigh?I have recently come down from 255 to 225 again and my appetite is retarded.I allow myself to eat one huge meal on sundays and this past Sunday it was 2 racks of ribs,mashed potatoes,6 corn bread,mac and cheese,green beans,cucumber salad then my wife only ate half a rack so I ate her half a rack as well and her other let overs and I was still starving.As of now I'm dreaming of Sunday again.

You must have produced some epic bowl winders after that meal.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: NelsonMuntz on September 19, 2017, 10:44:50 AM
So I tested it finally. I went on a 8 week diet of eating fast food everyday consisting of;

Tim hortons egg and bacon wraps
Tim hortons chicken wraps
Bourben street grill veggies and chicken only
Mcdonalds chicken wraps
Protein bars
and some other not so typical foods.

I kept my calories around 1800-2000 everyday and I tracked calories everyday.

I put on 15-18 lbs of shitty ass weight and I look soft as shit now.

Just before this, I dieted for a vacaton for 8 weeks, and ate my typical diet foods

Chicken, brocolli, beans, oatmeal, Natural PB, brown rice etc, and got  in great shape.

Im sure everyone is different but for me, a calories is NOT a calorie!

True Adonis must be a genetic freak!

I was in rehab with True Adonis' cousin last November, said he was arrogant and a bully to everyone, especially those who didn't count calories
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 19, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
this calorie is a calorie thing never made any sense to me, every food out there has a different breakdown of macros and the quality of those macros, calories in vs calories out would have the largest role in losing/gaining weight but surely the macro break up also plays a role in body composition and performance

There are two different issues, nutritional value and body composition. The calories in/out rule typically refers to the latter. The whole idea of the calories not mattering came from fat fucks like Jimmy Moore who want to rationalize their pathetic lack of discipline.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 11:58:25 AM
There are two different issues, nutritional value and body composition. The calories in/out rule typically refers to the latter. The whole idea of the calories not mattering came from fat fucks like Jimmy Moore who want to rationalize their pathetic lack of discipline.

I eat a normal western diet, it has no effect on my body composition if I eat chicken and rice all day instead.
only thing is eating chicken and rice doesn't let you eat the same amount of cals.

My body composition changes dependant on how many calories I eat

my food today
2 white toast with cheese and butter
4 oatibix with milk
1 vegetable Kiev and a cheese and pickle sandwich
smoked haddock en route with mashed potatoes with butter
bowl of frosted corn flakes.

I eat like that most days.

Im also 10% bf lean and in shape.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: robcguns on September 19, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
Im 225 at around 10%BF

Weird how you can be that big and lean with a small appetite,you always eaten lightly?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: robcguns on September 19, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
You must have produced some epic bowl winders after that meal.

Oh yes I did hahahah
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Weird how you can be that big and lean with a small appetite,you always eaten lightly?
yes, as a kid I used to go most days with one meal, only time I had two was a school dinner....
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: Grape Ape on September 19, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
What do you mean by keeping the brain sharp?  Do you feel that you cant think clearly without caffeine?  If so, you may want to consider that you may be addicted to caffeine.  

You said to avoid caffeine....i ask why and gave a proven benefit.  I could easily look up more, scientifically proven benefits, but want to know why you said to avoid it.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: robcguns on September 19, 2017, 12:28:57 PM
yes, as a kid I used to go most days with one meal, only time I had two was a school dinner....

Prob a lot healthier for it.My appetite is so big it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: beakdoctor on September 19, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 19, 2017, 12:45:03 PM
c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.

You are aware that fat contains twice as many calories as protein and carbs?

Fuck me mate what a fucking howler.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: dj181 on September 19, 2017, 12:50:19 PM
mike mentzer seemed to believe in the calorie is a calorie view

yep he did as did AJ

just recently ive gone from 13% to 5% and i lost only one pound of lean muscle tissue while eating one meal a day most days

it was a large cappacino coffee and a double chesseburger from mcds

and.... I did this natty  :o

yep im fucking shocked as hell bout it
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: robcguns on September 19, 2017, 01:17:34 PM
yep he did as did AJ

just recently ive gone from 13% to 5% and i lost only one pound of lean muscle tissue while eating one meal a day most days

it was a large cappacino coffee and a double chesseburger from mcds

and.... I did this natty  :o

yep im fucking shocked as hell bout it


How much weight did you lose and how long did it take?
Title: Re: Once again, proof that a calorie is not just a calorie
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
That website is some kind of made up advertising phoniness

They report scientific studies with references you can check and confirm. Very little advertising. Nothing made up.

This one was conducted by sports scientist Shanon Casperson, of the United States Department of Agriculture, published in BMC Nutrition.

Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: dj181 on September 19, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
How much weight did you lose and how long did it take?

bout 20 pounds and it took bout 8 weeks
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.

But those calories are not all processed the same. You are not getting the same amount of available energy with a protein calorie versus a carb calorie. A 100 calories of a carb like oatmeal versus a 100 calories of dextrose is not the same. There is a higher metabolic cost processing a protein and processing a carb high in fiber.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: beakdoctor on September 19, 2017, 09:05:01 PM
You are aware that fat contains twice as many calories as protein and carbs?

Fuck me mate what a fucking howler.

are you dense. my point was a a calorie is a unit of measure, same as a pound is a unit of measure or a yard or a degree. a calorie is a calorie the same way a pound is a pound etc. you missed the point completely. I guess that's why threads like these exist though. so the same 6 or 7 guys can continue to debate this shit over and over again.....let me try to explain. it again if you had a portion of lean meat that provided 200 calories worth of protein vs. a a large Cola drink that provided 200 calories of sugar it would have a different effect on your body because of your bodies response to what you put in it. for example an insulin response to the sugar. the calories are just a unit of measure. the amount of heat required to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree C. nothing will change the value of a calorie. so it's irrelevant to argue wether a calorie is a calorie as it relates to diet.... it's as arbitrary as any other unit of measure. knowing the cause and effect of nutrients is what the debate is really about regardless of what measurement you use.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: beakdoctor on September 19, 2017, 09:11:27 PM
But those calories are not all processed the same. You are not getting the same amount of available energy with a protein calorie versus a carb calorie. A 100 calories of a carb like oatmeal versus a 100 calories of dextrose is not the same. There is a higher metabolic cost processing a protein and processing a carb high in fiber.

I agree completely that's why debating calories is arbitrary. a calorie IS a calorie.I don't understand the insistence on debating it. obviously 200 grams of protein vs 200 grams of simple sugars will have a different effect on the body yet no one ever debates if a gram is a gram because of course it is.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on September 19, 2017, 09:20:01 PM
Try cutting up for a show on lets say....1200 calories. Use only table sugar for your carbs and skim milk for your protein...with the carb content of the milk calculated into that. I dont give a fuck what ratio you use.....60/40...70/30...50/50. See if you get ripped believing that a calorie is a calorie then. Aint gonna happen unless you are a metabolic freak or on meth.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: pellius on September 19, 2017, 10:15:37 PM
I agree completely that's why debating calories is arbitrary. a calorie IS a calorie.I don't understand the insistence on debating it. obviously 200 grams of protein vs 200 grams of simple sugars will have a different effect on the body yet no one ever debates if a gram is a gram because of course it is.

I just like to get my digs into TA every now and then.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 12:08:15 AM
Try cutting up for a show on lets say....1200 calories. Use only table sugar for your carbs and skim milk for your protein...with the carb content of the milk calculated into that. I dont give a fuck what ratio you use.....60/40...70/30...50/50. See if you get ripped believing that a calorie is a calorie then. Aint gonna happen unless you are a metabolic freak or on meth.

aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: dj181 on September 20, 2017, 01:35:54 AM
aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

the brainwash is very strong in many minds my friend
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2017, 02:23:42 AM
aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

Obviously not healthy at all or sustainable in the long term, but will work in terms of results, calories in and calories out.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: pellius on September 20, 2017, 03:08:30 AM
aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 03:16:42 AM
Obviously not healthy at all or sustainable in the long term, but will work in terms of results, calories in and calories out.

Not healthy?
Why, if you are concerned about the lack of vitamins and minerals then take a multi-vit/min.

I always find it funny when "hardcore" bodybuilders eat chicken and rice 6 times a day and bang on about health.
a slice of pizza contains more vitamins and minerals than chicken and rice and they could replace two chicken meals for pizza as long as the cals were the same and lose the same amount of fat and be "healthier" in the process.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 03:18:06 AM
You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 

you are eating protein and carbs, what type of weight do you think you are going to lose?
Muscle tissue can be lost but only due to a severely restrictive calorie count, I myself am guilty of that.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: pellius on September 20, 2017, 03:20:38 AM
Not healthy?
Why, if you are concerned about the lack of vitamins and minerals then take a multi-vit/min.

I always find it funny when "hardcore" bodybuilders eat chicken and rice 6 times a day and bang on about health.
a slice of pizza contains more vitamins and minerals than chicken and rice and they could replace two chicken meals for pizza as long as the cals were the same and lose the same amount of fat and be "healthier" in the process.

Never understood the bashing of ALL supps on this board. You always hear that as long as you eat a balanced diet you don't need supps. Sure, but who eats a balanced diet and what exactly is a balanced diet?
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 03:23:10 AM
Never understood the bashing of ALL supps on this board. You always hear that as long as you eat a balanced diet you don't need supps. Sure, but who eats a balanced diet and what exactly is a balanced diet?

Most vit C these days are a gram, try eating a gram of vit c with food alone.

Although weather they benefit you are another matter.
There is a TV show in the UK called "freaky eaters" there are people on there who have eaten nothing but chips for years, they are not ill or unhealthy.
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Top Poodle on September 20, 2017, 03:34:42 AM
Most vit C these days are a gram, try eating a gram of vit c with food alone.

Although weather they benefit you are another matter.
There is a TV show in the UK called "freaky eaters" there are people on there who have eaten nothing but chips for years, they are not ill or unhealthy.




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Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: dj181 on September 20, 2017, 03:46:49 AM
You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 

I did that all while gear free on one meal a day

lost around 18 pounds of fat and only 1 pound lean muscle tissue

Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 05:34:21 AM
I did that all while gear free on one meal a day

lost around 18 pounds of fat and only 1 pound lean muscle tissue



thats 10% of the muscle tissue you have on your body...
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: dj181 on September 20, 2017, 05:48:32 AM
thats 10% of the muscle tissue you have on your body...

blah blah blah

but heres what funny

if i get to 175 stage weight id mop the damn floor wit ya chief  ;)

dont need to hit a buck 95 as 75 would be good enough to own your ass
Title: Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!
Post by: Simple Simon on September 20, 2017, 10:26:11 AM
blah blah blah

but heres what funny

if i get to 175 stage weight id mop the damn floor wit ya chief  ;)

dont need to hit a buck 95 as 75 would be good enough to own your ass

post a full length pic stud, lets have a laugh

You need a pair of legs to stand onstage, its not a pirate lookalike contest.