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NSAIDs vs Opiates vs homeopathic remedies - what's your experience with dulling the pain of bodybuilding related injuries, aches, pains, etc?
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Just deal with it,don't try to mask it.If you mask the pain you will make it worse.I enjoy pain as without it you wouldn't know what feeling good is like.
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Just deal with it,don't try to mask it.If you mask the pain you will make it worse.I enjoy pain as without it you wouldn't know what feeling good is like.
Yes
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That's an interesting perspective
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how can you possubly be in so much pain. no one here is diggin with shovels all day
all u need us beer every otherday
pussy twice a day
this being in pain is probably from u laying around all day eating steaks
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Soreness is a part of training hard.......I look forward to it.
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how can you possubly be in so much pain. no one here is diggin with shovels all day
all u need us beer every otherday
pussy twice a day
this being in pain is probably from u laying around all day eating steaks
You don't think some of us have worked manual labor for many years in addition to bodybuilding?
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15 jumping jacks
5 cartwheels
and a truffle shuffle
That is all you need.
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15 jumping jacks
5 cartwheels
and a truffle shuffle
That is all you need.
Gyms across the country should hear this. Guaranteed people would try.
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You don't think some of us have worked manual labor for many years in addition to bodybuilding?
with a name like Jamaal you likely run a corner shop in the UK.
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Listen to your bodys feedback and train,eat, and rest accordingly.
You learn that shit over time.
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with a name like Jamaal you likely run a corner shop in the UK.
You seem to be a smart bloke, making sweeping generalizations like this.
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Listen to your bodys feedback and train,eat, and rest accordingly.
You learn that shit over time.
Agreed.
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with a name like Jamaal you likely run a corner shop in the UK.
LOL :D
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Soreness is a part of training hard.......I look forward to it.
Soreness is also a part of getting rammed up the ass....... I know you look foward to that.
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Nubain.
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Nubain.
Isn't Nubain an opiate antagonist? How does it compare to other opiates?
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Tramadol, lovely..... :P
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You don't think some of us have worked manual labor for many years in addition to bodybuilding?
working at the carwash in hs dont count
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working at the carwash in hs dont count
You seem confused boy
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#1- stay away from opiates (including Ultram/Tramadol, a synethic opiate agonist/antagonist ... Withdrawal from that is similar to withdrawal from Nubian & Methadone. Worse than typical straight opiate agonists like heroin or morphine, etc...).
#2- stay away from NSAIDs such as ibuprofen(Advil/Mortin), Aleve, asprin, etc... NSAIDs are COX2 inhibitors that block prostaglandins. If you inhibit prostaglandins, you eliminate the signal to start recovery.
#3- if you're gonna use a "pain reliever", use Tylenol/acetaminophen/paracetamol, since it's not an NSAID, but blocks pain signals in your brain.
* tylenol may be rough on your liver, but your liver can be repaired. Advil can cause irreparable kidney damage (imagine your kidneys going from nice cushy filtering sponges, then imagine those kidneys turning from spongento coral :/ ).
#4- ice.
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#1- stay away from opiates (including Ultram/Tramadol, a synethic opiate agonist/antagonist ... Withdrawal from that is similar to withdrawal from Nubian & Methadone. Worse than typical straight opiate agonists like heroin or morphine, etc...).
#2- stay away from NSAIDs such as ibuprofen(Advil/Mortin), Aleve, asprin, etc... NSAIDs are COX2 inhibitors that block prostaglandins. If you inhibit prostaglandins, you eliminate the signal to start recovery.
#3- if you're gonna use a "pain reliever", use Tylenol/acetaminophen/paracetamol, since it's not an NSAID, but blocks pain signals in your brain.
* tylenol may be rough on your liver, but your liver can be repaired. Advil can cause irreparable kidney damage (imagine your kidneys going from nice cushy filtering sponges, then imagine those kidneys turning from spongento coral :/ ).
#4- ice.
Uncertain if I got the correct message from here, but underlying - you had much experience in your life with opioids?
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Soreness is also a part of getting rammed up the ass....... I know you look foward to that.
Your mom thanked me for doing just that to her asshole last night. ;)
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Soreness is also a part of getting rammed up the ass....... I know you look foward to that.
until the balloon knot gets used to it. By then farts sound like a soft whisper in a field of wheat.
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Uncertain if I got the correct message from here, but underlying - you had much experience in your life with opioids?
Unfortunately yea
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If you have time, an painkiller/opiate guide would be an interesting read by someone with your knowledge.
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Opiates don't do shit for the pain. They go to your brain and you make you feel high so you're not only numb to the pain but you're numb to other shit as well.
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15 jumping jacks
5 cartwheels
and a truffle shuffle
That is all you need.
Here.
Whenever I'm sore and achy, intro-to-intermediate tumbling works wonders.
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Tramadol, lovely..... :P
Yes, sir.
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I once failed to take Dr. Champion's advice and took one prescribed Percoset (spelling?) each day for about a week or more and it actually didn't do much as a pain reliever much to everyone's surprise.
But one doctor did advise me not to sell any excess pills on the street because they were very popular for the drug addicted set who would be willing to buy each and every pill I had for about $70 to $90 each.
Is that true or was he exaggerating?
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Just deal with it,don't try to mask it.If you mask the pain you will make it worse.I enjoy pain as without it you wouldn't know what feeling good is like.
this home boy is a stoic warrior.
he is giving up some awesome philosophy here
good way to think of it.
i try to avoid joint paints/knees/back etc etc i dont mind the soreness feeling - gotta stretch OP
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I dont like em at all. yeah after a surgery use them for 1-2 days or whatever is considered normal for the operation.
but i dont get the whole crazy addicted ppl get to them cuz i dont see the enjoyment in them? yes i like a good buzz but dont get the opiates thing
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Opiates don't do shit for the pain. They go to your brain and you make you feel high so you're not only numb to the pain but you're numb to other shit as well.
Whooooa, easy now. What part of your body hurt when the opiates failed? Because they certainly take away stomach pain from pancreatitis. Which can be pretty damn severe.
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tramadol, It is a weak opiate, and works really well.
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If you have time, an painkiller/opiate guide would be an interesting read by someone with your knowledge.
If i have time i could put something together, but in general you'll develope a tolerance both to the pink killing effects as well as the "high/euphoria". Im reluctant to use the term "high" when referring to opiates, since it's more of a warm blanket-feeling of contentment. "High" i tend to associate with something like weed, which is a dissociative (dissacoiates your mind from reality). Keep in mind that drugs/medications affect people differently. For instance many people get sleepy and nod off with opiates, whereas with me they "woke me up" and i functioned perfectly normal and never made me tired and allowed me to work 5/530am till midnight, get home and get to bed by 1/130am, wake up 4/430am and repeat.
Opiate withdrawal sucks. The withdrawal differs between particular opiates. Heroin/morphine/oxycodone/hydromorphone/oxymorphone withdrawal isnt nearly as bad as methadone or nubain/torbugesic/temgesic(which can last 45+ days). Tramadol/Ultram is unique because it works on 9-13 areas in the brain. In addition to being an opiate agonist/antagonist, it's also a (among other things...) Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor (SNRI) such as Celexa and Effexor, both of which cause shitty, unexpected withdrawal if you happen to miss a dose.
Another shitty part about opiates is that the tolerance stays with you for a long time. For instance, about a month ago i had kidney stones. I suffered through the first couple days, but i had shit to do that couldnt wait, so i bit the bullet and picked up some Percocet. Took 30mg that afternoon and felt nothing. Next day pain was worse... Long story short, 160mgs at once barely made my nose itch although it made so i could stand up outnof a chair without my back feeling like it was going to break (kidney stones give me pain at the very bottom of my lumbar spine... Passing the stones is nothing compared to the 3-5days of pain prior to passing them). 160mgs of oxycodone is a big dose, & keep in mind i hadnt had any opiates for 9+months. Another instance/example would be back in 2003 i was hospitalized for 10 days with pancreatitis and given 1-2mg Diluadid iv every few hours. That 2mg would have me about as "high" as ive ever been and id go from laying on my side in the hospital bed, unable to stand without curling over clutching my stomach , to unplugging my iv unit and walking down to the cafeteria and eating (going against the dr-ordered liquid only diet. Opiates make me hungry as fuck)... Fast forwad to a couple years ago, towards the end of my relapse (aside from the 10days of painkillers in the hospital i was clean from opiates from about dec 2001 till about june 2015 (or 2014? I forget), i ran out of diacetyl-morphine and was in withdrawal, but found some Diluadid. Remember 2mg had an enormous effect on me before.... Now? I shot 24mg iv and i was still in withdrawal. Same thing happened after that and instead of diluadid, i took 240mg oxycodone crushed up at once,& again, was still in withdrawal.
So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.
This is training... Learn to embrace the pain and discomfort.
*i forgot one thing... CBD oil/vape/edibles or whatever. Ive seen promising reports/studies on it being beneficial to athletes as an antiinflamatory/pain-reliever. However ive not used it myself. A lady i used to date happens to be the supplier for 90% of all dispensaries in the desert (5'2" red haired 53yr old latina with f-cup boobs lol)... So maybe I'll hit her up for a CBD vape pen and see how it works.
*far as i know, CBD is non-psychoactive, unlike THC.
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tramadol, It is a weak opiate, and works really well.
Seems to handle pain pretty well without the buzz you get from Norco, Vicodin, or Oxys. But the withdrawals are pretty horrible, if you get hooked. Which many/most do, of course.
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So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.
thank you - all i needed to know
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Just deal with it,don't try to mask it.If you mask the pain you will make it worse.I enjoy pain as without it you wouldn't know what feeling good is like.
this home boy is a stoic warrior.
he is giving up some awesome philosophy here
good way to think of it.
;D That's because his advice may sound vaguely similar to this guys:
"Pain don't hurt..."
Dalton, Roadhouse 1989
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tramadol, It is a weak opiate, and works really well.
Be careful my friend. That Tramadol will sneak up on you. It's dirt cheap all over the internet and making all the rounds.
I urge caution.
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Edible cannabis
- never met a individual with a nice physique that was on opiates for longer than 2 weeks , your just taking them to get laced on a daily basis , even if it's 'to get thru a workout'
shit eats you up , don't care who you are , hell you can't even take a shit correctly on that stuff
Gh and cannabis lifestyle
/thread
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Thread saver.
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Be careful my friend. That Tramadol will sneak up on you. It's dirt cheap all over the internet and making all the rounds.
I urge caution.
I am. Only using until I get my fucked up back fixed.
A friend has been trying to get me To smoke weed instead. Thanks but no thanks.
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So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.
thank you - all i needed to know
This was the original intention. Good doctors still only prescribe sparingly, in minimal doses, and usually as a last resort. Way too addictive.
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If i have time i could put something together, but in general you'll develope a tolerance both to the pink killing effects as well as the "high/euphoria". Im reluctant to use the term "high" when referring to opiates, since it's more of a warm blanket-feeling of contentment. "High" i tend to associate with something like weed, which is a dissociative (dissacoiates your mind from reality). Keep in mind that drugs/medications affect people differently. For instance many people get sleepy and nod off with opiates, whereas with me they "woke me up" and i functioned perfectly normal and never made me tired and allowed me to work 5/530am till midnight, get home and get to bed by 1/130am, wake up 4/430am and repeat.
Opiate withdrawal sucks. The withdrawal differs between particular opiates. Heroin/morphine/oxycodone/hydromorphone/oxymorphone withdrawal isnt nearly as bad as methadone or nubain/torbugesic/temgesic(which can last 45+ days). Tramadol/Ultram is unique because it works on 9-13 areas in the brain. In addition to being an opiate agonist/antagonist, it's also a (among other things...) Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor (SNRI) such as Celexa and Effexor, both of which cause shitty, unexpected withdrawal if you happen to miss a dose.
Another shitty part about opiates is that the tolerance stays with you for a long time. For instance, about a month ago i had kidney stones. I suffered through the first couple days, but i had shit to do that couldnt wait, so i bit the bullet and picked up some Percocet. Took 30mg that afternoon and felt nothing. Next day pain was worse... Long story short, 160mgs at once barely made my nose itch although it made so i could stand up outnof a chair without my back feeling like it was going to break (kidney stones give me pain at the very bottom of my lumbar spine... Passing the stones is nothing compared to the 3-5days of pain prior to passing them). 160mgs of oxycodone is a big dose, & keep in mind i hadnt had any opiates for 9+months. Another instance/example would be back in 2003 i was hospitalized for 10 days with pancreatitis and given 1-2mg Diluadid iv every few hours. That 2mg would have me about as "high" as ive ever been and id go from laying on my side in the hospital bed, unable to stand without curling over clutching my stomach , to unplugging my iv unit and walking down to the cafeteria and eating (going against the dr-ordered liquid only diet. Opiates make me hungry as fuck)... Fast forwad to a couple years ago, towards the end of my relapse (aside from the 10days of painkillers in the hospital i was clean from opiates from about dec 2001 till about june 2015 (or 2014? I forget), i ran out of diacetyl-morphine and was in withdrawal, but found some Diluadid. Remember 2mg had an enormous effect on me before.... Now? I shot 24mg iv and i was still in withdrawal. Same thing happened after that and instead of diluadid, i took 240mg oxycodone crushed up at once,& again, was still in withdrawal.
So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.
This is training... Learn to embrace the pain and discomfort.
*i forgot one thing... CBD oil/vape/edibles or whatever. Ive seen promising reports/studies on it being beneficial to athletes as an antiinflamatory/pain-reliever. However ive not used it myself. A lady i used to date happens to be the supplier for 90% of all dispensaries in the desert (5'2" red haired 53yr old latina with f-cup boobs lol)... So maybe I'll hit her up for a CBD vape pen and see how it works.
*far as i know, CBD is non-psychoactive, unlike THC.
then writes epic post, fuck me Im glad you dont have time...
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;D That's because his advice may sound vaguely similar to this guys:
"Pain don't hurt..."
Dalton, Roadhouse 1989
wait until he gets a kidney stone....
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Painkiller use should be limited to when you truly need them, otherwise one day you may actually need them and they don't do shit for your pain as you are that used to them they don't work any more
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Be careful my friend. That Tramadol will sneak up on you. It's dirt cheap all over the internet and making all the rounds.
I urge caution.
Still seen as mild and not very addictive in the medical community for some reason. That shit has me feeling extremely good, wonderful for draining physical/boring work. But even just a couple of days use has me feeling like shit for a couple days after stopping. Extremely good antidepressant that works immediately; a friend actually claimed he had it prescribed for depression by some crazy doc.
Makes it hard/impossible to orgasm.
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Still seen as mild and not very addictive in the medical community for some reason. That shit has me feeling extremely good, wonderful for draining physical/boring work. But even just a couple of days use has me feeling like shit for a couple days after stopping. Extremely good antidepressant that works immediately; a friend actually claimed he had it prescribed for depression by some crazy doc.
Makes it hard/impossible to orgasm.
Because it also works as an SSRI and SNRI.
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I dont like em at all. yeah after a surgery use them for 1-2 days or whatever is considered normal for the operation.
but i dont get the whole crazy addicted ppl get to them cuz i dont see the enjoyment in them? yes i like a good buzz but dont get the opiates thing
Everybodys chemistry is different. Ive never seen the enjoyment in any kind of stimulant or benzo, yet some ppl abuse them and get addicted. Kinda irritating when you mention to a dr that you had an opiate problem and because of that he refuses to write a script for 1mg klonopin 2x per day (when you use the same dose of benzo today as you did/have since 2001)... Yet has no problem prescribing 8 tabs of Tramadol per day. :/
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For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training
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Because it also works as an SSRI and SNRI.
Yeah I know. I remember when Duchaine had it in his Nubain detox protocol. He also thought it wasn't addictive.
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For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training
Started nubain because of a shoulder and neck injury. I was "straight edge" all through high school... No drinking, no weed etc... Actually quit nubain after about 2 months. By then id figured out it got you "high"(content, at least) and had figured out how to shoot it iv. I actually sold my last 3/4 full bottle to the guy who got me started on it (scott markey) & was off for a couple weeks until i had an argument with my boys mom and bought a couple cc's from him and stayed on for about 1.5yrs.
Then was on ultram for a neck/back injury. Dr had me on 8 tabs a day. Got to the point where i didnt like the sides and tapered down to 3 per day, then it became a controlled substance and i had to make an appointment with a dr to get a refill and the dr would only write the script for 20 days and i ended up with 10-12days tillnmy next dr apt. Just so happened that a guy called and had diluadid tabs for dirt cheap and i ended up using those till he was out. His girlfriend knew ppl who did heroin, so i thought that'd be cheaper and more effective. Lol.. Ended up using that for a year and a half. If theyd never made ultram a controlled substance i never wouldve went to black market diluadid, much less blown $78k on heroin. Looking back, what i spent on 1 days worth of heroin wouldve bought 2-3months worth of ultram.
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For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training
tramadol for lower back pain here, and yes doctor thinks in was caused by lifting.
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Crazy how some get addicted.when I toe my bicep and labrum they gave me oxy.
...never used them all.
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Still seen as mild and not very addictive in the medical community for some reason. That shit has me feeling extremely good, wonderful for draining physical/boring work. But even just a couple of days use has me feeling like shit for a couple days after stopping. Extremely good antidepressant that works immediately; a friend actually claimed he had it prescribed for depression by some crazy doc.
Makes it hard/impossible to orgasm.
Oh yes. Look out! For 48-72 hours you won't be able to walk to your car without wanting to take a nap. Plus, nothing will "sound good" pizza, sushi, sex, big tits, going to a casino, going to a party... motivation levels will be extremely low.
I realize everyone responds differently. Just a little heads-up.
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If i have time i could put something together, but in general you'll develope a tolerance both to the pink killing effects as well as the "high/euphoria". Im reluctant to use the term "high" when referring to opiates, since it's more of a warm blanket-feeling of contentment. "High" i tend to associate with something like weed, which is a dissociative (dissacoiates your mind from reality). Keep in mind that drugs/medications affect people differently. For instance many people get sleepy and nod off with opiates, whereas with me they "woke me up" and i functioned perfectly normal and never made me tired and allowed me to work 5/530am till midnight, get home and get to bed by 1/130am, wake up 4/430am and repeat.
Opiate withdrawal sucks. The withdrawal differs between particular opiates. Heroin/morphine/oxycodone/hydromorphone/oxymorphone withdrawal isnt nearly as bad as methadone or nubain/torbugesic/temgesic(which can last 45+ days). Tramadol/Ultram is unique because it works on 9-13 areas in the brain. In addition to being an opiate agonist/antagonist, it's also a (among other things...) Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor (SNRI) such as Celexa and Effexor, both of which cause shitty, unexpected withdrawal if you happen to miss a dose.
Another shitty part about opiates is that the tolerance stays with you for a long time. For instance, about a month ago i had kidney stones. I suffered through the first couple days, but i had shit to do that couldnt wait, so i bit the bullet and picked up some Percocet. Took 30mg that afternoon and felt nothing. Next day pain was worse... Long story short, 160mgs at once barely made my nose itch although it made so i could stand up outnof a chair without my back feeling like it was going to break (kidney stones give me pain at the very bottom of my lumbar spine... Passing the stones is nothing compared to the 3-5days of pain prior to passing them). 160mgs of oxycodone is a big dose, & keep in mind i hadnt had any opiates for 9+months. Another instance/example would be back in 2003 i was hospitalized for 10 days with pancreatitis and given 1-2mg Diluadid iv every few hours. That 2mg would have me about as "high" as ive ever been and id go from laying on my side in the hospital bed, unable to stand without curling over clutching my stomach , to unplugging my iv unit and walking down to the cafeteria and eating (going against the dr-ordered liquid only diet. Opiates make me hungry as fuck)... Fast forwad to a couple years ago, towards the end of my relapse (aside from the 10days of painkillers in the hospital i was clean from opiates from about dec 2001 till about june 2015 (or 2014? I forget), i ran out of diacetyl-morphine and was in withdrawal, but found some Diluadid. Remember 2mg had an enormous effect on me before.... Now? I shot 24mg iv and i was still in withdrawal. Same thing happened after that and instead of diluadid, i took 240mg oxycodone crushed up at once,& again, was still in withdrawal.
So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.
This is training... Learn to embrace the pain and discomfort.
*i forgot one thing... CBD oil/vape/edibles or whatever. Ive seen promising reports/studies on it being beneficial to athletes as an antiinflamatory/pain-reliever. However ive not used it myself. A lady i used to date happens to be the supplier for 90% of all dispensaries in the desert (5'2" red haired 53yr old latina with f-cup boobs lol)... So maybe I'll hit her up for a CBD vape pen and see how it works.
*far as i know, CBD is non-psychoactive, unlike THC.
AMAZING quality post, and all of the information checks out from my knowledge.
My question is: what dose did they start you on initially for each of the opiates? 160mg is quite high by any stretch... If you started at 5mg and made it up to 160+ for little or no effect, that's terrifying.
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Stay away from any and all Opiates and Opioids or at least take them minimally if needed for surgery etc. It will ruin you if you take them for any extended amount of time.
I've seen so many people, good decent people, go down this path and sadly didn't make it.
The worst thing that you go through is NOT the withdrawal. That won't kill you. You'll want to die but you won't.
What gets people is PAWS (Post-acute withdrawal syndrome). What happens is that all the drugs are out of your system and you've detoxed. But you still feel shitty. You can't sleep, have restless leg syndrome, no energy, depression, skin crawling for weeks and even months and generaly hate life. You wonder, will you ever feel normal again. This is when people relapse.
So someone thinks after "2 or 3 months " that this sucks and why are they even clean to begin with. So that take something like they normally do yet they have a virgin clean system and then BAMM, they OD.
It literally takes over a year for the brain to get back to normal. The longer someone is on this shit the longer it takes for the brain to heal itself.
In layman's terms, this is what happens.
We have opiate receptors in our brain since we make our own natural pain killers called endorphins. Think of these receptors as locks and the endorphins as the keys to these locks.
When you take pain killers they fill these locks and you feel great. But because of the abundance of opiates that are flooding the body the brain makes MORE opiate receptors that want to be filled. The results are tolerance and having to take more and more PK's to get the same results.
So when you do stop you're left with thousand and thousands of extra opiate receptors and also a suppressed endorphin "factory" that has shut down because you were already getting more than enough opiates via the pills.
That results in 2 things that are going on. More opiate receptors and no natural production of endorphins and that's what cause PAWS.
The brain has to go through shutting down all these extra receptors while increasing it's natural production of endorphins. It's really a horrible feeling and takes forever. And like someone said, even after a year and you take something that a normal person would get relief from, it doesn't do one thing to you. You might as well be eating an M&M.
Some people can take these things and be perfectly OK. Others not so much. But if you have to take PK's to lift then my suggestion is don't lift. Do something else because it will catch you and when it does that's all she wrote.
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until the balloon knot gets used to it. By then farts sound like a soft whisper in a field of wheat.
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences.
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Crazy how some get addicted.when I toe my bicep and labrum they gave me oxy.
...never used them all.
May I have them?
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May I have them?
For scientific research
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This was the original intention. Good doctors still only prescribe sparingly, in minimal doses, and usually as a last resort. Way too addictive.
Not entirely sure that was by design.
For a dash of humor, recall that Bayer marketed heroin once upon a time
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Started nubain because of a shoulder and neck injury. I was "straight edge" all through high school... No drinking, no weed etc... Actually quit nubain after about 2 months. By then id figured out it got you "high"(content, at least) and had figured out how to shoot it iv. I actually sold my last 3/4 full bottle to the guy who got me started on it (scott markey) & was off for a couple weeks until i had an argument with my boys mom and bought a couple cc's from him and stayed on for about 1.5yrs.
Then was on ultram for a neck/back injury. Dr had me on 8 tabs a day. Got to the point where i didnt like the sides and tapered down to 3 per day, then it became a controlled substance and i had to make an appointment with a dr to get a refill and the dr would only write the script for 20 days and i ended up with 10-12days tillnmy next dr apt. Just so happened that a guy called and had diluadid tabs for dirt cheap and i ended up using those till he was out. His girlfriend knew ppl who did heroin, so i thought that'd be cheaper and more effective. Lol.. Ended up using that for a year and a half. If theyd never made ultram a controlled substance i never wouldve went to black market diluadid, much less blown $78k on heroin. Looking back, what i spent on 1 days worth of heroin wouldve bought 2-3months worth of ultram.
78k? Unaware of street costs, especially of that drug - how does that relate to pharmaceutical optiate costs?
Were you unable to get a prescription, or did you tolerance go so high that you were almost forced into switching?
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I was told recently by a sports physiotherapist that in the acute stage of inflammation, using ibuprofen in order to bring down that high level of inflammation is important to help with recovery.
Inflammation is a part of the recovery process, but this should be differentiated from acute inflammation which will not help the recovery process.
It's the same with something like an eye infection, you first need to get rid of the high-level of inflammation and then once that is gone the recovery process can begin or at least resolve faster.
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Stay clean and stay in school; !! :)
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Stay clean and stay in school; !! :)
Say no to drugs
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Not entirely sure that was by design.
For a dash of humor, recall that Bayer marketed heroin once upon a time
Cough suppressant, I guess.
Imagine all the phony coughers all a sudden: "Say, Doc. Cough. That, uh, Bayer medicine, cough-cough ..."
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Cough suppressant, I guess.
Imagine all the phony coughers all a sudden: "Say, Doc. Cough. That, uh, Bayer medicine, cough-cough ..."
That's what was referencing! Oh Bayer... You certainly had an idea at least
And if you're curious, $4.85 today would be $131.85 today. No clue what street prices are of that same quantity - but I'm sure if there was insurance back then, it would cover most.
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That's what was referencing! Oh Bayer... You certainly had an idea at least
And if you're curious, $4.85 today would be $131.85 today. No clue what street prices are of that same quantity - but I'm sure if there was insurance back then, it would cover most.
whats your pain symptoms
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I was told recently by a sports physiotherapist that in the acute stage of inflammation, using ibuprofen in order to bring down that high level of inflammation is important to help with recovery.
Inflammation is a part of the recovery process, but this should be differentiated from acute inflammation which will not help the recovery process.
It's the same with something like an eye infection, you first need to get rid of the high-level of inflammation and then once that is gone the recovery process can begin or at least resolve faster.
NSAIDs only work for so long, and some cannot even take them.
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Unless you have an intolerable injury, avoid NSAIDs and painkillers.
Try reducing inflammation through dietary and lifestyle interventions. I dealt with chronic inflammation for years and always abstained from taking NSAIDs unless the inflammation and pain were so bad that more damage would be done by toughing it out.
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NSAIDs vs Opiates vs homeopathic remedies - what's your experience with dulling the pain of bodybuilding related injuries, aches, pains, etc?
I have no pain whatsoever. Arguably, I have very little psychological pain.
Tonight is my sixth time taking Xanax. I am currently on 4.5mg as of this post and feel very tired. I feel too tired to enjoy being "high". Admittedly, I don't care about anything right. It's making my usual anger about leftists subside. But is that a good thing? I/we should be annoyed with leftist scum. So I don't know what to say.
Let me do a typing test now and see how close I come to my 120 words per minute personal record. I feel very, very tired.
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I have no pain whatsoever. Arguably, I have very little psychological pain.
Tonight is my sixth time taking Xanax. I am currently on 4.5mg as of this post and feel very tired. I feel too tired to enjoy being "high". Admittedly, I don't care about anything right. It's making my usual anger about leftists subside. But is that a good thing? I/we should be annoyed with leftist scum. So I don't know what to say.
Let me do a typing test now and see how close I come to my 120 words per minute personal record. I feel very, very tired.
4.5mgs is a big dose. Ive used benzos since 2000/2001 and never go over 1mg xanax at once or 1.5mg total in a day.
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4.5mgs is a big dose. Ive used benzos since 2000/2001 and never go over 1mg xanax at once or 1.5mg total in a day.
I don't feel out of it - just like I've been sapped of my energy. Does that make sense? I feel no anxiety, to be sure. But I just basically feel extremely tired. I'm fighting staying awake. I bet I would sleep the moment my head hit the pillow. What do you make of this?
As for the typing test, this is why worst result for sure - at least as far as I can remember.
So obviously this drug is slowing me down.
Does it help to throw in a Percocet, or will that do nothing? Keep in mind that I am relatively naive to these drugs. So no tolerance. But would that combination be a bad thing?
Discuss this.
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I don't feel out of it - just like I've been sapped of my energy. Does that make sense? I feel no anxiety, to be sure. But I just basically feel extremely tired. I'm fighting staying awake. I bet I would sleep the moment my head hit the pillow. What do you make of this?
As for the typing test, this is why worst result for sure - at least as far as I can remember.
So obviously this drug is slowing me down.
Does it help to throw in a Percocet, or will that do nothing? Keep in mind that I am relatively naive to these drugs. So no tolerance. But would that combination be a bad thing?
Discuss this.
That's all benzos do for me. I see ho recreational value. You just fall asleep.
Dont bother wasting a perc... You wont be awake long enough to enjoy it.
Nice combo back in the day (before my opiate tolerance was through the roof) was whatever opiate you had (10mgs or whatever of vicodin or perc or whatever) with a low dose benzo (5-10valium, 1/2mg xanax, 1mg klonopin.. Those arnt quite equivilents btw), with 2 soma (700mg).
Mind you, mixing opiates & benzos & soma increases your chance of falling asleep and dying due to your breathing getting shallow. Fortunately/unfortunately i had/have a huge tolerance.
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I have no pain whatsoever. Arguably, I have very little psychological pain.
Tonight is my sixth time taking Xanax. I am currently on 4.5mg as of this post and feel very tired. I feel too tired to enjoy being "high". Admittedly, I don't care about anything right. It's making my usual anger about leftists subside. But is that a good thing? I/we should be annoyed with leftist scum. So I don't know what to say.
Let me do a typing test now and see how close I come to my 120 words per minute personal record. I feel very, very tired.
Way too much for a daily dose. Doctor prescribe this much?
That stuff can be a nightmare, careful. Among the worst withdrawals imaginable.
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Avoid benzos, yes. Xanax should only be used in emergencies. People seriously underestimate the destructiveness of that drug.
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Avoid benzos, yes. Xanax should only be used in emergencies. People seriously underestimate the destructiveness of that drug.
I've seen people who still have withdrawals almost a year after quitting. It turns temporary, moderate anxiety into long-term (if not permanent) severe anxiety.
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I don't feel out of it - just like I've been sapped of my energy. Does that make sense? I feel no anxiety, to be sure. But I just basically feel extremely tired. I'm fighting staying awake. I bet I would sleep the moment my head hit the pillow. What do you make of this?
As for the typing test, this is why worst result for sure - at least as far as I can remember.
So obviously this drug is slowing me down.
Does it help to throw in a Percocet, or will that do nothing? Keep in mind that I am relatively naive to these drugs. So no tolerance. But would that combination be a bad thing?
Discuss this.
I don't know what Percs are exactly, how strong, but like Esfitness said it's a dangerous combo. I saw some documentary about how most deadly heroin and other opiate OD's are due to mixing these classes of drugs.
I've taken very few benzos in my life but they don't really make you high. But if one is suffering from crushing anxiety and panic the temporary relief can be sort of a high and make you able to think positive for a brief while.
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I've seen people who still have withdrawals almost a year after quitting. It turns temporary, moderate anxiety into long-term (if not permanent) severe anxiety.
I've seen commentary about how benzos creates panic syndrome in many people, saw some studies on it. Before they just had some level of anxiety, after too many benzos they were in an unimaginable hell.
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I was told recently by a sports physiotherapist that in the acute stage of inflammation, using ibuprofen in order to bring down that high level of inflammation is important to help with recovery.
Inflammation is a part of the recovery process, but this should be differentiated from acute inflammation which will not help the recovery process.
It's the same with something like an eye infection, you first need to get rid of the high-level of inflammation and then once that is gone the recovery process can begin or at least resolve faster.
Yes there are different opinions on NSAIDs and inflammation. Some say "runaway inflammation" after acute injury is bad and should be "controlled". Others think differently.
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I don't know what Percs are exactly, how strong, but like Esfitness said it's a dangerous combo. I saw some documentary about how most deadly heroin and other opiate OD's are due to mixing these classes of drugs.
I've taken very few benzos in my life but they don't really make you high. But if one is suffering from crushing anxiety and panic the temporary relief can be sort of a high and make you able to think positive for a brief while.
Percs are oxycodone and acetaminophen/paracetamol. Usually 5-10mg of oxy. Oxycodone is generally 33-50% "stronger" than hydrocodone mg per mg.
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NSAIDs only work for so long, and some cannot even take them.
In my case, I was advised to use ibuprofen for two weeks.
Thankfully, I tolerate it very well, I always make sure to eat first though.
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Way too much for a daily dose. Doctor prescribe this much?
That stuff can be a nightmare, careful. Among the worst withdrawals imaginable.
2mg did nothing, so I just kept upping it. This is my sixth time using Xanax this month. Most likely will be my last. I'm not overly concerned about withdrawals, with only six uses, spaced out with days in between. I just feel extremely tired. I will fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow.
Not really sure the point of this drug. I guess you just feel no anxiety at all. No euphoria, but no anxiety.
PS - I added another 1mg. So 5.5mg today. Just feel tired. Still got another 100 result on my typing test. I'm still typing coherently now, am I not?
These things just make me tired. I I have no interest in doing them again.
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That's all benzos do for me. I see ho recreational value. You just fall asleep.
Dont bother wasting a perc... You wont be awake long enough to enjoy it.
Nice combo back in the day (before my opiate tolerance was through the roof) was whatever opiate you had (10mgs or whatever of vicodin or perc or whatever) with a low dose benzo (5-10valium, 1/2mg xanax, 1mg klonopin.. Those arnt quite equivilents btw), with 2 soma (700mg).
Mind you, mixing opiates & benzos & soma increases your chance of falling asleep and dying due to your breathing getting shallow. Fortunately/unfortunately i had/have a huge tolerance.
The dying in your sleep part scares me a bit. Fuck the perc. I will do it on Sunday. Or two. ;D
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The dying in your sleep part scares me a bit. Fuck the perc. I will do it on Sunday. Or two. ;D
It increases the chance of respiratory depression - and since that's already slowed while sleeping, it's a bad mix.
ESFitness - did you ever look into the potentiation and blocking of the C-enzymes that break down its bioavailability when taken orally?
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Good song.
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Benzos are terrible I use them one or twice a month. Been doing that for a few years. I have been using a research benzo called etizolam you can get it online legally. Stuff is terrible for you. Rebound anxiety for a week after one dose.
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2mg did nothing, so I just kept upping it. This is my sixth time using Xanax this month. Most likely will be my last. I'm not overly concerned about withdrawals, with only six uses, spaced out with days in between. I just feel extremely tired. I will fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow.
Not really sure the point of this drug. I guess you just feel no anxiety at all. No euphoria, but no anxiety.
PS - I added another 1mg. So 5.5mg today. Just feel tired. Still got another 100 result on my typing test. I'm still typing coherently now, am I not?
These things just make me tired. I I have no interest in doing them again.
Ideally, that's exactly the drug's point. Relieve anxiety, no buzz. You'd think it'd less addictive that way, but no.
Guess I'm not understanding you: You took them for anxiety or to get high? Because it seems they worked perfectly on the former.
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In layman's terms, this is what happens.
When you take pain killers they fill these locks and you feel great. But because of the abundance of opiates that are flooding the body the brain makes MORE opiate receptors that want to be filled.
Really? So by simply flooding the bloodstream with extra 'X' we can force the body to create extra 'X' receptors...? For real? This is an astounding new field of medicine you've discovered dude! By simply overdosing someone with something (X), you can actually change their biology to make the body 'desire' substance 'X'.
Presumably your theory works for steroids too, right? The more you take, the more your body creates receptors for the substance, so it just gets better and better....... amazing...
Wow, and they say this forum isn't worth sh1t..... ... 8)
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I have a script for Diazapam......I`d be a mess without it.
I only take as needed.
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I have a script for Diazapam......I`d be a mess without it.
I only take as needed.
"As needed" due to the long half life allowing you to get away with off days in between dosing?
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It increases the chance of respiratory depression - and since that's already slowed while sleeping, it's a bad mix.
ESFitness - did you ever look into the potentiation and blocking of the C-enzymes that break down its bioavailability when taken orally?
Yep. Except only when taking opiate pills. Used benedryl, tonic water (with quinine... Learned that from one of the few conversations with tom prince), tagamet, & about 20oz of white grapefruit juice all about 30-45mins prior to taking the tabs. Only really did that when using pills, unless i was running low on H. Cant honestly say I noticed much difference. Pills to me would be a waste of time& money since it'd take me 200+mgs of oxycodone or 20+ mg of diluadid to feel anything,& even then the "feeling is sub-par.
Now, after being clean for a lil under a year I've found a combo of 800mg Gabapentin (nerve damage in my hand/arms mostly, but also neck & back issues.. For whatever reason Lyrics doesn't have the same effect. Actually feels worse.), along with 20mg baclophen (mild muscle relaxant. Started using that after reading studies treating alcohol withdrawal/cravings/anxiety successfull), & .10-.15mg clonidine 3x per day works really, really well. It's not an intoxicating feeling, but definitely produces a sort of I can't feel my face physical & mental "high"... All without any feelings of withdrawal. Not hard to get scripts for those meds either. Allows me to fall asleep "naturally",also doesn't interfere with training or make you feel under the influence. I'd assuredly recommend the Gabapentin Baclofen and clonidine combination over a combination of opiates benzos and your typically abused muscle relaxants such as Soma.
I'm surprised by how many people don't take a pro-active approach & spend the time to learn about the drugs/meds they take in order to achieve the desired effect and minimize negative effects.
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"As needed" due to the long half life allowing you to get away with off days in between dosing?
I have a sever anxiety disorder.......don`t know about half lives but I very rarely take them as a rule.
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I have a sever anxiety disorder.......don`t know about half lives but I very rarely take them as a rule.
Do you take minerals and magnesium in larger doses? Homeopathic changes and remedies seem to work better than benzodiazepines in a good many cases (seeing as there are no risk of physical dependence; just minor gastrointestinal disturbances)
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I've seen commentary about how benzos creates panic syndrome in many people, saw some studies on it. Before they just had some level of anxiety, after too many benzos they were in an unimaginable hell.
This. Benzodiazepines seem to work for VERY short duration, before creating the dependence which turns to rebound anxiety.
Just isn't worth it.
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Yep. Except only when taking opiate pills. Used benedryl, tonic water (with quinine... Learned that from one of the few conversations with tom prince)
Good idea since Tom Prince is well known for his wise pill choices. Hahahahaha.......
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Good idea since Tom Prince is well known for his wise pill choices. Hahahahaha.......
TP was an iv drug user. Painkillers & coke.
The quinine actually came up when talking about cramps
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Yep. Except only when taking opiate pills. Used benedryl, tonic water (with quinine... Learned that from one of the few conversations with tom prince), tagamet, & about 20oz of white grapefruit juice all about 30-45mins prior to taking the tabs. Only really did that when using pills, unless i was running low on H. Cant honestly say I noticed much difference. Pills to me would be a waste of time& money since it'd take me 200+mgs of oxycodone or 20+ mg of diluadid to feel anything,& even then the "feeling is sub-par.
Now, after being clean for a lil under a year I've found a combo of 800mg Gabapentin (nerve damage in my hand/arms mostly, but also neck & back issues.. For whatever reason Lyrics doesn't have the same effect. Actually feels worse.), along with 20mg baclophen (mild muscle relaxant. Started using that after reading studies treating alcohol withdrawal/cravings/anxiety successfull), & .10-.15mg clonidine 3x per day works really, really well. It's not an intoxicating feeling, but definitely produces a sort of I can't feel my face physical & mental "high"... All without any feelings of withdrawal. Not hard to get scripts for those meds either. Allows me to fall asleep "naturally",also doesn't interfere with training or make you feel under the influence. I'd assuredly recommend the Gabapentin Baclofen and clonidine combination over a combination of opiates benzos and your typically abused muscle relaxants such as Soma.
I'm surprised by how many people don't take a pro-active approach & spend the time to learn about the drugs/meds they take in order to achieve the desired effect and minimize negative effects.
Gabapentin has got to be real addictive as well. It's abused by druggies too. I think 'necrosis' here on getbig mentioned he did some damage to his brain with too much gabapentin and pregabalin. I tried like 150mg a few times and it was "better" than benzos for me, anti-anxiety and mood lift.
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Loved my 80's back in the day....right up the old schnozzola.
When it came to 5ish a day, I realized the fun was over.
Caused hell in my life though for sure.
Was great for ultra low carbs before show but got carried away: especially being married with two kids, Formen of Union paint crew, the added stress of show prep etc....the shit made me a true fucking machine but feeling Life I was not.
Took me 36 days of no sleep to get over the hump. Hard times.
Phenibut here and there and dank green will work just fine.
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beer n pussy kill pain
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TP was an iv drug user. Painkillers & coke.
The quinine actually came up when talking about cramps
I was kidding. I'm sure his problems weren't caused by Advil. What is quinine?
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Gabapentin has got to be real addictive as well. It's abused by druggies too. I think 'necrosis' here on getbig mentioned he did some damage to his brain with too much gabapentin and pregabalin. I tried like 150mg a few times and it was "better" than benzos for me, anti-anxiety and mood lift.
I started at 100mg, then 300, then 600 and finally 800mg 3-4x per day. Honestly used by itself I feel Nothing at all from it. Far as I know there's no "max dosage". I know a couple guys who use large doses at once and get a speedy feeling from it (like 2400-3200mg at once). I use it for my hand primarily. Unaware of anybody having addiction/withdrawal issues with it.
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I was kidding. I'm sure his problems weren't caused by Advil. What is quinine?
Quinine I guess was used to treat malaria. Comes from the bark of a tree. Was talking to TP at world gym marina del Rey about my hams and calves cramping and he mentioned it... Then somehow it came up that it potentiates opiates.
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beer n pussy kill pain
this^^
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Shut the fuck up, Harden the fuck up and do what u do. Then u die.
U need to get pussyteminated!
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Shut the fuck up, Harden the fuck up and do what u do. Then u die.
U need to get pussyteminated!
Speaks the truth, this one.
Too many unhardened, still-living speakers reluctant to get pussyteminated.
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Unaware of anybody having addiction/withdrawal issues with it.
There simply isn't any free ride when it comes to drugs, especially gabaergics. I took like 10 tabs and it was enough to tell me it was just too good not to be problematic eventually. They used to say Lyrica wasn't very addictive either and it was prescribed in place of benzos for that reason. Turns out it was extremely addictive in the real world and very hard to get off of. Someone in the medical field said on professionalmuscle that there seem to be way too many scripts written for gabapentin compared to how many people there are with legitimate nerve pain... so it is a drug of "abuse" in his view.
'Necrosis' said pregabalin was more "speedy".
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I hate humanity.
It's sad to me. I feel I have a lot of good qualities, but especially in Canada, being "racist" [simply suggesting most murder from any race is intra-racial is somehow racist] is a major ordeal. Not only is it socially unacceptable, it is now becoming illegal in Canada:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/26/canada-moves-forward-anti-islamophobia-measures
This will, of course, result in a Trump-like character getting elected in Canada eventually.
That said, what will make me hate people less?
Xanax made me feel absolutely nothing. Blank, basically.
Also, should I post a video of me doing a typing test on 5.5mg of Xanax?
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I hate humanity.
It's sad to me. I feel I have a lot of good qualities, but especially in Canada, being "racist" [simply suggesting most murder from any race is intra-racial is somehow racist] is a major ordeal. Not only is it socially unacceptable, it is now becoming illegal in Canada:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/26/canada-moves-forward-anti-islamophobia-measures
This will, of course, result in a Trump-like character getting elected in Canada eventually.
That said, what will make me hate people less?
Xanax made me feel absolutely nothing. Blank, basically.
Also, should I post a video of me doing a typing test on 5.5mg of Xanax?
Good news, then. N.A.'ll be unstoppable with two Jesuses in command.
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Quinine I guess was used to treat malaria. Comes from the bark of a tree. Was talking to TP at world gym marina del Rey about my hams and calves cramping and he mentioned it... Then somehow it came up that it potentiates opiates.
What painkiller regimen was Tom Prince on? Does he still use them after all his health problems?
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I hate humanity.
It's sad to me. I feel I have a lot of good qualities, but especially in Canada, being "racist" [simply suggesting most murder from any race is intra-racial is somehow racist] is a major ordeal. Not only is it socially unacceptable, it is now becoming illegal in Canada:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/26/canada-moves-forward-anti-islamophobia-measures
This will, of course, result in a Trump-like character getting elected in Canada eventually.
That said, what will make me hate people less?
Xanax made me feel absolutely nothing. Blank, basically.
Also, should I post a video of me doing a typing test on 5.5mg of Xanax?
5.5 mg of xanax would knock me out for a week.1 mg of xanax would always put me to bed.
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What painkiller regimen was Tom Prince on? Does he still use them after all his health problems?
Advil addiction.
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Advil addiction.
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Imagine if someone did have one. The stomach and GI issues from it would be ridiculous.
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What painkiller regimen was Tom Prince on? Does he still use them after all his health problems?
Regime of shooting nubain and coke iv. Id assume he switched to shooting pills after the nubain supply kinda dried up after 9/11.
Dude had horrible purple abcess's and track marks in the crook of his left elbow and over the vein on his left bicep. Even with airbrushing the scarring was noticeable. In person it was wayyyy obvious. Same with Cormier, except i dont think they bothered to airbrush them as much since he was black and people who didnt know any better wouldnt notice
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Advil addiction.
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I think Tom Prince was using enough Vicodin to make four addicts high. I heard something like that. I don't think this is exactly private information either. Tom - if you are reading this, no disrespect here.
That being said, did Advil not harm Tom's kidneys? Tylenol is far more toxic than oxycodone for instance.
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Advil addiction.
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how does one get addicted to something that isn't addictive?
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I think Tom Prince was using enough Vicodin to make four addicts high. I heard something like that. I don't think this is exactly private information either. Tom - if you are reading this, no disrespect here.
That being said, did Advil not harm Tom's kidneys? Tylenol is far more toxic than oxycodone for instance.
No tom was shooting his shit. Kidneys filter the shit you inject iv.
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how does one get addicted to something that isn't addictive?
Advil can be addicting I have chronic pain and inflammation. When I take 800 mg of advil I feel way better almost like a new person. I wish I could take it everyday but I limit myslef a few times a week. Advil really helps with pip from gear if you are injecting a lot of gear every week it makes you sore and you get flu symptoms. Advil eliminates that for a good 18-24 hours.
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Advil can be addicting I have chronic pain and inflammation. When I take 800 mg of advil I feel way better almost like a new person. I wish I could take it everyday but I limit myslef a few times a week. Advil really helps with pip from gear if you are injecting a lot of gear every week it makes you sore and you get flu symptoms. Advil eliminates that for a good 18-24 hours.
If the Getbig slang dictionary is correct, are you using Advil as a blood thinner?
Perhaps misread...
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My "Advil" comment was meant as sarcasm Matt.
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beer n pussy kill pain
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Regime of shooting nubain and coke iv. Id assume he switched to shooting pills after the nubain supply kinda dried up after 9/11.
Dude had horrible purple abcess's and track marks in the crook of his left elbow and over the vein on his left bicep. Even with airbrushing the scarring was noticeable. In person it was wayyyy obvious. Same with Cormier, except i dont think they bothered to airbrush them as much since he was black and people who didnt know any better wouldnt notice
After years of reading stories of the pro bodybuilders in the 90s, were most of them hooked on painkillers, coke, Nubian, and steroids all at once?
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After years of reading stories of the pro bodybuilders in the 90s, were most of them hooked on painkillers, coke, Nubian, and steroids all at once?
Not all used coke... A good number did, but double that used painkillers. (usually started with nubain then went to regular painkillers).
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Not all used coke... A good number did, but double that used painkillers. (usually started with nubain then went to regular painkillers).
Must've stemmed back from when pill mills in the States were common
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how does one get addicted to something that isn't addictive?
I guess the same way people get addicted to roids. ???
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I guess the same way people get addicted to roids. ???
Add to that, the placebo effect, and the trend and "feeling accepted" paradox
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I guess the same way people get addicted to roids. ???
it isnt an addiction to the steroids its an addiction what they do for you.
If they didnt do anything you wouldnt take them......sorry scratch that, esfitness disproves that statement.
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it isnt an addiction to the steroids its an addiction what they do for you.
If they didnt do anything you wouldnt take them......sorry scratch that, esfitness disproves that statement.
Pathetic how I occupy so much space in that pea brain of yours
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ES... Curious - how many doctors were willing to prescribe you those high doses? Did you just have a primary doctor or did you resort to obtaining by other means also?
These days - it would be highly suspect for a doctor to prescribe anything really - based on what news sources claim, but this could be wrong.
Insight?
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Curious where did people get nubain? I thought it was only for pregnant women?
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... Nubian and opiates...
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This thread makes me happy that I finally got clean and sober.
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it isnt an addiction to the steroids its an addiction what they do for you.
If they didnt do anything you wouldnt take them......sorry scratch that, esfitness disproves that statement.
so you can be addicted to the way OTC pain meds make to feel too then?
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so you can be addicted to the way OTC pain meds make to feel too then?
No, the bum has no idea what he's talking about and as always, has nothing whatsoever to contribute. Every one of his posts are 100% worthless trolling.
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Mexico.
Used to head down and pop the aluminum cap and rubber stopper off dozens and dozens of 10cc astra or abbot vials (or dupont amps) & fill water bottles (16oz - 1L) and walk straight through customs with it. Theyd ask for id and empty my pockets and id place the bottle right on the counter in front of the guys face and empty my pockets. Never said shit. Did it 3-4 days a week. (started out with just putting 2-3 vials worth in a water bottle though). Never got caught. Scott markey did though. Customs thought he was drunk, smelled his bottle and made him toss it. (i was usually the one bringing the shit across.. And driving him since he had no license and no car.)
At first a vial cost about $14 for abbott and 16-17 for astra (i think there were astra amps as well), and 22 or so for 10 dupont amps... Towards the end all that was left was abbott vials that went 80-110$. Then i switched to torbugesic for a while before i finally got off completely. Not many ppl knew about torbugesic.. Cuz they were too dumb to do the research. I could pay $25 for a 10cc 2mg/cc bottle of torbugesic, or pay $140-150 for a 50cc bottle of 10mg/cc.
How many shots did you get out of a 10 cc vial. How does it compare to shooting heroin or oxies?
I was into the oxies methadone percs for a few years. It was awesome until I started booting 2-3 oxy 80s a day on top of a morning 40 mg dose of methadone. My dad kicked my door in one day after he smelled matches being burned in my room to cook my shots I got clean soon after. He helped me turn my life around this was 10 years ago.
You ever try the kadien morphine pills with the little balls in them friends of mine went nuts for those.
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How many shots did you get out of a 10 cc vial. How does it compare to shooting heroin or oxies?
I was into the oxies methadone percs for a few years. It was awesome until I started booting 2-3 oxy 80s a day on top of a morning 40 mg dose of methadone. My dad kicked my door in one day after he smelled matches being burned in my room to cook my shots I got clean soon after. He helped me turn my life around this was 10 years ago.
About 10-15 shots per bottle i guess. At first you do 10-15iu subq.. Then 10 im.. Then 30im.. Then 10iv.. Then 50iv.. Then 50-100iu iv each time... N eventually you do 15-20 iv shots a day. Missed shots arnt a problem since its not like a cooked down pill (i got cellulitis, sepsis, endocarditis, and a 105.7 fever from cooking diluadid) or heroin. (actually u can shoot heroin im no problem, but subq is an abcess almost for sure).
Nubain is different from heroin or oxy. Its maybe more similar to diluadid. Opiates make me hungry, but nubain especially made me hungry and content. The withdrawal from nubain is different from other opiates in that its the only one thats made my skin feel like its crawling.
I could take 3 oxy 80s at once and still be in withdrawal. Lol
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About 10-15 shots per bottle i guess. At first you do 10-15iu subq.. Then 10 im.. Then 30im.. Then 10iv.. Then 50iv.. Then 50-100iu iv each time... N eventually you do 15-20 iv shots a day. Missed shots arnt a problem since its not like a cooked down pill (i got cellulitis, sepsis, endocarditis, and a 105.7 fever from cooking diluadid) or heroin. (actually u can shoot heroin im no problem, but subq is an abcess almost for sure).
Nubain is different from heroin or oxy. Its maybe more similar to diluadid. Opiates make me hungry, but nubain especially made me hungry and content. The withdrawal from nubain is different from other opiates in that its the only one thats made my skin feel like its crawling.
I could take 3 oxy 80s at once and still be in withdrawal. Lol
Ever get crazy nightmares from the IV opiates?
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About 10-15 shots per bottle i guess. At first you do 10-15iu subq.. Then 10 im.. Then 30im.. Then 10iv.. Then 50iv.. Then 50-100iu iv each time... N eventually you do 15-20 iv shots a day. Missed shots arnt a problem since its not like a cooked down pill (i got cellulitis, sepsis, endocarditis, and a 105.7 fever from cooking diluadid) or heroin. (actually u can shoot heroin im no problem, but subq is an abcess almost for sure).
Nubain is different from heroin or oxy. Its maybe more similar to diluadid. Opiates make me hungry, but nubain especially made me hungry and content. The withdrawal from nubain is different from other opiates in that its the only one thats made my skin feel like its crawling.
I could take 3 oxy 80s at once and still be in withdrawal. Lol
You ever try the kadien morphine capsules with the little morphine beads inside? I remember people going nuts for those and the opanas.
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You ever try the kadien morphine capsules with the little morphine beads inside? I remember people going nuts for those and the opanas.
Yep... Fucked up my t-spine in 2011? Maybe 2012 and was given 3 200mg caps. First time taking 1 i thought it was bunk, till i woke up high as fuck the next day, and stayed high all day till about 10pm that night. Next time i took it i knew what to expect.
Tried a few opana while i was on H... Was not impressed even at 30mg iv.
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Ever get crazy nightmares from the IV opiates?
Not that i can recall.
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Yep... Fucked up my t-spine in 2011? Maybe 2012 and was given 3 200mg caps. First time taking 1 i thought it was bunk, till i woke up high as fuck the next day, and stayed high all day till about 10pm that night. Next time i took it i knew what to expect.
Tried a few opana while i was on H... Was not impressed even at 30mg iv.
You clean now man?
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You clean now man?
Yea... Lemme think.. 10months now? Roughly. Be a year april 13
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Yea... Lemme think.. 10months now? Roughly. Be a year april 13
That's great man good for you I hope you stay clean.
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About 10-15 shots per bottle i guess. At first you do 10-15iu subq.. Then 10 im.. Then 30im.. Then 10iv.. Then 50iv.. Then 50-100iu iv each time... N eventually you do 15-20 iv shots a day. Missed shots arnt a problem since its not like a cooked down pill (i got cellulitis, sepsis, endocarditis, and a 105.7 fever from cooking diluadid) or heroin. (actually u can shoot heroin im no problem, but subq is an abcess almost for sure).
Nubain is different from heroin or oxy. Its maybe more similar to diluadid. Opiates make me hungry, but nubain especially made me hungry and content. The withdrawal from nubain is different from other opiates in that its the only one thats made my skin feel like its crawling.
I could take 3 oxy 80s at once and still be in withdrawal. Lol
you are aware this is nothing to be proud of you worthless weak minded asswipe.
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you are aware this is nothing to be proud of you worthless weak minded asswipe.
Proud of what pencilneck?
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Proud of what pencilneck?
whats the matter, are you in a haze of medication at the moment?
Its pretty obvious what I meant.
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This thread makes me happy that I finally got clean and sober.
Just piecing info together from the past week of posting and seeing what you have to say...
Wes, do you feel that your anxiety disorder was perpetuated by your drug use? What drugs have you been known to use and now are clean from? Interesting to hear that you got clean at a higher age than most. What perpetuated this?
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Mexico.
Used to head down and pop the aluminum cap and rubber stopper off dozens and dozens of 10cc astra or abbot vials (or dupont amps) & fill water bottles (16oz - 1L) and walk straight through customs with it. Theyd ask for id and empty my pockets and id place the bottle right on the counter in front of the guys face and empty my pockets. Never said shit. Did it 3-4 days a week. (started out with just putting 2-3 vials worth in a water bottle though). Never got caught. Scott markey did though. Customs thought he was drunk, smelled his bottle and made him toss it. (i was usually the one bringing the shit across.. And driving him since he had no license and no car.)
At first a vial cost about $14 for abbott and 16-17 for astra (i think there were astra amps as well), and 22 or so for 10 dupont amps... Towards the end all that was left was abbott vials that went 80-110$. Then i switched to torbugesic for a while before i finally got off completely. Not many ppl knew about torbugesic.. Cuz they were too dumb to do the research. I could pay $25 for a 10cc 2mg/cc bottle of torbugesic, or pay $140-150 for a 50cc bottle of 10mg/cc.
Random question: what would've happened if that water bottle was drank, say by a guard trying to figure what it is? Does it have any bioavailability in the stomach, or would it be toxic to the body?
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Mexico.
Used to head down and pop the aluminum cap and rubber stopper off dozens and dozens of 10cc astra or abbot vials (or dupont amps) & fill water bottles (16oz - 1L) and walk straight through customs with it. Theyd ask for id and empty my pockets and id place the bottle right on the counter in front of the guys face and empty my pockets. Never said shit. Did it 3-4 days a week. (started out with just putting 2-3 vials worth in a water bottle though). Never got caught. Scott markey did though. Customs thought he was drunk, smelled his bottle and made him toss it. (i was usually the one bringing the shit across.. And driving him since he had no license and no car.)
You've used this guy's full name a couple of times now:
1 were you buddies?
2 if not why mention him?
3 if so did you fall out with each other?
and if so, then why (digging for dirt here LOL)
Taf
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Based on some of the discussion above, this may be of interest to some of you
(Non - painkiller related - yet opiate based narcotic article)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/02/why-james-comeys-heroin-strategy-could-just-make-the-problem-worse/?utm_term=.6f5646bb06bb
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interesting read
avoid pain pills - thank god they do nothing for me
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interesting read
avoid pain pills - thank god they do nothing for me
Lack the gene?
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Lack the gene?
not sure what that means, but ive only taken them after surgery etc and Im glad they do nothing for me/not interested.
all i hear about how much of an epidemic this in our country.
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interesting read
avoid pain pills - thank god they do nothing for me
Never tried them,recreationally at least. Just if they were administered to me after any operations in hospital. Got an oxynorm off my mother after dislocating my shoulder and it did the job but I wouldn't take them for a buzz
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I think it's just another way of people wanting to escape their reality, their lives. I have to say I enjoy my life and am very very lucky for the position in life I find myself, I'm not a millionaire or a movie star but I want for nothing and have amazing family and good friends. Therefore I, like many people, don't feel the need to escape reality, I embrace it. That's my view on it anyway
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Never tried them,recreationally at least. Just if they were administered to me after any operations in hospital. Got an oxynorm off my mother after dislocating my shoulder and it did the job but I wouldn't take them for a buzz
sums me up right there
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Does nothing to escape reality... That's like weed or other dissociatives. Painkillers just give a warm , content feeling. Some people get addicted, physically or psychologically to some things that others dont. Personally i see no enjoyment in uppers or benzos. While some people use stimulants everyday and cant function without them. Some people get physically addicted and build up tolerances to benzos while 10mg valium has the same effect on me today as it did 16yrs ago.
Two of my friends have just come off heroin, one is on methadone and the other fella is gone on d10s (diazepam). Can you ever come off completely? I dunno man I'm not into drink or drugs I'm wired enough as it is, I guess some of us just don't get the drug addiction to thing
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Two of my friends have just come off heroin, one is on methadone and the other fella is gone on d10s (diazepam). Can you ever come off completely? I dunno man I'm not into drink or drugs I'm wired enough as it is, I guess some of us just don't get the drug addiction to thing
You can quit without methadone or benzos, but youll likely relapse. I was on suboxone for about 6 months to come off. Methadone withdrawal is worse than heroin (sorta like nubain). Ive met dudes who've been on methadone for 20+ yrs. That shit makes guys teeth fall out.
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You can quit without methadone or benzos, but youll likely relapse. I was on suboxone for about 6 months to come off. Methadone withdrawal is worse than heroin (sorta like nubain). Ive met dudes who've been on methadone for 20+ yrs. That shit makes guys teeth fall out.
His teeth all fell out from heroin anyway, he has false ones now. Also gave him a fucked up heart, bone removed from his lower leg and wound won't heal years later due to injections and is obviously severely underweight. Total character though
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You've used this guy's full name a couple of times now:
1 were you buddies?
2 if not why mention him?
3 if so did you fall out with each other?
and if so, then why (digging for dirt here LOL)
Taf
seems to come across as a snitch/grass to me, keeps saying he posts here and doesn't post pics and uses the "deniable plausibility" excuse yet keeps throwing everyone else under the bus.
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seems to come across as a snitch/grass to me, keeps saying he posts here and doesn't post pics and uses the "deniable plausibility" excuse yet keeps throwing everyone else under the bus.
Dude... You're a bitch.
I mean you are a female.
I mean you have zero masculine qualities.
You are a pittiful old twink who's a coward to the bone.
I dont know how somebody like yourself looks in a mirror.
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Dude... You're a bitch.
I mean you are a female.
I mean you have zero masculine qualities.
You are a pittiful old twink who's a coward to the bone.
I dont know how somebody like yourself looks in a mirror.
when I look in the mirror I see a muscular ripped guy looking back, you see a washed up scruffy old before his time untrustworthy decrepit loser.
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You've used this guy's full name a couple of times now:
1 were you buddies?
2 if not why mention him?
3 if so did you fall out with each other?
and if so, then why (digging for dirt here LOL)
Taf
Because he ripped me off. Went out of my way to help him out and he burned me.
He only knows of getbig because i showed him in 2003.
I mention him because ppl here bring him up occasionally... Id forgotten all about him for years.
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when I look in the mirror I see a muscular ripped guy looking back, you see a washed up scruffy old before his time untrustworthy decrepit loser.
Lol... I like how you paint your own image of me a somebody whos "friends dont trust him". Never asked for a dime from anybody. I made my own money. Paid my own bills. Still have the big tvs bed sofas cars etc... Never sold a thing or stole a thing. Nice try pencil neck.
Maybe if you gave that obese heifer of a wife some attention she wouldnt be fucking her coworkers.
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Lol... I like how you paint your own image of me a somebody whos "friends dont trust him". Never asked for a dime from anybody. I made my own money. Paid my own bills. Still have the big tvs bed sofas cars etc... Never sold a thing or stole a thing. Nice try pencil neck.
Maybe if you gave that obese heifer of a wife some attention she wouldnt be fucking her coworkers.
Never sold a thing??
You must have a unique way of making a living.
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Massage really helps me. Like not the gentle kind, they really are great for muscle in jury's getting the blood using thumb or elbow really pressing down hard deep in the muscle, it really hurts but I swear it does the trick!
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seems to come across as a snitch/grass to me, keeps saying he posts here and doesn't post pics and uses the "deniable plausibility" excuse yet keeps throwing everyone else under the bus.
Dude... You're a bitch.
I mean you are a female.
I mean you have zero masculine qualities.
You are a pittiful old twink who's a coward to the bone.
I dont know how somebody like yourself looks in a mirror.
Hahahaa - the way you two go after each other makes me think of these guys - good film too... (I might have posted this before)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-APvLu4zV9xQ/UQFHNtN9U8I/AAAAAAAAB9o/D5gyViIYCDw/s1600/duellists.jpg)
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Massage really helps me. Like not the gentle kind, they really are great for muscle in jury's getting the blood using thumb or elbow really pressing down hard deep in the muscle, it really hurts but I swear it does the trick!
Helps muscle pain, but not as effective at times for joint pain