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(http://www.ambal.ru/72361402371.jpg) the secret to big chest is lower chest, most bodybuilders ''concentrate'' on their upper chest, when in reality they should concentrate on getting the lower chest bigger. Bodybuilders with big, massive chests have a different presence than bodybuilders with small, tiny pectoral muscles. There's something very impressive about a massive chest, bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco, Lou Ferrigno, Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman come to mind
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^in the above picture, you can see that the bodybuilder on the left (I forgot his name) has just as much upper chest development as Hany's, however Haney owns him on lower chest development, totally dominating him and making him look inferior. The chest is everything
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What's the secret genius? So the secret is a lower chest? How do you propose we go about building a lower chest?
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(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/cc/a0/12/cca012a909d1bc0d5b499e805e2c91d5--bodybuilding-motivation-bodybuilding-fitness.jpg)Haney also dominated Dorian since Haney had literally twice the amount of chest mass compared to Dorian. Again, the chest is everything
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What's the secret genius?
I already told you, the secret is lower chest, many bodybuilders ''concentrate'' on their upper chest when in reality they should concentrate on their lower chest (but they are too stupid to see this)
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wow those pics are amazing. i was never impressed with Haney, but in these relaxed shots he is murdering Christian, and even Doz.
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wow those pics are amazing. i was never impressed with Haney, but in these relaxed shots he is murdering Christian, and even Doz.
Because chest is everything, Arnold also dominated everyone with his massive chest, the importance of lower chest can't be stressed enough
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Look at Ronnie Coleman's half brother, Corey Mathews, and get back to me on this "secret".
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Look at Ronnie Coleman's half brother, Corey Mathews, and get back to me on this "secret".
Ronnie Coleman is another example of pure chest dominance, he won because of his massive chest
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(https://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/26165d1071790764-jay-cutler-2001-vs-jay-cutler-now-coleman.jpg)
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good exercises for the lower chest are decline bench presses and dips. Once the chest is up to par with the rest of the body, you can just continue to grow just concentrating on flat bench presses, since the flat bench press works the entire chest, both upper and lower chest, but if the chest is lagging then take a good look at your lower chest
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in the above picture, you can see Jay Cutler's upper chest is decent and about the same as Ronnie's, however Ronnie owns Jay when it comes to lower chest mass and striations, it's not even close, Ronnie dominated and won (another case of pure chest dominance)
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The secret to a big chest is genetics
The secret to big arms is genetics
The secret to big legs is genetics
The secret to a big back is genetics
The secret to big shoulders is genetics
The secret to a big dick is genetics
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Ronnie Coleman is another example of pure chest dominance, he won because of his massive chest
He won cause of his massive back
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Ronnie Coleman is another example of pure chest dominance, he won because of his massive chest
Sometimes it's easy to forget just how much pure, lean muscle prime Coleman packed on
until you compare him to another legendary massive bber. Coleman's pec size is just on
another level.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2d/68/49/2d6849dd70bff1907c58ac195914f98c--eating-clean-bodybuilders.jpg)
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He won cause of his massive back
his back was nowhere near as impressive as his chest, same as Arnold, good back, but nowhere near as impressive as his chest. Jay Cutler actually had a massive back, but a lagging chest (not enough lower chest mass)
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Sometimes it's easy to forget just how much pure, lean muscle prime Coleman packed on
until you compare him to another legendary massive bber. Coleman's pec size is just on
another level.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2d/68/49/2d6849dd70bff1907c58ac195914f98c--eating-clean-bodybuilders.jpg)
I never forgot, he was truly massive, especially his chest, just a very massive dominant chest!
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The secret to a big chest is genetics
The secret to big arms is genetics
The secret to big legs is genetics
The secret to a big back is genetics
The secret to big shoulders is genetics
The secret to a big dick is genetics
not everything is genetics, Arnold had a huge chest because he trained hard, and smart, he wasn't born with it, he trained hard for his huge chest and his huge calves
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(http://img01.ashita-sanuki.jp/usr/n/i/k/nikoniko/b0d3c178.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/55URi.jpg)chest is everything
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(http://www.upload.ee/image/198714/Lee_Priest_21y.o.JPG)small chest Lee Priest
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1251/9383/files/Franco_Columbu.jpg?v=1480725959)Franco Columbu huge chest. Franco proves that not all short bodybuilders are doomed to have a small chest, Franco was short, 5'5'', and Jeff Everson claims Franco was as short as 5'2'', so the whole idea of only tall men can have a gigantic chest is a lie
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(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/cf/7e/b3cf7e73445292966fbce45f2c2c6af1--bodybuilding-workouts-workout-motivation.jpg)Arnold and Franco had huge, dominant chests, the golden era was the best. practicing good posture and vacuum pose helps stretch out the pectoral muscles for optimum chest development
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(http://www.upload.ee/image/198714/Lee_Priest_21y.o.JPG)small chest Lee Priest
He has a small chest and did the same workouts like everyone else did for decades and it was still small, like Titus, it’s genetics. It’s already predetermined lees chest wasn’t going to develop a massive chest no matter he did or took
Just like guys like Johnnie Jackson who has a massive chest but no matter how many calf raises he does he won’t have calves like flex Lewis, Phil, or even branch
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What's the secret genius? So the secret is a lower chest? How do you propose we go about building a lower chest?
I used to always enjoy articles in mainstream bodybuilding magazines - and both Musclemag AND Flex Magazine were guilty of this - giving advice on how to build "Lower Biceps". I think Tom Prince also made a post about this in the Bodybuilding.com forums.
The "Lower Biceps" may not exist anatomically, but hey - it's always nice to get training advice on how to train a part of the anatomy that doesn't actually exist. :D
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I used to always enjoy articles in mainstream bodybuilding magazines - and both Musclemag AND Flex Magazine were guilty of this - giving advice on how to build "Lower Biceps". I think Tom Prince also made a post about this in the Bodybuilding.com forums.
The "Lower Biceps" may not exist anatomically, but hey - it's always nice to get training advice on how to train a part of the anatomy that doesn't actually exist. :D
this thread is not about ''lower biceps'', this thread is about lower chest development. Please stay on topic.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/89/d5/9289d523e35bed713042119798281d53.png)this is what I call perfect proportions, or at least the closest thing to perfection
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He has a small chest and did the same workouts like everyone else did for decades and it was still small, like Titus, it’s genetics. It’s already predetermined lees chest wasn’t going to develop a massive chest no matter he did or took
Just like guys like Johnnie Jackson who has a massive chest but no matter how many calf raises he does he won’t have calves like flex Lewis, Phil, or even branch
wrong, he ruined his physique by developing arms that are way too big and delts that are way too big compared to his chest, there are many bodybuilders who did this, I call it the huge arms/small chest syndrome. and about calves, Arnold was embarrassed of his calves in the beginning, but he trained hard and smart and they blew up, some bodybuilders simply lack the wisdom. It's not just genetics
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Big lower chest sucks,I spent 20 years doing dips and flat bench like crazy and developed a huge lower chest,Now it sags so only income now.So while a huge lower chest does look awesome eventually it hangs to much.
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(https://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/26165d1071790764-jay-cutler-2001-vs-jay-cutler-now-coleman.jpg)
Coleman looks like he's just finished taking a dump and Cutler? He's that dump.
Both of them are bloated, big-bellied, fatassed fooktards.
Actually, Coleman looks like Lemmiwinks is climbing toward freedom.
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Coleman looks like he's just finished taking a dump and Cutler? He's that dump.
Both of them are bloated, big-bellied, fatassed fooktards.
Actually, Coleman looks like Lemmiwinks is climbing toward freedom.
no, they both looked amazing. there's no need to say such harsh words.
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wrong, he ruined his physique by developing arms that are way too big and delts that are way too big compared to his chest, there are many bodybuilders who did this, I call it the huge arms/small chest syndrome. and about calves, Arnold was embarrassed of his calves in the beginning, but he trained hard and smart and they blew up, some bodybuilders simply lack the wisdom. It's not just genetics
It was t just about his arms. He said that he could do 500+ Bench press in the offseason. If you notice one thing about great benchers, is that they have great tricep development, like Levrone, for instance. And Lee had great triceps. Lee's chest was always going to small, even when he was young. And when he benched heavy, his triceps took over. So, pretty much any pressing movement was going to develop his triceps more than his chest, and his chest shape shows that wasn't going to be a huge chest as well.
Now, he was known for his arms, but when you are short, and have his genetics, they and his legs were gonna grow.
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no, they both looked amazing. there's no need to say such harsh words.
They're disgusting beings.
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(http://www.ambal.ru/72361402371.jpg) the secret to big chest is lower chest, most bodybuilders ''concentrate'' on their upper chest, when in reality they should concentrate on getting the lower chest bigger. Bodybuilders with big, massive chests have a different presence than bodybuilders with small, tiny pectoral muscles. There's something very impressive about a massive chest, bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco, Lou Ferrigno, Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman come to mind
mike christian now a no name bodybuilder.
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They're disgusting beings.
At their respective peaks, both were pretty impressive to me, but I respect your feelings about the direction bodybuilding took :)
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Secret to lower chest get your credit card out order some dip bars from Amazon
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(http://i.imgur.com/55URi.jpg)chest is everything
Maybe....
But.... You females it is..... ASS
Hands fucking down
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(http://www.upload.ee/image/198714/Lee_Priest_21y.o.JPG)small chest Lee Priest
Why you come in here and shit all over his chest?
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I used to always enjoy articles in mainstream bodybuilding magazines - and both Musclemag AND Flex Magazine were guilty of this - giving advice on how to build "Lower Biceps". I think Tom Prince also made a post about this in the Bodybuilding.com forums.
The "Lower Biceps" may not exist anatomically, but hey - it's always nice to get training advice on how to train a part of the anatomy that doesn't actually exist. :D
The biceps does have 2 seperate heads, and those 2 heads can be hit less or more with certain exercises
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The biceps does have 2 seperate heads, and those 2 heads can be hit less or more with certain exercises
yes...yes... but what about the peak? ;D
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Kind of agree with this actually. Incline works less of the chest overall as well creating a smaller chest if that is the focus. It is still mainly genetics but the modern push for stressing incline over decline is a bit bogus.
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my chest needs work
-add in dips
-lots of posing
-pull overs
learn to bench with your chest! me - i am a shoulder/tricep bencher - i know my issues - most men dont bench with their chest
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Kind of agree with this actually. Incline works less of the chest overall as well creating a smaller chest if that is the focus. It is still mainly genetics but the modern push for stressing incline over decline is a bit bogus.
30 degrees. Thirty Degrees. Get it? It has already been posted that is the optimum incline angle, not the high angle that brings your delts into play.
There is almost no advocate of declines over inclines. Especially since declines put you at an odd position and angle, and one is probably more prone to have serious injury due to that exercise. You can develop the lower pecs doing flat bench.
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secret to a big chest is to have a big chest :D
the overall mass is causing that hang
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wrong, he ruined his physique by developing arms that are way too big and delts that are way too big compared to his chest, there are many bodybuilders who did this, I call it the huge arms/small chest syndrome. and about calves, Arnold was embarrassed of his calves in the beginning, but he trained hard and smart and they blew up, some bodybuilders simply lack the wisdom. It's not just genetics
It’s all genetics, all the training in the world ain’t going to do jack
Explain dexter, Johnnie Jackson, Dennis Wolfe calves???
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^in the above picture, you can see that the bodybuilder on the left (I forgot his name) has just as much upper chest development as Hany's, however Haney owns him on lower chest development, totally dominating him and making him look inferior. The chest is everything
Haney's pecs are much lower, thus giving him far more genetic potential for bigger pecs than Christian. If you look at those you mentioned, it is the case in each instance.This is genetic, no matter how many lower pec exercises you do, their shape and structure is genetic.
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I laugh when someone says a top pro or former one has/had a small chest. No their delts and/or arms were just more devloped than their chest, same with arnold and lee who chest was biiger in proprtion to their delts, but their delts were by no means small.
the guys from haney and arnold's era also did alot of bodyweight dips and properly, not with the stupid chains around the neck injury shit
yes inclines hit front delts alot more, but they do still hit chest and in the sum of everything including flat/decline presses and flyes and dip there is an overall look that makes the muscles complete and tie in with the others.
Like the guys arguing about curls in that Charles Glass thread and how front delts get activated alot in some curling positions. So fucking what! Our muscles are all working with each other in alot of moves, that is how development occurs. Next to impossible to 100% isolate a muscle, whether a so called iso exercise or combo.
Lot of people running around with big asses these days doing ass to grass squats, yet none have the overall leg and glute develpment/look of sprinters, cyclists and speed skaters who's movements are mostly paralell and above in nature.
same with olympic lifters who lists basically mimic the same plane of motion as front squats when they squat down, look at the sweep and lower quad development around their knees and tell me specific movements dont hit certain areas more than others.; they also have phenominal delt arm and back development and people I have talked to who did olypic lifting years ago(before it beceme a fad to do those lifts for a reps via crossfit) say they did not do curls/laterals. pushowns etc. I think that is where vince basile is kind of correct in talking about how when you work certain areas hard the other areas do grow in development. I am sure the olypic lifts from lets say an emg machine dont hit the biceps as hard and dirtectly as certain curls do but when you are doing cleans and jerks, snatches and assiatnce movemnts like front squats and others with mutliple sets several times a week with upwards of a few hundred lbs with the stronger people your whole body is getting stimulated
Tom platz did mostly close stanced upright squats and those weird range of motion hack squats that were like extreme sissy squats at the bottom.
Its not always genetics and drugs, it is also how people are structured I would believe what certain movements give them a response over others. Bethere does only moderate weight hacks and has great leg development.
Gymnasts do movements with mainly imitate dips and chins at various angles on the bars and beams
I am far from smart when it comes to these things, but I am smart enough to know that there things in studies that happen to the body whether someone is hitting and exercise targeting "lower biceps" or something that shows up as a pure mainly quad movement.
just do the exercises that don't cause the wrong kind of pain for a weight that challenges you in the rep range you are shooting for and do as many different planes of motion to hit the main target and they will stimulate all the other areas as well
All I know is the people who tend to do a variety of movements natural or loaded to the gills and who are paying attention to what they are trying to target ten to have more complete physiques
as per those 3 pros mentioned about their calves with all due respect every single video I have seen of any pro who has shitty calves train them they seem to not even be hitting them properly for them ie they dont seem to have the same connection(stretch./contraction) that they do when you see them training other parts. and not every bodypart respinds to the same type of training everyone does for a particular part
alot of those guys also probably damaged nerves by shooting the gear into the calves as well
fuck dorian apparently used to do a couple of lower set and for calves low reps for standing and seated. If it was all just genetics and drugs why did he bother with the couple of sets? other need to do 100's of reps a workout to get the same results. and why do ballerinas and soccer players and rugby players have such good calf development? who really knows
tl/dr/fu
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I laugh when someone says a top pro or former one has/had a small chest. No their delts and/or arms were just more devloped than their chest, same with arnold and lee who chest was biiger in proprtion to their delts, but their delts were by no means small.
the guys from haney and arnold's era also did alot of bodyweight dips and properly, not with the stupid chains around the neck injury shit
yes inclines hit front delts alot more, but they do still hit chest and in the sum of everything including flat/decline presses and flyes and dip there is an overall look that makes the muscles complete and tie in with the others.
Like the guys arguing about curls in that Charles Glass thread and how front delts get activated alot in some curling positions. So fucking what! Our muscles are all working with each other in alot of moves, that is how development occurs. Next to impossible to 100% isolate a muscle, whether a so called iso exercise or combo.
Lot of people running around with big asses these days doing ass to grass squats, yet none have the overall leg and glute develpment/look of sprinters, cyclists and speed skaters who's movements are mostly paralell and above in nature.
same with olympic lifters who lists basically mimic the same plane of motion as front squats when they squat down, look at the sweep and lower quad development around their knees and tell me specific movements dont hit certain areas more than others.; they also have phenominal delt arm and back development and people I have talked to who did olypic lifting years ago(before it beceme a fad to do those lifts for a reps via crossfit) say they did not do curls/laterals. pushowns etc. I think that is where vince basile is kind of correct in talking about how when you work certain areas hard the other areas do grow in development. I am sure the olypic lifts from lets say an emg machine dont hit the biceps as hard and dirtectly as certain curls do but when you are doing cleans and jerks, snatches and assiatnce movemnts like front squats and others with mutliple sets several times a week with upwards of a few hundred lbs with the stronger people your whole body is getting stimulated
Tom platz did mostly close stanced upright squats and those weird range of motion hack squats that were like extreme sissy squats at the bottom.
Its not always genetics and drugs, it is also how people are structured I would believe what certain movements give them a response over others. Bethere does only moderate weight hacks and has great leg development.
Gymnasts do movements with mainly imitate dips and chins at various angles on the bars and beams
I am far from smart when it comes to these things, but I am smart enough to know that there things in studies that happen to the body whether someone is hitting and exercise targeting "lower biceps" or something that shows up as a pure mainly quad movement.
just do the exercises that don't cause the wrong kind of pain for a weight that challenges you in the rep range you are shooting for and do as many different planes of motion to hit the main target and they will stimulate all the other areas as well
All I know is the people who tend to do a variety of movements natural or loaded to the gills and who are paying attention to what they are trying to target ten to have more complete physiques
as per those 3 pros mentioned about their calves with all due respect every single video I have seen of any pro who has shitty calves train them they seem to not even be hitting them properly for them ie they dont seem to have the same connection(stretch./contraction) that they do when you see them training other parts. and not every bodypart respinds to the same type of training everyone does for a particular part
alot of those guys also probably damaged nerves by shooting the gear into the calves as well
fuck dorian apparently used to do a couple of lower set and for calves low reps for standing and seated. If it was all just genetics and drugs why did he bother with the couple of sets? other need to do 100's of reps a workout to get the same results. and why do ballerinas and soccer players and rugby players have such good calf development? who really knows
tl/dr/fu
When will you morons understand, it’s GENETICS!
Not everyone is going to have flex Lewis or Dorian calves no matter what they do
By your analogy Johnnie Jackson trains chest, back, the same way as calves, why are his chest and back responding but not calves?? Hmmm
Flex Lewis trains calves with “shitty form” and look at his calves
Branch trains with loose form and has big calves and chest
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30 degrees. Thirty Degrees. Get it? It has already been posted that is the optimum incline angle, not the high angle that brings your delts into play.
There is almost no advocate of declines over inclines. Especially since declines put you at an odd position and angle, and one is probably more prone to have serious injury due to that exercise. You can develop the lower pecs doing flat bench.
Why do you post without reading? It is basic knowledge to not go above 30 degrees. Who is disputing that? You are not saying anything groundbreaking. Get it? No where did I post about a high incline.
Declines/flats are both fine for all parts of your chest. Sorry that you have difficulties doing a simple decline bench. Emg studies support my thinking not yours. My whole point is that incline emphasis is overrated when looking at actual muscle growth. It does the least out of the three. Not saying to not do it if you like variety/feels good but it isn't a magic exercise for "upper chest". You cannot separate lower/upper. Age old debate on this.
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Why you come in here and shit all over his chest?
because nothing irritates me more (when it comes to bodybuilders) than dumb bodybuilders who miss the point, you see, bodybuilding basically means, creating a sculpture, you are supposed to stop and contemplate your physique and make the necessary changes. Oh, and don't even get me started about ''bottom heavy bodybuilders''...grrr...
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They're disgusting beings.
not disgusting at all. Was Arnold or Lou Ferrigno disgusting to you??
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Maybe....
But.... You females it is..... ASS
Hands fucking down
the f word is not necessary.
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Kind of agree with this actually. Incline works less of the chest overall as well creating a smaller chest if that is the focus. It is still mainly genetics but the modern push for stressing incline over decline is a bit bogus.
not only that, but working a lot of incline develops HUGE front delts, and once this happens, this huge front delts take over, as a result, you have bodybuilders with huge front delts and no chest
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my chest needs work
-add in dips
-lots of posing
-pull overs
learn to bench with your chest! me - i am a shoulder/tricep bencher - i know my issues - most men dont bench with their chest
the thing is, if your delts and triceps are too strong, to the point where they take over, you are pretty much doomed, and you have no one to blame but yourself, why did you train your delts and triceps so much??
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30 degrees. Thirty Degrees. Get it? It has already been posted that is the optimum incline angle, not the high angle that brings your delts into play.
There is almost no advocate of declines over inclines. Especially since declines put you at an odd position and angle, and one is probably more prone to have serious injury due to that exercise. You can develop the lower pecs doing flat bench.
30 degrees is not bad. again, you are creating a sculpture, how is your chest doing? is it growing up to par with the rest of your body? if it is, good, keep up the good work
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wrong, he ruined his physique by developing arms that are way too big and delts that are way too big compared to his chest, there are many bodybuilders who did this, I call it the huge arms/small chest syndrome. and about calves, Arnold was embarrassed of his calves in the beginning, but he trained hard and smart and they blew up, some bodybuilders simply lack the wisdom. It's not just genetics
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It’s all genetics, all the training in the world ain’t going to do jack
Explain dexter, Johnnie Jackson, Dennis Wolfe calves???
they lack the wisdom, look at Arnold, his calves were skinny and they blew up (with 1000 lbs calf raises, donkey calf raises with multiple men on his back, etc)
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secret to a big chest is to have a big chest :D
the overall mass is causing that hang
and just like in triceps mass, the inner triceps holds the most mass, the lower chest holds the most mass when it comes to pectoral muscles
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It’s all genetics, all the training in the world ain’t going to do jack
Explain dexter, Johnnie Jackson, Dennis Wolfe calves???
Exactly, but most can't handle the truth, they believe they can outwork bad genetics ::)
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Haney's pecs are much lower, thus giving him far more genetic potential for bigger pecs than Christian. If you look at those you mentioned, it is the case in each instance.This is genetic, no matter how many lower pec exercises you do, their shape and structure is genetic.
No,no, and no, Haney chest is bigger because he trained harder and smarter than Mike Christian!
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(http://www.ambal.ru/72361402371.jpg) the secret to big chest is lower chest, most bodybuilders ''concentrate'' on their upper chest, when in reality they should concentrate on getting the lower chest bigger. Bodybuilders with big, massive chests have a different presence than bodybuilders with small, tiny pectoral muscles. There's something very impressive about a massive chest, bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco, Lou Ferrigno, Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman come to mind
^in the above picture, you can see that the bodybuilder on the left (I forgot his name) has just as much upper chest development as Hany's, however Haney owns him on lower chest development, totally dominating him and making him look inferior. The chest is everything
Because chest is everything, Arnold also dominated everyone with his massive chest, the importance of lower chest can't be stressed enough
Ronnie Coleman is another example of pure chest dominance, he won because of his massive chest
good exercises for the lower chest are decline bench presses and dips. Once the chest is up to par with the rest of the body, you can just continue to grow just concentrating on flat bench presses, since the flat bench press works the entire chest, both upper and lower chest, but if the chest is lagging then take a good look at your lower chest
his back was nowhere near as impressive as his chest, same as Arnold, good back, but nowhere near as impressive as his chest. Jay Cutler actually had a massive back, but a lagging chest (not enough lower chest mass)
wrong, he ruined his physique by developing arms that are way too big and delts that are way too big compared to his chest, there are many bodybuilders who did this, I call it the huge arms/small chest syndrome. and about calves, Arnold was embarrassed of his calves in the beginning, but he trained hard and smart and they blew up, some bodybuilders simply lack the wisdom. It's not just genetics
the thing is, if your delts and triceps are too strong, to the point where they take over, you are pretty much doomed, and you have no one to blame but yourself, why did you train your delts and triceps so much??
I didn't think you could top the stupidity of your "I'm obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer" thread, however here you prove me wrong. I don't think I've ever seen such utter stupidity when it comes to bodybuilding.
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No,no, and no, Haney chest is bigger because he trained harder and smarter than Mike Christian!
You have no clue or you're a big time troll
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I laugh when someone says a top pro or former one has/had a small chest. No their delts and/or arms were just more devloped than their chest, same with arnold and lee who chest was biiger in proprtion to their delts, but their delts were by no means small.
the guys from haney and arnold's era also did alot of bodyweight dips and properly, not with the stupid chains around the neck injury shit
yes inclines hit front delts alot more, but they do still hit chest and in the sum of everything including flat/decline presses and flyes and dip there is an overall look that makes the muscles complete and tie in with the others.
Like the guys arguing about curls in that Charles Glass thread and how front delts get activated alot in some curling positions. So fucking what! Our muscles are all working with each other in alot of moves, that is how development occurs. Next to impossible to 100% isolate a muscle, whether a so called iso exercise or combo.
Lot of people running around with big asses these days doing ass to grass squats, yet none have the overall leg and glute develpment/look of sprinters, cyclists and speed skaters who's movements are mostly paralell and above in nature.
same with olympic lifters who lists basically mimic the same plane of motion as front squats when they squat down, look at the sweep and lower quad development around their knees and tell me specific movements dont hit certain areas more than others.; they also have phenominal delt arm and back development and people I have talked to who did olypic lifting years ago(before it beceme a fad to do those lifts for a reps via crossfit) say they did not do curls/laterals. pushowns etc. I think that is where vince basile is kind of correct in talking about how when you work certain areas hard the other areas do grow in development. I am sure the olypic lifts from lets say an emg machine dont hit the biceps as hard and dirtectly as certain curls do but when you are doing cleans and jerks, snatches and assiatnce movemnts like front squats and others with mutliple sets several times a week with upwards of a few hundred lbs with the stronger people your whole body is getting stimulated
Tom platz did mostly close stanced upright squats and those weird range of motion hack squats that were like extreme sissy squats at the bottom.
Its not always genetics and drugs, it is also how people are structured I would believe what certain movements give them a response over others. Bethere does only moderate weight hacks and has great leg development.
Gymnasts do movements with mainly imitate dips and chins at various angles on the bars and beams
I am far from smart when it comes to these things, but I am smart enough to know that there things in studies that happen to the body whether someone is hitting and exercise targeting "lower biceps" or something that shows up as a pure mainly quad movement.
just do the exercises that don't cause the wrong kind of pain for a weight that challenges you in the rep range you are shooting for and do as many different planes of motion to hit the main target and they will stimulate all the other areas as well
All I know is the people who tend to do a variety of movements natural or loaded to the gills and who are paying attention to what they are trying to target ten to have more complete physiques
as per those 3 pros mentioned about their calves with all due respect every single video I have seen of any pro who has shitty calves train them they seem to not even be hitting them properly for them ie they dont seem to have the same connection(stretch./contraction) that they do when you see them training other parts. and not every bodypart respinds to the same type of training everyone does for a particular part
alot of those guys also probably damaged nerves by shooting the gear into the calves as well
fuck dorian apparently used to do a couple of lower set and for calves low reps for standing and seated. If it was all just genetics and drugs why did he bother with the couple of sets? other need to do 100's of reps a workout to get the same results. and why do ballerinas and soccer players and rugby players have such good calf development? who really knows
tl/dr/fu
wow, long post! (there's no need to write a book)
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I didn't think you could top the stupidity of your "I'm obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer" thread, however here you prove me wrong. I don't think I've ever seen such utter stupidity when it comes to bodybuilding.
Oh really? and my IQ is 190, how do you explain that?
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You have no clue or you're a big time troll
Mike Christian actually has a good, big chest, but is it as massive as Haney's? no Haney had a monster chest (and this is why he was dominated by Haney)
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When will you morons understand, it’s GENETICS!
Not everyone is going to have flex Lewis or Dorian calves no matter what they do
By your analogy Johnnie Jackson trains chest, back, the same way as calves, why are his chest and back responding but not calves?? Hmmm
Flex Lewis trains calves with “shitty form” and look at his calves
Branch trains with loose form and has big calves and chest
it's not all about genetics, it's about wisdom too, look at Arnold and how he trained his calves
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Mike Christian actually has a good, big chest, but is it as massive as Haney's? no Haney had a monster chest (and this is why he was dominated by Haney)
Genetics
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Why do you post without reading? It is basic knowledge to not go above 30 degrees. Who is disputing that? You are not saying anything groundbreaking. Get it? No where did I post about a high incline.
Declines/flats are both fine for all parts of your chest. Sorry that you have difficulties doing a simple decline bench. Emg studies support my thinking not yours. My whole point is that incline emphasis is overrated when looking at actual muscle growth. It does the least out of the three. Not saying to not do it if you like variety/feels good but it isn't a magic exercise for "upper chest". You cannot separate lower/upper. Age old debate on this.
good, valid points
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Genetics
it's not all about genetics! >:(
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the f word is not necessary.
;D
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqtwnVP6_qk_eIVbf6Ca17kv_EyhhRmwKw212ZkH39iOO5rnmSTA) monster chest franco dominating Padilla
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it's not all about genetics! >:(
At least 90%
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;D
lol!
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2p7Bb0siPmPlmF1rplUYm2xVoDz0-1y-qvPxWRIywZvWa2exN)chest is everything
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it's not all about genetics! >:(
The secret is out..it´s Dynamic tension. remember i told you first.
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The secret is out..it´s Dynamic tension. remember i told you first.
dynamic tension? what is that?
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dynamic tension? what is that?
Lifting weights, this thread can be closed
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Lifting weights, this thread can be closed
ooh...you sound so intimidating... ::)
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ooh...you sound so intimidating... ::)
I try to introduce common sense, that's all..
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this is dynamic tension...no weights are needed to have a manly chest.
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I try to introduce common sense, that's all..
common sense, do me a favor..be quiet.
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this is dynamic tension...no weights are needed to have a manly chest.
dynamic tension will at most, harden your muscles a bit, no muscle growth though
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common sense, do me a favor..be quiet.
:D
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common sense, do me a favor..be quiet.
Hence my suggestion to end this useless thread
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Hence my suggestion to end this useless thread
you don't the guts, you are worthless.
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dynamic tension will at most, harden your muscles a bit, no muscle growth though
ah well...you need to try it my friend. growing up in Spain i never had access to weights but i grew like a weed
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ah well...you need to try it my friend. growing up in Spain i never had access to weights but i grew like a weed
how?
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you don't the guts, you are worthless.
By frustrating your attempt to start useless threads?
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how?
Dynamic tension. i posed for hours. rock hard tension. I was known as Pedro the bull.
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Dynamic tension. i posed for hours. rock hard tension. I was known as Pedro the bull.
I don't believe it. You're trolling me.
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By frustrating your attempt to start useless threads?
please add something interesting to the thread, no just annoying trolling. Grow up!
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I don't believe it. You're trolling me.
i also used a rubber garden hose to pull on...really pumped my biceps.
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i also used a rubber garden hose to pull on...really pumped my biceps.
oh....that's different..that's resistance training
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please add something interesting to the thread, no just annoying trolling. Grow up!
Telling the truth (genetics) isn't always a sexy thing to do.
Besides, which interesting thoughts do you have to share?
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Telling the truth (genetics) isn't always a sexy thing to do.
Besides, which interesting thoughts do you have to share?
you are annoying me!
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you are annoying me!
And so?
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can be done in the gym. big chest right here
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And so?
I just reported you. hopefully you will go away.
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can be done in the gym. big chest right here
that guy is not natty.
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I just reported you. hopefully you will go away.
Haha, how dare you? :D
Pretending this is a bodybuilding.com forum ;D
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Haha, how dare you? :D
Pretending this is a bodybuilding.com forum ;D
you started it. now you can try to ''kiss my butt'' all you want but it won't work, i already don't like you.
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you started it. now you can try to ''kiss my butt'' all you want but it won't work, i already don't like you.
You need a napkin?
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You need a napkin?
no thanks.
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check out this dude..ripped to the bone with rubber tubes :)
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Resistance bands are resistance training.
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Resistance bands are resistance training.
mmm...yes & no. go to the DIY store get some rubber tubes. all round muscle pump
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mmm...yes & no. go to the DIY store get some rubber tubes. all round muscle pump
I got a rubber band, works like a charm, I use it for warming up before biceps training or shoulders training or triceps training
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I got a rubber band, works like a charm, I use it for warming up before biceps training or shoulders training or triceps training
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^is that you?@chuckles
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I just reported you. hopefully you will go away.
;D
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;D
what's funny?
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaohYNtx3PYN2hu6G8XFjRPlYe6-A0BfPKxWlli1hQ3x_25gZc)chest is everything
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3EyFmcEvG8xiSmHeVG7c39WebVO4HkCs9labrk5QiHyYCzxZ6)chest is everything
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5eRrrc5gJNIL5qkWjSZelydSf3lpJQ1Zsl589G2LpyNqT1nMB)Franco Columbu dominated his competition with his massive chest
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5eRrrc5gJNIL5qkWjSZelydSf3lpJQ1Zsl589G2LpyNqT1nMB)Franco Columbu dominated his competition with his massive chest
Your post sound familiar.
Are you a fan of Stan Mcquay? 🤔
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Shizzo. you fucking cockksucker.
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what's funny?
This: https://www.peakendurancesport.com/endurance-training/strength-conditioning-and-flexibility/bench-press-dangerous-workout-exercise/ (https://www.peakendurancesport.com/endurance-training/strength-conditioning-and-flexibility/bench-press-dangerous-workout-exercise/)
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Your post sound familiar.
Are you a fan of Stan Mcquay? 🤔
no.
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Shizzo. you fucking cockksucker.
idk who shizzo is.
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No,no, and no, Haney chest is bigger because he trained harder and smarter than Mike Christian!
LOOK at the pictures.in EVERY case the guys with the biggest pecs , the pecs insert lower on the sternum. If you can't see that, get glasses. Ive been around this game for 30 years, trained with Mentzer, worked with John Defendis and Steve Michalik, was a trainer for 12 years and competed over that span, so I've seen and heard it wrong. Haney won because he had the better genetics than his competitors, you're wrong son.
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LOOK at the pictures.in EVERY case the guys with the biggest pecs , the pecs insert lower on the sternum. If you can't see that, get glasses. Ive been around this game for 30 years, trained with Mentzer, worked with John Defendis and Steve Michalik, was a trainer for 12 years and competed over that span, so I've seen and heard it all, including what you are saying. Haney won because he had the better genetics than his competitors, you're wrong son.
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LOOK at the pictures.in EVERY case the guys with the biggest pecs , the pecs insert lower on the sternum. If you can't see that, get glasses. Ive been around this game for 30 years, trained with Mentzer, worked with John Defendis and Steve Michalik, was a trainer for 12 years and competed over that span, so I've seen and heard it wrong. Haney won because he had the better genetics than his competitors, you're wrong son.
No, even short bodybuilder (5'5'') Franco Columbu developed a gigantic chest, and no his pecs did not insert lower on his sternum. I myself had no chest,no traps, and very weak calves, when I started bodybuilding at the age of 15, did that mean that I was doomed to have a small chest? No, hard, and smart training changed it all around for me (heavy bench presses with a wide grip was key, and making sure my delts and triceps don't get too strong)
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No, even short bodybuilder (5'5'') Franco Columbu developed a gigantic chest, and no his pecs did not insert lower on his sternum. I myself had no chest,no traps, and very weak calves, when I started bodybuilding at the age of 15, did that mean that I was doomed to have a small chest? No, hard, and smart training changed it all around for me (heavy bench presses with a wide grip was key, and making sure my delts and triceps don't get too strong)
You're a very naive person when you believe you can outwork mediocre genetics, no wonder why you're a religious nutcase..
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You're a very naive person when you believe you can outwork mediocre genetics, no wonder why you're a religious nutcase..
No, I have done it, when I started I had no chest, everything else blew up, back, arms delts, people accused me of steroids, but I had no chest, I thought I was doomed, but years later I managed to develop what many have called a ''big chest'', Arnold thought he was doomed to have small calves, and yet he managed to get his calves to grow and blow up. Don't be having that defeatist ''loser'' mentality, the mind is everything
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You're a very naive person when you believe you can outwork mediocre genetics, no wonder why you're a religious nutcase..
Consider who you are talking about physiques to.
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Consider who you are talking about physiques to.
read my previous post, I'm living proof it can be done, and all natty. I had what I would consider a ''no chest'' and I managed to turn it into what I call a ''big chest'' or an ''Arnold chest'', but it required smart training, and very hardcore training sessions
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No, even short bodybuilder (5'5'') Franco Columbu developed a gigantic chest, and no his pecs did not insert lower on his sternum. I myself had no chest,no traps, and very weak calves, when I started bodybuilding at the age of 15, did that mean that I was doomed to have a small chest? No, hard, and smart training changed it all around for me (heavy bench presses with a wide grip was key, and making sure my delts and triceps don't get too strong)
Your “chest” looks absolutely phenomenal here sexybeast
(http://i67.tinypic.com/9s8n68.jpg)
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^that's not me. I have no idea who that fat guy is
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No, I have done it, when I started I had no chest, everything else blew up, back, arms delts, people accused me of steroids, but I had no chest, I thought I was doomed, but years later I managed to develop what many have called a ''big chest'', Arnold thought he was doomed to have small calves, and yet he managed to get his calves to grow and blow up. Don't be having that defeatist ''loser'' mentality, the mind is everything
Having a weak chest from the beginning and poor genetics are 2 different things. Genetics has much more to do with the response on certain stimuli, like training, nutrition, sleep and -optional- peds. Take Flex Wheeler from example, as a 16 year old he looked like a marathon runner on a keto diet, but we all know what happened when he started training. This has nothing to do with 'secret exercises', but simply being a hyper-responder on certain stimuli.. No wonder why 5 guys from this year's AC top-6 were Hebrews.
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Having a weak chest from the beginning and poor genetics are 2 different things. Genetics has much more to do with the response on certain stimuli, like training, nutrition, sleep and -optional- peds. Take Flex Wheeler from example, as a 16 year old he looked like a marathon runner on a keto diet, but we all know what happened when he started training. This has nothing to do with 'secret exercises', but simply being a hyper-responder on certain stimuli.. No wonder why 5 guys from this year's AC top-6 were Hebrews.
Hebrews? what? You probably mean black. No more trolling please (serious thread, serious discussion only)
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Hebrews? what? You probably mean black. No more trolling please (serious thread, serious discussion only)
Haha, go fuck yourself mate, I say whatever I want :D
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRGyiHJJRN4HFhZl7BUlw5SG4RKoSdamMe9Q6lXXSVs5NWcRBZ)Franco Columbu is living proof that short guys (he was 5'5'', but Jeff Everson claims he was as short as 5'2'') can develop gigantic chest, and no he didn't have super low sternum insertions, his pectoral insertions were considered normal for a short guy (I'm short myself, 5'7'')
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Haha, go fuck yourself mate, I say whatever I want :D
mate? are you from Australia or something? shame of you.
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mate? are you from Australia or something? shame of you.
Sure, whatever ::)
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsmHEUNYBboX3BWKxab9kSlz7DR5Zqe7K_3FkwRmf17j3BnlDE)chest is everything
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^that's not me. I have no idea who that fat guy is
You may be required to prove this.
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFd1M14OnS6fxishkWsWG2gauZARUW-Zu_eOMEsWFFIzPeqcWx)Chest is everything. Someone made a comment about Rich Gaspari not having a good chest...I disagree, I think Gaspari had a great chest, big, protruding chest. 5'9'' Gaspari held his own against 6' tall Haney
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You may be required to prove this.
nah, I'm not required, relax
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good exercises for the lower chest are decline bench presses and dips
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What the fuck my post got deleted? Haha You weren’t joking actually did report me you worthless sack of shit
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What the fuck my post got deleted? Haha You weren’t joking actually did report me you worthless sack of shit
let this be a lesson to you. Behave.
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let this be a lesson to you. Behave.
No !
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more importantly though, is to understand which exercises truly target the lower chest area. I mention decline bench presses and dips, but flat bench presses also hit the lower chest and so flat dumbell flies. One technique that I like with dumbell flies is pausing in the stretched out position and at the top, and lower the dumbells very slowly, like doing negatives, it works, gets the chest sore. no pain no gain
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let this be a lesson to you. Behave.
I knew it from the beginning, you're a mental beta weakling and often the weak won't survive on this place..
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I knew it from the beginning, you're a mental beta weakling and often the weak won't survive on this place..
i'm stronger than you, all natty. beware, behave or I'll report you again.
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Fixed
(http://i67.tinypic.com/9s8n68.jpg)
ha ha, funny. grow up (or I'll report you again, be careful)
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getting stronger is key, if your max on the bench press is 225 lbs, your chest will be much bigger by the time you bench 405 lbs, but make sure your front delts and triceps don't get too strong, otherwise you'll be like those bodybuilders who can bench a lot but they have huge triceps and delts, but their pectoral muscles are nothing special. Good posture is key, practice the vacuum pose all the long, and stand straight, like Arnold, it will stretch out the pectoral muscles. Remember, having huge arms means nothing if your chest is small, the body has to grow in proportion (perfect proportions, or the closest thing to perfect proportions is Arnold)
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.com/index.php?ACT=52&fid=18&aid=1318_3VbXbyGnkMTracbUJ6n9&thumb=1&board_id=1)chest is everything
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkFWLfG8wpS1x0n6pwrD_n8Z8NFWSCSW19pmngsTbgBbH8yRUVxg)chest is everything
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL2zvE-UBTrw6mGihw62LzUZ75bD_XHwix81425uzi4GJiCOinEw)chest is everything
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Your posting style is very similar to another euro trash poster that used to post here hmmmmmm
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good exercises for the lower chest are decline bench presses and dips. Once the chest is up to par with the rest of the body, you can just continue to grow just concentrating on flat bench presses, since the flat bench press works the entire chest, both upper and lower chest, but if the chest is lagging then take a good look at your lower chest
I used to believe this also when I was 15.....and for a full year.
Most of my life people would always ask what exercise I do for lower chest ..... the answer is NONE .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Your posting style is very similar to another euro trash poster that used to post here hmmmmmm
be nice.
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I used to believe this also when I was 15.....and for a full year.
Most of my life people would always ask what exercise I do for lower chest ..... the answer is NONE .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
every time you do flat bench presses you are hitting the entire chest, both upper AND lower chest
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sidechest is my favorite pose
(http://i64.tinypic.com/ip2gcx.jpg)
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^yeah but you are not doing it like Arnold does it! suck the stomach in!
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i'm stronger than you, all natty. beware, behave or I'll report you again.
Sure, keep reporting me you sensitive fuck face :D
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every time you do flat bench presses you are hitting the entire chest, both upper AND lower chest
Every time I bench press I get a workout in my quads and every time I squat I feel my pecs are getting a work out
It’s very strange and odd
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Sure, keep reporting me you sensitive fuck face :D
don't say f word.
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Every time I bench press I get a workout in my quads and every time I squat I feel my pecs are getting a work out
It’s very strange and odd
yes, and deadlifts hit my upper chest a little, that's the beauty of compound movements, the whole body works together
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Sure, keep reporting me you sensitive fuck face :D
don´t you have anything better to do? you seem to like giving it out but feel insulted when it´s returned. Maybe low self esteem? get over it man.
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don't say f word.
FUCK-FACE
don´t you have anything better to do? you seem to like giving it out but feel insulted when it´s returned. Maybe low self esteem? get over it man.
Pretty ironic to hear that from you Donny. How many gimmicks have you created so far?
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Every time I bench press I get a workout in my quads and every time I squat I feel my pecs are getting a work out
It’s very strange and odd
I raise my feet when benching feet crossed in the air..not to protect my lower back but i feel it more in my chest. could this be because i can´t cheat with ego busting weight? also do it with flys.
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FUCK-FACE
Pretty ironic to hear that from you Donny. How many gimmicks have you created so far?
you asked for it (I report you now)
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you asked for it (I report you now)
Make my day, fuck face :D
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Make my day, fuck face :D
can i report you too?
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I raise my feet when benching feet crossed in the air..not to protect my lower back but i feel it more in my chest. could this be because i can´t cheat with ego busting weight? also do it with flys.
that's unnecessary, but Arnold also did something similar, and it worked for him
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that's unnecessary, but Arnold also did something similar, and it worked for him
well it works for me. It´s much better than feet on the floor, arched lower back...etc. I get that mind muscle connection. Not isolation but more connection to the muscle group(chest).
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can i report you too?
It's a free world fuck-face
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well it works for me. It´s much better than feet on the floor, arched lower back...etc. I get that mind muscle connection. Not isolation but more connection to the muscle group(chest).
call me crazy, but I train trying to increase my bench, getting stronger is what worked for my chest. Also getting muscle soreness is key, if I don't get sore, I don't grow at all
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It's a free world fuck-face
please don't be aggressive this is just an internet forum. Also my name is Pedro.
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Arnold and Franco (and Ferrigno) had good chest!
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please don't be aggressive this is just an internet forum. Also my name is Pedro.
Well, minus the 'r', Donny
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call me crazy, but I train trying to increase my bench, getting stronger is what worked for my chest. Also getting muscle soreness is key, if I don't get sore, I don't grow at all
OK but what has that to do with foot position? Do you need to bench? can you build thick pecs without the Bench?
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Well, minus the 'r', Donny
P E D R O ... i give up. maybe you have Paranoid schizophrenia.
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OK but what has that to do with foot position? Do you need to bench? can you build thick pecs without the Bench?
I've tried raising the legs, and felt like a fool, and no, I didn't feel any benefit. and yes I do need the bench, I was not blessed with good chest genetics, so the bench press is an absolute must for me (since it's the exercise that actually worked the best for my chest)
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P E D R O ... i give up. maybe you have Paranoid schizophrenia.
my psychic vibe tells me dropping plates is suffering from depression
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I've tried raising the legs, and felt like a fool, and no, I didn't feel any benefit. and yes I do need the bench, I was not blessed with good chest genetics, so the bench press is an absolute must for me (since it's the exercise that actually worked the best for my chest)
but have you tried alternative exercise & for how long? people try an exercise & say after a short period it´s not working. True you can do an exercise & feel it´s not OK for your body.
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my psychic vibe tells me dropping plates is suffering from depression
seems very obsessed with this Donny Guy. very strange indeed. must really own his mind.
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seems very obsessed with this Donny Guy. very strange indeed. must really own his mind.
we must show compassion, he needs help, poor guy
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we must show compassion, he needs help, poor guy
yes we must be the better man.
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yes we must be the better man.
yes, but at the same time, his cyber bullying had to stop. Idk where you are from, but where I'm from (America) cyber bullying is extremely illegal, and he needed to stop that because it's illegal and wrong
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yes, but at the same time, his cyber bullying had to stop. Idk where you are from, but where I'm from (America) cyber bullying is extremely illegal, and he needed to stop that because it's illegal and wrong
I am Spanish. cyber bullying? how does he get away with this? is there not rules on here? He seems a very nasty guy.
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I am Spanish. cyber bullying? how does he get away with this? is there not rules on here? He seems a very nasty guy.
I forgive him, because he knows not what he's doing
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I forgive him, because he knows not what he's doing
just ignore him. I want to talk Bodybuilding & do not have time for such a schmoe.
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just ignore him. I want to talk Bodybuilding & do not have time for such a schmoe.
ok sir
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ok sir
maybe it's his way of showing interest in you.
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Hey fucktard gimmicks (yes both of you), why not continue this intradesting discussion about chest building secrets? :D
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No secret..... a large deep rib box gives a chest a foundation to build upon, an extra advantage when adding muscle mass. Some are born with that deep full rib box, and look impressive even if never working out. Having a somewhat muscular ab area only increases the chest being impressive. If starting young enough, the cartilage between the ribs/breast bone is still in a elastic state of flux and can be encouraged to expand a bit. Programs of breathing squats pullovers, etc have accomplished this factor quite well. Depending on the individual, around the age of 22-24 the elastic state of the cartilage begins to set and harden. Not a case of the rib bones growing (can't do that), a case of the still plastic state of the cartilage stretching/expanding out a bit....if young enough when starting serious training..
Benching hits both the upper and lower pecs, though not in equal proportions, which only insure an unbalanced development. When working the bench, might suggest adjusting different hand spacing to see if you can come up with different results for lower or upper pecs. Seen a few guys use close, middle and wide grips when benching, in a single workout. Usually three sets each grip position.
As mentioned before, lifting the knees up and crossing the ankles give a more focuses affect to the chest area, taking that extra body English, including the legs to a lesser degree, out of the movement. . Tends to keep the lower back flat on the bench and more focus on the pressing motion of the bench. Seen many pure high volume BB'ers pushing around the 220 to 230 range when benching, with much better size and development than a lot of the 400+ heavier bencher's.
Dips are an excellent exercise for the whole chest area. With serious attention to dips, rather than doing flat benches, many make excellent improvement, where improve has been lacking. or little for years on the pecs. . Even bring the knees up and crossing the ankles (Gironda styes) allows more attention to the whole region.
Good Luck
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Hey fucktard gimmicks (yes both of you), why not continue this intradesting discussion about chest building secrets? :D
what is your opinion on the press to neck from V Gironda?
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what is your opinion on the press to neck from V Gironda?
The guillotine press? It results in a slightly better stretch, but it fucks up the rotator muscles.
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The guillotine press? It results in a slightly better stretch, but it fucks up the rotator muscles.
ok..so you can be positive.
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Why do the mods take this fat stinking cu nts report to mod complaints serious and delete the posts he complains about known its that sack of shit Shizzos gimmick account? Surely we should be allowed to mock and torment him?
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Why do the mods take this fat stinking cu nts report to mod complaints serious and delete the posts he complains about known its that sack of shit Shizzos gimmick account? Surely we should be allowed to mock and torment him?
Maybe it's because Shitso is sucking mods cocks.
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No secret..... a large deep rib box gives a chest a foundation to build upon, an extra advantage when adding muscle mass. Some are born with that deep full rib box, and look impressive even if never working out. Having a somewhat muscular ab area only increases the chest being impressive. If starting young enough, the cartilage between the ribs/breast bone is still in a elastic state of flux and can be encouraged to expand a bit. Programs of breathing squats pullovers, etc have accomplished this factor quite well. Depending on the individual, around the age of 22-24 the elastic state of the cartilage begins to set and harden. Not a case of the rib bones growing (can't do that), a case of the still plastic state of the cartilage stretching/expanding out a bit....if young enough when starting serious training..
Benching hits both the upper and lower pecs, though not in equal proportions, which only insure an unbalanced development. When working the bench, might suggest adjusting different hand spacing to see if you can come up with different results for lower or upper pecs. Seen a few guys use close, middle and wide grips when benching, in a single workout. Usually three sets each grip position.
As mentioned before, lifting the knees up and crossing the ankles give a more focuses affect to the chest area, taking that extra body English, including the legs to a lesser degree, out of the movement. . Tends to keep the lower back flat on the bench and more focus on the pressing motion of the bench. Seen many pure high volume BB'ers pushing around the 220 to 230 range when benching, with much better size and development than a lot of the 400+ heavier bencher's.
Dips are an excellent exercise for the whole chest area. With serious attention to dips, rather than doing flat benches, many make excellent improvement, where improve has been lacking. or little for years on the pecs. . Even bring the knees up and crossing the ankles (Gironda styes) allows more attention to the whole region.
Good Luck
agree, but pullovers can still benefit at a later age , they stretch the muscles around the ribs and back and loosen tight muscles especially with deep breathing , and will improve posture
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No secret..... a large deep rib box gives a chest a foundation to build upon, an extra advantage when adding muscle mass. Some are born with that deep full rib box, and look impressive even if never working out. Having a somewhat muscular ab area only increases the chest being impressive. If starting young enough, the cartilage between the ribs/breast bone is still in a elastic state of flux and can be encouraged to expand a bit. Programs of breathing squats pullovers, etc have accomplished this factor quite well. Depending on the individual, around the age of 22-24 the elastic state of the cartilage begins to set and harden. Not a case of the rib bones growing (can't do that), a case of the still plastic state of the cartilage stretching/expanding out a bit....if young enough when starting serious training..
Benching hits both the upper and lower pecs, though not in equal proportions, which only insure an unbalanced development. When working the bench, might suggest adjusting different hand spacing to see if you can come up with different results for lower or upper pecs. Seen a few guys use close, middle and wide grips when benching, in a single workout. Usually three sets each grip position.
As mentioned before, lifting the knees up and crossing the ankles give a more focuses affect to the chest area, taking that extra body English, including the legs to a lesser degree, out of the movement. . Tends to keep the lower back flat on the bench and more focus on the pressing motion of the bench. Seen many pure high volume BB'ers pushing around the 220 to 230 range when benching, with much better size and development than a lot of the 400+ heavier bencher's.
Dips are an excellent exercise for the whole chest area. With serious attention to dips, rather than doing flat benches, many make excellent improvement, where improve has been lacking. or little for years on the pecs. . Even bring the knees up and crossing the ankles (Gironda styes) allows more attention to the whole region.
Good Luck
Lifting the legs up so the lower back is flat on the bench takes a whole lofts workload OFF the pecs and shifts it to the anterior delts.
Study some kinesiology.
You want to work just? Think about it... Where are your hands and arms when you flex your chest say, in the mirror for example?
They sure as fuck arnt straight out in front of you. They're down by your lower abdomen or belly button. That is the hand position you need to be near at contraction when training the chest. Doing bench presses with your legs up and your back flat sure as hell doesn't place your hands in that position.
If you want to put as much pressure on the packs as possible, you need a large arch in your back with your feet/toes pressing into the floor, further ensuring you have a sufficient arch in your lower back.
You mentioned dips... When doing dips for chest, you want to lean as far forward as possible. Not straight up & down, which hits triceps and some anterior delts. Look at dips from the side... Where are your hands at full contraction? They're down in line by your belly button, just like youre flexing your chest.
EMG studies have proven decline pressing activates more "upper chest" fibers than incline pressing. Why? (Broscience vs. Real science) Because you're in the best position possible to activate chest fibers throughout the entire movement,& mimicking the body mechanics of when you are flexing chest in the mirror (or on stage). Doing flat bench with a big arch mimics closely a decline press.
I also find it amusing how some guys will talk shit about the decline press, yet praise dips... When looking at both movements from the side, they are pretty goddamn similar.
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Lifting the legs up so the lower back is flat on the bench takes a whole lofts workload OFF the pecs and shifts it to the anterior delts.
Study some kinesiology.
You want to work just? Think about it... Where are your hands and arms when you flex your chest say, in the mirror for example?
They sure as fuck arnt straight out in front of you. They're down by your lower abdomen or belly button. That is the hand position you need to be near at contraction when training the chest. Doing bench presses with your legs up and your back flat sure as hell doesn't place your hands in that position.
If you want to put as much pressure on the packs as possible, you need a large arch in your back with your feet/toes pressing into the floor, further ensuring you have a sufficient arch in your lower back.
You mentioned dips... When doing dips for chest, you want to lean as far forward as possible. Not straight up & down, which hits triceps and some anterior delts. Look at dips from the side... Where are your hands at full contraction? They're down in line by your belly button, just like youre flexing your chest.
EMG studies have proven decline pressing activates more "upper chest" fibers than incline pressing. Why? (Broscience vs. Real science) Because you're in the best position possible to activate chest fibers throughout the entire movement,& mimicking the body mechanics of when you are flexing chest in the mirror (or on stage). Doing flat bench with a big arch mimics closely a decline press.
I also find it amusing how some guys will talk shit about the decline press, yet praise dips... When looking at both movements from the side, they are pretty goddamn similar.
Good post. Agree about the decline press, wish my gym had one now, I started on them when I had a shoulder issue and then stuck with them as my main chest exercise.
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No secret..... a large deep rib box gives a chest a foundation to build upon, an extra advantage when adding muscle mass. Some are born with that deep full rib box, and look impressive even if never working out. Having a somewhat muscular ab area only increases the chest being impressive. If starting young enough, the cartilage between the ribs/breast bone is still in a elastic state of flux and can be encouraged to expand a bit. Programs of breathing squats pullovers, etc have accomplished this factor quite well. Depending on the individual, around the age of 22-24 the elastic state of the cartilage begins to set and harden. Not a case of the rib bones growing (can't do that), a case of the still plastic state of the cartilage stretching/expanding out a bit....if young enough when starting serious training..
Benching hits both the upper and lower pecs, though not in equal proportions, which only insure an unbalanced development. When working the bench, might suggest adjusting different hand spacing to see if you can come up with different results for lower or upper pecs. Seen a few guys use close, middle and wide grips when benching, in a single workout. Usually three sets each grip position.
As mentioned before, lifting the knees up and crossing the ankles give a more focuses affect to the chest area, taking that extra body English, including the legs to a lesser degree, out of the movement. . Tends to keep the lower back flat on the bench and more focus on the pressing motion of the bench. Seen many pure high volume BB'ers pushing around the 220 to 230 range when benching, with much better size and development than a lot of the 400+ heavier bencher's.
Dips are an excellent exercise for the whole chest area. With serious attention to dips, rather than doing flat benches, many make excellent improvement, where improve has been lacking. or little for years on the pecs. . Even bring the knees up and crossing the ankles (Gironda styes) allows more attention to the whole region.
Good Luck
I just had one heck of a work out, it was brutal, no pain no gain...I KNOW I will be sore, ha ha, the good kind of soreness, oh, and I was strong (I build my body old school style, huge chest, vacuum pose, huge arms, v=taper, muscular legs but not to the point where they overpower the upper body. Body like Arnold 1975)
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Its a known fact that overdeveloping the lower chest attracts older schmoes who will offer big bucks for pec-slapping sessions. Stick with Steve Reeves and Vince Girondas advice on not overdeveloping the lower pecs and just striving for a nice solid lower pec line. And in doing so....one will not attract the pec-slapping fetish queens.
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Lifting the legs up so the lower back is flat on the bench takes a whole lofts workload OFF the pecs and shifts it to the anterior delts.
Study some kinesiology.
You want to work just? Think about it... Where are your hands and arms when you flex your chest say, in the mirror for example?
They sure as fuck arnt straight out in front of you. They're down by your lower abdomen or belly button. That is the hand position you need to be near at contraction when training the chest. Doing bench presses with your legs up and your back flat sure as hell doesn't place your hands in that position.
If you want to put as much pressure on the packs as possible, you need a large arch in your back with your feet/toes pressing into the floor, further ensuring you have a sufficient arch in your lower back.
You mentioned dips... When doing dips for chest, you want to lean as far forward as possible. Not straight up & down, which hits triceps and some anterior delts. Look at dips from the side... Where are your hands at full contraction? They're down in line by your belly button, just like youre flexing your chest.
EMG studies have proven decline pressing activates more "upper chest" fibers than incline pressing. Why? (Broscience vs. Real science) Because you're in the best position possible to activate chest fibers throughout the entire movement,& mimicking the body mechanics of when you are flexing chest in the mirror (or on stage). Doing flat bench with a big arch mimics closely a decline press.
I also find it amusing how some guys will talk shit about the decline press, yet praise dips... When looking at both movements from the side, they are pretty goddamn similar.
True...but you are missing the point: You can't build thick and wide chest if your main goal in the gym is showing off how much weight you can bench. If you want a big chest your training would be different, long sets, no partial reps, no one rep max, no cheat in every fucking set you bench. Just work work work with good range of motion, good concentration and good stretch in every rep. You know, old school bench pressing back from the times when bodybuilders have thick and wide pecks..
How many of you guys have ever done any wide grip bench presses? Have any of you guys ever wonder if that flat bench is too wide for you? Arnold and Haney used to train with quite narrow bodybuilding style benches, while all modern benches are designed more by the terms of powerlifting. Same exercise, why bother to do two different kind of benches? Because the goal isn't same ;D
You don't understand why "how some guys will talk shit about the decline press, yet praise dips"? Have you ever seen what they call "dips"? It's include lots of weight hanging from your belt, and 1½" range of motion ;D
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Bench press: Actually with the ankles crossed and the knees up you will be allowing more strict attention to the targeted muscle area, that being the pecs. Somewhat confused as to why more tension (rather than pressure....we don't want pressure) would be directed to the anterior delts rather than to the pec's (major and minor) in that position. Hand gripping will dominate the influence of either the pec's themselves, the anterior delts or even the triceps.. When arching the lower back to the extreme and pressing the legs/toes from the floor, a lot of that direct tension is lost. That is a PL'ers style, not a pure BB'ers style.
Decline press: This has been a rewarding movement for some, with DB's usually the choice for experience BB'ers. But for most, it can be annoying just to get into the position without a good spotter and does not always reap the results wanted. Truth be told, some just do not like the feeling of the exercise with the head in that lower position. Personal view only.....is that dips (weighted) can be a more result producing experience than decline presses (or even flat bench presses), recruiting the whole upper body, including the ab's strongly. And a more effective movement , taking the TUT (time under tension) into consideration on the whole of the chest structure (major/minor pec's) . Weighted dip's referred to here.
Just to note, if keeping the body at a 180 degree angle when dipping (have a training partner hold the feet/lower body or brace the lower body/feet against a bench or whatever) than you have a superior tricep builders. Might also suggest using a "V" bar when dipping, if your gym has one. Allows different hand gripping, going from narrow to wide. Like the bench, trying different grip positions can make all the difference in the world when seeking development and strength. Dips are one of my favorite exercises. I will usually start from a dead stop at the bottom of each rep..with a 2 to 3 second pause. I use that same protocol on the bench and bench squats from time to time
A greatly overlooked exercise for the chest/pecs are pullovers. I prefer the bent arm version with either a BB or DB's. Also a great lat and triceps builder. Also affects the ab's strongly. One of my all time compound exercise is the pullover & press, a prime mass builder for the upper body. . When doing GVT (10X10's) of the pullover& press, I found my best gains.
Good Luck.
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nah, I'm not required, relax
Oh really now sexybanned777times?
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Without the genetics, you'll never have a monster chest, an Arnold chest
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He has a small chest and did the same workouts like everyone else did for decades and it was still small, like Titus, it’s genetics. It’s already predetermined lees chest wasn’t going to develop a massive chest no matter he did or took
Just like guys like Johnnie Jackson who has a massive chest but no matter how many calf raises he does he won’t have calves like flex Lewis, Phil, or even branch
You mention Titus, I assume you mean Craig Titus, Craig didn't have a small chest, idk where you get that
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His chest looked pretty big to me (https://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/72/images/Craig_Titus_64.jpg)
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Art Atwood biggest chest in the cemetery
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building the chest ( as with every bodypart) is determined by genetics. PERIOD. hand spacing diferent angles amount of weight etc does contribute SLIGHTLY to the development. bench presses are a good exercise but not the best for everyone. in my opinion the dumbell fly flat bench or slightly inclined ( slightly not like most incline benches ) is the best pec developer done properly. its pretty much pure pecs. I have pondered over the years if doing basic compound exercises are really the way to go for mass. it sounds good and right in THEORY but in alot of people they dont hit the targeted bodypart. example in benches. more delts and triceps than pecs. barbell curls more front delts than biceps. we were always taught that isolation exercises are not best for mass etc. I personally feel that they work great for mass because you actually work just the muscle you want to work. they are not ego builders cuz no one ever says hey how much can you fly? lol. every one is different with what actually works and where they feel it. i believe it was vince gironda or maybe joe gold ( i could be wrong) who said to see what and where you feel an exercise do just that one for like 10 sets and then see where you are sore at for the next few days. try it you might be surprised and change your way of training
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Art Atwood biggest chest in the cemetery
Bro...
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building the chest ( as with every bodypart) is determined by genetics. PERIOD. hand spacing diferent angles amount of weight etc does contribute SLIGHTLY to the development. bench presses are a good exercise but not the best for everyone. in my opinion the dumbell fly flat bench or slightly inclined ( slightly not like most incline benches ) is the best pec developer done properly. its pretty much pure pecs. I have pondered over the years if doing basic compound exercises are really the way to go for mass. it sounds good and right in THEORY but in alot of people they dont hit the targeted bodypart. example in benches. more delts and triceps than pecs. barbell curls more front delts than biceps. we were always taught that isolation exercises are not best for mass etc. I personally feel that they work great for mass because you actually work just the muscle you want to work. they are not ego builders cuz no one ever says hey how much can you fly? lol. every one is different with what actually works and where they feel it. i believe it was vince gironda or maybe joe gold ( i could be wrong) who said to see what and where you feel an exercise do just that one for like 10 sets and then see where you are sore at for the next few days. try it you might be surprised and change your way of training
I hear what you are saying but not everything is genetics, when I do benches I get sore in my chest, no soreness in front delts or triceps
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great. so that means benches do in fact work for you cuz you feel it in the chest. some people dont. only delts and tris. so thats a perfect example of how to find out what works. but even still just cuz your chest is doing the work doesnt mean you will get a chest like arnolds. that is GENETICS.
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I hear what you are saying but not everything is genetics, when I do benches I get sore in my chest, no soreness in front delts or triceps
and soreness is an indicator of?
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and soreness is an indicator of?
after 25 years in the gym, i still cant answer that question... ive gone months without delts or traps being sore.... they still grew... been sore every week in the legs for months.. they still grew.... forearms never sore... still grew..
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sorenes is really just an indication that the body did something it wasnt used to. period. stretch and your sore. flex hard and your sore. get punched and your sore. did any of those build muscle? no. its the bodies response to some form of trauma. in exercise does it mean growth? maybe. maybe not. BUT at least you will know what body part is doing the work ( or its new to that body part). i have seen guys do benches inclines etc for years and get little chest development but stuck to it cuz they always heard thats the best. they started doing flys and dips and got a nice chest. now maybe their form was off in the compound movements ( as it is with alot of guys cuz they get carried away with how much weight they can bench and their form sucks). my point is dont be afraid to let go of something if its not working for you. what do you have to lose? if your chest isnt getting bigger from benches why not try something else?
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The muscle will adapt
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sorenes is really just an indication that the body did something it wasnt used to. period. stretch and your sore. flex hard and your sore. get punched and your sore. did any of those build muscle? no. its the bodies response to some form of trauma. in exercise does it mean growth? maybe. maybe not. BUT at least you will know what body part is doing the work ( or its new to that body part). i have seen guys do benches inclines etc for years and get little chest development but stuck to it cuz they always heard thats the best. they started doing flys and dips and got a nice chest. now maybe their form was off in the compound movements ( as it is with alot of guys cuz they get carried away with how much weight they can bench and their form sucks). my point is dont be afraid to let go of something if its not working for you. what do you have to lose? if your chest isnt getting bigger from benches why not try something else?
I was probably in my mid-twenties and training six days a week -- hard! I had the time, motivation, energy, and a great training partner. He pushed me harder than I would have pushed myself.
The day after going bowling for the first time I was completely sore in my biceps and front delts. Bowling FFS! Sure we bowled for hours but I never came even remotely close to any type of intensity. That experience caused me to rethink this whole muscle soreness thing.
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Dips?
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building the chest ( as with every bodypart) is determined by genetics. PERIOD. hand spacing diferent angles amount of weight etc does contribute SLIGHTLY to the development.
You are sort of giving mixed messages. First it's genetics, "PERIOD"
but then you say:
i have seen guys do benches inclines etc for years and get little chest development but stuck to it cuz they always heard thats the best. they started doing flys and dips and got a nice chest.
I think bodybuilding is mainly genetics, absolutely. I'm all for choosing exercises that hit the targeted muscle best while minimizing wear and tear and injury risk, short and long term. However if someone can't build his chest at all with barbell presses it's unlikely he will suddenly build a wonderful chest with dumbells or machines or whatever.
I've made a certain point many times, which I've rarely seen others make, and it's that many say they are growing and gaining with this or that exercise or routine when the reality is that most of the time we aren't growing anything. We are maintaining, losing and RE-gaining lost muscle 99% of the time. Very little time is spent actually gaining new muscle.
For example, many oldtimers often say they have lightened the loads or switched exercises and are gaining "just as well" now. No, you aren't gaining shit, you were bigger 20 years ago.
And I include myself in the group that isn't gaining shit, hasn't really gained much at all in decades :'( To actually gain, you need some drastic change in stimulus, you need to
change some parameter drastically.
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You are sort of giving mixed messages. First it's genetics, "PERIOD"
but then you say:
I think bodybuilding is mainly genetics, absolutely. I'm all for choosing exercises that hit the targeted muscle best while minimizing wear and tear and injury risk, short and long term. However if someone can't build his chest at all with barbell presses it's unlikely he will suddenly build a wonderful chest with dumbells or machines or whatever.
I've made a certain point many times, which I've rarely seen others make, and it's that many say they are growing and gaining with this or that exercise or routine when the reality is that most of the time we aren't growing anything. We are maintaining, losing and RE-gaining lost muscle 99% of the time. Very little time is spent actually gaining new muscle.
For example, many oldtimers often say they have lightened the loads or switched exercises and are gaining "just as well" now. No, you aren't gaining shit, you were bigger 20 years ago.
And I include myself in the group that isn't gaining shit, hasn't really gained much at all in decades :'( To actually gain, you need some drastic change in stimulus, you need to
change some parameter drastically.
This is an excellent point and I have noted you've made it in the past as I've noticed the same thing. Even on this thread, you will hear someone say that they've made gains doing such and such but they haven't gain shit. You would think that people who are long time trainees and have been at various gyms for years would notice that nobody really changes. They look the same year after year -- even themselves. Sure you gain and lose weight so your body composition changes but actual lean muscle stays the same or gets less. Obviously, if you are a teenager this doesn't apply as you grow anyway if you have adequate nutrition. Only a drastic upping the dose will make a difference but this levels off too. Then it's all about conditioning. Ramy, Phil, Brandon, Roelly will not get any bigger but only more condition. There are exceptions like with Jay in 2007. But it does crack me up when I hear so many people in real life and here on this board say, "I'm still making gains." If they are it's not from any kind of training or diet they're on. It's more gear and peptides.
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Only a drastic upping the dose will make a difference but this levels off too. Then it's all about conditioning. Ramy, Phil, Brandon, Roelly will not get any bigger but only more condition. There are exceptions like with Jay in 2007.
Roelly was at his biggest ever a year or two back. Most probably don't appreciate what he had to do at that level to make gains. Probably saw a doctor every day at Oxygen gym who checked his vitals and blood work to see if he was in imminent danger and in need of hospitalization. I'm serious too. :D
He downsized a bit for a good while recently, no doubt to keep from dying but I think he's doing the O now.
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Yes genetics!! Do you not understand that genetics determines everything. You will only get so big due to GENETICS. The peaks are determined by GENETICS. The chest split is determined by GENETICS. Do we really need to explain this to you or anyone who is even remotely familiar with bodybuilding?. Everyone can improve no matter what. So yes benches may not make your chest grow but flys might. That by itself doesnt mean GENETICS. that just means your body doesnt grow from benches. Maybe your doing it wrong maybe to heavy maybe not heavy enough etc. Thats not genetics. How big and developed you become is GENETICS.
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And pellius your right about the bowling etc. Once i was holding my newborn nephew for about 15 or 20 minutes. Of course i was holding him tight and nervous etc. Afterwards I was sore for days in my biceps. Worse than any workout. Now did i grow from that? lmao Soreness really just tells us what bodypart did something new. Doesnt always ( if at all ) means growth
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Yes genetics!! Do you not understand that genetics determines everything. You will only get so big due to GENETICS. The peaks are determined by GENETICS. The chest split is determined by GENETICS. Do we really need to explain this to you or anyone who is even remotely familiar with bodybuilding?. Everyone can improve no matter what. So yes benches may not make your chest grow but flys might. That by itself doesnt mean GENETICS. that just means your body doesnt grow from benches. Maybe your doing it wrong maybe to heavy maybe not heavy enough etc. Thats not genetics. How big and developed you become is GENETICS.
There are better and worse exercises and better and worse ways to do them but do you really think someone who could not make their chest grow at all with barbell benches suddenly will make it grow with flies?
Why is this scenario unlikely? Because the barbell bench will hit chest no matter what in anyone, there is no way to do it without engaging the pectorals. Yes some may feel it isn't optimal for their structure and hurts their shoulders or whatever, but my point still stands. Therefore I say that genetics is the prime factor in development, not exercise selection. Genetics as in having enough fibers to work with.
Another example would be quads. If the genetics for good quads are there, both squats and leg presses will hypertrophy them. Squats may hurt a guys hips or lower back but it's not like the squats won't grow the quads at all whereas they suddenly explode with growth on leg presses.
Any number of exercises that hit the area will work. Some a little better, some a little worse but the exercise selection is somewhat secondary.
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"Lower" chest. ::)
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wrong again. smh. some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what? hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up? no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench? not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop.. Im a big believer in squats but if your lower back is weak it gives out before you stimulate the thighs so there fore leg presses might be better or hacks or extensions done first to pre exhaust thighs before squating. my point is not every exercise hits the same for everyone. and not everyone grows the same. growth strength etc are all from genetics. how you respond to drugs is also genetics.. you can improve your lifting form etc but that doesnt always help. a guy with short arms and big chest can bench more and get better pec contractions ( usually) than a guy with long arms and sunken chest. however any type of isolation exercise for any body part does just that. it isolates the muscle your trying too develop. case closed
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wrong again. smh. some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what? hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up? no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench? not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop.. Im a big believer in squats but if your lower back is weak it gives out before you stimulate the thighs so there fore leg presses might be better or hacks or extensions done first to pre exhaust thighs before squating. my point is not every exercise hits the same for everyone. and not everyone grows the same. growth strength etc are all from genetics. how you respond to drugs is also genetics.. you can improve your lifting form etc but that doesnt always help. a guy with short arms and big chest can bench more and get better pec contractions ( usually) than a guy with long arms and sunken chest. however any type of isolation exercise for any body part does just that. it isolates the muscle your trying too develop. case closed
Cliff notes = It's all genetics.
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lower chest. lol i agree. why is it pretty much only the chest people say lower middle upper outer inner etc. lmao. what about lats? thighs? calves? cracks me up. ive had guys come to me saying i a doing declines inclines flats crossovers and flyes. but my chest isnt growing. i say why you doing all that? they say i want to build my upper my lower my middle my inner my outer chest. i laugh my ass off and say dude first build a chest. then see what ares are lacking. they get pissed but its the truth. . you may hit a body part slightly different from one exercise to another but this whole upper lower outer etc is crazy.
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wrong again. smh. some people are designed to get more out of certain exercises than others. so if a guy does benches super fast in order to bounce the weight back up his chest is gonna grow no matter what? hmmmm do you see people bouncing flys to get it back up? no. cuz they can injure themselves so they do it better and it works the pecs much more. what about barbell curls? you see guys throwing the weight up swinging their backs in order to get the weight up. hmmm better than concentration curls or dumbell curls on incline bench? not even close. again you fail to understand that you have to stimulate the muscle fibers in order for something to happen to grow etc. certain exercises for some people no matter what they do doesnt stimulate the body part they are trying to develop..
No one does benches with all bounce and zero pec involvement. Show me a bodybuilder who does that?
This strictness argument is actually an interesting topic. Do you need deliberate contractions and full range of motion to develop a muscle? When I thought of bouncing benches who comes to mind? Branch Warren. Absolute shit form, bouncing and half range movements. However, huge fucking chest. So while execution matters, absolutely it does, evidently it's not critical to grow. You need to stimulate the muscle but bouncing and cheating does that too, sometimes even more than strict form imo, but that's a longer discussion.
Ronnie's form was absolute shit on everything and he was the most developed bb of all time.
Arnold did a lot of cheat curls too :D
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Lol, look at Branch doing inclines at 5 minutes or so. Then quarter range bouncing dumbells.
Fuck, look at 5 minutes. LMAO.
Big fucking pecs though :D
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Drugs > Training
I've met a lot of big dudes that trained like idiots. All the way big dudes.
Look at the videos of the young Pros people post on here. Their form is garbage most of the time. Half reps, cheat curls, etc.
We got spoiled with Ronnie. One of the few guys that had pretty good form on all lifts.
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We got spoiled with Ronnie. One of the few guys that had pretty good form on all lifts.
Not sure if serious ??? ??? ???
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Not sure if serious ??? ??? ???
Compared to most Pro's I always thought his form was decent. I haven't seen a Pro with good form in a long time. Dorian was pretty good too.
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Compared to most Pro's I always thought his form was decent. I haven't seen a Pro with good form in a long time. Dorian was pretty good too.
Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.
Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.
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Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.
Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.
Yeah you're right, I hadn't watched one of his training videos in a while. On the heavier sets Ronnie's form is trash. He just powers through everything.
Dorian is much more strict and controlled.
One is still healthy and the other destroyed his body.
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well thank you so much for proving my point about genetics. WHEN you have great GENETICS anything you do will work. Hell do a curl and your pecs will grow. lol A calf raise and your lats flare out. ( ok its an exaggeration but hopefully people get my point) when you have genetics you grow easier than others. Theres a saying in gyms "if you want to get big and strong go to the biggest strongest guy in the gym and ask him how he did it. then do the exact opposite!! ) cuz he was gonna grow no matter what he did. When you have sub par genetics you dont grow easy and you have to find ways to help. Again using the bench as an example you might bench 300 but never get decent pecs. That exercise may not work for you. So try something else. My point is dont be stuck to doing something just because everyone says it works. If your not growing or changing then try something else. Lets take boyer coe. Im sure he tried every ab program known to man but he never got abs. why? GENETICS. How many people copied dorians version of the bent row? who got a back like his? no one. why? GENETICS. he could of done sit ups and built his back. lol.
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And pellius your right about the bowling etc. Once i was holding my newborn nephew for about 15 or 20 minutes. Of course i was holding him tight and nervous etc. Afterwards I was sore for days in my biceps. Worse than any workout. Now did i grow from that? lmao Soreness really just tells us what bodypart did something new. Doesnt always ( if at all ) means growth
Dingding! We have a winner :)
When I was intimate with my first real girlfriend, I was barely twenty, so I could go for a long time.
The day after, I experienced soreness in parts of my body that were hitherto untouched by many years of full squatting and stiff-legged deads.
Soreness is definitely not a primary driver for hypertrophy. Even Mentzer ruled that out.
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Dingding! We have a winner :)
When I was intimate with my first real girlfriend, I was barely twenty, so I could go for a long time.
The day after, I experienced soreness in parts of my body that were hitherto untouched by many years of full squatting and stiff-legged deads.
Soreness is definitely not a primary driver for hypertrophy. Even Mentzer ruled that out.
It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.
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Dips?
I do Gironda dips
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Dorian was textbook. Ronnie was pretty horrible tbh. Training style is something innate, never changes, even today Ronnie looks like he has zero control of the movements. Tons of momentum and avoiding hard deliberate contractions.
Think about how Ronnie did rows, for example t-bars. Compare to Dorian's rows.
And yet he built more muscle than anyone? ???
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Yeah you're right, I hadn't watched one of his training videos in a while. On the heavier sets Ronnie's form is trash. He just powers through everything.
Dorian is much more strict and controlled.
One is still healthy and the other destroyed his body.
Again...It's not a competition about ''who has better form''...no, it's about bodybuilding, stimulating muscle growth, sometimes ballistic movements will give you the most growth, perfect form won't build much muscle, at least for me perfect form doesn't build much (I train similar to Ronnie and Branch but not exactly, I also prefer high reps, everything 10+ reps up to 300 reps)
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It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.
Hahaha
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It was her loose pussy which caused you to use all the stabilizing muscles not accustomed to being activated.
:D ;D
Pretty funny :)
FWIW, she was surprisingly tight for a 37-year-old broad who'd pumped out four kids.
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Lol, look at Branch doing inclines at 5 minutes or so. Then quarter range bouncing dumbells.
Fuck, look at 5 minutes. LMAO.
Big fucking pecs though :D
why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym
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why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym
Because they are hardcore warriors of the iron. ;D
Branch is a legit midget.
He has short man syndrome so bad.
His body is wrecked because he trained like this.
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why cant they just rack the fucking dumbells, I would throw him out if it was my gym
This 100%. Two fucking 1st rate Assholes.