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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
dont be a wuss
what is your dose?
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I do TRT only it is pellets every 4 months. My insurance covers all of it and i can see doing this for 10 more years I am 55
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Diabetics pin themselves several times a day. What’s all the fuss about ???
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Beauty is pain
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don't be a pussy. on trt for over three years. 75 mgs a week. puts me around 350 on my twice a year blood test. good enough for me. 61, never felt better in my life. one shot a week, takes about oh, maybe 60 seconds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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don't be a pussy. on trt for over three years. 75 mgs a week. puts me around 350 on my twice a year blood test. good enough for me. 61, never felt better in my life. one shot a week, takes about oh, maybe 60 seconds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Im at 950 at 55.. how are you feeling?
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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
Raises hand ;D
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Im at 950 at 55.. how are you feeling?
No shit? 950 on pellets? I'm gonna have to talk to my doc.
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No shit? 950 on pellets? I'm gonna have to talk to my doc.
I was higher at one point but I've been on pellets for about 3 years now and I felt no better at 1150 than I do at 800 so anywhere above 800 and below 1000 is my sweet spot. I go in every 3.5 months, takes about 15 minutes and I don't pay a dime. I cant ask for more than that
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just as an aside, my last visit, the Doc said there was this new insurance requirement where everyone has to start over with 5 pellets, I was doing 11.... and then we have to redo all the blood test etc and I can certainly tell the difference between 11 and 5 pellets in my attitude, so I go to get bloodwork tomorrow, I'm curious as to what my Test is at with this reduced dose. I've already spoken to my doctor and told him I don't care what the numbers say, I can tell this isn't working for me so hopefully we can get it back up to around 10 pellets
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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
Don’t be a pussy!
Donate blood, at an HRT dose it probably won’t even be necessary.
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HAHA are you kidding -I never did juice growing up-at 40 I started TRT and deca masteron etc and look fwd to every injection!
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Doing a shot once a week is not that much of a hassle is it?
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Doing a shot once a week is not that much of a hassle is it?
MB is probably a lazy fat fuck that showers once a week.
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don't be a pussy. on trt for over three years. 75 mgs a week. puts me around 350 on my twice a year blood test. good enough for me. 61, never felt better in my life. one shot a week, takes about oh, maybe 60 seconds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
350 seems stil rather low. Ever try higher? It would feel better then 150 but still seems low for TRT. The dose in and of itself may not be but when taking it once a week seems like it would fluctuate.
Believe Crisler/Gordon do somewhere around 30mg twice a week on some patients based on blood tests to avoid use of ai.
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I'm on 100mg week and my levels are between 350-400. Sometimes I'd like to be higher as this dose really doesn't do much. Been on for 3 years and am not quite 40 yet. So yeah, I plan (hope) to be doing this at least another 40 years ;D
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I've contemplated it at age 52 (almost 53) but I'm at 493 naturally (tested at the beginning of May) which is okay with me. Once you go on TRT your nards quit producing test on their own. Maybe 10 years down the road, we'll see.
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If you're afraid of i.m. needles just go the subQ route. Absorption rates are similar and there is much less pain.
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why use a supplier if u can just go to the doc and get pharma for rt?
hrt beats any normal physiological range, any time. worried about testes? use LH, done
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In my 4th year on. It's a life saver.
Forget your number and focus on how you feel. At 125/wk its awesome. No blood giving required for me either.
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Guys are still injecting once a week? The updated protocol is a minimum of twice a week. Estrogen is under better control since the dosages are halved. You also get steady, even levels throughout the week instead of a quick peak. Subcutaneous injections is the way to go if you’re doing it for the long haul unless you want scar tissue building up over the decades.
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DO any of you guys take HCG with each Test shot?
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
If and when that happens, I'll deal with it. For now, the benefits outweigh the potential, possible side effects.
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I do TRT only it is pellets every 4 months
lol... tards used to half joke about actually harpooning themselves to implant tren pellets like cattle... and here we are - stupid human tricks
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lol... tards used to half joke about actually harpooning themselves to implant tren pellets like cattle... and here we are - stupid human tricks
You forgot so I will remind you. I don't respond to your posts. You are a troll of the worst kind. Moronic. You bring nothing positive to any thread you participate in other than juvenile pot stirring. You are whats wrong with Getbig these days.
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You forgot so I will remind you. I don't respond to your posts.
so u've told me lol
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If and when that happens, I'll deal with it. For now, the benefits outweigh the potential, possible side effects.
Exactly, the next 30-40 years of my life are way too valuable to live through with low energy and strength muscle loss
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Glad I made the choice just got my labs back, been on trt for almost 2 years, levels been consistent at 900-1100. The shots are nothing if you care about the quality of your life.
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Are you guys able to fuck allright?
I read some reports hear and there of people having weak erections on testosterone.
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Are you guys able to fuck allright?
I read some reports hear and there of people having weak erections on testosterone.
For me it works great!
I only do 250mg a week though.
Before that my system was fucked after hardcore gear use and i had to rely on fucking viagra. But not anymore. Problem now is not to let one girl know that two mistresses exist. :)
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
Prostate enlargement is a real pain in the ass.
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
Nope. Recent studies have shown that it is most likely increased/high estrogen that is the culprit for that in men.
If it was test in and of itself there would be an influx of young men who have it. It is generally an older individual issue once test drops/estrogen increases. Pretty much debunked at this point that TRT is the direct issue. Crisler has a good video on YouTube about it I believe.
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Are you guys able to fuck allright?
I read some reports hear and there of people having weak erections on testosterone.
The boners are ridiculous, the good thing about going through a clinic is you are monitored and can request blood work at anytime, so you know your dht, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, free test, psa. You are not playing guessing games, so if one of those numbers is out of range the doctors can remedy that. For me when I first started my estrogen was out of range, so the doctor just increased my arimidex to 1.5 a week now everything is balanced and testosterone is optimized.
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The boners are ridiculous, the good thing about going through a clinic is you are monitored and can request blood work at anytime, so you know your dht, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, free test, psa. You are not playing guessing games, so if one of those numbers is out of range the doctors can remedy that. For me when I first started my estrogen was out of range, so the doctor just increased my arimidex to 1.5 a week now everything is balanced and testosterone is optimized.
Care to share estimated cost?
me - I am all about it for sure. my natural test is great and ive been a clean good kid for 2 years now - i will be getting my blood work here soon.
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Speaking of the hassles of pinning...is it pretty safe to say at this point that glute injections you don't really need to pull back and aspirate anymore?...were at the millions of steroid injections by people around the world for decades...and I've never heard of anaphylactic shock..in fact Palumbo said even if you tried to kill someone by injecting right into a vein..its nearly impossible....
I guess its just a good habit..but don't think its necessary for glute injections of less than 3cc's. Maybe its good just so you don't lose gear if its spurts out after the injection.
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I see my Doc every 3.5 months for pellets. Insurance covers it all, not even a co pay. Every one is different. I prefer the pellets, takes about 15 minutes, next 3 days I'm a little tender in that area and then its all forgotten till my next appt
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I see my Doc every 3.5 months for pellets. Insurance covers it all, not even a co pay. Every one is different. I prefer the pellets, takes about 15 minutes, next 3 days I'm a little tender in that area and then its all forgotten till my next appt
Who is your insurance provider?
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Care to share estimated cost?
me - I am all about it for sure. my natural test is great and ive been a clean good kid for 2 years now - i will be getting my blood work here soon.
I pay $100 a month.
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For me it works great!
I only do 250mg a week though.
Before that my system was fucked after hardcore gear use and i had to rely on fucking viagra. But not anymore. Problem now is not to let one girl know that two mistresses exist. :)
Thanks,glad to hear that.
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The boners are ridiculous, the good thing about going through a clinic is you are monitored and can request blood work at anytime, so you know your dht, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, free test, psa. You are not playing guessing games, so if one of those numbers is out of range the doctors can remedy that. For me when I first started my estrogen was out of range, so the doctor just increased my arimidex to 1.5 a week now everything is balanced and testosterone is optimized.
Thanks.
Does that mean strong or weak boners?
I could only use Aromasin for estrogen.... Both Letrozole and Arimidex seem to be toxic to my liver,AST ALT enzymes go up fast and high like I was using dbol.
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Thanks.
Does that mean strong or weak boners?
I could only use Aromasin for estrogen.... Both Letrozole and Arimidex seem to be toxic to my liver,AST ALT enzymes go up fast and high like I was using dbol.
Strong boners man, I'm sure you can request certain AI'S, I just use arimidex because that's what he prescribed me.
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Strong boners man, I'm sure you can request certain AI'S, I just use arimidex because that's what he prescribed me.
Thanks man.
Do you take HCG?
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Who is your insurance provider?
United Healthcare
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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
Me
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
With the depression i was hit with, i wouldnt live long enough to see any old age related issues.
As another poster mentioned, there is heaps of BS around. Just look at men who have issues.... overweight, high estrogen, high blood pressure..... but they blame test for health issues lol. Fuck me, old guys have no test so it cant be the reason.
If you are old and fat you will have health problems. Nobody is scared about being fat so why the fuck should i be worried if im lean, fit and taking 125/wk test.
And i have done subq for 3yrs, all good. i do once a week sus250. i dont use enth anymore as 125/wk i would crash on day 5 or so. on Sus i dont crash at all.
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A recent study showed a 30% higher chance of stroke, heart attack, death for older TRT users....Accept reality and live healthy/natural...
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A recent study showed a 30% higher chance of stroke, heart attack, death for older TRT users....Accept reality and live healthy/natural...
The risk of stroke and heart attack rises with age to begin with. If a person is on real trt they can do it safely by having regular blood work, exercising, healthy diet and weight control.
If they are under a Dr's care they can address bp, hematocrit, E2 etc and avoid health issues.
Now about the first BS TRT studies;
In 2014, the Journal of Urology published a study of over 1,000 men who were actively on testosterone replacement therapy for a period of seventeen years. The study found that men on TRT are more than 50 percent less likely to develop prostate cancer than the general population. The study also found that men who were treated for prostate cancer in the past can benefit from TRT, as long as their cancer is clear.
In early 2015, the Mayo Clinic Proceedings published a literature review that found there was no evidence that TRT increased the chances of a negative cardiovascular event. The review looked at several studies conducted since 1940, many of which cautioned that TRT increased the risk of heart problems. The authors of the review found many of the studies were poorly designed or used thin data to draw major conclusions. The authors cited a number of other studies, which showed that men on TRT have a lower risk of cardiovascular problems, compared to the general population.
Look at all the date before making a medical decision.
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Another link to support that from mayo clinic in this article by Crisler if anyone wants to read it. Looks to be through 2016 the studies reviewed.
http://drjohncrisler.com/the-mayo-clinic-finally-coming-around-with-respect-to-testosterone-replacement-therapy-and-heart-disease-risk.html
Dr. John Crisler's Commentary - 2/28/18
Simply, this is a sea change for the conventional medical community’s position on Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT). It is best summed up with this one line from their paper: ”some of the FDA statements regarding testosterone therapy were lacking scientific evidence.”
IF you have any doubts about not only the safety of TRT, but its dire need in those adult males suffering not only low, but low-normal testosterone levels, I’d strongly suggest reading this paper. The included chart adequately shows the story.
As FINALLY admitted in this paper (we who practice TRT medicine in the field have known it all along), TRT is not only not dangerous, it is actually good for the heart!
TRT also does not increase the risk of prostate cancer, blood clots, or heart attacks. And it is very good for men with diabetes, both Type I and Type II.
Of note, this excellent paper also mentions the use of TRT for women.
There are more hormone receptors for testosterone in the heart than any other organ. They would not be there without good reasons.
There are risks to taking TRT, but all are completely manageable—when it is administered by a physician well practiced in the art."
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When your prostate enlarges as it does in so many older men you won't be able to use HRT. It's going to be some crash.
And all the studies agree that introducing T artificially, long term will lower/stop your bodies ability to produce it's own.....Shrunken balls....
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imho, 10mg of test per day, without the ester weight is all you need when on HRT, on average. It's important to have a doc looking over hormone levels, and managing with aromasin or other estrogen inhibitors/blockers. LH 250IU 2xweek for 6 months, stop the LH, 10-20mg of tamoxifen for 5-6 weeks to re sensitize the pituitary gland, then back on hrt with LH so your balls still function...
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I pay $100 a month.
$40 a month for hg Testoviron 500mg weekly for now. Fuck MD’s!
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$40 a month for hg Testoviron 500mg weekly for now. Fuck MD’s!
It may be cheaper, but this includes, hcg, arimidex, test cyp, all needles and lab work anytime. And it's all pharmaceutical grade.
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pharma is always a way to go if you have access
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And all the studies agree that introducing T artificially, long term will lower/stop your bodies ability to produce it's own.....Shrunken balls....
Long term your body will have such low levels of T that it will effect your entire quality of life and not
just the size of your balls.
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Long term your body will have such low levels of T that it will effect your entire quality of life and not
just the size of your balls.
I'm thinking ball size is pretty far down on the list of priorities at this point in life
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I do TRT only it is pellets every 4 months. My insurance covers all of it and i can see doing this for 10 more years I am 55
Unfortunately, our testosterone numbers continue to drop as we age. You might think 65 is old, but it really isn't especially if you are on TRT. -Still going strong at nearly 74 years of age. I gave myself my once weekly shot of Test Cyp. this morning. .75 ml (150 mg) in the right butt cheek.
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I'm thinking ball size is pretty far down on the list of priorities at this point in life
;D
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Unfortunately, our testosterone numbers continue to drop as we age.
Yes, and that is regardless of use history. That is why I never understood people who cite dropping levels as a reason to not use exogenous test to begin with. The drop is age-related, and totally independent of prior use.
Both younger users and non-users will see a decline with advanced age.
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I know a ton of these guys at my gym and they all deny using TRT..Why?
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I see my Doc every 3.5 months for pellets. Insurance covers it all, not even a co pay. Every one is different. I prefer the pellets, takes about 15 minutes, next 3 days I'm a little tender in that area and then its all forgotten till my next appt
Does it leave a knot? Where do they inject it? How high does it raise your levels?
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As I have posted before, I go to a HRT clinic here in Ft Lauderdale. They are a dime a dozen. It is $149 per month. But I do not use this all year around. I only went here so I can get a legit Rx in my name. I do one four month cycle every year of 600mg test and 600mg primo and there is no sense in risking my professional licenses and career just for cosmetic purposes. The rest of the months that I do not cycle, I simply save the meds for the next one. Also since I tend to do travel photograph on the side as a hobby and paid gig, I need a legit Rx in case I am stopped in the airport or another country with this medications for the time period I am cycling. (Plus the empty bottles can be refilled with AAS when I go to India, Bali and Bangkok)
The most common way docs down here Rx their HRT program is :
200mg Test Weekly
500ius of HCG weekly
2mg Adex weekly
They start you out with this and the Test and HCG will remain the same. They will adjust your Adex intake over the first year to get it in the 15-25 range. You really don't want your estrogen too low. My biggest complaint right now is that the compounding pharmacies are now compounding the Test 200mg along with 1mg of Adex per ml. Which means on cycle, I will be taking 3mg of Adex per week which is overkill. I normally do not use Adex at all and am just fine. For the past 7 months, I have been requesting the office to change back to Test only and Adex in tablet form, but 3 of the last 7 packs have been the compound version that includes Adex.
As stated before, I don't use HRT year around and when off I measure out in the 800 range. On cycle, I tend to be over 1700 sometimes, or 1550 if I get tested 4 days after my shot. Though if I had to stay on this year around I would certainly consider pellets.
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Adex should not be compounded with test. We're all different. Some people will aromatize more, some less. Some need more estrogen to feel normal (boners, well being, etc...) and some need less.
Estrogen is an important hormone for males too.
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Does it leave a knot? Where do they inject it?
lol... tards used to half joke about actually harpooning themselves to implant tren pellets like cattle... and here we are - stupid human tricks
lol
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No thanks.
I'm 60, still train hard and look good.
No need to stick a needle in my ass and have my nuts die off for vanity's sake.
I grew up mentally and don't need to do that.
Taking HRT to cure your micro-penis problem isn't the answer. Your self-image will still be inadequate.
Maybe you should see a psychologist about your self-image issues?
Test levels only drop 1% a year on average.
Unless you have some serious natural test problem, which hardly anyone does, you don't need TRT.
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lol
I got to 45 seconds of that video and had to stop watching it
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Adex should not be compounded with test. We're all different. Some people will aromatize more, some less. Some need more estrogen to feel normal (boners, well being, etc...) and some need less.
Estrogen is an important hormone for males too.
Agree. That's a horrible idea/way to do it.
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No thanks.
I'm 60, still train hard and look good.
No need to stick a needle in my ass and have my nuts die off for vanity's sake.
I grew up mentally and don't need to do that.
Taking HRT to cure your micro-penis problem isn't the answer. Your self-image will still be inadequate.
Maybe you should see a psychologist about your self-image issues?
Test levels only drop 1% a year on average.
Unless you have some serious natural test problem, which hardly anyone does, you don't need TRT.
Sounds like you're the one in this thread with issues judging by the tone of this post.
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As I have posted before, I go to a HRT clinic here in Ft Lauderdale. They are a dime a dozen. It is $149 per month. But I do not use this all year around. I only went here so I can get a legit Rx in my name. I do one four month cycle every year of 600mg test and 600mg primo and there is no sense in risking my professional licenses and career just for cosmetic purposes. The rest of the months that I do not cycle, I simply save the meds for the next one. Also since I tend to do travel photograph on the side as a hobby and paid gig, I need a legit Rx in case I am stopped in the airport or another country with this medications for the time period I am cycling. (Plus the empty bottles can be refilled with AAS when I go to India, Bali and Bangkok)
The most common way docs down here Rx their HRT program is :
200mg Test Weekly
500ius of HCG weekly
2mg Adex weekly
They start you out with this and the Test and HCG will remain the same. They will adjust your Adex intake over the first year to get it in the 15-25 range. You really don't want your estrogen too low. My biggest complaint right now is that the compounding pharmacies are now compounding the Test 200mg along with 1mg of Adex per ml. Which means on cycle, I will be taking 3mg of Adex per week which is overkill. I normally do not use Adex at all and am just fine. For the past 7 months, I have been requesting the office to change back to Test only and Adex in tablet form, but 3 of the last 7 packs have been the compound version that includes Adex.
As stated before, I don't use HRT year around and when off I measure out in the 800 range. On cycle, I tend to be over 1700 sometimes, or 1550 if I get tested 4 days after my shot. Though if I had to stay on this year around I would certainly consider pellets.
So you can't request a different pharmacy? With my doc I can request any pharmacy in the US? And if I wanted a different AI I can request that as well, like if I want Nolvadex instead of Arimidex.
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Adex should not be compounded with test. We're all different. Some people will aromatize more, some less. Some need more estrogen to feel normal (boners, well being, etc...) and some need less.
Estrogen is an important hormone for males too.
This. What a ridiculous concept. There’s nothing more individualized than TRT yet there are so many clinics and in this case compounding pharmacies taking the cookie cutter approach. It’s insane.
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Sounds like you're the one in this thread with issues judging by the tone of this post.
No, someone who is over 30 and sticks a needle in their ass every week so they can look good in a mirror has a self-image problem.
You'd think most people in their 30s and up would grow out of this but some never do.
No matter how much test you take your penis size and height won't increase and you personality will still suck.
Tough luck.
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I know a ton of these guys at my gym and they all deny using TRT..Why?
Just curious...how do you know they are on TRT if they don't admit to it?
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No, someone who is over 30 and sticks a needle in their ass every week so they can look good in a mirror has a self-image problem.
You'd think most people in their 30s and up would grow out of this but some never do.
No matter how much test you take your penis size and height won't increase and you personality will still suck.
Tough luck.
The concept of TRT escapes you....
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No, someone who is over 30 and sticks a needle in their ass every week so they can look good in a mirror has a self-image problem.
You'd think most people in their 30s and up would grow out of this but some never do.
No matter how much test you take your penis size and height won't increase and you personality will still suck.
Tough luck.
The reason I got on trt was to improve the quality of my life and optimize my energy levels, recovery, and general well being. It has zero to do with muscle size (at least for me it doesn't), if I tried it and felt no benefits from it I would stop immediately and just go about my life. But I've seen a significant improvement in my quality of life so I will continue on this path, doing it all under a doctor's supervision.
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As I have posted before, I go to a HRT clinic here in Ft Lauderdale. They are a dime a dozen. It is $149 per month. But I do not use this all year around. I only went here so I can get a legit Rx in my name. I do one four month cycle every year of 600mg test and 600mg primo and there is no sense in risking my professional licenses and career just for cosmetic purposes. The rest of the months that I do not cycle, I simply save the meds for the next one. Also since I tend to do travel photograph on the side as a hobby and paid gig, I need a legit Rx in case I am stopped in the airport or another country with this medications for the time period I am cycling. (Plus the empty bottles can be refilled with AAS when I go to India, Bali and Bangkok)
The most common way docs down here Rx their HRT program is :
200mg Test Weekly
500ius of HCG weekly
2mg Adex weekly
They start you out with this and the Test and HCG will remain the same. They will adjust your Adex intake over the first year to get it in the 15-25 range. You really don't want your estrogen too low. My biggest complaint right now is that the compounding pharmacies are now compounding the Test 200mg along with 1mg of Adex per ml. Which means on cycle, I will be taking 3mg of Adex per week which is overkill. I normally do not use Adex at all and am just fine. For the past 7 months, I have been requesting the office to change back to Test only and Adex in tablet form, but 3 of the last 7 packs have been the compound version that includes Adex.
As stated before, I don't use HRT year around and when off I measure out in the 800 range. On cycle, I tend to be over 1700 sometimes, or 1550 if I get tested 4 days after my shot. Though if I had to stay on this year around I would certainly consider pellets.
The dosages you mention are very similar to mine, which are:
Mondays = 150 mg of test
Wednesdays = 1 mg Adex
Saturday and Sunday = 250 IU HCG each day.
I don't cycle on and off. My doctor prescribes the Testosterone Cypionate. The other two meds I get on my own via mail order. About a year ago the doctor lowered my test dosage to 150 mg from 200 mg because my hematocrit was elevated. I can also drink more fluids and give blood occasionally to bring it down.
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I got to 45 seconds of that video and had to stop watching it
its pretty brutal... cows have it better, actually.
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No thanks.
I'm 60, still train hard and look good.
No need to stick a needle in my ass and have my nuts die off for vanity's sake.
I grew up mentally and don't need to do that.
Taking HRT to cure your micro-penis problem isn't the answer. Your self-image will still be inadequate.
Maybe you should see a psychologist about your self-image issues?
Test levels only drop 1% a year on average.
Unless you have some serious natural test problem, which hardly anyone does, you don't need TRT.
- Good for you. Apparently your routine is working.
- TRT will not make your penis grow unless you are in puberty.
- HGC helps maintain natural testosterone production, which keeps your balls in good shape.
- If the only reason someone is on TRT is to improve their self-image...therapy won't fix their low self esteem/image.
- There is nothing juvenile about being on TRT particularly when you follow your doctor's advice/prescription.
- At 1% per year a person would go from a high of 800 down to 400 in 50 years. Other factors, such as hypogonadism that contribute to low testosterone levels. A very conservative view suggests the normal range of testosterone levels in healthy adult males is between 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). Low testosterone is defined as 300ng/dL.
- 1 in 4 men have low testosterone.
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- 1 in 4 men have low testosterone.
trt will not save your disgusting old ass... also - there will b no trt in hell, might as well up the dose now and flame out like a champ.
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trt will not save your disgusting old ass... also - there will b no trt in hell, might as well up the dose now and flame out like a champ.
Looks like you know all about what goes on in hell. ::)
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Looks like you know all about what goes on in hell. ::)
I know that heat generally destroys pharmaceuticals at some point lol
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I know that heat generally destroys pharmaceuticals at some point lol
On this, you are probably right.
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i feel good and my blood levels are solid 34 years old now
future? hell yes I will be on it
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If you need it due to truly low natural test levels, then by all means take it.
Most who take it here don't have that problem.
They are on it for cosmetic reasons and vanity.
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I agree, you don't want too much vanity, but cosmetic reasons...why not?
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I agree, you don't want too much vanity, but cosmetic reasons...why not?
You are messing with your natural hormones. Your own testes will permanently stop producing natural test and you will be committed to taking TRT for the rest of your life.
What makes you a man.
If you truly have a test problem, then the risk makes sense. If you don't then you are taking an unnecessary risk.
The doctors and pharmacists who unethically prescribe this to you don't care, they just want your money liker the gym pusher.
Anyway, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I am becoming annoying.
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Adex should not be compounded with test. We're all different. Some people will aromatize more, some less. Some need more estrogen to feel normal (boners, well being, etc...) and some need less.
Estrogen is an important hormone for males too.
Exactly. Which is why I do not care for the adex added to the test. I have been reminding them every month not to send me the compounded mix.
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So you can't request a different pharmacy? With my doc I can request any pharmacy in the US? And if I wanted a different AI I can request that as well, like if I want Nolvadex instead of Arimidex.
No because keep in mind these are clinics designed to circumnavigate the need for a primary care physician handling all this. Which is why they skip the trial phase of Androgel that so many old docs prefer to go with first. They use one pharmacy (APS Pharmacy) that compounds, packs and ships the boxes to the customer. It's not like the doc gives you a Rx to run to Walgreens with.
The company actually has a doctors office and patient center set up in the lobby of a LA Fitness here in S. FL. One of the LA Fitness gyms that is popular with serious bodybuilders and where even the desk staff is enhanced. So you can expect services to be legitimate but sort of tongue in cheek.
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The dosages you mention are very similar to mine, which are:
Mondays = 150 mg of test
Wednesdays = 1 mg Adex
Saturday and Sunday = 250 IU HCG each day.
I don't cycle on and off. My doctor prescribes the Testosterone Cypionate. The other two meds I get on my own via mail order. About a year ago the doctor lowered my test dosage to 150 mg from 200 mg because my hematocrit was elevated. I can also drink more fluids and give blood occasionally to bring it down.
When I went for the examination, I deliberately went 4 weeks post cycle when my test measured low. I had a blood test done with PrivateMd online corp and my test was low (to be expected) post cycle. I went and fell into the range necessary for their acceptance.
As I said, I only do one cycle per year. The rest of the time I am clean and still measure in the 800-900 range. When I do my blood tests for the doc while clean it appears that I am responding nicely to the program. When I followed their program in the beginning (without using the HCG or adex they sent me) I would test out at 1550-1700 after the injection (which was never a full cc because I didn't want it to be too high) However when I do go on cycle, with 600mg test weekly, you can imagine that my test levels are a hell of a lot more than 800-900 naturally and 1550-1700 program levels. So I avoid tests during this time. Which is not hard to do as they are aware I travel through Europe and Asia often each year and do 4-6 cruises per year. So after 5 years of being a patient they know my schedule has me away a lot.
Yeah, I am cheating the system is one way to look at it. But I am not the only one. I am just doing it to have a legit reason for having AAS in my home and on my person when I travel with no risk of catching a felony from it.
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Well, from 05-'11, maybe '12, I was on either 200mg every 2 wks or 300mg every 3 weeks (doc's stupid idea that lasted about 3 shots before he saw it was a stupid idea)... Maintained 220-230 (in prison no less, 06-11). Felt great. Test was 750-1200, sometimes 1400 (2days post injection).
Then from 2012- till march ofn2017 my test levels were between 9,500-26,000.. Then was OFF everything till I got out of the hospital after hip surgery in September and did two or three shots of test, then nothing till a 700mg shot last night and in the time I drolled (crashed) down to a test level of <70ng... And was probably at that 70ng since oct/Nov.... And felt absolute shit.
Always knew since I was 15 that I was gonna be on test for the rest of my life, but fuck, after years and years of 6-12 injections per week, and being sore everyday, shit got old and you start to feed doing a shot(esp tren ace,& the cough.. Doubled over on your knees with your face on the floor, coughing your lungs out, gasping for air, pouring sweat & thinking about crawling out to the street somebody can call 911 cuz you think you're fucken dying...3-4x a week, every week... LoL).... So id just put off doing the shots for a day, then 2 days.. Then. Week..then 2.. Etc... Shit gets old after a while lol
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Well, from 05-'11, maybe '12, I was on either 200mg every 2 wks or 300mg every 3 weeks (doc's stupid idea that lasted about 3 shots before he saw it was a stupid idea)... Maintained 220-230 (in prison no less, 06-11). Felt great. Test was 750-1200, sometimes 1400 (2days post injection).
Then from 2012- till march ofn2017 my test levels were between 9,500-26,000.. Then was OFF everything till I got out of the hospital after hip surgery in September and did two or three shots of test, then nothing till a 700mg shot last night and in the time I drolled (crashed) down to a test level of <70ng... And was probably at that 70ng since oct/Nov.... And felt absolute shit.
Always knew since I was 15 that I was gonna be on test for the rest of my life, but fuck, after years and years of 6-12 injections per week, and being sore everyday, shit got old and you start to feed doing a shot(esp tren ace,& the cough.. Doubled over on your knees with your face on the floor, coughing your lungs out, gasping for air, pouring sweat & thinking about crawling out to the street somebody can call 911 cuz you think you're fucken dying...3-4x a week, every week... LoL).... So id just put off doing the shots for a day, then 2 days.. Then. Week..then 2.. Etc... Shit gets old after a while lol
My doctor started me on Androgel, which made my nipples more sensitive then they already are. I took this as a sign to move on to injections...didn't want bitch tits. Like with you, at first the doc was injecting 300 mg every three weeks. This was roller coaster hell for me. I suggested weekly self injections, which continues to be the best choice.
Why would you know at 15 you'd be on test the rest of your life? My first experience with test and Dianabol was at 18 when my doctor suggested it because I was so thin and because I had hypogonadism. Back in those ancient times, D-bol was legal and available with a doctor's prescription. He'd give me the once weekly injection of test. When I added enough pounds to be at a healthy weight, I stopped this routine. At around 30, I was into beefing up and did a three month cycle of D-bol, managing to get up to 225 lbs. Today, I feel great at 175 lbs. It's easy to maintain and healthier for me than 190 and above.
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My doctor started me on Androgel, which made my nipples more sensitive then they already are. I took this as a sign to move on to injections...didn't want bitch tits. Like with you, at first the doc was injecting 300 mg every three weeks. This was roller coaster hell for me. I suggested weekly self injections, which continues to be the best choice.
Why would you know at 15 you'd be on test the rest of your life? My first experience with test and Dianabol was at 18 when my doctor suggested it because I was so thin and because I had hypogonadism. Back in those ancient times, D-bol was legal and available with a doctor's prescription. He'd give me the once weekly injection of test. When I added enough pounds to be at a healthy weight, I stopped this routine. At around 30, I was into beefing up and did a three month cycle of D-bol, managing to get up to 225 lbs. Today, I feel great at 175 lbs. It's easy to maintain and healthier for me than 190 and above.
Because I grew up studying anabolic from age 14. Was picking industry chemist brains early on & had no illusions that my test would come back after I stopped.
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Because I grew up studying anabolic from age 14. Was picking industry chemist brains early on & had no illusions that my test would come back after I stopped.
So, when did you first start training? It's interesting that you studied anabolic steroids at such a young age. Did you find out about them on your own or did someone mentor you?
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So, when did you first start training? It's interesting that you studied anabolic steroids at such a young age. Did you find out about them on your own or did someone mentor you?
Stop dude
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Just saw my Dr. The health insurance co I have required all patients to get no more than 5 pellets as they changed pellet companies/brand and wanted a baseline for everyone. I was getting 11 pellets and my Test was between 950 and 1100 for 2 years. the last 4 months I could tell a significant difference in mood and sex drive. Had my test tested and a week before my latest procedure it was just below 400/ I could tell. My insurance company would take two weeks to process the results so my doctor I have been seeing for 2 years donated 5 pellets to get me to 10. Next time I see him it will be back to 11. But the point is, there is a huge difference in test and how I feel at 55.
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Stop dude
-Was not talking to you.
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You are messing with your natural hormones. Your own testes will permanently stop producing natural test and you will be committed to taking TRT for the rest of your life.
What makes you a man.
If you truly have a test problem, then the risk makes sense. If you don't then you are taking an unnecessary risk.
The doctors and pharmacists who unethically prescribe this to you don't care, they just want your money liker the gym pusher.
Anyway, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I am becoming annoying.
WRONG
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WRONG
So, I should keep posting?
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So, I should keep posting?
Yes
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-Was not talking to you.
No you were not "talking" to anyone. You were encouraging the board tale spinner to launch off on other asinine claims and stories.
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No you were not "talking" to anyone. You were encouraging the board tale spinner to launch off on other asinine claims and stories.
ESfitness is someone. I was responding to his post. If it encourages him to spin tales, make claims or tell stories, that's fine with me. :)
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No you were not "talking" to anyone. You were encouraging the board tale spinner to launch off on other asinine claims and stories.
Asinine claims and stories about what, exactly? When I startes training? You sound like a cryin little butthurt sissy.
So, when did you first start training? It's interesting that you studied anabolic steroids at such a young age. Did you find out about them on your own or did someone mentor you?
Saw bodybuilding on tv for the first time when I was 4 and wanted to be what I saw on tv. Years went by and learned you got like that by lifting weights. Wasn't allowed to workout till I was 14 so made sure I hit the ground running my 14th birthday. Quickly learned not only do you need to "work out"" but steroids are required as well, so read everything I could. Then with the internet I had access to guys like Will Brink, Pat Arnold, Dan Duchaine, & a hand full of others. The idea of a steroid mentor is ridiculous. I have a memory that records everything I read/see/hear like a video tape. I found out what was available in Mexico and for how much so I went down and smuggled to the s*** across when I was 16 over the course of a few weekends and started my first cycle on my 17th birthday. Found out insulin was OTC so I picked up a bottle and ask around however back then either nobody knew how to use it or if they did babe weren't going to tell some 17 year old kid(Duchaine Had already passed. Only met him twice) so came right out and asked Nasser one day after telling him what I was doing at the time and that I had already purchased the bottle of insulin and I couldn't find any dosing guidelines anywhere and was going to try it no matter what and got a basic rundown. Did the same with milos without mentioning I'd already spoken with nasser and said nearly identical "advice". That was that.
Anything I learned *I* learned. I wasn't "taught" or repeating what anybody told me to. I'd read something then form a hypothesis, and I would try it out, usually on myself (also coached teammates. Wrestling mostly, also baseball and football), compare results, compared notes and learn from there. Nobody "mentored" me. I had questions not many people had the answers to so I had to figure a lot out on my own. This was back when very few people or even going over 1000mg testosterone per week, much less 2 or 4o
Or even 5k and most, not just many but nearly everybody believed you would die from even though most miniscule miscalculations mismeasurements when it came to insulin and hardly anybody spoke from first-hand experience. Most, even still today, especially here, just repeat shit they "heard" about other people doing.
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What was the basic rundown?
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Asinine claims and stories about what, exactly? When I startes training? sound like a cryin little butthurt sissy.
Saw bodybuilding on tv for the first time when I was 4 and wanted to be what I saw on tv. Years went by and learned you got like that by lifting weights. Wasn't allowed to workout till I was 14 so made sure I hit the ground running my 14th birthday. Quickly learned not only do you need to "work out"" but steroids are required as well, so read everything I could. Then with the internet I had access to guys like Will Brink, Pat Arnold, Dan Duchaine, & a hand full of others. The idea of a steroid mentor is ridiculous. I have a memory that records everything I read/see/hear like a video tape. I found out what was available in Mexico and for how much so I went down and smuggled to the s*** across when I was 16 over the course of a few weekends and started my first cycle on my 17th birthday. Found out insulin was OTC so I picked up a bottle and ask around however back then either nobody knew how to use it or if they did babe weren't going to tell some 17 year old kid(Duchaine. Had already passed. Only met him twice) so came right out and asked Nasser one day after telling him what I was doing at the time and that I had already purchased the bottle of insulin and I couldn't find any dosing guidelines anywhere and was going to try it no matter what and got a basic rundown. Did the same with milos without mentioning I'd already spoken with nasser and said nearly identical "advice". That was that.
Half of anything you post is over exaggerated blatant bullshit.
Despite being schooled by experts since you were 14 you still gave yourself abscesses from your dirty gear. Doesn't sound like you learned too much.
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What was the basic rundown?
Start with low.doses 2-3iu post workout and 20g (juice) per iu
Drink half right after and sip the rest and go from there. For example a 5iu shot post workout with 100g carbs (grape juice at the time.. I mixed it with PhosphagenHP or Cell Tech). Don't recall being told to avoid fats or any mention of protein or aminos. Just.basic shit so i wouldnt go into hypo or die.
I got used to how insulin worked and will hypoglycemia felt like and built up to using a big dose(15-18iu) first thing in the morning and a big toast post workout along with a smaller dose(5-8iu) during the day and a medium dose (10-14iu) before bed.
Morning and post workout was usually 1.5-2boxes of mac & cheese w/1/4-1/2gal milk or a box of Hamburger Helper with 1.5 to 2 pounds of ground beef. Medium dose was with 1-2 10pc chicken tenders from.burger king & a vanilla shake. Before bed was 4-8 Eggos with butter, covered with cinnamon and sugar and maple syrup with I'm about a quarter gallon of milk.
Usually waited 40-45mins post injection to eat because I'd be in moderate hypoglycemia and hungry as fuck.
Overtime realized I was taking in way too much fat and not enough protein. Would've been better off keeping it simple and drinking my meals to keep carbohydrates at about 5 grams per unit and taking in Whey concentrate and aminos throughout the day.
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Half of anything you post is over exaggerated blatant bullshit.
Despite being schooled by experts since you were 14 you still gave yourself abscesses from your dirty gear. Doesn't sound like you learned too much.
Your stick is a little old. It's been over 20 years now and you little cry babies have yet to point out what I said or say isn't true. And far as the "dirty gear", I've been in business for a long long time and have yet to have ANY customers with infections. If my gear was dirty I wouldn't have the same guys coming back month after month, year after year and bringing along with them new customers.
Considering the thousands of injections I've add over the past 20 + years I've had infections from 2 anabolics. Testoprim-D in 2001,& Sciroxx Deca in 2017. Any infections from B12 earlier this year... A WATER BASED injectable from Cancun 3yrs ago.
You people embarrass yourselves with your little arguments and claim
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Interesting stuff es
Thanks for sharing bro
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Asinine claims and stories about what, exactly? When I startes training? You sound like a cryin little butthurt sissy.
Saw bodybuilding on tv for the first time when I was 4 and wanted to be what I saw on tv. Years went by and learned you got like that by lifting weights. Wasn't allowed to workout till I was 14 so made sure I hit the ground running my 14th birthday. Quickly learned not only do you need to "work out"" but steroids are required as well, so read everything I could. Then with the internet I had access to guys like Will Brink, Pat Arnold, Dan Duchaine, & a hand full of others. The idea of a steroid mentor is ridiculous. I have a memory that records everything I read/see/hear like a video tape. I found out what was available in Mexico and for how much so I went down and smuggled to the s*** across when I was 16 over the course of a few weekends and started my first cycle on my 17th birthday. Found out insulin was OTC so I picked up a bottle and ask around however back then either nobody knew how to use it or if they did babe weren't going to tell some 17 year old kid(Duchaine Had already passed. Only met him twice) so came right out and asked Nasser one day after telling him what I was doing at the time and that I had already purchased the bottle of insulin and I couldn't find any dosing guidelines anywhere and was going to try it no matter what and got a basic rundown. Did the same with milos without mentioning I'd already spoken with nasser and said nearly identical "advice". That was that.
Anything I learned *I* learned. I wasn't "taught" or repeating what anybody told me to. I'd read something then form a hypothesis, and I would try it out, usually on myself (also coached teammates. Wrestling mostly, also baseball and football), compare results, compared notes and learn from there. Nobody "mentored" me. I had questions not many people had the answers to so I had to figure a lot out on my own. This was back when very few people or even going over 1000mg testosterone per week, much less 2 or 4o
Or even 5k and most, not just many but nearly everybody believed you would die from even though most miniscule miscalculations mismeasurements when it came to insulin and hardly anybody spoke from first-hand experience. Most, even still today, especially here, just repeat shit they "heard" about other people doing.
You were a confident, aggressive and inventive teenager. I suspect that hasn't changed much. I also think you've been fairly lucky.
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I am this close to starting HRT. I have contacted a supplier with a decent (if overpriced) supply system. I am about to request a test, and I think it will be low/normal. It will probably be low enough to qualify for this testosterone mill. But who wants to pin themselves every week for the rest of their late adult years? I know it will be a big mental health boost, but at what cost? Plus the whole hemocrit dilemma.
If its the frequent pinning that is bothering you then you can request the Testosterone Unecanoate ester (brand name Nebido) which has a half life of 3 months.
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and most, not just many but nearly everybody believed you would die from even though most miniscule miscalculations mismeasurements when it came to insulin and hardly anybody spoke from first-hand experience. Most, even still today, especially here, just repeat shit they "heard" about other people doing.
People still think it's easy to die from it. It's not easy at all. It should be respected though as it can catch you off-guard every now and then.
I've purposely induced hypoglycemia with it for various reasons. I've taken 25iu Humalog and 30iu Lantus and sat for about an hour waiting for the crash. Last time I got so weak I could hardly stand up to pick out my food from the fridge 5 feet away Lol.
I would like to sample these
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiUvWPlHsfX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=809livwkm6qa
Tresiba and Fiasp
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to find tresiba and fiasp you need to find a type I friend.
anybody here know about SGLT1 carrier for glucose (intestine-> blood)
According to science (in normal ppl), this carrier prevents (because its limited in number) uptake of more than 60gr/carbs per hour
There is no litterature on any possible upregulation of sglt-carriers....
just another tidbit in the equation..
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ESfitness is someone. I was responding to his post. If it encourages him to spin tales, make claims or tell stories, that's fine with me. :)
Count me as a fan of ESF. He livens up this place and has a lot of experiences to share even if embellished. Don't get why some get so bent out of shape and take it all so seriously. He doesn't attack anyone unless someone starts up with him.
He's made it abundantly clear that he does not take kindly to disrespect.
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People still think it's easy to die from it. It's not easy at all. It should be respected though as it can catch you off-guard every now and then.
I've purposely induced hypoglycemia with it for various reasons. I've taken 25iu Humalog and 30iu Lantus and sat for about an hour waiting for the crash. Last time I got so weak I could hardly stand up to pick out my food from the fridge 5 feet away Lol.
I would like to sample these
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiUvWPlHsfX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=809livwkm6qa
Tresiba and Fiasp
My friend tried to commit suicide and wanted to do it as gently, painlessly and "cleanly" as possible. He fasted for one day because he wanted to be sure his bowels were empty and took a thorough shower on the night of his planned death. He made sure he had clean bed sheets and that his a/c was on max power. It gets hot in Hawaii and he wanted to minimize the stink if it should take a some days before his body is discovered. He picked a day where he was 3 days late on the rent. He's always on time and hoped that by being late his landlord would come looking for him.
So his death protocol began with taking about ten sleeping pills. Not so much to poison himself but so that he would not have any issues going to sleep. He felt that worrying might keep him up. He then injected a vial of Humulin R. 3ml in each glute and 2ml in each delt. Worried that he might be discovered before complete death and would have to live with brain damage he also wrapped a plastic bag over his head and use some elastic around his neck for a tight fit. His plan was to suffocate to death after he passed out "just to be sure". He didn't put on the plastic bag immediately but waited until he started to go hypo. He wanted to be unconscious before he started suffocating. I can understand that.
Anyway, his timing was off and was still conscious and the feeling of suffocating was just too much. He ripped off the plastic bag gasping for air and just said "screw it". The suffocating part just spoiled everything. The plan was to drift blissfully into unconsciousness and then suffocate to death. No worrying about lingering and just going into a coma if the insulin wasn't enough.
Anyway, still functional even though he was going through the profuse sweating phase, he rushed to the kitchen and dumped scoops of sugar into a half drunk carton of apple juice and downed it. He then opened his pantry and took out a box of Captain Crunch but then put this back and got the Frosted Flakes instead. He pour a generous portion of sugar on the cereal and mixed it with chocolate milk. Always prefered chocolate milk from a carton for his cereal. He said he started to feel a lot better pretty
quick. He then started munching M&Ms watching TV. He then remember something and took his M&Ms along with more juice with about a cup of sugar mixed in and got in his car. He drove back to the closed Pizza Hut that he had a part time job with (he worked security full time) and went in back to the trash area where he dumped all his gear stashed in a garbage bag. Got to have your gear if you're going to live.
When he got home, he just went to sleep and is still alive but not quite well. He still thinks about offing himself but just can't think of a good way to do it. Doesn't want to leave a mess that guns or jumping out of a building would leave and doesn't know enough about the proper drugs and combos to use. Also, as he frankly told me, "It's not as easy as you think to just kill yourself. It goes against your nature and is a big step to take." That comment kind of cracked me up.
Anyway, what is a vial of Humulin R? A thousand units? That didn't do it and he said the hypo wasn't anything worse than he's experienced before. You get a lot of warning signs before you pass out. I'm sure if he didn't do the plastic bag over the head and just take the vial, especially after a 24+ hour fast when he would been a bit depleted would have done the trick. He would have just fell asleep and I figure he would have at least a good full day, but most likely more, before anyone came looking for him. But I'm really not sure how long you can go before actually dying. I mean, being in a coma isn't death and your body does things to keep you alive. I'm not sure how much glucose is stored in your body (liver, muscles...) before it shuts down completely.
If anybody decides to try this then LMK how it goes.
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People still think it's easy to die from it. It's not easy at all. It should be respected though as it can catch you off-guard every now and then.
I've purposely induced hypoglycemia with it for various reasons. I've taken 25iu Humalog and 30iu Lantus and sat for about an hour waiting for the crash. Last time I got so weak I could hardly stand up to pick out my food from the fridge 5 feet away Lol.
I would like to sample these
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiUvWPlHsfX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=809livwkm6qa
Tresiba and Fiasp
I used to do my ahots and wait till I was in hypo just so incould eat more lol. Only been one time where I really, really fucked up,& even then it wasn't "too bad". Did my 15iu humulin R in the gymnparkingnlot b4 heading home. Got home and.. I forget the time frame, but long story short, didn't feel it kicking in after that 15iu, plus another 5-7iu (both IM) at about the 55min mark, so did 5iu IV while mac n cheese was cooking, still nothing, so 5iu IV more, while online trying to type (posting on Anabolex),& couldn't figure out why my hands and fingers were twitching and accidentally clicking the mouse when my ex asks wtf I'm doing? And says my mac n cheese is burnt.. Like black, burned to a crisp inn the bottom of the pot... And I'm pouring sweat, & shaking,& confused a lol..& realize "oh fuck.. I'm in bad bad hypo & in have no food cooked now"& quick put 4 slices of bread inn the toaster and guzzle a can of coke (whixh was the best tasting coke is ever had lol) .. Quick made some.cinnamon toast w/lots of sugar and by the time I'd eaten it all and pounded a couple 12oz glasses of milk, I was back to normal (after way less than the 10g/iu usually recomended)... And then there's numbskull Scott Markey who loaded up 2 insulin syringes. 1 with 10iu Nubian, and 1 with 100iu Humulin-R. He shoots the one cc insulin IV thinking it was nubain. And he wouldn't have even caught his mistake if he had not shot the 10 IU nubain IM afterwards (thinking it was insulin) and noticed it.stung (insulin doesn't sting IM, Nubian.does).... He tells me he's this story the next morning when I and picking him up and taking him to work. Says when he woke up to an empty 2L coke bottle and a 1/2eaten and melted container of ice cream (& maybe an empty or half empty gal of milk.. I forget after 17yrs).... But he woke up nonetheless.
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My friend tried to commit suicide and wanted to do it as gently, painlessly and "cleanly" as possible. He fasted for one day because he wanted to be sure his bowels were empty and took a thorough shower on the night of his planned death. He made sure he had clean bed sheets and that his a/c was on max power. It gets hot in Hawaii and he wanted to minimize the stink if it should take a some days before his body is discovered. He picked a day where he was 3 days late on the rent. He's always on time and hoped that by being late his landlord would come looking for him.
So his death protocol began with taking about ten sleeping pills. Not so much to poison himself but so that he would not have any issues going to sleep. He felt that worrying might keep him up. He then injected a vial of Humulin R. 3ml in each glute and 2ml in each delt. Worried that he might be discovered before complete death and would have to live with brain damage he also wrapped a plastic bag over his head and use some elastic around his neck for a tight fit. His plan was to suffocate to death after he passed out "just to be sure". He didn't put on the plastic bag immediately but waited until he started to go hypo. He wanted to be unconscious before he started suffocating. I can understand that.
Anyway, his timing was off and was still conscious and the feeling of suffocating was just too much. He ripped off the plastic bag gasping for air and just said "screw it". The suffocating part just spoiled everything. The plan was to drift blissfully into unconsciousness and then suffocate to death. No worrying about lingering and just going into a coma if the insulin wasn't enough.
Anyway, still functional even though he was going through the profuse sweating phase, he rushed to the kitchen and dumped scoops of sugar into a half drunk carton of apple juice and downed it. He then opened his pantry and took out a box of Captain Crunch but then put this back and got the Frosted Flakes instead. He pour a generous portion of sugar on the cereal and mixed it with chocolate milk. Always prefered chocolate milk from a carton for his cereal. He said he started to feel a lot better pretty
quick. He then started munching M&Ms watching TV. He then remember something and took his M&Ms along with more juice with about a cup of sugar mixed in and got in his car. He drove back to the closed Pizza Hut that he had a part time job with (he worked security full time) and went in back to the trash area where he dumped all his gear stashed in a garbage bag. Got to have your gear if you're going to live.
When he got home, he just went to sleep and is still alive but not quite well. He still thinks about offing himself but just can't think of a good way to do it. Doesn't want to leave a mess that guns or jumping out of a building would leave and doesn't know enough about the proper drugs and combos to use. Also, as he frankly told me, "It's not as easy as you think to just kill yourself. It goes against your nature and is a big step to take." That comment kind of cracked me up.
Anyway, what is a vial of Humulin R? A thousand units? That didn't do it and he said the hypo wasn't anything worse than he's experienced before. You get a lot of warning signs before you pass out. I'm sure if he didn't do the plastic bag over the head and just take the vial, especially after a 24+ hour fast when he would been a bit depleted would have done the trick. He would have just fell asleep and I figure he would have at least a good full day, but most likely more, before anyone came looking for him. But I'm really not sure how long you can go before actually dying. I mean, being in a coma isn't death and your body does things to keep you alive. I'm not sure how much glucose is stored in your body (liver, muscles...) before it shuts down completely.
If anybody decides to try this then LMK how it goes.
Next time drive 100mph into a bridge abutment with no seatbelt.
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Either that or take a bottle of oral potassium supplements along with a heavy dose of sleeping pills. If it's good enough for the US Justice System it's good enough for anyone
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People still think it's easy to die from it. It's not easy at all. It should be respected though as it can catch you off-guard every now and then.
I've purposely induced hypoglycemia with it for various reasons. I've taken 25iu Humalog and 30iu Lantus and sat for about an hour waiting for the crash. Last time I got so weak I could hardly stand up to pick out my food from the fridge 5 feet away Lol.
I would like to sample these
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiUvWPlHsfX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=809livwkm6qa
Tresiba and Fiasp
On the one hand you say it's hard to overdo it or die from it, on the other hand you admit that you almost weren't able to eat your food to correct your hypoglycemia. Insulin is maybe less dangerous than people say but it's still the only bbing drug that is really able to kill the user if not dosed properly.
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Who wants to pin themselves with HRT for the next 20 years?
That is the question no Pro Bodybuilder wants to answer ...... or non Pro Palumbo .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Either that or take a bottle of oral potassium supplements along with a heavy dose of sleeping pills. If it's good enough for the US Justice System it's good enough for anyone
How does that work? I'm thinking something to do with the heart. That sounds clean and easy.
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How does that work? I'm thinking something to do with the heart. That sounds clean and easy.
Actually a potassium e buy over the counter at GNC or wherever won't really do s***. Body won't absorb it
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just slit your jugular like a man... if ur worried about the mess then u r not ready to die.
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My friend tried to commit suicide and wanted to do it as gently, painlessly and "cleanly" as possible. He fasted for one day because he wanted to be sure his bowels were empty and took a thorough shower on the night of his planned death. He made sure he had clean bed sheets and that his a/c was on max power. It gets hot in Hawaii and he wanted to minimize the stink if it should take a some days before his body is discovered. He picked a day where he was 3 days late on the rent. He's always on time and hoped that by being late his landlord would come looking for him.
So his death protocol began with taking about ten sleeping pills. Not so much to poison himself but so that he would not have any issues going to sleep. He felt that worrying might keep him up. He then injected a vial of Humulin R. 3ml in each glute and 2ml in each delt. Worried that he might be discovered before complete death and would have to live with brain damage he also wrapped a plastic bag over his head and use some elastic around his neck for a tight fit. His plan was to suffocate to death after he passed out "just to be sure". He didn't put on the plastic bag immediately but waited until he started to go hypo. He wanted to be unconscious before he started suffocating. I can understand that.
Anyway, his timing was off and was still conscious and the feeling of suffocating was just too much. He ripped off the plastic bag gasping for air and just said "screw it". The suffocating part just spoiled everything. The plan was to drift blissfully into unconsciousness and then suffocate to death. No worrying about lingering and just going into a coma if the insulin wasn't enough.
Anyway, still functional even though he was going through the profuse sweating phase, he rushed to the kitchen and dumped scoops of sugar into a half drunk carton of apple juice and downed it. He then opened his pantry and took out a box of Captain Crunch but then put this back and got the Frosted Flakes instead. He pour a generous portion of sugar on the cereal and mixed it with chocolate milk. Always prefered chocolate milk from a carton for his cereal. He said he started to feel a lot better pretty
quick. He then started munching M&Ms watching TV. He then remember something and took his M&Ms along with more juice with about a cup of sugar mixed in and got in his car. He drove back to the closed Pizza Hut that he had a part time job with (he worked security full time) and went in back to the trash area where he dumped all his gear stashed in a garbage bag. Got to have your gear if you're going to live.
When he got home, he just went to sleep and is still alive but not quite well. He still thinks about offing himself but just can't think of a good way to do it. Doesn't want to leave a mess that guns or jumping out of a building would leave and doesn't know enough about the proper drugs and combos to use. Also, as he frankly told me, "It's not as easy as you think to just kill yourself. It goes against your nature and is a big step to take." That comment kind of cracked me up.
Anyway, what is a vial of Humulin R? A thousand units? That didn't do it and he said the hypo wasn't anything worse than he's experienced before. You get a lot of warning signs before you pass out. I'm sure if he didn't do the plastic bag over the head and just take the vial, especially after a 24+ hour fast when he would been a bit depleted would have done the trick. He would have just fell asleep and I figure he would have at least a good full day, but most likely more, before anyone came looking for him. But I'm really not sure how long you can go before actually dying. I mean, being in a coma isn't death and your body does things to keep you alive. I'm not sure how much glucose is stored in your body (liver, muscles...) before it shuts down completely.
If anybody decides to try this then LMK how it goes.
-Sad story. Your friend was crying for help. Hopefully, he found it. The will to live is stronger than some people want to believe, specially when they are emotionally distraught. committing suicide is harder than one thinks it will be.
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Next time drive 100mph into a bridge abutment with no seatbelt.
Did you not get that his friend did everything he could to insure he didn't leave a mess. Your suggestion would be very messy.
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Either that or take a bottle of oral potassium supplements along with a heavy dose of sleeping pills. If it's good enough for the US Justice System it's good enough for anyone
7.12% of U.S justice systems chemical executions are botched.
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just slit your jugular like a man... if ur worried about the mess then u r not ready to die.
This is an accurate and logical statement.
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This is an accurate and logical statement.
Not really. I would definitely not want to leave a mess when I die. I always take a shower
before I sleep. Everyone in my family tree that I know of, except one, died in their sleep.
I respect a considerate suicidal man.
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Count me as a fan of ESF. He livens up this place and has a lot of experiences to share even if embellished. Don't get why some get so bent out of shape and take it all so seriously. He doesn't attack anyone unless someone starts up with him.
He's made it abundantly clear that he does not take kindly to disrespect.
Same here. I'd love to have morning coffee with him and talk shit(no homo).
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Not really. I would definitely not want to leave a mess when I die. I always take a shower
before I sleep. Everyone in my family tree that I know of, except one, died in their sleep.
I respect a considerate suicidal man.
Dying in one's sleep is the way to go, IMO. My wife died in her sleep. This didn't make losing her any easier for my family and me, but it hopefully was easier for her.
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Not really. I would definitely not want to leave a mess when I die. I always take a shower
before I sleep. Everyone in my family tree that I know of, except one, died in their sleep.
I respect a considerate suicidal man.
Be better off taking a bottle of Xanax/valium/klonopin and dissolve 2 8balls of heroin and shooting 3cc, or even 6cc IM. You'd just nod out, fall asleep and stop breathing in your sleep. You'd have no idea you were dying. No panic from a heart-attack.
That's the way to go if you were gonna do it.
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Dying in one's sleep is the way to go, IMO. My wife died in her sleep. This didn't make losing her any easier for my family and me, but it hopefully was easier for her.
I’m very sorry about your wife. :(
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Be better off taking a bottle of Xanax/valium/klonopin and dissolve 2 8balls of heroin and shooting 3cc, or even 6cc IM. You'd just nod out, fall asleep and stop breathing in your sleep. You'd have no idea you were dying. No panic from a heart-attack.
That's the way to go if you were gonna do it.
Where I was a kid, I tried to commit suicide. I took a handful of my mom's prescription sleeping pills, went to bed and was awake all night waiting to go to sleep and die. The pharmacy probably faked her prescription, giving her sugar pills instead.
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Where I was a kid, I tried to commit suicide. I took a handful of my mom's prescription sleeping pills, went to bed and was awake all night waiting to go to sleep and die. The pharmacy probably faked her prescription, giving her sugar pills instead.
Hand full won't do shit. Especially "sleeping pills ".
Likely valium, if that.. Probably benadryl (diphenhydramine hcl).
Had a gf in hs take 1/2 a bottle of Tylenol cuz her mom called her a whore.. and tell her sister about it a few hrs later. Wound up inn the hospital having to drink charcoal liquid for a couplendays.
If you're gonna do it, know what you're doing, else you'll just embarrass yourself.
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I'm on 100mg week and my levels are between 350-400. Sometimes I'd like to be higher as this dose really doesn't do much. Been on for 3 years and am not quite 40 yet. So yeah, I plan (hope) to be doing this at least another 40 years ;D
I wish I could get a vial of Test. Im 40, and trying to get one TRT treatment, but anywhere in Florida, only consultations and lab work will cost around 300, aside from the gear. If anyone knows a cheapest way, Ill would be happy. 100mg per week sounds good
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I wish I could get a vial of Test. Im 40, and trying to get one TRT treatment, but anywhere in Florida, only consultations and lab work will cost around 300, aside from the gear. If anyone knows a cheapest way, Ill would be happy. 100mg per week sounds good
Eh, black market?
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How does that work? I'm thinking something to do with the heart. That sounds clean and easy.
Yes, precisely. The heart's cells rely on a difference in net electrical charge between the inside of the cells and the surrounding area outside the cells. By moving electrolytes in and out of the cells, the heart is able to generate and conduct an electrical signal.
If the level of potassium in the blood is too high, there will be no difference in charge between the inside of the heart's cells and the surrounding area outside the cells and the heart will be unable to generate an electrical charge--ie: unable to contract. The heart stops.
The Justice System does it with IV potassium but enough oral potassium supplements ought to do the trick.
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I wish I could get a vial of Test. Im 40, and trying to get one TRT treatment, but anywhere in Florida, only consultations and lab work will cost around 300, aside from the gear. If anyone knows a cheapest way, Ill would be happy. 100mg per week sounds good
Where in FL are you? It is $149-$199 per month here.
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Eh, black market?
Its hard to trust black market these days, Man. 50-50% to be actual test on the vial or what?
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Where in FL are you? It is $149-$199 per month here.
Im in O city area, Man. If its 150 a month would be ok, but with lab and prescription and other costs, I couldn't find any less that 450 dollars, to starters :(
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I wish I could get a vial of Test. Im 40, and trying to get one TRT treatment, but anywhere in Florida, only consultations and lab work will cost around 300, aside from the gear. If anyone knows a cheapest way, Ill would be happy. 100mg per week sounds good
Is you testosterone low? If so, make an appointment with either a urologist or an endocrinologist. If you have health insurance, most of the expense should be covered. One vial of Test isn't going to get you anywhere. You'll feel good for as long as the vial lasts. Once the injected testosterone is out of your system, you'll be back to where you started. TRT is a lifelong commitment.
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Its hard to trust black market these days, Man. 50-50% to be actual test on the vial or what?
No, not with test. Test is usually legit. Ots cheap to make. About the cheapest.
$50 a bottle. Walgreens test usually goes $70 a bottle no insurance with Walgreens discount card thing
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No, not with test. Test is usually legit. Ots cheap to make. About the cheapest.
$50 a bottle. Walgreens test usually goes $70 a bottle no insurance with Walgreens discount card thing
For a 10 ml - 2000 mg vial, I pay a $30 co-pay, but the full price is around $70. Just as you said.
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5-7 years from now is when I see myself going this route -
so far
100mg a week is a good dose (get all blood work down) pin 1x a week is fine - shoulder or butt
pepper in some Arimidex very small amount
HCG touch and go
1 IU HGH 5x a week (for anti aging properties)
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Be better off taking a bottle of Xanax/valium/klonopin and dissolve 2 8balls of heroin and shooting 3cc, or even 6cc IM. You'd just nod out, fall asleep and stop breathing in your sleep. You'd have no idea you were dying. No panic from a heart-attack.
That's the way to go if you were gonna do it.
Good to have someone here that knows the ins and outs of drug usage. I've never been drunk or high in my life and this is a completely different world to me. I don't even know what an "8ball" is but I like the fact that I know someone who does and can translate for me so I don't seem like a dork in the real world.
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No, not with test. Test is usually legit. Ots cheap to make. About the cheapest.
$50 a bottle. Walgreens test usually goes $70 a bottle no insurance with Walgreens discount card thing
I dont have insurance, but I can afford a 70$ bottle, if its legit ::)
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For a 10 ml - 2000 mg vial, I pay a $30 co-pay, but the full price is around $70. Just as you said.
Cypionate? sounds a good deal
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joe, in the time u've been searching for a bottle of test (lmfao)... u could have synthesized a kilo of the shit in your own kitchen. get a grip, man.
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Is Joe for real? Isn't he in the industry?
Can't get simple testosterone? Something's wrong with this picture.
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Good to have someone here that knows the ins and outs of drug usage. I've never been drunk or high in my life and this is a completely different world to me. I don't even know what an "8ball" is but I like the fact that I know someone who does and can translate for me so I don't seem like a dork in the real world.
"8ball" an 1/8th oz. 3.5g
8 "8balls" in an oz.
Meth also has "teeners". Dunno wtf a "teener" is tho, as I don't mess w/meth lol
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Here is a study that shows men on trt had a 33% lower incidence of cardiovascular events ie heart attack and stroke.
https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/article/kaiser-permanente-study-finds-testosterone-replacement-therapy-reduces-cardiovascular-risk-among-men-androgen-deficiency/ (https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/article/kaiser-permanente-study-finds-testosterone-replacement-therapy-reduces-cardiovascular-risk-among-men-androgen-deficiency/)
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Is Joe for real? Isn't he in the industry?
Can't get simple testosterone? Something's wrong with this picture.
Yeah, Man, something is very wrong, im small!!!
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joe, in the time u've been searching for a bottle of test (lmfao)... u could have synthesized a kilo of the shit in your own kitchen. get a grip, man.
Why the hate? Im not asking for coke or heroin, camon guys, less hate/more help :)
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Why the hate? Im not asking for coke or heroin, camon guys, less hate/more help :)
I know joe p was posting here a while back. Are you joe p from musclesport?
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I know joe p was posting here a while back. Are you joe p from musclesport?
Of course not, Dude, I live in Florida. Im just a guy that lift weights. Bugs me that people create a post asking drugs to pick up Girls, and are mad when someone cant find affordable Juice.
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Why the hate?
that ain't hate, trust me.
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that ain't hate, trust me.
Ok. I just dont want to pay 400 dollars, between exams/doctor consultation, plus the Test. And Im not looking for 750 mg/1mg weekly, nothing against guys that do it. to each its own, I just want some TRT since im 40.
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Ok. I just dont want to pay 400 dollars, between exams/doctor consultation, plus the Test. And Im not looking for 750 mg/1mg weekly, nothing against guys that do it. to each its own, I just want some TRT since im 40.
u do not need trt... u need 2 eat a bullet.
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u do not need trt... u need 2 eat a bullet.
& U need to be ban on GB site.
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Cypionate? sounds a good deal
Yup, test cypionate. On my current dosage (.75 ml), this is a three month supply. If it were a one month supply, it would be a $10 to $15 copay. My guess is that insurance providers, including those with Medicare Advantage Plans, like the one I have, could care less about TRT as long as the meds prescribed are not expensive. Experimental cancer drugs are another story, which is why many people have to fund their way through the "gap" long before the next renewal.
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& U need to be ban on GB site.
Be banned cause asked for a good tip on TRT? Are you retarted like Genova or autistic like Big Rob? loool
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u do not need trt... u need 2 eat a bullet.
Go suck Vince's cock..
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Go suck Vince's cock..
lol, even vince would have little trouble acquiring a bottle of test – think about that.
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"8ball" an 1/8th oz. 3.5g
8 "8balls" in an oz.
Meth also has "teeners". Dunno wtf a "teener" is tho, as I don't mess w/meth lol
Thanks!
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Ok. I just dont want to pay 400 dollars, between exams/doctor consultation, plus the Test. And Im not looking for 750 mg/1mg weekly, nothing against guys that do it. to each its own, I just want some TRT since im 40.
I am confused. If you live in FL, you should see signs to the clinics all over the place. I mean, they literally advertise them on signs by I95.
Royal Men's Medical Center
The Center
Genesis
TRT Factory
etc..
They are between $149-$199 per month. All doc visits and labs included. Read my prior posts.
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I am confused. If you live in FL, you should see signs to the clinics all over the place. I mean, they literally advertise them on signs by I95.
Royal Men's Medical Center
The Center
Genesis
TRT Factory
etc..
They are between $149-$199 per month. All doc visits and labs included. Read my prior posts.
Like I said, if its 150 month, with visits and labs, then im on it :)
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I am confused. If you live in FL, you should see signs to the clinics all over the place. I mean, they literally advertise them on signs by I95.
Royal Men's Medical Center
The Center
Genesis
TRT Factory
etc..
They are between $149-$199 per month. All doc visits and labs included. Read my prior posts.
Not only in Florida, these places are everywhere. Medical insurance providers don't usually cover it. http://universalmensclinic.com/clinics/portland/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIspPpuaap2wIVjeNkCh26bA4UEAAYASAAEgISu_D_BwE (http://universalmensclinic.com/clinics/portland/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIspPpuaap2wIVjeNkCh26bA4UEAAYASAAEgISu_D_BwE)
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I am confused. If you live in FL, you should see signs to the clinics all over the place.
dude is obviously fishing.. like some type or tard law... or he's simply an epic tard.
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I am confused. If you live in FL, you should see signs to the clinics all over the place. I mean, they literally advertise them on signs by I95.
Royal Men's Medical Center
The Center
Genesis
TRT Factory
etc..
They are between $149-$199 per month. All doc visits and labs included. Read my prior posts.
Compared to $50 for a bottle of black market cyp that lasts 20weeks lol (@100mg/wk) lol
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Not only in Florida, these places are everywhere. Medical insurance providers don't usually cover it. http://universalmensclinic.com/clinics/portland/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIspPpuaap2wIVjeNkCh26bA4UEAAYASAAEgISu_D_BwE (http://universalmensclinic.com/clinics/portland/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIspPpuaap2wIVjeNkCh26bA4UEAAYASAAEgISu_D_BwE)
My insurance covered it way back in 05 and all through prison till '11. Plus, also got a script when I got out of prison including a "refill" a month after the 1st.one was filled because the bottle was thrown away by accident. Only thing they wouldn't cover where things like a remix because they said it was for "cosmetic" reasons. T4 was obviously covered as well.
... Also, all the scripts were from general practitioners. Never a specialist of any sort. All I do is run blood work and see if you are low, which I was obviously. They don't even ccare WHY youre low ( aside from ruling out the possibility of a brain tumor or something in which still maybe do a CT scan, but that's it. I was honest with them every time and told them straight up I've been using steroids since I was 17. Because it's not like if somebody has lung cancer and they tell the doctor oh I was a smoker for x amount of years, they're not going to refuse to treat you because of that either. It's not the doctor's place to judge and punish
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My insurance covered it way back in 05 and all through prison till '11. Plus, also got a script when I got out of prison including a "refill" a month after the 1st.one was filled because the bottle was thrown away by accident. Only thing they wouldn't cover where things like a remix because they said it was for "cosmetic" reasons. T4 was obviously covered as well.
... Also, all the scripts were from general practitioners. Never a specialist of any sort. All I do is run blood work and see if you are low, which I was obviously. They don't even ccare WHY youre low ( aside from ruling out the possibility of a brain tumor or something in which still maybe do a CT scan, but that's it. I was honest with them every time and told them straight up I've been using steroids since I was 17. Because it's not like if somebody has lung cancer and they tell the doctor oh I was a smoker for x amount of years, they're not going to refuse to treat you because of that either. It's not the doctor's place to judge and punish
I'm surprised that you were able to have much less use it in prison. But, what do I know? Almost nothing about prison life. Apparently, some private insurers cover stuff that the big insurers don't. Medicare advantage plans, such as I have, definitely won't cover any of the costs unless they are medically necessary. Fortunately, my urologist provides me a prescription test cyp and HCG and Arimidex I can buy on-line hassle free. -Not sure lung cancer and low testosterone equate.
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I'm surprised that you were able to have much less use it in prison. But, what do I know? Almost nothing about prison life. Apparently, some private insurers cover stuff that the big insurers don't. Medicare advantage plans, such as I have, definitely won't cover any of the costs unless they is medically necessary. Fortunately, my urologist provides me a prescription test cyp and HCG and Arimidex I can buy on-line hassle free. -Not sure lung cancer and low testosterone equate.
I had "Medicare" or whatever it's called In 05 and they covered it. Prison medical is covered by the same. Blue shield PPO also covered HRT.
I believe when I got out of prison I paid something like 50 bucks out of pocket for the doctor's office visit along with $80 for the blood work which included some other s*** other than just simply testing testosterone, such as CBC and whatever else. It's been seven or eight years since I did it so I forget. And then I paid $70 for the bottle of cypionate at Walgreens with somewhat of a discount with some sort of Walgreens prescription discount card that I applied for online. Buy a plaid I mean you just sign up there's no real application or chance for denial. So all in all that bottle of test cost about $200 & I couldve gotten it $40 cheaper if I'd just gotten my test levels checked which only cost about $35 & im sure there Cheaper dr cost is in the $35 range. So, that's $140 total, once every 20 weeks, when you need a refill on test. Provided you're running just hrt-doses.
In prison you don't "have" it. You go to the medical building to get your injections every 2 weeks.
HCG is useless for HRT if you're getting test cup injections unless you're trying to get gyno or trying to have a baby. Whole point of using HCG is to get your body to produce testosterone, however if you're already injecting testosterone it's freaking pointless and you will only get Negative s*** such as gyno and acne.
All in all, it'd just be easier to buy black market test and even run double the dose.
I'll never understand why people don't just run 200 or even 300 mg per week testosterone for the rest of their lives except for when or if they want to have a child. The only reason for going off would be to have a child. The quality of life that dose of testosterone would provide greatly outweighs the negatives. Which are few. Hell you could go on vacation to Mexico and pick up a years worth of test and be set. Years worth would be 24-26 amps. I believe there's 2 amps in a box of Testoprim-D. Ive only had bad experiences with testoprim-d however,. The first quote unquote infection I ever had was from testoprimd back in 2001. S*** swelled up and inflamed my shoulder the point where I couldn't raise my right arm or shift a manual transmission (fuxked up my street racing plans for 2 weekends) and gave me a 100+ fever for a week.
I always much preceded Stem, which was 75mg cup, 25mg prop and 20mg DHEA (up till about '95 it was 20mg DHT I believe. I first got it about 97? After it was DHEA). It was cheap, at $1.70 a box containing 2 amps (200mg total). Each amp was 2ml, so it made for a decent product for site-injections, as 1000mg would be 20cc. 3cc in each rear delt, 2cc each medial/side delt, 2cc each bicep, 3rd each glute each week. Not sure if Sten (made by Astra I believe. "Stenox" was their version of Halotestin. 2.5mg tablets that cost I believe $12 for a box of 20? Tabs?)
Not sure if any 10ml bottles of test are available in Mexico anymore, human or vet. I'm sure you can still get vet grade stuff, which would cost $15-25 per bottle of assume. I'd be willing to bet you can find a bottle of test at a vet for $12, especially deeper into Mexico around. Vacation spots like Cancun, Acapulco, Oaxaca, Mazatlan, or Puerto Vallarta. The 10 mL bottles would be much easier to bring back across storing them in of course never in your carry-on stuff. Maybe a little bit more difficult to bring back crossed 50 2 or 54 ampules and having Customs not notice it in X-rays of your checked baggage. Even if you get caught the only thing that will happen most likely is they "charge" you(more like a traffic ticket) with what's called "failure to declare" and you get a $550 fine, which you can make payments on... Or not. If youndont pay, it'll just be brought up if you cross the boarder again, usually.
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Compared to $50 for a bottle of black market cyp that lasts 20weeks lol (@100mg/wk) lol
Compared to the felony or travel ban you may incur from being caught with black market stuff. "LOL"
Oh, you already a felon... forgot about that.
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Be banned cause asked for a good tip on TRT? Are you retarted like Genova or autistic like Big Rob? loool
Think he’s talking about zillotch
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Compared to the felony or travel ban you may incur from being caught with black market stuff. "LOL"
Oh, you already a felon... forgot about that.
Travel.ban? You should stick to talking about things you know about.
I on the other hand have actually BEEN CAUGHT bringing shit across the border, therefore I actually know what I'm talking about. And shit you buy in Mexico and bring across isn't BLACK MARKET. Fucken dunce.
And far as getting "caught" with actual "black market" ugl test in the U.S., what the fuck are you doing to be inn the position to "get caught" with it in the first place?
Do yourself a favor and try not to argue with me about things you know nothing about.
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Yeah. Travel ban. Quite a few countries will not allow you back in if you get caught entering with illegal substances. Apparently you don't know there are more countries out there than Mexico. ::)
But you really don't even have to travel. Having a legit script is great for those of us who have real careers and don't have to resort to selling shitty homemade illegal bathtub brews off our IG page. Having a legit script keeps the professional licenses of ours intact so we don't end up with a felony record and have to resort to bragging about it on an internet board.
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Yeah. Travel ban. Quite a few countries will not allow you back in if you get caught entering with illegal substances. Apparently you don't know there are more countries out there than Mexico. ::)
But you really don't even have to travel. Having a legit script is great for those of us who have real careers and don't have to resort to selling shitty homemade illegal bathtub brews off our IG page. Having a legit script keeps the professional licenses of ours intact so we don't end up with a felony record and have to resort to bragging about it on an internet board.
Yet here you are, arguing things you know nothing about.
"Let you back in" eh? So, if I leave the u.s. I can't get back in? If you're an Australian citizen you can't get back into Aus? Ifnyoure a Japanese citizen you can't get back into Japan?
Curious what "profession" (got some professional licenses myself, with felonies buddy. Keep thinkin what you're thinkin) you would qualify for, given your inability to grasp "logic". Id at least expect you to.grasp the concept of "practicing outside your scope", like you do so quite regularly here.
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Let you back in could apply to other countries should you want to visit again. ::) You obviously have either a reading comprehension problem or simply trying to split hairs to appear less stupid. Whichever it is, it is your problem. Deal with it as you can.
Some of us don't consider personal training certs "professional licenses". Good thing that isn't affected by felonies. Or else you would have to resort to becoming a full time social media drug dealer.
Which some of us don't aspire to be or want to risk catching a felony to lose our career. What a waste of college that would be. (Foreign concept to you I am sure).
But hey, if I ever wanted to know how to be a drug addict, cook kitchen brew illegal substances, become a drug mule, and live with multiple felonies.... I will ask someone for advice. Just not you though because you don't even seem to be good at that.
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Let you back in could apply to other countries should you want to visit again. ::) You obviously have either a reading comprehension problem or simply trying to split hairs to appear less stupid. Whichever it is, it is your problem. Deal with it as you can.
Some of us don't consider personal training certs "professional licenses". Good thing that isn't affected by felonies. Or else you would have to resort to becoming a full time social media drug dealer.
Which some of us don't aspire to be or want to risk catching a felony to lose our career. What a waste of college that would be. (Foreign concept to you I am sure).
But hey, if I ever wanted to know how to be a drug addict, cook kitchen brew illegal substances, become a drug mule, and live with multiple felonies.... I will ask someone for advice. Just not you though because you don't even seem to be good at that.
Oh I comprehended what you wrote, even quoted you. If you cannot convey your thoughts properly, don't blame me.
And I have "licenses" other than personal training. (personal training isn't a license,by the way), nice try.
And yep, I have felonies, which is why I supplement my income. However I owned. A Pharmacy long before my felonies. Business is business.obviously A concept that is foreign to you.
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dude is obviously fishing.. like some type or tard law... or he's simply an epic tard.
See, theres always assholes we have to stand in life, like Zillotch, that prolly has a shitty Body, and thinks is somebody, because he can have something that other just cant. Some guys post serial killers worship in here, and get away with it, talking about Jesus being savior and all this bullshit. A person asks for an affordable TRT treatment and get hate from a nobody like you. What a shame, Man...
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Compared to $50 for a bottle of black market cyp that lasts 20weeks lol (@100mg/wk) lol
Youre not wrong, but a good Real one is not that easy to find, I guess
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See, theres always assholes we have to stand in life, like Zillotch, that prolly has a shitty Body, and thinks is somebody, because he can have something that other just cant.
joe, at some point every man must come to the realization.. that life just isn't fair.
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Oh I comprehended what you wrote, even quoted you. If you cannot convey your thoughts properly, don't blame me.
And I have "licenses" other than personal training. (personal training isn't a license,by the way), nice try.
And yep, I have felonies, which is why I supplement my income. However I owned. A Pharmacy long before my felonies. Business is business.obviously A concept that is foreign to you.
Supplement your income huh? With felonious acts that most of us would prefer to avoid the consequences of. Hence the reason some of us prefer getting a legit Rx script for roids.
Perhaps if you were not a felon, you would be able to put those other licenses to good use in a field that paid decently enough to keep you from selling drugs on social media.
As far as your other "licenses" you may possess.... wasn't you just claiming you didn't have an active driver's license? Color me not impressed on whatever else you may have a license in.
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I had "Medicare" or whatever it's called In 05 and they covered it. Prison medical is covered by the same. Blue shield PPO also covered HRT.
I believe when I got out of prison I paid something like 50 bucks out of pocket for the doctor's office visit along with $80 for the blood work which included some other s*** other than just simply testing testosterone, such as CBC and whatever else. It's been seven or eight years since I did it so I forget. And then I paid $70 for the bottle of cypionate at Walgreens with somewhat of a discount with some sort of Walgreens prescription discount card that I applied for online. Buy a plaid I mean you just sign up there's no real application or chance for denial. So all in all that bottle of test cost about $200 & I couldve gotten it $40 cheaper if I'd just gotten my test levels checked which only cost about $35 & im sure there Cheaper dr cost is in the $35 range. So, that's $140 total, once every 20 weeks, when you need a refill on test. Provided you're running just hrt-doses.
In prison you don't "have" it. You go to the medical building to get your injections every 2 weeks.
HCG is useless for HRT if you're getting test cup injections unless you're trying to get gyno or trying to have a baby. Whole point of using HCG is to get your body to produce testosterone, however if you're already injecting testosterone it's freaking pointless and you will only get Negative s*** such as gyno and acne.
All in all, it'd just be easier to buy black market test and even run double the dose.
I'll never understand why people don't just run 200 or even 300 mg per week testosterone for the rest of their lives except for when or if they want to have a child. The only reason for going off would be to have a child. The quality of life that dose of testosterone would provide greatly outweighs the negatives. Which are few. Hell you could go on vacation to Mexico and pick up a years worth of test and be set. Years worth would be 24-26 amps. I believe there's 2 amps in a box of Testoprim-D. Ive only had bad experiences with testoprim-d however,. The first quote unquote infection I ever had was from testoprimd back in 2001. S*** swelled up and inflamed my shoulder the point where I couldn't raise my right arm or shift a manual transmission (fuxked up my street racing plans for 2 weekends) and gave me a 100+ fever for a week.
I always much preceded Stem, which was 75mg cup, 25mg prop and 20mg DHEA (up till about '95 it was 20mg DHT I believe. I first got it about 97? After it was DHEA). It was cheap, at $1.70 a box containing 2 amps (200mg total). Each amp was 2ml, so it made for a decent product for site-injections, as 1000mg would be 20cc. 3cc in each rear delt, 2cc each medial/side delt, 2cc each bicep, 3rd each glute each week. Not sure if Sten (made by Astra I believe. "Stenox" was their version of Halotestin. 2.5mg tablets that cost I believe $12 for a box of 20? Tabs?)
Not sure if any 10ml bottles of test are available in Mexico anymore, human or vet. I'm sure you can still get vet grade stuff, which would cost $15-25 per bottle of assume. I'd be willing to bet you can find a bottle of test at a vet for $12, especially deeper into Mexico around. Vacation spots like Cancun, Acapulco, Oaxaca, Mazatlan, or Puerto Vallarta. The 10 mL bottles would be much easier to bring back across storing them in of course never in your carry-on stuff. Maybe a little bit more difficult to bring back crossed 50 2 or 54 ampules and having Customs not notice it in X-rays of your checked baggage. Even if you get caught the only thing that will happen most likely is they "charge" you(more like a traffic ticket) with what's called "failure to declare" and you get a $550 fine, which you can make payments on... Or not. If youndont pay, it'll just be brought up if you cross the boarder again, usually.
When someone qualifies for SSDI, they can go on Medicare and depending on their income, Medicaid. Blue Cross administers the coverage following Medicare requirements. Medicare covers HRT when it is medically necessary. In my situation it is covered because I have hypogonadism.
Generally your physician and prescription costs depend on your co-pays. Basic Medicare pays 80% and you pay 20%. Medicare advantage plans offer lower co-pays. I co-pay $35 for a specialist and my cost for scripts varies depending on the drug's tier. This can be anywhere from $0 to 100% of the cost for drugs not covered.
Many people rely on their physician's recommended dosage. Because I had prostate cancer, my dosage is carefully managed. Last year the doctor lowered it from 1 ml to .75 ml because my hematocrit was elevated. Some would argue that I shouldn't be on TRT at all because it might increase the risk of prostate cancer recurrence.
No, I am not looking to get 'bitch tits' via HCG. Some doctors who specialize in low testosterone treatment, recommend HCG to maintain natural test production. I inject 250 ml on each of the last two days prior to the test cyp injection. Supposedly Arimidex helps maintain estrogen/testosterone balance and low libido.
This regimen is not intended to enhance muscular development, but just to keep my test levels reasonable and my body healthy.
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Supplement your income huh? With felonious acts that most of us would prefer to avoid the consequences of. Hence the reason some of us prefer getting a legit Rx script for roids.
Perhaps if you were not a felon, you would be able to put those other licenses to good use in a field that paid decently enough to keep you from selling drugs on social media.
As far as your other "licenses" you may possess.... wasn't you just claiming you didn't have an active driver's license? Color me not impressed on whatever else you may have a license in.
I do use the other licenses as I have multiple income streams. If one goes I'm still ok.
And I rarely sell via IG or social media. Once in a while ill put up an ad but 90% of my customers are locals who I know and can vet. I don't deal with anybody who has anything to do with recs or who even drinks as they're a liability
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Supplement your income huh? With felonious acts that most of us would prefer to avoid the consequences of. Hence the reason some of us prefer getting a legit Rx script for roids.
Perhaps if you were not a felon, you would be able to put those other licenses to good use in a field that paid decently enough to keep you from selling drugs on social media.
As far as your other "licenses" you may possess.... wasn't you just claiming you didn't have an active driver's license? Color me not impressed on whatever else you may have a license in.
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I do use the other licenses as I have multiple income streams. If one goes I'm still ok.
And I rarely sell via IG or social media. Once in a while ill put up an ad but 90% of my customers are locals who I know and can vet. I don't deal with anybody who has anything to do with recs or who even drinks as they're a liability
If you say so.
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If you say so.
You seem to be picking up the slack for be back. LOL.
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You seem to be picking up the slack for be back. LOL.
It's a paid gig. Requires a license.
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Here's a link to one a doctor I know runs :
http://www.royalmedicalcenters.com/
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I had "Medicare" or whatever it's called In 05 and they covered it. Prison medical is covered by the same. Blue shield PPO also covered HRT.
I believe when I got out of prison I paid something like 50 bucks out of pocket for the doctor's office visit along with $80 for the blood work which included some other s*** other than just simply testing testosterone, such as CBC and whatever else. It's been seven or eight years since I did it so I forget. And then I paid $70 for the bottle of cypionate at Walgreens with somewhat of a discount with some sort of Walgreens prescription discount card that I applied for online. Buy a plaid I mean you just sign up there's no real application or chance for denial. So all in all that bottle of test cost about $200 & I couldve gotten it $40 cheaper if I'd just gotten my test levels checked which only cost about $35 & im sure there Cheaper dr cost is in the $35 range. So, that's $140 total, once every 20 weeks, when you need a refill on test. Provided you're running just hrt-doses.
In prison you don't "have" it. You go to the medical building to get your injections every 2 weeks.
HCG is useless for HRT if you're getting test cup injections unless you're trying to get gyno or trying to have a baby. Whole point of using HCG is to get your body to produce testosterone, however if you're already injecting testosterone it's freaking pointless and you will only get Negative s*** such as gyno and acne.
All in all, it'd just be easier to buy black market test and even run double the dose.
I'll never understand why people don't just run 200 or even 300 mg per week testosterone for the rest of their lives except for when or if they want to have a child. The only reason for going off would be to have a child. The quality of life that dose of testosterone would provide greatly outweighs the negatives. Which are few. Hell you could go on vacation to Mexico and pick up a years worth of test and be set. Years worth would be 24-26 amps. I believe there's 2 amps in a box of Testoprim-D. Ive only had bad experiences with testoprim-d however,. The first quote unquote infection I ever had was from testoprimd back in 2001. S*** swelled up and inflamed my shoulder the point where I couldn't raise my right arm or shift a manual transmission (fuxked up my street racing plans for 2 weekends) and gave me a 100+ fever for a week.
I always much preceded Stem, which was 75mg cup, 25mg prop and 20mg DHEA (up till about '95 it was 20mg DHT I believe. I first got it about 97? After it was DHEA). It was cheap, at $1.70 a box containing 2 amps (200mg total). Each amp was 2ml, so it made for a decent product for site-injections, as 1000mg would be 20cc. 3cc in each rear delt, 2cc each medial/side delt, 2cc each bicep, 3rd each glute each week. Not sure if Sten (made by Astra I believe. "Stenox" was their version of Halotestin. 2.5mg tablets that cost I believe $12 for a box of 20? Tabs?)
Not sure if any 10ml bottles of test are available in Mexico anymore, human or vet. I'm sure you can still get vet grade stuff, which would cost $15-25 per bottle of assume. I'd be willing to bet you can find a bottle of test at a vet for $12, especially deeper into Mexico around. Vacation spots like Cancun, Acapulco, Oaxaca, Mazatlan, or Puerto Vallarta. The 10 mL bottles would be much easier to bring back across storing them in of course never in your carry-on stuff. Maybe a little bit more difficult to bring back crossed 50 2 or 54 ampules and having Customs not notice it in X-rays of your checked baggage. Even if you get caught the only thing that will happen most likely is they "charge" you(more like a traffic ticket) with what's called "failure to declare" and you get a $550 fine, which you can make payments on... Or not. If youndont pay, it'll just be brought up if you cross the boarder again, usually.
So you would not recommend using HCG, even for a cycle and not only TRT?
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Ok. I just dont want to pay 400 dollars, between exams/doctor consultation, plus the Test. And Im not looking for 750 mg/1mg weekly, nothing against guys that do it. to each its own, I just want some TRT since im 40.
Looks like someone will be turning 41 very very soon.
Or 36.
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Looks like someone will be turning 41 very very soon.
Or 36.
I wish I was 36
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I wish I was 36
Based on your aging history you may be looking at your 36th birthday.
Youre like a real life Benjamin Button.
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i hear the cream is pretty solid and some hrt guys rub it on their ballsack - yes - not trolling
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Based on your aging history you may be looking at your 36th birthday.
Youre like a real life Benjamin Button.
The other day Coach said I am not too different from a Teenager, so I might be looking at 16 :)
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Don't see what is so inconvenient about pinning yourself for the next 20 years. Big whoop. I put 80-100mg's into my triceps via insulin pin once a week. I donate blood every eight weeks and now, all my numbers seem to be in line. Amazed that I am at 1216ng's the day after injection and 6 days later before injecting again, I am still at 706. That's just from 100mg's. Probably going to experiment with some low dose hcg too. Want my balls to fatten up just a little.
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Don't see what is so inconvenient about pinning yourself for the next 20 years. Big whoop. I put 80-100mg's into my triceps via insulin pin once a week. I donate blood every eight weeks and now, all my numbers seem to be in line. Amazed that I am at 1216ng's the day after injection and 6 days later before injecting again, I am still at 706. That's just from 100mg's. Probably going to experiment with some low dose hcg too. Want my balls to fatten up just a little.
Really? Is it better than shoot on the Shoulder?
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Really? Is it better than shoot on the Shoulder?
I don't know if it's better or worse, but it is much easier.
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Don't see what is so inconvenient about pinning yourself for the next 20 years. Big whoop. I put 80-100mg's into my triceps via insulin pin once a week. I donate blood every eight weeks and now, all my numbers seem to be in line. Amazed that I am at 1216ng's the day after injection and 6 days later before injecting again, I am still at 706. That's just from 100mg's. Probably going to experiment with some low dose hcg too. Want my balls to fatten up just a little.
isnt there better absorption into the bigger muscles (glutes, thighs, or shoulders) with at least a 1 inch pin?
the buttcheeks are the ideal spot to inject?
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I don't know if it's better or worse, but it is much easier.
The insulin pin is smaller than the regular one.
Oil is thick, isn't it?
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isnt there better absorption into the bigger muscles (glutes, thighs, or shoulders) with at least a 1 inch pin?
the buttcheeks are the ideal spot to inject?
Given my bloodwork, of 1200 post inji & 700 pre inji, I'd say that absorption/needle length is a myth.
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The insulin pin is smaller than the regular one.
Oil is thick, isn't it?
I pull the oil with a 23g and back load the slin pin. It's only a about a half cc so it doesn't take much to inject it.
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I pull the oil with a 23g and back load the slin pin. It's only a about a half cc so it doesn't take much to inject it.
no 18 gauge 1.5 inches ;D
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no 18 gauge 1.5 inches ;D
Fuck no!
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Just do it sub cutaneous into the thigh skin no more than .5ml at a time for week usually a week. I would never do IM forever if i hadn't switched I would not have kept going. Doing it properly through a doc, donating blood etc gives you a quality of life far above not doing it. But just a personal opinion not a sales pitch, each person should be left to their own choices around use or non use.
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Just do it sub cutaneous into the thigh skin no more than .5ml at a time for week usually a week. I would never do IM forever if i hadn't switched I would not have kept going. Doing it properly through a doc, donating blood etc gives you a quality of life far above not doing it. But just a personal opinion not a sales pitch, each person should be left to their own choices around use or non use.
This. I’ve been backloading into 31 gauge insulin syringes. You can pretty much inject anywhere where there’s fat with a needle like that. Also dropped the anastrozole and spread my injections out 3 days a week along with donating blood every 3 months. It seems to make me feel better.
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Don't see what is so inconvenient about pinning yourself for the next 20 years. Big whoop. I put 80-100mg's into my triceps via insulin pin once a week. I donate blood every eight weeks and now, all my numbers seem to be in line. Amazed that I am at 1216ng's the day after injection and 6 days later before injecting again, I am still at 706. That's just from 100mg's. Probably going to experiment with some low dose hcg too. Want my balls to fatten up just a little.
Abraham, good numbers at a nice low dose. Can I ask your age? I started when I turned 50 (almost 3 years ago) and do 100-125 (depends on the test (200 or 250 mg) basically 1/2 a cc a week into the belly (sub-q).
Keeps me around 800 total test. (Up from 300). Takes around a minute to do, not a big deal whatsoever...
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Abraham, good numbers at a nice low dose. Can I ask your age? I started when I turned 50 (almost 3 years ago) and do 100-125 (depends on the test (200 or 250 mg) basically 1/2 a cc a week into the belly (sub-q).
Keeps me around 800 total test. (Up from 300). Takes around a minute to do, not a big deal whatsoever...
I am 45 until August.