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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/africa/south-africa-trump-tweet-land-reform-intl/
Pretoria, South Africa (CNN)South Africa's top diplomat has dismissed US President Donald Trump's remarks about white farmers in her country's land reform process, saying it reflects "right-wing ideology."
Trump drew ire in the South African government last Wednesday when he alleged on Twitter that there was "large scale killing" of farmers, as the country tries to reverse the uneven distribution of land that favored white farmers over black South Africans during apartheid. He also tweeted that he was ordering Foreign Secretary Mike Pompeo to study the country's policy.
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It's crazy how you commies( you all have moved well beyond progressives) look at this. The documented rape and torture of white farmers have been happening for over 20 years. I was watching Bill Maher Friday and they were laughing about it, calling it a White Nationalist conspiracy theory. This sh$t has been well documented for well over 20 years. We need to send our Marines in as watch dogs while we teach the savages a lesson.
Democrats have truly lost their collective, group think minds. Tbey would rather allow babies to be raped, skinned alive and burned instead of admitting their is a problem and Trump is right.
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Democrats have truly lost their collective, group think minds. They would rather allow babies to be raped, skinned alive and burned instead of admitting their is a problem and Trump is right.
Exactly, bro!!
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If there's one refrain the Left is known for it's advocating for causes it wouldn't want anything to do with in their day-to-day lives, be it minorities in the inner cities, the plight of people of whom they know nothing in various war zones or other hot spots around the world, illegal immigrants breaching the U.S. border and crossing private land in the southern states then blending into American society (sometimes with fatal results with the people who cross their paths, like Kate and Mollie, among many others), 'gentrification' in previously black-majority neighborhoods of major cities or police 'brutality' against uncooperative and/or dangerous suspects that end up eating a lead salad on someone's decontextualized cellphone video that just went viral. The list is endless. There's not one of these topics on which the Left and its unhinged supporters would want any kind of personal experience, because they'd soon be cured of their misplaced sympathy for situations and people they really know nothing about.
In those rare instances where they walk the talk and actually leave their cozy White-majority ecosystem to actually see what life is really like in the places they want the U.S. to send cash and soldiers to in support of a cause they can't even clearly define or explain, they invariably end up shot, mugged, burgled, sold into sex slavery or brutally murdered by the very people they were championing on Twitter from the comfort of their American dwellings. There's two recent examples in threads posted here about Westerners going to the Middle East or Africa and never being seen or heard from again.
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Democrats have truly lost their collective, group think minds. Tbey would rather allow babies to be raped, skinned alive and burned instead of admitting their is a problem and Trump is right.
Yes.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/africa/south-africa-trump-tweet-land-reform-intl/
Pretoria, South Africa (CNN)South Africa's top diplomat has dismissed US President Donald Trump's remarks about white farmers in her country's land reform process, saying it reflects "right-wing ideology."
Trump drew ire in the South African government last Wednesday when he alleged on Twitter that there was "large scale killing" of farmers, as the country tries to reverse the uneven distribution of land that favored white farmers over black South Africans during apartheid. He also tweeted that he was ordering Foreign Secretary Mike Pompeo to study the country's policy.
Why would anyone think that Americans give a shit about what a South African politician thinks?
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The ANC regime wants to take ANY white-owned property.
And thousands of farmers and home owners have already been brutally tortured, sometimes for days, and raped and murdered in front of their own family.
One of the 'ministers' said it will be a type of affirmative action on property whereby the state will take away white-owned property without payment and give it to blacks. Any property, even in cities.
The ANC have also lied about the statistics, the biggest owners of land are the government and the tribal trusts whereby the traditional Chiefs own the land on behalf of their subjects.
South Africa already has many racial laws which discriminate against whites. There is Black Economic Empowerment, Affirmative Action, Employment Equity and sports quota's.
For instance, if a business over a certain size wants to hire, they must have only 8 % white employees according to the racial percentage of the population. These racial laws are of course already illegal according to the United Nations.
This is about retaining power, same as happened in Zimbabwe, the ruling regime has been losing support and the object of this is to maintain political power. And to destroy whites economically and culturally.
If they go ahead with taking property without payment, the economy and currency will take a very hard hit and property will be basically worthless for everyone. The country could end up in civil war.
The ANC are liars, and have already looted billions of dollars, who in their right mind would trust them?
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They're attacked every single day.
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If there's one refrain the Left is known for it's advocating for causes it wouldn't want anything to do with in their day-to-day lives, be it minorities in the inner cities, the plight of people of whom they know nothing in various war zones or other hot spots around the world, illegal immigrants breaching the U.S. border and crossing private land in the southern states then blending into American society (sometimes with fatal results with the people who cross their paths, like Kate and Mollie, among many others), 'gentrification' in previously black-majority neighborhoods of major cities or police 'brutality' against uncooperative and/or dangerous suspects that end up eating a lead salad on someone's decontextualized cellphone video that just went viral. The list is endless. There's not one of these topics on which the Left and its unhinged supporters would want any kind of personal experience, because they'd soon be cured of their misplaced sympathy for situations and people they really know nothing about.
In those rare instances where they walk the talk and actually leave their cozy White-majority ecosystem to actually see what life is really like in the places they want the U.S. to send cash and soldiers to in support of a cause they can't even clearly define or explain, they invariably end up shot, mugged, burgled, sold into sex slavery or brutally murdered by the very people they were championing on Twitter from the comfort of their American dwellings. There's two recent examples in threads posted here about Westerners going to the Middle East or Africa and never being seen or heard from again.
Outstanding 😎
My year of terror and abuse teaching at a NYC high school
https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/my-year-of-terror-and-abuse-teaching-at-a-nyc-high-school/amp/
Boland had taught English in China. This was his favored school — advertised as the last, best hope for kids who had fallen far behind — and he was thrilled to be hired. He went home to his then-boyfriend (now-husband) and celebrated over takeout pad Thai and an expensive bottle of red wine.
Two weeks in and Boland was crying in the bathroom. Kids were tossing $110 textbooks out the window. They overturned desks and stormed out of classrooms. There were seventh-grade girls with tattoos and T-shirts that read, “I’m Not Easy But We Can Negotiate.” Their self-care toggled in the extreme, from girls who gave themselves pedicures in class to kids who went days without showering.
Boland came to actively loathe most of the student body. He resented “their poverty, their ignorance, their arrogance. Everything I was hoping, at first, to change.”
A lifelong liberal, Boland began to feel uncomfortable with his thinking. “We can’t just explain away someone’s horrible behavior because they have had a tough upbringing,” he argued back. “It doesn’t do them — or us — any good.”
Boland didn’t know what to believe anymore. At the end of the school year, he quit.
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I was watching Bill Maher Friday and they were laughing about it, calling it a White Nationalist conspiracy theory.
Odd then that even the Zulu king believes in this "racist conspiracy theory"
https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zulu-king-on-farm-murders-racism-and-sona-7984162
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South Africa has a GDP smaller than Missouri and an even worse Dindu control problem. Who cares what their diplomat says ::)
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OP is a troll and a dumbass and one of the most overrated posters in GB history.
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World war 3....coming to a neighborhood near you soon!
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Whites should get out of Dodge while they can.
Like the prescient Jews who left Nazi Germany before the genocide began.
GTFO now!
SA is turning into a sh*thole.
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It's crazy how you commies( you all have moved well beyond progressives) look at this. The documented rape and torture of white farmers have been happening for over 20 years. I was watching Bill Maher Friday and they were laughing about it, calling it a White Nationalist conspiracy theory. This sh$t has been well documented for well over 20 years. We need to send our Marines in as watch dogs while we teach the savages a lesson.
Democrats have truly lost their collective, group think minds. Tbey would rather allow babies to be raped, skinned alive and burned instead of admitting their is a problem and Trump is right.
bill mahr is a piece of shit, and pays big dicked homies from the hood tyrone and rayvon to fuck him up the ass
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So who's going to grow all the food?
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So who's going to grow all the food?
Many farmers are already not going to bother planting for next season. They'll rather keep the cash on hand so they can pull it out the country if needed.
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The ANC regime wants to take ANY white-owned property.
And thousands of farmers and home owners have already been brutally tortured, sometimes for days, and raped and murdered in front of their own family.
One of the 'ministers' said it will be a type of affirmative action on property whereby the state will take away white-owned property without payment and give it to blacks. Any property, even in cities.
The ANC have also lied about the statistics, the biggest owners of land are the government and the tribal trusts whereby the traditional Chiefs own the land on behalf of their subjects.
South Africa already has many racial laws which discriminate against whites. There is Black Economic Empowerment, Affirmative Action, Employment Equity and sports quota's.
For instance, if a business over a certain size wants to hire, they must have only 8 % white employees according to the racial percentage of the population. These racial laws are of course already illegal according to the United Nations.
This is about retaining power, same as happened in Zimbabwe, the ruling regime has been losing support and the object of this is to maintain political power. And to destroy whites economically and culturally.
If they go ahead with taking property without payment, the economy and currency will take a very hard hit and property will be basically worthless for everyone. The country could end up in civil war.
The ANC are liars, and have already looted billions of dollars, who in their right mind would trust them?
ahhh...poor little afrikaner boy...diddums :'(
whatever the failings of the ANC they are a million times fairer and more humane than any white SA government that preceded them.
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/land-labour-and-apartheid
"The policy is known as the policy of segregation, and would later be replaced with the policy of apartheid in 1948. The 1913 Land Act set aside 7.5% of the land in South Africa for black people"
7.5% of the land for 90%+ of the population.
you scumbags should be grateful for the restraint that's been shown you since the end of apartheid. for your crimes against humanity you couldn't complain if you were all burnt at the stake.
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ahhh...poor little afrikaner boy...diddums :'(
whatever the failings of the ANC they are a million times fairer and more humane than any white SA government that preceded them.
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/land-labour-and-apartheid
"The policy is known as the policy of segregation, and would later be replaced with the policy of apartheid in 1948. The 1913 Land Act set aside 7.5% of the land in South Africa for black people"
7.5% of the land for 90%+ of the population.
you scumbags should be grateful for the restraint that's been shown you since the end of apartheid. for your crimes against humanity you couldn't complain if you were all burnt at the stake.
Black piece of trash
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The S African N trash are now killing White Farmers. N Trash like conker should be shot.
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The S African N trash are now killing White Farmers. N Trash like conker should be shot.
Conkhold would gladly lay his head on the slab, he's particularly infected with the white guilt plague among other things I'm sure
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Don't worry, Nedbank has the farmer's back ::).
"Nedbank client services resolution manager asserts that borrowers with mortgages on expropriated property will be obligated to continue bond payments – whether they are compensated by the government or not."
The fine print:
Thank you for the query you have raised with regard to the impact of land expropriation to your bonded property.
Nedbank is not privy to what provisions may be made for land purchasers whose land is encumbered, and what the proposed Review Committee would come up with to address this. However, we believe a balance needs to be achieved between the parliamentary agenda, and in particular the law of contract.
It is important to note the Home Loan agreement is subject to a contractual agreement, and bond payments remain due and payable until such a time that the bond is paid in full, irrespective of any form of land appropriation – with or without compensation. We would encourage you to continue with the bond payments until such time a determination is made, the time of which is also unknown to us.
We trust that our response meets with your expectation.
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Conkhold would gladly lay his head on the slab, he's particularly infected with the white guilt plague among other things I'm sure
The guy is a piece of shit. must have reported me as ron Avidan is online. Don´t give a fuck if i´m banned. Conker is N trash shit. Trump is the Best President the USA had. Burn the Koran.
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Only 33% of land in South Africa is owned directly by private individuals. The state owns the most land.
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Don't worry, Nedbank has the farmer's back ::).
"Nedbank client services resolution manager asserts that borrowers with mortgages on expropriated property will be obligated to continue bond payments – whether they are compensated by the government or not."
The fine print:
Thank you for the query you have raised with regard to the impact of land expropriation to your bonded property.
Nedbank is not privy to what provisions may be made for land purchasers whose land is encumbered, and what the proposed Review Committee would come up with to address this. However, we believe a balance needs to be achieved between the parliamentary agenda, and in particular the law of contract.
It is important to note the Home Loan agreement is subject to a contractual agreement, and bond payments remain due and payable until such a time that the bond is paid in full, irrespective of any form of land appropriation – with or without compensation. We would encourage you to continue with the bond payments until such time a determination is made, the time of which is also unknown to us.
We trust that our response meets with your expectation.
So if they take the land, the displaced owner is still expected to pay the bond!!
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Don't worry, Nedbank has the farmer's back ::).
"Nedbank client services resolution manager asserts that borrowers with mortgages on expropriated property will be obligated to continue bond payments – whether they are compensated by the government or not."
The fine print:
Thank you for the query you have raised with regard to the impact of land expropriation to your bonded property.
Nedbank is not privy to what provisions may be made for land purchasers whose land is encumbered, and what the proposed Review Committee would come up with to address this. However, we believe a balance needs to be achieved between the parliamentary agenda, and in particular the law of contract.
It is important to note the Home Loan agreement is subject to a contractual agreement, and bond payments remain due and payable until such a time that the bond is paid in full, irrespective of any form of land appropriation – with or without compensation. We would encourage you to continue with the bond payments until such time a determination is made, the time of which is also unknown to us.
We trust that our response meets with your expectation.
Gotta love bankers. It’s as if they recruit them amongst the ones the Mafia has expelled for poor morals.
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I know it will sound obvious, but I am really glad of the scrutiny being placed on what is a serious situation in South Africa.
Conkers. Fuck you. Come speak to any of the ndunas or gogos from the generation that grew up in apartheid, they literally would prefer it to the power and water cuts, as well as the escalated unemployment and violence, as well as corruption.
Don't even think to draw conclusions avout myself and my upbriniging. My father was chairman of the local council on behalf of the DA for 1st term, and independent for 2nd. He went independent as everyone was corrupt. He also was called twinkle toes by the lady ANC councillors, who used to line up to dance with my father, literally. He also had an MBE, an OBE, and raised us to perceive and react to racism. As I do now.
Nothing helps like a little perspective. So, these SA government derived replies to the issue have moral and logical base. OK, SA has a GDP lower than fucking Missouri (yes, it's true, I looked it up, them compared GDP and GDP per capita for the entire states and california. Perspective for me). What would the consensus be if one of many Missouri officials was involved in the follwing quote:
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Why did Joseph Nkosi, the South African ambassador to Venezuela, threaten the United States with military action?
It’s the perfect example of ‘think before you speak’. In a bizarre show of pseudo bravado and nationalist companionship, Nkosi offered up the services of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) to help an embattled Venezuelan government.
The Venezuelan government has been having a torrid time quelling public dissent resulting from a dire financial crisis. The country is experiencing a currency meltdown, compacted by nationwide protests, water shortages and a collapse of its healthcare sector.
Nkosi threatens the US with South Africa’s military might
The turmoil in Venezuela cannot be understated, but why Nkosi launched a tirade against America is still up for debate.
Whatever the reason; for Nkosi to rope South Africa into a South American conflict is irresponsible, to say the least.
Venezuelan publisher, El Carabobeño, reported on Nkosi’s bizarre and reckless statements, made during a diplomatic event to honour former President Nelson Mandela.
Nkosi cited economic blockades as a justifiable reason for military retaliation against the US, saying:
“We have always fought against this blockade. We are going to support them, we are not going to let them die alone. If it is necessary that we bring our soldiers to fight against the Americans we will do it, we cannot allow ourselves to be dominated by the American administration.”
The overeager ambassador didn’t stop there, although he should have – Nkosi went on to threaten US dominance, saying:
“The days of the US dominating the world are numbered”
Let’s be honest here: US President Donald Trump probably didn’t bat an eyelid at Nkosi’s threats. It’s doubtful the US president even took his utterances seriously – if indeed he is even aware of them.
Trump definitely did not tremble at the prospect of encountering the South African National Defence Force on the battlefield.
Nkosi withdraws statements and apologises
Nkosi threw the SANDF under the proverbial bus, without consultation, and without care.
Luckily for South Africa, and its army, Nkosi withdrew his courteous offer of troops.
Daily Maverick report that Ndivhuwo Mabaya, spokesperson for International Relations and Co-operation Minister Lindiwe Sisulu, confirmed the diplomat’s retraction and apology.
According to Mabaya, Nkosi received a stern talking to from the South African Director General, saying:
“It is not government policy. The DG (Director-General of International Relations and Co-operation Kgabo Mahoai) wrote to him that it cannot be done.”
So, fortunately, war with the United States has been averted.
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Try understand loud and crazy for a bit.
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^^ that was the result of good coke. I can see it in a lot of the speeches given by certain politicians her, the sign of someone tweaking under a drug a bit too racy for the brain at the time. Power is a symbol here, coke is a symbol of power. It is, unfortunately, also strong enough to stop ones heart, and fuck ones cerebral cortex up a bit if not controlled.
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Oh by the way, Conkers, after you spoke to the older generation, I'd drop you off in section 3, Umlazi. A place I can walk, with a fuckload of wariness and a local friend. As a shiny, empty vessel, you would be some fine pickings and have some good stories one day.
I returned to SA to do my postgrad in Durban. I earned 4-6000 rand a month, and travelled exclusively on our train and Kombi network. Thats not a luxury, but it is fun. Look up Warrick triangle on Google earth, that was my transit point from train to taxi. Fought off tow muggings there (very stoked with boxing) and saw a thief stripped naked and beaten, and then left to walk home naked. I'm not an ignorant mlungu, I'm a bloody knowledgeable one who speaks better zulu, xhosa and sutho than you do.
Come learn here, stop talking shit.
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Oh and Conkers......you are a truly ignorant cunt who just says shit to fit in. Fuck you, fuck your attitude, good luck with shit.
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Oh by the way, Conkers, after you spoke to the older generation, I'd drop you off in section 3, Umlazi. A place I can walk, with a fuckload of wariness and a local friend. As a shiny, empty vessel, you would be some fine pickings and have some good stories one day.
I returned to SA to do my postgrad in Durban. I earned 4-6000 rand a month, and travelled exclusively on our train and Kombi network. Thats not a luxury, but it is fun. Look up Warrick triangle on Google earth, that was my transit point from train to taxi. Fought off tow muggings there (very stoked with boxing) and saw a thief stripped naked and beaten, and then left to walk home naked. I'm not an ignorant mlungu, I'm a bloody knowledgeable one who speaks better zulu, xhosa and sutho than you do.
Come learn here, stop talking shit.
if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
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if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
Big mouth on the Forum. ::) N trash
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if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
::) ::) ::) Oh God, the typical "if we meet" keyboard warrior threat, you really are a cuckhold, conkhold. My intuition tells me this fine SA gentleman would destroy your fairy ass.
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Only 33% of land in South Africa is owned directly by private individuals. The state owns the most land.
so what? the ANC makes no secret of being a socialist party and was democratically elected, which is more than can be said for the evil tyrants that went before. and very little land has even been taken from whites since the end of apartheid anyway. most credible independent commentators state that the redistribution of stolen white land has been too little and too slow.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2018/01/25/south-africa-is-getting-land-reform-wrong
"Under colonial rule and then apartheid, black South Africans were systematically pushed off the land. Whites still own much of it. Righting this historical injustice has been a creakingly slow process over 24 years of democracy. The government promised to transfer 30% of white-owned farmland to blacks by 1999; most estimates reckon it has only transferred 10%".
whites SA should be very grateful to the ANC.
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if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
Meltdown!
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Many farmers are already not going to bother planting for next season. They'll rather keep the cash on hand so they can pull it out the country if needed.
I can understand why you wouldn’t wanna leave your home but you have to know when to hold and when to fold, and this is a fold. White people have no business in Africa.
We have an expression here in the states for when blacks move in to town, “There goes the neighborhood.”
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I can understand why you wouldn’t wanna leave your home but you have to know when to hold and when to fold, and this is a fold. White people have no business in Africa.
We have an expression here in the states for when blacks move in to town, “There goes the neighborhood.”
For most it is very difficult to move to another country, especially with a South African passport.
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I really hope Trump meets face to face with the 'President' of South Africa.
Gathering by Ramaphosa's Mugabe inspired response to Trump' tweet, I get the feeling Trump will just tell him to fuck off.
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all hail king trump . the saviour of white racists the world over! ::)
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Conker and Che please kill yourselves and do the world a favor you fucking pair of shit stains.
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The reality is that Trump has pretty much coddled blacks in America. He blames all of violence in Chicago on the mayor not doing enough about it as opposed to the people who are doing it.
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Not this Trump chit again ::)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-28/land-confiscations-loom-south-africa-rules-300000-gun-owners-turn-over-their
Place won't be worth living in anyway...govt seizing personal property and banning firearms...what could go wrong?
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all hail king trump . the saviour.
fixed
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all hail king trump . the saviour of white racists the world over! ::)
Conker the Cuckhold. Better known as Conkhold or Cunkhold. You are much more Neville Chamberlin than Winston Churchill my cowardice comrade.
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I really hope Trump meets face to face with the 'President' of South Africa.
Gathering by Ramaphosa's Mugabe inspired response to Trump' tweet, I get the feeling Trump will just tell him to fuck off.
With a stupid name like that trump should tell him to fuck off anyway.
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Conker the Plonker.
Whites shouldn’t be in Africa, ever.
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For most it is very difficult to move to another country, especially with a South African passport.
No passport needed.
Just climb in a boat with the rest of your farmer friends and sail to Spain.
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Let's move the UN to South Africa or some other turd world kuntry and see how many nations want to belong. FTN.
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/their-throats-were-slit-they-were-tortured-foreign-correspondent-investigates-south-africa-farm-attacks/news-story/55881aa12059d62a803dbf293b8b67ce (https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/their-throats-were-slit-they-were-tortured-foreign-correspondent-investigates-south-africa-farm-attacks/news-story/55881aa12059d62a803dbf293b8b67ce)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298)
The scene inside the house was chaos. A door broken with an axe. Blood everywhere.
And in the bedroom, his parents lying together, their hands tied, their throats slit, the cord of an iron tied around his mother's neck.
“My dad was lying on his back, my mother was lying face down, hands tied behind her back. My dad had a big gaping hole the size of a golf ball in his throat. Their throats were slit, they were tortured. I found an iron cord around my mother’s neck. They tortured her.”
Jo-an doesn't believe the murder of his parents — or of the 20 or 30 of his neighbours killed in the past decade or so — can be written off as mere robberies.
"Not only do they kill, but the way they kill, they torture you," he says.
"This is hate. This is political hate."
EFF leader Julius Malema, who in 2016 told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”, has been accused of whipping up racial tensions. “We are taking the future into our own hands,” he told a rally attended by Foreign Correspondent. “Shoot to kill! Shoot to kill! Pow, pow!”
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http://concit.org/media-silence-on-the-deaths-and-torture-of-white-african-farmers/
http://williebeetge.blogspot.com/2015/11/graphic-photos-of-farm-murders-in-south.html
Crime scene photos of murders and attacks, extremely graphic.
Most of the murders include prolonged torture, even on children.
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Let's move the UN to South Africa or some other turd world kuntry and see how many nations want to belong. FTN.
I live not too far from the UN. The “Sessions” are an excuse for the diplomats to eat and drink in expensive restaurants and for their wives to shop in expensive stores.
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all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
You ain't met Bakkies Botha 8)
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http://concit.org/media-silence-on-the-deaths-and-torture-of-white-african-farmers/
http://williebeetge.blogspot.com/2015/11/graphic-photos-of-farm-murders-in-south.html
Crime scene photos of murders and attacks, extremely graphic.
Most of the murders include prolonged torture, even on children.
The Black man only understands two Things. The Hang mans noose & the Whip.
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/their-throats-were-slit-they-were-tortured-foreign-correspondent-investigates-south-africa-farm-attacks/news-story/55881aa12059d62a803dbf293b8b67ce (https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/their-throats-were-slit-they-were-tortured-foreign-correspondent-investigates-south-africa-farm-attacks/news-story/55881aa12059d62a803dbf293b8b67ce)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298)
The scene inside the house was chaos. A door broken with an axe. Blood everywhere.
And in the bedroom, his parents lying together, their hands tied, their throats slit, the cord of an iron tied around his mother's neck.
“My dad was lying on his back, my mother was lying face down, hands tied behind her back. My dad had a big gaping hole the size of a golf ball in his throat.
Sounds like suicide to me.
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You ain't met Bakkies Botha 8)
Guy knows how to use his head.
Nasty.
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Sounds like suicide to me.
Or a domestic accident.
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Sounds like suicide to me.
That's probably how many of the local farmers feel right now about their profession, that it's suicide.
In the above example, similar murders and torture happened to several dozen of the neighbours and thousands across the country.
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You ain't met Bakkies Botha 8)
They need to clone more Bakkies Botha's then! :D
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They need to clone more Bakkies Botha's then! :D
"That dude is one bad muthafu..."
"Shut yo mouth!"
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The media seem to not understand what one of the main fears is on land expropriation, it is the negative effect it would have on the currency, economy, businesses and property value and property rights. Which will affect everyone.
The local currency is already one of the top 3 most volatile in the world, and if land expropriation begins it will take a dive, making everyone poorer and dramatically increasing costs of everything, including food.
One only has to look at Zimbabwe to see what happened, it had the record for highest inflation in the world and weakest currency ever. Who in their right mind wants this to happen?
Also, if property rights are not protected, this would lead to disinvestment and capital flight, and all property values and sales would plummet. This would have a serious knock on effect on businesses, hitting an already straining economy hard.
And because these polices would also be illegal according to international law, there is also the risk of economic sanctions.
Looking at Zimbabwe and Venezula it looks suicidal to go this route.
And of course, there is the risk of full-blown civil war and conflict.
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if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
Conkers, you are an untraveled, ignorant dickhead. Your "leafy suburb in N London" . Oh god yes, I remember during my 4 years studying at LMU and living in the Finsbury estate, and later at the irish pub in Holloway rd, was just so worrying. The entire time I was afraid that my grammar would deteriorate into a copy of the shit I heard you and your mates speaking on the streets, and that I would walk as if I had never washed my balls. Your neighborhood is very, very tame. Please compare violent crime stats of Finsbury UK, to Hillbrow, RSA, where I worked for the last two years.
That literally as if someone had typed the following message to me: "you better watch out, cos when I wear the "my little pony" gloves, you are in my world'. It's not even a case of opinions, tuff steppa, look at the fucking stats. What you think is ruff yeh, is really , really not.
I've lived there Conker, you are so full of shit. I walked in your neighborhood and didn't have a care. I used to shit myself every time it began to get dark in Hillbrow.
BTW, do you literally kick people during combat? Are you a taekwondo or wushu dude? Please explain the approach that you would employ using only your feet as you pummeled me in your locale? I ask as I have never been quick enough to actually use a kick in a real fight, and am interested in how it's done.
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The media seem to not understand what one of the main fears is on land expropriation, it is the negative effect it would have on the currency, economy, businesses and property value and property rights. Which will affect everyone.
The local currency is already one of the top 3 most volatile in the world, and if land expropriation begins it will take a dive, making everyone poorer and dramatically increasing costs of everything, including food.
One only has to look at Zimbabwe to see what happened, it had the record for highest inflation in the world and weakest currency ever. Who in their right mind wants this to happen?
Also, if property rights are not protected, this would lead to disinvestment and capital flight, and all property values and sales would plummet. This would have a serious knock on effect on businesses, hitting an already straining economy hard.
And because these polices would also be illegal according to international law, there is also the risk of economic sanctions.
A sinking ship is far easier to take control of. This is only possible due to the fact that over the last 20 years, the education system has declined to the level where SA school kids rank about lowest in the world for math or science. Keep the crew drunk, sink the ship, take everything, get in a lifeboat.
How else do you explain away the factors you mentioned above? Who, in their right mind, would do that?
Necklacing is a thing. A community thing. To dance to. That is who would do it.
Looking at Zimbabwe and Venezula it looks suicidal to go this route.
And of course, there is the risk of full-blown civil war and conflict.
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Conkers, you are an untraveled, ignorant dickhead. Your "leafy suburb in N London" . Oh god yes, I remember during my 4 years studying at LMU and living in the Finsbury estate, and later at the irish pub in Holloway rd, was just so worrying. The entire time I was afraid that my grammar would deteriorate into a copy of the shit I heard you and your mates speaking on the streets, and that I would walk as if I had never washed my balls. Your neighborhood is very, very tame. Please compare violent crime stats of Finsbury UK, to Hillbrow, RSA, where I worked for the last two years.
That literally as if someone had typed the following message to me: "you better watch out, cos when I wear the "my little pony" gloves, you are in my world'. It's not even a case of opinions, tuff steppa, look at the fucking stats. What you think is ruff yeh, is really , really not.
I've lived there Conker, you are so full of shit. I walked in your neighborhood and didn't have a care. I used to shit myself every time it began to get dark in Hillbrow.
BTW, do you literally kick people during combat? Are you a taekwondo or wushu dude? Please explain the approach that you would employ using only your feet as you pummeled me in your locale? I ask as I have never been quick enough to actually use a kick in a real fight, and am interested in how it's done.
Conker is a piece of shit, Forget him.
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^^ Thank you, i needed that.
Just gotta chill, or I am never gonna get through the next 5 years. To be fair, I see my little family and I in the UK by end of next year.
I have to again say, that it was a god damn relief to my poor confused environmentally influenced brain to hear an established, credible world leader shed perspective on the current issue here. Thanks Donald.
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if you get dropped off on my street in a leafy suburb of n london i'll kick your ass up one side of the road and down the other for good measure. all the white SAs i've met are complete pussy boys.
Ha, Paki Plonker is back , "your" street in London ::) oh-la-la ..................
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Conker is a piece of shit, Forget him.
He keeps a bottle of blue pills by his bed. ;D
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Conker is a piece of shit, Forget him.
Agree, he was talking crap about Tommy Robinson too ..............& where is Tommy now ;D : filming Deutsche boys in Chimnitz ;D
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That's probably how many of the local farmers feel right now about their profession, that it's suicide.
In the above example, similar murders and torture happened to several dozen of the neighbours and thousands across the country.
It’s essentially what happens here in the states. Dindus riot and destroy all of their local businesses and then nobody wants to open up a business in thes areas.
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gayer than "south Africa's top diplomat" hahah oh Lord. about as diplomatic as boko haram.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1010379/south-africa-farm-seizures-cyril-ramaphosa-and-zimbabwe-robert-mugabe
There has been a rise in violent attacks against farmers in South Africa and between 2016-17, there were 74 farm murders and 638 attacks, mainly against the white farmers.
“Now, with the promise of land being given to them, unemployed thugs will probably up the number of murders considerably which will have a knock on effect in making more farmers leave the land voluntarily and even leave the country altogether just as many, including myself , did from Zimbabwe.
“Any responsible government must realise that this sort of land grab would be a disaster to the economy of the country and would only be done for that government to ingratiate itself with an unemployed, dissatisfied electorate.”
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1008034/south-africa-farm-seizures-white-farmers-land-grab-cyril-ramaphosa-donald-trump
FARM SEIZURES: Government policy could DESTROY the country, warn experts
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the people are atacking the white farms because the government has not redistributed the stolen white land at anywhere near the rate it said it would following the collapse of apartheid rule. so it's understandable that the people are now deciding to take the law into their own hands.
anyway agriculture is doing pretty well. the first quarter of 2018 SA actually posted it" best GDP figs ever for agriculture. so eveything is just fine and dandy my dear griffin.
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture
regardless, given whites history in SA no one is going to lose too much sleep because a few farmers are getting bumped off. as they say, you reap what you sow (pardon the pun)
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the people are atacking the white farms because the government has not redistributed the stolen white land at anywhere near the rate it said it would following the collapse of apartheid rule. so it's understandable that the people are now deciding to take the law into their own hands.
anyway agriculture is doing pretty well. the first quarter of 2018 SA actually posted it" best GDP figs ever for agriculture. so eveything is just fine and dandy my dear griffin.
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture
regardless, given whites history in SA no one is going to lose too much sleep because a few farmers are getting bumped off. as they say, you reap what you sow (pardon the pun)
can someone ban this piece of shit.
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can someone ban this piece of shit.
Lol I second this. Cucker is a piece of human feces. He is a fucking cockroach. Hopefully he will die a painful death one day.
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the people are atacking the white farms because the government has not redistributed the stolen white land at anywhere near the rate it said it would following the collapse of apartheid rule. so it's understandable that the people are now deciding to take the law into their own hands.
anyway agriculture is doing pretty well. the first quarter of 2018 SA actually posted it" best GDP figs ever for agriculture. so eveything is just fine and dandy my dear griffin.
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture
regardless, given whites history in SA no one is going to lose too much sleep because a few farmers are getting bumped off. as they say, you reap what you sow (pardon the pun)
You need to die cucker. Is that you looking like a red lobster in that pic? You are a piece of human excrement.You pathetic piece of shit!
Not one single tear would be shed if a real British lad broke every fucking bone in your mongrel body.
;D
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You need to die cucker. Is that you looking like a red lobster in that pic? You are a piece of human excrement.You pathetic piece of shit!
Not one single tear would be shed if a real British lad broke every fucking bone in your mongrel body.
;D
;D
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can someone ban this piece of shit.
He’s not saying anything that you wouldn’t hear from your typical useless sociology professor in any liberal American University. It’s actually good to have a guy like him here, as you know how the typical Leftist is thinking.
Their general view of the world is as follows:
Hold “Oppressor” groups (white males) to impossible standards and hold everyone else to no standards at all.
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my oh my , multiple fagg0ts melting down harder than an icepop in the sahara in this thread
the truth will set you free fagg0ts 8)
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He’s not saying anything that you wouldn’t hear from your typical professor in any University. It’s actually good to have a guy like him here, as you know how the typical person of wisodm, rationale and objectivity thinks.
QFT !
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my oh my , multiple fagg0ts melting down harder than an icepop in the sahara in this thread
the truth will set you free fagg0ts 8)
No one is melting, we just think you are a piece of shit. A scumbag.
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He’s not saying anything that you wouldn’t hear from your typical useless sociology professor in any liberal American University. It’s actually good to have a guy like him here, as you know how the typical Leftist is thinking.
Their general view of the world is as follows:
Hold “Oppressor” groups (white males) to impossible standards and hold everyone else to no standards at all.
Brown trash is what he is. Hell he aint even black. A Brown turd Color. what my dog shits.
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Conker is fucking funny and apparently quite hated. The reap what you sow bit is funny, it's so hard to get some veggies here now. next year, the pinch for food is gonna start, which ups the value of the hot dogs and tShirts given out at voting rallies.
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Like anything in S. Africa even matters, shit-hole of
peace piss... Good to have Conkers opinion on stuff though,makes for interesting threads of back & forth.
He doesn't waver in his beliefs, etc.
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Like anything in S. Africa even matters, shit-hole of peace piss... Good to have Conkers opinion on stuff though,makes for interesting threads of back & forth.
He doesn't waver in his beliefs, etc.
A piece of shit is still a piece of shit. It's thanks to scum like him we have Problems in Europe. If he thinks it's OK to torture White Farmers & kill them. send the half cast shit Skin turd over there.
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If People like him have These beliefs, why are they in Europe? what do they want in our Lands.
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Like anything in S. Africa even matters, shit-hole of peace piss... Good to have Conkers opinion on stuff though,makes for interesting threads of back & forth.
He doesn't waver in his beliefs, etc.
It matters to the people who live there.
And also for people and companies who have invested there.
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It matters to the people who live there.
And also for people and companies who have invested there.
I am sure he would like to see his wife & Daughters being raped & killed by N savages. Mutilated while Living & burned. Any guy like this Conker guy who finds this good/OK is a rat, a piece of filth. Left Liberal shit half cast turd.
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It matters to the people who live there.
And also for people and companies who have invested there.
::)
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Like anything in S. Africa even matters, shit-hole of peace piss... Good to have Conkers opinion on stuff though,makes for interesting threads of back & forth.
He doesn't waver in his beliefs, etc.
you're on the same lowest level as 'conker' . . .
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If People like him have These beliefs, why are they in Europe? what do they want in our Lands.
They want out of their own miserable shit hole countries. However, they also want to turn their new country into the same thing as the place that they left.
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They want out of their own miserable shit hole countries. However, they also want to turn their new country into the same thing as the place that they left.
Yea. Let's catch us some more witches including Trump Jr. and milk toast Kushner!
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the people are atacking the white farms because the government has not redistributed the stolen white land at anywhere near the rate it said it would following the collapse of apartheid rule. so it's understandable that the people are now deciding to take the law into their own hands.
anyway agriculture is doing pretty well. the first quarter of 2018 SA actually posted it" best GDP figs ever for agriculture. so eveything is just fine and dandy my dear griffin.
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture
regardless, given whites history in SA no one is going to lose too much sleep because a few farmers are getting bumped off. as they say, you reap what you sow (pardon the pun)
Why give land to blacks?So they can just have more area to rape and kill?the white farmers are farming and being productive blacks can’t be productive for the most part.without white people there would basically be nothing but 3rd world shut holes with rampant starvation,murder and disease.
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Why give land to blacks?So they can just have more area to rape and kill?the white farmers are farming and being productive blacks can’t be productive for the most part.without white people there would basically be nothing but 3rd world shut holes with rampant starvation,murder and disease.
Accountability is only applicable to white people. When blacks in groups without exception turn everything they touch to shit it’s never their fault.
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This is what the the experts say:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenzomontanari/2018/08/31/south-africa-land-seizures-begin-economic-decline-accelerates/#7b4c641c6365
South Africa Land Seizures Begin, Economic Decline Accelerates
The defense of private property rights is fundamental to protecting personal liberties in any market-based economy as pointed out in Article 17 from the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights: “(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.”
In addition, South Africa’s own Land and Agricultural Development Bank warned that a standard clause attached to its loans amounting to $2.8 billion requires it to repay everything immediately if the government begins expropriations without compensation—which would force it to default. An April report by the World Bank advised that weakening property rights and institutions were behind an increase in capital flight, social fragility, and pervasive corruption.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Seizing white owned farm land and redistributing it to Black farmers does not equate to equality of opportunity or ensure that it will be “properly and usefully utilized”. It is a government power grab that ensures the poor will become poorer as opportunities diminish.
Hugo Chavez and current Venezuelan President, Nicolas Maduro, who claimed expropriation of land from the rich and redistribution to the poor would yield greater prosperity and well-being. It has resulted in inflation above 40,000 percent, 87 percent of people living below the poverty land, massive food shortages, all despite that the country sits on top of the world’s largest oil reserves. Venezuelan economist Sary Levy-Cariente warns “since 2004 weakened property rights advanced a series of rural and urban land confiscations… and now is suffering from an extreme case of scarcity and hyperinflation.”
Black South Africans already have access to land restitution. The Restitution of Land Rights Act entitles all people and communities who had land forcibly taken from them to have it returned or to be given compensation. According to the World Bank, by 2016 more than 80 percent of claims were finalized, and 90 percent of the time claimants chose compensation. Simply, the government has missed its target to redistribute 30 percent of arable to land to black South Africans – because black South Africans don’t want it.
Public opinion in South Africa also disagree with pitting land reform as a central issue. The most recent Afrobarometer poll found only 1 percent (rounded up) agreed that land was one of the three “most important problems facing this country that the government should address.” By far, rural and urban dwellers, both men and women, agreed the most important problem was unemployment.
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I am sure he would like to see his wife & Daughters being raped & killed by N savages. Mutilated while Living & burned. Any guy like this Conker guy who finds this good/OK is a rat, a piece of filth. Left Liberal shit half cast turd.
Agreed. I wouldn't even wish this on my worst enemies and they condone it on entire population groups. Murder, torture, rape.
Rape and torture of family members in front of each other by the attackers before they murder the victims. This is the last thing they see before they die.
For many of the left, this type of behaviour and horror is justified and even encouraged.
Says a lot about them.
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my oh my , multiple fagg0ts melting down harder than an icepop in the sahara in this thread
the truth will set you free fagg0ts 8)
Hey PAKI , screw your allah :D
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So who's going to grow all the food?
Answer: We will.
That continent has been a constant charity case for as long as I've been alive, which is no small amount of time. There's always some fucking crisis there. If Africa had to reap what it sowed in terms of food, water, medical care, and war, I'd guess that half the people currently alive there wouldn't be.
Don't intervene to harm. Don't intervene to help. Just good luck with your shit, Africa.
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Their general view of the world is as follows:
Hold “Oppressor” groups (white males) to impossible standards and hold everyone else to no standards at all.
that is completely the reverse of what's happened in SA. whites came to SA, enslaved africans, pushed a 90% majority population onto less than 10% of their own land, refused them voting rights, murdered dissenters at will and that's just scratching the surface of the evil committed.
since blacks have democratically taken control of the country they have (in general) held themselves to immeasurably higher standards than during white rule. whites can still vote, the majority of white owned assets have not been confiscated(even though mostly gained by exploiting africans and their natural resources), there are no laws restricting freedom of movement. all of these rights were not afforded to blacks during white rule.
and then you have whingy afrikaner fk boys like griffin whining on about how badly whites have it in post apartheid SA. instead of being rightly grateful to the black population for treating them a million times better than when roles were reversed.
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plonker is a muslim white hating paki
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that is completely the reverse of what's happened in SA. whites came to SA, enslaved africans, pushed a 90% majority population onto less than 10% of their own land, refused them voting rights, murdered dissenters at will and that's just scratching the surface of the evil committed.
since blacks have democratically taken control of the country they have (in general) held themselves to immeasurably higher standards than during white rule. whites can still vote, the majority of white owned assets have not been confiscated(even though mostly gained by exploiting africans and their natural resources), there are no laws restricting freedom of movement. all of these rights were not afforded to blacks during white rule.
and then you have whingy afrikaner fk boys like griffin whining on about how badly whites have it in post apartheid SA. instead of being rightly grateful to the black population for treating them a million times better than when roles were reversed.
BS. Fake news. What whites really should do is start oppressing blacks. Who ever told you life was supposed to be fair? Since when should whites really care what blacks think? Whites should just take what is rightfully theirs. This planet belongs to whites and it ain't big enough for everyone. There is also not enough oxygen for everyone so I suggest you kill yourself so more worthy organisms can benefit from the oxygen you are stealing on a daily basis.
You are useless cucker. It offends me that scum like you are even allowed on UK's soil.You don't belong there you fucking mongrel.
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How did Whites treat blacks any worse than the blacks who sold their own people down the river into slavery?
And in the United States, white on black crime is virtually nonexistent. It’s blacks who do the overwhelming majority of the killing of other blacks.
Leftists pretend that this inconvenient truth does not exist.
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plonker is a muslim white hating paki
A Paki is the worst form of filth to be . Bet he wipes his ass with his Hand.
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Land reform is a fine idea, despite having no validity in terms of international law. Here is my take, and it will be repeated, to my extreme detriment:
Have the land. Take it. But just hang on, as I need to dump 5 million tons of super liquid concrete down this mine, flatten this farm, and I wish, dynamite this road and city.
It would be a totally fair trade, if the aim was to return to the original nguni tradition of moving through Africa following cows. It's not. Everyone will trade any land for a nice looking car, watch. Claiming African traditional ancestral rights, that were lost to the British in a recognized war treaty, to inherit white monopolistic capitalist constructs for oneself, never mind the tribes, in not what Mr Mandela had in mind.
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my oh my , multiple fagg0ts melting down harder than an icepop in the sahara in this thread
the truth will set you free fagg0ts 8)
Projecting much, are there things?
Also, to the folks calling him a Paki. He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib. He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.
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Projecting much, are there things?
Also, to the folks calling him a Paki. He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib. He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.
He just can’t handle that white culture is more advanced and more civilized than the culture of his ancestors. Of course he’ll come back with some nonsense about how whites killed more people than blacks. The only reason for that is because whites are more industrious, creative and inventive, and produced better weapons. It’s a lot easier to kill someone with a bomber or a tank than with a rock or a spear.
Bottom line: Africa is a shit hole and if whites were to leave to the point where there wasn’t a single one left there, Africa would stagnate and be an even bigger shit hole until eternity.
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Projecting much, are there things?
Also, to the folks calling him a Paki. He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib. He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.
' afro carib ' that explains everything . . .
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Conker, I really recommend you to watch this video because it has some history facts in the beginning as well: &t=3675s
Seeing white people as "oppressors" is a very convenient excuse for stealing, murdering and in the end running the SA to its knees economically and morally.
So called "black history" in SA region is very bloody in reality...
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South Africa now in a recession.
Agriculture down - 30 %, which was cited by economists as the main reason.
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Yeah, unfortunately those figures are pretty true, especially the agriculture ones. Certain veg is already scarce. Just the start
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And according to the Financial Times, at least half of the currency loss of 19 % to the US dollar this year has been from the land expropriation 'debate'.
So that will also increase prices of food and everything else.
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If you're too stupid to grow your own food, you will never grow your own economy. SA needs to grow the fuck up. But they won't. Too bad Wakanda won't loan them some technology...
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If you're too stupid to grow your own food, you will never grow your own economy. SA needs to grow the fuck up. But they won't. Too bad Wakanda won't loan them some technology...
The decline in agriculture is partly because of a drought in a region of the country, but also due to many farmers deciding not to plant crops as they don't want to risk investing in land and produce which could be taken away. Many would also have to take a loan for the next season's crops, so they see it as too risky.
The same is also happening to businesses, many are opting not to reinvest their funds into the business but rather holding on to the cash.
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The decline in agriculture is partly because of a drought in a region of the country, but also due to many farmers deciding not to plant crops as they don't want to risk investing in land and produce which could be taken away. Many would also have to take a loan for the next season's crops, so they see it as too risky.
The same is also happening to businesses, many are opting not to reinvest their funds into the business but rather holding on to the cash.
I cannot fault them that. I did read that some SA farmers have asked to immigrate to Russia and are willing to par for farmland. If so, who can blame them?
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I cannot fault them that. I did read that some SA farmers have asked to immigrate to Russia and are willing to par for farmland. If so, who can blame them?
Already 15 000 farmers are apparently planning to go to Russia, though they would have to lease the land.
There are now only 35 000 commercial farmers in SA from 120 000 in 1994.
The government also already owns almost 4500 farms, which they have not given to anyone and which lie undeveloped or no longer producing crops. They are also the biggest owners of land.
This is all just a smokescreen to win elections and hold on to political power.
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Already 15 000 farmers are apparently planning to go to Russia, though they would have to lease the land.
There are now only 35 000 commercial farmers in SA from 120 000 in 1994.
The government also already owns almost 4500 farms, which they have not given to anyone and which lie undeveloped or no longer producing crops. They are also the biggest owners of land.
This is all just a smokescreen to win elections and hold on to political power.
Sounds like Democraps from the USA have helped to take over SA and return it to poverty. I feel bad for those of any skin color that worked hard to make their lands better only to have them destroyed in the name of artificial fairness. I also hope the farmers leave and do well in Russia.
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South Africa now in a recession.
Agriculture down - 30 %, which was cited by economists as the main reason.
you are full of sh1t my dear griffin. firstly, agriculture makes up only a tiny fraction of the SA economy, less than 3%. so "economists" saying this is the "main reason" for recession are as moronic as yourself.
"The importance of the agricultural sector in the South African economy is often stressed by farmers and agricultural industry organisations. The reality, however, is that the sector has constituted less than 3% of the economy since 2005 (DAS, 2012)."
https://agbiz.co.za/uploads/documents/careers/13_04-thesis_jan_c_greyling_published.pdf
secondly, white farm murders are at their lowest level since the end of apartheid.
"Murders of farmers in South Africa at 20-year low, research shows
Forty-seven farmers reportedly killed in 2017-18, consistent with decline since peak in 1998 when 153 died"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/murders-of-farmers-in-south-africa-at-20-year-low-research-shows
and thirdly SA agriculture has been doing very well in recent times. GDP from agriculture reached it's highest level ever in the last quarter of 2017. the recent downward fluctuation has been due to drought. another common occupational hazard for african farmers.
"GDP From Agriculture in South Africa averaged 59144.96 ZAR Million from 1993 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 84820.92 ZAR Million in the fourth quarter of 2017 and a record low of 33530.55 ZAR Million in the first quarter of 1993."
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture
please let me know if you have any more BS that needs correcting.
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You do realize that there is a total media blackout and manipulation on the subject of murders of whites in SA? And going by the statistic of government that pushes the agenda of white persecution on a daily basis is pretty moronic.
It is like trusting Venezuela government with its reports and China regarding human rights, freedom of speech, belief,...
SA is a total shithole because it is run by incomopetent, corrupt and immoral people supported by masses of quite primitive people.
But facts are racist nowadays because we don`t need science and economic statistics but feelings...
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And regarding agriculture sustainability of SA, if you lose majority of only people capable of providing food for your country, it doesn't end well.
https://www.rt.com/business/432375-russia-south-africa-farmers/
I guess farmers leaving is just a myth and that some western countries have denied them as refugees is because there is no bias toward whites.
There is nothing to emulate in SA that can be implemented in the west unless you want to get rid of the west itself...
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firstly, the figs i quoted for farm murders are not from the government. they are figs from a collective of SA agriculture organisations, which happen to be predominantly white, as whites make up the majority of the agriculture sector.
there is no media blackout. the ANC have announced a policy that allows them to remove white farmers from stolen land without compensation (trump style nationalism). western media has tried to spin and sentationalise this into a story saying this has led to a surge in farm murders. in reality that's not the case. this issue now is getting more western media coverage now than when farm murders were at much higher levels. there's just little interest in the west.
btw the biggest earning SA agricultural products are luxury items like citrus, wine and grapes and these are generally exported. the staples like rice, corn and wheat etc are mainly imported. and as highlighted in my previous post agriculture makes up less than 3% of total gdp anyway. so even if every last white farmer should decide to up and leave, SA will be just fine.
and why should white SA farmers be offered refugee status? they are living on stolen land, they can move anywhere else in SA and they will be under no threat of persecution or physical harm. so they are not genuine asylum seekers.
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Wow, stolen land... big news, blacks in SA are there because of stolen land and murders of previous blacks.
Second, nationalization is a domain of communism and socialism as seen currently in Venezuela but was done in Cuba, China, North Korea, all European countries after ww2 that succumbed to communist rule and the list goes on. I really don`t know where in your imagination you found Trumps administration being communist. SA government is just that as was the murderer Mandela, a person who should never be left from prison let alone in charge of a country.
Whites are being murdered, government supports that, farmers are moving out and there is a hush hush policy about it. If the whites didn`t own the land as by your logic then nationalization wouldn`t be needed because they can not own the stolen property.
I have talked with people from SA telling me from first hand experience while you bring guardian as source of murder statistics.
Fact remains, only reason why SA was ever on world map was because westerners were in charge of it for a while.
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nationalistic populism, this is what the ANC new land reform policy is about ...a leaf from trump's book.
at the birth of democracy in SA the ANC promised to return 30% of stolen white farmland back into black hands within 10 years...after nearly 25 years only 10% has been returned. that's the reason for this policy...electioneering. the ANC have been far too lax with redistributing stolen white land than the general population would like.
so if you think it was OK for whites to steal land from blacks because as you say they stole it from other blacks anyway...it sounds like you believe in the law of the jungle(?) so why do have a problem with blacks "stealing" back land from whites now? ethnocentric hypocrisy much
also it's not guardian figures on farm murders its figs from a predominantly white farming collective. the guardian just reported those figures.
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nationalistic populism, this is what the ANC new land reform policy is about ...a leaf from trump's book.
at the birth of democracy in SA the ANC promised to return 30% of stolen white farmland back into black hands within 10 years...after nearly 25 years only 10% has been returned. that's the reason for this policy...electioneering. the ANC have been far too lax with redistributing stolen white land than the general population would like.
so if you think it was OK for whites to steal land from blacks because as you say they stole it from other blacks anyway...it sounds like you believe in the law of the jungle(?) so why do have a problem with blacks "stealing" back land from whites now? ethnocentric hypocrisy much
also it's not guardian figures on farm murders its figs from a predominantly white farming collective. the guardian just reported those figures.
fuck off you Turd.
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that is completely the reverse of what's happened in SA. whites came to SA, enslaved africans, pushed a 90% majority population onto less than 10% of their own land, refused them voting rights, murdered dissenters at will and that's just scratching the surface of the evil committed.
since blacks have democratically taken control of the country they have (in general) held themselves to immeasurably higher standards than during white rule. whites can still vote, the majority of white owned assets have not been confiscated(even though mostly gained by exploiting africans and their natural resources), there are no laws restricting freedom of movement. all of these rights were not afforded to blacks during white rule.
and then you have whingy afrikaner fk boys like griffin whining on about how badly whites have it in post apartheid SA. instead of being rightly grateful to the black population for treating them a million times better than when roles were reversed.
If the White man never brought Black People back to the UK, you would not be here you half cast Baboon.
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firstly, the figs i quoted for farm murders are not from the government. they are figs from a collective of SA agriculture organisations, which happen to be predominantly white, as whites make up the majority of the agriculture sector.
there is no media blackout. the ANC have announced a policy that allows them to remove white farmers from stolen land without compensation (trump style nationalism). western media has tried to spin and sentationalise this into a story saying this has led to a surge in farm murders. in reality that's not the case. this issue now is getting more western media coverage now than when farm murders were at much higher levels. there's just little interest in the west.
btw the biggest earning SA agricultural products are luxury items like citrus, wine and grapes and these are generally exported. the staples like rice, corn and wheat etc are mainly imported. and as highlighted in my previous post agriculture makes up less than 3% of total gdp anyway. so even if every last white farmer should decide to up and leave, SA will be just fine.
and why should white SA farmers be offered refugee status? they are living on stolen land, they can move anywhere else in SA and they will be under no threat of persecution or physical harm. so they are not genuine asylum seekers.
Aren't you living on stolen land as well in UK? The treasonous government gave it to you? Some farmers recently bought the land after 1994 under black rule. So it is not stolen.
Why are you still alive? I thought I told you to kill yourself cucker! Listen better next time will you?! We need to free up some oxygen which you are consuming / stealing on a daily basis.
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If the White man never brought Black People back to the UK, you would not be here you half cast Baboon.
;D
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Simple answer is, white people brought laws, before it was law of the jungle as you say. Now things are going south with cultural war inspired by communism.
All we found out was that some people have hatred for the western ideals just because they are completely incapable of coming close to the standards the west brought to the world.
Lots of countries would be better of importing SA farmers than primitive savagery tribes called mohammedans with only ideal they have is a slave god and his psychopath prophet without a prophecy called mohammed and his life written down as an example for them to live by.
There is a parallel to islam and communism and first one being freedom of individual is forbidden and your life has to be controlled and you have to submit to the system of insane ideology.
The other is for the system and ideology to be implemented there has to be bloodshed and violent enforcement of it.
Try and read or listen to Milton Friedman a bit, maybe Hayek later on so you understand why western way is best way.
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Here's an article by an African-American economist who visited SA from the 1970's - 1990's.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/09/05/south-africa-will-go-the-way-of-zimbabwe-if-it-doesnt-change-course/
South Africa Will Go the Way of Zimbabwe If It Doesn’t Change Course
Here's an excerpt:
Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, Somalia, and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, including being hacked to death, boiled in oil, set on fire, and dismembered. Kenny said that if as many elephants, zebras, and lions were as ruthlessly slaughtered, the world’s leftists would be in a tizzy.
Ghanaian economist George Ayittey expressed a similar complaint in his book “Africa Betrayed”: “White rulers in South Africa could be condemned, but not black African leaders guilty of the same political crimes.”
Moeletsi Mbeki, a brother of former South African President Thabo Mbeki’s and deputy chairman of the South African Institute of International Affairs, an independent think tank based at the University of the Witwatersrand, said in 2004 that Africa was in a spiral of decline. “The average African is poorer than during the age of colonialism,” he said.
Zimbabwe, South Africa’s northern neighbor formerly called Rhodesia, was southern Africa’s breadbasket. That was prior to the confiscation of nearly 6,000 large white-owned commercial farms during the 1990s. By the turn of the century, Zimbabwe was threatened with mass starvation and was begging for food.
Added to that tragedy, Zimbabwe experienced history’s second-highest inflation rate. It reached 79.6 billion percent in mid-November 2008. (In 1946, Hungary experienced the world’s highest inflation rate, 41.9 quadrillion percent.)
South Africa leads in mining, food production, and critical infrastructure, such as power production and railroading, in southern Africa. But it’s going the same way as Zimbabwe, spelling disaster for the entire southern part of Africa.
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Here's an article by an African-American economist who visited SA from the 1970's - 1990's.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/09/05/south-africa-will-go-the-way-of-zimbabwe-if-it-doesnt-change-course/
South Africa Will Go the Way of Zimbabwe If It Doesn’t Change Course
Here's an excerpt:
Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, Somalia, and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, including being hacked to death, boiled in oil, set on fire, and dismembered. Kenny said that if as many elephants, zebras, and lions were as ruthlessly slaughtered, the world’s leftists would be in a tizzy.
Ghanaian economist George Ayittey expressed a similar complaint in his book “Africa Betrayed”: “White rulers in South Africa could be condemned, but not black African leaders guilty of the same political crimes.”
Moeletsi Mbeki, a brother of former South African President Thabo Mbeki’s and deputy chairman of the South African Institute of International Affairs, an independent think tank based at the University of the Witwatersrand, said in 2004 that Africa was in a spiral of decline. “The average African is poorer than during the age of colonialism,” he said.
Zimbabwe, South Africa’s northern neighbor formerly called Rhodesia, was southern Africa’s breadbasket. That was prior to the confiscation of nearly 6,000 large white-owned commercial farms during the 1990s. By the turn of the century, Zimbabwe was threatened with mass starvation and was begging for food.
Added to that tragedy, Zimbabwe experienced history’s second-highest inflation rate. It reached 79.6 billion percent in mid-November 2008. (In 1946, Hungary experienced the world’s highest inflation rate, 41.9 quadrillion percent.)
South Africa leads in mining, food production, and critical infrastructure, such as power production and railroading, in southern Africa. But it’s going the same way as Zimbabwe, spelling disaster for the entire southern part of Africa.
This is of course common sense. Now, who will they look to help them out and for money? You know the answer.
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you people are so fkin ignorant you deserve a medal. SA is not reliant on farming. it's GDP output has tripled since the end of apartheid. along with nigeria it is the leading african economy. the white farmers are of little significance(other than as an election tool) they can leave, they can stay, they can get butchered, whatever the fk they like. SA will continue to move forward regardless.
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SA is not the country it was under white people - it is going downhill, Arnold was right saying country will go to shit once the blacks get ahold of it. Rotten and forgotten...
DION NISSENBAUM: Sure. I spoke with Rick Wayne a few weeks ago and he’s another African body builder who works here in the United States as black body builder. And he is actually been fairly close friend of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s over the decades. And met him when he was a young man who was a fairly staunch defender of the Apartheid system in South Africa. Mr. Wayne told me that Arnold Schwarzenegger told him that he believed that if the white regime turned the country over to the blacks they would run it into the ground. Now, I did actually speak with Robby Robinson last week about these allegations, which I think are more disturbing. And at this point I would like to say that I have yet to find people that can verify that story that apparently happened in a banquet room with a large number of people. So if true, I do think that is disturbing. At this point the people that I have spoken with that were also at that event have challenged his claim.
Maybe some statistics wouldn`t hurt either:
http://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/analysts-advice-south-africans-to-spend-wisely-following-recession/
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SA is not the country it was under white people - it is going downhill, Arnold was right saying country will go to shit once the blacks get ahold of it. Rotten and forgotten...
DION NISSENBAUM: Sure. I spoke with Rick Wayne a few weeks ago and he’s another African body builder who works here in the United States as black body builder. And he is actually been fairly close friend of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s over the decades. And met him when he was a young man who was a fairly staunch defender of the Apartheid system in South Africa. Mr. Wayne told me that Arnold Schwarzenegger told him that he believed that if the white regime turned the country over to the blacks they would run it into the ground. Now, I did actually speak with Robby Robinson last week about these allegations, which I think are more disturbing. And at this point I would like to say that I have yet to find people that can verify that story that apparently happened in a banquet room with a large number of people. So if true, I do think that is disturbing. At this point the people that I have spoken with that were also at that event have challenged his claim.
Maybe some statistics wouldn`t hurt either:
http://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/analysts-advice-south-africans-to-spend-wisely-following-recession/
Rick Wayne is Caribbean, not African.
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Conker. SA is not going forward, or prospering, or whatever the fuck other term you may have. We are doing very, very badly for a long time now, and food is expensive and about to become more so, to a scary extent. I have no idea what our esport capacity as an agricultural nation is, but i think it may be low enough that your proposed portion of the GDP is correct. We all still need to eat here, and are a bit worried about shit. Not just us, white cappeeteeleest monopoleests, everyone. I have no idea if you believe your utopian view of this, I really hope not. It is nowhere like that. your stats are shit, we are one of the poorest performing countries in africa, are being raped by politicians so evil it is scary, every-fucking-one is worried, and soon, I shit you not, we will be on food aid, from imperialist devils.
Play the long game. Two years. Come back to this thread and review your predictions.
In other matters, holy fuck I am impressed by the depths of understanding that I read on this shit on getbig. Literally, there are levels of analysis that are not even touched on in our popular press and chinese internet
Oh, Conker. Lots of bleck pipool are going to die. Like every encounter here before. Do you have any idea how many battles the ANC actually won during the border war, during which 2 million cubans and russians assisted? None. All those old boers, are still around. Personally, I am fucking keen as hell for shit to go down, just worried about my family a bit away. But otherwise, please, bring the dance, its been a while since my feet were in blood.
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i'm not naive enough to think SA is some kind of utopia, i'm well aware that in places it's very dangerous with very high crime levels. but if it's a choice between the apartheid system that went before and the ANC the latter is obviously a zillion times better for the majority.
and whatever you may think, SA is in the top two economies in africa and even per capita it is in the top 2 or 3. it may well be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back but since the end of apartheid the country has come on leaps and bounds and regardless of all the doom and gloom stories it will continue to steadily progress.
ok, lets revisit this thread in 2 years time and see what's up then .i doubt much will have changed in that time, and then lets revisit it again in 10 years and see where things are then.
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Yeah, sounds like they’re doing great over there:
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/unemployment-rate
South Africa Jobless Rate Rises to 27.2% in Q2
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for a developing country that's not an unusually high level.
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If you look at the Historical data , unemployment is on a 10 year uptrend. Hard to take anything positive out of that. And then there’s this:
https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-09-04/south-africa-s-rand-extends-decline-as-economy-enters-recession?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQGCAEoATgA#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=visible&paddingTop=54&p2r=0&horizontalScrolling=0&csi=1&aoh=15362667134591&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Famp%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2018-09-04%2Fsouth-africa-s-rand-extends-decline-as-economy-enters-recession&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=swipe%2CnavigateTo%2Ccid%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl
Rand Tumbles With Bonds as S. Africa Recession Hits Markets
September 4, 2018, 5:37 AM EDT
Currency weakens as much as 3.4 percent; CDS spreads jump
GDP contracted an annualized 0.7 percent in the second quarter
“Equities, bonds, rands... It’s awful,” said Abri du Plessis, a portfolio manager at Gryphon Asset Management Ltd. in Cape Town. “I’m struggling to see any light. There is now a distinct possibility that there will be a downgrade by year-end and we won’t see the end of it for South Africa’s markets.”
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This is of course common sense. Now, who will they look to help them out and for money? You know the answer.
Please tell us, Uncle Tom.
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If you look at the Historical data , unemployment is on a 10 year uptrend. Hard to take anything positive out of that. And then there’s this:
https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-09-04/south-africa-s-rand-extends-decline-as-economy-enters-recession?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQGCAEoATgA#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=visible&paddingTop=54&p2r=0&horizontalScrolling=0&csi=1&aoh=15362667134591&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Famp%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2018-09-04%2Fsouth-africa-s-rand-extends-decline-as-economy-enters-recession&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=swipe%2CnavigateTo%2Ccid%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl
Rand Tumbles With Bonds as S. Africa Recession Hits Markets
September 4, 2018, 5:37 AM EDT
Currency weakens as much as 3.4 percent; CDS spreads jump
GDP contracted an annualized 0.7 percent in the second quarter
“Equities, bonds, rands... It’s awful,” said Abri du Plessis, a portfolio manager at Gryphon Asset Management Ltd. in Cape Town. “I’m struggling to see any light. There is now a distinct possibility that there will be a downgrade by year-end and we won’t see the end of it for South Africa’s markets.”
Unemployment is now the highest in history.
If there's another downgrade by the ratings agencies, the currency will be in junk status. This would mean the cost of government debt significantly increases and certain international investments would no longer be able to be invested in the country due to junk status.
In 6 months, the currency has already lost 30 % of its value.
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"but if it's a choice between the apartheid system that went before and the ANC the latter is obviously a zillion times better for the majority.
and whatever you may think, SA is in the top two economies in africa and even per capita it is in the top 2 or 3. it may well be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back but since the end of apartheid the country has come on leaps and bounds and regardless of all the doom and gloom stories it will continue to steadily progress."
Conker, I agree with you on that, the country is a better place since apartheid was scrapped. As I have said before, I knew at age 10 that what was happening was very wrong, and said so from then on. I returned to SA full of the hope that was valid, sort of , at that time. The country is doing well, in African terms, except I think a good few are not in recession. However, it should be a hell of a lot better. The issue here is not: white monopolist wealth......its how many godamn sickeningly poor, like you cant understand, black people there are right now, I think , maybe more than apartheid. It should not be like that, and if it is, the publicly visible corruption should not be happening. It is evil. It's not even racist, it's directed at everyone, thoughtlessly, based on personal goals that are nowhere near socialist. Man, almost every one of the guys you hear about, Julius, Thabo, Cyril....they are wearing about 300 000 rand of watch and suit during each sound clip. I knew it was wrong, I wanted to change it, the same way I should want to change it now, but I am old.
I am suprised I am saying this., and am probably just shattered after a long ass Friday, but you seem like an individual who presents what seem like researched, considered arguments. Apart from the fact that you would kick my ass down a street, which we both know wouldn't happen as if we were ever to meet we would end up getting drunk in heated political debate and then fighting. You have handled the vitriol of this board, mine included, with some fair calmness, sometimes, in some recent answers. It also seems that you have your own insight into the situation which you expect to be able to present without personal attack. I appreciate that, as it is discussion and often leads to me learning shit.
Have a fairly well researched link. If you don't approve of the authors, please be aware that it is a lot better that hearing about : white mans lightning, or how the recent drought were the effects of white monopolist capital and apartheid:
https://www.afriforum.co.za/wp-content/uploads/20180423-AfriForum-Land-and-land-reform-Draft-2-compressed-1.pdf
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When the abbreviated version of this was presented to parliament during public hearing, the reaction was quite emotionally based, there was actually no refutation of any of the presented facts (except to call it hogwash). The speaker replied that all the arguments put before him were strawman argument. At which point, I shit you not, an honourable member stood up and raised an objection at being called a straw man.
Just saying, this is the 10 minute presentation:
Presentation to Constitutional Review Committee
6 September 2018
Ernst Roets
Fifteen years ago, the South African government accepted David Rakgase’s offer to buy the farm that he was renting from them. To this very day the South African government has been unable to transfer ownership to his name.
Earlier this year Akkerland Boerdery was served with an ejectment order by the Minister of Rural Development and Land Reform and told that they had seven days to vacate their farms at a compensation of 10% of market value. This, to further Chinese interests in South Africa.
This week, AfriForum had to obtain an urgent application in the High Court to compel the South African Police Service to act against land invaders on the land of a Gauteng farmer, Dr. Motodi Maserumule. The Police simply refused to open Maserumule’s case.
Mr Chairperson, expropriation without compensation or below market value shows disrespect for property rights as a basic human right. I only have ten minutes, so I will keep it short and to the point. In my presentation, I will:
Refer to the ideological goals of the ANC alliance;
Dispel the historical fallacy that serves as motivation for expropriation without compensation;
Explain why willing buyer, willing seller has failed;
Why this policy would be catastrophic; and
Why the so-called “hunger for land” is a fabrication of the ANC/EFF alliance.
NDR
The ANC and its alliance partners are rooted in Marxism-Leninism. According to its own strategy and tactics documents, the movement believes in a national democratic revolution, which implies that as much power must be centralised in the state as is permissible by the balance of forces, so that the state mechanisms can be used to further the goals of the revolution, which is to move South Africa down the path of socialism, eventually to create a communist utopia. That is why disastrous policies like those of the Soviet Union, Communist China, Cuba, Cambodia, Zimbabwe and Venezuela are frequently venerated by the ANC/EFF alliance, while the policies that have created the world’s wealthiest economies and most harmonious societies are depicted as racist, oppressive policies.
This is why upcoming black farmers are complaining that they do not get support from government. This is why already 23% of people in South Africa live on state-owned land and half of them are complaining about the quality of this land. This is why only 6% of all land that was acquired by the current government has since been transferred from state ownership to private ownership.
History
It is regularly argued – and especially in this House – that “whites stole the land”. This is the single biggest historical fallacy of our time. There are three ways in which white people acquired land, namely:
The settlement on empty land;
The purchase of land through treaties, cooperation and agreements; and
The most controversial, but least significant, by conquest.
Then, of course, there was legislation such as the Natives Land Act of 1913 and the Group Areas Act of 1950. These injustices must be dealt with, but they must be dealt with specifically, not used to construct grand false narratives or to advance new racist policies.
If, however, it is your argument – as we have heard – that ownership of land by whites should be regarded as illegitimate, because Africa is the black people’s continent, then you should be prepared to join forces with right-wing fascists in Europe who argue that Europe is the white people’s continent and that there is no place for black people in Europe. If you argue that white people in Africa shouldn’t receive equal treatment, but the rights of black people in Europe should be protected, then you are nothing other than a racist hypocrite.
Corruption
Government has already spent more than R50 billion on land reform and has very little to show for it. The Motlanthe Commission found that a major barrier to effective land reform is government inefficiency and corruption. About 5% of agricultural land is available in the market for purchase every year. If government had only spent that money on purchasing farms, it would have bought out half of the country’s farms by now. But this approach wouldn’t comply with the ideals of the National Democratic Revolution, which is why the ANC/EFF alliance prefers a government bureaucracy through which it can exploit complicated processes to enrich itself at the expense of the people.
Economics
The debate about land reform comes at a time when government could least afford to lose investor confidence. Investment certainty leads to capital accumulation, which leads to more employment and higher productivity. An assault on private property leads to investment uncertainty and to economic decline.
In 2015, for the first time on record, South Africans began investing more abroad than foreigners were investing in South Africa – a sure sign of a loss of investor confidence.
Claiming that property rights would be eroded and that economic freedom would be compromised in a way that would enhance economic development is like claiming that KFC would be expanded in a way that would ensure that chickens would prosper.
Those who are calling for the erosion of property rights have not been able to provide any evidence on why a more aggressive implementation of an already failed policy would lead to anything other than a more aggressive failure. This is Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. Christopher Hitchens said that whatever is asserted without evidence should be dismissed without evidence. We are now being called to comment on expropriation without compensation despite the glaring fact that no evidence has been provided as to why this would yield positive results in the first place.
But, the gratification that the ANC/EFF alliance gets from hurting the middle class and the wealthy outweighs the desire to uplift poor people. The problem, however, is that expropriation and the consequential economic collapse will hurt poor people more than wealthy people who will simply leave the country, in which case you would not only have created a food shortage for all South Africa, but in which case you would also lose your tax base.
Hunger for land
All available evidence indicates that the hunger for agricultural or rural land in South Africa is largely a myth:
Of all the land claims to date, 59% were filed in urban areas.
Of all the land grabs in recent years, 84% were in urban areas.
South Africans, but black South Africans in particular, are urbanising at a rapid pace.
Of all the people who have taken the effort to file land claims, 93% have indicated that they would rather have money than land.
A recent poll by the Institute of Race Relations found that only 1% of people in South Africa believe that more land reform would improve their lives, and 0,6% regarded land reform as South Africa’s most serious unresolved problem.
Conclusion
We should not let this issue be derailed into a racial issue. Unfortunately, the President has already done so when he used the words “our people” to refer to black people. The Deputy President did so when he threatened with a “violent takeover” if white people didn’t voluntarily hand over their land to black people. Minister of Cooperative Government and Traditional Affairs, Zweli Mkhize, did so when he said that no property of any black person or black group would be expropriated.
It has become a popular pastime for members of this House to blame every white person for the crimes of every other white person. Now imagine if we had blamed every black person for the crimes of every other black person. If we were consistent in how we evaluate and contextualise history, white people would make claims like “black people are murderers”, only on the basis that some black people have committed the crime of murder, or that black people had to pay reparations for the Bloukrans and Weenen massacres, or the extermination of the Van Rensburg Trek. We would all agree that such claims would be regarded as grossly racist and intolerably unfair. And I am convinced that those of you who call for reparations most aggressively do not even know about the Bloukrans and Weenen massacres or the Van Rensburg Trek. Why? Because you are drunk on ideology. It is an ideology not based on historic accuracy, but a desperate attempt to ferment racial hatred and division with the real aim of advancing state power and hopeless socialism under the banner of “corrective measures”.
Yes, you are drunk on ideology – the ideology of the obviously failing National Democratic Revolution. You are drunk on power – since every decision you make is an attempt to gather more power and control into your hands. You are drunk on hatred and contempt – not only for white people, but for the poorest South Africans who suffer daily under your policies and will suffer even more if you continue to destroy the economy and sow hatred and division.
Thank you.
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this is the parliamentary response:
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ANC MP Moloko Maila said the argument that whites settled on empty land was the "biggest hogwash" he had ever heard.
'Deep anger'
IFP MP Elphas Buthelezi asked Roets if his assertions were based on research or on a "deep anger you have for the ANC and EFF".
"You have taken everything that belongs to us," EFF MP Tebogo Mokwele said. "That is why you are so arrogant to us. You think we are inhuman."
"Let me tell you my brother from another mother, we are going to take the land, whether you like it or not," she said.
Mncedisi Filtane of the UDM, who have long mooted the idea of an agricultural Codesa, said Roets' presentation hardened his attitude.
"Maybe we don't need a Codesa."
He said a constitutional amendment must be sped up.
"We are wasting time talking. There was no talking 400 years ago, people were killed.
"This talk is a waste of time with characters like this in South Africa!"
Committee co-chairperson Lewis Nzimande pointed out that the committee's process would continue.
The usually jocular Filtane left the committee room later when Roets responded.
"Don't come here and misrepresent facts!" ANC MP Madipoane Mothapo said, adding that Roets displayed "sheer insanity and drunkenness on hatred".
EFF chief whip Floyd Shivambu said the committee should not be "agitated by racist Afrikaner children".
He said the "racist kids from Pretoria" followed the CRC to its public hearings in an attempt to collapse it.
"If you're threatening us with war, we are ready," Shivambu said.
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https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-09-07-day-4-mps-hear-of-rands-and-cents-and-uncertainty-in-the-expropriation-debate/
War was one of the undertakings made if traditional leaders were touched on their land. Communal land must not be subject to any expropriation, but instead, land should be transferred and registered to the traditional councils under traditional leaders, argued the National House of Traditional Leaders (NHTL). And there should be steps against community property associations (CPAs) because these were “detrimental” and “brought serious challenges to social cohesion…”
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Please tell us, Dad
Son, if you can’t figure it out, then I think I’ve wasted too much money on your schoolin’.
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Very sorry for the wall of text, but Mr. Roets spoke well enough to frame most of the argument in acceptable terms, it seems an indication of how far I think South Africa is off a worthy path by the context of the answers. Would Madiba say that?
Again, the level of interest and thought behind the replies on this topic is really, really surprising. Mostly, I have no idea why anyone gives a true shit about us here, let alone have fresh insight to native ears.
Man, whatever the opinions or stats or feelings, this is not going as it should under a government looking for change for it's people.
And Conker, I await your thoughts. I do genuinely expect you to see the complete lack of logic in any of the responses. There is far more detail of the event on youtube, but I think it is summed up pretty well by the sound bite quotes. Those were the well thought out responses, above objecting to being composed of dried grass sheaths.
Except for that of the puppet DA chicky who did full sympathy play, without any refutation of facts (a constant theme). Fuck. All. SA. Politicians. They are all as filthy as each other, to a local level, and at that last fact is from my personal knowledge. Fuck them all, voting for any of them is pretty much the same as being asked : who is going to come in your mouth once a week for the next 4 years: your mom, your sister or your dad? Any sane person would choose to fuck the choice, fuck the idea. That's what I have done. The Gupta brothers were handed my first and only ever political participation, in the form of a vote, and looted hundreds, fucking hundreds, of billions of rands. This was at the hands of a president who did not finish high school. There are big, expensive: State capture , hearings going on right now. No one will ever do time. Ever.
Why the fuck do people even care about this shitshow? The end is going to have very, very little impact on most things in the world, except South Africans. We all here think it's so hectic: oh fuck no, billions of rands looted, so much money. It is nothing, nothing compared to what could be looted, if forward thinking policies were applied to this resource rich country. When we blip out, it's business as usual. We are , monetarily, nothing in the world. I cannot believe how small our GDP is, like beneath that of London or Spain, and the country is very, very rich in resources and huge.
Thank you anyway, we are humans here in SA, all of us, and this human is bloody glad at least some people are looking this way.
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This shows footage of some of Afriforum's speech in parliament and the reply by the EFF.
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The vast majority of 'redistributed' land in South Africa now lies in ruin. There also a lot of attacks on farm animals, including poisoning.
https://www.wnd.com/2018/08/this-is-what-land-reform-looks-like-in-south-africa/
Farmers Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.
“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”
South Africa has become a net importer of food for the first time in its history.
“My visit to Mpumalanga came immediately after crossing the frontier from Zimbabwe,” attests Aidan Hartley, also of the Times, “and what struck me was how similar the landscapes were after redistribution had taken place. Once-productive maize fields now grow only weeds. Citrus orchards are dying, their valuable fruit rotting on the branches. Machinery lies about rusting. Irrigation pipes have been looted and farm sheds are derelict and stripped of roofing. Windbreak trees have been hacked down and roads are potholed.”
Without exception, splendid enterprises that fed the country many times over have been reduced to “subsistence operations with a few mangy cattle and the odd mealie patch.” (Mealie is Afrikaans for “maize,” deriving, apparently, from the Portuguese word milho.)
In even the best-case scenario, farms belonging to the whites who feed the country and produce surpluses are being handed over to subsistence farmers who can barely feed themselves.
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The vast majority of 'redistributed' land in South Africa now lies in ruin.
Gee, what a surprise.
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Gee, what a surprise.
yes shocking. The White man gave these savages a life. work, clothes Food to eat..hell we even tried to educate them. Still killing & raping cutting off clits. ::)
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yes shocking. The White man gave these savages a life. work, clothes Food to eat..hell we even tried to educate them. Still killing & raping cutting off clits. ::)
I’m sure they’ll be a new excuse unleashed which absolves them of any culpability for these problems. My guess it will be that Whitey didn’t give them enough money.
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"but if it's a choice between the apartheid system that went before and the ANC the latter is obviously a zillion times better for the majority.
and whatever you may think, SA is in the top two economies in africa and even per capita it is in the top 2 or 3. it may well be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back but since the end of apartheid the country has come on leaps and bounds and regardless of all the doom and gloom stories it will continue to steadily progress."
Conker, I agree with you on that, the country is a better place since apartheid was scrapped. As I have said before, I knew at age 10 that what was happening was very wrong, and said so from then on. I returned to SA full of the hope that was valid, sort of , at that time. The country is doing well, in African terms, except I think a good few are not in recession. However, it should be a hell of a lot better. The issue here is not: white monopolist wealth......its how many godamn sickeningly poor, like you cant understand, black people there are right now, I think , maybe more than apartheid. It should not be like that, and if it is, the publicly visible corruption should not be happening. It is evil. It's not even racist, it's directed at everyone, thoughtlessly, based on personal goals that are nowhere near socialist. Man, almost every one of the guys you hear about, Julius, Thabo, Cyril....they are wearing about 300 000 rand of watch and suit during each sound clip. I knew it was wrong, I wanted to change it, the same way I should want to change it now, but I am old.
I am suprised I am saying this., and am probably just shattered after a long ass Friday, but you seem like an individual who presents what seem like researched, considered arguments. Apart from the fact that you would kick my ass down a street, which we both know wouldn't happen as if we were ever to meet we would end up getting drunk in heated political debate and then fighting. You have handled the vitriol of this board, mine included, with some fair calmness, sometimes, in some recent answers. It also seems that you have your own insight into the situation which you expect to be able to present without personal attack. I appreciate that, as it is discussion and often leads to me learning shit.
Have a fairly well researched link. If you don't approve of the authors, please be aware that it is a lot better that hearing about : white mans lightning, or how the recent drought were the effects of white monopolist capital and apartheid:
https://www.afriforum.co.za/wp-content/uploads/20180423-AfriForum-Land-and-land-reform-Draft-2-compressed-1.pdf
you actually come off as a good dude. the polar opposite of whiny, self entitled fagboy white SAs like griffin. that can't undertstand that whites can actually feel hardship too and think that the system of apartheid was just fine and dandy.
i skimmed through your linked report (unfortunately don't have time to read in full) some quite interesting reading, but to me it seems clear the main aim of it is to justify white settlement. but however it's spun the land was taken by force.
so in my mind you can't have it both ways. if you think whites were justified in taking the land, you can't oppose the rights of blacks to take it back with force now that they have the whip hand(without being a hypocrite). even though (in the main) that hasn't really happened.
anyway i wish all the best to all the good people of SA, of all races. hopefully the country will keep moving towards being a better place for all.
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Gee, what a surprise.
No kidding.
Blacks are a disaster, everywhere.
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https://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2018/09/11/land-prices-plummet-ewc-firms
Land prices plummet as EWC firms up
Farm prices in South Africa have plunged by a third since the ruling party decided to seek a change to the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without compensation, and as commodity prices fell due to bumper harvests following a drought.
The ANC’s move has added to wider emerging-market jitters in knocking South African assets. Critics of the plan and investors say the move could lead to an erosion of property rights.
Output by the agricultural industry contracted 29 percent in the second quarter – a major contributor to the country falling into its first recession since 2009.
The average price of a hectare of agricultural land is 43 percent lower than April 2016, when it was at a record, Bornman said. The total value of transactions has dropped 57 percent since December to R826 million, he said.
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The endgame is that it will be way worse than during Apartheid.
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https://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2018/09/11/land-prices-plummet-ewc-firms
Land prices plummet as EWC firms up
Farm prices in South Africa have plunged by a third since the ruling party decided to seek a change to the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without compensation, and as commodity prices fell due to bumper harvests following a drought.
The ANC’s move has added to wider emerging-market jitters in knocking South African assets. Critics of the plan and investors say the move could lead to an erosion of property rights.
Output by the agricultural industry contracted 29 percent in the second quarter – a major contributor to the country falling into its first recession since 2009.
The average price of a hectare of agricultural land is 43 percent lower than April 2016, when it was at a record, Bornman said. The total value of transactions has dropped 57 percent since December to R826 million, he said.
BS again my young dutch compadre
farmland prices fell in the first 6 months of 2018... that's jan-end of jun. 2 months before the anc announced their proposed new land reform policy.
farmland prices fell because agri produce prices fell. it's simple economics. if the potential profit in farming falls the price of farmland falls. can you work out why?
from your linked article.
"the value of South African farmland has dropped by 33% in the first six months of this year. That’s before the ANC’s EWC policy"
"agricultural commodity prices fell because of bumper harvests following a drought. Farmland prices inevitably followed"
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-11/south-africa-business-confidence-drops-to-lowest-this-year
South Africa Business Confidence Drops to Lowest This Year
South African business confidence declined to the lowest level this year as industries raised concern about policy uncertainty, including the ruling party’s plan to change the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without paying for it.
Gross domestic product contracted in the second quarter from the previous three months, landing the economy in its first recession since 2009.
“We remain deeply concerned about the prospects,” said Ettienne le Roux, RMB’s chief economist. “The political and policy factors weighing down on business confidence must be resolved to produce impetus for an increase in sentiment,” he said, referring to the ANC’s land-reform plans.
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(https://www.brandsouthafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sector_GDP-per-sector-Q3-2017.jpg)
oh yes i'm sure this uncertainty surrounding a sector that makes up a colossal 3% of GDP is really going to lead to complete economic ruin!
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^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.
Ous are hungry here.
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^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.
Ous are hungry here.
Yes, if local food production massively decreases, the prices of what's available will sky-rocket. Those on low incomes will suffer the most.
Already, a 30 % reduction in agriculture is huge, and that's already before any land seizures have taken place.
I've already seen the frenzy when bottles of water run out from local stores, I can imagine something similar happening with food.
Coupled with all this, there's also the risk of the currency taking a massive hit when the first farms are seized, which in itself will increase prices of everything.
Then there's also still the continued risk of a ratings downgrade to junk status on the local currency which would lead to 150 billion having to immediately be disinvested from the country.
It's easy for some people to comment who don't live in SA, but this is a disaster which SA might never recover from.
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^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.
Ous are hungry here.
don't worry, you'll all be fine. the country's survived much greater hardships than this
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don't worry, you'll all be fine. the country's survived much greater hardships than this
Hey Paki Plonker, TOMMY say Hi ;D ;D ;D
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Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...
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If there's one refrain the Left is known for it's advocating for causes it wouldn't want anything to do with in their day-to-day lives, be it minorities in the inner cities, the plight of people of whom they know nothing in various war zones or other hot spots around the world, illegal immigrants breaching the U.S. border and crossing private land in the southern states then blending into American society (sometimes with fatal results with the people who cross their paths, like Kate and Mollie, among many others), 'gentrification' in previously black-majority neighborhoods of major cities or police 'brutality' against uncooperative and/or dangerous suspects that end up eating a lead salad on someone's decontextualized cellphone video that just went viral. The list is endless. There's not one of these topics on which the Left and its unhinged supporters would want any kind of personal experience, because they'd soon be cured of their misplaced sympathy for situations and people they really know nothing about.
In those rare instances where they walk the talk and actually leave their cozy White-majority ecosystem to actually see what life is really like in the places they want the U.S. to send cash and soldiers to in support of a cause they can't even clearly define or explain, they invariably end up shot, mugged, burgled, sold into sex slavery or brutally murdered by the very people they were championing on Twitter from the comfort of their American dwellings. There's two recent examples in threads posted here about Westerners going to the Middle East or Africa and never being seen or heard from again.
Kind of like anti abortionist who won't adopt
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Or abortionist who don`t want capital punishment ;D
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Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...
As soon as talk of land seizures started the economy, currency and food production took a dive.
Unemployment is now the highest in history and business confidence the lowest in decades.
Already the revenue service is saying they won't be able to make their targets.
The currency is also at near record lows.
Banks are also warning that land seizures could lead to financial collapse of banking institutions.
The Reserve Bank is also warning that it could heavily damage the economy and lead to increased currency weakness and inflation.
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Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...
I laughed. 😂
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As soon as talk of land seizures started the economy, currency and food production took a dive.
Unemployment is now the highest in history and business confidence the lowest in decades.
Already the revenue service is saying they won't be able to make their targets.
The currency is also at near record lows.
Banks are also warning that land seizures could lead to financial collapse of banking institutions.
The Reserve Bank is also warning that it could heavily damage the economy and lead to increased currency weakness and inflation.
Markets are a consensus of what everybody thinks is going to happen.
Without property rights, there is no economic freedom, which is why the market responded in such a manner. Who would want to do business in such an environment?
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‘Whites steal everything in this country, people are not allowed to have dams and swimming pools in their homes, water in this country belongs to government, those who break the law will be fined’,
Water and Sanitation 'Minister'
https://newsupdatessa.site/south-africans-are-not-allowed-to-have-dams-and-swimming-pools-in-their-homes-water-in-this-country-belongs-to-government-those-who-break-the-law-will-be-fined-water-and-sanitation-minister/
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considering it's an african country suffering from water shortages caused by the worst drought in a century, i would say it's quite sensible to ban people from filling up swimming pools and building illegal dams. no?
his language is probably slightly inflammatory but given the country's history, he does have a point.
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I do wonder though. will JZ be emptying his "Fire Pool", while the people of mKandla glare at him?
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Here's another gem from the 'police commissioner':
''White people brought crime to South Africa, they brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad''
General Kehla Sithole
http://newsupdatessa.site/white-people-brought-crime-to-south-africa-they-brought-things-they-know-we-would-be-tempted-to-steal-just-to-make-us-look-badgeneral-kehla-sithole/
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Here's another gem from the 'police commissioner':
''White people brought crime to South Africa, they brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad''
General Kehla Sithole
http://newsupdatessa.site/white-people-brought-crime-to-south-africa-they-brought-things-they-know-we-would-be-tempted-to-steal-just-to-make-us-look-badgeneral-kehla-sithole/
The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.
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The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.
and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell
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and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell
And that's just the women!
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and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell
In the TV show All in the Family, Meathead eventually went on to become a Professor. That was the case of art imitating life. The 60s rejects ended up seeking refuge in the Universities and we’re seeing the results.
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The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.
Imagine having people with that kind of mentality running a country?
I mean the police commissioner saying whites "brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad"
I don't even think an average six year old child would have this kind of mentality.
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Imagine having people with that kind of mentality running a country?
I mean the police commissioner saying whites "brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad"
I don't even think an average six year old child would have this kind of mentality.
Not only that, but it flies in the face of another liberal theory that it’s the whites that stole everything from the Africans.
After a while, all of these liberal excuses start to bang into each other. Liberals want us to be like Norway but that country’s primary industry is oil which liberals don’t want.
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3:39 "What is a government bond ???" the MP asked the farmer. South Africa 2018 people! https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=lBkE4SH-7Bw
Yes, I saw that too.
"What is government bond?"
A farmer having to explain to a so-called member of parliament what a government bond is!!
These same people who want to seize land have no idea of any basic concepts of economics or how finances of a government works.
Note the vacuous look of anger on her face.
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South Africa's "top diplomat"? I wasn't even aware they had a decent laundromat in that turd world shithole.
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South Africa's "top diplomat"? I wasn't even aware they had a decent laundromat in that turd world shithole.
Till the mid 90's, South Africa was producing advanced military weapons and vehicles for export such as the Rooivalk attack helicopter and G6 self-propelled 155 mm artillery which had the longest fire range in the world for that calibre.
They were also the first country to use helmet targeting systems for fighter planes. They started using them in the 1970's, the USA started in 1985.
However, now I don't think there's any new development or upgrades. Most of the military equipment is rusting in military bases and they don't even have enough fuel to use the fighter planes.
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South Africa's "top diplomat"? I wasn't even aware they had a decent laundromat in that turd world shithole.
"top diplomat'' would be in London,Washington or Berlin NOT in Pretoria ::)
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Till the mid 90's, South Africa was producing advanced military weapons and vehicles for export such as the Rooivalk attack helicopter and G6 self-propelled 155 mm artillery which had the longest fire range in the world for that calibre.
They were also the first country to use helmet targeting systems for fighter planes. They started using them in the 1970's, the USA started in 1985.
However, now I don't think there's any new development or upgrades. Most of the military equipment is rusting in military bases and they don't even have enough fuel to use the fighter planes.
Gee, I wonder why no other African country has been able to produce high-level military equipment?
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Gee, I wonder why no other African country has been able to produce high-level military equipment?
Because they don't have German,Dutch,British,Croats & Jewish ancestry ;D
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The lid is about to fly across the room as the pot explodes.
https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/probe-finds-r1-9bn-looted-from-vbs-mutual-bank/
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-10-11-the-shivambu-brothers-and-the-great-vbs-heist/
2 billion rand is not a lot, for any real country. Here, it is a lot. This 2 bil was siphoned off directly from the payments of some very, very poor people and municipalities. Very fucking old and black supporters of the call to deposit money in the bank , later queued for hours never to receive it back. These fucking thieves, wearing armani and 1 mil watches, stole from people much worse off than I.
I sense a change. There is a limit to how far things can be pushed in the mind, while they fall apart in reality.
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The lid is about to fly across the room as the pot explodes.
https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/probe-finds-r1-9bn-looted-from-vbs-mutual-bank/
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-10-11-the-shivambu-brothers-and-the-great-vbs-heist/
2 billion rand is not a lot, for any real country. Here, it is a lot. This 2 bil was siphoned off directly from the payments of some very, very poor people and municipalities. Very fucking old and black supporters of the call to deposit money in the bank , later queued for hours never to receive it back. These fucking thieves, wearing armani and 1 mil watches, stole from people much worse off than I.
I sense a change. There is a limit to how far things can be pushed in the mind, while they fall apart in reality.
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Hope this will get rid of the EFF. They are the biggest threat to future of SA.
They have also had dealings with criminals and meet with them regularly.
Malema also fired an automatic rifle in a public place (not his, no license) and nothing happened to him, they lied and said it was staged with 'fire crackers' when it's clear in the videos it was an actual gun being fired.
The deputy, Shivambu strangled a journalist outside parliament and Malema said that "whites shouldn't be killed...at least for now" but after his talking of killing whites and taking land, farm murders and torture went up.
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/south-africas-war-against-white-people_2681815.html
The death rate by murder for South African farmers is 313 per 100,000, perhaps the highest for any group of people on Earth who are not at war.
The murders are accompanied by torture and rape. The sadism of the attacks suggests either dark perversion or systematic terror.
Old women have oil poured over them and are then “ironed” so their skin comes off in flaps. Toddlers are drowned in boiling water. Recently, a man was stabbed more than 150 times with a garden fork.
Little girls are nailed to kitchen tables and raped over and over. Sometimes the attackers will stay for hours. They bring food and alcohol, as if to a bizarre hate fest.
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Here's another gem from the 'police commissioner':
''White people brought crime to South Africa, they brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad''
General Kehla Shitole
http://newsupdatessa.site/white-people-brought-crime-to-south-africa-they-brought-things-they-know-we-would-be-tempted-to-steal-just-to-make-us-look-badgeneral-kehla-sithole/
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Quote from: Thin Lizzy on 07-10-2018, 20:37:38
The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.
Imagine having people with that kind of mentality running a country?
I mean the police commissioner saying whites "brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad"
I don't even think an average six year old child would have this kind of mentality.
And There are A Few on This Board Who Think Like That !!!!! ::) ::) ::)
And think it Normal & Correct Thinking — FFS
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Hope this will get rid of the EFF. They are the biggest threat to future of SA.
They have also had dealings with criminals and meet with them regularly.
Malema also fired an automatic rifle in a public place (not his, no license) and nothing happened to him, they lied and said it was staged with 'fire crackers' when it's clear in the videos it was an actual gun being fired.
The deputy, Shivambu strangled a journalist outside parliament and Malema said that "whites shouldn't be killed...at least for now" but after his talking of killing whites and taking land, farm murders and torture went up.
Yet another example on a large scale just how
Advanced & Civilised Blacks in Big numbers are.
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https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/south-africa/south-africa-ranks-worse-than-russia-in-economic-freedom/
South Africa ranks worse than Russia in economic freedom
The latest Economic Freedom of the World (EFW) index, which measures the degree to which the policies and institutions of countries support economic freedom, has ranked South Africa 94th with Russia ahead at 87th. The latest global ranking comes as a monumental tumble from the 46th position South Africa held in 2000 – at that time, South Africa was revered as one of the world’s freest countries.
Protection of persons and their rightfully acquired property is a central element of both economic freedom and civil society. Indeed, it is the most important function of government and South Africa, with its policy uncertainty, has seen a decline in these metrics.
Policy uncertainty continues to obstruct capital flows into South Africa.
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Let’s see all the Intelligent Caring Blacks & Liberal Leftist from GetBig go help their brothers
Sort the problems in South Africa while extolling the benefits of racial integration & harmony & tolerance
Love to see how that works out for them..... ;D