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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Mattis just announced his retirement.
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So you think we should stay in Syria then? How long, forever?
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Seems like a good move but I doubt that the motive behind it is to benefit America.
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So you think we should stay in Syria then? How long, forever?
Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement. My sister-in-law has bullet holes in her right arm and leg and watched her eight-year-old brother head explode from a Commie bullet as they were crossing the Mekong River to escape the Communist.
Do you remember what happened after we left Iraq? ISIS. An obscure group of Muslim Terrorist that became a worldwide force.
During a press conference with Tony Blair and President Bush, a journalist asked how long are we going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tony Blair started hemming and hawing going through various conditions and scenarios. Bush stepped up and interrupted and said, "As long as it takes." He stared down the rest of the press corp and repeated, "As long as it takes."
How long have we been in Germany? Korea? South America? The Middle East? Evil doesn't just go away. It requires eternal vigilance.
If not use then whom? If America steps down as the world leader and the greatest force for peace and Democracy who do you think will take over? Russia? China?
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Seems like a good move but I doubt that the motive behind it is to benefit America.
For whom?
After the slaughter, we'll be back. Just like with Iraq. Back to square one except tens of thousands would have been murdered.
Once again we would have abandoned the Kurds and left them at the mercy of their enemies to be slaughter as Hussien did to them despite our assurance we would protect them, an ally. This is good news for Russia, Iran, Assad and will embolden them portray America as retreating just as we did in Vietnam.
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Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement. My sister-in-law has bullet holes in her right arm and leg and watched her eight-year-old brother head explode from a Commie bullet as they were crossing the Mekong River to escape the Communist.
Do you remember what happened after we left Iraq? ISIS. An obscure group of Muslim Terrorist that became a worldwide force.
During a press conference with Tony Blair and President Bush, a journalist asked how long are we going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tony Blair started hemming and hawing going through various conditions and scenarios. Bush stepped up and interrupted and said, "As long as it takes." He stared down the rest of the press corp and repeated, "As long as it takes."
How long have we been in Germany? Korea? South America? The Middle East? Evil doesn't just go away. It requires eternal vigilance.
If not use then whom? If America steps down as the world leader and the greatest force for peace and Democracy who do you think will take over? Russia? China?
If these countries can not take responsibility for their own defense, at a certain point we have to cut them loose or we will just bleed ourselves dry.
I think our military has slayed generations of mooslim men and learned a great deal about this unconventional war. I think now it's time they come home and prepare for a more conventional war with China or Russia.
We have to learn our lesson and get out of the nation building business.
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the slaughter is already over in syria. the US backed every militant group and it's dog to overthrow assad. the russians eventually came in and pretty much obliterated isis and the rest of the "rebel" groups.
any chance of assad being toppled has now passed. game over. US troops are going home.
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Maddox just announced his retirement.
Who is General Maddox?
Jesus...
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For whom?
After the slaughter, we'll be back. Just like with Iraq. Back to square one except tens of thousands would have been murdered.
Once again we would have abandoned the Kurds and left them at the mercy of their enemies to be slaughter as Hussien did to them despite our assurance we would protect them, an ally. This is good news for Russia, Iran, Assad and will embolden them portray America as retreating just as we did in Vietnam.
I think you're well meaning but this is all just a futile waste of resources.
Do you see these people, for example Kurds, as an ally and what is this ally accomplishing?
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Bankers make LOTS of money from war and couldn't care a less about all the people that die, it's part of the game. They steal an entire countries wealth in the process... whether it be oil, gold, diamonds, poppies, water, other natural resources, etc. Then they install a central bank and control the currency. Control/create the currency and you control everything/everyone.
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Bankers make LOTS of money from war and couldn't care a less about all the people that die, it's part of the game. They steal an entire countries wealth in the process... whether it be oil, gold, diamonds, poppies, water, other natural resources, etc. Then they install a central bank and control the currency. Control/create the currency and you control everything/everyone.
Who controls the banks???
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Bankers make LOTS of money from war and couldn't care a less about all the people that die, it's part of the game. They steal an entire countries wealth in the process... whether it be oil, gold, diamonds, poppies, water, other natural resources, etc. Then they install a central bank and control the currency. Control/create the currency and you control everything/everyone.
US involvement in syria was never about anything other than getting rid of assad regardless of cost or any amount of human suffering.
they backed and encouraged ISIS to form an independent state. they only got upset with them after they started cutting journalist's heads off.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
"A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria.
Raising the “possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality”, the Pentagon report goes on, “this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)”."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
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Who controls the banks???
Bankers. Bankers own/control the world.
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The elites want a perpetual war in the Middle East that wastes all of our tax dollars and you’re complaining we’re leaving? You go and fight there you fucking dried out old sun baked pedophile.
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US involvement in syria was never about anything other than getting rid of assad regardless of cost or any amount of human suffering.
they backed and encouraged ISIS to form an independent state. they only got upset with them after they started cutting journalist's heads off.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
"A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria.
Raising the “possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality”, the Pentagon report goes on, “this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)”."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
All the "politicking" is nothing but a distraction. Banksters already have all the money they need, so they want to control the entire world and everyone in it. Key word: "Control"
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Gotta love the people who eat up Trumps "love" for the military. ??? ???
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Do we have the numbers as far as how many guilty people will die?
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The elites want a perpetual war in the Middle East that wastes all of our tax dollars and you’re complaining we’re leaving? You go and fight there you fucking dried out old sun baked pedophile.
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The elites want a perpetual war in the Middle East that wastes all of our tax dollars and you’re complaining we’re leaving? You go and fight there you fucking dried out old sun baked pedophile.
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Kurds are great allies. Bad move, IMO. We still have troops/bases in places such as Germany, etc. No reason to pull out when it is pretty controlled at this point. It won't be controlled if we pull out leading to bigger issues down the road.
Of the places in this area of the world to pull out of this would not be at the top of the list.
Not a fan of Trumps doings this last week. Hopefully he is turning around on the wall/shutdown issue at least.
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Maddox just announced his retirement.
Not our problem and I really don't care about turd world cesspools. Fuck 'em.
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Who is General Maddox?
Jesus...
"Jesus" is right. My bad. Embarrassingly bad.
Original post corrected.
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Gotta love the people who eat up Trumps "love" for the military. ??? ???
Do us all a favor and go fuck your mother some more. You fucking cucking libtard. What a pathetic shitass you are. I would guess that in the real world your only "friends" are your collection of Sesame Street Sock Puppets.
Like others of your kind, you deserve Somalia.
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If these countries can not take responsibility for their own defense, at a certain point we have to cut them loose or we will just bleed ourselves dry.
I think our military has slayed generations of mooslim men and learned a great deal about this unconventional war. I think now it's time they come home and prepare for a more conventional war with China or Russia.
We have to learn our lesson and get out of the nation building business.
With Russia and Iran having more control in the region it is our business.
We are supposed to stand by our allies. The Kurds have been and ally in the fight against the Islamic militant group and one of the most effective fighters against ISIS.
Building and making other pro-American nations strong makes us strong. That's why we fought Communist expansion.
It's not over any more than Iraq was over when we pulled out.
It's curious that those not in the military, not involved in the fighting want to retreat. The majority in the military, and certainly the military leaders, think otherwise.
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Bankers make LOTS of money from war and couldn't care a less about all the people that die, it's part of the game. They steal an entire countries wealth in the process... whether it be oil, gold, diamonds, poppies, water, other natural resources, etc. Then they install a central bank and control the currency. Control/create the currency and you control everything/everyone.
Please just go away. You're just another conspiracy kook that knows nothing about the real world.
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The elites want a perpetual war in the Middle East that wastes all of our tax dollars and you’re complaining we’re leaving? You go and fight there you fucking dried out old sun baked pedophile.
We have an all-volunteer army. That "why don't you go there" is such a lame and sophomoric argument. I have a brother, a cousin and a nephew overseas defending your right to sit your fat ass down in unprecedented comfort and anonymously insult people over the internet.
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Not our problem and I really don't care about turd world cesspools. Fuck 'em.
You have made it abundantly clear throughout your years on this board that you really don't care about other people. Only people that you can profit from. The suffering and death of others, including innocent children, and doing good in this world, is meaningless to you. There are a lot of people like you. You haven't gotten through life without the help of others. Even complete strangers.
When you are on your death bed and look back on your life and the kind of person you were ... well, may God have mercy on your soul.
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Do us all a favor and go fuck your mother some more. You fucking cucking libtard. What a pathetic shitass you are. I would guess that in the real world your only "friends" are your collection of Sesame Street Sock Puppets.
Like others of your kind, you deserve Somalia.
Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.
Do you have children?
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There are only 2000 American Troops in Syria. It's a drop in the bucket. No they are not playing policemen there. They were killing ISIS and keeping the Russians from taking the ports. There has to be an end game. Syria has about 5 different entities fighting in all different directions. Assad was a brutal dictator but there was relative peace in the country. Striving cities and no war. Assad is out and what do you have? Complete chaos. You have Russians, Assad Troops, the resistance, Kurds, Iranians, ISIS and Turks fighting in every direction over ruble. Russia clear intention is control of the ports.
Trump said many years before even running for office that we shouldn't attempt to be the world's police in these Muslim hell holes. My words not his. In Iraq we would blow up a bridge only to pay money to rebuild it. When the Iraq Army was the largest in the region we took action and wiped out their military. We should have taken off and left the country Instead we attempted to rebuild it thinking a western Democracy would strive. Nope, that's not going to happen in a Muslim country.
ISIS came into power after Obama flooded Syria with 500 million in arms and vehicles hoping the resistance would arm them self and fight Troops loyal to Assad. Nope, the arms ended up in ISIS hands. Obama's People said the 500 million was for training the resistance to fight Assad. No again. It was military hardware.
These third world Muslim countries can't be fixed through politics or war. When necessary they should be beaten and then left to rebuild their own country. Force is the only thing they respect. Taking 2000 Troops in Syria isn't going to change anything. They are not cops. My prediction is that Russia might be encouraged and assist Assad to get back in power.
The biggest thread in the region is not ISIS. Their numbers have been decimated. The biggest threat is Iran. They want to rule the middle east and see taking over Syria and their oil as the first step.
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There are only 2000 American Troops in Syria. It's a drop in the bucket. No they are not playing policemen there. They were killing ISIS an keeping the Russians from taking the ports. There has to be an end game. Syria has about 5 different entities fighting in all different directions. Assad was a brutal dictator but there was relative peace in the country. Striving cities and no war. Assad is out and what do you have? Complete chaos. You have Russians, Assad Troops, the resistance, Kurds, Iranians, ISIS and Turks fighting in every direction over ruble. Russia clear intention is control of the ports.
Trump said many years before even running for office that we shouldn't attempt to be the world's police in these Muslim hell holes. My words not his. In Iraq we would blow up a bridge only to pay money to rebuild it. When the Iraq Army was the largest in the region we took action and wiped out their military. We should have taken off and left the country Instead we attempted to rebuild it thinking a western Democracy would strive. Nope, that's not going to happen in a Muslim country.
ISIS came into power after Obama flooded Syria with 500 million in arms and vehicles hoping the resistance would arm them self and fight Troops loyal to Assad. Nope, the arms ended up in ISIS hands. Obama's People said the 500 million was for training the resistance to fight Assad. No again. It was military hardware.
These third world Muslim countries can't be fixed through politics or war. When necessary they should be beaten and then left to rebuild their own country. Force is the only thing they respect. Taking 2000 Troops in Syria isn't going to change anything. They are not cops. My prediction is that Russia might be encouraged and assist Assad to get back in power.
The biggest thread in the region is not ISIS. Their numbers have been decimated. The biggest threat is Iran. They want to rule the middle east and see taking over Syria is their oil as the first step.
Now, this is how you debate. Very good points. Someone who actually thinks things through and has paid attention over the years. No personal insults but just a pointed and cohesive well thought through argument.
Iran is our biggest enemy right now (though China is the greater threat overall) and this will embolden them. What do you think will happen after we leave?
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This is why we should never fight militarily with any intention other than to win. What a huge waste of money to be the world police for the world banking system, only using force to destabilize and control others for the sake of those monied interests.
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Do us all a favor and go fuck your mother some more. You fucking cucking libtard. What a pathetic shitass you are. I would guess that in the real world your only "friends" are your collection of Sesame Street Sock Puppets.
Like others of your kind, you deserve Somalia.
Lol
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Why do the neeguls war ? Is there space of land left in paradise to make food and hookuop wit 18 yea old fineasshoes?
Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement. My sister-in-law has bullet holes in her right arm and leg and watched her eight-year-old brother head explode from a Commie bullet as they were crossing the Mekong River to escape the Communist.
Do you remember what happened after we left Iraq? ISIS. An obscure group of Muslim Terrorist that became a worldwide force.
During a press conference with Tony Blair and President Bush, a journalist asked how long are we going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tony Blair started hemming and hawing going through various conditions and scenarios. Bush stepped up and interrupted and said, "As long as it takes." He stared down the rest of the press corp and repeated, "As long as it takes."
How long have we been in Germany? Korea? South America? The Middle East? Evil doesn't just go away. It requires eternal vigilance.
If not use then whom? If America steps down as the world leader and the greatest force for peace and Democracy who do you think will take over? Russia? China?
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Lol
Good avatar of cooch
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Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.
Do you have children?
Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser.
My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you. This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron. Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then. Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.
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Now, this is how you debate. Very good points. Someone who actually thinks things through and has paid attention over the years. No personal insults but just a pointed and cohesive well thought through argument.
Iran is our biggest enemy right now (though China is the greater threat overall) and this will embolden them. What do you think will happen after we leave?
I would rather see us make peace with Iran than continue on this romance with the house of Saud.
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You have made it abundantly clear throughout your years on this board that you really don't care about other people. Only people that you can profit from. The suffering and death of others, including innocent children, and doing good in this world, is meaningless to you. There are a lot of people like you. You haven't gotten through life without the help of others. Even complete strangers.
When you are on your death bed and look back on your life and the kind of person you were ... well, may God have mercy on your soul.
Easy there Quai Chang-gang-bang, there is no God, but lordy you are one insufferable idiot. As previously stated, I hope more volcanoes fuck good ol' liberal Hawaii up and then you can see just how many of your turd-worlders come to help you out.
Shit. You need to go find the shallow end of gene pool and hang with SF and Genova. What a pathetic cuckold you are.
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With Russia and Iran having more control in the region it is our business.
We are supposed to stand by our allies. The Kurds have been and ally in the fight against the Islamic militant group and one of the most effective fighters against ISIS.
Building and making other pro-American nations strong makes us strong. That's why we fought Communist expansion.
It's not over any more than Iraq was over when we pulled out.
It's curious that those not in the military, not involved in the fighting want to retreat. The majority in the military, and certainly the military leaders, think otherwise.
Nation building is a mistake and fighting communism in Vietnam was a mistake. It just creates endless unwinnable wars that drain us of our soldiers and our money. It's not worth it. We are not the world police. If we want to defeat people like Russia the best thing to do is get our financial house in order. All we are doing in the middle east right now is playing with our dicks and smoking hajis for sport. There is no end game, there is virtually no benefit to the United States. There can be no decisive victory in a war like this. Only a costly permanent war. It's enough already. Let the hajis live in their mud huts and wipe their asses with their hands. The best way we can protect ourselves is to keep them the fuck out of the United States.
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Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser.
My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you. This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron. Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then. Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.
So basically your only defense is "shut up queer". LOL what an idiot you sound, reading your post just makes me feel more retarded for having read it lol
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The best move Trump has made in office as of yet.
I don't take it for granted either. It took balls and probably < 5 people knew of it. Well planned.
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Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser.
My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you. This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron. Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then. Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.
Wow, a post where you didn't use the word "cuck".
Any objective person can read my posts and compare them to yours and easily determine who goes through each day in abject misery.
But don't worry, I'm usually am up for a good forum battle but with you, I've already won because you're you and I'm me.
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Nation building is a mistake and fighting communism in Vietnam was a mistake. It just creates endless unwinnable wars that drain us of our soldiers and our money. It's not worth it. We are not the world police. If we want to defeat people like Russia the best thing to do is get our financial house in order. All we are doing in the middle east right now is playing with our dicks and smoking hajis for sport. There is no end game, there is virtually no benefit to the United States. There can be no decisive victory in a war like this. Only a costly permanent war. It's enough already. Let the hajis live in their mud huts and wipe their asses with their hands. The best way we can protect ourselves is to keep them the fuck out of the United States.
Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.
We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.
We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted. Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.
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With Russia and Iran having more control in the region it is our business.
We are supposed to stand by our allies. The Kurds have been and ally in the fight against the Islamic militant group and one of the most effective fighters against ISIS.
Building and making other pro-American nations strong makes us strong. That's why we fought Communist expansion.
It's not over any more than Iraq was over when we pulled out.
It's curious that those not in the military, not involved in the fighting want to retreat. The majority in the military, and certainly the military leaders, think otherwise.
The United States have a habit of abandoning allies.
In South Vietnam, they abandoned their allies who they knew would be overrun.
And look at the World Wars, in both of them they came in late, after all sides had been fighting for years.
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pedolust, your views on world affairs are childlike. you really believe that US involvement in the middle east is/was some sort of peace keeping mission. iraq was invaded on the back of a false accusation of WMDs. independent estimates state that anywhere between a couple hundred thousand and a million + iraqi civilians perished due to that invasion, with millions more displaced.
the country spiralled into sectarian chaos the moment saddam was deposed. US troops left because the country became so unsafe and the american public were getting antsy with the rising death toll.
syria was targeted because it was iran's strongest ally in the region. as per my last post, the US encouraged and supported the rise of ISIS in syria becuase they were by far assad's strongest opponent. the US fight against ISIS was fake. with all it's military might it couldn't make a dent in ISIS in years of bombing? Yet within a year of russia joining the fray ISIS was all but decimated.
you are so conditioned and brainwashed. i'll bet you believe the US colonisation and subjugation of your own aboriginal hawaiin people was a humanitarian crusade to bring civilisation to your shores. you're so lost pedolust.
and someone needs to direct that child's parents your pictured with, to your post on here re allowing a 13 year old child to "practically strip" in front of you when you were a fully grown adult. sick bstard.
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Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.
We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.
We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted. Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.
Unwinnable.
We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years. If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up. All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago. It doesn't work and the price is too steep.
You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue. I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.
There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world. We can't save them all. We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do. We need to pick our Wars more carefully.
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Mattis C just announced his retirement.
Fixed.
Hm...I think the anti-war left completely disappeared with Obama's first election.
I don't think of war as being a particularly one-sided issue. Obviously the Republicans are more in bed with Israel, but it's more or less a bipartisan matter, IMO. Our great leader Ron wants the best for his people, and won't vote Democrat because of that - and I respect that. I don't think too many people would be happy seeing their homeland thrown under the bus [although perhaps Ron's political views have shifted since I spoke to him last on the matter].
Here is the great leader of the people of our great leader, Ron Avidan. ;D Such a mysterious family:
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Also, I don't understand your USSR reference. We defeated them economically, not militarily. They collapsed under the weight of their own idiotic system.....as communist states often do.
As they say, "when your enemy is making a huge mistake............let them".
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Unwinnable.
We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years. If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up. All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago. It doesn't work and the price is too steep.
You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue. I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.
There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world. We can't save them all. We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do. We need to pick our Wars more carefully.
Great post.
I think pellius is right about the USA doing the right thing to crush communism.
At its height, communism entrapped the lives of one billion people.
As I see it...someone is going to be the world police...right?
So as a White guy living in Canada, I'm happy the USA is that power. Do I think another nation or group will be more fair with that much power? Not that I can tell.
I think we take a lot of things for granted...although your point about not being able to afford this military presence is valid.
Also, I don't understand your USSR reference. We defeated them economically, not militarily. They collapsed under the weight of their own idiotic system.....as communist states often do.
As they say, "when your enemy is making a huge mistake............let them".
Haha, yeah. Communism sucks. It was a system on life support from day one.
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We are hemorrhaging billions or even trillions in the middle east and Democrats are trying tell people that we can't afford 5 billion to build a wall on our own border.
Fuck. That. Shit.
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Relax lads. Trump knows best. He his avoiding the hassle of having americans killed, while still selling tons of guns to the Curd militia who fight there.
Win win situation.
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Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.
Do you have children?
one should only argue with the blott if one has the same level of intelligence
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.
It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.
Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.
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Trump is right to pull American troops out.
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What's all this about General Motors leaving the Trump administration?
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So basically your only defense is "shut up queer". LOL what an idiot you sound, reading your post just makes me feel more retarded for having read it lol
"Defense"? You are a child. Go to your room, little boy. I merely state what I hold true. I'm not here to change the diaper that is your mind.
I know...You'll need to ponder that and maybe even ax yo' mammy. Later, lib.
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Wow, a post where you didn't use the word "cuck".
Any objective person can read my posts and compare them to yours and easily determine who goes through each day in abject misery.
But don't worry, I'm usually am up for a good forum battle but with you, I've already won because you're you and I'm me.
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This ain't the Matrix kid and you can't even bend a spoon. You know only that which is told you. You on the other hand, blab about yourself, post photos and the like. Foolish, child. I don't dislike you and as with other adults here I sometimes agree with what you have to say and will state as much when that is so.
I don't debate. In cases such as this I simply post what I hold true Fuck turd-world lands.
Like Hawaii.
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Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement.
After the détente with Mao's China,it wasn't really vital for the US to have a strong military presence in Indo-China.
America's big foreign policy objective ,in the decades following World War II, essentially was to break-up the formidable alliance between the Soviet Union and China.
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This they did in Asia through anti-Communist military actions on China's doorstep, designed to contain Chinese communist expansion and weaken or destabilise China's allies in Asia. These operations started with Korean War in the east and swept out to the west ,through Vietnam,Laos, Cambodia , Indonesia in the 60's and East Pakistan(present-day Bangladesh). I believe the name of this policy was the "Domino Theory".
And it seems like ,on its own terms,it was a smashing success.
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The best thing for a small country to do is to be pliant with the great powers and keep out of their disputes. But that doesn't necessarily guarantee survival(look at Gaddafi).
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The USA must defend its borders...on very distant foreign soil?
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Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.
We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.
We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted. Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.
That's NATO's job?
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Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.
We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.
We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted. Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.
Great points. If we didn't defend the world the Soviet Union would have steam rolled all of Europe, Central America and any other place they could. Cuba was a great resort island with great writers, actors, artists and singers living or vacationing there and since the communists took over just another communist country.
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Mattis just announced his retirement.
I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement, continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..
Can't be solved by force.
It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture, technology, class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.
It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.
Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.
Isn't it interesting that we had what a 2 year investigation into alleged Russian interference in our election, but no one bats an eye at this
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Gotta love the people who eat up Trumps "love" for the military. ??? ???
::) he's a real american hero. he survived the sexual revolution intact.
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This ain't the Matrix kid and you can't even bend a spoon. You know only that which is told you. You on the other hand, blab about yourself, post photos and the like. Foolish, child. I don't dislike you and as with other adults here I sometimes agree with what you have to say and will state as much when that is so.
I don't debate. In cases such as this I simply post what I hold true Fuck turd-world lands.
Like Hawaii.
We all know what information we've been told or read about. It's up to us to determine what is the truth.
And, of course, you don't debate, this implies that you have a closed mind and think you know all the answers. Therefore, wisdom is impossible. You are the same now, as you were ten years ago and as you will be ten years from now. I don't know everything and therefore welcome being proven wrong as though I lost a debate I've gained wisdom. Truth to you is just your truth and some of the greatest evil in this world has been done by those who felt that they knew the truth and knew what's right and therefore will justify anything to achieve their agenda and worldview. Whether it be Communist or Leftist social engineers.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.
It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.
Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.
We did the absolute right thing in taking out Hussein. If we didn't, due to his expansionist policies and attacking every one of his neighbors, we would be living in a different world today and not just because of high gas prices.
Erdogan has vowed to destroy the Kurds. We have just given him the green light. I know some people don't care about the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children. You should thank God that you live in this country and not have to worry, or even care, about the suffering of others, a blessing you did nothing to earn or deserve. You just won one of life's lottery.
I care, and so do many others, about all people, not just Americans. If we can save innocent lives then we should.
We have an all-volunteer Army. Everyone who joins the military understands, or should understand, that despite all the other benefits they get, their primary duty is to defend and fight for this country for its interest. And if we are going to be a force for good in this world, and we are, then that also means defending those who are innocent and can't defend themselves.
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That's NATO's job?
Brah, we are NATO.
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Unwinnable.
We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years. If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up. All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago. It doesn't work and the price is too steep.
You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue. I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.
There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world. We can't save them all. We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do. We need to pick our Wars more carefully.
Not 'unwinnable'.
Simply lack of will.
If the enemy are repeatedly bombed until there is no one left to bomb, then there will be victory.
The United States seems to wage half-hearted methods until their electorate and media eventually get fed up and then force the government to abandon everything. Their enemies know this, they just have to wait them out.
Democracies are not made for offensive campaigns, where the way only for victory is complete annihilation of the enemy at any cost.
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I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement, continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..
Can't be solved by force.
It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture, technology, class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.
Won't? It's can't. The Kurds are fierce fighters but they have neither the numbers or resources to win. It's always like that when it's a totalitarian regime versus the people.
And, the truth of the matter is, that force, or the threat of force, solves everything. Or rather wins everything. You can debate and discuss all you want but if you can't back it by a threat of force then you lose. Economic sanctions, essentially starving someone, is a form of force.
And change for good absolutely does not happen over time. Look at the world. American, a relatively peaceful, safe, free and prosperous nation is an anomaly. And it didn't just happen over time. A lot of brave and selfless men spilled their blood so that both of us can sit here in our climate controlled environment, sipping a beverage, typing of a computer.
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I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement, continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..
Can't be solved by force.
It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture, technology, class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.
How do you think countries and nations are formed?
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Not 'unwinnable'.
Simply lack of will.
If the enemy are repeatedly bombed until there is no one left to bomb, then there will be victory.
The United States seems to wage half-hearted methods until their electorate and media eventually get fed up and then force the government to abandon everything. Their enemies know this, they just have to wait them out.
Democracies are not made for offensive campaigns, where the way only for victory is complete annihilation of the enemy at any cost.
Yes, but now the argument has changed from do we fight to how we fight. The reasons, really since Vietnam when for the first time everything was televised and the media worked against you, we don't fight to win. That is a separate issue and probably the biggest obstacle in modern warfare for us.
You're so right and I don't have an answer. I just shake my head. How much do people have to suffer before we finally accept that we are dealing with monsters that masquerade as human beings and are just not civilized people and we take the gloves off and do some slaughtering ourselves? Hiroshima and Dresden saved lives in the long run and made for a better world.
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How do you think countries and nations are formed?
LOL. People forget, or more likely, never knew, that virtually every inch of this planet has been conquered and re-conquered over the centuries. All by the strong. All by force or threat of force (as in the case of Hawaii).
I only wish the Left understood how important it is to have a strong military. It's one of the few things that government is authorized to do and not all these social programs that the Left wants the money to go to.
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Isn't it interesting that we had what a 2 year investigation into alleged Russian interference in our election, but no one bats an eye at this
that;s because the general public are too stupid to see the glaring hypocrisy staring them in the face. the US and co can go around the globe trying to instigate or directly bring about "regime change" in as many sovereign nations as they see fit.
yet if russia gets involved in a conflict on it's own doorstep(ukraine) the "west" is up in arms that russia should involve itself in the internal affairs of another sovereign nation.
you only have to the read the OP's drivel and the majority of responses in this thread to see how dumbed down and easily hoodwinked the general population are. same thing in the UK.
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Uncle Pellius:
clueless servant of power
Pitiful 'thinker'
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I'd find it hard to say the US military is underfunded.
Regarding Saddam Hussein (who the US put in power...he was our Assad) do you really believe the Middle East is more stable today with him gone?
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Mattis just announced his retirement.
This is a very bold move on his part.
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Who is General Maddox?
Jesus...
I think we all know he meant General James Mattis.
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I've have often thought we (the U.S.) should stay out of other countries' business. Unfortunately, it is never as simple as that. Everything has consequences.
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I'd find it hard to say the US military is underfunded.
Regarding Saddam Hussein (who the US put in power...he was our Assad) do you really believe the Middle East is more stable today with him gone?
Actually, Hussein and Iraq was a client State of the Soviet Union. Iran was our ally under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. After Carter turned his back on Reza the Islamic Revolution took off with full steam and the Ayatollah Khomeini came to power and this is what led to what we have today.
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Actually, Hussein and Iraq was a client State of the Soviet Union. Iran was our ally under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. After Carter turned his back on Reza the Islamic Revolution took off with full steam and the Ayatollah Khomeini came to power and this is what led to what we have today.
Good one, Pellius.
After the overthrow of the Shah of Iran the US began to support Saddam and the Soviets stopped.
You are correct about the Soviets initially backing Saddam before that.
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The best move Trump has made in office as of yet.
I don't take it for granted either. It took balls and probably < 5 people knew of it. Well planned.
Well planned? He doesn't plan anything, he doesn't have a fuckin clue what he is doing. He did this to appease Putin, period. Nobody agrees with this except Russia. Nobody does shit like this without consulting anyone like this dumbass did.
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Well planned? He doesn't plan anything, he doesn't have a fuckin clue what he is doing. He did this to appease Putin, period. Nobody agrees with this except Russia. Nobody does shit like this without consulting anyone like this dumbass did.
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"Defense"? You are a child. Go to your room, little boy. I merely state what I hold true. I'm not here to change the diaper that is your mind.
I know...You'll need to ponder that and maybe even ax yo' mammy. Later, lib.
lol again, doesn't point out anything related to thread, but "shut up queer". You must look as dumb as you sound, lol
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Won't? It's can't. The Kurds are fierce fighters but they have neither the numbers or resources to win. It's always like that when it's a totalitarian regime versus the people.
And, the truth of the matter is, that force, or the threat of force, solves everything. Or rather wins everything. You can debate and discuss all you want but if you can't back it by a threat of force then you lose. Economic sanctions, essentially starving someone, is a form of force.
And change for good absolutely does not happen over time. Look at the world. American, a relatively peaceful, safe, free and prosperous nation is an anomaly. And it didn't just happen over time. A lot of brave and selfless men spilled their blood so that both of us can sit here in our climate controlled environment, sipping a beverage, typing of a computer.
Sorry pelli is, this is not one of your stronger posts and i think you are wrong on every point youve made here. Root causes that lead to extremism need to be addressed. Jobs, education, strong economy, production.... how many radicals come to America with plans of pulling off another 9/11 only after they get here they find that they like strip clubs and cheeseburgers and ipods and gym memberships and getting laid and driving sports cars? More often than you think. Afghanistan has been war torn for 40 fucking years. The US has been doing the fighting for the past 20. What do you think will happen?
War is an industry. It's not meant to be "won"
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Actually, Hussein and Iraq was a client State of the Soviet Union. Iran was our ally under Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. After Carter turned his back on Reza the Islamic Revolution took off with full steam and the Ayatollah Khomeini came to power and this is what led to what we have today.
I don't get it.
Some of us might remember the good old days of the Iran-Iraq War of the 80's,which pitted Arabs against Persians.
At that time, the CIA,supplied arms to Iran,under Ayatollah Khomeini, and used the profits to secretly fund right-wing Contra rebels in Nicaragua.
On the other side,they also supplied intelligence to the Iraqis and looked the other way when the Iraqi army acquired chemical weapons,with the aid of western firms. These weapons were used against the Iranian army and Iranian population centres and against the Kurds(who were allies of the Iranians), turning the tide of the war in favour of the Iraqis.
The US state department even tried to pin the gas attacks against the Kurds on the Iranians. At the time it seems the US was slightly closer to Iraq than Iran and obviously did not want to get blamed for the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction:
"The U.S. State Department, in the immediate aftermath of the incident, took the official position that Iran was partly to blame. A preliminary Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) study at the time reported that Iran was responsible for the attack, an assessment which was used subsequently by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for much of the early 1990s. The CIA's senior political analyst for the Iran-Iraq war, Stephen C. Pelletiere, co-authored an unclassified analysis of the war which contained a brief summary of the DIA study's key points. Pelletiere claimed that blue discolorations around the mouths of the victims and in their extremities suggested that a blood agent using cyanide was used in the attack at Halabja, and that only Iran was known to have used blood agents during the war. No proof that Iran had previously used hydrocyanic gas, as asserted by the DIA, was ever presented."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Allegations_of_Iranian_involvement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Allegations_of_Iranian_involvement)
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/11/22/iraqs-chemical-warfare/ (https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/11/22/iraqs-chemical-warfare/)
So,without letting each country get a decisive victory in that war,the US, under Reagan, got two of the most powerful countries in the Middle East to grind each other to dust. And the policy made a lot of strategic sense. If either did achieve total supremacy over each other, they could end up being an existential threat to neighbouring Israel or the strategic Arabian peninsula,with its massive oil and gas reserves.
That's what most people now don't get. Didn't the 2003 invasion ,with the destruction of the Iraqi Ba'ath party and the end of Sunni minority rule in Iraq, simply hand over Shiite-majority Iraq to Iran and ,so, allow Iran to potentially dominate the Middle East?
It seems the exact opposite of the cynical but effective US policy ,of the 80's.
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You are correct about the Soviets initially backing Saddam before that.
On that point,I believe the Kurds were Marxists before the 90's and supported by the Soviets. They wanted to carve a Communist state out of eastern Turkey. So they have these ties to Russia. The Turks of course are part of NATO and longstanding US allies .
Back to Iraq and Saddam, the French were very good friends too:
Could've been so different.......
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Sorry pelli is, this is not one of your stronger posts and i think you are wrong on every point youve made here. Root causes that lead to extremism need to be addressed. Jobs, education, strong economy, production.... how many radicals come to America with plans of pulling off another 9/11 only after they get here they find that they like strip clubs and cheeseburgers and ipods and gym memberships and getting laid and driving sports cars? More often than you think. Afghanistan has been war torn for 40 fucking years. The US has been doing the fighting for the past 20. What do you think will happen?
War is an industry. It's not meant to be "won"
Exactly - why are the bottom people, who are fed to the monies-machine, so feverishly ignorant of that simple point?
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We did the absolute right thing in taking out Hussein. If we didn't, due to his expansionist policies and attacking every one of his neighbors, we would be living in a different world today and not just because of high gas prices.
Erdogan has vowed to destroy the Kurds. We have just given him the green light. I know some people don't care about the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children. You should thank God that you live in this country and not have to worry, or even care, about the suffering of others, a blessing you did nothing to earn or deserve. You just won one of life's lottery.
I care, and so do many others, about all people, not just Americans. If we can save innocent lives then we should.
We have an all-volunteer Army. Everyone who joins the military understands, or should understand, that despite all the other benefits they get, their primary duty is to defend and fight for this country for its interest. And if we are going to be a force for good in this world, and we are, then that also means defending those who are innocent and can't defend themselves.
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history is written by the victors. force for good my ass... it was a damn lie that got us into Iraq (wmd's)
and never accuse me of not loving America or appreciating her.... or else I may have to do some digging into your past posts about 15 yr old girls, etc.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend until he becomes my enemy then the enemy of him is my friend until he becomes my enemy and then the... :P
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Sorry pelli is, this is not one of your stronger posts and i think you are wrong on every point youve made here. Root causes that lead to extremism need to be addressed. Jobs, education, strong economy, production.... how many radicals come to America with plans of pulling off another 9/11 only after they get here they find that they like strip clubs and cheeseburgers and ipods and gym memberships and getting laid and driving sports cars? More often than you think. Afghanistan has been war torn for 40 fucking years. The US has been doing the fighting for the past 20. What do you think will happen?
War is an industry. It's not meant to be "won"
if pelius had any clue what he was on about he wouldn't be talking about the kurds as the "people" . the kurds see themselves as a separate ethnic group and have no interest in toppling assad, their only goal is to secure an autonomous region in northern syria and they fight all comers.
the only reason the kurds are now being heralded as some great US ally is because they're pretty much all that's left of the resistance. all the jihadi groups that the US were covertly backing have capitulated. the kurdish fighters the US is funding are for all intents and purposes part of the same group that is also on your list of proscribed terrorist organisations!
the US aim was to see the country stay splintered into sectarian regions for as long as possible(like libya) so it would no longer be a useful iranian ally. there's an admission of exactly that in the DoD document i posted a link to earlier.
and then you have a ton of braindead sheple like pelius that actually believe US involvement in syria was some sort of humanitarian mission.
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Well planned? He doesn't plan anything, he doesn't have a fuckin clue what he is doing. He did this to appease Putin, period. Nobody agrees with this except Russia. Nobody does shit like this without consulting anyone like this dumbass did.
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Sorry pelli is, this is not one of your stronger posts and i think you are wrong on every point youve made here. Root causes that lead to extremism need to be addressed. Jobs, education, strong economy, production.... how many radicals come to America with plans of pulling off another 9/11 only after they get here they find that they like strip clubs and cheeseburgers and ipods and gym memberships and getting laid and driving sports cars? More often than you think. Afghanistan has been war torn for 40 fucking years. The US has been doing the fighting for the past 20. What do you think will happen?
War is an industry. It's not meant to be "won"
Sorry, you don't get jobs, education, and a strong economy in a totalitarian state.
Wars are indeed won and things change. Whether for good or bad depends on the winner and what side you are on. WW1, WW2, The Civil War, Kuwaiti War, War of 1812, Revolutionary War that created America, Mexican/American War, Spanish/American War.
Nothing to do with Banks or Bankers. Nothing to do with oil except fot Kuwait.
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I don't get it.
Some of us might remember the good old days of the Iran-Iraq War of the 80's,which pitted Arabs against Persians.
At that time, the CIA,supplied arms to Iran,under Ayatollah Khomeini, and used the profits to secretly fund right-wing Contra rebels in Nicaragua.
On the other side,they also supplied intelligence to the Iraqis and looked the other way when the Iraqi army acquired chemical weapons,with the aid of western firms. These weapons were used against the Iranian army and Iranian population centres and against the Kurds(who were allies of the Iranians), turning the tide of the war in favour of the Iraqis.
The US state department even tried to pin the gas attacks against the Kurds on the Iranians. At the time it seems the US was slightly closer to Iraq than Iran and obviously did not want to get blamed for the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction:
"The U.S. State Department, in the immediate aftermath of the incident, took the official position that Iran was partly to blame. A preliminary Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) study at the time reported that Iran was responsible for the attack, an assessment which was used subsequently by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for much of the early 1990s. The CIA's senior political analyst for the Iran-Iraq war, Stephen C. Pelletiere, co-authored an unclassified analysis of the war which contained a brief summary of the DIA study's key points. Pelletiere claimed that blue discolorations around the mouths of the victims and in their extremities suggested that a blood agent using cyanide was used in the attack at Halabja, and that only Iran was known to have used blood agents during the war. No proof that Iran had previously used hydrocyanic gas, as asserted by the DIA, was ever presented."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Allegations_of_Iranian_involvement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack#Allegations_of_Iranian_involvement)
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/11/22/iraqs-chemical-warfare/ (https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/11/22/iraqs-chemical-warfare/)
So,without letting each country get a decisive victory in that war,the US, under Reagan, got two of the most powerful countries in the Middle East to grind each other to dust. And the policy made a lot of strategic sense. If either did achieve total supremacy over each other, they could end up being an existential threat to neighbouring Israel or the strategic Arabian peninsula,with its massive oil and gas reserves.
That's what most people now don't get. Didn't the 2003 invasion ,with the destruction of the Iraqi Ba'ath party and the end of Sunni minority rule in Iraq, simply hand over Shiite-majority Iraq to Iran and ,so, allow Iran to potentially dominate the Middle East?
It seems the exact opposite of the cynical but effective US policy ,of the 80's.
Both were our enemies. Didn't matter that they were killing each other. We tried to get what we could out of it. The Iran Contra deal was, as Oliver North out it, "a neat idea". American hostages were freed, the war against Communist expansion was further financed.
Iran and Iraq continued to kill each other.
A neat idea.
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On that point,I believe the Kurds were Marxists before the 90's and supported by the Soviets. They wanted to carve a Communist state out of eastern Turkey. So they have these ties to Russia. The Turks of course are part of NATO and longstanding US allies .
Back to Iraq and Saddam, the French were very good friends too:
Could've been so different.......
Didn't watch the video but very glad you are reminding people that seem to forget, or never knew, that Saddamn Hussein did build a nuclear reactor which proved that he had designs to build a nuclear weapon and control the Middle East, oil supply, and destroy Israel.
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history is written by the victors. force for good my ass... it was a damn lie that got us into Iraq (wmd's)
and never accuse me of not loving America or appreciating her.... or else I may have to do some digging into your past posts about 15 yr old girls, etc.
Imagine a world without America. Fascism, Communism, Socialism -- take your choice. And then in the same breath say you love America.
As far as your threats -- yawn. I know who I am. God knows who I am. This board knows who I am. And even you don't believe I am a pedophile. It is a meme started by ND that people use when they have nothing else. Doesn't faze me anymore. I've said some horrible things on this board. And if I had the interest and desire to go through your entire post history I'm sure I'll find some on you. But I have much better things to do.
And people say I take this board too seriously
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if pelius had any clue what he was on about he wouldn't be talking about the kurds as the "people" . the kurds see themselves as a separate ethnic group and have no interest in toppling assad, their only goal is to secure an autonomous region in northern syria and they fight all comers.
the only reason the kurds are now being heralded as some great US ally is because they're pretty much all that's left of the resistance. all the jihadi groups that the US were covertly backing have capitulated. the kurdish fighters the US is funding are for all intents and purposes part of the same group that is also on your list of proscribed terrorist organisations!
the US aim was to see the country stay splintered into sectarian regions for as long as possible(like libya) so it would no longer be a useful iranian ally. there's an admission of exactly that in the DoD document i posted a link to earlier.
and then you have a ton of braindead sheple like pelius that actually believe US involvement in syria was some sort of humanitarian mission.
Once again you lie and just make things up. I never said the Kurds wanted to topple Assad. I never said it was a humanitarian mission.
Other than that I agree with the rest of what you said. Surprised that you have some understanding, better than most, of this situation. Maybe you're not completely hopeless.
Now get back to the chicken plant
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Well planned? He doesn't plan anything, he doesn't have a fuckin clue what he is doing. He did this to appease Putin, period. Nobody agrees with this except Russia. Nobody does shit like this without consulting anyone like this dumbass did.
Trumps fans arent exactly smart. He could murder their children and theyd find a way to call him a genius
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Trumps fans arent exactly smart. He could murder their children and theyd find a way to call him a genius
Hillary supporters aren't exactly smart. She could allow an American diplomat to be murdered or give classified information to our enemies and they would still vote for her.
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why is Iran a bigger threat to the US than Saudi Arabia?
"cause they kicked out our boy, the Shah.
I remember in school the textbook telling us what a great guy the Shah was.
The reality was he a sick, twisted bastard.
The Saudi's are sick, twisted bastards too but they are our sick, twisted bastards (who funded and committed 9/11 and fund radical, whacked out Wahhabism).
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Everyone concerned about the US securing Syria and their border but not our own border ???
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Everyone concerned about the US securing Syria and their border but not our own border ???
Strangely ( ???) nobody talks about 764 km long wall between Turkey & Syria financed by EU.
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We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.
Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.
I just don't get it.
General James Mattis just announced his retirement.
Hate to say it dude, millions of people have died, are dying and will die eventually of natural and unnatural causes and there isn't a single thing you, me, us, or anyone else can do about it.
I understand some are delusional enough to think that their actions can bring about world change and harmony but... it doesn't.
Learn to live understanding some things: 1. You are not perfect, 2. The world isn't a perfect place and it will NEVER be, 3. You will die eventually and so will everyone else and 4. Energy, including negative energy, just doesn't disappear, it moves on to something else.
We, as humans, aren't even supposed to be here. Everything around us is hostile to living things. Volcanos don't give a shit about your car. Tsunamis can care less about your beach chair. A tornado doesn't give a flying fuck about your feelings.
We exist in a hostile and complex system. Do your best not to fuck it up (YOUR actions, not someone else's) and be the best human being you can be.
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Strangely ( ???) nobody talks about 764 km long wall between Turkey & Syria financed by EU.
Would the EU be nice enough to pay for the wall between the US and Mexico?
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Everyone concerned about the US securing Syria and their border but not our own border ???
What on earth makes you think that? You can care about both. And, truth be told, most Americans don't even know where Syria is let alone care one whit about it.
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history is written by the victors. force for good my ass... it was a damn lie that got us into Iraq (wmd's)
and never accuse me of not loving America or appreciating her.... or else I may have to do some digging into your past posts about 15 13 yr old girls, etc.
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Hate to say it dude, millions of people have died, are dying and will die eventually of natural and unnatural causes and there isn't a single thing you, me, us, or anyone else can do about it.
I understand some are delusional enough to think that their actions can bring about world change and harmony but... it doesn't.
Learn to live understanding some things: 1. You are not perfect, 2. The world isn't a perfect place and it will NEVER be, 3. You will die eventually and so will everyone else and 4. Energy, including negative energy, just doesn't disappear, it moves on to something else.
We, as humans, aren't even supposed to be here. Everything around us is hostile to living things. Volcanos don't give a shit about your car. Tsunamis can care less about your beach chair. A tornado doesn't give a flying fuck about your feelings.
We exist in a hostile and complex system. Do your best not to fuck it up (YOUR actions, not someone else's) and be the best human being you can be.
I was going to respond to each point you made but this is probably one of the most foolish, out of left field, naive, cacophy of utter nonsense I have ever read on this board. I wish I knew you in real life so I could maybe figure out how a grown adult, presumably mentally stable, could develop such a beyond absurd world view. This is flat earth/reptilian hybrid kind of talk.
Seriously. You caught me flat footed on this one.
Wow. Just wow.
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Hate to say it dude, millions of people have died, are dying and will die eventually of natural and unnatural causes and there isn't a single thing you, me, us, or anyone else can do about it.
Doctors save lives everyday. That's just one example, but there are many others.
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I cannot let my hate of Democrats cloud my judgement anymore, I also don’t give two whites about Syrians and understand the position of getting out, but doing it without telling the Turks to back off from the Kurds is not right, the Turks are now going to look to take territory and that’s not right, turning your back on allies like them is not right, leave but do it with the Turks recognising that whilst they don’t have to accept their territory as sovereign, but they do need to accept their status and position as an ally of the USA.
Leaving the way he’s leaving is a dog act and he looks no
Different to other us presidents who have done similar.
You should not serve your own self interests as a person or s nation in such a way, I don’t agree with what he’s done here, I still wouldn’t vote democrat ever, but he’s lost on this act. Poor Kurds.
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Doctors save lives everyday. That's just one example, but there are many others.
Sure we all die but to argue that it doesn't when and how we die is just incomprehensibly asinine.
I've seen this fellas name pop up here and there in threads over the years but never really paid much attention. Now I am utterly fascinated with him and will pay much closer attention when he writes.
How do people get this way?
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What on earth makes you think that? You can care about both. And, truth be told, most Americans don't even know where Syria is let alone care one whit about it.
You didn't start a thread about innocent Americans losing their lives.
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Would the EU be nice enough to pay for the wall between the US and Mexico?
No problems there, just contact J.C. Juncker (aka Juncker the Drunker) when drunk he will sign anything.
Go to YouTube & search about him ;D ;D ;D
Why not constructing Canadian wall 2 !.
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Billions for defense but not one cent for a wall!
:D
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150 billion to Iran was it? But nothing for a wall for America. Anyone that is a Democrat is without a moral compass and should be deported to muslime lands to live out the rest of their lives.
Shame on any and all that oppose protecting our Nation.
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Once again you lie and just make things up. I never said the Kurds wanted to topple Assad. I never said it was a humanitarian mission.
Other than that I agree with the rest of what you said. Surprised that you have some understanding, better than most, of this situation. Maybe you're not completely hopeless.
Now get back to the chicken plant
you said (roughly) "this is what happens when dictators fight the people", referring to the kurds. the kurds are not syrian people or at least not as they view themselves.
how can you agree with what i said? it's in complete contradiction to everything you've posted. you think US troops were in syria stopping "slaughter" . i say that's BS.
you're saying the kurds are your "ally" . the kurds are no more your ally than al qaeda were in libya (and syria). the kurdish fighters you're backing are more or less a splinter group of the PKK a US outlawed terrorist group.
none of these groups are your allies, they all know the duplicitous nature of the US and co and that you can and will change allegiance at the drop of a hat. it was nothing more than an alliance of convenience.
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Doctors save lives everyday. That's just one example, but there are many others.
I'm talking holistically dude.
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I was going to respond to each point you made but this is probably one of the most foolish, out of left field, naive, cacophy of utter nonsense I have ever read on this board. I wish I knew you in real life so I could maybe figure out how a grown adult, presumably mentally stable, could develop such a beyond absurd world view. This is flat earth/reptilian hybrid kind of talk.
Seriously. You caught me flat footed on this one.
Wow. Just wow.
Dude, make your word count. Put some umpt behind what you say. Don't scream murder when you all you have is a scratch on your arm.
Exaggerations are a telltale sign that that which you are trying to convince people of is simply unconvincing.
Insults are usually the next step in the arsenal of bullshit stories.
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how can you agree with what i said? it's in complete contradiction to everything you've posted.
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you said (roughly) "this is what happens when dictators fight the people", referring to the kurds. the kurds are not syrian people or at least not as they view themselves.
how can you agree with what i said? it's in complete contradiction to everything you've posted. you think US troops were in syria stopping "slaughter" . i say that's BS.
you're saying the kurds are your "ally" . the kurds are no more your ally than al qaeda were in libya (and syria). the kurdish fighters you're backing are more or less a splinter group of the PKK a US outlawed terrorist group.
none of these groups are your allies, they all know the duplicitous nature of the US and co and that you can and will change allegiance at the drop of a hat. it was nothing more than an alliance of convenience.
Please just kill yourself already.
You are worse than worthless you filthy Paki inbred.
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Dude, make your word count. Put some umpt behind what you say. Don't scream murder when you all you have is a scratch on your arm.
Exaggerations are a telltale sign that that which you are trying to convince people of is simply unconvincing.
Insults are usually the next step in the arsenal of bullshit stories.
Of course, Slapper. Anything you say. You fascinate me and have made this board a bit more interesting for me.
** puts in a headlock and gives an affectionate noogie **
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are you always this polite and considerate or did you make an extra special effort on this occasion?
This is definitely a special case.
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are you always this polite and considerate or did you make an extra special effort on this occasion?
the irony is pelius looks way more like the image he's posted than i ever do!
ffs people use pics of pelius as their avi because he's such a fked up weird looking creature! lol
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We did the absolute right thing in taking out Hussein. If we didn't, due to his expansionist policies and attacking every one of his neighbors, we would be living in a different world today and not just because of high gas prices.
Erdogan has vowed to destroy the Kurds. We have just given him the green light. I know some people don't care about the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children. You should thank God that you live in this country and not have to worry, or even care, about the suffering of others, a blessing you did nothing to earn or deserve. You just won one of life's lottery.
I care, and so do many others, about all people, not just Americans. If we can save innocent lives then we should.
We have an all-volunteer Army. Everyone who joins the military understands, or should understand, that despite all the other benefits they get, their primary duty is to defend and fight for this country for its interest. And if we are going to be a force for good in this world, and we are, then that also means defending those who are innocent and can't defend themselves.
You're speaking like someone who can best be described as being a useful idiot. Politicians, especially war-hawks, adore people such as yourself.
Hussein barely had a competent army, let alone WMD's which would have made him capable of pursuing expansionist policies. Iraq has been a disaster.
The Kurdish forces (which are mostly a collection of radical Marxists/Communists) are "allies" much like the Mujahideen (Tablian) have previously been allies of America.
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Sure we all die but to argue that it doesn't when and how we die is just incomprehensibly asinine.
I've seen this fellas name pop up here and there in threads over the years but never really paid much attention. Now I am utterly fascinated with him and will pay much closer attention when he writes.
How do people get this way?
It's called the nihilistic philosophy and it is a very popular philosophy today in popular culture. It is one of the main reasons why out culture is going to Hell in a hand basket.
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when could today no longer afford a handcart
Soon it will be smaller than a wallet.
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I believe it is very important to give credit where credit is due.
-President Barack Obama created the conditions for ISIS to flourish in 2010 and 2011, when he essentially stopped talking to Maliki, and then ordered the sudden drawdown in IZ (which caught DoD completely by surprise).
-President Barack Obama armed ISIS when his administration flooded Syria with hundreds of tons of light, medium, and heavy weapons (with John Brennan taking a major role in shifting those weapons from Libya to Syria).
-President Barack Obama then avoided targeting ISIS because of his fantasy unicorn force of amazingly moderate freedom fighters that was supposedly prevalent and mixed in among ISIS. Obama repeatedly denied ISIS was a problem, even as ISIS took over a vast swath of territory.
I am not a big fan of President Trump. That said, President Trump cleaned up the mess he inherited from Barack Obama. DJT did so without constantly blaming BHO for creating the mess (BHO blamed GWB for everything bad that happened from 2009-2017).
DJT has demonstrated a willingness to develop situations, as opposed to allowing situations to develop. That shows leadership and willingness to take decisive action. That is a marked departure from the Obama Admin's "Leading From Behind" policies. That makes some folks uncomfortable, because some folks don't understand that failure to make a decision is still making a decision, albeit a bad one.
Barack Obama's foreign policy will continue to fester and cause issues that DJT will have to clean up. BHO's ill-advised actions created problems with no good solution, but DJT is playing the hand he was dealt.
So...in all seriousness, if you have an issue with how President Trump acts, and you didn't have an issue with how President Obama acted, you have an infantile view of foreign policy. Stick to Instagram pictures of cupcakes and Facebook updates from Justin Bieber.
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It's called the nihilistic philosophy and it is a very popular philosophy today in popular culture. It is one of the main reasons why out culture is going to Hell in a hand basket.
You DO know that death is not the worst thing that can happen to you... right?
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Of course, Slapper. Anything you say. You fascinate me and have made this board a bit more interesting for me.
** puts in a headlock and gives an affectionate noogie **
Look, I understand that elbowing myself into the conversation isn't really fair to anyone but... this nonsense about Syrians and Palestinians and all Muslims in general is really tiresome at this point. I'm really spent and out of ammunition trying to defend good Muslims (which I know is 95% of the population). I've matured and have a clearer sense of what is genuine, important and most of all, honest.
The Muslim community, right now, is eerily quiet and seems to be eerily fascinated by radical Islam's goal of a world caliphate, not knowing or not wanting to know that they are infinitely closer to having their countries turn into a large bowl of glass.
We need that 95% to come out and say "fuck you radical Islamists, fuck you Salafists/Wahhabists and fuck Mohammed if all it means is death".
Until then, please spare me your morality issues.
On 9/11 I was right next to the WTC. When the second plane hit all the windows in my building were blown off. I had to crawl my 210-pound arse out of a 15th floor building only to find the front exit blocked by one of the plane engines, still smoking.
Please understand that for me, it's personal. After many, MANY, years of trying to understand and informing myself on the possible reasons for Islamic violence and blaming our government for it, Father Time has shown us ALL what the real reason is: The Koran and Islam. The reason people in Syria and most other Muslim countries have a shitty existence is Islam and the Koran, not the US. Islam and the Koran have been terrorizing people and minds for thousands of years now, at the very least many years before the US became an independent country, so it can't be the USA.
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Look, I understand that elbowing myself into the conversation isn't really fair to anyone but... this nonsense about Syrians and Palestinians and all Muslims in general is really tiresome at this point. I'm really spent and out of ammunition trying to defend good Muslims (which I know is 95% of the population). I've matured and have a clearer sense of what is genuine, important and most of all, honest.
The Muslim community, right now, is eerily quiet and seems to be eerily fascinated by radical Islam's goal of a world caliphate, not knowing or not wanting to know that they are infinitely closer to having their countries turn into a large bowl of glass.
We need that 95% to come out and say "fuck you radical Islamists, fuck you Salafists/Wahhabists and fuck Mohammed if all it means is death".
Until then, please spare me your morality issues.
On 9/11 I was right next to the WTC. When the second plane hit all the windows in my building were blown off. I had to crawl my 210-pound arse out of a 15th floor building only to find the front exit blocked by one of the plane engines, still smoking.
Please understand that for me, it's personal. After many, MANY, years of trying to understand and informing myself on the possible reasons for Islamic violence and blaming our government for it, Father Time has shown us ALL what the real reason is: The Koran and Islam. The reason people in Syria and most other Muslim countries have a shitty existence is Islam and the Koran, not the US. Islam and the Koran have been terrorizing people and minds for thousands of years now, at the very least many years before the US became an independent country, so it can't be the USA.
You make sense to me.
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You DO know that death is not the worst thing that can happen to you... right?
Yes, what is your point?
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Look, I understand that elbowing myself into the conversation isn't really fair to anyone but... this nonsense about Syrians and Palestinians and all Muslims in general is really tiresome at this point. I'm really spent and out of ammunition trying to defend good Muslims (which I know is 95% of the population). I've matured and have a clearer sense of what is genuine, important and most of all, honest.
The Muslim community, right now, is eerily quiet and seems to be eerily fascinated by radical Islam's goal of a world caliphate, not knowing or not wanting to know that they are infinitely closer to having their countries turn into a large bowl of glass.
We need that 95% to come out and say "fuck you radical Islamists, fuck you Salafists/Wahhabists and fuck Mohammed if all it means is death".
Until then, please spare me your morality issues.
On 9/11 I was right next to the WTC. When the second plane hit all the windows in my building were blown off. I had to crawl my 210-pound arse out of a 15th floor building only to find the front exit blocked by one of the plane engines, still smoking.
Please understand that for me, it's personal. After many, MANY, years of trying to understand and informing myself on the possible reasons for Islamic violence and blaming our government for it, Father Time has shown us ALL what the real reason is: The Koran and Islam. The reason people in Syria and most other Muslim countries have a shitty existence is Islam and the Koran, not the US. Islam and the Koran have been terrorizing people and minds for thousands of years now, at the very least many years before the US became an independent country, so it can't be the USA.
Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization and civilization in general.
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You don't try to reason with cockroaches.
You just step on them.
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Look, I understand that elbowing myself into the conversation isn't really fair to anyone but... this nonsense about Syrians and Palestinians and all Muslims in general is really tiresome at this point. I'm really spent and out of ammunition trying to defend good Muslims (which I know is 95% of the population). I've matured and have a clearer sense of what is genuine, important and most of all, honest.
The Muslim community, right now, is eerily quiet and seems to be eerily fascinated by radical Islam's goal of a world caliphate, not knowing or not wanting to know that they are infinitely closer to having their countries turn into a large bowl of glass.
We need that 95% to come out and say "fuck you radical Islamists, fuck you Salafists/Wahhabists and fuck Mohammed if all it means is death".
Until then, please spare me your morality issues.
On 9/11 I was right next to the WTC. When the second plane hit all the windows in my building were blown off. I had to crawl my 210-pound arse out of a 15th floor building only to find the front exit blocked by one of the plane engines, still smoking.
Please understand that for me, it's personal. After many, MANY, years of trying to understand and informing myself on the possible reasons for Islamic violence and blaming our government for it, Father Time has shown us ALL what the real reason is: The Koran and Islam. The reason people in Syria and most other Muslim countries have a shitty existence is Islam and the Koran, not the US. Islam and the Koran have been terrorizing people and minds for thousands of years now, at the very least many years before the US became an independent country, so it can't be the USA.
Excellent post
Well said
It’s Time the Decent Muslims Stood up a spoke out
And Time the Libtard Leftists Would Get it through
Their collective thick heads how Evil Islam & The Koran really are.