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Quad looks sick/fine. Would have won any of the recent shows if he competed.
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You must be watching something different to me.
Upper body looks good, but not improved. Condition looks great, but the Quad sweep has gone.
The video is also very telling. Evan lacks confidence, Jose realises this. He is trying his best to be positive without blowing smoke up Evans ass so sticks to complementing his condition.
Evan also always had amazing calves. They now look very average compared to what they once were. His lower body is done.
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But all the recent contests, everyone looks like dogshit, he seems to look better than most of them.
Hard to tell not standing near them, but calf-less guy just won a pro show, so? Cant really see his Thighs, but that one shot looked OK (to me at least, Im more into the strength stuff than judging thong-fests) but he seems to look better than the recent pro shows.
Ill take your word (and many others here) advice/opinion over my own, thats for sure when it comes to contest BB.
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I was impressed by this tbh.
My expectations were low. He looks very good, condition is great, upper body is good, he is looking fresher too imo. Where he was looking burnt out before the break.
That one side leg shot isn't enough, we can't say that his legs are there from the front until we see.
The fact that he won't show that leg says a lot. Jose goes "is that the leg"? Can we see? " as if to say if it's the bad leg we don't have to show it.....
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Centopani has a fucked up leg when did this happen? What happened?
Also when the new guy on the block is as good as Walker i expect only the top guys to stick around.
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But all the recent contests, everyone looks like dogshit, he seems to look better than most of them.
Hard to tell not standing near them, but calf-less guy just won a pro show, so? Cant really see his Thighs, but that one shot looked OK (to me at least, Im more into the strength stuff than judging thong-fests) but he seems to look better than the recent pro shows.
Ill take your word (and many others here) advice/opinion over my own, thats for sure when it comes to contest BB.
It's Very hard to compare a gym clip to contest footage too, not that I'm saying Evan couldn't have contended in the ny pro and Cali. Maybe he could have, but we won't know really how he will go until he has a crack.
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Centopani has a fucked up leg when did this happen? What happened?
Also when the new guy on the block is as good as Walker i expect only the top guys to stick around.
A few years back he slipped over on ice (if I rememeber right) and detached his patella tendon. No ones publicly seen a pic of the leg since.
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DID raymond retire?he is still holding on the close to same size.evan looks good 'huge'condition is great for not competing.
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Quad looks sick/fine. Would have won any of the recent shows if he competed.
Hi Mayor
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He’s done at this point. Pushing 40, can’t bring up his obvious weak points that he’s always had (Chest and back). Legs will never come back either. The sports passed him by. His physique, even at his best, is not what wins shows by today’s standards.
All in all for all the hype he got over the years, you have to consider his competitive career a disappointment. Only won one show and I think it was the Tampa pro.
Animal/Universal must pay him a small fortune.
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A few years back he slipped over on ice (if I rememeber right) and detached his patella tendon. No ones publicly seen a pic of the leg since.
Thats pretty disappointing. He had the hype train behind him to the fullest.
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He’s done at this point. Pushing 40, can’t bring up his obvious weak points that he’s always had (Chest and back). Legs will never come back either. The sports passed him by. His physique, even at his best, is not what wins shows by today’s standards.
All in all for all the hype he got over the years, you have to consider his competitive career a disappointment. Only won one show and I think it was the Tampa pro.
Animal/Universal must pay him a small fortune.
WHAT was his overall placings?i mean he wasnt a total bust if he was top 5 many times.
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DID raymond retire?he is still holding on the close to same size.evan looks good 'huge'condition is great for not competing.
Jose says no since his hip replacement but I wouldn't be surprised.
Definitely blew back up.
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DID raymond retire?he is still holding on the close to same size.evan looks good 'huge'condition is great for not competing.
Yeah he retired at the end of 18 I think.....
As said above I won't be surprised if he comes back for one or more shows.
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He’s done at this point. Pushing 40, can’t bring up his obvious weak points that he’s always had (Chest and back). Legs will never come back either. The sports passed him by. His physique, even at his best, is not what wins shows by today’s standards.
All in all for all the hype he got over the years, you have to consider his competitive career a disappointment. Only won one show and I think it was the Tampa pro.
Animal/Universal must pay him a small fortune.
He has more than one win. He won ny pro.
But I agree he has been a disapointment, like you say he never really brought up his weak points. But he can still win shows if his legs arent trash the standard of physiques has dropped even more in the last ten years.
That's why he should do some small shows like Cali, he could have been in with a chance for a win there.
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He’s done at this point. Pushing 40, can’t bring up his obvious weak points that he’s always had (Chest and back). Legs will never come back either. The sports passed him by. His physique, even at his best, is not what wins shows by today’s standards.
All in all for all the hype he got over the years, you have to consider his competitive career a disappointment. Only won one show and I think it was the Tampa pro.
Animal/Universal must pay him a small fortune.
He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)
(https://scontent-muc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12472534_989281261164060_4650479035288721268_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=4_FL7CBjgFwAX9MXZxM&_nc_ht=scontent-muc2-1.xx&oh=1ce8dcdbf38c42dc396501e3354e15d7&oe=5F8649C8)
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Evan also always had amazing calves. They now look very average compared to what they once were. His lower body is done.
Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?
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He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)
(https://scontent-muc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12472534_989281261164060_4650479035288721268_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=4_FL7CBjgFwAX9MXZxM&_nc_ht=scontent-muc2-1.xx&oh=1ce8dcdbf38c42dc396501e3354e15d7&oe=5F8649C8)
He's losing to everybody in the shot.
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He's losing to everybody in the shot.
Yeah, but he was the (over)hyped US magazine cover-boy back then.
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Why are both of these guys juiced to the gills for? One hasn’t competed in years, the other supposedly “retired”
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Why are both of these guys juiced to the gills for? One hasn’t competed in years, the other supposedly “retired”
Insecurity and ego issues.
On the other hand, look at guys like Ben Pakulski. He gets off the juice and completely wastes away. He's completely unrecognizable --- probably still weighs around 200 pounds, but most of that weight is in his lower body, and he has the arms and torso of an average gymrat.
Need to strike a happy balance. It would be best for these guys to taper down to 300-400mg/week, take some SARMs, cut out the GH and insulin completely, and look like a golden-ager.
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He's losing to everybody in the shot.
The size of big Markus! It's a shame he didn't win more shows as he must be one of the top three biggest bodybuilders of all time.
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Insecurity and ego issues.
On the other hand, look at guys like Ben Pakulski. He gets off the juice and completely wastes away. He's completely unrecognizable --- probably still weighs around 200 pounds, but most of that weight is in his lower body, and he has the arms and torso of an average gymrat.
Need to strike a happy balance. It would be best for these guys to taper down to 300-400mg/week, take some SARMs, cut out the GH and insulin completely, and look like a golden-ager.
So if they stay big they're "insecure with ego issues" but if they lose size they're too small???
Honestly some of the nonsense people say amazes me...
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He's losing to everybody in the shot.
They're all soft except Evan and hide..
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He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)
(https://scontent-muc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12472534_989281261164060_4650479035288721268_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=4_FL7CBjgFwAX9MXZxM&_nc_ht=scontent-muc2-1.xx&oh=1ce8dcdbf38c42dc396501e3354e15d7&oe=5F8649C8)
Back when being big was still rewarded.
Using modern day judging Hide would be close to winning.
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Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?
I'm not sure, but I have a couple of theories.
A lot of guys with naturally big calves get that way because they walk more on their toes, rather than the ideal heel-toe walkers. The toe walking catches up with them as they get older and they develop debilitating cramps and pain in their calves making them less mobile and calves shrink.
In Evans case his shrinking calves is probably more related to his quad injury.
Forget all the above though when it comes to chinamen
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They're all soft except Evan and hide..
Really? Amazing how people have different perspectives. Compare him to Markus for example since they are standing next to each other. To me, the quads on Ruhl are much more separated in addition to being more developed. Look at Ruhl's chest compare to Evans. Much bigger and with more striations and a distinct split between the upper and lower chest, none of which Evan has. Delts are about even but Ruhl's are larger. Abs are about even. Both deeply etched except Ruhl's are more developed. Compare the size of the ab "'cubes". Evan kills Markus in the arm department in that shot. Then there's just the overall impression. Ruhl dewarfs Evan.
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Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?
I think legs in general are the first shrink with aging -- unless your name is Tom Platz. I still can't get over his quads at 65 years old.
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Really? Amazing how people have different perspectives. Compare him to Markus for example since they are standing next to each other. To me, the quads on Ruhl are much more separated in addition to being more developed. Look at Ruhl's chest compare to Evans. Much bigger and with more striations and a distinct split between the upper and lower chest, none of which Evan has. Delts are about even but Ruhl's are larger. Abs are about even. Both deeply etched except Ruhl's are more developed. Compare the size of the ab "'cubes". Evan kills Markus in the arm department in that shot. Then there's just the overall impression. Ruhl dewarfs Evan.
Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.
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Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.
I disagree. No way you can have clear muscle separation without low bodyfat and low fluid retention which equals conditioning in bbing terms. Graininess and vascularity is more of a genetic quality than muscle separation. Of all the Olympians only Dorian was grainy with maybe Ronnie to a much lesser extent.
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I disagree. No way you can have clear muscle separation without low bodyfat and low fluid retention which equals conditioning in bbing terms. Graininess and vascularity is more of a genetic quality than muscle separation. Of all the Olympians only Dorian was grainy with maybe Ronnie to a much lesser extent.
Jose Raymond is actually the best example of a guy who didn't have the best separation, but was grainy and vascular and looked hard.
Lionel beyeke is the best example of great muscle separation, but always looked soft.
(https://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/DSC_9626_EASBZOPGHU.jpg)
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Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.
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Pellius you are looking at separation not conditioning and hardness/dryness, evan was the driest of the group. This would be very noticeable in the rear shots.
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If Jose is done competing, it's time to downsize. Looks really heavy which is going to catch up with him.
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Jose Raymond is actually the best example of a guy who didn't have the best separation, but was grainy and vascular and looked hard.
Lionel beyeke is the best example of great muscle separation, but always looked soft.
(https://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/DSC_9626_EASBZOPGHU.jpg)
Ok, but I don't see how that proves your point unless you think all the Mr. Olympians were not in condition except Dorian.
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Pellius you are looking at separation not conditioning and hardness/dryness, evan was the driest of the group. This would be very noticeable in the rear shots.
Maybe, but I'm just going by these front shots an Ruhl is crushing him.
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Ok, but I don't see how that proves your point unless you think all the Mr. Olympians were not in condition except Dorian.
I think you've actually lost track of what my point was and the key words being "doesn't always"
Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.
And that was in response to you mentioning Ruhls separation and me comparing him to Evans conditioning. It had nothing to do with Olympians.
Ruhl was a glazed doughnut in 2009
(https://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/galerie_2011/13204_12_1.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q5622_YYUYTWGKEU.jpg)
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He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)
(https://scontent-muc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12472534_989281261164060_4650479035288721268_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=4_FL7CBjgFwAX9MXZxM&_nc_ht=scontent-muc2-1.xx&oh=1ce8dcdbf38c42dc396501e3354e15d7&oe=5F8649C8)
The sad thing is that I can look at that photo and recognize everyone in it. The pros today could be plastered on billboards and tv and I wouldn't have a clue to who they were.
One thing I always liked about Evan is that he didn't go the route of all the stupid tatttoos.
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Is that " Ana Lynn Bayly " chick (forgot her name) with leopard pants working out behind Evan at the 8 mins mark ?
WhoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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I think legs in general are the first shrink with aging -- unless your name is Tom Platz. I still can't get over his quads at 65 years old.
Really? I thought triceps... ???
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Scentopanty is looking pretty good. Both he and the trainer have a pretty interesting look - seems that the muscle is getting more and more vascular. McGrath always had this inflated balloon appearance.
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Really? I thought triceps... ???
Nah it's the quads, happens everytime.....
lack of lower back mobility, bad knees etc they're first things to really wear out.
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I think you've actually lost track of what my point was and the key words being "doesn't always"
And that was in response to you mentioning Ruhls separation and me comparing him to Evans conditioning. It had nothing to do with Olympians.
Ruhl was a glazed doughnut in 2009
(https://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/galerie_2011/13204_12_1.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q5622_YYUYTWGKEU.jpg)
OK, but in those pics it's obvious that the sweat and oil is just too much causing the sheen or "glaze". The guy is covered in veins and even has striations on his obliques. And you don't get anymore deeply etched and developed abs like that.
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Really? I thought triceps... ???
Triceps too. Draper wrote an article on his disappearing triceps.
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Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?
I think calves like arms on older bodybuilders it all comes down to nerve compression in the spine rather than local muscle issues, although circulation could certainly also be a factor for lower legs.
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OK, but in those pics it's obvious that the sweat and oil is just too much causing the sheen or "glaze". The guy is covered in veins and even has striations on his obliques. And you don't get anymore deeply etched and developed abs like that.
He is still holding excess bodyfat and water when compared Evan. That's why he looks "soft" or "glazed".
Also you're putting too much emphasis on separation. It looks impressive in pictures when muscles are etched, but in person and on the stage hardness/dryness looks just as impressive if not more so. Why do you think someone like Branch was so successful and someone like Lionel isn't.
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He is still holding excess bodyfat and water when compared Evan. That's why he looks "soft" or "glazed".
Also you're putting too much emphasis on separation. It looks impressive in pictures when muscles are etched, but in person and on the stage hardness/dryness looks just as impressive if not more so. Why do you think someone like Branch was so successful and someone like Lionel isn't.
Excess bodyfat? Where? I think you put too much emphasis on hardness/dryness. With the exception of Dorian and to a much lesser extent Ronnie, none of the other winners, I repeat, winners had that hard and grainy look. Personally, I don't even think it looks good. You look like you have lizard skin. That's why guys going back to Arnold look so good. They were not covered with veins with that lizard-like hide. They looked full and healthy.
And Branch Warren was so successful? Compared to whom? Branch and Jay are contemporaries. They competed against each other since they were in their teens. In the beginning Branch beat Jay. Not when they became pros. You would be hard press to find a vein anywhere on Jay's physique and he has never been described as dry and grainy. But he wins.
Bbing is a very subjective sport. This is another example. I prefer the dbol/Deca look. You prefer the Tren/Masteron look. I'll take cuts and separation over dry, vascular, graininess every time. Frank McGrath's forearms are jaw dropping. They are also gross looking to me.
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Excess bodyfat? Where?Time for an eyesight check. Look at his lower back, glutes and hams
I think you put too much emphasis on hardness/dryness. That's part of the judging criteria.
With the exception of Dorian and to a much lesser extent Ronnie, none of the other winners, I repeat, winners had that hard and grainy look. Phil and Jay at their best were hard and dry. Dexter was Hard and Grainy for his win too
Personally, I don't even think it looks good. You look like you have lizard skin. Modern bodybuilding (post Haney) isn't really about looking good, it's more about the freak factor
That's why guys going back to Arnold look so good. They were not covered with veins with that lizard-like hide. They looked full and healthy. You're talking about looking good and healthy and at the same time talking up Markus Ruhl. You seem more confused than Joswift at a Maths test.
And Branch Warren was so successful? Compared to whom? I actually give you a direct comparison. Double up on the eye test
Branch and Jay are contemporaries. They competed against each other since they were in their teens. In the beginning Branch beat Jay. Not when they became pros. You would be hard press to find a vein anywhere on Jay's physique and he has never been described as dry and grainy. Jay was plenty dry in 2009 But he wins.
Bbing is a very subjective sport. This is another example. I prefer the dbol/Deca look. You prefer the Tren/Masteron look. I'll take cuts and separation over dry, vascular, graininess every time. Frank McGrath's forearms are jaw dropping. They are also gross looking to me. Almost no one is walking around dry, vascular and grainy like they are on stage. It's called contest condition and it's used to help judge shows.
HTH
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Markus was still holding fat and water, pellius look at the upper quads, lower back region
These areas are some of the last places to come in, he's soft.
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HTH
Now it's because I have bad eyesight? Can anyone have an honest disagreement without it degenerating into personal insults? You can only wish you were that fat. There is no fat in the areas that you mentioned. Maybe a bit of water but no fat. A common mistake.
Separation and muscle definition is also part of the judging criteria.
I disagree. I would never have considered Jay and Phil as dry. That was one of the main criticisms of both of them. Dexter, yes, hard and dry, I mistakenly left him out. So now we have Dorian and Dexter.
Agree.
Another personal insult. I'm trying to be patient but you don't want to get into a pissing contest with me. You need to be more secure with your arguments and let them stand on it's on. Many didn't like the overall look of Ruhl's proportions and look. I don't consider Ruhl looking especially unhealthy by bbing standards. You always looked robust and strong.
Insult number three. If you are looking for a fight you're going to get one. If you want to spend the rest of life here on GetBig going back and forth with me then you know you're going to get it. This is another prime example where I don't start or look for a fight but still people want to get into it with me which never ends well. Where's Escrima lately? People never learn.
You compared Branch to Lionel, I compared Branch to Jay. I consider my comparison much more fair, equal, and relevant. Does that hurt your feelings?
Jay was in his all time best shape ever in 2009. He was dry in 2001. That's where it ends. He didn't win his Olympias by being dry and grainy. Even in 2009 it was the huge size increase that overwhelmed both his competition and the judges. That one exception, never done before or since, contest. Everything in the universe fell into place that day and something he was never able to duplicate.
Oh, is that what it's called? I spare you that and the "HTH" snarky sarcasm as my final attempt to keep it civil.
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Markus was still holding fat and water, pellius look at the upper quads, lower back region
These areas are some of the last places to come in, he's soft.
I disagree. If that is fat then everybody else in the world is morbidly obese. Evan may be harder and more dry but in those particular pics I don't think it's enough to beat Ruhl. I will say this, it doesn't bother me in the least that you disagree with me, how about you? Can someone disagree with you and you not take it as a personal affront like Flexacon?
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Now it's because I have bad eyesight? Can anyone have an honest disagreement without it degenerating into personal insults? You can only wish you were that fat. There is no fat in the areas that you mentioned. Maybe a bit of water but no fat. A common mistake.
Separation and muscle definition is also part of the judging criteria.
I disagree. I would never have considered Jay and Phil as dry. That was one of the main criticisms of both of them. Dexter, yes, hard and dry, I mistakenly left him out. So now we have Dorian and Dexter.
Agree.
Another personal insult. I'm trying to be patient but you don't want to get into a pissing contest with me. You need to be more secure with your arguments and let them stand on it's on. Many didn't like the overall look of Ruhl's proportions and look. I don't consider Ruhl looking especially unhealthy by bbing standards. You always looked robust and strong.
Insult number three. If you are looking for a fight you're going to get one. If you want to spend the rest of life here on GetBig going back and forth with me then you know you're going to get it. This is another prime example where I don't start or look for a fight but still people want to get into it with me which never ends well. Where's Escrima lately? People never learn.
You compared Branch to Lionel, I compared Branch to Jay. I consider my comparison much more fair, equal, and relevant. Does that hurt your feelings?
Jay was in his all time best shape ever in 2009. He was dry in 2001. That's where it ends. He didn't win his Olympias by being dry and grainy. Even in 2009 it was the huge size increase that overwhelmed both his competition and the judges. That one exception, never done before or since, contest. Everything in the universe fell into place that day and something he was never able to duplicate.
Oh, is that what it's called? I spare you that and the "HTH" snarky sarcasm as my final attempt to keep it civil.
No one is gonna read your walls of text. Keep it short and snappy.
I disagree. If that is fat then everybody else in the world is morbidly obese. Evan may be harder and more dry but in those particular pics I don't think it's enough to beat Ruhl. I will say this, it doesn't bother me in the least that you disagree with me, how about you? Can someone disagree with you and you not take it as a personal affront like Flexacon?
You must be going senile as you seem to be getting confused very easily. No one talking about how Ruhl looks like next to everyday people. It's pretty clear the comparison is to pros in contest condition.
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No one is gonna read your walls of text. Keep it short and snappy.
You must be going senile as you seem to be getting confused very easily. No one talking about how Ruhl looks like next to everyday people. It's pretty clear the comparison is to pros in contest condition.
OK asshole, here we go.
I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.
And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?
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OK asshole, here we go.
I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.
And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?
Nice jumping off point. LMFAO.
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OK asshole, here we go.
I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.
And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?
I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.
I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.
You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.
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I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.
The gauntlet has been thrown. Self sucking for depth at ten paces, fire up those cameras.
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I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.
I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.
You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.
LOL! The best you can do is just mimick my criticism. It was obvious that you take criticism personally and had to resort to personal insults. I simply stated my opinion and the reasons which seem to cause a lot of hurt feelings. So now your response is, "No, you're the one that take it's personally." The only think I took personally is personal insults.
I'm not surprised you have to suck your own cock. Shizzo can't be everywhere. Why don't you post a pic and show us what great shape you are in.
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LOL! The best you can do is just mimick my criticism. It was obvious that you take criticism personally and had to resort to personal insults. I simply stated my opinion and the reasons which seem to cause a lot of hurt feelings. So now your response is, "No, you're the one that take it's personally." The only think I took personally is personal insults.
I'm not surprised you have to suck your own cock. Shizzo can't be everywhere. Why don't you post a pic and show us what great shape you are in.
You didn't actually direct any criticism at me and I appreciate that, but I chose to throw personal insults in your direction because I find it funny how clueless you are about how bodybuilding judging works. I mean I don't exactly take much pride in being an excellent bodybuilding judge. It's actually something that's pretty embarrassing and I've genuinely avoided discussing judging and contests on here, but I just found your naivety and man love for Ruhl to difficult to resist.
What does my current shape have to do with any of the topics at hand though, other than you taking my criticism of Ruhl personally? If Ruhl himself was to ask me then it would make sense. What's your interest?
Also just because I can self suck, doesn't mean I do. Kinda like how you can hook up with underage girls, but don't.
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You didn't actually direct any criticism at me and I appreciate that, but I chose to throw personal insults in your direction because I find it funny how clueless you are about how bodybuilding judging works. I mean I don't exactly take much pride in being an excellent bodybuilding judge. It's actually something that's pretty embarrassing and I've genuinely avoided discussing judging and contests on here, but I just found your naivety and man love for Ruhl to difficult to resist.
What does my current shape have to do with any of the topics at hand though, other than you taking my criticism of Ruhl personally? If Ruhl himself was to ask me then it would make sense. What's your interest?
Also just because I can self suck, doesn't mean I do. Kinda like how you can hook up with underage girls, but don't.
A typical shallow and vapid response. Take pride in bbing? LOL. When one points out an advantage of another then it's man love? All while fawning over Evan? You really have no idea how pathetic you sound.
And when you go on about me being on a walker when chances are I am in much better shape than you are you're clueless. Not too bright, are you?
Of all the examples that you could have use you chose self-sucking. That says a lot. Why would such a thought even enter a person's head? And now you stoop to a long dismissed, settled, and banned subject. This serves as your first official warning. Like I said, Remember Escrima? Read his last post.
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I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.
I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.
You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.
This is getbig gold here ;D ;D
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Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.
Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.
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Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.
Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.
This is bro science....
If ruhl couldn't get better than this cause of "thick skin" why was he better in ny when he won?
Thick skin is an excuse for not suffering. Ruhl has some fat on his ass and lower back in this showing and is not elite level dry.
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This is getbig gold here ;D ;D
If you followed the thread there was no special love for Ruhl whatever one's fantasies are. I said In that pic Evan was losing to everyone imho. I chose Ruhl simple because he was standing right next to Evan for easy comparison. Something I specifically mentioned. No special bias as "Flex" has for Evan.
Btw, is this not directed to you. Just rereading Flex's post reminded me of this.
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Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.
Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.
Yes, that explanation makes more sense. I know there's no fat there so I automatically think water which can give the appearance of thick skin. But, you're right, some just have thicker skin.
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Ruhl needed to stay lighter off season and not allow his skin folds to get up, guarantee his body fat went up after he started using insulin, really need to eat clean and manage carbs if your an endo meso type like Ruhl. No doubt he took that much gh that his insulin sensitivity changed as well, what would have worked in earlier years didn't work in later years.
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If you followed the thread there was no special love for Ruhl whatever one's fantasies are. I said In that pic Evan was losing to everyone imho. I chose Ruhl simple because he was standing right next to Evan for easy comparison. Something I specifically mentioned. No special bias as "Flex" has for Evan.
Btw, is this not directed to you. Just rereading Flex's post reminded me of this.
This is why I keep saying you need to go get your eyes checked or you must be going senile. My post on the first page had very little to say that was positive about Evan. I didn't even say even should have won the show. My main talking point has been how condition is judged.
Meanwhile you can't stop sucking off Ruhl. I think we know why you have bad knees now.
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Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.
Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.
Ruhl without the lower back fat. Its not a thick skin issue
(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127529&d=1094925969)
(https://preview.redd.it/ntfespnamts11.png?auto=webp&s=d3d1483a1146309e13265b58332cdda89503800e)
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This is why I keep saying you need to go get your eyes checked or you must be going senile. My post on the first page had very little to say that was positive about Evan. I didn't even say even should have won the show. My main talking point has been how condition is judged.
Meanwhile you can't stop sucking off Ruhl. I think we know why you have bad knees now.
Funny you should mention my eyes. I just had my six month eye check up and at 60 years old I'm still at 20/25 and no reading glasses. I still have a full head of hair and a six-pack. None of this you can claim. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age.
You seem to be pretty obsessed with cock sucking. Both your own and fantasies of others sucking cock. You once again typify so many here. They don't train or workout, or look like they do, but here they are on a bodybuilding board with you in particular taking "pride" in your ability to judge another man's body.
Another closet phag exposed.
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Ruhl without the lower back fat. Its not a thick skin issue
(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127529&d=1094925969)
(https://preview.redd.it/ntfespnamts11.png?auto=webp&s=d3d1483a1146309e13265b58332cdda89503800e)
This is bro science....
If ruhl couldn't get better than this cause of "thick skin" why was he better in ny when he won?
Thick skin is an excuse for not suffering. Ruhl has some fat on his ass and lower back in this showing and is not elite level dry.
Ruhl may have had slightly lower bodyfat levels at other shows but you also can't always compare pics from two different shows as the lighting and picture quality may be dramatically different. Those earlier pics from NY are often stills from video from what I can tell. Gym vs stage are often very different as well. Usually pros don't get fatter as years go by, it can happen but usually they set a standard early on and consistently hit similar levels of conditioning with small variations.
The "thick skin" is a genetic issue for many. Brandon Curry simply can't get the skin to look like Hadi's for example. It's not that Curry is fat, it just doesn't look the same even if fat levels are very similar. One guy who always gets called shredded and grainy is Dexter but he has a blurry look to his skin IMO. Some feel this is often a problem for blacks in particular.
I have seen some claim that an all fish diet thins the skin. The theory is that fish contains certain types of collagen which beef doesn't which leads to the dermis to catabolize itself. Combined with drugs like Winstrol which have certain effects on collagen formation is supposed to thin the skin.
Flex Lewis has apparently claimed he sas able to thin his skin with an all fish diet. I'm pretty skeptical.
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Funny you should mention my eyes. I just had my six month eye check up and at 60 years old I'm still at 20/25 and no reading glasses. I still have a full head of hair and a six-pack. None of this you can claim. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age.
You seem to be pretty obsessed with cock sucking. Both your own and fantasies of others sucking cock. You once again typify so many here. They don't train or workout, or look like they do, but here they are on a bodybuilding board with you in particular taking "pride" in your ability to judge another man's body.
Another closet phag exposed.
More evidence of your senility. I actually said I'm embarrassed by my ability to judge a mans physique so try to avoid it.
No one gives a shit about what you look like and your just for men hair is nothing to brag about.
Also even as a straight heterosexual male I have been very open about my faggotory on here. There has been nothing closeted about my posts. Unlike you who can't get away from the image of a less than perfect rule and take any criticism of him as a personal insult.
He's fat, get over it.
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Ruhl may have had slightly lower bodyfat levels at other shows but you also can't always compare pics from two different shows as the lighting and picture quality may be dramatically different. Those earlier pics from NY are often stills from video from what I can tell. Gym vs stage are often very different as well. Usually pros don't get fatter as years go by, it can happen but usually they set a standard early on and consistently hit similar levels of conditioning with small variations.
The "thick skin" is a genetic issue for many. Brandon Curry simply can't get the skin to look like Hadi's for example. It's not that Curry is fat, it just doesn't look the same even if fat levels are very similar. One guy who always gets called shredded and grainy is Dexter but he has a blurry look to his skin IMO. Some feel this is often a problem for blacks in particular.
I have seen some claim that an all fish diet thins the skin. The theory is that fish contains certain types of collagen which beef doesn't which leads to the dermis to catabolize itself. Combined with drugs like Winstrol which have certain effects on collagen formation is supposed to thin the skin.
Flex Lewis has apparently claimed he sas able to thin his skin with an all fish diet. I'm pretty skeptical.
Some guys may have "thicker" skin than others, but this is comparing ruhl to ruhl. Lighting doesn't create skin rolls and lightning doesn't give you an xmas tree in the lower back. Lower body fat levels do that.
Flex also goes on very contest diets. No zero cal condiments, artificial sweeteners, nothing. I'd say his ability to suffer and stick to the diet has more of an important role than a fish diet.
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Look at this pic of Dexter, this is what is called inside out shredded and grainy ??? Looks fat and thick skinned to me.
Second pic, difference in skin between Hadi and Curry.
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Look at this pic of Dexter, this is what is called inside out shredded and grainy ??? Looks fat and thick skinned to me.
Second pic, difference in skin between Hadi and Curry.
That's a picture of big ramy bro
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=668373.0;attach=1273435;image)
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Some guys may have "thicker" skin than others, but this is comparing ruhl to ruhl. Lighting doesn't create skin rolls and lightning doesn't give you an xmas tree in the lower back. Lower body fat levels do that.
Well, christmas tree can often be just skin folds, it's not necessarily muscle fibers dancing under the skin. It is also helped by shadows, for example certain types of stage lighting. Then take screenshot off a crappy video and it's further enhanced.
Look closely at Arnold's Christmas tree here. It's clearly just skin folds, he isn't in superb condition here, there's still fat on his body.
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That's a picture of big ramy bro
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=668373.0;attach=1273435;image)
Oops, picked the wrong pic since the thumbnail was so small. Here:
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Here you can see what I mean. Imagine pinching the skin on his lower back. That's clearly very thick skin with some fat, not at all like say the skin on the back of your hand. It's not muscle fibers, it's skin folding in a certain way. Getting leaner would probably reduce the Christmas tree effect, especially when viewed at a distance.
If you've ever pinched the lower back of a contest lean bb you know what I mean. It may look ripped at a distance but those bags of fat/water gives the appearance of a Christmas tree.
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Lol this pic came up when I googled for Christmas trees.
Bodybuilding guru Ameen Alai shows off his Christmas Tree.
Dude is like 15% bodyfat, that's skin folding in a certain way over fat :D
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More evidence of your senility. I actually said I'm embarrassed by my ability to judge a mans physique so try to avoid it.
No one gives a shit about what you look like and your just for men hair is nothing to brag about.
Also even as a straight heterosexual male I have been very open about my faggotory on here. There has been nothing closeted about my posts. Unlike you who can't get away from the image of a less than perfect rule and take any criticism of him as a personal insult.
He's fat, get over it.
Actually, this is more of an example of your idiocy. I never took it personally. I made that clear many times. That's why I never insulted anybody that disagreed with me and repeatedly described it as an honest disagreement and reasonably presented my argument always qualifying it as my own personal opinion. And Markus was randomly chosen only because he happened to be standing next to Evan. I could have easily picked Hide instead. It is you who took personal offense and now I see why. Balding phaggots like you get very touchy when their taste in other men are questioned.
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Here you can see what I mean. Imagine pinching the skin on his lower back. That's clearly very thick skin with some fat, not at all like say the skin on the back of your hand. It's not muscle fibers, it's skin folding in a certain way. Getting leaner would probably reduce the Christmas tree effect, especially when viewed at a distance.
If you've ever pinched the lower back of a contest lean bb you know what I mean. It may look ripped at a distance but those bags of fat/water gives the appearance of a Christmas tree.
There is very little body fat on his lower back there.
I think what you're talking about is fat nodules (lipoma) some people can develop on their lower back that won't go away regardless of dieting. Nathan deasha is an extreme example when it comes to those lower back fat nodules. Dexter has them too.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/I-GyxfXnUE3qk_l9LvdWasu1DTZr7ohjoc9QbMq7sfE.jpg?auto=webp&s=9117afcd5df355a27941bfcc99d17bf7d024b65f)
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PM2K52/las-vegas-nevada-usa-14th-sep-2018-dexter-jackson-of-the-usposes-during-the-judging-of-the-2018-mr-olympia-competition-at-joe-weiders-olympia-fitness-and-performance-weekend-2018-credit-brian-cahnzuma-wirealamy-live-news-PM2K52.jpg)
Surgery is the only option for removing them.
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Actually, this is more of an example of your idiocy. I never took it personally. I made that clear many times. That's why I never insulted anybody that disagreed with me and repeatedly described it as an honest disagreement and reasonably presented my argument always qualifying it as my own personal opinion. And Markus was randomly chosen only because he happened to be standing next to Evan. I could have easily picked Hide instead. It is you who took personal offense and now I see why. Balding phaggots like you get very touchy when their taste in other men are questioned.
Lol. The fact is I already said Hide was pretty much better than everyone else, but you're so hung up on me calling your man crush fat that you've become blind to everything else. This is your cheeseburger moment all over again. Post that pic of your swollen hand again after you got into a fight with a homeless guy over a burger.
Ruhl was fat and your body is broken and you're going senile. It's life, deal with it and the just for men just makes you look like creepy pedo.
Back when being big was still rewarded.
Using modern day judging Hide would be close to winning.
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Lol. The fact is I already said Hide was pretty much better than everyone else, but you're so hung up on me calling your man crush fat that you've become blind to everything else. This is your cheeseburger moment all over again. Post that pic of your swollen hand again after you got into a fight with a homeless guy over a burger.
Ruhl was fat and your body is broken and you're going senile. It's life, deal with it and the just for men just makes you look like creepy pedo.
Again your obsession with "man crush". I look creepy? Why don't you post a picture of yourself? Always the anonymous cowards that comment on other people's looks. I can only imagine how ugly you are that you have to suck your own cock.
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Again your obsession with "man crush". I look creepy? Why don't you post a picture of yourself? Always the anonymous cowards that comment on other people's looks. I can only imagine how ugly you are that you have to suck your own cock.
We can't all be like Ruhl and have a white knight like pellius to suck us off.
There you go. Now lets get a picture of your trying that. We all know you'd snap in half and need 6 months rehab if you tried.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0MjxuHNJCuxWzyYmtZbDC6nT774uLo4Q8d-72pDcL1mfb7TquR5IVk2azglRSr1qSufYagsTu7hBuKbCYOJOWgchRYVerwRc-sDYChnNU3tKIYRDYGSrfTbpZWwTimR--VPMEImnUVceHzdBwm5P_jEE6eklu283Uht4)
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Lol this pic came up when I googled for Christmas trees.
Bodybuilding guru Ameen Alai shows off his Christmas Tree.
Dude is like 15% bodyfat, that's skin folding in a certain way over fat :D
He doesn't have the lower lat muscle development to ever have much of an xmas tree going on.
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There is very little body fat on his lower back there.
I think what you're talking about is fat nodules (lipoma) some people can develop on their lower back that won't go away regardless of dieting. Nathan deasha is an extreme example when it comes to those lower back fat nodules. Dexter has them too.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/I-GyxfXnUE3qk_l9LvdWasu1DTZr7ohjoc9QbMq7sfE.jpg?auto=webp&s=9117afcd5df355a27941bfcc99d17bf7d024b65f)
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PM2K52/las-vegas-nevada-usa-14th-sep-2018-dexter-jackson-of-the-usposes-during-the-judging-of-the-2018-mr-olympia-competition-at-joe-weiders-olympia-fitness-and-performance-weekend-2018-credit-brian-cahnzuma-wirealamy-live-news-PM2K52.jpg)
Surgery is the only option for removing them.
Lipomas are another "phenomena". I'm just saying the Christmas Tree effects has to do with how the skin folds in that area, it's not how the muscle looks beneath. That's why you can have that rippling effect even as the skin is still thick there.
Actually, at the time of these pics I remember thinking he may have shot something "localized" trying to liberate fat there. Those might be injection bumps.
That pic of Dex again shows how "thick skinned" he is. I'm not trying to shit on him, he is very lean, it's just that he doesn't look very "saran wrapped" like some others do, the skin appears quite thick to me.
You're right, Ameen doesn't have the muscle. But that ripple effect is showing a bit there, it's just has to do with the skin, it's not muscle poking through thin skin. :D
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We can't all be like Ruhl and have a white knight like pellius to suck us off.
There you go. Now lets get a picture of your trying that. We all know you'd snap in half and need 6 months rehab if you tried.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0MjxuHNJCuxWzyYmtZbDC6nT774uLo4Q8d-72pDcL1mfb7TquR5IVk2azglRSr1qSufYagsTu7hBuKbCYOJOWgchRYVerwRc-sDYChnNU3tKIYRDYGSrfTbpZWwTimR--VPMEImnUVceHzdBwm5P_jEE6eklu283Uht4)
Again your preoccupation of men sucking cocks, and especially your fantasies of me sucking cocks. And who is "We'? You think you speak for everybody? Why do you phags project your perversions on to others? That you think and want to believe that every man is either outwardly or "secretly" a phag?
Society was so much better when phags like you stayed in the closet.
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Here you can see what I mean. Imagine pinching the skin on his lower back. That's clearly very thick skin with some fat, not at all like say the skin on the back of your hand. It's not muscle fibers, it's skin folding in a certain way. Getting leaner would probably reduce the Christmas tree effect, especially when viewed at a distance.
If you've ever pinched the lower back of a contest lean bb you know what I mean. It may look ripped at a distance but those bags of fat/water gives the appearance of a Christmas tree.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=668373.0;attach=1273441;image)
I have to disagree with you there completly. You seem to lack muscle anatomy understanding.
That part you see on the lover back there having that wavy effect is the thoracolumbar fascia. It inserts in the spine, so naturally it will not be straight, but "wavy" as you see there
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Again your preoccupation of men sucking cocks, and especially your fantasies of me sucking cocks. And who is "We'? You think you speak for everybody? Why do you phags project your perversions on to others? That you think and want to believe that every man is either outwardly or "secretly" a phag?
Society was so much better when phags like you stayed in the closet.
I have the same preoccupation with sucking cocks that you have with underage girls ..
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He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)
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Omg Markus Ruhl looks so much wider than Evan wtf
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Ruhl without the lower back fat. Its not a thick skin issue
(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127529&d=1094925969)
(https://preview.redd.it/ntfespnamts11.png?auto=webp&s=d3d1483a1146309e13265b58332cdda89503800e)
Ruhl at that years night of champions was immense, i stand by what i said earlier, off season insulin use and higher off season bodyweights thickened his skin folds, plus tolerance to diuretics, have seen plenty of guys contest ready everywhere besides their backs, someone like Dorian would have simply prepared over a longer period, the back was simply where it came off him last. Another 4 to 8 weeks contest prep would have brought it down.
I sometimes also think high amounts of HGH can thicken skin not thin it, sure you get lower body fat but its covered by extra layers of skin.To me his back looks like GH bloat later in his career, he should have dropped it from his prep further out, he got bigger but not better like many from the insulin age.
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I have the same preoccupation with sucking cocks that you have with underage girls ..
You have any concrete proof of that charge? People resort to that even though they know it's a lie and has been proven to be a lie simply because they are getting owned and have nothing left but to spread a discredited lie. I have concrete proof of your obsession with men, and especially me, sucking cocks right here on this thread. Your phaggotry has been abundantly confirmed by your own words.
Second warning about a thread that was dismissed and the subject now banned. But keep going and it will be bye-bye "Flex"acon.
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Omg Markus Ruhl looks so much wider than Evan wtf
Be careful saying anything positive about Markus. "Flexacon" will accused you of "man love", a crush, ball licking, fan boy.... all while sucking his own cock.
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Be careful saying anything positive about Markus. "Flexacon" will accused you of "man love", a crush, ball licking, fan boy.... all while sucking his own cock.
Yeah, but at least Evan's arms are slightly bigger than Markus, that counts for something
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You have any concrete proof of that charge? People resort to that even though they know it's a lie and has been proven to be a lie simply because they are getting owned and have nothing left but to spread a discredited lie. I have concrete proof of your obsession with men, and especially me, sucking cocks right here on this thread. Your phaggotry has been abundantly confirmed by your own words.
Second warning about a thread that was dismissed and the subject now banned. But keep going and it will be bye-bye "Flex"acon.
Let's keep the E-threats to a minimum as you are way way overexposed in this area, stick to the trash talking.
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Ruhl at that years night of champions was immense, i stand by what i said earlier, off season insulin use and higher off season bodyweights thickened his skin folds, plus tolerance to diuretics, have seen plenty of guys contest ready everywhere besides their backs, someone like Dorian would have simply prepared over a longer period, the back was simply where it came off him last. Another 4 to 8 weeks contest prep would have brought it down.
I sometimes also think high amounts of HGH can thicken skin not thin it, sure you get lower body fat but its covered by extra layers of skin.To me his back looks like GH bloat later in his career, he should have dropped it from his prep further out, he got bigger but not better like many from the insulin age.
I'll admit to Ruhl being is in better shape in 2009 than I'm making out as I'm just trolling pellius, but you do realise that in a round about way you've pretty much said he could have dieted harder and dropped a bit more fat.
Jay and Branch are good example of guys with that extra skin you're talking about, but that ends up looking like wrinkles when they are in really good contest condition. Ruhl didn't really have have much of that going on. His back looked more fat/puffy.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b0DA0V6QuHw/URsdOYcVl8I/AAAAAAAAAHk/5mLGxAY2TF8/s1600/Cutler-2010-Olympia-d.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TLLEJh6SwjI/AAAAAAAANkg/_WiTrlOf2To/s1600/Branch+Warren+-+03+-+Mr+Olympia+Contest+2010+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q5622_YYUYTWGKEU.jpg)
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Jay at pre judging and finals after dropping some more water. You can see he tightened up and his back wrinkles increase!
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/09/2mw6wxu-1.jpg)
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Omg Markus Ruhl looks so much wider than Evan wtf
Not many were wider than Ruhl back in the day
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Shawn Ray
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/8-18.jpg)
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I have to disagree with you there completly. You seem to lack muscle anatomy understanding.
That part you see on the lover back there having that wavy effect is the thoracolumbar fascia. It inserts in the spine, so naturally it will not be straight, but "wavy" as you see there
I'm certainly not an anatomy expert. Did you know this or did you just look it up after reading this thread? :D
I did not remember exactly what's going on there, though I have heard of that before. I've seen discussions on forums a long time ago about this and how it's fascia, not muscle causing this "wavy" effect. Some genetically have more of this, others don't get the Christmas Tree even at similar fat levels.
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Jay at pre judging and finals after dropping some more water. You can see he tightened up and his back wrinkles increase!
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/09/2mw6wxu-1.jpg)
I'd argue that it's impossible to tell which pic is which here, predjudging or finals or which is dryer. Are you saying the pic on the right is more dry? Do you think Jay weighs less in that pic? Now even if there was a difference, which I can't really see, and it's certainly not obvious, what if Jay increased his hydration and it looked slightly better? Could it be Jay is simply chrunching a bit more in the second pic, making more skin wrinkles appear - shot might have been taken before fully into the pose in the first one. And etc.
It would be interesting if 10 IFBB judges were shown these 2 pics without comment and were asked which one looks better. I don't think all would answer the same.
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Let's keep the E-threats to a minimum as you are way way overexposed in this area, stick to the trash talking.
Nope. You are the one going to a particularly evil direction. The fact that you would so easily resort to such a reprehensible level over a difference of opinon on a bodybuilder. A bodybuilder's fat percentage. A difference that I was happy to discuss and didn't take personally as it is trivial but pertinent to the content of this site. You obviously did take it personally and quickly resorted to name calling even though I repeated said I didn't want to take it to go in that directly. It was an honest disagreement in opinion. Opinion. Something I made crystal clear. Why would what another person's opinion, opinion on someone's fat percentage, bother you so much that you felt a need to attack me personally. We can argue our points back and forth but to feel personally offended? Is that how small minded you are?
Nothing is worse than for a man to be a pedophile. I would rather be accused of being a murdered. That thread you are referring to has been discredited, I was vindicated, it was deemed a closed and banned subject. The fact that you would resort to this extent shows your character. Flexacon, we are taking about a bodybuilder. A bodybuilder's fat level. Is it really that important and personal to you that you take something so trivial so personally that you would attack another person and then make obvious implied remarks that I am a pedophile? Something even ND, who started the whole thing taking my words out of context that he cherry picked admitted he didn't believe.
Because you freely make these obscene veiled accusation behind a computer you think you are safe. Because if you said that to my face I would beat the living shit out of you. But this is something I am not going to let pass. A pedophile is a unique type of evil perverison. That's why I don't like equating it to underage sex. Teenagers, postpubescent sex with an adult. It diminishes the true evil of pedophilia. To compare a 14-15 year having sex to a 5-8 year old diminishes it's perversion and attempts to normalize it as what is trying to be done now by the Left. Are you part of the movement?
So I'm not going to put up with it. I had to endure the worse of the worse stigma for almost five years. New members to this board that didn't know the back story just knew Pellius as the pedophile. It followed me around for five years. Everybody that didn't like me jumped on the band wagon even though they knew it wasn't true. Prepetrating the scandalous lie. No more! This crosses the line. It crosses the line and has been said so specifically by Ron, the mods, and agreed to by the majority of this board. People have been banned and will continue to be banned because they just can't resist this particularly depraved topic. What do you think happened to True Adonis and Escrima?
I give ample warnings, as I have here, and this is the final one, before I do everything I can to ensure the mods enforce their own rules and ban you.
You started this fight. And it began and will end with you and I will go back and forth with you for the rest of my life on this board as long as you want to pursue this. That you can be sure of. But there is a line that won't be crossed.
The pedo stuff and underage stuff is just creepy. Stop it. If that's the kind of topics you want to discuss find another forum. Violators will be warned/banned at a moderators discretion. If you're going to whine about it, fuck off, don't want to hear it. Before anyone brings up free speech, check under my avatar, that is a direct quote.
We're here to have fun, bust some balls and maybe talk a little bodybuilding here and there.
Any questions?
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I give ample warnings, as I have here, and this is the final one, before I do everything I can to ensure the mods enforce their own rules and ban you.
You started this fight. And it began and will end with you and I will go back and forth with you for the rest of my life on this board as long as you want to pursue this. That you can be sure of. But there is a line that won't be crossed.
What did I tell you about walls of texts.
Let's move this along. Let's see you get me banned. How long do you need?
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What did I tell you about walls of texts.
Let's move this along. Let's see you get me banned. How long do you need?
Three strikes. Like I said, that was my final warning so that there is no doubt. You think that just because you've been here forever you are immune. TrueAdonis thought the same thing.
Disagreeing with my opinion on someone's bodyfat level? You really think it's worth it?
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Three strikes. Like I said, that was my final warning so that there is no doubt. You think that just because you've been here forever you are immune. TrueAdonis thought the same thing.
Disagreeing with my opinion on someone's bodyfat level? You really think it's worth it?
So you're pretty much a windbag that can't do shit. Got it
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So you're pretty much a windbag that can't do shit. Got it
OK, if that's what you want to think. Everybody has their opinions. I can handle it.
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I'm certainly not an anatomy expert. Did you know this or did you just look it up after reading this thread? :D
I did not remember exactly what's going on there, though I have heard of that before. I've seen discussions on forums a long time ago about this and how it's fascia, not muscle causing this "wavy" effect. Some genetically have more of this, others don't get the Christmas Tree even at similar fat levels.
Ofcourse, I don't have the all the latin names memorized I looked that up. But I do understand how most muscles inserts and pulls becuase I have been interested in muscle anatomy in younger years and have done several courses involving anatomy.
About how some get the christmas tree and others don't it has more to do with lat development, insertions and bodyfat distribution. For example bodybuilders like Dorian, Flex and Shawn Ray had really thick lat development and naturally it will be more pronounced and defined.
Where as someone Like Dennis Wolf had very poor lat development and high insertions and it can hardly even be seen.
Also it seems to be common that bodybuilders in later years tears or pulls their lover lats. I remember from what I could tell Cutler tore or strained his lat I believe because at some point he had no xmas tree anymore, but he did have it earlier like before 03-04 or so.
Example of Jay's pulled lat before and after. Left side lat the most, but right side has pulled up some aswell:
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Jay-Cutler-48.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S5izfUrmlTI/AAAAAAAAHuI/r_z9SVRlnhg/s1600/Arnold+Classic+Contest+2003+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.jpg)
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I'd argue that it's impossible to tell which pic is which here, predjudging or finals or which is dryer. Are you saying the pic on the right is more dry? Do you think Jay weighs less in that pic? Now even if there was a difference, which I can't really see, and it's certainly not obvious, what if Jay increased his hydration and it looked slightly better? Could it be Jay is simply chrunching a bit more in the second pic, making more skin wrinkles appear - shot might have been taken before fully into the pose in the first one. And etc.
It would be interesting if 10 IFBB judges were shown these 2 pics without comment and were asked which one looks better. I don't think all would answer the same.
Jay and the guy helping him with his prep have talked about dropping water and tightening up. You can see more detail in his upper back and outer quads in finals pic.
There is a thread poll with a set of pictures comparing more prejudging and finals pics of Jay on another forum, and 95% of voters had him looking better at finals.
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OK, if that's what you want to think. Everybody has their opinions. I can handle it.
I'll take that as your resignation. Carry on faillius
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I'll take that as your resignation. Carry on faillius
On stand by.