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The CDC is already pushing to make it mandatory for certain groups (Healthcare workers and residents within long term facilities).
So far, the federal government hasn't stated that it would make it a mandatory vaccine Nationwide, nor have individual state governments said anything of the sort.
Vaccines are scheduled to arrive in the states by December 15th and are supposed to be free for everyone.
I'm opting to not receive it. How many of you plan to get vaccinated?
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Not voluntarily and will have to be forcibly given it if it’s made mandatory
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The CDC is already pushing to make it mandatory for certain groups (Healthcare workers and residents within long term facilities).
So far, the federal government hasn't stated that it would make it a mandatory vaccine Nationwide, nor have individual state governments said anything of the sort.
Vaccines are scheduled to arrive in the states by December 15th and are supposed to be free for everyone.
I'm opting to not receive it. How many of you plan to get vaccinated?
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You'd have to be insane to take that vaccine. The first mRNA vaccine ever? And then there's the development timeline. It typically takes 5 years of testing just to prove the safety of any new vaccine. This will be the thalidomide of our time. And finally, with a 99.7% survival rate for this flu, we need to take it why?
But I am all in favor of Getbig's left wingers to get in line, lol
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mike meth head wants it
line on up!!
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I will get it towards the end of next year prior to travelling overseas, and only as it will, be a mandatory condition to travel.
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I will get it towards the end of next year prior to travelling overseas, and only as it will, be a mandatory condition to travel.
That's how it will start for sure. Then schools.
I won't be taking it until forced to.
No chance in hell it's safe.
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How in the world could they ever mandate something that hasn't been tested long term?
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Not voluntarily and will have to be forcibly given it if it’s made mandatory
This^
I will not take it. They would have to literally come to my house and try force me.
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I will get it towards the end of next year prior to travelling overseas, and only as it will, be a mandatory condition to travel.
part 141 private pilot license
you have choices
beechcraft plane has long enough range
can travel through the blue spruce route
wake up bro
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This^
I will not take it. They would have to literally come to my house and try force me.
They won't have to, they will just start taking your shiny things, then your job will require you to, then they will take your kids, but don't worry its safe you tin foil hat wackadoodle, getting it? No stopping it.
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The CDC is already pushing to make it mandatory for certain groups (Healthcare workers and residents within long term facilities).
So far, the federal government hasn't stated that it would make it a mandatory vaccine Nationwide, nor have individual state governments said anything of the sort.
Vaccines are scheduled to arrive in the states by December 15th and are supposed to be free for everyone.
I'm opting to not receive it. How many of you plan to get vaccinated?
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I haven't decided yet. That it hasn't stood the test of time has me somewhat concerned. On the other hand, I have at least one factor of higher risk, which is my age. Otherwise I am in perfect health with no negative heart, respiratory, or immune system considerations. I am definitely not prone to virus infections as I have never suffered symptoms of the flu. I have had pneumococcal pneumonia in the past when I worked at an elementary school where there is increased exposure, but it is not a virus, it is a bacterial infection of the lungs.
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I'm not against vaccinations.
However, until this vaccine has been tested in large populations I won't get it.
That may be years away.
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those who have a "Job" will submit yes
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I'll show up and ask for Anadrol instead. It might work.
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No tanks, mitta Braithwaite.
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The CDC is already pushing to make it mandatory for certain groups (Healthcare workers and residents within long term facilities).
So far, the federal government hasn't stated that it would make it a mandatory vaccine Nationwide, nor have individual state governments said anything of the sort.
Vaccines are scheduled to arrive in the states by December 15th and are supposed to be free for everyone.
I'm opting to not receive it. How many of you plan to get vaccinated?
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Vaccine is a long time off but I prob will. It's going to be well tested before its released
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Nope... never.
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I will get it towards the end of next year prior to travelling overseas, and only as it will, be a mandatory condition to travel.
Exactly. They'll figure out different incentives to take it and disincentives to not take it which will, for all intents and purposes, make it mandatory.
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How in the world could they ever mandate something that hasn't been tested long term?
This. I'm not opposed to it, but I won't be rushing out to be the first in line for it either. I was reading a chart a few weeks ago with development times for certain big vaccines. From serious study to a generally regarded as a safe vaccine, the development time ranged from 10 - 25 years on average. Even though we've made advancements, I'm not totally trusting something that's had maybe 10 months in development.
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I’ll take it as soon as it’s available. I don’t want to get Covid and I’m tired of the damn masks.
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they will wear them even after the vaccine
forest through the trees sir
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My issues with getting it are as follows:
This is a "first of its kind" vaccine as mRNA has never been used for vaccines. If you can program human cells to develop antibodies against this disease, what would poorly handled or possibly mutated mRNA vaccines lead to?
It's taken less than a year to develop, when most vaccines take upwards of 10+ years to develop in a safe manner.
We have NO long term data regarding the possible adverse effects.
We, the people of the USA, are literally going to serve as the proverbial guinea pigs.
With statistics showing that over 98% of the people, who in the USA, have gotten COVID have ALSO recovered, why would I not give my body a chance to fight it off? With a 98% chance of recovery, I'd say the odds are great. I suffer from no comordities, why chance it with an unpredictable vaccine when my immune system has been quite effective all of my life?
The vaccine won't cure COVID or eliminate it, it will simply make your body better able to cope with the disease. In other words, you can still and very likely will get covid.
There's no guarantee that it will provide protection for more than a few months. They're trying to figure out if this will become a yearly necessity like the flu vaccine.
Lastly, media outlets like CNN and snakes in the grass like Bill Gates are campaigning HARD for people to get it. This last fact alone makes me cringe.
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after everything that happened this year,
all coincidence right?
you get this shit in your body you deserve it
you don't know how long they took to develop it
could have been ready to go long time ago
there is no such thing as truth
but I know what isn't true
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after everything that happened this year,
all coincidence right?
you get this shit in your body you deserve it
you don't know how long they took to develop it
could have been ready to go long time ago
RIGHT THE FUCK ON!!!!!! READ THIS SHEEPLE AFTER EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED THIS YEAR!!!!!!!, oh hahaha it's just merely a quinkidink!
This year has proven how stupid and weak people are, they follow and do not ask questions! or they are married weak girls and do as their Karen wives tell them to. RIP Masculinity
there is no such thing as truth
but I know what isn't true
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My issues with getting it are as follows:
This is a "first of its kind" vaccine as mRNA has never been used for vaccines. If you can program human cells to develop antibodies against this disease, what would poorly handled or possibly mutated mRNA vaccines lead to?
It's taken less than a year to develop, when most vaccines take upwards of 10+ years to develop in a safe manner.
We have NO long term data regarding the possible adverse effects.
We, the people of the USA, are literally going to serve as the proverbial guinea pigs.
With statistics showing that over 98% of the people, who in the USA, have gotten COVID have ALSO recovered, why would I not give my body a chance to fight it off? With a 98% chance of recovery, I'd say the odds are great. I suffer from no comordities, why chance it with an unpredictable vaccine when my immune system has been quite effective all of my life?
The vaccine won't cure COVID or eliminate it, it will simply make your body better able to cope with the disease. In other words, you can still and very likely will get covid.
There's no guarantee that it will provide protection for more than a few months. They're trying to figure out if this will become a yearly necessity like the flu vaccine.
Lastly, media outlets like CNN and snakes in the grass like Bill Gates are campaigning HARD for people to get it. This last fact alone makes me cringe.
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You make some valid points. I read the Chinese vaccine was made the traditional way of using an inactive virus the same as a flu shot. My daughter who is a doctor of pharmacology was explaining the methods used in the American vaccine saying it was cutting edge and it was the quickest way to come up with an effective vaccine. She spoke at length with a lot of it going over my head. She said it's very effective but added this. Many will get very sick for a day or two after getting it. I guess that's better than catching a bad case of covid though the virus seems to be naturally weakening like SARS did. Two family member just had it. One 70 and one 30 years old. I would describe it as a bad chest cold. Both were feeling much better after a week. I guess they have natural anti bodies now and could fight off a reinfection contributing to herd immunity. I will get the vaccine because about four years ago I ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. I would be in trouble at my age if I had covid and it turned into pneumonia.
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The regular flu vaccine isn't effective.. what makes you think this one would be?
also...
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Later or possibly never, because:
- Golly it got made and deployed fast. I like my medical science thoroughly observed over an established duration, thank you.
- I feel lied to, mostly because I got lied to. This pandemic was reported to have a 15% death rate in late March. Then it was 12%, then 8%. Then 5% for a long time. Members of my family insisted that was a conservative estimate. Then, after awhile, a bit north of 2%. But definitely over 1%. Last I heard was .8% overall. This includes everyone, like the elderly, the obese, and the generally unhealthy. My age group survives at something like 99.93%, including the obese and the unhealthy. I doubt I'm one of the 7 most unhealthy people in 10,000 in their 40s. The promised pile of bodies simply hasn't materialized over the course of the last 9 months to anything approaching the size we kept getting told it would, and there's some question whether all the bodies in the pile even belong there. So now I doubt what I'm being told. That's what happens when you lie to people. I did my grocery shopping in a goddamn gas mask back in late March and April. And I did a lot of it. Not a surgical mask. A gas mask. Full helmet. If I had to work around others, I wore it. I advised everyone what mask and filters to buy. I posted about it here. I PMed people about it. I handed out my spare silicon masks to people I know. I urged my girl to quit her job in aged care when the news said the death toll for staff in that industry was going to be devastating. I asked her not to leave the house until we see how this thing develops and I would pick up the bills. She wanted to keep going to work so I stayed away from her and every other human for like 4 weeks unless, again, full gas mask. I refused to roll my window down at police checkpoints. There were no gloves so I put sandwich bags on my hand at the fuel pump. I cleaned everything I touched with methylated alcohol, which was like liquid gold and unobtainable. I was upset with myself for not having a fully stocked bomb shelter, and set about pitting that together. I bought inverters for my battery bank, purchased extra fuel, food and another freezer, water, and basically everything else needed to support 2 people for 6 months of complete isolation and mad max level economic collapse. Even though stores were empty, I stocked 3 houses to the ceiling. My girl's, my rental, and my house under construction. That cost a little money. Nine months later, I feel like a goddamn fool. I believed what I was told and ended up looking like a fool. I don't like being made to look like a fool by people who lied to me. It wasn't whoops. It wasn't error. They fucking lied. How much am I going to believe what they tell me about the vaccine?
- I've seen very poor decision making by governments. Destruction of people's lives caused by lawmakers whose own lives remain just fine. I don't want panicked or uncaring lawmakers making decisions for me.
- I'll be interested to observe The Push. The thing about a good product is that it sells itself. You don't even have to advertise. You definitely don't have to coerce. The more "Then you won't be permitted to..." I see, the more I will conclude that this product does not sell itself.
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huh
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My issues with getting it are as follows:
This is a "first of its kind" vaccine as mRNA has never been used for vaccines. If you can program human cells to develop antibodies against this disease, what would poorly handled or possibly mutated mRNA vaccines lead to?
It's taken less than a year to develop, when most vaccines take upwards of 10+ years to develop in a safe manner.
That's not really an issue. They just didn't have the usual red tape getting in the way this time and they had been working on mRNA and adenoviral vectors as delivery systems for years already.
We have NO long term data regarding the possible adverse effects.
This is the issue
We, the people of the USA, are literally going to serve as the proverbial guinea pigs.
The UK will be going ahead with the vaccine (800,000 doses, 400,000 people) before the US and everyone else.
With statistics showing that over 98% of the people, who in the USA, have gotten COVID have ALSO recovered, why would I not give my body a chance to fight it off? With a 98% chance of recovery, I'd say the odds are great. I suffer from no comordities, why chance it with an unpredictable vaccine when my immune system has been quite effective all of my life?
Getting Covid and recovering from it will likely offer you some degree of protection from future coronaviruses, so yes IMO if you're healthy it's better than being vaccinated
The vaccine won't cure COVID or eliminate it, it will simply make your body better able to cope with the disease. In other words, you can still and very likely will get covid.
The 90 - 95% figure means if you come into contact with the virus your body will have what it needs to eliminate the virus. You won't have any symptoms and you won't spread it. The other 5 to 10% will still catch and spread covid, but their symptoms will be milder.
There's no guarantee that it will provide protection for more than a few months. They're trying to figure out if this will become a yearly necessity like the flu vaccine.
Protection will be long lasting (decade/s) if the virus stays the same. However it's likely the virus will keep jumping back and forth between animals and humans. This is what can cause mutations and negate the vaccine effort. Also there is a very strong possibility of a vaccine resistant strain emerging. Both scenario will mean regular vaccinations.
Lastly, media outlets like CNN and snakes in the grass like Bill Gates are campaigning HARD for people to get it. This last fact alone makes me cringe.
If mutations occur and/or vaccine resistant strains emerge then this will become a huge cash cow for the pharmaceutical industry. A lot of rich people stand to get a lot richer
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say what?
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The shit that went on this year justifies painful paragraphs.
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bro
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Want a ham? I still have like 18 of them.
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yes i would sir
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Hang on. They're under the beef and pork roasts that are all froze together.
I was so ready to rock.
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ok bro I can wait
quick question though
is it a god dammed ham?
or just regular ham
Hanukah is coming up soon an all
plus with my name being Joshua
leader of the Israelites and such
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However it's likely the virus will keep jumping back and forth between animals and humans. This is what can cause mutations and negate the vaccine effort. Also there is a very strong possibility of a vaccine resistant strain emerging. Both scenario will mean regular vaccinations.
While I can agree with 99% of what you said, this statement above is something I don't necessarily agree with. Particularly your claim that what causes mutations in this virus is the virus actually jumping back and forth BETWEEN animals and humans. While any virus can jump from host to host (including animals as particularly seen with most coronaviruses SARS & MERS), this coronavirus will simply continue to mutate as it comes into contact with different human hosts. Much like the HIV virus continues to mutate over the years and it does so as it gets transmitted from person to person. I'm not saying it's impossible for us to have another Wuhan incident occur at the animal market and have COVID-19 play another role as the lead actor, but I think it might be less likely after a worldwide pandemic was practically blamed on China by most Right-Wing politicians.
The New York Times wrote a pretty good article in April 30, 2020 which described exactly how mutations in the coronavirus occur and they wrote in plain English that:
"A cell infected by a coronavirus releases millions of new viruses, all carrying copies of the original genome. As the cell copies that genome, it sometimes makes mistakes, usually just a single wrong letter. These typos are called mutations. As coronaviruses spread from person to person, they randomly accumulate more mutations."
Source: "How Coronavirus Mutates and Spreads" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html)
Additionally, here's a piece from the University of Cambridge that clearly talks about coronavirus mutations and how they occur: https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation (https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation)
Let me know if this is what you meant with your statement, as it read in an ambiguous fashion and could be misconstrued by the reader. I think COVID has enough of a mutational playground by way of the millions of people worldwide that have been infected that it would provide enough room for continued mistakes in genome coding.
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https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248
How to End the Autism Epidemic
The audiobook is a very easy listen.
Wake Up people
While many parents have heard the rhetoric that vaccines are safe and effective and that the science is settled about the relationship between vaccines and autism, few realize that in the 1960s, American children received three vaccines compared to the thirty-eight they receive today. Or that when parents are told that the odds of an adverse reaction are “one in a million,” the odds are actually one in fifty. Or that in the 1980s, the rate of autism was one in ten thousand children. Today it’s one in thirty-six.
Parents, educators, and social service professionals around the country are sounding an alarm that we are in the midst of a devastating public health crisis―one that corresponds in lockstep with an ever-growing vaccine schedule. Why do our public health officials refuse to investigate this properly―or even acknowledge it?
In How to End the Autism Epidemic, Handley confronts and dismantles the most common lies about vaccines and autism. He then lays out, in detail, what the truth actually is: new published science links the aluminium adjuvant used in vaccines to immune activation events in the brains of infants, triggering autism; and there is a clear legal basis for the statement that vaccines cause autism, including previously undisclosed depositions of prominent autism scientists under oath.
While Handley’s argument is unsparing, his position is ultimately moderate and constructive: we must continue to investigate the safety of vaccines, we must adopt a position of informed consent, and every individual vaccine must be considered on its own merits. This issue is far from settled. By refusing to engage with parents and other stakeholders in a meaningful way, our public health officials destroy the public trust and enable the suffering of countless children and families.
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While I can agree with 99% of what you said, this statement above is something I can not agree with. Particularly your claim that what causes mutations in this virus is the virus actually jumping back and forth BETWEEN animals and humans. While any virus can jump from host to host, this coronavirus simply mutates as it comes into contact with different human hosts. Much like the HIV virus continues to mutate over the years and it does so as it gets transmitted from person to person.
The New York Times wrote a pretty good article in April 30, 2020 which described exactly how mutations in the coronavirus occur and they wrote in plain English that:
"A cell infected by a coronavirus releases millions of new viruses, all carrying copies of the original genome. As the cell copies that genome, it sometimes makes mistakes, usually just a single wrong letter. These typos are called mutations. As coronaviruses spread from person to person, they randomly accumulate more mutations."
Source: "How Coronavirus Mutates and Spreads" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html)
Additionally, here's a piece from the University of Cambridge that clearly talks about coronavirus mutations and how they occur: https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation (https://www.phgfoundation.org/blog/relevance-of-coronavirus-mutation)
Let me know if this is what you meant with your statement, as it read in an ambiguous fashion and could be misconstrued by the reader.
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To clarify my point. I meant a mutation in the spike protein as that's the mutation which could make current vaccines redundant. The vaccines target the spike protein and spike hasn't changed much despite any of the other mutations that have occurred because of human to human transmission. Even those mutations are more likely to be classed as natural genetic drift. It's actually a very unremarkable and stable virus. Basically the complete opposite of the flu virus.
It's the jump back and forth between species that cause the spike proteins to mutate. That's why they were so worried about the infections on the mink farms.
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To clarify my point. I meant a mutation in the spike protein as that's the mutation which could make current vaccines redundant. The vaccines target the spike protein and spike hasn't changed much despite any of the other mutations that have occurred because of human to human transmission. Even those mutations are more likely to be classed as natural genetic drift. It's actually a very unremarkable and stable virus. Basically the complete opposite of the flu virus.
It's the jump back and forth between species that cause the spike proteins to mutate. That's why they were so worried about the infections on the mink farms.
Crystal clear..
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ok bro I can wait
quick question though
is it a god dammed ham?
or just regular ham
Hanukah is coming up soon an all
plus with my name being Joshua
leader of the Israelites and such
There's plenty of canned stuff but these ones are full sized severed pig legs. I like ham.
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They won't have to, they will just start taking your shiny things, then your job will require you to, then they will take your kids, but don't worry its safe you tin foil hat wackadoodle, getting it? No stopping it.
It won't get that far.
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I haven't decided yet. That it hasn't stood the test of time has me somewhat concerned. On the other hand, I have at least one factor of higher risk, which is my age. Otherwise I am in perfect health with no negative heart, respiratory, or immune system considerations. I am definitely not prone to virus infections as I have never suffered symptoms of the flu. I have had pneumococcal pneumonia in the past when I worked at an elementary school where there is increased exposure, but it is not a virus, it is a bacterial infection of the lungs.
It always involves cock with you....
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Crystal clear..
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I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're under 50/55 it will be months before you're offered a vaccination. You'll probably be offered it spring/summer. Coronaviruses by nature pretty much disappear during the summer, so no point taking the vaccine then.
Wait until October/November and see what levels of virus are around and if it's worth taking. You'll also have 10 months more vaccination data to help you make a decision.
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I'm just doing some reading ...
So they're rolling out the vaccine, 30 million doses, in the UK based on phase 3 data in only 10000 people (not a lot of people, no long term effects known) so I went to look at the data myself...(I'm a medical research scientist)
The data has not been publicly released... So no peer review of the data has taken place, essentially the UK government is trusting a media release from Pfizer. No ones seen the small data group.
This is not how it's done! Not good. Generalised stupidity continues.
Wait at least 6 months after the UK roll out. A year or more would be better.
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"safety testing" of current vaccines.
There is 0 valid reason as to why Carcinogenesis and Mutagenesis studies have not been done on any vaccines. but maybe testing has been done, results just weren't good
https://www.fda.gov/media/75191/download
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I'm a medical research scientist
That's fantastic!
Here's a question for you, Flexacon and any other person involved in biology and medicine work.
What are the possible risks you could forsee occurring by using taking a vaccine that utilizes mRNA?
I've read all the articles put out by the CDC and picked up a few of my old molecular biology textbooks from my undergrad years, but this concept of using mRNA as a central component to a vaccine has never been done before, so there's not much to it that I can find.
I did read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm.
What do you folks think? I know G_Thang has a degree in Bioengineering if I'm not mistaken. Would love to read everyone's thoughts on this hypothesis.
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I'm just doing some reading ...
So they're rolling out the vaccine, 30 million doses, in the UK based on phase 3 data in only 10000 people (not a lot of people, no long term effects known) so I went to look at the data myself...(I'm a medical research scientist)
The data has not been publicly released... So no peer review of the data has taken place, essentially the UK government is trusting a media release from Pfizer. No ones seen the small data group.
This is not how it's done! Not good. Generalised stupidity continues.
Wait at least 6 months after the UK roll out. A year or more would be better.
The 40 million doses won't happen for a while yet, but yeah the whole situation is fucked up. 400,000 people in the UK (mostly over 80's) are basically taking part in a trail against their wishes. What's even more fucked up is that Pfizer lobbied and got the UK and US to give them legal protection against being sued. The EU despite it's faults told Pfizer to fuck off.
I'm not gonna trust anything the UK or US approve.
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I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're under 50/55 it will be months before you're offered a vaccination. You'll probably be offered it spring/summer. Coronaviruses by nature pretty much disappear during the summer, so no point taking the vaccine then.
Wait until October/November and see what levels of virus are around and if it's worth taking. You'll also have 10 months more vaccination data to help you make a decision.
That’s a great fairytale! Listen I mean no Ill will here, but this vaccine is going to be mandatory if you want to live in society period! Don’t take it, you’ll have to try and figure shit out not being able to do daily things, until they take you to the fema camps, think that’s far fetched?
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That’s a great fairytale! Listen I mean no Ill will here, but this vaccine is going to be mandatory if you want to live in society period! Don’t take it, you’ll have to try and figure shit out not being able to do daily things, until they take you to the fema camps, think that’s far fetched?
Settle down.... This isn't Nazi Germany. But the world, tends to overreact (as they should) to certain situations.
Let's make something clear: There have been many people affected by this virus. "Knock on wood" , I have not been affected by Covid. That does not mean that countless families have had to suffer from people succumbing to this Pandemic.
It's not real until it happens to you. Happy Holidays!
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The regular flu vaccine isn't effective.. what makes you think this one would be?
also...
The flu vaccine is very effective. The situation is there is so many strains of the flu. There is one strain of covid 19. Each year they take a scientific guess which flu strains will be active for the season. Sometimes they are way off the mark. I'm in my 60's and I have only caught the flu twice in my life. The flu is not a bad cold. The flu is bad news and if you are old or have preexisting conditions could kill you.
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I have not been affected by Covid!
That's great news!
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That's great news!
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I hope your family is safe as well. I don't want my Grandma's and my parents dying from this shit. Or my Aunts, Uncles, the neighborhood cat etc..... I can't understand why people make fun of this shit? It's cost countless jobs, and killed family members prematurely.
I just linked up with Tom Cruise (after watching The Last Samurai) We are ready to take on China.
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Settle down.... This isn't Nazi Germany. But the world, tends to overreact (as they should) to certain situations.
Let's make something clear: There have been many people affected by this virus. "Knock on wood" , I have not been affected by Covid. That does not mean that countless families have had to suffer from people succumbing to this Pandemic.
It's not real until it happens to you. Happy Holidays!
I wish the best holidays to you! So listen I’m not wound up, just trying to get out what’s happening and it’s happening fast! I hope I’m wrong, if so PM in 6 months and I’ll send you a Christmas ham, seriously though, I am just passionate for the people that can’t see we have been duped and wish they could see what I do as well as many others, we unfortunately are a minority though and we know it.
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That's fantastic!
Here's a question for you, Flexacon and any other person involved in biology and medicine work.
What are the possible risks you could forsee occurring by using taking a vaccine that utilizes mRNA?
I've read all the articles put out by the CDC and picked up a few of my old molecular biology textbooks from my undergrad years, but this concept of using mRNA as a central component to a vaccine has never been done before, so there's not much to it that I can find.
I did read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm.
What do you folks think? I know G_Thang has a degree in Bioengineering if I'm not mistaken. Would love to read everyone's thoughts on this hypothesis.
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mRNA is meant to be a safer method of delivery. No adjuvants like aluminium are needed and "nothing" is left in the body like more traditional vaccines. It's hard to theorize what the possible risks might be as everything about it suggests it should be safer. It's more that it's new/untried and that information about it isn't being made readily available.
Human error in manufacturing and storage could be a major potential issue though as it's extremely temperature sensitive.
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I wish the best holidays to you! So listen I’m not wound up, just trying to get out what’s happening and it’s happening fast! I hope I’m wrong, if so PM in 6 months and I’ll send you a Christmas ham, seriously though, I am just passionate for the people that can’t see we have been duped and wish they could see what I do as well as many others, we unfortunately are a minority though and we know it.
Who's "duped"? Granted, most people can survive Covid, but you should already know that. It's about the funerals you didn't have to go to. It's about the jobs/businesses that will never come back.
It's all diatribe, until it hits close to home. Then it's Facebook, Instagram, and Pintrest for your dead Grandma's recipes.....
A lot of it is bullshit, but there is a harsh reality as well.
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Ok I just read all that Info
Now I’m waiting on yahoo to confirm
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I wish the best holidays to you! So listen I’m not wound up, just trying to get out what’s happening and it’s happening fast! I hope I’m wrong, if so PM in 6 months and I’ll send you a Christmas ham, seriously though, I am just passionate for the people that can’t see we have been duped and wish they could see what I do as well as many others, we unfortunately are a minority though and we know it.
You haven't considered the manufacturing and logistics process.
For the next 6 months demand from people who want a vaccine will outstrip supply.
There will be plenty of time to make better informed decisions for anyone who is happy to wait.
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Once mike slams it with a insulin pin and turns into a talking monkey
I’ll be in line at Walgreens
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yet somehow....
the USA went from "fighting for our freedoms"
to
Mexico being the freest country in north america...
WTF?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/mexico-lopez-obrador-pandemic-lockdowns-dictatorship
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yet somehow....
the USA went from "fighting for our freedoms"
to
Mexico being the freest country in north america...
WTF?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/mexico-lopez-obrador-pandemic-lockdowns-dictatorship
America was never remotely close to being one of the freest nations on the planet, it's a lie they tell kids so they can go die for oil
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That's fantastic!
Here's a question for you, Flexacon and any other person involved in biology and medicine work.
What are the possible risks you could forsee occurring by using taking a vaccine that utilizes mRNA?
I've read all the articles put out by the CDC and picked up a few of my old molecular biology textbooks from my undergrad years, but this concept of using mRNA as a central component to a vaccine has never been done before, so there's not much to it that I can find.
I did read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm.
What do you folks think? I know G_Thang has a degree in Bioengineering if I'm not mistaken. Would love to read everyone's thoughts on this hypothesis.
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Iong term effects no ones knows, that's why it's a worry,,,
One thing some people seem to misunderstand is that the vaccine isn't genetically modifying anything it is simply a piece of RNA code (very small) that is inserted into a cell that is read by a ribosome (which makes proteins) thereby producing a virus related protein stimulating an immune response... mRNA is naturally occurring it's how our cells transfer the code from our genome to proteins which carry out the tasks...
One thing that is a concern in my mind is that there are regulatory steps after transcription (mRNA production) molecules such as Micro rna that regulate mRNA and downstream protein production what role could the introduced mRNA play in these regulatory pathways? These pathways are relatively newly discovered and not well understood.
This leads to one of the more likely serious adverse effects which is immune disregulation.. potentially chronic low grade issues, auto reactivity which is where antibodies are produced that target "self" destroying tissue that is healthy...
Not a lot is known about these processes and things like auto immune diseases have serious consequences and no real effective treatments.
The point is No one knows... Which is why long term trials of these new molecules should be carried out before widespread use.
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Your injecting yourself with a controlled version of the actual virus rather than just catching it, i think the conspiracy theorists are going overboard. Just dont take it if you dont want to, but if you want to travel using systems of travel that you dont own that require vaccination either abide by the rules of the transportation owner and the sovereign requirement of the state you are entering or dont travel. there is still a choice.
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier)
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as u dudes search for answers amongst dead, over compartmentalized wastelands of obfuscation... u can feel the truth - u r being lied to.
do not take this vaccine.
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Your injecting yourself with a controlled version of the actual virus rather than just catching it, i think the conspiracy theorists are going overboard. Just dont take it if you dont want to, but if you want to travel using systems of travel that you dont own that require vaccination either abide by the rules of the transportation owner and the sovereign requirement of the state you are entering or dont travel. there is still a choice.
Yeah but there's a balance to be struck between an individual's rights and a nation's or company's rules. We can postulate individual sovereignty as the basis of modern western civilization versus the state's need to govern those rights in order to ensure their continuance, or we can make practical points about vaccine effectiveness versus safety and the science behind this particular vaccine.
But I doubt we'll see much rational discussion when this thing arrives. It'll be a sales pitch promising safety and efficacy which equates vaccination with moral integrity and intelligence. Those who resist it will be painted as bucktoothed yokel antivaxers or people of low virtue who endanger the general welfare for their own selfish and wrongheaded beliefs.
As with everything these days, it'll be a big split, lots of insults getting slung around, and very little calm, fact-focused discussion. I think a lot of people are going to want to wait awhile. Things could get interesting if it's getting pushed insistently.
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yet somehow....
the USA went from "fighting for our freedoms"
to
Mexico being the freest country in north america...
WTF?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/mexico-lopez-obrador-pandemic-lockdowns-dictatorship
The Mexican Prez. is defying the New World Order.
He must be silenced!
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Your injecting yourself with a controlled version of the actual virus rather than just catching it, i think the conspiracy theorists are going overboard. Just dont take it if you dont want to, but if you want to travel using systems of travel that you dont own that require vaccination either abide by the rules of the transportation owner and the sovereign requirement of the state you are entering or dont travel. there is still a choice.
Controlled version? No, This is not what it is,,, ^ I explained what the actual vaccine is...
It's not an attenuated virus at all.
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One thing that is a concern in my mind is that there are regulatory steps after transcription (mRNA production) molecules such as Micro rna that regulate mRNA and downstream protein production what role could the introduced mRNA play in these regulatory pathways? These pathways are relatively newly discovered and not well understood.
This leads to one of the more likely serious adverse effects which isimmune disregulation.. potentially chronic low grade issues, auto reactivity which is where antibodies are produced that target "self" destroying tissue that is healthy..
The above bolded text is my concern. I've only found two pieces of medical literature that briefly explain this.
That's where I was going with my postulation regarding a probable cytokine storm. In plain English, if the organic checks and balances that our own cells have in place to downregulate a process started by exogenous mRNA aren't prompted to kick in, then what will stop this foreign substance from inducing a systemic autoimmune response that attacks our bodies?
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It seems the only non genetic (rna/dna) vaccines are one from China and other from India.
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/08/dozens-of-covid-19-vaccines-are-in-development-here-are-the-ones-to
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America was never remotely close to being one of the freest nations on the planet, it's a lie they tell kids so they can go die for oil
Yeah, because everyone is dying for oil in the West Texas oil fields, you tard, lol
The USA is the freest country on earth. You'd know that if you ever left your neighborhood.
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I hope your family is safe as well. I don't want my Grandma's and my parents dying from this shit. Or my Aunts, Uncles, the neighborhood cat etc..... I can't understand why people make fun of this shit? It's cost countless jobs, and killed family members prematurely.
I just linked up with Tom Cruise (after watching The Last Samurai) We are ready to take on China.
No - they'll die from some other shit, lol It's amazing how the death rate from the seasonal flu has dropped to near zero and everyone is dying from Covid-19 now :)
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mRNA is meant to be a safer method of delivery. No adjuvants like aluminium are needed and "nothing" is left in the body like more traditional vaccines. It's hard to theorize what the possible risks might be as everything about it suggests it should be safer. It's more that it's new/untried and that information about it isn't being made readily available.
Human error in manufacturing and storage could be a major potential issue though as it's extremely temperature sensitive.
You can say that about every vaccine ever made. You are just a wealth of information, lol
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Yeah, this vaccine is the shit!
"Pfizer chairman Albert Bourla told Dateline host Lester Holt that the pharmaceutical company was “not certain” if the vaccine prevented the coronavirus from being transmitted, saying, “This is something that needs to be examined.”
https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/healthcare/528619-pfizer-chairman-were-not-sure-if-someone-can-transmit-virus-after
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Yeah, this vaccine is the shit!
"Pfizer chairman Albert Bourla told Dateline host Lester Holt that the pharmaceutical company was “not certain” if the vaccine prevented the coronavirus from being transmitted, saying, “This is something that needs to be examined.”
https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/healthcare/528619-pfizer-chairman-were-not-sure-if-someone-can-transmit-virus-after
What a bullshit stance to have on Pfizer's part.
So their angle is, "Get the vaccine. It won't prevent you from getting COVID, there's no guarantee that you still won't have a bad outcome, but you should theoretically be better able to fight off the infection. Oh, and while we're at it, you will still be infectious and spread it to others."
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What a bullshit stance to have on Pfizer's part.
So their angle is, "Get the vaccine. It won't prevent you from getting COVID, there's no guarantee that you still won't have a bad outcome, but you should theoretically be better able to fight off the infection. Oh, and while we're at it, you will still be infectious and spread it to others."
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Yes- what a great product. You'll still have to self quarantine and wear a mask. You'll just possibly feel better if you ever get a disease your body destroys anyways. Brilliant, lol.
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Yes- what a great product. You'll still have to self quarantine and wear a mask. You'll just possibly feel better if you ever get a disease your body destroys anyways. Brilliant, lol.
I'm not swallowing this bitter pill.
I'm someone that has purposely stayed away from the flu shot for over 15 years. The last thing I'm going to do is serve as Pfizer and Moderna's guinea pig.
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I'm not swallowing this bitter pill.
I'm someone that has purposely stayed away from the flu shot for over 15 years. The last thing I'm going to do is serve as Pfizer and Moderna's guinea pig.
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I've never taken a flu shot. But there has to be something to some vaccinations. All the shit we are required to get as kids, has helped, right? It's funny how they seem to pick and choose which sicknesses and diseases that they eradicate.
Still want to know how Magic Johnson has survived all of these years. He got the HIV virus when it was still a death sentence for nearly everyone. Sure, money can buy you a lot of experimental drugs, but there is something fishy going on. If it was just about money, a guy like Freddie Mercury shouldn't have died either.
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I've never taken a flu shot. But there has to be something to some vaccinations. All the shit we are required to get as kids, has helped, right? It's funny how they seem to pick and choose which sicknesses and diseases that they eradicate.
Still want to know how Magic Johnson has survived all of these years. He got the HIV virus when it was still a death sentence for nearly everyone. Sure, money can buy you a lot of experimental drugs, but there is something fishy going on. If it was just about money, a guy like Freddie Mercury shouldn't have died either.
There are some vaccines that have worked incredibly well. Polio, whooping cough, measles, smallpox, rinderpest and diphtheria are just some examples of conditions we have effectively dodged as a civilization by way of vaccines.
There are other vaccines, like the flu vaccine, that have not proven to be as effective. The flu vaccine has not been as effective not because in theory it isn't well-thought-out or lacks actual utility, but instead it isn't as effective because of the high rate of mutation that the flu virus typically has from season to season, which renders the ability for any individual flu vaccine to be useful towards the hundreds and thousands of different flu strains that are constantly in rotation.
I'm not saying that the covid vaccine will fail. It might have great success and if it does, it might lead to newer vaccines and methods that could possibly cure HIV, cancer and many autoimmune disorders. What I'm skeptical about is the faith the media and many public figures are expecting us to have in this novel vaccine, which such little data surrounding its efficacy. We are literally being asked to serve as guinea pigs with the hopes that things will just work out.
I hope it succeeds. Who doesn't want advancements in science and medicine? What I don't want to do is risk my life in order to subsidize Pfizer and Moderna's dreams and aspiration.
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There are some vaccines that have worked incredibly well. Polio, whooping cough, measles, smallpox, rinderpest and diphtheria are just some examples of conditions we have effectively dodged as a civilization by way of vaccines.
There are other vaccines, like the flu vaccine, that have not proven to be as effective. The flu vaccine has not been as effective not because in theory it isn't well-thought-out or lacks actual utility, but instead it isn't as effective because of the high rate of mutation that the flu virus typically has from season to season, which renders the ability for any individual flu vaccine to be useful towards the hundreds and thousands of different flu strains that are constantly in rotation.
I'm not saying that the covid vaccine will fail. It might have great success and if it does, it might lead to newer vaccines and methods that could possibly cure HIV, cancer and many autoimmune disorders. What I'm skeptical about is the faith the media and many public figures are expecting us to have in this novel vaccine, which such little data surrounding its efficacy. We are literally being asked to serve as guinea pigs with the hopes that things will just work out.
I hope it succeeds. Who doesn't want advancements in science and medicine? What I don't want to do is risk my life in order to subsidize Pfizer and Moderna's dreams and aspiration.
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I agree. The first iteration of anything (cars, gaming consoles, phones etc..) should be met with caution.
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They can keep my allotted dose and shove it straight up their asses.
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You can say that about every vaccine ever made. You are just a wealth of information, lol
The difference between storing the pfizer vaccine and normal vaccines is that the pfizer one can only be stored at fridge temperature for a few days whilst other vacancies can be stored at fridge temperature for months.
I know you're a bit of a simpleton, but even you must be able to work out why this could be a huge issue when giving millions doses of this vaccine vs others
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I'm not a chess player, but even I know that Presidents are pawns.
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They are pushing real hard to get these phuckboy vaccines out. Basically, you have Gen Z and young millennials who won't abide by the rules and are infecting everyone with their asymptomatic a$$es. This is bullshit.
The U.S. recorded over 3,100 COVID-19 deaths in a single day, obliterating the record set last spring, while the number of Americans in the hospital with the virus has eclipsed 100,000 for the first time and new cases have begun topping 200,000 a day, according to figures released Thursday.
The three benchmarks altogether showed a country slipping deeper into crisis, with perhaps the worst yet to come, in part because of the delayed effects from Thanksgiving, when millions of Americans disregarded warnings to stay home and celebrate only with members of their household.
Across the U.S., the surge has swamped hospitals and left nurses and other health care workers shorthanded and burned out.
“The reality is December and January and February are going to be rough times. I actually believe they are going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation,” Dr. Robert Redfield, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Wednesday.
Health authorities had warned that the numbers could fluctuate strongly before and after Thanksgiving, as they often do around holidays and weekends. Because of reporting delays, the figures often drop, then rise sharply a few days later as state and local health agencies catch up with the backlog.
Still, deaths, hospitalizations and cases in the U.S. have been on a fairly steady rise for weeks, sometimes breaking records for days on end.
The bleak portrait comes as states decide how the vaccine will be distributed when it’s authorized by the federal government, as expected next week.
States face a Friday deadline to submit requests for doses of the Pfizer vaccine and specify where they should be shipped. Because vaccine availability is expected to be limited until the spring, most states are expected to follow guidelines adopted by the CDC this week that say health care workers and nursing home patients should be first in line.
But some are considering whether to open the line to other workers they consider essential.
Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey said he wants teachers to get priority to keep schools open. Firefighter groups wrote the Minnesota governor this week, asking to be placed in the first group. The Illinois plan gives highest priority to health care workers but also calls for first responders to be in the first group to get the shot. Others are struggling with where to put prisoners in the pecking order.
In Nevada, where tourism and hospitality fuel the economy, officials initially put nursing home residents in the third tier for vaccinations, behind police officers, teachers, airport operators and retail workers. But they said Wednesday that they would revise that plan to conform to the CDC guidance, which is not binding on states.
Keeping health care workers on their feet is considered vital to dealing with the crisis. And nursing home patients got priority because they are highly vulnerable to the virus. Patients and staff members at nursing homes and other long-term care centers account for 39% of the nation's COVID-19 deaths.
The American Health Care Association and the National Center for Assisted Living sent a letter Tuesday to the National Governors Association urging states to include nursing homes and similar institutions in the first round, noting that more than 100,000 residents have died from COVID-19.
“A one-month delay in administering the vaccine at long term care facilities could cost more than 10,000 of our residents their lives. The speed of which states can vaccinate our residents has significant life or death consequences,” the letter said.
Nationwide the coronavirus is blamed for over 270,000 deaths and 14 million confirmed infections.
The U.S. recorded 3,157 deaths on Wednesday, according to the tally kept by Johns Hopkins University. That's more than the number of people killed on 9/11, and it shattered the old mark of 2,603, set on April 15, when the New York metropolitan area was the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak.
The number of people in the hospital likewise set an all-time high Wednesday, according to the COVID Tracking Project. It has more than doubled over the past month.
Also, the number of newly confirmed infections climbed just over 200,000 Wednesday for the second time in less than a week, by Johns Hopkins' count.
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Right!?! LMAO
Why wouldn't you trust the dumb Bush (as opposed to his brilliant father), Mr. "I visited Epstein's Island over the 27 times" Clinton and the masterful speech giver and over-promising-but-never-delivering Barack Husein Obama?
It seems like a plot in a really shitty movie. I'm just patiently waiting for Clooney, Bono, Sean Penn and Robert Deniro to all start rolling up their sleeves for the "cause".
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They are pushing real hard to get these phuckboy vaccines out. Basically, you have Gen Z and young millennials who won't abide by the rules and are infecting everyone with their asymptomatic a$$es. This is bullshit.
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G_Thang,
I posted this before within this thread and Harmank gave a good response. Flexacon hasn't really dived into the molecular biology behind it quite yet. I do know from prior chats that you have a graduate degree in bioengineering, so I wanted to pose this question to you as well.
I read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm by a lack of downregulation not taking place.
In plain English, if the organic checks and balances that our own cells have in place to downregulate a process started by native mRNA is possibly not prompted to kick in when exogenous mRNA is introduced, then what will then stop this foreign substance from inducing a systemic autoimmune response that attacks our bodies?
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Right!?! LMAO
Why wouldn't you trust the dumb Bush (as opposed to his brilliant father), Mr. "I visited Epstein's Island over the 27 times" Clinton and the masterful speech giver and over-promising-but-never-delivering Barack Husein Obama?
It seems like a plot in a really shitty movie. I'm just patiently waiting for Clooney, Bono, Sean Penn and Robert Deniro to all start rolling up their sleeves for the "cause".
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Don't worry. The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, or Tom Brady will be your next President.
It reminds me of middle school. Popularity contest. Arnold won for Govenor of California.
People are stupid.
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Those who use the weasel-word pejorative 'conspiracy theorist', which is used do discourage analysis, have gone "overboard". Of course you will always be able to opt out of anything. You can opt out of following a law enforcement officer's lawful order. You can opt out of paying taxes. There is no legal consequence of opting out of the vaccine yet but it doesn't mean there won't ever be. Speculating on the possibility is no cause for alarm. Attempting to elevated oneself above the fray by discrediting contrary analysis via contemptable slurs is a corporate media tactic which shouldn't be parroted by anyone not on their payroll. Leave the "conspiracy theorist" dismissal to experts like Brian Stelter.
"From at least the 17th century to the 1950s, conspiracy theories were a widely accepted way of understanding the world and often the official versions of events. They were articulated by elites and usually targeted external enemies or subversives who were allegedly trying to undermine the state. It was only during the late 1950s and early 1960s that conspiracy theories started to become a stigmatised way of explaining big events."
"One side-effect of this move from the mainstream to the "margins of society" was that conspiracy theories started to primarily target societal and political elites. They are no longer concerned with alleged plots against the state but with those orchestrated by the state."
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There are some vaccines that have worked incredibly well. Polio, whooping cough, measles, smallpox, rinderpest and diphtheria are just some examples of conditions we have effectively dodged as a civilization by way of vaccines.
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That's debatable, there is way too much information to get into a single post, if you really want to learn the truth you have to read/listen to:
https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248
My 2 year old son is unvaccinated, started doing tons of research on vaccines when the OBGYN was pressuring us into a whooping cough vaccine during pregnancy.
I'm 100% happy with the decision we made not to vaccinate our kid, what is going on now is only strengthening my view.
It was very tough choice to decline vaccinations and incredible pressure from medical staff.
Why in the world does a new born need a Hep B shot in the first hours of their life if the mother does not have Hep B??
This one pissed me off so much. Lets introduce a hep b reaction in an hour old baby before he even drinks his first sip of milk. Total BS
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Robbert F Kennedy Jr is the last stand we have against mandated vaccinations. Listen to this man, no medical professional or government official will debate RFKj on the topic of vaccines.
He has saved a few states from getting rid of vaccine exemptions
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
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Do people ever have any complications from vaccines?
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just become Muslim wear a rag on your head
you'll be exempt and can travel freely
its not that hard guys
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Do people ever have any complications from vaccines?
Yes.
The CDC and FDA have established what's known as "The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System". VAERS, as it's known by most medical providers, was developed in 1990. About 30,000 events are reported each year to VAERS. Between 10% and 15% of these reports describe serious medical events that result in hospitalization, life-threatening illness, disability, or death.
The source for this, as you probably already imagined, is the CDC itself.
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Do people ever have any complications from vaccines?
they tried to pull this shit in 1976, didn't go over too well
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G_Thang,
I posted this before within this thread and Harmank gave a good response. Flexacon hasn't really dived into the molecular biology behind it quite yet. I do know from prior chats that you have a graduate degree in bioengineering, so I wanted to pose this question to you as well.
I read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
It led me to think that just maybe, the use of an mRNA to promote antibody development if not carefully controlled, could possibly incite a cytokine storm by a lack of downregulation not taking place.
In plain English, if the organic checks and balances that our own cells have in place to downregulate a process started by native mRNA is possibly not prompted to kick in when exogenous mRNA is introduced, then what will then stop this foreign substance from inducing a systemic autoimmune response that attacks our bodies?
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Looking at it from a molecular biology point of view is beyond my scope so I approached from a system analyst point of view using what evidence was available.
I came to the conclusion that so far there isn't any evidence of an autoimmune response at the planned doses. If it was gonna happen in the short term we would have seen it already. Longer term it's still unlikely, but we can't be sure of that.
This twitter thread talking about an autoimmune responses, mRNA and infertility may be of use with regards to an explanation. https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1334593606196187136
"You can do this … all … day. A protein sequence of 1273 amino acids (like the S protein from SARS-CoV-2) will align with another to this degree with high probability, again and again, throughout our proteome and across all species.
If our immune systems couldn’t distinguish between proteins with this minute level of homology, we would fall ill shortly after birth from infection-induced systemic autoimmunity.
Large swathes of our proteome will align to this degree with countless microbial proteins.
We also have mechanisms (central tolerance) to prevent this. TCRs and BCRs are ‘negatively selected’ to delete potentially autoreactive lymphocytes.
If you think I ‘selected a few proteins that worked’ to make a point, I didn’t.
I selected our three most abundant proteins from the top of the list:
If these vaccines were to induce autoimmune responses against actin, hemoglobin and collagen, it would have been seen in the trials and trust me, fertility will be the last of our problems.
You will find even higher degrees of homology in hundreds, maybe thousands of proteins."
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By the way, for the pseudo-science nerds that are curious about how the body actually regulates its own mRNA, here's a great article by the Khan academy that explains it in detail: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/gene-regulation/gene-regulation-in-eukaryotes/a/regulation-after-transcription (https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/gene-regulation/gene-regulation-in-eukaryotes/a/regulation-after-transcription)
The question I continue to pose is whether this same regulation process (by way of the use of Micro RNA & Phosphorylation to break down native mRNA) would be present or activated if exogenous mRNA is introduced into the body as is being proposed by the COVID mRNA vaccine.
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Looking at it from a molecular biology point of view is beyond my scope so I approached from a system analyst point of view using what evidence was available.
I came to the conclusion that so far there isn't any evidence of an autoimmune response at the planned doses. If it was gonna happen in the short term we would have seen it already. Longer term it's still unlikely, but we can't be sure of that.
This twitter thread talking about an autoimmune responses, mRNA and infertility may be of use with regards to an explanation. https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1334593606196187136
"You can do this … all … day. A protein sequence of 1273 amino acids (like the S protein from SARS-CoV-2) will align with another to this degree with high probability, again and again, throughout our proteome and across all species.
If our immune systems couldn’t distinguish between proteins with this minute level of homology, we would fall ill shortly after birth from infection-induced systemic autoimmunity.
Large swathes of our proteome will align to this degree with countless microbial proteins.
We also have mechanisms (central tolerance) to prevent this. TCRs and BCRs are ‘negatively selected’ to delete potentially autoreactive lymphocytes.
If you think I ‘selected a few proteins that worked’ to make a point, I didn’t.
I selected our three most abundant proteins from the top of the list:
If these vaccines were to induce autoimmune responses against actin, hemoglobin and collagen, it would have been seen in the trials and trust me, fertility will be the last of our problems.
You will find even higher degrees of homology in hundreds, maybe thousands of proteins."
So your postulation is that there is high likelihood that the mRNA in the COVID vaccine would be broken down (i.e. downregulated) after its purpose is served, as evidenced by the fact that our bodies in general do breakdown endogenous proteins that are homologous in structure?
This would assume that our bodies would have a great chance of breaking down proteins with minute homology (simply put, cells that have slight differences but more in common, as homology would suggest). Exogenous, or better said engineered exogenous mRNA, might not be as homologous or easy to regulate as it's still foreign. This is where my hang-up continues. I also saw where you suggested that a small enough dose of this mRNA vaccine might not be enough to spur a widely systemic autoimmune response, I hope this is true.
Flexacon, not trying to go against the grain, just stirring up discussion as this genuinely interests me and only a few of you guys are able to indulge this microbiology talk, as it is pretty bland. I asked my older brother, who is a Gastroenterologist at Weill Cornell Hospital about this shit and he simply told me, "I'm a GI doctor, not a virologist or immunologist. I know symptoms, labs, scans, pharmacological interventions and invasive scoping procedures to treat GI diseases. This nonsense is beyond my scope or pay grade."
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Do people ever have any complications from vaccines?
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf
Roughly $2 from each dose goes to pay vaccine injury victims
$4,499,721,447.84 paid out to date
It is estimated that only 1% of injuries get reported because doctors and pharma make it very hard to blame the vaccines
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The rushed covid vaccine will not be covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program instead it will be covered by:
Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program
The vaccine manufacturer and doctor will still be 100% liability free just like with other vaccines but the injury fund will be much, much smaller. More of a "take at your own risk" type deal if you get seriously injured
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I’ll take it as soon as it’s available. I don’t want to get Covid and I’m tired of the damn masks.
You have a point. If most people get vaccinated and it ends the pandemic and therefore the restrictions such as having to wear masks and not being able to eat out or go to the gym, it would be a good thing. I am still a little nervous about injecting something that has not withstood the test of time into my body.
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they will just offer welfare to take it if there is resistance
take vaccine get free 1200 bucks
yeah I'm hood rich melvin!! wahoo I can get a dual- zone chrome -plated wi-fi processor , complete with supra speed processor , with dsl T1 lines
I'm off the be gordan gecko level day trader from my trailer!!
then gates can get what he wants
all the lesser lower grade IQ humans gone, from having kids with jacked up recessive genome traits
bad hearts, myopia, predisposition to all sorts of bad shit, mental retardation, (like blacks need any more problems)
???
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You have a point. If most people get vaccinated and it ends the pandemic and therefore the restrictions such as having to wear masks and not being able to eat out or go to the gym, it would be a good thing. I am still a little nervous about injecting something that has not withstood the test of time into my body.
please get vaccinated sir
then you can go back to "normal"
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You have a point. If most people get vaccinated and it ends the pandemic and therefore the restrictions such as having to wear masks and not being able to eat out or go to the gym, it would be a good thing. I am still a little nervous about injecting something that has not withstood the test of time into my body.
Another way, and a much faster way to end restriction is for the sheep to wake up and take off their masks.
If biden is elected and forces a nation wide mask mandate, I will be organizing a "mask free shopping hour" where myself and hundreds of people that share my view will pick a grocery store and we will all go in without masks at the same time and peacefully shop. I eager to see what kroger does when 100 maskless people walk in at once to shop.
Everyone else please organize the same type of deal
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Another way, and a much faster way to end restriction is for the sheep to wake up and take off their masks.
If biden is elected and forces a nation wide mask mandate, I will be organizing a "mask free shopping hour" where myself and hundreds of people that share my view will pick a grocery store and we will all go in without masks at the same time and peacefully shop. I eager to see what kroger does when 100 maskless people walk in at once to shop.
Everyone else please organize the same type of deal
already did..
didn't end well
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-businesses-targeted-by-anti-mask-protestors/277-eb2ca974-f64e-4754-949f-0f4cd4f2b697
Police were called to remove them.. fined, etc...
Now business post this
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-business-owner-posts-sign-on-front-door-for-anti-maskers/277-ff68ae65-90f1-4397-b409-6357fb46b8cf
Can't do much to protest the government "proclamations" when 50% of the public is already on their knees bowing down.
You'll not only fight the govn't but also 100% of the sheep which is 50% of the populous
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this is one of the only people that get it
thanks for this post sir
I hope you really do that
courage is really lacking these days
we need more people like you with calm and logical thinking
you cannot organize this via the web though
people on the interwebs talk lots, but do basically nothing
they would all say yes!! ill do it as well !! then none of them would show up
like the fools working from home thinking they are going to be needed after this is completed
they would forget and be home watching yahoo news and posting on tic tok
maybe have a meeting at a local church or rent a conference room at a hotel?
if they cant show up for the meeting
then they wont show up for the shopping hour
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already did..
didn't end well
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-businesses-targeted-by-anti-mask-protestors/277-eb2ca974-f64e-4754-949f-0f4cd4f2b697
Police were called to remove them.. fined, etc...
Now business post this
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-business-owner-posts-sign-on-front-door-for-anti-maskers/277-ff68ae65-90f1-4397-b409-6357fb46b8cf
Can't do much to protest the government "proclamations" when 50% of the public is already on their knees bowing down.
You'll not only fight the govn't but also 100% of the sheep which is 50% of the populous
Boise is a bad example, thats why I left and moved to florida
thank god i am leaving boise Tuesday to go back to juno beach
people there are done for
broke losers who are fully controlled by their socialist mayor and cuckhold governor
and anything on KTVB channel 7 NBC
is corrupt to the core
of course they are going to frame it as a failure
are you in boise grinch?
they went to lots of businesses
ktvb chose one single business to speak about it, pro masker freak show
they will learn the hard way, buy going broke
the cops did nothing
zero zip, nothing
no citations
lol
"Can't do much to protest the government "proclamations" when 50% of the public is already on their knees bowing down."
you may be on your knees sir, and think others will just lay down and die like you will
but dont think anyone else is going too
you have no clue what your talking about
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they will just offer welfare to take it if there is resistance
take vaccine get free 1200 bucks
Already being talked about as of today:
CNBC article title: "Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work"
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html)
They're pulling all the stops to get people to swallow this bitter pill.
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please get vaccinated sir
then you can go back to "normal"
What is normal? What is normal is a matter of perspective and it is relative. If by normal, you mean having the freedom to eat out, go to the gym, go shopping, see a movie, visit friends and family, travel or just grabbing drink with a buddy....the yes by all means let's everyone get back to normal.
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already did..
didn't end well
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-businesses-targeted-by-anti-mask-protestors/277-eb2ca974-f64e-4754-949f-0f4cd4f2b697
Police were called to remove them.. fined, etc...
Now business post this
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/downtown-boise-business-owner-posts-sign-on-front-door-for-anti-maskers/277-ff68ae65-90f1-4397-b409-6357fb46b8cf
Can't do much to protest the government "proclamations" when 50% of the public is already on their knees bowing down.
You'll not only fight the govn't but also 100% of the sheep which is 50% of the populous
Just read the article, seems stupid how the protesters were trying to serve the business with paperwork, just go in and shop. A large chain manager/employee won't know what to do.
I have a friend that manages a Walgreens, they're instructions from corporate are to not engage mask-less shoppers and just let them shop.
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Already being talked about as of today:
CNBC article title: "Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work"
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html)
They're pulling all the stops to get people to swallow this bitter pill.
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gee imagine that
so predictable
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Just read the article, seems stupid how the protesters were trying to serve the business with paperwork, just go in and shop. A large chain manager/employee won't know what to do.
I have a friend that manages a Walgreens, they're instructions from corporate are to not engage mask-less shoppers and just let them shop.
yes that's true
I went into the mall in Boise last week
shopped lots of stores
not one employee told me to put a mask on
i bought shoes, the lady brough me boxes and boxes of shoes, all while I sat comfortably with no mask on
I bought clothes
I bought jewelry
money is stronger than , feelings, or fear
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yes that's true
I went into the mall in Boise last week
shopped lots of stores
not one employee told me to put a mask on
i bought shoes, the lady brough me boxes and boxes of shoes, all while I sat comfortably with no mask on
I bought clothes
I bought jewelry
money is stronger than , feelings, or fear
9/10 times no ones says anything to me for not wearing a mask. Last time I was told to put a mask on was at a small asian boba drink place where I told the employee he just lost a $20 sale and when the government shuts them down again he'll lose his job.
What really set me off in that case is that 3 ft away from where I was refused service without putting mask on, there was a table of 6 people sitting down and drinking their drink without mask on. Employees response when I pointed that out was "but they already ordered so they can have mask off"
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yes its beyond illogical
has zero to do with health
zero
its just about compliance
its not going to work
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So your postulation is that there is high likelihood that the mRNA in the COVID vaccine would be broken down (i.e. downregulated) after its purpose is served, as evidenced by the fact that our bodies in general do breakdown endogenous proteins that are homologous in structure?
This would assume that our bodies would have a great chance of breaking down proteins with minute homology (simply put, cells that have slight differences but more in common, as homology would suggest). Exogenous, or better said engineered exogenous mRNA, might not be as homologous or easy to regulate as it's still foreign. This is where my hang-up continues. I also saw where you suggested that a small enough dose of this mRNA vaccine might not be enough to spur a widely systemic autoimmune response, I hope this is true.
Flexacon, not trying to go against the grain, just stirring up discussion as this genuinely interests me and only a few of you guys are able to indulge this microbiology talk, as it is pretty bland. I asked my older brother, who is a Gastroenterologist at Weill Cornell Hospital about this shit and he simply told me, "I'm a GI doctor, not a virologist or immunologist. I know symptoms, labs, scans, pharmacological interventions and invasive scoping procedures to treat GI diseases. This nonsense is beyond my scope or pay grade."
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It's been a few years since I read up on this, but the key point I remember is that they were trying to use mRNA to directly try and treat a disease, not induce immunity. Iirc low doses of mRNA wouldn't be able to treat a disease and higher doses or mRNA caused extremely unpleasant side effects and toxicity. I couldn't find an explanation for the toxicity, but it may well have been an autoimmune/cytokine response.
The key difference now is mRNA is being used to prevent a viral disease not treat a disease, so the lower doses of mRNA now have an application.
We can look at it in the same as we do with the coronavirus as this is "foreign" invader. In most cases we clear it without issues, but only if the viral load remains low in our bodies. If the virus replicates and the viral load increases then we're in danger of a cytokine storm ravaging our body and the resulting toxicity. The foreign elements of the mRNA vaccine or the adenovirus vaccine should follow the same principles when it comes to autoimmunity and cytokine storms. Dosage is key to avoiding this and it looks like they've established a safe dosage regime and have the necessary studies supporting this. That's why my concern is more about the possibility of long term side effects. That's the unknown.
Again though trying to explain this stuff at molecular biology level is beyond me.
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Outside my condo this morning, in freezing temperature, some bozo was walking his dog. Wearing a giant mask. Not another soul in sight.
You can’t make up this buffoonery.
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yes that's true
I went into the mall in Boise last week
shopped lots of stores
not one employee told me to put a mask on
i bought shoes, the lady brough me boxes and boxes of shoes, all while I sat comfortably with no mask on
I bought clothes
I bought jewelry
money is stronger than , feelings, or fear
Maybe they thought you fit one of the exemptions
NOW, THEREFORE, I, Lauren McLean, Mayor of Boise City, Idaho, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Boise City Code Sections 1-15-05, 1-15-08, and 3-1A-1, Idaho Code Title 50, Chapters 3 and 6, and Article XII, Section 2 of the Idaho Constitution, to protect the public hereby issue this Public Health Emergency Order 20-13; Businesses; Individuals; Face Coverings; Airport; Bars, Bicycle Bars; and Public Meetings ("Emergency Order 20-13"):
Section 1. Stage Two Modified Order – Incorporated Herein. The Stage Two Modified Order is hereby incorporated in its entirety in this Public Health Emergency Order 20-13 except as otherwise specifically set forth herein.
Section 2. CDH Order: Restriction. The CDH Order: Restriction is hereby incorporated in its entirety into this Public Health Emergency Order 20-13, except as otherwise specifically set forth herein.
Section 3. Businesses - Required Compliance. All businesses that are eligible to remain open pursuant to the Stage Two Modified Order and the CDH Order: Restriction must comply with all social distancing and sanitation recommendations and requirements as provided in the Stage Two Modified Order, CDH Order: Restriction, and Section 4 of this Emergency Order 20-13. Additionally, all businesses that are eligible to remain open pursuant to the Stage Two Modified Order, CDH Order: Restriction, and this Emergency Order 20-13 must comply with all relevant business protocol recommendations and requirements for Stage Two business reopening as provided for by Central District Health ("CDH") and as found at https://rebound.idaho.gov/.
Section 4. Individuals - Social Distancing, Face Coverings, and Sanitation Requirements- Required Compliance. To the extent individuals are outside of their residence, individuals must comply with the Stage Two Modified Order and the CDH Order: Restriction, in addition to the following:
A. Individuals shall maintain at least six (6) feet minimum physical distancing from non-household members, whenever possible.
B. Every person is required to wear a face covering that completely covers the person’s nose and mouth when the person is in a public place.
a. DEFINITIONS:
i. For purposes of this Public Health Emergency Order, "public place" shall mean any place open to members of public without specific invitation, including but not necessarily limited to retail business establishments, government offices, medical, educational, arts and recreational institutions, and public transportation, including taxi cabs and ridesharing vehicles, outdoor public areas, including but not limited to public parks, trails, streets, sidewalks, lines for entry, exit or service.
ii. For the purposes of this order, “face covering” includes but is not limited to paper or disposable masks, cloth masks, religious face coverings, scarves, neck gaiters, or bandannas. Any mask that incorporates a valve or vent or contains openings, holes, or visible gaps is non-compliant.
b. EXEMPTIONS:
i. Children under the age of two (2). Or adults who act like a two year old.
ii. Persons with medical conditions, mental health conditions, or disability that prevent them from wearing a face covering. A person is not required to provide documentation demonstrating that the person cannot tolerate wearing a face covering.
iii. Persons who are deaf and hard of hearing, or communicating with a person who is deaf and hard of hearing, where the ability to see the mouth is essential for communication.
iv. Persons, including on-duty first responders, for whom wearing a face covering would create a risk to the person related to their work, as determined by local, state, or federal regulators or workplace safety guidelines.
v. Persons who are obtaining a service involving the nose, face, or head for which temporary removal of the face covering is necessary to perform the service.
vi. Persons who are eating or drinking at a restaurant or other establishment that offers food or beverage service, so long as they engage in physical distancing.
vii. Persons actively engaged in athletic competition, training, or practice when wearing a face covering is not feasible.
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I bought this yesterday
searching for info about next years burning man event,
i want to go to one
I'm going to wear it to troll the masktards places i know lots of old people are in , ladies usually are the ones who freak most about it
was only 60 bucks of etsy
delivery from NY
and prime please go away with your copy paste articles
I'm exempt for life
I'm a free person i don't need permission to be free
plus my money is green, and I have much much more than you do, so ill always be allowed to shop and do what I please
this entire thing is about money
which is why i can understand why you or others cant seem to make the connection. you don't have any so it doesn't click
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Steampunk+Gas+Mask+-+Basic+Matte+Black+Full+Face+DIY+%27BIO-HAZARD%27+Steampunk+Post-Apocalyptic+Gas+Mask+-+Burning+Man+Mask&form=ANNTH1&refig=3c56c535b40d46cbb1cfad0f4b3131ec
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I did read an article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (a division of the NIH), that said that risks from using an mRNA vaccine include: the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.
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Isn't this what happened to Dennis Newman when her used that earlier version of recombinant HGH that had one too many of dem dere proteins?
Once mike slams it with a insulin pin and turns into a talking monkey
I’ll be in line at Walgreens
Hahaha! OK, I have to admit that was a legit LOL ;D
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I bought this yesterday
searching for info about next years burning man event,
i want to go to one
I'm going to wear it to troll the masktards places i know lots of old people are in , ladies usually are the ones who freak most about it
was only 60 bucks of etsy
delivery from NY
and prime please go away with your copy paste articles
I'm exempt for life
I'm a free person i don't need permission to be free
plus my money is green, and I have much much more than you do, so ill always be allowed to shop and do what I please
this entire thing is about money
which is why i can understand why you or others cant seem to make the connection. you don't have any so it doesn't click
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Steampunk+Gas+Mask+-+Basic+Matte+Black+Full+Face+DIY+%27BIO-HAZARD%27+Steampunk+Post-Apocalyptic+Gas+Mask+-+Burning+Man+Mask&form=ANNTH1&refig=3c56c535b40d46cbb1cfad0f4b3131ec
I am so happy for you. You say you have much more money than I do and yet you have no idea how much money I have....amazing! You actually carry cash? Nobody pays with the green stuff anymore. Use a card, get points back. Oh that's right. You are rich and don't give a shit about such trivial things as earning points.
It is clear that you are among the super wealthy because you go to Burning Man and you also have time to wear a gas mask to troll the 'masktards' places with lots of old people, particularly women.
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thanks
haven't been to burning man yet
but I will
you have a reading comprehension problem?
I plan to go I have not been , yet
carry on
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thanks
haven't been to burning man yet
but I will
you have a reading comprehension problem?
I plan to go I have not been , yet
carry on
I've been twice, my buddy from high school is a photographer who knows the people who run the show.
You are going to be VERY disappointed. It's nothing like what you think it is.
Just plan on doing a ton of drugs and dealing with extremely weird people.
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I just want the experience of going
I appreciate larger art structures ect, and the way people interact
ill rent a small rv so I can sleep without dust up my ass and be able to cook my meals inside
I just want to go to see for myself
not what I'm "told" about it
if they even have one
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Isn't this what happened to Dennis Newman when her used that earlier version of recombinant HGH that had one too many of dem dere proteins?
I'm not sure. What was the story regarding Newman?
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I just want the experience of going
I appreciate larger art structures ect, and the way people interact
ill rent a small rv so I can sleep without dust up my ass and be able to cook my meals inside
I just want to go to see for myself
not what I'm "told" about it
if they even have one
It's worth going for the experience.
Just don't set your expectations too high.
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Boise is a bad example, thats why I left and moved to florida
thank god i am leaving boise Tuesday to go back to juno beach
people there are done for
broke losers who are fully controlled by their socialist mayor and cuckhold governor
and anything on KTVB channel 7 NBC
is corrupt to the core
of course they are going to frame it as a failure
are you in boise grinch?
they went to lots of businesses
ktvb chose one single business to speak about it, pro masker freak show
they will learn the hard way, buy going broke
the cops did nothing
zero zip, nothing
no citations
lol
"Can't do much to protest the government "proclamations" when 50% of the public is already on their knees bowing down."
you may be on your knees sir, and think others will just lay down and die like you will
but dont think anyone else is going too
you have no clue what your talking about
not going to boise, have fam in FL (but too many joggers there for my liking)
just amazed that the once hardcore republican "free" Idaho has quickly become California
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Boise is done for
to many weak isolated people
Boise is so isolated they don't even know how others in this country live free
its sad
there are only joggers in bad areas of Florida
not palm beach
maybe Riviera beach on the wrong side of the bridge
maybe west palm down south
not juno not jupiter, or taquesta
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It's worth going for the experience.
Just don't set your expectations too high.
I wont bro
I don't do rec drugs
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thanks
haven't been to burning man yet
but I will
you have a reading comprehension problem?
I plan to go I have not been , yet
carry on
Missed it. Well when you do go to Burning Man, have fun.
I've seen photos and read articles about it. It seems amazing, pretty crazy and something a lot of people enjoy. I once thought about going, but that was a longtime ago when I was much younger. I doubt it is the place for old men. The average age of those who attend is 34 years old. It also surprises me that children can attend. Seems like an adults only type of event. Maybe the really crazy shit goes on in areas not open to kids.
NSFW: https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/11801066/273646000
http://www.swingersblog.nude-beach-sex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Burning-Man-Pole-Fuck-2.jpg
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I've been twice, my buddy from high school is a photographer who knows the people who run the show.
You are going to be VERY disappointed. It's nothing like what you think it is.
Just plan on doing a ton of drugs and dealing with extremely weird people.
that's bullshit, ive gone 4 times and yes there are some weirdos and loads of drugs but burning man is one of the wonders of the world.
it's a fucking pop up city that appears out of nowhere in 10 days, it houses over 70 thousand people, it disappears after a week with 0 trace, they literally rake the sand for any matter that shouldn't be there as to not disturb the ecosystem. no garbage, not even stray liquid.
the art and installations of world class, the music is top notch, it's fuck as fuck.
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Missed it. Well when you do go to Burning Man, have fun.
I've seen photos and read articles about it. It seems amazing, pretty crazy and something a lot of people enjoy. I once thought about going, but that was a longtime ago when I was much younger. I doubt it is the place for old men. The average age of those who attend is 34 years old. It also surprises me that children can attend. Seems like an adults only type of event. Maybe the really crazy shit goes on in areas not open to kids.
NSFW: https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/11801066/273646000
http://www.swingersblog.nude-beach-sex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Burning-Man-Pole-Fuck-2.jpg
the sex is an extremely small part of burning man
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not going to boise, have fam in FL (but too many joggers there for my liking)
just amazed that the once hardcore republican "free" Idaho has quickly become California
it's about to happen everywhere, people are ditching major cities for midsized cities, they're gonna bring their liberal values, have liberal kids and their working remotely big city salaries. They're going to expect the same perks in a boise that they had in nyc or la. Expect a rainbow flag flying outside of every business on main street soon,
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the sex is an extremely small part of burning man
Maybe. It just doesn't seem like a good place to take your kids. Hopefully, sexual activities are in special area where young people are not permitted.
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that's bullshit, ive gone 4 times and yes there are some weirdos and loads of drugs but burning man is one of the wonders of the world.
it's a fucking pop up city that appears out of nowhere in 10 days, it houses over 70 thousand people, it disappears after a week with 0 trace, they literally rake the sand for any matter that shouldn't be there as to not disturb the ecosystem. no garbage, not even stray liquid.
the art and installations of world class, the music is top notch, it's fuck as fuck.
Hippie Meltdown.
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that's bullshit, ive gone 4 times and yes there are some weirdos and loads of drugs but burning man is one of the wonders of the world.
it's a fucking pop up city that appears out of nowhere in 10 days, it houses over 70 thousand people, it disappears after a week with 0 trace, they literally rake the sand for any matter that shouldn't be there as to not disturb the ecosystem. no garbage, not even stray liquid.
the art and installations of world class, the music is top notch, it's fuck as fuck.
I like your style brother
I look forward to going to my first burn
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that's bullshit, ive gone 4 times and yes there are some weirdos and loads of drugs but burning man is one of the wonders of the world.
it's a fucking pop up city that appears out of nowhere in 10 days, it houses over 70 thousand people, it disappears after a week with 0 trace, they literally rake the sand for any matter that shouldn't be there as to not disturb the ecosystem. no garbage, not even stray liquid.
the art and installations of world class, the music is top notch, it's fuck as fuck.
I read an article awhile back about the setup and dismantling of Burning Man the detailed exactly what you've posted. Personally, I think attending Burning man would be a very interesting experience. It just doesn't see like it would be a good experience for children. That was my main point. I'm not prudish, I could care less what people do at events such as this and others where fair warning is given so no one who does not want to be or shouldn't be exposed to the goings on, is. For example, Portland hosts both the naked bike ride and a naked run. It is well advertised as it should be to avoid people being offended by the nudity or often semi-nudity.
It's really on a tiny scale as opposed to Burning Man but in Oregon each year (when there's not a pandemic) the Oregon Country Fair is an annual three-day festival that is held on over 400 acres of forested land in Veneta, Oregon
As you can see, it is more of a hippie type event
(https://www.eugeneweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160707ocf-pics-1.jpg)
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Already being talked about as of today:
CNBC article title: "Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work"
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html)
They're pulling all the stops to get people to swallow this bitter pill.
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I'm ok with that. It's an incentive. If you don't do it then you don't get $1500, which you didn't have yesterday.
What I'll object to are punitive restrictions. You can't shop here/travel here/work here, even though you could yesterday. They mentioned that in the article. "We already...school attendance...this is no different."
I like this effort to understand the technology and illuminate the mechanics of the vaccine's operation. Important stuff, but mainstream info for grown adults will likely consist of a frowney cartoon + syringe = smiley cartoon.
Brace for vilification. At best you're going to be "not doing your part." You may be "one of those crazies." Sticks and stones, but I wonder to what degree we'll be "not permitted to X" even tho you could yesterday.
Faithfully,
One Of Those Crazies
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Already being talked about as of today:
CNBC article title: "Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work"
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html)
They're pulling all the stops to get people to swallow this bitter pill.
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No. Fuck them all to hell.
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that's bullshit, ive gone 4 times and yes there are some weirdos and loads of drugs but burning man is one of the wonders of the world.
it's a fucking pop up city that appears out of nowhere in 10 days, it houses over 70 thousand people, it disappears after a week with 0 trace, they literally rake the sand for any matter that shouldn't be there as to not disturb the ecosystem. no garbage, not even stray liquid.
the art and installations of world class, the music is top notch, it's fuck as fuck.
Meltdown. ;D
It's like a Woodstock filled with people who don't take showers and walk around tripping all day.
If that is world class, you haven't been out much. But i will agree the art is pretty cool.
The pictures you see online represent less than 1% of what you see in person.
It's pretty neat if you're into weird things, but i couldn't handle all the strange people and i'm a very open minded person. Plus having to worry about people stealing your stuff all day long gets old. I heard it was a lot better in years past. My friend has been going for a long time.
You probably think Ibiza is cool too.
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note to pro vaccines people
even after you take it
you'll be told to keep wearing the masks
cause others haven't taken it
hmmm
is it really about germs then?
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note to pro vaccines people
even after you take it
you'll be told to keep wearing the masks
cause others haven't taken it
hmmm
is it really about germs then?
If not germs (the Corona virus in this case), what it is about in your opinion?
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dum dee dum dee dee dim dum
???
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I'm not sure. What was the story regarding Newman?
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I fear you're asking the wrong person here - one of the GetBig historians/scientists will know this better than me... and my terminology/understanding is almost certainly off...
...but as I remember it, after the Crescormin GH (harvested from cadaver pituitary glands) came the early recombinant stuff - where the GH gene was essentially cloned via e coli. But the early process wasn't 100% perfect so some extra peptides went along for the ride. Wish I could remember what this stuff was called
And if I recall correctly, in some people these extraneous proteins were enough to trigger an immune response to the exogenous GH in the body that wouldn't stop even when injections stopped.. So the body continued attacking it's own endogenous GH, putting the immune system into overdrive
And this (I think) was what Newman suspected triggered his leukemia (the chronic lymphocitic type). It wasn't the lymphoblastic or myeloid (mutant cell) variety, which is why the bone marrow transfer worked so well for him - he basically flushed it out
My memory is not that good... but there's a dead link that might originally have been to the article I read. If anyone has a copy they could maybe scan it in? (separate thread)
Did GH give Dennis Newman leukemia?
Search domain connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9501181752/did-gh-give-dennis-newman-leukemiaconnection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9501181752/did-gh-give-dennis-newman-leukemia
Did GH give Dennis Newman leukemia? AUTHOR(S) McGough, Peter. PUB. DATE. February 1995. SOURCE. Joe Weider's Muscle & Fitness;Feb95, Vol. 56 Issue 2, p129. SOURCE TYPE. Periodical . DOC. TYPE. Article . ABSTRACT. Features the story of Southern California surfing champion Dennis Newman and the possibility that growth hormones gave him leukemia. Insight into surfing and bodybuilding career ...
Van Bilderass also kind of alludes to it in this really old post
This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread. First he says, "I never used insulin", and then in the very next sentence he says, "I maybe used a few units" LOL. If you'd ask him if he used insulin he'd say no, but it wouldn't be the whole truth would it now. :D
The whole interview really gives the impression that he doesn't want to talk about it, he doesn't really remember what drugs he took and how many.
Dennis was really addicted to the drugs. He got leukemia and swore he would never touch GH again. Then a few years later he admitted in MD that he did use it again, many times, and with insulin too. Also apparently got involved in the rec drug scene.
Also, the part about a friend giving him 3K worth of GH for "free." Probably a homosexual.
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Not voluntarily and will have to be forcibly given it if it’s made mandatory
Ditto. If it gets to the point where I am being threatened to take it or be dropped into a lake of hungry crocodiles, I'll probably end up taking it, but even cancelling me from society completely, I won't. I guess I'll just have to live my life through curbside pickup services, or literally just stay inside my home completely for a few years until enough information is out proving the vaccine's safety for me to take it - and even then, it takes more than a few years to prove that a vaccine is safe [more like 10-15+ years to go through the normal regulatory procedures]. After only eight months of research, we already have a Covid-19 vaccine that is supposedly 95% effective, even though the normal seasonal influenza vaccine is only around 45% effective, and we've had the flu and its mutations [and slightly changed vaccines to combat those mutations] available for decades now - but yeah, a vaccine that is 95% effective against COVID is believable. ::)
Still, I could see myself just accepting death by crocodiles over being forced to take this vaccine. I am just a person who stands his ground. So I guess time will tell. I hope if I am dumped into a lake of hungry crocodiles that a hippo would come to save me, which hippos sometimes do for other animals. Humans have proven to be about as intelligent as wildebeests when it comes to going along with the herd.
Are any Getbiggers from New Orleans? I didn't realize the American south was so filled with alligators and wild pigs, lol. Even the pigs in this case are showing more signs of risking their lives to help a fellow species member than humans have so far with this COVID stuff. LOL...which Getbigger set up that pig here?:
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I fear you're asking the wrong person here - one of the GetBig historians/scientists will know this better than me... and my terminology/understanding is almost certainly off...
...but as I remember it, after the Crescormin GH (harvested from cadaver pituitary glands) came the early recombinant stuff - where the GH gene was essentially cloned via e coli. But the early process wasn't 100% perfect so some extra peptides went along for the ride. Wish I could remember what this stuff was called
And if I recall correctly, in some people these extraneous proteins were enough to trigger an immune response to the exogenous GH in the body that wouldn't stop even when injections stopped.. So the body continued attacking it's own endogenous GH, putting the immune system into overdrive
And this (I think) was what Newman suspected triggered his leukemia (the chronic lymphocitic type). It wasn't the lymphoblastic or myeloid (mutant cell) variety, which is why the bone marrow transfer worked so well for him - he basically flushed it out
My memory is not that good... but there's a dead link that might originally have been to the article I read. If anyone has a copy they could maybe scan it in? (separate thread)
Did GH give Dennis Newman leukemia?
Search domain connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9501181752/did-gh-give-dennis-newman-leukemiaconnection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9501181752/did-gh-give-dennis-newman-leukemia
Did GH give Dennis Newman leukemia? AUTHOR(S) McGough, Peter. PUB. DATE. February 1995. SOURCE. Joe Weider's Muscle & Fitness;Feb95, Vol. 56 Issue 2, p129. SOURCE TYPE. Periodical . DOC. TYPE. Article . ABSTRACT. Features the story of Southern California surfing champion Dennis Newman and the possibility that growth hormones gave him leukemia. Insight into surfing and bodybuilding career ...
Van Bilderass also kind of alludes to it in this really old post
Fucking scary as hell if you ask me. The shit some people will do just to have a certain body ideal.
Leave it to Van to know those obscure facts.
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I fear you're asking the wrong person here - one of the GetBig historians/scientists will know this better than me... and my terminology/understanding is almost certainly off...
You probably know more of the terminology than I do, but that old post you quoted from Van Bilderass about Dennis Newman's GH use mentioned the MD article where Dennis was asked about it. I was army training in Kingston when I read that - so I am almost certain that it was a Spring 2003 issue of MD. I would say the 2003 "August" issue, which would have come out in June [Paul Dillett cover], since I returned home that year on June 20th, so it wasn't later than that.
In the interview, Newman was asked if he thought that GH use had anything to do with his leukemia, and he said either yes, or that he thinks it possibly/probably did. When asked if he used GH since, he said he had used it four times since, because he doesn't like being told what to do - or something in that tone. Basically that it's his life, YOLO, etc.
I remember Paul Dillett was accusing the IFBB of racism in that issue [yeah, with a 5-time and counting reigning Mr. Olympia champion at the time. ::)]. I remember that Dillett said that he was half Black and half White, so he couldn't be racist, and I was thinking "That makes sense." LMAO...oh well, I was a brainwashed 21-year-old who grew up being told that only White people can be racist, so I can forgive myself for thinking that.
I also recall that Newman guest-posed at the Mr. Olympia that year and was booed onstage because he was clearly still using steroids/PED's, despite having beaten leukemia. That may have been where those photos of Dennis Newman with numerous injuries was from, but I also recall he competed in an Ironman Contest post-leukemia, so it may have been from there.
I think in that same MD issue, Newman said that his wife divorced him when he got leukemia, and shrunk down to 160-lb. Talk about "'Til Death Do Us Part ". ::)
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Fucking scary as hell if you ask me. The shit some people will do just to have a certain body ideal.
Leave it to Van to know those obscure facts.
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Tell me about it.
And tell me about it.
You won't get away with much with Van - from what little experience I had with steroids, when I used what was by ALL means a wimpy cycle [a few of them - as in literally, three in my life], and got to around 193-lb and pretty lean for that size [compared to average people - not competing bodybuilders], Van knew I was using.
He said the reason why is because we have the most highly disproportionate number of steroid receptors in our shoulders/delts [I'm not sure why, and don't recall anyone ever explaining if there is some underlying biological mechanism why that would be the case], and Van said he knew I was using steroids because my shoulders are one of only two areas of my physique where I have decent muscle fiber concentration, and they were out of proportion to my other muscles. No amount of juicing is going to change your genetic structure, and that's probably why I just submitted to my biology, and stayed 170-lb for most of my adult years, which is still around my goal weight.
Also, Dennis Newman was by all means said to be a handsome guy - and oddly, was one of the few who retained his looks even with heavy juice. Meanwhile, the guy could have been 210-lb at 5'10", and had a career in the fitness world, and possibly not have gotten leukemia, depending on that GH/leukemia correlation. In fact - I just recall how that 2003 interview he did with MD ended. He said something like:
"F*ck bodybuilding - I should have been a model!"
No doubt about that - he looked better at lower body weights, IMO, and he could have had such a physique with much less toxicity to his body through juice. I don't know if he is around 240-lb here, but I think he was in that range - yet he still maintained his facial handsomeness. I can't remember which Getbigger said that there comes a point where nature will literally stop us from becoming too attractive - I think it was that nature will literally say "You're getting too much pussy" [or cock, I guess], and stop people from "having it all" so to speak.
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You won't get away with much with Van
True words!
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Maybe. It just doesn't seem like a good place to take your kids. Hopefully, sexual activities are in special area where young people are not permitted.
it's the desert it's not like people are gonna fuck outdoors under the sun in 110 degree weather, the sex occurs in enclosed ac areas that are clearly marked not for kids
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I like your style brother
I look forward to going to my first burn
if you're keen there's one called love burn in miami, it's pretty much a scaled version and you get the added benefit of being on the beach, you can stay in a hotel and order ubereats
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Meltdown. ;D
It's like a Woodstock filled with people who don't take showers and walk around tripping all day.
If that is world class, you haven't been out much. But i will agree the art is pretty cool.
The pictures you see online represent less than 1% of what you see in person.
It's pretty neat if you're into weird things, but i couldn't handle all the strange people and i'm a very open minded person. Plus having to worry about people stealing your stuff all day long gets old. I heard it was a lot better in years past. My friend has been going for a long time.
You probably think Ibiza is cool too.
1) it's nothing like that, yes there are lots hippies but there's also major tech bros, lots of 20 year olds looking to party and do rec drug, social media influencers looking to be seen, art connoisseurs. It's a microcosm of society.
I was born in England, I've lived in Israel(where i also have citizenship), south Africa, new Zealand and now the states, i've visited every country in western Europe and south America and loads in between. Don't lump me in with trash Americans who barely ever leave the tiny town they're born in.
no one steals your shit, you prob camped with rubbish people, more so if something of yours get stolen there's plenty of folks gifting anything you can possibly want
and yeah ibiza is cool when you're 24
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if you're keen there's one called love burn in miami, it's pretty much a scaled version and you get the added benefit of being on the beach, you can stay in a hotel and order ubereats
Thanks man that’s only 70 miles south of me
I’ll look into that
Problem is it’s in democratic broward county
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after everything that happened this year,
all coincidence right?
you get this shit in your body you deserve it
you don't know how long they took to develop it
could have been ready to go long time ago
there is no such thing as truth
but I know what isn't true
Exactly. You have had many epic posts here, but I'll just quote this one. A couple of points [you can ignore anything not in bold]:
- Just two weeks to flatten the curve!" Day 285 [LMAO...it amazes me how far we've tolerated this through the gradual process of acclimatization. The global elites are really pushing this to see exactly how much the public will tolerate, and they are running a risk of the population snapping if they keep pushing it...but I almost get the sense they feel they are prepared for that].
- The 2,604 global billionaires overall net wealth went up by over $1 trillion so far, making their total net wealth as a group exceed $10 trillion [Primemuscle doesn't even seem to understand memes written by his fellow liberals like the one below - while I am almost certain he has no signs of dementia or age-based cognitive impairment, he doesn't seem able to understand any concept that requires controlling for more than one variable. Possibly the product of living in an all-White, high trust liberal society all of his life. Again, even the meme below will go over his head].
- The average age of a person dying remains 84.8, and among people suffering 2-3 separate health comorbidities. Only 6% of the population even SURVIVES beyond that age with that health status, and from a statistical/actuarial perspective, are within the last 6-18 months of their lives as it is! Unbelievable that people are afraid of this. How can a society filled with opioid-addicted obese alcoholics not understand that we can become unhealthy, and that life ends?
- Canada is deficit spending at a rate of $1 BILLION per day, and I suspect most rich countries are around that level. Canada has accrued more debt in 2020 than in the past 30 years combined! Deficit spending this year alone exceeds any year in the HISTORY of Canada, and I think that figure is inflation-adjusted [but it's possible more was spent during WWII or something like that].
- We're really leading the sheep to the slaughter with this one, where only the dumbest - the ABSOLUTE dumbest among us - will continue to tolerate this. Sadly, they are driving a lot of normal people to go along with it, and probably up to 50% of the population is at least somewhat on board with this. But any attempts to force a vaccine on the masses will result in making it absolutely clear how many people aren't buying into this. Right now, sheep are "just wearing a mask", while global billionaires get away with the largest transfer of wealth from the SME sector, and debt runs out of control.
But they, like Prime, don't know how the economy works, so don't understand the generational implications such debt will have on society, and so all they really notice right now is that they have to wear a mask. Forcing people to get a vaccine is a whole other level of compliance, and that's when the elites will start to lose this game. At that point, they will have collectively increased their net wealth by TRILLIONS, and possibly be happy to calm down for another ten years, when they can use another crisis to rob the middle class.
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This is after all a bodybuilding site my crazy friend from Canada
Your not going to get anyone except maybe mayday to understand this is not about health
It’s pure financial
That is it
Now the only Hope these guys have is when there’s no Job to go back to
Working remotely? Lols
They will get evicted or lose mortgages, cars ect
They will stop worrying about a piece of cotton on their face or virtue signaling
Bigger priorities will prevail
Like not being homeless
Let’s hope it happens before the end of 2021
Cause I am buying multi family units and I need those bums renting from me
But I hedge that with Amazon stock and old dominion trucking for the losers who want to stay home and order on internet
Either way they lose we win
Sooner the better
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This post.
This post.
And this post.
Are all great.
Great idea in this post
But I am all in favor of Getbig's left wingers to get in line, lol
LOL!!!!
[see comic strip below - although it's a spoiler if you actually want to read a good science fiction story on this theme]
take vaccine get free 1200 bucks
Wow - are we seriously getting to the point that India is in, where they were offered free cars and blenders for the poor [non-Brahmin] Indians to get sterilized? LMAO. Jews in Israel actually forcibly sterilized a bunch of Africans once.
You can't make this stuff up [from India]:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-13982031
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prizes-for-getting-sterilized-india-offers-chance-at-a-car-blenders
From Israel:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/30/forced-contraception-jewish-ethopian-women
Those who use the weasel-word pejorative 'conspiracy theorist', which is used do discourage analysis, have gone "overboard".
Exactly - and notice how "conspiracy theorist" was a way to prevent anyone from talking about 9/11. And by circulating a bunch of videos from idiots saying that the twin towers were taking down via controlled demolition, it got people away from talking about sweeping policy changes to airlines, and the war in Afghanistan which resulted in a 20x increase in opium being shipped to North America, etc. THAT is what was actually happening, but I guess whoever was benefitting from 9/11 [the real conspiracy] had a hand in that. Whoever "they" are, they are pretty smart to predict all this...but I think they are pushing too hard this time. Maybe they are really concerned that the planet will warm to a point that all of their billions or trillions won't be worth a hill of beans, and actually want people to die in the mass millions or even mass billions, to prevent that. Somehow this just feels too forced. I've never experienced anything like this in my life, so I just get the feeling something is going on that I don't know...but I don't know what it is. I'm assuming much of what is happening is by design, to collapse the economy, even though the virus itself may well have been natural [although I don't even know that for certain].
Maybe this is how the global rich feel right now, due to actual crises that even their gigantic wealth can't help get them out of:
Or this [NSFW]:
^ Libya with Gaddafi, much like Iraq without Saddam Hussein, is by all measures, worse off than it was with him. :-\ If any Getbiggers think I'm wrong there, I would be happy to analyze whatever information they have showing that I am wrong.
This one pissed me off so much. Lets introduce a hep b reaction in an hour old baby before he even drinks his first sip of milk. Total BS
Understandable. The MMR vaccines are important though. I can't speak on the autism link. Testing has actually gotten much better, which is why I was not diagnosed through an autism test as a child, but was as an adult in 2016, when I was 34.
And with that...I need to stop replying to this thread for tonight/today, because I will just get out of hand posting too much if I do. That's why I decided to consolidate all my replies in one thread.
Oh wait - one more:
They won't have to, they will just start taking your shiny things, then your job will require you to, then they will take your kids, but don't worry its safe you tin foil hat wackadoodle, getting it? No stopping it.
LOL!!!
I'm reminded of this:
Wait...one more:
America was never remotely close to being one of the freest nations on the planet, it's a lie they tell kids so they can go die for oil
??? ??? ???
While the second part of your post is true, the USA was, most absolutely, the freest nation in the world. Specifically, it was the freest LARGE nation in the world.
And as authoritarianism continues to creep, people who were brainwashed by left-wing assholes like Michael Moore to give up their gun rights because of non-White gun violence that he blamed on White Americans through implication in his POS documentary, while this same imported non-White population that Moore shoved on the masses is collectively causing billions of dollars in property damage - they are going to be asking for that fat fuck's head a on STICK, for fuck's sake.
NONE of the revolutionary energy to destroy the USA would be possible if not for the importation of MILLIONS of people from the developing world into the USA, and White Americans are the ones who are going to suffer through all of those riots as they PAMPER this population with welfare beyond a level that they EVER gave it to themselves, as those same pampered non-Whites blame everything on White people.
When a huge chunk of the liberal Whites figure this out, many of these agendas [particularly, displacement of White people demographically] will stop dead in their tracks for another thirty years or more.
I'm getting the impression THAT is actually the problem now, hence why Covid-19 is being used to accelerate the agenda that would have just kept going along had there not been Covid-19 to distract awakening White people with - both in the USA, and worldwide.
I have NO IDEA why you would say the USA wasn't an extremely free country.
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burning man
burning man is a prelude to hell... that stick figure will b u.
(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/160825_vod_iam_burningman_4x3_992.jpg)
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searching for answers amongst dead, over compartmentalized wastelands of obfuscation
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NOT ME AND NEVER GOT A FLU SHOT EITHER.
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Exactly. You have had many epic posts here, but I'll just quote this one. A couple of points [you can ignore anything not in bold]:
- Just two weeks to flatten the curve!" Day 285 [LMAO...it amazes me how far we've tolerated this through the gradual process of acclimatization. The global elites are really pushing this to see exactly how much the public will tolerate, and they are running a risk of the population snapping if they keep pushing it...but I almost get the sense they feel they are prepared for that].
- The 2,604 global billionaires overall net wealth went up by over $1 trillion so far, making their total net wealth as a group exceed $10 trillion [Primemuscle doesn't even seem to understand memes written by his fellow liberals like the one below - while I am almost certain he has no signs of dementia or age-based cognitive impairment, he doesn't seem able to understand any concept that requires controlling for more than one variable. Possibly the product of living in an all-White, high trust liberal society all of his life. Again, even the meme below will go over his head].
- The average age of a person dying remains 84.8, and among people suffering 2-3 separate health comorbidities. Only 6% of the population even SURVIVES beyond that age with that health status, and from a statistical/actuarial perspective, are within the last 6-18 months of their lives as it is! Unbelievable that people are afraid of this. How can a society filled with opioid-addicted obese alcoholics not understand that we can become unhealthy, and that life ends?
- Canada is deficit spending at a rate of $1 BILLION per day, and I suspect most rich countries are around that level. Canada has accrued more debt in 2020 than in the past 30 years combined! Deficit spending this year alone exceeds any year in the HISTORY of Canada, and I think that figure is inflation-adjusted [but it's possible more was spent during WWII or something like that].
- We're really leading the sheep to the slaughter with this one, where only the dumbest - the ABSOLUTE dumbest among us - will continue to tolerate this. Sadly, they are driving a lot of normal people to go along with it, and probably up to 50% of the population is at least somewhat on board with this. But any attempts to force a vaccine on the masses will result in making it absolutely clear how many people aren't buying into this. Right now, sheep are "just wearing a mask", while global billionaires get away with the largest transfer of wealth from the SME sector, and debt runs out of control.
But they, like Prime, don't know how the economy works, so don't understand the generational implications such debt will have on society, and so all they really notice right now is that they have to wear a mask. Forcing people to get a vaccine is a whole other level of compliance, and that's when the elites will start to lose this game. At that point, they will have collectively increased their net wealth by TRILLIONS, and possibly be happy to calm down for another ten years, when they can use another crisis to rob the middle class.
Billionaires rule the world.
They already control most of the news, entertainment and social media.
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I thought Pluto wandered out of our solar system
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I'm not swallowing this bitter pill.
I'm someone that has purposely stayed away from the flu shot for over 15 years. The last thing I'm going to do is serve as Pfizer and Moderna's guinea pig.
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I took the flu shot ONE time and it’s the only time I actually got the flu. It was so bad I had to go get IV fluids because I had come damn close to shutting/vomiting- myself straight to death.
FCK THE FLU SHOT!!!
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I took the flu shot ONE time and it’s the only time I actually got the flu. It was so bad I had to go get IV fluids because I had come damn close to shutting/vomiting- myself straight to death.
FCK THE FLU SHOT!!!
I agree with you.
It also doesn't help much. If you get the flu, that shot will likely not have much effect.
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dang, check this out
https://www.anthonypatch.com/patreon/AnthonyPatch-ProjectRooftop.pdf (https://www.anthonypatch.com/patreon/AnthonyPatch-ProjectRooftop.pdf)
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I took the flu shot ONE time and it’s the only time I actually got the flu. It was so bad I had to go get IV fluids because I had come damn close to shutting/vomiting- myself straight to death.
FCK THE FLU SHOT!!!
Same here , I took the Flu shot twice and I got the flu both time , I stopped taking it and I didn't get the Flu for the next 7 years ,then I got the swine Flu in 2009 ,after that I never got sick again ,not even a cold .
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Tell me about it.
And tell me about it.
You won't get away with much with Van - from what little experience I had with steroids, when I used what was by ALL means a wimpy cycle [a few of them - as in literally, three in my life], and got to around 193-lb and pretty lean for that size [compared to average people - not competing bodybuilders], Van knew I was using.
He said the reason why is because we have the most highly disproportionate number of steroid receptors in our shoulders/delts [I'm not sure why, and don't recall anyone ever explaining if there is some underlying biological mechanism why that would be the case], and Van said he knew I was using steroids because my shoulders are one of only two areas of my physique where I have decent muscle fiber concentration, and they were out of proportion to my other muscles. No amount of juicing is going to change your genetic structure, and that's probably why I just submitted to my biology, and stayed 170-lb for most of my adult years, which is still around my goal weight.
Also, Dennis Newman was by all means said to be a handsome guy - and oddly, was one of the few who retained his looks even with heavy juice. Meanwhile, the guy could have been 210-lb at 5'10", and had a career in the fitness world, and possibly not have gotten leukemia, depending on that GH/leukemia correlation. In fact - I just recall how that 2003 interview he did with MD ended. He said something like:
"F*ck bodybuilding - I should have been a model!"
No doubt about that - he looked better at lower body weights, IMO, and he could have had such a physique with much less toxicity to his body through juice. I don't know if he is around 240-lb here, but I think he was in that range - yet he still maintained his facial handsomeness. I can't remember which Getbigger said that there comes a point where nature will literally stop us from becoming too attractive - I think it was that nature will literally say "You're getting too much pussy" [or cock, I guess], and stop people from "having it all" so to speak.
F**k me! He's only 22 in that video :o
Your point about shoulders reminds me - his shoulders were always a strong point
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vintagemusclemags.com%2FmagCovers%2Fmd%2Fmd3103.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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mRNA enters the nucleus, and does what?
it replicates into double strand of DNA.
this vaccine will introduce modified, synthetic mRNA... (rearrangement of nucleotides)
which will do what?
enter into the nucleus and replicate into an artificial double strand of DNA, rendering your innate DNA desolate.
u will become a frankenstein, hybrid creature of sorts... which sounds like a bad idea.
Haha ,oh brother we have a scientist on Getbig :o
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F**k me! He's only 22 in that video :o
Your point about shoulders reminds me - his shoulders were always a strong point
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vintagemusclemags.com%2FmagCovers%2Fmd%2Fmd3103.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Dennis was amazing at a very young age - 22/23. I think 1994 was when he got leukemia, which would make him 24 [he was born in 1970].
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LOL @ masks and social distancing [and even "Social Fitnessing" at my gym] doing NOTHING to reduce normal seasonal influenza deaths:
Biggest bullshit lie since Y2K.
Never wear a mask
Never social distance
Never shelter in place
HAHAHAHA, exactly. Bill Gates can't even stop computer viruses on his own software, but expects to stop a real virus? It's clear all that the jagoff wants is [another] recurring revenue model. I wonder how long he thought this one through?
Check out how masks and "social distancing" [and at my gym - "Social Fitnessing", LMAO] did asbolutely nothing to help prevent the spread of the flu this past flu season compared to the 2018-2019 season prior to it:
Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers
Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:
39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths
https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/01/Flu-season-2020
October 1, 2018–April 30, 2019, the flu resulted in:
37.4 million to 42.9 million illnesses
531,000 to 647,000 hospitalizations
36,400 to 61,200 deaths in the United States.
116 pediatric deaths
Also, 17.3 million–20.1 million medical visits.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a3.htm
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Haha ,oh brother we have a scientist on Getbig :o
how would u know?
also, this is where the vast majority of scientists dwell:
searching for answers amongst dead, over compartmentalized wastelands of obfuscation
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Haven't had a flu shot in over 20 years, won't get this abortion of a genetically altered cum cocktail either. The longer this goes on, the more it's obviously about control, how long will we allow this to happen? SoCal is supposed to go on another lockdown tonight at midnight.... ::)
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staff that attended should be charged with negligent homicide! IT'S THE ASYMPTOMATIC FOCKBOYS AND GIRLS!
Seven Washington state nursing home residents with Covid-19 died after staff members attended a 300-person wedding that violated the governor's coronavirus restrictions.
The deaths were at three nursing home facilities in Grant County, health officials said Thursday. They were men in their 70s, 80s, and 90s who had underlying health conditions, according to a press release by the Grant County Health District.
Four additional deaths are pending death certificate reviews.
The health department said it is looking into whether the deaths are linked to a Nov. 7 wedding in Ritzville, about 59 miles southwest of Spokane, but an investigation found that some staff members at the facilities had tested positive after attending the event.
Columbia Crest Center, a nursing home in Moses Lake, Wash. (Google Maps)
Columbia Crest Center, a nursing home in Moses Lake, Wash. (Google Maps)
Officials did not say how many staff members were guests at the wedding and a health department spokesperson did not immediately return a request for comment on Saturday.
"Because staff in these facilities care for entire units, direct contact with associated patients is not known," the agency said.
The health department had previously said that the wedding was linked to 40 cases of coronavirus and outbreaks at a nursing home facility and a school. The more than 300 guests were asked to get tested and to quarantine.
At the time of the ceremony, Gov. Jay Inslee's executive order capped wedding receptions at 30 people, according to the Tri-City Herald.
"Our most vulnerable community members — elderly, immunocompromised, and those with chronic conditions — are especially at risk of complications due to a COVID-19 infection and we must continue to take measures to protect them from this disease. The best way to do that is by staying home as much as possible," the health department urged.
"Your choice to gather with those outside your household could lead to additional cases of COVID-19 and even death. Please protect those you love, by staying home."
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mRNA enters the nucleus, and does what?
it replicates into double strand of DNA.
this vaccine will introduce modified, synthetic mRNA... (rearrangement of nucleotides)
which will do what?
enter into the nucleus and replicate into an artificial double strand of DNA, rendering your innate DNA desolate.
u will become a frankenstein, hybrid creature of sorts... which sounds like a bad idea.
Sounds like a good idea, but for a bad movie...
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I’ll rush down to my local Walgreens as soon as it’s available!!
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New lawsuit that was filed by both a German Medical Doctor & retired British Medical Doctor against the European Medicines Agency arguing about the dangers of pushing forth a poorly-tested vaccine, of the likes has never been used in the past: https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf (https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf)
My favorite part of this lawsuit, which highlights the issue I have been researching closely can be found here (Page 4, section VIII):
"For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. A non-neutralizing antibody is one that can bind to the virus, but for some reason, the antibody fails to neutralize the infectivity of the virus. In some viruses, if a person harbors a non-neutralizing antibody to the virus, a subsequent infection by the virus can cause that person to elicit a more severe reaction to the virus due to the presence of the non-neutralizing antibody. This is not true for all viruses, only particular ones. This is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place. This can cause a hyperinflammatory response, a cytokine storm, and a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body. In addition, new cell types throughout our body are now susceptible to viral infection due to the additional viral entry pathway. There are many studies that demonstrate that ADE is a persistent problem with coronaviruses in general, and in particular, with SARS-related viruses. ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not. Similarly, mice who were immunized with one of four different SARS-CoV vaccines showed histopathological changes in the lungs with eosinophil infiltration after being challenged with SARS-CoV virus."
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One thing people miss
You need to lawyer up and challenge the validity of the test itself
And why you are exempt from both the test and its “ solution “ vaccine
But broke Oregonians, Washingtonians , Californians , New Yorkers , Philadelphians , don’t think this way
The test is 300 or more depending on where or who does it
You think it’s going to turn up negative and ruin the chain of money behind it ?
For those of you who still don’t get that this is all financial
Please start Using your brain if you have one left
I don’t want to throw you down a flight of stairs or off a bridge or whatever the case may be
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New lawsuit that was filed by both a German Medical Doctor & retired British Medical Doctor against the European Medicines Agency arguing about the dangers of pushing forth a poorly-tested vaccine, of the likes has never been used in the past: https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf (https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf)
My favorite part of this lawsuit, which highlights the issue I have been researching closely can be found here (Page 4, section VIII):
"For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. A non-neutralizing antibody is one that can bind to the virus, but for some reason, the antibody fails to neutralize the infectivity of the virus. In some viruses, if a person harbors a non-neutralizing antibody to the virus, a subsequent infection by the virus can cause that person to elicit a more severe reaction to the virus due to the presence of the non-neutralizing antibody. This is not true for all viruses, only particular ones. This is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place. This can cause a hyperinflammatory response, a cytokine storm, and a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body. In addition, new cell types throughout our body are now susceptible to viral infection due to the additional viral entry pathway. There are many studies that demonstrate that ADE is a persistent problem with coronaviruses in general, and in particular, with SARS-related viruses. ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not. Similarly, mice who were immunized with one of four different SARS-CoV vaccines showed histopathological changes in the lungs with eosinophil infiltration after being challenged with SARS-CoV virus."
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My brother's wife is helping me to understand this, but it's going over my head. She doesn't work in medicine, but she is a forensic anthropologist, and understand topics relating to DNA/RNA/mRNA, cell chemistry, and other things related.
I have no problem admitting that I simply don't understand this topic.
But I do understand that in general, we don't use 8-month-old medicines for once-in-a-century [wimpy] viruses. ::) That's not how it works.
What's the standard time for a vaccine to go from the research phase, through the development phase and early testing, all the way to public implementation/use? 10 years? 15+ years?
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My brother's wife is helping me to understand this, but it's going over my head. She doesn't work in medicine, but she is a forensic anthropologist, and understand topics relating to DNA/RNA/mRNA, cell chemistry, and other things related.
I have no problem admitting that I simply don't understand this topic.
But I do understand that in general, we don't use 8-month-old medicines for once-in-a-century [wimpy] viruses. ::) That's not how it works.
What's the standard time for a vaccine to go from the research phase, through the development phase and early testing, all the way to public implementation/use? 10 years? 15+ years?
Hey Matt,
It's not the easiest information to understand. Believe it or not, most doctors don't understand this too well unless they are actual virologists, immunologists or possibly oncologists. I am no doctor. I was pre-med a very long time ago before going into business school, so I did take every possible pre-med science and so I do appreciate medical literature and have a subscription to UpToDate (The go-to for pretty much all doctors in the USA when in clinical practice) + also read PubMed (NIH) studies all the time for fun. That said, I have been reading actual medical literature on the use of an mRNA vaccines (not many available to be frank) and pretty much ALL of the available studies say that while the preliminary data looks to be very promising, we have no actual long term data to support the idea that this method for vaccination is safe.
The most telling of the medical literature that I managed to find was this article (which is a medical literature found within the NIH, in other words legit medical literature): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/)
The excerpt within that piece of literature that is leading me to further investigate the risks behind using an mRNA vaccine is as follows:
"Although these beneficial features of mRNA vaccines provide some hope for the development of the first clinically applicable SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine, recent reports regarding rare cases of moderate or severe reactions for different mRNA vaccines have raised concerns about safety and immunogenicity, including in the primary outcome findings of the phase I trial on mRNA-1273 [20,48]. Therefore, it is important to clearly understand the potential risks of this type of mRNA-based vaccine, which include local and systemic inflammatory responses, the biodistribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression, possible development of autoreactive antibodies and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components [48–50]."
Again, it is my sincere hope that this turns out to be a success. If it does, it could mean that we finally figure out cures for cancers, HIV, autoimmune disorders and many other medical diseases. The flip side is that if this novel science backfires, it could be disastrous.
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New lawsuit that was filed by both a German Medical Doctor & retired British Medical Doctor against the European Medicines Agency arguing about the dangers of pushing forth a poorly-tested vaccine, of the likes has never been used in the past: https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf (https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf)
My favorite part of this lawsuit, which highlights the issue I have been researching closely can be found here (Page 4, section VIII):
"For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. A non-neutralizing antibody is one that can bind to the virus, but for some reason, the antibody fails to neutralize the infectivity of the virus. In some viruses, if a person harbors a non-neutralizing antibody to the virus, a subsequent infection by the virus can cause that person to elicit a more severe reaction to the virus due to the presence of the non-neutralizing antibody. This is not true for all viruses, only particular ones. This is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place. This can cause a hyperinflammatory response, a cytokine storm, and a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body. In addition, new cell types throughout our body are now susceptible to viral infection due to the additional viral entry pathway. There are many studies that demonstrate that ADE is a persistent problem with coronaviruses in general, and in particular, with SARS-related viruses. ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not. Similarly, mice who were immunized with one of four different SARS-CoV vaccines showed histopathological changes in the lungs with eosinophil infiltration after being challenged with SARS-CoV virus."
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Those particular vaccine studies go back to sars-cov-1 and not for the current sars-cov-2 vaccines and they were done with inactivated version of virus, not mRNA.
Also ADE in cases like dengue virus infections happen through natural exposure to the virus, not because of a vaccine. The main reason for this is because there are several genetically different lineages of the virus, so a second infection by a different lineage can result in a worse outcome (ADE)
With sar-cov-2 there have been several cases of reinfection. The vast majority of times it's much milder or asymptomatic second time around. The same thing has been reported in the vaccine studies too. Any post vaccine infections have been mild or symptomatic. Additionally those infected by sars-cov-1 have been immune to sars-cov-2. It looks unlikely that ADE will be an issue with sars-cov-2 so generally I'm positive about it, but more information on all this would definitely still be welcomed.
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My brother's wife is helping me to understand this, but it's going over my head. She doesn't work in medicine, but she is a forensic anthropologist, and understand topics relating to DNA/RNA/mRNA, cell chemistry, and other things related.
I have no problem admitting that I simply don't understand this topic.
But I do understand that in general, we don't use 8-month-old medicines for once-in-a-century [wimpy] viruses. ::) That's not how it works.
What's the standard time for a vaccine to go from the research phase, through the development phase and early testing, all the way to public implementation/use? 10 years? 15+ years?
Your not understanding because your playing their game which is meant to Your not understanding because your playing their game which is meant to confuse
You waste energy trying to “ understand “
What if the vaccine was 5 years old ?
Would you steer your thinking in a different manner ?
A much much different manner right ?
This imply it’s been pla$$ed right ?
Try that
You waste energy trying to “ understand “
What if the vaccine was 5 years old ?
Would you steer your thinking in a different manner ?
A much much different manner right ?
This imply it’s been pla$$ed right ?
Try that out
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cart before the horse, gentlemen
first, understand the virus.
again:
this is the rona (a single strand of 'designer' covid19 RNA):
(https://greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Multiple-sequence-alignment-between-spike-proteins-of-2019-nCoV-and-SARS-1024x811.jpg)
those four short (incomplete) sequences of hiv 1 genetic code (black boxes) (verified) inserted within the total RNA genomic sequence of covid19... are a problem.
hiv is a retrovirus... with the ability to enter into the nucleus and change the host cell DNA.
covid is the delivery system by which the hiv snippets gain access into the cell, once inside the cytoplasm (both covid and hiv), the hiv genetic material becomes the way (thru nuclear pore complex) by which the entire genomic sequence of covid is transferred into the nucleus... binding to and permanently changing the host DNA.
thats why hiv was crispred into the rona – gain of function.
its the sequence of covid, assisted into the nucleus by hiv.. that then 'goes viral'.. exporting new DNA.. expressed as a single strand of RNA - from cell to cell – until every last cell in the body is transformed.
making designer rona... in effect a retrovirus – which increases transmissibility (increasing morbidity (not mortality))
also... this 'new DNA'... is in effect artificially procured 'complementary DNA' (cDNA)... which is - patentable.
how did hiv find its way into the rona?
not by accident:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag
We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.
more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)
'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier
not citing shlubs, here.
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cart before the horse, gentlemen
first, understand the virus.
again:
i'm not citing shlubs, here.
Those links don't work.
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Those links don't work.
can u copy/paste directly into address bar? (also, might wanna use a proxy)
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can u copy/paste directly into address bar? (also, might wanna use a proxy)
Lol! What are you scared of?
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Lol! What are you scared of?
Shizzo... God wants gamers.. look into it.
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Shizzo... God wants gamers.. look into it.
Do you have a backstory? From what info that I have read, you are a weird dude. Even by Getbig standards....
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Do you have a backstory?
backstory?
lol... I am nothing, dude – I just want to find the truth in all of this.
I want eyeballs on the truth... nothing more.
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1) it's nothing like that, yes there are lots hippies but there's also major tech bros, lots of 20 year olds looking to party and do rec drug, social media influencers looking to be seen, art connoisseurs. It's a microcosm of society.
I was born in England, I've lived in Israel(where i also have citizenship), south Africa, new Zealand and now the states, i've visited every country in western Europe and south America and loads in between. Don't lump me in with trash Americans who barely ever leave the tiny town they're born in.
no one steals your shit, you prob camped with rubbish people, more so if something of yours get stolen there's plenty of folks gifting anything you can possibly want
and yeah ibiza is cool when you're 24
Being a world traveler is nice, but not at all uncommon these days....I've done a bit of it myself. That being said, barely ever traveling outside the town a person was born in hardly makes a them trash. Calling people you don't know trash is pretty trashy though. No doubt they would be happy to not to be lumped in with you.
Residue is a small amount of something that remains after the main part has gone or been taken or used or as some might put it, leftover trash.
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Don't get flu vaccine, won't be getting this one.
How can any scientist know with this rushed vaccine that say 10 years down the line it doesn't cause other health issues. They've had no time to monitor subjects whatsoever
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Will be taking it as soon as I'm eligible.
I'll keep you posted if I need to join the X-Men!
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Will be taking it as soon as I'm eligible.
I'll keep you posted if I need to join the X-Men!
Why? Why would you willingly accept a shot that will give you a "mild" case of Covid?
There are many people (including myself) that have never taken the flu vaccine. Guess what, I never got the flu either. Same thing with dentists. It's funny how everyone needs a root canal. I brush my teeth. My grill is fine.
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I will not take it. When there is a race to see who makes a vaccine first, for meere profit, TESTING takes a back seat.
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Will be taking it as soon as I'm eligible.
I'll keep you posted if I need to join the X-Men!
Same here.
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I’m not interested to take a vaccine for such an insanely weak-ass flu bug.
This whole deal has entered into the realm of an episode of The Twilight Zone.
I’ve been working full-time throughout this casedemic, going to the gym, etc., and I STILL don’t know one person who’s even been ill, never mind croaked.
In my province, roughly 0.00015 percent of the population has died from COVID. And of those who have, the overwhelming majority were several years older than the average age of morality, with co-morbidities, and further, were living in seniors centres.
This serious situation isn’t.
Why the ever-living fuck would I allow some fast-to-market substance into my body when the threat is SO relatively non-existent?
Again, this is Twilight Zone horseshit.