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One of the few Democrats who gets it. Covid is here to stay, but the emergency is over. People have learned how to live with this virus.
‘The Emergency Is Over’: Democratic Gov. Jared Polis Explains Why He Won’t Bring Back Mask Mandates
DYLAN HOUSMAN
HEALTHCARE REPORTER
December 10, 2021
Democratic Colorado Gov. Jared Polis said Friday he won’t bring mask mandates back to his state because the COVID-19 “emergency is over.”
The governor said he prefers encouraging vaccination to mandating masks in an interview with Colorado Matters. He also said it’s not the job of public health officials to tell Coloradans to wear masks, even if it may be a good idea.
“The emergency is over. You know, public health [officials] don’t get to tell people what to wear; that’s just not their job,” Polis said. “Public health [officials] would say to always wear a mask because it decreases flu and decreases [other airborne illnesses]. But that’s not something that you require; you don’t tell people what to wear.”
Colorado is seeing an uptick in COVID-19 deaths in recent weeks, although hospitalizations and cases are slightly declining, according to data from The New York Times. Polis pointed out that the vast majority of people who are hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated, and people have had plenty of time by now to decide if they want to get the shots or not.
“Everybody had more than enough opportunity to get vaccinated. Hopefully it’s been at your pharmacy, your grocery store, a bus near you, [or at] big events. At this point, if you haven’t been vaccinated, it’s really your own darn fault,” Polis said. “Frankly, people who want to be protected [have gotten vaccinated]. Those who get sick, it’s almost entirely their own darn fault.” (RELATED: All Known Cases Of Omicron Have Been Asymptomatic Or Mild, European CDC Says)
“We’re talking, as you indicated, a year since the vaccines [became available]; everybody has had the chance to get vaccinated. And at this point, I think it’s almost like they made a deliberate decision not to get vaccinated,” he continued. “I still encourage everybody who hasn’t been vaccinated to get protected. And for those who are, make sure to get that booster after six months. The data shows it’s important and very likely even more so with this omicron variant.”
https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/10/jared-polis-mask-mandate-colorado-covid-19-coronavirus/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&tpcc%3D=newsletter&pnespid=sbVgBDZEargdwefQtzuqGIDSuU_1XZp1J__ykOxm9xZmt.uz4IKV7T4zUxAq2gADIwU5W7kF5w
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Wow a dem with balls.
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Wow a dem with balls.
I think you’ll see this over the coming years, more people becoming centrist, just a little left or right, and the crazies on the extreme will be voted out.
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I think you’ll see this over the coming years, more people becoming centrist, just a little left or right, and the crazies on the extreme will be voted out.
I hope it doesn't take that long.
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The pos in my state just went back to this. So fng insane
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The pos in my state just went back to this. So fng insane
What state?
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What state?
Guess. Tied for the worst two in the country
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Guess. Tied for the worst two in the country
NY or CA
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NY or CA
Yup
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I've decided I am sick....sick of the whole COVID thing. Whatever happens, happens. We will live or we will die. I'm not going to worry about it any more.
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It's only just begun.
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"Business owners furious over Gov. Hochul’s new mask-or-vax mandate"
https://nypost.com/2021/12/11/business-owners-furious-at-hochuls-mask-or-vaccine-mandate/
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I've decided I am sick....sick of the whole COVID thing. Whatever happens, happens. We will live or we will die. I'm not going to worry about it any more.
This has been the stance of most normal people since it was force fed to us by the media.
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I've decided I am sick....sick of the whole COVID thing. Whatever happens, happens. We will live or we will die. I'm not going to worry about it any more.
Welcome to the correct side. I decided this about 20 months ago.
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I've decided I am sick....sick of the whole COVID thing. Whatever happens, happens. We will live or we will die. I'm not going to worry about it any more.
Welcome to our side.
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Missouri to end COVID-19 state of emergency, citing effectiveness of vaccine
Gov. Mike Parson says, 'We all now know how to best fight and prevent serious illness from this virus'
By Maria Lencki | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/missouri-ends-covid-19-state-of-emergency
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New Jersey will eliminate school mask mandate for children and staff
Murphy is slated to make the announcement Monday
By Emma Colton | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-phil-murphy-mask-mandate-end-school-children-staff
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New Jersey will eliminate school mask mandate for children and staff
Murphy is slated to make the announcement Monday
By Emma Colton | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-phil-murphy-mask-mandate-end-school-children-staff
The Branch Covidians are going nuts over this!
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/nyregion/nj-school-mask-mandate-murphy.html#commentsContainer
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girl-s are dropping mandates to give the peasants some crumbs for re-election purposes
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I got an estimate for some hardwood flooring repairs today. The fellow doing the estimate was holding one of those blue paper masks in his hand as he stood about 6' from the front door. I told him that everyone in the house was fully vaccinated so wearing a mask was his choice. He put it in his pocket. While he was doing the estimate, my son-in-law walked by wearing a black paper mask. To each his own. I decided that my son-in-law is a germaphobe.
I wear a mask when I go to the store. Not to protect myself from COVID, but because in Oregon they are still required. It is less hassle to put the damn mask on than it is to argue with people about the need for it. As soon as I am out the door, the mask comes off.
Oregon's Governor Brown has not announced a timeline or other metrics for ending the mask mandate. Some knowledgeable folks disagree with this approach, while others concur.
This just in, Oregon will lift mask mandate by March 31, schools included.
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I told him that everyone in the house was fully vaccinated so wearing a mask was his choice.
Given that the vaccine does not prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, what does your vaccination status have to do with him wearing a mask?
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4 states announce they're dropping mask mandates for schools
Updated February 7, 2022
JOE HERNANDEZ
Oregon is the latest state to set plans to lift its statewide mask mandate for schools, following earlier announcements Monday from New Jersey, Connecticut and Delaware.
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https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078886017/new-jersey-and-delaware-set-timelines-to-end-mask-mandates-for-schools
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While he was doing the estimate, my son-in-law walked by wearing a black paper mask. To each his own. I decided that my son-in-law is a germaphobe.
sounds like a mentally ill-retard
walking around the house in a mask ::)
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:(
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4 states announce they're dropping mask mandates for schools
Updated February 7, 2022
JOE HERNANDEZ
Oregon is the latest state to set plans to lift its statewide mask mandate for schools, following earlier announcements Monday from New Jersey, Connecticut and Delaware.
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https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078886017/new-jersey-and-delaware-set-timelines-to-end-mask-mandates-for-schools
It is about time since we know the mask don't do shit for the kids.
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It is about time since we know the mask don't do shit for the kids.
Or adults
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/08/politics/democratic-governors-school-masking-biden-white-house/index.html
They are scared.
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Stacey Abrams wades into school mask debate after maskless photo with children
NBC News / Comcast ^ | February 8, 2022 | By Alex Seitz-Wald
Posted on 2/8/2022, 10:32:36 AM by
WASHINGTON — In normal times, a politician could hardly do something less controversial than pose for a photo with kids. But these are not normal times.
Stacey Abrams, the Georgia Democrat making her second run for governor, faced intense blowback Monday after sharing — and then quickly deleting — a photo of her smiling unmasked face surrounded by masked elementary school children.
Abrams visited a Decatur elementary school to promote reading and Black History Month. But not since George W. Bush continued reading "The Pet Goat" to Florida students on Sept. 11, 2001, has such a benign event turned into such a political blunder.
Abrams, who supports school mask mandates, was immediately accused of hypocritically violating the school's mask policy and pilloried by Republican politicians and conservative media outlets.
Democrats say the controversy is much ado about nothing, noting that Abrams wore a mask to the school and removed it only for the photo and a speech.
But the photo touched a nerve, Republicans say, because it displays the out-of-touch piety that they say leads liberals to impose onerous societal norms without feeling obligated to always follow them themselves.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
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pure comedy for retards ::)
The White House, according to new CNN reporting, is "thinking about" a plan for the post-pandemic emergency period. But on Monday, the Biden administration was unwilling to endorse an easing of school masking, one of its key weapons against Covid-19.
ooooooooooohhh a key weapon!!!!!!!!!!!! oooooooooohhhh ::)
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pure comedy for retards ::)
The White House, according to new CNN reporting, is "thinking about" a plan for the post-pandemic emergency period. But on Monday, the Biden administration was unwilling to endorse an easing of school masking, one of its key weapons against Covid-19.
ooooooooooohhh a key weapon!!!!!!!!!!!! oooooooooohhhh ::)
F these people!!!
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Or adults
Trust me I know.
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Stacey Abrams wades into school mask debate after maskless photo with children
NBC News / Comcast ^ | February 8, 2022 | By Alex Seitz-Wald
Posted on 2/8/2022, 10:32:36 AM by
WASHINGTON — In normal times, a politician could hardly do something less controversial than pose for a photo with kids. But these are not normal times.
Stacey Abrams, the Georgia Democrat making her second run for governor, faced intense blowback Monday after sharing — and then quickly deleting — a photo of her smiling unmasked face surrounded by masked elementary school children.
Abrams visited a Decatur elementary school to promote reading and Black History Month. But not since George W. Bush continued reading "The Pet Goat" to Florida students on Sept. 11, 2001, has such a benign event turned into such a political blunder.
Abrams, who supports school mask mandates, was immediately accused of hypocritically violating the school's mask policy and pilloried by Republican politicians and conservative media outlets.
Democrats say the controversy is much ado about nothing, noting that Abrams wore a mask to the school and removed it only for the photo and a speech.
But the photo touched a nerve, Republicans say, because it displays the out-of-touch piety that they say leads liberals to impose onerous societal norms without feeling obligated to always follow them themselves.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
If anyone should have been wearing a mask it should have been that fat, jabba the hut looking broad with the high blood pressure and diabetes.
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If anyone should have been wearing a mask it should have been that fat, jabba the hut looking broad with the high blood pressure and diabetes.
Exactly. We know it was worse on Blacks.
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:D
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Sisolak ends Nevada mask mandate, effective immediately
COVID case numbers continue decline as Nevada rescinds mask mandate
Reactions pour in on Nevada’s mask mandate ending
Nevada senators join effort to suspend gasoline tax as prices rise
Mask mandate not being enforced in Southern Nevada
By Mary Hynes Las Vegas Review-Journal
February 10, 2022
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sisolak-ends-nevada-mask-mandate-effective-immediately-2527378/
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Given that the vaccine does not prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, what does your vaccination status have to do with him wearing a mask?
Given that the vaccine does not prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, what does your vaccination status have to do with him wearing a mask?
That is their decision. Every service person who has worked here since the pandemic took hold, the roofers, the hardwood floor installer, the gardeners, the furniture delivery/setup people, etc. when given the choice chose to dispense with wearing a mask. I assume it is because wearing a mask while doing physical labor is very uncomfortable.
Obviously, a household of vaccinated people is no guarantee we cannot gift the virus to someone or they us. It is also not like we get intimate with everyone who comes here to work. Most people stand further away from one another these days. Whether it is 6' or not, who knows? The gardeners have never worn masks. I’m fine with that.
It is not like I am the mask or vaccine police. This is my home; I am not required to mandate mask wearing like the grocery store is. If I choose to give folks that option, it is my business and theirs how it works out.
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That is their decision. Every service person who has worked here since the pandemic took hold, the roofers, the hardwood floor installer, the gardeners, the furniture delivery/setup people, etc. when given the choice chose to dispense with wearing a mask. I assume it is because wearing a mask while doing physical labor is very uncomfortable.
Obviously, a household of vaccinated people is no guarantee we cannot gift the virus to someone or they us. It is also not like we get intimate with everyone who comes here to work. Most people stand further away from one another these days. Whether it is 6' or not, who knows? The gardeners have never worn masks. I’m fine with that.
It is not like I am the mask or vaccine police. This is my home; I am not required to mandate mask wearing like the grocery store is. If I choose to give folks that option, it is my business and theirs how it works out.
I'm not questioning whether you can choose to wear or mask or require someone to wear one, etc. I'm asking why whether or not you are vaccinated makes a difference whether anyone else wears a mask?
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I'm not questioning whether you can choose to wear or mask or require someone to wear one, etc. I'm asking why whether or not you are vaccinated makes a difference whether anyone else wears a mask?
And I am saying that I tell them this as a courtesy in the event they feel obligated to wear one while working. No doubt most reputable businesses require their reps and workers to show up wearing a mask. I also said that it likely makes no difference, therefore it is for them to decide how they wish to proceed.
It doesn't matter whether it is a valid thing to tell them or not. What matters is without exception they've chosen to dispense with mask wearing. If I were a doctor or a virologists, I might be liable for giving them bad information, they got COVID and could prove it was because I gave them permission to go sans mask if they so choose.
Why do you have the habit of creating arguments when there is nothing to argue about?
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And I am saying that I tell them this as a courtesy in the event they feel obligated to wear one while working. No doubt most reputable businesses require their reps and workers to show up wearing a mask. I also said that it likely makes no difference, therefore it is for them to decide how they wish to proceed.
It doesn't matter whether it is a valid thing to tell them or not. What matters is without exception they've chosen to dispense with mask wearing. If I were a doctor or a virologists, I might be liable for giving them bad information, they got COVID and could prove it was because I gave them permission to go sans mask if they so choose.
Why do you have the habit of creating arguments when there is nothing to argue about?
I'm not arguing with you about anything. I'm just asking a question. Lots of people get defensive and feel attacked when people ask them questions.
You also don't appear to understand how illogical your comments are. If getting the vaccine does not stop you from spreading the virus, then it doesn't matter whether someone who comes into your home is wearing a mask or not. You can still pass the virus to them. In fact, you're probably more likely to do so when you're vaccinated, because if you do have the virus while vaccinated then you are likely to be asymptomatic.
But I was trying to understand what your thinking was. Silly me. lol
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I'm not arguing with you about anything. I'm just asking a question. Lots of people get defensive and feel attacked when people ask them questions.
You also don't appear to understand how illogical your comments are. If getting the vaccine does not stop you from spreading the virus, then it doesn't matter whether someone who comes into your home is wearing a mask or not. You can still pass the virus to them. In fact, you're probably more likely to do so when you're vaccinated, because if you do have the virus while vaccinated then you are likely to be asymptomatic.
But I was trying to understand what your thinking was. Silly me. lol
This goes back to my original response which was that it is their decision not only whether to take the mask off or not but to decide if my comments were stupid and illogical. In my experience, my saying this seems to give them permission to make that choice...and without exception they chose to remove their masks.
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This goes back to my original response which was that it is their decision not only whether to take the mask off or not but to decide if my comments were stupid and illogical. In my experience, my saying this seems to give them permission to make that choice...and without exception they chose to remove their masks.
If you are saying that you made those comments to make the other person feel comfortable, knowing that your comments were illogical, then I can understand that. I did this the other day when I asked someone I was meeting with whether they would feel more comfortable if I wore my (completely useless cloth mask), knowing that doing so would do nothing to stop me from unknowingly spreading the virus to this person, but would make them feel better.
Not sure if that was your approach, which is why I was asking whether you actually understood that your comments were illogical.
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If you are saying that you made those comments to make the other person feel comfortable, knowing that your comments were illogical, then I can understand that. I did this the other day when I asked someone I was meeting with whether they would feel more comfortable if I wore my (completely useless cloth mask), knowing that doing so would do nothing to stop me from unknowingly spreading the virus to this person, but would make them feel better.
Not sure if that was your approach, which is why I was asking whether you actually understood that your comments were illogical.
By George, I think you finally got it! ;D That is exactly what I was doing. Most of these guys are wearing a mask because their employer requires it, not because the want to.
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Wow a dem with balls.
More than likely just a Dem hoping to keep his seat. If he is re-elected, the "science" would then dictate reinstating mandates "for the children."
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More than likely just a Dem hoping to keep his seat. If he is re-elected, the "science" would then dictate reinstating mandates "for the children."
Voters aren't smart enough to foresee this which is why they have to be convinced every 2 years not to vote for democrats. Short memories I guess.
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Voters aren't smart enough to foresee this which is why they have to be convinced every 2 years not to vote for democrats. Short memories I guess.
You are giving some people too much credit.
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BREAKING: DC to end COVID restrictions
DC Health reported that while the vaccine mandate would be lifted on February 15, mask mandates would begin to be dialed back on
Libby Emmons
Brooklyn, NY
February 14, 2022
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-dc-to-end-covid-restrictions%20?utm_campaign=64487
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CDC's Unchanged Mask Policy Blasted as a 'Total Clown Show'
Townhall.com ^ | 16 February A.D. 2022 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 2/16/2022, 3:28:37 PM by lightman
Despite a number of countries around the world and U.S. states dropping Wuhan coronavirus restrictions, including vaccination and masking requirements, Centers for Disease Control Director Rochelle Walensky said Wednesday the agency is not changing current mask guidelines at this time.
"Many of these state-based policies have come out in phased approaches that they are talking about, you know, something that might happen in a week or two. Masks that might come off in a week or two at the end of February, early March. And so of course, our metrics are going to examine," Walensky said during a briefing with reporters. "As I previously said, issues related to cases, certainly issues related to severity of disease and hospital capacity. And we anticipate that many of these will intersect in terms of timing."
Walensky's remarks are being blasted as unscientific, especially for children.
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New Mexico ending its mask mandate, effective immediately
Feb 18, 2022
https://www.koat.com/article/governor-new-mexico-ending-its-mask-mandate-effective-immediately/39125036#
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Switzerland announces it will roll back almost all coronavirus restrictions
The trend of new cases is falling in the country
By Andrew Mark Miller | Fox News
Published February 17, 2022
https://www.foxnews.com/world/switzerland-announces-roll-back-almost-all-coronavirus-restrictions
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In this shot looking down at the crowd, I could not spot anyone who was wearing a mask. How weird.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/14/11/54166601-10509281-Rita_Ora_posted_this_picture_on_Instagram_of_her_with_Taika_Wait-a-32_1644837859139.jpg)
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Finally someone wearing a mask.... supposedly it is Leonardo DiCaprio. His buddy Tobey Maguire was sans mask like most of the crowd.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/14/11/54167265-10509281-Lifelong_friends_Leonardo_DiCaprio_47_and_Tobey_Maguire_46_ended-a-35_1644838284627.jpg)
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Brits wear masks at Superbowl
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/14/11/54157441-10509281-The_game_had_royalty_in_attendance_as_Prince_Harry_was_spotted_i-a-5_1644836742956.jpg)
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Brits wear masks at Superbowl
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/14/11/54157441-10509281-The_game_had_royalty_in_attendance_as_Prince_Harry_was_spotted_i-a-5_1644836742956.jpg)
braindead fukkers ::)
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In this shot looking down at the crowd, I could not spot anyone who was wearing a mask. How weird.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/14/11/54166601-10509281-Rita_Ora_posted_this_picture_on_Instagram_of_her_with_Taika_Wait-a-32_1644837859139.jpg)
What's weird about it? There have been stadiums with 80 to 100,000 fans in stadiums with no masks for over a year.
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Democrats' internal polling shows swing voters believe party went 'too far' on COVID
SF Gate ^ | 2/17/2022 | By Eric Ting
Posted on 2/18/2022, 1:11:19 PM by NohSpinZone
The poll found that that 57% of voters in competitive congressional districts agree with the statement, "Democrats in Congress have taken things too far in their pandemic response," and 66% of self-defined "swing" voters in competitive districts agree with that statement. White and Hispanic voters in competitive districts were equally as likely to agree (59%), while Black voters (42%) and Asian voters (46%) disagreed with the statement. The poll also did not define what "taken things too far" means.
The DCCC found that critiques of COVID-19 restrictions were slightly less potent than other issues. In swing districts, 64% of voters agreed with the statement that "Democrats in Congress support defunding the police and taking more cops off of the street." The internal poll found that 80% of self-defined swing voters in competitive districts agreed with the same statement. Politico previously reported on the DCCC warning about the effectiveness of what they refer to as conservative "culture war attacks."
Sixty-two percent of voters in contested districts agreed with the statement, "Democrats in Congress have created a border crisis that allows illegal immigrants to enter the country without repercussions and grants them tax-payer funded benefits once here." Seventy-eight percent of swing voters in those districts agreed.
Sixty-one percent of swing district voters agreed with the statements, "Democrats in Congress are spending money out of control," and, "Democrats are teaching kids as young as five Critical Race Theory, which teaches that America is a racist country and that white people are racist." And 59% agreed with the statement, "Democrats are too focused on pursuing an agenda that divides us and judging those who don't see things their way."
The slide deck provides a snapshot into some of Democrats' strategies as their outlook for the 2022 midterms grows increasingly grim.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
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Democrats' internal polling shows swing voters believe party went 'too far' on COVID
SF Gate ^ | 2/17/2022 | By Eric Ting
Posted on 2/18/2022, 1:11:19 PM by NohSpinZone
The poll found that that 57% of voters in competitive congressional districts agree with the statement, "Democrats in Congress have taken things too far in their pandemic response," and 66% of self-defined "swing" voters in competitive districts agree with that statement. White and Hispanic voters in competitive districts were equally as likely to agree (59%), while Black voters (42%) and Asian voters (46%) disagreed with the statement. The poll also did not define what "taken things too far" means.
The DCCC found that critiques of COVID-19 restrictions were slightly less potent than other issues. In swing districts, 64% of voters agreed with the statement that "Democrats in Congress support defunding the police and taking more cops off of the street." The internal poll found that 80% of self-defined swing voters in competitive districts agreed with the same statement. Politico previously reported on the DCCC warning about the effectiveness of what they refer to as conservative "culture war attacks."
Sixty-two percent of voters in contested districts agreed with the statement, "Democrats in Congress have created a border crisis that allows illegal immigrants to enter the country without repercussions and grants them tax-payer funded benefits once here." Seventy-eight percent of swing voters in those districts agreed.
Sixty-one percent of swing district voters agreed with the statements, "Democrats in Congress are spending money out of control," and, "Democrats are teaching kids as young as five Critical Race Theory, which teaches that America is a racist country and that white people are racist." And 59% agreed with the statement, "Democrats are too focused on pursuing an agenda that divides us and judging those who don't see things their way."
The slide deck provides a snapshot into some of Democrats' strategies as their outlook for the 2022 midterms grows increasingly grim.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
These people are sick. They have used this pandemic as a political tool since January 2020. Now they are having trouble reigning in the mass hysteria they created. And they will still raise their hands in victory claiming whatever they did (and didn't do) is the reason why we have learned to live with covid.
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What's weird about it? There have been stadiums with 80 to 100,000 fans in stadiums with no masks for over a year.
What is weird is that right leaning media is making a big deal about the celebrities sitting in their box seats without masks as if it were something unusual at this event. All of the photos I posted came from this Daily Mail article: "Hollywood Super Bowl mask hypocrisy: Outrage after A-list stars such as Ben Affleck and JLo flout California's indoor mandate while kids in the Golden State still have to wear them to school today"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10509281/Kendall-Jenner-Hailey-Justin-Bieber-lead-celebrities-Super-Bowl-Inglewood.html
Obviously it was not only A-list stars flouting California's indoor mask mandate, it appears it was pretty much every person who attended that event. Holding celebrities to a higher standard than the rest of the population is ridiculous.
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What is weird is that right leaning media is making a big deal about the celebrities sitting in their box seats without masks as if it were something unusual at this event. All of the photos I posted came from this Daily Mail article: "Hollywood Super Bowl mask hypocrisy: Outrage after A-list stars such as Ben Affleck and JLo flout California's indoor mandate while kids in the Golden State still have to wear them to school today"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10509281/Kendall-Jenner-Hailey-Justin-Bieber-lead-celebrities-Super-Bowl-Inglewood.html
Obviously it was not only A-list stars flouting California's indoor mask mandate, it appears it was pretty much every person who attended that event. Holding celebrities to a higher standard than the rest of the population is ridiculous.
The issue is hypocrisy. The people who have been virtue signaling and pushing mask mandates don't wear masks themselves. So it's not about holding people to higher standards. It's about holding them to their own standards. Check out this thread for numerous examples: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=543392.400
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These people are sick. They have used this pandemic as a political tool since January 2020. Now they are having trouble reigning in the mass hysteria they created. And they will still raise their hands in victory claiming whatever they did (and didn't do) is the reason why we have learned to live with covid.
We have a bunch of branch covidians where I live like straw and oak. They are clinically insane and deranged.
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New Mexico ending its mask mandate, effective immediately
Feb 18, 2022
https://www.koat.com/article/governor-new-mexico-ending-its-mask-mandate-effective-immediately/39125036#
You wouldn't notice here in Santa Fe.
Full blown masks everywhere today, even outside.
Hopefully people come to their senses and trust the science. ;D
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You wouldn't notice here in Santa Fe.
Full blown masks everywhere today, even outside.
Hopefully people come to their senses and trust the science. ;D
Here too. Hawaii will be the last state in the country to end mandates. Countless people are outside, alone, wearing masks. They even make little kids wear masks during recess.
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US reaches 73% immunity to omicron variant
by Heather Hamilton, Social Media Reporter | February 18, 2022
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-reaches-73-immunity-to-omicron-variant
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Here too. Hawaii will be the last state in the country to end mandates. Countless people are outside, alone, wearing masks. They even make little kids wear masks during recess.
Same here in NYC. It’s insane.
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Same here in NYC. It’s insane.
What they are doing to kids is child abuse. We have elementary school kids who haven't seen their peers/friends faces for two years.
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Same here in NYC. It’s insane.
Insanity is when someone thinks everyone but them is insane.
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Insanity is when someone thinks everyone but them is insane.
Insanity is wearing a cloth mask outside alone because you are concerned someone might walk by you and infect you with a deadly virus, when there is zero science to support that concern. Or forcing a 2 year old to wear a mask. Or making people wear masks to enter a restaurant, and while walking to their table, but allowing them to remove it as soon as they sit down. Or telling people on planes to wear their cloth masks in between bites and sips.
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The douchenozzle liberal ruining CA has unleashed "S.M.A.R.T.E.R."....I don't even know what it is and I already hate it.
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The douchenozzle liberal ruining CA has unleashed "S.M.A.R.T.E.R."....I don't even know what it is and I already hate it.
The governor wants to keep some hooks into us for after his 2-year-old state of emergency ends. Recall that two years ago he predicted that there would be 25 million C-19 cases within 8 weeks. We’ve had <9 million reported cases in two years.
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Maui County to drop its vaccine-or-test mandate for patrons of eateries, bars
By HNN Staff
Published: Feb. 18, 2022
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Maui County is eliminating its vaccine-or-test requirements for patrons of restaurants, bars and gyms.
The rule will be lifted starting Monday.
Blangiardi: Safe Access Oahu program for eateries, gyms will likely be dropped in March
Mayor Mike Victorino says it’s safe to make the change because of the rapid decline in cases. The program requires patrons of certain businesses to show proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test.
It’s still up to Gov. David Ige to lift the statewide indoor mask mandate.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/19/maui-county-drop-its-vaccine-or-test-mandate-eateries-bars/
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Insanity is when someone thinks everyone but them is insane.
No. Did shits who wear masks outside are insane. There is zero science or reasons to do this behavior.
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Insanity is when someone thinks everyone but them is insane.
insane is sucking c0ck at glory-holes
double-insane with wife on death bed
you dumb vile kunt
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insane is sucking c0ck at glory-holes
double-insane with wife on death bed
you dumb vile kunt
Beat me to it ...
You and "The Scott" are both poets as far as I'm concerned.
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No. Did shits who wear masks outside are insane. There is zero science or reasons to do this behavior.
I just read that they are allowing people to get a fourth shot. What has to go through someone's mind when they think that the first 3 shots didn't protect shit but the fourth one....that's the one!! ;D
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I just read that they are allowing people to get a fourth shot. What has to go through someone's mind when they think that the first 3 shots didn't protect shit but the fourth one....that's the one!! ;D
The deadly Covid is very complicated. I'm planning on getting my 11th booster shot for polio soon, aren't you?
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Covid infections plummet 90% from U.S. pandemic high, states lift mask mandates
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 22 2022
Spencer Kimball
@SPENCEKIMBALL
Nate Rattner
@NATERATTNER
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/covid-infections-plummet-90percent-from-us-pandemic-high-states-lift-mask-mandates.html
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How right were we?
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How right were we?
Right Right
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Right Right
It is just sad that 35% of people just can't see through the BS.
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insane is sucking c0ck at glory-holes
double-insane with wife on death bed
you dumb vile kunt
Insanity is when someone (you) has nothing at all to say unless it involves glory holes and cocks.
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I just read that they are allowing people to get a fourth shot. What has to go through someone's mind when they think that the first 3 shots didn't protect shit but the fourth one....that's the one!! ;D
last I read you had to be old and have compromised health to be eligible. Not that this is a big deal because I know of people who have lied about their health so they could get the original booster sooner.
Fortunately, at this point having just had COVID, I should have natural immunity for at least 3 months. When you get to be my age you count your birthdays monthly. I am 831 months old. Can hardly wait until the time comes when I can count them by weeks. LOL!
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Governor Kathy Hochul announces statewide school mask mandate will be lifted Wednesday
Sunday, February 27, 2022
https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-school-new-york-state-kathy-hochul/11605830/
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Senate Republicans pass bill to end COVID National Emergency and not a single Democrat voted for it
MAR. 3, 2022 BY THE RIGHT SCOOP
https://therightscoop.com/senate-republicans-pass-bill-to-end-covid-national-emergency-and-not-a-single-democrat-voted-for-it/
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Senate Republicans pass bill to end COVID National Emergency and not a single Democrat voted for it
MAR. 3, 2022 BY THE RIGHT SCOOP
https://therightscoop.com/senate-republicans-pass-bill-to-end-covid-national-emergency-and-not-a-single-democrat-voted-for-it/
They will not give up their power so easily.
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Hawaii Announces End to Indoor Mask Mandate, the Last State to Do So
Landon MionLandon Mion| @landon_mion|Posted: Mar 08, 2022
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/landonmion/2022/03/08/hawaii-announces-end-to-indoor-mask-mandate-the-last-state-to-do-so-n2604307
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"Meanwhile, the state Department of Education today announced mask requirements for Hawaii’s public schools will become optional at all campuses and DOE facilities outdoors beginning Wednesday."
VIDEO: Gov. David Ige says state indoor mask mandate to end March 25
By Star-Advertiser Staff
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2022/03/08/breaking-news/upcoming-livestream-gov-david-ige-and-health-department-officials-to-discuss-hawaiis-mask-mandate-tune-in-at-1-p-m/
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BREAKING: NYC suspends school mask mandate and vaccine passport
Adams said in his announcement that businesses will be allowed to choose whether they keep proof of vaccination or not.
Mar 4, 2022
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-nyc-suspends-school-mask-mandate-and-vaccine-passport?utm_campaign=64487
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Just in time for the surging cases in China. Hopefully it’s not groundhogs day all over again.
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Is it finally safe to take my mask off at bed time?
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Just in time for the surging cases in China. Hopefully it’s not groundhogs day all over again.
But no one is dying from it China. ::)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
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Is it finally safe to take my mask off at bed time?
Yeah, but keep it on in the shower.
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Yeah, but keep it on in the shower.
I have a waterproof mask for showering. I'll continue using until advised otherwise. My wife and I have been exclusively going doggy style since March 2020. Is it safe for missionary or her on top? With or without a mask? I'm thinking if she is willing to wear a face shield, I'll let her get on top. Any more advices?
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I have a waterproof mask for showering. I'll continue using until advised otherwise. My wife and I have been exclusively going doggy style since March 2020. Is it safe for missionary or her on top? With or without a mask? I'm thinking if she is willing to wear a face shield, I'll let her get on top. Any more advices?
I thought you were into dudes like Goodrum and Shizzo. This is at least decent news.
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I thought you were into dudes like Goodrum and Shizzo. This is at least decent news.
You need to read the getbig awards again.
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You need to read the getbig awards again.
Busting balls. i know he loves Michelle Obama and AOC and Omar - but that is not much different I guess. :D ;D
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Busting balls. i know he loves Michelle Obama and AOC and Omar - but that is not much different I guess. :D ;D
His love affair with AOC is that he wants to shish kabob her with me on the opposite end.
no homo
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His love affair with AOC is that he wants to shish kabob her with me on the opposite end.
no homo
You're goddamn right.
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I have a waterproof mask for showering. I'll continue using until advised otherwise. My wife and I have been exclusively going doggy style since March 2020. Is it safe for missionary or her on top? With or without a mask? I'm thinking if she is willing to wear a face shield, I'll let her get on top. Any more advices?
You both should wear rubber full body condoms to protect against std's.
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You both should wear rubber full body condoms to protect against std's.
We usually fuck hasidic style. 😉
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His love affair with AOC is that he wants to shish kabob her with me on the opposite end.
no homo
Bing!
You triggered the mandatory repost whenever AOC is mentioned
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New York City To End Mask Mandate For Children Under Age 5
DYLAN HOUSMAN
HEALTHCARE REPORTER
March 22, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/22/eric-adams-new-york-city-end-mask-mandate-children-age-5/?utm_medium=email&pnespid=puloDHQbOqgQ16OerD6sHZ_cpEP1VZ95JrKyzOB6txRmITwdJEnXX0yswpQRvTyEZZttS7r0ew
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Bing!
You triggered the mandatory repost whenever AOC is mentioned
Her best picture.
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Florida judge overturns CDC mask mandate for public transit, planes
PUBLISHED MON, APR 18 2022
Spencer Kimball
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/18/florida-judge-overturns-cdc-mask-mandate-for-public-transit-planes.html
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Fauci says it's finally over. I'm gonna need the mighty Oak to validate this before I remove my face rubber.
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Fauci says it's finally over. I'm gonna need the mighty Oak to validate this before I remove my face rubber.
Now the little worm is walking that statement back.
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Senate votes to end COVID-19 public health emergency after Biden signals he won't veto
by Samantha-Jo Roth, Congressional Reporter
March 29, 2023
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate/senate-votes-to-end-covid-public-health-emergency
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Another Biden Administration COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Struck Down by Court
By Zachary Stieber
Updated: April 5, 2023
https://www.theepochtimes.com/another-biden-administration-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-struck-down-by-court_5172256.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport&src_src=partner&src_cmp=BonginoReport
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The Covid emergency is not over because employees in my local library are still wearing masks.
Be very afraid!
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The Covid emergency is not over because employees in my local library are still wearing masks.
Be very afraid!
Interesting. Do you think this is mandated by management or is it a group think? One of the clerks at the liquor store always wears a mask. Although I am curious, I have not asked him why because that would be rude... plus it is none of my business.
You see the occasional person or sometimes a couple wearing masks. What is interesting to me is that these can be folks of any age, from young kids to old-timers like me. I understand why someone old and infirmed might wear a mask for fear of getting acutely ill from COVID or some other contagious disease. Maybe these folks are germaphobes. Living in fear is not living, regardless whether they are afraid of catching a virus or fear of getting vaccinated.
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Interesting. Do you think this is mandated by management or is it a group think? One of the clerks at the liquor store always wears a mask. Although I am curious, I have not asked him why because that would be rude... plus it is none of my business.
You see the occasional person or sometimes a couple wearing masks. What is interesting to me is that these can be folks of any age, from young kids to old-timers like me. I understand why someone old and infirmed might wear a mask for fear of getting acutely ill from COVID or some other contagious disease. Maybe these folks are germaphobes. Living in fear is not living, regardless whether they are afraid of catching a virus or fear of getting vaccinated.
Libtard groupthink.
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Libtard groupthink.
Are you suggesting all librarians are liberals? My guess is that someone in authority mandated it. -Makes me want visit the West Linn library to see if the workers there are masked up. I am guessing not.
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Are you suggesting all librarians are liberals? My guess is that someone in authority mandated it. -Makes me want visit the West Linn library to see if the workers there are masked up. I am guessing not.
Most likely they are.
I will ask them on my next visit.
They look like libtards.
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Most likely they are.
I will ask them on my next visit.
They look like libtards.
Pimply faces, bacne, purple and blue hair, glasses and I love fascism t shirts?
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Pimply faces, bacne, purple and blue hair, glasses and I love fascism t shirts?
Yep.
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The Covid emergency is not over because employees in my local library are still wearing masks.
Be very afraid!
Hospitals and medical offices are some of the last holdouts in Hawaii.
But I still see people wearing them at the gym, outside, etc.
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Hospitals and medical offices are some of the last holdouts in Hawaii.
But I still see people wearing them at the gym, outside, etc.
My local hospital/dr group here in NC finally dropped the requirement recently. Still some wearing masks even in their own vehicles...mostly darkies and obvious alphabet crowd "people."
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My local hospital/dr group here in NC finally dropped the requirement recently. Still some wearing masks even in their own vehicles...mostly darkies and obvious alphabet crowd "people."
We will probably be the last state in the country to let it all go.
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1,120 days to slow the spread.
Biden signs bill ending COVID national emergency with month to spare
By Steven Nelson
April 10, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/04/10/biden-signs-bill-ending-covid-national-emergency-with-month-to-spare/
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This should be happening everywhere.
City of Chicago Employees Fired For Refusing COVID Vaccine Must Be Reinstated, Judge Rules
By Sun-Times/ NBC Chicago • Published April 21, 2023
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/city-of-chicago-employees-fired-for-refusing-covid-vaccine-must-be-reinstated-judge-rules/3124419/
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This is should be happening everywhere.
City of Chicago Employees Fired For Refusing COVID Vaccine Must Be Reinstated, Judge Rules
By Sun-Times/ NBC Chicago • Published April 21, 2023
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/city-of-chicago-employees-fired-for-refusing-covid-vaccine-must-be-reinstated-judge-rules/3124419/
I'd want my back pay.
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I still see tons in masks in NYC area where i am. insane
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I still see tons in masks in NYC area where i am. insane
People are a mess.
They can't accept they were played.
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People are a mess.
They can't accept they were played.
This. People need to accept the government just wanted to see how far they could push the control over us.
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This. People need to accept the government just wanted to see how far they could push the control over us.
They will do it again.
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This. People need to accept the government just wanted to see how far they could push the control over us.
Bingo - Yes Exactly Right
& they could see the Number of Idiotic Mindless Clowns by them wearing face Nappies
Advertising their Stupidity like a Club they all Belonged To. ::)
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I still see tons in masks in NYC area where i am. insane
It was not uncommon to see people living in crowded cities around the world, especially cities in Asia, wearing masks in public long before COVID ever existed.
https://www.voanews.com/a/science-health_coronavirus-outbreak_not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades/6185597.html
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Bingo - Yes Exactly Right
& they could see the Number of Idiotic Mindless Clowns by them wearing face Nappies
Advertising their Stupidity like a Club they all Belonged To. ::)
Get over it! Why do care if other folks choose to wear masks?
It was not uncommon to see people living in crowded cities around the world, especially cities in Asia, wearing masks in public long before COVID ever existed.
https://www.voanews.com/a/science-health_coronavirus-outbreak_not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades/6185597.html
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Get over it! Why do care if other folks choose to wear masks?
It was not uncommon to see people living in crowded cities around the world, especially cities in Asia, wearing masks in public long before COVID ever existed.
https://www.voanews.com/a/science-health_coronavirus-outbreak_not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades/6185597.html
NO I don't want to get over it ;D
I don't care only
Its far to much fun laughing & mocking those that willingly advertised their lack of reasoning
& total compliance - and as ever more data & evidence comes out it becomes undeniably clear
What Sheep 🐑 & Clowns 🤡 they all are / were.
🤣😅😂🤣😆 👍🏻
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NO I don't want to get over it ;D
I don't care only
Its far to much fun laughing & mocking those that willingly advertised their lack of reasoning
& total compliance - and as ever more data & evidence comes out it becomes undeniably clear
What Sheep 🐑 & Clowns 🤡 they all are / were.
🤣😅😂🤣😆 👍🏻
I think you meant too much fun, and not to much fun. BTW, you have an odd sense of humor. Are you humoring your tendency to be angry about things that aren't that important?
You may have missed the point which was that some people (besides bandits) were wearing masks in public supposedly for health reasons and no doubt there are folks who continue to do so and not because of mandates or COVID.
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I think you meant too much fun, and not to much fun. BTW, you have an odd sense of humor. Are you humoring your tendency to be angry about things that aren't that important?
You may have missed the point which was that some people (besides bandits) were wearing masks in public supposedly for health reasons and no doubt there are folks who continue to do so and not because of mandates or COVID.
Just goes to show how Thick many folk have been for a long time.
And Bollocks to the English lesson 🤣
I do what I want pretty much - no not everything I'd like to do as
I have some little value left in my Life .
Who knows - that one little thing could send me over the edge.
Don't concern yourself with my existence
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Tardz get COVID shots, LOL.. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.A4K4b4-x_TRQvYyGcdO_awHaJ4?pid=ImgDet&rs=1)
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Just goes to show how Thick many folk have been for a long time.
And Bollocks to the English lesson 🤣
I do what I want pretty much - no not everything I'd like to do as
I have some little value left in my Life .
Who knows - that one little thing could send me over the edge.
Don't concern yourself with my existence
Somehow I knew correcting that word would tick you off... and make you cry. Please don't cry. I was just teasing you. ;)
BTW, you and I have conversed and had our little spats on Getbig for quite a long time. You are like an (occasionally annoying) old friend. It is Pretty difficult not to be concerned about your existence. You would be missed if you ceased to exist. Who would 'illuminate' my life?
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Somehow I knew correcting that word would tick you off... and make you cry. Please don't cry. I was just teasing you. ;)
BTW, you and I have conversed and had our little spats on Getbig for quite a long time. You are like an (occasionally annoying) old friend. It is Pretty difficult not to be concerned about your existence. You would be missed if you ceased to exist. Who would 'illuminate' my life?
Pissed me off - Nah not really - I'd like to see you correcting every single word salad & utterance coming
Out of Pant Shitter Pedo Joe , That should keep you busy forever & a day.
Its the Internet & a message board - Its fine to disagree- as we know 99.9% of the time I'm always right ✅
I think you have far more interesting folk in your life who enrich & illuminate your life far more than
I do, I'd be quite happy to cease to exist now - I've had enough - Stop the Ride I want to get off.
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Get over it! Why do care if other folks choose to wear masks?
It was not uncommon to see people living in crowded cities around the world, especially cities in Asia, wearing masks in public long before COVID ever existed.
https://www.voanews.com/a/science-health_coronavirus-outbreak_not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades/6185597.html
I care, because as long as there is a group who still wears masks, there will still be a group of people pushing to keep masks mandated forever. I’m glad it’s died down, but two years ago this was not the case.
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I care, because as long as there is a group who still wears masks, there will still be a group of people pushing to keep masks mandated forever. I’m glad it’s died down, but two years ago this was not the case.
Where do you live that people are still pushing mandating masks?
Early in April the medical environment mandate was lifted. So, no more wearing a mask at the pharmacy or doctor's office. Wearing a mask at the dentist was especially absurd. Obviously, they cannot look at or work on one's teeth if while they are wearing a mask. ::)
-Posted this before, but, I hated this whole mask wearing business. I am hearing impaired. When people wear a mask, I find it impossible to understand them. Another problem for me is that I am claustrophobic. I feel as if I cannot breathe with one on. Lastly, in cold weather my glasses fog up and I cannot see where I am going which is a bigger problem than to me than having someone cough their germs in my direction.
To me what is worse than wearing a mask is not wearing one when or where they were required and having someone hassle me about it. I am not someone who likes confrontation.
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Where do you live that masks are still mandated?
Terrible reading comprehension.
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I went to a new Optometrist last week that required everyone to wear a mask.
There is a good amount of folks where i live still wearing them everywhere they go.
It's insane.
One of my consultants still wears one to jobsites outdoors.
I'd give her shit about it, but she's one of the best electrical engineers I've ever met so she gets a pass.
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I went to a new Optometrist last week that required everyone to wear a mask.
There is a good amount of folks where i live still wearing them everywhere they go.
It's insane.
One of my consultants still wears one to jobsites outdoors.
I'd give her shit about it, but she's one of the best electrical engineers I've ever met so she gets a pass.
That is the optometrist's prerogative. Yours is to go to one who does not require it.
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I went to a new Optometrist last week that required everyone to wear a mask.
There is a good amount of folks where i live still wearing them everywhere they go.
It's insane.
One of my consultants still wears one to jobsites outdoors.
I'd give her shit about it, but she's one of the best electrical engineers I've ever met so she gets a pass.
Find a new doctor, I would. I would not patronize any business requiring such idiocy.
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I care, because as long as there is a group who still wears masks, there will still be a group of people pushing to keep masks mandated forever. I’m glad it’s died down, but two years ago this was not the case.
Exactly. Prime doesn't appear to understand this.
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Biden Administration Announces End to Federal COVID Vaccine Mandates
By Zachary Stieber
Updated: May 1, 2023
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-administration-announces-end-to-federal-covid-vaccine-mandates_5234192.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport
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Texas case successful in challenging Biden’s military vaccine mandate
by By Lauren Scott | The Center Square
June 19, 2023
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/texas-case-successful-in-challenging-bidens-military-vaccine-mandate
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Doctors' offices in my area still require masks.
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Doctors' offices in my area still require masks.
Mine too. ::)
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Doctors' offices in my area still require masks.
How about dentists? ;D I wouldn't be surprised.
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How about dentists? ;D I wouldn't be surprised.
There are other reasons besides COVID that dentists and hygienists were masks, which is why some wore them before COVID was even a thing. For obvious reasons dental patients wearing a mask under any circumstances makes no sense.
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How about dentists? ;D I wouldn't be surprised.
I just went to the dentist. No mask requirement.
But there is an old man I see walking to and standing at the bus stop near my house on his way to work. He is always wearing a mask. Outside by himself. And when walking to and from the bus stop. It's sad how we brainwashed so many people. I feel sorry for them.
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I just went to the dentist. No mask requirement.
But there is an old man I see walking to and standing at the bus stop near my house on his way to work. He is always wearing a mask. Outside by himself. And when walking to and from the bus stop. It's sad how we brainwashed so many people. I feel sorry for them.
Lately, I have noticed quite a few old folks wearing masks. I assume it is because some of them are immunocompromised which can happen with age and certain illnesses and medical treatments such as cancer, chemo, bone marrow transplants, HIV, and AIDS . If anyone wants extra protection from the flu, RSV, and other respiratory illness, some say it is a good idea to put on a face mask.
Folks who wear masks for these reasons may wear them most of the time rather than take them off and forget when to put them on.
I have never been a germaphobe. What is the point of this? Germs are everywhere. Seems to me some exposure helps most people develop a level of immunity to them. The first year I worked at an elementary school, I got more colds than usual. During the remaining 14 years, I was hardly ever sick. I assume I had built up immunity. Other folks I worked with had the same experience. Seems like there is something to this.
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Lately, I have noticed quite a few old folks wearing masks. I assume it is because some of them are immunocompromised which can happen with age and certain illnesses and medical treatments such as cancer, chemo, bone marrow transplants, HIV, and AIDS . If anyone wants extra protection from the flu, RSV, and other respiratory illness, some say it is a good idea to put on a face mask.
Folks who wear masks for these reasons may wear them most of the time rather than take them off and forget when to put them on.
I have never been a germaphobe. What is the point of this? Germs are everywhere. Seems to me some exposure helps most people develop a level of immunity to them. The first year I worked at an elementary school, I got more colds than usual. During the remaining 14 years, I was hardly ever sick. I assume I had built up immunity. Other folks I worked with had the same experience. Seems like there is something to this.
Some (including government officials) say it's a good idea to mask up. Including Rep. Nadler who thinks we should mask 2 year olds. But none of that is supported by the science.
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Unvaxxed Amish Death Rates 90 Times Lower Than Rest of America
Frank Bergman June 30, 2023
https://slaynews.com/news/unvaxxed-amish-death-rates-90-times-lower-rest-america/
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Unvaxxed Amish Death Rates 90 Times Lower Than Rest of America
Frank Bergman June 30, 2023
https://slaynews.com/news/unvaxxed-amish-death-rates-90-times-lower-rest-america/
They need to FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!
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In-N-Out Bans Employees From Wearing Masks, Prompting Leftist Meltdown.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/07/15/in-n-out-bans-employees-from-wearing-masks-prompting-leftist-meltdown/
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There are still branch covidians wearing masks in NYC area
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There are still branch covidians wearing masks in NYC area
It was their Great Depression. They will be traumatized for life.
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It was their Great Depression. They will be traumatized for life.
Yup. And many still wearing 2.
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First lady Jill Biden tests positive for COVID-19 for second time
First lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted
By Greg Wehner Fox News
Published September 4, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/first-lady-jill-biden-tests-positive-covid-second-time
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Fauci ‘concerned’ people won’t comply if masking recommendations return: 'I hope' they 'abide'
Several businesses, schools, hospitals have reinstated mask requirements
By Melissa Rudy Fox News
Published September 3, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-concerned-people-wont-comply-masking-recommendations-return-hope-abide
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Fauci ‘concerned’ people won’t comply if masking recommendations return: 'I hope' they 'abide'
Several businesses, schools, hospitals have reinstated mask requirements
By Melissa Rudy Fox News
Published September 3, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-concerned-people-wont-comply-masking-recommendations-return-hope-abide
Masks have been proven to not work. Does Fauci not "follow the science?"
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Double Vaxxed and Double Boosted Jill Biden Tests Positive for COVID–Again
Gateway Pundit ^ | 9-4-23 | Kristinn Taylor
Posted on 9/4/2023, 10:29:42 PM by bimboeruption
The White House announced Monday evening that Jill Biden has tested positive for COVID-19 while on vacation in Delaware and is “experiencing only mild symptoms.” Jill Biden is double-vaxxed and twice boosted. Jill previously tested positive in August 2022 and again that month in a rebound case after treatment with Paxlovid. Jill’s case comes as a new wave of COVID hysteria has started with the emergence of a new variant (Pirola).
A follow-up statement by White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Joe Biden tested negative for COVID Monday evening.
The Bidens were on vacation this weekend in Rehoboth, Delaware. Joe returned to the White House on Monday after giving a Labor Day speech in Philadelphia. Jill remained behind in Rehoboth Beach.
President Joe Biden returns to the White House after spending Labor Day Weekend in Delaware and PA. pic.twitter.com/uMHsO5aYll
— DJ Judd (@DJJudd) September 4, 2023
Statement from the First Lady’s Communications Director Elizabeth Alexander This evening, the First Lady tested positive for COVID-19. She is currently experiencing only mild symptoms. She will remain at their home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware.
This evening, the First Lady tested positive for COVID-19.
She is currently experiencing only mild symptoms. She will remain at their home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. pic.twitter.com/drRRQ49gQ9
— Elizabeth Alexander (@EAlexander46) September 5, 2023
Statement from White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre
Following the First Lady’s positive test for COVID-19, President Biden was administered a COVID test this evening. The President tested negative. The President will test at a regular cadence this week and monitor for symptoms.
Following the First Lady’s positive test for COVID-19, President Biden was administered a COVID test this evening. The President tested negative. The President will test at a regular cadence this week and monitor for symptoms.https://t.co/SyGs7w5x7T
— Karine Jean-Pierre (@PressSec) September 5, 2023
The White House announced in August 2022 that Jill Biden had been twice vaccinated and twice boosted when she caught her first case of COVID.
Statement from the First Lady’s Communications Director Elizabeth Alexander
After testing negative for COVID-19 on Monday during her regular testing cadence, the First Lady began to develop cold-like symptoms late in the evening. She tested negative again on a rapid antigen test, but a PCR test came back positive. The First Lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted, and only experiencing mild symptoms. She has been prescribed a course of Paxlovid and, following CDC guidance, will isolate from others for at least five days. Close contacts of the First Lady have been notified. She is currently staying at a private residence in South Carolina and will return home after she receives two consecutive negative COVID tests.
Joe Biden tested positive for COVID in July 2022 and like Jill had a rebound case after treatment with Paxlovid.
Folks, today I tested positive for COVID again.
This happens with a small minority of folks.
I’ve got no symptoms but I am going to isolate for the safety of everyone around me.
I’m still at work, and will be back on the road soon.
— President Biden (@POTUS) July 30, 2022
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I wonder if he will wear a mask during a Zoom call again?
Simon Ateba
@simonateba
BREAKING:
@whitehouse says President @JoeBiden will start wearing a mask again after First Lady @DrBiden tested positive for COVID. He will remove his mask when he's socially distanced from others. He is abiding by CDC guidelines.
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:D
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Democrat Blocks Senate Bill To Ban Mask Mandates Nationwide
ARJUN SINGH
CONTRIBUTOR
September 07, 2023
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/07/democrats-block-senate-bill-ban-mask-mandates-nationwide/?pnespid=qLU6DykWKa4Ghf2R.C_wHpHTux_0UYZodeW1y.ZvoxFmXDc2aiWTiLQ8EaMIRfNfcT4r1uOTeA
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Democrat Blocks Senate Bill To Ban Mask Mandates Nationwide
ARJUN SINGH
CONTRIBUTOR
September 07, 2023
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/07/democrats-block-senate-bill-ban-mask-mandates-nationwide/?pnespid=qLU6DykWKa4Ghf2R.C_wHpHTux_0UYZodeW1y.ZvoxFmXDc2aiWTiLQ8EaMIRfNfcT4r1uOTeA
Authoritarian party.
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NYC teachers win jobs back with backpay after refusing COVID-19 vaccine
A New York judge said city officials were arbitrary and capricious when they denied religious exemption claims to the vaccine mandate
Chris Pandolfo By Chris Pandolfo Fox News
Published September 8, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-teachers-win-jobs-back-backpay-refusing-covid-19-vaccine
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Boosted People More Likely Than Unvaccinated To Be Infected: New Study Finds
BY TYLER DURDEN
SEP 09, 2023
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fcovid-19%2Fboosted-people-more-likely-unvaccinated-be-infected-new-study-finds
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NEW - NY Governor Hochul: "Tell everybody don’t rely on the fact that you had a vaccine in the past, it will not help you this time around."
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COVID Cancellations Are Back: California High Schools Cancel Football Games
Esparto High School near Sacramento confirmed it canceled a game after it said six players tested positive for COVID-19.
COVID Cancellations Are Back: California High Schools Cancel Football Games
By Jack Phillips
9/11/2023
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/covid-cancellations-are-back-california-high-schools-cancel-football-games-5489665?utm_source=epochHG&utm_campaign=CFP&src_src=epochHG&src_cmp=CFP
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COVID vaccine poll finds more than half of adults are likely to say 'no thanks' to the vax
Meanwhile, 70% of Democrats say they'll get the new vaccine, the survey found
By Melissa Rudy Fox News
Published October 1, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-vaccine-poll-finds-more-than-half-adults-likely-say-no-thanks-vax
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COVID vaccine poll finds more than half of adults are likely to say 'no thanks' to the vax
Meanwhile, 70% of Democrats say they'll get the new vaccine, the survey found
By Melissa Rudy Fox News
Published October 1, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-vaccine-poll-finds-more-than-half-adults-likely-say-no-thanks-vax
Great! I love it when Demturds get vaxxed up. Myocarditis is their friend.
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Great! I love it when Demturds get vaxxed up. Myocarditis is their friend.
"Seventy percent of Democrats plan to get the new vaccine. That's compared to just 24% of Republicans."
Crazy how something that should be based on science is divided along political lines.
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"Seventy percent of Democrats plan to get the new vaccine. That's compared to just 24% of Republicans."
Crazy how something that should be based on science is divided along political lines.
Democrats are in a cult - there is zero science they follow. They will get shots every month if told to.
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Democrats are in a cult - there is zero science they follow. They will get shots every month if told to.
Truth.
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"Seventy percent of Democrats plan to get the new vaccine. That's compared to just 24% of Republicans."
Crazy how something that should be based on science is divided along political lines.
Is that a fact or is it your opinion?
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Is that a fact or is it your opinion?
I quoted the poll numbers. Those are not opinions. The poll numbers are a fact.
It's also consistent with what I see on a daily basis.
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CDC stops printing COVID-19 vaccination cards
By Associated Press
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/10/04/breaking-news/cdc-stops-printing-covid-19-vaccination-cards/
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CDC repeatedly misrepresents mask research, mask mandates worsen depression: studies
Agency claims masks work even when masked group has higher infection rate. New director says it will forsake "precision" to "simplify" vaccine recs even more. Fauci protested in California.
By Greg Piper
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/cdc-repeatedly-misrepresents-mask-research-mask-mandates-worsen?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
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The mask is a religious article clothing for liberals.
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The mask is a religious article clothing for liberals.
I read a story last week of a guy who asked a young man at the airport why he was wearing a mask, and the young said "habit."
More like conditioning.
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I read a story last week of a guy who asked a young man at the airport why he was wearing a mask, and the young said "habit."
More like conditioning.
The young "man" likely has other habits involving taking cock up his ass.
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My Doctor "covid, oh the new flu" LOL!!
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A COVID-19 vaccine reckoning is coming for the DOJ over federal mandates
By Miranda Devine
Published Nov. 12, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/a-covid-19-vaccine-reckoning-is-coming-for-the-doj-over-federal-gov-mandates/
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A COVID-19 vaccine reckoning is coming for the DOJ over federal mandates
By Miranda Devine
Published Nov. 12, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/a-covid-19-vaccine-reckoning-is-coming-for-the-doj-over-federal-gov-mandates/
You mean "the science" isn't settled?
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You mean "the science" isn't settled?
They never really followed the science.
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US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
"Individuals who desire to apply to return to service should contact their local Army, US Army Reserve, or Army National Guard."
US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
Katie Daviscourt
Seattle WA
Nov 17, 2023
https://thepostmillennial.com/us-army-asks-troops-who-left-over-covid-mandate-to-come-back-as-war-looms#google_vignette
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NY Times says school COVID closures may be ‘most damaging disruption’ to kids’ education in U.S. history
The Times lamented the learning losses stemming from the closures after pushing for the closures during the pandemic's height
By Gabriel Hays Fox News
Published November 18, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-says-school-covid-closures-may-most-damaging-disruption-kids-education-u-s-history
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US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
"Individuals who desire to apply to return to service should contact their local Army, US Army Reserve, or Army National Guard."
US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
Katie Daviscourt
Seattle WA
Nov 17, 2023
https://thepostmillennial.com/us-army-asks-troops-who-left-over-covid-mandate-to-come-back-as-war-looms#google_vignette
I'd tell them to fuck off and sue for lost wages.
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I'd tell them to fuck off and sue for lost wages.
"We'll ruin your life, mess with your family stability over a fake/deadly jab (and send you packing), but now that war looms, we need you to give up your life for your country"!
::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah, fukk off libturd kvnts...
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Went to the library and one of the staff (probably 30s) was wearing a mask.
Libraries are staffed by many libtards.
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"We'll ruin your life, mess with your family stability over a fake/deadly jab (and send you packing), but now that war looms, we need you to give up your life for your country"!
::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah, fukk off libturd kvnts...
Not to mention poison you with toxic waste.
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Went to the library and one of the staff (probably 30s) was wearing a mask.
Libraries are staffed by many libtards.
I was in a business meeting last week and one of the participants was wearing a mask, but he removed it every time he spoke. lol
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Florida Grand Jury Report Vindicates 5 Spot-On Covid Claims You Weren’t Allowed To Say
BY: SHAWN FLEETWOOD
FEBRUARY 06, 2024
https://thefederalist.com/2024/02/06/florida-grand-jury-report-vindicates-5-spot-on-covid-claims-you-werent-allowed-to-say/
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US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
"Individuals who desire to apply to return to service should contact their local Army, US Army Reserve, or Army National Guard."
US Army asks troops who left over Covid mandate to come back as war looms
Katie Daviscourt
Seattle WA
Nov 17, 2023
https://thepostmillennial.com/us-army-asks-troops-who-left-over-covid-mandate-to-come-back-as-war-looms#google_vignette
Khvnts - Total Fucking hypocrisy - So now the none vaccinated are fine & wanted ::)
I hope they can persue legal action for being forced out & also those that were forced into having
The vaccines i hope they can also sue.
If it wasn't such a serious issue it'd be Hilarious.
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Khvnts - Total Fucking hypocrisy - So now the none vaccinated are fine & wanted ::)
I hope they can persue legal action for being forced out & also those that were forced into having
The vaccines i hope they can also sue.
If it wasn't such a serious issue it'd be Hilarious.
F that - who on earth would ever fight for this Govt overseas and die for this nonsense? Hell F No!
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Never trust the Government.
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Never trust the Government.
More and more true everyday.
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Khvnts - Total Fucking hypocrisy - So now the none vaccinated are fine & wanted ::)
I hope they can persue legal action for being forced out & also those that were forced into having
The vaccines i hope they can also sue.
If it wasn't such a serious issue it'd be Hilarious.
x2
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CDC stops printing COVID-19 vaccination cards
By Associated Press
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/10/04/breaking-news/cdc-stops-printing-covid-19-vaccination-cards/
I was in Atlanta airport yesterday. D walking down the jetway I saw a sign in regards to Hawaii and that you needed a test 72 hours prior to coming back after travel to the mainland. Not sure if it was something old that hadnt been taken down or if it is something they’ve never stopped implementing there.
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I was in Atlanta airport yesterday. D walking down the jetway I saw a sign in regards to Hawaii and that you needed a test 72 hours prior to coming back after travel to the mainland. Not sure if it was something old that hadnt been taken down or if it is something they’ve never stopped implementing there.
It's old. They stopped that a while ago.
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Chip Roy unveils bill to let Americans sue COVID-19 vaccine makers over injury, negative effects
Elizabeth Elkind
March 5, 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chip-roy-unveils-bill-let-190014091.html
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White House lifting its COVID-19 testing rule for people around Biden
Mar 4, 2024
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/white-house-lifting-its-covid-19-testing-rule-for-people-around-biden
Morgan Stephens
@morganstephensa
I’m part of the WH press pool today and can confirm we did not need to test this morning. First time since the beginning of the pandemic.
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Not surprised.
Democrats believe Covid-19 pandemic isn’t over
BY LAUREL DUGGAN
MARCH 20, 2024
https://unherd.com/newsroom/six-in-10-democrats-believe-covid-19-pandemic-isnt-over/
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Not surprised.
Democrats believe Covid-19 pandemic isn’t over
BY LAUREL DUGGAN
MARCH 20, 2024
https://unherd.com/newsroom/six-in-10-democrats-believe-covid-19-pandemic-isnt-over/
How true - Agnostic007 still believes it & believes it was 100% all true ::)
Yet refuses to enter a debate about it or answer some simple questions I've asked him.
Oh well There's one Born every minute as the ole saying goes. 🤣😂🤣
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Not surprised.
Democrats believe Covid-19 pandemic isn’t over
BY LAUREL DUGGAN
MARCH 20, 2024
https://unherd.com/newsroom/six-in-10-democrats-believe-covid-19-pandemic-isnt-over/
I'm sure Covid will hit hard right before the election.
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I'm sure Covid will hit hard right before the election.
The nuts are still out in their face diapers
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The nuts are still out in their face diapers
College age women are the worst.
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Covid...........HA what a joke on civilization!
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Covid...........HA what a joke on civilization!
A joke for us. They take it very serious.
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Not surprised.
Democrats believe Covid-19 pandemic isn’t over
BY LAUREL DUGGAN
MARCH 20, 2024
https://unherd.com/newsroom/six-in-10-democrats-believe-covid-19-pandemic-isnt-over/
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ::)
TDS Demturdz, dumbest kvnts who ever existed... ::)
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I just told this older black man today at the gym to take his mask off because Covid is over. He said you think I will be all right with all these people in here. I told him yes, so he took it off. I felt like I did my duty today.
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I just told this older black man today at the gym to take his mask off because Covid is over. He said you think I will be all right with all these people in here. I told him yes, so he took it off. I felt like I did my duty today.
Why do they even go to the gym if they still fear Covid?
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Covid...........HA what a joke on civilization!
Don't say that to Prime / Ag 007 / J.oak they swallowed it all
Hook,Line,Sinker & Fishing rod & still believe it 100%
FFS you'd think by now they'd admit they'd been conned. ::)
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Don't say that to Prime / Ag 007 / J.oak they swallowed it all
Hook,Line,Sinker & Fishing rod & still believe it 100%
FFS you'd think by now they'd admit they'd been conned. ::)
Prime probably wears his to the glory hole to swallow AIDS ridden caulk...
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Prime probably wears his to the glory hole to swallow AIDS ridden caulk...
Probably thinks it stops AIDS as well, he will if MSM / CDC / WHO & Fuckboy Fauci Who Never
Ever Lie Tell him its True. 😂🤣😂
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Probably thinks it stops AIDS as well, he will if MSM / CDC / WHO & Fuckboy Fauci Who Never
Ever Lie Tell him its True. 😂🤣😂
Grow up.
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Grow up.
Truth hurts 😂🤣😂
Says the man that did behave like a clown 🤡 - yet dare not admit it.
Carry on playing the 🤡
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Why do they even go to the gym if they still fear Covid?
I use to see him a local gyms before covid. He just joined the gym again. He left the gym yesterday because it was too crowded. I told him it would be fine. He still left I guess because he didn't have his mask on. Poor old dude. THe fake news destroyed him.
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I use to see him a local gyms before covid. He just joined the gym again. He left the gym yesterday because it was too crowded. I told him it would be fine. He still left I guess because he didn't have his mask on. Poor old dude. THe fake news destroyed him.
Fake news messed up a lot of people.
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Imagine listening to the news and they tell you to go out and get the poison jab and you comply??
More than once even???
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ::) ::)
You're now fucked for life...
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Truth hurts 😂🤣😂
Says the man that did behave like a clown 🤡 - yet dare not admit it.
Carry on playing the 🤡
I am immune to your juvenile comments, nonsense, and idiocy.
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Imagine listening to the news and they tell you to go out and get the poison jab and you comply??
More than once even???
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ::) ::)
You're now fucked for life...
Sheeeeep
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I am immune to your juvenile comments, nonsense, and idiocy.
🤔 Hmmmm you're certainly not immune to the China virus after 17 jabs & doing 🤡 like
Behaviour on request - What does that say about your idiocy.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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I'm sure Covid will hit hard right before the election.
No doubt.
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Shock Study: Lockdowns Worsened Mental Health Outcomes
DAVID STROM | April 08, 2024
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/04/08/shock-study-lockdowns-worsened-mental-health-outcomes-n3786096
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Shock Study: Lockdowns Worsened Mental Health Outcomes
DAVID STROM | April 08, 2024
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/04/08/shock-study-lockdowns-worsened-mental-health-outcomes-n3786096
A shock to stupid people.
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🤔 Hmmmm you're certainly not immune to the China virus after 17 jabs & doing 🤡 like
Behaviour on request - What does that say about your idiocy.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I am immune to a lot of viruses, including you. So, be my guest and carry on as I know you will. :)
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I am immune to a lot of viruses, including you. So, be my guest and carry on as I know you will. :)
Yet again your unable to answer the question ;D
17+ injections & less immunity than I to the china Virus
How does it feel to have been conned & compromised your immune system
:D ;D :D
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Yet again your unable to answer the question ;D
17+ injections & less immunity than I to the china Virus
How does it feel to have been conned & compromised your immune system
:D ;D :D
Feels great.
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Feels great.
Yet you're not immune to the China Virus 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 go take more boosters
It feels great being conned ::) well thats a very interesting & truthful statement.
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Yet you're not immune to the China Virus 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 go take more boosters
It feels great being conned ::) well thats a very interesting & truthful statement.
Maybe I am not immune to Covid... This is hard to say since I only had a mild case of Covid one time a couple of years ago and only then if the test kit was accurate. I just got over this year's 3-day flu, or maybe it was 3-day Covid. I am not sure since I did not bother with a test. What I am sure of is it was more annoying than COVID. I do not know if it is great being conned, because I do not feel like I was. But if I was, it was not and is not a big deal to me, as it obviously is to you. So, I got a couple of free vaccines, so what? I have also had a few TDaP vaccinations over the years, and without doubt I got the polio vaccine when I was a kid. As best as I know I've never contracted any of those diseases, was it the vaccines or natural immunity? I had Shingles once and pneumonia countless times. To the best of my knowledge, there was no Shingles vaccine available until after I had it. By the time the Pneumococcal vaccines became available in 1977, I was sick with pneumonia many times starting in infancy. Not sure of the exact year, but I have had the pneumonia vaccine several times.
Maybe I am not immune to Covid... This is hard to say since I only had a mild case of Covid one time a couple of years ago and only then if the test kit was correct. I just got over this year's 3-day flu, or it was 3-day Covid. LOL! I am not sure since I did not bother with a test. What I am sure of is it was more annoying than COVID. I do not know if it is great being conned, because I do not feel like I was. But if I was, it was not and is not a big deal to me, as it obviously is to you. So, I got a couple of free vaccines, so what? I have also had TDaP vaccinations over the years, and without doubt I got the polio vaccine when I was a kid. As best as I know I've never contracted any of those diseases, was it the vaccines or natural immunity? I had Shingles once and pneumonia countless times. To the best of my knowledge, there was no Shingles vaccine available until after I had it. By the time the Pneumococcal vaccines became available in 1977, I was sick with pneumonia dozens of times starting in infancy. Not sure of the exact year, but I have had the pneumonia vaccine. The most recent one is supposed to be good for years.
At the moment my right nostril itches and I keep snuffing which historically meant I was coming down with a cold. So, I have been popping Zicam gummies like they are candy, well to be honest they taste like candy.
What I find hilarious is that while most folks in the world have moved on from the Covid pandemic, you have not. It is still at the forefront of your mind.
Sorry for the lengthy reply, but I am bored this afternoon and did not have anything else to do with my time.
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What I find hilarious is that while most folks in the world have moved on from the Covid pandemic, you have not. It is still at the forefront of your mind.
Not true. Democrats have not moved on.
Not surprised.
Democrats believe Covid-19 pandemic isn’t over
BY LAUREL DUGGAN
MARCH 20, 2024
https://unherd.com/newsroom/six-in-10-democrats-believe-covid-19-pandemic-isnt-over/
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Maybe I am not immune to Covid... This is hard to say since I only had a mild case of Covid one time a couple of years ago and only then if the test kit was accurate. I just got over this year's 3-day flu, or maybe it was 3-day Covid. I am not sure since I did not bother with a test. What I am sure of is it was more annoying than COVID. I do not know if it is great being conned, because I do not feel like I was. But if I was, it was not and is not a big deal to me, as it obviously is to you. So, I got a couple of free vaccines, so what? I have also had a few TDaP vaccinations over the years, and without doubt I got the polio vaccine when I was a kid. As best as I know I've never contracted any of those diseases, was it the vaccines or natural immunity? I had Shingles once and pneumonia countless times. To the best of my knowledge, there was no Shingles vaccine available until after I had it. By the time the Pneumococcal vaccines became available in 1977, I was sick with pneumonia many times starting in infancy. Not sure of the exact year, but I have had the pneumonia vaccine several times.
Maybe I am not immune to Covid... This is hard to say since I only had a mild case of Covid one time a couple of years ago and only then if the test kit was correct. I just got over this year's 3-day flu, or it was 3-day Covid. LOL! I am not sure since I did not bother with a test. What I am sure of is it was more annoying than COVID. I do not know if it is great being conned, because I do not feel like I was. But if I was, it was not and is not a big deal to me, as it obviously is to you. So, I got a couple of free vaccines, so what? I have also had TDaP vaccinations over the years, and without doubt I got the polio vaccine when I was a kid. As best as I know I've never contracted any of those diseases, was it the vaccines or natural immunity? I had Shingles once and pneumonia countless times. To the best of my knowledge, there was no Shingles vaccine available until after I had it. By the time the Pneumococcal vaccines became available in 1977, I was sick with pneumonia dozens of times starting in infancy. Not sure of the exact year, but I have had the pneumonia vaccine. The most recent one is supposed to be good for years.
At the moment my right nostril itches and I keep snuffing which historically meant I was coming down with a cold. So, I have been popping Zicam gummies like they are candy, well to be honest they taste like candy.
What I find hilarious is that while most folks in the world have moved on from the Covid pandemic, you have not. It is still at the forefront of your mind.
Sorry for the lengthy reply, but I am bored this afternoon and did not have anything else to do with my time.
Far to long & didn't read -
No doubt some drivel about you & China virus etc :P
You're not immune from the China virus - more vaccine boosters required ;D
You were conned.
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Quote from: Primemuscle on Today at 00:44:36
What I find hilarious is that while most folks in the world have moved on from the Covid pandemic, you have not. It is still at the forefront of your mind.
Moved on from the Death & destruction caused by the Lies / Propaganda & Vaccines
FFS what just ignore all the vaccine deaths & injuries caused, Really !!
You are aware of all that's coming out & going on over the Covid Fiasco ?
or are you going to pretend you don't know.
You clearly learnt nothing from history of 2WW & how easily people were fooled into killing jews etc.
Read - Ordinary Men - Reserve Police Battalion 101 & re-read it until you see how you were fooled
& accept you would've 100% gone along with the killings.
Forget it - Never & neither should You or anyone else - learn from it or yet again history
Will repeat itself.
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Deputy’s selfies at Jan. 6 insurrection got her fired, suit says. Now she gets payout
Kate Linderman
May 8, 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/news/deputy-selfies-jan-6-insurrection-160441658.html
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Quote from: Primemuscle on Today at 00:44:36
What I find hilarious is that while most folks in the world have moved on from the Covid pandemic, you have not. It is still at the forefront of your mind.
Moved on from the Death & destruction caused by the Lies / Propaganda & Vaccines
FFS what just ignore all the vaccine deaths & injuries caused, Really !!
You are aware of all that's coming out & going on over the Covid Fiasco ?
or are you going to pretend you don't know.
You clearly learnt nothing from history of 2WW & how easily people were fooled into killing jews etc.
Read - Ordinary Men - Reserve Police Battalion 101 & re-read it until you see how you were fooled
& accept you would've 100% gone along with the killings.
Forget it - Never & neither should You or anyone else - learn from it or yet again history
Will repeat itself.
I'm still shocked so many fell for it.
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I'm still shocked so many fell for it.
I'm not , sadly very many are Sheep 🐑 & totally trusting of Governments & MSM ,
Those Sheep like learnt Zero from history & Hitler's Germany.
What's more troubling is many still believe it & cannot accept / admit they were had,
And so they'll be fooled yet again.
Bunch of Fucking 🤡s & 🐑
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I'm not , sadly very many are Sheep 🐑 & totally trusting of Governments & MSM ,
Those Sheep like learnt Zero from history & Hitler's Germany.
What's more troubling is many still believe it & cannot accept / admit they were had,
And so they'll be fooled yet again.
Bunch of Fucking 🤡s & 🐑
They all think they are unique and free thinkers.
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They all think they are unique and free thinkers.
The very smart medical experts like Oak do not agree!!
Trust the science!! ::) ::) ::)
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NJ gym owner who defied COVID lockdowns WINS legal battle; ALL CHARGES DROPPED
BLAZETV STAFF
MAY 28, 2024
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/sara-gonzales-unfiltered/new-jersey-gym-covid-lockdowns
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NJ gym owner who defied COVID lockdowns WINS legal battle; ALL CHARGES DROPPED
BLAZETV STAFF
MAY 28, 2024
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/sara-gonzales-unfiltered/new-jersey-gym-covid-lockdowns
Well deserved. Covid....what a fucking scam on society. Really getting disgusted with America.
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NJ gym owner who defied COVID lockdowns WINS legal battle; ALL CHARGES DROPPED
BLAZETV STAFF
MAY 28, 2024
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/sara-gonzales-unfiltered/new-jersey-gym-covid-lockdowns
Does he even still have a business?
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Does he even still have a business?
Yes, the Atilis Gym in Bellmawr NJ is open on Saturday, but hurry over if you want to get in a workout because it closes for the day at 10:00 p.m. about a half hour from now.
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Well deserved. Covid....what a fucking scam on society. Really getting disgusted with America.
The whole world fell for it.
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The whole world fell for it.
This says a lot about the validity of the COVID pandemic. One cannot successfully argue when almost the entire world believes something to be true… unless of course you really enjoy bashing your head into a stone wall.
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This says a lot about the validity of the COVID pandemic. One cannot successfully argue when almost the entire world believes something to be true… unless of course you really enjoy bashing your head into a stone wall.
(https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/banging-head-on-wall-gif-file-570kb-k8joz0x4jtms7q5u.webp)
So many Dumb Sheep 🐑 Like believed all the Lies & Propaganda fed to them - No sensibility or ability
To do self investigation. ::)
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Got 2 years of my life stolen over lies & propaganda. A big middle finger to everybody that forced normal people to fall in line with these draconian measures.
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Got 2 years of my life stolen over lies & propaganda. A big middle finger to everybody that forced normal people to fall in line with these draconian measures.
You're new here - Ask Prime, J.oak, Agnostic they'll tell you it wasn't all Lies & Propaganda they're experts 🤡s & 🐑
on the subject 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Their Moto - Death to all Unvaxinated Non Face Nappy wearers . ::)
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And the consequences will be? Nothing.
COVID guidelines caused millions to suffer. Now Fauci admits 'there was no science behind it.'
Dr. Anthony Fauci told members of Congress that the COVID guidelines he preached in 2020 had no scientific support.
Nicole Russell
USA TODAY
Published June 5, 2024
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/06/05/fauci-hearing-covid-social-distancing-wrong/73962967007/
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And the consequences will be? Nothing.
COVID guidelines caused millions to suffer. Now Fauci admits 'there was no science behind it.'
Dr. Anthony Fauci told members of Congress that the COVID guidelines he preached in 2020 had no scientific support.
Nicole Russell
USA TODAY
Published June 5, 2024
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/06/05/fauci-hearing-covid-social-distancing-wrong/73962967007/
I still see people defending the hoax and saying antivaxxers are anti science. ::)
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I still see people defending the hoax and saying antivaxxers are anti science. ::)
I walked by a guy in town today who was wearing a mask outside. It was 80 degrees and humid.
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I walked by a guy in town today who was wearing a mask outside. It was 80 degrees and humid.
He follows the science!
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I walked by a guy in town today who was wearing a mask outside. It was 80 degrees and humid.
You should see NYC area - tons of maskaholics still outside in masks
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I walked by a guy in town today who was wearing a mask outside. It was 80 degrees and humid.
likely it was either Prime or Agnostic ;D
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You should see NYC area - tons of maskaholics still outside in masks
I feel sorry for them. It's like a mental illness.
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So many Dumb Sheep 🐑 Like believed all the Lies & Propaganda fed to them - No sensibility or ability
To do self investigation. ::)
Still beating your head against the wall. ;D
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Still beating your head against the wall. ;D
Are you still believing all the lies & propaganda that you so readily took on board ?? ::)
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Tennessee woman wins federal lawsuit after being fired for refusing to take Covid vaccine
By Sharyl Attkisson | July 22, 2024
https://sharylattkisson.com/2024/07/tennessee-woman-wins-federal-lawsuit-after-being-fired-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine/
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Tennessee woman wins federal lawsuit after being fired for refusing to take Covid vaccine
By Sharyl Attkisson | July 22, 2024
https://sharylattkisson.com/2024/07/tennessee-woman-wins-federal-lawsuit-after-being-fired-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine/
That's some good positive news
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That's some good positive news
Yes it is.
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San Francisco officials recommend wearing masks in some indoor spaces
Alex Baker
July 26, 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-officials-recommend-wearing-192207483.html
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Harris Campaign Requires Employees to Be ‘Up to Date’ on COVID-19 Vaccines
HANNAH KNUDSEN
16 Aug 2024
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/16/harris-campaign-requires-employees-to-be-up-to-date-on-covid-19-vaccines/
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By May 11, 2022, many more people in the US had died of COVID-19 under Biden and Kamala than under Trump:
"Most of those deaths, some 600,000, happened after Biden took office in January 2021 at the peak of a major wave of the disease."
(https://www.reuters.com/graphics/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/BIDEN/gdpzyaxzovw/graphic.jpg)
"Politically, Biden now owns the pandemic. He ran against Trump on a promise to take it more seriously, and he came into office with a plan to get Americans vaccinated and an attempt to show leadership on mask-wearing and mitigation efforts."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-marks-1-million-americans-dead-covid-2022-05-12/
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By May 11, 2022, many more people in the US had died of COVID-19 under Biden and Kamala than under Trump:
"Most of those deaths, some 600,000, happened after Biden took office in January 2021 at the peak of a major wave of the disease."
(https://www.reuters.com/graphics/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/BIDEN/gdpzyaxzovw/graphic.jpg)
"Politically, Biden now owns the pandemic. He ran against Trump on a promise to take it more seriously, and he came into office with a plan to get Americans vaccinated and an attempt to show leadership on mask-wearing and mitigation efforts."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-marks-1-million-americans-dead-covid-2022-05-12/
(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-07/240713-donald-trump-secret-service-rally-wm-323p-6d65b1.jpg)
These are interesting statistics, but not that relevant. Truthfully, the number of deaths from COVID during the pandemic was not something either of them had control over. There are multiple factors that contributed to those numbers and the timeline. It seems to both men over-promised the public. In their defense, often the public does not really want to know the truth, they want answers to questions that cannot be answered at the time. Many people also want someone to blame not just something which is likely intangible.
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These are interesting statistics, but not that relevant. Truthfully, the number of deaths from COVID during the pandemic was not something either of them had control over. There are multiple factors that contributed to those numbers and the timeline. It seems to both men over-promised the public. In their defense, often the public does not really want to know the truth, they want answers to questions that cannot be answered at the time. Many people also want someone to blame not just something which is likely intangible.
That didn't stop you, Biden, Kamala, and all the other libturds from criticizing Trump before the 2020 elections for his handling of the pandemic and blaming him for all the COVID deaths in the US up to that point. Biden and Kamala ran their campaign on that.
Turns out, Biden and Kamala obviously did a much worse job at handling the pandemic and at preventing COVID deaths in the US. They should own it, but they never will.
You missed the whole point. What is it with you today? You're way more off than usual. Are you abusing alcohol again?
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That didn't stop you, Biden, Kamala, and all the other libturds from criticizing Trump before the 2020 elections for his handling of the pandemic and blaming him for all the COVID deaths in the US up to that point. Biden and Kamala ran their campaign on that.
Turns out, Biden and Kamala obviously did a much worse job at handling the pandemic and at preventing COVID deaths in the US. They should own it, but they never will.
You missed the whole point. What is it with you today? You're way more off than usual. Are you abusing alcohol again?
That's the democrat MO. Blame the repubs when things look bad but when they look bad for dems, it was out of anyone's control and nothing could be done.
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That didn't stop you, Biden, Kamala, and all the other libturds from criticizing Trump before the 2020 elections for his handling of the pandemic and blaming him for all the COVID deaths in the US up to that point. Biden and Kamala ran their campaign on that.
Turns out, Biden and Kamala obviously did a much worse job at handling the pandemic and at preventing COVID deaths in the US. They should own it, but they never will.
You missed the whole point. What is it with you today? You're way more off than usual. Are you abusing alcohol again?
Not sure, but you may be who is off here. I assume you meant me where you wrote 'you' in the group of people who criticized Trump for his handling of the pandemic and blaming him for the COVID deaths. I do not recall ever doing this. Can you direct me to a post or posts where I blamed him for these things?
Am I abusing alcohol? I Don't think so. I am not sure I ever 'abused' alcohol beyond the couple of times as a teenager when I would get really plastered at a party. I monitor how much alcohol I drink because I believe it is a good idea to keep tabs on this and anything else that can become addictive.
Am I way more off than usual? Interesting. I had not noticed. Sometimes I get what someone intended wrong or misread their post. Most often when I am called on it, I accept the criticism if it is valid. As I did just a short while ago, today.
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That's the democrat MO. Blame the repubs when things look bad but when they look bad for dems, it was out of anyone's control and nothing could be done.
Exactly!
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Not sure, but you may be who is off here. I assume you meant me where you wrote 'you' in the group of people who criticized Trump for his handling of the pandemic and blaming him for the COVID deaths. I do not recall ever doing this. Can you direct me to a post or posts where I blamed him for these things?
Am I abusing alcohol? I Don't think so. I am not sure I ever 'abused' alcohol beyond the couple of times as a teenager when I would get really plastered at a party. I monitor how much alcohol I drink because I believe it is a good idea to keep tabs on this and anything else that can become addictive.
Am I way more off than usual? Interesting. I had not noticed. Sometimes I get what someone intended wrong or misread their post. Most often when I am called on it, I accept the criticism if it is valid. As I did just a short while ago, today.
The China Virus Emergency isnt over for you, it's still in full swing
Make sure you TEST for it with the highly accurate 1p plastic tester
from China ;D :D :D ;D :D ::)
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Teacher Who Won Court Battle after Refusing COVID Vaccine is Barred from School
By: Jason Walsh
September 4, 2024
https://www.dailyfetched.com/teacher-who-won-court-battle-after-refusing-covid-vaccine-is-barred-from-school/
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Well that took a minute.
Amazon is requiring workers to be in the office five days a week starting next year
ELUYA HADERO
Updated September 16, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/amazon-five-days-return-to-office-8cfa316bb5fc10c777b6bb6f05a4e74f
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The China Virus Emergency isnt over for you, it's still in full swing
Make sure you TEST for it with the highly accurate 1p plastic tester
from China ;D :D :D ;D :D ::)
The "Gobbler of Cokk" is afraid of his own shadow.
Spent a career arm deep in kid turds.
Whacked out of mind w/ degeneracy....
Bargles groin-gravy, throat "bathed in ball-butter".
Retarded people our GetBig libturds and TDS fuckktardz...
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Exclusive: Former NYC Covid Czar Held Secret Drug-Fueled Sex Parties During Global Pandemic
Brodigan
September 19, 2024
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/jay-varma-nyc-covid-czar
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Exclusive: Former NYC Covid Czar Held Secret Drug-Fueled Sex Parties During Global Pandemic
Brodigan
September 19, 2024
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/jay-varma-nyc-covid-czar
SCUM just like everyone involved in Government.
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SCUM just like everyone involved in Government.
Yep. Do as I say not as I do.
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Exclusive: Former NYC Covid Czar Held Secret Drug-Fueled Sex Parties During Global Pandemic
Brodigan
September 19, 2024
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/jay-varma-nyc-covid-czar
And the likes of Prime & agnostic believed all the 24/7 propaganda
& followed to the letter what was pumped out - and still cannot admit
they were taken for fools ::)
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And the likes of Prime & agnostic believed all the 24/7 propaganda
& followed to the letter what was pumped out - and still cannot admit
they were taken for fools ::)
The fool is the person who can't stop grousing about COVID. Guess who that is? ;)
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The fool is the person who can't stop grousing about COVID. Guess who that is? ;)
Nah. It's the person who wears a mask outdoors.
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Nah. It's the person who wears a mask outdoors.
Nah. It is the person going on and on and about what other folks who have no impact on them do.
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And the likes of Prime & agnostic believed all the 24/7 propaganda
& followed to the letter what was pumped out - and still cannot admit
they were taken for fools ::)
Likely all masked up for winter, Sheepppppppppppp!
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Likely all masked up for winter, Sheepppppppppppp!
No doubt they are. They've lost all ability to think for themselves
They're both now singing the praises of an unelected Kuntmala -
FFS they'd back a dead porcupine if it was the Pedocrats choice.
Way to go, losing there marbles.
No normal rational thought have they. ::)
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Still not following the science.
Kamala Harris campaign still mandating employees get COVID vax
By Jon Levine
Published Oct. 5, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/10/05/us-news/kamala-harris-campaign-still-mandating-employees-get-covid-vax/
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The fool is the person who can't stop grousing about COVID. Guess who that is? ;)
The Idiot is the folk that believed & went along with all the Baloney they were told & had multiple
Injections & still believes it was / is all Truth & Facts - Wearing a Fucking stupid Face Nappy & Not
Going out , or visiting people, hiding folk in a bedroom 🤣😂🤣 & thinking that was a excellent way
To stop an air borne Virus- Ring Any bells ?
That be you & you're still not man enough to admit you were taken for a Fool & acted like a
Prize Plonker.
Carry on Twisting & Turning & Living in Denial you were Had Over. 🤡
Oh & Explain to me how I'm not worse off/dead , than you & Did Fuck all of The Daft things You did. ??
I'll wait.................... ...........
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Still not following the science.
Kamala Harris campaign still mandating employees get COVID vax
By Jon Levine
Published Oct. 5, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/10/05/us-news/kamala-harris-campaign-still-mandating-employees-get-covid-vax/
As their employer, she has the right to do this.
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As their employer, she has the right to do this.
No she shouldn't have that Right to interfear with other people's bodies
Thats Nazi level wrong.
Fuck her & Her Nazi level authority Crap .
Don't tell me you think its right she should be able to do this ??
Do you also Back what the Nazi's did as it was for betterment of the population
Overall. ??
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As their employer, she has the right to do this.
That's your response?
Yes she has the right to do this. The questions are (1) should she do this and (2) is this indicative of the kind of judgment she would exercise as POTUS?
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As their employer, she has the right to do this.
No, she doesn't retard. NO ONE has the right to make people get ANYTHING forced into their body. She "made it" her right.
Like you forcing cokks down your throat...
Fukking tard...
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As their employer, she has the right to do this.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOM!
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No she shouldn't have that Right to interfear with other people's bodies
Thats Nazi level wrong.
Fuck her & Her Nazi level authority Crap .
Don't tell me you think its right she should be able to do this ??
Do you also Back what the Nazi's did as it was for betterment of the population
Overall. ??
What an amazingly idiotic comparison. ::) Being someone's employer is not even close to Nazism or Hitlerism. Hitler's genocide of 6 million was not better for the population, particularly not the Jewish population.
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What an amazingly idiotic comparison. ::) Being someone's employer is not even close to Nazism or Hitlerism. Hitler's genocide of 6 million was not better for the population, particularly not the Jewish population.
You may not like the comparison- only its as dictatorial as hitler was ,
What God given right has she to insist people take substances into their bodies
When they don't want to.
Hitler believed eliminating those he didn't like would be for the greater good of Germany
& the rest of Europe.
Oh the 6 million Jews is not accurate by a large margin - that figure has been though roughly
Debunked. Thats not to many Jews/ romany/ disabled & others weren't ruthlessly killed.
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As their employer, she has the right to do this.
People should have the right to choose for themselves & not discriminated or threatened with losing their job.
I've never been negative towards anyone I know who's pro vaccination but I always say people should also have the freedom of choice.
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People should have the right to choose for themselves & not discriminated or threatened with losing their job.
I've never been negative towards anyone I know who's pro vaccination but I always say people should also have the freedom of choice.
Very clearly that isn't what Prime believes or he would of stated that in a 5000
Word essay reply.
Whatever Kuntmala says he's fine with.
He lost all semblance of self rational thought.
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Very clearly that isn't what Prime believes or he would of stated that in a 5000
Word essay reply.
Whatever Kuntmala says he's fine with.
He lost all semblance of self rational thought.
One thing Covid did show me was how quickly people can be manipulated.
Even yesterday as I was out walking on a quite street I saw a woman wearing a mask.
It was raining too & windy.
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People should have the right to choose for themselves & not discriminated or threatened with losing their job.
I've never been negative towards anyone I know who's pro vaccination but I always say people should also have the freedom of choice.
Over thousands of years, smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people. Smallpox was highly infectious, with no known cure. Starting in the 1840's the smallpox vaccine was required by law in many countries worldwide. In 1979 smallpox was officially irradicated and in 1980 the vaccine was discontinued. In your opinion, would smallpox have gone away had there never been a vaccine requirement?
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One thing Covid did show me was how quickly people can be manipulated.
Even yesterday as I was out walking on a quite street I saw a woman wearing a mask.
It was raining too & windy.
I see some folks wearing masks whenever I am out in public. The choice is theirs and it has zero effect on me. So, I ask you, what is the problem with this? If I want to be allowed to choose not to wear a mask in public, shouldn't these folks be accorded the choice to wear one without discrimination?
Have we as a society really become this petty and judgmental of one another? Aren't there more important things to be concerned about?
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I see some folks wearing masks whenever I am out in public. The choice is theirs and it has zero effect on me. So, I ask you, what is the problem with this? If I want to be allowed to choose not to wear a mask in public, shouldn't these folks be accorded the choice to wear one without discrimination?
Have we as a society really become this petty and judgmental of one another? Aren't there more important things to be concerned about?
This isn't about whether people choose to wear face masks that do nothing to stop them from catching Covid. It's about government and employer mandates. Anyone who cares about individual liberty should be concerned about that.
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I see some folks wearing masks whenever I am out in public. The choice is theirs and it has zero effect on me. So, I ask you, what is the problem with this? If I want to be allowed to choose not to wear a mask in public, shouldn't these folks be accorded the choice to wear one without discrimination?
"Have we as a society really become this petty and judgmental of one another? Aren't there more important things to be concerned about?"
Yes correct - What about Kuntmala acting like a dictator & demanding
people take an Injection they don't need or want ?
Such behaviour doesn't concern you then ??
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Yes correct - What about Kuntmala acting like a dictator & demanding
people take an Injection they don't need or want ?
Such behaviour doesn't concern you then ??
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As I already addressed in a previous post, being their employer, just like all employers, they have the authority to make rules for their employees, including requiring vaccines. So no, VP Harris’ behavior in this regard is of no concern to me.
Just curious, are you self-employed? I ask this because when you work for someone else, they are in charge and can institute various rules for employment, like coming to work on time, when and for how long employees get breaks, and whether they can leave the premises on said breaks. Any employee who does not like the terms of employment has the option of not accepting the position or quitting if they already work there.
My longtime employer required certain vaccines, such as the hepatitis B vaccine. They also mandated employees have a physical whenever they worked in or transferred to a position where their physical condition was important.
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As I already addressed in a previous post, being their employer, just like all employers, they have the authority to make rules for their employees, including requiring vaccines. So no, VP Harris’ behavior in this regard is of no concern to me.
Just curious, are you self-employed? I ask this because when you work for someone else, they are in charge and can institute various rules for employment, like coming to work on time, when and for how long employees get breaks, and whether they can leave the premises on said breaks. Any employee who does not like the terms of employment has the option of not accepting the position or quitting if they already work there.
My longtime employer required certain vaccines, such as the hepatitis B vaccine. They also mandated employees have a physical whenever they worked in or transferred to a position where their physical condition was important.
How did I Fucking know her Dictatorial behaviour would be just fine with you .
Now had it Been Donald you'd have a whole different view & a book to write
About how bad it was.
I smell Hypocrite.
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I see some folks wearing masks whenever I am out in public. The choice is theirs and it has zero effect on me. So, I ask you, what is the problem with this? If I want to be allowed to choose not to wear a mask in public, shouldn't these folks be accorded the choice to wear one without discrimination?
Have we as a society really become this petty and judgmental of one another? Aren't there more important things to be concerned about?
on a cold, windy, rainy day if she had a scarf around her neck & face it wouldn´t look odd...but an OP Mask ?
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Had it last week….it sucked
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How did I Fucking know her Dictatorial behaviour would be just fine with you .
Now had it Been Donald you'd have a whole different view & a book to write
About how bad it was.
I smell Hypocrite.
You are a funny guy, postulating what I would do in this situation. But you also are incorrect. If Donald required his employees be vaccinated as VP Kamala did with her hers, my response would be the same because what I wrote is correct.
Maybe if you blew your nose, it would improve your sense of smell... not that hypocrites have a particular odor. ;D
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on a cold, windy, rainy day if she had a scarf around her neck & face it wouldn´t look odd...but an OP Mask ?
What can I say? To each his own when it comes to rain and cold weather gear. ;D
If I were to guess why someone was wearing a mask today, it would be because they have a compromised immune system and cannot risk catching something like a virus. I mentioned this previously, but at the neighborhood liquor store, there are a couple of youngish clerks who always wear masks. I don’t know why they do, and I would never be so rude as to inquire even though it piques my curiosity.
During the COVID pandemic, masks were required here in most interior public places, so I wore one. Between my glasses fogging up and my claustrophobia making me feel anxious, doing so was a real pain. As a result, I only went out when absolutely necessary. And I was constantly pulling the mask down below my nose so I could breathe. Needless to say, I was thrilled when the mandates ended. When I saw folks driving around alone in their cars wearing masks, it cracked me up.
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What can I say? To each his own when it comes to rain and cold weather gear. ;D
If I were to guess why someone was wearing a mask today, it would be because they have a compromised immune system and cannot risk catching something like a virus. I mentioned this previously, but at the neighborhood liquor store, there are a couple of youngish clerks who always wear masks. I don’t know why they do, and I would never be so rude as to inquire even though it piques my curiosity.
During the COVID pandemic, masks were required here in most interior public places, so I wore one. Between my glasses fogging up and my claustrophobia making me feel anxious, doing so was a real pain. As a result, I only went out when absolutely necessary. And I was constantly pulling the mask down below my nose so I could breathe. Needless to say, I was thrilled when the mandates ended. When I saw folks driving around alone in their cars wearing masks, it cracked me up.
Here they became like a fashion accessory because they started making them in all colours & designs.
All just money making
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Had it last week….it sucked
Sorry to hear you had the flu.
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Here they became like a fashion accessory because they started making them in all colours & designs.
All just money making
I went with black masks.
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This isn't about whether people choose to wear face masks that do nothing to stop them from catching Covid. It's about government and employer mandates. Anyone who cares about individual liberty should be concerned about that.
True.
But also seeing people wear masks outside is concerning because it means they are broken people, or at the least are people who have been fooled, manipulated, or frightened by misinformation, lots of which came from our "trusted" sources. Institutions that we are supposed to rely on in a crisis have been proven to be just the opposite. Not having trust in our gov't institutions that are responsible to protect us leads to chaos, strife, and a potential collapse.
As for ANY institution mandating a Covid vaccine, it should be questioned, since it was proven to not stop transmission (or was even tested to see if it did), so given that, what could possibly be the reason for the mandate?
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True.
But also seeing people wear masks outside is concerning because it means they are broken people, or at the least are people who have been fooled, manipulated, or frightened by misinformation, lots of which came from our "trusted" sources. Institutions that we are supposed to rely on in a crisis have been proven to be just the opposite. Not having trust in our gov't institutions that are responsible to protect us leads to chaos, strife, and a potential collapse.
As for ANY institution mandating a Covid vaccine, it should be questioned, since it was proven to not stop transmission (or was even tested to see if it did), so given that, what could possibly be the reason for the mandate?
Prime believes everything they told - They wouldn't lie to Him.
Just ask him he will explain in great detail why he wasnt Fooled & made to behave like a Twat.
Mind he also believes wrestling is real & so is Father Christmas & Kuntmala
is intelligent & knows whats going on. ;D
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Prime believes everything they told - They wouldn't lie to Him.
Just ask him he will explain in great detail why he wasnt Fooled & made to behave like a Twat.
Mind he also believes wrestling is real & so is Father Christmas & Kuntmala
is intelligent & knows whats going on. ;D
Society is full is sheep, covid completely exposed the sheeple.
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Prime believes everything they told - They wouldn't lie to Him.
Just ask him he will explain in great detail why he wasnt Fooled & made to behave like a Twat.
Mind he also believes wrestling is real & so is Father Christmas & Kuntmala
is intelligent & knows whats going on. ;D
Wise people choose their battles. Wearing a mask and social distancing on occasion for less two years of my life, is not something worth fighting over. It's amusing that there are people like yourself who still make a big deal out of it almost three years later. No doubt, you'll still be ragging on about it until the day you croak. ::)
My son and I sometimes went to Portland wrestling back in the 70's and 80's. It was a hoot. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg/200px-Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg)
The 4th-century Christian bishop Saint Nicholas (who was a real person) is the patron saint of children and is the basis for the image of Santa Claus.
You have Father Christmas. (https://janeausten.co.uk/cdn/shop/articles/e5d805c0e9f1d8aba3149680a86ff480.jpg?v=1644857247)
In the States we have Santa Claus. (https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/poster/8/7.5/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/santa-claus-emerging-from-the-fireplace-on-christmas-eve-american-school.jpg)
Most children stop believing in Santa when they are somewhere between eight and nine years of age. I am no exception.
Trump claims VP Harris has a low IQ, and yet she graduated from Hastings Law School with a Juris Doctor degree (doctorate) and passed the Bar on her second try. While Trump went to Fordham first and later to Wharton Business school where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. At least fifteen of his business ventures have failed, six of them resulted in his filing bankruptcy. Hmmm, it seems he didn't learn much at Wharton. Maybe his daddy bought his degree for him with a hefty endowment to Wharton.
This lengthy answer is intentionally meant for you because you so love to comment on them.
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Wise people choose their battles. Wearing a mask and social distancing on occasion for less two years of my life, is not something worth fighting over. It's amusing that there are people like yourself who still make a big deal out of it almost three years later. No doubt, you'll still be ragging on about it until the day you croak. ::)
My son and I sometimes went to Portland wrestling back in the 70's and 80's. It was a hoot. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg/200px-Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg)
The 4th-century Christian bishop Saint Nicholas (who was a real person) is the patron saint of children and is the basis for the image of Santa Claus.
You have Father Christmas. (https://janeausten.co.uk/cdn/shop/articles/e5d805c0e9f1d8aba3149680a86ff480.jpg?v=1644857247)
In the States we have Santa Claus. (https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/poster/8/7.5/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/santa-claus-emerging-from-the-fireplace-on-christmas-eve-american-school.jpg)
Most children stop believing in Santa when they are somewhere between eight and nine years of age. I am no exception.
Trump claims VP Harris has a low IQ, and yet she graduated from Hastings Law School with a Juris Doctor degree (doctorate) and passed the Bar on her second try. While Trump went to Fordham first and later to Wharton Business school where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. At least fifteen of his business ventures have failed, six of them resulted in his filing bankruptcy. Hmmm, it seems he didn't learn much at Wharton. Maybe his daddy bought his degree for him with a hefty endowment to Wharton.
This lengthy answer is intentionally meant for you because you so love to comment on them.
Only you are not wise at all - just a Big Fool.
Back up your idiotic behaviour for 2 years with Facts & Truth.
You cannot as there were None. Fool.
And yes I will always remind you & others of there stupidity- you don't like being
Reminded you were stupid enough to fall for it all.
Tough fucking luck - maybe next time you'll not be so Fucking Daft.
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Wise people choose their battles. Wearing a mask and social distancing on occasion for less two years of my life, is not something worth fighting over. It's amusing that there are people like yourself who still make a big deal out of it almost three years later. No doubt, you'll still be ragging on about it until the day you croak. ::)
My son and I sometimes went to Portland wrestling back in the 70's and 80's. It was a hoot. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg/200px-Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg)
The 4th-century Christian bishop Saint Nicholas (who was a real person) is the patron saint of children and is the basis for the image of Santa Claus.
You have Father Christmas. (https://janeausten.co.uk/cdn/shop/articles/e5d805c0e9f1d8aba3149680a86ff480.jpg?v=1644857247)
In the States we have Santa Claus. (https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/poster/8/7.5/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/santa-claus-emerging-from-the-fireplace-on-christmas-eve-american-school.jpg)
Most children stop believing in Santa when they are somewhere between eight and nine years of age. I am no exception.
Trump claims VP Harris has a low IQ, and yet she graduated from Hastings Law School with a Juris Doctor degree (doctorate) and passed the Bar on her second try. While Trump went to Fordham first and later to Wharton Business school where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. At least fifteen of his business ventures have failed, six of them resulted in his filing bankruptcy. Hmmm, it seems he didn't learn much at Wharton. Maybe his daddy bought his degree for him with a hefty endowment to Wharton.
This lengthy answer is intentionally meant for you because you so love to comment on them.
Criticizing Mr. Trumps business acumen after serving as a janitor your entire career. WHOA!!!!! Beyond help!
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Wise people choose their battles. Wearing a mask and social distancing on occasion for less two years of my life, is not something worth fighting over. It's amusing that there are people like yourself who still make a big deal out of it almost three years later. No doubt, you'll still be ragging on about it until the day you croak. ::)
My son and I sometimes went to Portland wrestling back in the 70's and 80's. It was a hoot. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg/200px-Pacific_Northwest_Wrestling_%28logo%29.jpg)
The 4th-century Christian bishop Saint Nicholas (who was a real person) is the patron saint of children and is the basis for the image of Santa Claus.
You have Father Christmas. (https://janeausten.co.uk/cdn/shop/articles/e5d805c0e9f1d8aba3149680a86ff480.jpg?v=1644857247)
In the States we have Santa Claus. (https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/poster/8/7.5/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/santa-claus-emerging-from-the-fireplace-on-christmas-eve-american-school.jpg)
Most children stop believing in Santa when they are somewhere between eight and nine years of age. I am no exception.
Trump claims VP Harris has a low IQ, and yet she graduated from Hastings Law School with a Juris Doctor degree (doctorate) and passed the Bar on her second try. While Trump went to Fordham first and later to Wharton Business school where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. At least fifteen of his business ventures have failed, six of them resulted in his filing bankruptcy. Hmmm, it seems he didn't learn much at Wharton. Maybe his daddy bought his degree for him with a hefty endowment to Wharton.
This lengthy answer is intentionally meant for you because you so love to comment on them.
Hmmmm what’s that you were saying about wise people ???
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 🤡
Go on Dispute it ……………………. Fool
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Only you are not wise at all - just a Big Fool.
Back up your idiotic behaviour for 2 years with Facts & Truth.
You cannot as there were None. Fool.
And yes I will always remind you & others of there stupidity- you don't like being
Reminded you were stupid enough to fall for it all.
Tough fucking luck - maybe next time you'll not be so Fucking Daft.
Says the person who apparently does not know the difference between 'there' and 'their'. If you want to see stupid, look in the mirror.
BTW, you would not know facts and truths if they bit you in the ass.
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Says the person who apparently does not know the difference between 'there' and 'their'. If you want to see stupid, look in the mirror.
BTW, you would not know facts and truths if they bit you in the ass.
Would you care to educate me on the Truth & Facts about the China Virus
& The Death Vaccine ?? .......................
Oh !& last time I checked This Forum was Getbig & Not English Grammar & Spelling.
HTH ;D
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Would you care to educate me on the Truth & Facts about the China Virus
& The Death Vaccine ?? .......................
Oh !& last time I checked This Forum was Getbig & Not English Gammer & Spelling.
HTH ;D
No.
Although they are both spelled correctly, there and their have entirely different meanings. Not knowing the meaning of a word could be seen as ignorant or 'stupid,' IMO. But then, my guess is that from your point of view, it was okay for you to call me stupid but not okay for me to point out when something you wrote was stupid. -Seems like a rather one-sided point of view, wouldn't you say?
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No.
Although they are both spelled correctly, there and their have entirely different meanings. Not knowing the meaning of a word could be seen as ignorant or 'stupid,' IMO. But then, my guess is that from your point of view, it was okay for you to call me stupid but not okay for me to point out when something you wrote was stupid. -Seems like a rather one-sided point of view, wouldn't you say?
So you won't discuss Facts & Truth Why not what are you afraid of ??
You've frequently called me many things ... 🤷🏻♂️
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Americans outraged as hospitals bring back COVID-era mask mandates for visitors and patients
By Luke Andrews Senior Health Reporter For Dailymail.Com
Published: 1 November 2024
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14029871/hospital-covid-mask-mandates-visitors-patients-monterey-california.html
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Covid vaccines ‘saved far fewer lives than first thought’
New study suggests original estimate that 14 million people were saved was too high
Sarah Knapton
Science Editor
25 July 2025
https://archive.is/9iKyF#selection-2117.4-3177.15
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Covid vaccines ‘saved far fewer lives than first thought’
New study suggests original estimate that 14 million people were saved was too high
Sarah Knapton
Science Editor
25 July 2025
https://archive.is/9iKyF#selection-2117.4-3177.15
The majority of us here knew this.
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The majority of us here knew this.
We best check that with Mr Google Expert Prime as He's 100% that paper face nappies
& the death shots work as well as all the other ridiculous things they had him & many
Other idiots doing.
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Mr. Jack
@MrJack6590
Joe Rogan just hosted the most censored doctor in America.
Dr. Mary Bowden exposed what really happened during COVID—and the cover-up runs deeper than you think.
Here are 8 shocking takeaways they never wanted you to hear: 🧵
https://x.com/MrJack6590/status/1952581930685472788
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COVID wave washes over California. Some officials urge residents to mask up
Rong-Gong Lin II
September 3, 2025
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/covid-wave-washes-over-california-100000071.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jaXRpemVuZnJlZXByZXNzLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABPuYOtAZ9aRhM_ahiEp8ffXCtcGJeKytmBQCwxCdCx9bu3h1igBuHYN7WmaIMuqMiBQtbykbrhHaJ0Rg6799IA1WFr7li12viyxmU08N7CHVRv__6uZ07KWM4S70ekACmKlWWVsKXsoOa48iupj9j3FE9-oRlaEJHGytbMUGyWY&guccounter=2
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COVID wave washes over California. Some officials urge residents to mask up
Rong-Gong Lin II
September 3, 2025
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/covid-wave-washes-over-california-100000071.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jaXRpemVuZnJlZXByZXNzLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABPuYOtAZ9aRhM_ahiEp8ffXCtcGJeKytmBQCwxCdCx9bu3h1igBuHYN7WmaIMuqMiBQtbykbrhHaJ0Rg6799IA1WFr7li12viyxmU08N7CHVRv__6uZ07KWM4S70ekACmKlWWVsKXsoOa48iupj9j3FE9-oRlaEJHGytbMUGyWY&guccounter=2
FFS The retarded sheep like will be wearing identifying paper Nappies on their
Face all over again.
😂🤣😂🤣
Prime is getting his ready now. ;D
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The level of stupid in this thread is next level shit.
You have a blatant narc in illuminati who likely has body dysmorphia and thinks science is a cabal only present in the united states intended to control everything you do.
mRNA vaccines might be the ticket to curing cancer. Hard to say but the tech is wild and its wild how they figured it out. mouth breathers will likely assert that they need to know everything right now and any mistakes or failed hypothesis prove pernicious intentions.
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FFS The retarded sheep like will be wearing identifying paper Nappies on their
Face all over again.
😂🤣😂🤣
Prime is getting his ready now. ;D
Here we go again. ::) Anything to derail Trump.
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Offering free C-19 shots year-round might what's really impacting supply this time of year.
It's from the LA Times - did someone hit the wrong gong? :D
https://www.aol.com/news/people-cant-covid-vaccines-cases-100000039.html
People can't get COVID vaccines as cases surge. Anger is building against Trump
Every year around this time, like clockwork, Marty Lazniarz would plan to get his regular COVID-19 vaccine — essential protection before heading out on a trip.
But this year, trying to get his routine shot has been anything but.
The 70-year-old retiree from Long Beach said it has been frustratingly difficult to get a COVID vaccine on time this year because of how the Trump administration has effectively postponed delivery of the shots, and made it harder for people to get them.
"The amount of confusion surrounding availability of the new vaccine has been maddening," said Lazniarz, who lost his best friend to COVID a year and a half ago.
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FFS The retarded sheep like will be wearing identifying paper Nappies on their
Face all over again.
😂🤣😂🤣
Prime is getting his ready now. ;D
You betcha! (https://media.tenor.com/kTR36-VVl14AAAAM/michael-scott-wink.gif)
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You betcha! (https://media.tenor.com/kTR36-VVl14AAAAM/michael-scott-wink.gif)
well you've at least made some progress
as you now acknowledge you're a Retarded Sheep like person.
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well you've at least made some progress
as you now acknowledge you're a Retarded Sheep like person.
You sound like every republican from the south.
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You sound like every republican from the south.
Illuminati may sound like these folks, but he is not one of them, as he is neither from the South, (at least not currently) nor is he a Republican. He possibly is a Tory though. :)
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well you've at least made some progress
as you now acknowledge you're a Retarded Sheep like person.
And I will be a content sheep-like person, whereas you will always be a miserable person no matter what.
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Illuminati may sound like these folks, but he is not one of them, as he is neither from the South, (at least not currently) nor is he a Republican. He possibly is a Tory though. :)
Central England
As for Tory nope they went soft & abandoned many Tory values
they're a slightly watered down Disgusting Traitorous Liebour party
UK politics ? politicians are a mess & have been indoctrinated by
Leftists,Globalism & Traitors
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And I will be a content sheep-like person,
Typical liberal
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Typical liberal
Better this that miserable like Illuminati is.
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Better this that miserable like Illuminati is.
'Better this that miserable like Illuminati is'
That sentence doesn't make sense, try again ::)
Also I'm far from being miserable - Yes I have down days, thankfully they're
Becoming less & less frequent.
I'm not a Brainwashed China virus 19 Scared person or Delusional Liberal leftist
If I were then yes I'd be very Fcuking Miserable.
Like you are.
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'Better this that miserable like Illuminati is'
That sentence doesn't make sense, try again ::)
Also I'm far from being miserable - Yes I have down days, thankfully they're
Becoming less & less frequent.
I'm not a Brainwashed China virus 19 Scared person or Delusional Liberal leftist
If I were then yes I'd be very Fcuking Miserable.
Like you are.
You are right. It does not. Thanks for catching this. 'That' should have been 'than.' -Must be senility creeping in -- or a typo. ;D
I am happy to read that your down days are becoming less frequent. I too have moments when I feel depressed. But this is an extremely rare occurrence. And neither the good times nor the bad moments are affected by me being liberal or left leaning. If I were delusional, this would make all my days excellent days. Why would I delude myself into feeling bad?
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Children’s Health Defense
@ChildrensHD
Fauci said the shot would add to natural immunity.
The reality? It weakened it.
The vaccine antibodies hijack the virus, blocking your natural ones (the ones that actually work).
The result? Lower immunity. More sickness.
Fauci’s advice didn’t just fail—it left people worse off.
Why are people are still taking this shot?
https://x.com/ChildrensHD/status/1973372699251552566
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Todd McFarlane said last week that natural immunity was "debunked".
Hollywood is it's own planet.
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Children’s Health Defense
@ChildrensHD
Fauci said the shot would add to natural immunity.
The reality? It weakened it.
The vaccine antibodies hijack the virus, blocking your natural ones (the ones that actually work).
The result? Lower immunity. More sickness.
Fauci’s advice didn’t just fail—it left people worse off.
Why are people are still taking this shot?
https://x.com/ChildrensHD/status/1973372699251552566
Fauci fucked the aids epidemic up as well.
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Fauci fucked the aids epidemic up as well.
If people could get past their TDS, they'd realize the folks behind Biden's autopen gave Fauci a pre-emptive pardon for a reason.
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If people could get past their TDS, they'd realize the folks behind Biden's autopen gave Fauci a pre-emptive pardon for a reason.
You can see by the liberal comments on getbig how brainwashed they are. I've never seen anything like it. I look forward to the movies that are made about this time period in our history.
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You can see by the liberal comments on getbig how brainwashed they are. I've never seen anything like it. I look forward to the movies that are made about this time period in our history.
It is a sight to see but it's even worse on places like Quora and Reddit.
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Children’s Health Defense
@ChildrensHD
Fauci said the shot would add to natural immunity.
The reality? It weakened it.
The vaccine antibodies hijack the virus, blocking your natural ones (the ones that actually work).
The result? Lower immunity. More sickness.
Fauci’s advice didn’t just fail—it left people worse off.
Why are people are still taking this shot?
https://x.com/ChildrensHD/status/1973372699251552566
This may be the dumbest post on getbig, the vaccines antibodies hijack the virus, blocking your natural ones lololol
You realize natural immunity is getting infected right? vaccines are controlled infection.The antibodies aren't different.
This guy is spouting bullshit
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know
Show me the study he is talking about
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You can see by the liberal comments on getbig how brainwashed they are. I've never seen anything like it. I look forward to the movies that are made about this time period in our history.
Trump pardons: "He's corrupt"
Biden pardons family: "He had to to protect against Trump"
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You can see by the liberal comments on getbig how brainwashed they are. I've never seen anything like it. I look forward to the movies that are made about this time period in our history.
Are you suggesting movies provide a more accurate accounting of historic events? "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life", Oscar Wilde. News delivers timely facts about current events, while documentaries offer in-depth exploration of specific topics. Both the news and documentaries have issues with maintaining objectivity due to personal biases and external pressures.
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Fauci fucked the aids epidemic up as well.
Yep. Amazing that he kept his job for so long.
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If people could get past their TDS, they'd realize the folks behind Biden's autopen gave Fauci a pre-emptive pardon for a reason.
I don't even know how it's possible to give someone a preemptive pardon.
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Are you suggesting movies provide a more accurate accounting of historic events? "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life", Oscar Wilde. News delivers timely facts about current events, while documentaries offer in-depth exploration of specific topics. Both the news and documentaries have issues with maintaining objectivity due to personal biases and external pressures.
Movies? You mean like the one made by the January 6 commission, which used actual Hollywood directors/producers, spliced clips, and music?
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I don't even know how it's possible to give someone a preemptive pardon.
Apparently, this is possible because U.S. presidents have the authority to issue preemptive pardons for federal offenses that have already occurred, but for which no charges have yet been filed.
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Apparently, this is possible because U.S. presidents have the authority to issue preemptive pardons for federal offenses that have already occurred, but for which no charges have yet been filed.
Says who?
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Says who?
Says Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which grants the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States.
Article II Executive Branch
Section 2 Powers
Clause 1 Military, Administrative, and Clemency
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-2
The Supreme Court:
Ex parte Garland (1866): The Supreme Court affirmed that the president's power to pardon is broad and can be exercised "after the commission of an offense," but not for future offenses.
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Says Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which grants the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States.
Article II Executive Branch
Section 2 Powers
Clause 1 Military, Administrative, and Clemency
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-2
Which part of Article II says the pardon power applies to offenses someone has not been charged with?
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Which part of Article II says the pardon power applies to offenses someone has not been charged with?
As interpreted by the Supreme Court, all of Article II, section 2 applies.
Apparently, you missed part of my previous post which refers to The Supreme Court's take on this:
Ex parte Garland (1866): The Supreme Court affirmed that the president's power to pardon is broad and can be exercised "after the commission of an offense," but not for future offenses. Note: the Anthony Fauci preemptive pardon, issued in January 2025, was a blanket clemency for any potential federal offenses Fauci may have committed during his public service between January 1, 2014, and the date of the pardon.
The phrase "Offenses against the United States" is broad enough to include offenses for which a person has not yet been charged.
The Supreme Court has confirmed the broad scope of this power, noting that a pardon "blots out the offense" and can cover all types of pardons known at common law.
As a result of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic which held a hearing titled “A Hearing with Dr. Anthony Fauci" in 2024, has Dr. Fauci been charged with crimes? If a Presidential preemptive pardon is not valid as you suggest, why has he not been so charged?
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You missed part of my previous post which refers The Supreme Court:
Ex parte Garland (1866): The Supreme Court affirmed that the president's power to pardon is broad and can be exercised "after the commission of an offense," but not for future offenses. Note: the Anthony Fauci preemptive pardon, issued in January 2025, was a blanket clemency for any potential federal offenses Fauci may have committed during his public service between January 1, 2014, and the date of the pardon.
The phrase "Offenses against the United States" is broad enough to include offenses for which a person has not yet been charged.
The Supreme Court has confirmed the broad scope of this power, noting that a pardon "blots out the offense" and can cover all types of pardons known at common law.
Link please. I'd like to read exactly where you are getting this from.
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Link please. I'd like to read exactly where you are getting this from.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/%5B%27pardon%27,%20%27constitution%27%5D#:~:text=In%20the%201886%20case%20Ex,alter%20it%20with%20certain%20conditions.
"In the 1886 case Ex parte Garland, the Court referred to the President’s authority to pardon as unlimited except in cases of impeachment, extending to every offence known to the law and able to be exercised either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.3 Much later, the Court wrote that the broad power conferred in the Constitution gives the President plenary authority to 'forgive’ [a] convicted person in part or entirely, to reduce a penalty in terms of a specified number of years, or to alter it with certain conditions."
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https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/%5B%27pardon%27,%20%27constitution%27%5D#:~:text=In%20the%201886%20case%20Ex,alter%20it%20with%20certain%20conditions.
"In the 1886 case Ex parte Garland, the Court referred to the President’s authority to pardon as unlimited except in cases of impeachment, extending to every offence known to the law and able to be exercised either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.3 Much later, the Court wrote that the broad power conferred in the Constitution gives the President plenary authority to 'forgive’ [a] convicted person in part or entirely, to reduce a penalty in terms of a specified number of years, or to alter it with certain conditions."
Thanks. I read it. This is helpful. I think this part actually supports the "preemptive" pardon:
"Beyond textual limits, certain external constitutional and legal considerations may act as constraints on the power. For instance, the Court has indicated that the power may be exercised at any time after [an offense’s] commission,8 reflecting that the President may not preemptively immunize future criminal conduct."
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Children’s Health Defense
@ChildrensHD
Fauci said the shot would add to natural immunity.
The reality? It weakened it.
The vaccine antibodies hijack the virus, blocking your natural ones (the ones that actually work).
The result? Lower immunity. More sickness.
Fauci’s advice didn’t just fail—it left people worse off.
Why are people are still taking this shot?
https://x.com/ChildrensHD/status/1973372699251552566
Prime will disagree with you he's right now feverishly Googling
long articles to copy & paste on here ::)
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Thanks. I read it. This is helpful. I think this part actually supports the "preemptive" pardon:
"Beyond textual limits, certain external constitutional and legal considerations may act as constraints on the power. For instance, the Court has indicated that the power may be exercised at any time after [an offense’s] commission,8 reflecting that the President may not preemptively immunize future criminal conduct."
Glad you were able to decipher this out of all the legal jargon. I had to read it over several times and frankly it was still rather confusing. But then, I am neither a legal or constitutional expert, just an ordinary person trying to understand this.
One thing about constitutions and bylaws I have noticed is the more they are amended the more complicated they are to make sense out of. Every year prior to the Oregon School Employees Association conference (OSEA) members and chapters submit resolutions which when passed at conference change the language in the OSEA constitution, usually adding more language intended to clarify the constitution and bylaws. Rather than clarify these "amendments" often have the opposite affect.
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EXCLUSIVE: Trump Nixes COVID-19-Era ‘Regulatory Burden’ on Early Education Program
Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell | December 19, 2025
https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/12/19/exclusive-trump-nixes-covid-era-regulatory-burden-on-early-education-program/
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Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VigilantFox
Bill Maher Delivers a Brutal Message to the COVID “Experts” Who Got It Wrong
“A lot of the dissenting opinions that were suppressed and ridiculed at the time have proven to be CORRECT.”
This includes, but is not limited to:
• COVID came from a lab
• Ivermectin worked
• Masks offered no benefit and were harmful
• Should have never kept kids out of school
• Natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity
• Long COVID is often a symptom of long vax
• Hospitals murdered COVID patients
• COVID fatality rate and death count were highly inflated
• Unvaccinated were scapegoated for the failure of the shots
• Early treatment was suppressed to make way for a “vaccine”
• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
• Vaccine mandates are wrong
• More shots = more risk of infection
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/2012614508078916064
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Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VigilantFox
Bill Maher Delivers a Brutal Message to the COVID “Experts” Who Got It Wrong
“A lot of the dissenting opinions that were suppressed and ridiculed at the time have proven to be CORRECT.”
This includes, but is not limited to:
• COVID came from a lab
• Ivermectin worked
• Masks offered no benefit and were harmful
• Should have never kept kids out of school
• Natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity
• Long COVID is often a symptom of long vax
• Hospitals murdered COVID patients
• COVID fatality rate and death count were highly inflated
• Unvaccinated were scapegoated for the failure of the shots
• Early treatment was suppressed to make way for a “vaccine”
• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
• Vaccine mandates are wrong
• More shots = more risk of infection
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/2012614508078916064
Where is Prime or Agnostic to vehemently refute all of the above.
🤡 ' S
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Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VigilantFox
Bill Maher Delivers a Brutal Message to the COVID “Experts” Who Got It Wrong
“A lot of the dissenting opinions that were suppressed and ridiculed at the time have proven to be CORRECT.”
This includes, but is not limited to:
• COVID came from a lab
• Ivermectin worked
• Masks offered no benefit and were harmful
• Should have never kept kids out of school
• Natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity
• Long COVID is often a symptom of long vax
• Hospitals murdered COVID patients
• COVID fatality rate and death count were highly inflated
• Unvaccinated were scapegoated for the failure of the shots
• Early treatment was suppressed to make way for a “vaccine”
• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
• Vaccine mandates are wrong
• More shots = more risk of infection
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/2012614508078916064
his includes, but is not limited to:
• COVID came from a lab
- k
• Ivermectin worked
- studies show it doesn't work, cite your source
• Masks offered no benefit and were harmful
- harmful?
• Should have never kept kids out of school
- probably, in retrospect initially they were a strong vector for it as kids are. I would probably agree with this
• Natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity
- not sure what that even means, natural immunity carries the risk of death and higher incidence of sequalae. If you are saying it produces more antibodies, then obviously, hence the higher burden of disease
• Long COVID is often a symptom of long vax
- retarded
• Hospitals murdered COVID patients
- LOLOLOLOLOL
• COVID fatality rate and death count were highly inflated
-According to what data
• Unvaccinated were scapegoated for the failure of the shots
- not in any other country.
• Early treatment was suppressed to make way for a “vaccine”
- retarded
• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
- the studies were out there from the start you can see the risks, they were clearly stated. The rapid nature of the vaccine pushed by trump obviously skewed things
• Vaccine mandates are wrong
- in what sense
• More shots = more risk of infection
- data?
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
- incorrect. You realize tylenol is the number one cause of liver failure worldwide right? but its both safe and effective within a reasonable margin. It kills people daily.
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• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
- the studies were out there from the start you can see the risks, they were clearly stated.
This one is horseshit.
Folks pointing out the risks were vilified, demonetized/banned on social media, called conspiracy theorists, and labeled "anti-vaxxers". And this continued well into the Biden admin, and even today.
In addition, those who had legitimate vaccine injuries were ignored, and their stories were not amplified in the traditional media.
And when you message "safe and effective" ad-nauseum, the average person takes that as they don't have a chance of getting injured.
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
- incorrect. You realize tylenol is the number one cause of liver failure worldwide right? but its both safe and effective within a reasonable margin. It kills people daily.
So people get killed daily from taking one dose of tylenol, when taken in the correct dosage range? No, they don't.
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his includes, but is not limited to:
• COVID came from a lab
- k
• Ivermectin worked
- studies show it doesn't work, cite your source
• Masks offered no benefit and were harmful
- harmful?
• Should have never kept kids out of school
- probably, in retrospect initially they were a strong vector for it as kids are. I would probably agree with this
• Natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity
- not sure what that even means, natural immunity carries the risk of death and higher incidence of sequalae. If you are saying it produces more antibodies, then obviously, hence the higher burden of disease
• Long COVID is often a symptom of long vax
- retarded
• Hospitals murdered COVID patients
- LOLOLOLOLOL
• COVID fatality rate and death count were highly inflated
-According to what data
• Unvaccinated were scapegoated for the failure of the shots
- not in any other country.
• Early treatment was suppressed to make way for a “vaccine”
- retarded
• Risks of the jab were intentionally hidden from the public
- the studies were out there from the start you can see the risks, they were clearly stated. The rapid nature of the vaccine pushed by trump obviously skewed things
• Vaccine mandates are wrong
- in what sense
• More shots = more risk of infection
- data?
• COVID shots are neither safe nor effective
- incorrect. You realize tylenol is the number one cause of liver failure worldwide right? but its both safe and effective within a reasonable margin. It kills people daily.
Big pharma shill ^^^^
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COVID's long shadow looms over a new generation of college students
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/57/63/63/29310148/3/ratio3x2_1440.webp)
FILE: Students walk near the Sather Gate on the UC Berkeley campus in Berkeley, Calif., on Aug. 24, 2021.
By Madilynne Medina,
News Reporter
Jan 26, 2026
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/covid-cohort-college-students-21309223.php
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Meta-Analysis Cochrane Database Syst Rev
. 2022 Jun 21;6(6):CD015017. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3.
Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
Maria Popp 1, Stefanie Reis 1, Selina Schießer 1, Renate Ilona Hausinger 2, Miriam Stegemann 3, Maria-Inti Metzendorf 4, Peter Kranke 1, Patrick Meybohm 1, Nicole Skoetz 5, Stephanie Weibel 1
Affiliations Expand
PMID: 35726131 PMCID: PMC9215332 DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3
Abstract
Background: Ivermectin, an antiparasitic agent, inhibits the replication of viruses in vitro. The molecular hypothesis of ivermectin's antiviral mode of action suggests an inhibitory effect on severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in early stages of infection. Currently, evidence on ivermectin for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 treatment is conflicting.
Objectives: To assess the efficacy and safety of ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo, or any other proven intervention for people with COVID-19 receiving treatment as inpatients or outpatients, and for prevention of an infection with SARS-CoV-2 (postexposure prophylaxis).
Search methods: We searched the Cochrane COVID-19 Study Register, Web of Science (Emerging Citation Index and Science Citation Index), WHO COVID-19 Global literature on coronavirus disease, and HTA database weekly to identify completed and ongoing trials without language restrictions to 16 December 2021. Additionally, we included trials with > 1000 participants up to April 2022.
Selection criteria: We included randomized controlled trials (RCTs) comparing ivermectin to standard of care, placebo, or another proven intervention for treatment of people with confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, irrespective of disease severity or treatment setting, and for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Co-interventions had to be the same in both study arms. For this review update, we reappraised eligible trials for research integrity: only RCTs prospectively registered in a trial registry according to WHO guidelines for clinical trial registration were eligible for inclusion.
Data collection and analysis: We assessed RCTs for bias, using the Cochrane RoB 2 tool. We used GRADE to rate the certainty of evidence for outcomes in the following settings and populations: 1) to treat inpatients with moderate-to-severe COVID-19, 2) to treat outpatients with mild COVID-19 (outcomes: mortality, clinical worsening or improvement, (serious) adverse events, quality of life, and viral clearance), and 3) to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, development of COVID-19 symptoms, admission to hospital, mortality, adverse events and quality of life).
Main results: We excluded seven of the 14 trials included in the previous review version; six were not prospectively registered and one was non-randomized. This updated review includes 11 trials with 3409 participants investigating ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo. No trial investigated ivermectin for prevention of infection or compared ivermectin to an intervention with proven efficacy. Five trials treated participants with moderate COVID-19 (inpatient settings); six treated mild COVID-19 (outpatient settings). Eight trials were double-blind and placebo-controlled, and three were open-label. We assessed around 50% of the trial results as low risk of bias. We identified 31 ongoing trials. In addition, there are 28 potentially eligible trials without publication of results, or with disparities in the reporting of the methods and results, held in 'awaiting classification' until the trial authors clarify questions upon request. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in inpatient settings with moderate-to-severe disease We are uncertain whether ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo reduces or increases all-cause mortality at 28 days (risk ratio (RR) 0.60, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.14 to 2.51; 3 trials, 230 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or clinical worsening, assessed by participants with new need for invasive mechanical ventilation or death at day 28 (RR 0.82, 95% CI 0.33 to 2.04; 2 trials, 118 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or serious adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.55, 95% CI 0.07 to 35.89; 2 trials, 197 participants; very low-certainty evidence). Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus placebo may have little or no effect on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants discharged alive at day 28 (RR 1.03, 95% CI 0.78 to 1.35; 1 trial, 73 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.61 to 1.79; 3 trials, 228 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at 7 days (RR 1.12, 95% CI 0.80 to 1.58; 3 trials, 231 participants; low-certainty evidence). No trial investigated quality of life at any time point. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in outpatient settings with asymptomatic or mild disease Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo probably has little or no effect on all-cause mortality at day 28 (RR 0.77, 95% CI 0.47 to 1.25; 6 trials, 2860 participants; moderate-certainty evidence) and little or no effect on quality of life, measured with the PROMIS Global-10 scale (physical component mean difference (MD) 0.00, 95% CI -0.98 to 0.98; and mental component MD 0.00, 95% CI -1.08 to 1.08; 1358 participants; high-certainty evidence). Ivermectin may have little or no effect on clinical worsening, assessed by admission to hospital or death within 28 days (RR 1.09, 95% CI 0.20 to 6.02; 2 trials, 590 participants; low-certainty evidence); on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants with all initial symptoms resolved up to 14 days (RR 0.90, 95% CI 0.60 to 1.36; 2 trials, 478 participants; low-certainty evidence); on serious adverse events (RR 2.27, 95% CI 0.62 to 8.31; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.24, 95% CI 0.87 to 1.76; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at day 7 compared to placebo (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.69 to 1.48; 2 trials, 331 participants; low-certainty evidence). None of the trials reporting duration of symptoms were eligible for meta-analysis.
Authors' conclusions: For outpatients, there is currently low- to high-certainty evidence that ivermectin has no beneficial effect for people with COVID-19. Based on the very low-certainty evidence for inpatients, we are still uncertain whether ivermectin prevents death or clinical worsening or increases serious adverse events, while there is low-certainty evidence that it has no beneficial effect regarding clinical improvement, viral clearance and adverse events. No evidence is available on ivermectin to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this update, certainty of evidence increased through higher quality trials including more participants. According to this review's living approach, we will continually update our search.
This is the highest level evidence that we produce in medical research.
Guess people like dos equis live in la la land and get their medical advice from tik tok.
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Where is Prime or Agnostic to vehemently refute all of the above.
🤡 ' S
Why bother?
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Meta-Analysis Cochrane Database Syst Rev
. 2022 Jun 21;6(6):CD015017. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3.
Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
Maria Popp 1, Stefanie Reis 1, Selina Schießer 1, Renate Ilona Hausinger 2, Miriam Stegemann 3, Maria-Inti Metzendorf 4, Peter Kranke 1, Patrick Meybohm 1, Nicole Skoetz 5, Stephanie Weibel 1
Affiliations Expand
PMID: 35726131 PMCID: PMC9215332 DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3
Abstract
Background: Ivermectin, an antiparasitic agent, inhibits the replication of viruses in vitro. The molecular hypothesis of ivermectin's antiviral mode of action suggests an inhibitory effect on severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in early stages of infection. Currently, evidence on ivermectin for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 treatment is conflicting.
Objectives: To assess the efficacy and safety of ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo, or any other proven intervention for people with COVID-19 receiving treatment as inpatients or outpatients, and for prevention of an infection with SARS-CoV-2 (postexposure prophylaxis).
Search methods: We searched the Cochrane COVID-19 Study Register, Web of Science (Emerging Citation Index and Science Citation Index), WHO COVID-19 Global literature on coronavirus disease, and HTA database weekly to identify completed and ongoing trials without language restrictions to 16 December 2021. Additionally, we included trials with > 1000 participants up to April 2022.
Selection criteria: We included randomized controlled trials (RCTs) comparing ivermectin to standard of care, placebo, or another proven intervention for treatment of people with confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, irrespective of disease severity or treatment setting, and for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Co-interventions had to be the same in both study arms. For this review update, we reappraised eligible trials for research integrity: only RCTs prospectively registered in a trial registry according to WHO guidelines for clinical trial registration were eligible for inclusion.
Data collection and analysis: We assessed RCTs for bias, using the Cochrane RoB 2 tool. We used GRADE to rate the certainty of evidence for outcomes in the following settings and populations: 1) to treat inpatients with moderate-to-severe COVID-19, 2) to treat outpatients with mild COVID-19 (outcomes: mortality, clinical worsening or improvement, (serious) adverse events, quality of life, and viral clearance), and 3) to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, development of COVID-19 symptoms, admission to hospital, mortality, adverse events and quality of life).
Main results: We excluded seven of the 14 trials included in the previous review version; six were not prospectively registered and one was non-randomized. This updated review includes 11 trials with 3409 participants investigating ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo. No trial investigated ivermectin for prevention of infection or compared ivermectin to an intervention with proven efficacy. Five trials treated participants with moderate COVID-19 (inpatient settings); six treated mild COVID-19 (outpatient settings). Eight trials were double-blind and placebo-controlled, and three were open-label. We assessed around 50% of the trial results as low risk of bias. We identified 31 ongoing trials. In addition, there are 28 potentially eligible trials without publication of results, or with disparities in the reporting of the methods and results, held in 'awaiting classification' until the trial authors clarify questions upon request. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in inpatient settings with moderate-to-severe disease We are uncertain whether ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo reduces or increases all-cause mortality at 28 days (risk ratio (RR) 0.60, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.14 to 2.51; 3 trials, 230 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or clinical worsening, assessed by participants with new need for invasive mechanical ventilation or death at day 28 (RR 0.82, 95% CI 0.33 to 2.04; 2 trials, 118 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or serious adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.55, 95% CI 0.07 to 35.89; 2 trials, 197 participants; very low-certainty evidence). Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus placebo may have little or no effect on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants discharged alive at day 28 (RR 1.03, 95% CI 0.78 to 1.35; 1 trial, 73 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.61 to 1.79; 3 trials, 228 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at 7 days (RR 1.12, 95% CI 0.80 to 1.58; 3 trials, 231 participants; low-certainty evidence). No trial investigated quality of life at any time point. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in outpatient settings with asymptomatic or mild disease Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo probably has little or no effect on all-cause mortality at day 28 (RR 0.77, 95% CI 0.47 to 1.25; 6 trials, 2860 participants; moderate-certainty evidence) and little or no effect on quality of life, measured with the PROMIS Global-10 scale (physical component mean difference (MD) 0.00, 95% CI -0.98 to 0.98; and mental component MD 0.00, 95% CI -1.08 to 1.08; 1358 participants; high-certainty evidence). Ivermectin may have little or no effect on clinical worsening, assessed by admission to hospital or death within 28 days (RR 1.09, 95% CI 0.20 to 6.02; 2 trials, 590 participants; low-certainty evidence); on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants with all initial symptoms resolved up to 14 days (RR 0.90, 95% CI 0.60 to 1.36; 2 trials, 478 participants; low-certainty evidence); on serious adverse events (RR 2.27, 95% CI 0.62 to 8.31; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.24, 95% CI 0.87 to 1.76; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at day 7 compared to placebo (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.69 to 1.48; 2 trials, 331 participants; low-certainty evidence). None of the trials reporting duration of symptoms were eligible for meta-analysis.
Authors' conclusions: For outpatients, there is currently low- to high-certainty evidence that ivermectin has no beneficial effect for people with COVID-19. Based on the very low-certainty evidence for inpatients, we are still uncertain whether ivermectin prevents death or clinical worsening or increases serious adverse events, while there is low-certainty evidence that it has no beneficial effect regarding clinical improvement, viral clearance and adverse events. No evidence is available on ivermectin to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this update, certainty of evidence increased through higher quality trials including more participants. According to this review's living approach, we will continually update our search.
This is the highest level evidence that we produce in medical research.
Guess people like dos equis live in la la land and get their medical advice from tik tok.
What are you babbling about?
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Why bother?
Stupid answer as you bother with so much other stuff that's Trump or Loony Leftist related
& 99.9% of Getbig wish you didn't bother.
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Meta-Analysis Cochrane Database Syst Rev
. 2022 Jun 21;6(6):CD015017. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3.
Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
Maria Popp 1, Stefanie Reis 1, Selina Schießer 1, Renate Ilona Hausinger 2, Miriam Stegemann 3, Maria-Inti Metzendorf 4, Peter Kranke 1, Patrick Meybohm 1, Nicole Skoetz 5, Stephanie Weibel 1
Affiliations Expand
PMID: 35726131 PMCID: PMC9215332 DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub3
Abstract
Background: Ivermectin, an antiparasitic agent, inhibits the replication of viruses in vitro. The molecular hypothesis of ivermectin's antiviral mode of action suggests an inhibitory effect on severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in early stages of infection. Currently, evidence on ivermectin for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 treatment is conflicting.
Objectives: To assess the efficacy and safety of ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo, or any other proven intervention for people with COVID-19 receiving treatment as inpatients or outpatients, and for prevention of an infection with SARS-CoV-2 (postexposure prophylaxis).
Search methods: We searched the Cochrane COVID-19 Study Register, Web of Science (Emerging Citation Index and Science Citation Index), WHO COVID-19 Global literature on coronavirus disease, and HTA database weekly to identify completed and ongoing trials without language restrictions to 16 December 2021. Additionally, we included trials with > 1000 participants up to April 2022.
Selection criteria: We included randomized controlled trials (RCTs) comparing ivermectin to standard of care, placebo, or another proven intervention for treatment of people with confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, irrespective of disease severity or treatment setting, and for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Co-interventions had to be the same in both study arms. For this review update, we reappraised eligible trials for research integrity: only RCTs prospectively registered in a trial registry according to WHO guidelines for clinical trial registration were eligible for inclusion.
Data collection and analysis: We assessed RCTs for bias, using the Cochrane RoB 2 tool. We used GRADE to rate the certainty of evidence for outcomes in the following settings and populations: 1) to treat inpatients with moderate-to-severe COVID-19, 2) to treat outpatients with mild COVID-19 (outcomes: mortality, clinical worsening or improvement, (serious) adverse events, quality of life, and viral clearance), and 3) to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, development of COVID-19 symptoms, admission to hospital, mortality, adverse events and quality of life).
Main results: We excluded seven of the 14 trials included in the previous review version; six were not prospectively registered and one was non-randomized. This updated review includes 11 trials with 3409 participants investigating ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo. No trial investigated ivermectin for prevention of infection or compared ivermectin to an intervention with proven efficacy. Five trials treated participants with moderate COVID-19 (inpatient settings); six treated mild COVID-19 (outpatient settings). Eight trials were double-blind and placebo-controlled, and three were open-label. We assessed around 50% of the trial results as low risk of bias. We identified 31 ongoing trials. In addition, there are 28 potentially eligible trials without publication of results, or with disparities in the reporting of the methods and results, held in 'awaiting classification' until the trial authors clarify questions upon request. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in inpatient settings with moderate-to-severe disease We are uncertain whether ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo reduces or increases all-cause mortality at 28 days (risk ratio (RR) 0.60, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.14 to 2.51; 3 trials, 230 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or clinical worsening, assessed by participants with new need for invasive mechanical ventilation or death at day 28 (RR 0.82, 95% CI 0.33 to 2.04; 2 trials, 118 participants; very low-certainty evidence); or serious adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.55, 95% CI 0.07 to 35.89; 2 trials, 197 participants; very low-certainty evidence). Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus placebo may have little or no effect on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants discharged alive at day 28 (RR 1.03, 95% CI 0.78 to 1.35; 1 trial, 73 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.61 to 1.79; 3 trials, 228 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at 7 days (RR 1.12, 95% CI 0.80 to 1.58; 3 trials, 231 participants; low-certainty evidence). No trial investigated quality of life at any time point. Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 in outpatient settings with asymptomatic or mild disease Ivermectin plus standard of care compared to standard of care plus/minus placebo probably has little or no effect on all-cause mortality at day 28 (RR 0.77, 95% CI 0.47 to 1.25; 6 trials, 2860 participants; moderate-certainty evidence) and little or no effect on quality of life, measured with the PROMIS Global-10 scale (physical component mean difference (MD) 0.00, 95% CI -0.98 to 0.98; and mental component MD 0.00, 95% CI -1.08 to 1.08; 1358 participants; high-certainty evidence). Ivermectin may have little or no effect on clinical worsening, assessed by admission to hospital or death within 28 days (RR 1.09, 95% CI 0.20 to 6.02; 2 trials, 590 participants; low-certainty evidence); on clinical improvement, assessed by the number of participants with all initial symptoms resolved up to 14 days (RR 0.90, 95% CI 0.60 to 1.36; 2 trials, 478 participants; low-certainty evidence); on serious adverse events (RR 2.27, 95% CI 0.62 to 8.31; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); on any adverse events during the trial period (RR 1.24, 95% CI 0.87 to 1.76; 5 trials, 1502 participants; low-certainty evidence); and on viral clearance at day 7 compared to placebo (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.69 to 1.48; 2 trials, 331 participants; low-certainty evidence). None of the trials reporting duration of symptoms were eligible for meta-analysis.
Authors' conclusions: For outpatients, there is currently low- to high-certainty evidence that ivermectin has no beneficial effect for people with COVID-19. Based on the very low-certainty evidence for inpatients, we are still uncertain whether ivermectin prevents death or clinical worsening or increases serious adverse events, while there is low-certainty evidence that it has no beneficial effect regarding clinical improvement, viral clearance and adverse events. No evidence is available on ivermectin to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this update, certainty of evidence increased through higher quality trials including more participants. According to this review's living approach, we will continually update our search.
This is the highest level evidence that we produce in medical research.
Guess people like dos equis live in la la land and get their medical advice from tik tok.
Honest questions:
How does a study like this guarantee all participants are given the drug during the "early stage window" which is hypothesized when Ivermectin's viral disrupting mechanism is effective?
Was the dosage consistent across all these studies? I have read where the dosages were suboptimal in certain cases.
Do you put any validity into real world evidence provide by doctors who treated thousands of patients successfully utilizing ivermectin and other methods - steroids, etc?
Ivermectin has one the best safety profiles in terms of risk. Why were pharmacies not filling scripts for it even before all these studies were done? It's a "free shot", and doctors are supposed to try off label uses when other remedies are failing.
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Stupid answer as you bother with so much other stuff that's Trump or Loony Leftist related
& 99.9% of Getbig wish you didn't bother.
You do realize your response has nothing to do with your questions about COVID, don't you?
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You do realize your response has nothing to do with your questions about COVID, don't you?
YES - just doing what you always do when you reply 😊 👍🏻
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YES - just doing what you always do when you reply 😊 👍🏻
Yes - just doing what you always do when you reply. If I do it, I learned it from you.
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Yes - just doing what you always do when you reply. If I do it, I learned it from you.
Pathetic & lame reply.
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Pathetic & lame reply.
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As is yours.
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As is yours.
Ahhh yes of course ::) Not very good at coming up with your own
Original replies, you have to nigh on copy mine.
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Ahhh yes of course ::) Not very good at coming up with your own
Original replies, you have to nigh on copy mine.
Copying your replies is less of a waste of my time.
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What are you babbling about?
Providing you with facts and logic. I would like to help you with philosophy as well. PM if interested.
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Honest questions:
How does a study like this guarantee all participants are given the drug during the "early stage window" which is hypothesized when Ivermectin's viral disrupting mechanism is effective?
Was the dosage consistent across all these studies? I have read where the dosages were suboptimal in certain cases.
Do you put any validity into real world evidence provide by doctors who treated thousands of patients successfully utilizing ivermectin and other methods - steroids, etc?
Ivermectin has one the best safety profiles in terms of risk. Why were pharmacies not filling scripts for it even before all these studies were done? It's a "free shot", and doctors are supposed to try off label uses when other remedies are failing.
So this study isn't really a study, its a meta analysis which is a pooling of all the relevant studies, so basically everything that has been properly researched.
the type of studies were using the same methodology which found ivermectin to be effective as an anti-parasite medication amongst some other applications. The same method used to show its efficacy vs parasites has been found to show it's inefficacy against viruses. This would make sense of course as these invaders have different replication, agency, replication etc just like an antibiotic doesn't really help virus's.. you can't take penicillin for hiv.
This review is a special type thogh, its the pinnacle of meta analysis for several reasons, one being its very stringent on inclusion criteria and statistical methods used, its more thorough.
The dosage changes, as they do in all studies.
I do put validity into real world application, however, I am very aware of bias and placebo. Placebo can cause massive changes, it's that strong. It can alter stress hormones, immunological function, subjective wellness etc.. it appears when they control for this stuff in the studies, the real benefit of ivermectin is no better than placebo. That's the real benefit of studies like this, if you aren't a science guy, they control independent variables (like placebo by blinding etc), age, dosage to make sure the dependent variable (the actual efficacy of ivermectin) is clear. Even the best of studies can't completely control for things. That's where stats come in. Using statistical analysis studies usually have an alpha level of .01 or .05. What this means is using this mathematical formula the chance of getting the result you got, say ivermectin does work, would be a false positive at a 1 percent or 5 percent rate.
So you can say its highly likely this result, ivermectin works is true and it wasn't something we didnt control like the weather etc. Then you do 25 more studies and if you get the same result consistently your odds go up until its pretty much certain you measured what you think you measured. So in a field where suggestion causes monstrous changes on outcome, in fact like no other field (as we have a mind-body connection) real world results are actually less reliable then science. Vs a craft like carpentry- no amount of belief that wall is level will make it so.
To your last point. There are risks with using off label things in people. Say that person has covid, you give him ivermectin (which I agree is quite safe) he dies (because covid not ivermectin) you just opened yourself up to a malpractice lawsuit and loss of license. So in the absence of evidence even if its safe it's not standard care. That would be the pragmatic answer.
I wish it did work, it would be easy, way fucking cheaper then way pfizer has and a long history to bank on.
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So this study isn't really a study, its a meta analysis which is a pooling of all the relevant studies, so basically everything that has been properly researched.
the type of studies were using the same methodology which found ivermectin to be effective as an anti-parasite medication amongst some other applications. The same method used to show its efficacy vs parasites has been found to show it's inefficacy against viruses. This would make sense of course as these invaders have different replication, agency, replication etc just like an antibiotic doesn't really help virus's.. you can't take penicillin for hiv.
This review is a special type thogh, its the pinnacle of meta analysis for several reasons, one being its very stringent on inclusion criteria and statistical methods used, its more thorough.
The dosage changes, as they do in all studies.
I understood this was an aggregate of studies for sure. That's what led me to believe there would not be consistency between all of them. But I legit don't know, hence the question. I'm still not sure how it could be, or how they got everyone during "the window".......seems impossible.
I do put validity into real world application, however, I am very aware of bias and placebo. Placebo can cause massive changes, it's that strong. It can alter stress hormones, immunological function, subjective wellness etc.. it appears when they control for this stuff in the studies, the real benefit of ivermectin is no better than placebo. That's the real benefit of studies like this, if you aren't a science guy, they control independent variables (like placebo by blinding etc), age, dosage to make sure the dependent variable (the actual efficacy of ivermectin) is clear. Even the best of studies can't completely control for things. That's where stats come in. Using statistical analysis studies usually have an alpha level of .01 or .05. What this means is using this mathematical formula the chance of getting the result you got, say ivermectin does work, would be a false positive at a 1 percent or 5 percent rate.
100% agree on placebo
I was referring to docs who used Ivermectin in large sample sizes and had success/survival rates above the norm. I don't doubt the studies, however I cannot dismiss this. I think there needs to be more research. And, mind you, I'm not this huge "ivermectin surely works" guy, because how the fuck would I know. I just know there are plenty of real doctors who swear the opposite, and they don't have an agenda.
So you can say its highly likely this result, ivermectin works is true and it wasn't something we didnt control like the weather etc. Then you do 25 more studies and if you get the same result consistently your odds go up until its pretty much certain you measured what you think you measured. So in a field where suggestion causes monstrous changes on outcome, in fact like no other field (as we have a mind-body connection) real world results are actually less reliable then science. Vs a craft like carpentry- no amount of belief that wall is level will make it so.
There are always studies that contradict studies. And there are studies funded by certain entities to get the results they paid for. It's why I put no stock in anyone who says "studies show" and don't provide links. What you posted does seem to be a reasonable sample but like I said earlier, there are plenty of legit docs who say otherwise.
To your last point. There are risks with using off label things in people. Say that person has covid, you give him ivermectin (which I agree is quite safe) he dies (because covid not ivermectin) you just opened yourself up to a malpractice lawsuit and loss of license. So in the absence of evidence even if its safe it's not standard care. That would be the pragmatic answer.
I wish it did work, it would be easy, way fucking cheaper then way pfizer has and a long history to bank on.
Doctors take an oath to provide care at all costs to save a patient. Fear of lawsuit for use of ivermectin goes against that.
Regardless, pharmacists had no right to deny a doctor prescribing it, and that actually happened.
And that's not why it was vilified. It was vilified because they needed emergency use exception, and the government really wanted everyone to take the vaccine.
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This is fucked up. The Biden administration made up a law and sued this Doctor for $580 BILLION
https://fb.watch/EVlcm6ZKLi/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e
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Providing you with facts and logic. I would like to help you with philosophy as well. PM if interested.
I'm open-minded and always willing to learn, even from trolls like you. I will let you know if and when that happens.
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I'm open-minded and always willing to learn, even from trolls like you. I will let you know if and when that happens.
You are not, I know you think you are but you aren't. It's a major flaw.
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You are not, I know you think you are but you aren't. It's a major flaw.
LOL hypocrite ;D
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LOL hypocrite ;D
Yep - that's so funny coming from The Canadian Pronoun Boy.
China virus 19 is alive & well running rampant in his mind.
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LOL hypocrite ;D
Right? The next thing you know he's going to claim he's not a leftist and doesn't have TDS.
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Look at you boys flocking together like a pack of rabid dogs.
I offered kind, grandfatherly advice to the young man.
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Look at you boys flocking together like a pack of rabid dogs.
I offered kind, grandfatherly advice to the young man.
Enjoy shithole Canada, Negro!
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Enjoy shithole Canada, Negro!
i am white.
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i am white.
We don't claim you.
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I understood this was an aggregate of studies for sure. That's what led me to believe there would not be consistency between all of them. But I legit don't know, hence the question. I'm still not sure how it could be, or how they got everyone during "the window".......seems impossible.
They ensure it using mathematics, statistical analysis.
100% agree on placebo
I was referring to docs who used Ivermectin in large sample sizes and had success/survival rates above the norm. I don't doubt the studies, however I cannot dismiss this. I think there needs to be more research. And, mind you, I'm not this huge "ivermectin surely works" guy, because how the fuck would I know. I just know there are plenty of real doctors who swear the opposite, and they don't have an agenda.
ya but the groups in this scenario would be prone to bias and to heterogeneity. Basically if the sample is multiple people with no previous conditions and mostly 21 it would be highly skewed , the survival rate this is. I think the issue here, meant in no disrespect, if your lack of knoweldge of study methodology and statistics. These are relevant questions you are asking which are prescisely what studies set out to control for and have done so for a very long time
There are always studies that contradict studies. And there are studies funded by certain entities to get the results they paid for. It's why I put no stock in anyone who says "studies show" and don't provide links. What you posted does seem to be a reasonable sample but like I said earlier, there are plenty of legit docs who say otherwise.
There are different types of studies, retrospective, in vitro vs in vivo, longitudinal, RCT etc each has strengths and drawbacks, which are well known. Experts in the field know this and adjust claims based on the data's strength. I am not sure the studies funding has a huge impact, not in the way you think. Numerous pharma companies loose billions on drugs after the studies paid for by them fail to show benefit. there are overwatch groups (nothings perfect) and falsified studies would be a death blow to the company and to the people conducting the studies. To me this is tantamount to conspiracy theory
.Doctors take an oath to provide care at all costs to save a patient. Fear of lawsuit for use of ivermectin goes against that.
doctors take an oath to do no harm, using an unproven medication in a sick person vs not is avoiding potential harm for unknown benefits. That's not logical. Might as well try blood letting. You first don't do harm to the patient which includes not using meds based off of vibes
Regardless, pharmacists had no right to deny a doctor prescribing it, and that actually happened.
They do if there is contraindications, they cannot dispense medications that could cause harm
And that's not why it was vilified. It was vilified because they needed emergency use exception, and the government really wanted everyone to take the vaccine.
It doesn't have any evidence for efficacy, people can buy it and use it if they like and did. Vaccines are proven effective and have been around or a long time. They were simultaneously trialing anti-virals, they were looking at all avenues
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I don't have to take a long enough crap to read all this. What countries were these studies conducted in?
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They ensure it using mathematics, statistical analysis.
So please explain this. I do not know how studies work, but I'm pretty good with the math.
If you're simply saying the larger the sample size, the more statistically probable it becomes, I'm not sure I'm buying it in case of ensuring the "window" was hit.
I'm also aware of the fuckery involved with absolute v relative risk that is utilized by drug companies and the media to skew things, so I'm curious to see how this works.
And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything. But studies can be set up in a way to produce a desired result. For exampe, if the study uses a dose of a drug that is too low, they can claim their study showed no effect........then someone comes along and says "the drug had no effect".......but it might at a different dose, timing of administrations, etc
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And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything.
I am and anyone that claims otherwise is out of their fucking mind.
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I don't have to take a long enough crap to read all this. What countries were these studies conducted in?
Such a weird question.
all over the world.
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I am and anyone that claims otherwise is out of their fucking mind.
It would be easy to spot though, you dont think there are people who's job it is to review this stuff?
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So please explain this. I do not know how studies work, but I'm pretty good with the math.
If you're simply saying the larger the sample size, the more statistically probable it becomes, I'm not sure I'm buying it in case of ensuring the "window" was hit.
I'm also aware of the fuckery involved with absolute v relative risk that is utilized by drug companies and the media to skew things, so I'm curious to see how this works.
And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything. But studies can be set up in a way to produce a desired result. For exampe, if the study uses a dose of a drug that is too low, they can claim their study showed no effect........then someone comes along and says "the drug had no effect".......but it might at a different dose, timing of administrations, etc
For consistency and to reduce or explain heterogeneity, things like sub-group analysis, meta-regression, sensitivity analysis,random effects model etc are used for the actual variable its things such as Tau2 and I2 amongst other. Other methods such as linear regression analysis help tease apart multiple variables intrastudy. There are many others and many I don't understand as I am in medicine not a PHD or statistician so we are at the limit of my understanding at this point.
As for the window, what exactly do you mean when you say that?
As for your last point, any good discussion section of a study would highlight that. They are supposed to discuss the limits of the study, possible errors they made, things that should be studied, possible confounders etc. So they would say, the dosage may have been to low or the trial period to short. Another study would build on that until positive results (if any are found). Once found they then have to replicate and continue the process.
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It would be easy to spot though, you dont think there are people who's job it is to review this stuff?
Who pays those people?
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It would be easy to spot though, you dont think there are people who's job it is to review this stuff?
This statement could be extrapolated to infer fraud is impossible and never happens.
So I'm not sure this is a great counter.
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For consistency and to reduce or explain heterogeneity, things like sub-group analysis, meta-regression, sensitivity analysis,random effects model etc are used for the actual variable its things such as Tau2 and I2 amongst other. Other methods such as linear regression analysis help tease apart multiple variables intrastudy. There are many others and many I don't understand as I am in medicine not a PHD or statistician so we are at the limit of my understanding at this point.
As for the window, what exactly do you mean when you say that?
As for your last point, any good discussion section of a study would highlight that. They are supposed to discuss the limits of the study, possible errors they made, things that should be studied, possible confounders etc. So they would say, the dosage may have been to low or the trial period to short. Another study would build on that until positive results (if any are found). Once found they then have to replicate and continue the process.
Re: "window".
Those who are proponents of Ivermectin claim there is a limited window to administer the drug for it to be effective. Meaning, it's administered early enough in the lifecycle so that its anti-viral replicating abilities who take effect.
Conversely, they claim studies claiming ivermectin's ineffectiveness was because it was given after said window.
Hence, my question wondering how many of those studies adhered to those parameters. Those that didn't, could, in theory, be dismissed if you are taking the pro-ivermectin side.
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This statement could be extrapolated to infer fraud is impossible and never happens.
So I'm not sure this is a great counter.
In it's strong form sure, but colloquiallly it would just mean there are checks in balances in place to make sure it doesn't happen. Of course it does happen but its a very low percentage and is also tracked.
In it's strong form one could say it means that it never occurs but no one would ever suggest that as that's not how reality operates.
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Re: "window".
Those who are proponents of Ivermectin claim there is a limited window to administer the drug for it to be effective. Meaning, it's administered early enough in the lifecycle so that its anti-viral replicating abilities who take effect.
Conversely, they claim studies claiming ivermectin's ineffectiveness was because it was given after said window.
Hence, my question wondering how many of those studies adhered to those parameters. Those that didn't, could, in theory, be dismissed if you are taking the pro-ivermectin side.
I think without looking through all the studies to ascertain where in the life cycle the drugs were started the burden of proof would rest in the pro-ivermectin camp to prove that there is a window at all. In other anti-viral trials we have established when they need to be taken and for them not to work when infection is active is extremely rare- in retro viruses etc.
They have conducted studies with folks who test positive without symptoms, which would be about as early as one could reasonable do it, folks that have been likely "exposed". The drug didnt reduce infection rates or severity. The drug does have some anti-inflammatory effects as well so there may be benefit to certain populaitons.
Overall, if it worked, we would have seen a signal in some of the studies, there wasn't once the quality of the studies improved.
So if what the studies are showing is incorrect, is the argument then that big pharma is suppressing ivermectin and if so, why? because they can't patent it?
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I think without looking through all the studies to ascertain where in the life cycle the drugs were started the burden of proof would rest in the pro-ivermectin camp to prove that there is a window at all. In other anti-viral trials we have established when they need to be taken and for them not to work when infection is active is extremely rare- in retro viruses etc.
They have conducted studies with folks who test positive without symptoms, which would be about as early as one could reasonable do it, folks that have been likely "exposed". The drug didnt reduce infection rates or severity. The drug does have some anti-inflammatory effects as well so there may be benefit to certain populaitons.
Overall, if it worked, we would have seen a signal in some of the studies, there wasn't once the quality of the studies improved.
So if what the studies are showing is incorrect, is the argument then that big pharma is suppressing ivermectin and if so, why? because they can't patent it?
Big Pharma legit could be, just like they are supposedly currently doing with Peptides, but I wasn't really coming at it from that angle.
My issue with Ivermectin was more the demonization of it, along with other drugs/methods that doctors were employing in an attempt to save folks lives.
Especially given the extremely low risk of detrimental effects from it.
I don't want those trying to convey a revisionist history to be successful at it.
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Yes China virus 19 is most certainly alive & kicking
in the heads of Prime & Pronoun boy Necrosis of the brain.
I bet they saw those people wandering around like zombies & dropping
dead just like in the early news feeds from china & the boarding of folk
up in there homes
Strange that I & a lot of other folk I know were out & about in
towns & cities yet we never saw any of the zombies dying.
Hmmmmm I wonder if that could of be staged & just set up to
frighten folk - As it very soon disappeared from news Feeds.
Nah MSM / Big Pharma / Government would never do such a
thing to con people. ::) Believe that & you believe in Father
Christmas
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So if what the studies are showing is incorrect, is the argument then that big pharma is suppressing ivermectin and if so, why? because they can't patent it?
BINGO. Also they can't charge a premium or get the government to finance their R&D if an existing drug can help.
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Big Pharma legit could be, just like they are supposedly currently doing with Peptides, but I wasn't really coming at it from that angle.
My issue with Ivermectin was more the demonization of it, along with other drugs/methods that doctors were employing in an attempt to save folks lives.
Especially given the extremely low risk of detrimental effects from it.
I don't want those trying to convey a revisionist history to be successful at it.
They arent with regards to peptides, some of the peptides have very little research. The other blow to that argument is that the peptides they do sell like semaglutide, tirz are some of the best selling drugs in the world. There is no reason to suppress them. Tesamorelin is approved, thats a peptide and many other instances. CJC1295 was halted during research because someone died, people say they are holding that drug back.
If its being demonized because people are using it over effective treatments, then yes, it clearly should be. What other reason would they demonize it?
It's safe for sure.
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BINGO. Also they can't charge a premium or get the government to finance their R&D if an existing drug can help.
I was being sarcastic.
thats the only obvious motivation to do something like this.
What would disprove this position in your mind? I know what would in mine.
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They arent with regards to peptides, some of the peptides have very little research. The other blow to that argument is that the peptides they do sell like semaglutide, tirz are some of the best selling drugs in the world. There is no reason to suppress them. Tesamorelin is approved, thats a peptide and many other instances. CJC1295 was halted during research because someone died, people say they are holding that drug back.
I wasn't talking about the established ones - I was talking about the ones we've discussed - GLOW, KLOW, etc...
If its being demonized because people are using it over effective treatments, then yes, it clearly should be. What other reason would they demonize it?
It's safe for sure.
What were considered "effective treatments" when someone contracted covid?
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What would disprove this position in your mind? I know what would in mine.
I don't know. I have very little trust in the pharmaceutical industry.
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I wasn't talking about the established ones - I was talking about the ones we've discussed - GLOW, KLOW, etc...
What were considered "effective treatments" when someone contracted covid?
I know, my point was that those peptides have less research and applications. They are being studied but its not entirely clear what condition they could be approved for. Tesamorelin for example works for lipodystrophy in AIDS so it makes sense to push it, it has a clear indication. I think if they could make money they would do it. Something like BPC-157 for example, it might heal injuries faster or maybe guy stuff but it seems like a pretty general peptide and they need to prove it works for a condition which makes it hard. KPV was studied in IBD but the data was meh as another example.
WRT the effective treatment, back then proven anti-virals made more sense, but there wasn't one. Now there is paxlovid and a few others and the vaccines for prevention of severe illness.
I just don't think it works, I can't see why it would against this type of virus and not other viruses for example. When drugs are tested or created they are coming from immunological profiling (what type of virus, how it works etc) which is why hiv meds dont work for influenza (its a retro-virus). So we know about corona viruses, have the categorized etc. this was a new strain not seen before but still in the family so you had a starting point on what could/would work.
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I don't know. I have very little trust in the pharmaceutical industry.
What if, private companies did research and it matched exactly what the pharma companies found? what if other countries did the studies as well and replicated the data, surely that must mean it's not falsified unless everyone is in on it.
I would say that if a private company proved that ivermectin cured corona, that's a nobel, prestige and unlimited funding for life for various projects.
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What if, private companies did research and it matched exactly what the pharma companies found? what if other countries did the studies as well and replicated the data, surely that must mean it's not falsified unless everyone is in on it.
I would say that if a private company proved that ivermectin cured corona, that's a nobel, prestige and unlimited funding for life for various projects.
I think you SEVERELY underestimate the influence and power of the American pharma industry to suppress information that would impact their income and control.
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WRT the effective treatment, back then proven anti-virals made more sense, but there wasn't one. Now there is paxlovid and a few others and the vaccines for prevention of severe illness.
For a long time, there appeared to be no protocols. If you got covid, you treated it like the flu, and hoped it didn't progress to where you were hospitalized.
The only "protocol" I saw at the time was the Zelenko protocol which called for the following (AI summary since I forgot) but it never got to the mainstream:
Treat early — ideally within the first 5 days of symptoms, based on clinical suspicion (even before confirmatory PCR testing results).
Risk-stratified approach:
High-risk patients (e.g., older than 45, or younger with comorbidities like diabetes, obesity, heart disease, etc., or clinically unstable) received the full triple therapy (HCQ + azithromycin + zinc).
Low-risk patients (younger, healthy, no major comorbidities) often received supportive care plus over-the-counter supplements like zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D3, and sometimes quercetin (as a zinc ionophore alternative if HCQ was unavailable).
Later versions or updates (from protocols shared in documents around 2020–2021) sometimes included alternatives like doxycycline (instead of azithromycin), ivermectin, budesonide (inhaled steroid), higher-dose vitamin D, colchicine, blood thinners, or steroids like dexamethasone for more severe cases.
Monoclonial antibodies were tough to get, then were gone (I know becuase I tried).
I know you believe differently, but it just appears that there is a ton of real time doctor's testimony that hitting this early with a bunch of things limited hospitializations....but in summary, it does not appear to be a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of ivermectin, let alone vilify doctors, fire them etc......
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I think you SEVERELY underestimate the influence and power of the American pharma industry to suppress information that would impact their income and control.
But they loose money like crazy on drugs that just don't work after research. I realize there is politics but I think you are overestimating it.
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For a long time, there appeared to be no protocols. If you got covid, you treated it like the flu, and hoped it didn't progress to where you were hospitalized.
The only "protocol" I saw at the time was the Zelenko protocol which called for the following (AI summary since I forgot) but it never got to the mainstream:
Monoclonial antibodies were tough to get, then were gone (I know becuase I tried).
I know you believe differently, but it just appears that there is a ton of real time doctor's testimony that hitting this early with a bunch of things limited hospitializations....but in summary, it does not appear to be a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of ivermectin, let alone vilify doctors, fire them etc......
I don't necessarily disagree with your position, I was more so answering questions in the role of the medical community as an institution per se. I am a contrarian by nature so I will generally take the opposing position of others simply to argue/learn/debate/discuss.
There is definitely a place for intuition in medicine but there are reasonable arguments for not using it and it was studied. I just don't like the idea or subscribe to the idea that there is a cabal blocking this effective medication. It's conspiracy theory stuff.
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There is definitely a place for intuition in medicine but there are reasonable arguments for not using it and it was studied. I just don't like the idea or subscribe to the idea that there is a cabal blocking this effective medication. It's conspiracy theory stuff.
Normally I'd agree, but we have enough examples in recent history to show conspiracy theories are just as likely to be spoiler alerts instead of tinfoil hat stuff.
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Normally I'd agree, but we have enough examples in recent history to show conspiracy theories are just as likely to be spoiler alerts instead of tinfoil hat stuff.
they are far less likely to be true then more parsimonious answers. Occams razor is useful.
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But they loose money like crazy on drugs that just don't work after research. I realize there is politics but I think you are overestimating it.
"Loose" a few dollars and make billions...seems like a good deal to me. If you knew about business, that's exactly what the pharma industry is.
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they are far less likely to be true then more parsimonious answers. Occams razor is useful.
Occams razor can be applied to both sides of this issue.
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"Loose" a few dollars and make billions...seems like a good deal to me. If you knew about business, that's exactly what the pharma industry is.
they do lose money quite often on big failures in drug trials.
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Occams razor can be applied to both sides of this issue.
The idea itself serves parsimony. If you lay out both arguments, it's clear which one makes the most assumptions.
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they do lose money quite often on big failures in drug trials.
And they do make billions on medication that is forced on people. What's your point?
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they do lose money quite often on big failures in drug trials.
I did a five year stint in pharmacy financial planning, and went through the period where the pharmacies were basically printing money during what they called the "sweet spot", when a drug would go generic, but the PBMs would over compensate since they were clueless to what the actual cost of the drug was, due to the odd nature of the business (manufacturers selling to wholesalers, wholesalers selling to pharmacies, manufactures kicking back rebates outside of the wholesaler's knowledge, so the "true" price wasn't known). Then I went through when that gravy train ended......right around the time lipitor was going generic.
I know the costs big pharma spends to get a drug to market, and how the drugs that make it are priced to recover the failures of others.
None of that absolves big pharma from what chaos is pointing out. Use Vioxx as an example.
While these companies have produced legit medications that have improved quality of life, they are not above corruption.
I personally cannot trust them after the covid vax. You feel it was all "the best we knew at the time"....I feel there was too much information withheld, and the messaging around efficacy, effectiveness, and side effects was piss poor.
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I did a five year stint in pharmacy financial planning, and went through the period where the pharmacies were basically printing money during what they called the "sweet spot", when a drug would go generic, but the PBMs would over compensate since they were clueless to what the actual cost of the drug was, due to the odd nature of the business (manufacturers selling to wholesalers, wholesalers selling to pharmacies, manufactures kicking back rebates outside of the wholesaler's knowledge, so the "true" price wasn't known). Then I went through when that gravy train ended......right around the time lipitor was going generic.
I know the costs big pharma spends to get a drug to market, and how the drugs that make it are priced to recover the failures of others.
None of that absolves big pharma from what chaos is pointing out. Use Vioxx as an example.
While these companies have produced legit medications that have improved quality of life, they are not above corruption.
I personally cannot trust them after the covid vax. You feel it was all "the best we knew at the time"....I feel there was too much information withheld, and the messaging around efficacy, effectiveness, and side effects was piss poor.
They have produced all of the lifesaving medications used and all the legit medications used. They aren't above corruption obviously, nothing is.
It was using a new type of vaccine that was researched for cancer for the first time in history for a virus I think came from a lab so they knew it was a fucking nightmare at first. I do firmly believe that. It has many oddities with it, the long aspect of it and neurological damage is very unique in several senses.
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They have produced all of the lifesaving medications used and all the legit medications used. They aren't above corruption obviously, nothing is.
It was using a new type of vaccine that was researched for cancer for the first time in history for a virus I think came from a lab so they knew it was a fucking nightmare at first. I do firmly believe that. It has many oddities with it, the long aspect of it and neurological damage is very unique in several senses.
That's part of the issue. There actually was a point in time if you said it came from a lab, you were vilified, demonetized, canceled etc....there are plenty of examples of youtube and such doing this.
And that is just for something completely benign. It was worse if you questioned the vaccine, provided alternative ideas, challenged efficacy, etc......the whole thing was incompetence at best, nefarious at worst.
The communication from the government was not honest. It was one option, and one option only.
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Vince Langman
@LangmanVince
I still can't believe that this was real and not an SNL skit!
Free fries when you get vaccinated for a virus that was only harmful to unhealthy people!
https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/2082226668777652233
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Western Lensman
@WesternLensman
Media hacks would look into their cameras, scold, berate and wag their fingers because they believe themselves to be the voices of moral authority.
Here, Chuck Todd delivers a self-righteous sermon to Americans on vaccinations. This is what passed as a "news" program on MSNBC.
https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/2082447891063263251
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That's part of the issue. There actually was a point in time if you said it came from a lab, you were vilified, demonetized, canceled etc....there are plenty of examples of youtube and such doing this.
And that is just for something completely benign. It was worse if you questioned the vaccine, provided alternative ideas, challenged efficacy, etc......the whole thing was incompetence at best, nefarious at worst.
The communication from the government was not honest. It was one option, and one option only.
But this is revisionist history and a huge generalization that misses the actual history that enfolded. The death rate at the start in china was 5.25% the virus was most virulent at this point and became weaker overtime as is the case with most viruses. It tends to increase spread and propagation.
Global death rate was 2-3 percent. It wasn't just sick people dying although the amount of co-morbidities would put that group at about 70% of US citizens, it was causing myocarditis at higher rates than the vaccine did and does in young folks. We now know it causes neurological damage in many folks.
The vaccine reduces fatalities substantially while showing less rates of consequences then actually getting the virus, myocaditis for example. If the death rate stayed at 2-5% on the high end thats a fuck ton of people, a fuck ton did die in fact. Vaccines are proven to be effective, there is no dispute in the medical community on that, worldwide, its basic science.
The claim that it only killed the sick is disingenuous. 70-80% of those who died had things like hypertension- do you know how many US citizens have that or diabetes or cholesterol issues. Those over 60 (which is not old as it they are useless refuse) were most susceptible.
I can buy the lab leak theory tbh. I hate how the government handled it but I am aware that my hindsight bias is skewing my perception. In the moment, when China was being obliterated and they did not know which way the virus would trend it makes sense to rapidly do what they did. As it unfolded they were too protectionist and went over the top with it. The vaccine was rushed but it had to be, how else would it have been done?
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Siraj Hashmi
@SirajAHashmi
Sure, Anthony Fauci was bad, but, without him, we’d never have this…
https://x.com/SirajAHashmi/status/2082668039342891391
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Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid
As late as 2021 some US hospitals were tying rubber gloves filled with hot water to dying people's hands, as they were denied family visits in their final moments.
Never forget the crimes they committed in the name of science.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HOeOtpeWMAA9Pc0?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2082790272304369698
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They never retracted or corrected any of this. And to think they get paid millions of dollars to peddle BS like this.
Adam Carolla
@adamcarolla
Funny
Clyp Keeper
@DGrayTexas45
Hey dumb ass...
https://x.com/adamcarolla/status/2082652677100667313
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Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid
As late as 2021 some US hospitals were tying rubber gloves filled with hot water to dying people's hands, as they were denied family visits in their final moments.
Never forget the crimes they committed in the name of science.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HOeOtpeWMAA9Pc0?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2082790272304369698
Fucking Bastard Khvnts. & all who support them.
I'd wood chipper all of them.
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MAZE
@mazemoore
This is one of the most disgusting videos put out during the pandemic. It's really gross.
Naturally it was from The Jimmy Kimmel Show.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2083008044569448719
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Fucking Bastard Khvnts. & all who support them.
I'd wood chipper all of them.
People dying from a virus were quarantined to avoid infecting others with a deadly virus that killed millions of people, crazy.
If you get ebola, you going ask for your mom to hold you hand? It fucking sucks but you have to put yourself in the position of others. There ran out of ventilators at one point, it was causing other people to die from lack of care (other conditions that could not be treated). You guys are acting like it was some easy decision in hindsight, its intellectually dishonest.
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People dying from a virus were quarantined to avoid infecting others with a deadly virus that killed millions of people, crazy.
If you get ebola, you going ask for your mom to hold you hand? It fucking sucks but you have to put yourself in the position of others. There ran out of ventilators at one point, it was causing other people to die from lack of care (other conditions that could not be treated). You guys are acting like it was some easy decision in hindsight, its intellectually dishonest.
Pronoun Boy
Sweden
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Adam Carolla
@adamcarolla
Keep them coming
https://x.com/adamcarolla/status/2083654097459200508
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Adam Carolla
@adamcarolla
Keep them coming
https://x.com/adamcarolla/status/2083654097459200508
Those who got fired should file a class action lawsuit.
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Those who got fired should file a class action lawsuit.
It would be an unwinnable class action lawsuit.
What these companies did is called risk management. With a few exceptions, you can legally fire at-will employees who to be vaccinated.
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It would be an unwinnable class action lawsuit.
What these companies did is called risk management. With a few exceptions, you can legally fire at-will employees who to be vaccinated.
The companies would probably settle rather than go to court.
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Gain of Fauci
@DschlopesIsBack
Reminder that Biden told the biggest and most dangerous Covid lie in history and it was inspired by Dr. Anthony Fauci.
https://x.com/DschlopesIsBack/status/2083668479584956610
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Riley Gaines
@Riley_Gaines_
“For the unvaccinated you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.”
As time passes, I only get more angry. Righteous anger.
https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/2086958559057641616
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Pronoun Boy
Sweden
My guy, I am not a partisan person, I have nuanced views and operate a skeptic.
I think lockdowns were bad, I also think that given the situation the models (which are used for all viruses, weather, etc etc) predicted pretty high levels of death as the worst case outcome. In hindsight, which is not fair, it shouldn't have happened. I did not agree with it at the time.
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MAZE
@mazemoore
Apparently Chris Cuomo doesn't like all the old clips I've posted of him being a condescending prick during the pandemic being shared.
So I'm going to post a bunch more.
Here's Cuomo in 2021 mocking and berating Byron Donalds for not getting vaccinated.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2089818009598656552
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MAZE
@mazemoore
Apparently Chris Cuomo doesn't like all the old clips I've posted of him being a condescending prick during the pandemic being shared.
So I'm going to post a bunch more.
Here's Cuomo in 2021 mocking and berating Byron Donalds for not getting vaccinated.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2089818009598656552
That whole family is nothing but asshats.
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I did a five year stint in pharmacy financial planning, and went through the period where the pharmacies were basically printing money during what they called the "sweet spot", when a drug would go generic, but the PBMs would over compensate since they were clueless to what the actual cost of the drug was, due to the odd nature of the business (manufacturers selling to wholesalers, wholesalers selling to pharmacies, manufactures kicking back rebates outside of the wholesaler's knowledge, so the "true" price wasn't known). Then I went through when that gravy train ended......right around the time lipitor was going generic.
I know the costs big pharma spends to get a drug to market, and how the drugs that make it are priced to recover the failures of others.
None of that absolves big pharma from what chaos is pointing out. Use Vioxx as an example.
While these companies have produced legit medications that have improved quality of life, they are not above corruption.
I personally cannot trust them after the covid vax. You feel it was all "the best we knew at the time"....I feel there was too much information withheld, and the messaging around efficacy, effectiveness, and side effects was piss poor.
I just had a mainland friend visiting who used to work in the industry and has the same viewpoint as you. She gave me quite the earful. I was already distrustful of Big Pharma, but I've taken to another level now. lol
On a somewhat unrelated note, I just had discussions with some pediatricians about the Hep-B vaccine. I didn't realize we were giving a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease to newborns, regardless of whether the mother has Hep-B. Crazy.
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This aged well.
Danny
@DjokovicFan_
Novak Djokovic in his documentary on why he refused the COVID vaccine:
"Because I didn't need it. Why should I get the vaccine? I'm healthy, I'm an athlete. I had corona. I had immunity. I wasn't a threat to anyone. There was no reason for me to get vaccinated. It's my freedom to choose which that fundamental right that you have as a human being on this planet — the freedom to choose — which was taken from a lot of people."
https://x.com/DjokovicFan_/status/2090370261300498488
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MAZE
@mazemoore
This is Christine Brennan. She's a sports columnist for USA Today. She's also a lunatic.
Brennan said that Djokovic would be remembered as a villain for not getting the Covid vaccine.
Brennan called Djokovic arrogant and clueless and she was flabbergasted that Djokovic would be willing to give up money just to remain unvaccinated.
At the end she threw in an attack on Aaron Rodgers of course, calling him a disgrace.
Djokovic was the hero in this story. Brennan and people like her were the villains.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2090477323166363882
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That's part of the issue. There actually was a point in time if you said it came from a lab, you were vilified, demonetized, canceled etc....there are plenty of examples of youtube and such doing this.
And that is just for something completely benign. It was worse if you questioned the vaccine, provided alternative ideas, challenged efficacy, etc......the whole thing was incompetence at best, nefarious at worst.
The communication from the government was not honest. It was one option, and one option only.
Revisionist history!!!! :D
https://www.msn.com/en-us/guy-in-dispute/ar-AA2aOpy9?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=6a8c3b28d6e94aa4a47b81e048ad814a&ei=12
What Fauci did not say was that the study’s lead author, computational biologist Kristian Andersen, had an $8.9 million grant pending with NIH when the paper was submitted, or that Fauci had personally initiated the scientists' examination of the origins question. Nor did Fauci tell reporters that in a Feb. 1, 2020, teleconference with a dozen scientists who studied the virus, a vast majority (10 of the 12) believed it was possible the virus had come from a lab.
Indeed, emails would later show that Andersen — the lead author of the paper — harbored strong suspicions that COVID-19 had emerged from a lab, not a wet market.
“Accidental escape [from a lab] is in fact highly likely — it’s not some fringe theory,” Andersen wrote to colleagues on Slack.
“[The] main thing still in my mind is that the lab escape version of this is so friggin’ likely to have happened,” Andersen wrote in another message to colleagues.
Today, most U.S. agencies, including the CIA, agree with Andersen that COVID-19 probably came from a laboratory in Wuhan.
Yet for years, the public was given a starkly different story: COVID-19 came from a wet market. People who suggested otherwise were not just wrong; they were peddling a racist conspiracy theory.
“We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, in February 2020.
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What is their evidence?
the studies don't corroborate this. Across the world, multiple countries have all done investigations, the data is published and is open source, you can read it.
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What is their evidence?
the studies don't corroborate this. Across the world, multiple countries have all done investigations, the data is published and is open source, you can read it.
You actually believe their studies after having lived through that?
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You actually believe their studies after having lived through that?
At this point, the people that are wrong would have to swallow their pride in order to admit anything other than the "official" story. To accept the fact that there is a possibility the covid came from the lab would be to accept the possibility that they were duped by their "scientific community". That would then require them to question everything about their life and what they've blindly followed. It's a harsh reality once they wake up, if they do.
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At this point, the people that are wrong would have to swallow their pride in order to admit anything other than the "official" story. To accept the fact that there is a possibility the covid came from the lab would be to accept the possibility that they were duped by their "scientific community". That would then require them to question everything about their life and what they've blindly followed. It's a harsh reality once they wake up, if they do.
100% as i wrote before a long time ago viruses have been exposed to the public before
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You actually believe their studies after having lived through that?
The studies were never questionable. There actions may have been but if you look at the data its just giving you facts dude. It's just how it works. You have russia producing the same shit.
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At this point, the people that are wrong would have to swallow their pride in order to admit anything other than the "official" story. To accept the fact that there is a possibility the covid came from the lab would be to accept the possibility that they were duped by their "scientific community". That would then require them to question everything about their life and what they've blindly followed. It's a harsh reality once they wake up, if they do.
I posted the best study to date which said that lab leak was possible but unlikely do to several factors. No one with a brain would say otherwise. People who are intelligent realize that you can't be certain on these things and should always be open to revision.
Even the scientists are not saying what you think they are saying. You are politicized. Read the actual data, its apolitical.
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Behind the curtain talk between scientists = highly likely accidental escape from a lab.
Publicly scientists say = wet market.
Guess which one the morons believe?
LOL ;D
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I posted the best study to date which said that lab leak was possible but unlikely do to several factors. No one with a brain would say otherwise. People who are intelligent realize that you can't be certain on these things and should always be open to revision.
Even the scientists are not saying what you think they are saying. You are politicized. Read the actual data, its apolitical.
I cannot say for certain which it was, and neither can anyone else, if if the data points towards a likelier zoonotic origin.
But you cannot argue how one theory was more readily accepted, and those who lobbied for the other were cancelled, demonetized, fired, ridiculed etc.
This is exact opposite of what is supposed to happen.
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Behind the curtain talk between scientists = highly likely accidental escape from a lab.
Publicly scientists say = wet market.
Guess which one the morons believe?
LOL ;D
I am not uninformed or a moron, and I believe both possibilities can be true. People—including scientists—often revise their views when new information comes to light. This is part of learning: there are no absolutes, so conclusions remain evolving and elusive.
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I am not uninformed or a moron, and I believe both possibilities can be true. People—including scientists—often revise their views when new information comes to light. This is part of learning: there are no absolutes, so conclusions remain evolving and elusive.
The can revise their views.
But in this situation, their views were chastised, ridiculed, suppressed, silenced, etc.....tenured professors and medical folks lost their jobs, etc.
There is no denying this, yet some here seem to.
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I am not uninformed or a moron, and I believe both possibilities can be true. People—including scientists—often revise their views when new information comes to light. This is part of learning: there are no absolutes, so conclusions remain evolving and elusive.
Lib brain, cannot be altered, death is the only cure.
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I cannot say for certain which it was, and neither can anyone else, if if the data points towards a likelier zoonotic origin.
But you cannot argue how one theory was more readily accepted, and those who lobbied for the other were cancelled, demonetized, fired, ridiculed etc.
This is exact opposite of what is supposed to happen.
I did not follow protocol, I didn't agree with 90% of it. I don't trust government to make decisions like that. So I agree.
The genetics of the strain which anyone can do and multiple have point to multiple animal origins
https://www.utmb.edu/mdnews/welcome/episode/covid-origins
The lab does not produce a strain that matches that profile.
Now the options are, it's more than likely a natural occurrence or they are completely and utterly lying. That why they found does not match the strain that started it all at all and they are hoping no one will check etc.
its still debatable and always will be because China did not allow anyone in.
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The can revise their views.
But in this situation, their views were chastised, ridiculed, suppressed, silenced, etc.....tenured professors and medical folks lost their jobs, etc.
There is no denying this, yet some here seem to.
I think there is more granularity there. A lot of folks were promoting then unproven treatments which may have caused serious harm. The idea was also lacking evidence, it was provocative and seriously reduced trust in the institutions. If it was a leak are the are hiding that (which they weren't, they simply did not know but have little evidence it was true) and that would then make public health a more dire situation. It wasn't that they were acting in that manner simply because of a disagreement, it was what it meant and the fact that there was little evidence for such a claim.
The outcome if that became the leading narrative could of been catastrophic.
The virus was very rough at the start but evolved to become a better virus lucky for us. In hindsight and in my gut during it, once we seen that deaths weren't piling up after the first year we should of came to our senses. The other problem is that because of those same measures our privileged vantage point in the current future may not afford us the perspective on the true seriousness because it didn't happen in actuality. So we are like of course it wasn't that bad!!
The whole thing was retarded. The one driver was that you had hospitals becoming overwhelmed which put the panic in people.
My area would be like, back to lockdowns, there has been one case.. like it was going to come into your home a run a train on you.
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Behind the curtain talk between scientists = highly likely accidental escape from a lab.
Publicly scientists say = wet market.
Guess which one the morons believe?
LOL ;D
This is one the things that convinced me it was a lab leak.
An unlikely genome sequence is evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab, two U.S. experts say
Two experts asserted in the Wall Street Journal that the genetic footprint of COVID-19 has never been seen in a naturally occurring coronavirus
Author of the article:By National Post Staff
Published Jun 08, 2021
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/unlikely-genome-sequencing-and-a-lack-of-genetic-diversity-provide-evidence-that-covid-19-originally-leaked-from-a-lab-according-to-two-experts-but-the-origins-of-the-virus-remain-unclear
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This is one the things that convinced me it was a lab leak.
An unlikely genome sequence is evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab, two U.S. experts say
Two experts asserted in the Wall Street Journal that the genetic footprint of COVID-19 has never been seen in a naturally occurring coronavirus
Author of the article:By National Post Staff
Published Jun 08, 2021
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/unlikely-genome-sequencing-and-a-lack-of-genetic-diversity-provide-evidence-that-covid-19-originally-leaked-from-a-lab-according-to-two-experts-but-the-origins-of-the-virus-remain-unclear
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12863-023-01169-8
What they are saying isn't true which makes sense why it would convince a layperson. They aren't being fully honest. Frankly they aren't experts, one dude is a physicist ffs
it is found in other coronaviruses at a decent rate, it is very rare in variants related to sars-cov2 less than 5% but it occurs.
The sequence is often a weakness, so viruses even when made in labs quickly move away from it, covid has not, this shows the sequence is functional.
" If a human artificially forced a "low-fitness" or inefficient sequence into the virus, it typically would have mutated away quickly. Instead, the CGG-CGG sequence has remained over 99.8% stable across millions of sequenced COVID-19 samples, meaning it serves a strong, natural functional purpose for the virus."
It's really not that convincing. If we are being truly objective here, which is what one should do as politics has no place here (with the truth of covid)
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12863-023-01169-8
What they are saying isn't true which makes sense why it would convince a layperson. They aren't being fully honest. Frankly they aren't experts, one dude is a physicist ffs
it is found in other coronaviruses at a decent rate, it is very rare in variants related to sars-cov2 less than 5% but it occurs.
The sequence is often a weakness, so viruses even when made in labs quickly move away from it, covid has not, this shows the sequence is functional.
" If a human artificially forced a "low-fitness" or inefficient sequence into the virus, it typically would have mutated away quickly. Instead, the CGG-CGG sequence has remained over 99.8% stable across millions of sequenced COVID-19 samples, meaning it serves a strong, natural functional purpose for the virus."
It's really not that convincing. If we are being truly objective here, which is what one should do as politics has no place here (with the truth of covid)
Sorry not sorry, but I'm not placing any stock in what you say. I believe them, over you, including this:
"In the case of COVID-19, the virus appeared in humans already in its most contagious form and no real adaptations occurred until the first variations were seen months later in England. Rapid optimization of COVID-19 is unprecedented and indicates a long period of adaptation predating public transmission, said Quay and Muller."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/unlikely-genome-sequencing-and-a-lack-of-genetic-diversity-provide-evidence-that-covid-19-originally-leaked-from-a-lab-according-to-two-experts-but-the-origins-of-the-virus-remain-unclear
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Sorry not sorry, but I'm not placing any stock in what you say. I believe them, over you, including this:
"In the case of COVID-19, the virus appeared in humans already in its most contagious form and no real adaptations occurred until the first variations were seen months later in England. Rapid optimization of COVID-19 is unprecedented and indicates a long period of adaptation predating public transmission, said Quay and Muller."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/unlikely-genome-sequencing-and-a-lack-of-genetic-diversity-provide-evidence-that-covid-19-originally-leaked-from-a-lab-according-to-two-experts-but-the-origins-of-the-virus-remain-unclear
You don't need to believe me, you just need to believe the experts who have studied this there whole lives. You are only believing them because it aligns with your political position which is not an honest position.
You didn't even address the facts I presented. You just plugged your ears and posted another quote that isn't entirely true. That's not being intellectually honest is it?
One guy is a physicist for fucks sake, you don't find it odd you are "believing" someone who has no expertise in the area at all? that doesn't cause some alarm bells to go off? that it may be politically motivated?
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I think there is more granularity there. A lot of folks were promoting then unproven treatments which may have caused serious harm. The idea was also lacking evidence, it was provocative and seriously reduced trust in the institutions. If it was a leak are the are hiding that (which they weren't, they simply did not know but have little evidence it was true) and that would then make public health a more dire situation. It wasn't that they were acting in that manner simply because of a disagreement, it was what it meant and the fact that there was little evidence for such a claim.
The outcome if that became the leading narrative could of been catastrophic.
The virus was very rough at the start but evolved to become a better virus lucky for us. In hindsight and in my gut during it, once we seen that deaths weren't piling up after the first year we should of came to our senses. The other problem is that because of those same measures our privileged vantage point in the current future may not afford us the perspective on the true seriousness because it didn't happen in actuality. So we are like of course it wasn't that bad!!
The whole thing was retarded. The one driver was that you had hospitals becoming overwhelmed which put the panic in people.
My area would be like, back to lockdowns, there has been one case.. like it was going to come into your home a run a train on you.
I was specifically referring to the lab leak for my comments about cancelling, etc....but it could also be applied to alternative treatments, natural immunity, etc. Which treatments specifically do you think were causing harm? From what I remember, most of the treatments were low risk in terms of side effects of the drugs, the real risk being they didn't do much or were started too late.
As for the bolded, yes.
I didn't take the vaccine at first because I already worked remote, and thought I could take a wait and see approach. It wasn't a slam dunk for me, and it weighed on me. But I did realize quickly that the healthy and non-compromised folks were likely fine, and once had my 3 days Covid sickness, I didn't see any reason after that.
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I was specifically referring to the lab leak for my comments about cancelling, etc....but it could also be applied to alternative treatments, natural immunity, etc. Which treatments specifically do you think were causing harm? From what I remember, most of the treatments were low risk in terms of side effects of the drugs, the real risk being they didn't do much or were started too late.
As for the bolded, yes.
I didn't take the vaccine at first because I already worked remote, and thought I could take a wait and see approach. It wasn't a slam dunk for me, and it weighed on me. But I did realize quickly that the healthy and non-compromised folks were likely fine, and once had my 3 days Covid sickness, I didn't see any reason after that.
I am not sure if any of those alternative treatments caused harm directly, more so indirectly by causing people to avoid actual treatment, avoid vaccination if they are high risk (diabetic for example) etc... ivermectin is pretty harmless stuff. I am a believer in alternative medicine in the sense that, exercise, diet mods, supps do have an impact. You could throw peptides in there as well and off label stuff- phenibut, nootropics etc..
I think the problem was we didn't know. I think it's unfair to judge those decisions in hindsight without proper context.
It's a hard call with public health. There is a certain duty to others as we live in a society. If it reduced the burden on hospitals and reduced transmission (which is only does mildly at best) I can see the risks being worth it. Vaccines have pretty low risks and it's established that the virus has more risks for myocarditis for example. I simply didn't like the shaming and forced nature of it. I had friends lose their jobs and I am not sure what the right answer there was. I know folks losing their businesses was pretty brutal to see.
I am definitely torn on the situation, the medical side of me see's the arguments, I have read the papers but that morphs when you have politicians dictating policy that can have ulterior motives (financial etc). That's how it's always been though. I am not sure if our saturation with information has made it more obvious but I can't imagine it was less corrupt 2 years ago when there was zero oversight.
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As for the bolded, yes.
*should have
Fauci and others benefited tremendously from creating panic over covid. Governments around the world learned how their populations will fall in line and beg to be controlled with the media pushing their agenda.
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I am not sure if any of those alternative treatments caused harm directly, more so indirectly by causing people to avoid actual treatment, avoid vaccination if they are high risk (diabetic for example) etc... ivermectin is pretty harmless stuff. I am a believer in alternative medicine in the sense that, exercise, diet mods, supps do have an impact. You could throw peptides in there as well and off label stuff- phenibut, nootropics etc..
That's the thing - there was no "actual treatment". It was "stay home unless it gets so bad you have to go to the hospital". Doctors on the front lines who were trying alternate methods and sharing success publicly were vilified.
I think the problem was we didn't know. I think it's unfair to judge those decisions in hindsight without proper context.
This is probably where you and I have the widest gap in opinion - I agree "we didn't know" existed, but you give much more leeway here than I do. For example, we did know early on that outdoor transmission was unlikely, but governors like Newsom still closed the beaches and filled the skate parks with sand, and arrested those who didn't comply. There was no "science" that said you needed a mask to walk to your table in a restaurant, but could remove it once you sat. Or that you had to limit gatherings to 10, but if you were protesting, 100 was cool.
And my bigger problem, which I have been consistent on, was not as much the "we didn't know", but the suppression of conflicting opinions and the lack of honesty about the situation.
It's a hard call with public health. There is a certain duty to others as we live in a society. If it reduced the burden on hospitals and reduced transmission (which is only does mildly at best) I can see the risks being worth it. Vaccines have pretty low risks and it's established that the virus has more risks for myocarditis for example. I simply didn't like the shaming and forced nature of it. I had friends lose their jobs and I am not sure what the right answer there was. I know folks losing their businesses was pretty brutal to see.
It IS hard with public health. There's the old dilemma of "do you let the bus of 30 kids go off a cliff, if it means it will save 1000 other people". I think that's kind of what they were doing with vaccine, meaning they knew certain folks were going to have side effects, but overall they felt the math would work (this is purely my thought, didn't read this anywhere).
The problem with this is you constantly hammer and message "safe and effective", all it takes is one person to lose a family member from the vax, and confidence is shaken. Then you get a network of folks in the same situation, and now half the population thinks the gov't is full of shit. The sheep media was complicit in this. They should have been more honest about personal choice, the possible risks, etc.....but they were not - those who didn't take the shot were vilified, and the media was constant with this messaging.
I am definitely torn on the situation, the medical side of me see's the arguments, I have read the papers but that morphs when you have politicians dictating policy that can have ulterior motives (financial etc). That's how it's always been though. I am not sure if our saturation with information has made it more obvious but I can't imagine it was less corrupt 2 years ago when there was zero oversight.
Yeah, I think about this too. Take the media - people say "I wish it more honest like back then with Walter Cronkite".......and now I'm like, it would have actually been EASIER to control the narrative back then simply because it took fewer outlets to control.
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*should have
Fauci and others benefited tremendously from creating panic over covid. Governments around the world learned how their populations will fall in line and beg to be controlled with the media pushing their agenda.
This is all true.
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And my bigger problem, which I have been consistent on, was not as much the "we didn't know", but the suppression of conflicting opinions and the lack of honesty about the situation.
Isn't that what science is all about? Get a few scientists to agree with a (paid) opinion, then force it on the public and any scientist that disagrees or offers a different idea is ridiculed, denounced, "canceled"? I mean, what kind of scientist publicly challenges questionable findings?
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Isn't that what science is all about? Get a few scientists to agree with a (paid) opinion, then force it on the public and any scientist that disagrees or offers a different idea is ridiculed, denounced, "canceled"? I mean, what kind of scientist publicly challenges questionable findings?
No it's not.
You aren't being honest.
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This is all true.
Fauci also pocketed a ton of money in grift from this scam.
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As if (paid for) "scientists" believe in truth. ::)
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Lib brain, cannot be altered, death is the only cure.
Long live my Lib brain! ;D
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Fauci also pocketed a ton of money in grift from this scam.
Dude, trump is selling access to his market moving tweets for 100k a month. Get a grip.
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Dude, trump is selling access to his market moving tweets for 100k a month. Get a grip.
So they are the same in that respect?
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So they are the same in that respect?
I bought one stock based on Trump touting it and it went down lol.
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You don't need to believe me, you just need to believe the experts who have studied this there whole lives. You are only believing them because it aligns with your political position which is not an honest position.
You didn't even address the facts I presented. You just plugged your ears and posted another quote that isn't entirely true. That's not being intellectually honest is it?
One guy is a physicist for fucks sake, you don't find it odd you are "believing" someone who has no expertise in the area at all? that doesn't cause some alarm bells to go off? that it may be politically motivated?
I don't find it odd at all that I believe accomplished people over an admitted lying anonymous foreigner on a message board. They are credible. You are not.
Dr. Quay has served as Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Company since the Company was incorporated in April 2009. Dr. Quay is certified in Anatomic Pathology with the American Board of Pathology, completed both an internship and residency in anatomic pathology at Massachusetts General Hospital, a Harvard Medical School teaching hospital, and is a former faculty member of the Department of Pathology, Stanford University School of Medicine.
Dr. Quay is a named inventor on 96 U.S. patents, more than 900 worldwide patent filings, and is named inventor on patents covering five pharmaceutical products that have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Dr. Quay received an M.D. in 1977 and a Ph.D. in 1975 from the University of Michigan. He received his B.A. degree in biology, chemistry and mathematics from Western Michigan University in 1971. He was selected to serve on the Company’s Board of Directors because of his role as a founder of the Company, as well as his qualifications as a physician and the principal researcher overseeing the clinical and regulatory development of the Company’s pharmaceutical programs.
https://atossatherapeutics.com/team/michael-parks-5/
Muller, who grew up in the South Bronx, attended public schools in New York City, including PS 65 (on 141st St), Junior High School 22 (on 167th St), and the Bronx High School of Science.[2] Muller obtained an A.B. degree at Columbia University (New York) and a Ph.D. degree in physics from University of California, Berkeley. Muller began his career as a graduate student under Nobel laureate Luis Alvarez performing particle physics experiments and working with bubble chambers. During his early years he also helped to co-create accelerator mass spectrometry and made some of the first measurements of anisotropy in the cosmic microwave background.
Subsequently, Muller branched out into other areas of science, and in particular the Earth sciences. His work has included attempting to understand the ice ages, dynamics at the core-mantle boundary, patterns of extinction and biodiversity through time, and the processes associated with impact cratering. One of his most well known proposals is the Nemesis hypothesis suggesting the Sun could have an as yet undetected companion dwarf star, whose perturbations of the Oort cloud and subsequent effects on the flux of comets entering the inner Solar System could explain an apparent 26 million year periodicity in extinction events.
In March 2011, he testified to the U.S. House Science, Space and Technology Committee that preliminary data confirmed an overall global warming trend.[3] On July 28, 2012, he stated, "Humans are almost entirely the cause."[4]
Along with Carl Pennypacker,[5] Muller started The Berkeley Real Time Supernova Search,[6] which became The Berkeley Automated Supernova Search.[7] It then became the Supernova Cosmology Project, which discovered the accelerating expansion of the universe, for which Muller's graduate student, Saul Perlmutter, shared the 2011 Nobel Prize in Physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Muller
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I don't find it odd at all that I believe accomplished people over an admitted lying anonymous foreigner on a message board. They are credible. You are not.
Dr. Quay has served as Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Company since the Company was incorporated in April 2009. Dr. Quay is certified in Anatomic Pathology with the American Board of Pathology, completed both an internship and residency in anatomic pathology at Massachusetts General Hospital, a Harvard Medical School teaching hospital, and is a former faculty member of the Department of Pathology, Stanford University School of Medicine.
Dr. Quay is a named inventor on 96 U.S. patents, more than 900 worldwide patent filings, and is named inventor on patents covering five pharmaceutical products that have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Dr. Quay received an M.D. in 1977 and a Ph.D. in 1975 from the University of Michigan. He received his B.A. degree in biology, chemistry and mathematics from Western Michigan University in 1971. He was selected to serve on the Company’s Board of Directors because of his role as a founder of the Company, as well as his qualifications as a physician and the principal researcher overseeing the clinical and regulatory development of the Company’s pharmaceutical programs.
https://atossatherapeutics.com/team/michael-parks-5/
Muller, who grew up in the South Bronx, attended public schools in New York City, including PS 65 (on 141st St), Junior High School 22 (on 167th St), and the Bronx High School of Science.[2] Muller obtained an A.B. degree at Columbia University (New York) and a Ph.D. degree in physics from University of California, Berkeley. Muller began his career as a graduate student under Nobel laureate Luis Alvarez performing particle physics experiments and working with bubble chambers. During his early years he also helped to co-create accelerator mass spectrometry and made some of the first measurements of anisotropy in the cosmic microwave background.
Subsequently, Muller branched out into other areas of science, and in particular the Earth sciences. His work has included attempting to understand the ice ages, dynamics at the core-mantle boundary, patterns of extinction and biodiversity through time, and the processes associated with impact cratering. One of his most well known proposals is the Nemesis hypothesis suggesting the Sun could have an as yet undetected companion dwarf star, whose perturbations of the Oort cloud and subsequent effects on the flux of comets entering the inner Solar System could explain an apparent 26 million year periodicity in extinction events.
In March 2011, he testified to the U.S. House Science, Space and Technology Committee that preliminary data confirmed an overall global warming trend.[3] On July 28, 2012, he stated, "Humans are almost entirely the cause."[4]
Along with Carl Pennypacker,[5] Muller started The Berkeley Real Time Supernova Search,[6] which became The Berkeley Automated Supernova Search.[7] It then became the Supernova Cosmology Project, which discovered the accelerating expansion of the universe, for which Muller's graduate student, Saul Perlmutter, shared the 2011 Nobel Prize in Physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Muller
Always in a meltdown. They are not accomplished in the field in question lol. Your post does nothing but prove my point. I realize you don't know anything about science but just because you have a PHD it doesn't make you an expert in every field like the creationists think.
You keep getting your medical advice from a physicist, that seems real wise!
You realize how dumb that is right? when your car breaks down do you take it to the apple store?
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The brainwashing runs deep in Americas hat. Snow mexicans are the second easiest to manipulate.
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When I get sick I visit the physics department down at the university.
When I have questions about particle physics I visit the gynecologist. As long as they have a doctorate they are all the same!!!
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When I get sick I visit the physics department down at the university.
When I have questions about particle physics I visit the gynecologist. As long as they have a doctorate they are all the same!!!
Why would you waste your time consulting someone with a doctorate when you have Getbig?
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So they are the same in that respect?
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How did fauci make money from covid?
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Why would you waste your time consulting someone with a doctorate when you have Getbig?
Solid point, I retract my statement.
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Does google only work in America now ???
net worth increased by approximately $5 million from 2019 through 2021
Beyond his salary, Fauci also earned income from outside groups, such as the Israel-based Dan David Foundation, which in 2021 awarded him $901,400 for "speaking truth to power" and "defending science" during the Trump administration.
The $2.82 million he earned in 2021 came from a mix of federal income and benefits totaling $903,497, outside awards and royalties totaling $1,019,205 and investment gains totaling $910,174.
Probably some insider trading going on with those investments, I just know it!
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Does google only work in America now ???
Probably some insider trading going on with those investments, I just know it!
Nah - He's a saint & saviour of mankind 🤣😂🤣 according to some very miss guided idiots
On here. ::)
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Does google only work in America now ???
Probably some insider trading going on with those investments, I just know it!
so he made money off of covid by getting awards, federal income (for his job I assume) and benefits. Real nefarious stuff there.
He definitely milked covid!
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Why would you waste your time consulting someone with a doctorate when you have Getbig?
Very good. LOL!
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MAZE
@mazemoore
CNN doctor Sanjay Gupta told Gavin Newsom that people never should have claimed that the Covid vaccines stopped transmission and infection.
Sanjay Gupta was one of the people who claimed that the Covid vaccines stopped transmission and infection.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2092680289604493723
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OMG science changes!! we need science to be like religion so it never changes and updates as new evidence comes to light! It's not like previous vaccines reduced transmission rates ::) what a crazy assumption during a novel pandemic. Maybe it's because it was a new style of vaccine???????
Dark matter might not exist!!! but they based theories of the universe on it???
https://www.space.com/astronomy/dark-universe/does-dark-matter-actually-exist-new-theory-says-it-could-be-gravity-behaving-strangely
They should all be thrown in jail ::) ::) dig up einstein and burn him.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-myths/art-20485720
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Science changes!!!! When the money is right. ;)
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so he made money off of covid by getting awards, federal income (for his job I assume) and benefits. Real nefarious stuff there.
He definitely milked covid!
Ask how / gets answer / moves goalposts.
Either way, it's a bad look:
The main recent controversy centers on allegations that Anthony Fauci (then NIAID director) used federal employees and resources to help solicit and prepare nominations for personal cash awards/prizes totaling over $1 million during the COVID-19 pandemic, including a roughly $900,000–$1 million Dan David Prize in 2021. Critics have called this self-dealing, a potential ethics violation, and improper while the pandemic was ongoing.
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Ask how / gets answer / moves goalposts.
Either way, it's a bad look:
He got paid for his job, him making money on stocks without context is also incoherent. How much did he make before covid? the same, more?
Did he make that amount of money before covid for his role?
I am also talking to Chaos here, he is literally never serious and I would always revert to trolling with him as he rarely engages in reasonable discussion... with anyone.
The quoted post is definitely bad if so. Unless that's common practice to have to apply for such an award, then it would be the only way to get it. If he used federal employees than I agree that's underhanded.
https://www.ntd.com/scientists-receiving-nih-money-nominated-fauci-for-prizes-emails_1162319.html
it appears others nominated him and that he turned down nomination when it wasn't related to science and medicine, which would be honorable.
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He got paid for his job, him making money on stocks without context is also incoherent. How much did he make before covid? the same, more?
Did he make that amount of money before covid for his role?
I am also talking to Chaos here, he is literally never serious and I would always revert to trolling with him as he rarely engages in reasonable discussion... with anyone.
The quoted post is definitely bad if so. Unless that's common practice to have to apply for such an award, then it would be the only way to get it. If he used federal employees than I agree that's underhanded.
https://www.ntd.com/scientists-receiving-nih-money-nominated-fauci-for-prizes-emails_1162319.html
it appears others nominated him and that he turned down nomination when it wasn't related to science and medicine, which would be honorable.
Non-canadian spelling noted.
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Non-canadian spelling noted.
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My spelling is my strong suit
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The brainwashed will never question Fauci, he is their false idol. Science is about questioning everything, unless Fauci vouches for it. ::)
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nah I just don't buy he is a demon that willfully killed people.
It's not either/or
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OMG science changes!! we need science to be like religion so it never changes and updates as new evidence comes to light! It's not like previous vaccines reduced transmission rates ::) what a crazy assumption during a novel pandemic. Maybe it's because it was a new style of vaccine???????
Dark matter might not exist!!! but they based theories of the universe on it???
https://www.space.com/astronomy/dark-universe/does-dark-matter-actually-exist-new-theory-says-it-could-be-gravity-behaving-strangely
They should all be thrown in jail ::) ::) dig up einstein and burn him.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-myths/art-20485720
The science didn't change. He, along with many others, simply lied about it. The "vaccine" never stopped transmission or prevented people from spreading the virus. Did you watch the clip?
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The science didn't change. He, along with many others, simply lied about it. The "vaccine" never stopped transmission or prevented people from spreading the virus. Did you watch the clip?
Vaccines generally reduce transmission significantly. Do you dispute this? in this rapid evolving novel situation where time was of the essence a new for of vaccine was used, do you think it's reasonable to conclude before we had the data (aka until we vaccinated) that it would likely reduce transmission. The virus also rapidly altered requiring alterations to the vaccine, something that isn't incredibly common with older viruses that humans have been interacting with.
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Vaccines generally reduce transmission significantly. Do you dispute this? in this rapid evolving novel situation where time was of the essence a new for of vaccine was used, do you think it's reasonable to conclude before we had the data (aka until we vaccinated) that it would likely reduce transmission. The virus also rapidly altered requiring alterations to the vaccine, something that isn't incredibly common with older viruses that humans have been interacting with.
They didn't say it reduced transmission. They said it stopped transmission. That is and always was a lie.
Did you watch the video? Gupta said the science was clear that the vaccines worked. That was a lie.
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They didn't say it reduced transmission. They said it stopped transmission. That is and always was a lie.
Did you watch the video? Gupta said the science was clear that the vaccines worked. That was a lie.
Gupta needs to come on here and debate us. I'd crush his Indian ass.
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They didn't say it reduced transmission. They said it stopped transmission. That is and always was a lie.
Did you watch the video? Gupta said the science was clear that the vaccines worked. That was a lie.
They did work and do work. The virus changed mulitiple times. The flu does the same, new vaccines have to be made to match the virus.
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Crazy how there is no changing covid virus from animal to man. It just randomly appeared one day, poof! ::)
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They didn't say it reduced transmission. They said it stopped transmission. That is and always was a lie.
Did you watch the video? Gupta said the science was clear that the vaccines worked. That was a lie.
Yes they did say it stopped transmission - Only it probably didn't work
Because I didn't have my Vaccination ::)
As it only works if everyone had it. :D ;) :D ;)
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They did work and do work. The virus changed mulitiple times. The flu does the same, new vaccines have to be made to match the virus.
Pronoun Boy
Dos has got you they did say it stopped transmission
Just admit you are wrong on that point.
I admitted I was incorrect when you got me, you said you had & did
admit when you were wrong & yet here you are digging your heels in & not
wanting to admit you got it wrong. ::)
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They did work and do work. The virus changed mulitiple times. The flu does the same, new vaccines have to be made to match the virus.
But they didn't say the ineffectiveness was due to variants.
They said full stop, then pivoted to rare "breakthroughs", then the rare breakthroughs became the norm.
But even given that, why mandate shots for companies over 100, AFTER they knew it wasn't stopping transmission, and that folks had natural immunity, etc....
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They did work and do work. The virus changed mulitiple times. The flu does the same, new vaccines have to be made to match the virus.
The "vaccines" never stopped transmission. The science never changed in that regard. So saying they "worked," when the context was the "vaccine" preventing transmission was always a lie.
Can you acknowledge that this statement by President Biden was false at the time he made it?
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Yes they did say it stopped transmission - Only it probably didn't work
Because I didn't have my Vaccination ::)
As it only works if everyone had it. :D ;) :D ;)
Multiple people said it, from the POTUS down to talking heads on TV.
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Pronoun Boy
Dos has got you they did say it stopped transmission
Just admit you are wrong on that point.
I admitted I was incorrect when you got me, you said you had & did
admit when you were wrong & yet here you are digging your heels in & not
wanting to admit you got it wrong. ::)
I am a medical professional dude, I read the papers, I don't follow what politicians say or tv pundits. So are we saying that the "they" is the medical establishment?
A lot of people said a lot of shit because there simply wasn't data so it was all based on previous virus's, vaccines, protocols etc..
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The "vaccines" never stopped transmission. The science never changed in that regard. So saying they "worked," when the context was the "vaccine" preventing transmission was always a lie.
Can you acknowledge that this statement by President Biden was false at the time he made it?
They reduced transmission, they were never tested for stopping transmission.
He is making a false statement in the video.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/
The initial papers showed reduced transmission of early variants which got worse as it morphed. If you are saying stopping transmission 100% then no vaccine has ever done that. It's not a standard that any vaccine is held to.
Really the vaccine worked to reduce severity.
I can see why him saying such a thing may have been advised if you look at how serious some of the models at the time where.
Again, I do not agree with the roll out, rules etc around covid. I have stated that many times.
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But they didn't say the ineffectiveness was due to variants.
They said full stop, then pivoted to rare "breakthroughs", then the rare breakthroughs became the norm.
But even given that, why mandate shots for companies over 100, AFTER they knew it wasn't stopping transmission, and that folks had natural immunity, etc....
That was what the papers show, it lost ability to reduce transmission as the virus morphed, much like the flu vaccines they have to make guesses on.
I honestly was not following what "they" were saying incredibly closely.
The mandates make sense if you realize that they reduce severe illness. At first there was quite the burden on the medical system and multiple places without ventilators. This caused others to die who required surgery, beds etc..
I think when you look at the fact that the vaccine has less risks than the actual virus and it reduced severity its a no brainer to get it, there isn't a logical reason not to.
in the realm of public health there is some degree of sacrifice required for the greater good, it's a slippery slope but it's a reality.
I generally (expect wrt trump) have pretty nuanced views as I am an anti-reductionist at heart. I realize that language has innumerable ghosts in it and can only take one side at a time. Front doesn't occur without back, there is actually no such thing as front (inherently), so incredibly reductionistic statements don't make much sense to me.
Like saying help stop transmission is correct, stopping transmission is not.
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Don't point out the fallacies in my pathetic career!!! I change diapers, I am important!!! ::) ::)
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Don't point out the fallacies in my pathetic career!!! I change diapers, I am important!!! ::) ::)
I am no one and nothing. wu-wei son.
Said another way I am a plurality of forces in process.
Said another way, i chop wood carry water and change diapers.
You didn't use the word fallacy correctly there, just fyi.
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That was what the papers show, it lost ability to reduce transmission as the virus morphed, much like the flu vaccines they have to make guesses on.
I honestly was not following what "they" were saying incredibly closely.
The mandates make sense if you realize that they reduce severe illness. At first there was quite the burden on the medical system and multiple places without ventilators. This caused others to die who required surgery, beds etc..
I think when you look at the fact that the vaccine has less risks than the actual virus and it reduced severity its a no brainer to get it, there isn't a logical reason not to.
in the realm of public health there is some degree of sacrifice required for the greater good, it's a slippery slope but it's a reality.
I generally (expect wrt trump) have pretty nuanced views as I am an anti-reductionist at heart. I realize that language has innumerable ghosts in it and can only take one side at a time. Front doesn't occur without back, there is actually no such thing as front (inherently), so incredibly reductionistic statements don't make much sense to me.
Like saying help stop transmission is correct, stopping transmission is not.
If they stop severe illness, then the vaccinated should have no fear of the unvaccinated, so they absolutely do not make sense.
There is no reason to force anyone who didn't want to take it to have to in order to return to work. Based on what you said, they are a danger to nobody.
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If they stop severe illness, then the vaccinated should have no fear of the unvaccinated, so they absolutely do not make sense.
There is no reason to force anyone who didn't want to take it to have to in order to return to work. Based on what you said, they are a danger to nobody.
It reduces risk of severe illness would be more accurate, substantially so.
I don't see how your charge refutes my point about hospitals and burden on the system. Less severe illness means less medical intervention, less burden. People refusing at the start could of lead to a meltdown. They were literally running out of ventilators and the ICU was being overrun. The unhealthy were getting to some pretty bad places quickly. Remember, the death rate was 5.1% in the vector country at the start.
I agree there is no reason to force anyone. Once enough folks were vaccinated and the virus got weaker naturally that whole thing should have ended.
However, the more folks that are vaccinated the better. Same with polio, measles etc..
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They reduced transmission, they were never tested for stopping transmission.
He is making a false statement in the video.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/
The initial papers showed reduced transmission of early variants which got worse as it morphed. If you are saying stopping transmission 100% then no vaccine has ever done that. It's not a standard that any vaccine is held to.
Really the vaccine worked to reduce severity.
I can see why him saying such a thing may have been advised if you look at how serious some of the models at the time where.
Again, I do not agree with the roll out, rules etc around covid. I have stated that many times.
Ok. That's progress. Thank you for acknowledging. He wasn't the only one who said it stopped transmission. And they used that false narrative to try and shame and force people into getting the vaccine.
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It reduces risk of severe illness would be more accurate, substantially so.
I don't see how your charge refutes my point about hospitals and burden on the system. Less severe illness means less medical intervention, less burden. People refusing at the start could of lead to a meltdown. They were literally running out of ventilators and the ICU was being overrun. The unhealthy were getting to some pretty bad places quickly. Remember, the death rate was 5.1% in the vector country at the start.
I agree there is no reason to force anyone. Once enough folks were vaccinated and the virus got weaker naturally that whole thing should have ended.
However, the more folks that are vaccinated the better. Same with polio, measles etc..
You are missing Grape Ape's point. Even if we assume the vaccine reduced the risk of severe illness, the fact the vaccine did not stop transmission completely undercuts the mandates.
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Ok. That's progress. Thank you for acknowledging. He wasn't the only one who said it stopped transmission. And they used that false narrative to try and shame and force people into getting the vaccine.
They did that for potentially good reasons though. Do you think their logic was nefarious?
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You are missing Grape Ape's point. Even if we assume the vaccine reduced the risk of severe illness, the fact the vaccine did not stop transmission completely undercuts the mandates.
I get his point, unless you are suggesting the only reason the mandates were in place was to "stop" transmission.
What mandates are you referring to? as a canadian I may not know what you are actually referencing.
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It reduces risk of severe illness would be more accurate, substantially so.
I don't see how your charge refutes my point about hospitals and burden on the system. Less severe illness means less medical intervention, less burden. People refusing at the start could of lead to a meltdown. They were literally running out of ventilators and the ICU was being overrun. The unhealthy were getting to some pretty bad places quickly. Remember, the death rate was 5.1% in the vector country at the start.
I agree there is no reason to force anyone. Once enough folks were vaccinated and the virus got weaker naturally that whole thing should have ended.
However, the more folks that are vaccinated the better. Same with polio, measles etc..
If people had natural immunity and/or no comorbidities, they had no reason to get a vaccine. That aspect was ignored.
The mandate happened as Delta was changing to Omnicrom. Omnicrom is what ended the pandemic.
The mandate was retarded, stupid, and assinine.
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They did that for potentially good reasons though. Do you think their logic was nefarious?
It was totalitarian. It wasn't based on science. It was knowingly false. Does that = nefarious? I guess so.
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If people had natural immunity and/or no comorbidities, they had no reason to get a vaccine. That aspect was ignored.
The mandate happened as Delta was changing to Omnicrom. Omnicrom is what ended the pandemic.
The mandate was retarded, stupid, and assinine.
I agree. At the start everyone should of gotten the vaccine.
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I get his point, unless you are suggesting the only reason the mandates were in place was to "stop" transmission.
What mandates are you referring to? as a canadian I may not know what you are actually referencing.
The mandates included trying to force people to get the vaccine. Like this one:
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I agree. At the start everyone should of gotten the vaccine.
Many people had natural immunity by the time the experimental vaccine arrived.
And healthy folks didn't need it.
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Many people had natural immunity by the time the experimental vaccine arrived.
And healthy folks didn't need it.
This is a bit revisionist and reductive.
The initial surge was quite deadly with some serious complications. Most people are not healthy.
When you say experimental you realize it was tested correct? it wasn't just a guess.
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Hey Necro, are you getting a Covid shot in the fall?
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Hey Necro, are you getting a Covid shot in the fall?
I don't get any vaccines. Way to lazy for that.
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Retard
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calm down fatty have a snack.
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This is a bit revisionist and reductive.
The initial surge was quite deadly with some serious complications. Most people are not healthy.
When you say experimental you realize it was tested correct? it wasn't just a guess.
This is false. The initial (and continual) surge always targeted the same discrete group: the elderly with comorbidities, the obese, and immunocompromised people. For most everyone else it was like the cold, flu, or no symptoms at all.
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Retard
lol. ;D
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Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker
🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.
It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.
On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."
Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.
What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.
https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225
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Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker
🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.
It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.
On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."
Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.
What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.
https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225
The CIA is an enemy of the people. Remember the weapons of mass destruction?
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This is false. The initial (and continual) surge always targeted the same discrete group: the elderly with comorbidities, the obese, and immunocompromised people. For most everyone else it was like the cold, flu, or no symptoms at all.
False, death rate in china was 5.1%.
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Jeffrey A Tucker
@jeffreytucker
🔥This from Rand Paul's latest documents is a huge and shocking data point, worth further investigation.
It suggests that the CIA and Pfizer knew they were lying to the public on the very need for a Covid shot at all. By the time of release, according to their own math, shared only privately, we would already have achieved herd immunity.
On May 7, 2020, CIA Chief Operating Officer Andy Makridis led a briefing with Pfizer's Scott Gottlieb. The CIA summary of the meeting: "On 'herd immunity' Dr. Gottlieb...believes nationally, the seroprevalence is about 20-25% which is insufficient for herd immunity at the R₀ (BRR) value of 3."
Screenshot attached. In the same time frame, he was telling the public it was low around 8%. Even 3.5 months later, August 16, 2020, he was STILL claiming a low seroprevalence rate nationally. Screenshots attached.
What this means: both Gottlieb AND the CIA KNEW early on that endemicity would be obtained by the time of the shot release. They lied in public while telling the truth in private.
https://x.com/jeffreytucker/status/2094837941952475225
Did you read the link?
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False, death rate in china was 5.1%.
I don't know what the death rate in China was and I'm certainly not accepting anything you say at face value. I was talking about the U.S. It was never 5.1 percent in the U.S. and never a major threat outside of the groups I listed. What I said is absolutely correct.
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National perspective: The overall case fatality rate (CFR) in mainland China during the early outbreak was estimated at roughly 2–3% when considering confirmed symptomatic cases. In Hubei, particularly in Wuhan, the CFR reached higher local values of 6–7% due to the concentrated outbreak and overwhelmed healthcare facilities.
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The CIA is an enemy of the people. Remember the weapons of mass destruction?
CIA and every other government entity.
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I don't know what the death rate in China was and I'm certainly not accepting anything you say at face value. I was talking about the U.S. It was never 5.1 percent in the U.S. and never a major threat outside of the groups I listed. What I said is absolutely correct.
It absolutely was not correct. The epicenter had rates that may have exceeded 10%.
You shouldn't take anything at face value. Read the actual papers rather then getting your medical information from politicians and physicists, that will help you make a proper informed decision and is always best practice.
What you are saying is not factual. It's half-truths and confabulations.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
Even your argument about herd immunity is nonsensical. Anti-body tests disprove that assertion. Do you know what percent of folks would have had to get sick to achieve herd immunity? and what that timeline would of looked like.
On top of that, the charge that it was old sick people dying, while partially true is not the full picture and is a caricature of the actual facts. The majority of US citizens (if we are only talking US, although there is other places fyi) have at least one underlying health condition that would firmly put them in that category.
Again I did not like the handling of it but if there is no grey area with you then there is no point in continuing the discussion.
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There are various estimates, some over 10% in the epicenter (as high as 17% by some estimates). The best papers estimate the initial surge at 5.1%. Viral drift occurred rapidly. The actual numbers are likely higher than the reported because of testing lapses, comorbidities and concomitant issues.
Post the link to your paper
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The actual numbers are likely higher than the reported
Similar to adverse effects on VAERS
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Why does this guy lie so much? Is it a canadian thing? We all know it's a liberal thing but he claims he's not liberal (lol).
Must be the double whammy, canadian liberal...I'd rather associate with canadian indians than canadian liberals.
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Post your study or....
I know it's hard for you to understand paraconsistency but that's what happens when things gain in complexity. I wish the world was as simple as you make it seem.
It's common sense that more people were infected than reported as there was shortages in testing kits and no testing done in some parts of the world.
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CIA and every other government entity.
Of course, but the CIA works in the shadows.
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It absolutely was not correct. The epicenter had rates that may have exceeded 10%.
You shouldn't take anything at face value. Read the actual papers rather then getting your medical information from politicians and physicists, that will help you make a proper informed decision and is always best practice.
What you are saying is not factual. It's half-truths and confabulations.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
Even your argument about herd immunity is nonsensical. Anti-body tests disprove that assertion. Do you know what percent of folks would have had to get sick to achieve herd immunity? and what that timeline would of looked like.
On top of that, the charge that it was old sick people dying, while partially true is not the full picture and is a caricature of the actual facts. The majority of US citizens (if we are only talking US, although there is other places fyi) have at least one underlying health condition that would firmly put them in that category.
Again I did not like the handling of it but if there is no grey area with you then there is no point in continuing the discussion.
Go back and read what I said. I was talking about America. I don't know what the death rate in China was and your numbers are all over the place regarding China.
What I am saying is factual. It came directly from the CDC. One of the things they actually told the truth about:
"At the end of the day, most of us who get this infection will recover. The majority of people do — probably 98%, almost 98.5%, 99% recover. The challenge is the older, the vulnerable, the elderly, those with significant medical conditions where this virus has shown a propensity to have a significant mortality."
CDC Director On Models For The Months To Come: 'This Virus Is Going To Be With Us'
March 31, 2020
By Sam Whitehead, Carrie Feibel
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824155179/cdc-director-on-models-for-the-months-to-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us
I knew nothing about herd immunity before the pandemic. But I listened to people much smarter than you who educated me about it. Along with natural immunity, lockdowns, closing schools, etc. All of the things we got wrong in America.
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Why does this guy lie so much? Is it a canadian thing? We all know it's a liberal thing but he claims he's not liberal (lol).
Must be the double whammy, canadian liberal...I'd rather associate with canadian indians than canadian liberals.
Right? It's pathological. And he does these stream-of-consciousness posts with so much false info that it's difficult to respond to and correct all of it.