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Very interested to see all of the facts here. If this man was old, overweight, walked with a cane, etc., why break down his door and shoot him? Just arrest him when he leaves the house, particularly if he was under surveillance.
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat, Neighbor Says
Community reels after early-morning FBI raid ends with death of elderly man
By Brent Scher
Aug 11, 2023 DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/utah-man-shot-dead-by-fbi-agents-was-kind-person-who-posed-no-real-threat-neighbor-says
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It was "freedom of speech" and "artistic expression" when madonna threatened to blow up the white house or when snoop dog mimicked an assassination or any other myriad of comments about violence were made when the last guy was President. When someone makes posts about violence towards the current administration they get assassinated Ruby Ridge style.
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It was "freedom of speech" and "artistic expression" when madonna threatened to blow up the white house or when snoop dog mimicked an assassination or any other myriad of comments about violence were made when the last guy was President. When someone makes posts about violence towards the current administration they get assassinated Ruby Ridge style.
Let that be a warning to you.
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Let that be a warning to you.
hahaha
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Let that be a warning to you.
I don't need a warning to know that the alphabet army is used to do the democrats dirty work, suppressing free speech.
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Free speech and death threats are two different things. Having to explain this to you renders your faux outrage childish and comical.
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It was "freedom of speech" and "artistic expression" when madonna threatened to blow up the white house or when snoop dog mimicked an assassination or any other myriad of comments about violence were made when the last guy was President. When someone makes posts about violence towards the current administration they get assassinated Ruby Ridge style.
Katie Monson, Robertson’s next-door neighbor, said last week that she saw agents attempt to breach his front door with a battering ram before driving a tactical vehicle onto his lawn, close enough to pierce his front window.
She subsequently heard an exchange of shots before tactical officers dragged Robertson onto the sidewalk to wait for emergency medical personnel. FBI investigators spent the rest of the day clearing the home and photographing evidence.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-utah-fbi-shooting-4041e4375894c9b942648920cbb83d65
All this for a fat guy who walked with a cane?
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Katie Monson, Robertson’s next-door neighbor, said last week that she saw agents attempt to breach his front door with a battering ram before driving a tactical vehicle onto his lawn, close enough to pierce his front window.
She subsequently heard an exchange of shots before tactical officers dragged Robertson onto the sidewalk to wait for emergency medical personnel. FBI investigators spent the rest of the day clearing the home and photographing evidence.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-utah-fbi-shooting-4041e4375894c9b942648920cbb83d65
All this for a fat guy who walked with a cane?
And made death threats against the POTUS and other members of ranking as well. Why would you conveniently leave that out?
He fucked around. He found out. No sympathy.
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And made death threats against the POTUS and other members of ranking as well. Why would you conveniently leave that out?
He fucked around. He found out. No sympathy.
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You sort of left out the fact he pointed a gun at agents too. Wonder why? Did you think no one would know? " ::) "
Cherry picking what little tidbits to whine over while ignoring others that are worse never really works out. It's a sign of "dishonesty".
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You sort of left out the fact he pointed a gun at agents too. Wonder why? Did you think no one would know? " ::) "
Cherry picking what little tidbits to whine over while ignoring others that are worse never really works out. It's a sign of "dishonesty".
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You're an idiot. I have no tolerance for idiots today. Check back tomorrow after I've had a good night's sleep. :)
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There is no reasoning with stupid.
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You're an idiot. I have no tolerance for idiots today. Check back tomorrow after I've had a good night's sleep. :)
Says the cherry-picking hypocrite. “ ::) “
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There is no reasoning with stupid.
You spelled facts wrong.
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There is no reasoning with stupid.
Oh I know. Cannot reason with someone who lacks common sense. He's just an arrogant, disrespectful little kid.
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Generally speaking if a cop gives you an order, especially if the cop outweighs you by well over 100lbs right or wrong you generally should obey it. File a report later if you feel you did nothing wrong. If you don't, they almost always use physical force which they are fully authorized to do to attempt to make you comply. Being a girl, old person etc makes no difference. Girl was obviously a conceited snotty brat who thought she was untouchable. Yes, if that was my daughter, I would of told he you should have complied and not been a snotty brat and she got what she deserved.
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Oh I know. Cannot reason with someone who lacks common sense. He's just an arrogant, disrespectful little kid.
Says the "dishonest" hypocrite. ::)
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Definitely good advice. But what about when they break down your door with a battering ram? That's a bang bang moment.
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this tends to be the common theme on the forum. When a minority does something that gets police attention and ends up dead, the consensus is "Play stupid games win stupid prizes". But when it's not a minority, suddenly it's a poor guy minding his own business and the police are bad.
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Very interested to see all of the facts here. If this man was old, overweight, walked with a cane, etc., why break down his door and shoot him? Just arrest him when he leaves the house, particularly if he was under surveillance.
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat, Neighbor Says
Community reels after early-morning FBI raid ends with death of elderly man
By Brent Scher
Aug 11, 2023 DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/utah-man-shot-dead-by-fbi-agents-was-kind-person-who-posed-no-real-threat-neighbor-says
He was assassinated plain and simple
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He was assassinated plain and simple
Oh, I can see how it is plain and simple to you. You boil everything down to simple. Makes it easier
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Oh, I can see how it is plain and simple to you. You boil everything down to simple. Makes it easier
Reasonable deduction at the very least. Are you going to try to tell me they know nothing about him before they deployed how many FBI agents on his house and shot him how many times? He was 75 and barely walked. It was a hit.
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this tends to be the common theme on the forum. When a minority does something that gets police attention and ends up dead, the consensus is "Play stupid games win stupid prizes". But when it's not a minority, suddenly it's a poor guy minding his own business and the police are bad.
Let's see how this is :
Craig Deleeuw Robertson
1. "nice guy" - whatever that means
2. fat
3. walks with cane
who also :
4. made death threats against the POTUS
5. openly plotted the death of Alvin Braggs
6. openly made death threats against Merrick Garland
7. openly talked about dreaming of shooting Newsome
8. Taunted the FBI online and made veiled threats to keeping a gun handy for when they stopped by again
9. Pointed a weapon at federal agents serving an arrest warrant on him for death threats against the president, interstate threats and retaliating against federal law enforcement.
Yeah sounds like a peaceful guy with no ill intentions in his head. Only someone willfully stupid or just intellectually dishonest would try to spin this into something else. ::)
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He was assassinated plain and simple
Naw, he just tried that in a big town.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fbi-says-utah-man-who-allegedly-threatened-biden-was-killed-after-pointing-357-handgun-at-agents/ar-AA1fh1Hq
Hardly looks like an assassination. But the shooting will be investigated. FBI says it was justified, at this point, there is no reason to believe otherwise. Likely, no minds will change if the investigation concludes it was justified. The Coaches of the world will simply discount it. We'll probably see some body cam footage in the next couple weeks.
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Let's see how this is :
Craig Deleeuw Robertson
1. "nice guy" - whatever that means
2. fat
3. walks with cane
who also :
4. made death threats against the POTUS
5. openly plotted the death of Alvin Braggs
6. openly made death threats against Merrick Garland
7. openly talked about dreaming of shooting Newsome
8. Taunted the FBI online and made veiled threats to keeping a gun handy for when they stopped by again
9. Pointed a weapon at federal agents serving an arrest warrant on him for death threats against the president, interstate threats and retaliating against federal law enforcement.
Yeah sounds like a peaceful guy with no ill intentions in his head. Only someone willfully stupid or just intellectually dishonest would try to spin this into something else. ::)
Dude, shut up.
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Reasonable deduction at the very least. Are you going to try to tell me they know nothing about him before they deployed how many FBI agents on his house and shot him how many times? He was 75 and barely walked. It was a hit.
The only "hit" that occurred was those bullets slamming into his body. He earned those.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fbi-says-utah-man-who-allegedly-threatened-biden-was-killed-after-pointing-357-handgun-at-agents/ar-AA1fh1Hq
Hardly looks like an assassination. But the shooting will be investigated. FBI says it was justified, at this point, there is no reason to believe otherwise. Likely, no minds will change if the investigation concludes it was justified. The Coaches of the world will simply discount it. We'll probably see some body cam footage in the next couple weeks.
I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?
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I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?
Oh I expect them to say he was old, fat, and walked with a cane so they shot him to free up more oxygen for the rest of us healthy ones.
You might watch out in that case.
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I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?
This is of course part of the problem. You discount ANY and All information if it doesn't align with your thinking. That is just a cult mentality. You, without being there, without having any information to support your allegation, have concluded it was a hit. I'm sure you'll dismiss any body cam footage as fake. Chaos posted earlier "you can't argue with stupid" and this is exactly what it looks like...
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And this is why…
“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”
Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp
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And this is why…
“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”
Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp
Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things. One is legal, the other is not.
This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.
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And this is why…
“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”
Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp
"Ossola said he heard them tell Robertson to come outside and Robertson yelling back, saying he hadn’t committed any federal crimes."
The consensus so far is he was armed. Both articles state that. One article is more specific in that he pointed it at law enforcement. By the witnesses accounts, He knew they were there and he knew they were law enforcement. Even the family of the man says they hold no ill will against the offices. Apparently they knew what he was doing. They just don't "think" he would have followed through. Not a gamble I guess everyone was willing to take.
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Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things. One is legal, the other is not.
This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.
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Again, stay in your lane. You have no idea what you’re talking about
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"Ossola said he heard them tell Robertson to come outside and Robertson yelling back, saying he hadn’t committed any federal crimes."
The consensus so far is he was armed. Both articles state that. One article is more specific in that he pointed it at law enforcement. By the witnesses accounts, He knew they were there and he knew they were law enforcement. Even the family of the man says they hold no ill will against the offices. Apparently they knew what he was doing. They just don't "think" he would have followed through. Not a gamble I guess everyone was willing to take.
There were 20 or more tactical agents with an armored vehicle. They KNEW his disabilities with little mobility and could barely walk even with a cain across a room. The front door wasn’t the only place they could have breached and entered. The whole thing sketchy at best. This story took a day to get into the news cycle and less than a day to get out of it.
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Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things. One is legal, the other is not.
This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.
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And just when I thought we were going to have an adult conversation. Oh well
You can't point a weapon at someone and NOT be armed. You can be armed and NOT point a weapon at someone. So S.E. both articles are accurate. One is more specific. And are you REALLY trying to argue he did NOT point a gun at them because one article didn't specifically say those words? Don't be a tard.
The article I posted was from FOX. I know you don't trust them anymore because they left you hanging on your election nonsense but I could find 10 articles stating he was armed and or pointed the weapon at them. But so what? At this point, what's the difference? One is legal one is not? And you question ME? ::)
A "hit".... FFS....
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He was assassinated plain and simple
Maybe. Maybe not. Doesn't look good. But I want to know everything that happened and why they believed they needed to break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his house. It's not like he posed an imminent threat to the POTUS.
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Dude, shut up.
That's basically what I said. lol ;D
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Very interested to see all of the facts here. If this man was old, overweight, walked with a cane, etc., why break down his door and shoot him? Just arrest him when he leaves the house, particularly if he was under surveillance.
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat, Neighbor Says
Community reels after early-morning FBI raid ends with death of elderly man
By Brent Scher
Aug 11, 2023 DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/utah-man-shot-dead-by-fbi-agents-was-kind-person-who-posed-no-real-threat-neighbor-says
A 75 year old with a gun can still kill people. Ive read what he wrote and you have to take shit like that seriously.
Sorry but no mystery here
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A 75 year old with a gun can still kill people. Ive read what he wrote and you have to take shit like that seriously.
Sorry but no mystery here
Of course they should take threats against the POTUS seriously. But what imminent threat to the POTUS did a 75 year-old man, who is overweight, walks with a cane, and can barely move, when he was hundreds of miles away from the POTUS?
I want to know why they used a batteram on his front door. Sounds like they could have easily arrested him without breaking down his door. So yes, there is a mystery about why they used the level of force they did, at the time they used it.
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Again, stay in your lane. You have no idea what you’re talking about
I’m talking to a retard who doesn’t understand facts. Unlike you I know exactly what I am talking about.
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There were 20 or more tactical agents with an armored vehicle. They KNEW his disabilities with little mobility and could barely walk even with a cain across a room. The front door wasn’t the only place they could have breached and entered. The whole thing sketchy at best. This story took a day to get into the news cycle and less than a day to get out of it.
Doesn’t matter how many agents there were.
Doesn’t matter what his disability was. If he is able to point a gun at agents he is able to accept the consequences.
These are federal agents. They are not Jehovas Witnesses. They are not going to stand there three hours knocking on the door.
Nobody cares what a retard thinks about how they should have breached. I’m sure that the agents had some real training in that regards. Not the pretend shit you claim you do.
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Maybe. Maybe not. Doesn't look good. But I want to know everything that happened and why they believed they needed to break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his house. It's not like he posed an imminent threat to the POTUS.
There is no "maybe" to it. There is also not a single reason or scenario you could construct on it being an assassination without looking ignorant and "dishonest". The situation is 100% his own doing.
They don't have to wait for him to go anywhere when they got an arrest warrant.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fbi-says-utah-man-who-allegedly-threatened-biden-was-killed-after-pointing-357-handgun-at-agents/ar-AA1fh1Hq
Hardly looks like an assassination. But the shooting will be investigated. FBI says it was justified, at this point, there is no reason to believe otherwise. Likely, no minds will change if the investigation concludes it was justified. The Coaches of the world will simply discount it. We'll probably see some body cam footage in the next couple weeks.
1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.
The man doesn't sound to clever with his actions for sure,
Then, the FBI would've had an in depth a file all about him & his age & physical / mental condition... appears like they took a huge sledge hammer
to crack open a peanut & acted as judge jury & executioner.
Clearly as an ex cop you hang onto every word that comes out of their
arse holes, lap it all up & defend it always.
Never ever questioning the possibility of abuse of power or excess force. ::)
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^^ The part about the man being old, fat and using a cane hit home with Pinocchio here.
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1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.
The man doesn't sound to clever with his actions for sure,
Then, the FBI would've had an in depth a file all about him & his age & physical / mental condition... appears like they took a huge sledge hammer
to crack open a peanut & acted as judge jury & executioner.
Clearly as an ex cop you hang onto every word that comes out of their
arse holes, lap it all up & defend it always.
Never ever questioning the possibility of abuse of power or excess force. ::)
There was another guy a few years back that claimed the same ignorant thing. That I always back cops. Tu Holmes.. even went so far as to challenge my denial. So we made a bet, loser has to leave the forum. I found several examples where I didn’t because I’m not stupid. I know cops screw up.
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There was another guy a few years back that claimed the same ignorant thing. That I always back cops. Tu Holmes.. even went so far as to challenge my denial. So we made a bet, loser has to leave the forum. I found several examples where I didn’t because I’m not stupid. I know cops screw up.
Hmmm okay I'll believe you although 1000's wouldn't - ;D
1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.
On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post ;D :D ;D
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. ;D
Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF
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Hmmm okay I'll believe you although 1000's wouldn't - ;D
1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.
On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post ;D :D ;D
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. ;D
Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF
They usually investigate themselves. :-\
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So we got a foreigner twat that claims he ignores me, but yet reads every. single. post. I. make.
:)
Just another day, another lie for Pinocchio.
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They usually investigate themselves. :-\
Yes & There's nothing remotely dodgy about that is there , Not that they'd ever
Dream of clearing their own .
What an utter load of Bollocks .
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Definitely good advice. But what about when they break down your door with a battering ram? That's a bang bang moment.
No one is going to break down his door with a battering ram. Not his, not yours and not mine. That is not unless you believe Trumps garbage threats. "They're coming after you." Really? Thanks for the warning, don't mind if I ignore it because it isn't going to happen unless it is his door getting rammed.
But while these certainly are dark times for our country, I will NEVER give up on America.
Donald J. Trump <contact@victory.donaldjtrump.com>
This in my email today at 7:44 a.m.
"But while these certainly are dark times for our country, I will NEVER give up on America.
The more I see these rogue prosecutors weaponize our legal system to criminalize dissent and imprison their political opponents, the stronger my resolve to save our country.
Because I know that if these illegal persecutions succeed, if they’re allowed to set fire to the law, then it will not end with me… They’ll come for YOU.
Fear is a powerful tool and Trump knows this. He wants you to be afraid, very, very afraid. Sadly, for some it seems to be working. They are buying his treats of doom and gloom unless you elect him in 2424.
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No one is going to break down his door with a battering ram. Not his, not yours and not mine. That is not unless you believe Trumps garbage threats. "They're coming after you." Really? Thanks for the warning, don't mind if I ignore it because it isn't going to happen unless it is his door getting rammed.
But while these certainly are dark times for our country, I will NEVER give up on America.
Donald J. Trump <contact@victory.donaldjtrump.com>
This in my email today at 7:44 a.m.
"But while these certainly are dark times for our country, I will NEVER give up on America.
The more I see these rogue prosecutors weaponize our legal system to criminalize dissent and imprison their political opponents, the stronger my resolve to save our country.
Because I know that if these illegal persecutions succeed, if they’re allowed to set fire to the law, then it will not end with me… They’ll come for YOU.
Fear is a powerful tool and Trump knows this. He wants you to be afraid, very, very afraid. Sadly, for some it seems to be working. They are buying his treats of doom and gloom unless you elect him in 2424.
What does Trump have to do with this shooting?
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What does Trump have to do with this shooting?
The man was a die hard MAGA idiot who was making death threats against Trumpy's "enemies". Obviously he had mental issues that mitigated any type of consequences (in his mind) for acting out of loyalty to Trumpy.
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What does Trump have to do with this shooting?
You posted;
Definitely good advice. But what about when they break down your door with a battering ram? That's a bang bang moment.
The treat you posted is a familiar one which Trump uses on an almost daily basis. A classic fear mongering tactic. One you and Trump apparently share. The post I made that you are questioning simply demonstrates a parallel example between your and Trump's modus operandi. It is eerie how much you and Trump are alike in the way you express yourselves.
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You posted;
The treat you posted is a familiar one which Trump uses on an almost daily basis. A classic fear mongering tactic. One you and Trump apparently share. The post I made that you are questioning simply demonstrates a parallel example between your and Trump's modus operandi. It is eerie how much you and Trump are alike in the way you express yourselves.
What I posted is a fact: the FBI used a battering ram to break the man's door down. That has zero to do with Trump or whatever the heck you are reading from your Trump emails you keep posting. It's pretty hilarious that you get Trump emails and cannot stop talking about the man. :) You clearly have TDS. But you have plenty of company.
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What I posted is a fact: the FBI used a battering ram to break the man's door down. That has zero to do with Trump or whatever the heck you are reading from your Trump emails you keep posting. It's pretty hilarious that you get Trump emails and cannot stop talking about the man. :) You clearly have TDS. But you have plenty of company.
And they should have. They had an arrest warrant and had given him the chance to come out peacefully. Instead, he didn't and pulled a gun. Bang Bang! Making excuses isn't going to change reality to fit your biased warped narrative.
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Oh I know. Cannot reason with someone who lacks common sense. He's just an arrogant, disrespectful little kid.
Rumor has it he's actually an obese guy living off disability. Makes sense to why he posts 24/7 but it doesn't explain why he's obsessed with Trump.
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Rumor has it he's actually an obese guy living off disability. Makes sense to why he posts 24/7 but it doesn't explain why he's obsessed with Trump.
Who are you referring to ??
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Who are you referring to ??
Lurker. Someone PM'd me that he was a fat guy that claims he is disabled.
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Worst case, excessive use of force. Most likely scenario, dude fucked around and found out. He should’ve complied, but probably wanted to die.
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Lurker. Someone PM'd me that he was a fat guy that claims he is disabled.
Ahh - who or whatever it is its clearly not firing on all cylinders
Wait & watch as I've trained the Nonce to immediately post after I do 😂🤣😂
TDS & IDS.
Rob / Bob Is definitely a Queer & Highly likely a Pedo as it supports anything
Pedo related - Especially Pedo Pete its Idol.
Ha ha , That'll have the Nonce's Pavlov's Response chomping at the bit.......
In 1..............2........ .....................3.. ........................ ....
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Lurker. Someone PM'd me that he was a fat guy that claims he is disabled.
About as true as SF1900 being a permabulking Asian. ;D
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Rumor has it he's actually an obese guy living off disability. Makes sense to why he posts 24/7 but it doesn't explain why he's obsessed with Trump.
Rumor has it you are a conehead with a 50” waist and lesbian cankles…. Oh wait that isn’t a rumor.
Just TDfS and TV static posts.
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Lurker. Someone PM'd me that he was a fat guy that claims he is disabled.
Someone lied. Most likely you. But please share it with us.
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Tiny Tony still showcasing his FlashRob crush.
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About as true as SF1900 being a permabulking Asian. ;D
SF1900 is a bulked up Bruce Lee 8)
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What I posted is a fact: the FBI used a battering ram to break the man's door down. That has zero to do with Trump or whatever the heck you are reading from your Trump emails you keep posting. It's pretty hilarious that you get Trump emails and cannot stop talking about the man. :) You clearly have TDS. But you have plenty of company.
Fact, Trumps spinning the truth and making false claims "They are coming for you" likely led to this mans demise. Like ALL those sentenced to prison for following Trumps lead on January 6th, He was just another victim of Trumps lies.
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Fact, Trumps spinning the truth and making false claims "They are coming for you" likely led to this mans demise.
Do you know what fact means?
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Do you know what fact means?
The opposite of TDfS.
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Do you know what fact means?
Yes, but depending on the circle I am in I will be lenient with the word as the people I am talking to. In this case, what I said fits in well with this group. For example, Fact: Multiple people stated Trumpster was armed. Fact: FBI stated said Trumpster pointed said weapon at Law Enforcement before being shot. The fact anyone here is spouting "hit" or "assassination" is absurd. While it may take less than it would have taken to legitimately frame OJ. Simpson (I think it was 70+ people would have had to be in on it) assuming the entire FBI and local L.E that responded where all in on an assassination if something from out of the movies. It appears reality is just too harsh for some people to comprehend so they automatically move into the fantasy world
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The truth can be very discomforting to the poorly educated who can't accept anything outside their limited viewpoint. So they make excuses to pad the gap that their intellect can't bridge.
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The truth can be very discomforting to the poorly educated who can't accept anything outside their limited viewpoint. So they make excuses to pad the gap that their intellect can't bridge.
You won't get coach to read the actual Transcript of Trumps call to the Georgia official, the same as you won't get coach to read Ashleys diary to determine if his favorite russian troll meme is true. Reading anything but a meme or headline is considered heavy lifting by him... he'd rather ignore it and post additional nonsense.
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This idiot has lived for 75 years, and did not know that pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer is a very bad idea? ::) He just wanted to be left alone to make credible threats of violence against elected officials and the FBI in peace. He didn't want to harm anyone other than all the people he repeatedly threatened to kill. Free speech and all that....
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) said its agents followed the Department of Justice’s policy on use of deadly force when they shot a Utah man last week who allegedly made threats against President Biden.
In a statement to Fox News Digital, the FBI said it continues to review the agent-involved shooting that happened at about 6:15 a.m. on Aug. 9 in Provo, Utah.
That morning, agents went to 75-year-old Craig Deleeuw Robertson’s home to serve arrest and search warrants after he allegedly made threats toward elected officials and law enforcement officers.
Robertson resisted arrest and as agents attempted to take him into custody, he pointed a .357 revolver at them," the FBI said. "The FBI takes all shooting incidents involving our agents and task force officers seriously. In accordance with FBI policy, the shooting incident is under review by the FBI’s Inspection Division."
The agency did not have any other details about the investigation.
READ ON THE FOX NEWS APP
But when it comes to when agents are permitted to use deadly force, the FBI said it follows the DOJ’s policy, which was adopted on May 20, 2022.
"Law enforcement officers and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person," the FBI said of the policy, which can be found on the DOJ’s website.
Prosecutors filed a complaint last Monday in U.S. District Court, Utah district, stating that Robertson was being charged with interstate threats, influencing, impeding and retaliating against federal law enforcement officers by threat, and threats against the president.
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Hmmm okay I'll believe you although 1000's wouldn't - ;D
1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.
On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post ;D :D ;D
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. ;D
Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF
1. The FBI Inspection Division and possibly whatever entity was assigned to the task force
2. Typically there is a process. I know when I started in 1993 with a Municipality, nothing was released until the investigation was complete. Typically, 60 days. We thought it important to do a thorough investigation and have everything lined out. For example, sometimes bodycam footage doesn't capture the whole story. Interviedws are held to clear up issues. But in trying to be transparent, certain things like video footage was pushed up to be released withing 14 days Sometimes earlier. What we found was it didn't make much difference. People on day 1 had drawn their conclusions. especially in minority involved shootings. Fast forward to 2023 and not much has changed. Only it isn't racially motivated bias, it's political. Not saying you are guilty of this, just saying it is what it is.
3. Addressing your earlier allegation, I know in LE history cops have been involved in bad shootings. Not very many were premeditated. Where my training and experience may butt up against say, someone who shoots guns at a range is, I'm very familiar with L.E. tactics, the number of officers on scene wouldn't faze me as the more the better, and I would wait to see if anything in the investigation contradicts the initial report before chiming in with an opinion that the FBI is now a hit squad.
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1. The FBI Inspection Division and possibly whatever entity was assigned to the task force
2. Typically there is a process. I know when I started in 1993 with a Municipality, nothing was released until the investigation was complete. Typically, 60 days. We thought it important to do a thorough investigation and have everything lined out. For example, sometimes bodycam footage doesn't capture the whole story. Interviedws are held to clear up issues. But in trying to be transparent, certain things like video footage was pushed up to be released withing 14 days Sometimes earlier. What we found was it didn't make much difference. People on day 1 had drawn their conclusions. especially in minority involved shootings. Fast forward to 2023 and not much has changed. Only it isn't racially motivated bias, it's political. Not saying you are guilty of this, just saying it is what it is.
3. Addressing your earlier allegation, I know in LE history cops have been involved in bad shootings. Not very many were premeditated. Where my training and experience may butt up against say, someone who shoots guns at a range is, I'm very familiar with L.E. tactics, the number of officers on scene wouldn't faze me as the more the better, and I would wait to see if anything in the investigation contradicts the initial report before chiming in with an opinion that the FBI is now a hit squad.
1. The FBI Inspection Division and possibly whatever entity was assigned to the task force
😳 Hmmmm no real surprise 🤬 Cops investigating cops how very open , transparent
& unreasuring - Is it any wonder cops are not trusted or believed- They do that same
Crap over here.
They should be investigated by outside body of people.
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Fact, Trumps spinning the truth and making false claims "They are coming for you" likely led to this mans demise. Like ALL those sentenced to prison for following Trumps lead on January 6th, He was just another victim of Trumps lies.
Those are not facts. They are your opinion.
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Do you know what fact means?
Doesn't sound like it.
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1. The FBI Inspection Division and possibly whatever entity was assigned to the task force
2. Typically there is a process. I know when I started in 1993 with a Municipality, nothing was released until the investigation was complete. Typically, 60 days. We thought it important to do a thorough investigation and have everything lined out. For example, sometimes bodycam footage doesn't capture the whole story. Interviedws are held to clear up issues. But in trying to be transparent, certain things like video footage was pushed up to be released withing 14 days Sometimes earlier. What we found was it didn't make much difference. People on day 1 had drawn their conclusions. especially in minority involved shootings. Fast forward to 2023 and not much has changed. Only it isn't racially motivated bias, it's political. Not saying you are guilty of this, just saying it is what it is.
3. Addressing your earlier allegation, I know in LE history cops have been involved in bad shootings. Not very many were premeditated. Where my training and experience may butt up against say, someone who shoots guns at a range is, I'm very familiar with L.E. tactics, the number of officers on scene wouldn't faze me as the more the better, and I would wait to see if anything in the investigation contradicts the initial report before chiming in with an opinion that the FBI is now a hit squad.
Also you totally avoided this 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post ;D :D ;D
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. ;D
Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF
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Worst case, excessive use of force. Most likely scenario, dude fucked around and found out. He should’ve complied, but probably wanted to die.
You obviously comply when law enforcement tells you to do something. But breaking down someone's door is different.
I want to know what facts led them to use a battering ram to arrest an old man as the reasonable option, instead of just arresting him when he left the house. He was apparently already under surveillance.
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Those are not facts. They are your opinion.
Why don’t you list the alternative facts then.
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Tiny Tony is absolutely desperate for my attention. He can’t stop reading my posts and talking about me to others. Strange behavior for a
Hells Angel, US citizen, killer of many, washed up Pinocchio indeed.
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Tiny Tony is absolutely desperate for my attention. He can’t stop reading my posts and talking about me to others. Strange behavior for a Hells Angel, US citizen, killer of many, washed up Pinocchio indeed.
Babbling again Pedo Pete ???
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Babbling again Pedo Pete ???
The Pedo Pete cock sucker is AIDS infected - The nonce is so far gone
It' think's it's not on ignore ::)
Just ignore or post abuse as it likes that & responds more & more ;D
Yes I see your post WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as it was quoted, ignore
feature doesn't work then - worse luck.
Carry on with your 3 post's meltdowns whenever I post,
I got you so well trained :D ;D :D :D ;D
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Another triggered post by the foreign c unts who can’t stop obsessing over me. They obsess over me more than they do their pedo projections.
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Apparantly he had a 357 Magnum pointed at the agents which is why they sent him to the Shadow Zone. Also, he wasn't a "kind man" ...apparantly he had a history of bad behavior. He was a 75 year old elderly man but I would have shot him multiple times if he pointed a 357 at me
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/trump-supporter-craig-robertson-was-shot-and-killed-after-pointing-a-357-magnum-at-feds-fbi/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
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Apparantly he had a 357 Magnum pointed at the agents which is why they sent him to the Shadow Zone. Also, he wasn't a "kind man" ...apparantly he had a history of bad behavior. He was a 75 year old elderly man but I would have shot him multiple times if he pointed a 357 at me
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/trump-supporter-craig-robertson-was-shot-and-killed-after-pointing-a-357-magnum-at-feds-fbi/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
Yes if he was pointing a firearm at law enforcement they should have shot him, but you have to put it in context. The question is why did they break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his home?
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Ole WOOF WOOF THE POOF POOF Pedo supporter
Just can't stop the Pavlovian response Ha Ha Ha.
Keep it going You Nonce ......................
In 1, 2, 3............
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Yes if he was pointing a firearm at law enforcement they should have shot him, but you have to put it in context. The question is why did they break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his home?
They wanted the adrenaline rush & to play The Big I Am,
Prosecuter, Judge , Jury & Executioner .
Yep sounds like the 75 Yr old was a Complete Twat, also.
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They wanted the adrenaline rush & to play The Big I Am,
Prosecuter, Judge , Jury & Executioner .
Yep sounds like the 75 Yr old was a Complete Twat, also.
Sounds like he was a bit of a screwball. But the Constitution applies to screwballs too.
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Sounds like he was a bit of a screwball. But the Constitution applies to screwballs too.
Clearly Not as far as the FBI hit squad are Concerned
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Clearly Not as far as the FBI hit squad are Concerned
They have really been emboldened since Trump was elected to do whatever they want. Like sending about 20 armed agents to arrest Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.
And remember this guy, arrested months after the alleged incident, then acquitted at trial?
At the time, an attorney for Houck accused the DOJ of targeting the pro-life activist “solely to intimidate people of faith and pro-life Americans.”
“Rather than accepting Mark Houck’s offer to appear voluntarily, the Biden Department of Justice chose to make an unnecessary show of potentially deadly force, sending twenty heavily armed federal agents to the Houck residence at dawn this past Friday,” said the attorney representing Houck, Thomas More Society Vice President and Senior Counsel Peter Breen.
Pro-Life Activist Arrested by FBI Acquitted on Federal Charges
By BRITTANY BERNSTEIN
January 30, 2023
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-life-activist-arrested-by-fbi-acquitted-on-federal-charges/
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Yes if he was pointing a firearm at law enforcement they should have shot him, but you have to put it in context. The question is why did they break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his home?
I’m not sure what you expect. It’s a viable threat against the president, as much a douche as he is, but still warranted taking him down. Throw in that he pointed a gun at them and it’s a recipe for his death.
Would we be saying the same thing if some blue hair got smoked while brandishing a gun after threatening to assassinate Trump?
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I’m not sure what you expect. It’s a viable threat against the president, as much a douche as he is, but still warranted taking him down. Throw in that he pointed a gun at them and it’s a recipe for his death.
Would we be saying the same thing if some blue hair got smoked while brandishing a gun after threatening to assassinate Trump?
I expect them to use the least intrusive or violent methods possible.
I don't really care what his politics were. The Constitution applies to everyone.
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Another triggered post by the foreign c unts who can’t stop obsessing over me. They obsess over me more than they do their pedo projections.
I’m a Hell’s Angel
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Yes, but
Come on maaan. ::)
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I’m not sure what you expect. It’s a viable threat against the president, as much a douche as he is, but still warranted taking him down. Throw in that he pointed a gun at them and it’s a recipe for his death.
Would we be saying the same thing if some blue hair got smoked while brandishing a gun after threatening to assassinate Trump?
I'll answer. No. Absolutely not.
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I’m not sure what you expect. It’s a viable threat against the president, as much a douche as he is, but still warranted taking him down. Throw in that he pointed a gun at them and it’s a recipe for his death.
Would we be saying the same thing if some blue hair got smoked while brandishing a gun after threatening to assassinate Trump?
Is that true?
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I'll answer. No. Absolutely not.
Nobody shot the long list of leftist douchenozzles that threatened Trumps life, knock it off. You were supposed to be smarter than this.
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Yes if he was pointing a firearm at law enforcement they should have shot him, but you have to put it in context. The question is why did they break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his home?
Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.
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Is that true?
Have you not read any of the articles posted?
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Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.
Ahhh This
quote author=chaos link=topic=687138.msg10060340#msg10060340 date=1692229249]
Nobody shot the long list of leftist douchenozzles that threatened Trumps life, knock it off. You were supposed to be smarter than this.
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I Know it was Orange Man Bad & they were Leftist Dummycraps
So its all Good.
;D
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Nobody shot the long list of leftist douchenozzles that threatened Trumps life, knock it off. You were supposed to be smarter than this.
Do you have a link to that list by chance?
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What I posted is a fact: the FBI used a battering ram to break the man's door down. That has zero to do with Trump or whatever the heck you are reading from your Trump emails you keep posting. It's pretty hilarious that you get Trump emails and cannot stop talking about the man. :) You clearly have TDS. But you have plenty of company.
Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.
I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.
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Have you not read any of the articles posted?
Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.
Do you have a link to that list by chance?
No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect. ;)
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Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.
I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.
If my ex had wheels she'd be a Bike
;D
HTH.
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Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.
No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect. ;)
Trump is worser!
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Trump is worser!
Orange man bad!!!
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Orange man bad!!!
Who do the Libturds think is the worst
Russia
China
Orange Man
Or are they in fact all just one entity!!
Ominipresent like God ;D
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Orange man bad!!!
You may have to change this saying of yours a little bit. Trump has not looked as orange lately as he once did. His hair has gone from a piss-yellow to whitish and his face has deepened from orange to red and occasionally lately when he is being indicted, it is ghostly white. Maybe it is just the lighting, huh? Just be careful to not say 'red man bad' because that might get you in a heap of trouble with Native Americans. ;D
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Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.
No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect. ;)
Being uninformed and being ignorant are two different things. While both are achievable in absence of facts, one is of a more programmed nature. Learn the difference.
The fact you are unaware of this despite others than I posting it here just shows how clueless you truly are. Hence the very nature of your replies are :
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I'll answer. No. Absolutely not.
If you are trying to answer for me you are wrong.
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Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.
Pretty dumb scenarios. He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane. He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived. So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents. ::)
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Pretty dumb scenarios. He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane. He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived. So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents. ::)
What about if the FBI was going to outrun the bullets from the gun he pointed at them?
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Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.
I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.
Trump sure occupies a lot of space in your head.
I somewhat agree about his conduct after the election. It doesn't help his chances in 2024. But he legitimately believes the election was stolen from him. No different than Hillary Clinton.
That said, if he just shut up and became a marshmallow, he wouldn't be authentic. He won in 2016 in part by being authentic. I don't like everything about him, but if he's going to win in 2024, it will be in part because he is staying true to himself. Some people love that. Some people hate it.
But none of this has anything to do with why the FBI shot the old man.
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Do you have a link to that list by chance?
Illuminati. do you have a link?
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Pretty dumb scenarios. He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane. He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived. So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents. ::)
No, actually it was a dumb question. Didn't want to say that outright but my scenarios made it clear. Always someone asking "Why didn't they shoot him in the leg? or can't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" always second guessing without facts or experience. So I tried to lessen the clubbing. Turns out, I shouldn't have.
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No, actually it was a dumb question. Didn't want to say that outright but my scenarios made it clear. Always someone asking "Why didn't they shoot him in the leg? or can't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" always second guessing without facts or experience. So I tried to lessen the clubbing. Turns out, I shouldn't have.
You really are not very bright. No one said anything about shooting someone in the leg. Law enforcement is always taught to aim for center mass and shoot until the threat is disabled. That's not the issue.
No, it's not a dumb question to ask whether law enforcement unnecessarily created a situation that resulted in the use of deadly force. But it's definitely a dumb scenario to say an old, fat, disabled man could run away from FBI agents. lol But you gotta not be a dense hack to understand the distinction. That leaves you out in the cold.
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You really are not very bright. No one said anything about shooting someone in the leg. Law enforcement is always taught to aim for center mass and shoot until the threat is disabled. That's not the issue.
No, it's not a dumb question to ask whether law enforcement unnecessarily created a situation that resulted in the use of deadly force. But it's definitely a dumb scenario to say an old, fat, disabled man could run away from FBI agents. lol But you gotta not be a dense hack to understand the distinction. That leaves you out in the cold.
Really don't know whats happened lately to AG 007
Has his account been hacked I wonder by a Complete Retard Khvnt
Sure don't seem to be the same person as he was not long back.
As a former detective I'm sure he'll look into it.
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Really don't know whats happened lately to AG 007
Has his account been hacked I wonder by a Complete Retard Khvnt
Sure don't seem to be the same person as he was not long back.
As a former detective I'm sure he'll look into it.
The truth is, at one point we crossed up our opinions. I took it as a natural path, given your past opinions (and I don't mean this in a derogatory way). But it seems that if I don't agree with you on current things, I must have been hacked by a complete retard Khvnt.
I am the same person. This is life. Somethings people you know and respect will come to believe something you don't. Depending on what it is, you have a few options. It seems you chose to go low with insulting me, although my position is usually backed up with facts. That you or coach don't accept them, that's not my concern.
I am the same person that spoke to you a couple years ago about Corruption of the Noble Cause. Same guy who asks how you are doing. That we disagree on something, and in this case, something that falls within my limited expertise like critical incidents, doesn't change that. Of the two of us, and maybe most on this board, I have likely had the most experience in police involved shootings. If it were about the best way to build traps, I would certainly listen to Coach and a few others.. but this is something I lived and breathed so if we are at an impasse on it,
Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am.
Recapping, I said it is likely it went down as reported. Would take a lot of people agreeing to murder him to come to an assassination conclusion. I know that at least in the last 3 years Federal agents have been required to wear body cams on raids or warrants. So I'm willing to wait.. although it looks like the nice man brought this upon himself, I am willing to wait for the body cam footage and if it shows something different I will be the first the say WTF
I am sincerely willing to go back to the honest discussion phase of this relationship if you are. I offer the same to D.E. and Chaos. I believe we can discuss these things as adults if the truth is truly what we are after and not a blind defense of our position.
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Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am.
Nope, you're definitely that guy. ;D
This is from an Aug 10th article....anyone have anything concrete and real?
Authorities have not confirmed whether Robertson had a weapon or whether he fired any shots. The New York Times, quoting a federal law enforcement official speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Robertson was armed at the time.
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The truth is, at one point we crossed up our opinions. I took it as a natural path, given your past opinions (and I don't mean this in a derogatory way). But it seems that if I don't agree with you on current things, I must have been hacked by a complete retard Khvnt.
I am the same person. This is life. Somethings people you know and respect will come to believe something you don't. Depending on what it is, you have a few options. It seems you chose to go low with insulting me, although my position is usually backed up with facts. That you or coach don't accept them, that's not my concern.
I am the same person that spoke to you a couple years ago about Corruption of the Noble Cause. Same guy who asks how you are doing. That we disagree on something, and in this case, something that falls within my limited expertise like critical incidents, doesn't change that. Of the two of us, and maybe most on this board, I have likely had the most experience in police involved shootings. If it were about the best way to build traps, I would certainly listen to Coach and a few others.. but this is something I lived and breathed so if we are at an impasse on it,
Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am.
Recapping, I said it is likely it went down as reported. Would take a lot of people agreeing to murder him to come to an assassination conclusion. I know that at least in the last 3 years Federal agents have been required to wear body cams on raids or warrants. So I'm willing to wait.. although it looks like the nice man brought this upon himself, I am willing to wait for the body cam footage and if it shows something different I will be the first the say WTF
I am sincerely willing to go back to the honest discussion phase of this relationship if you are. I offer the same to D.E. and Chaos. I believe we can discuss these things as adults if the truth is truly what we are after and not a blind defense of our position.
Fair points .
Yes you have more experience as a cop in certain situations definitely.
My issues are with how you've been coming across - being obtuse & deliberately
Avoiding straight yes / no answers .
Drop the condescending PC Bullshit answers & Talk straight like a man.
You don't like what I say - Then say so .
I posted not long back just a few days that I was Conned & was wrong to Vote
For the Khvnt Boris Johnson - it hurts , only I did & I was wrong & man enough
To admit it .
Something I see totally missing from all Leftist Libturds - Hell just look back at
The China Virus Con / Scam & The Highly Dangerous Vaccines & How they had
Many folk on here acting like retards with what they had people doing - Yet to see One
Have the Balls to admit they were conned & acted stupidly - Oh no just reams of excuses
About listening to Governor's/ Fucboi / CDC etc etc anything other than admit they
Were Fooled & they were.
The vaccines have had more adverse affects & deaths than all previous vaccines
Rolled into one. FACT.
I've frequently stated I held you in high regard. How many on here say that.
Cut the double speak PC bollocks - Call a spade a spade & we'll often disagree
Thats highly likely- only we'll get along just fine.
And No my meds are Not working very well. 😳🤷🏻♂️
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Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.
Did you just say “try to outrun them”?? He was a 75 year old obese man that needed a Cain to stand and walk and by all accounts, could barely make it across the room let alone outrun the cops. The fuck is the matter with you??
They could have served the warrant for his arrest anywhere at anytime. You fucking know this (I think). Gas station, grocery store, church, etc.
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Nope, you're definitely that guy. ;D
This is from an Aug 10th article....anyone have anything concrete and real?
as investigations go, there is initial and final. Sounds like he was armed and they reported he pointed a .357 at him. Asking if anyone has anything concrete or real just underscores your lack of understanding of the process.
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Did you just say “try to outrun them”?? He was a 75 year old obese man that needed a Cain to stand and walk and by all accounts, could barely make it across the room let alone outrun the cops. The fuck is the matter with you??
They could have served the warrant for his arrest anywhere at anytime. You fucking know this (I think). Gas station, grocery store, church, etc.
Was the nutty old man an immediate threat to Pedo Pete ?
Is that what they were afraid of , or to anyone else ??
If he wasn't Then it Seems to me they just wanted to make a Huge Statement
To others .
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Was the nutty old man an immediate threat to Pedo Pete ?
Is that what they were afraid of , or to anyone else ??
If he wasn't Then it Seems to me they just wanted to make a Huge Statement
To others .
Exactly. It was an assassination.
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as investigations go, there is initial and final. Sounds like he was armed and they reported he pointed a .357 at him. Asking if anyone has anything concrete or real just underscores your lack of understanding of the process.
Was the nutty old man an immediate threat to Pedo Pete ?
Is that what they were afraid of , or to anyone else ??
If he wasn't Then it Seems to me they just wanted to make a Huge Statement
To others .
or as Coach just said they could've just as easily & very likely without any
Drama or need to Execute him & picked him up any where out of his home.
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Lol, reading this thread and six pages in people are still talking about how this dude was assassinated and cut down without provocation. It’s like the parents/family of some black kid that gets smoked in the inner city while pointing a gun at cops and they all lament “why’d they take my baby, he was a good boy.” Same thing here, you guys should really take a step back and look at the facts. FBI came to detain a guy who threatened to kill the president of the United States and he pointed a gun at them. This really shouldn’t be up for discussion. It’s not Ruby Ridge.
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Illuminati. do you have a link?
Let me help. You know at his age his eyesight isn't that good. Or intellect. It's taking him a bit longer than usual to make up a lie or come with the usual lame excuse "I post what I want". Pinocchio isn't that great with facts or conversation.
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Ok so the Trumpturds like to claim the man was old. He was fat. He walked with a "Cain".
So.... was he strong enough to pull the trigger of the gun he was pointing at the agents?
It's hilarious the willful stupidity being projected here with these weak ass attempts at spin.
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Ok so the Trumpturds like to claim the man was old. He was fat. He walked with a "Cain".
So.... was he strong enough to pull the trigger of the gun he was pointing at the agents?
It's hilarious the willful stupidity being projected here with these weak ass attempts at spin.
Here dick “cane” I typed this as opposed to the stupid voice to text. So eat me
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Here dick “cane” I typed this as opposed to the stupid voice to text. So eat me
Too bad you don’t have a retard filter on the phone. It would save you from making posts that get your ass owned nonstop.
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Yes if he was pointing a firearm at law enforcement they should have shot him, but you have to put it in context. The question is why did they break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his home?
Because he was considered armed and dangerous. Once you commit criminal acts, law enforcement has no obligation to your personal welfare.
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Trump sure occupies a lot of space in your head.
If he does occupy space in my head, it is only when I am posting in the political threads on Getbig. Outside of this 'joint', I hardly give him a thought.
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Wouldn't the FBI Agents have to fill out a report detailing why they shot him?
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Wouldn't the FBI Agents have to fill out a report detailing why they shot him?
Of course. It will be released at some point. But pretty sure pointing a gun at them was the reason.
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Of course. It will be released at some point. But pretty sure pointing a gun at them was the reason.
Ya think?
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as investigations go, there is initial and final. Sounds like he was armed and they reported he pointed a .357 at him. Asking if anyone has anything concrete or real just underscores your lack of understanding of the process.
How dare I ask a question!!!
Says the guy that assumes Trump is guilty as soon as he's accused, right detective007? ::) Must underscore your lack of understanding of the process.
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Lol, reading this thread and six pages in people are still talking about how this dude was assassinated and cut down without provocation. It’s like the parents/family of some black kid that gets smoked in the inner city while pointing a gun at cops and they all lament “why’d they take my baby, he was a good boy.” Same thing here, you guys should really take a step back and look at the facts. FBI came to detain a guy who threatened to kill the president of the United States and he pointed a gun at them. This really shouldn’t be up for discussion. It’s not Ruby Ridge.
Since they drove an armored vehicle into his house, it's more like Waco. :D
I'm all about stupid games/stupid prizes, but I want some sort of confirmation that's what happened here, seems like LE isn't eager to make the point that he was armed. Reading some of what he posted on the internet, he was a moron for putting that stuff out there. He already knew he was being watched.
https://www.deseret.com/2023/8/9/23826780/witnesses-fbi-kill-utah-man-threats-biden-social-media
When Robertson wouldn’t comply, agents attempted to break his front door down, the neighbor said. The thud of a battering ram echoed through their house, at first sounding like a gunshot. The neighbor compared it to an “armory door. They could not get it open.”
That’s when agents used a breaching vehicle to go through the window, the neighbor said. Images taken in the aftermath show Robertson’s window shattered, with trim hanging from the frame and shades scattered.
Authorities have not confirmed whether Robertson had a weapon or whether he fired any shots. The New York Times, quoting a federal law enforcement official speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Robertson was armed at the time.
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How dare I ask a question!!!
Says the guy that assumes Trump is guilty as soon as he's accused, right detective007? ::) Must underscore your lack of understanding of the process.
Pointing a gun at someone is a crime. Against federal agents is a death wish. That mus underscore your lack of understanding of the process and consequences.
But hey, why not put it to the test. Walk up to feds and pull a gun and see if this incident in Utah was just a random happening. Report back. If you can.
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He was assassinated. It was barely a blip in the cycle and gone the next day. Maybe when Agnostic was a cop and didn’t train (enough) he would shoot someone out of sheer fear OR he was trigger happy.
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He was assassinated. It was barely a blip in the cycle and gone the next day. Maybe when Agnostic was a cop and didn’t train (enough) he would shoot someone out of sheer fear OR he was trigger happy.
Coach, your stupid level is amazing. Your lack of self-awareness is amazing. Your ability to figurately take a baseball bat to the face and get back up to continue the same behavior is amazing. ... You have zero information about the shooting, any information available at this point indicates a justified shooting though I'll wait until the investigation concludes to be safe. Yet you, with less experience in law enforcement than a Cadet that washes out of the academy, you make such a moronic statement and are proud of it. Hell, you double down. I think going forward, I'm not even going to bother responding to your inane comments. They really are so off the wall stupid that if I just sit back and let you continue, it will be just as fun. Maybe one day, you'll somehow smarten up and post things that aren't in the Special Ed Conspiracy camp though I'm not holding my breath.. You've been nothing but consistently ignorant.
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Coach, your stupid level is amazing. Your lack of self-awareness is amazing. Your ability to figurately take a baseball bat to the face and get back up to continue the same behavior is amazing. ... You have zero information about the shooting, any information available at this point indicates a justified shooting though I'll wait until the investigation concludes to be safe. Yet you, with less experience in law enforcement than a Cadet that washes out of the academy, you make such a moronic statement and are proud of it. Hell, you double down. I think going forward, I'm not even going to bother responding to your inane comments. They really are so off the wall stupid that if I just sit back and let you continue, it will be just as fun. Maybe one day, you'll somehow smarten up and post things that aren't in the Special Ed Conspiracy camp though I'm not holding my breath.. You've been nothing but consistently ignorant.
Some Folk like to question things - why do you have an issue with That ?
Cops investigating cops yes your happy with that situation, very many
are not a smell a rat - as countless times the cops are found innocent
of killing / battering public & get a promotion soon after ::)
Do you think we're not entitled to express our views ?
And only yours are allowed & correct.
Before the cops busted into his house exactly who was in imminent
danger of being shot ? Pedo Pete ?
As an ex cop your views are blinkered & are completely Pro all things Cops,
Hardly a fair & open minded view is it ?
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He was assassinated. It was barely a blip in the cycle and gone the next day. Maybe when Agnostic was a cop and didn’t train (enough) he would shoot someone out of sheer fear OR he was trigger happy.
Oh, I don't know.... maybe it was due to the death threats - specifically detailing he was going to keep an armed gun ready for the feds - and then pointed a loaded weapon that did him in.
Yeah, that would be the logic conclusion that anyone who wasn't retarded would reach.
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He was assassinated. It was barely a blip in the cycle and gone the next day. Maybe when Agnostic was a cop and didn’t train (enough) he would shoot someone out of sheer fear OR he was trigger happy.
Martin Luther King was assassinated, John F Kennedy was assassinated, Malcolm was assassinated. He just got shot
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Some Folk like to question things - why do you have an issue with That ?
Cops investigating cops yes your happy with that situation, very many
are not a smell a rat - as countless times the cops are found innocent
of killing / battering public & get a promotion soon after ::)
Do you think we're not entitled to express our views ?
And only yours are allowed & correct.
Before the cops busted into his house exactly who was in imminent
danger of being shot ? Pedo Pete ?
As an ex cop your views are blinkered & are completely Pro all things Cops,
Hardly a fair & open minded view is it ?
In America "It was an assassination" Is NOT questioning things. It is making a conclusive statement about an ongoing situation where any evidence/information available contradicts that conclusion.
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Because he was considered armed and dangerous. Once you commit criminal acts, law enforcement has no obligation to your personal welfare.
What?? No. Due process, equal protection, civil liberties, proper use of force, etc. all apply to people who break the law.
We don't know all the facts.
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I read a couple posts from folks who have very different perspectives about this unfortunate event. They are interesting because essentially both sides posted the same thing which was the intent to wait and see what shakes out. This is an excellent plan. One which is rarely employed on Getbig. On the other hand, some of the other comments typically drew conclusions in the absence of facts to back them up. One person even went so far as to call the shooting an assassination.
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What?? No. Due process, equal protection, civil liberties, proper use of force, etc. all apply to people who break the law.
We don't know all the facts.
We don't until the report is made public and even then, we won't know for sure. From what the article gives, it seems unnecessary to barge in and kill him.
Either way though, the headline sets the tone a certain way.
It could have said:
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents posted on social media about shooting Biden with his sniper rifle
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was reportedly armed and a firearms enthusiast
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents had a “patriotic dream” about shooting California’s Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom with his “suppressed S&W M&P 9mm,”.
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How about :
Agents requested man to come outside, man refused, instead pulled a .357 and pointed it at agents after making prior statements that he would have a loaded gun waiting for them.
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We don't until the report is made public and even then, we won't know for sure. From what the article gives, it seems unnecessary to barge in and kill him.
Either way though, the headline sets the tone a certain way.
It could have said:
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents posted on social media about shooting Biden with his sniper rifle
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was reportedly armed and a firearms enthusiast
Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents had a “patriotic dream” about shooting California’s Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom with his “suppressed S&W M&P 9mm,”.
I agree.
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In America "It was an assassination" Is NOT questioning things. It is making a conclusive statement about an ongoing situation where any evidence/information available contradicts that conclusion.
You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.
I'm asking question's -
Cop's investigating Cop's ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?
And many more questions
Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?
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What?? No. Due process, equal protection, civil liberties, proper use of force, etc. all apply to people who break the law.
We don't know all the facts.
Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents. They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.
He did everything to get that high five. Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.
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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents. They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.
He did everything to get that high five. Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.
Vince, you can't explain something to people that are determined to whine and make excuses no matter what. It is exactly as you stated it to be. Which is exactly as I stated it to be and Agnostic007 stated it to be. Hypocrites are just being stupid or willfully dishonest by suggesting anything else.
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Looks like the scenario could be repeating itself again and again. :)
Subtract another one from being able to vote next year. :D GOOD TIMES!!! (unless you are Trumpy or one of his supporters.)
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“We Will Kill You”: Trump Supporters Threaten Judge, Jurors Amid Indictments
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%E2%80%9CWe+Will+Kill+You%E2%80%9D%3A+Trump+Supporters+Threaten+Judge%2C+Jurors+Amid+Indictments
“You are in our sights, we want to kill you.”
This was the totally normal, not-at-all terrifying voicemail that a Donald Trump supporter left for Judge Tanya Chutkan, the U.S. District Court judge in Washington who is presiding over one of the former president’s indictment cases.
A Texas woman was arrested Wednesday for making this threatening call to Chutkan. Abigail Jo Shry called Chutkan’s chambers on August 5, two days after Trump was indicted in Washington, D.C., for trying to overturn the 2020 election.
Shry called Chutkan, who is Black, a “stupid slave” and said the judge would be “targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it.” Shry warned that “if Trump doesn’t get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you.”
When she was arrested, Shry admitted that she had also threatened to kill Texas Democratic Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, who is also Black.
The same day that Shry was arrested, the grand jurors who indicted Trump in Georgia were doxxed, meaning that their personal information was shared online. Georgia is one of the few states that publishes the names of jurors for the sake of transparency in criminal proceedings.
Internet users have shared the grand jurors names and addresses on far-right message boards and made violent threats against them. One user on the message board where the QAnon conspiracy theory began threatened to “follow these people home and photograph their faces.”
A user on another message board described the jurors’ names as a “hit list.” Another user responded, “Godspeed anons, you have all the long range rifles in the world.”
Yet another user said they were “about ready to go Turner Diaries on these treasonous n***** fucks,” referring to a gruesome white supremacist book, written by a neo-Nazi leader, that has inspired multiple acts of violence.
It should come as no surprise that the people involved in holding Trump accountable, particularly people of color, are under threat from his supporters. Trump supporters rioted on January 6, with many arguing Trump himself had summoned them to Washington. Acts of extremist political violence are on the rise, and many can be traced directly back to Trump’s own rhetoric.
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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents. They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.
He did everything to get that high five. Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.
Its not Pedo Pete & Kamel toe harris he should've been after
It's their String Pullers that's the Problem.
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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents. They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.
He did everything to get that high five. Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.
What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them?
What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden.
So you have enough information to form your opinion. I do not.
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What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them?
What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden.
So you have enough information to form your opinion. I do not.
You can make all the arguments you want but the fact is thst he did it to himself. Case closed
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You can make all the arguments you want but the fact is thst he did it to himself. Case closed
I'm not making any arguments. I'm looking at limited facts and asking questions. He obviously set this entire thing in motion by making stupid comments. Was breaking down his door the only option? I don't know. I doubt it, but I want to see how it all plays out.
It's closed for you. Not for me.
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What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them?
What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden.
So you have enough information to form your opinion. I do not.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/15/utah-man-killed-fbi-raid-had/
Robertson was shot and killed by federal agents at around 6:15 a.m. on Aug. 9 after he allegedly pointed a gun at them as they tried to arrest him, according to an FBI statement released Monday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-man-killed-fbi-pointed-gun-agents-fatal-shooting-rcna99326
A Utah man fatally shot by the FBI on Wednesday was armed when FBI agents confronted him at his home, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News. Authorities said he pointed his weapon at agents and did not respond to their commands.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
Craig Robertson was killed after pointing a revolver at FBI agents who came to his house in numbers last Wednesday. Nearly five years earlier, he brought a handgun into his Provo, Utah, backyard to demand Google Fiber employees working on a utility pole to connect a neighbor's WiFi get off his property, according to a Provo Police incident report obtained by The Associated Press.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-08-14/utah-man-accused-of-threatening-president-pointed-gun-at-agents-fbi-says
The Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden before a trip to Salt Lake City last week pointed a handgun at FBI agents attempting to arrest him, the agency said on Monday.
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You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.
I'm asking question's -
Cop's investigating Cop's ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?
And many more questions
Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?
How would you have handled this situation had you been one of the FBI special agents sent to serve the search warrant on Craig Robertson when he points a gun at you and verbally threatens to shoot you?
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Looks like he received the stupid games/stupid prizes award.
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Martin Luther King was assassinated, John F Kennedy was assassinated, Malcolm was assassinated. He just got shot
I read that one in Chris Rocks voice, not yours. “Cut down by an assassins bullet” ;D
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https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/15/utah-man-killed-fbi-raid-had/
Robertson was shot and killed by federal agents at around 6:15 a.m. on Aug. 9 after he allegedly pointed a gun at them as they tried to arrest him, according to an FBI statement released Monday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-man-killed-fbi-pointed-gun-agents-fatal-shooting-rcna99326
A Utah man fatally shot by the FBI on Wednesday was armed when FBI agents confronted him at his home, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News. Authorities said he pointed his weapon at agents and did not respond to their commands.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
Craig Robertson was killed after pointing a revolver at FBI agents who came to his house in numbers last Wednesday. Nearly five years earlier, he brought a handgun into his Provo, Utah, backyard to demand Google Fiber employees working on a utility pole to connect a neighbor's WiFi get off his property, according to a Provo Police incident report obtained by The Associated Press.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-08-14/utah-man-accused-of-threatening-president-pointed-gun-at-agents-fbi-says
The Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden before a trip to Salt Lake City last week pointed a handgun at FBI agents attempting to arrest him, the agency said on Monday.
All leftist bullshit. I posted an article from Military that stated he was armed (as he’s allowed to be) but nothing on pointing the weapon at anyone.
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You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.
I'm asking question's -
Cop's investigating Cop's ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?
And many more questions
Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?
Ok, I ignored the rest of the post to keep things amicable. But if you insist..
Cops investigating cops.... In MY experience, the SIU (Special Investigations Unit) we had that was soley assigned to investigate critical incidents and the Internal Affairs unit was staffed with officers/detectives/Supervisors with impecable reputations for calling ducks ducks. In fact field officers often felt the SIU and IA were coming down too hard, nitpicking a lot of things. Never did we have an atmosphere where we felt either unit was rubber stamping anything. In fact, we often felt they went overboard trying to find things to pin on the officers. So, no, I don't have a problem with cops investigating cops.
But I understand there are concern among civilians about it and while I am confident in my old Departments abilities, I can't speak for them all. And certainly history has shown there are instances when outcomes of investigations were questionable. But the mere fact Law Enforcement is investigating Law Enforcement isn't that concerning. We also had civilians known as Police Monitors that were advocates of the citizens that would monitor the investigations for transparency.
But if we are at the point where we trust police only when they act as we think they should, I.E. dealing with minorities, and then distrust them when it is someone you may tend to align with, you're talking about a whole different ballgame. I don't know the FBI's divisions, other than they do have a special unit that investigates critical incidents. For me, the likelihood they got all the responders to agree to lie in order to kill the guy is in Coach territory. Having been in the game a long time, I think lying is unlikely as you have body cam footage and written statements from every person on scene. Is it worth spinning a yarn if he didn't point a weapon vs arresting him and putting him through the court system? For me, it's pretty clear.
In every critical incident there are liberals that want to know why X had to happen when it comes to police force. Did they have to do this, did they have to do that. It stems from just lack of knowledge about tactics and the pros and cons of the available choices. If you are asking me why they didn't do X rather than Y I don't know. I didn't sit in on the intel briefing. But I have sat in on many similar briefings. I can honestly tell you this, there hasn't been a police shooting that I am aware of, no matter how clean.. that some of the public didn't complain about it. The only thing that has changed in the last month is one of the suspects was a right wing republican
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Ok, I ignored the rest of the post to keep things amicable. But if you insist..
Cops investigating cops.... In MY experience, the SIU (Special Investigations Unit) we had that was soley assigned to investigate critical incidents and the Internal Affairs unit was staffed with officers/detectives/Supervisors with impecable reputations for calling ducks ducks. In fact field officers often felt the SIU and IA were coming down too hard, nitpicking a lot of things. Never did we have an atmosphere where we felt either unit was rubber stamping anything. In fact, we often felt they went overboard trying to find things to pin on the officers. So, no, I don't have a problem with cops investigating cops.
But I understand there are concern among civilians about it and while I am confident in my old Departments abilities, I can't speak for them all. And certainly history has shown there are instances when outcomes of investigations were questionable. But the mere fact Law Enforcement is investigating Law Enforcement isn't that concerning. We also had civilians known as Police Monitors that were advocates of the citizens that would monitor the investigations for transparency.
But if we are at the point where we trust police only when they act as we think they should, I.E. dealing with minorities, and then distrust them when it is someone you may tend to align with, you're talking about a whole different ballgame. I don't know the FBI's divisions, other than they do have a special unit that investigates critical incidents. For me, the likelihood they got all the responders to agree to lie in order to kill the guy is in Coach territory. Having been in the game a long time, I think lying is unlikely as you have body cam footage and written statements from every person on scene. Is it worth spinning a yarn if he didn't point a weapon vs arresting him and putting him through the court system? For me, it's pretty clear.
In every critical incident there are liberals that want to know why X had to happen when it comes to police force. Did they have to do this, did they have to do that. It stems from just lack of knowledge about tactics and the pros and cons of the available choices. If you are asking me why they didn't do X rather than Y I don't know. I didn't sit in on the intel briefing. But I have sat in on many similar briefings. I can honestly tell you this, there hasn't been a police shooting that I am aware of, no matter how clean.. that some of the public didn't complain about it. The only thing that has changed in the last month is one of the suspects was a right wing republican
Yet again you fail to be concise & address the points raised
and just waffle on about how you trust the Cops.
Me & others have had different experiences with cops and are well aware
that cops do Lie quite often to cover their own backs & their boyfriends,
ther's countless examples - hell how many have been executed only for
years later to be exonerated as evidence was suppressed or altered to
fit the person they got.
Cops are the Biggest criminal gang , they have the best equipment to
cover for themselves.
So many have the I'm a Cop & can do as I want to who I want Mentality.
Yes They'res a Minority who don't are very decent cop's & people.
An outside No police investigation would be far better & more trustworthy.
Still Those in Maui did get the whole $700 didn't they ?
And Pedo pete had no cause to interrupt his holiday.
;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Got Laugh or we'd go cracker's .
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All leftist bullshit. I posted an article from Military that stated he was armed (as he’s allowed to be) but nothing on pointing the weapon at anyone.
Reality has a liberal basis.
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I'm not making any arguments. I'm looking at limited facts and asking questions. He obviously set this entire thing in motion by making stupid comments. Was breaking down his door the only option? I don't know. I doubt it, but I want to see how it all plays out.
It's closed for you. Not for me.
Its closed for me because he's dead. In retrospect, his family should have gotten a POA on him years ago when he started ranting and making death threats at people and got rid of his weapons. But he's gone and not coming back and no one is going to investigate it
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As soon as he pointed that gun at federal agents, he developed an acute allergic reaction to oxygen.
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Reality has a liberal basis.
Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…
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Yet again you fail to be concise & address the points raised
and just waffle on about how you trust the Cops.
Me & others have had different experiences with cops and are well aware
that cops do Lie quite often to cover their own backs & their boyfriends,
ther's countless examples - hell how many have been executed only for
years later to be exonerated as evidence was suppressed or altered to
fit the person they got.
Cops are the Biggest criminal gang , they have the best equipment to
cover for themselves.
So many have the I'm a Cop & can do as I want to who I want Mentality.
Yes They'res a Minority who don't are very decent cop's & people.
An outside No police investigation would be far better & more trustworthy.
Still Those in Maui did get the whole $700 didn't they ?
And Pedo pete had no cause to interrupt his holiday.
;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Got Laugh or we'd go cracker's .
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Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…
Coach, I hope you and your family are safe during this upcoming Hillary event.
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Ok
Hey 👊🏻
Twice now you've agreed with Me , Excellent.
You must be recovering from Libturdia & starting to think rationaly & normally
Let's hope it continues.
;D
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Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…
It takes a lot of retardation to buy into your delusions doesn't it?
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Its closed for me because he's dead. In retrospect, his family should have gotten a POA on him years ago when he started ranting and making death threats at people and got rid of his weapons. But he's gone and not coming back and no one is going to investigate it
Since he was older, maybe he had Alzheimer’s disease which can cause aggressive or violent behavior.
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It takes a lot of retardation to buy into your delusions doesn't it?
Yeah, the reality is they, along with China because at this point they’re basically one and the same, do more damage to this country than Russia could even hope to do. Congrats, you voted for this. You are the enemy
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Yeah, the reality is they, along with China because at this point they’re basically one and the same, do more damage to this country than Russia could even hope to do. Congrats, you voted for this. You are the enemy
Technically, Coach, you are the enemy because you are in the minority. The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens' ideas and concerns in government. The majority of the citizens elected Joe Biden President in 2020 not Donald Trump.
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Yeah, the reality is they, along with China because at this point they’re basically one and the same, do more damage to this country than Russia could even hope to do. Congrats, you voted for this. You are the enemy
If your delusions are so common place and your retardation is the "norm", then why do other Republicans on this board never get on board with your wacked out claims? Once you start in with the bullshit and clickbait thread postings, they are strangely silent.
The only enemy you have is reality. :'(
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Since he was older, maybe he had Alzheimer’s disease which can cause aggressive or violent behavior.
Maybe he was just sick of the governments shit and made the mistake of voicing his thoughts and opinions on the internet? Shouldn't be threatening government employees if you don't want some alphabet agency knocking on your door.
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Maybe he was just sick of the governments shit and made the mistake of voicing his thoughts and opinions on the internet? Shouldn't be threatening government employees if you don't want some alphabet agency knocking on your door.
You know, I cannot disagree with you about this. If someone is busily posting anti-government/establishment thoughts, opinions, and threats on the internet, sooner or later someone is going to notice. It might be someone who decides to report it, or someone employed by a government agency. You just never know who reads nutty posts and takes them seriously. Do you suppose Getbig is under surveillance due to some of the remarks posted here which threaten government, politicians, or the establishment? I've read some heinous posts on Getbig. Surely you have too. The FBI and maybe the CIA probably have dossiers on several members of Getbig.
I 2010 a young fellow, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, who was a naturalized United States citizen was arrested by the FBI for trying to bomb Pioneer Square during the annual lighting of the Christmas tree. He graduated from Westview High School in Beaverton, Ore., a Portland suburb, and had been taking classes at Oregon State in Corvallis.
The terrorism attempt was the latest is a string of plots involving Americans or immigrants who had become radicalized, often through exposure to extremist Web sites.
This was an interesting case because FBI agents befriended this fellow, and some say possibly encouraged his plot to detonate a bomb in downtown Portland. The FBI referred to it as a sting. Perhaps it was. These undercover agents worked with Mohamed for about a year.
The F.B.I.’s surveillance started in August 2009 after agents intercepted his e-mails with a man he had met in Oregon who had returned to the Middle East, according to a law enforcement official who described the man as a recruiter for terrorism.
Mohamed Osman Mohamud 23, AKA Ibnul Mubarak was convicted in 2013 of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction was sentenced to serve 30 years in prison, followed by a lifetime term of supervised release. He had no previous criminal record.
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Yeah, the reality is they, along with China because at this point they’re basically one and the same, do more damage to this country than Russia could even hope to do. Congrats, you voted for this. You are the enemy
I clicked on your post to see if you acknowledged my post that you and your family are safe during Storm Hillary. Obviously I found you ignored my well wishes and kept to the moronic posts...
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I clicked on your post to see if you acknowledged my post that you and your family are safe during Storm Hillary. Obviously I found you ignored my well wishes and kept to the moronic posts...
Facts, kindness, reality and weather can't make a dent in his Bubble Of Delusions.
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Another one. I have questions.
FBI Kills Yet Another American in His Own Home, This Time It's a '100% Disabled Veteran'
By Jared Harris
August 27, 2023
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-kills-yet-another-american-home-time-100-disabled-veteran/
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Another one. I have questions.
FBI Kills Yet Another American in His Own Home, This Time It's a '100% Disabled Veteran'
By Jared Harris
August 27, 2023
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-kills-yet-another-american-home-time-100-disabled-veteran/
Until the FBI releases more information, many folks have questions, as is expected. One question should be what his disability was. He had severe PDSD according to his older brother and suffered from depression. PTSD alone can leave someone 100% disabled. A 100% PTSD rating is often difficult to obtain through VA because it requires a veteran's symptoms to be so severe that he or she is totally impaired and unable to function in every day life.
Theodore Deschler also had a decades long criminal past including time before he served with arrests ranging from aggravated assault and assault with a deadly weapon. He was also arrested last May as a suspect after a stabbing at a Tennessee gas station.
The rating criteria for a total disability rating for PTSD are:
100% – Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name.
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Another one. I have questions.
FBI Kills Yet Another American in His Own Home, This Time It's a '100% Disabled Veteran'
By Jared Harris
August 27, 2023
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-kills-yet-another-american-home-time-100-disabled-veteran/
Prime says the alphabet agencies haven't been armed against the American people.
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Prime says the alphabet agencies haven't been armed against the American people.
No, Prime never said this. What Prime does say is that you have no trouble lying about what people say.
Prime said there is likely more to story to consider before drawing any conclusions. I also said the FBI needs to release more information (answer some questions).
If you followed my posts with regards to the FBI more closely, you'd know I have been known to question their actions.