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https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html)
CNN
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A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.
Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.
Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud.
In the order, the judge rejected Trump’s deposition testimony in which the former president said that the financial statements were not fraudulent because they contained disclaimers. Trump said the statements contained a “worthless clause” in them warning lenders and others that they shouldn’t be relied on.
Tuesday, the judge said that “the defendants’ reliance on these ‘worthless’ disclaimers is worthless.”
James has alleged that Trump, three of his children, his companies and his business executives defrauded lenders, insurers and other entities.
In the lawsuit, James claims that Trump reaped a “substantial” financial benefit by putting forward faulty information in his financial statements, including $150 million in the form of favorable interest rates he obtained from the banks that the attorney general said his team misled.
Engoron said the remaining issues for trial are determining liability on other claims in the lawsuit, as well as how much Trump and the other defendants should pay.
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lol…sure. Take any of these fake indictments and cases to a venue that’s even close to neutral and it all gets dismissed…all of it.
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lol…sure. Take any of these fake indictments and cases to a venue that’s even close to neutral and it all gets dismissed…all of it.
Trump will be pleased to know that you are laughing about this.
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Trump will be pleased to know that you are laughing about this.
It’ll only give him another boost…keep it coming
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It’ll only give him another boost…keep it coming
He will need another boost. A very large boost. :)
'New York Attorney General Letitia James is seeking a penalty of $250m and a ban on the former US president doing business in the state.
Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.
Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded as punishment, making it difficult or impossible for them to do business in New York. The judge also said he would continue to have an independent monitor oversee the Trump Organization’s operations. (Note; about half of Trump's income comes from his business in New York)
Engoron’s ruling – which comes in a phase of the case known as summary judgement – resolves the key claim in James’s lawsuit, but six others remain.'
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He will need another boost. A very large boost. :)
'New York Attorney General Letitia James is seeking a penalty of $250m and a ban on the former US president doing business in the state.
Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.
Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded as punishment, making it difficult or impossible for them to do business in New York. The judge also said he would continue to have an independent monitor oversee the Trump Organization’s operations. (Note; about half of Trump's income comes from his business in New York)
Engoron’s ruling – which comes in a phase of the case known as summary judgement – resolves the key claim in James’s lawsuit, but six others remain.'
Stalin would be proud….
Until you understand that none of this is legit (which will be never) and all they’re trying to do is render him broke so he can’t defend himself, the more you’ll get it…or not.
But as history has shown, it NEVER ends well for communists.
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There are at least 12 real estate firms in NY that are larger than Trump’s business entities. I don’t believe for one second that Trump’s businesses do anything different or differently from those other firms. ::)
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I like how retards think adding “fake” to everything automatically renders the proof, outcome, evidence, and reality as invalid. ::)
Look it’s fake Tuesday.
Hahaha the fake sun rises in the fake west
Qoach has fake retardation
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Trump will be pleased to know that you are laughing about this.
Wonder how pleased Trumpy is knowing that everyone is aware he isn’t as rich and he likes to pretend?
Wonder how pleased Trumpy is knowing this type of ruling is a New York Corporate Death Penalty?
GOOD TIMES!
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There are at least 12 real estate firms in NY that are larger than Trump’s business entities. I don’t believe for one second that Trump’s businesses do anything different or differently from those other firms. ::)
This here. All things being fair, Trump isn't the only one manipulating numbers to get ahead. This is a classic case of Trump pissing off the establishment. Meh. :-\
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Copy paste posts from RT because I am lazy:
Cristo Mario
do they really think Trump sat at his kitchen table, scratched his head and decided he will "inflate" the value of his property? This guy employ multi-billion dollar accounting, property valuation firms to do the numbers for him based on market values at the time... good luck. SCOTUS will end up getting involved and overturn this sham.
Tau
Surely the responsibility of determining the perceived true value of any assets held by the borrower put up as collateral for a loan lies with the lending party themselves. This is what is known as 'due diligence' in the industry. To suggest that the responsibility lies with the borrower is ridiculous and completely unworkable as far as the lenders are concerned.
Cristo Mario
Tau, They are too stupid to think about it that way... as if the bank will give you a bigger loan and more favorable rates just because you say your house is worth twice the value on their books... LMAO.
This is all bullshit and an obvious harassment of Trump, the Candidate. Looks like he will need a restraining order against the illegitimate Biden Regime and Deep State Judges / Prosecutors. This is a clear sign the US is going down the fucking toilet like the Roman Empire.
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This here. All things being fair, Trump isn't the only one manipulating numbers to get ahead. This is a classic case of Trump pissing off the establishment. Meh. :-\
If you inflate the value of your home by 2x, do you think the bank will take your word for it and give you a bigger loan?! Fuck no, they will have their own numbers. Ultimately the banks signed off on his valuations. And he did not personally do those valuations. He probably had staff or accountants come up with it. And so what if they were overvalued, the banks signed off on it and made money due to the interest he paid.
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TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
How so many are so Pissed off & unhappy about everything
Donald does is Truly Marvellous 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Well done Donald 👊🏻
Keep frying their minds 🤣😂🤣
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Wait. This judge said Mara-a-Lago is only worth $18M? No way.
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Wait. This judge said Mara-a-Lago is only worth $18M? No way.
Greg Kelly on Newsmax just blew that ridiculous number out of the water with a listing of comps in the area. This judge is full of shit.
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Greg Kelly on Newsmax just blew that ridiculous number out of the water with a listing of comps in the area. This judge is full of shit.
These fascists have no shame.
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Stalin would be proud….
Until you understand that none of this is legit (which will be never) and all they’re trying to do is render him broke so he can’t defend himself, the more you’ll get it…or not.
But as history has shown, it NEVER ends well for communists.
I had a case with him once years ago in a construction matter. This judge is as old and senile as Biden THEN. Look him up.
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I had a case with him once years ago in a construction matter. This judge is as old and senile as Biden THEN. Look him up.
Everyone knows all this shit is political.
When someone runs a campaign on the platform they're going after Trump, what does anyone think is going to happen.
I don't even care about Trump, I don't want him elected, but what they are doing is stupid.
Many Democrats agree.
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Meanwhile, Ivanka is just having a sly smile over all this. She has proven to be the smartest Trumpy
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lol…sure. Take any of these fake indictments and cases to a venue that’s even close to neutral and it all gets dismissed…all of it.
There are at least 12 real estate firms in NY that are larger than Trump’s business entities. I don’t believe for one second that Trump’s businesses do anything different or differently from those other firms. ::)
I don't really think so. No matter who they are charging whether it's a member of the Biden crime family, Trump, Clarence, or this Menedez shrill, there has to be enough evidence that warrants a charge. There are too many litigators and others who monitor these charges to suggest that there is collusion and a hidden agenda in that a small group of people are deciding this.
And even so, Trump may beat the charge because maybe he did nothing wrong.
Someone is responsible for inflating the values. Someone signed off on it in Trump's company or a bank. That's part of what the investigation is about.
As for the 12 real estate firms, unless they are fully engaged in blatant fraud it makes no long-term sense to purposefully lie about the value of properties. Painting all of them with a broad brush and dismissing it isn't practical and in effect has nothing to do with Trump's charges.
Unless of course, the whole dam thing is corrupt which would mean we are fucked anyway.
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I don't really think so. No matter who they are charging whether it's a member of the Biden crime family, Trump, Clarence, or this Menedez shrill, there has to be enough evidence that warrants a charge. There are too many litigators and others who monitor these charges to suggest that there is collusion and a hidden agenda in that a small group of people are deciding this.
And even so, Trump may beat the charge because maybe he did nothing wrong.
Someone is responsible for inflating the values. Someone signed off on it in Trump's company or a bank. That's part of what the investigation is about.
As for the 12 real estate firms, unless they are fully engaged in blatant fraud it makes no long-term sense to purposefully lie about the value of properties. Painting all of them with a broad brush and dismissing it isn't practical and in effect has nothing to do with Trump's charges.
Unless of course, the whole dam thing is corrupt which would mean we are fucked anyway.
They valued Mira a Lago at $18 million. It was speculated between $400-$600 mil with some estimates of over a Billion. Trump said himself as with others that he’s never missed a loan payment and have been paid off and has little debt and can and has proved it. Willis campaign when she was running was to get Trump at all costs.
Again, Stalin would be proud
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They valued Mira a Lago at $18 million. It was speculated between $400-$600 mil with some estimates of over a Billion. Trump said himself as with others that he’s never missed a loan payment and have been paid off and has little debt and can and has proved it. Willis campaign when she was running was to get Trump at all costs.
Again, Stalin would be proud
I doubt Stalin would be proud. Stalin advocated equal poverty for everyone and was known not to live lavishly with little personal luxuries as opposed to our current state of politicians on both sides who are doing the bidding of the ultra-rich.
Trump is being charged with overvaluing his net worth to gain favorable loan and insurance terms reaping hundreds of millions in benefits. I read as much as 38%.
This will all be fleshed in court as Trump's attorneys move to prove he did not do anything fraudulent or misleading.
This is just 1 of 4.
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Check out the comps. It's laughable. What was this judge smoking?
Real estate insiders bewildered by judge’s $18M valuation of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago: ‘Would list at $300M’
By Mary K. Jacob
Published Sep. 27, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-worth-at-least-300m-sources/
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I doubt Stalin would be proud. Stalin advocated equal poverty for everyone and was known not to live lavishly with little personal luxuries as opposed to our current state of politicians on both sides who are doing the bidding of the ultra-rich.
Trump is being charged with overvaluing his net worth to gain favorable loan and insurance terms reaping hundreds of millions in benefits. I read as much as 38%.
This will all be fleshed in court as Trump's attorneys move to prove he did not do anything fraudulent or misleading.
This is just 1 of 4.
Stalin would be proud. Trump isn’t everyone. He’s the leading political candidate for President.
“The trials were held against Stalin’s political enemies, such as the Trotskyists and those involved with the Right Opposition of the Communist Party. The trials were shams that led to the execution of most defendants. Every surviving member of the Lenin-era part was tried, and almost every important Bolshevik from the Revolution was executed. Over 1,100 delegates to the party congress in 1934 were arrested”
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JUST IN - A New York judge ruled that Trump inflated his property values, including Mar-a-Lago, which the judge determined was worth $18-$27 million from 2011 to 2021.
To put this into perspective, neighboring homes on 0.28-0.89 acres are listed for $18-40 million.
Mar-a-Lago, the 20-acre property in the middle, is worth less despite being 20 to 70 times larger.
@EricTrump: "The real estate circles in Florida are laughing at this foolishness."
@DonaldJTrumpJr: "If Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million… I’ll take 10 please!!!"
https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1706838593086668946?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
A much smaller home on the same street sold for 53 million.
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JUST IN - A New York judge ruled that Trump inflated his property values, including Mar-a-Lago, which the judge determined was worth $18-$27 million from 2011 to 2021.
To put this into perspective, neighboring homes on 0.28-0.89 acres are listed for $18-40 million.
Mar-a-Lago, the 20-acre property in the middle, is worth less despite being 20 to 70 times larger.
@EricTrump: "The real estate circles in Florida are laughing at this foolishness."
@DonaldJTrumpJr: "If Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million… I’ll take 10 please!!!"
https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1706838593086668946?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
A much smaller home on the same street sold for 53 million.
Lurker and PrimeFAG won't even look at this.
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Lurker and PrimeFAG won't even look at this.
We don’t have to. ;)
How do you think those sanctions that were served up to be paid will taste?
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what is the state tax valuation on his house?
Doesn't really matter, because market value is usually much higher than tax assessed value.
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We don’t have to. ;)
How do you think those sanctions that were served up to be paid will taste?
So this old judge knows more than the banks that lent trump the money and did their own appraisals. So stupid for you to believe this. I’ve been before this judge before about 6 years ago. He was senile and old then.
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Stalin would be proud. Trump isn’t everyone. He’s the leading political candidate for President.
“The trials were held against Stalin’s political enemies, such as the Trotskyists and those involved with the Right Opposition of the Communist Party. The trials were shams that led to the execution of most defendants. Every surviving member of the Lenin-era part was tried, and almost every important Bolshevik from the Revolution was executed. Over 1,100 delegates to the party congress in 1934 were arrested”
No one is getting executed. There are rights for opposition in our country that are protected by law in a capitalist system. These trials will not be shams as they will be public with the right for a defense based on our judicial system.
No Stalin is still not impressed and wants you to give all your earnings to the state.
JUST IN - A New York judge ruled that Trump inflated his property values, including Mar-a-Lago, which the judge determined was worth $18-$27 million from 2011 to 2021.
To put this into perspective, neighboring homes on 0.28-0.89 acres are listed for $18-40 million.
Mar-a-Lago, the 20-acre property in the middle, is worth less despite being 20 to 70 times larger.
@EricTrump: "The real estate circles in Florida are laughing at this foolishness."
@DonaldJTrumpJr: "If Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million… I’ll take 10 please!!!"
https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1706838593086668946?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
A much smaller home on the same street sold for 53 million.
The charges are not hinging on Mar-Go. Also, a judge's opinion shouldn't be the determining factor. An appraiser will.
Here are some of the charges:
Trump and the co-defendants used a slew of tricks — including making at least 200 false or misleading statements inflating assets — to carry out a conspiracy that netted them at least $250 million. These misrepresentations — which falsely showed Trump made billions more than he did in reality — were made on “Statements of Financial Condition” that were given to financial institutions such as Cushman & Wakefield, Deutsche Bank and Mazars Group for loan applications and for insurance purposes.
As a result, the defendants received favorable loan and insurance terms, which included higher limits and lower premiums, the suit claims.
“Each statement was personally certified as accurate by Mr. Trump or by one of his trustees,”
Trump valued his 40 Wall Street property at as much as $530 million in 2013 when it was actually appraised at $220 million in 2012, the court papers claim.
He also exaggerated the square footage of his triplex in Trump Tower, claiming it was 30,000 square feet when it was actually just under 11,000 square feet, the suit alleges. This exaggeration meant that the property was valued at $327 million — a price that no apartment in New York has ever sold for…
Trump claimed that 12 rent-controlled apartments at Trump Park Avenue were worth $50 million total when they were valued by a third-party appraiser at $750,000 total, the suit states.
The Trump Organization was able to lower its federal tax obligations through the purported scheme.
For instance, the suit alleges that Eric Trump led the company’s efforts to develop the Seven Springs estate in Westchester County from 2011 – and worked with an outside tax council to get a federal tax deduction by completing a conservation easement donation.
Eric invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the easement donation related to Seven Springs, which “ultimately, and fraudulently, reduced Mr. Trump’s tax liability by more than $3.5 million.”
But hey, let's focus on Mar-go because why not?
Look if he's innocent it will be proven so. He has the money to buy him self the best hair spray legal team in the world to defend him. Look at how well that helped OJ and he got it for free right?.
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No one is getting executed. There are rights for opposition in our country that are protected by law in a capitalist system. These trials will not be shams as they will be public with the right for a defense based on our judicial system.
No Stalin is still not impressed and wants you to give all your earnings to the state.
The charges are not hinging on Mar-Go. Also, a judge's opinion shouldn't be the determining factor. An appraiser will.
Here are some of the charges:
Trump and the co-defendants used a slew of tricks — including making at least 200 false or misleading statements inflating assets — to carry out a conspiracy that netted them at least $250 million. These misrepresentations — which falsely showed Trump made billions more than he did in reality — were made on “Statements of Financial Condition” that were given to financial institutions such as Cushman & Wakefield, Deutsche Bank and Mazars Group for loan applications and for insurance purposes.
As a result, the defendants received favorable loan and insurance terms, which included higher limits and lower premiums, the suit claims.
“Each statement was personally certified as accurate by Mr. Trump or by one of his trustees,”
Trump valued his 40 Wall Street property at as much as $530 million in 2013 when it was actually appraised at $220 million in 2012, the court papers claim.
He also exaggerated the square footage of his triplex in Trump Tower, claiming it was 30,000 square feet when it was actually just under 11,000 square feet, the suit alleges. This exaggeration meant that the property was valued at $327 million — a price that no apartment in New York has ever sold for…
Trump claimed that 12 rent-controlled apartments at Trump Park Avenue were worth $50 million total when they were valued by a third-party appraiser at $750,000 total, the suit states.
The Trump Organization was able to lower its federal tax obligations through the purported scheme.
For instance, the suit alleges that Eric Trump led the company’s efforts to develop the Seven Springs estate in Westchester County from 2011 – and worked with an outside tax council to get a federal tax deduction by completing a conservation easement donation.
Eric invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the easement donation related to Seven Springs, which “ultimately, and fraudulently, reduced Mr. Trump’s tax liability by more than $3.5 million.”
But hey, let's focus on Mar-go because why not?
Look if he's innocent it will be proven so. He has the money to buy him self the best hair spray legal team in the world to defend him. Look at how well that helped OJ and he got it for free right?.
Very naive. These are show trials.
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Very naive
Not at all. I am just not drinking that kool-aid you drink.
Think about this:
Judge Engoron's ruling was a victory for New York Attorney General Letitia James in her lawsuit against Trump. His decision effectively decided that no trial was needed to determine that the former president had fraudulently secured favorable terms on loans and insurance deals.
James has argued that Trump inflated the value of his properties by as much as $2.2 billion and is seeking a penalty of about $250 million.
The judge's order will not dissolve Trump's company but will impact its operations. Trump can appeal.
The trial will determine the size of the penalty Trump will face.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/121015DOG7GPM.jpg?resize=768,521&quality=75&strip=all)
dude looks creeepy
The evidence must be pretty solid for him to do that.
If not it will be overturned in an appeal.
I am not making a determination of guilt here. I don't have it all in front of me now and I am not a lawyer, detective or judge.
But it doesn't look good for him. And no amount of whining or mar-go this and naive that will change anything.
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Not at all. I am just not drinking that kool-aid you drink.
Think about this:
Judge Engoron's ruling was a victory for New York Attorney General Letitia James in her lawsuit against Trump. His decision effectively decided that no trial was needed to determine that the former president had fraudulently secured favorable terms on loans and insurance deals.
James has argued that Trump inflated the value of his properties by as much as $2.2 billion and is seeking a penalty of about $250 million.
The judge's order will not dissolve Trump's company but will impact its operations. Trump can appeal.
The trial will determine the size of the penalty Trump will face.
The evidence must be pretty solid for him to do that.
If not it will be overturned in an appeal.
I am not making a determination of guilt here. I don't have it all in front of me now am I a lawyer, detective or judge.
But it doesn't look good for him. And no amount of whining or mar-go this and naive that will change anything.
So your contention is that everything being thrown at Trump even besides this is all legal, constitutional and on the up and up?
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Stalin would be proud….
Until you understand that none of this is legit (which will be never) and all they’re trying to do is render him broke so he can’t defend himself, the more you’ll get it…or not.
But as history has shown, it NEVER ends well for communists.
I understand that a summary judgement is legit. Trump and his attorneys may appeal it and they could win or lose the appeal. There is a reason we have laws and a legal system. Trump and his family can no longer do business in New York and this ruling very likely hugely negatively impacts their finances.
Not sure who you are calling a communist. Is it the judge? Is it me? If it is me, what influence do I have over that summary judgement or any of the multitude of other charges against Trump.
BTW, you do realize Trump and his attorneys asked a bench trial as opposed to a jury trial. This sped up the process and resulted in the summary judgement. Essentially, he got what he asked for. He brought this onto himself. Lesson learned, be careful of what you ask for.
'Mr. Trump's lawyers had asked Justice Engoron for a so-called summary judgment — a ruling that they were entitled to a victory before trial based on undisputed facts — seeking to toss out many claims against him.' New York Times
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So your contention is that everything being thrown at Trump even besides this is all legal, constitutional and on the up and up?
No not at all. What I am saying is that our judicial system is in effect and Trump will have a turn to defend against the charges in court and if he is innocent of any wrongdoing his legal team will be able to defend him.
But with that being said and how this is all coming down it doesn't look good for him.
And the only thing I have seen on this forum is:
1. Mar-go
2. Charges are a sham
3. I am Naive
4. 12 real estate companies that do the same thing
Come on people is that all there is?
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No one is getting executed. There are rights for opposition in our country that are protected by law in a capitalist system. These trials will not be shams as they will be public with the right for a defense based on our judicial system.
No Stalin is still not impressed and wants you to give all your earnings to the state.
The charges are not hinging on Mar-Go. Also, a judge's opinion shouldn't be the determining factor. An appraiser will.
Here are some of the charges:
Trump and the co-defendants used a slew of tricks — including making at least 200 false or misleading statements inflating assets — to carry out a conspiracy that netted them at least $250 million. These misrepresentations — which falsely showed Trump made billions more than he did in reality — were made on “Statements of Financial Condition” that were given to financial institutions such as Cushman & Wakefield, Deutsche Bank and Mazars Group for loan applications and for insurance purposes.
As a result, the defendants received favorable loan and insurance terms, which included higher limits and lower premiums, the suit claims.
“Each statement was personally certified as accurate by Mr. Trump or by one of his trustees,”
Trump valued his 40 Wall Street property at as much as $530 million in 2013 when it was actually appraised at $220 million in 2012, the court papers claim.
He also exaggerated the square footage of his triplex in Trump Tower, claiming it was 30,000 square feet when it was actually just under 11,000 square feet, the suit alleges. This exaggeration meant that the property was valued at $327 million — a price that no apartment in New York has ever sold for…
Trump claimed that 12 rent-controlled apartments at Trump Park Avenue were worth $50 million total when they were valued by a third-party appraiser at $750,000 total, the suit states.
The Trump Organization was able to lower its federal tax obligations through the purported scheme.
For instance, the suit alleges that Eric Trump led the company’s efforts to develop the Seven Springs estate in Westchester County from 2011 – and worked with an outside tax council to get a federal tax deduction by completing a conservation easement donation.
Eric invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the easement donation related to Seven Springs, which “ultimately, and fraudulently, reduced Mr. Trump’s tax liability by more than $3.5 million.”
But hey, let's focus on Mar-go because why not?
Look if he's innocent it will be proven so. He has the money to buy him self the best hair spray legal team in the world to defend him. Look at how well that helped OJ and he got it for free right?.
Yeah, you kinda have to base it on Mira a Logo since everyone knows it was a BS evaluation at $18 when the comps in the area are 3-4x more at a half acre or less compared to Mira a Lagos 200+ acres. It’s doesn’t take an appraiser to know this is complete BS.
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No not at all. What I am saying is that our judicial system is in effect and Trump will have a turn to defend against the charges in court and if he is innocent of any wrongdoing his legal team will be able to defend him.
But with that being said and how this is all coming down it doesn't look good for him.
And the only thing I have seen on this forum is:
1. Mar-go
2. Charges are a sham
3. I am Naive
4. 12 real estate companies that do the same thing
Come on people is that all there is?
I’ve already stated that if trials were in an even remotely neutral venues there would be no trials let alone charges. But instead you have DC (96% Dem) Manhattan (98%) Atlanta (90% + Dem.
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Yeah, you kinda have to base it on Mira a Logo since everyone knows it was a BS evaluation at $18 when the comps in the area are 3-4x more at a half acre or less compared to Mira a Lagos 200+ acres. It’s doesn’t take an appraiser to know this is complete BS.
No you don't. 1 incorrect assessment doesn't discount other instances of fraud.
Think of it like this: A football team gets penalized 20 times in a game. 1 of the penalties turns out to be false. That doesn't negate the other 19.
Each of Trump's instances of fraud are stand-alone. He's kind of fucked. I personally don't like the judgment without a trial but there will opportunity to appeal. That's why I say the evidence must be pretty strong.
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I’ve already stated that if trials were in an even remotely neutral venues there would be no trials let alone charges. But instead you have DC (96% Dem) Manhattan (98%) Atlanta (90% + Dem.
You are only assuming that without looking at the evidence against him. And you are assuming that there is no credible evidence (mar-go) or that the evidence that does exist wouldn't be compelling enough to obligate a judge to make a charge regardless of Dem/Repub.
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Like I said a few weeks ago. These are sad times because the fucking the American people have been getting from both sides is coming to light.
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Yeah, you kinda have to base it on Mira a Logo since everyone knows it was a BS evaluation at $18 when the comps in the area are 3-4x more at a half acre or less compared to Mira a Lagos 200+ acres. It’s doesn’t take an appraiser to know this is complete BS.
It is Mar-a-Lago's evaluation that was put at $18 million. I have never heard of 'Mira a Lagos', so it could well be worth more than that depending on where it is located and what it is.
If you want to be taken seriously, you really should investigate a better way of communicating than speech to text. I think your mobile phone cannot understand what you say. Maybe it is because you talk funny. :)
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No you don't. 1 incorrect assessment doesn't discount other instances of fraud.
Think of it like this: A football team gets penalized 20 times in a game. 1 of the penalties turns out to be false. That doesn't negate the other 19.
Each of Trump's instances of fraud are stand-alone. He's kind of fucked. I personally don't like the judgment without a trial but there will opportunity to appeal. That's why I say the evidence must be pretty strong.
Being incorrect is being off by like 5-10% of the comps being off by a billion dollars is intentional and should be cause for a forensic audit of the COURT to see how they managed to come up with absurd numbers
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It is Mar-a-Lago's evaluation that was put at $18 million. I have never heard of 'Mira a Lagos', so it could well be worth more than that depending on where it is located and what it is.
If you want to be taken seriously, you really should investigate a better way of communicating than speech to text. I think your mobile phone cannot understand what you say. Maybe it is because you talk funny. :)
I get it. When you can’t make your case, split hairs. Go back to bed
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No you don't. 1 incorrect assessment doesn't discount other instances of fraud.
Think of it like this: A football team gets penalized 20 times in a game. 1 of the penalties turns out to be false. That doesn't negate the other 19.
Each of Trump's instances of fraud are stand-alone. He's kind of fucked. I personally don't like the judgment without a trial but there will opportunity to appeal. That's why I say the evidence must be pretty strong.
I agree, asking for a summary judgment was a very bad decision on the part of Trump and his legal team. He should fire those attorneys. The only problem with this is that he is rapidly running out of attorneys willing to take him on as a client.
He does appear to have some options though. 'He can appeal the ruling and seek an emergency stay of the trial, a move that Mr. Trump's lawyers indicated they might pursue. Even if that does not work, Mr. Trump is awaiting a decision from an appeals court on the lawsuit he filed against Justice Engoron.' NY Times
'It’s extremely unlikely to work for a number of good reasons.' https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-trumps-gambit-to-get-rid-of-judge-arthur-engoron-by-suing-him
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No you don't. 1 incorrect assessment doesn't discount other instances of fraud.
Think of it like this: A football team gets penalized 20 times in a game. 1 of the penalties turns out to be false. That doesn't negate the other 19.
Each of Trump's instances of fraud are stand-alone. He's kind of fucked. I personally don't like the judgment without a trial but there will opportunity to appeal. That's why I say the evidence must be pretty strong.
A better analogy would be the 1 penalty is not only false, but spectacularly false. Like calling a CB for pass interference on a running play. A call that bad calls into question everything the refs call.
Same with this judge saying Mar-A-Lago is worth $18M. I mean a high school kid could figure out that number is BS.
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I get it. When you can’t make your case, split hairs. Go back to bed
Yes well, I may be old, and I do on rare occasion take a nap, I was not in bed at 3:01 p.m. ;D
What case was I trying to make?
You make cases out of almost everything. I'm just having some fun with you. Are you ever not serious? Lighten up!
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So your contention is that everything being thrown at Trump even besides this is all legal, constitutional and on the up and up?
It is all legal.
It is all constitutional.
It is on the up and up.
Guess all those attacks on the judge didn’t work out.
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Well that little business certificate got cancelled. :-*
I guess all the red hats can cry “fake” or “debunked” and pretend it never happened.
The judge’s decision certainly cut down on the trial already. It’s been proven that these “fake” numbers were done purposely. Making lame excuses isn’t going to alter facts or reality. “That’s fantasy land that is not the real world”
Trumpy had his chance to explain things in the past. But he pled the 5th over and over. Can’t cry now.
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A better analogy would be the 1 penalty is not only false, but spectacularly false. Like calling a CB for pass interference on a running play. A call that bad calls into question everything the refs call.
Same with this judge saying Mar-A-Lago is worth $18M. I mean a high school kid could figure out that number is BS.
Sure but I doubt that all the other evidence stacked in this case isn’t nearly as bogus as the Mar-go thing appears to be. Like I said earlier the case doesn’t hinge on Mar-go. And it hinges on much more than I listed.
But all that will come out on the appeal if there is any merit to it.
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Being incorrect is being off by like 5-10% of the comps being off by a billion dollars is intentional and should be cause for a forensic audit of the COURT to see how they managed to come up with absurd numbers
I hope so. This biz cert getting cancelled is concerning.
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If you inflate the value of your home by 2x, do you think the bank will take your word for it and give you a bigger loan?! Fuck no, they will have their own numbers. Ultimately the banks signed off on his valuations. And he did not personally do those valuations. He probably had staff or accountants come up with it. And so what if they were overvalued, the banks signed off on it and made money due to the interest he paid.
Kind of the point. Does anyone here think Trump or the people running his organizations are unique in that? Democrats see every headline against Trump as a "gotcha" moment. Very lackluster.
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Maybe if he turned over all the accounting, financial statements, and “numbers” way back when they requested them, he would better evidence in favor. Or at least with his testimony a believable explanation for the differences.
His circus, his monkeys.
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Not at all. I am just not drinking that kool-aid you drink.
Think about this:
Judge Engoron's ruling was a victory for New York Attorney General Letitia James in her lawsuit against Trump. His decision effectively decided that no trial was needed to determine that the former president had fraudulently secured favorable terms on loans and insurance deals.
James has argued that Trump inflated the value of his properties by as much as $2.2 billion and is seeking a penalty of about $250 million.
The judge's order will not dissolve Trump's company but will impact its operations. Trump can appeal.
The trial will determine the size of the penalty Trump will face.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/121015DOG7GPM.jpg?resize=768,521&quality=75&strip=all)
dude looks creeepy
The evidence must be pretty solid for him to do that.
If not it will be overturned in an appeal.
I am not making a determination of guilt here. I don't have it all in front of me now and I am not a lawyer, detective or judge.
But it doesn't look good for him. And no amount of whining or mar-go this and naive that will change anything.
Are we to believe there is no political influence happening with these cases against Trump?
I know, "post the proof" ::) I don't need to prove anything about a question. But I won't blindly follow a media or a legal system that has spent the last 6 years trying to destroy the man.
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Sure but I doubt that all the other evidence stacked in this case isn’t nearly as bogus as the Mar-go thing appears to be. Like I said earlier the case doesn’t hinge on Mar-go. And it hinges on much more than I listed.
But all that will come out on the appeal if there is any merit to it.
You're assuming the judge's spectacular mistake is isolated. I'm not.
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You're assuming the judge's spectacular mistake is isolated. I'm not.
It will come to surface. I think there is too much against him to matter. But I could be incorrectly assuming that.
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It will come to surface. I think there is too much against him to matter. But I could be incorrectly assuming that.
I will not give these people the benefit of the doubt. They have lost their minds trying to destroy this man. And he is still either competitive or leading in the polls. It's making them even crazier. I think if they take him down we will lose our country.
Have you talked to people with TDS in real life? They are unhinged. They don't care about the Constitution, evidence, fairness, etc., so long as whatever happens gets rid of Trump. I've never seen anything like it.
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I will not give these people the benefit of the doubt. They have lost their minds trying to destroy this man. And he is still either competitive or leading in the polls. It's making them even crazier. I think if they take him down we will lose our country.
Have you talked to people with TDS in real life? They are unhinged. They don't care about the Constitution, evidence, fairness, etc., so long as whatever happens gets rid of Trump. I've never seen anything like it.
No lol. Never talked to anyone with TDS in real life but some of my friends from high school are crazy Trump supporters calling for an armed revolution and the hanging and execution of Biden and Obama. Most peeps I know and interact with are on both sides but are reasonable people.
For me it’s the legal system that s allows a defense and the full examination and challenging of the evidence. Simply dismissing it as a bias Judge, DA or what ever doesn’t hold up because of that. He is not getting tried in a secret courtroom or being denied his rights. He has every chance to prove his innocence. It’s so likely that there is too much stacked against him.
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No lol. Never talked to anyone with TDS in real life but some of my friends from high school are crazy Trump supporters calling for an armed revolution and the hanging and execution of Biden and Obama. Most peeps I know and interact with are on both sides but are reasonable people.
For me it’s the legal system that s allows a defense and the full examination and challenging of the evidence. Simply dismissing it as a bias Judge, DA or what ever doesn’t hold up because of that. He is not getting tried in a secret courtroom or being denied his rights. He has every chance to prove his innocence. It’s so likely that there is too much stacked against him.
If only it were that simple. Take the "rape"/defamation case Trump just went through. He had a trial in front of a judge and jury. No secret courtroom, etc. But if you look at the context, it's straight up fascist. The claim was over 20 years old. The "victim" worked with the New York legislature to reopen decades old claims for alleged rape victims, for the sole purpose of targeting Trump. She then hired a lawyer, who was bankrolled by wealthy Democrat donor. They then present his case to a jury where about 90 percent of the pool consists of Trump haters. The jury found him liable for some kind sexual misconduct, despite the fact the woman could not remember the precise location or even the year when this alleged assault happened. It's a joke.
This "fraud" stuff is no different. The prosecutor has dedicated her career to getting Trump and is open about it. They refused to charge him with a crime, because it's BS and because there are no victims. Trump borrowed money and repaid it. The lenders are not complaining. This whole thing is friggin stupid.
All of this stuff is designed to injure Trump and make him unelectable.
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Realtors: Mar-a-Lago's $18M Valuation 'Delusional'
A New York judge’s lowball valuation for Donald Trump’s real estate properties has sent shockwaves through real estate and political circles, the New York Post reports.
Insiders are especially flummoxed by Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron’s $18 million assessment for Trump’s 20-acre oceanfront Mar-a-Lago golf club in Palm Beach.
“It’s utterly delusional to think that property is only worth $18 million,” one prominent Palm Beach, Fla., real estate broker told the Post on the condition of anonymity.
“If that property were on the market today, I would list it at $300 minimum … at least. He also has the separate golf course minutes away,” the realtor added.
Engoron ruled that the former president inflated the value of his wealth. His ruling—made without a jury under the guise the “facts” were unequivocal and none was needed—holds Trump and the Trump Organizations liable for fraud, mirroring the central allegation in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit against the 45th president of the United States, who made a name for himself with blockbuster New York real estate deals.
Engoron’s 35-page verdict cites a Palm Beach Assessor valuation for the property of $18 million to $28 million between the years 2011 and 2021.
A two-acre wooded lot five minutes away from Mar-a-Lago is currently listed for $150 million, and another, 2.3-acre plot is on the market for $200 million.
In March, Rush Limbaugh’s widow, Kathryn Adams Limbaugh, sold his Palm Beach estate on 2.7 acres for $155 million.
Purchased in 1985 for $10 million by Trump, the 128-room mansion with a 20,000-square-foot ballroom was appraised for $160 million in 2018 by Forbes.
Built between 1924 and 1927 for businesswoman and socialite Marjorie Merriweather Post, Mar-a-Lago is a National Historic Landmark.
The judge and AG James allege Trump exaggerated the value of his business and properties in order to obtain more favorable bank loans and insurance.
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/donald-trump-fraud-lawsuit-mar-a-lago/2023/09/27/id/1136112/
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For me it’s the legal system that s allows a defense and the full examination and challenging of the evidence. Simply dismissing it as a bias Judge, DA or what ever doesn’t hold up because of that.
So question nothing because a judge said so? You realize judges are people too right?
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So question nothing because a judge said so? You realize judges are people too right?
No not at all. I am saying that the judge's decision will fall under scrutiny and because there is an opposition to advocate for the defendant, the Judges decision will be examined.
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If only it were that simple. Take the "rape"/defamation case Trump just went through. He had a trial in front of a judge and jury. No secret courtroom, etc. But if you look at the context, it's straight up fascist. The claim was over 20 years old. The "victim" worked with the New York legislature to reopen decades old claims for alleged rape victims, for the sole purpose of targeting Trump. She then hired a lawyer, who was bankrolled by wealthy Democrat donor. They then present his case to a jury where about 90 percent of the pool consists of Trump haters. The jury found him liable for some kind sexual misconduct, despite the fact the woman could not remember the precise location or even the year when this alleged assault happened. It's a joke.
Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby had similar charges when people from decades back came forward. Don't forget we are talking about a guy here who on tape said he likes to grab women's pussies which in some respects equates to sexual assault. Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt here; anyone who is trying to do something that shakes up the establishment is going to be a target and if there are things he may have done in the past and in the present that make him vulnerable. That's on him. Furthermore, shame on the lawyer for allowing 90 percent Trump haters on the jury. Did the lawyer not manage jury selection well or was the entire pool filled with 90% Trump haters?
This "fraud" stuff is no different. The prosecutor has dedicated her career to getting Trump and is open about it. They refused to charge him with a crime, because it's BS and because there are no victims. Trump borrowed money and repaid it. The lenders are not complaining. This whole thing is friggin stupid.
All of this stuff is designed to injure Trump and make him unelectable.
In my mind, if a person commits fraud and benefits from it, it doesn't matter if no one is hurt. I am really disturbed about how they are going about this in the area of the corporate death penalty. Fine him, sure, but seizing his business really concerns me and seems fascist/commy or whatever.
I don't like Trump. I don't think he is good for America. But I don't think (at the moment) a state or federal government should have the right to do this.
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Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby had similar charges when people from decades back came forward. Don't forget we are talking about a guy here who on tape said he likes to grab women's pussies which in some respects equates to sexual assault. Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt here; anyone who is trying to do something that shakes up the establishment is going to be a target and if there are things he may have done in the past and in the present that make him vulnerable. That's on him. Furthermore, shame on the lawyer for allowing 90 percent Trump haters on the jury. Did the lawyer not manage jury selection well or was the entire pool filled with 90% Trump haters?
In my mind, if a person commits fraud and benefits from it, it doesn't matter if no one is hurt. I am really disturbed about how they are going about this in the area of the corporate death penalty. Fine him, sure, but seizing his business really concerns me and seems fascist/commy or whatever.
I don't like Trump. I don't think he is good for America. But I don't think (at the moment) a state or federal government should have the right to do this.
Weinstein and Cosby were not the same. Weinstein was unquestionably a predator. I think Cosby did some of what he was accused of, but I had a problem with the fact some of the allegations were so old. But neither one of them had a situation like Trump, where the "victim" worked with Democrats in the state legilslature to change the law for the sole purpose of targeting Trump. Then being bankrolled by a Democrat donor. Then not having details about the alleged rape. She couldn't even identity the year that it happened. Come on now.
Regarding the jury pool, when the population is made up of 90 percent Trump haters, the odds of having Trump haters on the jury are pretty high.
There is no question that rape case was a political hit job.
Regarding fraud, I hear what you are saying. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of fraud. I'm saying fraud requires a victim and there is no victim.
I keep saying this, but if we allow these zealots to destroy Trump using the tactics they have used, we are finished. And I say this not as a "Trump supporter," but as an American.
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Weinstein and Cosby were not the same. Weinstein was unquestionably a predator. I think Cosby did some of what he was accused of, but I had a problem with the fact some of the allegations were so old. But neither one of them had a situation like Trump, where the "victim" worked with Democrats in the state legilslature to change the law for the sole purpose of targeting Trump. Then being bankrolled by a Democrat donor. Then not having details about the alleged rape. She couldn't even identity the year that it happened. Come on now.
Regarding the jury pool, when the population is made up of 90 percent Trump haters, the odds of having Trump haters on the jury are pretty high.
There is no question that rape case was a political hit job.
Regarding fraud, I hear what you are saying. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of fraud. I'm saying fraud requires a victim and there is no victim.
I keep saying this, but if we allow these zealots to destroy Trump using the tactics they have used, we are finished. And I say this not as a "Trump supporter," but as an American.
I didn't pay much attention to that case. What law was changed?
Personally Ithink its kind of crazy to wait 20 years to come forward and then it becomes word vs word.
I asked this of ChatGPT:
"If I misrepresent my financial status to receive a loan from a bank have I committed a crime?"
ChatGPT:
I'm not a legal expert, but it's important to know that intentionally misrepresenting your financial status to receive a loan from a bank is generally considered fraud. In many jurisdictions, this is a criminal offense that can result in severe penalties, including fines and imprisonment. Laws can vary by jurisdiction, but the act of knowingly providing false information to a financial institution with the intent to deceive is usually taken very seriously. If you find yourself in such a situation, it's crucial to consult with a legal professional for advice tailored to your specific circumstances.
Saying there isn't a victim here and therefore in essence saying "no harm no foul", does not apply. If he committed fraud he committed a crime.
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I didn't pay much attention to that case. What law was changed?
Personally Ithink its kind of crazy to wait 20 years to come forward and then it becomes word vs word.
I asked this of ChatGPT:
"If I misrepresent my financial status to receive a loan from a bank have I committed a crime?"
ChatGPT:
I'm not a legal expert, but it's important to know that intentionally misrepresenting your financial status to receive a loan from a bank is generally considered fraud. In many jurisdictions, this is a criminal offense that can result in severe penalties, including fines and imprisonment. Laws can vary by jurisdiction, but the act of knowingly providing false information to a financial institution with the intent to deceive is usually taken very seriously. If you find yourself in such a situation, it's crucial to consult with a legal professional for advice tailored to your specific circumstances.
Saying there isn't a victim here and therefore in essence saying "no harm no foul", does not apply. If he committed fraud he committed a crime.
I posted about Jean Carroll getting the law changed here:
So a Democrat private citizen worked with a Democrat state legislature to pass a law targeting a single American citizen (a Republican), filed a lawsuit against that private citizen, funded by a Democrat donor, tried in front of a likely Democrat jury. Crazy stuff.
“The fact that New York passed this law, the Adult Survivors Act,” CNN’s Poppy Harlow said. “They passed it just a few years ago. Were it not for that law, you never would have been able to bring this case.”
“Exactly. This would never – I would never have this window, this year of having the ability to bring a lawsuit for rape. Robbie can explain it better,” Carroll responded.
“E. Jean actually helped to get that law passed,” Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said. “It passed last year. We filed – it was Thanksgiving Day, the first day you could sue.
E. Jean Carroll Admits She Helped New York Dems Change Law So She Could Sue Trump
BRIANNA LYMAN
NEWS AND COMMENTARY WRITER
May 10, 2023
https://dailycaller.com/2023/05/10/trump-accuser-e-jean-carroll-adult-survivors-act/?utm_medium=email&pnespid=tKR7FHscJqZC16Wbpz_7FY3U5gK2DMVoNvGym_c0qB9m3Ia0H3ZUEmcTtYJr38vkNdDxk3rlvg
Regarding fraud, if Trump committed a crime then why isn't he being prosecuted for that crime? Because they knew they didn't have a victim. They refused to prosecute him and instead filed a civil claim.
The victims in this alleged fraud would have been the lenders. But the lenders loaned money, Trump repaid the loans, and the lenders are not complaining.
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Regarding fraud, if Trump committed a crime then why isn't he being prosecuted for that crime? Because they knew they didn't have a victim. They refused to prosecute him and instead filed a civil claim.
The victims in this alleged fraud would have been the lenders. But the lenders loaned money, Trump repaid the loans, and the lenders are not complaining.
This:Trump made an argument, which the judge framed this way: “Defendants’ stance is, practically speaking, that they may submit false SFCs so long as the recipients know, from their own due diligence, that the information was false.” Moreover, they claimed “that overvaluations of two hundred million dollars are immaterial,” because the banks made millions in interest.
The judge’s response: “As has been explained to defendants many times, in many legal proceedings, and in painstaking detail, ‘where, as here, there is a claim based on fraudulent activity [under Executive Law 63(12)], disgorgement may be available as an equitable remedy, notwithstanding the absence of loss to individuals or independent claims for restitution.’”
New York’s legislature passed this law io “guarantee a marketplace that adheres to standards of fairness.”
What this means is the judge is clarifying that under the specific law cited (Executive Law 63(12)), the state can seek to have profits gained through fraudulent activity returned ("disgorged"), even if no individual person has filed a claim for restitution or suffered a demonstrable financial loss. This is significant because it sets a lower bar for the state to seek this particular remedy, making it easier to hold fraudulent actors accountable.
Basically your BS can get in you in trouble in New York
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I haven't paid attention this other than hearing some news blurbs.
If the judge said Mar A Lago (or however it's spelled) is worth 18M, but Trump gets real estate experts to change the value, does this go away?
I know Trump said it's 300M because he could get a Saudi to buy it instantly if he wanted, but have seen other things saying the 18M is laughably low, as comps in the area with only 1/2 acre have sold for more.
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Trump made an argument, which the judge framed this way: “Defendants’ stance is, practically speaking, that they may submit false SFCs so long as the recipients know, from their own due diligence, that the information was false.” Moreover, they claimed “that overvaluations of two hundred million dollars are immaterial,” because the banks made millions in interest.
The judge’s response: “As has been explained to defendants many times, in many legal proceedings, and in painstaking detail, ‘where, as here, there is a claim based on fraudulent activity [under Executive Law 63(12)], disgorgement may be available as an equitable remedy, notwithstanding the absence of loss to individuals or independent claims for restitution.’”
New York’s legislature passed this law io “guarantee a marketplace that adheres to standards of fairness.”
Disgorgement of what? The money they repaid, with interest?
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I haven't paid attention this other than hearing some news blurbs.
If the judge said Mar A Lago (or however it's spelled) is worth 18M, but Trump gets real estate experts to change the value, does this go away?
I know Trump said it's 300M because he could get a Saudi to buy it instantly if he wanted, but have seen other things saying the 18M is laughably low, as comps in the area with only 1/2 acre have sold for more.
The judge apparently relied on tax assessed value. Market value is determined largely by comps, not tax assessed value.
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Disgorgement of what? The money they repaid, with interest?
The loan amount?
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The loan amount?
The loan amount that was repaid with interest? Man this is some seriously stupid stuff.
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I don’t understand how some folks don’t realize this is all political to keep him from running again. Nothing more. Whether you like the guy or not, this is done for only one reason. It sucks because it will only keep the tit for tat going.
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I don’t understand how some folks don’t realize this is all political to keep him from running again. Nothing more. Whether you like the guy or not, this is done for only one reason. It sucks because it will only keep the tit for tat going.
Exactly. That's what I keep saying. They used law enforcement agencies to target him with the Russia hoax. They are using state prosecutors to target him. Biden's DOJ is targeting him. All designed to make him unelectable. If he had faded into the private sector after 2020, none of this would be happening.
I was really hoping DeSantis would get the nomination, but after all this crap, I am rooting for Trump. At this point, he has to win. We cannot allow this Banana Republic stuff to succeed.
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I will not give these people the benefit of the doubt. They have lost their minds trying to destroy this man. And he is still either competitive or leading in the polls. It's making them even crazier. I think if they take him down we will lose our country.
Have you talked to people with TDS in real life? They are unhinged. They don't care about the Constitution, evidence, fairness, etc., so long as whatever happens gets rid of Trump. I've never seen anything like it.
Copied from the classic often used Trump line. “problems ... the likes of which perhaps we’ve never seen." "We're doing numbers like we've never seen." "...at levels that nobody has ever seen before."
Trump also has been known to say, "Everything in life is luck." Currently, it looks like his good luck has run out.
My how times have changed. Remember when he said this in 1990, "Well, if I ever ran for office, I'd do better as a Democrat than as a Republican - and that's not because I'd be more liberal, because I'm conservative. But the working guy would elect me. He likes me. When I walk down the street, those cabbies start yelling out their windows."
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Copied from the classic often used Trump line. “problems ... the likes of which perhaps we’ve never seen." "We're doing numbers like we've never seen." "...at levels that nobody has ever seen before."
Trump also has been known to say, "Everything in life is luck." Currently, it looks like his good luck has run out.
My how times have changed. Remember when he said this in 1990, "Well, if I ever ran for office, I'd do better as a Democrat than as a Republican - and that's not because I'd be more liberal, because I'm conservative. But the working guy would elect me. He likes me. When I walk down the street, those cabbies start yelling out their windows."
What is your point?
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What is your point?
Does everything have to have a point with you? Well, if you must the one possibility is that you seem take your talking points directly from what Trump says. I guess this can happen when someone hangs on his every word like it is the gospel.
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What is your point?
Does everything have to have a point with you? Well, if you must the one possibility is that you seem take your talking points directly from what Trump says. I guess this can happen when someone hangs on his every word like it is the gospel.
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Does everything have to have a point with you? Well, if you must the one possibility is that you seem take your talking points directly from what Trump says. I guess this can happen when someone hangs on his every word like it is the gospel.
What you posted was rambling and not relevant to my comments. That's why I asked. Just trying to understand what you were saying. Thanks for clarifying.
Regarding Trump, remind me again which one of us gets emails from Trump and cannot stop talking about him? :)
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Hahaha so the red hats still won't acknowledge that all this is because he broke the law. ::)
Political? ::)
It's his own little dumpster fire. He has no one but himself to blame.
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ALL CAPS rage. Looks like we are going to find out he isn't worth as much as he claims. :'( How sad.
Just watch, in a last ditch attempt to delay this even more he will change his legal team and request an extension. ::)
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Trump Freaks out After Judge Finds Him Liable for Fraud: ‘I AM WORTH MUCH MORE THAN THE NUMBERS SHOWN’
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+Freaks+out+After+Judge+Finds+Him+Liable+for+Fraud%3A+%E2%80%98I+AM+WORTH+MUCH+MORE+THAN+THE+NUMBERS+SHOWN%E2%80%99
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I have to say... This law seems a little totalitarian to me.
Giving a state the power to enforce what amounts to a corporate death penalty over fraud without a trial is overreach and abusive.
I support consequences for fraud even though there isn't a clear-cut victim. But I don't think the power should be given to a small group within a state government to decide this. It needs to happen in a trial and the penalties should be in proportion to the crime. If financial restitution is the consequence or disgorgement then the company should be given the opportunity to cure. If they can't then a judgment is filed and the company can then get seized for assets to cure.
As for targeting Trump...
No shit. Why wouldn't his opposition be targeting him? Think about some of the shit that comes out of his mouth and the threats he's made since 2016. He put himself on the firing line and people aren't going to roll over and let him do whatever. Welcome to the big leagues where you are on the firing line every day which means your shit better be in order or you will get burned. If he didn't want to get targeted then he shouldn't have stepped in the arena.
Him getting targeted? I wouldn't expect any less from either side.
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I have to say... This law seems a little totalitarian to me.
Giving a state the power to enforce what amounts to a corporate death penalty over fraud without a trial is overreach and abusive.
I support consequences for fraud even though there isn't a clear-cut victim. But I don't think the power should be given to a small group within a state government to decide this. It needs to happen in a trial and the penalties should be in proportion to the crime. If financial restitution is the consequence or disgorgement then the company should be given the opportunity to cure. If they can't then a judgment is filed and the company can then get seized for assets to cure.
As for targeting Trump...
No shit. Why wouldn't his opposition be targeting him? Think about some of the shit that comes out of his mouth and the threats he's made since 2016. He put himself on the firing line and people aren't going to roll over and let him do whatever. Welcome to the big leagues where you are on the firing line every day which means your shit better be in order or you will get burned. If he didn't want to get targeted then he shouldn't have stepped in the arena.
Him getting targeted? I wouldn't expect any less from either side.
You expect Biden to target his political opponent using the DOJ and criminal prosecutions? For other Democrats to target Trump for criminal prosecutions?
Keep in mind this is unprecedented.
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You expect Biden to target his political opponent using the DOJ and criminal prosecutions? For other Democrats to target Trump for criminal prosecutions?
Keep in mind this is unprecedented.
I expect anyone will use whatever they can to target a political opponent within the confines of the legal system if in fact there is reasonable evidence to warrant such.
Trump has:
Classified unsecured docs at Margo
Evidence of fraud in New York State
Georgia election interference
Hush money on the eve of the 2016 election
If any of these has weak evidence behind them, any lawyer worth their salt gets them thrown out or at the very least wins in court. These indictments have merit and it doesn't matter who pulls the trigger or who the gun is.
Same with Biden, Trump, Santos, Menedez, etc.
At some point, people have to wake the fuck up and stop crying "unfair".
The dude is dirty.
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I expect anyone will use whatever they can to target a political opponent within the confines of the legal system if in fact there is reasonable evidence to warrant such.
Trump has:
Classified unsecured docs at Margo
Evidence of fraud in New York State
Georgia election interference
Hush money on the eve of the 2016 election
If any of these has weak evidence behind them, any lawyer worth their salt gets them thrown out or at the very least wins in court. These indictments have merit and it doesn't matter who pulls the trigger or who the gun is.
At some point, people have to wake the fuck up and stop crying "unfair".
The dude is dirty.
That really gives too much credit to the system. The system doesn't always get it right. Like the Trump "rape" case. Should have never happened. Or the partisan prosecutors whose sole mission is to interfere in the election by making Trump unelectable.
Trump might be the most investigated American citizen in American history. After getting his tax returns, lawyer-client communications, private social media messages, spying, etc., they really have nothing. If he was "dirty," they would have something more than he paid off a porn star, kept documents he obtained while POTUS, and made speeches and contested the 2020 election.
This attempt to criminalize political differences and use law enforcement to target political enemies is the stuff of Third World countries.
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That really gives too much credit to the system. The system doesn't always get it right. Like the Trump "rape" case. Should have never happened. Or the partisan prosecutors whose sole mission is to interfere in the election by making Trump unelectable.
Trump might be the most investigated American citizen in American history. After getting his tax returns, lawyer-client communications, private social media messages, spying, etc., they really have nothing. If he was "dirty," they would have something more than he paid off a porn star, kept documents he obtained while POTUS, and made speeches and contested the 2020 election.
This attempt to criminalize political differences and use law enforcement to target political enemies is the stuff of Third World countries.
It's much more than that. If it was as you say, it would easily be won or thrown out or maybe even never get to this point.
There is evidence that warrants these indictments.
The dude is dirty.
Meanwhile: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna118140 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna118140)
Our system certainly doesn't always get it right. But that's why there is an appeal process. And sure even then, sometimes evidence comes to light that exonerates a felon. But that's seldom.
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It's much more than that. If it was as you say, it would easily be won or thrown out or maybe even never get to this point.
There is evidence that warrants these indictments.
The dude is dirty.
Meanwhile: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna118140 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna118140)
Our system certainly doesn't always get it right. But that's why there is an appeal process. And sure even then, sometimes evidence comes to light that exonerates a felon. But that's seldom.
That's simply not accurate. It's not easy to get rid of criminal indictments. And you have to take into account the TDS factor. What we have seen since 2016 is unprecedented lawlessness that included the FBI, the DOJ, judges, etc. They used the FISA courts to obtain warrants to spy on Trump based on a a dossier that contained false information and was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. We had a years-long special counsel investigation that turned up nothing. It took the Durham Report, over six years later, to show that it was all BS. So no, it's not easy to get rid of BS claims and allegations, particularly when they are supported by the government.
I have tried to walk some of my very educated, smart friends through the actual facts regarding the Russia hoax, etc. What I typically get is a response similar to yours: Trump is dirty. Except they just talk about what a terrible person he is, his tweets, etc. I remember talking to one of my friends who owns a small business and he was talking about how much the Trump tax cuts helped him and his business. I asked if he was not supporting him? He said: No. He's a terrible person. Those are emotional responses based on extreme dislike for Trump.
You really should try removing Trump's name and substituting "American citizen" when looking at everything. It's outrageous. This Banana Republic stuff will destroy the country.
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That's simply not accurate. It's not easy to get rid of criminal indictments. And you have to take into account the TDS factor. What we have seen since 2016 is unprecedented lawlessness that included the FBI, the DOJ, judges, etc. They used the FISA courts to obtain warrants to spy on Trump based on a a dossier that contained false information and was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. We had a years-long special counsel investigation that turned up nothing. It took the Durham Report, over six years later, to show that it was all BS. So no, it's not easy to get rid of BS claims and allegations, particularly when they are supported by the government.
I have tried to walk some of my very educated, smart friends through the actual facts regarding the Russia hoax, etc. What I typically get is a response similar to yours: Trump is dirty. Except they just talk about what a terrible person he is, his tweets, etc. I remember talking to one of my friends who owns a small business and he was talking about how much the Trump tax cuts helped him and his business. I asked if he was not supporting him? He said: No. He's a terrible person. Those are emotional responses based on extreme dislike for Trump.
You really should try removing Trump's name and substituting "American citizen" when looking at everything. It's outrageous. This Banana Republic stuff will destroy the country.
The Russian thing ran its course and was shown not to have merit. Perhaps some of these will or won't if he's dirty. Based on the totality of what's stacked against him, I am betting he is dirty. Maybe he beats all of these. I will sit behind my keyboard and sit corrected.
My contention on my first post today was similarly inspired by what you just suggested. Replace Trump with an American Citizen. The idea that the state can do what's it trying to do to Trump's company is outrageous IMO.
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The Russian thing ran its course and was shown not to have merit. Perhaps some of these will or won't if he's dirty. Based on the totality of what's stacked against him, I am betting he is dirty. Maybe he beats all of these. I will sit behind my keyboard and sit corrected.
My contention on my first post today was similarly inspired by what you just suggested. Replace Trump with an American Citizen. The idea that the state can do what's it trying to do to Trump's company is outrageous IMO.
It's not just that the Russia hoax didn't have merit. It's that Clinton and the DNC were able to literally fabricate "evidence" and use the DOJ, FBI, and the courts to run that scam for years.
I don't have any doubt that if these cases proceed to trial that Trump will be convicted, especially before a New York or DC jury. If that happens, and he loses the election, we are toast.
This New York judge trying to shut down Trump's businesses sounds unconstitutional to me. But the precedent has already been set for Democrats to use law enforcement, government, and the courts to target political enemies, even if it violates the law, constitution, fundamental fairness, etc. The ends justifies the means for people when it comes to Trump.
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I don’t understand how some folks don’t realize this is all political to keep him from running again. Nothing more. Whether you like the guy or not, this is done for only one reason. It sucks because it will only keep the tit for tat going.
We all know that. But why are they getting away with it?!
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Damn this weazel is fugly!
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We all know that. But why are they getting away with it?!
Because there are no consequences.
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Because there are no consequences.
Because it is legit. Because there is evidence to support bring the charges about. Because the evidence has mostly been obtained through the vast majority of his own party, administration, appointments, and actions.
There is no political basis to it. It is warranted.
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Because it is legit. Because there is evidence to support bring the charges about. Because the evidence has mostly been obtained through the vast majority of his own party, administration, appointments, and actions.
There is no political basis to it. It is warranted.
No, the Russia dossier was not legit, nor were the FISA warrants, nor the Muller investigation, etc.
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No, the Russia dossier was not legit, nor were the FISA warrants, nor the Muller investigation, etc.
And there are no indictments over those things either are there?
Funny how you would throw the Muller investigation in there. It was only, like, the most successful "witch hunt" in history. The number of witches caught and convicted..... whoooooo!
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And there are no indictments over those things either are there?
Funny how you would throw the Muller investigation in there. It was only, like, the most successful "witch hunt" in history. The number of witches caught and convicted..... whoooooo!
There were zero indictments involving Trump or anyone from his campaign colluding with Russia. It is a proven fact that the dossier was fabricated and paid for by Clinton and the DNC. The fact no one was really held accountable for that fraud set the stage for these whacked out people to do whatever they want. There will be no consequences.
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There were zero indictments involving Trump or anyone from his campaign colluding with Russia. It is a proven fact that the dossier was fabricated and paid for by Clinton and the DNC. The fact no one was really held accountable for that fraud set the stage for these whacked out people to do whatever they want. There will be no consequences.
Isn't that what I just said? There were no indictments. There didn't have to be indictments over Russia collusion. There was an investigation which was par for course when concerns were raised. During that investigation, many people decided to break the law by their own decision or were exposed in other law breaking activities in the process.
These people you refer to must be Republicans. It has been proven the great election interference of 2020 came directly from the GOP side thanks to the idiot red hats. No one is doing "whatever they want". ::)
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I seriously cannot remember and am frankly growing tired of politics but someone remind me why Paul Manafort went to prison. Please.
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I seriously cannot remember and am frankly growing tired of politics but someone remind me why Paul Manafort went to prison. Please.
Old crimes that had nothing to do with Russia collusion.
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I seriously cannot remember and am frankly growing tired of politics but someone remind me why Paul Manafort went to prison. Please.
Buckle up Nancy, it's only getting worse.
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Old crimes that had nothing to do with Russia collusion.
What crimes?
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What crimes?
I don't remember and don't care enough to look it up, but I do remember they had nothing to do with Russia collusion.
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There were zero indictments involving Trump or anyone from his campaign colluding with Russia. It is a proven fact that the dossier was fabricated and paid for by Clinton and the DNC. The fact no one was really held accountable for that fraud set the stage for these whacked out people to do whatever they want. There will be no consequences.
Until there are consequences. I would venture all it would take is a million armed men showing up in DC with the intent to die for their cause and willing to kill their opposition. Not like the fake 1/6 event where zero regressive leftists died. How will it play in the news if the government shoots and kills a 100,000 patriots in DC?! They will be dragged into the streets and publicly lynched. They won't be safe in their mansions either.
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I don't remember and don't care enough to look it up, but I do remember they had nothing to do with Russia collusion.
I'll go on either CNN or MSNBC's archives and report back to you.
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Greg Kelly on Newsmax just blew that ridiculous number out of the water with a listing of comps in the area. This judge is full of shit.
Jesus Frickin Christ... and this guy is registered to vote.
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Greg Kelly on Newsmax just blew that ridiculous number out of the water with a listing of comps in the area. This judge is full of shit.
Speaking of Newsmax, what the hell did John Bachman do to get taken off the air?
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No lol. Never talked to anyone with TDS in real life but some of my friends from high school are crazy Trump supporters calling for an armed revolution and the hanging and execution of Biden and Obama. Most peeps I know and interact with are on both sides but are reasonable people.
For me it’s the legal system that s allows a defense and the full examination and challenging of the evidence. Simply dismissing it as a bias Judge, DA or what ever doesn’t hold up because of that. He is not getting tried in a secret courtroom or being denied his rights. He has every chance to prove his innocence. It’s so likely that there is too much stacked against him.
Agree completely. It seems to me, and I may be biased, that if ANY rulings, disclosures come out about Trump, certain individuals here automatically dismiss it as either "A Rhino" republican, or a "corrupt" judge. I wonder if there is ever a point when those people start to actually realize what they are doing?
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Jesus Frickin Christ... and this guy is registered to vote.
Yeah, I am. Is that all you’ve got? Care to “fact check” him and prove him wrong? Or just go with the sources you’ve been using that went the fake “Russian Collusion” and everything else that was debunked since the day he came down that escalator? Your choice
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Yeah, I am. Is that all you’ve got? Care to “fact check” him and prove him wrong? Or just go with the sources you’ve been using that went the fake “Russian Collusion” and everything else that was debunked since the day he came down that escalator? Your choice
Continue to get your news from Newsmax anchors... a quick search tells anyone interested where they fall on the scale of accuracy. I will stick with judges... Seems to have worked so far...
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Continue to get your news from Newsmax anchors... a quick search tells anyone interested where they fall on the scale of accuracy. I will stick with judges... Seems to have worked so far...
Judges? LOL. Is that what the MSM told you? ;D
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Meanwhile, Ivanka is just having a sly smile over all this. She has proven to be the smartest Trumpy
Your post reminded me.. Melania... all the videos of her getting caught giving Trump the stink eye... I mean, she had to know she was being filmed and still did it... I wonder what kind of marital agreement they have. She obviously isn't attracted to him, can't stand him from the video's... I wonder what the arrangement is...
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Continue to get your news from Newsmax anchors... a quick search tells anyone interested where they fall on the scale of accuracy. I will stick with judges... Seems to have worked so far...
Dude, stop with your bullshit. Seriously. You have the political acumen a 5th grader. For fucks sake, you’re like your other mentally challenged cohorts on here that still seem to think there’s no evidence.
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I don't remember and don't care enough to look it up, but I do remember they had nothing to do with Russia collusion.
Just because they had nothing to do with Russia collusion doesn't mean they were not illegal and not criminal in nature. He was charged and convicted of defrauding banks and the government, and for failing to pay taxes on millions of dollars in income he had earned, witness tampering and money laundering conspiracy.
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Your post reminded me.. Melania... all the videos of her getting caught giving Trump the stink eye... I mean, she had to know she was being filmed and still did it... I wonder what kind of marital agreement they have. She obviously isn't attracted to him, can't stand him from the video's... I wonder what the arrangement is...
Hahahaha... perfect timing that you ask. Melania is much smarter than people give her credit for. She just recently, once again, redid her marriage prenup. :D Yes, AGAIN. She has Duhnold by the ovaries and he knows it.
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In the wake of yet another round of legal troubles for former President Trump, after a New York state judge determined this week that he committed fraud by substantially exaggerating his wealth for business dealings, Melania is reportedly taking precautions. Page Six reports that the former first lady has renegotiated her marital prenup with Trump to protect the financial interests of her son, 17-year-old, 6’7” Barron, as her husband’s legal troubles and bills pile up. Per the tabloid’s source, this is “at least the third time” Melania has renegotiated her prenup with the former president.
“Melania is most concerned about maintaining and increasing a substantial trust for their son, Barron,” a source said, as she hoped to secure “a specific amount at minimum” for the very tall teen. Sources specified that Melania wanted the prenup to get her more money and property as well, and that a new “agreement was necessary because of the current legal battles” and the strain they put on Trump’s wealth.
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Dude, stop with your bullshit. Seriously. You have the political acumen a 5th grader. For fucks sake, you’re like your other mentally challenged cohorts on here that still seem to think there’s no evidence.
Oh there is plenty of evidence. Against Trumpy. You seem to ignore that part. Proving again you don't know what evidence really is.
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“There is zero evidence” - Lurker, Agnostic, Primemuscle
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“There is zero evidence” - Lurker, Agnostic, Primemuscle
The Straw Man Fallacy
This fallacy occurs when your opponent over-simplifies or misrepresents your argument (i.e., setting up a "straw man") to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of fully addressing your actual argument, speakers relying on this fallacy present a superficially similar — but ultimately not equal — version of your real stance, helping them create the illusion of easily defeating you.
In this case it would be Coach making up a quote and attributing it to me...
Here's a common one Coach uses all the time..
The Slothful Induction Fallacy
Slothful induction is the exact inverse of the hasty generalization fallacy above. This fallacy occurs when sufficient logical evidence strongly indicates a particular conclusion is true, but someone fails to acknowledge it, instead attributing the outcome to coincidence or something unrelated entirely.
Trump is indicted on several counts...
Coach- "Corrupt special council and judges"
After several investigations, some by Trumps own party, some by Trumps hired companies, there was no evidence found that would indicat the election was stolen.
Coach- "Fake News! They are all part of a conspiracy"
Who's really at the 5th grade level?
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Agree completely. It seems to me, and I may be biased, that if ANY rulings, disclosures come out about Trump, certain individuals here automatically dismiss it as either "A Rhino" republican, or a "corrupt" judge. I wonder if there is ever a point when those people start to actually realize what they are doing?
Then why was Hillary not in court after destroying evidence? The double standard is obvious. George Carlin was right. They've got the judges in their pockets. You're delusional and blind if you think otherwise.
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But it won't last. USA will become Bankrupt Inc. soon. Good luck bribing judges when you're fucking broke!
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Oh there is plenty of evidence. Against Trumpy. You seem to ignore that part. Proving again you don't know what evidence really is.
There's lots of evidence the 2020 election was stolen. Thousands of affidavits. The fact that the Supreme Court refused to look at it just means they can't say if it was stolen or not. Because they refused to look at the evidence. They have limited knowledge about the subject and are uninformed. Trump should bring all this evidence into court so we can have ourselves a real review of it all. And it needs to be a Republican judge who is not bought and paid for.
The Supreme Court proved itself useless when it allowed the Deep State to take over the USA via a coup and install a pathetic puppet. They did not even want to review all the evidence being assembled! And biden is so pathetic he can't even find the fucking podium! They have to walk him in that direction as if he is blind!
I think I'll call him bidet from now on! How did that shit stain ever receive 81 million votes?! Who is willing to admit they voted for that train wreck? I don't see any biden / bidet stickers anywhere! He was always a useless, career politician and a drain on society. How has the USA benefitted? Please name one good thing he has ever done!
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“There is zero evidence” - Lurker, Agnostic, Primemuscle
"It was debunked" - retarded Qoach
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There's lots of evidence the 2020 election was stolen. Thousands of affidavits. The fact that the Supreme Court refused to look at it just means they can't say if it was stolen or not. Because they refused to look at the evidence. They have limited knowledge about the subject and are uninformed. Trump should bring all this evidence into court so we can have ourselves a real review of it all. And it needs to be a Republican judge who is not bought and paid for.
The Supreme Court proved itself useless when it allowed the Deep State to take over the USA via a coup and install a pathetic puppet. They did not even want to review all the evidence being assembled! And biden is so pathetic he can't even find the fucking podium! They have to walk him in that direction as if he is blind!
I think I'll call him bidet from now on! How did that shit stain ever receive 81 million votes?! Who is willing to admit they voted for that train wreck? I don't see any biden / bidet stickers anywhere! He was always a useless, career politician and a drain on society. How has the USA benefitted? Please name one good thing he has ever done!
Those affidavits do not equal evidence when coming from liars. That's why all those cases were thrown out and the Supreme Court wasn't going to waste their time.
And if Trumpy - or MyPillow - Or all the others have so much evidence it was stolen why hasn't it been released yet? What's the hold up?
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Those affidavits do not equal evidence when coming from liars. That's why all those cases were thrown out and the Supreme Court wasn't going to waste their time.
And if Trumpy - or MyPillow - Or all the others have so much evidence it was stolen why hasn't it been released yet? What's the hold up?
How do they know they are liars without looking at the evidence?! That's saying someone is guilty before proven innocent! It does not work that way dumb fuck! Then we could make the same argument. Everyone on the left is a liar! Let's steal the election and use that same argument!
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Hahahaha... perfect timing that you ask. Melania is much smarter than people give her credit for. She just recently, once again, redid her marriage prenup. :D Yes, AGAIN. She has Duhnold by the ovaries and he knows it.
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In the wake of yet another round of legal troubles for former President Trump, after a New York state judge determined this week that he committed fraud by substantially exaggerating his wealth for business dealings, Melania is reportedly taking precautions. Page Six reports that the former first lady has renegotiated her marital prenup with Trump to protect the financial interests of her son, 17-year-old, 6’7” Barron, as her husband’s legal troubles and bills pile up. Per the tabloid’s source, this is “at least the third time” Melania has renegotiated her prenup with the former president.
“Melania is most concerned about maintaining and increasing a substantial trust for their son, Barron,” a source said, as she hoped to secure “a specific amount at minimum” for the very tall teen. Sources specified that Melania wanted the prenup to get her more money and property as well, and that a new “agreement was necessary because of the current legal battles” and the strain they put on Trump’s wealth.
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So? Are you saying you wouldn't want to protect yours and your childs potential assets? Maybe she's concerned he'll Epstein himself?
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So? Are you saying you wouldn't want to protect yours and your childs potential assets? Maybe she's concerned he'll Epstein himself?
The very fact that I posted that info along with my comment of "Melania is much smarter than people give her credit for" would obviously indicate it to be so.
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How do they know they are liars without looking at the evidence?! That's saying someone is guilty before proven innocent! It does not work that way dumb fuck! Then we could make the same argument. Everyone on the left is a liar! Let's steal the election and use that same argument!
You have to actually have SOMETHING that is valid and able to stand as evidence. They didn't. ::)
It's been explained to you more than once and you are still too stupid to understand it. That's your problem.
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There's lots of evidence the 2020 election was stolen. Thousands of affidavits. The fact that the Supreme Court refused to look at it just means they can't say if it was stolen or not. Because they refused to look at the evidence. They have limited knowledge about the subject and are uninformed. Trump should bring all this evidence into court so we can have ourselves a real review of it all. And it needs to be a Republican judge who is not bought and paid for.
The Supreme Court proved itself useless when it allowed the Deep State to take over the USA via a coup and install a pathetic puppet. They did not even want to review all the evidence being assembled! And biden is so pathetic he can't even find the fucking podium! They have to walk him in that direction as if he is blind!
I think I'll call him bidet from now on! How did that shit stain ever receive 81 million votes?! Who is willing to admit they voted for that train wreck? I don't see any biden / bidet stickers anywhere! He was always a useless, career politician and a drain on society. How has the USA benefitted? Please name one good thing he has ever done!
Not true... simply bullshit... courts that looked at the evidence have been posted here ad nauseum . I can only surmise at this point Trumpsters refuse to even look at the evidence so that they can post things like this.. that "courts refused to look at it" Where the hell have you been for the last 2 years? You sould like you have been isolated from news and updates...
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Not true... simply bullshit... courts that looked at the evidence have been posted here ad nauseum . I can only surmise at this point Trumpsters refuse to even look at the evidence so that they can post things like this.. that "courts refused to look at it" Where the hell have you been for the last 2 years? You sould like you have been isolated from news and updates...
Vampires hate garlic.
Superman hates Kryptonite.
Trumpturds hate facts and reality.
It must be frustrating to be trapped in a delusional world like that 24/7 for people like him and Qoach.
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What you posted was rambling and not relevant to my comments. That's why I asked. Just trying to understand what you were saying. Thanks for clarifying.
Regarding Trump, remind me again which one of us gets emails from Trump and cannot stop talking about him? :)
To be honest, I am no longer reading Trump's emails. There is nothing new in them, just more whining, self-pity, requests for donations. They now go directly into a spam folder which is where they belong. :)
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"Contempt makes persuasion impossible — no one has ever been hated into agreement, after all — so its expression is either petty self-indulgence or cheap virtue signaling, neither of which wins converts."
Arthur brooks
Good thing I don't care about converting retards.
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Hahahaha. He is sitting there in scared puppy mode. Let's see him call James "deranged" now and all those other little attack words he has been using.
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Hahaahahahahaa. You know you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when your own attorneys forgot to request a jury trial. Watch the orange moron try to use this as an excuse for not having a fair trial. ;D
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New York Judge Arthur Ergoron on Monday said that he is holding a bench trial in New York Attorney General fraud lawsuit against former President because "nobody asked for" a jury trial on either side, The Messenger's Adam Klasfeld reported. "Trump isn't getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn't request one on the paperwork."
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Hahahaha. He is sitting there in scared puppy mode. Let's see him call James "deranged" now and all those other little attack words he has been using.
Fucking hilarious since he chose to be there when he didn’t have too. Dumbass
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Trump judge faces online backlash after smiling, posing for cameras in courtroom: 'Partisan Democrat clown'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-judge-faces-online-backlash-smiling-posing-cameras-courtroom-democrat-clown
Show trial
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Judge Conceded That the Statute of Limitations Are in Effect – All Transactions That Closed Prior to 2014 Are Now Out of the Case (VIDEO)
President Trump and his lawyers on Monday spoke to the press outside of a New York City courthouse after the conclusion of the opening day of the non-jury trial in a civil fraud case brought by Stalinist Letitia James.
Trump and an attorney for Trump said the judge conceded that the statute of limitations is in effect on transactions that closed prior to 2014, which makes up 80% of the case.
New York Judge Arthur Engoron ruled last Tuesday that Trump and Trump Org. are liable for fraud.
The judge also ruled that Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million – of course, no one in the real estate business is buying this.
Earlier Monday President Trump blasted the radical judge as he held up a new report from Palm Beach County.
“Why are we trying a case that the appellate division of New York state has just ruled recently that we won 80% of our case and this judge refuses to acknowledge the ruling, which is plain for all to see,” Trump said.
Trump continued, “This rogue judge, a Trump hater… refuses to acknowledge the fact that we won 80% of this case, including the statute of limitations…It just came out a few minutes ago from Palm Beach County…the judge valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million and it’s worth a billion dollars, maybe $1.5 billion Trump and his lawyers emerged from the courthouse after the court session ended Monday afternoon.
President Trump said Judge Engoron conceded that the statute of limitations are in effect.
A lawyer for Trump spoke on this: “Based on the judge’s comments at the end of the trial, it would appear that he is agreeing that all the transactions that closed prior to 2014 are now out of the case.”
Trump chimed in: “Which are about 80% of the case.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/trump-attorney-judge-conceded-that-all-transactions-that/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trump-attorney-judge-conceded-that-all-transactions-that
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Judge Conceded That the Statute of Limitations Are in Effect – All Transactions That Closed Prior to 2014 Are Now Out of the Case (VIDEO)
President Trump and his lawyers on Monday spoke to the press outside of a New York City courthouse after the conclusion of the opening day of the non-jury trial in a civil fraud case brought by Stalinist Letitia James.
Trump and an attorney for Trump said the judge conceded that the statute of limitations is in effect on transactions that closed prior to 2014, which makes up 80% of the case.
New York Judge Arthur Engoron ruled last Tuesday that Trump and Trump Org. are liable for fraud.
The judge also ruled that Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million – of course, no one in the real estate business is buying this.
Earlier Monday President Trump blasted the radical judge as he held up a new report from Palm Beach County.
“Why are we trying a case that the appellate division of New York state has just ruled recently that we won 80% of our case and this judge refuses to acknowledge the ruling, which is plain for all to see,” Trump said.
Trump continued, “This rogue judge, a Trump hater… refuses to acknowledge the fact that we won 80% of this case, including the statute of limitations…It just came out a few minutes ago from Palm Beach County…the judge valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million and it’s worth a billion dollars, maybe $1.5 billion Trump and his lawyers emerged from the courthouse after the court session ended Monday afternoon.
President Trump said Judge Engoron conceded that the statute of limitations are in effect.
A lawyer for Trump spoke on this: “Based on the judge’s comments at the end of the trial, it would appear that he is agreeing that all the transactions that closed prior to 2014 are now out of the case.”
Trump chimed in: “Which are about 80% of the case.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/trump-attorney-judge-conceded-that-all-transactions-that/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trump-attorney-judge-conceded-that-all-transactions-that
Most of the case has been gutted? You would think this would be the MSM lead.
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Fucking hilarious since he chose to be there when he didn’t have too. Dumbass
He had two choices for what he had to do yesterday. Attend trial or sit for a deposition. He chose being there over having to give a deposition where he would be put under oath and face perjury for lying.
Not exactly much of a choice when someone who lies as much as he does is concerned.
This is pretty common knowledge "dumbass". Again, retardation was a survival skill that God gifted you with.
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Trump makes wild claim that 80% of fraud case could be THROWN OUT because statute of limitations has expired: President gives thumbs up in court - as judge slams prosecutors for a 'waste of time' for having accountants testify
- Trump tore into Judge Arthur Engoron steps outside his courthouse
- He accused him of having 'contempt for his own court system'
- Later Trump said Engoron made a 'very fair' statement in court
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html)
I would be completely blown away if Trump accusers neglected to factor in a statute of limitations in this case.
But who the fuck knows? lol
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Trump makes wild claim that 80% of fraud case could be THROWN OUT because statute of limitations has expired: President gives thumbs up in court - as judge slams prosecutors for a 'waste of time' for having accountants testify
- Trump tore into Judge Arthur Engoron steps outside his courthouse
- He accused him of having 'contempt for his own court system'
- Later Trump said Engoron made a 'very fair' statement in court
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html)
I would be completely blown away if Trump accusers neglected to factor in a statute of limitations in this case.
But who the fuck knows? lol
I have been before Engoran before. I think it was 6 years ago. He was old and senile then. Saying Mara Lago is only worth 18 Million discredits the entire thing.
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Fucking hilarious since he chose to be there when he didn’t have too. Dumbass
He isn't showing up to testify, so no he did not have to be there. However, he cannot pass up the opportunity to campaign and since he has nothing else to run a campaign on besides his victimhood at this point, he kind of has to show up for the media attention. Although on Monday the news media other than FOX shut him down when they turned of the mic. Yahoo!
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I have been before Engoran before. I think it was 6 years ago. He was old and senile then. Saying Mara Lago is only worth 18 Million discredits the entire thing.
I take it the judge didn't rule in your favor. :)
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He isn't showing up to testify, so no he did not have to be there. However, he cannot pass up the opportunity to campaign and since he has nothing else to run a campaign on besides his victimhood at this point, he kind of has to show up for the media attention. Although on Monday the news media other than FOX shut him down when they turned of the mic. Yahoo!
He showed up only so he could dodge having to sit for a deposition in the $500 Million lawsuit that HE filed against Cohen.
You would think he would be eager to get that $500M into his pocket that he would make that deposition a priority. But no.... perjury is real. :D
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Trump makes wild claim that 80% of fraud case could be THROWN OUT because statute of limitations has expired: President gives thumbs up in court - as judge slams prosecutors for a 'waste of time' for having accountants testify
- Trump tore into Judge Arthur Engoron steps outside his courthouse
- He accused him of having 'contempt for his own court system'
- Later Trump said Engoron made a 'very fair' statement in court
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12586351/Trump-makes-wild-claim-80-fraud-case-THROWN-statute-limitations-expired-President-gives-thumbs-court-judge-slams-prosecutors-waste-time-having-accountants-testify.html)
I would be completely blown away if Trump accusers neglected to factor in a statute of limitations in this case.
But who the fuck knows? lol
Judge brutally debunks Trump's claim that he threw out most of the NY fraud case against him
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Judge+brutally+debunks+Trump%27s+claim+that+he+threw+out+most+of+the+NY+fraud+case+against+him
The judge presiding over former President Donald Trump's New York civil fraud trial shut down Trump's assertion to reporters at the end of the trial's opening day Monday that he had suddenly reversed himself on the statute of limitations. To start Tuesday's proceedings, New York State Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron clarified that Trump's comments were not true, according to The Messenger, explaining that his ruling last week ordering the dissolution of several of Trump's businesses found the former president had committed fraud every time he submitted a false statement of financial condition (SFC) to insurers and banks.
Though Trump's defense argued that the relevant conduct is when the loan "closed," Engoron rejected that theory, reiterating his reasoning again in court. "Every use of a [false] statement of financial condition in business starts the statute of limitations running again," Engoron said Tuesday morning, noting that he understands that Trump's attorneys "strongly" disagree with his argument and will likely appeal the ruling.
Trump's Monday remarks stemmed from the judge's exchange with his attorneys following hours of testimony from Donald Bender, a former accountant Trump's businesses had used whose examination largely hinged on documents from 2011 while an appellate court warned that only events from three years later fall within the applicable state of limitations. Later that day, Engoron declared that Bender's testimony must connect to events on or after 2014 in order to be relevant, which prompted the former president's remarks. But Engoron's recent decision finding Trump liable for fraud cited actions after 2014 and found that the relevant issue is when they were "completed," which includes the moments when Trump "still obligated to, and did, annually submit current SFCs to comply with the terms of the loan agreements."
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How’s that partial gag order taste?
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How’s that partial gag order taste?
About as good as yours. He issued it for both sides, dippy
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About as good as yours. He issued it for both sides, dippy
Only one side was doing the lying and attacking you clueless retard.
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Only one side was doing the lying and attacking you clueless retard.
"As for the gag order, without naming Trump, Engoron said that a defendant in the case "posted to a social media account a disparaging, untrue and personally identifying post about a member of my staff." He added that "personal attacks on members of my court staff are unacceptable, not appropriate" and not tolerated"
It's true it was issued to include both sides. But only a moron would think it wasn't aimed at Trump. Trump is pretty damn stupid. His judgement is so bad, I still find it hard to believe any rational adult would want this clown as president. Having the emotional growth of a 7 year old is a dangerous thing.
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Trump is pretty damn stupid. His judgement is so bad, I still find it hard to believe any rational adult would want this clown as president. Having the emotional growth of a 7 year old is a dangerous thing.
You could easily replace Trump with Bite'm and the sentence would make better sense.
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Only one side was doing the lying and attacking you clueless retard.
Yeah..the ones that no nothing about real estate
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Not true... simply bullshit... courts that looked at the evidence have been posted here ad nauseum . I can only surmise at this point Trumpsters refuse to even look at the evidence so that they can post things like this.. that "courts refused to look at it" Where the hell have you been for the last 2 years? You sould like you have been isolated from news and updates...
Only a trial can do that. If someone is murdered, the court can't look at evidence in the absence of a trial and make a verdict. Evidence has to be presented by lawyers and counter arguments made. A jury has to deliberate. Otherwise, a corrupt judge can just disqualify any case.
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You have to actually have SOMETHING that is valid and able to stand as evidence. They didn't. ::)
It's been explained to you more than once and you are still too stupid to understand it. That's your problem.
That can only be determined in a trial.
Do you think this idiot is making any major decisions? If not, who is?
Stop being a gullible moron and learn to think for yourself!!
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Yeah..the ones that no nothing about real estate
Well should be easy to provide links to where they attacked the court, the judge, the DA, etc.. Why don't you show us those links? We can wait. It won't come as a surprise when you can't because it is just something else you pulled out of your ass.
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That can only be determined in a trial.
Do you think this idiot is making any major decisions? If not, who is?
Stop being a gullible moron and learn to think for yourself!!
(https://media.tenor.com/6OqxaA2tU1gAAAAd/confused-biden.gif)
No it doesn't. The evidence is used to determine whether or not a trial is necessary or has merits. Their evidence did not achieve either of these results because they had none. That is why it was tossed.
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Trump is pretty damn stupid. His judgement is so bad, I still find it hard to believe any rational adult would want this clown as president. Having the emotional growth of a 7 year old is a dangerous thing.
You could easily replace Trump with Bite'm and the sentence would make better sense.
I don't know that I would call Trump stupid. He is likely reasonably intelligent. What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done. So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire. What blows me away is his following. It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues. They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true. For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon. Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile. WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again? WTF?
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Duhnold is still complaining about this trial having no jury. :D
Whose fault is that Dumbo?
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I don't know that I would call Trump stupid. He is likely reasonably intelligent. What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done. So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire. What blows me away is his following. It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues. They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true. For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon. Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile. WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again? WTF?
The TDS crowd still doesnt get it. We know what Trump is. But his policies helped far more than the filth we have now. The deranged lunatics obsessed about Trump the man ignore the fact that Bidens policies have wrecked this country.
Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies?
Everything is a disaster in this country policy wise under this frail demented old progressive corrupt fool. The economy, border, foreign policy, you name it - name one thing better now. You can't nor can any Team Blue No Matter Who cult freak.
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The TDS crowd still doesnt get it. We know what Trump is. But his policies helped far more than the filth we have now. The deranged lunatics obsessed about Trump the man ignore the fact that Bidens policies have wrecked this country.
Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies?
Everything is a disaster in this country policy wise under this frail demented old progressive corrupt fool. The economy, border, foreign policy, you name it - name one thing better now. You can't nor can any Team Blue No Matter Who cult freak.
This is absolutely correct. The criticism of Trump is about personal dislike of the man. When you look at his actual policy decisions and accomplishments they were outstanding. No question better than Biden.
People personally dislike Biden too, but his actual decisions have been a disaster. The country is much worse off today than under Trump.
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No it doesn't. The evidence is used to determine whether or not a trial is necessary or has merits. Their evidence did not achieve either of these results because they had none. That is why it was tossed.
Horseshit! Presenting evidence takes time. A judge can't look at it in a day and throw out the case. If there are 1000 witnesses how will the judge go through all that?
The USA is controlled by a Deep State. Biden is not really in charge. This is evident when you see him blunder on stage, groping at women and children, walking past podiums, just standing with his back to the audience looking confused. Sometimes he just plain spews incoherent garbage. The proof is right in front of you. The Deep State controls the MSM. They have the judges in their pockets. It's an "Empire of Lies". But I could care less what you think. Just know that the USA, Canada and other Western nations are circling the drain. It will collapse like Rome, guaranteed. I see Russia and China outlasting the West. They are not riddled with trannies, homos and pedos.
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Horseshit! Presenting evidence takes time. A judge can't look at it in a day and throw out the case. If there are 1000 witnesses how will the judge go through all that?
The USA is controlled by a Deep State. Biden is not really in charge. This is evident when you see him blunder on stage, groping at women and children, walking past podiums, just standing with his back to the audience looking confused. Sometimes he just plain spews incoherent garbage. The proof is right in front of you. The Deep State controls the MSM. They have the judges in their pockets. It's an "Empire of Lies". But I could care less what you think. Just know that the USA, Canada and other Western nations are circling the drain. It will collapse like Rome, guaranteed. I see Russia and China outlasting the West. They are not riddled with trannies, homos and pedos.
Yeah. It takes time to present evidence. The point is, they had NONE. That is why the judges - many appointed by Republicans - tossed the cases. They had NOTHING.
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I don't know that I would call Trump stupid. He is likely reasonably intelligent. What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done. So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire. What blows me away is his following. It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues. They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true. For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon. Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile. WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again? WTF?
I would agree with most of this. People giving Trump a pass is no different than Trump haters giving Bite'm a pass, if these two are the choice in 2024, I know I won't be voting for Bite'm.
Term limits and age limits would solve tons of our problems.
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Trumpy claims that he is going to testify at his fraud trial.
hahahahahahahahahaa. Yeah right. Everyone knows what his record of testifying under oath is. The only reason he spent 2.5 days attending the trial this week is so he wouldn't have to give a deposition in the lawsuit that he filed against Cohen.
Fat chance that Orange turd will testify.
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I would agree with most of this. People giving Trump a pass is no different than Trump haters giving Bite'm a pass, if these two are the choice in 2024, I know I won't be voting for Bite'm.
Term limits and age limits would solve tons of our problems.
In my circle of peeps most, practically all except a few old friends on FB are fed up with both of them and their parties.
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In my circle of peeps most, practically all except a few old friends on FB are fed up with both of them and their parties.
There's a few hardcore Trumpers in my circle, most would vote Trump over Bite'm, absolutely zero Bite'm supporters, quite a few have talked about not voting because of the same two candidates and parties.
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The NY AG posted this. The city/county doesn't do an appraisal. They do an assessment. The assessment is almost always lower than the appraised value. Appraised value = market value. She really is a dummy. This is the woman who campaigned for AG on the promise to "get Trump." Ozmo you ok with this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7sha_ZXYAAnDHV?format=jpg&name=medium)
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It's funny seeing Trumpturds arguing about the value and numbers of Mar-A-Lardo being incorrect and yet keeping quiet about the values and numbers Trumpy used elsewhere. I mean, it's only like what this entire case is about. ::)
Funny numbers is ok when Trumpy uses them but not when anyone else does?
Ok, so does this mean he will be receiving an amended tax bill for the property over the years or what? ::)
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Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies?
Policies, both good and bad, can and often do change with each Administration. Huge national debt increases stay with us forever.
Four more years of Trump economics, (increases in national debt) could bankrupt the U.S.
The national debt increased by almost $7.8 trillion between 2016 to 2020. Expect tax increases because this is about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. This deficit under Trump is the third-biggest increase in history. Unlike under George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln’s increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or pay for a civil war.
To be fair, Biden's administration isn't doing much better. As of last February, the debt increased about $3.7 trillion since Biden took office.
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Policies, both good and bad, can and often do change with each Administration. Huge national debt increases stay with us forever.
Four more years of Trump economics, (increases in national debt) could bankrupt the U.S.
The national debt increased by almost $7.8 trillion between 2016 to 2020. Expect tax increases because this is about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. This deficit under Trump is the third-biggest increase in history. Unlike under George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln’s increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or pay for a civil war.
To be fair, Biden's administration isn't doing much better. As of last February, the debt increased about $3.7 trillion since Biden took office.
I don't want either of these clowns.
We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.
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It's funny seeing Trumpturds arguing about the value and numbers of Mar-A-Lardo being incorrect and yet keeping quiet about the values and numbers Trumpy used elsewhere. I mean, it's only like what this entire case is about. ::)
Funny numbers is ok when Trumpy uses them but not when anyone else does?
Ok, so does this mean he will be receiving an amended tax bill for the property over the years or what? ::)
Because those with common sense (unlike you) knows if she fudged the numbers there she did it across the board with everything. Should we draw it out on a white board for you with stick figures?
Banks were paid back with interest, on time and in some cases before the loans came due. Banks aren’t complaining. No one was hurt. Who are the victims here? I can tell you by illegally dissolving his businesses in NY….the city of NY are the victims because of incompetence on the judge and a proven Marxist AG.
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The NY AG posted this. The city/county doesn't do an appraisal. They do an assessment. The assessment is almost always lower than the appraised value. Appraised value = market value. She really is a dummy. This is the woman who campaigned for AG on the promise to "get Trump." Ozmo you ok with this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7sha_ZXYAAnDHV?format=jpg&name=medium)
If this fraud case hinged on Mar-a-Lago's value assessment I likely wouldn't be ok with this. However, it is not the "only" evidence presented.
It seems people are consistently using Mar-a-Lago as the basis to challenge the credibility of the fraud charge. Some seem to be using it to justify that there shouldn't be any charges in the first place while not addressing or ignoring all the other stuff. Are you?
I don't care that this woman campaigned on the promise to get Trump. Is she the only person ever to make promises to "get people"?
What I care about is that Trump gets a fair trial, that the evidence is sound, and the law is clear; and that his consequences are in proportion to his crime. I say this again, I don't agree with this corporate death penalty.
Same with Biden, and the rest of them.
Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think it's healthy
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If this fraud case hinged on Mar-a-Lago's value assessment I likely wouldn't be ok with this. However, it is not the "only" evidence presented.
It seems people are consistently using Mar-a-Lago as the basis to challenge the credibility of the fraud charge. Some seem to be using it to justify that there shouldn't be any charges in the first place while not addressing or ignoring all the other stuff. Are you?
I don't care that this woman campaigned on the promise to get Trump. Is she the only person ever to make promises to "get people"?
What I care about is that Trump gets a fair trial, that the evidence is sound, and the law is clear; and that his consequences are in proportion to his crime. I say this again, I don't agree with this corporate death penalty.
Same with Biden, and the rest of them.
Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think it's healthy
This alleged overvaluing of his property is a cornerstone of the case. That's why this dummy posted that picture/chart on Twitter. It's ironic that she is accusing Trump of misrepresenting his value, when that is precisely what she is doing. A mistake this egregious calls into question everything she is doing.
Yes, it is unprecedented for an attorney general to campaign on a promise to "get" a private citizen. I cannot believe you're ok with that. It's insane. No one with the power of law enforcement should be able to run for office with the promise of targeting a private citizen.
How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial when the AG campaigned on a promise to "get Trump" and the judge called Trump a "bad guy" a year ago?
And we still have this glaring problem with the fact there is no victim. The banks are not complaining. They loaned money. Trump repaid it with interest. And they want to seize his business because of this? Put his business in a receivership? Receiverships are for insolvent businesses.
I think my blood pressure just increased typing this stuff. lol I'm just incredibly bothered by how fascistic this whole thing is. This isn't about Trump. It's about protecting our country. We cannot allow this kind of crap to happen.
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Because those with common sense (unlike you) knows if she fudged the numbers there she did it across the board with everything. Should we draw it out on a white board for you with stick figures?
Banks were paid back with interest, on time and in some cases before the loans came due. Banks aren’t complaining. No one was hurt. Who are the victims here? I can tell you by illegally dissolving his businesses in NY….the city of NY are the victims because of incompetence on the judge and a proven Marxist AG.
Retards void of common sense like you do not see the irony or hypocrisy in your own statements.
So since it worth 10x or 50x or whatever he claims now as opposed to what the judge said, he won't be complaining when he gets served an adjusted tax bill and owes more money right?
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Retards void of common sense like you do not see the irony or hypocrisy in your own statements.
So since it worth 10x or 50x or whatever he claims now as opposed to what the judge said, he won't be complaining when he gets served an adjusted tax bill and owes more money right?
I’m sure there won’t be any adjusted tax bill since the corporation has been paying almost the same for years based on assessments, And if the “judge” and Marxist Willis has under valued his NY properties based on THEIR assessments, then I would guess he’s due a giant fucking refund.
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I’m sure there won’t be any adjusted tax bill since the corporation has been paying almost the same for years based on assessments, And if the “judge” and Marxist Willis has under valued his NY properties based on THEIR assessments, then I would guess he’s due a giant fucking refund.
Big jump from 18M to 500+M. Big tax bill for all the years prior that it was undervalued. Sounds like you better double up on the donations to him.
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I don't want either of these clowns.
We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.
agree
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I don't want either of these clowns.
We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.
We have agreement. This is a rarity on Getbig. :)
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We have agreement. This is a rarity on Getbig. :)
In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.
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Accurate. Duhnold's attempt to turn the trial into a Frye Fest type disaster will only backfire just like his numerous Hail Mary’s of appeals did and all the other motions that were squashed. The little dumpster fire he started was already a scandal-riddled disaster that will only lead to bankruptcy for him and sanctions for his attorneys. Which is all fine and dandy. GOOD TIMES!
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Team Trump Is Using ‘Fyre Festival Strategies’ in NY Fraud Case
https://www.google.com/search?channel=ftrc&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Team+Trump+Is+Using+%E2%80%98Fyre+Festival+Strategies%E2%80%99+in+NY+Fraud+Case
In the weeks leading up to the start of his $250 million civil fraud trial in New York, Donald Trump and his attorneys privately discussed how they believed defeat in this trial was preordained. Their best chance — and it wasn’t much, according to two sources familiar with the matter and another two people briefed on internal deliberations — would be to fight the case on appeal.
This belief led to the development of an approach to the case that centers around chaos and cacophony, rather than any attempt to win it on the merits. One person close to Trump describes it as the “Fyre Festival strategies.”
That approach — “let’s just do it and be legends,” in the words of the festival’s founder — famously turned Fyre Fest into a scandal-riddled disaster. But Trump and his lawyers are hoping that their legal strategy in their ongoing courtroom “suicide mission” will score some political and public-relations points for Trump, kick up as much dirt as possible, enrage the judge, gratuitously trash some of the witnesses, and turn the process into a media circus.
The aggressive approach is likely to appeal to the former president’s notable taste for the jugular. But the client-pleasing strategy also risks undermining the longer term legal work of defending the Trump business empire that propelled him to fame and the presidency as its future hangs in doubt.
Judge Arthur Engoron has already fined Trump’s attorneys $7,500 each for repeatedly bringing up legal arguments he had already barred. But in recent weeks, Trump has privately suggested that his lawyers should not “worry” for now about getting further sanctions by the court for their planned procedural antics, the sources tell Rolling Stone.
Instructed to ignore such concerns, his attorneys have crafted a courtroom game plan that leans on heavy-handed tactics such as deeply personal, at times (in the phrasing of a Trump adviser) “below the belt” attacks on witnesses, prosecutors, and the judge, and also planned threats of retaliatory lawsuits against some of those same people.
Trump and his lawyers — who include Chris Kise, Alina Habba, and Jesus Suarez for this trial — have also long settled on a roster of delay tactics that are almost guaranteed to antagonize Judge Engoron. This includes going into trial, which could last months, with the intention of grilling witnesses with lengthy, meandering questions and repeating again and again arguments that the judge has already deemed frivolous, the sources say.
“A lot of this is just begging for sanctions,” says one attorney who’s known Trump for years. “It is not how I’d do it, but…maybe that’s a reason I’m not on the [legal] team.”
In the weeks prior to the start of the trial, Trump had specifically discussed with some of his legal and political advisers how much he was looking forward to his attorneys making Michael Cohen “cry” on the stand, a person familiar with the situation says. Trump’s former lawyer and fixer is now a listed witness for New York attorney general Letitia James’ office, and the ex-president constantly has revenge on his mind.
Trump hopes that this will be achieved by relentlessly attacking his ex-fixer’s character, intelligence, professional acumen, federal criminal charges, and even personal life. The former president has encouraged his legal team to “fight rough and fight dirty, if you got to” with Cohen and others during the trial, a person close to Trump says, paraphrasing the ex-president. This source has spoken repeatedly to Trump about this case, and adds the former president gets especially animated or agitated when Cohen comes up.
Cohen, however, insists he’s not worried.
“I have provided a hundred hours of testimony before members of Congress, law enforcement agencies and committees whose, on behalf of Donald, primary goal was to denigrate me, discredit me and harass me. None of it has worked and it won’t work now when I take the stand in the [New York attorney general’s] case,” the former Trump attorney tells Rolling Stone. “I am certain Judge Engoron will not allow Donald’s legal team to make a mockery of his court and allow these antics to occur.”
If the team sticks to their, and their client’s, plans, Engoron’s interventions won’t stop them from trying — many times.
Suarez, in particular, has already earned Engoron’s ire with a lengthy questioning of Trump’s former accountant, Donald Bender.
As the Trump attorney tried to walk Bender through a lengthy series of repetitive questions concerning nearly a dozen years worth of Trump financial filings, Engoron blew up at what he called a “ridiculous” line of inquiry that would “waste time.” At one point Suarez even asked Bender if he had “any mental health reasons [he] can’t testify today,” prompting an objection from the attorney general’s office.
It is a bombastic, quintessentially Trumpian legal strategy that’s less geared towards impressing a judge who Trump openly despises, and more a PR blitz aimed at “the Fox News set,” one of the sources briefed on the plans characterizes.
And it’s a strategy that Engoron appears to be aware of. “Who are you talking to — me, the press or the audience?” he barked at Trump’s lawyers on Tuesday.
Still, among Trump’s many attorneys and different legal teams, this approach is not without its detractors. Trump’s legal teams, including ones now tasked with handling the high-stakes civil and criminal cases against him, are routinely fraught with infighting, backstabbing, power grabs, and turnover. There are some Trump legal counselors who believe this strategy could easily backfire, result in too many expensive sanctions, and ultimately make an appeal harder, not easier, people with knowledge of the matter say. There are also some Trump attorneys who are convinced that if the current strategy fails to deliver for the ex-president, he will harshly blame and scream at his legal team, even though the mud-slinging was his own preferred strategy in the first place.
There are scant signs of imminent shakeup for this particular Trump legal crew. But that doesn’t mean the former president isn’t keen on keeping his options open. In the past two weeks, Trump has discussed with some of his longtime associates the names of other defense attorneys who he has considered asking to join the New York legal team, two sources with knowledge of the matter say. Some of the names that Trump recently floated were lawyers who didn’t even have a background in the kind of laws at the center of this trial.
The civil trial currently playing out in a New York courtroom represents the culmination of a years-long investigation by New York state attorney general Letitia James into allegations of fraud against the Trump Organization, the heart of the 45th U.S. president’s business empire. James initiated the investigation in 2019 and brought a suit against the former president’s company in 2022, claiming that the organization had engaged in fraud by dramatically overvaluing its assets to the tune of many millions of dollars.
In late September, Engoron ruled that Trump and his sons were liable for fraud alleged in the suit, revoking their business licenses and putting the financial stability of Trump’s family business at risk.
That helped prompt Trump, who has often preferred to skip legal proceedings, to make a rare — and voluntary — public appearance in court last week. He has used the occasion to bask in the publicity surrounding the case, call for the presiding judge, Engoron, to be disbarred, floated baseless conspiracy theories about the court clerk on social media, and earned himself a gag order for the attack on court staff.
Sources who have spoken to the former president say that Trump has repeatedly stressed that his visits to the courthouse were motivated by a desire to publicly defend his long-curated reputation as a talented businessman, his net worth, and claims about the value of his assets — all of which have come into question as a result of the case.
The sources say that the former president is uniquely sensitive to allegations that he and his business inflated their value and has long attached a strong emotional weight to his status on the Forbes magazine list of richest Americans.
In an apparent sign of how much the case has rattled Trump, a person with direct knowledge of the matter tells Rolling Stone that in the last month the former president has repeatedly interjected comments, entirely unprompted, about his wealth in the middle of unrelated conversations. In these sudden outbursts, Trump complains that people are “lying” about his personal and corporate net worth and the value of his Florida club, Mar-a-Lago, the source adds.
Furthermore, Trump has signaled he wants to testify in the case. “At the appropriate time I will be,” he told reporters on Tuesday in New York. James, too, has indicated a desire to put the former president, his sons, Don Jr and Eric, and his daughter, Ivanka, on the stand. As The Daily Beast first reported, the New York attorney general listed all four Trumps in a proposed witness list.
The former president is famous for delivering public bluster about how much he’d relish testifying for an investigation or during an official proceeding, only to later have his attorneys deploy delay tactic after delay tactic. This is in part due to his legal teams’ recurring fears over the many years about just how much he would uncontrollably lie or possibly incriminate himself under oath.
“Of course that remains an issue, as always,” says a source familiar with the Trump team’s internal discussions on this.
“But,” this person predicts, “we have a while to go before he would even [possibly] take the stand.”
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This alleged overvaluing of his property is a cornerstone of the case. That's why this dummy posted that picture/chart on Twitter. It's ironic that she is accusing Trump of misrepresenting his value, when that is precisely what she is doing. A mistake this egregious calls into question everything she is doing.
Cornerstone? lol. It's one part of many that must be carefully examined and challenged. To say that it's a "cornerstone" is obviously cherry-picking to make a point as the basis of selling outrage. If it was just Mar-a-Largo you and I would agree. Why does it seem like most Trump backers are ignoring the other evidence? I think it should all be questioned and will be because that's what this is about.
Yes, it is unprecedented for an attorney general to campaign on a promise to "get" a private citizen. I cannot believe you're ok with that. It's insane. No one with the power of law enforcement should be able to run for office with the promise of targeting a private citizen.
How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial when the AG campaigned on a promise to "get Trump" and the judge called Trump a "bad guy" a year ago?
How? Simple: Follow the rule of law and allow representation to argue on his behalf which is happening.
And we still have this glaring problem with the fact there is no victim. The banks are not complaining. They loaned money. Trump repaid it with interest. And they want to seize his business because of this? Put his business in a receivership? Receiverships are for insolvent businesses.
He broke the law (assuming that's the result of this). And based on the way the law reads there doesn't have to be a victim or even a complaint. He is being charged with committing fraud on many many counts, not just Mar-a-Largo.
I think my blood pressure just increased typing this stuff. lol I'm just incredibly bothered by how fascistic this whole thing is. This isn't about Trump. It's about protecting our country. We cannot allow this kind of crap to happen.
I don't think it's fantastic at all. The dude is dirty (most all of them are). If it was just this fraud case, maybe, but its not, just like its not just Mar-a-Largo.
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In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.
Truth^^^^
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Cornerstone? lol. It's one part of many that must be carefully examined and challenged. To say that it's a "cornerstone" is obviously cherry-picking to make a point as the basis of selling outrage. If it was just Mar-a-Largo you and I would agree. Why does it seem like most Trump backers are ignoring the other evidence? I think it should all be questioned and will be because that's what this is about.
How? Simple: Follow the rule of law and allow representation to argue on his behalf which is happening.
He broke the law (assuming that's the result of this). And based on the way the law reads there doesn't have to be a victim or even a complaint. He is being charged with committing fraud on many many counts, not just Mar-a-Largo.
I don't think it's fantastic at all. The dude is dirty (most all of them are). If it was just this fraud case, maybe, but its not, just like its not just Mar-a-Largo.
Yes it's the cornerstone of the "case" against Trump. Why else would the AG tweet out the picture I posted, but nothing else? Obviously, because it's the claim that has the largest discrepancy. You have to be wearing blinders to not see this is the focal point of their case.
Why is it Trump haters ignore the law, fundamental fairness, targeting, election interference, etc.? Because you dislike the man so much that none of those things matter. He's just a bad guy, so anything goes. That's what we have seen since 2016. And as I keep saying, this is much bigger than Trump.
So it's just simple to put the admitted bias of the AG and the biased comments from the judge in a box and pretend they didn't happen. That's nuts.
Ensure you say it correctly: he is being charged with defrauding lenders. Those lenders loaned him money. He repaid the money with interest. The lenders are not complaining. They didn't lose a dime. Neither did any other consumer. And for that, they are trying to put his business in a receivership and shut down all of his New York operations.
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Oh, the Trumpy haters most certainly do care about election interference. That is exactly why he and the other dumb asses who tried it have indictments against them.
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Yes it's the cornerstone of the "case" against Trump. Why else would the AG tweet out the picture I posted, but nothing else? Obviously, because it's the claim that has the largest discrepancy. You have to be wearing blinders to not see this is the focal point of their case.
You don't think there are other possible reasons the pic was tweeted out and the only reason is that it's the cornerstone of the case? Seriously? And that the AG did this why? How does she doing this affect the rule of law (ROL) in this case?
Why is it Trump haters ignore the law, fundamental fairness, targeting, election interference, etc.? Because you dislike the man so much that none of those things matter. He's just a bad guy, so anything goes. That's what we have seen since 2016. And as I keep saying, this is much bigger than Trump.
I hope not, in light of the FBI revelations and inactivity on Biden and his son.
So it's just simple to put the admitted bias of the AG and the biased comments from the judge in a box and pretend they didn't happen. That's nuts.
I am not saying this things weren't said (not sure about anyone else). However, the ROL should prevent a bias from violating someone's right to a fair trial.
Ensure you say it correctly: he is being charged with defrauding lenders. Those lenders loaned him money. He repaid the money with interest. The lenders are not complaining. They didn't lose a dime. Neither did any other consumer. And for that, they are trying to put his business in a receivership and shut down all of his New York operations.
He is being charged with committing fraud that resulted in him getting favorable terms on loans which violates a New York state law.
The principle you keep stating doesn't matter here in regard to the law itself. Now, I personally think this is way over the line in terms of this draconian type of punishment.
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You don't think there are other possible reasons the pic was tweeted out and the only reason is that it's the cornerstone of the case? Seriously? And that the AG did this why? How does she doing this affect the rule of law (ROL) in this case?
I hope not, in light of the FBI revelations and inactivity on Biden and his son.
I am not saying this things weren't said (not sure about anyone else). However, the ROL should prevent a bias from violating someone's right to a fair trial.
He is being charged with committing fraud that resulted in him getting favorable terms on loans which violates a New York state law.
The principle you keep stating doesn't matter here in regard to the law itself. Now, I personally think this is way over the line in terms of this draconian type of punishment.
All of the loans were paid back with interest. There was no victim.
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All of the loans were paid back with interest. There was no victim.
I have acknowledged that several times. What I am saying is that the law does not require a victim and it allows a penalty regardless. You can point that out all day long, until your fingertips bleed from typing but nothing will change that.
From ChatGPT4.0
Prompt: Where does it say in the New York State NY Executive Law 63 (12) that there doesn't have to be a complaint or victim for someone to commit fraud?
Answer:
The New York State Executive Law 63(12) allows the attorney general to bring an action against a person or entity for "repeated fraudulent or illegal acts" in the conduct of business. The law is designed to protect the public interest and does not necessarily require a specific victim or complaint to initiate action. The focus is on "fraudulent or illegal acts" that are "repeated" or demonstrate "persistent fraud or illegality."
The key phrase often cited is that the attorney general may act "whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business."
This provision allows the attorney general to act proactively to protect the public interest, even if no specific complaint has been filed or individual victim identified. The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices.
I am not trying to be a dick about this guys, but that's the law they are using. So complaining or trying to make a point about there being no victim is moot here.
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I have acknowledged that several times. What I am saying is that the law does not require a victim and it allows a penalty regardless. You can point that out all day long, until your fingertips bleed from typing but nothing will change that.
From ChatGPT4.0
The New York State Executive Law 63(12) allows the attorney general to bring an action against a person or entity for "repeated fraudulent or illegal acts" in the conduct of business. The law is designed to protect the public interest and does not necessarily require a specific victim or complaint to initiate action. The focus is on "fraudulent or illegal acts" that are "repeated" or demonstrate "persistent fraud or illegality."
The key phrase often cited is that the attorney general may act "whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business."
This provision allows the attorney general to act proactively to protect the public interest, even if no specific complaint has been filed or individual victim identified. The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices.
You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote: "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."
There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim. You shouldn't die on this hill.
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You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote: "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."
There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim. You shouldn't die on this hill.
I am just telling you all this is what they are using to get him.
And if its as you say, then it shouldn't be too hard for his lawyers to get him out of it?
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You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote: "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."
There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim. You shouldn't die on this hill.
When one is riddled with TDS - all sense and logic goes out the window.
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When one is riddled with TDS - all sense and logic goes out the window.
This is true. Otherwise smart people just lose their minds when it comes to Trump.
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You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote: "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."
There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim. You shouldn't die on this hill.
The law is the law. There was a time when you needed a spouse to file charges against you in order to be charged with domestic violence. We found that didn't work out so well. This seems to be a similar situation. IF all a crook has to do is agree to pay restitution to the people they defrauded to avoid being charged and convicted, then there is no incentive for a crook NOT to defraud anyone. We caught on to that as well and apparently took steps to hold people accountable.
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The law is the law. There was a time when you needed a spouse to file charges against you in order to be charged with domestic violence. We found that didn't work out so well. This seems to be a similar situation. IF all a crook has to do is agree to pay restitution to the people they defrauded to avoid being charged and convicted, then there is no incentive for a crook NOT to defraud anyone. We caught on to that as well and apparently took steps to hold people accountable.
It is not in the same universe as a domestic violence situation. You always have a victim in those situations. Terrible comparison.
And it's nothing like a restitution. It's the repayment of a loan, with interest, in accordance with whatever they negotiated with the lender.
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It is not in the same universe as a domestic violence situation. You always have a victim in those situations. Terrible comparison.
And it's nothing like a restitution. It's the repayment of a loan, with interest, in accordance with whatever they negotiated with the lender.
IF the repayment was within the stipulations of the agreement, I agree. If the repayment was made as a last ditch effort to avoid prosecution, I don't agree. If they repaid the loan according to the terms, why are we even hearing about it?
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IF the repayment was within the stipulations of the agreement, I agree. If the repayment was made as a last ditch effort to avoid prosecution, I don't agree. If they repaid the loan according to the terms, why are we even hearing about it?
Holy smokes. You mean we actually agree?? These loans are from many years ago. All were repaid years before this witch hunt started.
So yes, why we are we even talking about this now? Because Trump is running for president and they are doing whatever they can to prevent that from happening. That's the only reason. If he would have faded off into the sunset in 2020, none of this would be happening.
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Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses. Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.
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The loans were not illegal. The repayment is not the issue. The crime is the false valuation of his business assets. It's pretty much spelled out in the indictment. ::)
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Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses. Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.
This and everything else going on seems to highlight the dissatisfaction we all feel about our so-called representative government. How does a man like Trump get any serious consideration? Because the rest of the field is complete crap. People don't feel represented and are left with supporting anyone who talks directly about their concerns whether they actually do anything about them or not.
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Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses. Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.
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This and everything else going on seems to highlight the dissatisfaction we all feel about our so-called representative government. How does a man like Trump get any serious consideration? Because the rest of the field is complete crap. People don't feel represented and are left with supporting anyone who talks directly about their concerns whether they actually do anything about them or not.
How does Trump get serious consideration? Oh I don't know. Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS? Record breaking economy. Record breaking stock market. Affordable gas. Affordable food. Record low unemployment. Record high employment. Low inflation. Low interest rates. Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone. Record numbers dropping off of public assistance. Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border. Investments in poor communities. First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict. Got North Korea to stand down. Secured peace deals in the Middle East. Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria.
There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him.
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How does Trump get serious consideration? Oh I don't know. Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS? Record breaking economy. Record breaking stock market. Affordable gas. Affordable food. Record low unemployment. Record high employment. Low inflation. Low interest rates. Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone. Record numbers dropping off of public assistance. Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border. Investments in poor communities. First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict. Got North Korea to stand down. Secured peace deals in the Middle East. Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria.
There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him.
A post like this shows just how nuts and insane these lunatics are. They prefer WW3 , a disaster economy, a disaster country, all because of their personal hatred of a man, regardless of the fact his policies were the best in anyones lifetime. These liberal kooks and cultists are sick in the fng head.
Let them all go die in Ukraine for Biden for all I care.
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A post like this shows just how nuts and insane these lunatics are. They prefer WW3 , a disaster economy, a disaster country, all because of their personal hatred of a man, regardless of the fact his policies were the best in anyones lifetime. These liberal kooks and cultists are sick in the fng head.
Let them all go die in Ukraine for Biden for all I care.
It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.
I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased. I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now. I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot. This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.
But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.
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It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.
I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased. I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now. I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot. This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.
But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.
From today:
Delivering remarks at the White House just now, Biden asked, "How much are your monthly bills, and after they're all paid, how much do you have left for necessities? Is there enough left over just to give you a little bit of breathing room?"
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From today:
Delivering remarks at the White House just now, Biden asked, "How much are your monthly bills, and after they're all paid, how much do you have left for necessities? Is there enough left over just to give you a little bit of breathing room?"
He is FNG insane!
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In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.
The government is a pretty broad definition. Do you think there is a difference between the federal government, state government, county government, and city government?
Have you heard of Oregon's kicker? A record $5.6 billion in revenue surplus will be returned to taxpayers in the form of an income tax credit known as a “kicker.” In the 22 bienniums since the law was enacted, the refund has been triggered 13 times — including in each of the last five bienniums. Using the calculation method shown in the Oregonian, I should get a kicker check for around $2,000.
The Oregon Legislature is required to enact a balanced budget. This indicates the surplus is real and therefore the kicker is legitimate and not the result of an inflated budget.
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Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses. Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.
Bidenites talking shit about Trump supporters....the irony.
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The government is a pretty broad definition. Do you think there is a difference between the federal government, state government, county government, and city government?
Have you heard of Oregon's kicker? A record $5.6 billion in revenue surplus will be returned to taxpayers in the form of an income tax credit known as a “kicker.” In the 22 bienniums since the law was enacted, the refund has been triggered 13 times — including in each of the last five bienniums. Using the calculation method shown in the Oregonian, I should get a kicker check for around $2,000.
The Oregon Legislature is required to enact a balanced budget. This indicates the surplus is real and therefore the kicker is legitimate and not the result of an inflated budget.
A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid. I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend. He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."
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A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid. I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend. He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."
Seems like if that existed, it would be easy to find. Looking forward to seeing your post with the details
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Bidenites talking shit about Trump supporters....the irony.
Don't you fret, we'll save you
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How does Trump get serious consideration? Oh I don't know. Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS? Record breaking economy. Record breaking stock market. Affordable gas. Affordable food. Record low unemployment. Record high employment. Low inflation. Low interest rates. Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone. Record numbers dropping off of public assistance. Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border. Investments in poor communities. First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict. Got North Korea to stand down. Secured peace deals in the Middle East. Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria.
There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him.
Every president does good and not-so-good things. There are obviously things Trump did that were good, I agree. But there were also things he failed at and did not so well that cost him his bid for reelection. He mishandled the COVID response, with mixed messages on masks, social distancing, and politicizing the pandemic. I believe this ultimately added to the closure of more businesses, especially small ones, than would have been less if he acted more like a leader. He allowed big box stores to stay open and airlines, while he allowed independently owned business to be closed by the states. FUCKING BS!! His approach to foreign policy unsettled allies straining relationships with NATO. His zero-tolerance immigration policy led to family separations. His handling of racial tensions was divisive. While the stock market performed well it can be argued that the gains only benefitted the wealthy. He refused to release his tax returns, which now is notable considering his current dilemmas. On top of all of this, he's got 4 fucking inditements. He's likely dirty.
Personally, "mean tweets" from other people don't bother me. But, in addition to some of his other antics, I expect a level of class from our POTUS, which makes him a baffoon IMO. But really, at the end of the day, no president has done anything about the runaway cost of healthcare, so I give a fail to all of them.
Now we got the "Big guy". and next year what will we have?
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Every president does good and not-so-good things. There are obviously things Trump did that were good, I agree. But there were also things he failed at and did not so well that cost him his bid for reelection. He mishandled the COVID response, with mixed messages on masks, social distancing, and politicizing the pandemic. I believe this ultimately added to the closure of more businesses, especially small ones, than would have been less if he acted more like a leader. He allowed big box stores to stay open and airlines, while he allowed independently owned business to be closed by the states. FUCKING BS!! His approach to foreign policy unsettled allies straining relationships with NATO. His zero-tolerance immigration policy led to family separations. His handling of racial tensions was divisive. While the stock market performed well it can be argued that the gains only benefitted the wealthy. He refused to release his tax returns, which now is notable considering his current dilemmas. On top of all of this, he's got 4 fucking inditements. He's likely dirty.
Personally, "mean tweets" from other people don't bother me. But, in addition to some of his other antics, I expect a level of class from our POTUS, which makes him a baffoon IMO. But really, at the end of the day, no president has done anything about the runaway cost of healthcare, so I give a fail to all of them.
Now we got the "Big guy". and next year what will we have?
I think he lost for one reason: Covid. The economy was booming before Covid. He would have sailed to reelection if not for the pandemic.
I didn't like everything he did during the pandemic, but overall, given what we knew at the time, I think he did good. Including things like shutting down travel from China very early, sending hospital ships to New York (which Cuomo refused to use and let old people die as a result), etc.
Most of the damage was done by mayors and governors. They are the ones who determined what constituted "essential" businesses in their respective cities and states. None of it made sense. And it was all over the place. We were locked down. Florida was open. California was locked down. Texas was open. The gyms were shut down, but Walmart was open. It was crazy. And I think there were massive violations of the law, because mayors and governors took their emergency power laws, which typically allow for a fixed duration, and extended them indefinitely. In other words, they suspended laws and state constitutions indefinitely and played King/Queen by making up their own rules. It was scandalous. And rarely discussed, because the media, the CDC, Fauci, etc. were lying to the public scaring the crap out of everyone. I don't blame Trump for that.
His approach to foreign policy forced NATO countries to increase their contributions. If you look at his entire foreign policy record, there is very little to complain about.
So he separated families by sending illegals back to their country. And this is a problem? As opposed to the literal millions of illegals who have invaded the border since Biden took office?
Your comment about the stock market is not factual. Investors include many people who are not "wealthy." Anyone who owned a portfolio did very well under Trump. That's just undeniable.
I thought he should have released his tax returns, only because he promised he would, but who cares? Congress eventually got them and released them. Rhetorical question: what do his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China?
But really, all you needed to say was he is "dirty." That's really why you have trouble seeing how people can support him. This is a common response to Trump. People cannot get past his personality. And the media/Democrats lie about him, repeatedly, to keep people from making logic-based decisions. Like the "very fine people" lie. Or falsely calling him a racist. Those are all appeals to emotion.
And look, it got me too in 2016. I made a largely emotional decision to not vote for him in 2016. I was really offended by what I thought was his mocking of a disabled reporter. That was a bridge too far for me. So I voted for the space cadet Gary Johnson. I found out after the election that I was duped by the dishonest media.
Since then, I look past his personality and look at what he actually does when he governs. I gave him a clean slate after he was elected and focused on his actual decisions. Pretty easy call for me when I look at his record.
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I think he lost for one reason: Covid. The economy was booming before Covid. He would have sailed to reelection if not for the pandemic.
I didn't like everything he did during the pandemic, but overall, given what we knew at the time, I think he did good. Including things like shutting down travel from China very early, sending hospital ships to New York (which Cuomo refused to use and let old people die as a result), etc.
Most of the damage was done by mayors and governors. They are the ones who determined what constituted "essential" businesses in their respective cities and states. None of it made sense. And it was all over the place. We were locked down. Florida was open. California was locked down. Texas was open. The gyms were shut down, but Walmart was open. It was crazy. And I think there were massive violations of the law, because mayors and governors took their emergency power laws, which typically allow for a fixed duration, and extended them indefinitely. In other words, they suspended laws and state constitutions indefinitely and played King/Queen by making up their own rules. It was scandalous. And rarely discussed, because the media, the CDC, Fauci, etc. were lying to the public scaring the crap out of everyone. I don't blame Trump for that.
His approach to foreign policy forced NATO countries to increase their contributions. If you look at his entire foreign policy record, there is very little to complain about.
So he separated families by sending illegals back to their country. And this is a problem? As opposed to the literal millions of illegals who have invaded the border since Biden took office?
Your comment about the stock market is not factual. Investors include many people who are not "wealthy." Anyone who owned a portfolio did very well under Trump. That's just undeniable.
I thought he should have released his tax returns, only because he promised he would, but who cares? Congress eventually got them and released them. Rhetorical question: what do his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China?
But really, all you needed to say was he is "dirty." That's really why you have trouble seeing how people can support him. This is a common response to Trump. People cannot get past his personality. And the media/Democrats lie about him, repeatedly, to keep people from making logic-based decisions. Like the "very fine people" lie. Or falsely calling him a racist. Those are all appeals to emotion.
And look, it got me too in 2016. I made a largely emotional decision to not vote for him in 2016. I was really offended by what I thought was his mocking of a disabled reporter. That was a bridge too far for me. So I voted for the space cadet Gary Johnson. I found out after the election that I was duped by the dishonest media.
Since then, I look past his personality and look at what he actually does when he governs. I gave him a clean slate after he was elected and focused on his actual decisions. Pretty easy call for me when I look at his record.
Yeah, I think had COVID not happened, or had he handled it better he would have been reelected. I don't agree with separating families because the illegal immigration problem is much more than illegals in our country. I posted about this before.
What does releasing his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China? It has to do with perception and it relates to reelection.
Either way, the more I see this going on with this fraud trial the more unfair and draconian I think the punishment may be. I believe he committed fraud. I don't agree with what is being talked about as his punishment.
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Yeah, I think had COVID not happened, or had he handled it better he would have been reelected. I don't agree with separating families because the illegal immigration problem is much more than illegals in our country. I posted about this before.
What does releasing his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China? It has to do with perception and it relates to reelection.
Either way, the more I see this going on with this fraud trial the more unfair and draconian I think the punishment may be. I believe he committed fraud. I don't agree with what is being talked about as his punishment.
We are in for a wild ride next year. I have no idea what is going to happen.
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A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid. I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend. He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."
I couldn't find Clinton's supposed comments either. But I did learn a little more about the peace dividend which I found interesting.
The cuts were prompted by the end of the Cold War during the presidency of President George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Peace dividend was a political slogan popularized by US President George H. W. Bush.
The post-Cold War shrinkage of the U.S. military was very much a bipartisan effort. It began under a Republican president and a Democratic Congress and continued under a Democratic president and a Republican Congress.
This is a link to an interesting commentary by larry Agran written in 1993 regarding ‘the peace dividend’.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-10-me-1303-story.html
Maybe the economic boost was never intended as a monetary bonus for the people (put money in their pockets).
‘What Is a Peace Dividend? A peace dividend is an economic boost a country will get from a peace that follows a war. In theory, at that time the government can afford to reduce defense spending and reallocate the money to domestic policy priorities.’
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peace-dividend.asp#:~:text=our%20editorial%20policies-,What%20Is%20a%20Peace%20Dividend%3F,money%20to%20domestic%20policy%20priorities.
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Don't you fret, we'll save you
Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?
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Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?
Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.
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Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?
Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.
This exchange is a perfect example of how we got in this mess. :-\
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This exchange is a perfect example of how we got in this mess. :-\
That we are in a mess is a matter of opinion, which you are entitled to have just I am entitled to mine which is not the same as yours, obviously.
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That we are in a mess is a matter of opinion, which you are entitled to have just I am entitled to mine which is not the same as yours, obviously.
My opinion is based on fact. Yours is not.
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Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.
Again, you personal hatred for the man ignores the reality and facts showing things in this country were far better. Speaking of grifting - um the Bidens' ?
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Again, you personal hatred for the man ignores the reality and facts showing things in this country were far better. Speaking of grifting - um the Bidens' ?
How is your personal hatred for Obama working out?
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Lying for a liar, doesn't that make it a Lie(squared)? Weaselburg might have more of his freedom or his "severance package" at risk.
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"Highly problematic": Ex-Trump CFO's testimony abruptly halted after he's accused of perjury
https://www.google.com/search?channel=ftrc&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22Highly+problematic%22%3A+Ex-Trump+CFO%27s+testimony+abruptly+halted+after+he%27s+accused+of+perjury
Former Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg's testimony came to a screeching and unexpected halt Thursday afternoon just hours after a Forbes writer accused him of perjuring himself during an earlier day on the witness stand.
Weisselberg testified Tuesday that he "never focused" on calculating the square footage of former President Donald Trump's three-floor penthouse in an effort to distance himself from Trump's false computation, which sized the property nearly three times greater than its actual square footage.
On Thursday, however, Forbes' senior editor Dan Alexander reported that emails and reporter notes not currently in the New York attorney general's possession contradict Weisselberg's testimony. "Weisselberg absolutely thought about Trump’s apartment—and played a key role in trying to convince Forbes over the course of several years that it was worth more than it really was," Alexander wrote, adding that considering their discussions continued for years and the ex-CFO was very hands-on, "it defies all logic to think he truly believes what he is now saying in court."
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It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.
I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased. I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now. I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot. This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.
But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.
No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will. Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more
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No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will. Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more
Inflation is caused by, among other things, an increase in the money supply (like stimulus money), where there is more money being spent on the same number of goods and services. This causes the cost of goods and services to increase. Can also be caused by an increase in government spending and the price of oil.
The POTUS has a direct impact on all of those things.
You can tell me that the reason my monthly food bill has increased by over $500 has nothing to do with Biden, but I disagree.
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How is your personal hatred for Obama working out?
Is he the president walking us into another war?
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No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will. Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more
Biden tried to take credit for a whopping $0.16 decrease in a hypothetical meal cost. The President doesn't set the prices but his policies and the way he runs the country affect them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4yTHEWUAwN1fY.jpg:large)
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Is he the president walking us into another war?
Are you in the service? Those cankles exempt you from the draft. So don't be worrying about "wars". Leave that for the "suckers and losers" who enlist right?
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Are you in the service? Those cankles exempt you from the draft. So don't be worrying about "wars". Leave that for the "suckers and losers" who enlist right?
When did you enlist?
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When did you enlist?
I didn't. I'm not a sucker or loser.
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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mar-lago-fraud-trial-testimony-1842357 (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mar-lago-fraud-trial-testimony-1842357)
Reacting to the testimony, Gallina said that the New York attorney general office's lawyers managed to play into Trump's ego to get him to admit details which were key to their case.
"They got Donald stewing, basically wanting to say, 'I didn't lie about my wealth. I'm actually worth more than I put in the documents.' They knew that he was not going to just sit there and admit that he inflated his income, how his entire career was based on lying about how much money he had," Gallina said.
"And here they're asking him these questions and like a pressure cooker, he just couldn't handle it. And prosecutors didn't just prove one of those things today. They got him to admit to both, and that is a slam dunk."
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I didn't. I'm a sucker and loser.
Fixed since you're too retarded to know that you're a sucker and loser and lets not forget a homo.
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Fixed since you're too retarded to know that you're a sucker and loser and lets not forget a homo.
Again, you didn’t make it to high school did you? You want my attention so bad. :'( I live rent free in your head. It’s full of faggy vibes too.
“I love the poorly educated” - Trumpy.
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Again, you didn’t make it to high school did you? You want my attention so bad. :'( I live rent free in your head. It’s full of faggy vibes too.
“I love the poorly educated” - Trumpy.
Only three idiots to reply to on this board and you're one of them. Get packing, Yellowman.
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Only three idiots to reply to on this board and you're one of them. Get packing, Yellowman.
Incel rage. It’s amusing to watch. Better stick up on Midol.
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Incel rage. It’s amusing to watch. Better stick up on Midol.
Better get those bags to China packed or Mr. Trump will do it for you.
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JUST IN - A New York judge ruled that Trump inflated his property values, including Mar-a-Lago, which the judge determined was worth $18-$27 million from 2011 to 2021.
To put this into perspective, neighboring homes on 0.28-0.89 acres are listed for $18-40 million.
Mar-a-Lago, the 20-acre property in the middle, is worth less despite being 20 to 70 times larger.
@EricTrump: "The real estate circles in Florida are laughing at this foolishness."
@DonaldJTrumpJr: "If Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million… I’ll take 10 please!!!"
https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1706838593086668946?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
A much smaller home on the same street sold for 53 million.
'A much smaller home on the same street sold for 53 million in 2023. The real estate market always ends up higher overtime. There have been no real estate crashes in the last couple of years.
I don't doubt that Mar-a-Lago is worth more today. One thing to consider though when comparing it to other homes in the area. Mar-a-Lago is something of a 'white elephant'. Marjorie Merriweather Post was a philanthropist whose intention was to donate the property along with her many other properties for public use.
When offered to the state of Florida, they declined because of maintenance costs. So did the Federal Government.
In December 1985, Trump purchased the property from the foundation for $5 million after three other sales failed to go through.
The point with any real estate is that it is only worth what you can sell it for, no matter how you choose to determine its value. The market for Mar-a-Lago is likely pretty limited.
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Better get those bags to China packed or Mr. Trump will do it for you.
Incel rage incoming in one year. What will your excuse be?
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Incel rage incoming in one year. What will your excuse be?
Won't need one. Must be nice to be a blissful idiot and believe America is on the right path. You and your lack of intellect belong in a third World Country. You disgust me!
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Won't need one. Must be nice to be a blissful idiot and believe America is on the right path. You and your lack of intellect belong in a third World Country. You disgust me!
You said the same things in 2020 and 2022. How did that work out for you? Maybe the third times the charm huh?
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Trump will file for mistrial in NY fraud case ‘very soon,’ attorney says
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4306843-trump-file-mistrial-new-york-fraud-case-very-soon/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4306843-trump-file-mistrial-new-york-fraud-case-very-soon/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)
Former President Trump’s attorney Alina Habba said Sunday that she will be filing for a mistrial in the former president’s fraud cause in New York “soon,” while raising concerns that it will be the same trial judge deciding on the motion.
Trump has repeatedly expressed concerns on both social media and in court about the judge presiding over the case, along with the judge’s principal clerk, claiming they are biased and motivated by politics.
Judge Arthur Engoron issued a gag order last month barring Trump and other parties in the case from posting or speaking publicly about members of his staff. Last month, Engoron fined Trump $10,000 for violating the gag order.
Asked on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures” about Trump’s concerns over the judge and clerk, Habba said the gag order prevented her from responding.
“I can tell you that we will be filing papers to address all of those issues,” Habba said.
When asked if she will file for a mistrial, Habba said “soon,” and then “very soon.”
“The problem is, with all of these things, such as filing a motion for recusal, which we have done twice, is that the judge has to be the one that decides: Is he going to recuse himself? Does he feel that there was a mistrial,” Habba said.
“It’s a bench trial. We have one judge. And it’s the same judge that issued the gag order that has to make those determinations. So, at this point, I don’t have any reason to believe he shouldn’t after what we have learned, if it’s true,” Habba continued.
Trump’s defense is slated to begin presenting its case Monday in New York, where Trump faces a $250 million lawsuit from New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) over more than a decade of alleged fraud.
The lawsuit — against Trump, the Trump organization and Trump’s two adult sons — alleges the former president’s company sought lower taxes and better insurance coverage by falsely inflating and deflating the value of its assets. Trump and his sons have denied the claims.
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That case is getting tossed just like they all will. When Mr. Trump is back in the drivers seat there will be hell to pay. Starting with Prime, Lurker and Agnostic...Mr. trump will see them off to China.
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That case is getting tossed just like they all will. When Mr. Trump is back in the drivers seat there will be hell to pay. Starting with Prime, Lurker and Agnostic...Mr. trump will see them off to China.
And if you are wrong and it does not get 'tossed', what is your plan? Will slash your wrist, drown yourself in your bathtub or maybe set yourself on fire?
That you would actually support someone like Trump for President of the United States who only campaign agenda has been revenge against his detractors says allot about you.
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And if you are wrong and it does not get 'tossed', what is your plan? Will slash your wrist, drown yourself in your bathtub or maybe set yourself on fire?
That you would actually support someone like Trump for President of the United States who only campaign agenda has been revenge against his detractors says allot about you.
I'm confident, you're done. Hope your last few years alive are enjoyable under Mr. Trump.
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I'm confident, you're done. Hope your last few years alive are enjoyable under Mr. Trump.
You keep telling me this and yet I am still very much alive. Of course, the odds are in your favor, so saying is a no brainer. I can report that during the past week I had some type of bug (not Covid), but maybe the flu and there were moments when death would have been welcome. Now that I am feeling better, I am over wishing to die.
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That case is getting tossed just like they all will. When Mr. Trump is back in the drivers seat there will be hell to pay. Starting with Prime, Lurker and Agnostic...Mr. trump will see them off to China.
Are you on medications for your delusions? There is no cure for stupidity but I'm hoping you are making an attempt.
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And if you are wrong and it does not get 'tossed', what is your plan? Will slash your wrist, drown yourself in your bathtub or maybe set yourself on fire?
That you would actually support someone like Trump for President of the United States who only campaign agenda has been revenge against his detractors says allot about you.
The same thing it has been since 2020. Whine, cry, amaze us with his astute mastery of living with a lack of critical thinking skills.
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The same thing it has been since 2020. Whine, cry, amaze us with his astute mastery of living with a lack of critical thinking skills.
2020 is over. You are in for a big surprise in 24', Commie!
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2020 is over. You are in for a big surprise in 24', Commie!
That is what you said in 2022 too.
Also, it is '24. Not 24'. The " ' " always precedes the latter in abbreviations.
"I love the poorly educated". - Trumpy
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That is what you said in 2022 too.
Also, it is '24. Not 24'. The " ' " always precedes the latter in abbreviations.
"I love the poorly educated". - Trumpy
This is hilarious. The period goes inside of the quotation mark, so it should read: “I love the poorly educated.” Not “poorly educated”.
When you are being an arrogant Grammar Nazi, ensure your own is accurate. Lol
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This is hilarious. The period goes inside of the quotation mark, so it should read: “I love the poorly educated.” Not “poorly educated”.
When you are being an arrogant Grammar Nazi, ensure your own is accurate. Lol
Ah grammar - so many rules and they keep changing. There is at least one circumstance where the period goes outside the quotation marks. If a citation in parentheses follows the quotation, the period follows the citation.
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Ah grammar - so many rules and the keep changing. There is at least one circumstance where the period goes outside the quotation marks. If a citation in parentheses follows the quotation, the period follows the citation.
Assuming that is true (and I haven't verified it) that doesn't apply to what Lurker posted. I don't care one iota about grammar on a message board, but when someone is trying to attack someone's intelligence, education, grammar, etc. and then makes mistakes when doing so, I find it pretty darn funny. :)
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Assuming that is true (and I haven't verified it) that doesn't apply to what Lurker posted. I don't care one iota about grammar on a message board, but when someone is trying to attack someone's intelligence, education, grammar, etc. and then makes mistakes when doing so, I find it pretty darn funny. :)
I am sure talk to text will be thrilled to hear from you. ::)
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This is hilarious. The period goes inside of the quotation mark, so it should read: “I love the poorly educated.” Not “poorly educated”.
When you are being an arrogant Grammar Nazi, ensure your own is accurate. Lol
;)
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Trump never risked defaulting on loan covenants, banker suggests
Deutsche Bank managing director Dave Williams downplayed the possibility that Donald Trump could have defaulted on the net-worth covenants included in his loans.
While both parties agree that Trump never defaulted on his loans, New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.
Defense attorney Jesus Suarez pushed back on that allegation by asking Williams about the severity of a covenant default -- i.e., breaching the terms of the loan -- compared to a payment default triggered by a missed payment.
"Generally speaking, a payment default is a more material default than a covenant default," Williams said. "It speaks definitively to the repayment of the loan."
Williams described a loan covenant as a "guardrail," and suggested that breaching the covenant would have brought Trump back to the negotiating table to adjust the loan terms.
Williams also reiterated that he was not aware of any loan or covenant defaults by Trump.
James is expected to request a fine of nearly $400 million for Trump's allegedly ill-gotten gains, including over $140 million based on the potential interest she says was lost by Deutsche Bank. By proving that the loan agreements were lawful, Trump's lawyers could significantly lower the fine Trump faces.
Net worth is subjective, banker says
The managing director of Deutsche Bank, which was Trump's primary lender in the 2010s, testified that it would be impossible for the bank to calculate their client's net worth with mathematical certainty.
"I don't believe that is possible," said Dave Williams, testifying for the defense. "I think an individual's net worth as reported is largely subjective, or subject to the use of estimates."
The assertion bolsters a recurring theme of the defense's case -- that determining the value of Trump's assets was less of a science than an art form.
Williams said that, regardless of what Trump reported, Deutsche Bank made more conservative estimates about the value of his assets.
"I think it's a difference of opinion. We expect clients provide information to be accurate. At the same time, it's not an industry standard that these financial statements are audited," Williams said.
Trump fraud trial live updates: Trump never risked defaulting on loan covenants, banker suggests
The former president is on trial in New York for allegedly defrauding lenders.
By Peter Charalambous, Aaron Katersky, Olivia Rubin, and Lucien Bruggeman
Last Updated: November 28, 2023
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-defaulting-on-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561
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Of all the trials, this one and the Stormy payment one are so fucking stupid.
They are both a case of weaponizing the courts for personal gain.
There literally were no victims in these supposed "crimes" and they will never try to prosecute other real estate folks who do the same thing.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561)
Engoron said "the mere fact that the lenders were happy doesn't mean the statute wasn't violated."
This is what he's dealing with and the fines and punishment are ridiculous.
Things like this will discourage companies from doing business in New York in the future knowing that at any moment they can lose their right to do business in that state over something that didn't result in a victim or complaint.
I don't support Trump. I don't think he is good for America.
But I don't support this.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561)
Engoron said "the mere fact that the lenders were happy doesn't mean the statute wasn't violated."
This is what he's dealing with and the fines and punishment are ridiculous.
Things like this will discourage companies from doing business in New York in the future knowing that at any moment they can lose their right to do business in that state over something that didn't result in a victim or complaint.
I don't support Trump. I don't think he is good for America.
But I don't support this.
This is the position of a rational person who can dislike Trump without having TDS.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561)
Engoron said "the mere fact that the lenders were happy doesn't mean the statute wasn't violated."
This is what he's dealing with and the fines and punishment are ridiculous.
Things like this will discourage companies from doing business in New York in the future knowing that at any moment they can lose their right to do business in that state over something that didn't result in a victim or complaint.
I don't support Trump. I don't think he is good for America.
But I don't support this.
This is rational thinking.
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This is the position of a rational person who can dislike Trump without having TDS.
It will be interesting to see how 2 of the other indictments play out.
I don't see how they can pin much of anything on him on the 1/6 thing. I wonder what the accusers have in the way of evidence outside of what we saw that day of him directly inciting and orchestrating it.
Same with the election interference one. I think that one might be the biggest danger for him to really get charged.
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It will be interesting to see how 2 of the other indictments play out.
I don't see how they can pin much of anything on him on the 1/6 thing. I wonder what the accusers have in the way of evidence outside of what we saw that day of him directly inciting and orchestrating it.
Same with the election interference one. I think that one might be the biggest danger for him to really get charged.
I’ll be surprised if he isn’t convicted in the New York, DC, and Georgia cases. Or frankly the Florida case.
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report:%20Testimony%20has%20'blown%20up'%20Letitia%20James'%20fraud%20case%20against%20Trump
A new report reveals that testimony from Deutsche Bank officials in New York Attorney General Letitia James' claims that Donald Trump's companies engaged in fraud has "blown up" the case.
James campaigned for her statewide office on the slogan of getting Trump, even though there was no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of his companies. She's now in court, claiming fraud and demanding $250 million in damages and the execution of his New York enterprises, even though there's no evidence of unpaid loans, irate partners, unmade payments, or anything of that kind.
Trump has charged repeatedly that it's no more than a political witch hunt in which James, apparently with the aid of Judge Arthur Engoron, is trying to inflict as much damage on him as possible, without cause.
A report in The Gateway Pundit explains now how testimony from a Deutsche Bank official undermined James' claims.
The report first explained the executive "gave testimony that could bolster Donald Trump’s defense in his civil fraud trial, telling a New York judge that prospective clients can get loans even after reporting a net worth far higher than the lender’s own calculations."
David Williams, who worked on at least one of three loans Deutsche Bank made to Trump in the years before he was elected president, testified Tuesday that it's 'atypical, but not entirely unusual' for the bank to cut a client’s stated asset value by 50% and approve a loan anyway, as it did with Trump."
Williams worked on at least one of the loans Deutsche Bank made to Trump before he was president, and said the stated assets are merely an opinion and a difference of opinion in asset values does not disqualify a borrower.
The Pundit explained, "Radical Marxist New York Attorney General Letitia James is seeking $250 million in 'damages' when there is no victim in this fraud case and she is also seeking to ban Trump and his sons from operating any businesses in New York. She accused Trump of inflating his assets and defrauding lenders and insurance companies."
The banker said such lending "is typical in high net-worth, high-profile clients like Donald Trump," the report explained.
Engoron repeatedly has acted in opposition to Trump's defense, and recently threatened that fining Trump for "illegal profits" could be a remedy.
The Pundit explained that was in a case "with zero victims."
Writing at the Daily Caller News Foundation, Jacobson explained that although the state office James holds has great power, hundreds of employees and authority both in criminal and civil venues, "political neutrality is not what Attorney General Letitia James has delivered."
In fact, her campaign for the office was based on her promise "to get Donald Trump on something, anything," he explained. As a result, she's "conducted herself in office to exact political revenge on the former president, his businesses, and his family."
In fact, it was during 2018 while she was campaigning that James demanded: "He should be charged with obstructing justice. I believe that the president of these United States can be indicted for criminal offenses and we would join with law enforcement and other attorneys general across the nation in removing this president from office."
Jacobson pointed out James also was on social media boasting of an endorsement from Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who said James would, if elected, "investigate Trump.
When she was elected, Jacobson reported, James bragged, "I will be shining a bright light into every dark corner of his real estate dealings…."
In office, she's promoted multiple "investigations" of Trump, "even threatening a church as which Eric Trump was appearing," Jacobson wrote.
Then came the announcement of a civil lawsuit against the Trumps.
However, Jacobson pointed out that no one is alleged to have lost money because of any Trump action, and the focus of the dispute, the valuation of properties, was conceded by even the New York Times to be "often subjective."
In fact, Engoron radically claimed that Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence is worth some $18 million, triggering a massive eye roll from the real estate community, where real experts suggested it was worth 50 times that – or more.
The fact is that all of the loans that generated the dispute have been paid off.
"Tish James campaigned on and conducted her office for the purpose of investigating a political opponent and those around him trying to find a crime. That is Soviet-level prosecutorial abuse where individuals are targeted not to prosecute a crime, but to sift through their lives in the hope of finding a crime," Jacobson said. "And lacking a prosecutable crime, trying to bring them down and purge them from the economic world through a civil lawsuit."
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a term coined for a malady suffered by those who hate something simply because President Trump is involved.
Other legal experts have warned James destroyed her own neutrality and credibility by threatening Trump before she was elected.
https://www.wnd.com/2023/11/report-testimony-blown-letitia-james-fraud-case-trump/
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Witness Tells NY Court Mar-a-Lago is Worth Over a Billion.
Lawrence Moens, a witness in Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, says Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate is worth at least a billion dollars. Democrat-linked Judge Arthur Engoron and his partisan aide Allison Greenfield had valued it at just $18 million. “It’s something breathtaking. It’s something amazing to see,” Moens told the court on Tuesday.
Far from having overvalued the property in loan applications, Moens believes Trump significantly undervalued it. This is in line with Trump’s own contention that the numbers he submitted excluded his personal brand value. Moens put Mar-a-Lago’s value in 2011 at ~$655 million, compared to a Trump valuation of ~$426 million. Moens put Mar-a-Lago’s value in 2021 at over a billion dollars, compared to a Trump valuation of ~$612 million. During a moment when he sent Moens out of the courtroom, Engoron claimed that whether or not Trump overvalued his properties was “not the bottom issue for me.” He insisted the real issue was whether or not “false documents” were submitted to secure favorable loan agreements. Trump and his team say no one besides the Democrat Attorney General has complained, and all loans have been fully repaid. The former president has also branded the Attorney General, her case, and Engoron himself a “disgrace”.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/12/06/witness-tells-ny-court-mar-a-lago-is-worth-over-a-billion/
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So he isn't going to show up and
lie testify. Again. ::)
What a surprise. (not really).
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Witness Tells NY Court Mar-a-Lago is Worth Over a Billion.
Lawrence Moens, a witness in Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, says Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate is worth at least a billion dollars. Democrat-linked Judge Arthur Engoron and his partisan aide Allison Greenfield had valued it at just $18 million. “It’s something breathtaking. It’s something amazing to see,” Moens told the court on Tuesday.
Far from having overvalued the property in loan applications, Moens believes Trump significantly undervalued it. This is in line with Trump’s own contention that the numbers he submitted excluded his personal brand value. Moens put Mar-a-Lago’s value in 2011 at ~$655 million, compared to a Trump valuation of ~$426 million. Moens put Mar-a-Lago’s value in 2021 at over a billion dollars, compared to a Trump valuation of ~$612 million. During a moment when he sent Moens out of the courtroom, Engoron claimed that whether or not Trump overvalued his properties was “not the bottom issue for me.” He insisted the real issue was whether or not “false documents” were submitted to secure favorable loan agreements. Trump and his team say no one besides the Democrat Attorney General has complained, and all loans have been fully repaid. The former president has also branded the Attorney General, her case, and Engoron himself a “disgrace”.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/12/06/witness-tells-ny-court-mar-a-lago-is-worth-over-a-billion/
Trump.....................Winning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well then, Trumpy will step up and pay the adjusted tax bill with no whining right? ;D
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Well then, Trumpy will step up and pay the adjusted tax bill with no whining right? ;D
Tax assessments are not based on market value, and market value is not based on tax assessments.
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Tax assessments are not based on market value, and market value is not based on tax assessments.
Well then, Trumpy will step up and pay the adjusted tax bill with no whining right? ;D
;D = sarcasm
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;D = sarcasm
Were these sarcasm too?
It's funny seeing Trumpturds arguing about the value and numbers of Mar-A-Lardo being incorrect and yet keeping quiet about the values and numbers Trumpy used elsewhere. I mean, it's only like what this entire case is about. ::)
Funny numbers is ok when Trumpy uses them but not when anyone else does?
Ok, so does this mean he will be receiving an amended tax bill for the property over the years or what? ::)
Retards void of common sense like you do not see the irony or hypocrisy in your own statements.
So since it worth 10x or 50x or whatever he claims now as opposed to what the judge said, he won't be complaining when he gets served an adjusted tax bill and owes more money right?
Big jump from 18M to 500+M. Big tax bill for all the years prior that it was undervalued. Sounds like you better double up on the donations to him.
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Were these sarcasm too?
Seeing how it is basically the exact same thing I just posted, I would think it would be clear. Yeah. Did you really need that pointed out to you?
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Seeing how it is basically the exact same thing I just posted, I would think it would be clear. Yeah. Did you really need that pointed out to you?
It is not clear. You didn't use your "smiley face." What's clear is that you didn't understand that tax assessed value isn't the same as market value and that the assessor isn't going to revise an assessment based on Trump's contention that the market value is much higher. Market value is almost always greater than the tax assessed value.
I'm quite certain you needed that pointed out to you. Not that it will do any good. . . .
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Trump laughs at all the peons trying to derail his immaculate road back to the White House in 2024. He will personally pick Hunter up by his panties and escort the drug infested c unt off the property. Sight to see..
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Tax assessments are not based on market value, and market value is not based on tax assessments.
If you are referencing real estate taxes, what the assessments are based on depends on tax laws where the property is located. Likewise, market values. Sometimes indirectly real estate taxes are based on true market value. Most often real estate taxes are based on appraised value with variables. In most states and municipalities, assessed value is calculated as a percentage of the property's fair market value. The percentage rate used can vary from one place to another.
In Oregon, the amount of property tax you pay is based on two things: 1) the assessed value of your property, and 2) the amount of taxes that each taxing district is authorized to raise (bonds and levies). The Oregon constitution places limits on both factors.
For example, as a result of measure 5 which was passed in 1990, the tax limit is based on a property's maximum assessed value (MAV). MAV cannot increase by more than 3 percent each year, unless there are changes to the property, such as the addition of a new structure, improvement of an existing structure, or subdivision or partition of the property.
This is a bonus for people like me whose home is 5 decades old. A newly built house in the same neighborhood and with the same features as mine would have higher real estate taxes.
https://www.orcities.org/application/files/4015/6115/9506/LOC_Measure_5__50_Primer9-8-17.pdf
Like Oregon, California prop. 13 which was passed in 1978 greatly affects real estate taxes to the benefit of longtime property owners.
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If you are referencing real estate taxes, what the assessments are based on depends on tax laws where the property is located. Likewise, market values. Sometimes indirectly real estate taxes are based on true market value. Most often real estate taxes are based on appraised value with variables. In most states and municipalities, assessed value is calculated as a percentage of the property's fair market value. The percentage rate used can vary from one place to another.
In Oregon, the amount of property tax you pay is based on two things: 1) the assessed value of your property, and 2) the amount of taxes that each taxing district is authorized to raise (bonds and levies). The Oregon constitution places limits on both factors.
For example, as a result of measure 5 which was passed in 1990, the tax limit is based on a property's maximum assessed value (MAV). MAV cannot increase by more than 3 percent each year, unless there are changes to the property, such as the addition of a new structure, improvement of an existing structure, or subdivision or partition of the property.
This is a bonus for people like me whose home is 5 decades old. A newly built house in the same neighborhood and with the same features as mine would have higher real estate taxes.
https://www.orcities.org/application/files/4015/6115/9506/LOC_Measure_5__50_Primer9-8-17.pdf
Like Oregon, California prop. 13 which was passed in 1978 greatly affects real estate taxes to the benefit of longtime property owners.
I'm not sure you understand the difference between an assessed value and market value. Two completely different things. Assessed values use whatever variables the government agency wants. Market value is what the house will sell for, which is largely based on comparable properties that have sold nearby. These two values are rarely the same, with market value being higher than tax assessed value.
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It is not clear. You didn't use your "smiley face." What's clear is that you didn't understand that tax assessed value isn't the same as market value and that the assessor isn't going to revise an assessment based on Trump's contention that the market value is much higher. Market value is almost always greater than the tax assessed value.
I'm quite certain you needed that pointed out to you. Not that it will do any good. . . .
So basically you rely on a smiley face to understand the written word. Ok, got it. Sounds like a shortcoming on your part.
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I'm not sure you understand the difference between an assessed value and market value. Two completely different things. Assessed values use whatever variables the government agency wants. Market value is what the house will sell for, which is largely based on comparable properties that have sold nearby. These two values are rarely the same, with market value being higher than tax assessed value.
The subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 resulted in a huge downturn in the housing market. Many people’s properties were assessed higher than market value. Some folks successfully challenged these assessments and were successful at getting them lowered. Market value drove these reduced assessments.
I bought my first house in 1970 and paid real estate taxes on it. At no point in the past 53 years have I not owned property or paid real estate taxes. If you believe I don't know the difference between assessed value and market value, you are nuts. And you did not read or did not comprehend what I previously wrote about real estate taxes. This is not surprising. There's much you think you know that you don't.
I got to thinking, since according to you I do not know the difference between assessed value and market value, I should probably surrender my Real Estate license. ::)
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Seems like all the Bidens have problems paying their taxes. Tick tock Bidens.
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The subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 resulted in a huge downturn in the housing market. Many people’s properties were assessed higher than market value. Some folks successfully challenged these assessments and were successful at getting them lowered. Market value drove these reduced assessments.
I bought my first house in 1970 and paid real estate taxes on it. At no point in the past 53 years have I not owned property or paid real estate taxes. If you believe I don't know the difference between assessed value and market value, you are nuts. And you did not read or did not comprehend what I previously wrote about real estate taxes. This is not surprising. There's much you think you know that you don't.
I got to thinking, since according to you I do not know the difference between assessed value and market value, I should probably surrender my Real Estate license. ::)
Don't fall into the trap of being so insecure that you start giving people your résumé like our resident insecure atheist (Agnostic). It doesn't make your comments any more credible.
If you are trying to use the subprime meltdown to discuss the relationship between assessed and market value, then you are just solidifying that you don't understand the difference.
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Seriously? How did they come up with the $370 million fine? $370 in damages?
I mean, come on, find him 10 million or something. Not 14% of his net worth. Then maybe have him pay for 3rd party audits in the future.
This is not right.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/politics/trump-civil-trial-testimony/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/politics/trump-civil-trial-testimony/index.html)
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Seriously? How did they come up with the $370 million fine? $370 in damages?
I mean, come on, find him 10 million or something. Not 14% of his net worth. Then maybe have him pay for 3rd party audits in the future.
This is not right.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/politics/trump-civil-trial-testimony/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/politics/trump-civil-trial-testimony/index.html)
No one was defrauded and no one was ever damaged. This is more TDS
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Pretty good take down of this farce.
https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1745838653484441869
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Actual journalism from the mainstream media? Wow. :o
AP’s review of nearly 150 reported cases since New York’s “repeated fraud” statute was passed in 1956 showed that nearly every previous time a company was taken away, victims and losses were key factors. Customers had lost money or bought defective products or never received services ordered, leaving them cheated and angry.
Taking away Trump’s business empire would stand alone under New York fraud law
Within days, Donald Trump could have his sprawling real estate business empire ordered “dissolved” for repeated misrepresentations on financial statements to lenders, adding him to a short list of scam marketers, con artists and others who have been hi...
By BERNARD CONDON Associated Press
January 29, 2024
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/taking-trumps-business-empire-stand-new-york-fraud-106754158
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Actual journalism from the mainstream media? Wow. :o
AP’s review of nearly 150 reported cases since New York’s “repeated fraud” statute was passed in 1956 showed that nearly every previous time a company was taken away, victims and losses were key factors. Customers had lost money or bought defective products or never received services ordered, leaving them cheated and angry.
Taking away Trump’s business empire would stand alone under New York fraud law
Within days, Donald Trump could have his sprawling real estate business empire ordered “dissolved” for repeated misrepresentations on financial statements to lenders, adding him to a short list of scam marketers, con artists and others who have been hi...
By BERNARD CONDON Associated Press
January 29, 2024
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/taking-trumps-business-empire-stand-new-york-fraud-106754158
This part of a similar article in AP News is interesting and surprising: 'In a footnote in a 94-page summary document filed earlier this month, Letitia James suggested a compromise decision for Engoron: Appoint an independent monitor to oversee Trump’s operations for five years, after which the court could decide whether to revoke his business certificates and possibly put him out of business.'
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-business-law-courts-banks-lending-punishment-2ee9e509a28c24d0cda92da2f9a9b689
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This part of a similar article in AP News is interesting and surprising: 'In a footnote in a 94-page summary document filed earlier this month, Letitia James suggested a compromise decision for Engoron: Appoint an independent monitor to oversee Trump’s operations for five years, after which the court could decide whether to revoke his business certificates and possibly put him out of business.'
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-business-law-courts-banks-lending-punishment-2ee9e509a28c24d0cda92da2f9a9b689
What's interesting and surprising about it? It's still a fascist attempt to destroy the man when there are no victims.
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What's interesting and surprising about it? It's still a fascist attempt to destroy the man when there are no victims.
According to law he committed and is charged with civil fraud. Civil fraud is when the fraud is an intentional misrepresentation of facts. Criminal fraud is when theft is involved in the fraud. For example, lying on your income taxes is a type of civil fraud.
That there may have been no victims is irrelevant. That there were no victims is debatable.
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According to law he committed and is charged with civil fraud. Civil fraud is when the fraud is an intentional misrepresentation of facts. Criminal fraud is when theft is involved in the fraud. For example, lying on your income taxes is a type of civil fraud.
That there may have been no victims is irrelevant. That there were no victims is debatable.
Fraud always has a victim. Except in this case, so yes the fact there is no victim is relevant. What is debatable about the victim here? The banks loaned money and were repaid with interest. They are not complaining. They testified in support of Trump. And these loans are from many years ago. Who exactly is the victim?
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According to law he committed and is charged with civil fraud. Civil fraud is when the fraud is an intentional misrepresentation of facts. Criminal fraud is when theft is involved in the fraud. For example, lying on your income taxes is a type of civil fraud.
That there may have been no victims is irrelevant. That there were no victims is debatable.
Jesus Christ just shut up Prime. Either you really believe this is about the “law” in this case or you’re trolling.
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Jesus Christ just shut up Prime. Either you really believe this is about the “law” in this case or you’re trolling.
He's beyond help & wilfully being obtuse 99% of the Time.
Maybe how he gets his kicks playing being deliberately daft ::)
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According to law he committed and is charged with civil fraud. Civil fraud is when the fraud is an intentional misrepresentation of facts. Criminal fraud is when theft is involved in the fraud. For example, lying on your income taxes is a type of civil fraud.
That there may have been no victims is irrelevant. That there were no victims is debatable.
This concept flies over their head. They are limited to "No one was clubbed, can't be a crime". There are a plethora of laws that don't necessarily require a victim. Speeding is one.. "You can't give me a ticket for going 120 mph, there's no victim!" The thought process of these nuts is laughable
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This concept flies over their head. They are limited to "No one was clubbed, can't be a crime". There are a plethora of laws that don't necessarily require a victim. Speeding is one.. "You can't give me a ticket for going 120 mph, there's no victim!" The thought process of these nuts is laughable
Just because something is in law doesn't mean its right - Many laws are plain wrong & changed or over turned.
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Fraud always has a victim. Except in this case, so yes the fact there is no victim is relevant. What is debatable about the victim here? The banks loaned money and were repaid with interest. They are not complaining. They testified in support of Trump. And these loans are from many years ago. Who exactly is the victim?
So, if I go and steal money from people to buy lottery tickets, win the lottery and pay the people the money back before they notice I stole it then its perfectly fine????
That's the problem, while the banks got paid back with interest, he still placed an undue risk on the banks that they wouldn't be paid back and would have no way to fully recoup the losses....that's usually how it ends for the vast majority of similiar cases.
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So, if I go and steal money from people to buy lottery tickets, win the lottery and pay the people the money back before they notice I stole it then its perfectly fine????
That's the problem, while the banks got paid back with interest, he still placed an undue risk on the banks that they wouldn't be paid back and would have no way to fully recoup the losses....that's usually how it ends for the vast majority of similiar cases.
Not a good analogy. A more accurate one would be you borrow money from people to buy lottery tickets, allegedly lied to them about your financial condition, then repaid the loan with interest.
Trump didn't place any undue risk on banks. They have pretty intense underwriting for large loans. They did their homework. They loaned money. They got repaid with interest. No victim here.
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Not a good analogy. A more accurate one would be you borrow money from people to buy lottery tickets, allegedly lied to them about your financial condition, then repaid the loan with interest.
Trump didn't place any undue risk on banks. They have pretty intense underwriting for large loans. They did their homework. They loaned money. They got repaid with interest. No victim here.
There is still a point of lying..
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There is still a point of lying..
Assuming Trump lied about the value of his assets. Businesses and individuals are constantly overvaluing their assets. That isn't necessarily lying. Especially when the banks go through their own extensive due diligence. And the main point is there is no victim here. Not the banks. Not the government. Not the taxpayers or any other consumer.
What they have been doing to this man is just off the rails crazy. And unamerican.
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Jesus Christ just shut up Prime. Either you really believe this is about the “law” in this case or you’re trolling.
FYI, your opinion is worthless. What I posted are the facts of law and not my opinion. Look up civil versus criminal fraud.
In May 2023, a jury found Trump liable for defamation and sexual abuse and awarded Carroll $5 million. Then Trump compounded the problem by defaming his accuser. This was a trial by jury comprised of seven men and two women. There were eighty prospective jurors to choose from. These were both civil trials.
Trump has also been indicted and charged with 91 felony counts across four criminal cases. Wait for 'the shit to hit the fan.'
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It does matter what "it's about" in the context of enforcing a law.
Our judicial system must uphold it.
We can bitch and whine as much as we want about the "law" and "no victims" etc.
What's concerning is everything else I have been talking about.
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It does matter what "it's about" in the context of enforcing a law.
Our judicial system must uphold it.
We can bitch and whine as much as we want about the "law" and "no victims" etc.
What's concerning is everything else I have been talking about.
The judicial system should not uphold laws that don't make any dang sense.
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The judicial system should not uphold laws that don't make any dang sense.
Jury nullification helps with this, and that is why judges and prosecutors hate it and try to intimidate jurors against doing it.
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The judicial system should not uphold laws that don't make any dang sense.
I wonder how many other stupid laws there are?
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I don't see how this thing survives on appeal. If it gets this far, I think the U.S. Supreme Court would find that it violates the 8th Amendment as an excessive fine. Absolutely crazy to impose a fine like this when there was no actual fraud, no victim, and the alleged victims (the banks) testified in Trump's favor, saying they wanted to do business with him again. Only in today's upside down world can something like this happen.
Good, short discussion here:
Western Lensman
@WesternLensman
Shark Tank’s Kevin O’Leary is back again, this time scorching CNN’s Laura Coates:
🔥🔥“Excuse me, what fraud? This is no longer about Trump. I care about America."🔥🔥
The exchange gets heated quickly when Coates defends the judgment against Trump, and asks why companies would want to business with “people like yourself...if they know they can get away with fraud."
O’Leary: "Excuse me, what fraud? This is not about Trump anymore. This haggling has gone on for decades. That’s how it works….forget about Trump.
I care about America. I care about entrepreneurship. I care about democracy. And the fairness of the judicial system is now being criticized.
People in New York should wake up and asking themselves, why is this becoming so perverse. Why are we the focus of this injustice?
New York is slowly becoming the number one loser state in America."
This entire exchange is fire. Worth watching in its entirety.
https://twitter.com/WesternLensman/status/1759930006199849104
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Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
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Feb 22
Every American should watch this video of Letitia James, in her own words.
This is third-world stuff.
Our country is done if these are the kinds of people in charge of making prosecutorial decisions.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Letitia%20James%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
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Judge Engoron’s Inflation Of Trump’s ‘Ill-Gotten Gains’ Is The Real Financial Fraud
BY: JOSEPH LOBUE
Engoron overvalues Trump’s alleged savings and profits to such a preposterously false extent, it should be a crime itself.
FEBRUARY 23, 2024
https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2024%2F02%2F23%2Fjudge-engorons-inflation-of-trumps-ill-gotten-gains-is-a-financial-crime-in-itself%2F
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Trump appeals ruling in massive NY civil fraud case
Trump was barred from operating his business and charged over $350 million
By Anders Hagstrom Fox News
Published February 26, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appeals-ruling-350-million-ny-civil-fraud-case
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So he requested a $100M bond because the judge prohibited him from borrowing money. This decision lifts that loan restriction.
It may take getting to the U.S. Supreme Court, but no way does this thing stand.
Judge declines to pause Trump's $454 million fraud penalty, but halts some sanctions
Updated on: February 28, 2024
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fraud-appeal-bond-new-york/
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So he requested a $100M bond because the judge prohibited him from borrowing money. This decision lifts that loan restriction.
It may take getting to the U.S. Supreme Court, but no way does this thing stand.
Judge declines to pause Trump's $454 million fraud penalty, but halts some sanctions
Updated on: February 28, 2024
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fraud-appeal-bond-new-york/
Do you think the banks will grant him signature loans for hundreds of millions of dollars? Don’t you suppose they would require collateral to assure repayment? All the fines, interest and penalties might bleed him dry.
Is Trump considered trustworthy by lenders? He claims to be over $10 billion, but estimates put that figure closer to $2 billion. The request to reduce the bond to $100 mil supposedly because he cannot pay the full amount owed, conflicts with his claims of wealth.
Trump owes another $110,000 for refusing to comply with a subpoena in the civil fraud case and $15,000 for repeatedly disparaging the judge’s law clerk in violation of a gag order. As part of Friday’s ruling, the judge also ordered both of Trump’s sons to pay $4 million apiece.
Trump’s court-ordered debts do not end there. Last month Judge Robert Reed ordered that he must pay $400,000 in legal fees to The New York Times after suing the newspaper unsuccessfully. He is currently appealing a judgment of $938,000 against him and his attorney for filing what U.S. District Court Judge Donald Middlebrooks, described as a “frivolous” lawsuit against Hillary Clinton.
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Do you think the banks will grant him signature loans for hundreds of millions of dollars? Don’t you suppose they would require collateral to assure repayment? All the fines, interest and penalties might bleed him dry.
Is Trump considered trustworthy by lenders? He claims to be over $10 billion, but estimates put that figure closer to $2 billion. The request to reduce the bond to $100 mil supposedly because he cannot pay the full amount owed, conflicts with his claims of wealth.
Trump owes another $110,000 for refusing to comply with a subpoena in the civil fraud case and $15,000 for repeatedly disparaging the judge’s law clerk in violation of a gag order. As part of Friday’s ruling, the judge also ordered both of Trump’s sons to pay $4 million apiece.
Trump’s court-ordered debts do not end there. Last month Judge Robert Reed ordered that he must pay $400,000 in legal fees to The New York Times after suing the newspaper unsuccessfully. He is currently appealing a judgment of $938,000 against him and his attorney for filing what U.S. District Court Judge Donald Middlebrooks, described as a “frivolous” lawsuit against Hillary Clinton.
Trumpy knows that appealing this will not matter. He will appeal and then do everything to delay and drag the case out even longer. And then he will appeal that other court's decision, on and on... because his only hope is winning and trying to pardon himself.
No bank is going to lend him money.
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Do you think the banks will grant him signature loans for hundreds of millions of dollars? Don’t you suppose they would require collateral to assure repayment? All the fines, interest and penalties might bleed him dry.
Is Trump considered trustworthy by lenders? He claims to be over $10 billion, but estimates put that figure closer to $2 billion. The request to reduce the bond to $100 mil supposedly because he cannot pay the full amount owed, conflicts with his claims of wealth.
Trump owes another $110,000 for refusing to comply with a subpoena in the civil fraud case and $15,000 for repeatedly disparaging the judge’s law clerk in violation of a gag order. As part of Friday’s ruling, the judge also ordered both of Trump’s sons to pay $4 million apiece.
Trump’s court-ordered debts do not end there. Last month Judge Robert Reed ordered that he must pay $400,000 in legal fees to The New York Times after suing the newspaper unsuccessfully. He is currently appealing a judgment of $938,000 against him and his attorney for filing what U.S. District Court Judge Donald Middlebrooks, described as a “frivolous” lawsuit against Hillary Clinton.
Yes the lenders will likely require some kind of collateral for a bond. He owns millions in property, so that shouldn't be a problem.
If you're asking whether he is trustworthy to lenders then you didn't follow the trial in this case. The banks testified on his behalf and said he repaid millions in loans with interest. The banks also referred to him as a "whale," which is a client that does big business, is a good risk, and someone they want to do more business with.
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Yes the lenders will likely require some kind of collateral for a bond. He owns millions in property, so that shouldn't be a problem.
If you're asking whether he is trustworthy to lenders then you didn't follow the trial in this case. The banks testified on his behalf and said he repaid millions in loans with interest. The banks also referred to him as a "whale," which is a client that does big business, is a good risk, and someone they want to do more business with.
Equis, once again you do not know what I followed. I am aware how the banks testified regarding previous experiences with making loans to Trump. When it comes to borrowing money that was then and this is now. A person's credit score is only as good as it is now. Updates on credit scores are monthly. In 2016 Trump's business credit score was 19 out of a possible 100. Note: personal credit scores fall on a scale of 300 to 850, while business credit scores range from 1 to 100.
According to the FOX News story, 'The Nav report said the score indicates the Trump Organization “is very likely to default on its credit payments” and that “this will make it difficult to get financing.” It puts Trump’s Organization in a “medium-to-high risk” category.
If Trump owns millions of dollars in property, their value depends on the amount leveraged. From what I read; his overseas business empire is on the rise. Whether this means he has holdings in other countries which could be used as collateral, I do not know.
On the plus side for Trump's financial picture is his potential for the RNC nomination is great. His multiple other legal problems could negatively impact lenders approving his requests for financing.
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Equis, once again you do not know what I followed. I am aware how the banks testified regarding previous experiences with making loans to Trump. When it comes to borrowing money that was then and this is now. A person's credit score is only as good as it is now. Updates on credit scores are monthly. In 2016 Trump's business credit score was 19 out of a possible 100. Note: personal credit scores fall on a scale of 300 to 850, while business credit scores range from 1 to 100.
According to the FOX News story, 'The Nav report said the score indicates the Trump Organization “is very likely to default on its credit payments” and that “this will make it difficult to get financing.” It puts Trump’s Organization in a “medium-to-high risk” category.
If Trump owns millions of dollars in property, their value depends on the amount leveraged. From what I read; his overseas business empire is on the rise. Whether this means he has holdings in other countries which could be used as collateral, I do not know.
On the plus side for Trump's financial picture is his potential for the RNC nomination is great. His multiple other legal problems could negatively impact lenders approving his requests for financing.
Banks loaning millions of dollars to billionaires do not care about credit scores.
I didn't see or read the report you are talking about, but Trump is not going to have a problem getting a loan.
But the bigger issue is he shouldn't have to worry about partisan zealots trying to bankrupt him solely to keep him from winning the presidency. This lawfare is outrageous.
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Banks loaning millions of dollars to billionaires do not care about credit scores.
I didn't see or read the report you are talking about, but Trump is not going to have a problem getting a loan.
But the bigger issue is he shouldn't have to worry about partisan zealots trying to bankrupt him solely to keep him from winning the presidency. This lawfare is outrageous.
They are stalinists and communists at heart. They dont care whatsoever about wrecking every legal norm and tradition just to "get trump!"
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They are stalinists and communists at heart. They dont care whatsoever about wrecking every legal norm and tradition just to "get trump!"
They definitely have an ends justifies the means approach. It's psychotic.
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Banks loaning millions of dollars to billionaires do not care about credit scores.
I didn't see or read the report you are talking about, but Trump is not going to have a problem getting a loan.
But the bigger issue is he shouldn't have to worry about partisan zealots trying to bankrupt him solely to keep him from winning the presidency. This lawfare is outrageous.
Maybe you are right in that Trump will have no problem borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars from lenders and maybe you are not. Seems to me we should know soon enough. How much time does Trump have now to pay up?
Then there is this ABC News report from 2022. 'The Trump Organization used to borrow from major banks. Now look who's lending it money.
An examination of legal filings, internal documents and land records shows Axos Financial has a history of handling atypical loans.
Axos Financial, an obscure, internet-only institution based in San Diego and Las Vegas.'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-used-borrow-major-banks-now-look-lending-money-rcna22068
Trump 'needs a cash infusion to pay his mounting legal fines, but major U.S. banks remain skittish and his billionaire friends are silent.' Forbes - February 28, 2024.
"...due to his six bankruptcies and a long history of not paying bills, some major banks are understandably hesitant to loan to the former president, which has required him to go off the beaten path for post-presidential refinancing." Matt Stieb, Intelligencer staff writer, February 28, 2024.
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Banks loaning millions of dollars to billionaires do not care about credit scores.
I didn't see or read the report you are talking about, but Trump is not going to have a problem getting a loan.
But the bigger issue is he shouldn't have to worry about partisan zealots trying to bankrupt him solely to keep him from winning the presidency. This lawfare is outrageous.
Sickening. This Country is an embarrassment. Likely will need a good civil war to end this garbage!
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UPDATE: Sources Say Dirty New York Judge Arthur Engoron Hasn’t Gone Back to Equinox Gym Since James O’Keefe Exposed Pervy Behavior – Equinox Front Desk Received 23 Calls Before 5:30 AM This Morning and Gym Sent “URGENT” Text to Employees
Equinox gym is in total panic mode due to James O’Keefe’s recent reporting on footage of Judge Arthur Engoron perving on women at the Equinox location in Long Island, New York.
Arthur Engoron is the same far-left Judge who fleeced $355 million from President Trump for taking out loans in New York State and paying them back on time and with interest. The charges were brought against Trump by crazed New York State Attorney General Letitia James. There were no victims in the so-called crime. The banks did their due diligence before they loaned Donald Trump the money and testified they would gladly do it again.
Judge Engoron called Trump’s loan agreements a crime and ruled that President Donald Trump owed the state $355 million.
The Gateway Pundit reported on the video released by O’Keefe on Wednesday, where he spoke to Engoron in the gym and released footage of Engoron cornering a young woman and harassing her until she clearly gestured for him to leave her alone.
This is coupled with his revealing loose sweatpants. He should probably put on some underwear…
O’Keefe was then banned from the 107 worldwide Equinox locations, apparently for life, because of his reporting.
O’Keefe on Friday revealed from sources in Great Neck, a neighborhood in Long Island, New York, where the gym is located, “The Judge has not shown up at Equinox for 2 days now, and Phil at the front desk got 23 calls before 5:30am this morning.”
O’Keefe also revealed that Equnox sent an “URGENT” text message to employees, telling them to “IGNORE” what they refer to as “Phone calls coming in stating random things.” The text message also instructs employees to “not engage and do not talk to anyone concerning any club members.”
Equinox sent the following text to employees:
***URGENT***
https://x.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1762948071061618930?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g as a reminder we do not speak to media regarding any issues instances/situations or policies.
Phone calls coming in stating random things IGNORE say “Thank you for calling and have a great day.”
Do not engage and do not talk to anyone concerning any club members.
Also this is not a conversation to talk about at the front desk if some mentions anything “you have no idea what they are talking about and keep the conversation positive and moving”
Engoron is the same creep who recently came under scrutiny for posting half-naked photos of himself on an alumni newsletter he oversees.
The peculiar “BonusTorsoPhoto” showcased a malnourished torso, presumed to be his own, and left many questioning the appropriateness of such content in a school alumni newsletter.
The newsletter presented a before-and-after pictorial of the same torso, ostensibly to display physical improvements over time. These images, intended to flaunt muscle gains, instead cast a shadow of doubt over the judge’s judgment.
The Gateway Pundit also reported last week that the creepy pervert judge was caught by a defense attorney banging the secretary of opposing counsel during a previous case – a complete ethics violation.
According to reports, Judge Engoron has been married three times and has four children.
Arthur Engoron is no boy scout. He’s just a weirdo and a seemingly sexually deviant old man.
Watch O’Keefe’s undercover footage of Engoron below:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/update-sources-say-dirty-new-york-judge-arthur/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=update-sources-say-dirty-new-york-judge-arthur
https://x.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1763595596944843017?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
https://x.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1762948071061618930?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g
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Banks loaning millions of dollars to billionaires do not care about credit scores.
this would suggest they the banks are very cavalier with their depositors / bondholders money
but then they were ever
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How many banks have lined up to loan him money for his bond now? He must be having a hard time narrowing it down to one.
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How many banks have lined up to loan him money for his bond now? He must be having a hard time narrowing it down to one.
Spoken like a true peasant!
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this would suggest they the banks are very cavalier with their depositors / bondholders money
but then they were ever
No, it suggests that banks rely on income, debt, net worth, and securable assets.
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Income from all sources.
The borrower's debt.
Net worth is very reliable.
Secured loans are the easiest and most secure loans banks can make.