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TIA. Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.
Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.
Have been cruising on trt for 3 years. Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.
Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based. I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?
Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?
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Where do you stand on the bhanks question?
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reduced calories....
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I would perhaps look into taking minox orally. Haven't done it myself but from what I've read it seems interesting.
Regarding the gear, I haven't read up on the safest wrt hair, but have noted that the opinions are all over the place.
Just one point: Mast is a DHT derivative. It does not necessarily mean it will behave exactly like DHT! That seems like common sense to me, right?
Why not just run what you did before? "Water" isn't a problem if you are very lean.
What you dud before was imo much more effective that what you're proposing. Then just run "hardeners" a couple of weeks before you wan't to look your best, if at all. Like just drop everything and do 2 weeks of Winstrol and Mast, the test will keep working for like 3 weeks anyway. That kind of thing.
Finasteride doesn't inactivate the Mast, it isn't a blocker to my knowledge, it just reduced DHT from test.
JMO 8)
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TIA. Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.
Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.
Have been cruising on trt for 3 years. Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.
Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based. I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?
Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?
Hi Danimal77
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I thought this thread was about when it's best to cut your hair.
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I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?
Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...
Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...
thanks in advance for all serious replies!..
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I thought this thread was about when it's best to cut your hair.
Agreed.
Realistically the only time you should cut your hair is for professional photo shoots, military enlistment and/or high society business functions where longer unkempt hair is frowned upon. Otherwise a haircut is not needed.
Great question by danimal77. Please update us with bodybuilding weights and heights at your earliest convenience.
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I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?
Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...
Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...
thanks in advance for all serious replies!..
Being overweight lowers your natural test levels and increases estrogen.
So, drop the weight. You should be around 190 at the most.
If you do that you probably won't need TRT.
You are way too heavy for your height. Are you extremely muscular with good definition?
If not then you're bodyfat % is much higher than 20-22%.
Being overweight reduces life expectancy and increases your chances for metabolic syndromes like diabetes, hypertension, heart conditions, joint problems, and other things.
Taking TRT will reduce your nat test production to practically zero which is not good.
To drop the weight, cut out all processed foods and sugars, reduce your carbs. Lift weights to maintain muscle mass.
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I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?
Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...
Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...
thanks in advance for all serious replies!..
So they gave you 200 mgs a week for trt?
If they did and they test you total and free test range it's like 99% certain you will be out of range, so will they do a follow up blood test?
Out of range is a total test level of 850-900, 900+ is out of range and on 200 weekly you will be out of range
True real and actual trt is usually round 100-125 weekly
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Being overweight lowers your natural test levels and increases estrogen.
So, drop the weight. You should be around 190 at the most.
If you do that you probably won't need TRT.
You are way too heavy for your height. Are you extremely muscular with good definition?
If not then you're bodyfat % is much higher than 20-22%.
Being overweight reduces life expectancy and increases your chances for metabolic syndromes like diabetes, hypertension, heart conditions, joint problems, and other things.
Taking TRT will reduce your nat test production to practically zero which is not good.
To drop the weight, cut out all processed foods and sugars, reduce your carbs. Lift weights to maintain muscle mass.
Solid advice.
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Solid advice.
Thanks, BigRo.
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Yeah I don't think they gave Tom 200mg, he is likely reading it wrong. Though it's not impossible.
3 weeks is where you start to notice things. It starts working the minute you take it but the genomic effects take while to manifest.
He's debated this in his head for a decade and now he's asking if he should take even MORE test. 200mg would be a nice dose, a little supra, but why not, really feel it for the first time in your life :)
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How effective is the testosterone cream for TRT?
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How effective is the testosterone cream for TRT?
Up to 10% uptake. Just messy. Get over the needle phobia, everyone gets over it after the first shot.
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Forget all these drugs. Get healthy. Get lean by cardio and lifting. Hopefully you haven't permanently cut off your balls from making testosterone. I asked a MD endocrinologist what could be done to increase test. He said get lean.
It's insane how many bodybuilders suffer from low T. How is it a healthy activity if this is the result? We all know how they got there because of the recreational use of steroids. A healthy guy in his 40's and 50's should have zero need for testosterone supplementation.
Some bodybuilders claim to be on trt when they take more supplementation than any sane doc would prescribe because they want muscles. No such thing as a drug that that doesn't have risk and taking testosterone for month in and month out for years has it's risks.
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Many of these dipshits say they are on trt when they are not
If your total test levels are out of range you not on trt so get the fuck outta here with that shit
Even more idiotic is those that add another compound like mast, primo, or deca and still claim they are on trt😂😂😂
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Forget all these drugs. Get healthy. Get lean by cardio and lifting. Hopefully you haven't permanently cut off your balls from making testosterone. I asked a MD endocrinologist what could be done to increase test. He said get lean.
It's insane how many bodybuilders suffer from low T. How is it a healthy activity if this is the result? We all know how they got there because of the recreational use of steroids. A healthy guy in his 40's and 50's should have zero need for testosterone supplementation.
Some bodybuilders claim to be on trt when they take more supplementation than any sane doc would prescribe because they want muscles. No such thing as a drug that that doesn't have risk and taking testosterone for month in and month out for years has it's risks.
Being low can arguably also have risks. Cardiovascular and cognitive risks. Every drugs has risks of course, but sometimes you can kill yourself by not taking drugs as well. Today's drugs have extended lifespan overall imo.
And who cares about being normal when you be a little supranormal. You don't get points anywhere for being "natural." No one cares about your natural status. What do you win?
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Being low can arguably also have risks. Cardiovascular and cognitive risks. Every drugs has risks of course, but sometimes you can kill yourself by not taking drugs as well. Today's drugs have extended lifespan overall imo.
And who cares about being normal when you be a little supranormal. You don't get points anywhere for being "natural." No one cares about your natural status. What do you win?
What would you say is a true trt dose for most?
Broderick chavez said that trt first came about a long time ago and that the prescribed dose was 1 mg per kg
But it seems to be around 100 mgs per week but I guess for some it's only 50 mgs per week and that keeps them within mid to high allowed range
And seems like 125 is the true top end but lots of guys will test when its at it's lowest like let's say you inject once a week on Tuesday so then they test it on Monday which doesn't really show Thier true level
Guess if you microdosed every single day then you wouldn't be able to cheat the system
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What would you say is a true trt dose for most?
Broderick chavez said that trt first came about a long time ago and that the prescribed dose was 1 mg per kg
But it seems to be around 100 mgs per week but I guess for some it's only 50 mgs per week and that keeps them within mid to high allowed range
And seems like 125 is the true top end but lots of guys will test when its at it's lowest like let's say you inject once a week on Tuesday so then they test it on Monday which doesn't really show Thier true level
Guess if you microdosed every single day then you wouldn't be able to cheat the system
From what I've read there can be quite a diffrence in drug metabolism in some. So hard to say for sure, it's not really natural anyway because the levels do not rise and fall normally. I think people can maybe handle slightly supra levels fine, maybe there are other benefits not related to muscle growth when you are "high."
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So they gave you 200 mgs a week for trt?
If they did and they test you total and free test range it's like 99% certain you will be out of range, so will they do a follow up blood test?
Out of range is a total test level of 850-900, 900+ is out of range and on 200 weekly you will be out of range
True real and actual trt is usually round 100-125 weekly
STFU you have no idea what you are talking about. 200-300mg is a standard TRT dosage it will put you right where you need to be.
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I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?
Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...
Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...
thanks in advance for all serious replies!..
Honestly I would bump it up a little higher at least 300mg their is no danger from taking a little but more. You wont feel anything or make much progress for a couple weeks. But 200mg should be ok dont add anything else see how that goes for 8-12 weeks first. If you are not making progress up the dosage to 300mg and go another 8-12 weeks. The other stuff wont do much but nice to have in theory B12 is great I take it on occasion same with DHEA but the test is what is going to make the real change.
So you have your hormones covered now figure out your diet and training proper use an app and start tracking your calories and macros get as much protein and as few calories as possible. Lose the weight slowly no rush focus on getting stronger through lifting and your bodyfat will take care of itself if you just cut the junk and alcohol.
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From what I've read there can be quite a diffrence in drug metabolism in some. So hard to say for sure, it's not really natural anyway because the levels do not rise and fall normally. I think people can maybe handle slightly supra levels fine, maybe there are other benefits not related to muscle growth when you are "high."
Kurt havens recently said that you need at least a level of 1400 to get any muscle building benefits and they did a study on 100 and 300 mgs of test and deca and the only one that didn't build any muscle was 100 mgs of test
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THANKS EVERYONE, for replies to my post....
I stand corrected my prescription for test cream is ONLY 100mg per week, with 2 clicks from the container every day on my balls.(they sent me 2 boxes, 100 mg each, so that was my initial confusion)....
As I said they also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA per day??
I'm thinking about adding 300 to 500 mg a day of Ashwaganda for muscle building and better sleep/recovery?
Van_Bilderass, you mentioned that at my height I should only weigh 190 pounds? Doesn't a person's build and structure have sometime to do with this? If I lost 45 pounds I would be DEAD!..Bodyfat too high, but i DO NOT drink, smoke and I eat pretty healthy as is.
The clinic did/does make you/me sign a form saying I will not seek testosterone in any other form or additional prescription drugs with my Test Cream and other demands.....
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THANKS EVERYONE, for replies to my post....
I stand corrected my prescription for test cream is ONLY 100mg per week, with 2 clicks from the container every day on my balls.(they sent me 2 boxes, 100 mg each, so that was my initial confusion)....
As I said they also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA per day??
I'm thinking about adding 300 to 500 mg a day of Ashwaganda for muscle building and better sleep/recovery?
Van_Bilderass, you mentioned that at my height I should only weigh 190 pounds? Doesn't a person's build and structure have sometime to do with this? If I lost 45 pounds I would be DEAD!..Bodyfat too high, but i DO NOT drink, smoke and I eat pretty healthy as is.
The clinic did/does make you/me sign a form saying I will not seek testosterone in any other form or additional prescription drugs with my Test Cream and other demands.....
My buddy started on the cream it didn't do much for him so he switched to the injections. 100mg isn't going to do a whole lot regarldess. To give you an idea I cruise around 3-400mg year round with no other anabolics I do take HGH but that is anti aging it's not building any muscle. I am also 215lbs and below 10%.
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THANKS EVERYONE, for replies to my post....
I stand corrected my prescription for test cream is ONLY 100mg per week, with 2 clicks from the container every day on my balls.(they sent me 2 boxes, 100 mg each, so that was my initial confusion)....
As I said they also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA per day??
I'm thinking about adding 300 to 500 mg a day of Ashwaganda for muscle building and better sleep/recovery?
Van_Bilderass, you mentioned that at my height I should only weigh 190 pounds? Doesn't a person's build and structure have sometime to do with this? If I lost 45 pounds I would be DEAD!..Bodyfat too high, but i DO NOT drink, smoke and I eat pretty healthy as is.
The clinic did/does make you/me sign a form saying I will not seek testosterone in any other form or additional prescription drugs with my Test Cream and other demands.....
I said it.
Unless you are a true mesomorph you are carrying a lot of fat.
You weigh as much as an NFL linebacker who is 6"2.
High bodyfat drops your test.
5'11" and 190 is very solid but you weigh 45 lbs more than that at age 59 and natty?
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I would be happy if I was 5'10 and weighed I don't know somewhere between 200 to 220 with bodyfat in the teens, if possible...
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Oh, I totally missed that this was with cream. So if you put on 100mg MAYBE you could get 10mg a day penetration, if you put it on your nuts (much higher uptake on scrotal skin lol). I have a feeling you might come up low still next testing. Best additional supplement would be gh peptides or GH itself. The peptides are really innocuous, just boosts your own GH. You don't even have to think about it, just try it and see if you notice anything. But I know you won't. Melatonin might be helpful too. For sleep, a tiny bit more GH. Ashwagandha is nice but it's so mild most probably wouldn't notice it but it does do something, I've used a lot of it. It's not out of the question that if you don't get much response from the cream, and many don't, you might try the inject?
I didn't say anything about your weight I don't think ???
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STFU you have no idea what you are talking about. 200-300mg is a standard TRT dosage it will put you right where you need to be.
Go fuck yourself shitstain
True trt is 75-125 or even 1 mg per kilo
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Van_Bilderass...
I"m ignorant about GH peptides and actual GH...
I'm guessing actual GH is a prescription only or you get it from someone, "cough cough" somewhere else? And is actual GH (in what form?) expensive?
GH peptides are a supplement you can get anywhere?...
Doesn't actual GH cause your head and organs to grow? Or is that only if you are taking MASSIVE amounts like a pro bber?.....
I've only been on the TEST cream for 22 days as of today...My next appointment and blood draw I believe is in July sometime?
I do wonder if my TEST is still not improved would this clinic up the dosage or say you know sorry we can't give you more (by law or their practice rules?).... I forgot to ask them, what is the GOAL of test levels with this test cream? Where do they want me to be?...
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Van_Bilderass...
I"m ignorant about GH peptides and actual GH...
I'm guessing actual GH is a prescription only or you get it from someone, "cough cough" somewhere else? And is actual GH (in what form?) expensive?
GH peptides are a supplement you can get anywhere?...
Doesn't actual GH cause your head and organs to grow? Or is that only if you are taking MASSIVE amounts like a pro bber?.....
I've only been on the TEST cream for 22 days as of today...My next appointment and blood draw I believe is in July sometime?
I do wonder if my TEST is still not improved would this clinic up the dosage or say you know sorry we can't give you more (by law or their practice rules?).... I forgot to ask them, what is the GOAL of test levels with this test cream? Where do they want me to be?...
A TRT clinic will also sell HGH there is no limit on how much HGH they can prescribe unlike Test. They will sell you as much HGH as you can afford. You should want to be over 1000 there goal for you is probably 500-600 they can prescribe you up to about 3-400mg a week that is it. They will switch you to injections if you say the cream isn't doing it. It is not just your tested levels but how you feel that matters.
Titan also has all the HGH precursor peptides they will sell you they are certainly cheaper than actual hgh. They cater to bodybuilders and advertise at all the big shows. I would recommend them over a standard clinic catering to old men
https://titanmedicalcenter.com/
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A TRT clinic will also sell HGH there is no limit on how much HGH they can prescribe unlike Test. They will sell you as much HGH as you can afford. You should want to be over 1000 there goal for you is probably 500-600 they can prescribe you up to about 3-400mg a week that is it. They will switch you to injections if you say the cream isn't doing it. It is not just your tested levels but how you feel that matters.
Titan also has all the HGH precursor peptides they will sell you they are certainly cheaper than actual hgh. They cater to bodybuilders and advertise at all the big shows. I would recommend them over a standard clinic catering to old men
https://titanmedicalcenter.com/
Any reputable clinic wont do that, you always go to dodgy underground labs that get shut down
Shut the fuck up Brian
Tests include direct measurement of your HGH as well as indirect tests. Indirect tests help tell us about other factors that may be influencing your HGH production. This evaluation method allows us to tailor the perfect treatment protocol to your unique profile.
Once the ideal treatment is laid out from your physician, we will continue to follow up and monitor your progress. While on HGH we want to ensure necessary adjustments are made to reduce any risks and improve outcomes based upon routine lab work. Your lab work will include:
Cholesterol
Blood Glucose
Insulin
Bone Density
Your follow-up appointments allow us to provide you with the best outcomes possible. You will work directly with the Ehormones MD team to ensure you are not left in the dark. Ehormones MD Los Angeles will work with you to get the required tests and appointments scheduled throughout your treatment with us.
https://ehormones.com/los-angeles-hormone-replacement-therapy-hrt/
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Tom I probably shouldn't have mentioned the GH, it's pretty straightforward but you take years to take the plunge on anything. :D
See if you notice anything on the cream. Lots of people tire of slapping it on everday, or is it twice a day, and it's not well absorbed always.
Titan is I think the one Mel Chancey the former Hell's Angels president, is associated with. They are brazen imo but they've been allowed to operate openly for so long, must have some protection from the top so to speak :D
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Interesting how many getbiggers think they would be dead if they dropped to 190 lbs at 5'10".
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Interesting how many getbiggers think they would be dead if they dropped to 190 lbs at 5'10".
Not to mention 5'10.75".
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Interesting how many getbiggers think they would be dead if they dropped to 190 lbs at 5'10".
It is physically impossible for Hanky to weigh less than 200 lbs.
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Thanks to all who are responding to my posts and questions....
1) I just looked into my men's clinic and they do NOT sell any GH products of any kind....
2) I only have to put the TEST cream on me once a day, on the balls, so no issue with that.
3) I checked into the TITAN clinic and the website link given, and I did NOT see any GH real or peptides being sold there or information on their site?
4) God knows, no general practioner doctor will prescribe me or anyone with prescription GH! Is GH the real stuff a "controlled substance"? Should I just for the beginning time being start off with GH peptide supplement of some sort?
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Interesting how many getbiggers think they would be dead if they dropped to 190 lbs at 5'10".
The great serge Nubret was 200 at 6 foot but yeah his chest and arms were tiny
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Thanks to all who are responding to my posts and questions....
1) I just looked into my men's clinic and they do NOT sell any GH products of any kind....
2) I only have to put the TEST cream on me once a day, on the balls, so no issue with that.
3) I checked into the TITAN clinic and the website link given, and I did NOT see any GH real or peptides being sold there or information on their site?
4) God knows, no general practioner doctor will prescribe me or anyone with prescription GH! Is GH the real stuff a "controlled substance"? Should I just for the beginning time being start off with GH peptide supplement of some sort?
I'll humor you with some opinion. GH is sought after because it's supposed to improve skin, make it thicker, make you heal faster, sleep better, improve immunity, which in theory could stop some cancers even developing. It will nit build any measurable muscle you see on the scale but you may feel everything is just a little better, recovery and so on.
GP don't prescribe it because the law is unclear. Authorities have completely let off the reins, don't know the classification but who cares if you have a a script.
There are hundreds of websites who sell these GH peptides openly. A gray area. But since you are a hypochondriac it's better to just forget it for now. If you fall in love with the test buy a tiny dose of GH from a clinic with an Rx and see. The GH peptides you don't need a script for though but you are playing with needles several times a day. There's nothing to it but may be annoying over time
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thanks van_bilderass for your educated experience comments...
I was thinking aren't there GH peptides or just peptides supplements? Are they worthless, don't do anything?....
What are your thoughts on HUMANOFORT? I get alot of messages on my facebook page about it?
So as it is, I'm on the 100mg of test, 25 mg of DHEA, the nitric oxide (not sure why this?), and I take HMB, creatine, glutamine, multivitamin, extra Vitamin D and B12 and of course protein....
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My buddy started on the cream it didn't do much for him so he switched to the injections. 100mg isn't going to do a whole lot regarldess. To give you an idea I cruise around 3-400mg year round with no other anabolics I do take HGH but that is anti aging it's not building any muscle. I am also 215lbs and below 10%.
Tell him how big your cock is too Bhanks.
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Just saying the guy wants to be 215lbs and below 10% bodyfat. I am the only one responding who fits that description. 100mg of ball cream is not going to do it.
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Interesting how many getbiggers think they would be dead if they dropped to 190 lbs at 5'10".
"Medically too lean"
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thanks van_bilderass for your educated experience comments...
I was thinking aren't there GH peptides or just peptides supplements? Are they worthless, don't do anything?....
What are your thoughts on HUMANOFORT? I get alot of messages on my facebook page about it?
So as it is, I'm on the 100mg of test, 25 mg of DHEA, the nitric oxide (not sure why this?), and I take HMB, creatine, glutamine, multivitamin, extra Vitamin D and B12 and of course protein....
Nitric Oxide doesn't refer to any specific product, well it dies but it's not pure NO. I suspect it's some type of supplement designed to increase NO. NO is for erections. What you want is Cialis if it's a "problem" for you, or even if it isn't...
Humanofort is a Romanian chicken egg extract, which is claimed to do a bunch of things. Some users claim effects. I'm skeptical but try it if you have cash to experiment
The peptides I'm talking about are injectables, many or most "clinics" sell them, most likely this is not something for you at this time right? Your place might not be completely old-school though, if they immediately put you on DHEA, that's not really "proven"
Just do the cream and if you're not satisfiend in the future they'll switch you to injections no problem. These "orthodox" places just want to try the creams first for various reasons
That you're willing to touch testosterone at all is big lol
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Thanks again Van_bilderass and Bhanks for your education and experience in your comments..
1) Nitric Oxide, well I don't have a problem "getting it up" so i'm not quite sure why they prescribed these pills to me (2 a day one morning, one night on a empty stomach) but I did think that NO products are used pre and post workouts for blood pumping into the muscle? Don't know if this is just a temporary surge and pointless to use?
2) I was told the TEST cream is simply easier to do myself at home everyday as opposed to getting TEST injections? I was under the impression that the injections would be once a week at the clinic and inconvenient when I could just use the TEST cream at home everyday? The injections are cypionate, not sure what KIND of TEST is in the cream, but supposedly each is 100 mg of whatever TEST, one not more than the other...They did really push the cream, and injections and needles given to me at home was never mentioned.
3) If I wanted to stay with the cream, I don't think they would even make a cream that has more (i.e. 300 to 400 mg of TEST) nor would this clinic give it to me anyway...
4)As far as HGH or Peptides, I guess I would have to go to a different clinic. I checked Peptides on Amazon, but they all look like "natural" peptides with collagen and just more vitamins in the mix?
5) I do know of (casual acquaintance) a local national competitor bber who also is a trainer, who i'm sure I could get said products from, because of course if he competes in national shows you know he's on the special supplement program!..
6) it will be interesting with my next appointment at this clinic if my TEST doesn't reach any much higher level, would they give me a higher does of the cream (I wonder if their 100 mg of test cream is standard for every man that has low test) or yes, go to the higher level of TEST with injections... Will see... Okay, sorry i'm rambling...
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Thanks again Van_bilderass and Bhanks for your education and experience in your comments..
1) Nitric Oxide, well I don't have a problem "getting it up" so i'm not quite sure why they prescribed these pills to me (2 a day one morning, one night on a empty stomach) but I did think that NO products are used pre and post workouts for blood pumping into the muscle? Don't know if this is just a temporary surge and pointless to use?
2) I was told the TEST cream is simply easier to do myself at home everyday as opposed to getting TEST injections? I was under the impression that the injections would be once a week at the clinic and inconvenient when I could just use the TEST cream at home everyday? The injections are cypionate, not sure what KIND of TEST is in the cream, but supposedly each is 100 mg of whatever TEST, one not more than the other...They did really push the cream, and injections and needles given to me at home was never mentioned.
You would do at home its not difficukt
3) If I wanted to stay with the cream, I don't think they would even make a cream that has more (i.e. 300 to 400 mg of TEST) nor would this clinic give it to me anyway...
You just use more an extra squirt not a higher concentration
4)As far as HGH or Peptides, I guess I would have to go to a different clinic. I checked Peptides on Amazon, but they all look like "natural" peptides with collagen and just more vitamins in the mix?
Just stick with test for a while you dont need to make this overly complicated
5) I do know of (casual acquaintance) a local national competitor bber who also is a trainer, who i'm sure I could get said products from, because of course if he competes in national shows you know he's on the special supplement program!..
Its a lot cheaper to just buy a bottle of test than paying clinics
6) it will be interesting with my next appointment at this clinic if my TEST doesn't reach any much higher level, would they give me a higher does of the cream (I wonder if their 100 mg of test cream is standard for every man that has low test) or yes, go to the higher level of TEST with injections... Will see... Okay, sorry i'm rambling...
They would just tell you to use more of the same cream rub it on your balls twice a day instead of once two squirts instead of 1 its not that complicated
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Just saying the guy wants to be 215lbs and below 10% bodyfat. I am the only one responding who fits that description. 100mg of ball cream is not going to do it.
Real show weight is 180lb for you
Dismissed Brian...
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Tom, the "100mg" of test doesn't say much about how high your levels get, it depends on how much of it penetrates through the skin. Injectables are more reliable and for example "100mg" says something about how much you're actually getting in you. You might only get say 7mg of test daily from the cream, it depends. Most people on TRT do the shots at home.
The peptides I'm talking about go by names such as Sermorelin, Ipamorelin and so on. If you google those terms + HRT you're immediately shown a ton of clinics. They are also easy to purchase without ever consulting any doctor, but then you are playing doctor yourself.
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Real show weight is 180lb for you
Dismissed Brian...
Well I won my last show 3 months ago at 215lbs on stage so there is that
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Well I won my last show 3 months ago at 215lbs so there is that
Yep, 35lb overweight
Jason Genova would have given you a run for 1st place
he destroys you on legs
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQO8bj53qF3waBFKb51WxXXGs5Vo-XM6-zuJg&s)
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Yep, 35lb overweight
Jason Genova would have given you a run for 1st place
he destroys you on legs
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQO8bj53qF3waBFKb51WxXXGs5Vo-XM6-zuJg&s)
If you say so. What show did he win?
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the Charlotte cup
he found a division with a load of dogshit in it
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the Charlotte cup
he found a division with a load of dogshit in it
Really what year did he win can I look up the results on NPC News Online?
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its right next to your boxing record mate! and your school fight record.
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If you say so. What show did he win?
He won the Ruby Classic 4 times, hes an IFBB pro
https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2017/npc_sunshine_classic/4j8m/jason_genova
https://www.instagram.com/ifbbpro_jasongenova_official/
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If you rub your balls long enough good things will happen.
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He won the Ruby Classic 4 times, hes an IFBB pro
https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2017/npc_sunshine_classic/4j8m/jason_genova
https://www.instagram.com/ifbbpro_jasongenova_official/
Yeah he took 5th out of 5 as a light heavy at 25% bodyfat not exactly the same thing
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Yeah he took 5th out of 5 not exactly the same thing
Didnt you place 5th out of 5 at the Excalibur classic?
https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2021/npc_south_carolina_excalibur
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Didnt you place 5th out of 5 at the Excalibur classic?
https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2021/npc_south_carolina_excalibur
No 3 out of 4 in the open division you keep saying I was last when you can clearly see that isn't true
No one else finds it strange my online pics have changed yet again for the excallibar? Who did the pic selection? Does someone on getbig know this guy we even saw the numbers were out of order unlike everyone else last time. Is the same person just putting up the worst pics of me deliberately on npc news?
I did 3 classes of mandatories yet somehow they have 6 pics of me online and 4 of them are me looking away not posing at all?
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No 3 out of 4 in the open division you keep saying I was last when you can clearly see that isn't true
you looked real dogs hit in the excalubur
why is it the photographers at the shows can never make you look better like you do in your non-doctored photos Brian?
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No 3 out of 4 in the open division you keep saying I was last when you can clearly see that isn't true
No one else finds it strange my online pics have changed yet again for the excallibar? Who did the pic selection? Does someone on getbig know this guy we even saw the numbers were out of order unlike everyone else last time. Is the same person just putting up the worst pics of me deliberately on npc news?
Novice heavyweight 3rd (last)
Masters over 40 1st over Charles Arena (reality is Charles won, you know it and everyone else knows it)
You just squeaked past this guy and got 3rd of 4
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417519.jpg)
You competed against 7 guys and you just scraped past one of them.
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No 3 out of 4 in the open division you keep saying I was last when you can clearly see that isn't true
No one else finds it strange my online pics have changed yet again for the excallibar? Who did the pic selection? Does someone on getbig know this guy we even saw the numbers were out of order unlike everyone else last time. Is the same person just putting up the worst pics of me deliberately on npc news?
I did 3 classes of mandatories yet somehow they have 6 pics of me online and 4 of them are me looking away not posing at all?
Maybe the photographer couldnt be arsed wasting memory on his camera.
If you look they only took 6 pics or so of all of you
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hey, I won the Charlotte Cup, Im the Champion
thats great Brian, do you have any photos?
Yes, here look at these
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/cfskn2Ozn7j9K/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952g4g2g084qu9uyh7ngdc6t2b6ejv0zbqn5vykuujw&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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Primo is not hair safe.
It acts like an aromatase inhibitor in most guys lowering estrogen.
Low estrogen will kill your hair.
Not knowing this, I ran 600 test 500 primo for a while last year and my hair stopped growing.
I knew my estrogen was low bc my sex drive went down to just average.
Masteron acts like a serm, doesn’t lower estrogen just blocks effects at the receptor, so should be hair safe IF YOUR ESTROGEN IS NORMAL RANGE.
Now I am on 600 test 800 mast and 62.5 primo. No AI except primo.
Hopefully will have good news to report about hair. Waiting on labs.
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Primo is not hair safe.
It acts like an aromatase inhibitor in most guys lowering estrogen.
Low estrogen will kill your hair.
Not knowing this, I ran 600 test 500 primo for a while last year and my hair stopped growing.
I knew my estrogen was low bc my sex drive went down to just average.
Masteron acts like a serm, doesn’t lower estrogen just blocks effects at the receptor, so should be hair safe IF YOUR ESTROGEN IS NORMAL RANGE.
Now I am on 600 test 800 mast and 62.5 primo. No AI except primo.
Hopefully will have good news to report about hair. Waiting on labs.
I speak for the board when I tell you that we'll collectively be waiting with bated breath.
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I speak for the board when I tell you that we'll collectively be waiting with bated breath.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/09/b2/7009b2908564a538bc57c79cae68eb81.gif)
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I speak for the board when I tell you that we'll collectively be waiting with bated breath.
;D
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Primo is not hair safe.
It acts like an aromatase inhibitor in most guys lowering estrogen.
Low estrogen will kill your hair.
Not knowing this, I ran 600 test 500 primo for a while last year and my hair stopped growing.
I knew my estrogen was low bc my sex drive went down to just average.
Masteron acts like a serm, doesn’t lower estrogen just blocks effects at the receptor, so should be hair safe IF YOUR ESTROGEN IS NORMAL RANGE.
Now I am on 600 test 800 mast and 62.5 primo. No AI except primo.
Hopefully will have good news to report about hair. Waiting on labs.
I think you’re playing with fire, I’ve known people that had no issues with high doses of test or tren that started shedding when they tried masteron. Like, grab your hair and pull out 50-100 strands type shedding.
The only hair safe cycle is test+finasteride/dutasteride. Add gh if desired.
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you looked real dogs hit in the excalubur
why is it the photographers at the shows can never make you look better like you do in your non-doctored photos Brian?
No I didn't it's like someone deliberately put up the worst pics they could find
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Novice heavyweight 3rd (last)
Masters over 40 1st over Charles Arena (reality is Charles won, you know it and everyone else knows it)
You just squeaked past this guy and got 3rd of 4
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417519.jpg)
You competed against 7 guys and you just scraped past one of them.
The same guy won the novice and the open dummy
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Maybe the photographer couldnt be arsed wasting memory on his camera.
If you look they only took 6 pics or so of all of you
Those are not the same pics that were originally up they have changed the selection more than once and 4 of them are the exact same pic of me not flexing looking away
Someone from getbig has been talking to someone from NPCNEWSONLINE
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Primo is not hair safe.
It acts like an aromatase inhibitor in most guys lowering estrogen.
Low estrogen will kill your hair.
Not knowing this, I ran 600 test 500 primo for a while last year and my hair stopped growing.
I knew my estrogen was low bc my sex drive went down to just average.
Masteron acts like a serm, doesn’t lower estrogen just blocks effects at the receptor, so should be hair safe IF YOUR ESTROGEN IS NORMAL RANGE.
Now I am on 600 test 800 mast and 62.5 primo. No AI except primo.
Hopefully will have good news to report about hair. Waiting on labs.
You got that info from doc Todd lee and his crew right?
He says never run primo higher than test because it will crash your estrogen, and he says to run it one to one at most which you nearly did and it still crashed your estrogen so thanks for.sharing this info brosef
He also recently said that if you use deca run it with zero test
Vigorous Steve will be dropping a deep dive on deca real soon
Watched a vid on a classic physique BB and he will be running 400 test and 800 primo so that will probably crush his estrogen but maybe his genetics will allow him to do so without crushing his estrogen
So you are using 62.5 primo as an ai?
And a gram and a half of gear is a decent sized cycle
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You got that info from doc Todd lee and his crew right?
He says never run primo higher than test because it will crash your estrogen, and he says to run it one to one at most which you nearly did and it still crashed your estrogen so thanks for.sharing this info brosef
He also recently said that if you use deca run it with zero test
Vigorous Steve will be dropping a deep dive on deca real soon
Watched a vid on a classic physique BB and he will be running 400 test and 800 primo so that will probably crush his estrogen but maybe his genetics will allow him to do so without crushing his estrogen
So you are using 62.5 primo as an ai?
And a gram and a half of gear is a decent sized cycle
You know you could read primary sources instead of listening to Youtube videos try a book
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No I didn't it's like someone deliberately put up the worst pics they could find
this is an example of a shit pic right?
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Yep, 35lb overweight
Jason Genova would have given you a run for 1st place
he destroys you on legs
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQO8bj53qF3waBFKb51WxXXGs5Vo-XM6-zuJg&s)
To be fair his legs destroy you as well. Your legs are smaller than mine. I have titanium bolts in my knees what is your excuse?
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Brian oyu have the legs of a polio victim
Jeff destroys you
again
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Brian oyu have the legs of a polio victim
Jeff destroys you
again
I agree my legs are not my strongest asset however Jeffs are in fact worse
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your legs are dogshit
Jef's are diced and in proportion with his x-frame
sorry Brian you are owned
and without telling tales Jeff pre-con takes less than you do for trt. some people have it you don't
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I think you’re playing with fire, I’ve known people that had no issues with high doses of test or tren that started shedding when they tried masteron. Like, grab your hair and pull out 50-100 strands type shedding.
The only hair safe cycle is test+finasteride/dutasteride. Add gh if desired.
You could be right. I like the look from mast but I feel like my hair brush has been getting full FAST on it. I do have long hair like Thor but the past week I’ve gotten paranoid about shedding and my temples receding.
I should take pics, I’m really losing my mind.
I’ve read amazing things about RU55841 but also horror stories about cardiopulmonary side effects including a guy on reddit diagnosed with pericarditis.
I’m not competitive, why do this when I know test/gh would be good enough?
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Well, I've been thinking this (Van_Bilderass)... since i'm only getting 100 mg of TEST with my TEST Cream...I've been taking the cream daily for roughly a month now and I personally don't feel anything different....
Maybe I should cheat? What I mean is instead of the 2 pumps of the cream, only use 1 pump, so next month when I go in to get my blood drawn, they will see my TEST levels haven't changed much and they'll prescripe me MORE TEST in the TEST Cream. Now how much I don't know? Are we talking 150? 200?250? 300? mg of TEST in a cream?....
I want to build muscle, (don't know how much TEST I would need to take nor how much this Clinic could or would give?), so unless or until the day I get my TEST from some qualified person or experienced with special supplements bodybuilder, this is the thing to do?....
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Primo is also a dHt derivative and I’ve heard plent of guys say it causes shedding.
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You got that info from doc Todd lee and his crew right?
He says never run primo higher than test because it will crash your estrogen, and he says to run it one to one at most which you nearly did and it still crashed your estrogen so thanks for.sharing this info brosef
He also recently said that if you use deca run it with zero test
Vigorous Steve will be dropping a deep dive on deca real soon
Watched a vid on a classic physique BB and he will be running 400 test and 800 primo so that will probably crush his estrogen but maybe his genetics will allow him to do so without crushing his estrogen
So you are using 62.5 primo as an ai?
And a gram and a half of gear is a decent sized cycle
Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.
My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?
I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800
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Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.
My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?
I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800
I don't check my estradiol so haven't looked into it but they say there are 2 methods of analysis for estradiol and you want the "women's highly sensitive test" instad of something called "ELISA" or something like that. The "regular" test is said to be highly inaccurate. Do you know about this?
I'm more in the camp of letting estrogen free if no obvious sides.
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“Hair Safe”. Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.
I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.
Gear doesn’t “cut”. Just eat clean, go for a walk every day, avoid sugar and hit the weights. A mild Clen cycle if anything.
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Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.
My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?
I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800
42 is a good estrogen level
Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range
Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh
He says primo is an AI and mast is a week
Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?
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42 is a good estrogen level
Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range
Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh
He says primo is an AI and mast is a week
Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?
is Doc still friends with Nurse cotton?
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I would perhaps look into taking minox orally. Haven't done it myself but from what I've read it seems interesting.
Regarding the gear, I haven't read up on the safest wrt hair, but have noted that the opinions are all over the place.
Just one point: Mast is a DHT derivative. It does not necessarily mean it will behave exactly like DHT! That seems like common sense to me, right?
Why not just run what you did before? "Water" isn't a problem if you are very lean.
What you dud before was imo much more effective that what you're proposing. Then just run "hardeners" a couple of weeks before you wan't to look your best, if at all. Like just drop everything and do 2 weeks of Winstrol and Mast, the test will keep working for like 3 weeks anyway. That kind of thing.
Finasteride doesn't inactivate the Mast, it isn't a blocker to my knowledge, it just reduced DHT from test.
JMO 8)
That tree is wrong, primo cannot be a dht derivative as it doesn’t shed hair but I’ve never gone above 300 test 400 primo and 5iu gh e while running primo
Regardless of what the freak dj6969 above me, says, I really think you should come off finasteride as I took it and it’s not good bro
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“Hair Safe”. Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.
I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.
Gear doesn’t “cut”. Just eat clean, go for a walk every day, avoid sugar and hit the weights. A mild Clen cycle if anything.
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Spitting facts
And yes van_bilderfaggit and dj are the same person
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42 is a good estrogen level
Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range
Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh
He says primo is an AI and mast is a week
Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?
600 test 800 mast 62.5 primo
I don’t have baseline labs before the current 42 estradiol
Will phase out the primo and see how I react to higher estrogen for my hair
Will consider dropping mast as well in a couple weeks and maybe starting ultra low dose dutasteride 0.5mg every 10-15 days
Then probably begin a gain phase with test and ???eq??? Considering I don’t want the suppressive nature of nandrolone given I want a family in years coming
Cycling gets simpler when you prioritize things that actually matter in your life!
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600 test 800 mast 62.5 primo
I don’t have baseline labs before the current 42 estradiol
Will phase out the primo and see how I react to higher estrogen for my hair
Will consider dropping mast as well in a couple weeks and maybe starting ultra low dose dutasteride 0.5mg every 10-15 days
Then probably begin a gain phase with test and ???eq??? Considering I don’t want the suppressive nature of nandrolone given I want a family in years coming
Cycling gets simpler when you prioritize things that actually matter in your life!
Wow! 600 test and 42 estro but did you know that mast also is an ai for some same with eq?
This primo, eq and mast being an ai isn't across the board and it seems to vary from individual to individual
Just watched a podcast with Broderick chavez and he said when he had his best lifts in powerlifting comps he ran 300 test and 3.5 grams of mast and he mast didn't touch his estrogen, again it varies by individual
Seems the only injects which have no potential to lower estrogen are the 19 nors and deca is supposed to be the most hair safe compound
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Wow! 600 test and 42 estro but did you know that mast also is an ai for some same with eq?
This primo, eq and mast being an ai isn't across the board and it seems to vary from individual to individual
Just watched a podcast with Broderick chavez and he said when he had his best lifts in powerlifting comps he ran 300 test and 3.5 grams of mast and he mast didn't touch his estrogen, again it varies by individual
Seems the only injects which have no potential to lower estrogen are the 19 nors and deca is supposed to be the most hair safe compound
You remind me of the guy from The Hills Have Eyes.
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You remind me of the guy from The Hills Have Eyes.
Meanwhile I'll just keep on looking better and better
Bigger arms delts and chest with a smaller and tighter waist
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“Hair Safe”. Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.
I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.
It’s not a binary, hair loss can be accelerated or slowed.
This made me lol though
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If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?
(https://www.trulyhuge.com/1980s-bodybuilding.jpg)
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If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?
(https://www.trulyhuge.com/1980s-bodybuilding.jpg)
some people are not prone to male pattern baldness. The four people with receding hairlines clearly are.
Are you suggesting that androgens such as testosterone do not accelerate hair loss in those people who are susceptible to it?
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some people are not prone to male pattern baldness. The four people with receding hairlines clearly are.
Are you suggesting that androgens such as testosterone do not accelerate hair loss in those people who are susceptible to it?
Im saying if you are going to go bald you will go bald regardless of drug use.
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If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?
(https://www.trulyhuge.com/1980s-bodybuilding.jpg)
Two of them are wearing toupées.
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TIA. Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.
Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.
Have been cruising on trt for 3 years. Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.
Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based. I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?
Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?
Have you tried any SARM's?
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It’s not a binary, hair loss can be accelerated or slowed.
Totally agree. My hair brush now gets full every 2 days so pulling the plug on mast. I doubt dropping the 62.5 primo will have a drastic effect so I will use the remaining test/mast mix but slightly bump the test and shoot eod to increase test to mast ratio.
Maybe 600 test 400 mast for the next 3 weeks if I can work out the math, then the mast will be done.
I’ll start low dose oral dutasteride and then test eq into a bulk, redraw labs to see how my estrogen reacts to eq.
There is no one size fits all for AAS. Labs are imperative, so is your own response, so are your own goals and own priorities.
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Meanwhile I'll just keep on looking better and better
Bigger arms delts and chest with a smaller and tighter waist
How big are your hips? You claim a 28 inch waist you think you are going to diet down to 27, 26? You don't think there is a limit? Also how do you propose you are going to get bigger and smaller at the same time? You are 157lbs with 15.25 inch arms when are you going to get bigger?
What did you eat yesterday? I guarantee it was starvation rations
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How big are your hips? You claim a 28 inch waist you think you are going to diet down to 27, 26? You don't think there is a limit? Also how do you propose you are going to get bigger and smaller at the same time? You are 157lbs with 15.25 inch arms when are you going to get bigger?
What did you eat yesterday? I guarantee it was starvation rations
It's called recomp
Lose fat while gaining muscle
Basically go from 6% to 4% which is like losing 2 or at max 3 pounds of fat, and by the way 1 pound of fat takes up a decent amount of space
So I could maybe lose about one more inch from my waist but 27 is the lowest I'll go, it 28 1/4 now
Yesterday I and 1.5 liters of milk and a scoop of protein powder and half and orange for breakfast
For lunch I had a double quarter pounder with cheese fries and a cola
For dinner I had shrimp rice and peas and a can of tuna with some cheese sauce
Total cals bout 3000
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Nandrolone derivatives are the best for hair safety according to Derek
anavar is not that safe according to him I guess because all DHT derivatives are bad really
But I goess if you really serious about fighting hairloss you should take the proven Finasteride aswell as topical minoxodil. Personally I try to avoid ED issues so I stay far away from fina
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I am however considering topical finasteride. To not get as much systemic effect on DHT, but local.
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I am however considering topical finasteride. To not get as much systemic effect on DHT, but local.
I've been using topical finasteride for about 2 weeks now, so far no side effects.
It's mixed in with minoxidil 5% liquid.
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I am however considering topical finasteride. To not get as much systemic effect on DHT, but local.
If you haven't seen... take a look. Ships from Sweden.
https://mv-supplements.com/
Nizoral (Fungoral in Sweden) shampoo is another supposed local DHT killer.
From what I've seen online there's not much agreement by "experts" on which steroids are hair safe or not. But people automatically think a "DHT derivative" is the exact same thing as DHT, which I'm sure it's not. Some actually insist Masteron is pretty hair safe. I don't know, just saying I've seen the argumant Plus hair loss is supposed to be multifactorial anyway, and I think I've seen other hormones implicated as well.
I haven't looked for it but I'd like to try the oral minoxidil for a thicker beard perhaps. I don't know if it's easy to get. Check it out:
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-most-effective-compound-for-hair-loss-oral-minoxidil-aka-oral-rogaine.177708/
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If you haven't seen... take a look. Ships from Sweden.
https://mv-supplements.com/
Nizoral (Fungoral in Sweden) shampoo is another supposed local DHT killer.
From what I've seen online there's not much agreement by "experts" on which steroids are hair safe or not. But people automatically think a "DHT derivative" is the exact same thing as DHT, which I'm sure it's not. Some actually insist Masteron is pretty hair safe. I don't know, just saying I've seen the argumant Plus hair loss is supposed to be multifactorial anyway, and I think I've seen other hormones implicated as well.
I haven't looked for it but I'd like to try the oral minoxidil for a thicker beard perhaps. I don't know if it's easy to get. Check it out:
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-most-effective-compound-for-hair-loss-oral-minoxidil-aka-oral-rogaine.177708/
really? maybe partly explains why i kept my hairline so well. Because Ive been using that(fungoral) for the past 5-6 years because I get dandruff easy. But also for the last 4 years I have been using rogain(topical minoxodil)
I read that oral minoxodil can have effects on your heart(don't remember what) but I don't want any more risks for my heart now. Although I am on high TRT and 20mg anavar which will increase my risk of heart issues.
and re. the DHT derivatives I have no idea how that works but obviously Derek is very well red on anything hairloss(he seems kind of obsessed with it, along with steroids) so he should know what he's talking about.
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If you haven't seen... take a look. Ships from Sweden.
https://mv-supplements.com/
re. this RU58841. But damn that is expensive..
My plan was actually just to make my own topical fina by just buying pills from prescription(easy to get) and mangle them up to powder and make my own solution. Would be 1/20 the price of that RU58841 stuff you linked. Although maybe the RU58841 is better, wtf do I know right. Price is an issue though.
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I've been using topical finasteride for about 2 weeks now, so far no side effects.
It's mixed in with minoxidil 5% liquid.
How do you use it, do you shampoo and rinse or leave it on overnight? I tried minoxidil for a week but stopped due to scalp irritation. I left it on overnight.
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Careful with the RU58841 I’ve read many horror stories of cardiopulmonary side effects like palpitations / shortness of breath lasting for months. It would be my last resort.
On the minoxidil box it says it’s not for the forehead hairline / frontal crown area?
I’ve never heard anything about minoxidil not being effective for this area?
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Careful with the RU58841 I’ve read many horror stories of cardiopulmonary side effects like palpitations / shortness of breath lasting for months. It would be my last resort.
On the minoxidil box it says it’s not for the forehead hairline / frontal crown area?
I’ve never heard anything about minoxidil not being effective for this area?
why wouldn't it? worked for me. some regrowth.
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it literally says it works in that area
Topical minoxidil causes hair regrowth in both frontotemporal and vertex areas.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34159872/#:~:text=Clinical%20efficacy%20%28topical%20minoxidil%29%3A%20In%20a%20five-year%20study%2C,significantly%20different%20in%20efficacy%20from%20the%202%25%20solution.
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How do you use it, do you shampoo and rinse or leave it on overnight? I tried minoxidil for a week but stopped due to scalp irritation. I left it on overnight.
I leave it on at night.
It does dry the scalp and caused itchiness for me, but I now use Alpecin Sensitive Shampoo which I leave on for a few minutes when showering and haven't had any more issues.
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I Started topical minoxidil Monday and last nights shower was DISTURBING how much hair was shedding. You could roll it up into a golf ball. I was legit traumatized.
Hopefully it’s the “shedding phase” of minoxidil. Either way no more masteron for me ever. Even with a good estrogen of 42 I shed like crazy.
Experiment over. DHTs never again :(
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Re. Topical finasteride.
It actually looks very promising to me. Proven haircount increase in double blind study in 2022. Without the systemic uptake heavy side effects.
4:30-5:10
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It's called recomp
Lose fat while gaining muscle
Basically go from 6% to 4% which is like losing 2 or at max 3 pounds of fat, and by the way 1 pound of fat takes up a decent amount of space
So I could maybe lose about one more inch from my waist but 27 is the lowest I'll go, it 28 1/4 now
Yesterday I and 1.5 liters of milk and a scoop of protein powder and half and orange for breakfast
For lunch I had a double quarter pounder with cheese fries and a cola
For dinner I had shrimp rice and peas and a can of tuna with some cheese sauce
Total cals bout 3000
Recomp? You were a meth head to start. Gaining muscle? You are going to have a 27 inch waist now? Again how big are your hips??? That ratio you swear by is based on your hips not your waist. You can't change the size of your hips
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Recomp? You were a meth head to start. Gaining muscle? You are going to have a 27 inch waist now? Again how big are your hips??? That ratio you swear by is based on your hips not your waist. You can't change the size of your hips
Your obsession with calorie cutting is rather comical
Me thinks you are too much of a pussy to suffer through a low calorie diet
You do realise that King Zane dieted on 1200 calories for 3 months or so right?
He weighed high 180s onstage
Your too mentally weak to go through that
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Your obsession with calorie cutting is rather comical
Me thinks you are too much of a pussy to suffer through a low calorie diet
You do realise that King Zane dieted on 1200 calories for 3 months or so right?
He weighed high 180s onstage
Your too mentally weak to go through that
What obsession I am not counting calories. I dieted for decades wrestling in a weight class. Then I realized that not eating and doing cardio all day was not healthy and had stunted my growth so I started eating and lifting. Much happier eating and lifting.
Dont talk about mental weakness when you still don't train legs Mr 20 inches
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What obsession I am not counting calories. I dieted for decades wrestling in a weight class. Then I realized that not eating and doing cardio all day was not healthy and had stunted my growth so I started eating and lifting. Much happier eating and lifting.
Dont talk about mental weakness when you still don't train legs Mr 20 inches
Both wounds are finally closed and shut but not sure if I will train legs anyways as I never keep it going past 6 weeks or so
Funny thing is if I did decide to train them I'd add 2 full inches to each one within a matter of weeks
How do I know this? Last November I trained them for like 4 weeks and they got up to 22 1/2 inches so if I'd trained them now they'd jump to that size very quickly as they are severely untrained and atrophisized
They've been 24 1/2 before but I was a fat 10-12% so that measurement does not count in my book
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Both wounds are finally closed and shut but not sure if I will train legs anyways as I never keep it going past 6 weeks or so
Funny thing is if I did decide to train them I'd add 2 full inches to each one within a matter of weeks
How do I know this? Last November I trained them for like 4 weeks and they got up to 22 1/2 inches so if I'd trained them now they'd jump to that size very quickly as they are severely untrained and atrophisized
They've been 24 1/2 before but I was a fat 10-12% so that measurement does not count in my book
Why do you have wounds on your legs? Did you go to gangbangs with these puss and semen filled sores?
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Why do you have wounds on your legs? Did you go to gangbangs with these puss and semen filled sores?
Hahaha
Bad injects from the harpoon needle
Didn't have any slin pin needles available and didn't feel like going to the pharmacy to get more
Big mistake
I'll never use harpoon needles again
By the by waist is still at 28.5 inches but I have added a full inch to my chest and 1/2 to my shoulders and 1/3 to my arms💪😎
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Both wounds are finally closed and shut but not sure if I will train legs anyways as I never keep it going past 6 weeks or so
Funny thing is if I did decide to train them I'd add 2 full inches to each one within a matter of weeks
How do I know this? Last November I trained them for like 4 weeks and they got up to 22 1/2 inches so if I'd trained them now they'd jump to that size very quickly as they are severely untrained and atrophisized
They've been 24 1/2 before but I was a fat 10-12% so that measurement does not count in my book
It's easy to make gains when you start from 0
You would think your own statement would motivate you to train them
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Why do you have wounds on your legs? Did you go to gangbangs with these puss and semen filled sores?
Probably had puss dick too.
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Re. Topical finasteride.
It actually looks very promising to me. Proven haircount increase in double blind study in 2022. Without the systemic uptake heavy side effects.
4:30-5:10
I got an rx for dutasteride and will dose extremely low at 0.5mg every 10-15 days to be safe. I will also be mixing them into the Kirkland liquid minoxidil and applying topically.
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I got an rx for dutasteride and will dose extremely low at 0.5mg every 10-15 days to be safe. I will also be mixing them into the Kirkland liquid minoxidil and applying topically.
Topical finasteride gives the same or similar results as using the tables daily, but without any of the systemic side effects.
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Topical finasteride gives the same or similar results as using the tables daily, but without any of the systemic side effects.
But I've seen the comment, "you think the drug doesn't seep into the body at all?" And if it doesn't really penetrate do you know it's going to where it needs to be, deep enough? AFAIK there is no topical fina on Rx.
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how to make topical fina