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There was talk of a qaulifier in Vegas.
Any news?
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Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate.
Please show me in the press releases where the Vegas show is scheduled.
"there was talk" is a tad unaccountable. There can be talk about anything. Who made this talk? Speak on it.
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Let me look into this I heard the same thing.
The Beef.
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I thought they announced some big Vegas event a long time ago, too. If my memory serves me correctly, it was going to be in October, but I cannot recall the venue.
At the time, most of the details were TBA.
That being said, I don't think it's that big a deal that no promoter could be found in Vegas. That town is *seriously* overpriced right now, for everything.
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You guys are getting really desparate now. Making up cancelled shows is a typical IFBB ploy. But you have to remember this is not the IFBB. When you cancel a show that means it will never happen. And their has to be a show to begin with. Now if the NOC was not to happen and it was cancelled then you would have something to glout over, but sorry kids you are posting some wrong things here. Negotiations are still going on.
No show= can't be cancelled
No date= can't be cancelled
No venue= can't be cancelled
No press release= can't be cancelled
No official notice= can't be cancelled
Hope this helps. Now get back to trying to figure out how to fuck the IFBB up more. Maybe Vince can be the rep
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??? Says Vegas show here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=57530.0
Owned!
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You guys are getting really desparate now. Making up cancelled shows is a typical IFBB ploy. But you have to remember this is not the IFBB. When you cancel a show that means it will never happen. And their has to be a show to begin with. Now if the NOC was not to happen and it was cancelled then you would have something to glout over, but sorry kids you are posting some wrong things here. Negotiations are still going on.
No show= can't be cancelled
No date= can't be cancelled
No venue= can't be cancelled
No press release= can't be cancelled
No official notice= can't be cancelled
Hope this helps. Now get back to trying to figure out how to f**k the IFBB up more. Maybe Vince can be the rep
are you saying the shows in august don't exist?
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??? Says Vegas show here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=57530.0
Thanks, Sean - good work.
I stand corrected...it was August, not October. ;)
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PRO DIVISION INC ANNOUNCES CRITERIA FOR MEMBERSHIP
Pro Division Inc announced today the ways in which athletes can participate in Pro Division Inc competitions/events.
Wayne S. DeMilia, CEO of Pro Division Inc states, “We have been inundated with requests from athletes encompassing every point on the globe. We are totally elated from the massive response we have received from interested athletes. We have formulated a program to be not only open and progressive, but also honest and fair.”
Pro Division Inc will consider for pro status in their program athletes who meet the following criteria.
Any male athlete who has achieved pro status from any other organization.
Any male athlete who has won a national or international title from any other organization.
In addition, because we have received so many requests from amateur athletes wishing to participate in our events, we have set up a program to achieve that goal.
Pro Division Inc will promote each year a series of “Amateur Pro Qualifiers.” These events will be run for the sole purpose of amateur athletes achieving pro status in Pro Division Inc.
The first three of such events will be promoted on the following dates and locations:
1. Florida August 11-12
2. Las Vegas August 25-26
3. New York City September 15
Each event will have five weight divisions, and for our first year, the top two in each weight division will receive pro status. Weight divisions are as follows:
Up to 175 pounds
Over 175, up to and including 190 pounds
Over 190, up to and including 205 pounds
Over 205, up to and including 220 pounds
Over 220 pounds
The Sports Act of 1978, and a subsequent ruling on the matter in 1983, has given amateur athletes the right to compete in any organization any time they wish without fear of threats or reprisals.
Anyone wishing to join Pro Division Inc should do so by contacting us at prodivisioninc@yahoo.com. Our next press release will announce our fall contest schedule
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??? Says Vegas show here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=57530.0
the sky is falling
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"Athletes"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Well then where is the cancellation notice. I have yet to see one. The Olympia has been cancelled too. And that is more realistic. Since the IFBB has the history of cancelling shows not the PDI. Also, keep this in mind, cancelling a show is different from moving the date.
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Since the IFBB has the history of cancelling shows not the PDI.
Not a good argument, Keith...someone could easily turn that around and say that the IFBB also has a long history of putting on events, while the PDI does not.
The PDI lost every planned event after the 2004 Night of Champions.
There's no question that Wayne got screwed over bigtime, but the reality is that those shows all had to be cancelled.
This is really splitting hairs, though. I think the 2006 PDI Night of Champions could be the most watched webcast in bodybuilding history.
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Not a good argument, Keith...someone could easily turn that around and say that the IFBB also has a long history of putting on events, while the PDI does not.
The PDI lost every planned event after the 2004 Night of Champions.
There's no question that Wayne got screwed over bigtime, but the reality is that those shows all had to be cancelled.
This is really splitting hairs, though. I think the 2006 PDI Night of Champions could be the most watched webcast in bodybuilding history.
This is really splitting hairs, though.
As far as I know it won't be webcasted. Unless they can come up with the money to pay for the production (the company who webcasts). This location is very union run and in New York you have to pay for the union to work. I talked to Wayne about it before and he said no but that was a few months ago. Things might change. Don't know but will be talking tohim over the weekend and will find out and about the Vegas show.
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that's why the bev/steve show in tribeca was so spartan, they had to pay union scale
:'( for them
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As far as I know it won't be webcasted. Unless they can come up with the money to pay for the production (the company who webcasts). This location is very union run and in New York you have to pay for the union to work.
Screw the union.
The venue's website said something about having to pay extra to photograph or videotape the show (which is nuts - shouldn't that be included?!), but since there will be SOME media there, I'm assuming that's already been taken care of.
That being the case, the high-speed internet connection shouldn't cost more than $1000 (this should be in the venue rental, too, but may not be) and the 2-day cost for a cameraman would be another $1000.
If I'm the promoter, I spend that $2000 in a heartbeat.
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Hah, oh dear. 240, Keith.. if you're going to advocate atleast know what you're talking about. You fell into that one hook line and sinker. Expect 10 pages of IFBB drones naysayer talk now.
That show being cancelled is really not news, it is however news to IFBB lackeys simply because you went and blew the IFBB cancellations out of proportion. Unfortunately you're going to have to swallow it boys :)
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??? Says Vegas show here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=57530.0
;D
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;D
see what happens when ya play gotcha?
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see what happens when ya play gotcha?
Not really :(
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Hah, oh dear. 240, Keith.. if you're going to advocate atleast know what you're talking about. You fell into that one hook line and sinker. Expect 10 pages of IFBB drones naysayer talk now.
That show being cancelled is really not news, it is however news to IFBB lackeys simply because you went and blew the IFBB cancellations out of proportion. Unfortunately you're going to have to swallow it boys :)
Well actually no. Since no cancellation has been posted except by a guy who lives and breathes off IFBB ass. I have heard nothing. And until I do this is just Kevin blowing his load after watching a Weider and IFBB porn movie starring them together.
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Well actually no. Since no cancellation has been posted except by a guy who lives and breathes off IFBB ass. I have heard nothing. And until I do this is just Kevin blowing his load after watching a Weider and IFBB porn movie starring them together.
You've made plenty of assumptions in pursuit of your own criticisms of the IFBB. I've seen you blow many things out of proportion for a while now so don't be suprised when people start doing the same to you.
Whether the show the on or off, you had no knowledge of it and now you're going to cop the rumour mill attacking your camp. This is amusing. Thats all I'm saying.
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I've worked with the pro site exclusively thus far. But yes, the Vegas is on the menu.
Horton- are you just asking about the show? There hasn't been much info released about the other 2 pro qualifiers this year. The shows are a few months away and the athletes who have been emailing Wayne have been getting the answers they need about the show.
If you're just fishing, then carry on!
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I've worked with the pro site exclusively thus far. But yes, the Vegas is on the menu.
Horton- are you just asking about the show? There hasn't been much info released about the other 2 pro qualifiers this year. The shows are a few months away and the athletes who have been emailing Wayne have been getting the answers they need about the show.
If you're just fishing, then carry on!
What about the fans? Those of us who might be interested in attending a PDI event will have to make travel plans, too, ya know. While NYC and Orlando are out of the question, I would consider making the trip to Vegas to see what the PDI is all about.
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Well then where is the cancellation notice. I have yet to see one. The Olympia has been cancelled too. And that is more realistic. Since the IFBB has the history of cancelling shows not the PDI. Also, keep this in mind, cancelling a show is different from moving the date.
Are you with a BEAR in your avatar?
What's the story behind that?
Are you a "muscle bear"?
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yeah lol vegas in august 102 degrees night time cools to 99
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What about the fans? Those of us who might be interested in attending a PDI event will have to make travel plans, too, ya know. While NYC and Orlando are out of the question, I would consider making the trip to Vegas to see what the PDI is all about.
very good question. I will add that Q to the list of Hardball questions for Wayne on the radio show. I didn't think about that side, but you are right... cheaper to fly when buying early...
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yeah lol vegas in august 102 degrees night time cools to 99
Sure, but that'll give all the builders who show up in their tank tops an excuse for it.
Anyway, you guys thought the Orleans was a pit? The PDI title show is going to be held at El Cortez.
[Thank you! You've been a beautiful audience! I'm here all week!]
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Sure, but that'll give all the builders who show up in their tank tops an excuse for it.
Anyway, you guys thought the Orleans was a pit? The PDI title show is going to be held at El Cortez.
[Thank you! You've been a beautiful audience! I'm here all week!]
Now that would be funny. Or the Conch Hotel
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Now that would be funny.
Funny like money, kid! And after he's crowned Mr. PDI Fauxlympia, Lee Priest will greet diners at the $5.99 dinner buffet.
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Fauxlympia.. nice
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Anyway, you guys thought the Orleans was a pit? The PDI title show is going to be held at El Cortez.
I thought it was going to be at the Rio or something like that.
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Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate.
Please show me in the press releases where the Vegas show is scheduled.
"there was talk" is a tad unaccountable. There can be talk about anything. Who made this talk? Speak on it.
Well you published it on your PDIradio site.
You might want to consider deleting press release number three too?
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Well you published it on your PDIradio site.
You might want to consider deleting press release number three too?
Kevin Horton of FLEX, are you asking if the PDI qualifier is cancelled? Or announcing?
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Kevin Horton of FLEX, are you asking if the PDI qualifier is cancelled? Or announcing?
He is another company man .... no brain included
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Kevin Horton of FLEX, are you asking if the PDI qualifier is cancelled? Or announcing?
Well I used a question mark in the title and in the post so that would tend to indicate it was a question?
So I will repeat.
Any news?
And are PDI qualifying shows open to athletes outside of the US?
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He is another company man .... no brain included
You are obviously referring to 240 when he said this.
"Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate."
240 is a company man who doesn't even know what his company is doing - or should that be NOT doing?
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Cancelling the Vegas show is 100% false. You can take that to the bank. As long as it's not U.S. Bank in Denver.
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The PDI will also have a qualifier for photographers to see if they are worthy of taking pictures.
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Cancelling the Vegas show is 100% false. You can take that to the bank. As long as it's not U.S. Bank in Denver.
Considering the show is only 12 weeks away, do you think it would be prudent to announce a few of the details?
Or is it going to be like a treasure hunt with athletes and fans getting prizes for finding the venue?
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The PDI will also have a qualifier for photographers to see if they are worthy of taking pictures.
That might be the only way you boys get any sponsors.
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Ok, PR #4 lists 3 amateur events in August and September: Orlando, Las Vegas, New York.
PR #6 states that there will be 3 pro events over 1 weekend in October: Slovakia, Hungary, England.
PR #6 also states that other European PDI events will be announced in its next press release.
PR #7 makes no mention of any additional European PDI events. Neither does PR #8.
The latest press releases have all been the same and haven't said much of anything at all. How are we - the fans - supposed to get behind something so 'fresh, innovative, and new' when the press releases have become as monotonous as any run-of-the-mill IFBB show?
Unless it's a MAJOR signing - and I will say that Lee Priest and Vince Taylor are certainly worthy - press releases should not be used just to announce that so-n-so is going to compete in the NY show.
Press releases should be used to announce: new sponsors, new events, broadcast/ticket options, or changes to any previous releases.
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It's hard for me to believe that PDI's [complete lack of] credibility is even being debated.
Two facts:
1. They don't have a company web site.
2. The contact information in their press release is a free e-mail address!
I've seen Nigerian scammers with more impressive credentials than this.
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It's hard for me to believe that PDI's [complete lack of] credibility is even being debated.
Two facts:
1. They don't have a company web site.
2. The contact information in their press release is a free e-mail address!
I've seen Nigerian scammers with more impressive credentials than this.
it's being created hope this helps
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it's being created hope this helps
Unless you can at least specify a reserved domain name, no - it doesn't help.
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You know you're in trouble when you can cancel a show and no one notices. I would feel sorry for all the fans who planned to attend and "athletes" who planned to compete, but there obviously are none. :o
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You know you're in trouble when you can cancel a show and no one notices.
I don't think they're in trouble, I just think they need to shore up a few areas.
Using the press releases to generate hype is a great idea, but thinking that every NOC entry should be announced in such a way is not a great idea.
Because of their newness, the PDI has to be careful about listing events as 'tentatively scheduled'. In my opinion, they can't exactly afford that. Sure, because they're not yet stable, things are constantly changing, but they don't want to start off with a reputation for cancelled events - REGARDLESS OF REASON - and certainly do not want to come out of the gate with a bunch of excuses about why so many things that were promised are not happening after all.
Again, I completely support the idea of the PDI - I'm hoping that posts like these are received as constructive and not just critical.
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I'm hoping that posts like these are received as constructive and not just critical.
As an instinctive anti-monopolist, I'd love nothing better than to see the IFBB forced to consume abundant helpings of humble pie. But if the PDI wants respect, they're going to have to earn it. So far, they're off to a distinctly unimpressive start.
Peter McGough was being a self-serving git when he sniffed about the PDI "taking advantage of vulnerable athletes". But that doesn't mean he was wrong.
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You know you're in trouble when you can cancel a show and no one notices.
Well we're not sure what the situation is, that's why I asked.
One PDI voice - 240 - wasn;t even aware of the show, while "Onlyme" says it hasn't been cancelled.
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Well we're not sure what the situation is, that's why I asked.
One PDI voice - 240 - wasn;t even aware of the show, while "Onlyme" says it hasn't been cancelled.
Horton, the show isn't cancelled, man.
I build and maintain many sites, the pdiradio site among them. I don't memorize every show, and i misspoke on that one. I admitted that. I have 10,000 things in my head, and I forgot about the amateur shows, focusing on the pro sites I do.
You're kind of a poor argument here. I know you've only arrived to kiss up to your IFBB handlers, and that is sad for you man. You make up the cancellation, then freak out that a few of the supporters here on the board don't have hotel info for you yet. If you want to know, email Wayne. He is the promoter. I am not the "PDI VOICE" as you said. I am setting up a radio station and I build sites.
Scary how much attention the PDI gets of yours. Good thing the IFBB isn't worried ;)
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Scary how much attention the PDI gets of yours.
Isn't Kevin an established member of the bodybuilding media?
As such, doesn't he have an obligation to ask these questions?
You can't be upset with members of the media for seeking truth.
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Horton, the show isn't cancelled, man.
I build and maintain many sites, the pdiradio site among them. I don't memorize every show, and i misspoke on that one. I admitted that. I have 10,000 things in my head, and I forgot about the amateur shows, focusing on the pro sites I do.
You're kind of a poor argument here. I know you've only arrived to kiss up to your IFBB handlers, and that is sad for you man. You make up the cancellation, then freak out that a few of the supporters here on the board don't have hotel info for you yet. If you want to know, email Wayne. He is the promoter. I am not the "PDI VOICE" as you said. I am setting up a radio station and I build sites.
Scary how much attention the PDI gets of yours. Good thing the IFBB isn't worried ;)
Thanks for the update that the show isn't cancelled - any further details available at the moment?
I didn't make up anything. I just asked if it had been cancelled. You then jumped in with your usual unfounded allegations:
"Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate.
"Please show me in the press releases where the Vegas show is scheduled."
Now we have your pathetic attempt to deflect away from the fact that you were OWNED, by now accusing me of being a "kiss up to your IFBB handlers". You really are becoming transparent.
But then again you are a master of deflection as it's your only defence apart from making idle threats to do people physical damage, or threatening to damage peoples relationships.
You are far too modest about your relationship with the PDI. Almost every post you start is an announcement of some sort. If Wayne has not given you the official title yet, you are doing a fantastic job of ass licking your way into the job.
Looking forward to hearing your first broadcast.
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Is it true that if an IFBB pro competes in the PDI he/she will be banned from the IFBB???
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Is it true that if an IFBB pro competes in the PDI he/she will be banned from the IFBB???
Banned? Probably not.
F*ked for life in placings if they try? Most likely.
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Is it true that if an IFBB pro competes in the PDI he/she will be banned from the IFBB???
Depends on who it is, I'd imagine. ;)
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Depends on who it is, I'd imagine. ;)
You think they would be more or less likely to let Priest come whimpering back?
On the one hand, he definitely puts asses in seats. On the other hand, he's seldom passed up an opportunity to break the IFBB's balls when got a chance.
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Is it true that if an IFBB pro competes in the PDI he/she will be banned from the IFBB???
Yes, as per the contract that every athlete signed when renewing their IFBB card...
If a IFBB athlete competes on a NON-IFBB show...they will be suspended indefinitely.
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Yes, as per the contract that every athlete signed when renewing their IFBB card...
If a IFBB athlete competes on a NON-IFBB show...they will be suspended indefinitely.
Tx for the info, Bob.
But of course "suspended indefinitely" is carefully crafted legal-weasel wording that can be used to really shut someone out for life or let them back on El Supremo's whim.
Just what you'd expect from the IFBB, eh?
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Isn't Kevin an established member of the bodybuilding media?
As such, doesn't he have an obligation to ask these questions?
You can't be upset with members of the media for seeking truth.
Exactly, so why doesn't he simply ask Wayne himself and put what he say on hear. You say he is a member of the media and he is suppose to know how things work. Isn't it strange with all his experince he would know better than to ask this crap on here, when he can easily call or email Wayne. Wayne is very very easily accessible. Kevin has said he has talked to Wayne numerous times before. Well call him now. Unlike Manion who you can't talk too at least Wayne is up front and available to answer questions. Just call him. Do you need a dime or something. Quit asking for answers from myself or 240 if you don't believe them or think we are making them up. Call Wayne and type what he says.
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Yes, as per the contract that every athlete signed when renewing their IFBB card...
If a IFBB athlete competes on a NON-IFBB show...they will be suspended indefinitely.
Thankfully, you're working to get that 'rule' eliminated.
The other pro men should be behind you on this, no questions asked.
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You think they would be more or less likely to let Priest come whimpering back?
On the one hand, he definitely puts asses in seats. On the other hand, he's seldom passed up an opportunity to break the IFBB's balls when got a chance.
Well any IFBB pro that signs with the PDI is obviously sick and tired of the way the IFBB is run in the first place and probably doesn't care to go back. Why would they.
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The other pro men should be behind you on this, no questions asked.
You have heard that steroid use decreases testicle size, yes?
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You think they would be more or less likely to let Priest come whimpering back?
On the one hand, he definitely puts asses in seats. On the other hand, he's seldom passed up an opportunity to break the IFBB's balls when got a chance.
Lee is great for business, no question about it.
Ego is a large part of the game at the top levels of this business, but money still rules the day.
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Well any IFBB pro that signs with the PDI is obviously sick and tired of the way the IFBB is run in the first place and probably doesn't care to go back. Why would they.
Your question assumes that the PDI becomes and remains a viable alternative.
That's a big brass assumption there.
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Thankfully, you're working to get that 'rule' eliminated.
The other pro men should be behind you on this, no questions asked.
That is true. That rule is basically stupid and worthless. It puts a stranglehold on the competitors and just shows how the IFBB wants to be 100% in control of how a competitors is allowed to make money. I find it amazing any IFBBpro would go along with this rule since the IFBB does not employ any of them nor do they pay them any money. So why have someone like this control how you can make money. And if a competitor doesn't get paid or the check bounces the IFBB doesn't even get involved to rectify the problem. WHy let them control what you do to make money. ISn't there a rule about not guest posing at non-NPC or IFBB related events too. That is as dumb if not dumber.
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Your question assumes that the PDI becomes and remains a viable alternative.
That's a big brass assumption there.
Yes it does but I am willing to stick it out and see. I am looking for the positive outcome always.
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Your question assumes that the PDI becomes and remains a viable alternative.
That's a big brass assumption there.
I'm going to have to agree with you.
I think that Wayne has a legitimate 5-year plan in place (I have not spoken with him directly about this, however), but as of right now, I don't see that 6th year as being anything close to a certainty.
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That is true. That rule is basically stupid and worthless. It puts a stranglehold on the competitors and just shows how the IFBB wants to be 100% in control of how a competitors is allowed to make money. I find it amazing any IFBBpro would go along with this rule since the IFBB does not employ any of them nor do they pay them any money. So why have someone like this control how you can make money. And if a competitor doesn't get paid or the check bounces the IFBB doesn't even get involved to rectify the problem. WHy let them control what you do to make money. ISn't there a rule about not guest posing at non-NPC or IFBB related events too. That is as dumb if not dumber.
Yeah, apparently, such a 'rule' exists about the guest posings, autograph signings, seminars, etc., but they don't have any teeth and certainly would not stand up to scrutiny if challenged.
It's been over a year since I last read the athletes' application for IFBB pro card renewal, but at the time of that reading, there was no language which attempted to set things up as a non-compete arrangement. And even if they (the IFBB) tried to do so, I'm willing to bet they'd fail.
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Exactly, so why doesn't he simply ask Wayne himself and put what he say on hear. You say he is a member of the media and he is suppose to know how things work. Isn't it strange with all his experince he would know better than to ask this crap on here, when he can easily call or email Wayne. Wayne is very very easily accessible. Kevin has said he has talked to Wayne numerous times before. Well call him now. Unlike Manion who you can't talk too at least Wayne is up front and available to answer questions. Just call him. Do you need a dime or something. Quit asking for answers from myself or 240 if you don't believe them or think we are making them up. Call Wayne and type what he says.
This is an open forum so I guess it's ok to ask questions? Or is only for suck ups like you to keep your man happy?
At least I'm only asking questions, unlike yourself who uses every thread to vent your angst against everyone other than your hero.
Wayne has a standard answer to everything:
"We are doing things at our pace, our way, to insure success. Time will prove us right. I know everyone wants to know everything now, but we are doing everything according to our plan and to this point, our plan is working perfectly."
So we are now 12 weeks away from a qualiifying show, yet nobody can find out any details about it, not even your buddy 240. If it was an IFBB show, you'd be running your mouth off at 100mph.
I've only asked if it has been cancelled, unlike you who spent a considerable part of your life trying to undermine Shawns efforts with the Colorado show. Considering you failed dismaly with your show, it must have really upset you when you head it was a SUCCESS!!!!!!
How's your friend doing with the hair?
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Wayne has a standard answer to everything:
"We are doing things at our pace, our way, to insure success. Time will prove us right. I know everyone wants to know everything now, but we are doing everything according to our plan and to this point, our plan is working perfectly."
Sounds like Bush talking about spying on domestic phone calls.
Creepy.
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Blackballed! :P
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Yes, as per the contract that every athlete signed when renewing their IFBB card...
If a IFBB athlete competes on a NON-IFBB show...they will be suspended indefinitely.
Well i guess it all comes down to a financial aspect. IFBB wants to run a monopoly on bodybuilding.
I feel that the PDI would be a good way for many pros to make some good money for once. I mean its the same guys dominating the top 5 and the rest leave with nothing. Perhaps with the PDI it could open some doors for people.
Then again from what im seeing PDI doesnt seem all that reliable.
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And as Athlete's Rep, you support this?? :o
Monster looking out for the athletes' interests! ::)
I didn't give my opinion on the matter...a question was asked, an answer was given.
Monster "can't comprehend what I read"...
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Yes, as per the contract that every athlete signed when renewing their IFBB card...
If a IFBB athlete competes on a NON-IFBB show...they will be suspended indefinitely.
Wow...thats kind of drastic....don't you think Bob?
Do you see this happen in any other kind of Professional Event?
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And as Athlete's Rep, you support this?? :o
Monster looking out for the athletes' interests! ::)
I didn't give my opinion on the matter...a question was asked, an answer was given.
Monster "can't comprehend what I read"...
Looks like a question was asked here Bob....but reading your response....I don't see an answer.
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I'd like to hear Wayne's opinions on mainstream media and bodybuilding.
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You certainly didn't speak out against it. In fact, your lack of commentary while quoting an obvious injustice to the athletes smacks of tacit approval.
Monster avoiding the obvious implication in my original post.
In Chick's defense, he *has* spoken out against that 'rule' publicly in the recent past. I cannot cite the exact posts, but he has never said he supported it - he has simply said that it's the rule at this time and wants the guys he represents to be aware of that.
Chick - am I correct here, or has your position changed?
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Again, I ask what Wayne's thoughts are on mainstream media and bodybuilding.
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Again, I ask what Wayne's thoughts are on mainstream media and bodybuilding.
I dunno, and I can't speak for him. You can hit him at prodivisioninc@yahoo.com and he'll answer just about anything! He's very forthcoming.
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I reiterate my Q for Bob and Kev and anyone else who wants the PDI to crash.
How can you NOT want more money for the pros? Wayne is putting up 30K for each of the 5 fall shows. That is $150k! It's 5 new shows in new cities for fans to go to! If you don't dig it, that's cool.
But how can ANYONE mock the addition of hundreds of thousands of new dollars to the athletes? Either you're in bed with the IFBB- and taking your own check over that of the athletes, or ... what else COULD it be?
Bob- you should really be getting the IFBB to let anyone compete anywhere. Hell, let your IFBB pros jump over, wipe up the competition, and come back to the IFBB! WHY deny these hardworking guys a chance to earn? Why oh why? Speaketh on it.
I can't speak for Bob but I've posted before that I would love to see more money available for the athletes. But in a market place that is shrinking, I don't see how the PDI are going to come through with their promises.
Where is the 5th show? I thought there was 4?
At the moment there are only firm details of ONE show any talk of more is pure speculation. And Wayne is not offering 150K. it will be the other promoters who will be putting up the money. If the three shows do go ahead, he'll be making over $30K in sanction fees.
Any debate over this issue is always met with the same response from you "In bed with the IFBB" or some other crap. Nobody is allowed to have an opinion, nobody is shown respect. We are expected to believe that you are unbiased, yet you are the one with the track record of defending the PDI. Even to the point of totally ignoring their lies. Just read the press release 3 which you've published on YOUR site. If the IFBB made that announcement and was proven wrong you'd be having a fit. So stop the pretence. and wear your PDI badge with pride, you've earned it.
Anytime a reasonable question is asked you'e there to defend the PDI honor. Obvioulsy you see it as a chance to earn some money, just as you did with your Titus project. That died a death too - please don't come out with the crap about selling it to anyone.
Now you've bought "Internet Radio for Dummies" in the hope of impressing your Boss. Problem is, he doesn't want to go on it!
You shouted your mouth off about Bob and Dan about letting him on their radio show, how they were puppets of the IFBB etc. etc. only to be owned when it was revealled that Wayne didn't want to go on till Sept.
These exchanges used to be fun, but I'm finding it difficult to take it seriously when I know you could be sitting at your keyboard naked apart from mascara.
What the hell goes through your head when you pose like that?
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kevin,
you are a waste of time. briefly... the pic was morphed to look bad. We all know that PBBW didn't want wayne on the show, so he made his own show. there are 4 euro shows and 1 US show. prize monies for each show is $30k. Times 5, that's $150k. Wayne will give $150k to BBers, and some people dislike it. Huh?
I did sell the Titus site, actually the day after it made MSNBC. I still have some ad rights, but I did sell the site to a great guy. You can believe what you want, but making asinine statements like that undermines your credibility on all issues. It's obvious you seriously worry about me, as you spend so much time following and posting about me.
Why is the BBing marketplace shrinking? Cause of the guts. You won't see them in the PDI.
Kev, you can insult me for pics, for my sites, etc. I saw your name in a flex pic today and realized wow... this horton guy is really embarassing himself online.
Finally- you cannot explain your reasoning for not wanting athletes to earn $150k.
You are self owned. I master you on the argument. You're an obese, unmarried Brit who makes him money taking pictures of men in thongs. When the IFBB loses business, you'll be scrambling for work. Sucks to be you, kev!
Answer my pm
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FWIW, one of the top guys jumping- we all know who- has made it abundantly clear he will be competing in the NOC and the Mr O also.
Wayne lets his athletes compete anywhere they want.
And since you have many IFBB pros of both genders doing JO and GP videos, it's going to look realllly bad to selectively enforce one rule on one guy, and let dozens of others walk. And how much good would a public trial do for the IFBB? Imagine Boss Blechman grinning ear to ear typing away about the "other" trial of 2006, the one where *** gets on the stand and just blabs away about everything he knows about the IFBB. Ouch!
Also, I am not a spokesman for PDI, kev. Realize this. I talk about the PDI cause I know that 2 federations gives more $ to athletes. More MONEY, man! How can ANYONE hate on this? $150K in prize monies in sept-oct ALONE! Dude! HOW can you not want this for the athletes?
And I talk about the athletes cause they're my web design clients! It *really* doesn't hurt my own stock when my new client Rhino gets an AtLarge endorsement, multiple mag shoots, and is a household name on the boards just 2 months after we launched his name :)
a household name on the boards.....ask yourself if this makes any sense ::)
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kevin,
you are a waste of time. briefly... the pic was morphed to look bad. We all know that PBBW didn't want wayne on the show, so he made his own show. there are 4 euro shows and 1 US show. prize monies for each show is $30k. Times 5, that's $150k. Wayne will give $150k to BBers, and some people dislike it. Huh?
I did sell the Titus site, actually the day after it made MSNBC. I still have some ad rights, but I did sell the site to a great guy. You can believe what you want, but making asinine statements like that undermines your credibility on all issues. It's obvious you seriously worry about me, as you spend so much time following and posting about me.
Why is the BBing marketplace shrinking? Cause of the guts. You won't see them in the PDI.
Kev, you can insult me for pics, for my sites, etc. I saw your name in a flex pic today and realized wow... this horton guy is really embarassing himself online.
Finally- you cannot explain your reasoning for not wanting athletes to earn $150k.
You are self owned. I master you on the argument. You're an obese, unmarried Brit who makes him money taking pictures of men in thongs. When the IFBB loses business, you'll be scrambling for work. Sucks to be you, kev!
Granted the "smile" was morphed, but the fact remains that you posed naked for a photo then posted it on male dominated boards. Obviously you were after some form of attention. So if anyone is enbarassing themselves here it's you.
Once again your blind loyalty to Wayne is revealled when you refuse to accept it was his decision to not go on the show. He hasn't set up the radio site it's you.
I don't recall insulting your sites, they have improved. I do have issues with your total support for the PDI and your lack of respect for people with different opinions. Especially how you send PM's to people threatening to mocl their spouses. Real class shown there boy.
Keep up the pretence about the Titus site if you want. But you and I both know the truth about that.
Once again I'll ask, where is the 5th show?
Where have I ever said I don't want the athletes to make more money?
For the record I am married. I cannot argue I am not overweight but obese, no. Yes, part of my business is taking photos of men in thongs. Strange that you mention that, when you pose without one. I will never have to scrabble for work.
Of course I am "self owned" that's becasue I am my own man while you are just a mouthpiece. You master nobody while you wear a collar.
This is now becoming boring. In the past, debating with you was quite fun, but lately your blind loyalty to the PDI has made you too one dimensional.
Good Night, Good Luck.
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I am shocked you'd defend shawn for this.
Once agin you twist my words to suit your argument. I never said I defend Shawn over this. I'll make it clear for you. I have no respectt for YOU. because you made threats to harm an innocent person over an exchange of words on here.
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She knew shawn was married and went up to his room anyway. Innocent?
Your threat was to someones wife. She's innocenet.
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240 is in *clear* violation of "Man Law" here.
You don't publicly discuss another guy's alleged indiscretions regardless of your beef with him.
Not only is it not cool, it's not smart either...because at that point, your actions have the potential to impact another man's family/home and that's very dangerous territory to get into.
Leave it alone, 240, leave it alone.
No excuses, no rationalization...just leave it alone.
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Lift studios is now advertising on PBBW.
I wonder how long it will be before Isaac goes on the show and bashes 240? ;D
Hey Goatballs way to listen closely, I've been advertising on there for months. I have better things to do then go on the show and bash a kid who wants to be like me.
MONSTER DELUSIONAL GOAT
Rob - you're really stretching with the insults towards Kevin. Having met Kevin and know the person he is in real life, he is one of the funniest guys you could be around. He's joking around with you and asking legit questions, yet you get flustered, claim self ownage and have the audacity to post...
"You're an obese, unmarried Brit who makes him money taking pictures of men in thongs. When the IFBB loses business, you'll be scrambling for work. Sucks to be you, kev!"
Do yourself a favor and not hang around Keith so much, you'll do much better.
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Lift studios is now advertising on PBBW. I wonder how long it will be before Isaac goes on the show and bashes 240?
Lift advertising on PBBW. Damn - nice commercial. But I don't think that the first thing he nor I would do is go on a radio show, or an expo, and start talking about 240 or others. When I go to the shows or expos, we talk about bodybuilding issues, the pros, competitors, the girls that are nice and friendly (like some of the pics I took at the Jr. California, especially Mary Jo Cooke), etc. But if you think that it is on our minds - no. What does bother me is that some people here are so ignorant of the facts and assume that what they say is true without first verifying and checking out things. It really isnt that hard.
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Here's some food for thought...
If the argument is for athletes to be able to compete in any federation (ala- IFBB/PDI)...without reprocussion....wouldn't we end up with the SAME guys placing at each respective show?
What opportunities (money wise) would open up for anyone outside of the already exsisting "top 10"?
If the PDI supporters' claim that shows are boring as we see the same guys over and over...what would change when Ronnie, Jay, Gustavo, Victor, Melvin...all compete in the NOC, and take the top 5 spots (and the money)?
The amatuers that have been given pro cards would be hard pressed to break the top 15-20 of ANY pro show...and STILL not be making any money.
I'm not quite sure this is what Wayne is looking for....
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If the argument is for athletes to be able to compete in any federation (ala- IFBB/PDI)...without reprocussion....wouldn't we end up with the SAME guys placing at each respective show?
What opportunities (money wise) would open up for anyone outside of the already exsisting "top 10"?
If the PDI supporters' claim that shows are boring as we see the same guys over and over...what would change when Ronnie, Jay, Gustavo, Victor, Melvin...all compete in the NOC, and take the top 5 spots (and the money)?
The amatuers that have been given pro cards would be hard pressed to break the top 15-20 of ANY pro show...and STILL not be making any money.
I'm not quite sure this is what Wayne is looking for....
It sounds like the judging criteria is a tad different. More focused upon aesthetics, etc. Why not let some of the #8 thru #20 IFBB guys take a shot at that? guys like Ron, Cuts, and Gus won't win PDI show- but Troy, Darrem, heath, etc, would! So why not let them cash in, and still do IFBB shows? Same guys won't be winning IFBB shows as PDI shows.
Why not let the aesthetic guys do the shows and take all wayne's money? :)
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Rob - you're really stretching with the insults towards Kevin. Having met Kevin and know the person he is in real life, he is one of the funniest guys you could be around. .
I hate it when I make a good impression.
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What about the fans? Those of us who might be interested in attending a PDI event will have to make travel plans, too, ya know. While NYC and Orlando are out of the question, I would consider making the trip to Vegas to see what the PDI is all about.
all 2 of you will have to make new plans ;D
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It sounds like the judging criteria is a tad different. More focused upon aesthetics, etc. Why not let some of the #8 thru #20 IFBB guys take a shot at that? guys like Ron, Cuts, and Gus won't win PDI show- but Troy, Darrem, heath, etc, would! So why not let them cash in, and still do IFBB shows? Same guys won't be winning IFBB shows as PDI shows.
Why not let the aesthetic guys do the shows and take all wayne's money? :)
riiiiiight......
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How about we install scoreboards?! ???
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How's that any different than what you have now? The top 5 guys could in theory enter every IFBB show. Obviously, no one is going to do 15 shows a year, so the more shows there are, the more opportunities there are for everyone.
This is a red herring you're tossing out to try to divert attention from the fact that on this issue you're siding against the athletes and with the IFBB powers-that-be.
To be quite honest...I could care less. Other than lee, I haven't had ONE athlete express an interest in challenging this rule.
My efforts have been and will be, focused on letting the athletes make guest appearances, work Expo's, store openings, seminars, etc....at non-sanctioned shows.
This will open the door for athletes to make more money( by way of) being allowed to make a living at their chosen profession as a independant contracted athlete.
Given the fact that competing COSTS money...and the low purse being offered, the only athlete making money will be the one that wins the show....every one else will LOSE money in the process.
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Bob, you guys should blackball these supplement companies into paying more money for winners of the contest.
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...and that would do what?
There's no penalty for thinking about,saying, suggesting, implying,writing, posting, scrawling in blood, or even commiting to joining another federation.
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...and that would do what?
There's no penalty for thinking about,saying, suggesting, implying,writing, posting, scrawling in blood, or even commiting to joining another federation.
So why do you get your panties in such a twist when 'peanuts' on this board discuss it (rationally or not)!?
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This will open the door for athletes to make more money( by way of) being allowed to make a living at their chosen profession as a independant contracted athlete.
And as we all know, athletes being able to make more money is a TERRIBLE thing.
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And as we all know, athletes being able to make more money is a TERRIBLE thing.
Your point is what?
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Your point is what?
Mindboggling translucence.
My point is that as the IFBB Athlete's rep, shouldn't you be embracing the chance for IFBB athletes to be able to earn more money?
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Mindboggling translucence.
My point is that as the IFBB Athlete's rep, shouldn't you be embracing the chance for IFBB athletes to be able to earn more money?
Every item I won approval on, is geared to making the athletes more money...so is challenging the ruling on making appearances, guest posing, etc at non sanctioned events...
Nothing is stooping anyone from going over to the pDI, and trying to make more money.
No one is knocking down the door (Lee excluded) for the ability to compete in both feds....most of the guys I've talked to don't want anything to do with Wayne, or to step on stage with amateurs. Just giving you the facts....
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most of the guys I've talked to don't want anything to do with Wayne, or to step on stage with amateurs. Just giving you the facts....
Do you think it would be in the athletes' best interest to be honest with you about their PDI intentions?
Seriously. Your credibility isn't exactly top notch.
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most of the guys I've talked to don't want anything to do with Wayne, or to step on stage with amateurs. Just giving you the facts....
I'm sure I speak for 240 and many others when I say that if you were really looking out for the athletes' best interests, you would force them to join PDI - even if it was against their will! They've obviously been cowed into submission by the jackbooted IFBB thugs. It's up to you lead the revolt! The men need a Spartacus, and you're just a Snotacus.
Squirticus?
I'll have to work on this insult and post it later. Please check this thread for it.
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240, don't pretend you care about the athletes. You've managed to inveigle yourself into the PDI, well done; but your reasons for doing so are money and 'fame'. If the IFBB offered you some serious cash you would spit out Wayne's cum and open wide for uncle Joe. You love the fact that through bodybuilding you've managed to make a name for yourself. That in its self is a bad indictment of the state of bodybuilding today.
I'm not begrudging you for making a living - just don't give us any crap about wanting to improve the lives of athletes.
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No one is knocking down the door (Lee excluded) for the ability to compete in both feds....most of the guys I've talked to don't want anything to do with Wayne, or to step on stage with amateurs. Just giving you the facts....
That seems like a reasonable position.
The people who are happy with what they've got will most likely where they are. The people who are unhappy will seek out alternatives. With few exceptions, it's doubtful most people will want to do both.
But I agree with all who've stated that they should at least have the option to compete wherever they'd like at any time.
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240, don't pretend you care about the athletes. You've managed to inveigle yourself into the PDI, well done; but your reasons for doing so are money and 'fame'. If the IFBB offered you some serious cash you would spit out Wayne's cum and open wide for uncle Joe. You love the fact that through bodybuilding you've managed to make a name for yourself. That in its self is a bad indictment of the state of bodybuilding today.
I'm not begrudging you for making a living - just don't give us any crap about wanting to improve the lives of athletes.
If the industry grows, there's a chance that 240 gets more work. If he produces quality sites, there's a chance he'll get more work. And if he's producing quality sites for athletes in the industry, there's a chance that more will hire him.
Despite his often abrasive nature, he does have a vested interest in his clients - and POTENTIAL clients - doing as well as possible.
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If the industry grows, there's a chance that 240 gets more work. If he produces quality sites, there's a chance he'll get more work. And if he's producing quality sites for athletes in the industry, there's a chance that more will hire him.
Despite his often abrasive nature, he does have a vested interest in his clients - and POTENTIAL clients - doing as well as possible.
Yeah, this is true. Competition between federations will give BBers bargaining power, and they'll make more money to stick with a given federation. They have money, and can by homes, health insurance, and yes, even websites.
Competition takes $ away from Manion, Weiders, and even Wayne, as they ALL have to pay market value for work or the competition will.
Look at the PDI so far- even though the first show has not even taken place, Rhino is earning dollars from it. AtLarge deal, multiple shoots, more guest appearances and posings... Already, BBers are earning more money because of the PDI.
More money for the athletes is a GOOD THING.
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If the industry grows, there's a chance that 240 gets more work. If he produces quality sites, there's a chance he'll get more work. And if he's producing quality sites for athletes in the industry, there's a chance that more will hire him.
Despite his often abrasive nature, he does have a vested interest in his clients - and POTENTIAL clients - doing as well as possible.
i would not accosiate my self with someone that did not do good work, and was not serious about what I hired that person to do.
Rob and I had been talking way before the name Pro Division inc, was ever a thought...
I trust Rob and his work so much, that I just hired him to take over my STUDIO website
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Thanks Vinny.
And I think anyone I have worked with can tell you that the obnoxious 240 persona is just for fun. In real life, I am a different person... anxious to make every site better than the last.
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Thanks Vinny.
And I think anyone I have worked with can tell you that the obnoxious 240 persona is just for fun. In real life, I am a different person... anxious to make every site better than the last.
Rob by the way....congrsts on the ULTRA SOUND of the baby....
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Rob by the way....congrsts on the ULTRA SOUND of the baby....
thanks!
It's a BOY :) :) :) :) :)
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Chic, don't think that just because you aren't hearing from the other pros they aren't talking about the PDI. After the Natural Product show in Anaheim this year I got a call and a couple emails from IFBB pros who told me ALLOT of the guys who attended the show were talking about the possibilities of the PDI and going over once their contracts have expired. NO ONE in their right mind would tell you they were thinking of going to the PDI as long as they are still under contract. That would be very stupid.
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I'm sure I speak for 240 and many others when I say that if you were really looking out for the athletes' best interests, you would force them to join PDI - even if it was against their will! They've obviously been cowed into submission by the jackbooted IFBB thugs. It's up to you lead the revolt! The men need a Spartacus, and you're just a Snotacus.
"I'm Spartacus"
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Chic, don't think that just because you aren't hearing from the other pros they aren't talking about the PDI. After the Natural Product show in Anaheim this year I got a call and a couple emails from IFBB pros who told me ALLOT of the guys who attended the show were talking about the possibilities of the PDI and going over once their contracts have expired. NO ONE in their right mind would tell you they were thinking of going to the PDI as long as they are still under contract. That would be very stupid.
Under WHAT contract?
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Under WHAT contract?
Weider
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What difference would it make?
Weider only has publication contracts, and even if 5 athletes wanted to go to the PDI...theres nothing Weider/AMI could do about it anyway...Why the wait?
You're either going, or you aren't...if these alledged athletes have made the decision, there are no reasons to wait to tell the world....
Sounds fishy to me...
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Bob raises a good point. If there is no contract preventing the athletes from jumping ship, then why the hesitation from those IFBB pros complaining?
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What difference would it make?
Weider only has publication contracts, and even if 5 athletes wanted to go to the PDI...theres nothing Weider/AMI could do about it anyway...Why the wait?
You're either going, or you aren't...if these alledged athletes have made the decision, there are no reasons to wait to tell the world....
Sounds fishy to me...
You're kidding right. You think Weider would do nothing if one of his signed contracted athletes was going to compete in the PDI and support Wayne. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. There is absolutely not one person on this board including you that believes that. That is what gives Weider his jollys. The fact that he can control these guys. And right now certain guys are making money from him so why rock the boat right now. I can easily name two guys who told me outright that if their contracts are not renewed they will more than likely go to the PDI. That is a fact. And they both told me that at the show (Natural Product) many of the guys were talking about it. Bob like I said I like you but you don't know everything these guys are thinking.
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Sounds fishy to me...
Bob, I had the swordfish tonight. It was superb. Never had it before. I recommend it. I didn't like the wine as much... 2 long island iced teas made things all better tho
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You're kidding right. You think Weider would do nothing if one of his signed contracted athletes was going to compete in the PDI and support Wayne. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. There is absolutely not one person on this board including you that believes that. That is what gives Weider his jollys. The fact that he can control these guys. And right now certain guys are making money from him so why rock the boat right now. I can easily name two guys who told me outright that if their contracts are not renewed they will more than likely go to the PDI. That is a fact. And they both told me that at the show (Natural Product) many of the guys were talking about it. Bob like I said I like you but you don't know everything these guys are thinking.
If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...
BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?
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BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?
I heard that Joe & Ben feed more to the pigeons in the park than to pro BBers.
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Joe Weider sold the mags 3 years ago, and the nutrition company no longer offers contracts. There are now only AMI Publication deals from what used to be the Weider empire. Somehow Joe and Ben, both of whom are now barely alive, are still seen as the ultimate villains. In fact, they haven't had any real control for about 10 years. They're out of it. Neither could tell you who won the New York Pro. Pecker, another popular villain, owns half the Olympia, but he has nothing else to do with the IFBB. No matter how he spins it, Wayne was in control in his final years in the IFBB and he left the IFBB when he formed the Pro Division 2 years ago in a brazen financial power play -- the barely alive Weiders were and still are convenient scapegoats for him too. Manion is in control now. People need to quit punching at ghosts and forget the Weiders already. Life moved on.
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You're kidding right. You think Weider would do nothing if one of his signed contracted athletes was going to compete in the PDI and support Wayne. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. There is absolutely not one person on this board including you that believes that. That is what gives Weider his jollys. The fact that he can control these guys. And right now certain guys are making money from him so why rock the boat right now. I can easily name two guys who told me outright that if their contracts are not renewed they will more than likely go to the PDI. That is a fact. And they both told me that at the show (Natural Product) many of the guys were talking about it. Bob like I said I like you but you don't know everything these guys are thinking.
What about all the non Weider athletes?
What brother are you referring too her? "That is what gives Weider his jollys. The fact that he can control these guys."
You are so far out of the loop you don't know anything about the current businees.
How can anyone take your claims of having spoken to people seriously considering your so gullible to believe that one of your friends spent $100,000 trying to prove some strands of hair came from the head of a former president! A $100 DNA test would have sufficed.
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What about all the non Weider athletes?
What brother are you referring too her? "That is what gives Weider his jollys. The fact that he can control these guys."
You are so far out of the loop you don't know anything about the current businees.
How can anyone take your claims of having spoken to people seriously considering your so gullible to believe that one of your friends spent $100,000 trying to prove some strands of hair came from the head of a former president! A $100 DNA test would have sufficed.
Kevin don't pretend to know something you have no idea about. Just sit back in your little home with your pot of coffee and read don't type anything. Your input here embarrass you more and more. You are a photogrpaher and thats it. Please don't try to be something you never will be. Take pictures, remember thats all you do.
$100 DNA test. I think you really starting to believe you are smarter than you really are. YOu truly need to take a reality pill and change the filters on your lenses. They are fogging up your perspective in life. I'm surprised you even knew he was a president. I give you credit for at least looking that up.
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Kevin don't pretend to know something you have no idea about. Just sit back in your little home with your pot of coffee and read don't type anything. Your input here embarrass you more and more. You are a photogrpaher and thats it. Please don't try to be something you never will be. Take pictures, remember thats all you do.
$100 DNA test. I think you really starting to believe you are smarter than you really are. YOu truly need to take a reality pill and change the filters on your lenses. They are fogging up your perspective in life. I'm surprised you even knew he was a president. I give you credit for at least looking that up.
I didn't take into consideration the dfierence in costs between the US and the UK but a quick search shows DNA tests to be around $300-500 in the US.
So what on earth did your "friend" spend $100,000 on?
You said she hoped to get close to $1million for it, yet a quick search on Google shows that that's a little optimisic by about 1000%
Are you really that gullible?
And why the reluctance to answer questions?
Oh, I forgot, you know nothing!
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Why should any pro BB jump to the PDI? After all the IFBB has done for them. Why should they give up being treated like shit, given no consideration and be totally disregarded as a human being and be lead by a totally self serving pseudo athletes rep. Add to that the fact that every competitior at The NY Pro had to pay every bit of their own expenses. Where else would you find such royal treatment?
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If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...
BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?
So are you saying that if an athlete is not resigned by ami, then it makes no difference. The inference there is that without an ami contract, you are worthless in the ifbb anyway, you then should go to PDI, or not, either way they make no difference?
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If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...
BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?
It's been demonstrated time and time again that onlyme is living in the past.
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It's been demonstrated time and time again that onlyme is living in the past.
A distorted past at that.
He certainly fits the line "The older we get, the better we were" ;D
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Kevin, it's shelia. Mama fell...
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Kevin, it's shelia. Mama fell...
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So are you saying that if an athlete is not resigned by ami, then it makes no difference. The inference there is that without an ami contract, you are worthless in the ifbb anyway, you then should go to PDI, or not, either way they make no difference?
No, I'm replying to the notion that Keith made...that athletes are waiting till their contracts are up (Weider) to go over to the PDI...I'm saying that it would make no difference if that was their intention, whether they had a contract or not.
Also, MOST IFBB athletes are NOT Weider athletes, for the record....there are about a dozen.
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Also, MOST IFBB athletes are NOT Weider athletes, for the record....there are about a dozen.
So if they are not under contract i:e..no non-compete to enforce then they are free to go/do whatever they want...
But Bob as someone else asked....Let's use Lee Priest...he is doing the NOC but in the latest MD says he may do the Olympia as well. DO you think competing in the PDI will hurt his placing in the Olympia?
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If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...
BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?
That's a good point though I have to laugh, I'm sure onlyme was referring to the organization rather than the person but some guys truly believe that Weider's still pulling the strings and imposing his will. Joe & Ben are probably too busy playing with their grandchildren.
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half baked reference
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half baked reference
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That's a good point though I have to laugh, I'm sure onlyme was referring to the organization rather than the person but some guys truly believe that Weider's still pulling the strings and imposing his will. Joe & Ben are probably too busy playing with their grandchildren.
When you read how Wayne DeMilia is getting "cleared" from responsibilities he had when he was vice president of the IFBB, it's usually references made to how he had to do what Ben and Joe told him to do, or he would be fired...
Personally, I think DeMilia personified the corruption of judging we see today.
I won't pass judgement on his new organisation yet though.
Lets give it a chance.
YIP
Zack
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I didn't give my opinion on the matter...a question was asked, an answer was given.
Monster "can't comprehend what I read"...
of course Bob supports this (suspension of IFBB athletes),
as he essentially thinks of himself as the IFBB.
he is careful not to put his disdain for the PDI in words, which enable him to counter anyones
challenging his 'unbiased' representation of the athletes interests.
he does however air his true feelings with regards to the PDI on his radio show
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So is anyone planning on attending the show or competing?
Does anyone know which Las Vegas it is?
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of course Bob supports this (suspension of IFBB athletes),
as he essentially thinks of himself as the IFBB.
he is careful not to put his disdain for the PDI in words, which enable him to counter anyones
challenging his 'unbiased' representation of the athletes interests.
he does however air his true feelings with regards to the PDI on his radio show
I've tweaked Bob more than once on this board. So I think I'm immune from any accusations of teabagging-the-pro when I point out that you don't need to be an "IFBB stooge" (or however else you want to invalidate Bob's criticisms) to be dismissive of the PDI.
I state again for the record: I hope the PDI flourishes. I hope it teaches the IFBB a sorely needed lesson and proves a fount of riches for the builders. But until it puts more on the table than Wayne DeMilia's "credibility" and a free Yahoo e-mail address, you'll pardon my skepticism.
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So is anyone planning on attending the show or competing?
Does anyone know which Las Vegas it is?
Kevin, have you emailed Wayne to ask him about the event?
I'm sure the information you'll glearn from message board strangers is way more accurate than say, from the man who is organizing the event.
Um...
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Kevin, have you emailed Wayne to ask him about the event?
I'm sure the information you'll glearn from message board strangers is way more accurate than say, from the man who is organizing the event.
Um...
I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is
"All will be revealed in due time...."
Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.
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I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is
"All will be revealed in due time...."
Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.
Soooo- let me get this straight.
You already got the answer form the man running the event. The PDI is not yet ready to announce this information.
Soooo- you hop on a message board, and ask others involved to reveal something that the man in charge will not?
Do you not see why it would be asinine to give you information, Kevin? You wrote Wayne, he didn't give you intel you wanted for your IFBB daddies, so you bitch on the board, and ask those less involved for information.
Man, you're soulless, brother!
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I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is
"All will be revealed in due time...."
Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.
I think he only saysd that to you. Cause he answers every question I ask him. In fact in long length. Could it just be you Kevin. I mean you are just a photographer that really means nothing. your kind is a dime a dozen. So just maybe you aren't worthy fo Wayne's response. Have you thought about that. I mean really, come on you can do absolutely nothing positive or negative for the PDI so why waste time telling you anything.
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I think I get a little mixed up when I mention Weiders cause I am so used to saying it. I mean AMI contracts. Plus, the atheltes who are under contract with major sponsors of IFBB shows have to be careful. Certain companies that sponsor IFBB shows in a big way have to watch out. Lee's sponsor (if I remember right) was a major sponsor of IFBB shows. They paid a hefty amount to have booths at the big shows and banner display and logo placement. But they felt they weren't getting back a good ROI so they decided to look at other avenues. They more than likely will not be involved with the IFBB next year in anyway close to what they were n the past. Now hoepfully PDI will prove to them that supporting them will be worth it. It has already been told on here that the IFBB has made made certain issues be known that if you sponsor PDI you will no longer be able to sponsor IFBB shows. So, this puts a stranglehold on the sponsored pros too.
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I think he only saysd that to you. Cause he answers every question I ask him. In fact in long length. Could it just be you Kevin. I mean you are just a photographer that really means nothing. your kind is a dime a dozen. So just maybe you aren't worthy fo Wayne's response. Have you thought about that. I mean really, come on you can do absolutely nothing positive or negative for the PDI so why waste time telling you anything.
And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media? I mean, what would be the point in holding back? Hillary Clinton has no love lost on Rupert Murdoch, but knows the power of the press. So she's courted him.
If you know detailed info, wouldn't Wayne WANT you to get it out to us, the ticket-buying fan base? Why all the secrecy? I've gotten more detailed info in my mailbox on upcoming local carnivals!
I know, why don't you keep all of your knowledge a secret until the day after the shows. That'll show us!
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And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media?
Of course it would. No organization will ever withhold information about its activities unless it has something to hide.
Whether what Wayne is hiding in this case is disorganization, implosion, or something even worse, I suppose time will tell.
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And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media? I mean, what would be the point in holding back? Hillary Clinton has no love lost on Rupert Murdoch, but knows the power of the press. So she's courted him.
If you know detailed info, wouldn't Wayne WANT you to get it out to us, the ticket-buying fan base? Why all the secrecy? I've gotten more detailed info in my mailbox on upcoming local carnivals!
I know, why don't you keep all of your knowledge a secret until the day after the shows. That'll show us!
Problem is think about the health care. Once wayne announced the info, everyone called the clinic and called for investigations and everything else.
Would anyone here put it past the IFBB to try to sabotage the show if they knew more details? Calling in cancellations, attempting to secure resources they'll need that weekend, etc? Hiring away staff/equipment? Secret contracts? Media rumors? Maybe a big ifbb announcement that weekend just to steal a little pdi thunder?
The IFBB WILL lose millions if the PDI suceeds. They WILL play dirty to ensure some snags pop up. THe minute they know something, they'll post rumors and go after resources.
And since the PDI is a private company, it's his call. If you don't like this system, don't go, Kevin.
Finally, anyone who tells me I'm crazy for thinking that these kinds of dirty tricks aren't played is a complete naive fool. With millions of dollars to lose, people get VERY creative when trying to influence public perception of an event's outcome. The IFBB is ALREADY starting rumors (Have you seen the title to this thread?) and it's only going to get worse.
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Of course it would. No organization will ever withhold information about its activities unless it has something to hide.
Actually, with many events and product lines, the information is TIGHTLY held to ensure that competitors do not copy, improve upon the design, steal, or sabotage the offering BEFORE it hits the market.
For instance, Gilette knows 2-3 years ahead of launch what its next razor will be- but they keep that info very tight. The next Coca-Cola variant is already ready- but we won't hear about it until it's ready to hit shelves.
Once the IFBB has details, they will start attacking every little aspect that they can. You already see Horton, Chic, and the rest of the IFBB Toolshed saying things like 'there is no money' and 'las vegas is cancelled' when they have NO INFORMATION whatsoever about the situation.
Once they have that info, you'll see more and more dirty tricks.
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Would anyone here put it past the IFBB to try to sabotage the show if they knew more details?
Point taken.
But allow me to reply with a tu quoque : Would anyone put it past Wayne to screw over the athletes in pursuit of his own agenda?
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Above all- why shoot the load now when there's 3 months till showtime?
Anyone who doubts Wayne's ability to market... well, if you're in that boat, you've never had a conversation with the man.
I Invite Horton and anyone else to email Wayne and ASK HIM your questions. You bitch about it here, but won't step up and see his reasoning. Part of a successful marketing campaign is NOT to give everything you have at once. Instead, you deliver info slowly and consistently. We've been talking about PDI nonstop for 3 months, and we won't konw half of the info yet. He's doing something right ;)
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Point taken.
But allow me to reply with a tu quoque : Would anyone put it past Wayne to screw over the athletes in pursuit of his own agenda?
His agenda is a sustainable pro BBing federation, right? If he does screw over many athletes, he will not have a sustainable pro Bbing federation.
Something is different right now than in 2004. He has athletes now. I'm not going to tell you why he has athletes- but they're getting a sexy deal that doesn't just mean money- it means HEALTH. I'm not going to announce it, as some jackasses will doubt, hate, piss, moan, lie, belittle, etc. But there is a reason why nearly every guy wants to go to the PDI, even if they're not talking about it.
Wayne's athletes are going to be healthy, and they are going to know what is happening to their bodies. They will be safer, they will be examined, they won't be breaking laws and they won't be in the "on your own" health care situation they face in the IFBB.
So deny, demand details, call names, whatever makes you feel good. But when you learn about it in 10-12weeks, be equally vocal, horton, mmkay?
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His agenda is a sustainable pro BBing federation, right?
So he claims. But he doesn't appear to have earned the reputation of being a man of his word.
If he does screw over many athletes, he will not have a sustainable pro Bbing federation.
Never seemed to stop the IFBB. ;)
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So he claims. But he doesn't appear to have earned the reputation of being a man of his word.
Never seemed to stop the IFBB. ;)
Wayne says that is his goal. I have no reason not to believe him. We live in a country where anything could happen at any time- businesses start and they fail. I can't speak for anything in the past, cause I didn't follow politics back then in BBing. But I can speak on the efficacy of this organization, from the aspects that I have seen. That's about it tho.
IFBB could screw ppl over without consequence, cause they were a monopoly. In a free market, jilted employers are very motivated to work for a competitor :)
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Point taken.
But allow me to reply with a tu quoque : Would anyone put it past Wayne to screw over the athletes in pursuit of his own agenda?
If was to screw the athletes wouldn't that fuck up his agenda bigtime. That is why he won't fuck with the ahtletes cause he knows he needs them more than they need him.
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So he claims. But he doesn't appear to have earned the reputation of being a man of his word.
Never seemed to stop the IFBB. ;)
The problem back then was the IFBB was the only game in town and the Weiders know that they could do anything they wanted to the competitors and what were they going to do. You either play ball or you "don't play ball".
What I don't understand is how people are thinking Wayne was the main problems in the IFBB when Weiders were the boss and giving Wayne the orders. Why do you think guys are switching over. If what some of you say is true about how bad Wayne is why would anyone go over. Wouldn't that be stupid. Especially a new organization tha thas proven nothing yet. But the guys who come over realize that Wayne was an employee of Weider doing his job. They obviously trust Wayne and would rather go with him than stick it out with the IFBB that goes nowhere and does nothing for the members. The only thing and I mean the ONLY thing keeping any of the big name guys from coming right now is the money. They would love to come over but why right now when the money is less than the IFBB has. At least for now. You think Heath, Charles and the others wouldn't being signed on right now if the NOC had a $200,000 purse or even $100,000. They would be in that thing in a second.
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he knows he needs them more than they need him.
Unless Wayne is doing gay-for-pay and/or hustling steroids, I don't see how that's possible.
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They would love to come over but why right now when the money is less than the IFBB has. At least for now. You think Heath, Charles and the others wouldn't being signed on right now if the NOC had a $200,000 purse or even $100,000. They would be in that thing in a second.
I have to disagree with you ... until the PDI is established, up and running ..no pro wants to be blackballed for life. Darrem has made soo much money by doing what he is doing and Phil stands to only earn more as time goes by. IFBB is a sure thing, no matter how much money PDI puts up in their first year. Now if were into year 4 or 5 ..then i could see that happening. The guys who are signed right now have nothin to lose. Vince Taylor has done everyhting under the sun in the IFBB and Lee Preist is on his own planet all together.
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But the guys who come over realize that Wayne was an employee of Weider doing his job.... You think Heath, Charles and the others wouldn't being signed on right now if the NOC had a $200,000 purse or even $100,000.
Heath is being groomed as the next Mr. O when Ronnie finally retires. I don't think he's willing to cash out his dream yet.
Charles does (or at least should) know that 2nd or 3rd place at the Arnold is the best he'll ever do in the IFBB. So sure, he'd go over for a payday. But as you point out, there isn't one there.
And yes, the DeMilia apologists have long claimed that he was "only following orders". But if he'd screw an athlete over for a scumbag like Joe Weider to enrich himself indirectly, why wouldn't he screw over an athlete to enrich himself directly?
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There is a lot of revisionist history going on here. The same people who were vilifying Demilia in the past are ready to make him a Saint. I think Wayne was a little more than the Weider lap dog you guys are making him out to be.
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Soooo- let me get this straight.
You already got the answer form the man running the event. The PDI is not yet ready to announce this information.
Soooo- you hop on a message board, and ask others involved to reveal something that the man in charge will not?
Do you not see why it would be asinine to give you information, Kevin? You wrote Wayne, he didn't give you intel you wanted for your IFBB daddies, so you bitch on the board, and ask those less involved for information.
Man, you're soulless, brother!
Wrong again MP1,
I said I DIDN'T ask him because he always says the same thing.
What I and others find rather odd is that we are less than 12 weeks away from a scheduled PDI qualihyig show, yet there is ZERO information available to athletes, fans, the press and even MP1 and 2.
You constantly bring the IFBB into it, but that is not the issue as it's no their show. It's a PDI one.
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I think he only saysd that to you. Cause he answers every question I ask him. In fact in long length. Could it just be you Kevin. I mean you are just a photographer that really means nothing. your kind is a dime a dozen. So just maybe you aren't worthy fo Wayne's response. Have you thought about that. I mean really, come on you can do absolutely nothing positive or negative for the PDI so why waste time telling you anything.
Ok, I'll accept that Wayne may not want to tell me anything, but why does he want to keep it a secret to the rest of the world?
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What I and others find rather odd is that we are less than 12 weeks away from a scheduled PDI qualihyig show, yet there is ZERO information available to athletes
Are you suggesting that Wayne is doing potential PDI competitors a disservice by giving them less than 12 weeks to prepare for a contest?
Because this isn't the IFBB, you know. The athletes are going to be taken care of when Wayne is running things.
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All of this talk about bigger prize money is great but what is the breakdown? Does the 10th place guy get $1k or is it something worth actually talking about like 15k to make it worth their while and not lose money?
The thing that most of you keep failing to realize or acknowledge is that most of these guys make money through sponsorships and guest posing. If you go to the PDI and there are few sponsors and no guest posings opportunities, the guys out of the top 5 are no better off then staying in the IFBB. At least the IFBB guys have a chance at magazine exposure and endorsements that PAY. Not trade for supplements. Aside from MuscleMag no magazines are showing that they will cover the PDI. MD did initially but we don't see their logo on the flyer, so how much will they really cover it? What other BB mags does that leave to give the athletes exposure?
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What other BB mags does that leave to give the athletes exposure?
Muscle Elegance.
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If you go to the PDI and there are few sponsors and no guest posings opportunities, the guys out of the top 5 are no better off then staying in the IFBB.
Those guys arent even IFBB pros if they place out of a PDI top 5
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Problem is think about the health care. Once wayne announced the info, everyone called the clinic and called for investigations and everything else.
Would anyone here put it past the IFBB to try to sabotage the show if they knew more details? Calling in cancellations, attempting to secure resources they'll need that weekend, etc? Hiring away staff/equipment? Secret contracts? Media rumors? Maybe a big ifbb announcement that weekend just to steal a little pdi thunder?
The IFBB WILL lose millions if the PDI suceeds. They WILL play dirty to ensure some snags pop up. THe minute they know something, they'll post rumors and go after resources.
And since the PDI is a private company, it's his call. If you don't like this system, don't go, Kevin.
Finally, anyone who tells me I'm crazy for thinking that these kinds of dirty tricks aren't played is a complete naive fool. With millions of dollars to lose, people get VERY creative when trying to influence public perception of an event's outcome. The IFBB is ALREADY starting rumors (Have you seen the title to this thread?) and it's only going to get worse.
The health care was bogus. The PDI made a statement that was false plain and simple. No conspiracy there MP1. Call the hospital and ask H.Pope.
So now you're claiming that details of the Vegas show have to be kept secret because the IFBB wil sabotage it! Are you mad? How come details of the NOC are available then?
I asked if the show has been cancelled because there are no details available.
As usual, without any checking of facts you accused me of being a liar and making up the show!
But, unlucky for you, it was on your site - that really must of hurt ;D
Your blind allegiance to your MASTER really makes you look foolish at times. Do yourself a favor, take off his collar.
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Actually, with many events and product lines, the information is TIGHTLY held to ensure that competitors do not copy, improve upon the design, steal, or sabotage the offering BEFORE it hits the market.
For instance, Gilette knows 2-3 years ahead of launch what its next razor will be- but they keep that info very tight. The next Coca-Cola variant is already ready- but we won't hear about it until it's ready to hit shelves.
Once the IFBB has details, they will start attacking every little aspect that they can. You already see Horton, Chic, and the rest of the IFBB Toolshed saying things like 'there is no money' and 'las vegas is cancelled' when they have NO INFORMATION whatsoever about the situation.
Once they have that info, you'll see more and more dirty tricks.
At least when Gillette do launch a product they advertise.
Your lying really does have to stop. I ASKED if the show was cancelled, I didn't say it was.
I agree I had NO INFORMATION, NOBODY HAS!!!!!!
If this was an IFBB event you'd be shouting that ever widening mouth of yours off and claining that the end is nigh and MP2 would be posting his sinking ship photo. But because it's one of your shows, everything is fine and dandy.
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Those guys arent even IFBB pros if they place out of a PDI top 5
Don't forget that one of the revolutionary advancements Wayne has brought to the sport is the handing out of pro cards to builders that Il Duce considers worthy of his esteem.
What's still missing though is a catchy name for this concept. "Pro To-Go"? "Pro Express"? "Pro Lite"?
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All of this talk about bigger prize money is great but what is the breakdown? Does the 10th place guy get $1k or is it something worth actually talking about like 15k to make it worth their while and not lose money?
How can a guy place 10th if there's only 6 guys in the "organization"? Or did Arvilla get his "Pro" card too?
Special "Flame On" Ed
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Cause he answers every question I ask him.
I'm not surprised he talks to you Mr Gullible.
How's your friends hair sale going?
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At least when Gillette do launch a product they advertise.
They also have their own web site.
And a non-Yahoo e-mail address.
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Kevin, your last two posts have been mocking and very negative. I gave you 3 posts with cold logic and real-life implications of shooting your marketing load too early.
The athletes who are interested in doing the shows have been encouraged to contact Wayne. He is giving them the info they need to do shows. Kevin, when you choose to enter a PDI qualifier, I am sure that Wayne will give you that information too.
Kevin, listen man, let's take the insults out of this. We're both better than that... Sorry I went there, and I plan not to again.
Kevin, you're a photographer. I do not claim to know your business training, your experience in competition strategy, or your skill in market delivery of a product or service. If I wanted to know if Nikon owns HP in megapixels, I'm calling you.
However, I do not think you do not have a great understanding of how competition works in America. Here, if Company A learns about Company B's future plans... and B can steal market share and resources/athletes/fans from A resulting in losses of million of $ and possibly overtake A as the monopoly eventually... then A is going to attempt to stop B.
The first response methods might be as simple as sending its employees on boards to bash B. To start rumors about B's shows being cancelled. To attack the character of B's mgmt team. To even start pissing matches with B's outsourced labor, like 240. This is knee jerk PR reaction.
Next, A will secure its own resources. Send memos and Chics out to pass the message that A is strong, B is weak, and leaving A for B will be punished. This is happening now. A will also secure promoters, photogs, web guys, sponsors, expo personnel, and anyone else who B might be using to make the event a success. This is defending your entrenched position.
Then, and this is the case when millions of dollars on the line, A will develop greater plans to defend their industry position. They will give money to vendors to be unavailable that week. They will try to secure infrastructural resources which B will need. They will do other things, but I don't wanna give them any more ideas lol... This, of course, is A's attempt to attack B's "railroad", so that B is too busy putting out small supply fires to attack A any more, which subsequently stifles growth)0
Horton, you're a great photographer. However, I do think that your immediate dismissal of any notion that the IFBB would utilize a few strategic moves (read: dirty tricks) to keep their position is, well, laughable. People with the intelligence to get millions of dollars are typically bright enough to know how to defend those millions of dollars.
Professor 240 has spoken. My consulting fee will be in the mail.
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What I don't understand is how people are thinking Wayne was the main problems in the IFBB when Weiders were the boss and giving Wayne the orders.
Since Wayne was fired not one athlete has been fined or suspended. I wonder how much Wayne would have wanted to fine Lee Priest for pulling out of 2 Olympias in a row?
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Professor 240 has spoken. My consulting fee will be in the mail.
I do have one question, Professor....
Conceding that the IFBB is sleazy enough to try and jack up PDI's shit with money on the line, it's still not clear to me where the "millions" figure you've mentioned twice now is coming from.
The shows surely aren't throwing off that much scratch. So is it sponsorship income? Are the former Weider magazines involved somehow?
I'm sorry if this is an ignorant question. I'm sincerely curious.
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Conceding that the IFBB is sleazy enough to try and jack up PDI's shit with money on the line, it's still not clear to me where the "millions" figure you've mentioned twice now is coming from.
The shows surely aren't throwing off that much scratch. So is it sponsorship income? Are the former Weider magazines involved somehow?
I'm sorry if this is an ignorant question. I'm sincerely curious.
Pro Bbing is a million+ dollar industry. Supps, mags, shows, internet, and whatever comes next. Anyone know what Joe, ben, and Manion, are worth? Anyone know what AMI's BBing publication division is going for these days? I don't really wanna go opening up 10k's and doing research, but I am quite sure it is way up there.
Besides, people play dirty tricks for much smaller industries.
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Kevin, your last two posts have been mocking and very negative. I gave you 3 posts with cold logic and real-life implications of shooting your marketing load too early.
The athletes who are interested in doing the shows have been encouraged to contact Wayne. He is giving them the info they need to do shows. Kevin, when you choose to enter a PDI qualifier, I am sure that Wayne will give you that information too.
Kevin, listen man, let's take the insults out of this. We're both better than that... Sorry I went there, and I plan not to again.
Kevin, you're a photographer. I do not claim to know your business training, your experience in competition strategy, or your skill in market delivery of a product or service. If I wanted to know if Nikon owns HP in megapixels, I'm calling you.
However, I do not think you do not have a great understanding of how competition works in America. Here, if Company A learns about Company B's future plans... and B can steal market share and resources/athletes/fans from A resulting in losses of million of $ and possibly overtake A as the monopoly eventually... then A is going to attempt to stop B.
The first response methods might be as simple as sending its employees on boards to bash B. To start rumors about B's shows being cancelled. To attack the character of B's mgmt team. To even start pissing matches with B's outsourced labor, like 240. This is knee jerk PR reaction.
Next, A will secure its own resources. Send memos and Chics out to pass the message that A is strong, B is weak, and leaving A for B will be punished. This is happening now. A will also secure promoters, photogs, web guys, sponsors, expo personnel, and anyone else who B might be using to make the event a success. This is defending your entrenched position.
Then, and this is the case when millions of dollars on the line, A will develop greater plans to defend their industry position. They will give money to vendors to be unavailable that week. They will try to secure infrastructural resources which B will need. They will do other things, but I don't wanna give them any more ideas lol... This, of course, is A's attempt to attack B's "railroad", so that B is too busy putting out small supply fires to attack A any more, which subsequently stifles growth)0
Horton, you're a great photographer. However, I do think that your immediate dismissal of any notion that the IFBB would utilize a few strategic moves (read: dirty tricks) to keep their position is, well, laughable. People with the intelligence to get millions of dollars are typically bright enough to know how to defend those millions of dollars.
Professor 240 has spoken. My consulting fee will be in the mail.
Ok, I'm more than happy to keep out the personal insults.
If we were discussing the launch of a new razor I would accept what you are saying. But we are not we are dealing with a bodybuilding show. A one day event that requires as much forward publicity as possible to entice both athletes, sponsors and fans.
Let's discuss your "first response methods". I'll assume that you mean me by "it's employees"?
1. I am not an employee of Weider, AMI or the IFBB. If you look back over my postings, I doubt you'll find any that shows me supporting them when people "bash" them.
2. I never said the show was cancelled. Given the fact that there was no information available and we are less than 12 weeks away, don't you think it might be? You talk to Wayne regularly, yet you didn't even know about it, even going as far as to call me a liar!
3. Other than Wayne and Charles Blake I don't know their management team. I have always said that I liked Wayne. When someone posted a horrid flyer, I said I doubted Charles had anything to do with it, because he is a very talented designer.
4. You want to end the "pissing match" then show me some respect and accept that I'm able to make my own opinions. You call me an IFBBTool, I'll maintain you wear Wayne's collar.
As for your other theories, how come we can know about the NOC which is rreally the PDI's flagship show but not a qualifier?
Thank you for the compliment but Sebastiao Salgado is a "great photographer", I just get paid ;D
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Pro Bbing is a million+ dollar industry. Supps, mags, shows, internet, and whatever comes next. Anyone know what Joe, ben, and Manion, are worth? Anyone know what AMI's BBing publication division is going for these days? I don't really wanna go opening up 10k's and doing research, but I am quite sure it is way up there.
Besides, people play dirty tricks for much smaller industries.
Professional bodybuilding as a sport is not a multi million dollar business, it's a very small part of a billion dollar one.
Look at it this way.
Let's assume the PDI has 20 shows next year apart from the NOC.
Wayne, as the head of the organisation will get 200,000 in sanction fees.
The athletes will share a total purse of around $600,000
So 20 promoters have to raise $40K each just to pay those 2 amounts.
Then there's halls. advertising, staff etc. etc. - another $20K plus.
So they have to raise at least $60K from sponsors and ticket sales.
Most don't.
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To even start pissing matches with B's outsourced labor, like 240.
You've claimed to NOT work for PDI.
What work is it that you do for PDI, and how long have you been doing it?
YIP
Zack
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Then, and this is the case when millions of dollars on the line, A will develop greater plans to defend their industry position. They will give money to vendors to be unavailable that week. They will try to secure infrastructural resources which B will need. They will do other things, but I don't wanna give them any more ideas lol... This, of course, is A's attempt to attack B's "railroad", so that B is too busy putting out small supply fires to attack A any more, which subsequently stifles growth)0
Professor 240 has spoken. My consulting fee will be in the mail.
Do you also know the results of next weeks lottery?
That reads almost exactly how I imagine Press Release 14 will.
"Sorry Folks
Show's cancelled due to someone playing dirty tricks on me.
But everything is going to plan, we have our own timetable and we will not be rushed"
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Kevin - is Wayne really planning to charge promoters $10,000 per show just for the privilege of staging a PDI event??
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Kevin - is Wayne really planning to charge promoters $10,000 per show just for the privilege of staging a PDI event??
That's what he said.
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You've claimed to NOT work for PDI.
What work is it that you do for PDI, and how long have you been doing it?
Jack London contacted me a few months back - said he was announcing his intentions and wanted to do it in style. I had already made and sold a PDI fan site, so I had been following the new federation a bit. I liked his Rhino moniker and the fact that he was going to be the first name to go.
Soon, Rhino was an everyday name and I took on more PDI clients. I was contacted about building a radio voice to let the world get to know the PDI guys and to share info about it, so I am doing that.
This week, I'm building a site for an IFBB guy, a PDI guy, a horse vet, a male model, etc. I am an outsourced consultant who delivers a product for a price. I hope the PDI and the IFBB both do well.
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"Sorry Folks
Show's cancelled due to someone playing dirty tricks on me"
The IFBB is going to hire those guys who were going to disrupt the wedding of Ross Perot's daughter.
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Kevin - is Wayne really planning to charge promoters $10,000 per show just for the privilege of staging a PDI event??
That sounds fcuked up.
Reminds me of another organisation too...
Where DeMilia ran the show and fcuked up things.
YIP
Zack
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That's what he said.
$10,000 per license doesn't leave me with a warm, fuzzy feeling.
I think $1000 is a much more reasonable number in year one.
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I've tweaked Bob more than once on this board. So I think I'm immune from any accusations of teabagging-the-pro when I point out that you don't need to be an "IFBB stooge" (or however else you want to invalidate Bob's criticisms) to be dismissive of the PDI.
I state again for the record: I hope the PDI flourishes. I hope it teaches the IFBB a sorely needed lesson and proves a fount of riches for the builders. But until it puts more on the table than Wayne DeMilia's "credibility" and a free Yahoo e-mail address, you'll pardon my skepticism.
Bob is easily "tweaked" as you put it.
the problem with Bob is the fact that he is doing his job i.e. promoting the IFBB, dicrediting any competition,
it is simply the fact that he does all that and then claims to be some kind of unbiased rebel, who defends all the athletes he represents
which is clearly not so.
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the problem with Bob is the fact that he is doing his job i.e. promoting the IFBB, dicrediting any competition,
it is simply the fact that he does all that and then claims to be some kind of unbiased rebel, who defends all the athletes he represents
which is clearly not so.
The athlete's rep should have NO affilation with the IFBB. They cannot exert any control of him when that is the case.
When you have the IFBB athlete's rep getting controversial victories in newly created shows run by the man who the athletes must negotiate with, there is a problem.
A true athlete's rep would be a retired guy, or better yet, a laywer with no professional or personal history/connection with the IFBB brass. He would unite the athletes and damand pay scales, health insurance, and other goodies that the current guy likes to talk about... but...
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Did someone mention Gillette. Here is a major commercial campaign for the new Gillette Probak II. Yes they do advertising and I was lucky enough to help them and many other companies market and advertise their product or service and get paid a whole lot of money. Kevin you are a photographer and thats it. I am a marketeer and have been doing it since 1987.
I have been thinking about the PDI and everything else. I see why some of you may be a little skeptical and some of you hope it fails big time. Me on the other hand even if I am a little skeptical, I am still willling to gut it out and support Wayne cause I think what he is doing is good. If it succeeds then it will be one more thing I can say I was a part of from the beginning and supported it the WHOLE way. Unlike what most (esepcially Kevin and Issac) will do and suck up ONLY if it becomes successful.
The other side of the coin is, if it fails at least Wayne did try to do something instead of sitting back and only talking about it. Me included, at least I am willing to do something instead of just typing bullshit on the internet. Kevin so far all you are is a talker. You have absolutely NO actions to back yourself up. At least Issac has help promote and was involved with a show. You have done nothing. If the PDI fails I tried along with Wayne. I may lose a few grand here and there but it is worth it.
And when you ask about any other PDI show I truly have no idea. There are only 2 shows I care about right now and that is the NOC and my show if I do it. Those are what I know about.
And to tell you the truth I really think the NOC should have been the "kick-off event" for the PDI.
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Did someone mention Gillette. Here is a major commercial campaign for the new Gillette Probak II. Yes they do advertising and I was lucky enough to help them and many other companies market and advertise their product or service and get paid a whole lot of money. Kevin you are a photographer and thats it. I am a marketeer and have been doing it since 1987.
I have been thinking about the PDI and everything else. I see why some of you may be a little skeptical and some of you hope it fails big time. Me on the other hand even if I am a little skeptical, I am still willling to gut it out and support Wayne cause I think what he is doing is good. If it succeeds then it will be one more thing I can say I was a part of from the beginning and supported it the WHOLE way. Unlike what most (esepcially Kevin and Issac) will do and suck up ONLY if it becomes successful.
The other side of the coin is, if it fails at least Wayne did try to do something instead of sitting back and only talking about it. Me included, at least I am willing to do something instead of just typing bullshit on the internet. Kevin so far all you are is a talker. You have absolutely NO actions to back yourself up. At least Issac has help promote and was involved with a show. You have done nothing. If the PDI fails I tried along with Wayne. I may lose a few grand here and there but it is worth it.
And when you ask about any other PDI show I truly have no idea. There are only 2 shows I care about right now and that is the NOC and my show if I do it. Those are what I know about.
And to tell you the truth I really think the NOC should have been the "kick-off event" for the PDI.
So what exactly was your part in the launch of Gillette's new product? Apart from wearing a stupid outfit?
Do you have any other OLD photographs to show, they're fascinating. That one must be 20 years old!
Next you'll be telling me that you helped Applle market their products. God they must have sold millions of computers based on the less than one second you appeared on camera?
Your abilities as a show promoter are a matter of record so I won't comment on that. I just hope Wayne knows.
If you don;t know anything about other PDI shows, then don't make yourself look foolish by calling someone a liar when they ask questions about one that Wayne has announced. Was he lying?
Now we could go on and on bashing each other but it get's tedious to both write and read, so let's draw a line in the sand and see if we can have an adult discussion?
So, as you mentioned that you are now helping Wayne promote the PDI do you think Waynes statement that older athletes are not marketable is a positive one?
Do you think the judges could be swayed by this decision and not place poeple like Jack London, Vince Taylor, Jack Stinton etc.in the top 3 and show preference to younger guys?
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First appearing in a commercial is being part of the advertising campaign. When you are the one picked by executives and casting personel over 100's and in some instances thousands of other people then you are part of the advertising campaign that they have spent thousands of dollars creating. And my one second in that Apple commercial was a huge deal considering they re-wrote the entire commercial to fit me in. And that commercial was HUGE production and was released during the World Series. And don't make fun of me bringing back memories of what I did in my past. For god sakes you take pictures. that is the staple for memories. Pictures are used by everyone to capture the moment so they can re-live their memories forever. So, making fun of me posting my memories is taking a stab at yourself.
Now for the more serious issues. I think anyone is marketable in the right way. Jack is 38 and not a youngster but he is marketable because of his look, his attitude, the fact that he holds a fulltime job while competing in BB as a hobby. He is a college graduate and looks pretty damm good for a guy who trains part time while working full time. Unlike most other pros who have to depend on BB for their income, Jack does not. He is a perfect person to help promote BB to people. He shows people that some BB are not dumb and that BB can be a good hobby. Lee may be older but defintiely not "out". He is still one of the most popular BB in the world. Vince Taylor too is very popular worldwide. Vince is going to bring muscularity and motion together and perform the best posing routines ever seen. It is inevitable tha Vince will bring down the house at every show he does. And we will have a Best Poser Award. We are working on things right now just for that part of the show.
I do know Wayne is trying to appeal to the younger generation and trying to get the girl groupies back into BB. Many girls used to go to shows back in the day. They would go as groups not just with their boyfriends. Wayne is trying to get guys who are big, muscular and good looking so that the appeal to the masses will be greater. But, he also has a mix of all kinds. I do know he wants to stay away from the gut and overly huge guys like Ronnie. Frey is the perfect example of being good looking, big as hell and ripped. He is the PDI's answer to Gunter.
Wayne is picking some great judges. They know BB and they know what to look for. Wayne I am sure will allow judging to be equal for everyone. If Vince looks the best in the show then he will win. Same with Jack, or Lee or whoever else in competing. From what it appears there will be between 20 and 35 competitors at the NOC. Europe will be in the house big time at the NOC. And their are some South Americans too. SO there are going to be allot of great bodies and anyone can win. Everyone is picking Lee to win easy, Don't be so sure. Lee is probably the favorite going in but when everyone sees who else is competing the field will immeditely be leveled.
And I may not know much about the other shows but it is because I chose too. Wayne has told me about the other shows. But it is not my place to say anything. When the time is right Wayne will announce. SO far everything he has told me 6 months ago that was going to happen has come true. EVERYTHING. So as of right now there is no reason for me to think otherwise. And you say no advertising he has done. He does as much as the Olympia and even more. Does the Olympia send out monthly newsletters mailed directly to BB fans keeping people informed whats happening. The NOC has ads in two major US magazines starting this month plus interviews. Plus European mags. Plus all the exposure the PDI receves on every BB board in the world. EVen the bad shit said about it is still good cause people are talking. Thats all that counts.
This was nice
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And my one second in that Apple commercial was a huge deal considering they re-wrote the entire commercial to fit me in.
What did they have to rewrite? It's a less than one second clip of footage. Even taking into consideration they probably would not have the benefits of a non-linear system - I guess it was done pre Avid? - It would have taken 5 minutes.
Keith, we are probably all guilty of bolstering up our past, but you're going over board now ;D
Has your friend sold the hair yet?
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I think anyone is marketable in the right way. Jack is 38 and not a youngster but he is marketable because of his look, his attitude, the fact that he holds a fulltime job while competing in BB as a hobby. He is a college graduate and looks pretty damm good for a guy who trains part time while working full time.
I agree 100% percent. But Wayne is on record as saying differently.
Let's Hug :o
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What did they have to rewrite? It's a less than one second clip of footage. Even taking into consideration they probably would not have the benefits of a non-linear system - I guess it was done pre Avid? - It would have taken 5 minutes.
Keith, we are probably all guilty of bolstering up our past, but you're going over board now ;D
Has your friend sold the hair yet?
I went in originally for the football player part. When I got there just about every pro football player in LA was there. When I went in for the interview all they did was slate. They asked me what positioned Iplayed I told them I didn't play football I was a professional armwrestler. I was leaving the next day for Vegas to work on a movie called Over the Top with Stallone. They said wow thats great and thank you. I thought that was all and that it was a waste of time. 2 weeks later my agent called me and said what did you say to them cause they decided to add armwrestling to the commercial and I got it. That was a huge national campaign and even though I was on there for a very short time as were everyone that commercial paid me more than I am sure most people make ina few months. And it took us less an hour to shoot after blocking.
Hair hasn't sold yet goes to auction in Sept. I am sure you'll be there bidding away.
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Kevin, your last two posts have been mocking and very negative. I gave you 3 posts with cold logic and real-life implications of shooting your marketing load too early.
The athletes who are interested in doing the shows have been encouraged to contact Wayne. He is giving them the info they need to do shows. Kevin, when you choose to enter a PDI qualifier, I am sure that Wayne will give you that information too.
Kevin, listen man, let's take the insults out of this. We're both better than that... Sorry I went there, and I plan not to again.
Kevin, you're a photographer. I do not claim to know your business training, your experience in competition strategy, or your skill in market delivery of a product or service. If I wanted to know if Nikon owns HP in megapixels, I'm calling you.
However, I do not think you do not have a great understanding of how competition works in America. Here, if Company A learns about Company B's future plans... and B can steal market share and resources/athletes/fans from A resulting in losses of million of $ and possibly overtake A as the monopoly eventually... then A is going to attempt to stop B.
The first response methods might be as simple as sending its employees on boards to bash B. To start rumors about B's shows being cancelled. To attack the character of B's mgmt team. To even start pissing matches with B's outsourced labor, like 240. This is knee jerk PR reaction.
Next, A will secure its own resources. Send memos and Chics out to pass the message that A is strong, B is weak, and leaving A for B will be punished. This is happening now. A will also secure promoters, photogs, web guys, sponsors, expo personnel, and anyone else who B might be using to make the event a success. This is defending your entrenched position.
Then, and this is the case when millions of dollars on the line, A will develop greater plans to defend their industry position. They will give money to vendors to be unavailable that week. They will try to secure infrastructural resources which B will need. They will do other things, but I don't wanna give them any more ideas lol... This, of course, is A's attempt to attack B's "railroad", so that B is too busy putting out small supply fires to attack A any more, which subsequently stifles growth)0
Horton, you're a great photographer. However, I do think that your immediate dismissal of any notion that the IFBB would utilize a few strategic moves (read: dirty tricks) to keep their position is, well, laughable. People with the intelligence to get millions of dollars are typically bright enough to know how to defend those millions of dollars.
Professor 240 has spoken. My consulting fee will be in the mail.
So the PDI marketing plan for the Vegas show is to keep it a secret? Pure genius. If they are so worried about the IFBB sending out their goon squad to sabotage the show (like you tried to do to Shawn's show) ,how come they have no problems giving out details well in advance for the NOC? I'll tell you why because THERE IS NO VEGAS SHOW. You are not as good of a con artist as you think you are, those of us with brains see right through your bullshit.
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So the PDI marketing plan for the Vegas show is to keep it a secret? Pure genius. If they are so worried about the IFBB sending out their goon squad to sabotage the show (like you tried to do to Shawn's show) ,how come they have no problems giving out details well in advance for the NOC? I'll tell you why because THERE IS NO VEGAS SHOW. You are not as good of a con artist as you think you are, those of us with brains see right through your bullshit.
Well it's now only 11 weeks away and still no news. This show will go down in history as the least publicized ever.
Still at least we know that it has not been cancelled because "Onlyme" said so and we know he talks to Wayne.
Anyone fancy meeting up at the Hard Rock for lunch that day and then playing "Hunt the Show"?
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LOL @ Horton resurrecting this thread every 48 hours like clockwork.
Kev, email Wayne and ask him yourself, dude. You're pissing and moaning cause you don't know this info... have you asked the guy actually running the show yet?
Kevin, if you've been bitching for weeks about not having details, but haven't emailed Wayne directly and asked him... that's kinda pathetic bro.
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LOL @ Horton resurrecting this thread every 48 hours like clockwork.
Kev, email Wayne and ask him yourself, dude. You're pissing and moaning cause you don't know this info... have you asked the guy actually running the show yet?
Kevin, if you've been bitching for weeks about not having details, but haven't emailed Wayne directly and asked him... that's kinda pathetic bro.
No need to ask Wayne, we all know the answer.
Only official "MP's'" are granted info rights.
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No need to ask Wayne, we all know the answer.
Awesome response.
Horton, how did you get this far without Darwinism punching your card at some point?
When you were hungry as a kid, did you complain to your toys that you were hungry? Or did you ask mommy for a cookie?
When you wanted to get laid as a teenager, did you bitch to your diary, or did you go up to some girls and ask them out?
Now that you're all growned up, and you want information about a PDI show, do you complain on message boards that you don't know... or do you email the man running the event and ask him?
;)
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Awesome response.
Horton, how did you get this far without Darwinism punching your card at some point?
When you were hungry as a kid, did you complain to your toys that you were hungry? Or did you ask mommy for a cookie?
When you wanted to get laid as a teenager, did you bitch to your diary, or did you go up to some girls and ask them out?
Now that you're all growned up, and you want information about a PDI show, do you complain on message boards that you don't know... or do you email the man running the event and ask him?
;)
That's an awful long post to say "Call Wayne"
Why do you post so many questions when you could just go to the source?
What's your take on the situation, is it a go or no go?
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That's an awful long post to say "Call Wayne"
Why do you post so many questions when you could just go to the source?
What's your take on the situation, is it a go or no go?
When possible, I always go to a source. When the source ignores or deceives me, i post the Q as a theory to the boards. You have skipped the very important step of simply being a professional and emailing wayne and asking him. Instead, you post a sensationalist headline with no basis in fact. believe me, I know sensationalism, and I've been guilty myself. :)
But when you do it, your intent is nefarious. You take pictures for IFBB magazines. Your rumors are aimed at discrediting the PDI. You are very obviously attempting to cast doubt on this show, to hurt the PDI, which will help your employer.
if you were genuinely curious, you would have emailed Wayne 2 weeks ago, instead of arguing on message boards with strangers about a rumor you started. You wanted to try to hurt the PDI's reputation.
Monster unprofessionalism, dude.
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When possible, I always go to a source. When the source ignores or deceives me, i post the Q as a theory to the boards. You have skipped the very important step of simply being a professional and emailing wayne and asking him. Instead, you post a sensationalist headline with no basis in fact. believe me, I know sensationalism, and I've been guilty myself. :)
But when you do it, your intent is nefarious. You take pictures for IFBB magazines. Your rumors are aimed at discrediting the PDI. You are very obviously attempting to cast doubt on this show, to hurt the PDI, which will help your employer.
if you were genuinely curious, you would have emailed Wayne 2 weeks ago, instead of arguing on message boards with strangers about a rumor you started. You wanted to try to hurt the PDI's reputation.
Monster unprofessionalism, dude.
So is the show on or off?
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So is the show on or off?
As far as I know, the show is on, Kev-O. I am a web designer who works with PDI pros. I'm not a show promoter. I can help you with HTML or Flash questions, but I am not a PDI spokesman, and it would be unprofessional for me to claim to be.
If all you wanted was the opinion of a web designer, why didn't you just say that, Kev?
Topic of this thread should have been "What does 240 think about an upcoming show?"
Sad, Horton. You're scared to email Wayne, huh? lol...
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For the record the Toronto Pro was cancelled. That is an IFBB show. It was cancelled not moved back or postponed. It was cancelled. Kevin I hope this helps in your intepretation of cancelled. Other than that your employer needs to find someone that has some kind of ingenuity to post on here to attempt to make the PDI look bad. Cause you aren't very good or reputable enough. You aren't very creative. Everyone knows they (IFBB) emails you with topics to bring up about the PDI. Be creative. You're a photographer. And what I don't understand is that you have mentioned on here numerous times how you are friends with Wayne and have talked to him allot the time and so on and so on, yet you can't just email him or call him yourself to find out the answer. Are you afraid? Can't you go to your neighbors house and use their phone since yours obviously doesn't have long distance capabilities? I take it business is really slow for you right now. What happened with all your IFBB work. Pretty soon you aren't going to be able to use the computer at the library anymore. Waht are you going to do.
The one good thing you are doing and that is keeping this thread going and the "views" of it up so at least people can keep the PDI in their heads.
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For the record the Toronto Pro was cancelled. That is an IFBB show. It was cancelled not moved back or postponed. It was cancelled. Kevin I hope this helps in your intepretation of cancelled. Other than that your employer needs to find someone that has some kind of ingenuity to post on here to attempt to make the PDI look bad. Cause you aren't very good or reputable enough. You aren't very creative. Everyone knows they (IFBB) emails you with topics to bring up about the PDI. Be creative. You're a photographer. And what I don't understand is that you have mentioned on here numerous times how you are friends with Wayne and have talked to him allot the time and so on and so on, yet you can't just email him or call him yourself to find out the answer. Are you afraid? Can't you go to your neighbors house and use their phone since yours obviously doesn't have long distance capabilities? I take it business is really slow for you right now. What happened with all your IFBB work. Pretty soon you aren't going to be able to use the computer at the library anymore. Waht are you going to do.
The one good thing you are doing and that is keeping this thread going and the "views" of it up so at least people can keep the PDI in their heads.
So is the show on or off?
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So is the show on or off?
Kev,
you may be right or you may be wrong and only time will tell.
But, please, do yourself a favour: keep a little self respect.
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Kev,
you may be right or you may be wrong and only time will tell.
But, please, do yourself a favour: keep a little self respect.
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As far as I know, the show is on, Kev-O. I am a web designer who works with PDI pros. I'm not a show promoter. I can help you with HTML or Flash questions, but I am not a PDI spokesman, and it would be unprofessional for me to claim to be.
If all you wanted was the opinion of a web designer, why didn't you just say that, Kev?
Topic of this thread should have been "What does 240 think about an upcoming show?"
Sad, Horton. You're scared to email Wayne, huh? lol...
For someone who claims to NOT be a PDI spokesman, you certainly start a lot of posts about them.
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Kev,
you may be right or you may be wrong and only time will tell.
But, please, do yourself a favour: keep a little self respect.
Hey Georgio,
Nice to see you back.
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So is the show on or off?
Ask Demilia
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For someone who claims to NOT be a PDI spokesman, you certainly start a lot of posts about them.
It's very interesting, and I work with a lot of the PDI pros! I was asked to build an online radio station! I love the idea of competition for the IFBB! Athletes will get more money and there will be more shows to follow!
And you're backpeddling now, Kev. Either ask Wayne, or drop it. You look pathetic now.
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For someone who claims to NOT be a PDI spokesman, you certainly start a lot of posts about them.
And for someone who is so against the PDI and works for the IFBB, you sure do keep the threads going. And I bet your posts in every PDI thread comes pretty close to outnumbering mine or 240's.
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Ask Demilia
Just did.
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Hey Georgio,
Nice to see you back.
It's the second time you called me Giorgio (that is the right spelling) and for the second time you get it wrong.
Kev, really, you are getting pathetic and your bosses won't even thank you.
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It's the second time you called me Giorgio (that is the right spelling) and for the second time you get it wrong.
Kev, really, you are getting pathetic and your bosses won't even thank you.
;D
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It's the second time you called me Giorgio (that is the right spelling) and for the second time you get it wrong.
Kev, really, you are getting pathetic and your bosses won't even thank you.
Insider Z is not Giorgio, and I'd put $ down on that, kevin.
Horton, you do know that hundreds of industry people are reading this thread. At this point, you're embarassing the IFBB as well as yourself. Let it go.
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At this point, you're embarassing the IFBB as well as yourself. Let it go.
Not as embarassed as you must have been when you said this
"Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate.
Please show me in the press releases where the Vegas show is scheduled.
"there was talk" is a tad unaccountable. There can be talk about anything. Who made this talk? Speak on it."
Amazing how a simple question about a show could create such anger.
Are people only allowed to question the IFBB?
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Horton, I readily admitted I was incorrect- that I don't pay very much attention to the qualifiers, and that they slipped my mind. I admitted i was wrong. moster repeat/redirect, tho!
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What is the date of the NOC- and the venue? I will call to ask if the venue has been set aside for the NOC on that date.
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What is the date of the NOC- and the venue? I will call to ask if the venue has been set aside for the NOC on that date.
(http://pdiradio.com/noc1.jpg)
(http://pdiradio.com/noc2.jpg)
(http://pdiradio.com/noc3.jpg)
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I called the box office and was connected to a recording. Listened for a few minutes, but it appears that tickets for any given show do not go on sale until 3 weeks before that show, so in this case, the last week of August, I assume.
The recording was made May 27th and was apparently only explaining events up to three weeks hence, so I cannot confirm whether the poster information (thank you for that) is indeed connected to the theater schedule.
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Ask Demilia
The question has been asked.
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Joe, you should email Wayne and ask to speak to him on the phone. He gave me a lot of details about the show, hotel, and venue which I do not remember/grasp as a Fla cracker who has never been to NY, but will definintely make more sense to you.
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The question has been asked.
And...?
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And he said he's have to check with his PR director in Florida to see what he is allowed to say about the subject.
So...?
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And he said he's have to check with his PR director in Florida to see what he is allowed to say about the subject.
You're making "Onlyme" jealous now. He's still upset that Wayne went with the $300 website rather than the $400.
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I've also asked Wayne to explain why three of the European Shows were dropped from his schedule.
240, do you have any info on that?
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I can understand not having a full slate of Euro-shows, but they're still planning the October trifecta, right? That's going to be the weekend from hell for those competitors...3 shows in 3 days is just nuts, if all the guys are in actual contest form.
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Ok, here's the scoop:
The Night of Champions is going to mark the official debut of the PDI.
The Orlando qualifier is slated to be held in conjunction with a MMA event planned for later this year (date TBD).
The Las Vegas qualifier is expected to be held next spring (date TBD).
To put it bluntly, they've got some very exciting plans for 2007 and I cannot wait to get my first taste when the PDI comes west next year.
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Not as embarassed as you must have been when you said this
"Horton, making up shows, then cancelling them, is a weak approach to debate.
Please show me in the press releases where the Vegas show is scheduled.
"there was talk" is a tad unaccountable. There can be talk about anything. Who made this talk? Speak on it."
Amazing how a simple question about a show could create such anger.
Are people only allowed to question the IFBB?
horton, your devotion to the ifbb is commendable.
though in this thread you come off as a ranting lunatic...
please maintain your composure when you post, your ifbb puppet masters are already pleased with your work
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The walls come tumbling down.
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What is the date of the NOC- and the venue? I will call to ask if the venue has been set aside for the NOC on that date.
You are a little late Joe. ALready confirmed and selling tickets. Sorry man wake up earlier
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Ok, here's the scoop:
The Night of Champions is going to mark the official debut of the PDI.
The Orlando qualifier is slated to be held in conjunction with a MMA event planned for later this year (date TBD).
The Las Vegas qualifier is expected to be held next spring (date TBD).
To put it bluntly, they've got some very exciting plans for 2007 and I cannot wait to get my first taste when the PDI comes west next year.
Well I'm glad someone finally was able to get the real answers and post them. I have known about the Florida show for sometime. The month is Nov. The MMA is a PPV and huge. The sponsors are rolling in for that event and to have the FLorida show during this event will allow for more sponsors and a whole lot more exposure for them. Wayne's main thing is to make enough for the promoter in order to pay off the debt from his last show. With it now being held during a major event, the dollars will be there and it will give the competitors a ton more exposure and possibilities. SO I know Kevin won't be able to handle this and will misinterpret it but the show has been moved NOT cancelled. Not like the IFBB Toronto Pro whihc was CANCELLED. Thanks Tre
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Well I'm glad someone finally was able to get the real answers and post them. I have known about the Florida show for sometime. The month is Nov. The MMA is a PPV and huge. The sponsors are rolling in for that event and to have the FLorida show during this event will allow for more sponsors and a whole lot more exposure for them. Wayne's main thing is to make enough for the promoter in order to pay off the debt from his last show. With it now being held during a major event, the dollars will be there and it will give the competitors a ton more exposure and possibilities. SO I know Kevin won't be able to handle this and will misinterpret it but the show has been moved NOT cancelled. Not like the IFBB Toronto Pro whihc was CANCELLED. Thanks Tre
You have to admit that with 5 shows now "postponed" things aren't looking too good?
Talking of sponsors, I hear the "Get to meet the sponsors" party held in NY recently was a really "happy" event. was you there?
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Ok, here's the scoop:
The Night of Champions is going to mark the official debut of the PDI.
The Orlando qualifier is slated to be held in conjunction with a MMA event planned for later this year (date TBD).
The Las Vegas qualifier is expected to be held next spring (date TBD).
To put it bluntly, they've got some very exciting plans for 2007 and I cannot wait to get my first taste when the PDI comes west next year.
I personally think the NOC will be the Debut and the Finale of the PDI. Both parties will realize they kind of need the other, shit will get smoothed over and that's that.
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Kevin thats weak. Mine is better
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Kevin thats weak. Mine is better
Yes a better photo though it's the PDI who appear to be in trouble not the IFBB.
I know you're a staunch supporter of the PDI and hate the IFBB/NPC but surely even you can see that your boys are facing a serious PR problem right now?
It's looking like 2004 again. 2 qualifying shows "postponed" along with 3 Euro Pro Shows.
They didn't even issue a press release explaining why, it took Tre to find out for us all. How much respect does that show to the athletes and fans?
Add the fact that the PDI do not consider some of their recent signings to be marketable and it's looking like an uphill struggle.
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Ok, here's the scoop:
The Night of Champions is going to mark the official debut of the PDI.
The Orlando qualifier is slated to be held in conjunction with a MMA event planned for later this year (date TBD).
The Las Vegas qualifier is expected to be held next spring (date TBD).
To put it bluntly, they've got some very exciting plans for 2007 and I cannot wait to get my first taste when the PDI comes west next year.
is this post the official PDI press release? ;D
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Horton,
how much has peter mcgough paid you to defend the ifbb on this board?
or is it a favour for an old friend?
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Horton,
how much has peter mcgough paid you to defend the ifbb on this board?
or is it a favour for an old friend?
Zero
I can't recollect defending the IFBB.
No
Do you allow people to have their own opionion?