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Title: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 03:17:00 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standerd to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems trouble free. Seems to  me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race.Wonder why Irving still has his job?Pure bullshit, I hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally. Irvin has always been a moron but this seals the deal.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 27, 2006, 03:21:04 PM
well, that's a pretty benign joke that i as a white white white boy find amusing.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 03:24:10 PM
well, that's a pretty benign joke that i as a white white white boy find amusing.


If the roles where reversed and that was jaws or a white commenter he would be fired. There would be outrage. Jesse jackson would be crying in public etc etc.

I am for equal rights for all. but people cannot act this way and have a double standard.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: dan18 on November 27, 2006, 03:25:06 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standers to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems scot free. Seems to me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race. Wonder why Irving still has his job. Pure bullshit i hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally.
because we have all been programed to feel sorry that the black man was a slave
at one time and they were opressed yea it sucked and im in no way saying it was right but fuck let it go.........blacks now get a free pass to say what they want.

I mean shit no one had it worse than the jews and instead of crying they took over the world well at least hollywood...


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Blockhead on November 27, 2006, 03:28:10 PM
 It is because the liberal media thinks we 'owe' negores in this country something when the truth is we don't owe their black a$$es a got-damn THANG!

 It is perfectly fine for negroes to commit 'hate' crimes against whites and say whatever they want against 'whiteys'. It's fine. No...really we 'owe' them. They were slaves so...


 I watched 'Original Kings of Comedy' last night. I love it...so funny. Lots and lots of cracks and digs against 'white people'.

 Put 'the blue collar comedy tour' on stage and let Ron White say something like...'Yea, my dog...my bulldog don't like negores...he barks at them...'

 Or let Jeff Foxworthy have a skit where he says...'If you have 2LiveCrew playing at your reception and 'Big Mama' gets up to pump her ass...yooooou might be a negroe...

 If you call Cherry flavor Koolaid as RED...yooooou might be a negroe!'

 Watch how that will fly.

 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 27, 2006, 03:32:29 PM
irvin is an idiot.


jimmy the greek got fired for telling it like it is a couple decades back.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: gordiano on November 27, 2006, 03:44:36 PM

If the roles where reversed and that was jaws or a white commenter he would be fired. There would be outrage. Jesse jackson would be crying in public etc etc.

I am for equal rights for all. but people cannot act this way and have a double standard.

Yep, you are right.


Huge double standard.


Irvin is a jackass anyways. Don't know how he manages to keep that job...........


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Blockhead on November 27, 2006, 03:48:56 PM

 This thread and Jesse Jackass makes me want to drop the 'NBomb'.

 Remember when that mess came out about Jesse Jackhole having a daughter and a secret mistress outside his marriage? Back in 2000.

 This radio station had this 'shockjock'. Mancow Muller. He had his crew go to Jesse jacksons' crib...park right out in front and play the song 'Jesses's Girl!' over the loud speakers on top of the van...really loud.

 Cops were called asap...it was great!


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: RUDE BUOY on November 27, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
hi im micheal richards and i approve of micheal irvin


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 03:51:53 PM
Considering this country's history, a little double-standard won't kill anyone as long as it eventually gets old and goes away.

As far as Irvin's persona, you can be sure that just like Steven A. Smith, he creates controvery in the same way Howard Cosell did. Makes it more interesting than just listening to the same politically correct "analysts" all the time.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: theworm on November 27, 2006, 03:52:34 PM
double standard... its ok for Chris Rock to run around and yell the N word 1000 times, but Kramer does it and its a big "no-no."



anyway, wasn't it Mohammad Ali, when in Africa, he said "thank God my grandparents got on the boat"?  i think so.  


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Parker on November 27, 2006, 03:53:49 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standerd to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems trouble free. Seems to  me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race.Wonder why Irving still has his job?Pure bullshit, I hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally. Irvin has always been a moron but this seals the deal.

Because, Romo doesn't. Point Blank. Aikman, Manning, Vick, McNair, they do. Plus Michael was a Cowboy, Romo is Cowboy, and former Cowboys are super critical of those who don't match up to the Cowboy QB God: Troy Aikman.

I think Irvin is smokin something with some of the higher ups, or scrweing somebody's daughter, or both. because I can't understand how he got that job, give it to Aikman, Riggins, Cunningham, someone else.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Mobil on November 27, 2006, 03:55:22 PM
heres a link to the whole story:

http://nfl.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/22/michael-irvin-says-tony-romos-athleticism-is-due-to-black-ances/

his comments dont offend me, i never get offended by racial comments towards whites. i just get pissed off at the double standard.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Blockhead on November 27, 2006, 03:57:26 PM
double standard... its ok for Chris Rock to run around and yell the N word 1000 times, but Kramer does it and its a big "no-no."



anyway, wasn't it Mohammad Ali, when in Africa, he said "thank God my grandparents got on the boat"?  i think so.  
Mohammad Ali's grandparents didn't GET ON the boat...

 They were FORCED ON...the boat.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 03:57:44 PM
Because, Romo doesn't. Point Blank. Aikman, Manning, Vick, McNair, they do. Plus Michael was a Cowboy, Romo is Cowboy, and former Cowboys are super critical of those who don't match up to the Cowboy QB God: Troy Aikman.

I think Irvin is smokin something with some of the higher ups, or scrweing somebody's daughter, or both. because I can't understand how he got that job, give it to Aikman, Riggins, Cunningham, someone else.

They need more guys like Irvin on the air, instead of boring, politically correct football announcers. Riggins should be one of them. LT could be another. Aikman's boring.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on November 27, 2006, 03:57:53 PM
Didn't Irvin say something about Romo's distant relative mating with one of the black slaves or something like that? I thought the quote was something about her pulling a black stud slave out of the fields.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: RUDE BUOY on November 27, 2006, 03:58:03 PM
what you ladies seem to forget is we live in a racist society every body hates everyone else and the other groups to blame


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Mobil on November 27, 2006, 04:03:09 PM
what you ladies seem to forget is we live in a racist society every body hates everyone else and the other groups to blame

well its human nature.. if everyone was white you would still have people clinging to differnt groups. tall people versus short people etc... blondes vs brunettes...


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: RUDE BUOY on November 27, 2006, 04:05:30 PM
well its human nature.. if everyone was white you would still have people clinging to differnt groups. tall people versus short people etc... blondes vs brunettes...
thats right it in us to pond together with what makes us similar to some people


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: dr.chimps on November 27, 2006, 04:07:51 PM
irvin is an idiot.


jimmy the greek got fired for telling it like it is a couple decades back.
Yup, I remember this. He said 'look at that little monkey run' but I can't remember who he was referring to.  :o


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: RUDE BUOY on November 27, 2006, 04:09:07 PM
Yup, I remember this. He said 'look at that little monkey run' but I can't remember who he was referring to.  :o
jimmy you gomba come back :'(


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 04:12:43 PM
what you ladies seem to forget is we live in a racist society every body hates everyone else and the other groups to blame


I understand that. The point of the post was to shed light on the double standard some African people adhere to. If this was a white announcer and the tables where turned all hell would be breaking loose. Jbbs would be lost, carrers over. Labeled a rascist for the rest of his life etc etc. That is a fact!


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 27, 2006, 04:12:59 PM
when will you non- minority people realize that unless you walk in OUR shoes you can never understand how it is to NOT be white in America... :'( :'( :'(


















but nothing wrong with going slumin every now and again.... ;)


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: gtbro1 on November 27, 2006, 04:14:31 PM
Yup, I remember this. He said 'look at that little monkey run' but I can't remember who he was referring to.  :o

hahahah I hope you are joking cause that isn't what he said.  ;D


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: RUDE BUOY on November 27, 2006, 04:16:37 PM

I understand that. The point of the post was to shed light on the double standard some African people adhere to. If this was a white announcer and the tables where turned all hell would be breaking loose. Jbbs would be lost, carrers over. Labeled a rascist for the rest of his life etc etc. That is a fact!
but dude in the same way hell is kinda breaken lose because your mad and now your online talking about it and everyone sees this and starts talking about it


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Mobil on November 27, 2006, 04:20:50 PM
when will you non- minority people realize that unless you walk in OUR shoes you can never understand how it is to NOT be white in America... :'( :'( :'(


















but nothing wrong with going slumin every now and again.... ;)

yes i agree.. im white therefore i im rich, correct? im white therefore life is easy, correct? im white so i dont have to work hard for my money, correct?  well that seems to be the impression alot of non-white americans percieve whites.. that we are all rich and happy. so ive been told.... it seems as though whites in america dont live hard lives and are given everything.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: dr.chimps on November 27, 2006, 04:25:16 PM
hahahah I hope you are joking cause that isn't what he said.  ;D
Nope, not joking. And later, he ran his mouth on Blacks and jewellery. I think that was the last straw for the network. Any other older guys remember any of this?


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Tre on November 27, 2006, 04:28:49 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standerd to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems trouble free. Seems to  me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race.Wonder why Irving still has his job?Pure bullshit, I hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally. Irvin has always been a moron but this seals the deal.

Michael Irvin gets paid to be humorous at times.

Some of 'you people' need to learn to take a joke. 



Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Blockhead on November 27, 2006, 04:31:52 PM

 Hahahaha! Hello, KETTLE...this is POT...what did you call me again? Oh...BLACK!

 No...more like some of 'your peoples' need to stop being their own worst enemy and realize that Lincoln freed them like...200 yrs ago. 'They' had plenty of time to get their acts together.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 27, 2006, 04:34:23 PM
yes i agree.. im white therefore i im rich, correct? im white therefore life is easy, correct? im white so i dont have to work hard for my money, correct?  well that seems to be the impression alot of non-white americans percieve whites.. that we are all rich and happy. so ive been told.... it seems as though whites in america dont live hard lives and are given everything.


i empathize with white trash people too...but its a $$$ thing..it alwaays is


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Tre on November 27, 2006, 05:07:09 PM
i empathize with white trash people too...but its a $$$ thing..it alwaays is

Exactly.

I couldn't stand Michael Irvin during his football career and my disdain for him had nothing to do with the fact that he played for a team I hated (and that team was successful).  I didn't like his attitude, nor did I like the fact that a high profile Black athlete was constantly in the news because of drug-related issues.  I don't remember all the details at this time, but in his case, we were not talking about a few marijuana leaves...he was into the heavy stuff. 

But, the guy apparently cleaned himself up and got his act together and in recent years, he's been a very entertaining football analyst.  He re-invented himself and he's a TV star, once again, and that's what makes America so great.
 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: gtbro1 on November 27, 2006, 05:14:11 PM
Nope, not joking. And later, he ran his mouth on Blacks and jewellery. I think that was the last straw for the network. Any other older guys remember any of this?

What he said was that slave owners would breed the strongest males with the strongest females to make better field workers,and that was why the black athletes of today were superior to the whites...because they had been bred that way.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 05:17:52 PM
Michael Irvin gets paid to be humorous at times.

Some of 'you people' need to learn to take a joke. 



Exactly; more announcers with personality are needed.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 05:21:51 PM
hahahah I hope you are joking cause that isn't what he said.  ;D

Jimmy just stated that "the blacks" were bred to be superior during slavery, via the "big black" man & woman. Too honest for some.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: dr.chimps on November 27, 2006, 05:25:19 PM
What he said was that slave owners would breed the strongest males with the strongest females to make better field workers,and that was why the black athletes of today were superior to the whites...because they had been bred that way.
You are correct,Sir. A bud just told me that the monkey comment was made by Howard Cossell. I guess I'm getting blurry as I age.  :-\


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Tre on November 27, 2006, 05:26:54 PM
What he said was that slave owners would breed the strongest males with the strongest females to make better field workers,and that was why the black athletes of today were superior to the whites...because they had been bred that way.

I don't believe it makes anyone 'racist' to say that certain cultures have an inbred superiority over others in certain areas.  Sure, there are notable exceptions in everything, but 'selective breeding' is a very real concept and it's a practice that goes on today.  

If a male is only 5-10 and he comes from a family of males ranging in height from 5-9 to 6-1 and he mates with a woman who's only 5-5, then the chances of him having a 6-foot-tall son (or daughter) are very slim.  If, however, that same male mates with a woman who's also 5-10 and from a family where the men are typically 5-10 to 6-4, then their chances of having a tall son or daughter are greatly increased.  It doesn't offer a guarantee, mind you, it just improves the odds.  

Steffi Graf and Andre Agassi have children together.  There's a strong likelihood that their son and daughter will be pretty good athletes.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 27, 2006, 05:31:41 PM
Dude, I can understand the double standard, and im not black.  Shit, I only have three black dudes that I consistantly hang with, but we dont ever see each other as being different, we joke about the shit, and that is what needs to happen in order for us to break down these barriers.  Let em rag on whitey for a while, shit, it wasnt until the 80's that segregation due to "bussing" was outlawed.  believe me, I am not for free rides, but the playing field hasnt been level since the slaves were freed as some of you are suggesting.  Plus, that shit Irvin said was kinda funny.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Fury on November 27, 2006, 05:37:08 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standerd to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems trouble free. Seems to  me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race.Wonder why Irving still has his job?Pure bullshit, I hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally. Irvin has always been a moron but this seals the deal.

This reminds me of last year when the Air Force coach Fisher DeBarry said they needed to go out and recruit the black athletes if they wanted to win. The public outcry over that was astounding when the guy was telling the truth. However, Irvin, whose a coke head on top of the fact of being a racist, gets away with whatever he wants. I can't even watch Sunday NFL Countdown with those retards on it anymore.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 05:44:20 PM
when will you non- minority people realize that unless you walk in OUR shoes you can never understand how it is to NOT be white in America... :'( :'( :'(



Jea you are a fag. Your gimmicks suck.




















hope this helps













Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 05:49:14 PM
Dude, I can understand the double standard, and im not black.  Shit, I only have three black dudes that I consistantly hang with, but we dont ever see each other as being different, we joke about the shit, and that is what needs to happen in order for us to break down these barriers.  Let em rag on whitey for a while, shit, it wasnt until the 80's that segregation due to "bussing" was outlawed.  believe me, I am not for free rides, but the playing field hasnt been level since the slaves were freed as some of you are suggesting.  Plus, that shit Irvin said was kinda funny.


Get a grip. They have no right to act that way. A prominent, white medical scholar goes on tv to speak about a African American mans achievement in discovering the cure to a disease. He makes the comment that his mother must have come in contact with a white man  for the African Doctor to be so smart to discover the cure for a disease. Implying that black men are not as smart as white men.Also implying the blackwoman had to have conceived a child with white blood for it to be so smart. Since white men dominate big business, medical research and basically every prominent position in government.

The entire African community would be outraged. There would be frekin riots.The double standard needs to be addressed. All people treated equally. That is how it works. Not i can act like a racist asshole because 5 generations ago there was slavery. Shit like this cheapens good African Americans achievements.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 27, 2006, 06:09:35 PM
This reminds me of last year when the Air Force coach Fisher DeBarry said they needed to go out and recruit the black athletes if they wanted to win. The public outcry over that was astounding when the guy was telling the truth. However, Irvin, whose a coke head on top of the fact of being a racist, gets away with whatever he wants. I can't even watch Sunday NFL Countdown with those retards on it anymore.

or when that old Packers star said Notre Dame had to lower their academic standards to let more black athletes in the program if they wanted to win.  similary comment to that. 

racist or not, irvin is just an idiot.  i loved when tom jackson asked him on the pregame show straight up "Are you retarded"


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: venom gang.bronze on November 27, 2006, 06:18:37 PM
It is because the liberal media thinks we 'owe' negores in this country something when the truth is we don't owe their black a$$es a got-damn THANG!

 It is perfectly fine for negroes to commit 'hate' crimes against whites and say whatever they want against 'whiteys'. It's fine. No...really we 'owe' them. They were slaves so...


 I watched 'Original Kings of Comedy' last night. I love it...so funny. Lots and lots of cracks and digs against 'white people'.

 Put 'the blue collar comedy tour' on stage and let Ron White say something like...'Yea, my dog...my bulldog don't like negores...he barks at them...'

 Or let Jeff Foxworthy have a skit where he says...'If you have 2LiveCrew playing at your reception and 'Big Mama' gets up to pump her ass...yooooou might be a negroe...

 If you call Cherry flavor Koolaid as RED...yooooou might be a negroe!'

 Watch how that will fly.

 
...that's all fuckin' hilarious- i wish the redneck comediy guys would say things like that, it'd be funny.
...the fact is, most stereotypes are about 85% true, they do have a big basisi in reality, but people are afraid to acknowledge this fact.
jimmy the greek, et al, on their comments? personally, i don't think they should have been fired- why? for telling the truth, for merely speaking whateverybody "thinks" anyway?
...rediculous.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: gtbro1 on November 27, 2006, 07:21:48 PM
I don't believe it makes anyone 'racist' to say that certain cultures have an inbred superiority over others in certain areas.  Sure, there are notable exceptions in everything, but 'selective breeding' is a very real concept and it's a practice that goes on today.  

If a male is only 5-10 and he comes from a family of males ranging in height from 5-9 to 6-1 and he mates with a woman who's only 5-5, then the chances of him having a 6-foot-tall son (or daughter) are very slim.  If, however, that same male mates with a woman who's also 5-10 and from a family where the men are typically 5-10 to 6-4, then their chances of having a tall son or daughter are greatly increased.  It doesn't offer a guarantee, mind you, it just improves the odds.  

Steffi Graf and Andre Agassi have children together.  There's a strong likelihood that their son and daughter will be pretty good athletes.



You're Fired. >:(


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: getfast81 on November 27, 2006, 07:24:57 PM
Mike Irvin is and has always been a complete moron.  Great football player without a doubt but he makes some lame no sense comments repeatedly.  Between Mike Irvin, Stu Scott, and Dan Patrick you have three barrels of donkey shit when it comes to commentating.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: brianX on November 27, 2006, 07:33:05 PM
Because, Romo doesn't. Point Blank. Aikman, Manning, Vick, McNair, they do. Plus Michael was a Cowboy, Romo is Cowboy, and former Cowboys are super critical of those who don't match up to the Cowboy QB God: Troy Aikman.

What have you been smoking? Romo is way better than all of those guys. He's the highest rated quarterback in the NFL. Aikman never played worth a damn without a great offensive line. Everyone in Dallas loves Romo.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: G o a t b o y on November 27, 2006, 07:35:29 PM
Considering this country's history, a little double-standard won't kill anyone as long as it eventually gets old and goes away.


It ain't old YET?  It's been 150 years!  How much fuccking time do they need? >:(

Seriously, when the last slave died, and the last slave owner died, this shit shouldda been over.

Hell, I've never owned any slaves.  For that matter, neither did any of my ancesters... they were all over in Germany when this shit was happening.

And to these negroes that think they're "owed" something:   Negro, please.  ::)  You ain't never been a slave, and neither were your parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents.  I don't owe you shit.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: getfast81 on November 27, 2006, 07:39:31 PM
What have you been smoking? Romo is way better than all of those guys. He's the highest rated quarterback in the NFL. Aikman never played worth a damn with a great offensive line. Everyone in Dallas loves Romo.
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA.  How many games has Romo played in the NFL?  Comparing Romo to Aikman is asinine.  There is no comparison.  Aikman Overrated? Yeah maybe.  Hall of Fame Quarterback. THREE Super Bowls.   I think Romo is going to be a star but to say he is better than Vick, McNabb, Aikman, and others is crazy.  Get to the playoffs, win a Super Bowl, win consistently, and then you MIGHT be able to put him in the upper tier of QBs in the NFL.  Everyone in Dallas will believe that.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 07:47:09 PM
I don't believe it makes anyone 'racist' to say that certain cultures have an inbred superiority over others in certain areas.  Sure, there are notable exceptions in everything, but 'selective breeding' is a very real concept and it's a practice that goes on today.  

If a male is only 5-10 and he comes from a family of males ranging in height from 5-9 to 6-1 and he mates with a woman who's only 5-5, then the chances of him having a 6-foot-tall son (or daughter) are very slim.  If, however, that same male mates with a woman who's also 5-10 and from a family where the men are typically 5-10 to 6-4, then their chances of having a tall son or daughter are greatly increased.  It doesn't offer a guarantee, mind you, it just improves the odds.  

Steffi Graf and Andre Agassi have children together.  There's a strong likelihood that their son and daughter will be pretty good athletes.




You are so full of shit it is coming out of your ears. It is no big deal when a African American makes a offensive statement like this ? But if they guy was white all hell would be breaking loose. If a white man made the suggestion that a African woman would have had to have slept with a white man to conceive a smart child there would be hell to pay.


Just the point I was trying to prove. This is a joke you say?  Ha ha, I wonder if it would have been a "joke" of roles where reversed. You know what would happen. We all know what would happen.

Btw your post was retarded and has nothing to do with Irvin dissing the white race. I am not racist at all. I find it disgusting. but this hypocritical shit needs to stop. Enough is enough.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 27, 2006, 07:49:09 PM
so what he is a fucking crack head !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 07:53:59 PM
so what he is a fucking crack head !


Thats fine. Irvin should be held accountable for his actions. Notice the black men on here making excuses? If I give you respect as a black American, I want respect in return as a white American. It is 2006 people. Equal sensitivity applies to all races. not just black people.  The hypocrisy a black man shows making a statement saying Irvins comments are "no big deal" is hilarious. I would love to see what they would have said if Steve young said Vince Young's mother must have slept with a white man somewhere down the line since Vince is such a smart quarterback. Implying that Vince would be a dumb black guy without the white blood. Young would lose his job in about 3 hours. He would be labeled a racist for life. Irvin is a dirty, crack smoking shitbag.


Next time some white announcer makes a racially offensive comment we should just chalk it up as entertainment. That is what you are suggesting. Delusional lol. The double standard is sickening.



A espn announcer was fired for making a "racially" insensitive joke while joking with Lou Pannela. it was tame compared to this. Wonder why he got fired? Hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:06:49 PM
Mike Irvin is and has always been a complete moron.  Great football player without a doubt but he makes some lame no sense comments repeatedly.  Between Mike Irvin, Stu Scott, and Dan Patrick you have three barrels of donkey shit when it comes to commentating.
Patrick is one of the most pompous know-alls out there. The lack of quality amongst "experts" is why i have no problem with Irvin-at least he played the game, unlike most of these geeks.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:08:48 PM
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA.  How many games has Romo played in the NFL?  Comparing Romo to Aikman is asinine.  There is no comparison.  Aikman Overrated? Yeah maybe.  Hall of Fame Quarterback. THREE Super Bowls.   I think Romo is going to be a star but to say he is better than Vick, McNabb, Aikman, and others is crazy.  Get to the playoffs, win a Super Bowl, win consistently, and then you MIGHT be able to put him in the upper tier of QBs in the NFL.  Everyone in Dallas will believe that.

I think he's potentially better than Aikman, who was a robot and beneficiary of a top o-line. Romo in a few games is already better than tier-B QBs like Vic and a good but never great Mcnab.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 27, 2006, 08:09:38 PM
truth is most of the ''black leaders' like Frederick Douglas and  W E B Dubois and most founders of black colleges where Mulatto half black half white and am sure that was there reason for intelligence lol !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: gtbro1 on November 27, 2006, 08:10:22 PM
The only thing that the blacks are owed is their equal rights and respect.No monetary compensation that is absurd.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: brianX on November 27, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
truth is most of the ''black leaders' like Frederick Douglas and  W E B Dubois and most founders of black colleges where Mulatto half black half white and am sure that was there reason for intelligence lol !

hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:11:22 PM
The only thing that the blacks are owed is their equal rights and respect.No monetary compensation that is absurd.

Does "flava of love" count as payback? :o


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 27, 2006, 08:12:43 PM
that's alright.

another niglet didn't get a job today after a perfect interview because of michael irvin's big mouth.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:15:17 PM
Question for the black men out there. What would you say if Tony Kornheiser Had made this comment


Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."



The entire black community would be outraged. Tony would lose his job. Be labeled a racist for life. It would be hounded on the news. The hypocrisy is scary!


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:15:43 PM

Thats fine. Irvin should be held accountable for his actions. Notice the black men on here making excuses? If I give you respect as a black American, I want respect in return as a white American. It is 2006 people. Equal sensitivity applies to all races. not just black people.  The hypocrisy a black man shows making a statement saying Irvins comments are "no big deal" is hilarious. I would love to see what they would have said if Steve young said Vince Young's mother must have slept with a white man somewhere down the line since Vince is such a smart quarterback. Implying that Vince would be a dumb black guy without the white blood. Young would lose his job in about 3 hours. He would be labeled a racist for life. Irvin is a dirty, crack smoking shitbag.


Next time some white announcer makes a racially offensive comment we should just chalk it up as entertainment. That is what you are suggesting. Delusional lol. The double standard is sickening.



A espn announcer was fired for making a "racially" insensitive joke while joking with Lou Pannela. it was tame compared to this. Wonder why he got fired? Hmmmmm.

Now that i've read exactly what was said (that red lettering's virtually unreadable), and considering that Irvin's been in trouble already, it is time to let him go. I do think he's amusing, especially compared to the usual bland announcers but he is in fact a clown who's now proven that he's unable to learn from past indiscretions. He's basically about as lacking in refinement as there is, should be doing local cable pre-game shows.

As far as a double-standard, it's probably time to remove it; everyone knows better by now.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: venom gang.bronze on November 27, 2006, 08:20:57 PM
truth is most of the ''black leaders' like Frederick Douglas and  W E B Dubois and most founders of black colleges where Mulatto half black half white and am sure that was there reason for intelligence lol !
...what you mean is,"their," not "there," brainiac.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:21:30 PM
I have no problem with black men and women demanding respect. Racism is alive and well In America and African men and women deal with it at times.It is the hypocrisy I do not agree with. We all have to repsect each other equally to get anywhere. White, black purple or orange you make racially offensive comments you pay the same as anyone else.

Alot of African American people think if you are white you are rich or priveledged. I wish I could take you through the gutters of Southie, Charlestown, Malden, Dorchester and eastie here in  Boston. They are white "ghettos" with all the drugs guns and murder of the "black" ghettos in this city. You see departed? That is how southie was 10 years ago.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:21:35 PM
...what you mean is,"their," not "there," brainiac.
This is common getbig speak. :-\


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:25:06 PM
ESPN's Michael Irvin has publicly apologized for his recent comments inferring that Tony Romo may be of mixed ethnicity.

Irvin said he was joking about Romo's athletic ability. "This is how I joke around with Romo when we're playing basketball. There's a difference from me the player and me the broadcaster."


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:26:35 PM
ESPN's Michael Irvin has publicly apologized for his recent comments inferring that Tony Romo may be of mixed ethnicity.

Irvin said he was joking about Romo's athletic ability. "This is how I joke around with Romo when we're playing basketball. There's a difference from me the player and me the broadcaster."


That is all I wanted. I am satisfied with an appology. But if fair was fair he would be canned.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 08:27:17 PM
I have no problem with black men and women demanding respect. Racism is alive and well In America and African men and women deal with it at times.It is the hypocrisy I do not agree with. We all have to repsect each other equally to get anywhere. White, black purple or orange you make racially offensive comments you pay the same as anyone else.

Sure but realistically that's only part of it. There was and still is racism, which fuels and justifies some degree of unequal application of the race card. On that basis, expecting exact equality is a little unrealistic.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:28:15 PM
Sure but realistically that's only part of it. There was and still is racism, which fuels and justifies some degree of unequal application of the race card. On that basis, expecting exact equality is a little unrealistic.

Good point.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 27, 2006, 08:30:33 PM
what you mean is,"their," not "there," brainiac THAT IS HARDLY THE POINT GENIUS !
f**k YOU !  ''THEIR'' ASSHOLES AND SO ARE YOU !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:32:20 PM
Can you chill with the gimmck shit man? This thread is serious.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 27, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
When i go home everyday from my job in the big city i just thank God
i don't have to live around black people !  my kids are safe and my wife will not get harassed !
this is a racist world my friends and we all know why !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Earl1972 on November 27, 2006, 08:41:20 PM
i don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread already but don't forget espn fired Rush Limbaugh after he said the media wanted donovan mcnabb to be a successful qb because he is black

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Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 27, 2006, 08:42:24 PM
Another perfect example of hypocrisy.







Question for the black men out there. What would you say if Tony Kornheiser Had made this comment


Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 27, 2006, 08:46:42 PM
explain to me again why 1 in 4 black men 18-30 i have been locked up for violent crimes !
and why 50 % are unemployed ?
yet mexicans and all others are dying to get in here and the very next day their working and sending money home lol !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: slacker on November 27, 2006, 08:49:27 PM
He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Irvin was referring to the fact Romo cannot be such a good athlete unless he has some African lineage in him. Basically saying he is to good of an athlete to be white. Duh Payton manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikmen and most all of the other hall of fame qbs are white men ::) I am against racism but this shit is frustrating!



Hmm seems to be a double standerd to me. That and Micheal Irvin smokes crack and gets off all his legal problems trouble free. Seems to  me a certain announcer was fired for joking with Lou Pannela about race.Wonder why Irving still has his job?Pure bullshit, I hope that cracked out shitbag loses his job when the media gets ahold of this nationally. Irvin has always been a moron but this seals the deal.
lol


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 27, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
i don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread already but don't forget espn fired Rush Limbaugh after he said the media wanted donovan mcnabb to be a successful qb because he is black

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I did bring it up; that was totally unfair. There was nothing wrong with Limbaugh saying that, aside from the fact that it was TRUE. Not obnoxious like Irvin's comments, that were also untrue.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: kh300 on November 27, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
jews, italians, irish it doesnt matter. every race at some point has been forced into slavery. every race has gone through hardships. half of the places in this world were founded by races of people escaping from slavery and oppression. the united states was formed by people escaping those things. black or white we've all had to deal with shit.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 28, 2006, 03:20:52 AM
I have no problem with racist jokes black or white, jew or asian etc... But what I do have a problem with is when it's done in public, a comedy show, on T.V., newspaper, anything which isn't a private convo and one person gets shit for it while the other get laughs or makes money off it. If one guy can make racist jokes for a living while the other loses his job for it I just don't find that to be fair. On another note I also hate when mother fuckers go and tell racist jokes and or act racist themselves and then turn around and cry injustice when something that may possible to take as racist is said or done. I just think there are too many bitter people that would rather blame their faults or misfortune on racism and too many uppity white folk who are way too into censorship of everything, there in lies the problem. I don't see why if everyone wants to be equal they have to stay in a mindset of that we are all different. One quick story from when I was locked up as a juvenile was fucked up, I got pissed off at some kids for being assholes, the kids were mostly from the inner city of Philly where I was at. Well I was talking to two of the dickwads that happened to be black and said to them "you people are fucking worthless and will never amount to anything" (they were tryin to get under my skin and did so) well I was referring to the fact that they were low lifes who sold drugs and had almost no education as they rather become hood rich then really do something with themselves, well next thing you know here it comes "what do you mean YOU PEOPLE", I explained myself they didn't want to hear it and proceeded to go and cry racism and eventually try to get me into trouble for it (they often called me cracker and honkey but I find that amusing/funny even when they were serious), staff told them stop whining and don't be a tattle tale.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Parker on November 28, 2006, 04:35:04 AM

Get a grip. They have no right to act that way. A prominent, white medical scholar goes on tv to speak about a African American mans achievement in discovering the cure to a disease. He makes the comment that his mother must have come in contact with a white man  for the African Doctor to be so smart to discover the cure for a disease. Implying that black men are not as smart as white men.Also implying the blackwoman had to have conceived a child with white blood for it to be so smart. Since white men dominate big business, medical research and basically every prominent position in government.

The entire African community would be outraged. There would be frekin riots.The double standard needs to be addressed. All people treated equally. That is how it works. Not i can act like a racist asshole because 5 generations ago there was slavery. Shit like this cheapens good African Americans achievements.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Parker on November 28, 2006, 04:41:37 AM

Get a grip. They have no right to act that way. A prominent, white medical scholar goes on tv to speak about a African American mans achievement in discovering the cure to a disease. He makes the comment that his mother must have come in contact with a white man  for the African Doctor to be so smart to discover the cure for a disease. Implying that black men are not as smart as white men.Also implying the blackwoman had to have conceived a child with white blood for it to be so smart. Since white men dominate big business, medical research and basically every prominent position in government.


This happened before,
It used to be said or thought that the lighter the black person, the smarter he or she is. My mother would get this a lot, or because she was very light, she was considered "prettier" than the dark skin girls.  

Montell Williams had a doctor on his show speaking about MS. There was a question as to why a lot of black people are starting to get MS, when before there were less cases. Well, due to the fact that MS is very rare in African populations, but not in  European populations, and most Am blacks are of mixed race, it was concluded that they are inherited it from their white genes.



Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 05:33:08 AM
Damn shame... All I am bitching about is accountability.If people want respect and fair treatment they need to give it. When guys like Tre come on here claiming the comments Irvin made where 'not a big deal"  It proves the accusation of hypocrasy by some African American men. If the tables where turned he would be offended. Just like every other African American person. African Americans tend to think racially offensive comments are " not big deal" as long as they are not directed towards them. There is racism against all races including whites. My x girlfriend is Columbian. From Columbia. Dark skinned and hot. I would walk through the cambridge side galleria with her in Boston and be GRILLED by men of Mexican or lation descent. Dirty looks, comments under the breath etc etc. I am Italian, but my family comes from the north of Italy. I have light eyes and light hair.  Contrary to what people may think I am not some little bitch so none of these cowards would ever come out and say what they where thinking. It is quite simple. Racism is a cancer that plagues or society. But some minorities need to quite the hypocritical bullshit. We all are equal. In this day in age 150 years after the fact there is no reason to believe the white race owes a debt. You do not hear the Irish and Italians still complaining about the discriminating and abuse they endured. Same thing for the Jews. Slavery was a black scar on this country. But that had nothing to do with the current or past five generations who did not partake in it.


This quote I made says it all.


Question for the black men out there. What would you say if Tony Kornheiser Had made this comment? Do you think he would still have a job after a comment like that?


Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 28, 2006, 07:25:35 AM
the word SLAVE comes SLAV, people Slavic origin before the use of black people for slavery
white Slavic's where the preferred choice ! chew on that !


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: G o a t b o y on November 28, 2006, 07:42:18 AM
the word SLAVE comes SLAV, people Slavic origin before the use of black people for slavery
white Slavic's where the preferred choice ! chew on that !

I keep saying... the Romans made slaves of my Germanic ancestors, so I wanna go to Italy and act like everyone there owes me something. I'd be acting just like your typical black American acts today.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: YoMamaBeenLurking on November 28, 2006, 09:02:02 AM
Yup, I remember this. He said 'look at that little monkey run' but I can't remember who he was referring to.  :o

Dave Meggit(sp), NY Giants I believe. 




Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: dizzleman06 on November 28, 2006, 09:07:28 AM
it will never be equal...and you will always have people like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP barking about how Whites are racist, but we(everyone) are all racist to a certain degree, but let whites have a organization or a school just for whites and see how that pill is swallowed by the black american community... it would not be pretty


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: bmacsys on November 28, 2006, 09:21:40 AM
My take on the situation: one thing is Irvin isn't being malicious in his comment. Another thing to take into account is a lot of the racial stereotypes blacks endured is that they somehow are genetically inferior to white men in the brain dept. which is a pretty bad thing. Black guys generalizing whites as slower, can't jump etc.. isn't nearly as bad as generalizations blacks had to endure that black men weren't smart enough to play QB etc.. Also blacks couldn't serve with whites in WWII or Korea, segregated sports etc.. So the racial thing cuts way deeper if you are a black man being maligned than a white guy. Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 09:33:41 AM
generalizations blacks had to endure that black men weren't smart enough to play QB etc.. Also blacks couldn't serve with whites in WWII or Korea, segregated sports etc.. So the racial thing cuts way deeper if you are a black man being maligned than a white guy. Just my opinion.

Of course; that's why it's makes sense not to take it too seriously, allow some leaway as long as it ends eventually. Not long ago there weren't even black QBs or coaches until James Harris, Doug Williams & Warren Moon. Moon's in the HoF in part due to race, after been forced to first go to Canada to play QB until he proved himself.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: fearANDloathing on November 28, 2006, 09:39:06 AM
well, that's a pretty benign joke that i as a white white white boy find amusing.
It's meant as a compliment but maybe a white guy might take offense if he didn't have a sense of humor. They use to call Jason Williams of the Miami heat White Chocolate because of his Magic Johnson like passes but it was meant as a compliment and that's how he took it.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: bmacsys on November 28, 2006, 09:59:30 AM
It's meant as a compliment but maybe a white guy might take offense if he didn't have a sense of humor. They use to call Jason Williams of the Miami heat White Chocolate because of his Magic Johnson like passes but it was meant as a compliment and that's how he took it.

Yup. They called Earl Monroe the black jesus and it was a compliment.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 10:03:41 AM
I am still waiting for an answer from the black men on this board. Would you be offended if  Tony insiunated black men where not as intelligent as white men on national tv?






Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down." 





Any man black man who says he would not be offended by these comments has no right to ever be upset over racial comments. Save the filler and question dodging. If Tony said this would you be offended? Yes or no?


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: bmacsys on November 28, 2006, 10:16:41 AM
I am still waiting for an answer from the black men on this board. Would you be offended if  Tony insiunated black men where not as intelligent as white men on national tv?



It would be interesting to hear from a black mans perspective.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 10:30:50 AM
It would be interesting to hear from a black mans perspective.

Not much there amongst the getbig demographic.  :)


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 10:35:30 AM
Besides tre, who has whinned about racism before. Yet he claims Irvin's comments are "no big deal". Monster hypocrisy / bullshit statement.

If a white announcer ever made that comment I posted above there would be hell to pay.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 28, 2006, 11:36:02 AM
as tiki barber said, "Michael irvin is the ultimate 'character' guy"  ::)


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 11:38:04 AM
as tiki barber said, "Michael irvin is the ultimate 'character' guy"  ::)

Tiki's more obnoxious than Irvin to me; a bigmouth at the wrong time when the team should come first.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 28, 2006, 11:39:59 AM
I disagree. You may not agree with what he says but he is obviously a very intelligent guy and very well spoken. 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 11:41:20 AM
I disagree. You may not agree with what he says but he is obviously a very intelligent guy and very well spoken. 

Intelligent & well-spoken has *nothing* to do with character. Tiki's character sux and everyone knows it. What he said on more than one occasion shouldn't have gone beyond closed doors. Proves that he's a worm, not a team player. At least Irvin keeps it real, is not a phony.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 28, 2006, 12:07:51 PM
tiki's character sucks?  it may not be grade A but he has never got caught in a room full of coke with strippers. Or recently had a crackpipe found in his car and said it was his friends.   

No arrests, no nothing.  Heavily involved in charity. On the scale of NFL players and character he is certainly above 50% IMO


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 12:26:30 PM
tiki's character sucks?  it may not be grade A but he has never got caught in a room full of coke with strippers. Or recently had a crackpipe found in his car and said it was his friends.   

No arrests, no nothing.  Heavily involved in charity. On the scale of NFL players and character he is certainly above 50% IMO

Listen everything you've listed is standard stuff intended to create a positive image but doesn't negate the reality that Tiki really seems like a creep, and is doing MORE during the season than Irvin ever did to disrupt the team. If i was a coach and didn't need him right now he'd be off the team for those comments, comments made more than once. Completely inappropriate, as were Shockey's, another me-first player who should be playing elsewhere. I have no doubt that part of the Giant's developing problems this year are based on the attitudes of these types of players.

I'll bet you the only reason Tiki wasn't taken down a few notches after those repeated comments was because he's leaving and is needed now, nothing else.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 28, 2006, 12:28:42 PM
It would be interesting to hear from a black mans perspective.

Yeah that would be good considering we have already heard from the gay white male who loves hiking point of view ;D


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2006, 12:33:38 PM
Listen everything you've listed is standard stuff intended to create a positive image but doesn't negate the reality that Tiki really seems like a creep, and is doing MORE during the season than Irvin ever did to disrupt the team. If i was a coach and didn't need him right now he'd be off the team for those comments, comments made more than once. Completely inappropriate, as were Shockey's, another me-first player who should be playing elsewhere. I have no doubt that part of the Giant's developing problems this year are based on the attitudes of these types of players.

I'll bet you the only reason Tiki wasn't taken down a few notches after those repeated comments was because he's leaving and is needed now, nothing else.

I have heard or read nothing to support the view that Tiki has bad character.  You said yourself that intelligence has nothing to do with character.  Tiki's comments were just stupid, not a reflective of bad character.  He has been great for the league IMO.  Works hard in the offseason.  Plays hard during the season.  Raising a family.  Stays out of trouble.  Does good work outside of football.  The NFL needs more players like him. 

He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with that crackhead Irvin. 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 12:37:07 PM
Irvin is such a joke.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 28, 2006, 12:49:27 PM
It was obviously a fucking joke, so fucking get over it already.  ::)

I don't like double standards either, but it was clearly a joke.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 12:58:07 PM
So you think this qoute would be a joke to the black community huh? If Thiesmen made this comment on national tv do you think blacks would think it was "funny". They would just get over it huh?  ::)

Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down." 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 28, 2006, 01:01:27 PM
So you think this would be a joke to the black community huh? Would they think he was just "joking" if Thiesmen said this?



Vince young doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Tony said of Young. "But he is. He is, smart man. I don't know if some white man was down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran out to the burbs or something went down to make him that smart ."



He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down." 



STOP FUCKING REPEATING THE SAME GOD DAMN THING IN EVERY FUCKING POST ASSHOLE, WE FUCKING HEARD YOU THE FIRST GOD DAMN TIME. >:( >:( >:( :o :o :o ;D


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 01:02:59 PM
No, it was a question no African American person or poster defending Irvin would touch. Because it shows the hypocrisy of defending him. If you do not like it go post somewhere else.


Btw, last time I checked you come into a debate with your best material. That qoute is pretty damn good material for this argument. Why dont you relax?


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 28, 2006, 01:06:15 PM
It was obviously a fucking joke, so fucking get over it already.  ::)

I don't like double standards either, but it was clearly a joke.

Isn't islam based on double standards? ???


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 28, 2006, 01:06:33 PM
Besides tre, who has whinned about racism before. Yet he claims Irvin's comments are "no big deal". Monster hypocrisy / bullshit statement.

If a white announcer ever made that comment I posted above there would be hell to pay.

Well, Bostonian, that's a double standard that we must live with. I don't think Irvin had any malicious intent nor was he trying to offend white people.

Tre can't be taken seriously. He's the dumbass that claims muslims shouldn't be allowed on planes, yet doesn't see the injustice in this remarks. He's a black man that plays the race card, so that tells you a lot about his character and lack of understanding.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: body88 on November 28, 2006, 01:08:15 PM
Well I think that is crap. Double standards suck.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 28, 2006, 01:14:30 PM
Isn't islam based on double standards? ???

It certainly is. When have you heard me say that it isn't? And you'll never reply to this post without assigning me a religion or making racial slurs.

You should retire from this forum seeing as you can't argue straight points without diverting from the topic at hand. Someone makes a point that counters you, you just hurl some insult or end up not replying.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: theworm on November 28, 2006, 01:18:17 PM
Mohammad Ali's grandparents didn't GET ON the boat...

 They were FORCED ON...the boat.

you idiot.  wether they walked on or where forced on, they GOT ON the DAMN boat either way.

The point is this, back folks should thank white people.  Even the poorest back people here in the US live in free housing, and get free checks, etc. Have you ever seen footage from African countries.  Those people don;t even have clothes and live in huts.  botton line is that Mohammad Ali was right, his grandparents were lucky they got on the boat--forced or not.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 02:04:20 PM
I have heard or read nothing to support the view that Tiki has bad character.  You said yourself that intelligence has nothing to do with character.  Tiki's comments were just stupid, not a reflective of bad character.  He has been great for the league IMO.  Works hard in the offseason.  Plays hard during the season.  Raising a family.  Stays out of trouble.  Does good work outside of football.  The NFL needs more players like him. 

He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with that crackhead Irvin. 

Once is stupid; he challenged the coach in PUBLIC more than once; then it's about character, because in effect he's f*** up the team dynamics like it or not. Coughlin's had problems with key players on that team since he got there, which is the biggest problem the Giants have-the players are in control as much as Coughlin, which is wrong. Tiki's actions make him a weasel-this is proven, and has been noticed as a big negative by more than just I. At least Irvin performed and STFU when it came to the season!


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2006, 03:04:21 PM
Once is stupid; he challenged the coach in PUBLIC more than once; then it's about character, because in effect he's f*** up the team dynamics like it or not. Coughlin's had problems with key players on that team since he got there, which is the biggest problem the Giants have-the players are in control as much as Coughlin, which is wrong. Tiki's actions make him a weasel-this is proven, and has been noticed as a big negative by more than just I. At least Irvin performed and STFU when it came to the season!

I don't agree with airing dirty laundry, but I might make an exception with Coughlin.  He might be the most unreasonable coach in the NFL.  His players hate him.  Also, he's a hypocrite.  Threw his QB under the bus after Sunday's loss.  (I don't like Eli anyway.) 

Irvin is a poster child for bad character:  drug use, criminal convictions, cheated on his wife, terrible role model for his own kids and young kids who idolize athletes, allegedly set up mistresses in apartments (essentially prostitutes).  Not to mention the fact that he constantly pushed off on the field to get open.  And worst of all, he was a Dallas Cowboy.  O.K. . . . Pushing off isn't a sign of bad character . . . . . 


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 03:07:02 PM
I don't agree with airing dirty laundry, but I might make an exception with Coughlin.  He might be the most unreasonable coach in the NFL.  His players hate him.  Also, he's a hypocrite.  Threw his QB under the bus after Sunday's loss.  (I don't like Eli anyway.) 

 . . . 

On what basis? I see no indication that the players on this team dislike him. He's clearly learned and is not the same guy he was previously. If anything, he's too lenient, has NOT been the disciplinarian needed amongst a bunch of opinionated big-mouth veterans who were on the team and feel they run it, dating back to before his arrival.

I heard him interviewed yesterday; in no way was he anything but class re: poor player performances. He said only the truth re: Manning's putrid bad throws and Burress's  inexusable ineptitude-long overdue. That he hasn't said it more clearly speaks to the fact he's actually been too easy on them, not the reverse.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2006, 03:12:15 PM
On what basis? I see no indication that the players on this team dislike him. He's clearly learned and is not the same guy he was previously. If anything, he's too lenient, has NOT been the disciplinarian needed amongst a bunch of opinionated big-mouth veterans who were on the team and feel they run it, dating back to before his arrival.

I heard him interviewed yesterday; in no way was he anything but class re: poor player performances. He said only the truth re: Manning's putrid bad throws and Burris's ineptitude-long overdue. That he hasn't said it more clearly speaks to the fact he's actually been too easy on them, not the reverse.

It's actually quite the opposite.  He's too strict, which is why his players hate him.  Here is a sample:

Union Drops Grievance Against Giants Coach

By Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 8, 2005; 11:13 AM

The NFL Players Association dropped a grievance that it filed on behalf of three New York Giants players who were fined by Coach Tom Coughlin after showing up early to a team meeting just before last season, but not early enough to suit Coughlin.

The case was to be heard by an arbitrator late last week, and a union official even traveled to New York for the case. But the players involved -- cornerback Terry Cousin and linebackers Barrett Green and Carlos Emmons -- didn't want to pursue the case. Cousin was released by the Giants this offseason and signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars, and didn't want to travel to New York to resolve a dispute over $500, sources familiar with the case said.
 
Coughlin fined the players $500 apiece after they arrived a few minutes early to the meeting, only to find it already under way. Coughlin later said that his meetings start five minutes early, so anyone who arrives after that is late. Coughlin's taskmaster ways didn't always sit well with Giants veterans last year in the coach's first season with the team, and the club lost eight straight games after a 5-2 beginning and finished the season with a record of 6-10.

Players Association chief Gene Upshaw clashed with Coughlin last offseason when several Giants players informed the union that Coughlin's workouts were violating league rules. The league and the union investigated and determined that the Giants indeed had violated the rules pertaining to the length of workouts, and the team was punished by losing two days of workouts last May in which the players were barred from showing up at the club's training facility. But Upshaw said during Super Bowl week that he and Coughlin had patched up their differences.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36941-2005Apr8.html


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 03:15:42 PM
This proves nothing; i've seen those disputes for a couple of years. The amateur outspokeness of some of the players confirms that it's more than than the coach.

These players are supposed to be pros, as in on-time for meetings. If anything, he's too lax, in large part because of the veterans who feel they run the team. Long ago he should've addressed it by telling them to accept his ways or accept a trade; he didn't do it and continues to put up with obnoxious, public rants by Shockey and Barber that i'm not seeing anywhere else. They feel they can do it because they were there before the coach was. No one thinks Shockley's outbursts over the years are professional, same with Barber.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: bmacsys on November 28, 2006, 03:54:06 PM
Yeah that would be good considering we have already heard from the gay white male who loves hiking point of view ;D

Hey Jaejonna! I found your pants!


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 28, 2006, 04:25:58 PM
Hey Jaejonna! I found your pants!

You have no idea what a major douche you really are, if you only knew...........


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Earl1972 on November 28, 2006, 05:10:56 PM
Tiki's more obnoxious than Irvin to me; a bigmouth at the wrong time when the team should come first.

tiki was being sarcastic

E


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 06:42:31 PM
tiki was being sarcastic

E

No way you know that.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: LAMA-PAI on November 28, 2006, 07:15:43 PM
tiki is a great running back and his coach sucks !
he may be one of the worse x's and o's coach in the nfl


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 28, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
tiki is a great running back and his coach sucks !
he may be one of the worse x's and o's coach in the nfl

Very good, not great, with a biiiiiig-mouth that f*** up team dynamics. Not cool, not a team player. Did it more than once.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Earl1972 on November 28, 2006, 08:16:07 PM
No way you know that.

if you heard the interview he was clearly being sarcastic, did you really think he was serious about irvin being a character guy?

E


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2006, 06:53:23 AM
"Giants coach Tom Coughlin has five games to save his locker room, his season and his job. If the Giants stumble down the stretch the way they did in Tennessee, ownership will lose even more faith in Coughlin than it already has. One high-ranking Giants source said Monday that Coughlin now faces a potential 'mutiny.'"
-- NFL.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/11/28/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?cnn=yes


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 29, 2006, 07:09:30 AM
Pumpster is just a crazy Canadian, so you can't take him seriously. Some of the shit he says sometimes makes you wonder.. Last time it was about some guy being better than Jim Brown, and now he says Tiki Barber lacks character.

Tiki is loved so much in the NY area. Keep in mind he's up against people like Jeter, Strahan. The guy is a model citizen.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 29, 2006, 08:06:13 AM
if you heard the interview he was clearly being sarcastic, did you really think he was serious about irvin being a character guy?

E

Wasn't referring to that comment.


Quote
"Giants coach Tom Coughlin has five games to save his locker room, his season and his job. If the Giants stumble down the stretch the way they did in Tennessee, ownership will lose even more faith in Coughlin than it already has. One high-ranking Giants source said Monday that Coughlin now faces a potential 'mutiny.'"
-- NFL.com

What a revelation; if the team goes down the tubes, firing the coach is no mystery, based on performance, not whether his style is acceptable. What you clearly don't comprehend is that the problems here in NY go beyond Coughlin; similar probs and collapse with the same players happened under the preceeding coach. If Coughlin goes, so eventually will some of these problem players.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that essentially the same team has performed/collapsed on 2 coaches now, Coughlin and Fassell; blaming it all on Coughlin is purely amateur hour. ;D


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 29, 2006, 08:11:19 AM
Pumpster is just a crazy Canadian, so you can't take him seriously. Some of the shit he says sometimes makes you wonder.. Last time it was about some guy being better than Jim Brown, and now he says Tiki Barber lacks character.

Tiki is loved so much in the NY area. Keep in mind he's up against people like Jeter, Strahan. The guy is a model citizen.

Another generalization from the dumbass. The comments about Barber's character have also come from various media sources here in NYC, which you clearly are clueless about. Have you been in afghanistan?

What i said a long time ago about Jim Brown was something you'll never get and clearly can't forget either. Just to clarify since you have no depth and can't get over it: my observation came from Gil Brandt, one of the best talent evaluators in league history.

Now you've been schooled, by a Canadian.  ;D Don't go away mad, just go away.  ;D


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: bmacsys on November 29, 2006, 08:47:28 AM
You have no idea what a major douche you really are, if you only knew...........

Sorry jaejonna, but you asked for it.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on November 29, 2006, 09:22:27 AM
Intelligent & well-spoken has *nothing* to do with character. Tiki's character sux and everyone knows it. What he said on more than one occasion shouldn't have gone beyond closed doors. Proves that he's a worm, not a team player. At least Irvin keeps it real, is not a phony.

I agree that Tiki Barber's comments are a bad reflection on him but I wonder if it's not a symptom of something larger than simply his character. These star players are typically coddled their whole lives and usually they're never forced to be held accountable for their actions. I think it's the special individual that is treated that way and doesn't allow it to effect his personality, especially when they subject to such treatment during their formative years.

Recent actions by Marvin Harrison made question this even more. I always thought of him as quiet and professional. His recent hissy fit was a surprise to me.

I'm not excusing anyone actions but I wonder if any of us lived the same lives as some of these players if we would act any differently than they do. I like to think I would but who knows what my mindset would be if I were coddled from the age of 16 and never forced to be accountable for my actions. This might be more of a societal issue than an individual issue.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2006, 09:27:04 AM
Wasn't referring to that comment.


What a revelation; if the team goes down the tubes, firing the coach is no mystery, based on performance, not whether his style is acceptable. What you clearly don't comprehend is that the problems here in NY go beyond Coughlin; similar probs and collapse with the same players happened under the preceeding coach. If Coughlin goes, so eventually will some of these problem players.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that essentially the same team has performed/collapsed on 2 coaches now, Coughlin and Fassell; blaming it all on Coughlin is purely amateur hour. ;D

There is no lack of comprehension.  There is a difference of opinion.  I would hate playing for Coughlin, just like many of his players.  It's no secret his players hate him.  He needs to coach at the college level.   


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with i
Post by: Old_Rooster on November 29, 2006, 09:33:36 AM
well, that's a pretty benign joke that i as a white white white boy find amusing.

word up.

Only a racist would make a post calling Irvin racist.

its about as silly as when people say why can't there be a WET(white entertainment television) channel since there is a BET.

Then they claim, 'but i'm not a racist....'  yeah right.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: pumpster on November 29, 2006, 09:34:50 AM
There is no lack of comprehension.  There is a difference of opinion.  I would hate playing for Coughlin, just like many of his players.  It's no secret his players hate him.  He needs to coach at the college level.   

He's changed his approach, with this team, moderated the strictness. Said that himself.

Any pressure on him's based on performance. No one's had any recent problems with him on a personal basis, nor does he come across as anything other than unreasonable in interviews. He takes the high road regarding performance of players, unlike some of the dumb players he has.


Title: Re: Why can the crackhead Micheal Irvin Make racial comments and get away with it?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2006, 09:40:07 AM
From what i've read, he's changed his approach with this team. He said that himself.

That's a good start.  Discipline is a good thing, but doing things like fining players for not arriving at least 5 minutes EARLY for a meeting is a little over the top IMO.  There are lots of coaches who have well disciplined teams without using draconian tactics, e.g., Dungy, Belichick, Cowher, etc.