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Title: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 05:48:33 PM
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8404128&nav=menu102_2

BREAKING NEWS: Bodybuilders Take Plea Deal in Assistant's Murder

Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan, the bodybuilders accused of killing their assistant, have taken a plea deal. 

The two former professional bodybuilders were scheduled go to trial Monday for the murder of their personal assistant.

Titus has agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder, first degree kidnapping and first degree arson with a sentencing recommendation of 10 to 25 years for the murder charge, 5 to 15 years on the kidnapping charge and 2 to 15 years on the arson charge. The first two sentences will run consecutively.

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The celebrity bodybuilder couple accused of murdering their assistant will save the county the trouble of a trial. Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan finalized a plea deal with prosecutors late Friday afternoon, avoiding a trial set to begin Monday.

The district attorney's office says it's a fair deal. It's one both the victim's family and detectives in the case agree with, because it makes Craig Titus admit to murder and his wife to helping destroy evidence.

"I think both defendants recognize that a train was coming down the tracks and either they resolved it today or we were going to go to a jury trail and leave it up to a jury," said prosecutor Robert Daskas.

With the couple both facing possible life sentences for murder, Titus moved to save his wife.

"As we approached trial, Craig Titus became more and more worried about the exposure his wife was going to have to first degree murder," said Titus' attorney Marc Saggese.

Titus agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder in the death of his live-in assistant Melissa James, along with kidnapping and arson.

"He did accept responsibility and that is evidenced by his entering into a guilty plea," said Saggese.

By admitting to the murder, Ryan was cleared of the charge and given a plea deal of battery with a deadly weapon and first degree arson.

"She was faced with more serious charges -- significantly more serious charges. We feel that this is a fair resolution for her," said Ryan's attorney Michael Cristalli.

She now faces no criminal liability in James' death. But with overwhelming evidence, both had to admit to arson.

"We had strong evidence that they purchased lighter fluid that was used to ultimately light the car with Melissa James in the trunk," said Daskas.

The prosecutor says, while there are unanswered questions about James' murder, details are finally coming out.

"We've always believed, and I think the guilty pleas reflects that there was a confrontation between Kelly and Melissa and that Craig intervened, and ultimately it was Craig Titus that killed Melissa James," said Daskas.

Titus has asked to speak at his sentencing so he can apologize to James' mother, who was once a close friend.

"He has never had an opportunity to talk to her or say he was sorry or to discuss how this unfolded," said Saggese.

Titus faces 15 to 55 years in prison. He has already served two and a half years. Kelly Ryan's attorney says he has asked to argue for probation for her charges.






Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: jtsunami on May 30, 2008, 05:51:16 PM
I like his gotee


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:10:18 PM
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8404128&nav=menu102_2

BREAKING NEWS: Bodybuilders Take Plea Deal in Assistant's Murder

Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan, the bodybuilders accused of killing their assistant, have taken a plea deal. 

The two former professional bodybuilders were scheduled go to trial Monday for the murder of their personal assistant.

Titus has agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder, first degree kidnapping and first degree arson with a sentencing recommendation of 10 to 25 years for the murder charge, 5 to 15 years on the kidnapping charge and 2 to 15 years on the arson charge. The first two sentences will run consecutively.

The details of Ryan's plea are still unknown.


Once stars in the bodybuilding world, they are accused of using a stun gun, drugging and suffocating 28-year-old Melissa James in December of 2005. James burned body was found in a burned out Jaguar belonging to Ryan.

Titus and Ryan, who are married, were arrested in Boston after a nationwide manhunt.

Titus won a 1996 bodybuilding championship and competed in Mr. Olympia events. Ryan is a past Fitness America and Fitness International winner and Fitness Olympia runner-up.

James was a former model and dancer who moved to Las Vegas in 2003 to work with Titus.

Titus has told police James died of a drug overdose and that he burned her body to avoid negative publicity.



thanks musclephone for answering my prayers...if it's true   :)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: calmus on May 30, 2008, 06:10:49 PM
he didn't always have it..how many spotters does a man need?

Is that really craig?

Guilty bastards.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Boost on May 30, 2008, 06:17:31 PM
lol take away the fake tan and make up and Kelly is FUGLY.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
Are you shitting me??



We wait three years and we aren't even going to get to see a trial?  >:( >:(



Ron!  Craiggers has plead guilty and will be going away pretty much forever.  Can I now have his "Titus" account?  :D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:27:21 PM
Are you shitting me??



We wait three years are we aren't even going to get to see a trial?  >:( >:(



Ron!  Craiggers has plead guilty and will be going away pretty much forever.  Can I now have his "Titus" account?  :D
i'm going sleep so much better tonight


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
Are you shitting me??



We wait three years are we aren't even going to get to see a trial?  >:( >:(



Ron!  Craiggers has plead guilty and will be going away pretty much forever.  Can I now have his "Titus" account?  :D

How long do you think Kelly will get?  Since she'll probably be back before Dave, you think she'll want the "Squadfather" account?  She could be like the star on NBC's My Name Is Earl and have to edit all of his 26,000 sinful, derogatory posts into devinely-inspired compliments with her new lease on life.  Actually that would have been a good plea for her.        


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:36:22 PM
How long do you think Kelly will get?          


From the article:

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Ryan has agreed to plead guilty to first degree arson, but she only agreed to the charge of battery with a deadly weapon with bodily harm. This means she faces no criminal liability in Melissa James' death. Her attorney said he will argue for probation during her sentencing.

Looks like Craiggers is taking the fall.

I wonder if the details of the real story will ever come out?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: michael arvilla on May 30, 2008, 06:37:19 PM

From the article:

Looks like Craiggers is taking the fall.

I wonder if the details of the real story will ever come out?

they slowly are.....................


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
they slowly are.....................

I'm hoping they come out in court when the judge accepts Craig's plea.  If not, we may never know.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 06:40:54 PM

From the article:



Wow, they JUST NOW added that part. 


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:43:40 PM
Wow, they JUST NOW added that part. 



Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:47:01 PM


Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?
she'll be engaged in several attention getting endeavors and live off income from her apartments.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 06:48:15 PM


Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?

I'd say a book deal is probably a very valid option.  Plus her parents still have money.  Actually I bet she could still do alot of stuff.       


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 06:49:41 PM
she'll be engaged in several attention getting endeavors and live off income from her apartments.

Yeah maybe her and Brenda Kelly could get a reality show?   ???


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 06:50:26 PM


Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?
It's Vegas baby..........prostituti on is legal, ya? ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:51:47 PM
Yeah maybe her and Brenda Kelly could get a reality show.   ;D
oh...you're onto it...LOL.  get mattcock into it too


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 06:52:04 PM
Are you shitting me??



We wait three years are we aren't even going to get to see a trial?  >:( >:(

Ron!  Craiggers has plead guilty and will be going away pretty much forever.  Can I now have his "Titus" account?  :D

I want the "Titus" account!!!   ::)


But lets analyze how much time Titus will REALLY DO;

1) 10 to 25 years for the murder charge, (actual time = 7.5-12.5 years)
2) 5 to 15 years on the kidnapping charge  (actual time = 2.5-7.5 years)
3) and 2 to 15 years on the arson charge. The first two sentences will run consecutively. (actual time= 0 years-----because it runs at the same time as the first two).

Longest possible sentence= 20 years
Shortest possible sentence = 10 years

Minus the time he has already served awaiting trial= 2.5 years

Earliest parole date= 2015
Latest parole date = 2025

Titus was very lucky with that bullshit sentence for second degree murder and arson, in CA. he would have been in for life-no possibility of parole.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:52:23 PM
It's Vegas baby..........prostituti on is legal, ya? ;D


Have you seen her recent pictures?  What's she gonna do, $10 blowjobs on the street?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 06:54:46 PM
Kelly Ryan will NOT GET PROBATION, that I can guarantee you.

But when she does get out I want to bang her, I have a thing for bad girls  ::)  ::)


Have you seen her recent pictures?  What's she gonna do, $10 blowjobs on the street?

I'll give $50 for a BJ, no rubber though  ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
I want the "Titus" account!!!   ::)


But lets analyze how much time Titus will REALLY DO;

1) 10 to 25 years for the murder charge, (actual time = 7.5-12.5 years)
2) 5 to 15 years on the kidnapping charge  (actual time = 2.5-7.5 years)
3) and 2 to 15 years on the arson charge. The first two sentences will run consecutively. (actual time= 0 years-----because it runs at the same time as the first two).

Longest possible sentence= 20 years
Shortest possible sentence = 10 years

Minus the time he has already served awaiting trial= 2.5 years

Earliest parole date= 2015
Latest parole date = 2025

Titus was very lucky with that bullshit sentence for second degree murder and arson, in CA. he would have been in for life-no possibility of parole.
prior bad acts will factor into the judges sentence


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: mahg on May 30, 2008, 06:55:58 PM

Have you seen her recent pictures?  What's she gonna do, $10 blowjobs on the street?

I'd pay $50 to bed her.  8)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:56:58 PM
But lets analyze how much time Titus will REALLY DO;


Titus is already mid-40's.  I don't think the parole board will let a murderer with a prior record out in less than 15-20 years minimum.  He'll be an old man when he gets out with zero prospects.  He's done.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 06:57:08 PM
prior bad acts will factor into the judges sentence

The sentence has already been determined-it is "indeterminate" sentencing.

It will fall between the ranges I laid out.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 06:57:41 PM
I'd pay $50 to bed her.  8)


I think you're getting ripped off to the tune of $30 or so.  :-X


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 06:57:52 PM

Have you seen her recent pictures?  What's she gonna do, $10 blowjobs on the street?
Have you seen her lips? All swollen and puffy like that.....$10 blowjobs would be her money maker. ;)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: gh15 on May 30, 2008, 06:58:01 PM


Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?

they both will die in prison,,one from natural causes  orsuicide and the other from none natural causes as in will get murdered,,competition :D,,only place they can compete now is who die first ,,the murderer is 180lb with the handcuffs on ,,the ugly wife is 90lb of walking anorexia...
competition ::)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 06:58:24 PM

Titus is already mid-40's.  I don't think the parole board will let a murderer with a prior record out in less than 15-20 years minimum.  He'll be an old man when he gets out with zero prospects.  He's done.

The MOST he will do is 20 years. That is th most, because of the good behavior rule in state prison sentencing.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 06:58:57 PM
The sentence has already been determined-it is "indeterminate" sentencing.

It will fall between the ranges I laid out.
cool bro  i say 19


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Kelly Ryan will NOT GET PROBATION, that I can guarantee you.


No, but she might get 5 years since she's not being hooked up on the murder.  What is the typical time actually served on a 5-year sentence, 3 years?  Gee, she's already served 2.5 years of it.  ::)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 07:01:06 PM
cool bro  i say 19

Correct.

With this type of high profile, moral turpitude crime, it will be 19 or the full 20-it will not be on the short end.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:02:04 PM
The MOST he will do is 20 years. That is th most, because of the good behavior rule in state prison sentencing.


Okay, that puts him in his mid 60's, with no money, no skills, and a prison record.   Maybe he can work as a dishwasher in some rat-hole or something.  ::)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 07:02:50 PM

Okay, that puts him in his mid 60's, with no money, no skills, and a prison record.   Maybe he can work as a dishwasher in some rat-hole or something.  ::)
He could mow my yard, I hate mowing my yard. >:(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:03:27 PM
He could mow my yard, I hate mowing my yard. >:(


Mexicans will do it cheaper.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 07:03:55 PM

No, but she might get 5 years since she's not being hooked up on the murder.  What the typical time actually served on a 5-year sentence, 3 years?  Gee, she's already served 2.5 years of it.  ::)

Based on Titus's sentence, Ryan will get 8-15 years. She will do half the 15, which leaves 7.5 minus the 2.5 in jail for time served-out in 2013.

Pretty fucking short time for such a horrific and brutal lkilling (OK she did not cop to the murder-but we know she is involved).

Like I said-if they were in CA they would never get out-ever.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 07:06:06 PM
In all seriousness I wish both Craig and Kelly well.  And I was honestly moved by what Brenda's interview with Kelly revealed to me about her while she was on the inside.  And Craig?  That fool just lived the dream all the way into the nightmare...just rode it all the way.  Somebody was gonna do it and who better equipped for it than he.  What a ride.  But together they'll go down in history as the quintessential bodybuilding cautionary tale.  Godspeed to them both.            


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:06:50 PM
Based on Titus's sentence, Ryan will get 8-15 years. She will do half the 15, which leaves 7.5 minus the 2.5 in jail for time served-out in 2013.

Pretty fucking short time for such a horrific and brutal lkilling (OK she did not cop to the murder-but we know she is involved).

Like I said-if they were in CA they would never get out-ever.


If her attorney thinks he can argue for probation and not get laughed out of court, I can't see 15 being realistic.  (Unless he's just shooting the moon or something).


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: gh15 on May 30, 2008, 07:07:17 PM
friends,,
there is a diff betyween jail and prison,,the murderer will not see the light of day again if not execurted by the state of nevada,,he has a contact on his name,,he is done as in dead

the ugly wife ,,i cant see her surviving 15 years in unless turning to compelete relegious fanatik and i think she is a fake christian thus it is a cover thus she will die from natural causes or sucide in prison ,,anything over 2-3 years for that stupid ugly old skank is too much to take,,do you think she will be able to wait untill she is 49-50 to get out? not her not when her mom is dead ,,her dad will be gone,,she is worth as dead meat

the murderer though im 100% wont survive to see the year 2020


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 07:07:44 PM

Okay, that puts him in his mid 60's, with no money, no skills, and a prison record.   Maybe he can work as a dishwasher in some rat-hole or something.  ::)
he can be his wife's handyman around the income units.  


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:09:10 PM
he can be his wife's handyman around the income units.  


What income units?  Legal fees ate up any assets they had.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 07:11:05 PM

If her attorney thinks he can argue for probation and not get laughed out of court, I can't see 15 being realistic.  (Unless he's just shooting the moon or something).

Kelly Ryan's attorney can argue probation all day long-it is not going to happen. This is a very serious felony- she will not get probation. I am really sort of shocked she got such a good deal under the circumstances. And believe me, she got a good deal.

My guess is 10-15 years in prison-out in half on good behavour. We will know for sure when her plea deal goes public.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 30, 2008, 07:12:16 PM

What income units?  Legal fees ate up any assets they had.
i think her daddy has a few right now


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 07:13:05 PM

What income units?  Legal fees ate up any assets they had.

In addition, the sub prime real estate bubble was centered in CA, FL and LAS VEGAS-their rental homes would probably be underwater now anyway.

There are more foreclosed homes in Vegas than any market besides CA and FL.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:15:18 PM
friends,,
there is a diff betyween jail and prison,,the murderer will not see the light of day again if not execurted by the state of nevada,,he has a contact on his name,,he is done as in dead


Contract.  Pffffft!  ::)   Your credibility goes down with every post you make.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: tommywishbone on May 30, 2008, 07:16:41 PM
 >:( I think I just lost some money, although the bets were so long ago, everybody I bet is probably dead.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
>:( I think I just lost some money, although the bets were so long ago, everybody I bet is probably dead.


That's what you get for making wagers with IFBB pros!  ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 07:21:11 PM

Mexicans will do it cheaper.
Mexicans rate lower than convicted murderers in my book.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Geo on May 30, 2008, 07:26:46 PM
I was hoping for a long drawn out trial with nancy grace on court tv mapping out the graphic details every night....

I'm thinking kelly can always go the porn route to help fund her inevitable drug addiction that'll follow this


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
I was hoping for a long drawn out trial with nancy grace on court tv mapping out the graphic details every night....

Me too.  >:(

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I'm thinking kelly can always go the porn route to help fund her inevitable drug addiction that'll follow this

Granny porn, maybe.  She's hideous looking these days.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Kegdrainer on May 30, 2008, 07:35:38 PM
will we ever find out why? 


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
I was hoping for a long drawn out trial with nancy grace on court tv mapping out the graphic details every night....

I'm thinking kelly can always go the porn route to help fund her inevitable drug addiction that'll follow this

If Nancy Grace does not change her 60's fucking rat's nest hair style I am going to KILL her  ::)

will we ever find out why? 

We might, Ryan and Titus should cough up the details and they might be given a lighter sentence-but considering how light the sentence already is for the circumstances (murder) I can't see a judge departing any lower.....so who knows.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Geo on May 30, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
will we ever find out why? 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume she pissed somebody off


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: drkaje on May 30, 2008, 07:45:47 PM


Even if she just gets time served, her life is over.  She's too old to compete, and no sponsor would touch her with a ten foot pole.  What's she going to do to support herself?

Don't worry, Goat.

She'll probably find a midget, dwarf or some other schmoe to advocate her release from prison here on GetBig. :)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Tre on May 30, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
Are you shitting me??



We wait three years and we aren't even going to get to see a trial?  >:( >:(

I feel totally f'n robbed.  

No trial = no coverage on 'American Justice' or 'City Confidential'.  

This is BULLSHIT!!   >:(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: onlyme on May 30, 2008, 07:54:59 PM
Well at least both of them now have the resume and background to work for MD


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Original Sin on May 30, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
What the hell am I going to do with my "INNOCENT PERIOD" t-shirt now?
 >:(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: tommywishbone on May 30, 2008, 08:04:18 PM
Well at least both of them now have the resume and background to work for MD

 ;D I can see it now... "Killer Couples Corner"


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: drkaje on May 30, 2008, 08:05:53 PM
What the hell am I going to do with my "INNOCENT PERIOD" t-shirt now?
 >:(

You can always wear it a few days/month. :)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: gordiano on May 30, 2008, 08:56:17 PM
I'd say a book deal is probably a very valid option.  Plus her parents still have money.  Actually I bet she could still do alot of stuff.       

There's always porn....even stripping.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 08:58:08 PM
....even stripping.


Well, I suppose she could get back into shape and pull it off.  You'd have to put a bag over her head, though.  :-X


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Special Ed on May 30, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
Does this mean Isaac won't be videotaping the trial as hoped?

Ron, what happened to all that evidence you were telling me about that was going to lead to a 'NOT GUILTY' verdict? Did the defense overlook it?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 30, 2008, 09:01:45 PM
Does this mean Isaac won't be videotaping the trial as hoped?

Ron, what happened to all that evidence you were telling me about that was going to lead to a 'NOT GUILTY' verdict? Did the defense overlook it?


Where was MusclephoneTM in all of this, dammit?  >:(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: m8 on May 30, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
Titus is innocent! This is SHOCKING!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Tre on May 30, 2008, 09:13:24 PM

MusclePhone exposed as fraud!  Goddammit, I been had...again!   >:(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 09:17:51 PM

Where was MusclephoneTM in all of this, dammit?  >:(

3 hours behind McFarlandphoneTM, that's where!  ;D

I'd set up a Google news alert for "Craig Titus bodybuilder" back when this all first went down and tonight I got the e-mail notification on my iPhone!  So fuck you Isaac!   ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2008, 09:33:06 PM

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With the couple both facing possible life sentences for murder, Titus moved to save his wife. By admitting to the murder, Ryan was cleared of the charge and given a plea deal of battery with a deadly weapon and first degree arson.   


And here you go...  It will be interesting to hear what Craig and others say once this is over on what happened.

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Ron, what happened to all that evidence you were telling me about that was going to lead to a 'NOT GUILTY' verdict? Did the defense overlook it?

Not Guilty? I said no way they would be convicted of first degree murder, and again, if it did go to trail, there would be a chance that a jury would not convict Craig from first degree, but maybe of second degree or manslauter, and same with Kelly. He took a deal that can get him out in 10+ years, and Kelly much, much, much less. He loves Kelly.



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 09:57:45 PM
Not Guilty? I said no way they would be convicted of first degree murder, and again, if it did go to trail, there would be a chance that a jury would not convict Craig from first degree, but maybe of second degree or manslauter, and same with Kelly. He took a deal that can get him out in 10+ years, and Kelly much, much, much less. He loves Kelly.

Who thinks she'll wait on him to get out?  I say there's a chance she might.  I knew a masseuse that used to lease a little space inside Angel City Fitness in Marina Del Rey back when Craig was still on probation or house arrest or something after he'd gotten out of jail the first time and he said he used to let them sneak in and use his office as a sort of makeshift conjugal visitation spot from time to time even back in the day so they've sorta been doing this routine for as long as they've been together.  Kinda ironic, or maybe not depending on how you look at it.  What can I say?  "It's a love story."   ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Special Ed on May 30, 2008, 10:01:09 PM

Not Guilty? I said no way they would be convicted of first degree murder, and again, if it did go to trail, there would be a chance that a jury would not convict Craig from first degree, but maybe of second degree or manslauter, and same with Kelly. He took a deal that can get him out in 10+ years, and Kelly much, much, much less. He loves Kelly.
Well now it's all over so spill the beans on the inside information you had!

Inquiring minds want to know!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 10:20:42 PM
I'd say a book deal is probably a very valid option.  Plus her parents still have money.  Actually I bet she could still do alot of stuff.       

A book deal?????????


Have you ever heard of the "Son of Sam" laws???????

It prevents people who have been convicted of murder and other serious crimes from profiting off their crimes thru book or movie deals.

All money from such deals would go to the victims, or a victim trust fund.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2008, 10:23:41 PM
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It prevents people who have been convicted of murder and other serious crimes from profiting off their crimes thru book or movie deals.


So, in your legal opinion, does that include Kelly Ryan now?



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 30, 2008, 10:26:09 PM
A book deal?????????


Have you ever heard of the "Son of Sam" laws???????

It prevents people who have been convicted of murder and other serious crimes from profiting off their crimes thru book or movie deals.

All money from such deals would go to the victims, or a victim trust fund.

Ohhhhh...

Well how was/is Titus supposed to be working on a tell-all book then?  Is that just a rumor or can people still talk about everything BUT their specific crimes?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 10:30:42 PM


So, in your legal opinion, does that include Kelly Ryan now?


You got it.



In addition she is going to be in the Big House for some time.

CT is getting a 2-15 rap on the arson (even though it is really zero because it will run concurrently with the other sentences).

I predict Kelly will get the same 2-15 in the Big House. Will serve half the 15 (Cut in half for good behaviour) and take off time already served and she could be out in 4-5 years.

But Ryan is going to be doing some hard time.

Ohhhhh...

Well how was/is Titus supposed to be working on a tell-all book then?  Is that just a rumor or can people still talk about everything BUT their specific crimes?

Is Titus working on a book??? I don't know. If he is, he will not profit from it.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2008, 10:47:42 PM

In Nevada state law, what are the minimum and maximum jail term limits for these crimes, which is what Kelly Ryan will plead guilty for.  Where can you find the exact info on these two statues, and the limits?

1. battery with a deadly weapon
2. first degree arson

And if she isn't guilty in any murder deal, why can't see have a part in a movie or book deal?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: calmus on May 30, 2008, 10:55:59 PM
In Nevada state law, what are the minimum and maximum jail term limits for these crimes, which is what Kelly Ryan will plead guilty for.  Where can you find the exact info on these two statues, and the limits?

1. battery with a deadly weapon
2. first degree arson

And if she isn't guilty in any murder deal, why can't see have a part in a movie or book deal?

What about Melissa James, Ron?  You seem awful eager to have Kelly get on with her life.  What about the dead girl?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: webcake on May 30, 2008, 11:02:05 PM
What about Melissa James, Ron?  You seem awful eager to have Kelly get on with her life.  What about the dead girl?

what about her?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 11:03:54 PM
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html

ARSON
      NRS 205.010  First degree.  A person who willfully and maliciously sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned, or who aids, counsels or procures the burning of any:

      1.  Dwelling house or other structure or mobile home, whether occupied or vacant; or

      2.  Personal property which is occupied by one or more persons,

whether the property of himself or of another, is guilty of arson in the first degree which is a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 15 years, and may be further punished by a fine of not more than $15,000.

      [1911 C&P 359; A 1927, 228; 1943, 181; 1943 NCL 10307](NRS A 1967, 493; 1975, 916; 1979, 1439; 1987, 1475; 1995, 1213)
==================================


NRS 200.481  Battery: Definitions; penalties.


 (e) If the battery is committed with the use of a deadly weapon, and:

             (1) No substantial bodily harm to the victim results, for a category B felony by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 10 years, and may be further punished by a fine of not more than $10,000.

             (2) Substantial bodily harm to the victim results, for a category B felony by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 15 years, and may be further punished by a fine of not more than $10,000.



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 11:05:30 PM
And if she isn't guilty in any murder deal, why can't see have a part in a movie or book deal?

Maybe she can then. I don't know.

I suspect as part of her plea deal that will be addressed.


Maybe she will be able do a book/movie deal.....


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2008, 11:08:33 PM
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What about Melissa James, Ron?  You seem awful eager to have Kelly get on with her life.  What about the dead girl?


In case you have not heard, Melissa is no longer with us. If you are talking about her family, I want for them to have closure. Many people are affected and hurt, from Melissa's family and friends, to Craig and Kelly's family and friends. Their lives will never be the same. 

As for Kelly and her life, guess what. Yes, she will get on with her life, as will everyone else associated and affective by this. But they won't forget. You can't. 



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: calmus on May 30, 2008, 11:11:03 PM


In case you have not heard, Melissa is no longer with us. If you are talking about her family, I want for them to have closure. Many people are affected and hurt, from Melissa's family and friends, to Craig and Kelly's family and friends. 

As for Kelly and her life, guess what. Yes, she will get on with her life, as will everyone else associated and affective by this. But they won't forget. You can't.



I'm sure her family will achieve better closure by the civil suit they file (thus ensuring that the book profits go to the right place).  Johnny V is there a statute of limitations issue in these situations?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2008, 11:14:04 PM
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I'm sure her family will achieve better closure by the civil suit they file


They filed a civil suit a while back, if I remember correctly.  That does not acheive closure. Only understanding might help, but the pain of losing a loved one does not go away.



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: calmus on May 30, 2008, 11:17:36 PM


They filed a civil suit a while back, if I remember correctly.  That does not acheive closure. Only understanding might help, but the pain of losing a loved one does not go away.



It also helps to see that the punishment fits the crime. 


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: 240 is Back on May 30, 2008, 11:20:45 PM
wow... kelly walked into a walmart and bought flammable liquid to burn up a human being her husband had just killed.  Then, she helped him to burn her body.  5 years prison seems like far too little.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 30, 2008, 11:23:38 PM
I'm sure her family will achieve better closure by the civil suit they file (thus ensuring that the book profits go to the right place).  Johnny V is there a statute of limitations issue in these situations?

Yes, there are time limits, and I am sure the James family have filed suit already.

Usually a civil lawsuit is stayed until a criminal case is 100% over, including all appeals. Since CT and KR are doing a plea there will not be any appeals, which means the civil lawsuit could go forward.

But face it, the only way the James family could get any $$$ at this point would be thru a book or movie deal by the killers-would they want that? I sure wouldn't if I were in their shoes.

I feel very bad for the James family, and I do hope CT comes clean July 18. Don't count on it though.


wow... kelly walked into a walmart and bought flammable liquid to burn up a human being her husband had just killed.  Then, she helped him to burn her body.  5 years prison seems like far too little.

I think CT is getting off with a light sentence for this crime. We have to wait and see what Kelly gets-but it will be less than CT.

I agree, it is way too light. In CA they would be in for life.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: vinnyvee on May 30, 2008, 11:29:14 PM
I want the "Titus" account!!!   ::)


But lets analyze how much time Titus will REALLY DO;

1) 10 to 25 years for the murder charge, (actual time = 7.5-12.5 years)
2) 5 to 15 years on the kidnapping charge  (actual time = 2.5-7.5 years)
3) and 2 to 15 years on the arson charge. The first two sentences will run consecutively. (actual time= 0 years-----because it runs at the same time as the first two).

Longest possible sentence= 20 years
Shortest possible sentence = 10 years

Minus the time he has already served awaiting trial= 2.5 years

Earliest parole date= 2015
Latest parole date = 2025

Titus was very lucky with that bullshit sentence for second degree murder and arson, in CA. he would have been in for life-no possibility of parole.


Johnny V help me out cuz in the state I live "consecutive" means one after the other. You serve one, start the other. "Concurrent" means running at the same time.
Curious if this is the same cuz if it's not then Craigers is truly fckd.....


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: calmus on May 30, 2008, 11:31:41 PM

Johnny V help me out cuz in the state I live "consecutive" means one after the other.

I wonder what consecutive means in my state.  :D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: gh15 on May 31, 2008, 12:24:59 AM
there is only one male in the world i would agree to participate in gang tape of as in me fuckin him up the ass really really hard ,,
this male is the murderer
i would also love to see the ugly wife getting raped while making the murderer watch it




Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: BFP on May 31, 2008, 03:57:18 AM

Johnny V help me out cuz in the state I live "consecutive" means one after the other. You serve one, start the other. "Concurrent" means running at the same time.
Curious if this is the same cuz if it's not then Craigers is truly fckd.....

That is why the longest is 20 and the shortest is 10.  The 3rd runs concurrently to the first, and possibly the second.  1 and 2 are consecutive.

Jason


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: webcake on May 31, 2008, 04:48:47 AM
there is only one male in the world i would agree to participate in gang tape of as in me fuckin him up the ass really really hard ,,
this male is the murderer
i would also love to see the ugly wife getting raped while making the murderer watch it




Why do you feel this way? Do tell...


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 31, 2008, 07:27:54 AM

Johnny V help me out cuz in the state I live "consecutive" means one after the other. You serve one, start the other. "Concurrent" means running at the same time.
Curious if this is the same cuz if it's not then Craigers is truly fckd.....

The murder and kidnapping are running concesutively-back to back-one after the other, like you said.

The arson charge is the one that will run concurrently-so in effect the arson charge is not going to count (sentencing wise) because it will not add even 1 day to CT's sentence.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 31, 2008, 07:30:03 AM
That is why the longest is 20 and the shortest is 10.  The 3rd runs concurrently to the first, and possibly the second.  1 and 2 are consecutive.

Jason


Right-the arson will run at the same time as the first sentence.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Special Ed on May 31, 2008, 07:49:44 AM
Props to Johnny V for laying the legal smackdown on Getbig with the best non-Fox analysis of the plea deal!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: McFarland on May 31, 2008, 08:07:31 AM
there is only one male in the world i would agree to participate in gang tape of as in me fuckin him up the ass really really hard ,,
this male is the murderer
i would also love to see the ugly wife getting raped while making the murderer watch it





Are there things, gh15?



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Lift Studios on May 31, 2008, 11:46:05 AM
3 hours behind McFarlandphoneTM, that's where!  ;D

I'd set up a Google news alert for "Craig Titus bodybuilder" back when this all first went down and tonight I got the e-mail notification on my iPhone!  So fuck you Isaac!   ;D
You got me this time, that's what happens when I do things you don't; leave my house and have a date with a lovely lady.  ;D

Glad to hear you're still a subscriber to muscle phone.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 31, 2008, 12:51:35 PM
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html

ARSON
      NRS 205.010  First degree.  A person who willfully and maliciously sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned, or who aids, counsels or procures the burning of any:

      1.  Dwelling house or other structure or mobile home, whether occupied or vacant; or

      2.  Personal property which is occupied by one or more persons,



Okay, now I'm confused.  The crime of arson as described above includes setting fire to either a structure (house, building, mobile home), or personal property which is occupied by one or more persons.

Now a car certainly qualifies as "personal property", but if the girl was dead before the match was lit, it was not occupied by a person, it was occupied by a corpse.  Unless the definitions section of the law defines "person" to include corpses, I don't see how they have violated the letter of this law.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 31, 2008, 12:53:19 PM
You got me this time, that's what happens when I do things you don't; leave my house and have a date with a lovely lady.  ;D

Glad to hear you're still a subscriber to muscle phone.

Google sent it to his iPhone.  For all you know, he could have been at an orgy with the Lakers cheerleaders when he got the news.  ::)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Paul Allen on May 31, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
Google sent it to his iPhone.  For all you know, he could have been at an orgy with the Lakers cheerleaders when he got the news.  ::)

knowing Jeff the way I do, I'd be more willing to bet he was at home masturbating to Gary Strydom's MySpace page.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: Lift Studios on May 31, 2008, 03:06:17 PM
Google sent it to his iPhone.  For all you know, he could have been at an orgy with the Lakers cheerleaders when he got the news.  ::)
WOW that's AMAZING! Google did that all for him? Wow!



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 31, 2008, 03:14:13 PM

Okay, now I'm confused.  The crime of arson as described above includes setting fire to either a structure (house, building, mobile home), or personal property which is occupied by one or more persons.

Now a car certainly qualifies as "personal property", but if the girl was dead before the match was lit, it was not occupied by a person, it was occupied by a corpse.  Unless the definitions section of the law defines "person" to include corpses, I don't see how they have violated the letter of this law.

That is a good point. These two sections are all that applies to FIRST DEGREE arson, which is what KR is supposed to plead to.

I wonder if "structure" could be applied to a car???

A car is certainly covered under third and fourth degree arson though.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-205.html#NRS205Sec005

NRS 205.020  Third degree.  A person who willfully and maliciously sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned, or who aids, counsels or procures the burning of:

      1.  Any unoccupied personal property of another which has the value of $25 or more;

      2.  Any unoccupied personal property owned by him in which another person has a legal interest; or

      3.  Any timber, forest, shrubbery, crops, grass, vegetation or other flammable material not his own,

is guilty of arson in the third degree which is a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

      [1911 C&P 360 1/2; added 1927, 228; A 1943, 181; 1943 NCL 10309](NRS A 1967, 493; 1975, 916; 1979, 329; 1989, 964; 1995, 1214)

      NRS 205.025  Fourth degree.

      1.  A person who willfully and maliciously attempts to set fire to or attempts to burn or to aid, counsel or procure the burning of any of the buildings or property mentioned in NRS 205.010, 205.015 and 205.020, or who commits any act preliminary thereto or in furtherance thereof, is guilty of arson in the fourth degree which is a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130, and may be further punished by a fine of not more than $5,000.

      2.  In any prosecution under this section the placing or distributing of any inflammable, explosive or combustible material or substance, or any device in any building or property mentioned in NRS 205.010, 205.015 and 205.020, in an arrangement or preparation eventually to set fire to or burn the building or property, or to procure the setting fire to or burning of the building or property, is prima facie evidence of a willful attempt to burn or set on fire the property.

      [1911 C&P 361 1/2; added 1927, 228; A 1943, 181; 1943 NCL 10311](NRS A 1967, 493; 1979, 1439; 1995, 1214)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: calmus on May 31, 2008, 03:19:45 PM

Has it been shown that she was dead when they put her in the car?



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 31, 2008, 03:31:50 PM
Has it been shown that she was dead when they put her in the car?

I don't know, but I would bet they killed her before burning the car (and her). I think a good guess is going to be that CT was high on some drug and flipped out on MJ over something not yet made public (stealing? who knows what, could be anything really).

CT had/has some serious anger management issues, and I think that is what is going to be at the bottom of this.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: McFarland on May 31, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
knowing Jeff the way I do, I'd be more willing to bet he was at home masturbating to Gary Strydom's MySpace page.

Well almost.  Actually I was just online working on a modified version of the ascension diet with my friend gh15, but I know what you mean; same thing, right?  ;D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal
Post by: bigbiceps on May 31, 2008, 03:42:49 PM
Mexicans rate lower than convicted murderers in my book.

Really? wow... that's some serious hatred right there. 


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: G o a t b o y on May 31, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
That is a good point. These two sections are all that applies to FIRST DEGREE arson, which is what KR is supposed to plead to.

A car is certainly covered under third and fourth degree arson though.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-205.html#NRS205Sec005

NRS 205.020  Third degree. A person who willfully and maliciously sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned, or who aids, counsels or procures the burning of:

      1.  Any unoccupied personal property of another which has the value of $25 or more;

     


Actually, no.  See bolded text.

The way I'm reading everthing you've posted, it seems to me you can set fire to your own car, so long as it isn't "occupied", and you have sole ownership.

I suppose they could make third degree arson if the car was leased or has a lien on it, but the plain wording of the law doesn't seem to support first degree.  Really, the proper charge for her would be accessory to murder, not arson.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: slaveboy1980 on May 31, 2008, 04:57:29 PM
the girl and the belly should both be executed


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: tjschoenborn on May 31, 2008, 05:17:41 PM
I thought he was such a stand up guy!
Plea deal - pretty weak!
So much for Craigs tough guy act!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Special Ed on May 31, 2008, 09:49:51 PM
Craig's plea to 1st Degree Arson indicates that he was aware that Melissa was still alive when placed in the trunk of the vehicle and it was set ablaze.

Judges do not accept plea agreements where the admissions do not conform to the statute requirements.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: vinnyvee on May 31, 2008, 11:07:06 PM
Thanks again to Johnny and Jason for the consec/concurrent clarification.
Also after all this time, how many months in that rat ass jail? And they're plea bargaining? Unbelievable.
Both of them are complete morons.

Sorry Ron. You can go to bat for Craigers and go on about how much he loves her all day long.
Doesnt change the fact of what these two add up to be
-shit.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: 240 is Back on May 31, 2008, 11:08:52 PM
Craig's plea to 1st Degree Arson indicates that he was aware that Melissa was still alive when placed in the trunk of the vehicle and it was set ablaze.

Judges do not accept plea agreements where the admissions do not conform to the statute requirements.

holy shit... that would be huge. 


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: WillGrant on May 31, 2008, 11:58:59 PM
there is only one male in the world i would agree to participate in gang tape of as in me fuckin him up the ass really really hard ,,
this male is the murderer
i would also love to see the ugly wife getting raped while making the murderer watch it



Did Kelly and Craig turn you down  ???


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: The RedMeatKid on June 01, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Thanks again to Johnny and Jason for the consec/concurrent clarification.
Also after all this time, how many months in that rat ass jail? And they're plea bargaining? Unbelievable.
Both of them are complete morons.

Sorry

98% of cases are resolved in a plea bargain.  Craig was looking at life and a day.  Now he'll be out in 10 or 15 years.  Very few cases go the distance.  If you have no idea what you're talking about you shouldn't post anything.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 01, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
98% of cases are resolved in a plea bargain.  Craig was looking at life and a day.  Now he'll be out in 10 or 15 years.  Very few cases go the distance.  If you have no idea what you're talking about you shouldn't post anything.

Pretty much on the money.

The number might be 95%-97% for felonies, but for misdemeanors 99+% are plea bargains.

Even in civil  ( as in $$$$, not jail time) cases (in the federal system anyway), only 1.3% get to trial, or 13 out of 1000 cases. That is a ridiculously low number.



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: bigdumbbell on June 01, 2008, 02:19:50 PM
and i forgot to thank mr macfarland for macfardlandphone


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Meltdown on June 01, 2008, 04:09:42 PM
If someone has been paying his IFBB Pro card renewal is this Fukka still an IFBB Pro???.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Method101 on June 01, 2008, 09:32:16 PM
craig is innocent.  :D :D


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: steveeray on June 01, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
You mean I can kill someone and get that sentence.
Id trade that for my MandD of steroid charge of 9-99 years anyday!
I should be a hitman :0)
Fuckin laws are stupid!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: steveeray on June 01, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
craig is innocent.  :D :D

Yeah,
me too :0)

I bet I serve more time than craig.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: The RedMeatKid on June 02, 2008, 05:13:01 AM
You mean I can kill someone and get that sentence.
Id trade that for my MandD of steroid charge of 9-99 years anyday!
I should be a hitman :0)
Fuckin laws are stupid!

YOU probably couldn't pull it off.  Craig is a mastermind.  You'd take the "Big Bitch".


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 02, 2008, 07:27:25 AM
You mean I can kill someone and get that sentence.
Id trade that for my MandD of steroid charge of 9-99 years anyday!
I should be a hitman :0)
Fuckin laws are stupid!

9-99?? Are you kididng me. That has to be a joke.

I have NEVER seen a law that had an indeterminante sentencing range up to 99 years.




Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
From PBW Radio...

Craig Titus

2nd degree murder....

person is under the influence
or
a crime of passion

Minimum of 10 years to 25 years, but he can get parole, whereas in first degree murder, no possibility of parole?



It will be interesting if we can get a transcript of this plea?


First degree kidnapping WITHOUT substantial harm? Is another huge plus for Titus in the plea deal?


They are saying that it was a SEVEN hour negotiations for this plea deal?



There is a chance that the judge will punish them even more than what the law says.



Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 02, 2008, 06:09:58 PM

It will be interesting if we can get a transcript of this plea?



It will be filed with the court clerk, if not already.

We need someone to go to the NV court house and pull the plea doc and post it. It may be online if they allow online access (most courts dont for criminal cases).


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: arce377 on June 02, 2008, 08:56:03 PM
  :(


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: CigaretteMan on June 05, 2008, 04:24:16 PM
  I feel very sorry for the girl that died, but I also feel very sorry for Titus. Anyone, no matter how moral, can lose their minds and do something like this in a moment of extreme anger. It is a very scary thought that we can completley ruin our lives forever for losing control of our behavior for a single minute. As for being sentenced to prison, I would just try to escape with all my might and, if not possible, I would just hang myself. No way would I go to prison knowing what would happen to me. How can a heterosexual man keep going on living after losing his manhood, dignity and ownership of his own body? Even if there were no rape in prison, I still wouldn't be able to spend 30 years in a cell the size of a small bathroom. Suicide would be the only way out.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: steveeray on June 05, 2008, 09:58:55 PM
YOU probably couldn't pull it off.  Craig is a mastermind.  You'd take the "Big Bitch".

I can't believe I posted this a day before Davids deal.
gggeeeezzzzz

Makes people wonder if someone could pull off anything.
dangerious world


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: ribonucleic on June 06, 2008, 08:43:39 AM
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on June 07, 2008, 08:57:44 AM
Thanks again to Johnny and Jason for the consec/concurrent clarification.
Also after all this time, how many months in that rat ass jail? And they're plea bargaining? Unbelievable.
Both of them are complete morons.

Sorry Ron. You can go to bat for Craigers and go on about how much he loves her all day long.
Doesnt change the fact of what these two add up to be
-shit.

Well actually Craig was pretty smart, the time that they served up in the county jail will go to their sentence. So they got to do almost 3 years in a nice little county jail. Not the big boy PIN. So craig drew it out as long as he could, Kelly will have less time in the clank and Craig saved himself some time of being in the yard.

Does anyone know what Pin they will be going to. I would assume Craig will be going out to High Dessert?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on June 07, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

You mean METH!


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 07, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
Well actually Craig was pretty smart, the time that they served up in the county jail will go to their sentence. So they got to do almost 3 years in a nice little county jail. Not the big boy PIN. So craig drew it out as long as he could, Kelly will have less time in the clank and Craig saved himself some time of being in the yard.

Does anyone know what Pin they will be going to. I would assume Craig will be going out to High Dessert?

I think is it PEN, short for "pen"itentiary.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: bigdumbbell on June 07, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
I think is it PEN, short for "pen"itentiary.
haha  i love these foreigner members   LOL


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on June 09, 2008, 10:11:01 PM
haha  i love these foreigner members   LOL

I just moved from Vegas 2 years ago.. I lived two blocks from the walmart on Ft. Apache and baically Tropicana.. The little chinese lady that worked at the green valley grocery was a complete bitch...


I love these members that think they know all.. LOL..

I was just writing and not worrying about what I was typing, plus I work for a University and write pin all day long telling my students to request one.  ;D ;D ;D


If I don't just look like a jackass.. :-[ :-[ :-[


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: bigdumbbell on June 10, 2008, 01:32:55 AM
I just moved from Vegas 2 years ago.. I lived two blocks from the walmart on Ft. Apache and baically Tropicana.. The little chinese lady that worked at the green valley grocery was a complete bitch...


I love these members that think they know all.. LOL..

I was just writing and not worrying about what I was typing, plus I work for a University and write pin all day long telling my students to request one.  ;D ;D ;D


If I don't just look like a jackass.. :-[ :-[ :-[
oh, ok ::)


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on June 10, 2008, 07:12:10 AM
oh, ok ::)

BigDUmb is there something?


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: Benito Mutumbo on June 10, 2008, 07:28:17 PM
Well actually Craig was pretty smart, the time that they served up in the county jail will go to their sentence.

Smart is the last word one should use to describe Titus.  His time served in Cook County jail will mean squat when the judge hands him a 30 year sentence.

With no binding sentencing deal he's at the mercy on a known hanging judge.  One that probably isn't very impressed with his delays, the media interview after his plea was reached, having to be told to shut up in the court..  One can pick out at least 20-30 boneheaded moves that Titus has made since killing the young lady.

The judge should bury him in a hole just to protect Titus from himself.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 11, 2008, 07:54:55 AM
Smart is the last word one should use to describe Titus.  His time served in Cook Clark County jail will mean squat when the judge hands him a 30 year sentence.

With no binding sentencing deal he's at the mercy on a known hanging judge.  One that probably isn't very impressed with his delays, the media interview after his plea was reached, having to be told to shut up in the court..  One can pick out at least 20-30 boneheaded moves that Titus has made since killing the young lady.

The judge should bury him in a hole just to protect Titus from himself.

It is actually Clark County.

But you are 100% correct, Titus is a mental moron and smart is not a good word to describe him.

His whole life is a fucking train wreck.


Title: Re: Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan Have Taken a Plea Deal ---> 5-30-08
Post by: chainsaw on August 22, 2008, 09:19:38 AM
It is actually Clark County.

But you are 100% correct, Titus is a mental moron and smart is not a good word to describe him.

His whole life is a fucking train wreck.

No, it was cook county for drug dealing in california.  Clark county now.