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Title: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The_Hammer on January 31, 2013, 03:23:10 PM
Price Middle School Shooting: Multiple Injuries In Attack At Southeast Atlanta School


(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/969007/thumbs/s-PRICE-SHOOTING-large.jpg?6)

A police officer responds outside Price Middle School after a shooting, Thursday, Jan. 31, 2013 in Atlanta.
Police responded to a shooting at Price Middle School in Atlanta early Thursday afternoon, WSBTV reports.

Authorities say that multiple people, including a 14-year-old boy, were wounded, according to Fox News.

Police said the teen was shot in the back of the neck and immediately transported to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment, 11Alive reports.

More:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/price-middle-school-shooting_n_2592672.html?1359662406&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/price-middle-school-shooting_n_2592672.html?1359662406&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Bobby on January 31, 2013, 03:24:57 PM
oh brother ::)

talk about the boy who cried wolf


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The_Hammer on January 31, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
Now is the time.

How many more children need to be shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZz4ZqSm4Xs


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: tonymctones on January 31, 2013, 03:30:42 PM
another shooting at a "gun free zone" tell us again which basically create a bigger "gun free zone" is going to help?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: _bruce_ on January 31, 2013, 03:31:13 PM
When will Benny stop?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mawse on January 31, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
 "Laquanda Pittman" and "Shakita Walker's" kids shooting each other over 'beef' doesnt exactly make for the kind of school shooting story the media loves.

 If they were white kids using legally purchased guns the story might have legs but this one is going nowhere... especially if it's true that an armed school officer disarmed the shooter.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: quadzilla456 on January 31, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
Now is the time.

How many more children need to be shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZz4ZqSm4Xs

Wow you are a moron getting played! Don't be so fucking dumb please!!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on January 31, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
"Laquanda Pittman" and "Shakita Walker's" kids shooting each other over 'beef' doesnt exactly make for the kind of school shooting story the media loves.

 If they were white kids using legally purchased guns the story might have legs but this one is going nowhere... especially if it's true that an armed school officer disarmed the shooter.
QFT.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: SF1900 on January 31, 2013, 03:43:47 PM
The kid who got shot should have been walking around with an armed guard.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: tonymctones on January 31, 2013, 03:45:30 PM
The kid who got shot should have been walking around with an armed guard.
lets make the entire country a "gun free zone" it seems to work so well for schools


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: GigantorX on January 31, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
QFT.

Yep. This story will be a bit harder to twist and mold into the proper Leftist Gun Narrative.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 31, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
Now is the time.

How many more children need to be shot?





Watch this and learn something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi6gZU01yF8


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Bevo on January 31, 2013, 04:10:30 PM
Now is the time.

How many more children need to be shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZz4ZqSm4Xs


Nope not enough needs to be more, society and people are so stupid, I'm enjoying all this chaos and massacres


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 31, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Price Middle School Shooting: Multiple Injuries In Attack At Southeast Atlanta School


(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/969007/thumbs/s-PRICE-SHOOTING-large.jpg?6)

A police officer responds outside Price Middle School after a shooting, Thursday, Jan. 31, 2013 in Atlanta.
Police responded to a shooting at Price Middle School in Atlanta early Thursday afternoon, WSBTV reports.

Authorities say that multiple people, including a 14-year-old boy, were wounded, according to Fox News.

Police said the teen was shot in the back of the neck and immediately transported to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment, 11Alive reports.

More:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/price-middle-school-shooting_n_2592672.html?1359662406&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/price-middle-school-shooting_n_2592672.html?1359662406&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)

It's the guns fault. lol


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: ChopperRider on January 31, 2013, 04:42:57 PM
"Laquanda Pittman" and "Shakita Walker's" kids shooting each other over 'beef' doesnt exactly make for the kind of school shooting story the media loves.

 If they were white kids using legally purchased guns the story might have legs but this one is going nowhere... especially if it's true that an armed school officer disarmed the shooter.

You mean if the shooter had a white or Jewish sounding name like Zimmerman?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: JBGRAY on January 31, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
Overpaid cops playing as if they are in Iraq with all their military-grade weaponry and equipment......and we wonder where our tax money goes.

but hey...let's actually do something useful here....and scream altogether now!

"Ban all guns......now!!!!"

See? it worked!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 31, 2013, 04:49:50 PM
How many people died at this shooting? Because by the end of today, over 100 people will have died in car crash's all across America. And 100 people will die tomorrow and so on.

BAN CARS


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Archer77 on January 31, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
Every school should have one of these.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 31, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
More than a 1000 people each year die from electricity.

BAN ELECTRICITY


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 31, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
Over 3500 people each year die from drowning. Over 10 a day.

BAN WATER


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 31, 2013, 04:58:08 PM
We need Security1 to monitor this shit so it don't happen again.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: lightweight on January 31, 2013, 04:58:42 PM
Over 3500 people each day die from drowning. Over 10 a day.

BAN WATER

3500=10  ;)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 31, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
3500=10  ;)

 :)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on January 31, 2013, 05:45:18 PM
Guns don't hurt people, he could have just as easily used a home made slingshot!  ::)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 31, 2013, 06:05:33 PM
Guns don't hurt people, he could have just as easily used a home made slingshot!  ::)

Guns don't hurt people alone , Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR15 to murder 20 children at Sandy Hook , How many people have been killed with that Bushmaster since he killed himself? None.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 31, 2013, 06:19:57 PM
Now is the time.

How many more children need to be shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZz4ZqSm4Xs


F Obama - shit be upon him 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on January 31, 2013, 06:21:07 PM
Guns don't hurt people alone , Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR15 to murder 20 children at Sandy Hook , How many people have been killed with that Bushmaster since he killed himself? None.
3 days after the Sandy Hook Shooting in Oregon Jacob Roberts used an AR-15 to terrorize the local mall and kill two people and injure one other.  Just over a week after Sandy Hook, William Spengler murdered two people and injured another two with a Bushmaster Rifle.  These two incidents wee within a week after Sandy Hook, I am use of you look you will easily find some more considering how many people are murdered in America every day.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 31, 2013, 06:23:54 PM
3 days after the Sandy Hook Shooting in Oregon Jacob Roberts used an AR-15 to terrorize the local mall and kill two people and injure one other.  Just over a week after Sandy Hook, William Spengler murdered two people and injured another two with a Bushmaster Rifle.  These tow incidenrs wre within a week after Sandy Hook, I am use of you look you will easily find some more.


Good - Long Live the AR15 

I love my Bushmaster .223 - hopefully some leftist tyrant comes to get it 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on January 31, 2013, 06:24:26 PM

Good - Long Live the AR15 

I love my Bushmaster .223 - hopefully some leftist tyrant comes to get it 
Hopefully !


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on January 31, 2013, 06:32:32 PM
3 days after the Sandy Hook Shooting in Oregon Jacob Roberts used an AR-15 to terrorize the local mall and kill two people and injure one other.  Just over a week after Sandy Hook, William Spengler murdered two people and injured another two with a Bushmaster Rifle.  These tow incidents wee within a week after Sandy Hook, I am use of you look you will easily find some more considering how many people are murdered in America every day.
His point was that the weapon is worthless without the psycho to operate it. His bushmaster has killed exactly ZERO people since sandy hook.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on January 31, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
His point was that the weapon is worthless without the psycho to operate it. His bushmaster has killed exactly ZERO people since sandy hook.
That's nice to know, unfortunately other people also own Bushmasters, like the people who used them to shoot other people.  My car has never killed anybody, but I don't pretend other people aren't killed by them and that their should be little to no regulation on cars to encourage security and safety.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: SF1900 on January 31, 2013, 07:07:44 PM
3 days after the Sandy Hook Shooting in Oregon Jacob Roberts used an AR-15 to terrorize the local mall and kill two people and injure one other.  Just over a week after Sandy Hook, William Spengler murdered two people and injured another two with a Bushmaster Rifle.  These tow incidents wee within a week after Sandy Hook, I am use of you look you will easily find some more considering how many people are murdered in America every day.

E-Kul, why do you care about america so much?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mattyh7688 on January 31, 2013, 07:13:07 PM
E-Kul, why do you care about america so much?
he will never answer this.. his obsession is pathetic. You never once hear Americans here telling E-KUL how shitty ass Australia should be ran, but E-Kul is all about telling us how America should be ran.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on January 31, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
E-Kul, why do you care about america so much?
I don't particularly care about America, my concern has always been with special interest groups who hijack society and hold them hostage with their sick agendas, this wouldn't be so bad if innocent people weren't being murdered due to their special interests, but that's not the case.  In Australia, we have been fortunate to keep these special interest groups at bay, but one has to remain vigilant against these tyrants, they are not comprised of normal individuals and holding them at bay is an ongoing quest!  And unfortunately, here in Australia, they follow the lead of these sick American special interest groups, using all the same propaganda and lies, it just doesn't have the same impact because the average Australian punter is more enlightened than the American equivalent.  


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
3 days after the Sandy Hook Shooting in Oregon Jacob Roberts used an AR-15 to terrorize the local mall and kill two people and injure one other.  Just over a week after Sandy Hook, William Spengler murdered two people and injured another two with a Bushmaster Rifle.  These tow incidents wee within a week after Sandy Hook, I am use of you look you will easily find some more considering how many people are murdered in America every day.

Has nothing to do with what I typed. And it's extremely rare these rifles are used in murders.

Millions and Millions of AR15s in public hands and three cases of them being used and people act like it's the rule and not the exception.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
That's nice to know, unfortunately other people also own Bushmasters, like the people who used them to shoot other people.  My car has never killed anybody, but I don't pretend other people aren't killed by them and that their should be little to no regulation on cars to encourage security and safety.

There are regulations and plenty of them. Your analogy is worthless.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 11:00:30 AM
There are regulations and plenty of them. Your analogy is worthless.
Yeah, but the Gun regulations are not working! Time for a rethink!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
Exactly, most gun crimes in the United States are criminals shooting criminals.

Gun violence is still a rarity here.


No one is killed by "Assault Weapons", the talk of banning them is ludicrous.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:03:09 AM
I don't particularly care about America, my concern has always been with special interest groups who hijack society and hold them hostage with their sick agendas, this wouldn't be so bad if innocent people weren't being murdered due to their special interests, but that's not the case.  In Australia, we have been fortunate to keep these special interest groups at bay, but one has to remain vigilant against these tyrants, they are not comprised of normal individuals and holding them at bay is an ongoing quest!  And unfortunately, here in Australia, they follow the lead of these sick American special interest groups, using all the same propaganda and lies, it just doesn't have the same impact because the average Australian punter is more enlightened than the American equivalent.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KLhgZaRvc


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mattyh7688 on February 01, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
Exactly, most gun crimes in the United States are criminals shooting criminals.

Gun violence is still a rarity here.


No one is killed by "Assault Weapons", the talk of banning them is ludicrous.


white on white gun violence is very close to other countries' crime rates with extreme gun laws

That should tell you something


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 11:04:06 AM
 :)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 11:08:43 AM
I don't particularly care about America, my concern has always been with special interest groups who hijack society and hold them hostage with their sick agendas, this wouldn't be so bad if innocent people weren't being murdered due to their special interests, but that's not the case.  In Australia, we have been fortunate to keep these special interest groups at bay, but one has to remain vigilant against these tyrants, they are not comprised of normal individuals and holding them at bay is an ongoing quest!  And unfortunately, here in Australia, they follow the lead of these sick American special interest groups, using all the same propaganda and lies, it just doesn't have the same impact because the average Australian punter is more enlightened than the American equivalent.  

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I don't particularly care about America, my concern has always been with special interest groups who hijack society and hold them hostage with their sick agendas, this wouldn't be so bad if innocent people weren't being murdered due to their special interests, but that's not the case.

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT you're obsessed with America and guns. And the fucking irony of you claiming to hate special interest groups and holding people hostage with their agendas , and you have not uttered ONE FUCKING WORD about the anti-gun special interest group who is attempting to usurp the Constitution of the United Sates

you LOVE special interest groups when they spout your warp political ideology especially seeing you don't even reside in this country. And stop acting like you care one iota about any of the murdered children you already said you don't. You have a fear of Pitbulls because you were attacked , that I could get but your irrational fear of guns is based on your warped perception of what you think others need or deserve. And it's based off of nothing other than lies repeated by the anti-gun special interest group.

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 In Australia, we have been fortunate to keep these special interest groups at bay, but one has to remain vigilant against these tyrants, they are not comprised of normal individuals and holding them at bay is an ongoing quest!

This isn't Australia , our problems are wholly unique. Your ' solution ' is not our solution. The only tyrants are the ones demanding you turn in your guns like in your country.

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And unfortunately, here in Australia, they follow the lead of these sick American special interest groups, using all the same propaganda and lies, it just doesn't have the same impact because the average Australian punter is more enlightened than the American equivalent.  

The average Australia is a fucking idiot compare to the average American when you consider they turned in their guns like sheep , because some anti-gun politician decided you and your guns may be a murderer in the near future.

 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:09:49 AM
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT you're obsessed with America and guns. And the fucking irony of you claiming to hate special interest groups and holding people hostage with their agendas , and you have not uttered ONE FUCKING WORD about the anti-gun special interest group who is attempting to usurp the Constitution of the United Sates

x10000000


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
white on white gun violence is very close to other countries' crime rates with extreme gun laws

That should tell you something

It does tell me something...  :-X


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
It does tell me something...  :-X

Yes - that if we leave things alone - things will sort themselves out fine - the riff raff will off each other 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
:)
You oughta remove that "Planned Parenthood" nonsense out of your pictures.  Do you really want to pay for someone else`s Welfare Babies?  Let them get abortions.  Abortions should NEVER be restricted to anyone.  Furthermore, a fetus is not a person.

Consider removing that image.  Unless you want to help carry the umbrella for the Pro-Life morons.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mattyh7688 on February 01, 2013, 11:16:07 AM
It does tell me something...  :-X
I always laugh when people try to compare finland to the united states or something when comparing gun violence...... lets just say they don't have our wonderful diverse culture, something so many people seem to neglect as to the main reason to such high violent crime rate.

Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire the three whitest states in america

GUESS WHO HAS THE THREE LOWEST CRIME RATES???


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 11:17:44 AM
and you have not uttered ONE FUCKING WORD about the anti-gun special interest group who is attempting to usurp the Constitution of the United Sates


Another emotional meltdown by a crazy gun nutter who is obsessed with Guns.  The simple fact is, a citizen has a universal human right to safety and security, you think you are ensuring that by owning a gun when in fact you are multiplying the risk factor ten fold, the more guns in the community, the more people will be injured and killed by guns, this is simple fact and mathematics, you can dance around it all night with your clichés, lies and propaganda, but it is the truth.  In a civilised society, A gun nutters desire to own a gun, when participated in by millions of people, increases the chances of both you and I being the victim of gun crime, not lessens it.

And a group dedicated to upholding the Universal Human Right to Safety and Security is not a special Interest group, they are merely attempting to enforce their rights as a human being.  I don't see anywhere in the The Universal Declaration of Human Rights about the right for citizens to bear arms, and for me The Universal Declaration of Human Rights trumps any Nutjob constitution written by some slave traders to keep the Negroes in line.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
Abortion alone cuts down on more gun violence than any single measure ever implemented.  More Abortions, less gun violence and violence in the future.  How could anybody be against this?  Plus its less strain on all economic and resource systems.

Anyone who is Pro-Life should have to pay for the Unwanted Babies and Pregnancies to term and give the Pro-Choice the option out of paying any of it.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:18:41 AM
I always laugh when people try to compare finland to the united states or something when comparing gun violence...... lets just say they don't have our wonderful diverse culture, something so many people seem to neglect as to the main reason to such high violent crime rate.

Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire the three whitest states in america

GUESS WHO HAS THE THREE LOWEST CRIME RATES???

Dead on, but for some reason (that I cannot for the life of me understand) even though this is a completely obvious fact, you're not allowed to talk about it.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mattyh7688 on February 01, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Abortion alone cuts down on more gun violence than any single measure ever implemented.  More Abortions, less gun violence and violence in the future.  How could anybody be against this?  Plus its less strain on all economic and resource systems.

Anyone who is Pro-Life should have to pay for the Unwanted Babies and Pregnancies to term and give the Pro-Choice the option out of paying any of it.


You know for the longest time I was against abortion, but you make valid points and I have been slowly more in favor of abortion, simply because I see the people who do get abortions...It is never people who are contributing members to society.  I also believe anyone on Welfare should have 3 months to get off welfare while pregnant or be forced to have a mandatory abortion


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 11:20:50 AM
I always laugh when people try to compare finland to the united states or something when comparing gun violence...... lets just say they don't have our wonderful diverse culture, something so many people seem to neglect as to the main reason to such high violent crime rate.

Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire the three whitest states in america

GUESS WHO HAS THE THREE LOWEST CRIME RATES???
also, nobody really wants to live in those states. And I bet they have less bbers, and less people who do PEDs...
Would you want to live there? And would you like to be a Bber from there?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 11:22:45 AM
also, nobody really wants to live in those states. And I bet they have less bbers, and less people who do PEDs...
Would you want to live there? And would you like to be a Bber from there?
Absolutely beautiful in the summer time.  They are nice places to live, especially if you like a lot of land.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: MikMaq on February 01, 2013, 11:23:17 AM
Guns dont kill people, retard fucking americans arguing for guns rights do.

What self respecting white man has time to argue for guns, like fuck seriously there's something fucking wrong with your country.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:24:12 AM
You know for the longest time I was against abortion, but you make valid points and I have been slowly more in favor of abortion, simply because I see the people who do get abortions...It is never people who are contributing members to society.  I also believe anyone on Welfare should have 3 months to get off welfare while pregnant or be forced to have a mandatory abortion

I've seen some of the craziest shit lately, I was driving through a low income/section 8 neighborhood and this little two year old darted for the busy street.  I slammed by brakes on, the kid stopped just in time.  His gigantic mom ran out finally, grabbed him by the arm and started beating him.   ::)

I understand abortion now...


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 11:24:54 AM
You know for the longest time I was against abortion, but you make valid points and I have been slowly more in favor of abortion, simply because I see the people who do get abortions...It is never people who are contributing members to society.  I also believe anyone on Welfare should have 3 months to get off welfare while pregnant or be forced to have a mandatory abortion
All walks of life get them.  No matter if they are contributing to society or are millionaires, they both reducing the strain on resources and our economy.  One human being gobbles up a significant amount of money and resources in their lifetime.  


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 11:25:00 AM
Abortion alone cuts down on more gun violence than any single measure ever implemented.  More Abortions, less gun violence and violence in the future.  How could anybody be against this?  Plus its less strain on all economic and resource systems.

Anyone who is Pro-Life should have to pay for the Unwanted Babies and Pregnancies to term and give the Pro-Choice the option out of paying any of it.



The image was funny to me.    ;D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
Guns dont kill people, retard fucking americans arguing for guns rights do.

What self respecting white man has time to argue for guns, like fuck seriously there's something fucking wrong with your country.

Fuck off, ignorant savage.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 11:26:04 AM
Yeah, but the Gun regulations are not working! Time for a rethink!

Says who? You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The state of Connecticut already has an ' assault weapons ban ' in effect , Obama wants to reinstate it for the rest of the country. It would not and did not prevent anything

Connecticut has some of the most stringent gun laws in the United States and it still happened. NOT one single position offered up by the anti-gun lobbies would have prevented this NONE


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 11:27:59 AM
Says who? You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The state of Connecticut already has an ' assault weapons ban ' in effect , Obama wants to reinstate it for the rest of the country. It would not and did not prevent anything

Connecticut has some of the most stringent gun laws in the United States and it still happened. NOT one single position offered up by the anti-gun lobbies would have prevented this NONE


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:31:14 AM
Why are foreigners so butt hurt about Americans having guns, but they don't mind all the murders in Russia or Brazil where guns are banned?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457288.0;attach=503267;image)

YES!!

"BECAUSE THERE ARE CRIMINALS, I DON'T LOSE MY RIGHTS!"


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
YES!!

"BECAUSE THERE ARE CRIMINALS, I DON'T LOSE MY RIGHTS!"

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457288.0;attach=503267;image)
Geez, posting a picture of half a dozen criminals isn't helping your case.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:42:46 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457288.0;attach=503267;image)
Geez, posting a picture of half a dozen criminals isn't helping your case.

Ladies and gentlemen, these are the kind of people that want to forcefully disarm you.^^^

This is where the debate ends, our views are to vastly different to achieve anything here. 



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 11:49:12 AM
I love how with every shooting trigger-happy freaks go nuts about buying even more guns to defend themselves...by 2025 everybody will be having an armed cybernetic robocop-esque guard to go to the fucking grocery store.  Instead, us, the rest of the world will still be living quietly and peacefully leaving our kids at school without the fear of some random ignorant piece of shit marauding around willing to solve their problems THE MURRIKAN WAY.

LONG LIVE THE LAND OF THE FREE



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 11:49:19 AM
Another emotional meltdown by a crazy gun nutter who is obsessed with Guns.  The simple fact is, a citizen has a universal human right to safety and security, you think you are ensuring that by owning a gun when in fact you are multiplying the risk factor ten fold, the more guns in the community, the more people will be injured and killed by guns, this is simple fact and mathematics, you can dance around it all night with your clichés, lies and propaganda, but it is the truth.  In a civilised society, A gun nutters desire to own a gun, when participated in by millions of people, increases the chances of both you and I being the victim of gun crime, not lessens it.

And a group dedicated to upholding the Universal Human Right to Safety and Security is not a special Interest group, they are merely attempting to enforce their rights as a human being.  I don't see anywhere in the The Universal Declaration of Human Rights about the right for citizens to bear arms, and for me The Universal Declaration of Human Rights trumps any Nutjob constitution written by some slave traders to keep the Negroes in line.

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Another emotional meltdown by a crazy gun nutter who is obsessed with Guns.  The simple fact is, a citizen has a universal human right to safety and security, you think you are ensuring that by owning a gun when in fact you are multiplying the risk factor ten fold, the more guns in the community, the more people will be injured and killed by guns, this is simple fact and mathematics, you can dance around it all night with your clichés, lies and propaganda, but it is the truth.  In a civilised society, A gun nutters desire to own a gun, when participated in by millions of people, increases the chances of both you and I being the victim of gun crime, not lessens it.

You just played your hand right here , whenever someone confronts you with facts you attack them personally , ad hominem attacks is all you have left because you were outed for being a hypocrite when screaming about special interest groups and you haven't uttered a word about the anti-gun special interest groups trying their hardest to usurp the Constitution.

And anything that can be asserted without facts can be dismissed without them as well. I can prove that more guns doesn't mean more violence can you prove they do? of course not because if you could you would have instead of just making the assertion. 
;)

a citizen has a universal human right to safety and security This is actually something we both agree on , however banning guns does not equate to making anyone more safe or secure. You don't want guns don't buy one but to claim I shouldn't be able to buy on to protect myself and my family is immoral

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And a group dedicated to upholding the Universal Human Right to Safety and Security is not a special Interest group, they are merely attempting to enforce their rights as a human being.  I don't see anywhere in the The Universal Declaration of Human Rights about the right for citizens to bear arms, and for me The Universal Declaration of Human Rights trumps any Nutjob constitution written by some slave traders to keep the Negroes in line.

See above , anti-gun people are NOT upholding the ' Universal human right to safety ' They are a special interest lobby on par with the NRA in their zealotry , at least the NRA actually does some good , all these people want to do is make people less safe.

The Universal Declaration of Human rights doesn't trump MY Constitution. You be happy in your country with your special interest groups controlling your life. I don't worry about your country , stop trying to dictate policy in my country. 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 11:51:02 AM
I've seen some of the craziest shit lately, I was driving through a low income/section 8 neighborhood and this little two year old darted for the busy street.  I slammed by brakes on, the kid stopped just in time.  His gigantic mom ran out finally, grabbed him by the arm and started beating him.   ::)

I understand abortion now...
he'll think twice before running out in the street without looking...
Being almost hit and getting a whuppin for it, helps...


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
I love how with every shooting trigger-happy freaks go nuts about buying even more guns to defend themselves...by 2025 everybody will be having an armed cybernetic robocop-esque guard to go to the fucking grocery store.  Instead, us, the rest of the world will still be living quietly and peacefully leaving our kids at school without the fear of some random ignorant piece of shit marauding around willing to solve their problems THE MURRIKAN WAY.

LONG LIVE THE LAND OF THE FREE

 ;D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 11:56:12 AM
I love how with every shooting trigger-happy freaks go nuts about buying even more guns to defend themselves...by 2025 everybody will be having an armed cybernetic robocop-esque guard to go to the fucking grocery store.  Instead, us, the rest of the world will still be living quietly and peacefully leaving our kids at school without the fear of some random ignorant piece of shit marauding around willing to solve their problems THE MURRIKAN WAY.

LONG LIVE THE LAND OF THE FREE



Yeah they lived quietly & peacefully in Norway too , they thought they had it all figured out and that willful ignorance cost 77 their lives and 242 injuries. Pretending danger isn't all about doesn't change that it is.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
he'll think twice before running out in the street without looking...
Being almost hit and getting a whuppin for it, helps...


Yeah but she was the idiot that was up on the porch, while her tiny kid ran around in the front yard in a diaper in 40 degree weather.

She's the one that needs to be beat.


The kid is going to grow up to be an even bigger idiot than his mother.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 11:59:38 AM
Yeah they lived quietly & peacefully in Norway too , they thought they had it all figured out and that willful ignorance cost 77 their lives and 242 injuries. Pretending danger isn't all about doesn't change that it is.


Oh no, one guy killed 77 people?? PREPOSTEROUS!  Imagined if that happened systematically in a country for decades...oh wait.  ;D

Call it as you will blind folks, violence brings more violence and YOUR KIDS are the living (or dying, lel) proof of it.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 12:02:33 PM
You just played your hand right here , whenever someone confronts you with facts you attack them personally , ad hominem attacks is all you have left because you were outed for being a hypocrite when screaming about special interest groups and you haven't uttered a word about the anti-gun special interest groups trying their hardest to usurp the Constitution.

And anything that can be asserted without facts can be dismissed without them as well. I can prove that more guns doesn't mean more violence can you prove they do? of course not because if you could you would have instead of just making the assertion.  
;)

a citizen has a universal human right to safety and security This is actually something we both agree on , however banning guns does not equate to making anyone more safe or secure. You don't want guns don't buy one but to claim I shouldn't be able to buy on to protect myself and my family is immoral

See above , anti-gun people are NOT upholding the ' Universal human right to safety ' They are a special interest lobby on par with the NRA in their zealotry , at least the NRA actually does some good , all these people want to do is make people less safe.

The Universal Declaration of Human rights doesn't trump MY Constitution. You be happy in your country with your special interest groups controlling your life. I don't worry about your country , stop trying to dictate policy in my country.  
You are so full of shit, you cannot prove that more guns = less violence.  This is what is absolutely insane about Gun Nutters, they simply don't understand basic mathematics.  If there is say 100 swimming pools in a small community of 10000 residents. And every year for 10 years 1 person drowns and dies in the pool, so over the course of 10 years, ten people drowned and died.  So, based on the law of averages you have a 1% fatality rate, now if everyone in that community gets a pool, you now have one hundred people dying per year, all based on an increase in pool ownership. The amount of fatalities is know 100 times greater than when it was when only a few people owned a pool. This simple equation applies with anything that cause fatalities, including guns.  More Guns equals MORE VIOLENCE and DEATH!

You guys live in some utopian modern day wild west fantasy world where every one carries a gun and the good guys always win the shoot out.  Dream on.  The fact remains, children will continue getting murdered by guns at embarrassing rates compared to the rest of the civilised industrialised world, Gun Nutters will continue to masturbate while holding their guns, and sociopathic Special interest groups like the NRA will continue to hold every one hostage, man woman and child.

And suggesting others are immoral because others don't want to be murdered by a gun because you want one is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.  This is why they call you guys NUTTERS.  The sad thing is, you fail to understand, the very thing you claim affords you some type of security is the very thing that robs other citizens of theirs.  I think it is highly IMMORAL to suggest that you should be able to own something that dramatically increase my chances of being murdered or injured.  Outright sociopathic in FACT!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 12:03:57 PM
Oh no, one guy killed 77 people?? PREPOSTEROUS!  Imagined if that happened systematically in a country for decades...oh wait.  ;D

Call it as you will blind folks, violence brings more violence and YOUR KIDS are the living (or dying, lel) proof of it.

Extremely remote occurrence when compared to our total population.

We won't allow the government to trample peoples rights, to accommodate criminals.


I feel guilty, I have a gun I don't really need while you're not legally allowed to own one and you could probably really use it!  :(


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 12:04:20 PM
;D

Is this gun related homicide? Does this have anything to do with mass murdering? Do you see any country with such social issue on gun property?

I will pass on you statistics until I see some real evidence.  Furthermore, luckily , that isnt my countries situation.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
 :D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
Extremely remote occurrence when compared to our total population.

I dont know the numbers, but the fact that its actually systematic and spread nationally should be mildly alarming.  Notice violence in general (be it of any nature) is a problem world wide, nothing new here, what calls my attention the most is that this particular type of violence is exacerbated with guns, irrational shooting to groups of people (its easier to mass murder with a gun than with say, a bat). Im not talking about hate crimes, nor organized criminals, no, shooting kids, shooting Uni students, shooting people at the fucking movies, do you not see how particular your situation is compared to other type of violence (for example, drug related?) This is violence qua violence, made easy because of lax gun legislation and poor social awareness and responsibility.

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We won't allow the government to trample peoples rights, to accommodate criminals.

Statistic for a "shitty" country like mine were released yesterday (www.emol.cl), all forms of violent crime have diminished, no chang ein gun control regulation.  Also, I am sick and tired of reading this "people´s rights" argument, you just dont understand that rights can and do change across the world.  Rights have an ethical grounding, and if you value more the right to own guns without the actual duty of education and responsibility, than social safety and peace well, you are free to be unreasonable.  

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I feel guilty, I have a gun I don't really need while you're not legally allowed to own one and you could probably really use it!  :(
Why would I really use it? Why do you feel the need to lie about me? Does it give you peace of mind to lie to yourself thinking ERRYBODY NEEDS GUNZZZ TO BE HAPYY?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 12:14:26 PM


We don't value the right to bear arms because we merely like guns.  I don't have much of an interest in guns.

It's an essential right because it empowers the individual.  As long as the right to bear arms is so relevant, it will stand.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 12:15:46 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
You are so full of shit, you cannot prove that more guns = less violence.  This is what is absolutely insane about Gun Nutters, they simply don't understand basic mathematics.  If there is say 100 swimming pools in a small community of 10000 residents. And every year for 10 years 1 person drowns and dies in the pool, so over the course of 10 years, ten people drowned and died.  So, based on the law of averages you have a 1% fatality rate, now if everyone in that community gets a pool, you now have one hundred people dying per year, all based on an increase in pool ownership. The amount of fatalities is know 100 times greater than when it was when only a few people owned a pool. This simple equation applies with anything that cause fatalities, including guns.  More Guns equals MORE VIOLENCE and DEATH!

You guys live in some utopian modern day wild west fantasy world where every one carries a gun and the good guys always win the shoot out.  Dream on.  The fact remains, children will continue getting murdered by guns at embarrassing rates compared to the rest of the civilised industrialised world, Gun Nutters will continue to masturbate while holding their guns, and sociopathic Special interest groups like the NRA will continue to hold every one hostage, man woman and child.

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You are so full of shit, you cannot prove that more guns = less violence.  This is what is absolutely insane about Gun Nutters, they simply don't understand basic mathematics. 

more guns doesn't mean more violence Reading comprehension problem? and again prove your position DO NOT assert it.

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More Guns equals MORE VIOLENCE and DEATH!


Prove it , don't assert it. And nonsense

Fifty-five million kids went to school on the day that 20 were massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Even in the United States, therefore, the chances of a child’s dying in a school shooting are remote. As my friend Steven Pinker demonstrates in his monumental study of human violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, our perception of danger is easily distorted by rare events. Is gun violence increasing in the United States? No. But it certainly seems to be when one recalls recent atrocities in Newtown and Aurora. In fact, the overall rate of violent crime has fallen by 22 percent in the past decade (and 18 percent in the past five years).

300 million guns and the overall rate of violent crimes has FALLEN by 22 percent in the past 10 years , proof positive more guns does NOT mean more violence.  ;)

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You guys live in some utopian modern day wild west fantasy world where every one carries a gun and the good guys always win the shoot out.  Dream on.  The fact remains, children will continue getting murdered by guns at embarrassing rates compared to the rest of the civilised industrialised world, Gun Nutters will continue to masturbate while holding their guns, and sociopathic Special interest groups like the NRA will continue to hold every one hostage, man woman and child.

That's you projecting , no one thinks guns are the end all be all solution but your alternative of no one having them legally isn't the solution and it's immoral to suggest otherwise.

The NRA isn't shooting kids , keep blaming everyone and everything besides the lunatics who commit these atrocities. The only special interest groups who want to make it easily for murderers is the anti-gun lobby , who create ' gun free school zones ' which let mass murderers know in advanced they will go unopposed. They are complicit in these tragic events  

Keep outing yourself as an immoral person who wants to make things easier for mass murderers.  ;)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 12:27:12 PM
We don't value the right to bear arms because we merely like guns.  I don't have much of an interest in guns.

This is an empirical matter, Id actually say that most, if not all, of the trigger-happy freaks do actually like guns and hence fight for lax legislation which will enble them to access all type of toys they fantasize about (very phallocentric by the way).

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It's an essential right because it empowers the individual.  As long as the right to bear arms is so relevant, it will stand.
It is an essential right because its in the bill of rights, which in turn has brooded in your folk a cultural legacy of gun-love.  When the folk themselves open their eyes and see that violence only brings more violence (and your kids pay with their life for it) you will be willing to ammend the constitution, just like almost every other country has done, changing constitutions to reflect the ethical imperatives of the time.  Until then, yes, you are completely free to suck the cock of the NRA and buy all the toys you want, I am not saying that you cant, I am saying that you SHOULDNT.

(And all illegal guns should be confiscated and all legal owners should take new, much harsher psychological tests followed by public education and awareness campaigns, in schools, in workplaces, everywhere.)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: disco_stu on February 01, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
clearly the gun lobby has a grip on the simple people in the USA.

You cant argue with simple people- you will never convince them because they just dont get it.

its like trying to explain numbers to a downy...he'll just try and hug you and then eat a moth.

i say deregulate aircraft and air traffic control..they dont kill many people, so lets just make it real easy for everyone to get them and they can fly them where ever they want, whenever they want...besides, its just the crazy plane owners who cause the problems.

and while on the topic- you dont want to pay for welfare but you are ok paying for the millions in costs everytime there is a shooting- not just a mass shooting?!

watching the US from the safety of my country is like watching a slow motion train wreck. ..i really feel sorry for you. ive been there many times and the poverty and violence is astounding. if it ever was the best place on earth, its not even close now...not by a long shot.





Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
clearly the gun lobby has a grip on the simple people in the USA.

You cant argue with simple people- you will never convince them because they just dont get it.

its like trying to explain numbers to a downy...he'll just try and hug you and then eat a moth.

i say deregulate aircraft and air traffic control..they dont kill many people, so lets just make it real easy for everyone to get them and they can fly them where ever they want, whenever they want...besides, its just the crazy plane owners who cause the problems.

and while on the topic- you dont want to pay for welfare but you are ok paying for the millions in costs everytime there is a shooting- not just a mass shooting?!

]watching the US from the safety of my country is like watching a slow motion train wreck. ..i really feel sorry for you[/b. ive been there many times and the poverty and violence is astounding. if it ever was the best place on earth, its not even close now...not by a long shot.




This is exactly how I feel, I love the US, have many friends there, and envy a lot of your culture, this particular aspect is really lacking though.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 12:32:37 PM
I feel the same way about the 1st amendment - leave it the fuck alone!

clearly the gun lobby has a grip on the simple people in the USA.

You cant argue with simple people- you will never convince them because they just dont get it.

its like trying to explain numbers to a downy...he'll just try and hug you and then eat a moth.

i say deregulate aircraft and air traffic control..they dont kill many people, so lets just make it real easy for everyone to get them and they can fly them where ever they want, whenever they want...besides, its just the crazy plane owners who cause the problems.

and while on the topic- you dont want to pay for welfare but you are ok paying for the millions in costs everytime there is a shooting- not just a mass shooting?!

watching the US from the safety of my country is like watching a slow motion train wreck. ..i really feel sorry for you. ive been there many times and the poverty and violence is astounding. if it ever was the best place on earth, its not even close now...not by a long shot.






Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: dr.chimps on February 01, 2013, 12:34:27 PM
I feel the same way about the 1st amendment - leave it the fuck alone!


I don't see silk in your future. 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
more guns doesn't mean more violence Reading comprehension problem? and again prove your position DO NOT assert it.
 

Prove it , don't assert it. And nonsense

Fifty-five million kids went to school on the day that 20 were massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Even in the United States, therefore, the chances of a child’s dying in a school shooting are remote. As my friend Steven Pinker demonstrates in his monumental study of human violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, our perception of danger is easily distorted by rare events. Is gun violence increasing in the United States? No. But it certainly seems to be when one recalls recent atrocities in Newtown and Aurora. In fact, the overall rate of violent crime has fallen by 22 percent in the past decade (and 18 percent in the past five years).

300 million guns and the overall rate of violent crimes has FALLEN by 22 percent in the past 10 years , proof positive more guns does NOT mean more violence.  ;)

That's you projecting , no one thinks guns are the end all be all solution but your alternative of no one having them legally isn't the solution and it's immoral to suggest otherwise.

The NRA isn't shooting kids , keep blaming everyone and everything besides the lunatics who commit these atrocities. The only special interest groups who want to make it easily for murderers is the anti-gun lobby , who create ' gun free school zones ' which let mass murderers know in advanced they will go unopposed. They are complicit in these tragic events  

Keep outing yourself as an immoral person who wants to make things easier for mass murderers.  ;)
Your nuttiness is right up there, to describe the regular inevitable mass shootings in America as RARE is absolutely INSANE.  Proof positive that you are truly of your rocker.  For a mass shooting to happen anywhere here in Australia is RARE, let alone at a school, and we haven't had a mass shooting for over 16 years.  You have the worst gun homicide and serious injury rate of all the Industrialised nations, that's because you have millions of gun owners, this is simple maths, of course unless your a semi literate gun owner of course.  I could post charts and statistics until the cows come home on this one simple fact, but to even argue that Americas homicide rate is way out of control, is a form on incredible denial and insanity, and I will not continue to enable ludicrousness.

The NRA may not be shooting KIDS, but they sure have enabled and promoted an environment were it is inevitable for these shootings to happen.   Hitler never personally killed anybody, but nobody would argue that he wasn't responsible for unimaginable suffering and death.  If you promote an ideology that leads to unnecessary homicide, the people are going to hold you to account.  For you to take some twisted moral high-ground that you have a right to continue enabling this very environment that sees many innocent people unnecessarily die is really perverse, it truly is reminiscent of the NAZIS blaming the JEWS for their own demise.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Radical Plato on February 01, 2013, 01:04:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KLhgZaRvc
^^^^^ More Gun Nutter propaganda.

A more realistic look......

On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.

Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

There have been some contrarian studies about the decrease in gun violence in Australia, including a 2006 paper that argued the decline in gun-related homicides after Port Arthur was simply a continuation of trends already under way. But that paper’s methodology has been discredited, which is not surprising when you consider that its authors were affiliated with pro-gun groups. Other reports from gun advocates have similarly cherry-picked anecdotal evidence or presented outright fabrications in attempting to make the case that Australia’s more-restrictive laws didn’t work. Those are effectively refuted by findings from peer-reviewed papers, which note that the rate of decrease in gun-related deaths more than doubled following the gun buyback, and that states with the highest buyback rates showed the steepest declines. A 2011 Harvard summary of the research concluded that, at the time the laws were passed in 1996, “it would have been difficult to imagine more compelling future evidence of a beneficial effect.”

Whether the same policies would work as well in the United States—or whether similar legislation would have any chance of being passed here in the first place—is an open question. Howard, the conservative leader behind the Australian reforms, wrote an op-ed in an Australian paper after visiting the United States in the wake of the Aurora shootings. He came away convinced that America needed to change its gun laws, but lamented its lack of will to do so.

There is more to this than merely the lobbying strength of the National Rifle Association and the proximity of the November presidential election. It is hard to believe that their reaction would have been any different if the murders in Aurora had taken place immediately after the election of either Obama or Romney. So deeply embedded is the gun culture of the US, that millions of law-abiding, Americans truly believe that it is safer to own a gun, based on the chilling logic that because there are so many guns in circulation, one's own weapon is needed for self-protection. To put it another way, the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back.

That’s certainly how things looked after the Aurora shooting. But after Sandy Hook, with the nation shocked and groping for answers once again, I wonder if Americans are still so sure that we have nothing to learn from Australia’s example.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: marty31672 on February 01, 2013, 01:05:49 PM
how about we send the kids to school with guns so they can defend theyself


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 01:22:42 PM
If five people were breaking into my house, what am I supposed to do?  ???


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 01, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
If five people were breaking into my house, what am I supposed to do?  ???

Sing Kumbaya and Give Peace a Chance


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 01:26:32 PM
Sing Kumbaya and Give Peace a Chance
Think they would leave if I offered them a slice of Jefferson Davis Pie and some Lemonade?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
If five people were breaking into my house, what am I supposed to do?  ???
Your natural reaction (natural as, say, your "bodybuilding" status) would be to shoot em all, this I know because you have the "fight fire with fire" mentality.

What you should do if you had a more reasonable thinking would be to call the cops and avoid spreading exacerbated violence.  Now, dont get me wrong, I can see that in the current situation its very hard to act reasonably, this is why the government (whichever) is the first step to solving this insanity.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
Your nuttiness is right up there, to describe the regular inevitable mass shootings in America as RARE is absolutely INSANE.  Proof positive that you are truly of your rocker.  For a mass shooting to happen anywhere here in Australia is RARE, let alone at a school, and we haven't had a mass shooting for over 16 years.  You have the worst gun homicide and serious injury rate of all the Industrialised nations, that's because you have millions of gun owners, this is simple maths, of course unless your a semi literate gun owner of course.  I could post charts and statistics until the cows come home on this one simple fact, but to even argue that Americas homicide rate is way out of control, is a form on incredible denial and insanity, and I will not continue to enable ludicrousness.

The NRA may not be shooting KIDS, but they sure have enabled and promoted an environment were it is inevitable for these shootings to happen.   Hitler never personally killed anybody, but nobody would argue that he wasn't responsible for unimaginable suffering and death.  If you promote an ideology that leads to unnecessary homicide, the people are going to hold you to account.  For you to take some twisted moral high-ground that you have a right to continue enabling this very environment that sees many innocent people unnecessarily die is really perverse, it truly is reminiscent of the NAZIS blaming the JEWS for their own demise.


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Your nuttiness is right up there, to describe the regular inevitable mass shootings in America as RARE is absolutely INSANE.  Proof positive that you are truly of your rocker.  For a mass shooting to happen anywhere here in Australia is RARE, let alone at a school, and we haven't had a mass shooting for over 16 years.  You have the worst gun homicide and serious injury rate of all the Industrialised nations, that's because you have millions of gun owners, this is simple maths, of course unless your a semi literate gun owner of course.  I could post charts and statistics until the cows come home on this one simple fact, but to even argue that Americas homicide rate is way out of control, is a form on incredible denial and insanity, and I will not continue to enable ludicrousness.

Mass shootings in America are exceedingly rare , regardless of what you type and don't even constitute the majority of deaths by firearms. It's only your perception of these types of events that's warped and I can always correct that with facts  ;)

Seventy mass shootings have occurred in the U.S. since 1982, leaving 543 dead. These crimes were horrific, but 564,452 other homicides took place in the U.S. during the same period. Mass shootings scarcely represent 0.1 percent of all murders. When talking about the problem of guns in our society, it is easy to lose sight of the worst violence and to become fixated on symbols of violence.

0.1% , I will type that again for our mentally challenged friends. ZERO-POINT-ONE% no matter what you type I will NOT let you escape facts  ;)

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but to even argue that Americas homicide rate is way out of control, is a form on incredible denial and insanity, and I will not continue to enable ludicrousness.

I said mass shootings are rare , not that our rate isn't high , stick to facts and stop responding to points no one if making. Two others rates of homicide are even higher and you are NOT complaining one bit , you're only harping on America, Three you don't fucking care one bit about any of the victims ( you've admitted this ) so you're only here to spew your anti-American/anti-gun bullshit out of not compassion but fear and some narcissistic belief that we should be and want to be like you and your country.


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The NRA may not be shooting KIDS, but they sure have enabled and promoted an environment were it is inevitable for these shootings to happen.   Hitler never personally killed anybody, but nobody would argue that he wasn't responsible for unimaginable suffering and death.  If you promote an ideology that leads to unnecessary homicide, the people are going to hold you to account.  For you to take some twisted moral high-ground that you have a right to continue enabling this very environment that sees many innocent people unnecessarily die is really perverse, it truly is reminiscent of the NAZIS blaming the JEWS for their own demise.

More anti-gun lobby bullshit , the NRA has never taken a position where they wanted criminals to have access to firearms , you're a liar. You can't even argue with any integrity , you can't formulate a rational argument because you're to emotional , you don't even live in this country , you don't even care about one single fucking victim of gun violence , this alone makes you despicable.

You're an immoral person who wants to take firearms away from law-abiding citizens and make it easier for mass murderers to rack up the counts. And Godwin's laws LMFAO it didn't take you long did it? You really need to learn how to form an argument because you're getting exposed for what you are , an overly emotion damaged adult with an irrational fear of guns obsessing over policies in another country while tying to act like you care about the great man when in fact you already said you didn't care one bit for any of the children who died , you're a despicable human when you use the bodies of 20 dead children to further your anti-gun agenda.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
Your natural reaction (natural as, say, your "bodybuilding" status) would be to shoot em all, this I know because you have the "fight fire with fire" mentality.

What you should do if you had a more reasonable thinking would be to call the cops and avoid spreading exacerbated violence.  Now, dont get me wrong, I can see that in the current situation its very hard to act reasonably, this is why the government (whichever) is the first step to solving this insanity.


Call the cops? that's no solution at all , it took the police TWENTY fucking minutes to respond from first getting the call at Sandy Hook , think about that 20 minutes that's astonishing. And it's asinine to wait for the police , who might I remind people are under NO legal right to respond to your call according to the supreme court ruling.


The reasonable thing to do is to be proactive and protect your family to suggest anyone is wrong for trying to do this is immoral and flat-out wrong. You don't want to do that , knock yourself out , however to suggest no one should you're high. Anyone who has the audacity to invade your home is crossing a grave line and should be dealt with accordingly.


 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 03:16:42 PM
Call the cops? that's no solution at all , it took the police TWENTY fucking minutes to respond from first getting the call at Sandy Hook , think about that 20 minutes that's astonishing. And it's asinine to wait for the police , who might I remind people are under NO legal right to respond to your call according to the supreme court ruling.


The reasonable thing to do is to be proactive and protect your family to suggest anyone is wrong for trying to do this is immoral and flat-out wrong. You don't want to do that , knock yourself out , however to suggest no one should you're high. Anyone who has the audacity to invade your home is crossing a grave line and should be dealt with accordingly.


  

If you have followed the posts Ive made before this one, youd understand that I dont think you should go to jail for self-defense, nor that you are acting morally wrong on all accounts.  For the greater good of society, yes, people need to stop with the fight fire with fire idiocy.  Then again, as I posted before and will again, its in the hands of the government to confiscate illegal weapons and in the hands of the experts to draft a sane gun law, first step to a reformulation.  I understand what self-defense and acting-by-need is, but from each and every post Ive read in the hundreds of posts, you people dont think guns are a last resort or "acting by needs", you worship them and that delusion that the second ammendment is TRU FREEDZOMSSS.

If you could change the switch yourselves the next generation of kids would not pay by blood.

Also, theres different types of violence, each dealt in different ways (for example, violence in the masses -mass conducts-, violence related to drug crimes, violence related to power disputes, etc), the fact that you deny that this systematic irrational mass murdering, A PARTICULAR TYPE OF VIOLENCE, is a problem is hilarious.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: SF1900 on February 01, 2013, 03:20:08 PM
We need armed guards protecting armed guards who are protected by arm guards.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
Your natural reaction (natural as, say, your "bodybuilding" status) would be to shoot em all, this I know because you have the "fight fire with fire" mentality.

What you should do if you had a more reasonable thinking would be to call the cops and avoid spreading exacerbated violence.  Now, dont get me wrong, I can see that in the current situation its very hard to act reasonably, this is why the government (whichever) is the first step to solving this insanity.

What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know.

Do we agree that the US in terms of social security is fucked up? Yes, for now, self-defense or state of need is the only thing you can grab unto to defend you phallic toys.  Now, we all know NONE of you have ever mentioned any of those defenses in order to justify the possession of guns, you all have actually defended guns by the second ammendment and FREEDOMZZZ.

Hence, you are now in a disjunctive, either keep ramming with these fight fire with fire insanity and have more kids shot...or soak up some courage and (in a hypothetical case, where you had a decent government) change the second ammendment, initiate the confisctaion of all ilegal weapons (which of course will take time) and test all legitimate gun owners with harsh psychological tests, maybe even have rise the penalties for gun related homicides.

If you like the status quo right now, go ahead, keep fighting violence with more violence, keep the access to illegal weapons easy, its your kids who are getting shot, not mine.

If you dont like that REAL scenario, there is no other way around it buddy, someone has to start the change (no, this is not an Obama quote, I dont like him that much either).





Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 03:55:37 PM
What you should do if you had a more reasonable thinking would be to call the cops and avoid spreading exacerbated violence. 
Yeah, fuck that. Do you have any idea how long it takes the Police to react to a call in most areas? Minimum of a half an hour. I'm not going to cower in the corner praying that the criminals are just going to take what they want and leave while the police are finger popping each others assholes.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 04:13:10 PM
Do we agree that the US in terms of social security is fucked up? Yes, for now, self-defense or state of need is the only thing you can grab unto to defend you phallic toys.  Now, we all know NONE of you have ever mentioned any of those defenses in order to justify the possession of guns, you all have actually defended guns by the second ammendment and FREEDOMZZZ.

Hence, you are now in a disjunctive, either keep ramming with these fight fire with fire insanity and have more kids shot...or soak up some courage and (in a hypothetical case, where you had a decent government) change the second ammendment, initiate the confisctaion of all ilegal weapons (which of course will take time) and test all legitimate gun owners with harsh psychological tests, maybe even have rise the penalties for gun related homicides.

If you like the status quo right now, go ahead, keep fighting violence with more violence, keep the access to illegal weapons easy, its your kids who are getting shot, not mine.

If you dont like that REAL scenario, there is no other way around it buddy, someone has to start the change (no, this is not an Obama quote, I dont like him that much either).




Malcolm X, The Ballot or The Bullet, 1964
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"Brothers and sisters, if you and I would just realize, that once we learn to talk the language that they understand, they will then get the point. You can't ever reach a man if you don't speak his language. If a man speaks the language of brute force, you can't come to him with peace. Why goodnight! He'll break you in two, as he has been doing all along. If a man speaks French, you can't speak to him in German. If he speaks Swahili, you can't communicate with him in Chinese. You have to find out, what does this man speak? Once you know his language, learn how to speak his language. He'll get the point, there will be some dialogue, some communication, and some understanding will be developed.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
^^^^^ More Gun Nutter propaganda.

A more realistic look......

On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.

Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

There have been some contrarian studies about the decrease in gun violence in Australia, including a 2006 paper that argued the decline in gun-related homicides after Port Arthur was simply a continuation of trends already under way. But that paper’s methodology has been discredited, which is not surprising when you consider that its authors were affiliated with pro-gun groups. Other reports from gun advocates have similarly cherry-picked anecdotal evidence or presented outright fabrications in attempting to make the case that Australia’s more-restrictive laws didn’t work. Those are effectively refuted by findings from peer-reviewed papers, which note that the rate of decrease in gun-related deaths more than doubled following the gun buyback, and that states with the highest buyback rates showed the steepest declines. A 2011 Harvard summary of the research concluded that, at the time the laws were passed in 1996, “it would have been difficult to imagine more compelling future evidence of a beneficial effect.”

Whether the same policies would work as well in the United States—or whether similar legislation would have any chance of being passed here in the first place—is an open question. Howard, the conservative leader behind the Australian reforms, wrote an op-ed in an Australian paper after visiting the United States in the wake of the Aurora shootings. He came away convinced that America needed to change its gun laws, but lamented its lack of will to do so.

There is more to this than merely the lobbying strength of the National Rifle Association and the proximity of the November presidential election. It is hard to believe that their reaction would have been any different if the murders in Aurora had taken place immediately after the election of either Obama or Romney. So deeply embedded is the gun culture of the US, that millions of law-abiding, Americans truly believe that it is safer to own a gun, based on the chilling logic that because there are so many guns in circulation, one's own weapon is needed for self-protection. To put it another way, the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back.

That’s certainly how things looked after the Aurora shooting. But after Sandy Hook, with the nation shocked and groping for answers once again, I wonder if Americans are still so sure that we have nothing to learn from Australia’s example.

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^^^^^ More Gun Nutter propaganda.

And you respond with More Anti-gun Nutter propaganda , yet your position is some how the ' correct one '  ::)












Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:15:45 PM
Malcolm X, The Ballot or The Bullet, 1964

Can you please be less cryptic and post your opinion clearly?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 01, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Atlanta sucks I lived there once.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
Can you please be less cryptic and post your opinion clearly?
he said it right there. If a man speaks (and acts) the language of violence, then you cannot speak (and act) the language of peace.

Speak their language---sometimes if a person escalates the situation or comes at you in a violent manner, you must as well up the ante.
It's not about being a gun nutter, or wrapping oneself up in the second admendment.
Our culture has been born of violence---George Washington wasn't leading a prayer session against the British, particularly when they started ish (Boston Massacre). Violence begets violence, and so that is our history...someone "spoke" (and acted) the language of violence and then we up the ante, then we put things in writing, then we had a huge issue during the Wild West, then we hundreds of yrs later have a problem due to eff ups in our society who believe the answer to every dispute is death by the gun. And therein lies the problem.

To continue this argument, is to continue to go in circles--just like the "God" threads, or the repubs vs dems, or Dorian vs Ronnie.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
he said it right there. If a man speaks (and acts) the language of violence, then you cannot speak (and act) the language of peace.

Speak their language---sometimes if a person escalates the situation or comes at you in a violent manner, you must as well up the ante.
It's not about being a gun nutter, or wrapping oneself up in the second admendment.
Our culture has been born of violence---George Washington wasn't leading a prayer session against the British, particularly when they started ish (Boston Massacre). Violence begets violence, and so that is our history...someone "spoke" (and acted) the language of violence and then we up the ante, then we put things in writing, then we had a huge issue during the Wild West, then we hundreds of yrs later have a problem due to eff ups in our society who believe the answer to every dispute is death by the gun. And therein lies the problem.

To continue this argument, is to continue to go in circles--just like the "God" threads, or the repubs vs dems, or Dorian vs Ronnie.



My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)

Also, Ronnie > Dorian, errybody knows


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)
It isn't right or wrong... it simply is.

We are a warrior society from the very beginning. It's deeply embedded in our culture. It's just the way it is. IMHO very similar to Sparta or Rome.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 04:42:07 PM
My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)
its bad...but, one could say the founding fathers were shown the language of violence...
13 little colonies were told, "either you do as I say, or we are going to come over their and eff you up! We will make you bend to our rules, and you will pay our taxes, no matter how high. You insolent little currs!"

You see what happens in effect is that it leads down a dark rabbit hole. Where only that one language is spoken, or only that voice is heard, or rather shouted.
Our society is out of balance, whether it be violence or other things. And that is where the focal point should be, the people, the eff ups, the thugs, the minions of wanton violence. Because if all they understand us violence, they in our society will be met with it. You take away their reasoning to use it, then you are effect helping to lower the problem.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Archer77 on February 01, 2013, 04:42:59 PM
My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)

All human civilizations are based in part on violence.  The strictly pacifist societies died off.  Europe can criticize the United States all it wants but it wasn't long ago that Europe was subjugating Africa and Asia by force and Germany was goose stepping across Europe.  Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
It isn't right or wrong... it simply is.

We are a warrior society from the very beginning. It's deeply embedded in our culture. It's just the way it is. IMHO, similar to Sparta.

So you think it literally cannot be changed?





Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 04:47:17 PM
So you think it literally cannot be changed?




I don't think it can be changed, no. At least, not in the way you are thinking. It permeates everything here, from the lowliest street thug to the very top of the corporate business' world. It's the kind of people that we are. One can simply look at our defense budget, and the fact that the vast majority of people support such ridiculous military spending to know this. (And this is coming from me, I am very pro-military, being a former Marine.)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
All human civilizations are based in part on violence.  The strictly pacifist societies died off.  Europe can criticize the United States all it wants but it wasn't long ago that Europe was subjugating Africa and Asia by force and Germany was goose stepping across Europe.  Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Archer77 on February 01, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.

What you can extrapolate from the history of the most violent cultures that have ever existedis that they can change.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 04:53:15 PM
Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.
So what if you think that violence has it's place, but that it's not ok for kids to be getting killed? I think, considering the percentage of kids that get killed in mass shootings (no where near even a percentage point), that it's a fucking stupid argument. Just my .02.

Everyone is acting like their kids can't go to school because they're going to get shot up by some crazy, when you're probably more likely to get struck by lighting while getting raped by an aids ridden black man than you are of knowing a kid that got shot in school.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
What you can extrapolate from the history of the most violent cultures that have ever existedis that they can change.

CAN or CAN´T?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 04:55:41 PM
CAN or CAN´T?
I think he's saying that they can, using Europe as an example. I don't know how good of an example Germany is, because they didn't change until they got their ass handed to them and were FORCED to change.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Archer77 on February 01, 2013, 04:56:02 PM
CAN or CAN´T?

Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 04:56:51 PM
Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.
Lol......


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:58:25 PM
So what if you think that violence has it's place, but that it's not ok for kids to be getting killed? I think, considering the percentage of kids that get killed in mass shootings (no where near even a percentage point), that it's a fucking stupid argument. Just my .02.

Everyone is acting like their kids can't go to school because they're going to get shot up by some crazy, when you're probably more likely to get struck by lighting while getting raped by an aids ridden black man than you are of knowing a kid that got shot in school.

Violence may have a place in terms of war, in terms of fighting for rights, rational violence (much like the Marxist war of the classes).  I can understand violence when it has a reason, a reason to fight for.  

Ive been very clear everytime I post that these IRRATIONAL SYSTEMATIC acts of violence obey to no logic, and thats what scary.  Now, if you dont consider them a potential threat, then this discussion between us is moot.  But, Ill state that IN MY CASE, I like living in this "shit hole" (coined by the lovely conehead resident fat powerlifter of the board) is good because this kind of irrational violence doesnt exist.  There, thats why I care and I like to debate this, so that maybe I can contribute to it not happenening here (that, and the fact that I like to argue).


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: The True Adonis on February 01, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
Do we agree that the US in terms of social security is fucked up? Yes, for now, self-defense or state of need is the only thing you can grab unto to defend you phallic toys.  Now, we all know NONE of you have ever mentioned any of those defenses in order to justify the possession of guns, you all have actually defended guns by the second ammendment and FREEDOMZZZ.

Hence, you are now in a disjunctive, either keep ramming with these fight fire with fire insanity and have more kids shot...or soak up some courage and (in a hypothetical case, where you had a decent government) change the second ammendment, initiate the confisctaion of all ilegal weapons (which of course will take time) and test all legitimate gun owners with harsh psychological tests, maybe even have rise the penalties for gun related homicides.

If you like the status quo right now, go ahead, keep fighting violence with more violence, keep the access to illegal weapons easy, its your kids who are getting shot, not mine.

If you dont like that REAL scenario, there is no other way around it buddy, someone has to start the change (no, this is not an Obama quote, I dont like him that much either).




I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  ???

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 04:59:22 PM
Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.

So wait, you are agreeing with me that violent societies can change? I think they can if they wanted to.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  ???

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."


I've never seen an officer arrive on scene in less than 30 minutes.. and that is in a small rural town where the station was right down the road and not much going on.

In Houston, the police literally wouldn't respond to a call unless someone was seriously injured or dead (this was told to me by a Houston officer).


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 05:01:42 PM
So you think it literally cannot be changed?




It can be modified, but as Shockwave pointed out, it will never go away.

And it won't happen overnight. And it won't happen in a Hope and Change way.
Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
A "civil society"...
Lol, The Egyptians thought themselves a "civil society", yet they enslaved the jews
The Romans thought themselves a "civil society" and they enslaved the Greeks, and others.

The Spanish thought themselves a "civil society", yet they subjugated the Mayan,Aztecs, and Incans, using "God" but it was for greed and gold.

Seemingly all "civil societies" tend to believe in violent behavior or actions, and only preach non-violent behavior to societies or cultures that either are their match ("there is no need to fight, we can work together") or to those that they have subjugated---because "how dare you practice violence upon us?"


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  ???

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."


I answered the question with the "state of necessity".  Now follow the rest of the post and give a mildly reasonable answer that isnt an ad baculum quote of some mildly relevant US politic of the revolution.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
So wait, you are agreeing with me that violent societies can change? I think they can if they wanted to.
Keywords - if they wanted to (or are forced to, i.e. post-WWII Germany/Japan).


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
It can be modified, but as Shockwave pointed out, it will never go away.

And it won't happen overnight. And it won't happen in a Hope and Change way. A "civil society"...
Lol, The Egyptians thought themselves a "civil society", yet they enslaved the jews
The Romans thought themselves a "civil society" and they enslaved the Greeks, and others.

The Spanish thought themselves a "civil society", yet they subjugated the Mayan,Aztecs, and Incans, using "God" but it was for greed and gold.

Seemingly all "civil societies" tend to believe in violent behavior or actions, and only preach non-violent behavior to societies or cultures that either are their match ("there is no need to fight, we can work together") or to those that they have subjugated---because "how dare you practice violence upon us?"

Civil in terms of civil law, not in terms of civilized.  A state of law society cannot allow for internal violence.

Again, I acknowledge its exists, but it has to be kept to the minimum necessary, keyword, necessary.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Parker on February 01, 2013, 05:04:30 PM
I think he's saying that they can, using Europe as an example. I don't know how good of an example Germany is, because they didn't change until they got their ass handed to them and were FORCED to change.
Sooo, basically the US needs a spanking (and sent to the corner) and forced to change?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
Keywords - if they wanted to (or are forced to, i.e. post-WWII Germany/Japan).

But again, theres tons of americant that want to actually change it...I think its more polarized than you think, or youre just reluctant to accept that people can change, and ideas do move the world.  Im not saying it would be fast, but still.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:06:41 PM
Sooo, basically the US needs a spanking (and sent to the corner) and forced to change?

No, if you have followed my posts Ive stated time and time again thats its you that will decide, nobody will for you, and then again, if you dont want to, its your children that are getting slaughtered, not mine.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 05:08:13 PM
So what if you think that violence has it's place, but that it's not ok for kids to be getting killed? I think, considering the percentage of kids that get killed in mass shootings (no where near even a percentage point), that it's a fucking stupid argument. Just my .02.

Everyone is acting like their kids can't go to school because they're going to get shot up by some crazy, when you're probably more likely to get struck by lighting while getting raped by an aids ridden black man than you are of knowing a kid that got shot in school.

Fifty-five million kids went to school on the day that 20 were massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Even in the United States, therefore, the chances of a child’s dying in a school shooting are remote. As my friend Steven Pinker demonstrates in his monumental study of human violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, our perception of danger is easily distorted by rare events. Is gun violence increasing in the United States? No. But it certainly seems to be when one recalls recent atrocities in Newtown and Aurora. In fact, the overall rate of violent crime has fallen by 22 percent in the past decade (and 18 percent in the past five years).

This describes the problem to a T



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:12:01 PM
Fifty-five million kids went to school on the day that 20 were massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Even in the United States, therefore, the chances of a child’s dying in a school shooting are remote. As my friend Steven Pinker demonstrates in his monumental study of human violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, our perception of danger is easily distorted by rare events. Is gun violence increasing in the United States? No. But it certainly seems to be when one recalls recent atrocities in Newtown and Aurora. In fact, the overall rate of violent crime has fallen by 22 percent in the past decade (and 18 percent in the past five years).

This describes the problem to a T



Violence as a whole? Good

Systematic Mass Murdering? Not quite, stop pretending.

Also, it feels so damn good to be talking about these issues through the interwebs and not having a single thread of fear of them happening, remote is more than too much of a chance when I think about it, but good for you that "violent" mass shooting is "remote" for you.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 05:19:59 PM
Violence as a whole? Good

Systematic Mass Murdering? Not quite, stop pretending.

Also, it feels so damn good to be talking about these issues through the interwebs and not having a single thread of fear of them happening, remote is more than too much of a chance when I think about it, but good for you that "violent" mass shooting is "remote" for you.

Whose pretending? You can't control these events , you can't stop them. Deranged people hell bent in killing large number of people CAN NOT be stopped because of the simple fact is no one knows where or when they will strike.

And NO violent mass shootings aren't remote for me , they are remote period. It's a fact regardless of you like it or not. Don't shoot the messenger , pun intended.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Metabolic on February 01, 2013, 05:24:31 PM
Whose pretending? You can't control these events , you can't stop them. Deranged people hell bent in killing large number of people CAN NOT be stopped because of the simple fact is no one knows where or when they will strike.

And NO violent mass shootings aren't remote for me , they are remote period. It's a fact regardless of you like it or not. Don't shoot the messenger , pun intended.

Lol yes you can, thats the whole point of social awareness, campaigns in school, at work, in TV, etc (think responsible sex campaings, anti-tabacco propaganda, dont drink and drive, etc).  In fact, thats the whole point of EDUCATION, now if youre THAT stubborn that you dont believe education can change the veiws of the people, well, then we are forever condemned to never change anything.  Also, thats the point of confiscation and strict laws, but Ive already posted this 1000 times in past posts which you of course didnt read.

Anyhow, Im out for today, had a good time, Ill try and continue this dialogue tomorrow.  So long, gentlemen.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 01, 2013, 05:32:29 PM
Lol yes you can, thats the whole point of social awareness, campaigns in school, at work, in TV, etc (think responsible sex campaings, anti-tabacco propaganda, dont drink and drive, etc).  In fact, thats the whole point of EDUCATION, now if youre THAT stubborn that you dont believe education can change the veiws of the people, well, then we are forever condemned to never change anything.  Also, thats the point of confiscation and strict laws, but Ive already posted this 1000 times in past posts which you of course didnt read.

Anyhow, Im out for today, had a good time, Ill try and continue this dialogue tomorrow.  So long, gentlemen.





Education can enlighten people , just not the ones intending to murder 20 six year olds and their ilk


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 06:19:59 PM
Ill state that IN MY CASE, I like living in this "shit hole"  is good because this kind of irrational violence doesnt exist.

I have absulutly zero fear of being shot, the chances are just too minute.  What I do fear though (and rightly so according to world history) is living in a society where the average man doesn't possess firearms.  Especially considering the United States is one of the last safe havens of gun ownership in the world.

Gun ownership is extremely high in my state, I believe we have the highest CCW in the US.  I don't know one person that's been shot ever. Do any American getbiggers personally know of an innocent person that's been killed by a gun?  I'd also bet that my state has a lower crime rate than yours.  Mass shootings are extremely concerning, but they certainly don't warrant taking away peoples essential rights.

It's ludicrous that you assume the United States is like the old west based on isolated incidences.  




Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Shockwave on February 01, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
Violence may have a place in terms of war, in terms of fighting for rights, rational violence (much like the Marxist war of the classes).  I can understand violence when it has a reason, a reason to fight for.  

Ive been very clear everytime I post that these IRRATIONAL SYSTEMATIC acts of violence obey to no logic, and thats what scary.  Now, if you dont consider them a potential threat, then this discussion between us is moot.  But, Ill state that IN MY CASE, I like living in this "shit hole" (coined by the lovely conehead resident fat powerlifter of the board) is good because this kind of irrational violence doesnt exist.  There, thats why I care and I like to debate this, so that maybe I can contribute to it not happenening here (that, and the fact that I like to argue).
Don't you live in Brazil?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
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When the Democratic Governor of Montana claims that any Federal government ban on the right to bear arms will not take hold in his State or when the Republican Governor of Texas says that there are sections of the Obamacare law that will not hit the ground in his State, they are not espousing a new, radical and revolutionary theory of American self-governance. They are speaking from an over 200 year history that traces its roots back to the Founding of our great nation and codified by the pens of none other than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. They are the kernels of the coming restoration of America.

 8)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Atlanta Middle School Shooting
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 01, 2013, 06:32:14 PM
Do we agree that the US in terms of social security is fucked up?

If you're referring to the fact that we're moving towards more socialistic policies aimed at redistribution of wealth, than yes... We do agree.

When legal immigration outnumbers so many other countries combined, it doesn't make very much sense to mimic the economic policies of the countries they're fleeing.