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« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2013, 05:15:45 PM »

Malcolm X, The Ballot or The Bullet, 1964

Can you please be less cryptic and post your opinion clearly?
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« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2013, 05:21:56 PM »

Atlanta sucks I lived there once.
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« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2013, 05:27:33 PM »

Can you please be less cryptic and post your opinion clearly?
he said it right there. If a man speaks (and acts) the language of violence, then you cannot speak (and act) the language of peace.

Speak their language---sometimes if a person escalates the situation or comes at you in a violent manner, you must as well up the ante.
It's not about being a gun nutter, or wrapping oneself up in the second admendment.
Our culture has been born of violence---George Washington wasn't leading a prayer session against the British, particularly when they started ish (Boston Massacre). Violence begets violence, and so that is our history...someone "spoke" (and acted) the language of violence and then we up the ante, then we put things in writing, then we had a huge issue during the Wild West, then we hundreds of yrs later have a problem due to eff ups in our society who believe the answer to every dispute is death by the gun. And therein lies the problem.

To continue this argument, is to continue to go in circles--just like the "God" threads, or the repubs vs dems, or Dorian vs Ronnie.

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« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2013, 05:30:19 PM »

he said it right there. If a man speaks (and acts) the language of violence, then you cannot speak (and act) the language of peace.

Speak their language---sometimes if a person escalates the situation or comes at you in a violent manner, you must as well up the ante.
It's not about being a gun nutter, or wrapping oneself up in the second admendment.
Our culture has been born of violence---George Washington wasn't leading a prayer session against the British, particularly when they started ish (Boston Massacre). Violence begets violence, and so that is our history...someone "spoke" (and acted) the language of violence and then we up the ante, then we put things in writing, then we had a huge issue during the Wild West, then we hundreds of yrs later have a problem due to eff ups in our society who believe the answer to every dispute is death by the gun. And therein lies the problem.

To continue this argument, is to continue to go in circles--just like the "God" threads, or the repubs vs dems, or Dorian vs Ronnie.



My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)

Also, Ronnie > Dorian, errybody knows
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« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2013, 05:38:24 PM »

My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)
It isn't right or wrong... it simply is.

We are a warrior society from the very beginning. It's deeply embedded in our culture. It's just the way it is. IMHO very similar to Sparta or Rome.
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« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2013, 05:42:07 PM »

My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)
its bad...but, one could say the founding fathers were shown the language of violence...
13 little colonies were told, "either you do as I say, or we are going to come over their and eff you up! We will make you bend to our rules, and you will pay our taxes, no matter how high. You insolent little currs!"

You see what happens in effect is that it leads down a dark rabbit hole. Where only that one language is spoken, or only that voice is heard, or rather shouted.
Our society is out of balance, whether it be violence or other things. And that is where the focal point should be, the people, the eff ups, the thugs, the minions of wanton violence. Because if all they understand us violence, they in our society will be met with it. You take away their reasoning to use it, then you are effect helping to lower the problem.
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« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2013, 05:42:59 PM »

My question is: In your opinion is that a good or a bad thing? (That your society is based on the language of violence)

All human civilizations are based in part on violence.  The strictly pacifist societies died off.  Europe can criticize the United States all it wants but it wasn't long ago that Europe was subjugating Africa and Asia by force and Germany was goose stepping across Europe.  Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2013, 05:44:09 PM »

It isn't right or wrong... it simply is.

We are a warrior society from the very beginning. It's deeply embedded in our culture. It's just the way it is. IMHO, similar to Sparta.

So you think it literally cannot be changed?



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« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2013, 05:47:17 PM »

So you think it literally cannot be changed?




I don't think it can be changed, no. At least, not in the way you are thinking. It permeates everything here, from the lowliest street thug to the very top of the corporate business' world. It's the kind of people that we are. One can simply look at our defense budget, and the fact that the vast majority of people support such ridiculous military spending to know this. (And this is coming from me, I am very pro-military, being a former Marine.)
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« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2013, 05:49:52 PM »

All human civilizations are based in part on violence.  The strictly pacifist societies died off.  Europe can criticize the United States all it wants but it wasn't long ago that Europe was subjugating Africa and Asia by force and Germany was goose stepping across Europe.  Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.
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« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2013, 05:52:47 PM »

Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.

What you can extrapolate from the history of the most violent cultures that have ever existedis that they can change.
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« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2013, 05:53:15 PM »

Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
And yes, I do think war/violence has a place in humanity, I also think that theres some sort of contradiction in the idea that "in order to fight violence we need more violence".  if you think violence is itself good, then go ahead, I ultimately have nothing to say, but if you think that kids getting shot in schools is not good, then its time to rethink something.
So what if you think that violence has it's place, but that it's not ok for kids to be getting killed? I think, considering the percentage of kids that get killed in mass shootings (no where near even a percentage point), that it's a fucking stupid argument. Just my .02.

Everyone is acting like their kids can't go to school because they're going to get shot up by some crazy, when you're probably more likely to get struck by lighting while getting raped by an aids ridden black man than you are of knowing a kid that got shot in school.
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« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2013, 05:54:13 PM »

What you can extrapolate from the history of the most violent cultures that have ever existedis that they can change.

CAN or CANīT?
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« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2013, 05:55:41 PM »

CAN or CANīT?
I think he's saying that they can, using Europe as an example. I don't know how good of an example Germany is, because they didn't change until they got their ass handed to them and were FORCED to change.
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« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2013, 05:56:02 PM »

CAN or CANīT?

Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.
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« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2013, 05:56:51 PM »

Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.
Lol......
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« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2013, 05:58:25 PM »

So what if you think that violence has it's place, but that it's not ok for kids to be getting killed? I think, considering the percentage of kids that get killed in mass shootings (no where near even a percentage point), that it's a fucking stupid argument. Just my .02.

Everyone is acting like their kids can't go to school because they're going to get shot up by some crazy, when you're probably more likely to get struck by lighting while getting raped by an aids ridden black man than you are of knowing a kid that got shot in school.

Violence may have a place in terms of war, in terms of fighting for rights, rational violence (much like the Marxist war of the classes).  I can understand violence when it has a reason, a reason to fight for.  

Ive been very clear everytime I post that these IRRATIONAL SYSTEMATIC acts of violence obey to no logic, and thats what scary.  Now, if you dont consider them a potential threat, then this discussion between us is moot.  But, Ill state that IN MY CASE, I like living in this "shit hole" (coined by the lovely conehead resident fat powerlifter of the board) is good because this kind of irrational violence doesnt exist.  There, thats why I care and I like to debate this, so that maybe I can contribute to it not happenening here (that, and the fact that I like to argue).
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« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2013, 05:58:29 PM »

Do we agree that the US in terms of social security is fucked up? Yes, for now, self-defense or state of need is the only thing you can grab unto to defend you phallic toys.  Now, we all know NONE of you have ever mentioned any of those defenses in order to justify the possession of guns, you all have actually defended guns by the second ammendment and FREEDOMZZZ.

Hence, you are now in a disjunctive, either keep ramming with these fight fire with fire insanity and have more kids shot...or soak up some courage and (in a hypothetical case, where you had a decent government) change the second ammendment, initiate the confisctaion of all ilegal weapons (which of course will take time) and test all legitimate gun owners with harsh psychological tests, maybe even have rise the penalties for gun related homicides.

If you like the status quo right now, go ahead, keep fighting violence with more violence, keep the access to illegal weapons easy, its your kids who are getting shot, not mine.

If you dont like that REAL scenario, there is no other way around it buddy, someone has to start the change (no, this is not an Obama quote, I dont like him that much either).




I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  Huh

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."

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« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2013, 05:59:22 PM »

Can.  Vikings warriors turned into socialist.

So wait, you are agreeing with me that violent societies can change? I think they can if they wanted to.
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« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2013, 06:00:41 PM »

I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  Huh

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."


I've never seen an officer arrive on scene in less than 30 minutes.. and that is in a small rural town where the station was right down the road and not much going on.

In Houston, the police literally wouldn't respond to a call unless someone was seriously injured or dead (this was told to me by a Houston officer).
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« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2013, 06:01:42 PM »

So you think it literally cannot be changed?




It can be modified, but as Shockwave pointed out, it will never go away.

And it won't happen overnight. And it won't happen in a Hope and Change way.
Cool story, bro, but Im not european, nor do I think I will ultimately convince you that violence is not the right way to this problems in a civil society.    
A "civil society"...
Lol, The Egyptians thought themselves a "civil society", yet they enslaved the jews
The Romans thought themselves a "civil society" and they enslaved the Greeks, and others.

The Spanish thought themselves a "civil society", yet they subjugated the Mayan,Aztecs, and Incans, using "God" but it was for greed and gold.

Seemingly all "civil societies" tend to believe in violent behavior or actions, and only preach non-violent behavior to societies or cultures that either are their match ("there is no need to fight, we can work together") or to those that they have subjugated---because "how dare you practice violence upon us?"
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« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »

I asked a simple fucking question and this is the answer I get?  Huh

Again, "What if the nearest law enforcement officer is 20 miles away, somewhere on the other side of the county?  This is a reality MANY in the United States face.  The majority of the United States is rural you know."


I answered the question with the "state of necessity".  Now follow the rest of the post and give a mildly reasonable answer that isnt an ad baculum quote of some mildly relevant US politic of the revolution.
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« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2013, 06:02:17 PM »

So wait, you are agreeing with me that violent societies can change? I think they can if they wanted to.
Keywords - if they wanted to (or are forced to, i.e. post-WWII Germany/Japan).
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« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2013, 06:03:10 PM »

It can be modified, but as Shockwave pointed out, it will never go away.

And it won't happen overnight. And it won't happen in a Hope and Change way. A "civil society"...
Lol, The Egyptians thought themselves a "civil society", yet they enslaved the jews
The Romans thought themselves a "civil society" and they enslaved the Greeks, and others.

The Spanish thought themselves a "civil society", yet they subjugated the Mayan,Aztecs, and Incans, using "God" but it was for greed and gold.

Seemingly all "civil societies" tend to believe in violent behavior or actions, and only preach non-violent behavior to societies or cultures that either are their match ("there is no need to fight, we can work together") or to those that they have subjugated---because "how dare you practice violence upon us?"

Civil in terms of civil law, not in terms of civilized.  A state of law society cannot allow for internal violence.

Again, I acknowledge its exists, but it has to be kept to the minimum necessary, keyword, necessary.
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« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2013, 06:04:30 PM »

I think he's saying that they can, using Europe as an example. I don't know how good of an example Germany is, because they didn't change until they got their ass handed to them and were FORCED to change.
Sooo, basically the US needs a spanking (and sent to the corner) and forced to change?
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