Troponin deadlifting 635 for 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[natural al]

Anyone know where this Troponin dude works out? I think he works out by me.

he works out in Clinton Township at the powerhouse on 16 and gratiot.

[Blockhead]

 Justin Harris is no doubt as strong as they come...my question is does that freaky strength come from the DC style of training as if DC, over time, makes your body stronger and stronger over time vs 'traditional' type of training? I'd imagine that naturally Justin Harris as a person outside of that kind of training is just a strong mthrfkr PEROID.

 Steve K is another DC'er and is also known for inhuman strength. Is he another just genetically strong kid or is it the training? I guess my question is...how much of an influence does DC have on brutish strength and what can most people expect to gain strength-wise with DC?

[DOGGCRAPP]

In no way would I ever be selfish enough to say Justin Harris or Steve Kuclo are where they are with my help.....they have done everything 100% themselves and they and they alone created that strength/physique.

The sad thing is I could answer the incline bench press question on Trop but I think he would like me to leave a little bit of mystery in all this for the future. (ill say this: Its way up there in a ChrisCormieresque kind of way!)

[natural al]

Justin Harris is no doubt as strong as they come...my question is does that freaky strength come from the DC style of training as if DC, over time, makes your body stronger and stronger over time vs 'traditional' type of training? I'd imagine that naturally Justin Harris as a person outside of that kind of training is just a strong mthrfkr PEROID.

 Steve K is another DC'er and is also known for inhuman strength. Is he another just genetically strong kid or is it the training? I guess my question is...how much of an influence does DC have on brutish strength and what can most people expect to gain strength-wise with DC?

I know a lot of guys dog dc but in all honesty of you can't get stronger with this type of system and a little common sense you're never gonna get stronger.  You constantly push you're poundage or rep "goals" up each workout, you never really stagnate cause if you do you drop that movement and rotate in a new one.  I've moved some pretty big poundages since starting and everyone who knows me knows that I've not been able to train how I would like to for the last 2.5 years due to all the personal shit I've had to deal with.

[legbreaker]

Justin Harris is no doubt as strong as they come...my question is does that freaky strength come from the DC style of training as if DC, over time, makes your body stronger and stronger over time vs 'traditional' type of training? I'd imagine that naturally Justin Harris as a person outside of that kind of training is just a strong mthrfkr PEROID.

 Steve K is another DC'er and is also known for inhuman strength. Is he another just genetically strong kid or is it the training? I guess my question is...how much of an influence does DC have on brutish strength and what can most people expect to gain strength-wise with DC?

I don't know alot about this program, however, any structured, progressive lifting program with basic compound exercises will make you stronger...look at the great powerlifters and it all goes back to the basics, progressive resistance.  With that said, does this approach make for a better bodybuilder, in my opinion based on over 25 years training and 22 years competing, no.  Of course I think everyone should include basic exercises into their training, incorporate different technques such as rest pause and streching (which have both been corner stones of bodybuilding training programs forever), but the approach of challenging the log book ( not sure exact phrase they use) is not a good one for bodybuilding.  Will some people be successful with it?  Of course, but remember their are bdybuilders, especially today with chemical warfare, that are extremely successfull with a program that has no structure, includes limited food and lots of protein drinks, involves partying, and machines with realtively easy reps are the corner stone of their training.  Wth the drugs today ANYONE can build muscle!!!  100% I mean any healthy person can build significant amounts of muscle...is it good quality, striated, dense muscle?  not usually, but tell Paul Dilett that, haha.  

Back to your question yes anyone can gain strength with a progressive resistance program..obviously not everyone will end up as strong with these lifts as these two but they should and will get stronger.  I trained for years in the same gym as Chris Confesore (bench press record holder in many class'), he has a book on weight training.  Will you get stronger using it?  Of course, if your healthy, but you probably won't become a record holder.  

[Blockhead]

 I know what its like to have personal drama...it's like a cancer that infests your thoughts and the ability to get a quality growth producing workout is next to impossible. Usually the culprit are WOMEN.

 Check it out, natural al...last week I trained delts with a MAYHEMer (E.C. Illa) and he does DC and I agreed to train delts "his way" so we started off with smith machine shoulder pressing...this is what I did.

 1 plate a side...12 reps(warmup) 1 plate a side...5 reps (warmup)

  1 plate and 25 a side...8 reps, 2 plates a side...5 reps 2 plates and 25 a side...6 hard reps...focusing on the negative with him giving me 3 forced reps so I finished with 9...racked the weight took 15 breaths and he added a 5 on each end so I did 3 more...racked it...15 breathes he added another 5 on each end I barely got 3 as he had his hands on my elbows giving me a little nudge.

 I racked it and he stripped off some weight so it was a plate, a quater and a 5 on each end and he let me rest for 90 seconds then he made me do that for 20 reps. I gotta say...after rep 14 I couldnt hear the music in the backround anymore and I wanted to quit after rep 17 but he pushed me until I got 20. I was wrecked.

 I wanted to do laterals afterwards but he wouldnt let me eplaing to me to keep the faith as I did more than enough. I'll admit...I usually never ever get sore in my shoulders but the next day I felt like I had bad sunburn all over my torso, my LATS, triceps, abs, neck and delts.

[legbreaker]

In no way would I ever be selfish enough to say Justin Harris or Steve Kuclo are where they are with my help.....they have done everything 100% themselves and they and they alone created that strength/physique.

The sad thing is I could answer the incline bench press question on Trop but I think he would like me to leave a little bit of mystery in all this for the future. (ill say this: Its way up there in a ChrisCormieresque kind of way!)

Dog crapp, why is that a sad thing?  It's really no big deal, it's a guy with a incline press video and others speculating on what he can bench...happens all the time.  Do you think, from that video not months later, that Troponin could get more than say 14-15 reps with the 315?  maybe now he can but in that video I would say it would have been right about 14 or so.  That's obviously very good, but usually that would correlate with a mid 4's bench.  If you were to guess, where would you place a bench press if a guy could get 315/incline for 12-14 reps?

[Blockhead]

 Cormier is a really strong PRESSER. He has a really good incline press, I believe. Some people are stronger on the incline press than flat presses. I dont think there's a secret to Justin pressing that 12 times...dude is just a fkn strong raging bull...bottom line.

 I wouldnt ever put Justin Harris and Cormier in the same sentence. I reckon that if Cormier trained with 1/8th the focus and intensity of Justin he'd be a 3 time ASC winner...instead of being distracted by 'drama'.

 I'm fascinated by DC training but I also know it probably doesnt work for everyone and there is more than one way to skin a cat. Like legbreaker said...tell Paul Dillet all of this. He's as big as they get and it was rumored he trained light and trained with half a heart and only one ball.

[Fury]

probably what they mean is they are doing a more advanced split.  the normal split is:

chest, shoulders, tris, back width and back thickness for workout 1

bi's, forearms, calfs, hams and quads for workout 2

this is usually called a "two way split" by guys who use DC.  there is a "3 way split" that's set up a little different and that's probably what they are doing.  I'll get into the specifics of the 3 way if you want via PM. 

I trained using DC style principles for a while so that's what I was thinking. I was wondering why they were using the clean and presses seeing as most people seem to be against it.

[MoralMan]

Dear Friends
Kind regards

Ronnie Coleman deadlifts over 800lbs

Yours thankfully
John

[body88]

Dear Friends
Kind regards

Ronnie Coleman deadlifts over 800lbs

Yours thankfully
John

Dear John

Ronnie Coleman does that 800 lb dead with straps, a ton of drugs and weighs close to 300 lbs. There are many powerlifters who have much more impressive lifts than that one. Without straps and a suit. While impressive Ronnies lifts are not the strongest out there. Also, your post written to look like a letter was being done on here 4 years ago. Maybe a new, up to date method of posting can help you on your quest to sound funny.


You friend forever

Body88

[The Squadfather]

Dog crapp, why is that a sad thing?  It's really no big deal, it's a guy with a incline press video and others speculating on what he can bench...happens all the time.  Do you think, from that video not months later, that Troponin could get more than say 14-15 reps with the 315?  maybe now he can but in that video I would say it would have been right about 14 or so.  That's obviously very good, but usually that would correlate with a mid 4's bench.  If you were to guess, where would you place a bench press if a guy could get 315/incline for 12-14 reps?

i had a training partner who could do 10 reps with 315 on a high incline and 20 reps with 315 on the flat bench and his max single on flat bench was exactly 500.

[natural al]

I trained using DC style principles for a while so that's what I was thinking. I was wondering why they were using the clean and presses seeing as most people seem to be against it.

I used the clean and press earlier this year for a couple of months but my low back is trashed from working in a shop for 10 years so it didn't handle that movement real well.  I worked up to some "decent" poundages in the time I used them, considering I started at never doing them before. 

I've heard of people working some things into thier dc routines that I would never even consider but if they can make it work then go with it.

[davidpaul]

you guys are talking utter shit, if you wanna see how a real bodybuilder trains for mass and extreme size,

I reccomend you watch shari kamalis training video,

he squats and deadlifts over 800 pounds for reps.

[natural al]

you guys are talking utter shit, if you wanna see how a real bodybuilder trains for mass and extreme size,

I reccomend you watch shari kamalis training video,

he squats and deadlifts over 800 pounds for reps.

yeah but he's got 8 dudes there to help him...er....spot him and his reps are so full range of motion..wow, that's a strong dude.

[slaveboy1980]

strong lift

[natural al]

I don't know if that was posted before here but it's another damn impressive lift.

[davidpaul]

yeah but he's got 8 dudes there to help him...er....spot him and his reps are so full range of motion..wow, that's a strong dude.

Bro, theres a kid who trains with him itnthe video, that is actually physically sick from the intenesity,

I am actually of the opinion that shari could have set world powerlifting records and won WSM if he hadnt taken up the extreme sport of bodybuilding.

[slaveboy1980]

yeah kamali could have been a fatty boy 365days of the year then as opposed to 361

[natural al]

Bro, theres a kid who trains with him itnthe video, that is actually physically sick from the intenesity,

I am actually of the opinion that shari could have set world powerlifting records and won WSM if he hadnt taken up the extreme sport of bodybuilding.

I'm not saying he doesn't work "hard" I'm saying he doesn't work "smart"

take 100lbs off some of those movements and at least try to do some full reps, or something.

[troponin]

DC is a lot of fun, and very intense.  
It's like anything though, you get what you put into it.  

The hardest part of DC is that you have to be motivated to go all out every single time you go to the gym.  You only really get one chance to "grow."  You get your set, and that's pretty much it, so you have to be ready to put a whole workout into that set.  

For me, the part I enjoy most about training is the progress.  I never began lifting to be a bodybuilder, it was the furthest from my mind.  I wanted to get bigger and stronger for sports.  And for the first 8 years or so of my lifting, that was the main goal.  

So, I still enjoy seeing progress and improvements in strength more than improvements in physique, even though I compete in bodybuilding competitions.  

As for DC training, it has really brought up my strength in some movements.  Chest strength has been the biggest improvement.  
I was stuck at around 315lbs for 8 reps for a few years.  My chest is a weak point on my physique, and I had been trying many things to bring it up.  My last DC workout before my most recent "cruise," was incline bench.  I did 355lbs for 10/4/3 in a rest pause fashion.  So, I've jumped up around 50lbs in that movement in the past year, which has been great.  Hopefully it will correspond to new chest size the next time I compete.  

[natural al]

DC is a lot of fun, and very intense.  
It's like anything though, you get what you put into it.  

The hardest part of DC is that you have to be motivated to go all out every single time you go to the gym.  You only really get one chance to "grow."  You get your set, and that's pretty much it, so you have to be ready to put a whole workout into that set.  

For me, the part I enjoy most about training is the progress.  I never began lifting to be a bodybuilder, it was the furthest from my mind.  I wanted to get bigger and stronger for sports.  And for the first 8 years or so of my lifting, that was the main goal.  

So, I still enjoy seeing progress and improvements in strength more than improvements in physique, even though I compete in bodybuilding competitions.  

As for DC training, it has really brought up my strength in some movements.  Chest strength has been the biggest improvement.  
I was stuck at around 315lbs for 8 reps for a few years.  My chest is a weak point on my physique, and I had been trying many things to bring it up.  My last DC workout before my most recent "cruise," was incline bench.  I did 355lbs for 10/4/3 in a rest pause fashion.  So, I've jumped up around 50lbs in that movement in the past year, which has been great.  Hopefully it will correspond to new chest size the next time I compete.  

Troop, lots of guys are asking why you guys chose the clean and press as part of your rotation and how it worked for you.

speak on this if you can.

[The Squadfather]

DC is a lot of fun, and very intense.  
It's like anything though, you get what you put into it.  

The hardest part of DC is that you have to be motivated to go all out every single time you go to the gym.  You only really get one chance to "grow."  You get your set, and that's pretty much it, so you have to be ready to put a whole workout into that set.  

For me, the part I enjoy most about training is the progress.  I never began lifting to be a bodybuilder, it was the furthest from my mind.  I wanted to get bigger and stronger for sports.  And for the first 8 years or so of my lifting, that was the main goal.  

So, I still enjoy seeing progress and improvements in strength more than improvements in physique, even though I compete in bodybuilding competitions.  

As for DC training, it has really brought up my strength in some movements.  Chest strength has been the biggest improvement.  
I was stuck at around 315lbs for 8 reps for a few years.  My chest is a weak point on my physique, and I had been trying many things to bring it up.  My last DC workout before my most recent "cruise," was incline bench.  I did 355lbs for 10/4/3 in a rest pause fashion.  So, I've jumped up around 50lbs in that movement in the past year, which has been great.  Hopefully it will correspond to new chest size the next time I compete.  

that's damn good weight.

[troponin]

Troop, lots of guys are asking why you guys chose the clean and press as part of your rotation and how it worked for you.

speak on this if you can.

We were starting a new rotation, and needed a shoulder movement.  It just seemed like a difficult movement.  We really didn't put any thought into it. lol

[natural al]

We were starting a new rotation, and needed a shoulder movement.  It just seemed like a difficult movement.  We really didn't put any thought into it. lol

how'd it work out for ya?  I tried it but my low back couldn't handle it so I dropped it kinda quickly.