Funny thing about our enemies...

[a_joker10]

I just wish all countries would be soo economically interwoven that war would be impractical.

I agree, rich countries tend not to go to war because it is not in their best interest.

I personally feel that the WTO and free trade based on a democratic government and human rights is the only way to help to get the poor employed.

[240 is Back]

Alternative energy is all well and fine, but the amount of capital required to make any substantial gains is very limiting.
I suggest you read some policy papers on Alternative energy and not from sites like freeenergy.org or whatever.
It would really open your eyes to how tied to oil we really are.

If we have 400 billion to war with iraq, just for a chance at managing their oil, then we have $ to look at just how Brazil can now close their borders and never need oil again.

If they can do it, so can we.

Won't be easy, but if we do it, we will grow greatly as the middle eastern nations will slip further down thanks to the pool of gold under them suddenly becoming worthless.

[240 is Back]

I agree, rich countries tend not to go to war because it is not in their best interest.

Disagree.

Rich countries tend to use war to become richer.

They are the market leader on wealth.  If they don't work for a 100% market share, they won't maintain the share they already have.  The US is the only remaining superpower.  We're entering our 3rd war.

[a_joker10]

If we have 400 billion to war with iraq, just for a chance at managing their oil, then we have $ to look at just how Brazil can now close their borders and never need oil again.

If they can do it, so can we.

Won't be easy, but if we do it, we will grow greatly as the middle eastern nations will slip further down thanks to the pool of gold under them suddenly becoming worthless.

America is moving in that direction.
The biggest way Brazil moved away from oil is through a real commitment to Ethanol and Biodiesel.

Ethanol is cheap in Brazil because of sugar cane and forcing manufactures to build cars that run on ethanol and Biodiesel.
Once a real infrastructure for Biofuels is established in the US, you will see a drop in fuel prices. Unless the Farmers lobby gets in the way.

[Hugo Chavez]

IT is better that America and the West to influence other nations then it is that China or other dictatorships influence them.

That flawed logic will be what gets us all dead.  That logic got us Korea and Vietnam.  If a country is doing that such a China or Russia you deal with them directly over it... You're solution amounts to conquer the world.  Some of these Nations just want to stop being used like pigs and tossed scraps for their service.  America was simple not created to rule the world and dominate everyone's lives globally... Take your Canadian opinion of what we're suppose to be doing and have your own government do if it's so important to you, I guarantee you're in the minortiy in Canada with this thinking.  No Imperialism is good, you can't reason that is ok for one to do it but not another.  If all countires bound together in an effort to long allow it, these guys just might have a chance at controlling their own destiny and isn't that what we deny and isn't that what we all deserve as sovereign countries, to control our own destiny.

[BRUCE]

Disagree.

Rich countries tend to use war to become richer.

They are the market leader on wealth.  If they don't work for a 100% market share, they won't maintain the share they already have.  The US is the only remaining superpower.  We're entering our 3rd war.

Whoops, there goes the paranoia again.  Please notify me of the last two democracies to go to war with one another and in turn the last democratic nation to turn a profit from going to war.  Also, considering Iran's oil reserves are far greater than Iraq's, please explain our reluctance to rape and pillage their oil rather than Iraq's?  On top of this, after the '$400 bn' you have mentioned it cost the US to go to war, why then - if we are so evil - did we not just buy (which was easily possible) the dirt-cheap oil off a Saddam that was never a threat to us in the first place?

[OzmO]

Disagree.

Rich countries tend to use war to become richer.

They are the market leader on wealth.  If they don't work for a 100% market share, they won't maintain the share they already have.  The US is the only remaining superpower.  We're entering our 3rd war.

They don;t to war with each other they repress third world countries economically.  When the thrid world country gets out of linewith say a revolution, then they go to war in one form or another 

[BRUCE]

They don;t to war with each other they repress third world countries economically.  When the thrid world country gets out of linewith say a revolution, then they go to war in one form or another 

Thus the billions of dollars in aid given to these third world countries you mention 

[OzmO]

Thus the billions of dollars in aid given to these third world countries you mention 

Yep and our comapnies make even more on profiting from their resources.

Example:  labor costs

[BRUCE]

Yep and our comapnies make even more on profiting from their resources.

Example:  labor costs

You'll, of course, direct me to one of these companies profiting evilly from third world nations - and then prove this profit far outstips the billions in aid.

[240 is Back]

Whoops, there goes the paranoia again.  Please notify me of the last two democracies to go to war with one another and in turn the last democratic nation to turn a profit from going to war.  Also, considering Iran's oil reserves are far greater than Iraq's, please explain our reluctance to rape and pillage their oil rather than Iraq's?  On top of this, after the '$400 bn' you have mentioned it cost the US to go to war, why then - if we are so evil - did we not just buy (which was easily possible) the dirt-cheap oil off a Saddam that was never a threat to us in the first place?

are you seriously saying that large corporations are not profiting from this war, bruce?

there is no reluctance to bomb iran - we're dying to.  we just don't have a reason yet. that's why they were 3rd.

[BRUCE]

are you seriously saying that large corporations are not profiting from this war, bruce?

there is no reluctance to bomb iran - we're dying to.  we just don't have a reason yet. that's why they were 3rd.

We don't have a reason? Try their predisposition to creating nuclear arms, try their threats against our ally, Israel - you will surely say whatever we do has sinister motivations, I don't see things so simplistically.

As for 'large corporations' profiting from the war, tell me which and why, and I will address this comment.

[240 is Back]

as for 'large corporations' profiting from the war, tell me which and why, and I will address this comment.

This is elementary shit here, dude.  Wiki is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_contractor

and more importantly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

[BRUCE]

This is elementary shit here, dude.  Wiki is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_contractor

and more importantly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

Ahh I see, so companies employed to rebuild Iraq are now evilly profiteering from war? Strange perspective.

[240 is Back]

Ahh I see, so companies employed to rebuild Iraq are now evilly profiteering from war? Strange perspective.

No, it's not strange.  it happens with every war.  haliburton has been busted for fraud in this iraqi war.

Weird that you seem to be overcompensating with neocon hate.  Most far right people here are civil and think things through.  Seems like you just blindly defend what you don't understand here.

[BRUCE]

No, it's not strange.  it happens with every war.  haliburton has been busted for fraud in this iraqi war.

Weird that you seem to be overcompensating with neocon hate.  Most far right people here are civil and think things through.  Seems like you just blindly defend what you don't understand here.

Okay, thanks for confirming with me you don't believe that all corporations are evilly profiteering, I appreciate your moderation on this issue.  I'm actually not 'far right' as you incorrectly point out, Rob, I in fact am an Agnostic, and by definition cannot therefore be of the right.  I'll expect your apolgies for labelling me as such 

You then accuse me of blind defence, if this is true, you should have no problem debunking me.  The fact you would attack my personality rather than my argument suggests you have trouble doing this.

[Dos Equis]

Okay, thanks for confirming with me you don't believe that all corporations are evilly profiteering, I appreciate your moderation on this issue.  I'm actually not 'far right' as you incorrectly point out, Rob, I in fact am an Agnostic, and by definition cannot therefore be of the right.  I'll expect your apolgies for labelling me as such 

You then accuse me of blind defence, if this is true, you should have no problem debunking me.  The fact you would attack my personality rather than my argument suggests you have trouble doing this.

lol.  You don't hang around this board much do you?     Not uncommon at all.  If you keep posting here you'll not only be labeled a "necon" (whatever that means), you'll be someone who only gets his information from Fox News; nothing but a Bush crony.   

[BRUCE]

lol.  You don't hang around this board much do you?     Not uncommon at all.  If you keep posting here you'll not only be labeled a "necon" (whatever that means), you'll be someone who only gets his information from Fox News; nothing but a Bush crony.   

Haha yes, we know the left finds it far easier to argue with name-calling and abuse rather than sound logic and facts.

[headhuntersix]

240 u have finally lost it. Its the "can't we all get long idea" that causes all the problems in the first place. These people are bad folks plain and simple. You have to get past this one big happy family mentality. Its us against them. None of these people u feel so sorry for would allow u to come on an internet board and spew the crap that u do...they'd find ur IP and come visit u in the middle of the night. You guys all bitch how bad we are but besides vactions how many of you have spent time outside the US. Most of the rest of the world is a dangerous shithole... These people all hate us because we have our shit togther and can crush anybody that comes along. They hated us long before 911. Who's they..anybody not us..brown/yellow/muslim..doesn't matter..I lov American and am sick of the ignorance. Stop with the Fox News crap...CNN is so far the other way but I never use that excuse. As far as evil corporations..there are plenty of socialist countries that u could move to. U could move to Germany and pay 4 bucks per gallon for gas. Or Sweden where the taxes are ridiculous.....These companies keep us going.....they cure us..entertain us....feed us. Get over it.

[240 is Back]

i don't believe we can all get along.

I believe treaties, sanctions, agreements, etc can be used to prevent war.

War shouldn't be the first option anymore.

[RUDE BUOY]

i don't believe we can all get along.

I believe treaties, sanctions, agreements, etc can be used to prevent war.

War shouldn't be the first option anymore.

bush is using war as a first and only option now a days and anyone who disagrees is seriously living in denial

[headhuntersix]

Not everybody plays ball..there is to much money involved. War sucks, I agree, but I would support smoking Chavez or conducting the proxy wars like we did in South American from the 1950s on.

[RUDE BUOY]

Not everybody plays ball..there is to much money involved. War sucks, I agree, but I would support smoking Chavez or conducting the proxy wars like we did in South American from the 1950s on.

but why worry about Chavez when the Koreans are crazy as fuck and have nukes

[headhuntersix]

I agree..but he has nukes(maybe) and he can b contained. Chavez has a ton of Cash and he's in what we consider our own back yard.

[RUDE BUOY]

I agree..but he has nukes(maybe) and he can b contained. Chavez has a ton of Cash and he's in what we consider our own back yard.

i think the north Koreans are the ones we should be shitten about not some Muslims who have to hide in caves or a Venezuelan dictator who is loved by his people and slams the states to get re-elected